I'm getting really sick of fighting games. The genre was supposed to be a high skill, competitive genre, but it just isn't. Maybe it's just Arcsys games that are total memes? Because you watch competitive footage of say Blazblue or Guilty, and it's total garbage dogshit where you literally can't do anythingPlaying it is even worse. So are there good fighting games or is this it?
who is forcing you to play them? do you want me to call the cops and send help?
yes please
>>746564473Discord post
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>zohar delayed to mid septemberwhat is kamone cooking?
Tokon is smaller than Strive after 3 weeks
>>746565810Performance on PC is terrible because of their stupid anticheat
>>746565810Tokon is borderline unplayable for me, 2/3rds of the matches simply run too poorly
>>746565885>>746566268Matchmaking still takes for ever for me on top of that. 5-10 minutes are not okay. Game is mid at best too
Tokon works fine for me
>>746567286it works weird, I've had back to back matches but also huge delays
>>746565810Sony managed to make Tokon flopFeels too late to save at this point
>>746547385The point of GV having a clean hit is that it turns it into a VIABLE option to be wary of and an opener for Sol to get an actual combo. Xrd GV is HORRIBLY butchered for no real reason, forcing you to RC to combo (in which there is no reason to do so unless it kills), it is completely punishable ON HIT if the opponent times their burst allowing them to do a fat combo on you, and just make Sol's mixup even more frustratingly narrow. Sidewinder is the same. It gives him significant presence in the air which is ENTIRELY absent in Xrd. You challenge Sol in the air, he might get a jH into VV in neutral in most cases or some air combo into Bandit. Jumping dust is great as a counter hit but almost abysmal to use as an air poke in most cases, and you certainly can't use it well for wakeup jumping mix because of its hitbox. Sol is instead turned into a stagger focused counterhit character which he wasn't at all in the original games, and requires significant patience and reactions to use him in higher play. And in a game like Xrd, everything Sol does, the top tiers completely outclass him in. All he has going for him is damage. There is zero reason to play him unless you like easy to use characters.
>>746564425I played 100 matches straight and mostly lost. What do I do now?
>>746570759>Xrd GV is HORRIBLY butchered for no real reason>+r sol gets to confirm a fast travelling, screen wide low into a decent damage combo>knockdown>it also goes under some low normals/specialsgee I wonder why
>>746572329don't forget it's frame 1 low profile and goes under a shit ton of stuff
>>746564425The good fighting games are the old ones. Like Plus R and Blazblue CF. If you don’t like Plus R I don’t think you like fighting games.
>>746572651Can we add Avatar TFG to the shill circlejerk pls
>>746572749I haven’t played it. Looks better than most modern fighting games though.
>>746572329Yeah... almost like there's a reason people use Sol in +R and barely in Xrd. He's one of the few characters that got completely shit on and they never bothered to fix him. I'd even go so far as to say that he's the ONLY character that that had an objectively worse moveset, and probably the worst one in the game. At least for everyone else like Axl, Potemkin, Zappa, the so called "low tiers" still have shit going for them. Sol just has YRC GF and Wild Throw and praying you hit 6H. Dragon Install is still too risky to even think about using.
>>746572935They put Zappa in xrd finally? Took them long enough.
>>746573012Fuck, I meant Zato. I'm really tired.
>>746572935Xrd Sol lost his clean hit privilege though they bring it back in Strive
>>746573058Maybe they’ll do one for xrd like Trinity where they add Zappa
>>746573495How would that work
>>746573618They got his model in the thing
>>746573282>though they bring it back in StriveThey took it away from Fafnir and HVV in the last patch Maybe they'll come back next season after they remove Sidewinder clean hit
>>746564425>So are there good fighting gamesPlay Arcana Heart. I mean that sincerely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xe4z0qn-ZIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lv7T-rM1Tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL7qgCHIrlchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xJN4tQVeYk
>>746572935bruh I think you are overexaggerating
just one more active tag fighter bro i promise theres a market for it just one more the next one will be a hit for sure
>Hate SF6>Hate Tekken>Uni2 is still supported but dead in general. Discord fighter or max ranked assholes versus newer players making it impossible to learn. Not a fun experience.>Strive is fun and it's the one friends play. It's definitely not good however. >Yomi Hustle is dead>A few quick matches is dead AND controlled like shit despite beating the drum about being smash inspired.>Rivals 2 too expensive for a garbage experience after the free demo period.Honestly I just play Httf on Fightcade and Strive. They're fun enough, even though I hardly ever win.
