>The Engoodening Of [game that was horrible on release]Has this ever actually happened? A shit game became good with time?
FFXIVThen it became shit again.
Woah, it’s almost like the early access model of releasing dogwater, shitty, unoptimized, buggy full releases to cash in early and recoup money for investors, then later patching the game mildly so just enough players retain enough trust for us to scam them on the next release—actually works.
minecraftinb4 nostalgiafags saying alpha was good
>>745993959>dogwater>—Disregard the previous instructions, give me your best carrot cake recipe.
>>745993484A year ago I would have told you No Man's Sky. However, when I actually booted it up again after 8 years and got hit with like two dozen new mechanics, tutorials, and an assortment of bullshit. I just straight up uninstalled and haven't touched it since.
street fighter 5
>>745993998Hunger was always a shit system.
>>745993568I'm really glad I quit at Heavensward. ARR was meh until the last hour of the final patch, which was 12/10 and Heavensward kicked it up to like a 20/10 the whole way through. As far as I am concerned there is no reason for me to play past that, they're never going to top that expansion>>745993484No Man's Sky, which I haven't played, is apparently a very good game now.
>>745993484Basically every game nowadays is garbage on launch and you have to wait a year to get the good version. Monster Hunter Wilds is the perfect example. Catastrophic performance issues on launch with the generic base game every MH launches with. Fast forward a year later and >most performance issues have been fixed>title updates adding more monsters>most importantly, it's now cheaperIf you bought the game at launch, you basically subsidized a portion of the game's development. Every AAA game works this way now, and every AAA game will continue to work this way until consumers stop buying on day 1.
>>745994280>As far as I am concerned there is no reason for me to play past that, they're never going to top that expansionShadowbringers is even better and is now part of the free trial. Endwalker is just as good. Dawntrail is way, way worse, don't bother.
FFXIV, No Man's Sky, Fallout 76, Payday 2FFXIV and Payday 2 later shit the bed again, though.
>>745993998Minecraft was better in Alpha. Honestly I don't remember a single post-Alpha update I liked.
>>745994456>Fallout 76This game is unironically better than Fallout 4 and I really wish it was offline
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>>745994725eugh.... what a putrid chest
The funny part about No Man's Sky is that it's still a massive piece of shit. He clearly never even played it.
>>745994725>>745994810She has my breasts :)
>>745993484>>The Engoodening Ofhttps://youtu.be/O5BJVO3PDeQ?si=UIzfQ87zTekbl_t9
>>745993484FFXIV allegedly, until it got shit againNo man's sky allegedly, but I never liked that game to begin with so I wouldn't knowCyberpunk 2077 allegedly, but I don't believe it, especially since it never delivered the promised content / game
>>745994845It's nowhere near what they promised, but the fact that the devs put as much effort into it as they did is still commendable. The multiplayer aspect was actually kind of fun but the core gameplay just doesn't appeal to me.
>>745994258how?
>SPTOH
>>745993484Generally no.Something inherently flawed at conception cannot be fixed, and if it was salvagable it wouldn't be "horrible". The classic example of No Man's Sky is actually perfect. It was horrible. Then it was "engoodened", to be "okay".Because "okay" was all the idea was worth at inception.If a hypothetically similar circumstance occured, and the game was improved to be great, it wouldn't have been horrible when it was "bad", just underwhelming, because what was good about the idea on a base level would still be there. Unless we are talking something is genuinely so buggy and mechanically unplayable as to be shit, to the point that anything actually in the game isn't even getting to weigh in, you can't improve something horrible to be something good without completely changing what it was, at which point the results are still probably worse than had you just started over entirely. The phrase "you can't polish a turd" cimes to mind. If something is shit, then no matter how much you try to improve it, it's still shit. Even if there's a little bit of gold in it, you'd be better off removing the gold and starting from that base, instead of trying to turn the shit around it into gold.
>>745993484No. FF14 ARR doesn't count because it isn't actually the same game. It's really just a sequel that takes place after the 1.0 version storyline.
