When did Pokemon lose its soul?
gen 6 is when it lost everything
The real answer is Gen 3The answer you want to hear is whatever game came out when you became an adult
>>743782795gen 3 was the last time genuine effort and fear was held by the dev teamonce it still succeeded they realized that they could just shovel out shit and people would still buy itgen 4 was when the franchise became the lame memberberry slop it is now, and gen 6 was the kiss of a slow agonizing death
People like to say "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D", but no franchise has suffered a rougher transition than Pokemon.A static 2d action pose will always be better than a cheap 3d model that stands there like a shy teenager with their hands in their pockets, but for some reason game freak have latched on to the idea that we need to use the same shitty 3d models from the 3ds days.Also cries. Modern Pokemon cries are all so indistinct, or just an animal noise. I swear every new dog pokemon is just a bark, no editing, just woof. I couldn't name a single nu-pokemon cry, but could probably name everything from gens 1-4.And to top it off, they can't design anything cool anymore. Pic related
>>743782795Gen 4 actually because the devs hated working on it and all previous titles. The devs had fun making Gen 5 exactly when everything was going to shit and the designs show.
>>743782698Gonna be honest here, EVEN the Stadium 3D models for Blastoise and Typhlosion were kinda lame too, they're one of those pokémon that looked MUCH better in their spritework than in any of their two official 3D models.
>>743782795Facts. Everything about Gen 3 is good but the designs were starting to get retarded. A few cool ones in the mix though.
Good to know you prefer saturated colors to on-model representations.
>>743783284correctby gen 3 pokemania had already printed an absurd amount of money. the games at this point in history are no longer about creating something ambitious but rather more focused on keeping the money printer going.
>>743783494You underestimate the good shit Gen 3 brought to the series, starting with the damn Box System overhaul.
>>743783284Everything? Do you enjoy its level design?
>>743782698gen 2 if you aren't blinded by nostalgiagen 5 if you want when they lost all creativity
>>743782784I hate to agree because I played XY in college with friends and a gf so I had possibly one of the best Pokémon experiences in XY, but you're not wrong.
Full 3d. The 2.5d was okay
Gen 1
743783484a decent bait, but no (you)
>>743782698About the moment they decided to stick to the anime, budget Toriyama artstyle instead of pushing for realistic graphics when it finally broke free from handhelds
>>743783494Nah, Game Freak/Pokemon Company was extremely corporate since gen 2. Reading those old interviews is really eye-opening. They've almost always been like that.
>>743782698When it switched from sprites to 3d, so gen 4
>>743782698dexcut
>>743782698After Stadium and Colosseum. Those are 3D and still look great. Gamefreak got lazy with animations and now instead of cool snapshots of pokemon mid attack for their battle sprite, they're all basically just t-posing.
>>743783549that's great but OP wasn't asking when pokemon stopped being good they asked when it lost it's soul. all the additions gen 3 and beyond were extremely safe. somewhere in between>we want to rush job a bug fighting simulator RPG that relies mechanically on a link cable feature for an end of life handheldand>here's this generations glitch filled slop heappokemon lost it's soul and i believe that time to be right around when gen 3 was released.
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>>743783494after the poor sales of crystal, which heralded the end of pokemania, the team working on r/s were genuinely worried that sales would continue to drop and that pokemon was just a passed fadobviously that turned out to not be the case but it was a real worry at the time
>>743784115>>743784164Why are the colors so fucking diluted in 3d
>>743783625b/w looked like assb/w2 looks a lot better and that's what people remember it as, but b/w is choppy as all hell and is a total downgrade from hgss
>>743783594Great designs all over the place. Umbreon, Espeon, Skarmory, Heracross, Kingdra, Slowking, Houndoom, Murkrow, Gligar, Entei, Sneasel, Misdreavus, Ampharos, Tyranitar, Lugia, and the list goes on
>>743784115>>743784164the jump to 3D models was the biggest mistake Pokemon ever made, jesus christ
>>743784181Consultancy firms in Japan tell companies kids like soulless, colorless media.
>>743782698>gen2 Sequel>gen3When it became a "franchise" proper>gen4When it jumped the shark>gen5Soft Reboot>gen6When it lost effortTake your pick.