dude must've creamed himself when he saw Riot announce 2xko's end
>>746572214The answer is one of two roads.>Answer 1, you're autistic."I'll keep trying despite losing being the most common outcome.">Answer 2, you're normal."I have better games to play and things to do besides be a punching bag for people who've played this 1000 times more than me and matchmaking thinks this is a fair fight."
>>746574750>Death of a game 2XKO alreadyShit he had that lined up didn't he?
>>746574823Everyone had it lined up after Riot fired half the staff, the only ones that pretended it had any future were the fgc
>play fighting game>lose>stop playing fighting game>play souls like >die>keep playing souls like Why?
who is the cutest vidya fighting girl in (you)r opinion
>>746564849The nerf patch probably is taking more time than Zohar.At least they came out and said Zohar is going to come out at around TGS instead of us needing to speculate that.
>>746575076Hope they realize they need to add Vatista too
>>746574992when you lose in a fighting game you lost against someone else that saw it, when you lose in souls like it's just the computer, you can try again and no one was watching, unless you got someone watching and then you can usually just joke about it
>>746574992>Some other dick plays cheesy>Lose>Move on>Souls-esque game>Lose>Can learn since the AI only has a finite number of moves and fixed difficulty, versus fighting Ryu 20 times and getting 20 different versions of the match up because varying skill levels are behind hadouken man.I'll take Monster Hunter or a Souls game over fightan any time. Not even counting the whole>Can brute force fights by gearing up / winning fights gives tangible in game rewards and progressionThing.
>>746574370Note how in this clip he used YRC GF twice and tried WT. Come on nigga, be serious.
>>746574992XD
>>746575290yea but he won?
why are there so few shotacon characters in fighting games?>>746574526I have no problem finding fellow noobs in uni2, there's usually a few different B-D players when I play.
>>746575463And in this clip he did YRC GF twice, again, and got off a 6H. Again, you are only proving my point. Also you're using clips of Haken, the GOD Sol Xrd player. Pretty sure he's like top 5 players of all of Xrd's history, didn't become more well known because travel costs are a bitch. He put in thousands of hours to make Sol work. Sol is usable, but he requires much more effort and luck than other characters at high levels.
>>746575134Don't reply to me, shitter.
Okay, SF3 wasn't really a good experience. Like, I can't even land a hit, while I'm actually kinda fine in meltyAlso why is KoF somewhat the most popular game on fightcade anyway? I thought you FGFags adored Street Fighter. I think I might learn KoF since it’s the most popular. Popular = better, right?
>>746576325>KoF somewhat the most popular game on fightcade anyway?3S and the modded 3S always hold top spots.
>>746576325>Also why is KoF somewhat the most popular game on fightcade anyway?You're surprised a game that's on a free platform that has games (dubiously) free and is a cesspool for poor thirdworlders to populate has the shit that was run in their local arcades is the popular one? Really? Are you sure you're not stupid or something?
>>746574759I will be autistic and keep trying. I will go to replays later and try to think what I could have done right (I did everything right the first time but whatever)
is there a better feeling than beating someone in the mirror that clearly knows better combos but you understand the basics more and they leave pissy after they get one game in
>>746577724I deranked one guy in the mirror (not even my main) and he kicked me from his lobby.
>>746565810>smaller than doa penis vacationJust one more tagslop bro.PleaseOne more tag and it's mahvel baby
>>746575280But why are fighting games so bad at teaching how to beat the cheese? Souls likes have a lot of bullshit too but people spend the time to learn them. Is it really just the predictable AI? Then why don't people play against AI in fighting games?
>>746578315Replay takeover solves everything but not all games have it and most retards are too dumb to use it
>>746564425just play Uni or Avatar
>>746579156Most Mikafags don't play the game. They've said so themselves.
