If you're a gamer, here is some etiquette you guys really need to learn.>Stop refunding games because they're short.Short games have a place in the market. Not every game needs to be a 1000h time-waster.Some games are at their best when they're only a couple of hours long.The refund culture is insanely toxic and makes it difficult to make short story games.>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.Developers are not obligated to dedicate their life to someone who paid $6 for a video game once.We have to move on to the next game to make end's meet. >Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.Modern games are made to ship as fast as possible. The downside of a game taking 1 year to release instead of 4 years, is that the game's performance is going to suffer.If you have a potato PC, you have no right to complain about anything. It is on YOU to upgrade your hardware. >Stop comparing game prices.Yes, Terraria is cheap. But it can afford to be cheap because it has an insanely high number of sales. The developer is set for life.Don't complain that a game with a 10th of the content of Terraria costs more than Terraria. It's unfair.>Don't pretend we're richMost of us take home about just above a third of our gross profits.Let's say we made $10,000 in a month. Sounds great, right?However, if you factor in Steam's cut, sale's tax, publisher's cut, income tax, you'll likely be left with around $3,500.>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Take RimWorld, for example. Game made it to 1.0 with overwhelmingly positive reviews and no DLC.Years later, with DLCs like Biotech out, people have started to pretend that DLC is required to 'fully enjoy' the game and that 'essentials are missing from the base game'.I am sorry, but these DLCs didn't exist before and the game was just as popular and well-recieved then. You are full of shit.
Shit bait, i ain't reading all that
>>743952389Fair but you literally killed your entire argument with picrel
Not reading all that, post idols
posting in an epic reddit thread
refunding short games is penny sniffing pinnochiolike behavior
Arisu sexo
>>743952389I dont care. I wish all game developers die a painful death
What games do hebes develop?
I actually like Momoka more.
>>743952389>Game Developer HereThat pic better be illustrating your game's concept.
not reading all thatyou deserve shityour sequel will alineate the fanbase that supported youso fuck youyour patches will censor the gameso fuck you
objectively correct. however>end's meetopinion discarded
>>743952728This. Faggots be saying all that only for their "game" to be some 2D transition sim.
>>743952550>>743952645
if your shit game can run on a consoleyour shit game should run in any pc with the gpu released in the same year the console started productionkill yourself waste of oxygen
>>743952389>Some games are at their best when they're only a couple of hours long.Yeah. We used to call those Flash games.
didn't read
didn't read lolif your game is less than 2 hours then you don't deserve my money
>>743952389Stop making games for profit and start making games because you enjoy doing so. You're not entitled to my money/time just because you spent time doing something.Thankyou have a nice day.
>>743952728No way in hell I am associating my game with a controversial post on 4chan. >>743952787You... you realize that we dedicate years of our life spending 7 days a week, 10 hours a day, working on something with a below minimum wage return rate, right?>>743953010Let me guess, flash games used to be free, therefore all games that match high-quality flash games ought to be free, too?>>743953101>Stop making games for profit You'll learn why this is not anywhere near as clever as you think it is once you finish high school and move out.>You're not entitled to my money/time Great! Then don't waste your time writing a negative review, either. It's all a waste of time, after all, right?
>>743952389Other gamedev hereGo ahead and refund as much as you want, it doesn't actually cost devs money. We just see an increase to the refund percentage and maybe any notes you leave.Better to just pirate in the first place, though
>>743953258What the fuck do you get out of lying on 4chan? You can debunk your own post in a single Google search, fuck's sake.
>>743952389All I care about is if the game dev is woke or not. If they're not, they get my support. If they are in fact woke, you can get fucked.Why is that the only thing I care about? You motherfuckers inserted politics into everything, and now everything looks like a target.
>>743953258No, the point OP was making that people were refunding short games after theyve completed them, which means they basically played the game for free without pirating it
>>743952389if you are a game dev, you do not to deserve to be paid
>>743953227>You'll learn why this is not anywhere near as clever as you think it is once you finish high school and move out.I'm in my 40s with a wife and a full time job. If I can still manage to put 40h/week into my hobbies, you can too.>Great! Then don't waste your time writing a negative review, either. It's all a waste of time, after all, right?Helping others avoid wasting money isn't a waste of time., because if others are doing this too then I can avoid having my time wastes.
>>743952389Bro, this is not for you. Get a job a bank, or some legacy institution. Making games is not a stable career, is not a safe way to earn a living. You do it because you love it.
>>743952618spbp
>>743952389What do you mean we don't have a right to complain about game optimization? This is one of the most important things when it comes to game development. Look at Deltarune chapter 3 & 4, the game is so poorly optimized that C3-4 still has C1 assets in the game files even if they're ununsed. And the game is locked to 30 FPS. We have a right to complain about these things.
>>743952389I began reading your post and was going to say you just need to stop delivering your points like an arrogant faggot if you want people to listen, then I read the third one and now I'm wondering if you're a slowburn troll or an actual faggot.
>>743952389>Modern games are made to ship as fast as possiblelol. lmao, even
>>743952389>Take RimWorld, for example. Game made it to 1.0 with overwhelmingly positive reviews and no DLC.>Years later, with DLCs like Biotech out, people have started to pretend that DLC is required to 'fully enjoy' the game and that 'essentials are missing from the base game'.>I am sorry, but these DLCs didn't exist before and the game was just as popular and well-recieved then. You are full of shit.Kill yourself. Rimworld was always a barren shallow game, and gating shit like Ideology behind a paywall is pure scum behavior.
As a person that plays video games, if you're not working for a company that's been making games since the 1980s then don't bother.
>>743952389What is it with leftists and words words words? I aint readin all that and I aint buyin your game.
>>743953795Tell that to the creator of meccha chameleon that just became a millionaire lol
>>743953227Kill yourself
>>743952389The most low effort bait I've seen all year.
>>743953497>f I can still manage to put 40h/week into my hobbies, you can too.Gamedev is not just a side-hobby. Solo developers genuinely have to invest more than 8 hours every single day to get anywhere. >>743953617>This is one of the most important things when it comes to game development. Obsessing over optimization in 2026 is a huge noob trap. The most important part of game development is rapid prototyping and creating a maintainable code base that you can procedurally add features to.Optimization is a distant third in terms of importance and possibly the biggest time-waster of game development ever.If you want to wait an additional year inbetween each chapter release, be my guest.>>743953715Ideology didn't exist when RW already had 100k reviews at overwhelmingly positive. You are full of shit.
>>743953869>but, but, but... look at this one outlier that made it!!!
>>743952389What are they showing her?
>>743952389I will refund, pirate and wish for all woke devs' death.
>>743953986>Ideology didn't exist when RW already had 100k reviews at overwhelmingly positive.>You are full of shit.Appeal to the herd is not an argument, filthy normalfag scum. Rimworld is one of the many games beloved by low IQs like yourself who have no taste and no idea of what a good game is.
>>743952389I have never refunded an indie game.
Just stop publishing bait and switch scams and start making real games. Simple as.
>>743952389As a game developer, I need to push back hard on most of these points—because they're bad for players AND bad for the industry long-term. Here's why:---On refunding short games:Refunds aren't killing short games—pricing transparency is. If you charge $60 for a 2-hour experience without disclosing that, refunds are the only check on that. Short games thrive when they're priced honestly (e.g., Journey, Untitled Goose Game). Blaming refunds for your failed launch is misdirected—players refund because they felt misled, not because games are short.On updates:You're right that you're not obligated, but players aren't wrong to expect bug fixes for a product they bought. "Fully released" doesn't mean "broken." If you ship with game-breaking issues and abandon it, that's not "moving on"—that's abandonware. Players remember that.On optimization:This is just wrong. "Ship fast" is a business choice, not an inevitability. Indie devs optimize beautifully on shoestring budgets. Telling players to "upgrade" ignores that the same PC ran last year's games fine—this year's unoptimized mess is on you, not them. "Potato PC" is classist and lazy.On pricing comparisons:Terraria's success doesn't invalidate value comparisons. Players compare value per dollar—that's rational. If your game has 1/10th the content, price it accordingly or market it differently. Complaining that consumers notice value is anti-consumer.On dev income:Yes, gross ≠ net. But that's true for every business—and players know this. The solution isn't guilt-tripping them; it's pricing sustainably and being upfront about costs. Players aren't your accountants.On DLC:RimWorld was complete at 1.0—true. But when DLC adds core mechanical depth that feels missing on replay, players aren't "full of shit"—they're reacting to design evolution. If Biotech feels essential, that means you made great DLC—but also that you shifted expectations. Own it, don't gaslight your fans.