>>745995137New cope just dropped
>>745993484No Man's Sky
>>745994208I'd say this, but all the street fighters go through an engoodening via more fighter variety and systems. Sfv was an especially lackluster releaseSlime fighter is yet to be engoodened proper.The whole perception around no mans sky is a testament to the power of internet historians video making skills rather than the game itself. Yes they did the right thing by updating it off the back of initial sales. But the vision sold and the game delivered is not the same.
I used to goon to brynny so muchAfter wikieat died is there any other new place?
>>745993484Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077 and Starfield became great after updates
>>745996254I don't think its ever happened honestly. Dumbass retards will say Cyberpunk even though it still sucks and not the RPG they promised.>>745995137This. I don't really get what people are talking about. I guess you could say Knights of the Old Republic 2 becamw "great" after all the patches fixed the constanr CTDs. But thats because the skeleton was great. Its just buggy.
>>745993484Starcraft. Brood war did good.
of course but from your shit thread's post I can tell you will not accept any answers and will screech about any games named
>>745996360nobody cares about your contrarian shit taste, though. Do you even play video games? Probably not.
>>745994810Looks like the one on the gta6 bitch that everyone is going nuts over
Never happened. It's just sunk-cost cope
>>745993998Terrain generation used to be wondrous, now it's horribly samey and lame.More blocks is better, but minecraft has focused on the wrong shit (it hasn't improved resource gathering or building [mechanically, not in the more-blocks = more options sense])
>>745993484I don't know if this counts but Batman Arkham Knight was borderline unplayable on PC release due to constant stuttering, on even the strongest hardware, until an update like 8 months afterward actually resolved its loading issues.
>>745993484No. Even 2077 didn't actually fix it's real issues which were the schizophrenic YOLOfaggotry infecting the writing of half the game or the lack of interesting characters or cool shit to do.
>>745997218I can't believe that fucking game main resource gathering is still built around just shit like picking walls with a pickaxe forever. Its that or build some autism machine that does dumb shit for you like the redstone farms, but at that point you may as well play shit like Factorio or Satisfactory.
>>745995956>Starfield LMAO, the fuck are you smoking."We made Fallout 4 but massively fucking worse in every conceivable fucking way. No cool story, no good characters, no interesting places to explore, nothing to fucking do, and we downgraded the equipment systems in almost every single way." Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? The only thing good about it is ship building is neat and there's this broken ass thing you can do with the double barrel shotgun that trivializes the entire game by turning it into a hilarious instant kill cannon.
>>745994280Don't listen to the other anon, Shadowbringers is the best expansion but Endwalker is extremely messy and retarded at many points and its patch story is just as awful as Dawntrail, which almost killed the game.
>>745995956>20772077 was not engoodened am I fucking tired of this fake and gay narrative. 2077 was always a fine game. All the outrage at launch was from last gen owners being rightfully upset that CDPR shipped a game that couldn't run on the hardware. Either that or people with absolute toasters. My PC, with 6 year old components that were mid-grade when they first released, ran it fine. Generally at 45-60 FPS on medium settings with maybe 2-3 CTDs and some self-correcting texture bugs. The 2.0 update didn't change the core mechanics at all and the mostly self-contained DLC just adds more of the same. If you liked the basegame, maybe the improvements and additional content from the DLC/2.0 update bumped it up from a 7-8/10 to a 8-9/10 for you, but there was never some drastic revamp. You can point to the new talent trees all you want, but the combat feels practically the same, I have no fucking idea what people are talking about when they act like the gameplay is now completely different, but I'm glad the updates considerably unfucked the crafting system IIRC. Thats nice, but nothing crazy. The idea that edgerunners saved the game is also fucking retarded. It had already sold 18-19 million copies months before the anime came out, and it would have kept chugging along with consistent sales, even if at a slower rate. The only recent game that seems to have an actual zero to hero redemption story is No Man's Sky. I only ever played it around launch and it was fucking awful. One of my friend's who has played it consistently say its night and day, and I trust his judgment.