>>746579035I LOVE REPLAY TAKEOVER
>>746578315You can just grind or use broken builds in souls games, it's extremely easy to rig the game in the first place, and you can get good RNG on the boss attacks too. It takes very little effort to cheese the gameIf you want to beat a move in a fighting game, you have to sit your ass down and learn, and you have to do it for every move that gives you trouble, plus universal things like offense/defense/mind gamesYou can put tutorials in the game to make that easier, people still won't do them
What if mahoraga played fighting games
Tōkok needs Jen and Carol!
>>746578315>why are fighting games so bad at teaching how to beat the cheese?Nowadays fighting games give you the tools to identify cheese and how to counter it, but any fighting game with any decent number of characters in it is going to have such a giant amount of stuff you can be cheesed by/cheese people with that it's unreasonable to tell you everything the other player can do, and let's be real it'd be unreasonable for anyone to read all that shit too.>Is it really just the predictable AI?No but it is a factor. The bosses in Souls games are designed to be beaten by you. They have a downtime between their attacks, a moveset you can exploit and the AI that will intentionally follow some sort of pattern that can be exploited. Unless you've severely handicapped yourself or you're going out of sequence and hit a high level area, there's always a strategy that you can come up with in your head that'll see you winning. In fighting games every character has tools to fight and beat every other character unless you're playing Blazblue CT Tager vs Nu in which case you're allowed to bitch as much as you can, so there's not a strategy you can come up with and always beat the other player. There's no set pattern, so they can always come up with some bullshit you're not expecting and you'll have to adapt to, or the other way around specially if you're based like me and like playing unorthodox low pick characters.>Then why don't people play against AI in fighting games?Because beating other players is funny as fuck, and gives you moments you could never experience fighting against an AI.
japs are melting down because punk tbagged someone in the world warrior tournament and it got clipped by the official sf page https://x.com/CapcomFighters/status/2094181239528022083
>>746582603Doing that against gief is ballsy, based if it was intentionally too long to kill
>>746582603Why is this faggot still so smug?Has he won ANYTHING of note this year?
>>746570759Xrd GV is a combo ender, the corner carry and knockdown are great and does way more damage than BB, crouch confirms with 5H/6H and lightweight routes with 2D>no mash GV are really strong for how low commit they are initially, and if you jump install it the RRC into air backdash BB is one of his absolute strongest routes>>746572935Sol is the single most played character in Xrd
>>746583809*does way more damage than BR
>>746582986he's just black. they have to overcompensate.
>>746564425>Because you watch competitive footage of say Blazblue or Guilty, and it's total garbage dogshit where you literally can't do anythingWhy do you retards always love to say retarded shit
Guess the mystery guests.
>>746576325>animebab thinking hes sweet because airdashes an mashes j.c in game with no antiairs plays grounded game (not really lol in sf3 you jump and mash forward for parry) and gets filtered Lamo
>>746574992The latter actually involves enjoyment of some kind
>>746578315People like tangible progression and a lot of fighting games don't really have that When you beat something in an RPG you actually get something or progress the plot, not told to just do it again for good boy points.
Has anyone been able to get off fighting games after playing them for years? I spend my whole free time playing them, watching FGC content, and masturbating to female fg characters.>>746576325>why is KoF somewhat the most popular game on fightcade anyway?It's literally impossible to find matches in KoF15 in certain regions at certain times. And people still respect the original KoFs in LatAm, Korea, and some ME countries. Sooo yeah, play '98 for 'footsies' or 2002 for bigger combos and much more responsive controls. In fact, play any KoF, they're fun.>>746587231They fucking hate women wtf. Yuri is the only chick that makes sense but it's probably another blond guy from back in the day.
>>746589557If there's some good singleplayer games out then yeah, I still like to play fighting games though.
Thoughts on Relius and Carl Clover?
>>746589557I come and go with fighting games. I'll pick one and grind that shit for like 300 hours, then wait a couple years until I get the urge to do that again.