>>743952389>>Stop refunding games because they're short.Make a game over 2 hours long retard, otherwise make it a free browser game
If your game can be beaten in two hours under any circumstances, it does not deserve to be paid for.
Actual gamedev here.I love making vidyagaems.I mostly make freeware because I dont care if you pirate it and I have an actual dayjob that keeps me from starving.Ive been maintaining one of my games for almost 20 years and Im tickled that there are still people who actively play it.Short games should always just be free or so cheap that it'd take more effort than its worth to request a refund.Never pay more than 20 dollars for a videogame. I don't care if inflation changes how much that statement held in 1990's context, 20 bux is 20 bux.I am otherwise invisible, you will never see me on social media websites and the rare times I do pop up you wouldnt be able to connect my dev accounts to any personal accounts.
>>743953364Yeah I'd prefer they pirate, but if the experience ends and the player doesn't see any reason to keep the game (or actively thinks it's dogshit) then they should 100% refund. It just means it didn't work out with that customer>>743953342The dev payout window being larger than the refund window covers this. Like Steamworks mentions that the March 30th payout covers the sales for February (https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/finance/payments_salesreporting/faq)So for a dev there is no cost, the credit and debit will perfectly cancel each other out before you would ever get paid for that unit. Valve eats the associated chargeback costs, but there can be an issue if you're paying for any hosted servers (like Zomboid had an issue with)
>>743952389>game developer (read: troon) hereThat's where I stopped reading.
>>743952389>>Stop refunding games because they're short.Then make your game $3 and not shitty. Problem solved.
>>743952389How about you just make better games instead? No one owes you money for anything and your entitled attitude only scares away people who might have otherwise given you a chance. If you were actually selling something or doing something useful for society then you might have had a point but your literally selling data on a disk that functions like toys for adults and children, hardly something I would call necessary for human survival and/or comfort.
>>743952389>Pedo hereTL;DR too.
>>743953986>Gamedev is not just a side-hobby. Solo developers genuinely have to invest more than 8 hours every single day to get anywhere. You're not beholden to time constraints because you're not doing it to survive retard. Also you can get a lot done on the side. If I can make a fully fledged 3d engine with physics and voxel destruction in a week from scratch, there's no reason you can't have a fully working game in a year.Not to mention, the 40h/week is my minimum. I usually pull 60h/week. And when I take a week off from work like I did last week I can easily dump 140h into whatever Im doing.
>>743954196>If Biotech feels essential, that means you made great DLC—but also that you shifted expectations. Own it, don't gaslight your fans.I quit on that dogshit game after Ideology, but I distinctly remember that Rimworld had explicit lore about genetic modifications and different human subspecies as a result of it and designer mates and furfags and everything else. It felt weird as fuck that not a single such specimen ever survived a trip or a crash landing on a rimworld considering ours had an occasional wealthy aristocrat even before that psyker garbage.Fast forward to today and the core part of the world is sold separately by the greediest kike in the entire indie scene. One man Paradox.
>>743952389I will never buy a game
>>743954183>Just stop publishing bait and switch scams and start making real games.The sad reality of the market is that most developers can't make their dream game and have to resort to much more shallow games that superficially make more sense to market.Look up BiteMe Games on Steam, they're releasing slop after slop because they're trying to stay alive.>>743954273Read Steam's ToS. Refunding games to play them for free is strictly against the rules. You're abusing Steam's faith in gamers' honesty.>>743954485I document new releases on Steam. I know better than 99.99% of people on the planet how games are pricing themselves, and I can tell you, short games almost always aptly price themselves at just a few dollars.
tldrkys
>>743952389Gamer here,WORK HARDER YOU LOWLY BITCH YOUR EXISTENCE IS FULLY ABOUT TO FUEL MY DESIRES PIG
>>743954867This, if you choose to be a whore then don't complain when you get slapped around like one.
>>743953227> You... you realize that we dedicate years of our life spending 7 days a week, 10 hours a day, working on something with a below minimum wage return rate, right?Gee, I wonder who made the choice to do that.
>>743952389did not read
>>743952389Didn't read, sex with Arisu
>>743953227brain too small to come up with more than 2 hours of content
>>743952389You won't get through people that want to fuck with you, they could easily pirate a game but they choose to refund and make you miserable. Gabe should adjust the refund time for small developers, 10 minutes should be enough to decide wether a game was worth the asking price
>>743952389>>>/vg/575111083
My game has 12% refund rate but 15% bought-it-but-never-played-it rate so it's fine.
>>743954553stop playing games
>>743955026>10 min>When players will need to most likely set up graphics, audio and controls in a non-retarded way in order to fix whatever sorry excuse of a "default" that the devs set for the game on startupGood one anon
>>743955148
>>743955148Lolno, what are you gonna do about it bitchboy? Nothing? That's right.
>>743952389Hey game dev. I won't buy your slop. Have a nice day.
lolinigger finally found a way to spam his shitty images without getting jannied
I keep telling my fellow dumbass devs that Steam's generous refund policy results in MORE money for everybody, not less. Valve are the only ones actually losing money with every refund, but they did the numbers and know players will spend more if they know they can refund anything.
>>743952389>lust provoking image>time wasting retarded spiel
>>74395502610 minutes is too short to get a good feel of something. 30 minutes I think hits the sweetspot.>>743954553>How about you just make better games instead? I am not talking about game quality. I am talking about gamers who are trying to ruin our careers DESPITE enjoying our games. I am seeing people brag about refunding a game that they admitted they ENJOYED.>If you were actually selling something or doing something useful for society then you might have had a point >hardly something I would call necessary for human survival I don't know where you live, but here in first world our life is defined by the forms of entertainment we consume, not by how much access we have to food and water.>>743955414>Valve are the only ones actually losing money with every refund, You are losing sales as a game developer to people who abuse the system to play games for free. Enough said.
>>743955462>You are losing sales as a game developer to people who abuse the system to play games for free.Losing sales is not losing money. When someone buys my game and refunds it, I'm at net zero while Valve is not. And while some people abuse the refund system, others are making up for it by buying and keeping games they otherwise wouldn't have bought if they didn't know refunds were always an option. More money for everybody, except gamercattle obviously. Enough said.
>>743952389If I can finish your game to completion in the return window. It is not worth my money..If you refuse to patch your game. I will tell internet your game is not worth buying because the devs refuse to support their product. I kinda of agree. If you were a good developer your game would be optimized well enough to run my potato.I will judge the value of DLC on a case by case basis. If you lock too much content behind dlc that frankly should have been in the base game. Especially if you launch a game with the dlc as separate entity to inflate the value of your game. Then we have a fucking problem.
>>743955443>>>/vt/ranny
>>743952389I haven't watched, played or read any Idolmaster or Love Live product. There was a collab for both in one game I play(ed), however.
>>743952389You need our money so you don't get to make demands.
>>743955624>Losing sales is not losing money.If I expect $2,000 to cover my basic needs, and refund abusers take away $200 (10%), then it's still a problem.
>>743952550>>743952645Kusoge!
>>743955702With generous refunds: 10 people buy your game, 2 refund it, 8 keep it.Without restricted refunds:6 people buy your game, 4 decide not to risk it and instead buy something with more and better reviews.
>>743953227tldr belly ToTnavel cvmshot
Yes.
>>743955178>set up graphics of a game that can be beat in under 2 hoursTotalbiscuit has been dead for quite a while, no indie is catering to his autismal desire to spend 15 minutes going on retarded detail for options to inflate the lenght of his videos.
>>743955829With generous refunds and honest gamers:10 people buy your game, 1 refunds it, 9 keep it.
>>743955248I'll draw you pregnant
>>743955901Ok, but restricting refunds will reduce the amount of money you get to keep. And reduce the amount of money that Valve earns. Which is why they have a refund policy that's more generous than it legally has to be.
