all valid and universally recognized options
what did the 4chan incel cabal not like this time?

>>745418509
>>745418637
Where's FF7?

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>peak JRPG gameplay

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>>745418509
>P5 (twice)
>P4
>FFIX
>Undertale
>E33
>Metaphor
I hate normalfags and zoomers, I really do.

>>745418683
In the garbage bin.

>>745418509
Why is 33 and Undertale there? They aren't Japanese

>>745419092
Genres refer to gameplay mechanics and not country of origin.

>>745418509
Skies of Arcadia is on the list, so it's based.

>>745418931
What's wrong with FF9?
It's not my favorite but it doesn't deserve to be called out with that other trash.

>>745418509
I'll give it to P5 because I left on hold and didn't play it- and Paper Mario is also that good. it's a very recentslop chart.

>>745418509
The only boring one there is Metaphor.

>>745419201
It just doesn't deserve to be that highly rated. There are great things about it but the first disc being primarily cutscenes and then the story shitting itself on the third disc are some pretty major issues. I rate it a high C- or low B-tier FF.

>>745418931
>hates normalfags zoomers
>doesn't call out E33, the most zoomer-bait JRPG ever

>>745419124
Jrpg isn't a genre though it's a description, Japanese rpg.

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>>745419323
Retard

>>745419323
>t. blind retard

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>>745419201
>WAAAAA ONLY FF GARBAGE ISN'T TRASH!!!!!1
Cry harder.

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I FUARKING LOVE TOBY FOX'S HIT INDIE JRPG CLASSIC UNDERTALE RRRRAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH

>>745419421
Genres are descriptions of gameplay mechanics, and JRPG is a genre. You could call Dragon's Dogma, Dark Souls, Disgaea, and FFVII all Japanese RPGs, but they don't have anything in common so that description is meaningless.

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>>745419201
It’s bad because Freya isn’t real.

>>745419553
Cope Atlustroon.
There are plenty of bad FF games. FF9 isn't one of them.

>>745419620
>>no pre X FF
t. another blind retard.

Undertale and Tel Aviv 33 aren't JRPGs

>>745419698
Undertale isn't, but E33 is.

>>745419427
>>745419439
My bad

>>745418509
>chrono cross
>not chrono trigger
uhh based?

Chrono Cross? Did they mean to pick Trigger and then pick the wrong option from the auto fill suggestions?

>>745419854
Chrono Cross is much better.

>>745418509
In no particular order, my 12 are:
>Xenoblade 2
>Xenoblade X
>Final Fantasy VIII
>Final Fantasy XII
>Lunar SSSC
>Breath of Fire 3
>SaGa Frontier 2
>Romancing SaGa 2
>Nier
>SMT5: Vengeance
>Etrian Odyssey III
>Tales of Symphonia

Don't agree? Don't.
Also post yours. Let's see if we have taste.

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>>745419201
The only issues are terrible load speeds and a high encounter rate. Both are fixed with the Moguri Mod. The story is also very YMMV because there are a ton of high fantasy cliches peppered throughout.

>>745419685
Why I deleted it. Please Disregard. I suck cocks

>>745419612
That's what I'm saying, Jrpg isn't a genre because Jrpgs can have completely different gameplay mechanics. They can be turnbased, action, strategy, or a metroidvania. It's just a description, a rpg that was made in japan. If you were to tell someone a game was a jrpg they would have no idea what kind of game you were talking about, but if you said a genre like fps they would.

>>745418509
>12 that high
were they rating based on cutscenes or something?

>>745420030
No, you're just stupid. JRPG is a genre, and it refers to a particular set of mechanics. Specifically, JRPGs are Ultima-likes and/or Wizardry-likes.

>>745418509
>no suikoden II
trash list

>>745418509
>persona 5 royal
>metaphor
>persona 4 golden
>persona 5 again
>skies of arcadia
total Sega victory.

