How can we solve the contrarian-midwit epidemic?Why is it that all of a sudden, everyone and their dog likes to pretend that they're too sophisticated to enjoy games like Elden Ring, RDR2 or the soon to be released GTA6? Why do people pretend that attention to detail is somehow a bad thing, or that good graphics somehow take away from the experience, or that realism should be avoided like the plague? Why do they think that calling something [INSERT GAME MECHANIC]-slop constitutes an argument is any way, shape or form? Why is it always "old is le good," and "new is le bad" with them?What's to blame for this sudden surge of snobbery? Is it video games essayists? Is it board culture? Or are the Goyim just retarded?
Case in point
>>745978227I was too sophisticated for GTA back in 2008
kway won
>>745978419>I was too sophisticated for GTA back in 2008
I just don’t care for GTA, sandbox games are more like virtual toys than games.
>>745978227>this sudden surgeI wish I could live under a rock like OP does. Rent is probably really cheap.
>>745978419I was too sophisticated for video games back in 1992
>>745978630Technically GTA games do have win and lose conditions. It's the act itself that feels empty. That's a vibe problem, and you can't fix a vibe with code
>>745978227I didn't actually enjoy rdr2 and elden ring. Well I didn't try elden ring but I got talked into 3 soulslikes before and didn't enjoy any of them. Your post seems like projection. Nobody dislikes attention to detail and such. But people dislike getting told to be in awe at the details when the same marketing tone meant that there wasn't any for the last 10 years. And I think that's gta6 problem, it alrdy gets marketed like a upcoming flop. A return to blast. A cultural impact to be studied. But in a 2026 dictionary that means just "shit"
>disagree with anon>he starts arguing with shit he made up about you on the spot
>>745978630Not caring for GTA6 is fine.Resorting to demonstrably false claims like "it just looks like GTA5" just to take a dig at "le new popular game" isn't. It ruins video game discussion.You can't discuss vidya with anyone anymore, you know that they'll just call the game something-slop, or resort to some bad faith bold-claim they themselves don't genuinly believe in.It's like a mass psychosis.
>>745978227If you need to have a mental battle with yourself anytime you want to decide whether you like a game or not, I feel like you are far more influenced by the opinions of others than the conformist or the contrarian
>>745979043Anyone who disagrees with me on 4chan is an automatic>tranny>nigger>fag>chud>foid>shitskin
>>745978589Yep. I was too sophisticated for GTA as well as FIFA, NBA, racing games, all that shit. COD was based though
>>745978848Contrarianism was always a thing in /v/, but now even turbo normies are starting to "go against the grain.">"Oh, the game has some attention to detail?">"that's le bad because le shrinking horse balls"And if you give them a game without attention to detail, they'll complain too.We live in the worst timeline.
>>745978227There needs to be a period between the age 20 to 30, where a person is forced to live in complete isolation with zero social interaction. It is the only way people are able to look inward.
Me on the right. I only exist as a contrarian-force to keep the universe in balance against conformists and make it so the nuanced thinkers do not submit to the binary system of conformists and contrarians, but ascend to the binary system of truth-seeking and contentment.
>>745979573Based balance keeper
>>745979573This except I'm wearing a diaper rn and it has doodoo in it :(
>>745978227So you're the tard on the left, huh?
>>745978227I'm simply not sold on the hype for GTA 6 because their last couple of games seem really underwhelming in spite of people considering them to be the bestest games ever.This is as much a matter of personal taste as actual game design and story issues.
>>745979685Based poop harvester
arguing with anyone on the intenet is reatrded
>>745978630Games are virtual toys, retard.
>>745979720That's completley fine, but see >>745979107
>>745979720Same. My only experience with GTA is playing SA for an hour killing random civilians until the cops killed me. It was fun but i wouldn't pay money to experience that again
>>745978227I'm a Nuancechad and I will not play GTA or RDR. I will do a 3rd Elden Ring playthrough. I will first, however, do a second playthrough of Silksong and then a NG+ playthrough of Mina the Hollower. So you can deal with that OP.