>>743952389If you're a videogame developer, here is some etiquette you guys really need to learn>Don't tell us what to doSelf explanatory>Make videogames that caters to usUnless you don't want our moneySee? We're easier to please than you guys
Yeah I agree with this. Not a developer. Especially point one. Ive always found dollar per hour ratios such a trash way to view gaming. It isnt even new, this was happening on the PS2. A Jarpig can last me 50 hours so why would I buy anything else?As a frequent shmup enjoyer im fine with "only 30 minutes of content".
>>743955462>I'M A COONSOOMER AND IF YOU AREN'T LIKE MEN THEN YOUR BAD!'Gotcha and no, people who refund only do it out of spite for something. Lets just leave steam out of the picture for a moment and look at it from a broader perspective.The only people who ever bother going back with items to stores for a refund or trade have to overcome the following mental hurdles first:>They need to think about if it's worth their effort/time to go back to the store and dealing with them again instead of just throwing the item away>Once they do, they need to weigh the costs in time and money that it would take them to get there and calculate how much of a return they would get>Lastly, they need to make a new choice on what to buy again and our brains HATE indecisionSure, steam is a bit different since the barrier for a refund is a LOT smaller unless you consider the fact that steam can just straight up ban you from ever doing refunds again if they think your abusing the system and as an absolute worst case scenario they can outright ban your account or delete it entierly.So, with this in mind you'd have to do something to REALLY piss your customers (players) off in order for them to go through the effort of refunding and yeah, there are nutcases everywhere so they might be pissed off at a hat being the wrong color or whatever but they are a tiny minority of any human population and both normal stores and Steam has plenty of safeguards that they have either set up themselves or that the government has set up for them in order to protect from edge cases like that.
>>743955992I'd like see you to come to the gym and say that to my face
>>743955982Just fostering a culture of honest customers who don't abuse the refund system to penny-pinch a $2 game (of which a developer only sees 80 cents of) is enough for me.
>>743953869You can win the lottery and earn more with less effort, happens every year.
>>743952389Me showing Arisu a 10 hour tiktok compilation to smooth her brain.
>>743952389I've never refunded a game but I'd refund yours as my first, assuming I bought the game of someone who posts reddit bait on /v/ somehowAlso would leave a negative review just to be rude and spiteful, even though I've never actually left a negative review because I just review games I liked to boost them. You are mean and silly and probably have a small penis with no foreskin and that's why you're always mad.
Gamers are like women on dating apps: breathtakingly entitled, spoiled for choice while complaining how shitty everything is, always demanding more and more while offering less and less, and punishing those at the bottom for the sins of those at the top
>>743952389>RE: Stop refunding games because they're short.That's just common sense. The only people who refund short games are clearly those with bad intentions.>RE: You are not owed an update for a fully released game.I agree, but I also think that with that mentality, developers should open-source their game's code so that anyone who wants to can create fan-made versions of it and give back to the community.That's why Doom mods are still a thing more than 30 years later.>RE: Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.It depends. There are games that look like PS2-PS3 titles and, for some reason, consume a lot of resources.Yes, it can be optimized, and system resource usage can be reduced.>RE: Stop comparing game prices.No. The fact that the game costs $20 and is better than a AAA game priced at $70–80 is not even a comparison, it's a reflection of the problems in the industry and the poor treatment of consumers.>RE: Don't pretend we're rich.It is your responsibility to use the resources you have in the most optimal way possible. I have seen a thousand and one games that burn money in production or completely restart development from scratch.You don’t have infinite money, but you have the obligation to manage it properly.>RE: Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game".DLCs should be additional content that in no way affects the game's story or the overall experience. If you sell a game with mandatory DLC required to fully enjoy the complete experience, you are morally deceiving the consumer.>P.S.Momoka > Arisu>P.S. 2Add more support for Linux.
If you're a developer, here is some etiquette you guys really need to learn.WE WANT BIG BOOBS AND SLUTTY OUTFITS FOR WOMENWE DONT WANT 40 year old midwives swinging two handed axes and GIRLBOSSING any of their dialogue.WE DONT WANT ROMANCE ESPECIALLY NOT INTERRACIAL ROMANCEWE DONT WANT GAYS OR TRANNIESWE WANT A GAME THAT IS NEW AND EXCITING NOT A REMAKE OR REHASH OF THE ENTIRE GENRE WITH NEWLY ADDED DANGERHAIRS AS THE "ATTRACTIVE" FEATURE
>release bad/mediocre product >exercise my right as a customer>I’m the bad guyAre you sure you didn’t mean “game journo here” OP?
>>743952389Are you that guy? Who got his shortslop game refunded and angry at steam?
>>743956438Based penguinfag
>>743956239I assume their pushing it to have a term with less baggage.
>>743956519Yes
>>743956528>their pushing it"THEY ARE" pushing it.
>>743954794>The sad reality of the market is that Not my problem.
>>743953973And yet people are still replying to it
I get really sad when I see Idolmaster threads. The girls are so cute but they would never go for a fat loser like me. I can't fap to most idolmaster doujins in good faith because I know they wouldn't like me.
>>743956239they are retards who parrot the 'blurring the lines between fiction and reality' efforts by genuine pedos>>743956528yes sure let's replace a term that has been only used for fictional characters for decades with a term that was always used for real people, i'm sure this will never cause any problems
>>743952389Good afternoon, I want to have sex with Tachibana Arisu
>>743956348We are unfortunately stuck in a perpetual war against spiteful gamers, largely because you lot are very immature.That's why I am not *ever* posting my game here. >>743956438>but I also think that with that mentality, developers should open-source their game's code so that anyone who wants to can create fan-made versions of it and give back to the community.Open-sourcing my game implies that anyone could just build their own instance and put it up online, thus cutting off a significant portion of my revenue.>There are games that look like PS2-PS3 titles and, for some reason, consume a lot of resources.Graphics are totally irrelevant to performance in indie games. It's usually bottlenecks in your code that chug your CPU.>Yes, it can be optimized, and system resource usage can be reduced.That's... largely irrelevant, considering we're talking about development time vs. performance. Ideally we live off of UBI and have unlimited time to develop our dream games, but that's not the reality we live in.>The fact that the game costs $20 and is better than a AAA game priced at $70–80 is not even a comparison, "better" is subjective. Movie games are not strictly inferior to gameplay games in an objective sense. Some people just prefer one over the other, and one of them costs more to produce.>DLCs should be additional content that in no way affects the game's story or the overall experience. That's your unsubstantiated opinion. RimWorld was feature complete before DLCs.
>>743956049>calling those mental hurdlesSays more about you than anyone else.
>>743956239Loli can mean anything depending on who you ask. Hebe is more specific and implies puberty.
>itt: zoomers not falling for obvious trolling challenge (impossible). >>743956895Anon, they’re anime girls - idealized images of the flawed objects we call “women”. If anime girls were real, they would absolutely love a fat loser like you. >>743956964This except for the oppai part
>>743957236>>itt: zoomers not falling for obvious trolling challenge (impossible).Where is the trolling? If I am trolling, then I must have a very boring life, because my arguments are not exciting or mischievous in an amusing way.
lolis are cringe, milfs are where it's at, especially when it's a shota that's fucking them
>>743953227>No way in hell I am associating my game with a controversial post on 4chanlemme guess, you made some generic UE or Unity project that is about 1 1/2 hours and gots mixed to bad reviews on steam. Not our fault your project was rehashed garbage. You are not entitled to a profit if you make a crap product. Doesn't matter if its a vidya or any other product.
Holy fuck, new janny, can at least try to be more subtle that you're a redditor.
>>743952389YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME ETIQUETTE
>>743956076you better shut up, or I'll open the sprinklers again Brock
>>743954196/thread
>>743957490and the s is always me
>>743957529I am not dumb enough to start giving tips on which games I've shipped on Steam.>Not our fault your project was rehashed garbage. My latest game was well-recieved, actually. >You are not entitled to a profit if you make a crap product. Just as you're not entitled to perpetual content updates or a refund (if you liked the game).