It's crazy to see lists these days that don't include Panzer Dragoon Saga at all, that used to be THE hipster pick of choice. (It's a great game, shame Saturn emulation filters people and the $1,500 price tag filters the rest.).

>list full of turn based slop
sorry i only play REAL video games. i'm not here to poke around in menus or read the story
good thing the industry finally learned and everyone besides france only makes ACTION jrpgs now.

>>745420090
>J in JRPG stands for Japanese
>being Japanese isn't a requirement.

>>745420167
Sadly Skies of Arcadia is the only one of those that is a good game.

>>745418509
>Chrono Cross 3
Damm this is a weird timeline

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>>745418509
>E33

>>745420336
They're RPGs in the typical Japanese style (that being Dragon Quest clones, which are derivative of early Ultima and Wizardry), not RPGs made in Japan. You're just stupid.

>>745420090
Damn I thought you were serious, I need to stop falling for bait so easily

>>745420446
You don't know shit about video games, so keep your mouth shut. >>745420412

>>745419760
no e33 isnnt

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>>745418509
Persona sucks.
Cross is better than Trigger, objectively.
Suikoden is the best JRPG series.

>>745418509
>e33 that low
a weeb manchild made this list

>>745419612
Even by that definition Undertale is not a jrpg.

>>745420412
>obvious WRPGs (Ultima, Wizardry)
>actually they're jrpgs
???????????

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>>745418509
I wake up every day petrified of the possibility that today will be the day they announce a Skies of Arcadia remake. No modern devs are capable of not ruining that.

>expedition 33
>undertale
>>>jrpg

>>745420556
e33 shouldn't even be in that list

>>745420496
>FFX + Mario RPG isn't a JRPG

>>745420562
Correct, it's not.

>>745420575
What are you confused about here? Dragon Quest was derivative of those games and their style of RPGs continued focusing more on raw numbers and linear narratives rather than the freedom that later Ultima leaned into, which the WRPG genre sprouted from.
JRPGs are Dragon Quest clones, and Dragon Quest is Ultima + Wizardry.

>>745419698
Japanese society accepted Toby Fox as an honorary jap, so Undertale retroactively became a JRPG

>>745420640
best jrpg in 30 years

>>745420753
not a jrpg

>>745420492
If you're going to keep posting bait at least make it believable, not every Jrpg is a dragon quest clone

>>745420745
Even if it was made by the purest jomon hirohito it wouldn't count as jrpg.

>>745418509
my gosh this 'genre' sucks

>>745420742
undertale and paper mario aren't,

>>745418509
FFIX and anything Matsuno touched topping the JRPG ratings will forever be the most baffling examples of creator dick-riding in gaming

if the graphics aren't anime, it's not a jrpg

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>>745419124
Stop trying to brownify the term JRPG you fucking faggot.

>>745420786
fuck you

>>745420745
Deltarune I can see, but Undertale was made when he wasn't an honorary jap so it should still be considered a wrpg.

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>>745418509
I got curious so here's list by the user score.

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>>745418509
>XII
>not even the IZJS or Zodiac Age one

>>745420926
no u

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atlus won

>>745420742
Yeah but that is like calling metroid a hollowlike haha. funny.

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>>745420939
>E33
>deltarune

>>745420895
Wouldn't that would end up excluding Kingdom Hearts since most of it is Disney cartoon graphics

RPGs from Japan already encompass a ton of games that have little in common with eachother other than things having health bars and stats. You're making a "JRPG" style game? What does that even mean? Four niggas in a row? One character? Action combat? Set in the past, present or future? Strategy game? Realistic or fantasy setting?
The least a JRPG should be is Japanese and I'd be fine with ditching that label altogether and just calling them RPGs.

>>745420990
based metaphor

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>>745418509
2 of them aren't even Japanese Role Playing Games
It's like making a list of greatest animes and having Teen Titans and Avatar the last Airbender on it

>>745418509
now have metacritic ban brown countries and lets see the new list

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>>745420939
>Chrono Trigger
>2008

>>745421036
well it also have anime characters

>>745421129
Teen Titans definitely should count as anime.

