>UUUWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!>*shits, pisses, and cums from getting brainmogged by his transgender aunt AGAIN for the 86th timeGoddamn this nigga's pathetic. Actually almost the whole cast are like this, I hate it when they cry
>>745881175Yasu will never be a man, no matter how hard trannies tries to push this retarded claim
Ange thighs, I guess.
>>745881598She has none
>>745881451Lion.Now let's hear your copefiction.
>>745881598>>>/a/nge+thighs+belly+erotic+UOHHHHH
>>745881451No one born with a vagina browses this website, Anon. We're all hot guys with big meaty cocks here.
How would you react if a thousand year old big titied witch started to kill your family in gruesome ways? You would cry as well.
>>745882302I'd start jerking her 1000 year old dick off
>>745882375a cliff beat you to it
>>745882375You would not!
>>745881623I have distinct memories of the old sprites and that one kick scene in the anime that contradicts your statement.>>745881862Indeed.
>>745881451Battler is AGP, its statistically likely that he is GAMP too. Ryukishi is probably projecting his paraphilias onto him, and I've never encountered an author as autogynephilic as he is.
>>745882884Wtf is GAMP?
>>745882914Gynandromorphophilia, IE a chaser.
>>745882884Battler is cute bara because he canonically takes steroids and we all know steroids makes you want to suck dick
>>745881175>literally started this 'game' for the first time yesterdayWhoa, stop fucking following me. Also, what am I in for? Do I get to make a lot of choices or is it all reading this retard battle kun? I've never played a visual novel before, but I did just finish watching all of HIGURASHI, and now I want to understand the stupid bullshit they ruined the story for just to make satoko whatever this witch thing is.
>>745883000How come he's such a dyel then?
>>745883334STAY AWAY FROM THIS THREADSPOILERS ARE EVERYWHEREAlso no choices , it's almost all straightforward
>>745883334>Do I get to make a lot of choicesOther than the last episode, there isn't gameplay, just 130 hours of reading. But you can solve the mystery by yourself, it is as rewarding as an actual game.
>>745881451speedreader tranny
>>745883503>it is as rewarding as an actual game.loltrying to solve umineko remains to this day one of my most embarrassing, intellectually insulting endeavors
>>745883334Also, did you install the 07th mod? It adds voice-over.
Reminder that half of the solutions to this "mystery" were that a bunch of haughty snobby wasps were just bribed to lie and went along with it for basically zero reason and it involved traps being set that were convoluted to the point of being silly in order for the murders to occur. We're also supposed to believe that on an island with only a dozen and a half people on it, nobody would somehow notice that two people were never in the room at the same time and that there were never instances where everyone gathered in one room together for the entirety of the stay where people are quite literally being murdered one by one.The "mystery" leans so hard into the visual novel medium of only 1-2 people being presented at a time that it's hilarious because this mystery flat out doesn't work if you present it in a real visual format.
>>745883662>We're also supposed to believe that on an island with only a dozen and a half people on it, nobody would somehow notice that two people were never in the room at the same time and that there were never instances where everyone gathered in one room together for the entirety of the stay where people are quite literally being murdered one by one.In Episode 1, one of the two people were "murdered" first.In Episode 2, one of the two people "disappeared" after the first murder and was even a suspect.In Episode 3, both of them "died" first.In Episode 4, all of the murders happened offscreen.It's entirely reasonable for people to not notice that detail during the times when it didn't matter.
>>745883662>nobody would somehow notice that two people were never in the room at the same time and that thereThey didn't work at the same days
>>745883662The fucking Yasu costume changes is what killed it for me, this is when Ryukishi went full retard. What was even the point of the Answer arc? It just told you to discard the questions from the previous arc and either give the most retarded alternative-condition explanation or just "no love bro, can't see it" type shit. Ugh. I feel gross just talking about it. Fumble of the century.
>>745881771a young maiden
>>745883832Why the fuck didn't the second wave of staff question it then? The first I can get, but the second were nosy newbies who already raised a lot of alarms, but somehow not this one?
>>745883797then episode 5 shows them in the same room with literally the whole castbut all of them were lying lol, gotcha
>>745883662Don't forget this person has actually been pretending to be two people for several years, and no one figured it out, she's just that good of an actress. In E3 first twilight they put on makeup and locked themselves in a room, certain that they would be discovered by morning, so that after their keys are taken away and they are left alone, they can get out of the room (corpse disappearing forever), and run through the forest to the church ahead of everyone else, while also changing their clothes and applying entirely different death makeup to pretend to be a different corpse for people. This is what R07 wants you to believe. Despite it being much simpler to just say they're either both dead and this episode has a different culprit than usual, or just one of them did itAlso Natsuhi beat the fuck out of Jessica raising her to be the next family head, despite knowing this will never happenit's almost like this nonsense was all added last second, incongruent with the mystery as previously presented, and there are other perfectly valid solutions which don't require this absurd plot device
What's more overrated, Higurashi or Umineko?
>>745884189higurashi is 10/10 other than the last episode going all scooby doo
>>745883978Lion was like 16-18 if I'm not mistaken. If he was a girl we would absolutely know.
>>745884229why?
>>745883657>modI hate you retarded niggers so much it's unreal and if you said this shit irl I would go to jail just to fucking disembowel youVoice acting in a 100 hour long vn is RETARDED AS FUCK and makes it way longer than it needs to be. And the the art is genuinely more souless than the original games amateur art, especially the backgroundsYou don't even let people make choicesAnon didn't say>I like the game but the art is ass is there a modOr>I'm tired of reading is there voiceactingNooooo it's always do it like me do it like me download all my tranny mods because I am too scared to PLAY THE FUCKING GAME AS INTENDEDKILL YOURSELF STAT
>>745883797>In Episode 1, one of the two people were "murdered" first.And then you think for two seconds and realize that Yasu's plan apparently hinged on her bribing some random wasp to inspect her body, lie, and that nobody else in the entire fucking group would take a look at her corpse close enough to realize she was faking her own death. And then you realize how retarded it is to even make this kind of plan and that the entire series rests on stupid fucking ideas like this when you really think about it and don't just swallow the handwave explanations that are dumped on you at the end of the game.
>>745884280Secondary sexual characteristics.
>>745884189Higurashi is mounting kino with a very badly written ending, which is redeemed by Saikorshi-hen flipping it on its head.Umineko goes full retard 75% of the way through and actively insults its audience for trying to make sense of it, crying and shitting its pants about being held to a standard of writing and internal coherencethen he went and fucked up higurashi too retroactively, the fucking idiot
>>745884229Lion is a fictional character, he doesn't abide by normal rules. Toyha didn't know what was Yasu's genre so he wrote Lion as being naturally androgyneous even without falling from a cliff.
>>745884349boys go through puberty too, you know by your logic lion is a girl because she doesn't have facial hair
>>745884320I just gave him a suggestion you cock sucking faggot. Autistic fuck cant even fathom that people can like different things, go to a canadian hospital and stop shitting this board.
>>745884116It's because Ryukishi was angry that japanese readers already had the entire thing figured out by the end of Turn
>>745884581No you didn't give him a suggestion you tried to force you fucking tranny taste yet again and got assmad when someone finally pointed it out cocksucker
>>745881451The only ideological framework in which Yasu couldn't be a man is a tranny one where gender supercedes sex. Otherwise, Yasu's true sex is literally unknown. Infertile Woman is equally viable as crossdressing Male.
>>745884518Boys can shave their facial, but girls can't shave their tits off.And another thing, there were no female Ushiromiya family heads before Lion, why would they start now? And also, if Yasu is supposedly well established as a girl, then why is Lion specifically referred to by they/them instead of she/her? Why call the gender into question/make it ambiguous if it's allegedly clear-cut? That's because it isn't. If Ryukishi is specifically calling into question Yasu's gender through Lion, then he must be a boy, or otherwise there's literally no other reason to do it unless he's just a complete AGP asshat.
>play Umineko>play Fata Morgana>play Danganronpa>play Nukitashi>play Subahibi>play Black Souls>trans people, trans people everywhereI CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE
>>745884372Was the scene with Erika shitting on mystery writing just her being a shithead or was ryukishi butthurt?
>>745884756>then why is Lion specifically referred to by they/thempost where this is in the original script
>>745884803I went into Fata Morgana blind and those last two chapters are probably the hardest I've ever seen a VN fall off a cliff ever
>>745884803Well, yeah. It's the mystery genre. The ol' twist and switcheroo is standard. Clothes cover your bits n bobs so the bits n bobs are a mystery that can be exploited and thus you get a lot of trannies in the mystery genre.