>>743952389>Stop refunding games because they're short.I refund games because they're not replayable. Get it right. It's not my fault you make disposable slop for the masses.>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.Key word being "fully released". If you release a game that blatantly has the stench of early access on it, then yes I'm gonna demand you finish it.>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.Don't spend 500 billion dollars on graphics and celebrity voice actors then, you retard. The rocks you find in a random field do not need to have one million polygons.>Stop comparing game prices.Terraria can afford to be cheap because the devs decided to focus on GAMEPLAY instead of faggots trying to be the next realistic hollywood walking simulator. Again that's a (You) problem. >Don't pretend we're richThen stop acting like you're rich. Do you really need a 500,000 dollar a month apartment in san francisco? Did anyone force you to buy that 50,000 dollar coffee machine? How about you not hire a mountain of HR managers and diversity hires? Games used to be capable of being made with as few as 5 people.>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Then stop chopping out content and reselling it to me later. tl;dr suck my nuts and get back to work making my video games, you whiny shmuck.
>>743956076You already failed the >Don't tell us what to dopart
>>743952389you are still complaining people won't play a game that's not at least 5-20h long for $5-15? LOL.
>>743957490>/ss/cuck just can't help himself and has to tell everyone about his cuck fantasies
>>743952389ARISU SEX
>>743957778>Terraria can afford to be cheap because the devs decided to focus on GAMEPLAY instead of faggots trying to be the next realistic hollywood walking simulator. ... No? Tons of games emphasize gameplay, but over 95% of them don't even make minimum wage.Terraria is hugely popular, which is why it can afford to stay at a low price tag and work on free updates.
>>743957040>spiteful gamersand you are a spiteful dev, it's very obvious from what you wrote. why are you even making games in the first place? you don't have to, there's like 1000 games a day coming out on steam anyway, we have a bunch of stuff to play. 1$ per hour of quality game is still how I make my purchase decisions. if you can't match that, that's a you issue. there are a ton of games that do. I won't refund a 2$ game with a 2$ runtime. I will if it's substantially more expensive than that.you want to know the reality? saying video games as an industry is oversaturated is very far off the mark. 99.9% of games literally do not need to be made and add nothing to the medium. This is quite simply seen in the amount of games that are top like 0.1% in sales if they sell 100 copies. unless you make the game for your own personal enjoyment, it's a fruitless endeavor. >>743957712>My latest game was well-recieved, actually. its funny how every indie dev says this lmao and got "big sells" (10 current players record)
>>743957881>He thinks /ss/chads don't fantasizes themselves as the shotas
>>743957881more like kiwifarms retard can't stop telling others what's approved fetish and what's not.
>>743952389You aren't game developer just a DEI trying to excuse his pay necause he needs the money for pills.YWNBARW!!.
>>743952389who asked
>>743957884>... No? Tons of games emphasize gameplay, but over 95% of them don't even make minimum wage.Because those "games" end up to be stupid propaganda simulators where the dev just wants to vent about their personal life or politics. They care little about the actual game itself, it's just a vehicle to cry about drumph or something.>Terraria is hugely popular, which is why it can afford to stay at a low price tag and work on free updates.And do you know how it got popular? By being a good game.
>>743957976>and you are a spiteful dev, I am not spiteful, at all.I make cheap games for fun and most of my customers are respectful :)>there's like 1000 games a day coming out on steam anywayIt's about 50 (commercial) games per day. On some days, that number is closer to 20. There are patterns to game releases.I literally document Steam releases every single day.>This is quite simply seen in the amount of games that are top like 0.1% in sales if they sell 100 copies. That's... just untrue. Again, I document steam releases and track their review counts. It's nowhere near as bleak as you make it out to be.>>743958239>Because those "games" end up to be stupid propaganda simulators The overwhelming majority of games have nothing to do with politics. See above, I actually track them.
>>743952389In this thread: independent dev makes a low effort game with an hour of content and seethes at Steam’s refund policy but is trying to mask it by posting other irrelevant shit
>i make games that are engaging and interesting for 2 hours or less and seethe when people finish them and want their money back because it was a bad value>i dont update my games once they're released and seethe at people who ask for or expect it>i refuse to optimize my game for anyone, upgrade ur pc poorfags lmao>i overcharge for my 2 hour walking simulator about my transition and that's MY RIGHT!!!!>despite calling u all poorfags for having shit PCs, im actually a poorfag too haha!!! DONATE MORE MONEY SO I CAN AFFORD ESTROGEN PLS>i nickel and dime my playerbase by selling my game piecemeal and get mad at people who notice my jew tacticsThis isn't your average everyday faggotry.This is ADVANCED faggotry.
I pirate indieslop and pay full price for AAAkino
>>743952389Don't care retard, get substituted by chatgpt
>>743958431nta and this is unrelated but I have a dirty mind. I looked at that gif and how the hamster inhaled the entire drinking faucet and my mind went to places
>>743958397>The overwhelming majority of games have nothing to do with politics. See above, I actually track them.That's what they said about Yiik and Celeste.
>>743957986>i want to be a small dicked young boy being used/taken advantage of by a lesser being>chadPick one
>>743952389get a real job
I wonder if someone could have an AI chatbot try to analyze OP's posts and figure out if there's a specific game developer on steam whose efforts statistically match what the OP has described desu
>>743952389>However, if you factor in Steam's cut, sale's tax, publisher's cut, income tax, you'll likely be left with around $3,500.Take your publisher out then, you don't need publishers, they're decorations at best
>>743958802I don't have a publisher, but they're often vital for marketing and networking.
>>743958746>He thinks having sex with hot milfs isn't fucking awesomeShotas are lucky gigachads.
>>743958746Pretty sure there is a contingent of /ss/fags who self-insert as the small lads having their way with the adult woman.It's surprisingly realistic, too. I saw a video of a female teacher going on about how afraid she is for her life and how she had to evacuate entire classes of her students because of violent behavior by 8 year old boys. Imagine being afraid of a prepubescent. I bet she shlicks to that thought every night.
>>743958889>Pretty sure there is a contingent of /ss/fags who self-insert as the small lads having their way with the adult woman.Not just that, but /ss/fags who self-insert as the small lads fucking every woman that moves
>>743958851>for marketing and networking.That is something you should do yourselfor else the publisher will steal all your hard-earned money
Goyim should just shut up and give all of their money to G-d's Chosen People without expecting anything in return. Goyim are only good for exploiting, enslaving and torturing, especially that third one.
don't fucking get mad at other people for not enjoying or respecting your "art"if it is good enough and valuable enough you'll succeedyou are not a generational talent and you shouldn't be making games, you're just a vapid narcissist who VASTLY overestimates your talent and reach
>>743958746
>>743958856>he thinks having sex with used up loose hags who have taken countless dicks before is awesomeThere is a reason i call you /ss/cucks
I Don't care, you aren't owed sales or a profit. Go cry about it in your Discord.
>>743959442see >>743958889, >>743959128
>>743959442Dont pretend that as a kid you didn't ever think about someone else's mom or the teacher or similar.
Didn't read, don't care. Post more Arisu.
>>743952389here's something you need to learnsuck my fucking dick bitch. i'll complain about everything i don't like, i'll pirate every single game i play and there's nothing you can do about it. fuck off with your retarded nigger bullshit.
>>743959636imagine going to your bro's house and meeting his mom and going "man I really wanna fuck my bro's mom"
>>743952389>The refund culture is insanely toxic and makes it difficult to make short story games.Good, I don't want them, and as a consumer I should do what I'm able to steer the industry towards my interests.>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.Don't use UE5, simple as.>Stop comparing game prices.Money has value, buying a product is weighed against that value. >Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"If I know a game will have DLC, I will not buy the game until all the DLC is out.
>>743952389Game dev here, don't listen to this retard. Do whatever the fuck you want, he is just marketing
>>743952389fair points. Gamers won't care.
>>743952389Nice bait, most devs don't call their players "gamers" though. They call them "players." The other term is not even in their vernacular, which makes your bait immediately recognizable to other developers. By they way, I met Jonathan Blow at GDC. He was very shy, and he kept giggling when I asked to take a picture.
>>743952389Is this pasta?
>>743959636I have, but unlike you cucks, I'm not stuck in a juvenile fantasy.
I want to fuck big tiddy anime MILFs>>743959998>facedoxxing himselfAnon, no...>>743960027You mean you've actually fucked someone's mom?
>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.Was this written by an indie dev? Tell me why you motherfuckers are making PS1-era low-poly shit with hardly anything going on in the game, but it can't keep a consistent framerate on modern hardware?
>>743952974Gotta like a girl who knows what she wants.