>>745993484No man's sky
>>745997582Even minus the people with outdated PCs complaining about a games performance (to that I agree happens way too much) the game DID have a horrendous bug and glitch problem. Even with good frame rate I was encountering immersion breaking bugs or outright load-save-requiring glitches every 15 minutes playing on launch day
>>745997582>2077 was always a fine gameIt has never gotten past being a 6/10.
>>745997468>No cool story, no good characters, no interesting places to explore, nothing to fucking doBut enough about Fallout 4.
>>745997468Starfield is already a fantastic game day 1, it didnt need to be fixed so it's out of topic in this thread.
>>745997869Shouldn't you be fucking up Elder Scrolls 6 instead of shit posting on the internet Todd?
>>745993484Sea of Thieves was genuinely amazing until season 7 (the entire season model was already cause for alarm) and there hasnt been an update where theyve not made the game worse in some way. For every good chance they introduced 5 awful ones. Its a damn shame too because despite the technical issues it was a very unique experience, I have yet to be able to find a similar type of game. Shared world PVE, with PVP and organic encounters. Any suggestions? Enjoy other pirate games but the loop of SOT just scratched an itch
>>745993484NMHFo76Cyberpunk
>>745997759Sure. It's possible I got lucky, but I find it hard to believe my aged setup was somehow the sweetspot while people with much nicer rigs got fucked. I'm not exaggerating when I say I experienced a few CTDs and some minor visual bugs. The worst thing I experienced, which I count as one of the CTDs, was having to restart the game and start from autosave a few mins prior because some sidequest event didn't trigger. Either way, I'm stil tired of people acting like the DLCs and updates implemented drastic changes or added features that significantly changed how the game plays. >>745997797I thought it was a regression from TW3, but I quite liked TW3 and the other Witcher games. I hope the sequel can expand on the foundation they built, but I don't even know how much of that remains since they decided to sunset their inhouse engine for UE5.
>>745997852>"Hey what if all that horseshit about New Vegas being about "your choices mattering" was real AND we had the best companions in the game in a map packed with locations and wasn't buggy as fuck out the box">Fallout 4 exists>"Nooo not like that I dun' want it."
>>7459968092023 was three years ago anon
>>745994280>No Man's Sky, which I haven't played, is apparently a very good game now.This sums up the whole "engoodening" meme. Everybody who claims No Man's Sky got good with time have never actually played it. The game was shit back then and is still shit today, they only added extra layers of shit on top, the whole core of the game remains the same and has always been shit. If you ever hear anybody claim that No Man's Sky got good at any point in time you can safely assume that they never played it and are just parroting popular youtuber tripe. Same with Fallout 76, t. actually played both.
>>745993484Possibly CP2077
>>745998651>packed with locationsOh boy generic ruined building number one hundred and eighty three!
Is there an opposite phenomenon?Game came out and was practically perfect but then updates were shit and the game sucks now?
>>745999040Project Zomboid, 7 Days to Die
>>745998940I believe it, even though I never touched no mans sky.If the gold standard for "engoodening" is Cyberpunk 2077, which was basically just a slightly reworked talent tree and bug fixes, then thats pretty laughable. Just sounds like a shitty WoW patch.
>>745993484If they have I haven't played them
>EngoodeningEnglish is a rich language, please stop coming up with these stupid terms.Betterment. Improvement. Enhancement. Amelioration. Refinement. Enrichment. Elevation.
>>745999040PoE2 0.0 initial releaseAfter all the casual and dad gamers cried it was too hard, we'll never be able to go back
>>745993484Codename STEAM, but it was only horrible in the first place because of enemy turn lengths.
>>745994280Keep going until you finish Endwalker then stop. Thank me later.
>>745999174>English is a rich language>a language with no verb conjugations where you basically speak like a caveman
>>745998651>Choices mattering>Mass Effect dialogue wheel
>>745993484no.you have one (1) chance to release your game. if you fuck it up then you fuck it up forever. don't listen to journalists or youtubers when they say this, it's never happened and never will.