>>745885012You have to be an insanely masculine woman to pass as a man, or an insanely beautiful male to pass as a woman
>>745884853Nice try faggot, and if you weren't even aware Japanese can refer to a subject without ever using any pronouns at all (which is how the vast majority of androgynous characters are handled in jap media, they just omit pronouns altogether), then you have no business in this conversation. The only way this works in English is to use they/them in the absence of pronouns.
>>745885089>Japanese can refer to a subject without ever using any pronouns at allyeah, that's different from they/them which is just troonspeak and not a real thing
>>745884895>le gasp!>the entirety of door 8>all the build-up for morgana's past and it ended up being a relatively normally tragic story for someone like herafter all the shit that happened in previous chapters it was hard not to be bored honestlydoesn't help that michel and giselle don't actually do anything for a huge portion of the VN, they just sit in a cuckchair and watch others living their life
>>745885089So basically your proof is trannylation
>>745884807Definitely ryukishi throwing a tantrum. He was (apparently) trying to convey the message that the mystery is the vehicle for you to get to know and care about the characters rather than the mystery itself, thus the whole "without love, it cannot be seen" shit. Essentially, it can't truly be understood unless you care about the characters and their motivations. But that's a theme already ripped from Twin Peaks for one, and for two, in his case, it's used as a sort of shield against criticism of the mystery in umineko by telling mystery fans they care about the wrong thing in treating it as a puzzle to be solved rather than a story to be understood.
>>745884964Its not that you can't have chinks in the story, it that you shouldn't have a stereotype to be a culprit, like a foreigner killing people for a pagan ritual, or a tranny deciding to blow themselves up because they will never be a woman.
>>745885150>>745885164>I'll just pretend to be illiterateOK.
>>745885252You need to stop coping with your made up "proof", Big Brudder
>>745884695Did I put a gun to his head, you retard? I said what the mod did and why he should download it. Normal people can make decisions, unlike you, fucking diaper wearing pants shitter mongoloid, that needs your mommy and daddy to say what is good for you.
>>745884724No, because then there was no reason for Genji to worry about her being SA'd by her literal Kinzo. Yasu is a girl, the Lion part is Ryuukishi being an obstinate faggot who refuses to give clear answers and purposefully muddy the waters so he can flaunt his "There is no le right answer, its all up to interpretation lol" bs
>>745885293Sure thing. Anyway if Yasu is a girl then there was never reason to omit Lion's pronouns, when Japanese obviously has female pronouns. If I had a daughter, why would I dance around the subject of her gender to everyone I knew? Unless she's actually my son of course. Lion being the heir to the family head doesn't help either.
>>745885389Have you considered that Genji is a faggot that assumes that Kinzo would fuck his son if he thought he was the reincarnation of his wife?Have you considered that it doesn't make sense for Natsuhi to be concerned about a "man from 19 years ago" if she didn't know that Yasu was male?
Girlasu sisters....
>>745885540>Have you considered that Genji is a faggot that assumes that Kinzo would fuck his son if he thought he was the reincarnation of his wife?Not the guy you're replying to but that is seriously a massive stretch and is obviously not the case. To be clear, I don't give a shit one way or another whether Yasu is biologically female or male, you're just wrong here.
>>745885660NTA but what about the second part? "The man from 19 years ago"
>>745885153For me its5<4<2<1< maid story< morgana story <3.Haven't finished chapter 7 yet, honestly I didn't really like much the stories from the 3 men, the plot twists were predictable and considering how much Morgana hates them, they sure got off easy.
Also hhold on why is it unthinkable for Kinzo to rape his infant son when he's literally the craziest, most deranged, most depraved character in the entire story by a longshot?
>>745885709She never gave 2 shits about the baby, she may have let that maid to take care of Yasu and didn't bother to see if it was a boy or a girl.
>>745884079Episode 5 also establishes that Battler's point of view isn't objective for that episode
>>745885709>NTA but please respond to the second part of my postI'm legitimately not the anon you were replying to but you're very obviously the same guy, lmfao. You replied in like an instant in a thread with like 3-5 people actively posting in it. Come on. I don't care about your second point(and to be honest, I don't remember what part you're referring to. I haven't played Umineko in almost two decades at this point). I was just struck by how stupid your first argument was and felt the need to respond.
>>745885936>I'm legitimately not the anon you were replying to but you're very obviously the same guy, lmfaoNope. Sorry?
>>745885852You really want people in this thread to believe that there are two completely separate posters passionately arguing this completely retarded point? Kek. I love running into a samefagging autismo like this when they don't even hide it.
>>745886139This quite literally proves nothing you retard.
>>745885463you're a retarded tranny, fuck off
Why would an angel wear something like this?
>>745886273*sigh* oh the retard when he is called out on his retardation... god, we should have an IQ test to go along with the captcha.
>>745886310Emergency swimming
>>745886307>posts the ground zero of all troons in Japanese mediaCan Yasufags EVER win at all? We get it. Your sacred babygirl pure waifu is actually a boy and you feel ashamed for beating your weenie to a man. Now get over yourselves.
>>745886338You're either completely new here or retarded. Pick one. Any samefag can remove the (You) in like 3 seconds. It's not proof.If on some odd chance I'm wrong and you happened to show up here and passionately defend the other guy's completely retarded posts and arguments out of nowhere in a slow ass thread, then congratulations. There are now two massive retards which I was hoping wasn't true.>but wat if he is so insane that he rape boy butt too thinking it woman??? could be case, never know lol
>>745886590>>but wat if he is so insane that he rape boy butt too thinking it woman??? could be case, never know lolHe thought his newborn was his wife born into a new body and locked her in a penthouse rape dungeon and raped her daily for 19 years soooo yeah. Why isn't he? Oh I'm sorry, are you someone's touchy uncle and feeling called out?
>>745886738>locked her in a penthouse rape dungeon and raped her daily for 19 years>her>herYou just admitted you were wrong. Twice.>So why couldn't it have been a boy?Because nothing alludes to that and it makes much less narrative sense. Trying to argue that Kinzo was so deranged that he could no longer differentiate a dick from a pussy is fucking retarded. He's not gay. He was raping a female.
>>745886738If Yasu was male or female, Lion would have told Will. It is a mystery, you can interpret it whichever way you like, that is like the main theme of the VN.>>745887058He is referring to Kuwadorian Beatrice, not Yasu.
>>745887058You absolute fucking retard, that's Beatworice. Get the fuck of MY thread, NOW faggot
>>745884020Because Yasu was protected by Genji and Kuwasama
>>745881175Ahem... BIG.
>>745881623She is canonically fat.
Ange's.... farts
ep 8 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7Check em
>>745890421She smells really bad. It wasn't written in red that Ange's bullies never wanted to humiliate her more by making the poor orphan a cow. Its entirely possible that they bribed St. Lucia's head chef to put experimental drugs into her food. Those drugs would make her already fat Ushiromiya jugs even more engorged, to the point that poor Ange-chan couldn't find a bra that wouldn't bother her. After some weeks, these diabolical pharmaceuticals, would make her breasts lactate involuntarily, causing her attire to be constatly wet. This couldn't have happened in a worse time; Eva-sama visited Ange-chan in St. Lucia in a attempt to reconcile after years of abusive relationship, she saw her niece in this humiliating state. Instead of feeling pity, Eva-sama immediatly thought Ange-chan was pregnant, a very understandable mistake; Ange-chan's visibly full milk jugs in combination with her extremely fat belly (which wasn't caused by the drugs, just by her terrible eating addiction), made Eva-san remember her happier times with Hideyoshi and baby George. By evoking those memories on Eva-san, Ange caused her aunt to enter in a screaming fit, that could be heard throughout St. Lucia, how humiliating! To make matters even worse, the summer was arriving and Cow's-I mean, Ange-chan's incredibly developed bazoongas were releasing even more nutricious milk! The hot sun rays caused her milk and sweat soaked clothing to release a very distint smell. The already unpopular Ange-chan wasn't helped by this tragical predicment, all students wore gas-masks because of her nauseating gorgonzola stench and she was obliged to sleep outside like mere lifestock! Even her loyal imaginary friends were bothered by Cow-chan smell, making they plug their noses when they tried to console her. The only one that seemed to enjoy the situation was Beelzebub. She seemed to really her friends's new yummy ability.But then again, this is just a possibility in the vast sea of fragments.
>>745890794>7 in last actual mental impairment
>>745885852Yasu wouldn't look like Beatrice if she was a boy.
Isn't Battler actually canonically really smart and only fumbled the bad during eps 1-4 because he was stressed to the max from seeing witches and his relatives dying over and over again?
