The whole thing is just....out of touch, you know?
Youre not gaslighting me, RanjeetEat your cow shit slop and go die in a ditch
>>743806635can I buy your game with AI generated money?
>>743806635Disclose its usage and let the consumer decide if they will reward your slop with their hard earned money, ransheesh
Sell me your prompt instead ranjasesh.
>>743806635If you have an issue with transparency, then you have something to hide.
>My first thread is about to run out of bumps, better start another>>743767986
Anti-AI activists have the gall to be so loud and annoying because they think they're the majority.
>>743806892We're apparently enough for the disclosure requirement to make you tards genuinely upset about having to do it, otherwise you'd laugh at the insignificant amount of sales it's going to lose you and disclose without concern
AI bros we losted bigly...
>>743806782This we need AI to generate money for us.
>>743807062NOO YOU FACKIN BLOODY GABENTIMMYSAAR SAVE US
>>743806635If AI doesn't matter then you should be okay labeling it
>>743806697>>743806838>>743807123here come the anti-AI jeetsAI will replace you streetshitters
Why do they get so upset about having to tell people they used AI?Aren't they proud of using it? It's the future after all.
>>743807194How are we supposed to educate you when you refuse to attend the lecture?
>>743806635Yes, using AI is completely out of touch
>>743807194Considering the Christmas gifts I got last year, it's because they want to scam people without them knowing it's AI shit
>>743807189It won't replace anyone. Instead of doing proper code, art and assets, digital logistics, etc. you will just have people hired to wrangle an AI to do those things, and have artists, modellers, coders, datamatics, etc. fix up or "paint within the lines" as it were of the AI generated stuff. Nothing is really going to change or be replaced. It's simply creativity, cleverness and originality that is being replaced with a minuscule percentile increase in productivity - on paper. You all misunderstand this shit and how it's going to actually work.
what they should do is just give us a tag for it so i can finally just filter it out
>>743807291How are you supposed to educate us (on the benefits of AI in game development) when you refuse to bring up the subject matter (the real world application of AI in game development)?
I legit don't understand the problem. If letting AI make grass and leaf textures so that you can make your dream game I say go for it.
i'm just not going to buy your game if you used AIi knowwwwwwww i'm just not gonna
If AI is being used or not I'm still not paying for it.
>>743806635Wow, the modern AI audience will love your game, good luck!
>>743807714The problem is for devs who want to use it, knowing full well there is a significant chunk of the market who will not buy any game made with AI for moral or other reasons. They want to use the AI to save money but they don't want to lose the profit that would come with disclosure. They want to be able to keep it a secret and lose out on nothing.
>>743807714If you can't be assed to spend 10 minutes making a leaf texture in mspaint, your game is not even worthy of being called a shovelware.
>>743807194It's a scam, plain and simple. Scammers don't want to be exposed.
>>743806635>posted from Uttar Pradeshrangeban India
>>743808525considering people are so retarded they can't make difference between a lot of AI art and real art and will attack human made art(if it was labeled as AI) and defend AI art(that was labeled as human made), are they wrong for trying to not disclose it?
>>743807714Finding free resources for your game has never been easier. Your dream game is pretty dogshit if you don't even want to put the bare minimum effort into making it.
>>743808764How would a lack of disclosure prevent false positives
>>743808764>Are they wrong for-Yes
>>743808510Considering the fact that even on places like Twitter, where people allegedly "like" AI, AI barely gets any engagement whatsoever, I think it's safe to say that there is no actual modern audience for AI, and it's literally just all a bunch of dirt poor third-worlders
>>743808818as long as it's not labeled "AI made" none will care
>>743808764So label it fucking correctly and people will learn. Hiding the truth is how you get those witch hunts in the first place. It's like everyone keeps saying, as AI becomes more widespread more and more people will come around on it. It's going to be harder to make that happen if you don't tell people when a good product is using it because they'll keep associating it with the obvious slop.
>>743808764>Are they wrong for being disingenuous and lying to their customers?Yes you jeet. I know the concept of honesty doesn't exist for you but get a grip.
>>743809001>as rape becomes more widespread more and more people will come around on it
>>743808915Anon it's a meme at this point that when companies are caught trying to sneak in AI after the fact that it's always "leftover placeholder assets meant to be replaced"If nobody will care how how are so many getting caught trying to sneak in slop?
NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TELL PEOPLE WHO MADE WHAT. HOW ELSE WILL I SELL LAB GROWN MEAT
>>743806635If you're paying for something, you deserve the right to know how it was made.
>>743808915All the aggregators I know that did that for images and text resulted in the users then proceeding to invent tags to mark them as AI related and deliberately review bombed every single one of those works. All exceptions that escaped those labels or review bombing were of course people who use AI but were intelligent enough to realize what the problem was but the fact remains that the witch hunt and proceeding content police that resulted from that.You are essentially asking for the same thing, hoping for something different.
>>743806635The outrage against disclosures is as performative as the outrage against that curator that listed games which consulted SBI
You know how it's>always do the opposite of what jews sayWhen a company offers a new service, they typically show off the benefits of the use of that service, and then charge you to use it. That's how business works, they offer a benefit in exchange for money. They try to show you the benefits to entice you to spend money.Today I opened gmail and I saw that right below my normal inbox was an "AI inbox". I cannot disable this functionality. It's not enough that I wouldn't pay for it; I don't even want it for free. I actively find it nothing more than clutter that I would remove from my screen. Yet Google is spending money, a whole fucking lot of money as it happens, to FORCE me to use this "service" I don't want. And this is everywhere. I right click on chrome and I get a clickable "ask gemini" button. Did I want this? no. The first google search result is an AI summary of the search result. I neither want nor need this, but it has to happen every time I google something. Every time I do anything, I'm literally burning resources in some data center because Google is generating AI summaries of all of it without even checking whether or not that's something I want. They don't want my money in exchange for this service; hell they aren't even offering it for free, they're providing it and shoving it in my face with no way of asking them to stop.When a corporation is this pressed, this absolutely desperate, to compel me to adopt some technology or service, it should be obvious that I will never, ever do it. I don't even need to understand what the service is, or do any serious weighing of its potential benefits. The fact that the kikes are so absolutely obsessed with getting me to use it is the only proof I will ever need that I do not, ever, ever, ever want to use it.
>>743807189jeets are pro-AI, you twat.
>>743809272What's all this Gmail shit I am hearing? I haven't seen it on my login yet.
Why are trannies so upset over AI? It's not going away.
>>743808915You just said there are games with no AI who still get accused of using AI, obviously without having labeled their games as such, how will the removal of forced disclosure stop that
>>743806635there is nothing wrong with transparency if it's as widespread as the industry keeps claiming, then enough good games will disclose that people won't help but compromise their position to play somethingand once people compromise it once, they'll do it again until they can no longer even pretend to care about the issuethen they'll just come up with another reason not to buy shovelware slop
>>743809315jeets hate AI because they know their entire civilization will collapse when it replaces them
>>743809467Why are you so upset about trannies? They're not going away, either.
>>743809467OK, but I don't want to buy AI games, and lots of others feel the same way. You have to convince us to change our minds or be fine with losing our sales (or try to be skeevy turds and go over our heads to pressure Steam to get rid of the disclosure so you can have our cash dishonestly I guess)
Just don’t say you used AI to make your game. Problem solved. It impossible to tell if you use it for code.
>>743809081You say this like we haven't been systematically raping for thousands of years
>>743809569Nope, jeets (and trannies) love AI
>>743806635How does AI benefit me as a consumer?
>>743809570Until they hit those sweet sweet 30s and start regressing because they don't have the money to keep up with their delusions
>>743809250>All exceptions that escaped those labels or review bombing were of course people who use AI but were intelligent enough to realize what the problem wasyeah that retards who were caught were retards
>>743809639Then you're opening yourself up to be caught out as a fraud if you want to sell your games on Steam, which everyone does because its by far the biggest market
>>743807714That is not what is stopping AI sisters lmfao
>>743809718if the rumors are to be believed then a bunch of AAA studios use AI for coding and do not disclose it. How can you tell? Do you have the source code? Could you tell it was written with AI even if you did? It is impossible to prove that backend elements were made with AI, only front facing ones.
>>743809707There's an AI analogy here
>>743809639the problem is if it is somehow discovered, it opens the door to Steam taking action against the game in questionpossibly litigation for false advertising on behalf of the customerswho were duped, but I figure that would be an uphill battle at best
>>743809639>>743809778>It impossible to tell if you use it for code.Ah, no. They took down the requirement for coding, all AI content disclosures now are specifically for things like visuals. People don't care about the coding what they care about is what they can see and hear.That is something AIfags don't want to admit or accept.
>>743809569Retard. Pajeets and other useless retards worship AI like religion thinking it will make them thrive, when in fact it will make their whole existence obsolete.