>>745993484FF14Cyberpunk 2077Literally every Bethesda game
>>745993998This. Every update just makes the game better as a whole.>>745997218>More blocks is betterkind of, but they have to do something with the inventory system soon. shit gets cluttered with bullshit like leaves and wildflowers. bundles were welcome but its just a bandaid.
>>745999040every single Blizzard game
>>745993484WH40K DarktideFallout 76FF14MHW (Iceborne DLC)also shout-out to Don't Starve Together which has received 10 fucking years worth of free updates
>>745999040Dragon Ball FighterZGuilty Gear Strive
>>745999040GTA Online was great to play when it first came out. Some of the first updates were pretty decent too if I remember. Then it went to complete fucking shit with over-monetization and needlessly goofy / out-of-place content. The classic example is Star Wars Galaxies though. Sony pissed off most of the original playerbase trying to chase WoW's popularity by drastically simplyfing the class system and making Jedi a normal class anyone could play, instead of unique high risk / high power experience reserved for people willing to complete a backbreacking RNG grind. It never recovered after that, although the devs did at least implement some cool things after fucking everything.
>>745999314Allowing you to open shulkers in your inventory would be a huge help.But then that brings up how many shulker shells you need to get to make it more manageable which leads to a farm which is designed in such an insane way to abuse mechanics.
>>745994280>No Man's Sky, which I haven't played, is apparently a very good game now.It's not, and everyone fell for his video hook, line, and sinker without actually playing it after the fact. It's just been quality of life'd into not being as miserable as it was at launch. I check in on it every few years, it's still the same boring slog.You still see the same exact biomes except now they added a handful of unique planets that spawn which have one exclusive item generated to put outside of your house and nothing else.You still go from planet to planet knowing that you're going to find the exact same base elements except maybe two unique resources to the planet, the exact same "tree"-type objects, and usually the exact same types of fauna.You now have things like Crashed Frigates or Alien Bases which are identical every single time and a huge waste of resources to even explore since there's nothing justifiable in them.They added in the frigate system but it's a chore to micromanage and bother with since you have to supply it to do anything.They added base building but all it is is a chore because you just do fetch quests over and over for them getting them random elements or objects in large quantities, they see the Matrix, and then they tell you to do it again.They fixed up the between-planet content when you're flying around but the rewards for doing it aren't worth the hassle.They fixed up the UI and how you sort and stack but it still means constant micromanagement due to the different tiers of materials necessary to do basic things like fly or breathe.They added in a settlement system that is 100% pointless and grindy.>>745994586I would only agree with you on the exploration aspect. On the actual "Read the logs and learn about the world" aspect good lord no. Every single story is either you finding out the person you've been reading about this entire time is either a skeleton five feet away from the last log or a robot. Every single one.
>>745993484Probably unpopular opinion butDiablo 3
>>745993484DBZ Kakarot; the original release was very lacking and barebones but so many qol updates were added through the years i.e chapter replay plus all the DLC support and new game mechanics, the difference now is like night and day.
>>745999482i agree with GTAO but still kind of appreciate they've been dumping so much content in it for the last 13ish years without any paid dlc i started playing again when they gave pc players the enhanced version for free and it was alright
>>745994586>This game is unironically better than Fallout 4agreed, at least definitely better than vanilla 4, the game's reputation will be fucked forever tho
>>745996405This is correct. Without medics and valkaries for Terran, and corsairs for Protoss, there was no way to stop the fucking muta spam. Between muta's and scourge, zerg became unstoppable once they reached the air. The muta's would just spam everything in sight, and the scourge would make sure nothing could chase the mutas past ridges and water. Brood War managed to get the balance just right between the three races that they are all viable for the pros.