>>745891571>Isn't Battler actually canonically really sm-ACK
>>745891695You can be incompetent and smart
>>745891695That red truth only applies to Battler in that moment. She didn't say "You will always be incompetent"
>people STILL seething that Ryuukishi made fun of their epic theory by depicting them as a retarded stinky goatman
>>745891571He's smart, but also a retard.>>745892348I can understand feeling a bit betrayed if someone read the chapters as they came out and wondered for however many years, like 7 or 8 on what actually happened, for the writer to release commentary shitting on you instead of wrapping up all the nitty gritty.I read the whole VN this year so I didn't have that problem (and if anything I commend the audacity of literally never explaining what happened while still delivering a satisfying finale)
the music owns
>we never got UMG vol 9 because the ending was so shitty it mindbroke the UMG creatorsWhat could've been.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWPEuzy-ks
>Kinzo was actually a kind grandpa that loved to play with his grandchildrenI don't get itWas this real or fake?
Why would Genji fear Kinzo "repeating his sin" if the child wasn't biologically a woman?
>>745893236Grandparents don't always treat their kids the same way they do their grandchildren.
>>745885389>SA'd
>>745893329I know you're memeing it up with Blue Youyi but this is legitimately happening in my family right now.My parents were pretty bad with my sister and I, but they're losing their shit and paying her kid 200 times more attention than they ever did to us.
The world would be a better place if the seacats fanbase just dropped dead.
The only games stories that live rent free in my head to this day are Xenogears and UminekoUmineko for the wrong reasons
>>745882914Retards who jack off to femboys, basically.
Answer me this: if Yasu is a girl, why obscure Lion's gender? What for? And why would the next Ushiromiya head be a woman, when every single before her was a man? Why? What is the cause for exception this time? You cannot reconcile these two things together without Yasu being a boy who had his cock and balls wrekt by a rock.
Sex with Erika.That's all I have to say.
>chad thundercock battler is gonna turn gay suddenly because he just will okay??yasu is a girl
is last note of the golden witch any good?
>>745894336>why obscure Lion's gender? What for? And why would the next Ushiromiya head be a woman, when every single before her was a manare you fucking retarded? you keep answering your own question
>>745894715kek
>>745882302The poster woman of >her red flags are big>but her boobs are bigger
erika: analbernkastel: mouthfuckjessica: titfuckange: thighjoblambdadelta: rapeeva: armpit sexnatsuhi: missionaryrosa: creampiekyrie: kill
>>745884895Giselle kinda killed things for me. Michel grew on me eventually, but I found Giselle out of place and annoying. Her tits on that one cg were very nice.
>>745895514What about the seven sisters?
>>745883662>were just bribed to lie and went along with it for basically zero reasonthey all have plenty of reasons to go with it
>>745891571battler is smart, and it's shown really well during the episode 4 tea party
>>745884372anytime i hear someone complaining about a piece of fiction insulting the audience i can't help but feel they are immensely insecure
>>745895858they can gangbang me all at once
>>745896252Normally I'd agree, but when you spent years drawing and writing smug anime women telling your readers to solve the mysteries, only to at the final hour talking about how the mysteries never really mattered, well, that's a different case.
>>745896478you can still solve them
I never tried to solve shit and I don't care about how stupid the solutions are.I just enjoyed the ride.
>>745896679>im a retardthe VN was made for you!
>>745896679ZASEDi gave up at ep 3 when they showed the games didn't matter and there was a future where eva survived
>>745896252it's literally true in this case though
>>745893236he's a cunnychad so i'd day he loved to "play" with loli ange and maria
shannon won
>>745896478the mystery still mattered and you are still encouraged the solve it, it's just not the only thing you should be subscribed too when reading umineko.
>>745882009iirc there's one fucked up intersex freak on one of the anime porn boards who has a meaty deformed clitoid instead
>>745884189Umineko definitely
>>745884807literally him being butthurt, the goats also directly represent jp imageboards trying to solve the mystery and shitting on him after ep 7
>>745895514all approved by me except>jessica titfuckI couldnt care about her at all
I physically cringe when I remember I unironically was once part of the "Umineko is peak fiction" crowd
>>745896252Ryukishi is known for changing elements of his stories beacuse readers guess the endings/plot twists before he finishes them, thoughever
>>745899852>got bullied into hating something he likedRaped.
>>745899852Yeah, same. But tbf I was quite literally 12-14.
>>745881175>I hate it when they cryDid you also pick up Mario and hate that he's super?
>>745899852name what you consider peak fiction now
>>745900368The Vagina Ass of Lucifer Niggerbastard
>>745900087I'd let erika rape me if you know what I mean
>>745896740Indeed and I liked it.
>>745893236i wouldn't put it past kinzo
>>745896252I think the author said in a interview that thr fumbled the goat bit in ep.8
So was magic real or what?
Had to drop it around book 5. I just wanted a "cozy" mystery thriller on a secluded island with a twist here and there, not retarded girls in frilly dresses constantly cackling about nothing.
>>745890794swap 8 and 4 for TRVKE
>>745902620Who cares, it's an abortion of story. Author got pissy that players figured out the supposedly unsolvable mystery like two episodes in then got mad and dedicated the rest of the story "actually none of this matters, this was all about love :)"
>>745902752When you describe it like that, the more I think about Umineko, the more I realize it's EXCEEDINGLY tranny-coded. I was just too innocent to see it back then.
>>745881771Lion did not have the injury Yasu had, and yet still had a gender complex. This is because Genji wanted to hide her gender from Kinzo because he didn't trust him not to make the same mistake again. He would not have needed to do this if Lion was male.
>>745902620yes
>>745902620It depends of what type of story you prefer. If you want to be a fantasy story, you can believe that magic is real; if you want a mystery, just say it ain't real. It's your choice.
>>745903429Stfu
>>745893275If Sayo was biologically female and Genji was afraid of Kinzo raping her solely for that reason, why would he bring her back to the island as a maid, help her solve the epitaph, then dress her up as Beatrice and deliver her right to the rapist's bedroom?
>>745899852my love-o-meter tells me your post contains about 0%
>>745881175Dread of tthe Grave is a banger track tho
>>745902620Yes
>>745903174>>745903502t. erika
>>745900731Hm, yes, if we're talking about Kinzo-san, that's definitely a possibility.
>>745902620magic is obviously not real, magic in umineko is just someone believing in their delusions to survive
>>745903835Because he was Kinzo's best friend, he knew he was going insane because of the guilt, so he gave him a chance for him to ask "Beatrice" for forgiveness.
>>745904175So he hid the baby, but not the 9 year old, or the fully grown adult? Was he afraid that Kinzo was going to rape the baby specifically? I'm just trying to follow your logic here.
>>745904378Maybe if you actually read the fucking story, you'd know, because he straight up fully explains his motivations in Episode 7.
>>745884803Yeah whatever mate. If you wouldn't violently mating press Dorothy, Alice and Mabel, you're a zesty fruity poofter gay homo fairy faggot.
>>745904378Kinzo gave the baby to Natsuhi so that he wouldn't commit the sin again, Natsuhi threw the baby off the cliff, Kinzo thought that it had died and Genji, afraid that Kinzo would try to do the same thing that he did to Kuwadorian Beatrice, bought Yasu to the Fukuin House as an orphan and later she became a maid at Rokkenjima so that one day Kinzo could ask for forgiveness.
>>745904979Kinzo's sin was raping his daughter. Yasu's genitals, male or female, are gone. After the cliff, Kinzo couldn't repeat his sin (through the front door). Genji therefore was afraid that his master would make the kid into Beatrice III regardless of any boundaries.
>>745881175>Fat-boobed bitch ragebaits you: the game
Why did he do it?
>>745900087>bulliedjust watching sotsugou unfold in real time just opened my eyes that maybe R07 is just a hack
>>745906115I love Beato so much.
>>745906318
>>745906115>How each chapter ends
>>745884803Should have played muramasa
>>745881175I will never forgive Ryukishi
>>745884339That's the entire point of episode 7. All the previous episodes are just silly murder plans put together by a teenager. The reality of the cat box is that 5 able adult(not counting Krauss and Natsuhi) who have been mulling over the epitapth puzzle would be able to solve it in a single night and wreck the entire plan Yasuda have.
>>745906916Thanks, I hate it.
>>7458907943>1>4>7>2>6>5>8
8 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 6
>>745903026>He would not have needed to do this if Lion was male.You are underestimatimg the power of the GORUDO SUMISU.Coomzo totally would put his eunuch twink son in a dress and go balls deep inside his ass if he looked like beatrice.
>>745903001Say 1 (one) tranime media that isn't tranny coded.
Ciconia Phase 2 soon
>>745884803There are no trans people in black souls.Dorothy is a schizo and Bill is a gay man with self acceptance issues.
>>745909696Dragon Ball?
>>745910848TCO and Yog are trannies.
>>745908731>GORUDO SUMISUMore like GORUDO SUKISO.
>>745910936Simply no.
>>745909696death note
>>745911149B-but Fureeza doesn't look like that...