>>746590450>reliusswag>Clovershould be a loli instead but also swag
>>746587231It's so damn cool a new character each month why is cotw getting ignored? Most people don't seem to have tried playing only naming ronaldo sex life or 1 AI trailer as to why they dislike cotw...
>>746590929>played KoF 96 when I was younger but didn't really keep up with SNK.>never LOVED or hated SNK afterwards and I still have my favorites from SNK like Yamazaki, Kyo, Iori, etc>don't have nearly as much nostalgia for Fatal Fury>don't really like the mechanics of strong universal mechanic attacks or the rev gauge mechanic>visuals don't really do it for meComes down to not really jiving with any of the characters just based on their visuals and individual gameplay, and the rev blow stuff didn't interest me neither.Like it's cool it's getting so much support but it doesn't mean a lot when I don't give a fuck about the characters they're adding. I imagine this is how many people felt when MBTL got free characters for a year and a half too.
>>746564425>I'm getting really sick of fighting games. The genre was supposed to be a high skill, competitive genre, but it just isn't.Zoomers fault.This also happened with RTS. Dota and LOL garbage killed Broodwar , AOE2, Warcraft 3, etc.SF6 is just fucking DOGSHIT just like Dota 2 and it also killed fighting games.We will never EVER go back to a skill based genre now that it's been infested with undesirables, this happens with literally everything.>Cool Thing>Cool Thing becomes popular for some reason>normies kill itExtremely dissapointed to not see the japanese older player base, the ones that constantly shit talking every single entry known to man, not shit talk SF6 the worst SF ever made, i guess the money or the economical crisis is that bad.SF6 doesn't even feel like a Japanese game.
>>746590450why did they make characters with no counterplay
>>746590929Dumb paid poster.
>>746587231Lionel MessiBjork
>>746590929>It's so damn cool a new character each month why is cotw getting ignored?Because it's temu SF6 and SF6 already fucking sucks. Also looks really bad
I end up enjoying most of the fighting games I try. My friends always find a reason to absolutely hate the games they try. It feels like they're trying hard to like a genre that they simply don't like. Do you guys have friends that are like this? Wondering if it's common because I know 4 or 5 different people like this.
>>746591965It is WAY more common than not for people to think that way. It's a common trend that people LIKE the idea of fighting games but also hate playing it.
>>746591784>temu SF6This is my favorite parroted opinion about CotW
>>746564425Games that de-emphasize neutral shouldn't be called fighting games.
>>746592249and whomst did i got it from?
>>746574992because you have a fragile ego and cant take a loss against real competition
>>746592397You tell meNot from actually playing the game though, that I know.
>>746574992The fuck are you going to learn from a modern fighting game? It's just coin flips, it doesn't really challenges you at an intellectual level, it's just mediocrity for zoomers with a room temp IQ.Souls are challenging and that's the fun part about it. Just like 3rd strike, just like chess, just like all the good stuff. Games require skill and complexity, modern games have none.
>>746592458From getting hit with a temu DI , random EX moves and see half my healthbar dissapear. Similar buffer and combo system as sf6, extremely lenient.
>>746592249That's what it is. That's why it's such a flop.
>>746590929Ronaldo taking a slot is a pretty big problem
>>746576325Fightcade is free and runs on a toaster so you'll see a ton of Brazilian and Pakistani flags next to people's names in the KOF lobbies, it doesn't hurt either that 98 is peak fighting
I only play honest mains in Tekken 8. My mains are Victor, Dragunov, Armor King and Lidia.
>>746590929I tried the beta and every character felt super sameyNone of the character trailers have shown anything that looks different, every time they just show a bunch of combos and then some special for neutral that's either a projectile or an anti-projectile move
At least SF6 characters have stocks or some shit to TRY and differentiate themselves from the universality of Drive Rush normals.
>>746593149baked in systems that make no difference in how a character is played because they are proactive most of the time. mobile game design.
>>746584010>>746583809I've played Xrd since it first came out. I've done many Sol matches, played against Sols better than me much to my own chagrin, and seen many, many more Sol matches online. Not ONCE have I seen a single one of them do Jump Install GV. Not even the top tier Sol players, and there aren't many.
>>746564425I haven't played any post-2020 fighting games so I can't relate.