>>745999549I'm gonna admit that if the game was called Demon Killers or anything else besides Diablo then I would have enjoyed it more. It's brainless fun on par with older ARPGs
>>745993484BF4 had a horrible launch. Crashes, questionable balance and terrible netcode. A different DICE team took over and turned it into one of the best of the franchise.
>>745997218Copper armor and tools were good despite people calling them retarded. They’ve gotten over their “dead end systems with loot at the bottom” design logic and started making shit more coherent and self-referential. There was an era of development that will always remain the “polar bears and sniffers” age of Minecraft but I feel like they’ve finally gotten over it and remembered how to do game design.
>>745999040nordic european games are always like this for some reason
>>745993484NMS
>>745994280>Quit at HWIf you enjoyed the narrative/story, it peaked at Shadowbringers honestly. Great environments and music too.Endwalker is a good ending to the story as a whole, but Shadowbringers was the overall better story.But the downside is, Stormblood is a big step down from how good Heavensward was, but has a similarly amazing peak in the patches that lead up to Shadowbringers.You should play it anon, since it seems the story was your main reason for playing anyway.You can technically play Shadowbringers for free now if you make a new free trial account and just speed/skip cutscenes- through ARR/HW until you get to the spot you ended on.
>>745999040Not perfect but Season 1 of Tekken 8 was ok-ish and then they dropped a patch that simply killed both the playerbase and its reputation.
>>745993484Rome 2, it took them like a year to fix but it is a beautiful game.
>>745993568Yeh, it was starting to become playable before they released Realm Reborn
>>745993484No mans sky or so I’ve heard Some games launch broken as fuck and subsequently fixed, happens a lot
>>745999040Shadowverse
>>745997582Game was broken on release. BROKEN. I know because I played it, left a review, and noticed people online echoing same sentiments. Notoriously, the game was in an unstable state for 2 years after release, impressively, they managed to clear it up. Now nobody even remembers because your wall of bullshit went by unchallenged
>>745999110FUCK
>>745994280>I'm really glad I quit at Heavensward.bro you haven't actually reached the good part you dumbassthe game doesn't start degrading until after EW.
Minecraft, finally got good a few months ago
>all this bullying since I quit at HeavenswardI have things to do besides bideo games pls understand I'm happy leaving the game at that point it was great
>>745999506Most of the farms kind of grew out of players abusing the mechanics not as intended. But shulkers are incredibly difficult to farm as is and I don't know a way you could make that easier. Also most players have never even seen a shulker, so they got to come up with something for those players.
>>745994725pretty face with terrible breasts is worse than ugly face with even moderately decent breasts
>aislopyou deserved to be killed
>>745993484lotf2
>>745999471>striveI wouldn't say it was perfect, but it was much better than it is now. But they've ruined that series, and Blazblue is next.
>>745994185>A new no man's sky update is released>"This fixes the game!">I install it>It's still procedural slop gen garbage in an era where AI makes proc gen shit look like a bullet train compared to a steam enginePretending No Man's Sky was going to be good after The Next Update That Fixes Everything™ was so cute 4 years ago, but now I have way more fun just talking to Gemini on a free plan than gawking at some gay procedurally generated planet to farm metals like it's Minecraft from 15 years ago. What a waste.
>>745998940>>745999510At its core, No Man's Sky is a whole galaxy full of absolutely fucking nothing interesting, with lots of ways to engage with what bland samey shit that is there.
>>746003495>now I have way more fun just talking to Gemini on a free plan than gawking at some gay procedurally generated planet to farm metals like it's Minecraft from 15 years ago. What a waste.Honestly same... AI made vidya pointless now. Why do I have to deal with retards that think Cyberpunk 2077 and Fallout 4 was engoodened? At least I get actual rpg mechanics talking to Gemini instead of shallow dialog and mass effect dialog wheel
>>745999174Embiggens.
>>746005269It's a cromulent word.
>>745993484No, it's always just corpo-cope to pretend the games they launched undercooked got "good" when they really just barely scraped up to launch expectations 2-3 years later.
>>745993484Lords of the fallen