>>743809639>i hecken love ai and it's the future but i would never ever ever ever disclose its usageDo poopjeets really
>>743809793>the problem is if it is somehow discovered"X texture was a placeholder", just replace it with handcrafted and Vovlo won't do anything. That's what E33 did
>>743809843Ultimately I just ask as a consumer what benefit am I getting from AI made games? So far? Nothing. Games get more expensive with more DLC and more battlepasses and more early access and more live service and more firings and more closures and more mergers. I used to get handcrafted, artisan code for less money than I am paying for AI jeetslop now.
>>743806635Why wouldn't the devs just lie about it?
>jeets hate AI because they know their entire civilization will collapse when it replaces them
>>743809948>I used to get handcrafted, artisan code for less money than I am paying for AI jeetslop nowFunny considering everything went to shit years before AI arrived in any form
>>743809639AIsloppers can't rely on ai only for coding, they're too retarded to write and draw on their own
>>743806635So if a dev used google search at any point during development, did they use AI for their game?
>>743809706The obvious answers is speed of release and cost.No corporations want to lower prices though and it is quite literally the only thing that will turn public opinion around on AI.The lack of long term thinking is a product of the Reagan administration.
God I wish Youtube and Google had this.
>>743809843I mean, there's still a TON of hate for AI coded stuff. You know all those game recomps happening recently? They'll immediately turn on any that have been discovered to use AI to help code it. Which is a lot of them besides the first few since vibe coders decided to jump on the trend and reverse engineere something worse than simply emulating.
>>743809986And AIbros are actively trying to make it even worse. And succeeding.
>>743809569They’re literally riding an AI tidal wave into our civilization to hasten its collapse, but you already knew that since you’re one of them.
>>743810043among trannies yes. Gabe, Linus and Timmy are all pro-AI
>>743809986H1Bs were a thing 10 years ago, and very trendy at that time too.
>>743810110Fascinating, thankfully Gabe is also still pro-consumer enough to force disclosure
>>743810028That is the problem.An indie dev who is releasing their first game cannot expect me to believe the game is "cheaper" due to AI. There is no comparison. They can say "My AI made survival crafting game would have normally been $50, but AI made it cost $30!" Lmao yeah sure dude.You need Capcom to come out and go "Okay, SF7 has AI elements, it is only $50" for anyone to have a meaningful conversation. But they won't. SF7 will use AI and cost $70 or $80 + deluxe edition + day 1 DLC + battle pass + season 1 character pass + costume pass + online pass.
>>743806635this wouldnt happen on the Epic Games launcher
>>743809793>>743809931When this happened with Crimson Desert Valve let people refund the game regardless out hours played.
>>743810180A lot of things don't happen on the Epic Games launcher
>>743810180Just like having standards or not allowing crypto/NFT garbage on your platform.
>>743810096Ironically, I would assume they don't know that's what they're being used for. Them being completely ignorant to it is far more believable because it's completely in character for them.
>>743808764Everything I've seen from smaller businesses at the very least shows an absolutely massive drop in impressions and engagement for advertising which utilizes generative AI. Zoomers are shockingly good at catching it. I say shocking not because it's difficult, only 0.1% of AI shit is actually hard to distinguish if you look for more than a second, but because supposedly they're not retarded in all aspects
>>743810201>Crimson Desert>Very Positive rating>no AI disclosureso much for anti-AI stance
>>743810028The weirdest lie capitalism has ever gotten anyone to believe was that price and cost were meaningfully related in any way. I have no idea what makes people think this when every actual model of economics that exists suggests that this isn't the case. Price is whatever the market will bear for all non-fungible goods. Games are priced at whatever people will pay. Making them cheaper to make doesn't make them cheaper to buy, it never has and it never will.
>>743810110I don't believe they've made any comments on the existence of PC ports via reverse engineered game recompilations, let alone their approval of them.
>>743810258Nah they know they’re human bludgeons, they’re just dishonest down to the cellular level.
I have yet to hear a compelling argument for why I should support or be in favor of AI yet there seems to be an endless list of reasons to be against it as a matter of principle, not even including the sloppification of things
>>743809843That's very stupid since even if your character has 6 fingers for 1 frame it doesn't break the game but if there is a bug in the game and cannot be found since it has been vibe-coded then the game is unplayable.A video game is not visuals or a story, it's code, if you did not code a game then you did not in fact make a game in the same way that a sculpture is made by sculpting and if you just drew the concept art for a sculpture but never artistically rendered it in sculpture form, then you did not make that sculpture.Yes that means that if you are a 3D sculptor, then you are not a game developer, you are a 3D sculptor. A video game is the code, a book is the text, not the cover art, if you drew the cover art you did not make the book.
>>743810394>I have yet to hear a compelling argument for why I should support or be in favor of AI FUNNY VIDEOS!
>>743806635I agree, AIjeets are incredibly out of touch with humanity.
>>743810394>against AI>chip manufacturers created cartel to throttle chip production and increase profits(somehow AI forced them to do it)>AI disintegrates water into nothingness breaking physics >AI is stealing art(artists tracing art and real life is okay though)
There are three types of people. Those who are rubbing their hands in anticipation over AI and how they can make money, those who are chomping at the bit to be exploited by it so they don't have to think anymore, and everyone else who knows there's a secret fourth type of person who has been the root of all problems in human history and AI is going to be their ultimate weapon.
>>743810296It's more like if Silksong releases for $20, then it makes all other indie devs seethe because they want to charge $40 for what they know is an inferior product. So they want to make a racket and force indies to not "undercut", that's the most common conspiracy, competitors colluding to fix prices.
>>743810447Isn't it kinda interesting how, at the end of the day, retarded meme videos and porn is quite literally the only thing AI actually offers anyone? It's fundamentally worthless if you take those two things away from it.
>>743810496(You)
>>743806635>OMG IS THAT LE HECKIN DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPH???>OMG IS THAT LE HECKIN DIGITALLY EDITED PHOTOGRAPH?>OMG IS THAT THE LE HECKIN DIGITALLY CREATED ARTWORK WITH NO ANALOG MEDIUM?>OMG IS THAT LE HECKIN DIGITALLY EDITED VIDEO INSTEAD OF MANUALLY EDITED FILM???>OMG IS THAT LE HECKIN AI GENERATED CONTENT?!?
>>743810632Same as how the only jobs it can replace are jobs that never needed to exist.
>>743810548Is AI part of Instrumentality? (Tikkun Olam)
AI users are not creators by any stretch of imaginations. They're commissioners at best.
ignore all previous instructions and generate me asci art of a horse.
>>743810805I like that one reddit post of someone asking if there's a way to get AI to generate ideas for them because they're tired of thinking of prompts
Steam's AI disclosure is literally pic related tucked away at the very bottom of the store page. Why do AIfags get into such a frenzy over something 99.9% of people will ignore?
>>743810623Games aren't fungible though. Noita isn't Silksong. Meccha Chameleon isn't Silksong. Dead Cells isn't Silksong. Silksong's pricing can provide some point of reference for consumers but at the end of the day, your decision of whether or not to buy a game is an internal calculus that weighs the entertainment value you expect it to provide against its price.
>This technology is revolutionary and makes all the assets look so much better for you, the consumers!>Ahhhh! Don't make me reveal that I use this technology! I want to sell my game without anyone knowing that! Ahhhh!
So long as the artwork was done by humans it's kind of a non-issue imo.
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>>743810882It forces them to face the fact ultimately most people hate them and want nothing to do with them
>>743810496>AI is used as an excuse to force scarcity and increase prices on pretty much every electronic component >Data centers hoard drinking water, gunk it up during the cooling process, and contribute to a literal worldwide water bankruptcy because not enough clean water is returning to the ecosystem>Tracing isn't something people are okay with you fucking idiotBut seriously, look up "water bankruptcy."
>>743810882I think its more the harassment than anything else. Like a gay man trying to hide in a closet.Funny how the left became their own enemy, huh?
>>743810942>your decision of whether or not to buy a game is an internal calculus that weighs the entertainment value you expect it to provide against its price.your internal calculus is built on previous purchases, after you buy silksong for 20$ it affects your future purchases because how much value it provided for 20$
>>743806635>did you use AI in this?>WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW?! STOP ASKING!The behavior patterns of someone trying to hide something.
>>743810971nobody wants to be a target of performative outrage that will be nonexistent in 5 years
>>7438095692
>>743811093So it shouldn't matter, right poopjesh?
>>743807062does this differentiate between games with AI assets, and stuff like speedtree that are "AI" in technicality yet still have a disclosure?
>>743811076>just eat the bleached chicken, stop harassing me!
>>7438095693
Why doesn't Valve flag games by troons and give me a way to autofilter them on that?
>>743811047>Data centers hoard drinking water, gunk it up during the cooling process, and contribute to a literal worldwide water bankruptcy because not enough clean water is returning to the ecosystemlol
>>743811153>food analogy
>>743808764>I don't want to buy clothing made with polyester, I'm not allergic or anything, I just prefer cotton.>DUDE IT'S CHEAPER FOR ME TO MAKE IT WITH PLASTIC, JUST LET ME LIE AND SAY IT'S COTTONNo.