>>745420939
User scores are always better than critic scores, but I'm curious how many people actually give metacritic scores, like I can't image many people do it.

>>745421129
trvth nvke

>Get into a loop with Skies Of Arcadia
>Want to play it
>Remember the gamecube version practically makes the dreamcast version obsolete except for the music, which is a signficant downgrade
>There is no mod to fix this
>Wait for >Seega to make a new remaster

expedition 33 isnt japanese

>>745421157
>Metacritics 2008 DS Game of the Year
Holy shit nigger, read.

How did Persona get so popular?

>>745421234
That would open up Pandora's box for cartoons since a lot of them are anime inspired these days, like steven universe

>>745421294
they'd neuter the shit out of a remaster, it'd 100% get censored to hell and back.

>>745421385
that's the problem. the definition of anime will be more blurry in the future

>>745418509
>No Dark Souls

Maybe Metacritic is alright after all

>>745421384
>good music that people keep using as BGM in youtube videos.
>really distinct UI that people like.
>really strong beginning chapter that people ignore the fall off towards the end.

>>745421384
It works as a show/anime you can watch on youtube basically. The fans don't actually bother to play it.

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>>745418509
Good to see Paper Mario get recognition. It really is the best Mario RPG.

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>It works as a show/anime you can watch on youtube basically. The fans don't actually bother to play it.

>>745421645
I like the series but will always hate how it started the whole 'You don't need to play a game to be a fan of it" bullshit

>>745421541
Anime is what the Japanese call animation
Calling non japanese animation "anime" would be like me calling a sausage I made a Wurst or salchicha

So it's official; Atlus has usurped SE as the Kings of JRPGs.

>>745418509
Final Fantasy 9 raping 7 as usual

>>745421774
Persona was the focus of the "you don't actually have to play a game to be a fan of it and saying so is gatekeeping" debate from a couple months ago, which is too recent for you to pretend that didn't happen faggot.

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>>745421975
still beats faggot trantasy

>>745422023
>normalfags prefer it
Ok.
And the FF7 demakes are dogshit anyway. There hasn't been a good FF for nearly two decades.

>>745422023
What does final fantasy have to do with people watching instead of playing persona?

>>745420906
Learn what words mean, lil groidy.

>>745420834
>paper mario isn't a jrpg
Retard.

>>745421018
Actually it's like calling it a metroidvania. Zoomers don't realize that metroidvania actually refers to Castlevania games that are Metroid-likes.

>>745422023
Who mentioned FF you schizo? For that matter nobody ever mentioned Persona being bad either, all anyone said was it's popular because people watch it on youtube which is completely accurate.

>>745422023
That's the platform people play Persona on, of course it has more hype there.

Persona was good before youtube zoomers started pretending to like it. Now it will never be good again.

>>745418509
it's not that bad of a list desu

>>745422364
I didn't think it was possible to be more schizo that a FFfag, but apparently the people who hate it are even bigger schizos

>>745422486
...in opposite world.

>>745418509
Persona 5 would be in my top 20. Not 1.
1 is reserved for FF6 or FF4
Undertale would be in top 50 or top 100
Persona 4 not golden would be in top 20 maybe top 10.
Skies of arcadia would be top 50.
E33 would be top 100
Chrono Cross would be top 50 maybe top 30
FF9 12 and 10 would be top 100 with 12 maybe breaking top 50
Metaphor would not make my top 100 in fact I would put it in top 10 of the worst.
Paper Mario seems to be the only one close to where I would put it.


FF6
FF4
DQ4
DQ8
Pokemon Red
FF7
Paper Mario 64
Secret of Mana
Etrian Odyssey 3
Disgaea 5

>>745422547
Every single game or subject on this website has at least one dedicated dicksucker schizo and one dedicated seethe schizo. It's impossible to talk about anything anymore without these freaks babbling about their brainworms.