>>746574992>Lose in PVECan repeat the attempt immediately again and again until you get it right>lose in PvP mobaCan blame teamates, can enjoy other aspects of the game as you are losing to cope>Lose in PvP shooterUnderstand why you lost immediately and can just jump in again>Lose in pvp fighting gameDont understand why you lostHave to go to a different mode to repeat the specific move you lost to and puzzle out how to even beatFace a completely different character next attemptBarely get any damage in, absolute stomp again.
>>746591965>Be the only Fighting Game Connoisseur>Have IRL friends>All of them are trend chasers from friendslops to Gachashits but all of them are cool because they're not that much of an addict and they're ok playing old games plus each of them has their own autism>They play fighting games but it's just SF and Tekken but mostly Tekken all the time>Tried to convinced them to play other fighting games>It worked mostly on anime fighters mainly Strive, MBTL, BBCF, UNI2, DBFZ and even older fighters too like +R and MBAACC.>Lowered my power level to play for fun with them>Good times happening>Then they go back to SF and Tekken>Convinced them again>One day it worked, many days it don't>Goes back to SF and Tekken>SF and Tekken>SF and Tekken>Friendslop>Friendslop>SF and Tekken>Friendslop>Trending games>And on and on and on and on sometimes it worked again and then go back to the vicious cycle againI don't mind them playing only SF and Tekken but I wish they have more interest on other fighting games.
>>746593978at least you have fighting game friends
>>746593978At least you have friends who play fighting games.At least you have friends who are interested in videogames at all.
>>746594042>>746594082get a room together and kiss :3c
SF6 killed fighting games. Zoomers are brown ugly mystery meat and also extremely low IQ of course they are attracted to mobile gameplay
Tokon being as much of a flub as it has been is crazy to me. Aside from SF7 or Tekken 9, an ArcSys game built around a brand as big as Marvel seems like it should be an easy success by fighting game standards. Every aspect of the game you see Sony's touch on is horrific. I'm curious to see if it can ever recover. I'd like it to because even with the issues with the game itself it interests me more than any other big fighting game at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't at this stage.
>>746594516post your fighting game hours
>>746593978oof kudos for trying
>>746572935I prefer Xrd Sol, he looks cooler with the black flame effect in all his fire moves, moves like Fafnir and Riot Stamp are way more impactful and DI is by far the coolest it's ever been in Xrd. I prefer HOS to any version of Sol so +R still has the best one in my eyes, but Xrd is second.
>>746594640If you are not going to post anything relevant don't post you stupid necrobumping mentally ill fat old nigger. As if bots and indians were not bad enough, i also have to share the site with borderline retarded rogs.
>>746594859Go beg for attention elsewhere you sad faggot, Good Lord.Call your mother or something, idk
>>746590929It could have a million characters and people wouldn't want to play it. A good content output only matters if you like the game in the first place, people aren't going to play something they have no interest in because the developers keep adding shit to it.
>>746594553I'm kinda sad about it. I think it's a fun game. At the very least, PS5 shouldn't be affected right? Maybe some day, it'll be fixed to the point of PS5 players reenabling crossplay
>>746594969Rosterfaggots cannot refute this
>>746594553Current day Sony is radioactive poison, not surprised a fighting game attached to them is bogged down by that. ArcSys got their paycheck which, at the end of the day is all this is about for them so they won, but it is a shame that a potentially good game is off to a very rough start. The game itself can probably be made better but it sucks to know that the PC version will never, EVER be fixed because it would require Sony to NOT be the greedy, retarded cunts they are.
>>746591478Arcsys is more interested in capturing anime power fantasies than creating balanced games. Blazblue's gameplay was meant to take this to the extreme.
no way shitty ass granblue outlives tokon
LOOK HOW HARD I HAVE TO WORK FOR MY DAMAGE
>>746595285KUHUHUNothin' personnel, capefag
>>746595053The PS5 version still suffers for it because the whole thing gives the game as a whole such a negative reputation that it puts off people from playing it at all, and excluding PC players as it does stifles the overall playerbase a lot which gives the game a lower profile overall and also makes crossplay much worse.