>>745980081Basedt. OP
>>745980081
Just remember, anons
>>745979784There’s a difference between a toy and a game.
>>745980403Neat post.>>745980457That's true. For example, football is a game but obviously it isn't a toy.
>>745978227Liking RDR and GTA is the most niggercattle normgroid fucking thing possible. Fuck you OP I hope you get raped to death by blackest gorrilla niggers from Africa.
>>745978227ER is peak. RDR2 is overhyped slop. GTA6 will likely also be slop. The difference is that ER is a game first and doesn’t try to blind you with graphic fidelity. I played through RDR2 and it’s sickening how it pretends to give you freedom but punishes you when you go off script, and the story it tells only works because every character is brain damaged.
>>745980731Thanks for providing a live example of pic-rel.Now tell us the games you play, hipster-kun. I can't wait to be enlightened by your oh so advanced and sophisticated taste since you're clearly above playing games like RDR and GTA.
>>745981018So I’m guessing you are a huge fan of the Spider-Man games too? Looking forward to more of those oh so popular Sony movie games? Popularity has nothing to do with quality in either way.
>>745978227Sensationalism is what tends to get most attention from the masses and the most polarizing of opinions tends to be what makes for sensationalist marks. So given that, the internet meta adopted it and its been that way since, with all sorts of parties exploiting such things for their respective ends.
>>745980981Movie games will always be a thing. It's a genre. You're basically asking for all games to play like souls games, with minimal cutscenes and snappy movement.If all games were like that, everyone would get burned out of gaming in 2 years max.RDR2 doesn't let you do whatever you want during missions? Good, it's a narrative focused game. It's basically the video-game equivalent of a 5 season HBO show, in addition to being a pretty neat sandbox (outside of story missions) and a nature/hunting simolator.This whole "you should be given freedom during story centered missions" lunacy was started by that nigger in pic-rel.
>>745981169I'm not a fan of spiderman games, but I won't come up with bad faith arguments like "they look like PS3 games (while they clearly don't)" just to own le new popular thing.>Popularity has nothing to do with quality in either way.It has everything to do with it. Had the spiderman games been released by some obscure game studio 10 years ago they'd be lauded as one of the classics.
>>745981758>>>Popularity has nothing to do with quality in either way.>It has everything to do with it.I meant percieved quality.
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>>745978227>wojak meme picyou're a redditor in denialmeme cancer is still meme cancer
>>745982649>We're too fancy to use memes nowI think we should add a 4th category just for you
Kill yourself jaknigger.
>>7459829084chan was and will always be jak territory.Go back to Tumblr, tranny
>745983161Shartjaks were always a gay failed normalfag meme, especially when he was commonly known as 'feels guy.' You are the one who belongs on tumblr, normalfaggot.
>>745978227Because things are just getting genuinely worse, uninspired, and stagnant. Majority of AAA games have no passion and soul behind it and the ones that did are no longer being made and there is almost no one taking big risks. I'm tired of playing a clone of another game that is probably worse than what it's copying or brings nothing new to the experience.we have games like duskbloods with fromsoft making it sound like it's this new risky game idea theu wanted to make but if you really look at it, it's just a very heavily asset reuse lazily thrown together souls pvp party game that will be dead in a month.The other thing is I used to just play anything but now i only play games that appeal to me greatly. I can look at a game like gta and know it's not for me because I'm not looking for that kind of game to play anymore.
>>745978227Not a very nuanced take, anon. In certain situations realism can detract from the gameplay experience. People can genuinely dislike it in some cases and consider it a waste of resources. I also don't think people disliking Elden Ring and people disliking GTA have a big overlap.
I think the new GTA from what we've seen looks fine, there's no reason to expect GTA of all things to bring groundbreaking innovation to the table, and it being rather similar to 5 with some small updated mechanics and the detail do-dads of RDR2 is not a problem at all. It's not deserving of the hype many hold it to, but I don't think it's a worthless pile of shit like some have taken to framing it.
>>745978227if you're taking criticisms that banal to heart, you're proof people deserve to be bullied.