>>745422547
>Insert "anti-SJWs are even more annoying than SJWs am I right fellow gamers" meme here

>>745418509
lol

>Fatlus and Square cockriding
>also two random WRPGs there
Retarded list, as usual

>>745422354
e33 will never be a jrpg no matter how much you gaslight yourself

>>745422723
E33 is a JRPG because it's just a collection of gameplay mechanics from JRPGs. If someone just copied the code of Dragon Quest 3 and then released it from an American company it wouldn't suddenly shift to a different genre.

>>745418509
>Chrono Cross
the FUCK

>>745422675
yeah normalfags are beyond repair

>>745418509
I'm jealous of the people who can play P5 and see a masterpiece in front of them.

>>745422551
You brought up Final Fantasy out of nowhere and made yourself seethe lol. Nobody even insulted your favorite game, take your meds sheesh

>>745418931
Press turn is peak JRPG gameplay though

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>>745418509
I like dq8 more than every game on this list

>>745422654
Why not just post the meme instead of describing it?

>>745422816
See you two are fighting about apples and oranges. That guy has autism and needs the game to be made from japan to be a "jrpg".
You more reasonably take it as a genre that has broken away from the country of origin and just a collection of similar themes including anime or anime like characters and turn based combat.

>>745423026
Press turn is great, but Metaphor is too bloated with the Persona social link garbage to be good.

>>745422816
it'd be a turn based RPG, not a JRPG then.

>>745423074
Yeah, I understand his insistence that it refers to country of origin, I just think that's a meaningless description. If you're talking purely country of origin then you'd put Dark Souls and FFXIII in the same category. But someone who likes Dark Souls wouldn't necessarily like FFXIII because there's nothing in common besides the country of origin.

>>745422250
Normalfags is all FF ever had.

>>745420939
>E33 #1
Weebs BTFO

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>>745421532
Realistically, they would botch it like every port of Sanic Adventure. I'm also waiting for Sega to make a new offline version of Phantasy Star Online.

>>745419698
>Tel Aviv 33
Wait, E33 is Israeli propoganda?

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>>745418509
>chrono cross
invalid list

>>745418509
Persona 5 being this highly rated is so odd because even it's fans seem to agree that it peaks quite early on and that the latter parts of the game aren't that good.

>>745423096
Ehh it fits the setting and story better than Persona though, the protag is trying to win people over to his cause and all

>>745423287
why DOES it have the masonry numbers?

>>745422816
It wouldn't, because jrpg isn't a genre, it just means an rpg made in japan. The genre for both games would be the same, turn based rpg.

>>745418509
Official from what?
It's not my official one so it's not relevant to me

>>745423503
I think they should have dropped the social links after P4. I think it really only worked for P3. But as much as a job system SMT with press turn interests me, I really just can't sit through 50+ hours of those social scenes.

>>745418509
Image is shopped, SaGa Frontier 1 Remastered is actually #1 in this list

>>745418931
E33 is actually good though

>>745423654
It's really good, but it's not so great it belongs in the top 12.

>>745420939
>Persona slop over Xenogears
Ok

>>745418683
Nobody cares about FF7

>>745423654
Recency bias. It is okay. Good for the era of current slop. But, those are abysmally low standards.

>>745423215
it also is the same for wrpg...

>>745423815
Probably the most astroturfed game ever made.

>>745419612
>they don't have anything in common
They are japanese

>>745422816
>If someone just copied the code of Dragon Quest 3 and then released it from an American company it wouldn't suddenly shift to a different genre.
It would be considered a Wizardry clone in that case

>>745423923
Let's go by your definition for a moment. Morrowind and E33 are both WRPGs according to you. Would you suggest E33 to someone who's a huge fan of Morrowing? Or vice-a-versa?

>>745424043
yes why not?