>>743952974nta and I don't know what show Arisu is from (and atp I'm too afraid to ask), but is this real?If so, wtfit's like when that cardcaptor sakura girl was canonically groomed
>>743953497Having zero time constraints in your life is a bad thing actually. Use of your time feels more valuable if you have to spend a third of it each day doing something you don't really care about. People who solo dev in their mom's basement for 10 years do this only because they feel like their time is limitless. Someone with actual day to day obligations is more likely to actually finish something.
>>743960165There's a girl in the show who is in love with her father and wants to marry him.
>>743960207Whoops, sorry, meant for >>743953986
>>743960212what
>>743959804If your reaction image needs a caption to explain it then it is a shit reaction image.
>>743960331nta but by that logic so is yours
>>743960318
>>743960027>He actually had sexGet out, non-virginYou don't belong here
>game developer hereUntil all my games are uncensored and all the feminists are gone and exiled from the industry you can all eat shit, bye.
>>743960417fucking WHAT
>>743960318from wikipedia
>>743952389Probably pasta, but I wonder what sort of retard wrote this shit originally.
>>743954576>And when I take a week off from work like I did last week I can easily dump 140h into whatever Im doing.You aren't doing 20 hour days don't lie retard
>>743960093>Tell me why you motherfuckers are making PS1-era low-poly shit with hardly anything going on in the game, but it can't keep a consistent framerate on modern hardware?Graphics hardly have anything to do with performance in indie games, anymore.We use general-purpose engines, workflows and frameworks that aren't close to hardware, meaning we aren't making the same optimizations that people in the 90s were making.This allows solodevs to deliver games that would have taken professional teams 30 years in man hours, in just one or two years, but it also delegates most of the shortcuts to your CPU.Some developers however just make very obvious mistakes that don't make any sense in the engine they're using, creating unnecessary bottlenecks for themselves.If a game fails to run smoothly on modern hardware, it's usually because they're an amateur at software development and aren't making use of all the tools they have available.>>743960758They're most likely unemployed and still going to school and/ or living with their parents. Anyone who works 40 hours a week will attest to how difficult it is to find energy to pursue any hobby after waging all day. Thankfully I got out of the grind.
>>743960880>If a game fails to run smoothly on modern hardware, it's usually because they're an amateur at software development and aren't making use of all the tools they have available.Wow what a DORK! You're silly anon your unoptimized games are so silly and cute.
>>743960880a LOT of solo game devs are terrible at software development and coding and really honestly should just be making animations instead or working on someone else's dream project contributing their non-coding talents which are, in most cases, SIGNIFICANTLY better
today's trans character
>>743952389This is bait and all but I'm bored waiting at the vet so...>Stop refunding games because they're shortNo. I have only "played" one of these and refunded guilt free>You are not owed an update for a fully released gameDepends on if the dev promised more shit. If they did then they do indeed still owe the player base an update you lazy faggots >Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.Completely agree but >Modern games are made to ship as fast as possibleIs the line that tipped me off that this was 100% bait>Stop comparing game pricesI don't that's fucking retarded. If a games overpriced I say it's overpriced >Don't pretend we're richI don't I can do basic math and am well aware most indie devs aren't making much money on their hobby. That's why it's a hobby and not a job>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Go fuck yourself. Find he tallest building you can find before you take the plunge so you can think about it on the way down
>>743961024Valfaris dev is the only peak indie game developer, he knows his shit.
>>743961093wtf is this real
>>743961093she literally wasn't a male to female/any form of trans, you can tell a trans tourist from a mile away. trans "people" are a nuisance.
>>743957040Well you're a big stinky
Which one, /v/?
>>743961479I think the guy on the right looks cooler.
>>743961479Arisu
consider the following
>>743960758I rarely get more than 4h of sleep most nights. Also its 15.5h/day weekend to end of weekend is 9 days.
>>743962149Man... pretending to be hyper-productive on an anonymous website to win a pointless argument is a new low.
>>743952873Even after all of these years this picture is absolutely art. Just magnificent. Truly a microcosm of the madness lurking in man.
>>743952389Interesting, have you considered maybe game dev is not for you? Either adapt or gtfo
>>743960165>fr fr nocapgatekeeping zoomers like you is worth it, go back
>>743952389>Stop refunding games because they're short.No, if the system allows it then it's okay.>All the other shitI am not buying your game so I don't care. I want all game devs to lose their jobs so it doesn't matter at all
>>743962223ADHD hyperfocus is kind of crazy when you luck out and can actually channel it for something you want. I've been on an insane gtnh binge, both playing and actively working on add-on mods to improve the experience. I'll go weeks though where I literally can't do anything every now and then.
>>743952595If I can beat the game in less than two hours, I get to claim my reward of my money back, don’t hate the player, hate the game.
>>743952389>>Stop refunding games because they're short.>>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.>>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.>>Stop comparing game prices.>>Don't pretend we're rich>>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Thanks for the checklist, I'll be sure to do all of these things whenever possible
Isn't it interesting how it's always developers of the most dogshit games you've ever seen who say stuff like this
>>743962020Backdoor idol
>>743962513You don't know what hyperfocus is. You are not "one of the lucky ones", you're likely an unemployed maladaptive dreamer with spurts of productivity lying on the Internet about a life that he wish he could have but doesn't.
>>743962904I don't appreciate you calling me out like that watch where you are shooting.
>>743952389Short games have a place in the market. Not every game needs to be a 1000h time-waster.Some games are at their best when they're only a couple of hours long.The refund culture is insanely toxic and makes it difficult to make short story gamesNo, the problem with so many "short games" is that theyre short and there's no replay value, yeah you're right about 100 hr time wasters but at least you could actually get value of those, where as short games, you beat em in like 7 hours and there's nothing about it that could entice you to replay it again unless you wait like 3 years. Game devs who make short games, need to actually make good short games that you could actually beat several times without being bored of the mechanics
A little reminder that the age of consent is 24
>>743952389Thanks for reaffirming my decisions to pirate every indie game. Everything you're repeating is just from the 2014 gamergate bible btw
Game developers are not entitled to profits they make from gamers. Game developers should pay ME.
>>743963843Indie games aren't even worth pirating. They can't hardly give them away for FREE on itchio.
MOOOOOODS THEYRE POSTING LITTLE GIRLS AGAIN
>>743952389You will never be a developeralso, you will never be a woman
>>743962904Anon. When I can't do anything but what my current tick is without experiencing witdrawl symptoms and when I am doing it I forget to eat/sleep and days disappear? Pretty sure that's hyperfocus. I never said I'm lucky, in fact i fucking hate it 99% of the time because it's never for something I want to do.I've not once lied or larped about anything I posted. Also now that on home for work, I won't be replying again. Just going to re-itterate my statement again. You have enough time in the day to work on a game after working full time. Many gamedeveloprs start this way. You're not entitled to success right off the bat and defonately not entitled to be able to survive starting off. Make what you love because you enjoy doing it, otherwise it's probably going to be slop.
>>743952389Ok don't complain when I get your game from a torrent then
game developers blaming gamers for the game industry sucking is like the elite blaming civilians for 9/11
>>743952389If you're a game developer, here is some etiquette you need to learn:>1. The customer is always right.>2. In the event the customer is ever wrong, see 1.>3. Angry women with hair colors not found in nature are not customers.
>>743964403yet they do it, even unto death, because the only alternative is to admit they were wrong
>>743952389Evil hebe
I'm a game developer and whenever someone sends me an email (rarely but this happens) about something that doesn't work or if there's a crash in one of my game I apologize and try to see if I can fix it immediately. If not, I tell them to get a refund and send them a code (in case I do fix it in the future).
>>743952389>Modern games are made to ship as fast as possible. The downside of a game taking 1 year to release instead of 4 yearsExcept that games already take 4+ years to come out. And lots of issues like stuttering can be present even if you have a good pc.
>>743964681based touhouchad
>>743952389so many twitter fags got right on to the hook of that slop maker with his viral marketing mascaraing as a steam service issue
>>743953552are you retarded? that was the sixth post, not the second post.
>>743958669anon, do not disguise your dick as a drinking tube and dangle it in the hamster cageit does not end well
>>743964403>elite blaming civilians for 9/11the joke here is iirc this actually happened, iirc a few years ago around the time Afghanistan got taken over by terrorists there was a mainstream news article that basically said something along the lines of "9/11 [or the more recent afghanistan incident? idk] was civilians' fault, actually"When everyone and their mother knows shit like that was 100% the elites' fault
>>743964901What? no. I was just looking at the gif and thinking about women giving blowjobs
>>743961479Kaoru!