>>745881175Battler bawling his eyes out with the casual hand-in-pocket pose will always be incredibly funny to me for w/e reason.
>>745911031Both are cosmic beings who arbitrarily create vessels and one of them is a schizo
>>745909696Space Dandy
>>745884320ywnbaw
>>745884189both are to a degree
>>745881771Lion can be either a boy or a girl, their gender wasn't revealed.
lion is hotter as a cute twink, so he's male to me
>>745900206I hate when they cs my go.
>>745881771lion is so blatantly based on saber (a woman pretending to be a man) that it's almost proof all by itself
>>745906115My enjoyment of reading this VN peaked when beato was just trolling battler. The ending sucks.
Umineko is still an unsolved game.Embrace the parallel dimension. Prove that magic is real.
>>745884189Higurashi is overrated by japs and Umineko is overrated by westoids. Both VNs are 8/10s at best but people act like they're the pinnacle of the medium.
>>745881175>people are STILL trying to argue that umineko isn't the greatest fictional story ever told after pic rel declared it a perfect 10/10, the best video game narrative of all timeYikes
>>745884189They're both great. Every "criticism" levied against either is always some deranged drivel.
Kyrie did nothing wrong btw
>>745902620Look in the catbox and see for yourself. Oh wait, you can't because you kept your heart closed? Guess you got filtered then.
>>745915683What is a 10/10 vn?
>>745915938the small bombs made him stupid
>>745915938>>745918143The divorce made him stupid.
>>745917546Saya no Uta or Subahibi are mog ryukishi. Muvluv is the best VN ever written.
>>745885389>>745893329it's a shame, i was started to feel a little kinzo more during 7's flashback arc but then "that" happen and it's Makihisa Tohno againMakes me wonder if kokaku inspired yasu
>>745915531>Prove that magic is real.Leave it to me
>>745918287you joke but i'm actually 99% sure he mostly liked umineko because it functionally provided a rebound relationship with an admittedly pretty hot egirl+a social circle to escape to during his divorce. the theme of umineko can loosely be applied to what he was doing with his life at that point so it probably hit harder. grown ass man who "hates anime" btw
>>745916016How many cliffs does Natsuhi have? That's important.
>>745917546S;G is better than anything R07 ever wrote or ever will write.
>>745917546Ace Attorney
>>745916016That depends, does Natsuhi have access to a cliff? And if she does, what's the gravity setting at in the Moon Hotel?
>>745920192lol>>745920660lmao
https://youtu.be/LyymN-osUjY?list=RDLyymN-osUjYOH DESIRE
I've completed the first half of the game. The manga is great too.
>>745922524this song is always so much fun during the r/a/dio christmas and new years streams
>>745918745>Makes me wonder if kokaku inspired yasuAnon half of the crux of Hisui's route is Kohaku disguising herself as Hisui, of course it's a direct inspiration. It wouldn't even be the first time, Chie-sensei is a carbon copy of Ciel.
>>745922874I was thinking the same, it'll be that time again in what feels like a couple months.Hopefully the jannies will allow Halloween threads like last year.
>>745881175So this is, umineko when they cry...
vaguepostGOD
>>745881175>Goddamn this nigga's pathetic. Actually almost the whole cast are like this, I hate it when they crysay that again
>>745885389>her literal Kinzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5caKlmCfOM
>>745881175Tranny game mogged to death by Higurashi
>>745926325>hehe what's that? you still think fondly of higurashi? I suppose gou didn't finish the job
how the fuck do you lose your dick by falling off a cliff.
>>745923007too be fair, chie is more of a gag then anything.another egregious one is mostly ange =akiha/rinred garden never
>>745927927>another egregious one is mostly ange =akiha/rinThat feels like a bit of a stretch, the others are far more overt.
>>745926325>>745926970>Forces Umineko into HigurashiBased?
>>745927793test it
>>745927793the better question is how it was only the genitals that were destroyed and not the entire lower half
>>745928361
>>745928947idgi
This is why we prefer Muramasa and S;G here
>>745929156>tranny, umineko >:(>tranny, steins gate :)
>>745881175So does this game have the same writting style as fate ?
>>745920192>>745929156S;G shills are so embarrassing.
>>745929156>S;Gmuv-luv*
>>745881175
Hello /vn/
>>745928240>does nothing the entire time and turns into a loli 5 seconds before leavingI don't get it
>>745918745>Kohaku was inspired by Anthy from Revolutionary Girl Utena, according to Nasu Every Japanese boomer secretly just wants to cure an evil raped woman with the power of love.
>>745929784>does nothing the entire timeShe instigates Satoko to get the entire sequence of events to play out then just sits back and eats snacks. Kind of based, ngl.
>>745929926>Kohaku was inspired by Anthy from Revolutionary Girl UtenaThat's a fucking wild inspiration that I never even would've imagined. Props to Nasu for making the character so distinct from the inspiration, I suppose.
>>745929783Et tu, Prisoner 65?
>>745883662For most episodes the actual time frame in which they could have been noticed was very short, because at least one of them typically "dies" early. Add to that the fact that they're servants which the family mostly ignore and it makes a decent amount of sense. Genji and Nanjo both already know, so they don't need to dodge them. Kumasawa might know? The real issues are Natsuhi, Jessica, and Gohda, who all have to be actually retarded not to notice.
>>745930520I knew you'd bite anyway, across the website.
>>745930406It clicked for me before I read any interviews, when she did her rant about being a hollow doll. The dissociation aspect of her character, the being complicit in crimes while just smiling before everyone as a dutiful servant, and the seemingly random bursts of terrifying harshness. Nasu specifically labeled that last point as his main influence. He also said Sakura in FSN specifically wasn't inspired by Anthy, conversely.
>>745930704You will regret this one day.
>>745899852sameI was young and impressionable though. As that other anon said, sotsu/gou pretty much disillusioned me on Ryukishi and his antics. I still enjoyed Rose Guns Days and what's available of Ciconia but my apreciation for the man's writing ability has toned down a lot. Umineko especially, it's just dishonest on many levels.
>>745932347he can write. umineko is just shit and sotsu/gou is him seething about japan hating umineko and loving higurashi
>>745899852>>745932347As someone who can still vaguely remember the early discussions on /jp/ when it was new, be grateful you didn't fall in with the fucking rp crowd that emerged from the anime threads on /a/. That shit was so fucking gay and out of control that it got unilaterally banned and they made their own board for it.
>>745929156
japanese are literal retards with shit taste tho
>>745881175I watched Joseph Anderson stream Umineko but dropped it in episode 4. I could not give a SINGLE FUCK about Ange and her story that went on and on and fucking ON. Then I looked it up and saw everyone agrees Episode 4 is where the VN gets terrible, and arguably momentarily gets a bit better in Episode 5, only to get awful again after that and that the mystery goes away and it becomes some weird meta bullshit. FUCK this story. Also, FUCK Mouse.
>>745935510>Also, FUCK Mouse.without love it cannot be seen (by "it" i mean her fat cowtits)
Why doesn't Ryukishi just reveal his name? Why does he keep his identity secret?
>>745935772So crazy spiteful otakus wouldn't rape his AGP hole
How the fuck did Mouse read Umineko FOUR FUCKING TIMES
>>745918865>admittedly pretty hot egirlhas mouse ever shown what she looks like? she acts like an utter bitch
>>745936164she's posted some selfies on discord because women are incapable of not showing their faces online, she's like a 6/10 with some nice cans but given joe's ex wife she's practically a model
>>745931148Buster.
>>745936297got banned from discord over the latest massive drama that happened on reddit
>>745936495the drama where he randomly went on an "indefinite hiatus" then unceremoniously returned like 2 weeks later? it's been a weird couple years to be a joseph fanderson
good lord enough with the e-celebs
>>745936538nah, the post where lili and mouse got ranked in terms of their compatibilities with joe and it mindbroke the fanbase that women could be rated on a 1-10 scale
>>745936663fucking kek that happened? i imagine it got nuked from the sub because it sounds like a good read. his "community" is psychotic
>>745936717
>>745936879>analyzes the logistics of their fucking breakupbrilliant, i gotta lurk the sub more for kino like this. in exchange, i grabbed one of her discord selfies (no tits in this one though)
>>745937001lmao she looks as miserable as she seems when she bitches people out for disagreeing with her
>>745937056she has rbf and dyed hair/extensions in some pics, if joe didn't marry his high school sweetheart he probably would have had the experience to know that a person who looks like mouse (especially if it's a single woman in her late 30s/early 40s) is a giga red flag. almost feel bad for the poor weeb
Get these Z-list e-celebiggers out of my thread NOW. Before I get MAD
>>745937162Sex with my BPD transgender boobie-monster hag aunt...
>>745937692This so much this!