>>745418509
Why the hell is skies of arcadia on this list?
It's very confusing for me to have a good game on the list, I could see them all being mediocre but 9 mediocre games and one good one is just confusing!

Why isn't Fallout New Vegas on this list

>>745424082
Because they don't have anything in common.

>>745424043
Morrowind is WRPG that traces its lineage back to Ultima Underworld
Expedition 33 is a WRPG that traces its lineage back to Wizardry

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Persona 4 Golden is the greatest game of all time.

>>745424148
that's not a problem, is it?

>>745424179
>>745424196
If they're both WRPGs then WRPG is meaningless as a description, because there are no similarities between the two games.

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>>745418509
Only good ones

>>745424273
>then WRPG is meaningless as a description
Now you're learning

>>745421046
>What does that even mean?
Japanese RPG

>>745418509
I'm surprised a Fire Emblem game isn't on there

>>745424273
well, wrpg and jrpg both of them goes on rpg categories

>>745424273
What's the similarities between Paper Mario and Crono Trigger aside from them being Japanese developed?

>>745421046
>The least a JRPG should be is Japanese and I'd be fine with ditching that label altogether and just calling them RPGs.
the only correct take.
JRPG is a term of it's time, when japanese RPGs were more similar like on the PS2 and earlier.
this is just the Roguelike and roguelite nonsense again.

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>>745418509
>P5 is there twice
What the fuck is that ranking

>>745418637
its not my own opinion and this irrelevant
mouth breathers will worship it tho, which is increadibly annoying

>>745424549
The only one popular enough would be three houses and that one is a bit to controversial to get that high of a rating. Fortune's Weave maybe since I've seen a lot of good reviews from reviewers, although most of that is about things that aren't gameplay so who knows. A bit off topic but I really hope I'm wrong and that game is good

>>745418509
>jrpg
>E33
>deltarune
seems someone didnt understand the assingment

>>745420939
Xenogears has a 9? There's no way these people all played the game right?

>>745424618
>this is just the Roguelike and roguelite nonsense again.
What is the actual difference between them

>>745424273
Morrowind is an Action RPG with elements of Immersive Sims
E33 is a Turn-Based RPG
They're both WRPGs

>>745424738
>actually words don't mean anything, my gender therapist told me so

E33 is objectively ass and babby's first JRPG

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>>745418509
>metacritic
who cares

>>745424796
That's the exact opposite of my post. I'm telling you the exact genres those two games fit, discounting depreciated terms like Computer RPG and Console RPG.

>>745423524
Masons just ritualize shit from Gnosticism directly rather than indirectly like modern Catholics. The devs are French and mostly Catholic, so you can chalk it up to a coincidence.

>>745422023
Reminder that Sebby is dogshit at video games and whenever he tries to talk about gameplay he gets humiliated.

>>745425078
i dont even know who that is why do you lol?

>>745420578
SoA is really hard to go back to because of the random encounters. Even dragon quest games phased out random encounters because no one has time for that time sink bullshit anymore.

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for me dark souls

>>745425116
Why’d you post a twitter screencap of him then?

>>745425190
cuz its funny?

caring so much about random people's opinions on things is woman behavior

>>745418509
Give it to me straight lads, Persona games are only on there because people like to goon to the idea of being popular in highschool and fucking hot highschool girls right? I've never once heard anyone talk about the gameplay

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>/v/ when people say that their uncleslop RPG is not as good as their remember.

>>745418509
>FFXII
Absolutely based

>>745424732
the difference people were proposing back then was that roguelikes must randomise maps, item effects and enemy strengh and that if you cut one or more then it's a lite. but now any game with randomisation is called a roguelike and language is defined by those who use it.
like fruits and vegetables, they are not a classification. if a group large enough decides banana is a vegetable then it is.

>>745419201
Its a good game but people overhype the hell out of it. Its like FF7 levels of overrated but with less people doing the hyping up of it, yet somehow being just as loud.