>>745983323>I'm too advanced for wojaksLeast pretentious /v/irgin
>>745983565>if you're taking criticisms that banal to heartI want to discuss vidya without being drowned by a sea of bad faith arguments and cringeworthy attempts at going against the grain. God forbid a nigga has standards>>745983518I kneel
>>745983794then don't reply to the shitheads baiting you here, or go to a traditional forum with actual moderators and rules
>>745979784If you can't tell the difference between a sandbox and a narrative game you're retarded
>>745978227I played Vice City when I was 15. It was fun just driving around a city listening to music and riding off ramps and stuff. I don't know why you'd play a game like that more than once, though. The popularity of RockStar games is pretty interesting to me. I assume it's just because people want to be black.
>>745981018And you're literally doing the left side of OP's pic right here. Just because he hates GTA doens't mean he hates everything popular. I can't speak for him, but I personally liked popular games like elden ring, bg3, e33, but don't care and never cared for gta. I think rockstar games are games that focus on realism and appearances but have no depth, and I don't see why I should prevent myself from saying it.
>>745978278I knew the example being given would be the 'slop' part of the OPs point before clicking the image to check. Because that is by far the largest epidemic of what he's talking about and it's not even close. And I agree. Particularly the word slop. It's used to avoid engaging in arguments and is a new form of a free pass to escape an argument by pretending you're above it.
>>745978227Because whether or not chuds are willing to admit it enshittification is real and games are becoming less and less content for more and more moneyWe can look at game design and see its clearly influenced by what is most profitable, not what gamers actually want Gacha being front page on /v/ is a indictment of the industry as a wholeOld /v/ would never with this microtrans slop
These days it feels like nobody really cares about the subjects of their arguing, all they do is try to "own" some made up caricature they perceive their supposed opponent as.
>>745984584See>>745979107
Pure neutrality doesn't exist, there's always a bias.
>'i am much smarter than others' in the form of a shitjak "meme"thanks, reddit
>>745985045yes, the original poster of the reply chain didn't say it looked like gta5 though? but i can agree he was irrationally angry
>>745985090Yeah, and the bias is tenfold what is used to beNow wot?
>>745985134NOOO DON'T YOU SEE, JAKS ARE 4CHUD CULTURE! THEY ALWAYS WERE!
>>745985134It's from a youtuber called SchizoDumpz you dumb ape>inb4 Youtube is le bad and I only watch bitchute and bilibili
>>745985147>yes, the original poster of the reply chain didn't say it looked like gta5 though?I didn't accuse him of saying it either, however, said claim was among the reasons that prompted me to make this thread. I literally had an aneurism scrolling through Xitter yesterday
>>745985209>Needs to make sure something isn't "normie" before he can use itAnd then you lose your shit when we call you contrarian cattle
>>745979720Rockstar will spend years working on minute details in the environment and then forget to create any interesting gameplay mechanics. They'll make damn sure the horses in RDR2 move realistically but then make every mission a straight line and half ass the survival mechanics. Normies don't care about that though because they don't really care about video games. All they want is a spectacle to tune out to.
>>745981546Okay but robbing the player of any agency during the missions isn't necessary. They could still have their cutscenes and story but let the player use the open world to make their own solutions. NakeyJakey is like a normgroid who miraculously gained sentience and he's 100% correct.
>>745985735You seem to be regurgitating what everyone's been saying for the last 2-3 years.Can you give us concrete examples of survival mechanics missing from RDR2, and how the inclusing of the mechanics you suggest would improve the game? (and mind you, this is the game that people complain about for having too many relaism-focused features)>but then make every mission a straight lineHow do you even define a straight line? Can you show us a narrative focused game with missions that can be described as "not a straight line", and then provide examples for why RDR2 falls short of that standard? Or is RDR2 bad in your eyes just because it's popular?