>>745937797Do you have one where she paizuris the trans flag?
>>745937907No, someone will have to AI gen that
>>745937980How often are you ragebaiting Uminekofags to have these saved?
>>745884189What's the pinnacle of the medium?
>>745939357>what's the pinnacle of the toilet bowl?That being said, I enjoy Ace Attorney and The Nonary Games as some stupid zany fun.
>>745883934Thats the genius of it, you create this massive mystery and rather than spend time and effort carefully paying it off, you create a character who spends all of chapter 5/6 shitting on you for caring about it, and then pivots the story into something completely different that only really makes it kinda worth it in the last hour.I actually kind of like how in chapter 7 the big solutions are just revealed to you unceremoniously with no real spectacle, and I like it even more with the context of the ending, gives that chapter a calm feeling as Battler can finally accept reality
>>745881175Keiichi > Battler.Anyone who disagrees is a FAGGOT.
>>745928361Because the servants were lying. They mutilated Sayo on purpose. He/she wasn't even the same kid that got chucked off the cliff. They just chose a random one from the orphanage to eventually complete the epitaph ritual for Kinzo's sake.
>>745939758I like this theory
So you're telling me this entire story happened because this crazy mutilated troon didn't get a dicking from her literal nephew?
>>745881175Umineko literally is cope and seethe: the post: the game
>>745939664Some people hate 7 for "spoonfeeding," but I think it's really comfy. Just going around as this OP literal angel getting the truth from everyone.
>>745884803No trans people in Fata Morgana, learn to reas
>>745940117The entire story happens because Kizno couldn't stop himself from fucking his illegitimate daughter.Kuwadorian Beatrice is probably the most miserable character in the game.
>>745940429Yeah Beatworice for 1st, Yasu for 2nd.And before anyone says>muh MariaRosa is basically like your typical harsh 3rd worlder mom, Maria's "abuse" is so hilariouslyplayed up, you could tell Ryukishi never got his ass whooped as a kid
actually the story happened because hitler started world war 2
Also just realized all the main romances are incest. So, so much incest in this game.
>>745940718No one forced Kinzo to double-cross his unit and steal the Italians' gold
>>745940834if the italians didn't need to bring the gold there would be no gold to steal and no beatrice to fuck
>>745940718>>745940942The story happened because Rokkenjima/Akujikishima is literally cursed by demons that devour human souls. The tragedy was predestined by evil forces, which Sayo tapped into when she knew that the typhoon would happen on a specific day, and that Ange wouldn't be there.
Is there a comprehensive youtube video that explains umineko in full that any of you recommend?
>>745941093>Is there a comprehensive youtube video that explains umineko in full that any of you recommend?
>>745936787
>>745941093OK so basically, don't do that, and instead, take the following facts into careful consideration:1. The central conceit of Umineko is that it's a murder mystery that the player themselves is expected to silve.2. Umineko was released in chapters over many years. This meant that the players had much time to thoroughly analyze the mystery in parcels.3. The above resulted in the players (Japanese) solving the mystery long, long before the author (Ryukishi07) had any intention of revealing it (I believe they figured it out as early Episode 3). This kicked the author into Panic Mode, causing him to build upon the original mystery to keep it fresh for the readers. This backfired in his face, and the mystery ended up so convoluted it developed irreconcilable plot holes that could only be explained away by the mosy retarded of contrivances.4. The author continued to relentlessly build up the mystery far past its original scope, far bigger than he could handle. This caused him to pivot away from focusing on the mystery starting from Episode 5, instead lampshading the players trying to solve with what is basically a fan-surrogate character who is mocked and belittled for attempting to solve the mystery the author told his audience to in the first place.5. As the story's direction pivoted from the mystery itself and onto larger metacontextual themes about the relationship of the author and their audience, the story has essentially been saddled with the vestigial baggage of the now-abandoned mystery that is no longer the central conceit of the game. As you could easily imagine, this left tons of people displeased, and Umineko's legacy is now that of being Ryukishi07's weaker works.
>>745942071
>>745942071Despite this, Umineko still enjoys some popularity among Western VN fans, as they had not yet been previously exposed to Ryukishi07's older, and arguably superior work: Higurashi.
>>745942071tldr: i got filtered lol
>>745881598>>745881862>>745889591Delicious burger meat.
>>745942071I've tried to watch the show multiple times but it didn't make sense lol. I'm not going to play the visual novel, I'd rather just put a video on to watch.
>>745942318>future umineko thread shitter
>>745942318you should kill yourself instead
>>745881451Why do people keep saying that Yasu is a man when he or she had an accident and some plausibility was allowed on his or her gender being either?
>>745942757I just wanna know more about why the big titted witch has a cock anon.
>>745943391To me the accident seems really bizarre regardless of whether it mashed his nads or made her ovaries explode or whatever.
>>745943578Ange and Mammon symetrical docking.
>>745943391why would their gender be ambiguous if they were a woman?
>>745943649
>>745943732The story presents the matter among others as ambiguous. We don't know the entire truth and we're left to decide what we want to believe based on the games we witnessed.
>>745943893><Good!>
>>745942151Ryukishi died and was replaced by an impostor after Episode 4
>>745944698Nah, BT was just the only thing keeping him stable.
>>745944860BT?
>>745944950Yes, Snake. BT was the alias given to a member of 07thExpansion until his untimely death in 2009.While superficially solely tasked with management of the homepage and minigames, he served as support for Ryukishi's writing, acting as detective to solve the mystery even as it was being written. His passing after the publication of Umineko Episode 4 robbed 07thExpansion of an essential element in the writing process, which almost certainly impacted the rest of Umineko.
>>745945159Goddamn, no fucking wonder then. I tried to start the Answer arc so many times and I had to drop it each and every one, I just can't stomach it. For all of their flaws, episodes 1-4 have aged well for me, and I can even get through the excruciating Ange & Maria parts knowing that I'll be experiencing kino. But Episode 5 filtered me without fail. I hate it.
>>745946349but the answers arc has Erika and Dlanor, the most entertaining characters in the VN
>>745946821We had enough smug hebes already
>>745944163That sucks thoever
>>745947764No such thing as too many smug hebes.
>>745949302Does EVA-Beatrice count?
>>745925245Uhhhh that again?
>>745935510I thought it was interesting to see the story from another angle, to get the the true scale of the tragedy that happened on the island they show what happened to the people that had to continue on living. For me, the story starts on episode 5, like wtf Battler suddenly give a shit if he is the one to kill Beatrice or not? Bitch murdered and tortured his family dozens of times and he wants to act as some honorable gentleman? It made sense for him to do that in episode 3, because he had fallen for the sun and wind trick, but now he needs to come back to Ange and save her, why he cares so much that Bern and Lambda are not playing Beato's game properly?
>>745952606See >>745944698
>>745896679I gave up until Bern's game in ep 8 which was actually pretty fun.
I wanna get ange pregnant
>>745953390We know, Battler
>>745950054Kind of?
>>745943649isn't this just ange masturbating with an old rifle
>>745910848>they are men pretending to be women but they're not trans because... they're not OK???
just wanted to come by and say that magic is real
Tardwranglers like BT are a must for very long stories with schizo storytellingSee Kojima
I can feel it in my bones that YTTD's endings will be terrible because Nankidai lost his "BT" (the peace of mind he had before he was married and had children)
allright bois ima commit to the Muv Luv readthrough can i get a complete edition somewhere ?i found Umineko in the internet archive
>>745954434Depends on perspective I suppose.
>>745942060wtf is the actual context of this in muramasa
>>745955660Use the RED TEXT while saying it
>>745955939Don't read Muv-Luv, it's just vapid 2edgy4me garbage. One of the main girls gets her brain and spinal cord torn out then hooked up to electrodes to cause aritificially-induced orgasms via neural signals to act as a power source for a machine. Faggots here love it because they never grew up past 15.
>>745957358that sounds so retarded that i kinda want to see for myself but i dont want to shill out 30 big bois for it, no way its worth it
>>745957358The worldbuilding is kinda cool but the actual plot of the MC timeline hopping and being a good mech pilot because he's good at video games is lame.
>>745957406It's not. I promise you. Play something else, anything, it's ass.
was umineko the first long running game (series) where the creator actively started trolling its own audience?
>>745957670Possibly, though Anno and Moore both hate their fans so that would likely predate it.
>>745955939Gog.to maybe?
>>745957358>noooo umineko is better than that, dont read it *spoilers*kill yourself retarded tranny
>>745960552never release on gog also there was never a psp or ps2 version, the ps3 version which i emulated is japanese only. rip
>>745939357Ace Attorney.
>>745940279>a guy with a pussy isn't trans you chud!
>>745943578Would
>>745943578Amakusa gets to fuck THAT?