>>745425214
Nah it just makes you look like a retard

>>745424727
Agreed, it should have been a 10

>>745424732
The difference is that roguelites have a meta currency system where you can get stronger between runs.
Roguelikes start you at the same power each time. The meta currency is knowledge.

>>745419882
every person who prefers Cross to Trigger is mentally ill
so much retroactive character assassination, a huge cast with next to no development, and a completely hollow core gameplay
arguably the only good thing is the OST, which is also not as good as trigger

>>745425149
I went back to do complete playthroughs of both Skies of Arcadia and Baten Kaitos a couple of years back, and the difference between the two encounter systems really changed my perspective on them.
If you asked me a decade ago, it wouldn't have been a contest for me, but now I think I'd definitely choose BK if I had to pick one to replay

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>>745421912
Those Rankin and Bass Christmas puppet kinos are Anime because the character designs/models were contemporary to anime of the time and they were animated in Japan. Honestly, most of the glorified toy comercial cartoons boomers grew up with in the 80's could classify as anime. Transformers is so obviously Japanese, but strangely people generally don't think it's anime.

>>745425258
Cared enough to seethe here.

>Metaphor ReFantazio 4th
The absolute state of this genre. Lmao

>>745419612
what are the gameplay mechanics? Turn-based = JRPG?

>>745425645
Skies of Arcadia was notorious for its random encounter rate, easily top 3 for highest frequency, which is why it's so hard to believe that the gamecube port supposedly LOWERED the encounter rate. It's still too damn high on Gamecube. When people say Chrono Trigger is the GOAT I don't bother to correct them, I partially agree because the scripted encounters made that game age like fine wine.

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>>745421269
A lot

>>745425979
one day the browns of /v/ will realize them shitting up a rapidly declining relic doesn't reflect reality, but that day is not today it seems (yes, that means you)

>>745418637
>fursona on the list at all, let alone #1
lol

>>745426096
>9.1
If you need any more confirmation that your average gamer is a part of retarded goycattle, it's right here. Stellar Blade is a 3/10 game at best.

>>745426096
>Goonslop
>Higher than 4
Sad

>>745418509
So many overrated games. Seven overrated games man. Reviewers don't know SHIT about anything.

>>745426306
>>745426319
Why is it not worthy of even a passing grade?

GODTLUS WON

>metacritic
When will this site finally not just claim but actually believe that games journalists and reviewers are fucking worthless and not worth paying attention to?

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>>745418509
why are undertale and e33 in the jrpg section

>>745426513
You won't get a real answer. Retards can't read deeper than surface level so they'll just call it goonslop.

>>745426026
iirc it was determined that the gamecube version did not lower random encounters at all. the dreamcast version was easier to dodge them in because you could hear the dreamcast getting ready to load the battle and then pause the game and avoid the battle. but emulators can't mimic this.

>>745419201
I don't think FF9 is bad, but 7 and 10 are generally the most popular for a reason. I if had to recommend only one FF game for someone to play it would be one of those two. The biggest issue I have with 9 is everything feels so slow in it compared to the other games, having four party members, the long load screens, and high encounter rate just make it feel like a chore sometimes. 9 is good at having some of the most likeable characters though.

>>745426568
you're so right. the users are always ri- ack
>>745420939

>>745420939
>it's so much worse

>>745427031
No, the users are retarded, too. It's not an either/or question. They both suck.

>>745426007
Turn-based gameplay is one element of a JRPG, yes. A focus on resource management, such as potions and MP. Usually some kind of linear, class-based character progression (as opposed to manually assigning attribute points). A focus on numbers and rollplaying as opposed to the roleplaying options WRPGs offer.

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>>745419631
Nobody would have cared about Freya if she wasn't a furry. Boring nothingburger character.

Why are no From Software games on this list, they're massively popular and highly rated JRPGs

>Chrono cross third
Jej come on man

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>>745418509
Based list... We are eating good persona chads

If people like simple life/dating sims like persona, why don't people make more?