>>743961479HaruSayla
>>743952389>Yes, Terraria is cheap. But it can afford to be cheap because it has an insanely high number of sales.And why does it have a high number of sales? Because it is a good game. Make your game good, simple as. If you can't make a good product, you don't deserve anyone's money. The customer alone decides what your game is worth to them. Not you. Nobody ows you money. >You are not owed an update for a fully released game.Well, if you slap "1.0" onto your game despite it being an unfinished buggy fucking mess, that's on you. Customers deserve a finished, working product, that's what they pay for. So yes, you owe it to them. >Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.>Modern games are made to ship as fast as possibleI never asked for fast shipping games. Your your publishers and shareholders are to blame for that, I don't care about your shareholders, you do. Besides, most of the time when a games optimiziation is being critizized, it is because it runs like shit even on high end hardware. This is inexcusable and falls under "selling an unfinished product". >Don't pretend we're richYou could be, if you made a good game, lol>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Fair. Even then, there are publishers that employ cancerous DLC-politics with their games (looking at you, paradox). >Stop refunding games because they're short.If I know beforehand it is going to be short and buy it anyways, fair. If I cannot know beforehand and the pricing suggests a longer/bigger game, then I am going to refund if my expectations aren't met.
>>743952389Hi game developer here>Stop refunding games because they're short.No, if you make a scam product if should get refunded.>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.Yes you should fix bugs>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.You're just a bad game developer, make sure to refund poorly optimized games>Stop comparing game prices.pricing matters, make sure to refund if you've been price scammed.>Don't pretend we're richEveryone pays sales tax, everyone pays income tax, don't use a publisher, retard.>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"DLC can vastly improve a game that was mediocre or flawed.Now go away tranny
>>743961024idgi
>>743952389>wants to be a game dev>doesn't know not to post an image more interesting than their actual postyou should probably quit bro, you obviously don't understand reward structures enough to design a good game.
>>743957040>Graphics are totally irrelevant to performance in indie games.Yeh...This is a toothbrush.
i'm a game developer too, will you guys play my game when it's out?
>>743968159retard, this is an idolmaster dump thread, not an actual gamedev discussion one
>>743964829That's what he said
>>743953227Leaving a (sincere) negative review is making the world a better place and is an act of good.Refunding a shit game is good because it benefits the user and incentivizes quality.
>>743969354don't you already have a thread on /a/? why bother making a stealth thread here?
Indie developers sure love to make excuses and shift blame to anyone but themselves. Totally different energy from 90's and early 2000's solo devs and small teams who put out quality games.
>>743969230Yes :)
Just saw Goblindev's game in new Soulslop (affectionate) video. Keep it up man!
>>743952389>Stop refunding short gamesI only refund a short game if it feels so short that I didn't even get my money's worth. Superhot? Worth it. Katana Zero? Not worth it, this fucking game has been half-complete for almost a decade, but that was my fault for thinking it wouldn't take 8+ years to get a release date.>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.What are you talking about? Gimme some specifics, I've never seen a game where people complained that it EOS'd after its full release. If anything, people want games like Terraria to stop getting final updates.>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.Doesn't apply to me. I've got high-end specs and I need fucking DLSS to run games at medium quality (foliage lowest settings) with 60 fps? Fuck that, fuck you, fix your shit.>Stop comparing game prices.Video games are worth what someone is willing to pay for them. I never paid full price for Superhot because I could tell right away it was not worth $25. I was correct. $15 is a reasonable price for that game. Silksong was $20, and it was definitely worth that price.>Don't pretend we're richI don't, but I'm speaking for myself.>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"There's a difference between a DLC adding on to a game in a meaningful way, and games that are bare-fucking-bones without the DLC. If you play Payday 2 with no DLC, you are not playing the same game everyone else is playing. If you play Gunfire Reborn or Vermintide without any of the DLCs, you're not gimped for not having bought the additional characters or alt-skins.
>>743957602holy FUCK look at those jugs
>>743964461>thang
>>743952645Blue Archive.
I thought this was an active Arisu thread :C
>>743952389>gross profitMaybe you would make more money if you weren't a retard and knew the difference between profit and revenue
>>743952389>Stop refunding games because they're shortIf a game does not mention being short and catches a customer off guard by being a literal appetizer for an hour that was spent mostly in menu/walking, then yes, the customer is entitled to a refund, even if solely on the basis being deceived>You are not owed an update for a fully released gameIf the game is broken, I'd say the customer is owed a working product>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PCFair, but if a game is runs like shit even on decent hardware, then obviously we have a problem>Stop comparing game pricesWhy not? if a developer thinks they're entitled to ask triple A prices for a game they spent maybe 6-20 months making, they're the one who is mistaken, not the customer>Don't pretend we're richNo one pretends you're rich unless you created a hit game>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Is this supposed to be a common complaint?
>>743969786my fault, I posted an idolmaster reference 24 hours ago and now weebs are infesting /v/ like furries
>>743952389arisu
>>743954196thanks for your input, chatgpt
>>743969012And it had no impact on the game's performance meanwhile the 1.5 million UI elements being updated every frame for no reason is what fucked it
>>743952389If you're making something and asking money for it, then the people you're asking to give you money have the right to make whatever demands they want in exchange for their money.
>>743952389>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.There is no game released that could not be made to work on a PS3. If your game would not work on a PS3, that's on you.
>>743952389>Game Developer Herenobody wants your rpgmaker slop
>>743973209I'd like to see you come to the gym and say that to my face
>>743952389>Modern games are made to ship as fast as possible. The downside of a game taking 1 year to release instead of 4 years,caring about optimization is why Rockstar games sell a shitton of copiesbecause even toasters can run their games
>>743952389>The refund culture is insanely toxic and makes it difficult to make short story games.I will keep your game if I can give it away to a friend or sell to another player.Until then, fuck you, enjoy your monopoly on buying your shitty game back.>Most of us take home about just above a third of our gross profits.Self-publish and release the game in a better place, in better format.
>>743952389>>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.>ps: potato PC means anything lower than a Ryzen 9800X3D with 128GB of RAM and an RTX 5090. It's not my fault that you're poor!enjoy zero sales OP
>>743952389>"Don't pretend we're rich"this goes both ways.dont pretend that the consumer is rich enough to "just upgrade"
>>743960207Pure delusion. Also the time you have left at the end of the day is of lower quality than what your boss gets. You sound like you're on gibs and hallucinating.
I saw the OP pic, I scrolled through all pics, never once did I read a single post in this thread and neither should (You). Was more than disappointed.
>>743974845I just use fappe tyme in 4chan x for these garbage threads
>>743954364Good job anon, thanks for your game.
haru after soccer footjob
>>743960165aye fr ts anime be for diddy af bluds bruh let's go watch sum jjk fr fr
>>743952389risu...
>thread still upoh my days
>>743952389Cool, okay. Then how about this: >Stop complaining to the gamers about how "gamers are the worst and most toxic people"Toxicity weeds out shitty low-effort garbage games that are no different than all the others out there. Yours isn't special just because you put effort into it. If it were special, then it'd be a hit, and it certainly isn't our fault if your game didn't sell well.>Don't sell incomplete or bug ridden productsIf a game REQUIRES patches to make the game less of a pain in the ass, less obtuse, less confusing, or less buggy, then you as a developer didn't do enough to ensure a quality product was being made. If others shit on it because of this, then that is entirely on you. >Don't complain when people's jaws drop when a game is many times larger than it has any right to be, or uses many times more resources similar games of yesteryear did not.This one is self-explanatory, but as an example, if a game like Valheim runs like shit on a computer that has little issues running Helldivers 2, Monster Hunter Wilds, or [insert low performance newish game here] then that isn't a fault of the consumer, it is a fault of the developer for not cutting down on woefully inefficient code, memory leaks, uncompressed bitmaps, etc. If it runs like shit, it usually IS the developers fault as most gamers do indeed have rigs that can handle quite a bit.>Stop whining when gamers complain the games price isn't in line with its perceived valueTerraria is cheap because it always has been cheap. It never went out of its way to squeeze the consumer out of more money, and it gained good faith in turn. You aren't the devs of Terraria, and you aren't entitled to their success/profits.>Don't pretend we're rich eitherMost of us will happily buy a game if we think it's worth it, you just have to show us it is. If you can't, we wont. We got bills to pay too.>Don't complain when we call your game cancer when you cut content to pad your walletSimple as that.