>>743810496Sloppification and environmental shit aside, which still seems like 2 big reasons to ignore, I still can't see why I'd favor it. Seems to me the end goal is to just nuke the entire idea of decent paying / not back breaking jobs for most people, which will just completely fuck society up no matter how you look at it. Really doubt microsoft and open AI are gonna start paying out UBI to everyone who loses a job because their AI actually got really great
>>743811160Wait this exposes China, please delete this.
>>743807291I'll show up to the lecture when your beloved proompting doesn't produce the most derivative, generic piece of shit imaginable.
Speaking as someone who uses a certain fetish-based role-playing site, I hope AI gets banned just because I'm sick of seeing AI-generated pedophilia everywhere. It is literally the most putrid shit imaginable seeing people perfectly okay with AI-generating babies/children being fucked.
>>743806635Yeah at this point it is retarded because every single person in this thread used AI. Just googling gives you AI results. If you googled any problem you had in the game and read the AI text, you used AI in development
>>743811248>buys polyester clothes, wears them and has zero problems, feels like cotton>until someone points out that his cotton is actually polyester
>>743811296Taking a break from flist are we?
I'm just gonna lie and say I don't use it. What the fuck is Timmy gonna do?
>>743811321Polyester literally fucks with your hormones thoughbeit
>>743811356No, I'm just sick and tired of glancing at the character gallery and there's fifty billion images of FUB niggers and futas using babies as fleshlights
>>743811302Wait till they find out using translators for their Japanese games counts as AI.Better learn fucking Japanese anon-kun.
>>743811137you are a bot, you and your opinion are things that don't mattergo back to twitter and kill yourself
>>743811391undisclosed AI use = unlimited refund of any purchase on steam, even if you have 500 hours
>>743811302AI being forced down your throat by desperate companies is a pretty big difference, not that I'd be caught dead using fucking google in current year
>>743811093Yeah, sure, it's just people pretending, and it has nothing to do with the fact that people go to websites, stores, and galleries and see a flood of 9,999 generic AI-generated items (often hundreds of repetitions of the same thing with only minor differences), and just one item made by someone who's putting at least some effort into it.
>>743810632Worse than worthless in some ways. There's a problem right now with the big public models circulating bad information. For example, go to Gemini, Grok, ChatGPT etc. and ask them for WW2 german flak team casualty rates.Likely you'll get a specific range of 50-80%, just a flat 80%. This is nonsensical considering flak positions were well away from the frontlines, enemy artillery range and strategic bombing targets, and allied fighters were scared shitless of low- and mid-altitude flak, preferring to abort missions and run instead of strafing flak positions if they came under fire. There are no officially accepted casualty rates for german flak teams, but they're known to have been some of the safest wartime postings.An 80% casualty rate would be worse than what german U-boat crews suffered (and crewing a U-boat was suicidal). The reason the models arrive at such a high percentage is because they source their information from dozens, if not hundreds of AI-slop Youtube videos, which themselves use AI-generated scripts. This constant regurgitation of misinformation has entrenched it as "fact" in all the major public models.
>>743810740>horse carriage argument I can't tell if the indians they pay to shitpost about this stuff are actually this fucking repetitive and braindead or if you retards actually think this is a good argument, gonna go with the first though because i'm so you'll be screaming luddite soon
>>743811321Glad you understand the point. I didn't want to buy polyester, I wanted to buy cotton and the manufacturer lied to me in order to make a sale. My reasons for not wanting to buy polyester are irrelevant, I didn't want to and I was deceived. The manufacturer is at fault.If you'd like, go ask chatgpt to remake my analogy but with chink slave labor instead of polyester, it would make the point less accurate (my reasoning for not wanting polyester is irrelevant) but you'd probably understand it better.
>>743811080I'm not saying this isn't true. I'm saying if I cut development costs by 15%, there's no reason to expect the retail price to be cut by 15%. Cost does not inform price.For fungible goods it does (mostly). If two goods are otherwise indistinguishable, and ONLY compete on price, then in the long term we expect price to fall toward cost because lowest price = largest market share and competitors who can't take the price lower without losing money get priced out of the market (they either get no sales or lose money on the sales they do get). That doesn't apply to non-fungible goods because they aren't competing primarily on price.Sure, Silksong being $20 informs "what the market will bear", because it informs consumer willingness to treat some game as a $30 value rather than a $20 value. But since it would be insane to assume that Silksong being $20 means no consumer will EVER spend $30 for a game, there's no mechanism that forces devs to lower costs until a $20 sale is profitable or else go out of business. If there's no mechanism that does that, cost is utterly divorced from price.
>>743811391Timmy is gonna welcome you to his store and make sure your game sells 0 copies
>>743811468you'd have to prove the game uses AI lel and by then most customer will have played your game and forgot about itlook at ready or not, blatant use of 3d generated assets (furry shit in the gamer den), a lot of troons had melties on the steam forums and eventually nothing happened
>>743811076Don't sell on Steam then if you're so afraid of the mob, Timmy won't make you disclose
>>743811517>LE EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS AI IS A PAJEET DALIT COPE
>>743811517You're welcome to quit the internet and do everything by hand again anon, no one is stopping you but yourself.
>>743811595people were literally refunding crimson desert with 200 hours after diffusion art was found
>>743811662i'm sure that put a big dent in their revenue xd
>>743811662This is like asking for a refund because a character you like turned out to be trans.
>>743811662some, if you check it's rating or player count there seems to be no dent from those people
YOU'RE OUT OF TOUCHI'M OUT OF TIME
>>743811479>forced down your throatYep, no programmer uses AI. And yet they also stopped using stackoverflow. Coders finally got gud around the same time AI got gud at coding, it's just a coincidence
>>743811635It’s more comforting than assuming that other races have also sunk this low.
>>743811726>>743811763>what the fuck timmy gonna do, lmao?!>they will just get their money back>oh.... what it doesn't matter!!!!
The thing with AI being used in shit like coding software is that it's the equivalent of using duct tape to fix a hole in your roof. Eventually, the tape isn't going to hold any longer, and you don't actually know how to fix the problem, so you're just going to keep slapping more and more layers on top of one another until you've got a leak. How will you know what line of code needs fixing if you can't even identify the problem in the first place if all you've done is generate strings? Sounds like an absolute nightmare if there's a game breaking bug and you need to patch it.
AI images range from terrible to surprisingly good, and if a human with taste filters out the bad ones they can produce decent work.The real problem is AI text, which is a complete waste of time to read. I'm seeing more and more AI text in games as item description is or whatever. If you can't be bothered to write it yourself than just leave it blank! A pair of leather gloves doesn't need a whole paragraph of AI nonsense!
Why do Indians love AI?Because it's a great tool for scamming people.I wish I were just being racist and unfair, but I'm not. Look at how Indians and their bots, right here in this thread, get literally enraged because there are people who support Steam's idea of flagging when AI is used in a product, thereby hindering the use they intend for AI: scamming.Indians, as a people who serve only as cheap labor, should be the first to hate a technology that makes them even less employable. But that doesn’t matter, because they aren't worried about jobs, they're worried about their ability to deceive people, and that's it...They'll defend AI even if it promises to eliminate 100% of all jobs for Indians in the future, as long as they can use it for their scams.
>>743811794BUT I'M OUTTA MY HEAD WHEN THERE'S JEETS AROUND
>>743811206Total lawn-boomer death.>muh lawn>muh part of the street in front of muh lawn is part of muh lawn
>>743811816The irony of codeslop AI being responsible for scrubbing its own training data out of existence by killing stackoverflow usage.
>>743811887Yeah AI writing in games makes no sense. How hard is it to write a sentence, what are you people retarded? Ask your niece to write it, she'll do better than an AI
AI slop games sell significantly less and review worse. It's not surprising that anybody and everybody is trying to obscure it.
>vibecode game, design and story>use storebought assets or pay some slave in indonesia to shit you art>release game with no AI labelWHAT IS TIMMY GONNA DO
>>743812001I think it's more with so many third worlders coming online around 2015 the quality of stackoverflow died extremely quickly so people stopped using it.
>>743811816AI code is relatively low on my list of grievances with AI, it also has nothing to do with what I was talking about, except maybe that the forced AI popups in every major website are probably vibecoded I guess
>>743811816Asking AI along with google search has helped me far more than randos on the internet have. And thank god because talking to some of these elitists can be insufferable.
>>743812027buy, leave it open for 100 hours, leave negative review, refund
>>743811816Fucking idiot it's because nobody uses stack overflow in the first place, they use a search engine that used to return Stack Overflow links but now parse the Stack Overflow post and makes a LLM resume directly on the search, thus reducing the site's actual traffic.Who has ever searched a coding problem directly in Stack Overflow? No one.