>>745893448This.My dad's mom was nice to us, but she was an evil bitch to everyone in her immediate family, literally telling her youngest she wishes she was dead
>>745881451They literally said that his cock and balls got crushed when he fell from the cliff.
>>745955939found it on f95
>>745943578Sakutaro gets to fuck that?!
>>745892348I don't think he was trying to make fun of the theories, he was criticizing the people that cared more about the mystery than the characters.
>>745960859>seacats and trannies out of NOWHEREcommit yourself to a sanitarium NOW
>>745968190No he gets to fuck these
>>745970489I would stack them aaalllllll up like pancakes then thighfuck all of them at once with my 7 foot cock
>>745970489be fucked by*
battler is so lucky...
>>745917546Muramasa
>>745974239Not enough rape.
>>745973749>all the romantic relationships in Umineko are incestAy dios mio...
>>745974239The only correct answer.>>745974715The only correct criticism.
>>745881175anonrashi: i hate it when they cry
ange's fat butt
>>745975229Not canon
>>745975229the only saving grace of umineko
erika's fat pirate hat
>>745976381Canon
>>745976065>Not canon
>>745976575Butts CATEGORICALLY cannot be called fat unless their farts stink. Well?
>>745955939Muv Luv is bad, but it's not as bad is uminegro.
I know literally nothing about this game is Beatrice actually a futa
>>745977410Not really, but calling her a troon is pretty funny. She deserves it anyway for being a psychotic bitch.
>>745977410No. /v/tards never read Umineko and all their knowledge about it comes from memes.
Regardless, in the end true love won and they lived in peace happily and forever
>>745943649I drew
It's hard to take Umineko seriously as a love story when it's about the romance between a boy and his stunted aunt.
>>745977916It's just bleeding heart feelz propaganda at the end of the day. /v/'s an 80 IQ board with no media literally who just autistic stims at the hecking cute girls and le funny moments though.
>>745978013And honestly, it should remain that way, Umineko is not worth engaging with beyond the most shallow of levels.
Also ms paint Battler
>>745977410Yeah, Ryukishi confirmed it on his twitter and put this easteregg on Episode X, The Ack-ing of the Golden Witch. But seriously, Beatrice is a persona that a Yasu created to be the perfect lover for Battler, an extroverted blond girl with big tits. Yasu may or may not be a tranny, depending of the way you interpret her, but Beatrice is definetly female.
>>745978013>media literallyhuh?
>>745881451Pretty sure Lion/Yasu being male is obvious.1. In Episode 7 Kinzo has no issues with Lion, if he was female that would be an issue regardless of it being a 'what if' scenario. Remembers piece's have to act as they actually are.2. Invoking word of God, Ryukishi said Lion would be good at things opposite of his gender, I.E Cooking. Pretty obviously insinuating he's male3. Manga shows Yasu was comfortable in her Shanon persona until she realized she wasn't developing breasts or having her period. You could argue the fall affected this but I doubt a fall would completely affect her hormone development. This is the point where Kanon is introduced to reconcile her gender dysphoria.Of course people who argue the contrary are either media illiterate or can't fathom the actual message of Umineko so no suprise given how autistic /v/ is about it. I don't see how Yasu is a tranny anyway even if Lion is male. People troon out due to purely thinking they were born wrong where as Yasu actually has justification for thinking that due to being raised a certain way.
>>745978962>1. In Episode 7 Kinzo has no issues with Lion, if he was female that would be an issue regardless of it being a 'what if' scenario. Remembers piece's have to act as they actually are.Ep. 7 was a mess of timelines and we can't know if Kinzo wouldn't do name her daughter as the successor. Also Kinzo acted like he hated his grandsons but episode 8 showed the opposite.>2. Invoking word of God, Ryukishi said Lion would be good at things opposite of his gender, I.E Cooking. Cooking is done skifully by both males and females, this is a shitpost, it doesn't anything.>3. Manga shows Yasu was comfortable in her Shanon persona until she realized she wasn't developing breasts or having her period. You could argue the fall affected this but I doubt a fall would completely affect her hormone development. This is the point where Kanon is introduced to reconcile her gender dysphoria.Losing the ovaries can stop periods and breast development.The truth is that Ryukishi wanted to be ambiguous, you can interpret Yasu whatever way you want.
Losing your ovaries through a falling injury is genuine nonsense. Losing your scrotum like that is believable, but the ovaries? This is why I can't buy Yasu being born a girl.
>Magic ending retardsl-m-a-o
>>745979603Yasu didn't become infertile because of the fall itself, but because of the surgery that Nanjo had to perform.
>>745978962>People troon out due to purely thinking they were born wrong where as Yasu actually has justification for thinking that due to being raised a certain way.This. Lion is an idealized version of Yasu, which requires all the attributes of being that which includes being male. It'd be tranny pushing if she desired only to be male at the expense of all the other attributes.
>>745979603you've gotta remember as well that no matter what the wound left so little scarring that yasu never noticed AND nanjo points out she is that baby through the fucking missing pinky toe instead of the obviously more blatant and unique injury AND he was able to stitch that baby together real quick without any issues aside from the loss of reproductive function toono matter what you're still having to suspend your disbelief a little
>>745906345>>745899852>Another intellectually RAPED higubabMan can't wait for this new anime, round 2
>>745895514>erika: anal>kyrie: killWhat a homosexual>>745899796Jesus christ, this is the gayest post I've read the whole year.
>>745979602>Ep. 7 was a mess of timelines and we can't know if Kinzo wouldn't do name her daughter as the successor. Also Kinzo acted like he hated his grandsons but episode 8 showed the opposite.The whole point is that their is sides to everyone, but Kinzo's whole 'the successor must be male' is pretty cemented in the narrative. The argument you could make is Lion solved the riddle and is therefor exempt which would be valid, except we know pieces have to act in accordance with their real world counterparts.>Cooking is done skifully by both males and females, this is a shitpost, it doesn't anything.The sterotype of females cooking is damn obvious what it means. Come on, are you seriously trying to argue that? In Umineko? Where the whole 'male and female' role thing in society is handled with nuance and social commentary that Ryukishi would throw that out with zero thought?>Losing the ovaries can stop periods and breast development.I'm pretty sure if the damage was sufficient enough to penetrate her womb and ovaries it would be undoubtedly fatal. The cock being damaged makes more sense that you could survive even if it's unfeasible. I will admit though, this is the weakest part of my argument since the idea of them surviving at all is shown to be a miracle. Also the 'Man from 19 years ago' can be an indicator to their gender. Granted with the semantics of terminology this is also rather weak but still plausible. I will admit though, so as to remain in the spirit of the VN that their is enough ambiguity to go either way but Point 1 and 2 are enough for me to say they're male.
>>745884320>>745884695This is what real autism looks like nerds, listen and learn
>>745884803No trans people in Danganronpa, only a crossdresser, who wanted to be manly.
>>745980296Erika needs to be physically raped
>>745980490>Also the 'Man from 19 years ago' can be an indicator to their gender. Granted with the semantics of terminology this is also rather weak but still plausibleI'd argue this is a pretty good indicator given that Nanushi would have to know their gender BEFORE the accident occurred. While else would they refer to them as a Man otherwise?
>>745981283i dunno, this is the same woman who pushed a servant off a cliff just to kill the baby she was holding, i don't think she gave all that much of a shit to check
>>745980490>except we know pieces have to act in accordance with their real world counterparts.But Kinzo did this, in ep. 1 he hated his family and in ep 8 he changed completely. Even if you argue that Ep.8 works differently; it doesn't change the fact that a female Lion could be sucessor. Sure, Prime Kinzo didn't want Eva to become the sucessor at first, but he was completly fine to let anyone become succesor when he made the epitaph, especially if it was the child of the woman he loved.>The sterotype of females cooking is damn obvious what it means. Come on, are you seriously trying to argue that? In Umineko? Where the whole 'male and female' role thing in society is handled with nuance and social commentary that Ryukishi would throw that out with zero thought?Again, this was a shitpost. If Ryukishi wanted to make Yasu trans, he would have chosen a more female skill, like weaving or smth. Fuck, the only character from his tale that we know for a fact that cooks well is Gohda.>I'm pretty sure if the damage was sufficient enough to penetrate her womb and ovaries it would be undoubtedly fatalThe fall didn't cause Yasu to become infertile, it was the surgery that Nanjo did to save her life.
>>745981171Can't rape the willing Im afraid.
>>745980296>HATES predictable tropey mysteries>needs things to go in a certain way so she can exercise her authority>is autistic enough to not know or care when she's being obtrusive Erika/Rika is essentially Ryukishi's mascot self insert he interjects when he doesn't like the community being one step ahead of him.