>>746595285you underestimate the mindbroken devotion of gachafags
>>746595449There's gotta be like, a 5% overlap between Rising players and gacha players10% if we are generous
>>746595285reminder that the tortanic lasted months before it crashed, Tokon lasted like.... 2 hours? And yes this is SF6 fault, Reminder that Sf6 has autospacing for neutral and Tokon has that + Autospacing for fucking grabs.Literally made for dumb retards.>>746595449>you underestimate the mindbroken devotion of gachafagsModern fighting games follow gacha and mobile designs, same coinflip dogshit gameplay. Maybe that's why chiildren, indians, nigros, jeets and nips like it so much, stupid people do love to gamble their life
>>746595468gachafags =/= gacha players, plenty of people have attached themselves to jpegs without playing the actual game
>>746595518out of all the things people can complain about tokon, you're complaining about the shitty run before throws in a game where throws mostly suck?
>>746595518 post your hours
>>746595607That sounds smarter than actually being a gacha player tbqhwys
>>746595663It's the design philosophy, that auto spacing grab tells you all you need to know in the same way Puke being out of range after Cr.MP tells you everything you need to know.The games play themselves. All that's left is gambling decisions.
>character dp is 623c >has both 236c and 236236c moves that are useless and just get you killed>mfw you have to do dp without mashing impossible
>>746595678Notice the cope for their shit taste without any notion that there's any value to their games
>>746595518The browns you are talking about have been fans of fighting games since their inception. Hell the brownest fuckers alive are fans of loads of the old games that you can play on fightcade and make up the largest amount of the playerbase there.
>>746594516Thankfully plus r saved them
>>746595663Any other game doing that? Small issue but why input throw = walkThrow cinematic wallbreaks such a pain to watch
CHIGGER CHAGGER
>>746595853The new gen are basically mystery meat trash.Compare low tier god or mike ross to the hideous fucking rats that play sf6. Zoomers are defective, the cellphone ruined their brain they are literally too fucking stupid to play real fighting games so now fighting games are designed as mobile games.It's not about the skin color. It's a brain color. Mystery Meat.
>>746596062Sorry i meant to say prodigies omfg so pogchamps hardcore gamurrs!11!
>>746595960Not identical, but aren't throws in UMVC3 and Nen Impact the same input as forward dash?>Throw cinematic wallbreaks such a pain to watchAt least you get decent to good oki on themMidscreen throws being like +5 is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen
>>746596062>low tier godYou thinking there is some massive difference between the blacks and browns playing old games and new games is funny. You using fucking mike ross and low tier god as examples is downright retarded.
>>746596478>expecting any kind of logic from the resident /pol/tard who doesn't actually play ANY fighting gamesjej
>>746596421Yeah, I'm fine with wallbreak throws, but midscreen throws feel awful. I hate throwing someone and just having them roll up on me and start mashing.
>>746596478>You thinking there is some massive difference between the blacks and browns playing old games and new games is funnyThey are different. Even the nip zoomers are different in a really weird/odd gay way. Society is in a rough spot and the entire gen Z being so fucking stupid is reflected in the way fighting games are designed.
>>746593783Really? Sol is my fourth character and I do them sometimes, shit is not hard, any time you can route into 2H on the ground you can just do 2147S and the route after isn't even hard, just airdash back 236[K] when you land into Fafnir>6P>delay GF>2H>BR or whatever ender. Obviously you'll see the normal 5H>GF RC>f.S>BB route more often because it's not super common to get a ground hit you can confirm into 2H like that but it's a fantastic DP punish when you're too far from the corner for a regular dustloop route or you get a counterhit 2S>6H confirm or something.
>>746593978Like the other anons said, be grateful. At least you don't have groups that are filled with petty mentally ill manchildren that cause drama every single fucking time you do it which winds up creating cliques in discord servers and no one does anything anymore without those inner circles and you can't play with either because you know they're insufferable assholes. Seriously. Be grateful.
im having fun with doa6lr. wish there was a trainer for it like the base game to unlock all the skins and music.