>>743952389I agree all of this except 2 points>Stop refunding games because they're short. Any game that I can complete before the refund expires is refunded, I'm not paying for a demo>Stop comparing game prices. I won't pay more than 20€ for any indie game worse/shorter/uglier than Silksong
kids!
>>743952389Make games longer than 2 hours or I will keep refunding them.
>>743952389setting aside the fact that this is baitwith 3, the shitty optimisation leads to your customer-base drastically narrowing -> less sales -> less money
>>743952389>game dev>posting loli pornit check out
>>743952389tldr, shut the fuck up faggot
>>743952873There are no english words that could describe the magnitude of pain I would inflict upon a furry if I ever met one.
>>743981507Based
>>743968102He tried to open by lifting.Took me a while to get it too.It's difficult to think downwards that hard.
>>743981301I would pet this brat.
why is this fucking board suddenly full of lolicons
>>743952389If your game is less than an hour you should post it on itch and not steam
>>743982771
idolmaster more like analmaster
>>743952389>However, if you factor in Steam's cut, sale's tax, publisher's cut, income tax, you'll likely be left with around $3,500.privilaged entitled cunt. Its time to refund everything at the 1h 59m mark
>>743983092litteraly lolly corn,get out
>>743952389based and true gamers are retards
>>743952389100% AI-generated post. There's no way an actual human wrote that.
>>743983092stay>>743983198go back to TikTok
>>743952389>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.Only if it's running well. If you're released broken glitchy shite then you're obligated to fix it. If you won't fix it then it's refund time.Anyway, put more cute little girls in your games and maybe I'll be more inclined to buy them.
>>743952389if you want people to buy your games better start acting like a salesman and less of a mother in law.
>>743959835don't have to imagine
>>743952389everything here is reasonable and i back as a fellow gamedev and also im not a pussy so i will use the namefield while backing itaddendum: the thing that will fix all of those points is AI made games, when gamers are drowning in an infinite supply of slop they will learn to appreciate what makes a game actually good.
>>743974201>I will keep your game if I can give it away to a friend or sell to another player.when i was a kid, the richest friend i knew maybe got 5 games in a whole year.losing reselling has been more than made up for in the average pricedrop of games. people who demand digital reselling are just fuckheads.
>I like lolis>but hate animeIs this normal?
>>743983092
>>743964068The difference is the people on itch.io are too poor to afford marketing which banishes them to remain invisible forever. So brave of our darling indies to win awards based on how many billionaires backed them
>>743952389Imas lolidol game developer threadBased
Forgot to mention there's a arisu and chie game up on dlsite that was pretty hot I don't think it's up on nyaa at least it wasn't last year
game dev thread
>game devs
Game dev here. I also pirate all my tools and other games lol, I don't know anyone who actually pays shelf price for DAWs or VSTs. Any game dev raging against piracy is just being performative to try and guilt trip a few sales.Also little girls are based.
>>743991309did anyone mention piracy? OP didn't.why are you arguing the voices in your head?
>>743952389cute pic, i personally don't refund short games. But I think telling /v/ not to do something just makes them act selfishly out of spite.>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PCThis one is disagree with. Too many games these days are bloated optimized trash. It makes sense if you're playing a game with realistic graphics on ultra but:1: Let's be real, the poor optimization problem isn't simply down to games getting "more advanced", advancement is slower than ever, improvements are minimal and aren't enough to explain the large drop in performance. In AAA this is usually because of tight deadlines and corner cutting by the higher ups. And now with the skyrocket in hardware price, your game either has to optimize or fail, sink or swim. You can't expect the average working class person to drop thousands of dollars just to play your jank.>Don't pretend we're richNeither is the average consumer, that's why we prefer cheap things.>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"It's true that you don't need DLC to enjoy the game. But the problem is that games often put the best items in the DLC and this is particularly frustrating when it relates to multiplayer. Dark Souls 3 has pay2win rings that you need the DLC to unlock, which are just objectively better versions of the rings in the base game. DLC should ideally try not to powercreep the player beyond what is possible in the base game.
>>743952389Also game developer.I live in an apartment building with all my staff, the studio bought the apartment building, top is just staff apartments bottom is our floor then lower are tenants that didn't want to move.We pay like half the pay due a quater going accommodation, water and power being taken from salary most of our staff have been with us for the last 4 years, even CEO lives in the apartments, there is a hallway between all the apartments but it's more like an office power cables and network cables running and server racks.Everyone get's paid roughly the same amount there's about 30 dollar difference between CEO and management, doubling of jobs eg receptionist is common and get paid for doing that job on top of their duty.
>>743989131milk
>>743952495>>743952528>>743952745Fucking illiterate mongoloids.
>>743994371I just decide to not read your garbage OP
>>743994209This desu
>>743952519It's not. The game dev is the one holding the phone and forcing /v/ to read.
>>743994209Risa isn't that tall!
>>743994209Game dev here. If I add cute little girl to my game will you fags actually buy it?
>>743994954gamedev hereunless you have a beaming passion for little girls and top tier skills in the artistic rendering of them, they will not care.and at that point you have to contend with every single platform banning or demonetizing your work.
>>743994954many retards here fell for the onirism scam so your chances are good.just make sure to spam your game here everyday and you'll trick tons of pedos
i love ro chan
>>743952389>Short games have a place in the market. Not every game needs to be a 1000h time-waster. Some games are at their best when they're only a couple of hours long. The refund culture is insanely toxic and makes it difficult to make short story games.Gamers don't care unfortunately. They think that quantity > quality and it is why they love live service games and why they post steam charts.NES games like Air Fortress and Zelda 1 were designed tediously because devs realized early on that gamers love to nickle and dime creatives (via rentals) of appreciating their experience for what it is.You have to design a new game+, have dead/bad ends that make them start from the beginning, or have a initial bad ending that will force people to play the entire game. A lot of early story based adventure games had you killed instantly and forced you to start over
>>743995343how the fuck is it a scam? By any possible metric it's the fucking opposite. Completely drm free, steamcuck drm free, tons of content, still getting tons of content from updates after release.
>>743994954No, you'll need to do a bit more than that. You'll have to>make the girl really sexy>make her fully modeled, without any cut meshes under clothes>give her a ridiculously complex skeleton, even if it's not fully used by ingame animations>add an easy mod support for model and animation swaps>release the sources for base model of the girl to the communityAnd there you go, it will instantly become very popular. It's simple as that. I have no idea why is it so hard for devs to understand.
>>743995343This but unironically. It's the only advertising that works on me.
>>743952389>Stop refunding games because they're shortThe problem is that most of them are literal slop tho. Most people who are mad at this are making shitty story "games" btw
>>743954385>the experience endsIf you don't legally own your steam games you're paying for the experience. You don't get a refund from an amusement park at the end of the day because you don't want to keep your ticket stub.
I missed it...
>>743960318>"ooo soft"art
>>743952389No one gives a fuck, post arisu or sybau
>>743989131Anon why is she looking at me like that
>itt literal who dev melts down at being a literal who
>>743994954If you add pantsu on top I'll buy two copies.
>>743952389Lol no
>>743952389I pirate all indie games because of corny developers like you and I'll continue to do so
>>743952389no
>>743998367gamedev herepiracy is fine, enjoy the game lil thirdie
>>743952389>>Stop refunding games because they're short.Stop overcharging me then>>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.Don't put it in early access>>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.Indian>Stop comparing game pricesNo>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Then make your base game good enough that DLC is optional. Bloodborne has thar issue
>>743952389>>Stop refunding games because they're short.Make something worth keeping, then.