>>745980490i'm just saying, the guy who refuses to state yasu's birth gender outright even today ain't revealing that shit through a fucking twitter RP response about fucking cooking
>>745981836Other way aroune, Erika is an audirnce-insert for Ryukishi to ebinally dunk on for daringly wanting to solve a mystery thriller's mystery
>>745981836Retards say the goats represent the audience, but it's actually Erika.And even then, you can just go ahead and agree with her anyway.
>>745979603it's a complicationdoesn't necessary need to "lose" them right there
>solos your fertility
>>745981596>Natsuhi didn't know the baby's gender!This is the weirdest, most desperate cope. No, she wouldn't change Lion's diapers herself, but the idea that absolutely NO ONE told her whether she was tasked with raising a boy or a girl is fucking laughable. She never asked? No one even mentioned it offhand or by conversational accident if it was a son or daughter? That is the crux of your argument that you're not gay?
>>745981623Kinzo hating his family for fighting over the inheritance and Kinzo loving his family as a grandfather are not mutually exclusive. Episode 1 and 2 are written with some of the worst personality traits of the family members because Yasu was planning to kill everyone.
This game is a pseudtrap of the highest order.
>>745981836>Erika/RikaMake me think if ciconia will have a erika analogue…assuming it ever gets finished that is.
>>745881175Fata morgana is the better umineko
>>745982452Can confirm.>t. pseud who was trapped
>>745982346why WOULD she ask? that's arguably a sillier assumption than her not knowing, because why the fuck would natsuhi ask a servant or god forbid fucking kinzo "hey so uh what's this baby that i refuse to interact with's gender? i have to know so in 19 years i can be the crux of a gender argument">that you're not gaybrother there's a lot of characters in this game i'd fuck but sayo/lion isn't one of them, i really don't give a shit about sticking my dick in the mystery hole
>>745982452literally what about umineko is pseud
>>745982672NTA but>eps 1-4Nothing>eps 5-8Everything
>>745982672The fact that you don't know is proof
I stopped playing during episode 4 when I realized Umineko is inferior in every way to Higurashi. Uminkeo praise is outing yourself as a VN brainlet
>>745982638A babby isn't an inanimate object, you autist lmao. One of the FIRST questions anyone asks when presented with one is if it's a boy or girl. It's a human reaction/inquiry that you might be legitimately incapable of understanding. Even if she went out of her way not to ask, one of the servants or Kinzo himself would just blurt it out with no fanfare.
>>745982490The beginning is mid, desu, I only started liking it after the 3rd chapter.You spend the first 6 hours following the stories of unlikable protagonists knowing very well that they will all have some tragic ending, all the plot twists are super predictable and half of the fucking characters don't even have sprites, would it fucking bankrupt the studio to draw some shadow sprites or something? The best of the bunch is that one with that yellow psycho, but even it is annoying as fuck with all the back and forth with him insisting that he was a beast. If that beggining was cut by, idk, 25% I would like it a lot more.
>>745982841i don't know if you remember this anon but there's a whole theme in the story about a certain character being treated like furniture by the family, so yes i would expect that the baby would in fact be treated much the same way by the woman who hates the thing so much she tosses someone off a cliff just to rid herself of it
>>745896252No, his description of those two series is entirely right. I made the distinct choice to quit both and forget the vast majority of what I watched/read because it was that annoying. Umineko especially pissed me off, and I didn't even make it close to the end.
>>745896478People like this is why Erika was created btw.
>>745977410No, all these anons are just illiterate retards.
>>745982704the themes and philosophy umineko talks about are incredibly simple, the only way anyone would think it's a pseud VN is if they were only ever in it for the mystery, which is weird when the entirety of episode 4 exists to beat you over the head that the mystery isn't everything.
>>745942151>Battler says some stuff before he understands what's going on>Battler changes his mind as he grasps the situationI can't believe it
>>745896252Ryukishi is a terminally online dweeb and has blatantly spite-written shit because jap fans online pissed him off
>>745883580You unironically can't read retard.
>>745892348kek that's really all it is
>trannyneko shilling in big 2026>>745881451What you coping chuds into Umi don't get is the tranny shill fanbase won't magically dissapear if you prove Yasu is a woman. Like no shit, her personality and motivations are very feminine, but>her MO and the answer is self-ID, literal tumblr alter shit>the game treats her as the victim and Battler as the attacker>the game is all about postmodernism and muh multiple truths>the main moral is basically feels over realsThese are all core leftist values and what you're focused on is what genitals the culprit has.Ryukishi was at his best in Higurashi when he had more idealism to him and also tard wranglers reigning in his worst excesses (like mastermind Irie), he lost both of these in Umineko. The mystery sperg critics neglecting Higu's emotional writing and focusing on muh knox rules being broken didn't help either.
>>745986568You just explained why it's good
>>745986789but anon you're on 4chan you're not allowed to like that stuff!!!
>>745984480He didn't understand anything in ep.5
745986789 here, I'm trans and love bibisi btw if that matters
>>745989150He spent the entire episode wondering if Beatrice was really evil after killing her, especially after confronting both Bernkastel and Lambdadelta constantly shitting on her.
REMINDER:The most sensible solution according to both mystery nitty gritty and general themes of the story is Shannontrice with Kanon as a distinct person.The cleanest actual murder mystery solution is Rosatrice but it's a bit lacking on the themes.The perfect Agatha Christie dead angle solution is Moon-chan but it requires two competing culprits.There is no need for shkanontrice and R07 remains retarded for ever introducing it as a serious concept.
>>745990802>Moon-chanWho? Is this a /jp/ oldGOD thing?
>>745992674>Is this a /jp/ oldGOD thing?yeahBasically,Jessica is alluded to with moon symbolism several times throughout the narrative. Krauss even owns land on the moon, and as we all know, jokes are the deepest lore. In the official Umineko tarot, Jessica represents the Moon, which has peculiar meaning - moon means illusion, deception, reflection. Thus the name of it.It's a fairly basic theory, which builds on Shannontrice, or Shkanontrice in some way. If Shannon is Beatrice, then she has essentially completely destroyed Jessica's life, took away her future as the family head (which she demonstrably feels quite strongly about), her parents and the servants all knew this, and they were fine with this, and keep acting like nothing's wrong. If Jessica finds out Shannon is Beatrice, one would imagine she would be quite fucking angry, even murderously so (imagine if she pretended to be her boyfriend as well!). It's a classic murder mystery motive, hidden perfectly beneath the candlelight, from the 'obvious' solution naturally follows one which is only obvious to the detective who considers the hearts of all involved. Thus the murders are interpreted as Shannon carrying out her plan, while Jessica interferes with it and tries to kill her, kills her parents or the servants, etc. Remember that in E2, Beatrice immediately proposes that Jessica faked her death and is the culprit - this would make a lot of sense if she wants to reveal the opposition, but Battler is still unable to accept that his family might be shitheads.
>>745993902to add to this, there's an old official 07th expansion page for umineko that has character bios, and on jessica's it outright talks about a white horse prince, just like the one battler talked about to yasudropped plot point? common cliche? or something more?
We would have gotten a happy ending if that whore Shannon had appreciated my boy George for being a supreme gentleman. He wouldn't have had to eat all those letters that made him so fat and heavy that he collapsed into a black hole that destroyed Rokkenjima.
>>745994195How about this one:https://youtu.be/hU_vECs4i10?list=RDhU_vECs4i10&t=67In the E3 Opening, the heart that is being shot by the Siestas (in representation of one of the scenes near the end) has the Ushiromiya crest on it.Therefore, the 'Beatrice' who is defending Jessica from Evatrice/E3killer is actually Natsuhi, who 'has the family crest on her heart'. This visual is notably retained in the updated openings, too!Fucked up, huh!?
>>745937001>>745936164>>745935707>40 something years old likely menopausal, septum ring, jagged teeth, lopsided tits>6/10has to be her faggot lispy mod who talks about lurking here and would drag his nuts over glass for a crumb. her recent journey has been getting canned from xbox (yes really) and moving from the US to canada just to learn she is unemployable. she slow leaks drama to farm sympathy just like joe does, but without a family or career to lose behind the scenes either.>>745936879this was so fucking funny, it's some absolute schizo writing it but god damn did he set the place on fire. the following week they got like five extra mods to police the 30 people who post there. i hope the mad lad returns
>>745883662Isn't one of the official solutions that Yasu rigs some Tom & Jerry contraption to shoot herself in the head and have the gun fling itself behind a dresser mirror so it isn't discovered? How in the fuck would anyone solve that themselves.