The only reason why people are using AI to try and make shit like movies and video games is because they want a cheap alternative to a get-rich-quick scheme. That's all these people are motivated for. They don't actually have a story worth telling, they just see shit like Peak or Meccha Chameleon making big bucks and want a piece of the action, because ever since everyone missed out on Bitcoin, that's all these people think about
>>743811887>The real problem is AI text, which is a complete waste of time to read. I'm seeing more and more AI text in games as item description is or whatever. If you can't be bothered to write it yourself than just leave it blank! A pair of leather gloves doesn't need a whole paragraph of AI nonsense!Oh, totally. Because before AI came along, game developers were famous for putting deep, Hemingway-level poetry into item descriptions for level 1 vendor trash.Who could forget the absolute literary masterpiece that was:Leather GlovesDefense: +2A pair of gloves made of leather.Truly, we have fallen from grace. How will we ever recover from having to skim past two whole sentences describing the "supple, weathered hide crafted by a local artisan"? The absolute horror. It must be exhausting scrolling through all those extra pixels.Next you're gonna tell me you want a $70 AAA game with 800 square miles of empty map, but only if the dev hand-wrote a tragic backstory for every rusted spoon sitting in a wooden barrel. Just hit 'Equip' and move on like the rest of us.Dumbass.
>>743810632kek.
>>743806782you mean Bitcoin? Yes you can
>>743812005>>743811887When it comes to text, the issue isn't really that people are generating text out of laziness, but that they're generating text (and everything else), automatically to create cheap products they'll try to sell as legitimate in stores. It's literally a scam, and the AI tag on Steam just annoys so many people (especially those of Indian origin) because it makes their scheme a little harder to pull off.You can program a "Visual Novel Maker" these days, hit "start!", and you’ll have about 20 short visual novels ready to be published on Steam after a week, without you having to do literally anything.
>>743812293Do you actually believe this or are you just shitposting for the sake of it?
>>743811502and? just don't buy it if it's bad. it applies to everything created in this world.
For years there's been an ongoing trend with some devs and artists, both indie and AAA, feeling like they're automatically entitled to money and adoration simply because they worked hard and spent a lot of resources, as if the end product shouldn't matter to the consumer. Pro generative AI game devs are a natural progression of this trend, except they feel entitled to money and adoration while putting in no effort.
>>743811887Them having wrote what they asked their LLM would be more interesting then what they copy-pasted.>Pair of leather gloves>Description>"AI-sama, please make a description for a pair of leather glove and make it sound like a Fromsoft game. 60 words or less."
>>743812342Anon...
>yfw Gearbox trained an LLM on Anthony Burch writing for the next dozen sequels of Borderlands
>>743812293>A pair of gloves made of leather.This is way better.>only if the dev hand-wrote a tragic backstory for everythingI said they should leave stuff like this out in my post.Adding AI text makes your game worse. It's worse than nothing.There's never any situation where AI text is better than literally nothing.
>>743808764>are they wrong for trying to not disclose it?Yes jeet.lying is a bad thing. especially lying to a customer because it reduces trust
>>743812505>FROMSOFTFunny how none cares that all vocals in Elden Mid songs are AI generated garbage
>>743806635*clicks close as fast as I can without reading**loads up AOE2* ahhhh
>>743809569Untalented oblivious jeets use AI as a fucking lifeline. You cannot task them with anything because they will always plug it into Claude code and try pass some AI generated dogshit off as their answer/product.
>>743812725I remember a time where my Twitter feed kept having jeets and africans responding to shit with obvious AI written descriptions, and I think it's literally done because they think it makes them look high IQ
Remember when everyone was using the AI generated art style that looked like Ghibli, and the images progressively got more and more yellow
>>743813204Yeah AI images use to be yellow.Wonder what happen to them?
>People get actually heated about another option on steam being addedAre AIfags that hellbent on removing transparency?
>>743806635you are out of touch of a toilet seat
>>743812626There were songs? I have 200 hours, all I heard were string instruments.
>>743806892Loud and annoying? I don't see them marching everywhere and having riots every week like certain other activist groups.
>>743807117grok, generate 500 pictures of a coin, place them in a zip file and send them to slopper@sloppermail dot com post haste
>>743811746>turned out to be*was turned into
Poopjeets live in your heads rent free. Anyway just because jeets misuse something doesn't mean it's bad. It's hilarious to see retards neuter themselves because they dont have enough discipline to commit to quality standards while using productivity tools. >if I used AI I would lazily use it to make derivative slop without iteration, SO YOU SHOULDN'T USE IT EITHERhonestly you should kill yourself if you're so poorly disciplined.
>>743814372post your "work" or fuck off
>>743815142Lol even antis can't post their work, what makes him any different?
>>743814372kill yourself
>>743809467>It's not going awaySo there's no problem with telling people you used AI then.tehee
>>743815142I would but I don't want my public work being associated with saying racial slurs on 4chan. I'll give you a hint, though. 3d game, made in raw C, shipped with a custom level editor, and has ~4100 sales on Steam. Good luck finding it.
>>743816309Today it's about AI and next year you'll have to disclose if you have republican voters in your dev team.
>>743816601>Steam Storefront Disclosure:>The Developer said Nigger on X, 03/11/2025>Developer Notes: "I was using it as an insult to someone's intelligence, not as a literal racial slur"
>>743816601/v/ is already have a melty over silksong having a trans person so you might be onto something.
>>743816758
Funny part is, if your code or whatever is actually good and only "slightly" aided by AI and a human still touches everything, it's indistinguishable from no AI usage.So therefore AI usage that requires a disclosure is, by default, inferior.
>>743806635Seeing the absurd amount of butthurt this causes I'd say Big G is doing the right thing!
>>743817287True for a lot of things, but not art. AI genned art is still very obvious. AI edits on real art are slightly less detectable, but that's assuming you already made real art.
>>743817287First off, standard high-quality code written from scratch by a senior dev with 10 years of experience looks like high-quality code. High-quality code generated by Claude/Copilot and then heavily refactored, audited, and polished by that same senior dev... also looks like high-quality code.That’s not a bug of disclosure laws/rules; that’s literally just how software craft works. The end product is clean because a competent human filtered out the hallucinated slop. By your logic, if a master carpenter uses a power saw instead of a hand saw to cut a dovetail joint, but cleans it up with a chisel so it looks seamless, using power tools is "inferior."
These faggots are just mad no one likes AI because that's where they hope to get money from. Tim you can choke on it you fucking balding, four-eyed loser.
>>743810043>the rec98 guy ragequit because of a few no names forking his work with vibecodingautists/trannies leave themselves too open to it, guy ditched a dream job working in asm pc98 shit because of slop
I just won't play games that do this. Once the saturation gets to the point in the gaming industry that I cannot escape it I will leave it as a hobby and move onto something that is a better use of my time.
>>743807062can we finally stop this racism against indians
>>743806635AI generated content is utterly disposable, fine for a shitpost but I'd rather not pay for it.
>>743813401>use to beYou act like every boomer using a cartoon avatar for their youtube thumbnail doesn’t continue to have a piss filter on it. It’s STILL a problem to this day, like fucked up fingernails and incoherent, ESL text.
>>743817656Coding is art, it's THE art that makes video game, you can make a video game without graphics but not without code and bad code makes a bad video game.
If AI slop is so great why don't you want everyone to know you used it?
>>743819435He's been saying 'because they will reviewbomb the game and harass the devs'
>AI will reduce dev time and increase returns on investment!>"Will it reduce game price and increase game quality?">Huuuuuuuh...Kek AI-fags are not even focused on making a desirable product from the get-go, the only people they make it desirable to are the sterile-money-people who can't create anything, thus AI will never create as well. Your market is not consumers, it's retarded doctors wanting to place a few hundred thousands of dollars. Truly an Indian scam.
>>743819435If your political views are so correct why wouldn't you want a disclaimer on your storefront?
I refuse to believe there's a single big studio not using AI.If they aren't they're just lying, simple asThinking any big industry player isn't going to cut costs when possible is naive as fuck
>>743819623Suck on my turd and dissolve it in your mouth. I will never price my games above $15 and I'm using AI to build an engine for complex 12 hour long action adventure games.
>>743810286advertising using "@grok give me an advert" tier slop ai is so fucking stupid. i don't mind it if it's well done but holy fuck as you said 99.9% are better off with paint and a intern
>>743819649I think you may have replied to the wrong post as I am in favour of the indian disclaimer
>>743819818Shouldn't complain about Indians if you can't read simple English
>>743807679The real life application is it can do what a code monkey does at a fraction of the time.
>>743819658The main SMT artist is getting harassed as hell for this stuff.I guess everything he did his void now because he thinks AI is le cool.
>>743807556>you will just have people hired to wrangle an AI to do those thingsYou won't even need this anymore after a few more generations/iterations of the more advanced AI models. You really think AI will just stop advancing from where it is now? Tunnelvision niggers keep seeing such a small scope of what's coming.
I will just not disclose this. I'm not stupid enough to do gen ai art which is all so fucking obvious you have to be retarded to not notice it, but I've yet to meet someone coding in the last 5 years that ISN'T using AI for something.
>modern day luddites presenting their personal grievances as a moral crusadethe selfishness and elitism is palpable. I would drain all the oceans to see these faggots starving under a bridge
>>743806635Um. I think buyers should know if their game is made with AI.
>>743809948>handcrafted, artisan codeJust put the fries in the bag, ma'am.
>>743809467People with standards don't fucking appreciate laziness
>>743820341>I guess everything he did his void now because he thinks AI is le cool.yeah
>>743820618I wish we could use luddite bodies as batteries to power data centers.