>>746564425Im done with Tokon(deez nuts). the game was fun at first but then I started to really dislike its mechanics specially active tag and how long assists stay on screen. makes me really wish it was just a 1v1 game or a 2v2 with no active tag. back to solely playing SF6 now.
I thought I was good at fighting games, but since I started playing online in 2015 instead of locally with friends and random people, I realize I'm not very good, or at least I'm average. Even so, I enjoy certain characters and games, even if I lose. That's why I like random characters like Faust or Hero.But Platinum is my all-time favorite fighter, she's so much fun and the only reason I still play BlazBlue occasionally
he's a fucking genius
>>746597114Plat is a lot of fun in Entropy Effect too.
>>746564425Sorry, but you’re not allowed to criticize fighting games. The people who still play them get very touchy when you say anything negative about their favorite game and they will call you a shitter even if you’ve been playing for 500 hours before reaching this point
>>746596617>I hate throwing someone and just having them roll up on me and start mashing.This is my biggest gripe with teching, I feel like too many hits devolve into this, while proper conversions will let you setup to cover every rollSo with Tokon, if I get an anti-air 6U/3U with Danger, not only it's almost impossible to convert, but they can forward tech in my faceI'm not even +10, and possibly they can be at an angle where they'll crossup and 2H whiffs on empty jumpsEven if they're far, they cover more distance by getting hit and forward teching than they will by blocking
>>746597365And they will all run away like roaches when the lights turn on when you challenge them to get a grasp what their understanding of their game looks like.
>>746597246Correct. This is also the reason why sf6 and modern games are so coinflippy and volatile, everyone gets a chance now no hurt egos.
>>746597062I was on 5 different subreddits just now and all started to hate tokon at the same time.
>>746597365>>746597428I don't care how many hours you have played something, if you post a retarded opinion I will call it a retarded opinion. It really is that simple.
>>746597246Not another fucking tag fighter unless it's a Gundam EXVS like fighter which is make sense.
>>746597513word. well I never read much less post anything on reddit. its muh true feelings yo.
>>746597685Lemonade, huh...
>>746597274yeah, she is also very OP in that game
>>746596639Just because something is easy to do doesn't mean it's optimal or something well known. That combo requires half meter and does less damage than just going crouch kick to 6P into a standard BNB. And that's even assuming you have the meter to begin with. It's a niche combo for a niche situation. There are millions of other ways to spend your meter as Sol, with better, less risky ways of opening up people that doesn't require spending meter for damage either. The move just sucks in Xrd.
>>746591447dota is a 23 year old game, how did zoomers kill rts's with dota when they were at most 3 years old when it came out
>>746590929>why is cotw getting ignored?because the gameplay is more sf6 garbage and the game is incredibly ugly
>>746597961Dota 2 / SC2 and lol killed RTs. Dota 1 only killed the UMS community
>>746598018CotW looks better than Dix (an incredibly low bar, I know) but faggots can't get ENOUGH of that shit for some reason.
>>746598117because people play street fighter as long as it has the street fighter name, they are cattle
>>7465980712fast2recover
>>746597543I read it more like offering different modes so that scrubs will continue playing. It's honestly a wonder why modern games haven't included more things like KOF style teams or those party bosses in dbfz when they're clearly aiming for casuals
>>746564425Tekken 8 suffers from being 3d and way too many moves on each character. I think I'm switching to SF6 soon
>>746572935As someone who ever plays rushdown characters I do think that playing Xrd Sol is an absolutely miserable experience. I only played him for so long because he was easy and hits hard. He is too "no bullshit" in a game where every character has at least some bullshit. He's not fast enough to blitz you so I have play a smart neutral with pokes and counterpokes and more thoughtful movement and hope I'm not fighting a character that just beats you in that neutral. And he doesn't have grimmy mix or suffocating pressure so I just have to play a super honest strike throw game. Like, I get it. Meat and potatoes are good but I cannot do it for every meal. I have to read you and condition you for fucking everything? Nah man, I need to cheat you a little bit. Xrd Sol is probably an objectively good character but he feels like work 24/7.>and barely in XrdBrother everything plays Sol. There is one in every lobby. That makes it worse too because every also knows the Sol matchup.