>>745429810
they are, fire emblem fortune's weave is going all in on it. to the point where it's only 33% tactics gameplay and 67% social sim according to early previews.

>>745420090
Years ago, I remember when jrpg just meant japanese rpg. In the last 5 years, the definition has shifted to the weird shit you're describing. It's never made sense either. Apparently it's supposed to be "three guys standing in a row" gameplay, but plenty of jrpgs don't fit that. The Tales of series, a lot of the recent FF games, etc.

>>745429947
The definition didn't shift, it always meant that. Think back 20 years ago and consider what the gameplay differences between Oblivion and Final Fantasy X were. You knew exactly what kind of gameplay to expect when someone said JRPG.

>>745418509
Metacritic doesn't go back further than a couple of generations, missing out on gens 4 and 5 which were basically the best era for JRPGs.

>>745429947
Tales of and recent FFs are not JRPGs.

>>745430623
They're RPGs from Japan, simple as.

>>745431053
Action games will never be RPGs.

>>745418509
List feels icky but only because there are multiple entries of the same series there.

>>745431362
You don't have to like them but that's a factually wrong statement.

>>745418509
Where the FUCK is Xenoblade 2?

>>745431472
>but that's a factually wrong statement
If it was wrong Elden Ring would have been in the list, but it's not there.

>>745431593
At like 83

>>745431605
Metacritic's admins are the arbiters of truth.

>>745431472
>>745431605
>>745431362
It depends. The defining factor of an RPG is the character's skill (stats and abilities) overriding personal player skill. So if your character's sheet says they're good at something, that's that. You don't need to pick the lock yourself if your character has the skill to just complete the check. So in a game like Dark Souls where you can just ignore personal skill checks by building your character the right way, that's an RPG.

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>>745418509
>4. Metaphor ReFantazio
Metaphorbros... WE FUARKING WON

>>745418509
Sega/Atlus Won

>>745430525
The gameplay elements usually varied a lot between each series. What's funny is DnD was the inspiration for FF1, a classic jrpg. Nowadays, DnD based games are typically crpgs.

IMO, "JRPG" has become a pointless and almost nonsensical category. It stands for "Japanese roleplaying game", but many of the titles are neither Japanese or even role playing games. Take Expedition 33 for example. It's from a French studio and you cannot create your own character. You can't affect the story or characters in any meaningful way. There are zero roleplaying elements. This is apparently a Japanese roleplaying game.

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>>745433123
>There are zero roleplaying elements
No you just have arbitrary assumptions about what a "role" has to be. Games where you have significant choices to make about how characters approach the core of the gameplay are roleplaying games. When the core of the gameplay is combat then being able to significantly change how your characters will approach combat makes it a roleplaying game. E33's RPG elements are the builds and gearing that let you select how you want characters to approach combat, I'm not saying E33 is good but it's a roleplaying game and so is Dark Souls

Why did Skies of Arcadia never get a remaster?

>>745433568
Because it got a shitty gamecube port that compressed the audio to hell and back and I guess they never tried again. It sounds like fucking shit. Reminds me of the shitty Sonic Adventure port. A lot of dreamcast games got did dirty on Gamecube

>>745433123
>There are zero roleplaying elements
There are no roleplaying elements, but there are RPG elements. As in, like, the raw numbers. The character sheet mechanics you get from tabletop games. Older RPGs didn't have the scope for actual roleplaying and all the choices you made were about character stats and items, and those are the RPG mechanics that JRPGs focused on while WRPGs started focusing on the roleplaying side.

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>>745418509
>P5 TWICE
not even a good persona game
>E33
i hate france
>FFXII
my personal favourite FF but nowhere near top 10 jrpg maybe in a different universe where the development for this wasn't a shit show
>underFAG
>metBORE
nuff said can't even trust my fellow gamers