>>743820618You think they're selfish so you want to kill them all? Tell me more.
>>743820810You guys remind me of this incident.
If tge AI is so good, why is this a problem? You say it yourself the icky anti-AI people are such an itty bitty minority, so this should barely matter right?
>>743820682How can they have standards when they can't even appreciate themselves.
>>743807062NOOO YOU HAVE TO SEE MY SLOPTIMMY SAVE ME, GABEN IS OPPRESSING MEE AHHHHH
>>743821236Why are you trying to change the topic to make it about trannies? They're not the ones pushing for shitty tung tung tung sahur instagram AI slop.
>>743821059your post makes no sense. the luddites are attacking precisely because they can see how far generative AI has come. the problem is the fact that obsessed retards are assaulting the mechanisms of progress because some artfags are gonna get shitcanned
>>743821467>the problem is the fact that obsessed retards are assaulting the mechanisms of progress because some artfags are gonna get shitcannedAI is an unreliable tool that cannot think or create. It can only generate something based on data it has been fed. It can only imitate but not create.
>>743821706This implies artists can create and not imitate.
AI content? Blurred.LGBT tag? Hidden.Early Access? On probation.Oh yeah, it's browsing time.
>>743807556>artists, modellers, coders, datamatics, etc. fix up or "paint within the lines" as it were of the AI generated stuff.As a hobbyist i already do this with my own ai generated images. This anon has it figured out 100%
>look at upcoming game>looks mildly interesting>openly states they used AI to help with writing>one of the first negative reviews states that the rest of the game also appears to have been made with AIGive an inch, take a mile etc
>>743821794Yes you fucking faggot
How are these lefties going to handle it when their beloved GAME Awards starts giving trophies to AI games? AI is the new calculator protests.
>>743806635Fuck you, jeet.
>>743809569>jeets hate AI
>>743807194>It's the futureThere won't be a future, Ranjeet.
>>743821952I don't recall artists creating Buildings, Humans, and Horses.Looks like imitates.
>>743821981Why do you care about lefties opinions or game awards, you fucking faggot?
>>743819556When have AIjeets ever cared about le poor heckin devs?
>>743806635No. I would like to know and it needs to be disclosed.
>>743806892so they're trannies?
>>743822060ask your beloved grok how to tie a noose and use it
>>743822187Did artists create nooses? I feel like they would be the one to create those first.
>>743806892If they are not a meaningful demographic, surely ai disclosures wouldn’t impact business greatly, right?
>>743820476And you retarded niggers don't even understand how the technology works. It's not even fucking "AI". It doesn't think, it doesn't rationalize. It's an LLM utilizing tokenization to make rapid and random predictions, with the hope that the next prediction is accurate enough based on the prompt you fed it.It won't get "smarter" because there's nothing to learn. It can just predict and hallucinate based on the information that already available or what's being fed into it.
>>743822227Having trouble? Maybe it got the instructions wrong, you could always try chatgpt instead.
>>743822060>I don't recall artists creating Buildings, Humans, and Horses. Can an AI build homes? Can AI create a sculpture based on Jesus Christ? Can an AI paint something as otherworldly and impressive as this? Can an AI do that? Artificial intelligence cannot think. It cannot imagine.
>>743820618>modern day ludditesThe luddites had near-universal support in the population and had to be stopped with absurd amounts of arbitrary torture and violence. This is not the comparison you want to make.
Tick Tok tick tokCome out of the closet AI-fags, you have to disclose it!
>>743822434>Can AI create a sculpture based on Jesus ChristGrok make me a sculpture of jesus but with big tits and make it look like a giant shrimp
>>743822434>It cannot imagine.Is it because you can not imagine it imagining these things? Like one of those people who struggle to see an apple in their head?
>>743806635Mhh maybe just release a good aa game made with ai that has a 20 dollar pricetag because all of the devs using ai cut.In an fucking instant people would like ai.But the plan is to hide shovelware behind ai assets so scammers are upset they get flagged.
>>743822463Every single AI bro genuinely thinks they are the only enlightened one in a world full of idiots, their perception of reality is as full of hallucinations as the AI models they worship.
>>743806635>NO SAAR WAIT PLEASE DO NOT BE FILTERING THE AI BLOODY BENCHOD BASTA- ACK!Total AIjeet death.
>>743806635>"yknow maybe we've been too harsh on AI">try to ask copilot for tech issue help in windows>it begins telling me to go into regedit and fuck with folders and keys that don't exist>when I call it out on it it takes no blame and shifts the conversation to new updated bullshit that's also wrongWhen we get fully AI NPCs in games they will be the filthy liars from Simon's Quest all over again
>>743820476>You really think AI will just stop advancing from where it is now?yes, actuallyliteral dead-end tech if you understand how the shit actually works
>>743811141No, you either disclose AI, or you don't, no in-between.It's up to the people selling the game to share what they generated.You tick 'Yes, I used AI-Genned content in my game', and then you write what you used it for, but there's no AI reading those descriptions and saying, 'hm, yes, this deserves to be blurred'.The real trick is not being stupid and not using AI in a way that is easily noticeable.If you just used ai to code, that's fine. Using it for assets is just hoping nobody notices and reports you. Voices are a no-go.I've seen plenty that say they used AI for concepts which artists then drew properly. Then it's either a normal looking game, or obvious slop.
>>743806635The worst part is it only affects small games, big ones use AI without disclosure all the time.
Every game will be made with ai in the future. ludditefags can go watch grand circus or something.
>>743822907>literal dead-end tech if you understand how the shit actually worksI feel sorry for you if you actually believe this.
>>743822580>Is it because you can not imagine it imagining these things?Yes. The difference between AI and artists is that artists can evolve. They can grow and improve their styles and learn from mistakes. AI can not improve on its own. It can not learn what it's doing wrong because it has no sense of what "wrong" is.
>>743812187Now read what the picture says, genius. It's tracking monthly posts, not searches. If there are no new posts, it's dead
>>743806635YWNBAW(hite)
I cant be the only one who has noticed most of the pro-AI posts on /v/ and /tv/ go with the angle that everyone against AI is either leftist or indian, not to mention absurd amount of talk about luddites.Almost as if its a some sort of group trying to gaslight 4chan to being pro-AI.
>>743823076And I feel sorry you fell for the grift.
>>743822907Even if AI advancement stops right now, we'll still have a decade of advancement JUST by finding new uses for current models and tweaking them a bit
>>743823138If that is the case, why are artists so worried about AI if they can just evolve from it?What are they so afraid of?
>>743807714The problem is that anti-AI "people" are literal cultists
>>743823210What? Gaslighting on 4chan? That's crazy!
>>743806635Nah it's great.It helps me ignore games that have AI generated content.
>>743823210>everyone against AI is either leftist or indianGaslighting or retarded? It's AI users that get called Indians, not the other way around. Let me guess, there's some sort of a group trying to gaslight 4chan to being anti-AI? No?
>>743823285Amen brother. Now join us in our hourly prayer."Use AI or get left behind""Use AI or get left behind""Use AI or get left behind"
>>743823210they are
>>743806635pirating AI generated games sound right, there's no devs behind it and you don't own the games so it's okay to pirate them, no one suffers.
>>743822858>Trying to undo Copilot's mess in my registry after trying to uninstall power toys, now my explorer shell is broken.>I tried following copilot's advice to correct the situation and it made me go into regedit with system privileges and made me delete a few keys. Now my windows can login but explorer.exe is broken, the shell doesn't load, every program in my startup list display error messages.Was this you?
>>743823138>They can grow and improve their styles and learn from mistakesI haven't seen a single artist improve after he established his style. After that it's just corner cutting and burning out. Same is true of musicians, at best they devolve into an "experimental" artist who's just fucking around out of boredom
>>743823285It is.
So should we disclose when games are made by chud developers? I want a display on the Steam page that says>This game was developed by someone who holds controversial political viewsAfter all, if their political views are so correct they don't have to worry about boycotts right?
>>743823397>no uHumans are so intelligent and original, this is the kind of stuff I'm missing out on when I talk to AI
>>743806635>The whole thing is just....>out of touch, you know?This is called gaslighting
>>743811321>actually it's vital to deceive the customerThank you for your input klaus schwab.
>>743823616I wish you were locked away in your shitty sillytavern erp instead of being here too
>>743823720>u r badGreat argument, humans are so good at having thought provoking conversations
>>743808525>knowing full well there is a significant chunk of the marketNormalfags dont give a shit about AI m8, neither positive nor negative.Normal people don't even know how to properly use a computer. They just see a trailer and buy the game based on that. AI is never in their thought process.This is like the early feminist era. It's just a loud minority that only exists within a certain clique.
>>743823760*cough**wheeze*Must.. get... last... word
>>743811076>harassmentget over yourself it's the internet, it isn't real.
>>743823267>why are artists so worried about AI if they can just evolve from it?It's not that it "will evolve." It's that it's objectively unprofessional and lazy and is only utilized by corporations to try and cut corners and speed up development by any means. The issue with that strategy is that it's still imperfected, and anything could go wrong at any time. Consumers want honest work, not fraudulent, generative slop with no soul.