>>745995634>has to be her faggot lispy mod who talks about lurking here and would drag his nuts over glass for a crumbnah i just love danger hair sluts. pretty funny is there's a mod that admitted to lurking here, is it nyahgust or maybe toploli? i get troll's remorse vibes from those two
>>745995782you can tell some of the locked room mysteries were very blatantly cooked up with the solution of 'the killer is still in the room' but without actually having a explanation beyond thatbetween that contraption and the EP1 "hideyoshi just pretended there was a corpse there (also we 'forgot' to tell the anime team so shannon's body is very blatantly there in that adaptation haha) and they were counting on george not wanting to see his girlfriend because otherwise the whole thing falls apart immediately" incident it gets a little obvious that ryukishi had a basic idea on how each kill was accomplished thought up but didn't plan out the whole thing down to the minutiae
>>745996284I also find it really stupid that someone's murder revenge plot involves them killing themselves halfway through it.
>>745995782You don't really need to discover how because although complex on the surface, Beatrice's Closed Rooms© can be solved by only two ways.>1. The room isn't actually closed (Eva and Hideyoshi's Room in Episode 1, Chapel in Episode 2, etc.)>2. The murderer is still in the room (Natsuhi's room in Episode 2, Bern's Game, etc.)Like even if the way it is that actually happened is strange, all of them are solvable, except the chain of closed rooms and the logic error room, but they are both connected to the plot twist.
>>745996662Yes, with this in mind, I refuse to believe that the intended solution for Web of Red Truth is 'actually le killer is le Beatrice who has le killed their le previous personality so I didn't actually name them'The solution is that two unaccounted for people traded fire in front of Jessica's room, then one of them killed Nanjo, and bled out (or Eva shot the one remaining). This is a fairly convoluted event, with at least two people faking their deaths (could be original Beatrice and whoever Evatrice represents), which is why Ronove says the truth of this board is way too fucked up to guess at.
>>745997018I think that was the red herring solution of Nanjo's murderer, in Hideyoshi description on the episode 3 tips there is a note saying that he/she should have checked that he was really dead.
>>745996378not to mention rosa continuing to go along with the plan after seeing shannon's corpse implies either sayo was juggling between beatrice and shannon outfits the whole day to fool her or rosa was THAT much of a bitch that she saw the dead body of the person who was meant to be paying her and thought she'd better keep going with the plan and fuck over battler regardless
>>745996378When they're suicidal and have a 100% guarantee that everyone will die thanks to the bombs (surely she kills herself late enough into the game that they're not close enough to solve it in time/don't even care about it) it's not that stupid.
>>745942071wow. seems like with mystery VNs, you ought to make the whole thing in one go instead of piecemeals otherwise it gets solved by the fans
>>745993902Wow, that does make some sense. Jessica had such wasted potential, and given how she was ultimately lobotomized and forgotten, anything would be better. The only problem though is would be that [spoilers]Ep. 5 showed how much she struggled with doing the deed (unlike George who just went and did it lol)[/spoiler], it was a question-era theory I suppose.>>745994195This picture though I've seen before, must've been either a dropped plot point or a red herring.
Bros, what if Ryu were actually a good writer/had good prose? Everything I've read, even in Japanese the writing is blatantly amateurish as fuck and the plot only gets praised for his ideas rather than writing ability. Why the FUCK do people love Umineko so much? Is the average Umineko fan just some idiot dweeb who hasn't read enough literature?
>>745998849It was definetly a red herring, they even brought up that she or Shannon were dressed up as Beatrice and gave a letter to Maria.
>>745999895Prose is a common complaint that people make on Ryukishi's work. I thought it was passable, the real charm is in the characters that he writes. Kant, for example has a very peculiar style, but people still think he is legendary because of his ideas; I am not saying that Ryukishi is ≥ to Kant, but that sometimes is not that important.
>>745881175i know it's a doujin low budget game, but who the fuck cries with their hand in their pocket?
>>745998849>Jessica had such wasted potential, and given how she was ultimately lobotomized and forgottenWhy do so many of the original 18 character cast just not receive much development or are forgotten about as the story progresses, and instead we get so much attention and detail and focus on fake witches that don't exist that are literally pedo-bait like Bern, etc., and the side characters in Ange's story?
>>746001167the cast should've stayed small, that was one of Higurashi's strengths
What the fuck was even the point of Nanjo? Gohda my understanding at least originally was supposed to fuck Natsuhi... but he too was a completely pointless character.
>>746002116Nanjo is necessary to misidentify dead bodies in literally every single episode.
>>746002116 >>746002793Nanjo is the representation of Gaap. Just like Ronove is Ronoue Genji and Virgilia is Kuwasama, Nanjo represents Gaap, they both make corpses disappear and if you look into demonology, Gaap is a demon that practices of medicine and has the power to make women infertile.
>>746003052>Nanjo represents Gaap, they both make corpses disappearIs that the case? Gaap vanishes corpses, but Nanjo misidentifies corpses, or says "this person is dead" when that person isn't dead. They seem to do different things. Gaap was just the "I lost/misplaced this thing" mischievous gremlin that Sayu personifiedI haven't read Umineko in over a decade so I don't remember specifics but that is what I vaguely remember
>>746003052>Nanjo is the representation of Gaap.So ANOTHER fucking tranny in this game..
>>746002793But why? Why the fuck did Ryukishi obsess about the audience needing to understand the motives of all the characters to truly understand the story, yet neglect actually to write those motivations into the game?>Nanjo is l-loyal to KinzoIsn't Kinzo fucking dead in the story? Why the fuck even is Nanjo there in the first place?
>>746003373>Why the fuck even is Nanjo there in the first place?Free food
>>746003184If a corpse is alive, than it can move freely, efectively dissapering.
>>746003373>But why? Why the fuck did Ryukishi obsess about the audience needing to understand the motives of all the characters to truly understand the story, yet neglect actually to write those motivations into the game?it's a murder mystery
>>746003373Krauss probably invited him to fake a prognostic and help build on the lie that Kinzo is still alive.
>>745942310Battler is definitely a homosexual for not banging this. If Ange was my sister I'd paint her ass with my cum every day.
>long as fuck episode 2 Kanon-Jessica scene where Kanon goes to the school and watches Jessica play in a band>boring as shit, doesn't seem to add any real purpose>Umineko fans insist that it'll all make sense in the overarching plot>finish Umineko>no it didn'tIs this yet another thing Umineko fans lie about to justify their shit game being worth playing?
>>746006754Umineko fans need to justify why they spent 200 hours reading an overwrought and long winded story that could've been cut down by half, if not more, considering the majority of the dialogue is fucking laden with filler sentences, U-uuuuu's, *cackle cackles*, and various forms of tangents characters go on that don't matter to the themes or plot of the story.
>>746007803>U-uuuuu's, *cackle cackles*, and various forms of tangents characters go on that don't matter to the themes or plot of the story.Those are all kinos and you wouldn't understand. Go enjoy your mature and adult stories.
>>746006754In the original version of Umineko, Jessica was dressed as a witch (Marisa Kirisame) and sang a song about girls with flat chests.
>>746006754Isn't after that that Kanon tells Jessica about his "broken blade"? That's absolutely plot relevant
>>746008814They could have just had a flashback. No, instead, they spent an entire scene that took like 30+ minutes to get through.
>>745996284these murders didn't actually happen and are canonically written by a spiteful retard who read too many murder mystery books, so it's acceptable some of them would be cheesy af>>746006754>>746009085zoom zoom retard
It's hilarous how weebs insist Japan is based and not captured by woke ideology, then you just show them Ciconia which can only be described as the delusional ramblings of a schizo tranny.
>>745881451japan is already woke. you can't reverse it
>>746008447>Those are all kinos and you wouldn't understandThis is the only defense Umikeks use to defend the turgid story because they can hide behind the interpretive nature of the way the story is presented to the reader. Couple this with the fact every discussion of this game inevitably spirals into weeb faggotry of epic proportions, debating which aunt they want to copulate with and you have a recipe for a fanbase that is fanatically defensive and has an overinflated sense of worth for their golden calf. At the end of the day, it's all just self aggrandizing fart sniffing all the way down, with the author laughing at the fact that he wasted your time and made you defend it with the circular reasoning it ends with. >it's all just like whatever you want it to be, manWorse than an 'it was all but a dream' ending
As a schizophrenic, this is one of the most schizophrenic games I've ever played.
I'll be 500 post that puts an end to this thread Die tranime!
>>746010721Don't you have to get ready for school today, little shartgoylem?
>>746010323>At the end of the day, it's all just self aggrandizing fart sniffing all the way down, with the author laughing at the fact that he wasted your time and made you defend it with the circular reasoning it ends withUmiNECKEDo fags btfo'd
>>746009636>it's bad on purposeare you fucking me
someone... needs to make another umineko thread... so we can continue discussing joseph anderson's life...
>>746012025that's your own opinion, not what I said
>>745990802>>745993902>>745994195>>745998849>We never got Witch Jessica