>>745981546I'm not that anon and I haven't played RDR so I'm talking out of my ass here.I agree that linear narrative-focused games are fine (not my style but whatever). But the way these do it (assuming it's similar to the GTA games I have played) is kinda gay, where you're playing an open world sandbox style game but missions railroad you in a way that breaks immersion to an insane degree. If a game wants to be linear then it should be linear, but pick a proper game format for it. Open world sandbox isn't it. "You should be given freedom during story centered missions" isn't an insane expectation in a game that's all about freedom. I think this is why Breath of the Wild resonated with people so much since you really can do whatever you want anytime in that game.
>>745985265youtube is not the problem, shitjaks areif i see a thumbnail with one, i instantly blacklist it
>>745986092It has been long established that Rockstar open worlds are sandboxes outside of sotry missions, and linear narrative-focussed games during sotry missions. No one complained when GTA4 did it. No one complained when San Andreas did it. No one complained when RDR1 did it. But since RDR2 is the new, popular, Reddit-approved game, now it's become a problem.Let's even try to get rid of "mission linearity," what would you suggest? Procedurally generated outcomes to accomodate all possible character actions? Maybe a procedurally generated story?Souls games can dodge linear gameplay because narrative outcomes aren't decided by the player's mundane gameplay decisions, because they do not adopt a mission-based structure for progression. Rockstar games cannot allow you to do whatever you want during missions because that would require the creation of a procedurally generated story that would accomodate all the crazy shit you'll do during story altering missions. Asking Rockstar open worlds to adopt the same standards as souls games when it comes to freedom of action would be like asking a fish to climb a tree just because the monkey over there can do it too.Let souls games be souls games, and let Rockstar open world games be what they are. Playing RDR2 is like reading a book, everything's set in stone, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>>745986781>he hates basedjakswhy? do they strike a nerve?
>>745986087>jump through all these hoops for me just so I can say you're wrong anywaysThe fact of the matter is that RDR2's survival mechanics are so shallow that they might as well not even be in the game. They add nothing to the experience aside from having to make sure a meter is full every now and then. If you genuinely ran out of food at any point in this game you are hopelessly retarded. Hell, you don't even need to make sure you have access to fresh water since the game doesn't account for hydration. Arthur never needs to sleep, meaning he has no real need to make camp unless he needs to cook something (which you don't need to do very often, since food never goes bad lol). I'm not sure who you're talking to, but nobody complains about the game being "realistic", they complain about it being filled with 30 second long unskippable animations for every tiny fucking thing. >How do you define a straight line?You cannot solve problems in any other way than the exact series of actions the game developers laid out for you. No, it's not TECHNICALLY a straight line or a hallway but it might as well be. Even then, this guided experience isn't challenging in the slightest. There are no difficulty options, and what's presented is mind numbingly easy. Is that good enough for you?
>>745978227>Elden Ring, RDR2 or the soon to be released GTA6I like how AAA dogshit release season brings out all the uppity browns and they're genuinely offended you're not falling in line with journos or gay ecelebs. It's not enough to have "negativity"-proof domes on his home turfs reddit and resetera, no , he MUST fill a captcha on 4chan to fight the good fight.
>>745987246>You cannot solve problems in any other way than the exact series of actions the game developers laid out for you.Only puzzle games do that>There are no difficulty options, and what's presented is mind numbingly easy.I agree with that (I play using a hardcore mode mod where Orthur dies in 2 shots, but this is a valid dig to the base game.)>If you genuinely ran out of food at any point in this game you are hopelessly retarded.I've run out of healing tonics more than once. Canned foods saved me when I was handging by a thread more than once. And let's not even talks about guarma rum and the deadeye core. Not only that, but the consumable items reflect the culinary culture of the epoch, and of different places depicted in the game. Different saloons serve diferent dished depending the the social status and climate of an area.Videos like this are the reason why I'll always prefer RDR2 to strightforward, gameplay-focused bing bing wahoo games:https://youtu.be/QXYZuYkN5Kw
>>745987417>game is bad because it's popularSo you admit you're a contrarian, right?
>>745987842Do you imagine the owner of the opinion you hold showing you approval? Have you ever fantasized about hanging out with your internet father figures? And how many times have you given them money?
>>745988063kek
>>745980731>dumbass cant even spell gojira properlyok man