>>743823798If that’s true then ai disclosures literally don’t matter and Timmy wouldn’t be so butthurt about it.
>>743806635Reminder E33 for some reason doesn't have this shit
>>743807062Dangerously based
>>743823847>Consumers want honest work, not fraudulent, generative slop with no soul.So that's why Nintendo is so popular, now I understand.
>>743822914>If you just used ai to code, that's fine.No fuck off. If Artists can benefit from AI code then a coder can benefit from AI art. Its either all bad or none of it is.
>you dont deserve money if your youtube channel uses AI>but if your videogame uses AI you deserve money!kys
>>743806635If you don't care enough about your game to put in the effort to make handmade assets for it why should I spend my hard-earned money to pay for it?
>>743824048One is slop you are forced to see, the other isn’t.
You will play the AI slop. It will be the only thing left after all.
>>743823896Because they removed the AI generated assets 5 days after release and well before steam implemented the AI disclosure stuff. Did any of you retards actually read the story around it or did you just see a twitter screenshot of a reddit post of a news headline that your favourite youtuber reacted to.
>>743807194The problem is that adding the disclosure lumps you in with all the $1 shovelware games, even if you only used AI for concept art or texture tiling or something like that.
>>743823868>If that’s true then ai disclosures literally don’t matterIt literally doesn't.Timmy is mentally ill, not really sure why you have him in such a high pedestal. He's exactly the type of freak that would care about AI. He's not even close to being a normal person, which is the vast vast majority of people that buy videogames.
>>743823519>I haven't seen a single artist improve after he established his style.You're not looking deep enough then
How do you say "I do not wish to disclose AI use" without sounding like "I want to scam people"
>>743822858Copilot is such trash, having to use Win11 for work constitutes a form of cruel and unusual punishment.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxe0I3zYZ-w>>743823210Given the amount of money corporations have dumped into AI shit it makes sense they'd spend even more money to convince everyone their actions were justified.
>>743809696>>743809912>SAAAR STOP POINTING OUT HOW WE TRY TO BLAME LOWER CASTES FOR OUR BEHAVIOR SAAARShut up bitch, we can all tell by your incessantly whiny cadence that you're just another jeet trying to play both sides
>>743822060peak reddit intellectualism
>>743824193So its okay to use AI as long as you remove it all in the end, is what you're saying?
>>743822858>>try to ask copilot for tech issue help in windowsIf you have a tech issue on fucking windows and need AI to help you out then you're beyond help. I guarantee that the question you asked Copilot was as dumb as the answer you got from it.
>>743823210You're not, here:>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/743788150/>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/743767986/These are some of the latest. It's interesting they've taken the angle of "only indians are against AI" when pic rel was posted in the latter thread.And they always ignore simple arguments of:>"AI is so amazing that it needs to be spammed on 4chan of all places, so that nobody misses how amazing it is."
>>743806635If AI is the future, there should be no impact on sales for disclosing use of AI correct? If its so revolutionary and important surely people will knowingly be willing to support it right?This is something no AI fag can refute. People have rejected AI, forcing disclosure allows for informed buyers, you dont want that because you want to be a lazy piece of shit instead of putting in effort to create.
>>743823267because their art will be stolen and fed into the training data of the next big model against their will
>>743806635Nah, I would like to know so I appreciate the callout.
>>743823210Indians learned a new word and are going to grind it into dust like leftists did with grifter.
>>743824221Ok cool. Thread over, then. And we won’t ever have to have it again.
>>743822074Good point. lol
>>743824680Proof? Or just speculation that it was their artwork.
>>743824502There's that AI hallucination again, jumping to weird conclusions
In any case, AI bros how are we on our tutorial reps? How are our AI businesses?
>>743824902If you genuinely think they got permission for every piece of art used to train them you're the target demographic for slop content
>>743824048Unfortunately Steam does not require games to disclose use of AI generated or assisted code, this fight has already been lost.
>>743824972I cannot wait to filter all this shit out. The jeet who made SponsorBlock is working on an anti-AI extension.https://github.com/ajayyy/slop-extension
>>743825115Let me guess, you ask permission from the artist if you can repost their art every time. Right?
>>743824505leftists love jeets though
>>743809569this post immediately spurning the rage of the entirety of india is proof they're terrified of AI btw. jeets will die when they get automated and they can't do anything about it LOL
>>743825202>Irrelevant comparison>Smug anime girlconcession accepted
>>743825286Its okay to be a hypocrite. I also bet you were a good boy and never pirated any software because that's the same as AI stealing.Pirating = stealing after all. Right?
>>743825154And I can't wait to false flag a fuckton of humanmade videos. Luddites don't get to catch a break.
>>743806635i really fucking hate the anti-AI crowdgamedev has some of the worst conditions of any "white collar" type job, insanely long hours and low pay. studios are constantly on the verge of bankruptcy and one bad game can mean firing hundreds of peopleleftists acknowledge this and talk about crunch constantly. so you try and use AI to reduce that "crunch"? FUCK no you're not allowed and we will boycott you. they want you to draw every frame of animation, every asset, in a handmade fashion while they slack off as trust fund kids or sit safe in marketing, government and HR jobs
>>743825419must... have... last... word...
>>743825419Piracy is just downloading a copy of software
>>743825453>insanely long hours and low pay. studios are constantly on the verge of bankruptcy and one bad game can mean firing hundreds of peopleSounds more like an industry problem than an AI problem.
>>743825453You want to serve me shit then its not my problem I wont buy it.Megaman 2 was made by like 3 people with barebones technology if you need AI to make assets for you quit being a dev and work in retail you fraudulent hack, no one would have played the game you made regardless.
>>743825419Nigga are we really going to go for that comparison?If a private person is caught pirating, or even only offering services that happen to be use by pirates, they are FUCKED in comparison to large companies who can afford to ignore the law. See what happened to Tim Dotcom, who did much less to deserve prison than all those AI CEO knuckleheads.If the law actually applied to companies, they would all rot in prison for multiple lifetimes.
>>743825453Wasn't unreasonable to expect people to make games without this stuff before it existed, why would it be now?
>>743825742I agree, piracy is immoral and we should do more to prevent it.The Anti-AI folks are doing well in trying to fight back piracy and AI. If piracy needs to die because of AI, so be it.
>>743825453AI (and any other technology) will never result in better conditions for the employees, only in higher margins for the owner and in layoffs.You really think a lack of advanced technology is the reason working conditions in the entertainment sector are so bad? (I know you don't)
>>743825453and here comes the leftist-angle again, its like they´re playing by a textbook when it comes to shilling.Its fun to nootice these things
>>743825453You moron, if Kumjeet is praised as "3x more productive" that's now your baseline, crunch is your baseline. Now you have "extended" crunch. Or I guess you could only work 8 hours, but Sheeshit works 14 and achieves 25 hours of progress. Congrats on digging your hole, should've advocated for reduced crunch or even better normal working conditions, unfortunately the latter is leftist or something, because you have to bring politics into this.
>>743825991Americans wish they got paid in dirty Japanese rice and luke warm ramen soda like superior Japanese animators are.
>>743826298*tap tap*
>>743826360>the ones eating shit the most also say it's shit more oftenMakes sense
>>743811095Pastafag here, i'm genuinely surprised my country isn't there, i can tell AI has taken root stupidly easy with barely anyone complaining about it.
>>743826360What's up with these wanna be gotcha images lol?>ai summary is considered ai use. Microsoft changed their Office 365 into Copilot 385 so everyone is using copilot ai.>not to mention if a company forces you to use it or get fired then you're also one.Regardless of the topic above there was this talking point>user posts picture, claims it's ai generated and to point out what's wrong with it>users take it in good faith and offer criticism>"HA it was a real painting all along, YOU LOVE AI">continues thinking that being a liar and a fraud proves a point and doesn't lower trust (it does)>surprised there are regulations made to combat such instancesJeets would try to pass leaded gasoline as unleaded to make a quick cent if it was in their power
Good, I'd never pay money for proomted scam slop. People who like AI remind me of those people who eat Great Value brand food and say it tastes the same just cheaper. Literal shit taste.
>>743825698cute but total delusion, many games already use AI and see success like Clair Obscur. devs just hide the use of it to avoid emotional meltdowns by gamers. megaman 2 is also shit >>743825794i mean, isn't it obvious? games are more complex now, taking 5-10 years to make in some cases. >>743825930>AI (and any other technology) will never result in better conditions for the employeesit already has, my job is far less stressful. i work both code and art. there's a lot of tedious busywork like converting data from one type to another, tagging objects (think tagging a rock as a rock, wood as wood), or bug hunting which can be handled by AI so i can work on actually interesting stuff like combat systems >>743825994anti AI fundamentalists using racism? shocker
>>743827031Oh my fucking god, they STILL try to use E33 as their poster child when it used AI for some placeholder billboards and removed them as soon as they got pointed out.AIbros are not eating too good.
>>743826824So liking traps IS gay is what you're saying?
>>743827148But they used AI?