>>743782698It was EXP Share that killed it. Now you don't even have to bother training your mons anymore. They level up just by existing.
the 3ds batch of models was a terrible mistake but at the time it was so cool to have portable 3d games.The models generally look good in Z-A
>>743783594>>743783745This, Gen II kiddies need to sit down. Their generation wouldn't be shit without Gen I and they added a bunch of shitmons that had to be carried by Gen IV and other gens after that.
>>743782698Gen 2. Love the games to death, but that's when they started designing pokemon to be merch first and monsters second.
>>743783614Pokemon GO is the bomb, dude!I'm sorry that you're a friendless loser who has no smartphone to play video games on it with other people!
>>743782784Fpbp, the series was meant to pique your imagination with the sprite-based environmentsGoing full 3D made everyone realize just how barebones the games are
>>743784115>>743784164>>743784195>>743784275what the fuck lmao all they needed was give pokemon colors
>>743782698Gen 6
Gamefresk would make gangbusters money if they just made an official AAA pokemon H-game
>>743784195this is not a proper mod for the 3ds games is it?
https://youtu.be/NfeiEY8757s?is=qvJe6gA8cjFT2moRThe 3d pokedex app had soul and good animation. Wish they used these models for a 3DS Stadium remake
>>743782698>in terms of pokemon designsGens 1-2 have the best designs in a objective sense. Gen 3 was the first 90 degree turn, some bangers but a few duds. Gen 4 had many bangers and was very fan servicey. Gen 5 was when they did another 90 degree turn and its been this dogshit 2020s cartoon network quirk chungus art style since. I cant remember the names of a quarter of the regional dexes gen 5 and up. Gens 5-9 have a handful of good designs among a mountain of trash.>in terms of gamesThe jump from DS era to 3DS era. Good lord, the nosedive in quality and soul was so bad that to this day they are still trying to climb out of the pit.
>>743782698every game after red blue. same turn based 4 move combat system. 1 dimensional combat system designed for the intel 4004 in 1996, 30 years later zero changes
>>743782698after gen 3obviously I'm biased because I started with gen 3 but I can go back to gen 1 and 2 and have a great time
>>743782795Gen 3 is what turned every single Pokemon story into Legendary slop but at least the legendaries in gen 3 were interesting. Drought and drizzle were absurdly powerful abilities that made you buy into the hype.Then gen 4 tries to get me to believe that the coffee table, the penis and the buttplug are powerful Pokemon when their ability is fucking pressure. Not to mention how slow the whole game is. Forget the HP bars, even simply selecting moves has an awkward half second delay that gen 3 didn't have. Gen 4 is the only pre-3d gen I never replay because it just feels like pulling teeth the whole time.
>>743785284>Gen 4 is the only pre-3d gen I never replay because it just feels like pulling teeth the whole time.this
>>743784181i think they're trying to look like the water color style but it just doesnt work really
>>743782698Everyone that complains about 3D pokemon only plays Showdown.Showdown just has the 3D model at the exact angle you see here >>743784115There are no other animations on Showdown. That means no>entrance animation>fainting animation>attack animations>idle animation3D pokemon is harder to emulate so that further feeds into the problem of no one knowing what it actually looks like.If someone unironically tries to argue the sprites are better you're probably dealing with a moron. Unless he's a Gen 2 bro of course, Gen 2 has the best artstyle.
>>743785508Nah, Showdown is the only thing that makes those models bearable to look at because every 3D Pokemon game runs at like 5 FPS whenever anything even remotely interesting happens.
>redditfrogDidn't read your post.
>>743784345Still my favorite gen.Giving g/s/c crap for it being a sequel to r/b/y is a really funny (retarded) argument.Personally D/P/Pt is what i'd consider the gen with the most shitmons added. Remove the babies from gen 2 and nothing happens, remove the evolution from gen 4 and a huge chunk of the games pokemon need to be replaced.
>>743782698have you seen the gen 1 fire / blue sprites? they are cursed.
>>743783074Pretty much this.3D itself isn't bad, but good 3D is expensive and hard to make.Nintendo/Gamefreak loves to cut corners and they know they can get away with it, so the characters all look like made by someone who has just finished doing a youtube Blender tutorial playlist for begginers.And I'm talking just about the models, don't even get me started on the animations and God forbid the actual game/rendering engine.
>>743782698It was when they introduced sky battles and every flying type needed to be hovering off the ground. And those awful poses have been lingering in the game ever since.
>>743785871Lucario alone mogs the shit out of all of Gen II. >Remove the babies from Gen II but not the evolutionsNice try, kiddo. Gen II's most popular Pokemon is a baby. Take that away and you'll lose Gen II's star player.