>>743952389>if you're a gamer>hrrrgnffffff>a steaming river of shite starts to flow>fffffffooooooooooooooohhh noooooo>rapid flushing noises start to occur>no no no no>the river ganges starts to flow out of UK territory into japan and china>all back into india-israel (the new territory of the india israel alliance)>noooo the country is ours!!>flushing stops>the mantle of the earth starts clogging violently>iran is covered in a sea of poo>the flushing sounds start again>the flushening starts to absorb OP's essence for israel's grand poo-rpose>donald J(ew) trump does a victory crap in his AI-generated jettyIt's over gapedev
>>743952389Nice bait>Stop refunding games because they're short.Not encouraging market for that shit>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.By that logic we are not owed update after the previous one broke a gameAlso publishers STOP KILLING GAME motherfucker.>Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.It's your public duty if the game should honestly be playable on a potato.Even on ecologic ground.>Stop comparing game prices.It's plain Demand/OfferDon't overprice your game if it doesn't offer anything worth it.And I paid €60 for an indy space game that has no chance of making it big.>Don't pretend we're richNever did,Just don't complain about Steam 30% cut when they provide you services you that you'd fail to get spending 80% of your money in.>>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"If your DLC is a disguised Day-1 DLC "cough the money or you won't see the ending/true feature" we can complain.>Take RimWorld, for example. Game made it to 1.0 with overwhelmingly positive reviews and no DLC.>Years later, with DLCs like Biotech out, people have started to pretend that DLC is required to 'fully enjoy' the game and that 'essentials are missing from the base game'.Who care what about people say?Besides, Rimworld is among the rare game that NEVER GO ON SALES, making you a DLC at essentially the price of the base game.
>>743952389i'm not obligated to do any of this shit. make a good game or else.
>>743999768ESL
>>743956438>No. The fact that the game costs $20 and is better than a AAA game priced at $70–80 is not even a comparison, it's a reflection of the problems in the industry and the poor treatment of consumers.>betterDefine "better"You can get a lot of fun from a cheap $20 pixel-art game, but it cannot replace a need for a 3D open-world with realistic weather, physical combat & climbing animations with voice acting.Then the question is how many people can pay $80 to make it worth the development time.
>>743952389stop making woke slop and we will like your gamesif people like your game, they will buy it. its really that simple
>>743999963>engulfens you in the shitteningBack the fuck off bloody bitch??
>>743960880>>743961024I don't have the skills to comment on optimization, but if your game look like shit and run poorly for a player who is used to better optimized game, that's a legit complaint.If the extra processing cost come from good/useful physics or AIs, all is forgiven, question is whether player can tell.
>>743999963still right tho
>>743953081What's her game about
>>743985460It's not about the money, friendless loser.
just refunded your game because i beat it in under an hourget fucked bitch
>>743952389Exposing teenage girls to pornographic content and encouraging them to be open about certain fethishes is so much fun.
>>743952389>Stop refunding games because they're short.Then stop making shot games>You are not owed an update for a fully released game.No one ever said this, people only complain about early access games >Don't complain about optimization if you have a potato PC.I'll stop complaining when your game doesn't look like it came from 2015 >Stop comparing game prices.No>Don't pretend we're richNot my problem, got look for a job then>Don't complain about DLCs being "essential to the base game"Literally never seem this happen apart from your schizo example, i actually have a opposite example, everyone says that rainworld is better without the dlcs because all of them fucks up the game.
>>743952389What's the story behind this picture?
>>743952389>stop refunding...No worries because I don't "buy" games any longer. They are all either slop or indie shovelware. Most indie games are equally trash as their aaa slop counterparts. You aren't pushing the envelope by any means, faggot.
>>743952389>game dev hereall I see is bait
>>743952389>Stop refunding games because they're short.Are there any games that are under two hours on a first playthrough but still worth spending money on?
>irrelevant time wasting question + funny OP
The responsibility of making a game worthy of this respect is just a bit beyond you sorts.
>>743991824Right, no indie dev in the history of humanity ever cried about piracy. lmao get real, retard.
>>743999963ESL or not he won
>>743952389>Short games have a place in the market. Not every game needs to be a 1000h time-waster.>Some games are at their best when they're only a couple of hours long.Games can be 30 minutes along as long as there's replayability I don't mind it.
make a good, (at least) 2 hour game that doesn't crash at random and i'll buy it if it looks goodthanks
>>744007054Yes, this is the key point that OP the Faggot failed to mention, if your shit is short and a one and done then it deserves to get refunded, simple as.
>>744003737epi brainwashing a poor innocent girl
>>743952389Glad to hear whatever company you work for will be going out of business soon.Which one is it again?
Don't care, torrented.Not even gonna reply to OP
>>743952873wah wah Fuck the parents. Making your life revolve around their wishes is a sure way to misery. Life sucks anyway and you didn't choose to be born so if dressing up in a costume and fucking other people in costumes gives you some personal joy, go for it.
>>743953227>Then don't waste your time writing a negative review, either. M8y if this isn't bait/bot you have to realize that you're basically a jester. A form of entertainment for consumers. The LAST thing you want to do is give ultimatums like "Dont like it? Do something else." Or "Just watch porn!" People will actually do so. Devs in this industry need to stop doing this. Jesus fucking Christ.
>>743962020my anal queen
an idea for a game making a game about a robololi learning to be bratty or cutely shy as she gains humanity throughout the journey, or allowing players to install personality addons to customize her behavior if you prefer sanbox elements rather than linear/static story.
>>744010201endorsed
>>743952389GR8 B8 M8
>>743952389>Short games have a place in the market>btw I'm a devmmm...you're saying you've a bias on the topic being discussed, that results from being involved, and, by chance, leads to having an opinion that favors you.
>>743952389>game developer hereyeah stopped reading there. go and fuck yourself you piece of shit
>>743971634What the fuck is she trying to say here?Why would everyone having their own skill tree be bad design? I mean it's a gacha dev saying that so obviously they're going to be retarded opinions, but where the fuck is that coming from
>>743952389>Stop refundingNever bought it in the first place. Games are free, after all.>Poor optimizationI will shit on your game for this, despite pirating it.>Patches and DLCsJust make a finished, reasonably balanced game with no major bugs and there won't be any issues.Also I don't care about how much money devs make, they only exist to slave away 24/7 so I can enjoy the free, high-quality video games they produce.
>>743952389get AIDS, and then kill yourself in the most public and viscerally gory way possible, you fucking faggot assed NIGGER
>>743952495fpbpfaggot op is a NIGGER/THREAD
>>743961479
>>743952389>Fully released gameIn this day and age LOL>DLC are essentialAn actual fair point except when release is so sloppy compared to an older game that the feature being said to have been essential as part of the base is clearly justified.
>>744012001She is saying you have multi branching paths in life you retarded nigger
>>744014750?Do you know what a skill tree is?Do you know of a skill tree system with no branching happening?How fucking retarded are you, really?
>>744008996The reason why people are miserable and desperate right, crying our load complaining about the problems they themself created is because of the exact mentality you describe. YOU are the part of the problem of why people suffered in this world. Stand tall and proud! and dive into an abyss you wished for just as tall...
>>743952389>game devyou need to start looking for another career bud. AI will take over your job soon.
>>743952389No, I'll refund any game that doesn't have any replayability and is short.You're not owed my money or respect.I'm going to complain about any shortcoming you have. That includes optimization. I don't give a FUCK what constraints your game was made under.No.Not my problem.Base Rimworld needed mods to feel complete, and the areas DLCs operate in are areas that older mods no longer fill the vacuum in because they stop getting updated. Android Tiers was much more fun than the DLC that added similar content.
>>744014813>Do you know of a skill tree system with no branching happening?well its bad design
>>744016137>but what about this completely unrelated thing that's not part of the original subject?? that's bad design!!But that's not what she's calling out on you stupid nigger
>>744016181its what she say tho >>743971634
>>743962534Niggerminded behavior
>>743954008Cheese pizza making tutorial
>>743952389That RimWorld example is retarded. Why the fuck would they not add a way to have a baby in a free update? Meanwhile you can just install a mod and fix the game for them, classic lazy devs.
>>744015753Good morning sir
>>743952389Arisu hypnorape
>>743995654>tons of content, still getting tons of contentmore like pointless bloat where the filesize of the game is comparable to modern FOMO online games and the game still doesn't have functional multiplayer. How the fuck does a unity FPS game need 80 GB of disk space KEK
>NES games like Air Fortress and Zelda 1 were designed tediouslywestoid devs were a mistake
>>744016204methinks she's calling out that all characters have the same skill pool, or skill tree / class in this case
>>743952495Pretty sure its pasta so yeah