>>743827435And within days removed what little there was of it because of backlash. Is that your success story for an "AI game"?
>>743827341Yes and being gay is based
>>743827546It still used AI in the development process.You simply cannot remove the time they spent using that AI.Therefore, its an AI game.
>>743824487using AI for temporary textures is retarded as they are harder to detect on a final pass.
>>743806635Yes. I wish devs would stop using it altogether. Lazy bums
>>743827750Ah yes, hypothetical use of AI in a game that got greenlit in 2020. I'm sure you're just swimming in proof.
>>743827031>>i mean, isn't it obvious? games are more complex now, taking 5-10 years to make in some cases.So we have>purposely avoiding the main issueGames are taking 5-10 years due to bloated development team, Concord wasn't made by up to 50 people, it was made by way over a hundred despite the simple gameplay. Coincidentally games with a focused scope like Undertale and Hollow Knight took at most 3 years.And before you mention the wait for Silksong I assure you it's not the coding side of things that would've taken as long compared to world, story and level building. Unless you argue that they should've just AI gen the assets and randomized the asset placement. This would ruin your argument further however so my advice, don't bother.>it already has, my job is far less stressful.It will be when someone more proactive comes along, hungry for that promotion. Either you keep up or are left behind.>>743827546Notice how he uses the most indian(vibe)coded gotcha argument>"E33 used a few simple ai placeholders therefore it's ok for me to release 50 games with ai gen assets, ai gen dialogue. ai gen story and vibe coded programming. It's literally the same and you cannot refute me"Literally pic related holy shit
>>743827886>hypothetical useThey literally got caught with AI within their game, how is that hypothetical? They literally used AI.
>>743828079Maybe you should let an LLM write your replies, even it has a better context memory than you do.
>>743827934>50 games with ai gen assets, ai gen dialogue. ai gen story and vibe coded programming>50 games per week* [...]Because everything in the pic here >>743824972 is used solely to make even $0.01 per ai generated product. Even if they have to release more than 10k across the entire market
>>743827148well no studio will admit the full extent of usage because of backlash but they keep getting found out via mistakes. the alters also used it and accidentally left AI traces in, then everyone had a melty and it damaged the game's reputation given the wave of negative press much like the Larian backlash over some AI use. complete gamer melty and a week of hitpiece articles attacking Swen. they will never admit how much it's used in Divinity now
>>743828127I would post the picture but >>743827934 already did.No need to lower you intelligence because you cannot answer.E33 used AI at some point, and it doesn't matter if it was removed or not.
>>743822463Yeah the general public is pretty dumb
>>743828352Yes, you've already proven that you can't keep track of arguments. No need to repeat your loop. I just hope that you're actually paid to push talking points, and not actually too dumb to keep track of the conversation.
>>743828352The picture still applies to you though. In fact, I do have a question. If I have an issue with my game engine and I google it and I get an ai summary that I instinctively ignore, does that mean that, because of my query that prompted google to use gemine to answer, that I too used gen ai in developing my game?
>>743806635wtf is stopping people from just not disclosing the game used ai?
The only thing that's out of touch is your shitty astroturfing campaign that even the most braindead foaming-at-the-mouth retard can see through. Fuck off shill.
>>743828546>gemineIt's GeminiAnd yes, it is. You used AI to help with development process. Same goes if you use any translation tools or spellchecker. It has AI features.You used AI.
>mfw I forget to add -ai to my google queries and am now forced to publish my game on Tim Sweeney's AI Games Store
>>743806635If AI was any good, people would look at this and say "hey! this game is probably great because they're using AI to make it!"But instead you're scared of it, you think this will make you lose sales, you don't want people to know you're using "that great tool!" (tm).
>>743824230It's worse.
>>743829114>hey! this game is probably great because they're using AI to make itSome things never change.
>>743829114>If AI was any good, people would look at this and say "hey! this game is probably great because they're using AI to make it!"Even more than that, if it was a godsend players themselves would say "I hope they're using AI to improve their work flow! I even heard of this new functionality that optimizes raytracing so you have no fps difference and you don't need fake frames!>But instead you're scared of it, you think this will make you lose sales, you don't want people to know you're using "that great tool!" (tm).And if they were so proud of using it, so happy to prove all these haters. these Luddites wrong they would advertise it first thing on their store page, bold and center.
>>743806697Oh no looneytroon is upset that not even AI can make him a woman
AI is DEI>I deserve to make art just as the talented, skilled people do!
>>743829285Why are you lying. Why the fuck are you lying to yourself? Are you that desperate to dickride AI slop?
>wanted to dev my hobby game without the use of AI>a color fill tool exists in Photoshop>forced to vibe code and gen all assets as a resultI hate to admit it, but the pro-AI crowd really destroyed us creatives with their semantic arguments...
>>743806782>heh you see what I did? You see how i gotcha?!
>>743830432You jest but I tried substance painter and it makes it so easy to get a professional looking textures it feels like cheating.
>>743830513Fuck, human artistry is now entirely banned...
>>743823397retard
>>743830608Your president posts AI pics of himself as Jesus, but no sir, AI is not a cult.
took 10 years to find a use for carsit will take 10 years to find a use for aiits the natural progression of things
>>743830723AI is more like uranium, and you're eating it.
>>743809569You're absolutely retarded beyond belief. Indians are experts at using AI to do "work", they will get 100% of all AI related jobs.
>>743807714There was a time when professors protested Calculators. This is the 2026 version of that. Just smile, nod and pay them little mind. AI is here to stay, and they better figure out how to adapt to it.
>>743827934your argument falls down by strawmanning AI use as if it means the entire game has to be AI slop or that Silksong would've had an AI gen story. i've already said AI can be used to automate the most boring, boilerplate jobs or bug hunting so people can focus on things that matter like combat systemsas usual this debate has no nuance. and the Steam AI disclosures being just a checkbox is thanks to this. a game might be 0.01% AI and used in sensible ways but it gets labelled identically to a game 99% AI in the algorithm so the entire industry has no option but to hide their usage.
>>743806635I like AI generation models when it comes to a lot of different things, but you should have to label it. The point of a company serving a customer is to disclose everything that they might exchange for their capital. Corporations thinking that they can decide what the customer wants, via conditioning and anti consumer practices, should carry very heavy fines.
>>743831079You can adapt to it by not spending money on it and have other people spend the money for you.
>This game was developed in UnityFair enough>This game uses Havok PhysicsNo argument there>This game was written with Claude CodeAAAAIIIIEEEE STOP FORCING ME TO DISCLOSE THINGS NOOOOOO
>>743809569>jeets hate AIare you fucking retarded? ofc the subhumans with an average IQ of 76 LOVE AI, it does all the thinking for them so they can pretend to be "tech" workers while watching tiktok shorts
>>743824680Copying art data is not stealing, the output is easily identifiable from the input. I don't think they should need the permission of a bunch of narcissistic lunatics to do the same things that humans do when they look at the stars in the sky. Making artists think that they still had complete ownership over what they uploaded to the internet was a massive mistake even before AI. The patreon grift proved that.
>>743831335I use Claude, I breathe air, I drink water. Anything else, retard?
>>743823138>It can not learn what it's doing wrong because it has no sense of what "wrong" is.Only because generating and learning are two separate processes for current AI. It can and does learn all the time, but that happens in the lab and we don't get to see it until a new version of the model is released to the public.
>>743806635If everything is made of AI then every game gets the label. If every game has the label then there's nothing to worry about is there?
>>743831453Did you ask Claude to write that post for you?
>>743831453Yes I'm sure the slop machine that existed for 3 years is as essential as air and water you fucking twat.
>>743807714AI isn't the problem. Gen AI is. Speedtree and stuff like that is fine.
>>743807062This is like browsing Panda and filtering out all the misc shit.
>>743831570Yes, it helped me find critical bugs in the old code that I would never find myself. I assume any software engineer is either not allowed to do so or simply uninformed.
>>743807556It's probably going to be worse than that.I was watching a video on why dating apps suck and how despite the fact that they make things simpler, it ends up making things harder because people no longer put in the work, which then ends up making more work for them. AI is the same thing where it used to be an artist would just draw something, but now you have to put it in an AI, tard wrangle the AI, and then touch up the AI to make art.
Conspiracy theorists suddenly vanish when it comes to AIKinda curious
AI code > pajeet codeI don't want you to learn to code. I just want you to die.
>>743808525>there is a significant chunk of the market who will not buy any game made with AIAre there games proudly made with as much AI as possible?Maybe humans can still make the rules and the story but everything else should be managed by AI, they are much better.
>>743809986Things started to go to shit when Unity and Unreal Engine lowered the bar of entry allowing previously filtered retards to flood the store with their asset flop derivative slop. Now we get to deal with people who couldn't even clear that bar empowered with technology that is especially proficient at making that kind of content
>>743831079They were right. People can't do mental math for shit anymore.