>>743786076I would accept if the 3d move animations were like the 2d ones - they do a little animation that interacts with the models a bit, but otherwise are their own standalone things. Making pokemon move around and rotate with no actual animations is like some twisted monkey paw middle ground where the intention was to make battling look as bad as possible
>>743782698Gen 6 when they jumped to 3D models for all the mons.
>>743783594Gen II is literally MORE soulful than gen IIn fact Pokemon peaked at Spaceworld 97
>>743786428glad we established where we both standI am an enjoyer of Donphan, Tyranitar, Kindra and Skarmory,You enjoy Lucario, Lopunny and other furry shit.I know to throw all of your opinions into the >>>/trash/
>>743782698>>743782784>>743783603>>743784572Shitting out multiple games every three years out of obligation with no passion. I hope Gen 10 breaks the curse despite still being in 3D. On another note I’m excited for Final Fantasy Resonance.
>>743784834Such a mod might exist, but I don't think the gifs I posted are from a mod.
I know it sounds petty as fuck and people really try to downplay it but Dexit killed the series for me. Why the fuck can't I obtain all my favorite Pokemon and assemble my true dream team anymore?I really thought these games would be updated to add in all the Pokemon, only to look up Scarlet and Violet's roster and I can't use Absol or Starmie still? Even though they're not in ZA? Where's my god damn Togekiss, why is he still completely missing?
>>743782795Truke and this is coming from someone who's first game was Emerald, which I love. Crystal was the peak of the franchise.
>>743786869I'm a Gen 1 kid.Lucario is a confirmed draw to this day, not cause I say so but because it proved itself to be a popular Pokemon>LopunnyAgain, pulling out whataboutisms. Gen II babies everyone.>Donphan, Tyranitar, Kingdra, SkarmoryI'm surprised you didn't list Scizor, though that would have exposed you and Gen II's entire list of viable mons (not popular mons, none of them have Pichu's star power).
>>743787219>they're not in ZA?meant to say that they're IN ZA
>>743782698I simply will never cope with typhlosion's flame collar since I expected it to be always on fire like charizard's tail
>>743782698People post spscific gens when the reality is they lost it little by little. It started from III with certain designs (inclusind overall aesthethics) , IV with shitty pandering, V with terrible designs (though admittedly this is the last Gen they gave a shit) VI on everything else. VII tried to salvage things a bit but it ended up being 1 step forward 2 steps back. VIII is irredeemable and undeniable proof this franchise will remain shit forever, completely unsalvageable. As for IX who cares, after VIII if you're still playing it's out of masochism.
>>743782795The odd number gens were good and the even numbered gens were bad
>>743784349>>743784396Legends added some saturation back, which was nice. Temporarily.
>>743782698Trooncoded testosteroneless imaging on the right. So whenever the millenial/genz masstrooning started to affect company marketing decisions.
Gen1=Gen2>>>>Gen3>>>>>Gen4>>>>>>>>>Gen5>>>>>>>>>>>>The rest
>>7437826982 was the last soulful generation, but 4 was the last meaningful generation.
>>743789864Nah, it's3>=4>2>5>1>>>shit>>>>6>>>>>7>>>>power gap>>>>>>8>>>>>>>9
>>743786076Sad thing is that they had a framework to work from to transition to 3D: emulate Sugimori's art style. 3D Pokemon looks so weird because the Pokemon mesh so much with the characters and world. The entire setting was supposed to be chunky (but not that Godawful chibi style of BDSP) and thus harmonizing the aesthetic of the game. They didnt even attempt to match Sugimori's art style and now the characters are lanklet androgynites with Pokemon that look like balloons with arms that just dangle out of their bodies.Look at how cool Tyranitar looks in this drawing compared to its 3D model. It's just bizarre since Sugimori's artstyle was one of the most striking things about the series.
>>743782698I started out with gen 1 and I just hate most pokemon made after gen 3, they just look "off."
>>743784181It's to look more like the official artwork, which has more muted colors than the sprites. Though I do like the artwork, I don't think it works out that well for the models.
>>743782698COMPLETEGLOBALSATURATION
>>743782698between ruby/sapphire and emerald. R/S was the last time the series had the classic look. The shift in emerald is noticeable.
>>743783284you can't tell me with a straight face that 3's designs are more retarded than 2's kanto rejects and babymon