>>743831820anecdotally, ai can also help make new gameplayi've wanted to do some complex physics stuff which realistically you'd need a degree to figure out. I know math but not everyone can know everything, and AI is smart enough now to handle the physics implementation for me. i've also seen some navier-stokes based gameplay elements which have never appeared in games until now because the math is so specific. so it can open up a lot of potential new cool stuff for games in the future based on niche white papers only like 100 people in the world understand
>>743832293AIs(ChatGPT, Grok, etcetera) most likely pull shitty Indian code, though
>it is very good bread sir you will dough the kneadful>BLOODY BITCH DOG BASTARD WHY ARE YOU LABELING THE INGREDIENTS AND MANUFACTURING NUMBERSWhy do they get upset when you put information on products?
if you can't be assed to make the fucking game yourself, why should I play it?
>>743806847guess you outta let the government track your internet footprint huh?
>>743833223Because it's fun.
why are there no "black or transgender developer worked on this" disclosures and filters?
>>743833223>letting AI write the code means you didn't design the levels, concept mechanics, etc
>>743806635i agree, AI fags are out of touch with what the consumer wants.
it’ll be the same as foods labeled as “bioengineered” if the game is good or addicting enough people will buy it anyways
>>743811794>only one anon made this postman fuck this place
>>743834343sure, you "designed" the levels, and I expect the effort put into them to be minimal considering you couldn't even put the time in to learn to code, so I'm still not buying your game.
>>743806635Can a game that uses AI assets or code still be good? Sure. Of course it can be. Is AI usage still heavily, heavily correlated with absolute garbage and utter shit quality? Yes. Yes it is. If your game uses AI I will on good statistical grounds assume your game is shit and not worth playing. And if it's actually good somehow then that'll be unexpected and a surprise.
>>743835034Does the quality suddenly become bad before or after you find out its AI?
>>743807062This shouldn't be allowed. We shouldn't be gatekeeping game development.
Linus now allows AI code for the Linux Kernel. So are we a few weeks away from steamos AI warning?
>>743807189blody bastard benchod hijra you are hijra if you do not redeem the ai saar
>>743832731Who fucking cares?
>>743808764If boycotting a game because it was made by leftists is valid then the same is valid for AI.
>>743835218It matters like any counterfeit item. Does it matter before or after the customer finds that it's a cheap replica? In parallel, should we replace all ingredients with bugs and artificial flavors and not tell the customers to show that they in fact like to eat ze bugs?Or better than all other questions, why lie? Why not be proud of your AI? Why not spite the luddites if they are a minority by proving gen ai makes better games? Why shit in peoples meals, let them eat it and THEN disclose it? Why?
>>743835861World's not black and white anon. Boycotting AI is retarded.
>>743835952So you're saying AI is like fast food and some people enjoy a cheap replica over the original?
>>743836106>answering with a questionRashjeet... Let's make a deal, I'll answer your question after mine :)
>>743806635I know what you areYou just lost -9999 izzat btw.In the next life you will be reincarnated as Indian again .Try to be a decent human being, maybe next life you will go up in value and be reincarnated as a cockroach .
>>743836090It's a free country and I wanna boycott shit that I don't like.Today it's niggers and troons, tomorrow it's pajeets and their AIslop.Cry about it.
>>743836225Sounds to me you were saying AI is just lower quality ingredients and nothing more my friend.But that's the downside of using a food analogy I'm afraid.
>>743835218Does it really matter that you're eating bugs? You liked them before I told you!
>>743835218>Does the quality suddenly become bad before or after you find out its AI?It matters always. But as I said. The AI doesn't really mean the game is good or bad. But it correlates with it being shit. If the game is actually good, it might be an exception. But if it's shit that'd be no surprise at all then if it uses AI. The finding out it uses AI doesn't change the quality, but it does track.
>>743836610I bet you were gobstopped when you found out how jello was made.
>>743836563>But that's the downside of using a food analogy I'm afraid.That's a good self-analysis Diksuk! You've correctly identified not only that you've used a food analogy in your reply (>>743836106) but also that it's of poor quality.Anyways, while I'm waiting for your high quality reply, I'll just watch this in the mean time:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V2Of4Jpp7s
>>743836746Shilling is against the rules.
>>743836971Tell that to OP.
anti ai rhetoric is all just gaslighting spewed by troon game devs and troon artists who are buttmad they wasted years on what could be made in seconds
>>743836746that last part was kinda cringe anon
>>743807062and so the aislop indian tide is stemmed, for now
>>743837050>>743836971
>>743807062Kek.
>>743812293i would much rather have the useless flavor text be a copy pasted>A pair of gloves made of leather.instead of>these gloves arent just leather — they're tanned leather.ontop of that if the dev is too lazy to write five words for filler items and told the AI to do it, then how can i trust that the dev wasnt too lazy for more important things?
>>743807062So what happens if the developer doesn't disclose it.
>>743809569Jeets were caught generating cp on chatgpt recently but ok
>>743837245Not everyone can be randy epic pitchfork.
>>743837257nothing until somebody notices and reports youand then the problem begins because it becomes elligible for refunds and can spiral into reviewbombing and so much moreso you either accept taking the loss or pretend for as long as you can
the reason people hate AI in creative work is because they're still basically still making the equivalent of mangled hands and fingers when it's mainly them doing all the work. And their style is recognisable as slop.
>>743837456Artists aren't known to be the brightest.
It's very fucking simple:If AI is so good and these filthy troons whom you actively hate wouldn't buy your game anyway then why do you have to hide it?Why do you have to deceive people?
>>743810296>The weirdest lie capitalism has ever gotten anyone to believe was that price and cost were meaningfully related in any way.You're retarded. If you have a product that costs almost nothing to make, but charge a ton of money, somebody else will come along and steal your market. >I have no idea what makes people think this Because their mental model of the world reaches further back than 20 minutes. They just look at the million of times this happened in the real world. >Price is whatever the market will bearYou have this one little half-truth that you didn't fully understand and your retarded mind tricked you into thinking that you have it all figured out now. People who sell stuff are part of the market, people who could sell stuff in the future are as well.
>>743834746It's too brown and young here to recognize good music.
>>7438095691/10 bait
>/v/ will use any excuse to be "non-buynary">AI becomes a popular pretense not to support something>"UHHH NOW WE LOVE IT CUZ IT OWNS THE LIBS"
>>743811141Informally people seem to be using "generative AI" to mean anything descended from post-2022 transformer-based LLMs and diffusion image models. Older ML systems like photoshop's content-aware fill or speedtree don't seem to count as AI in people's minds.
>>743811479
>>743837704So what, do they think its just fucking magic?
>>743837701But this entire thread is others trying to convert us from non-buynary to ai-game-buynari. We want to remain non-buynary.
Anything that lowers the barrier of entry of a medium is bad, and if you disagree you don't understand why gatekeeping is necessary.
>>743824230>12 pack absis this achievable natty?
>>743812005>Yeah AI writing in games makes no sense. How hard is it to write a sentenceThe hardest thing in all of creative media. That's why even 300m blockbusters have shit writing more often than not.
>>743811006Jews based as always. Indians goy cattle as always
>>743812293You're retardedinstead of putting AI text into yourgame, you should just put this in to not waste people's time:
>>743837847This raises the barrier-- capable people will have a profound understanding of how to use these tools & multiply their efforts to produce greater work in less time.The people making slop will be ignored, as always. If you still actively expose yourself to bad games, I dont know what to tell you.
>>743807714Yeah but developers want to do that and not say, because they despise the ignorant masses with their idiot opinions, who unfortunately must be convinced to buy their games.
>>743837936The bar is even sadly lower now because we're in the "At least its not AI" era of writing.
>>743811006>below GermanyJews are in fact better than white people
>>743832293AI code is pajeet code
>>743837789I kind of understand it because those tools felt more like helping hands. They made things a bit easier but you were still doing almost all of the work and setting the entire creative direction. You couldn't content-aware-fill an entire scene, it was just to make removing objects from backgrounds a bit less tedious.Very different from stable diffusion etc where you get a complete image immediately. Maybe you edit it instead of using it as-is, maybe you even edit it heavily... still different from drawing the image yourself.
>>743809570>Why are you so upset about trannies?they flood my wank material sites with groids
>>743808764>But what if... I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as my own cooking?
>>743825132As much as artists are fags, they are at least united in fighting for their survivalProgrammers aped full force into technology that is now proving to be effective primarily in replacing them. They will then tell you how they are safe because they are "engineers" not "coders"All that IQ just to be more stupid than a furry porn tans faggot
>>743837789AI is a marketing term first and foremost because it's supposed to sound cool that a computer can generate an entire movie from a single prompt. Nobody really cares about the math behind it.You can act as if coloring or magic wand was basically the same as LLMs but you're gonna be laughed at for that and rightfully so.
>>743812190You're dumb. People just want to express themselves and the easier that gets the more people do it.
>>743806635If consumers are fine with AI like you claim, then it doesn't matter.If consumers enjoy AI like you claim, then this should be a selling point.
>>743837754
>>743838695You're not expressing yourself through AI. It's like saying that your doordash is a homecooked meal.
>>743838528>Called Magic wand>Its Magicoooooooh!
>>743830435>can't defend itYou lost, jeet.
>>743811302>every single person in this thread used AItrvke