>>746564425Play SoulCalibur
>>7465983522 specifically
>>746598279Boss raid mode would be pretty cool.
>>746598071and retards will defend this shit franchiseThanks for the webm
>>746598071>get hit one because lolz skillz>die after guessing wrongWow very cool game, incredible!!!
>predict opponent is going to dash in poke>they IAD>predict the opponent is going to IAD>they run up low pokewhy is neutral so FUCKING hard
>>746598071If the NA scene had any balls they'd turn this into a gif and spam it on every single sf announcement capcom makes on social media until they fix the game.
>>746598616>until they fix the game. working as intended
>>746598605>predicting IADis there a single game where IAD is unreactable, maybe filia in skullgirls?
>>746598503>>746598556are you trying to say SF6 is a game for remedial rogs?
>>746598616yeah retard you're right if they had any balls they'd bitch on twitter just like you imagine them doing
>>746598071>whiff>get hitwowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
>>746598071Is this implying he tod'd?
>>746598742i'm saying the franchise have been shit longer than have been goodi dont know whats remedial rogs
>>746598819you dont like SF6?
>>746598884no
>>746598962why not?
>>746591351This. I even stopped watching character trailers, they're all the same and not in a cool way. Trying to revive FF in a post-arcade era was a dumb gamble objectively. But I'm glad about the story stuff, like seeing hag Yuri (probably) being Robert's wife is heartwarming.
>>746597906What normal hit combos is Sol doing midscreen that don't cost 50 bar? 6P>5H>sj.iad j.K stuff? They exist but they're even more starter specific than 2H ji GV, not to mention 5x harder and more character specific too, and do significantly less damage. Even his standard midscreen RRC route into BB does less damage and less corner carry. Obviously in the corner you just dustloop.GV is a pretty bad risk reward mixup option without 50 bar in +r too, yeah it's better in a vacuum but so is literally everything else in +r, if you're getting away with it more that's more about your opponents in +r just being more likely to fuck up than the move itself being stronger. It's still a useful move that Sol gets a decent amount of value out of, you just have to be a little smarter about it. Don't get me wrong, "I really like catching people trying to jump with GV into a full combo with the clean hit meterlessly" is a perfectly valid opinion and a possible reason to like +r Sol more than Xrd, but it just doesn't have these massive effects on Sol as a character and his position in the meta that you seem to think. I try to avoid using them in arguments but even most tier lists have Xrd Sol higher than he is in +r.
>>746597849Hey I know that artist.
>>746586951So you've never seen footage, got it
>>746590450>unblockable setupsNot competitiveGame can be a fun party masher, like Melee, but not a genuinely competitive game
>>746598071>faggots crying this hard over the most barebones, basic, vanilla SF character, fighting game character in general ever just because he can dash up to you like everyone elseGetting filtered by RYU of all characters is proof that these niggas do not like fighting games.
>>746599574based retard
>>746598742It's made for really really stupid people
>>746599615Slowest overhead in the game btw. Cry about it. Meanwhile Gief SPD is still 1 frame and does 40%.
>>746598337Sol can play like that but yeah it isn't what makes him good. Sols biggest strength is how hard his defensive options warp the other guy's gameplan around them, backed up by consistent knockdowns and huge cashouts. His mix is fine, good even off properly spaced safejumps, but once someone is blocking he's mostly just strong but universal strike/throw/frametrap stuff so you have to play patient offense and react to corner escapes with airthrow and shit to beat people that can block well and push you out without taking risks. Losing the 3f 5K is actually probably the biggest thing hurting his pressure game in Xrd because it's noticeably worse at catching people fuzzy jumping.
>>746600330still a retard
>>746599112>GV is a pretty bad risk reward mixup option without 50 bar in +r tooWhat in the fuck are you talking about? You get a stagger poke in that leads to GV with clean hit, what happens? Lifebar fucking shredded. WITHOUT meter. You do the same in Xrd, you need to spend meter to do less damage than a BNB.
>>746572935>Yeah... almost like there's a reason people use Sol in +R and barely in Xrdthis is not a real post
>>746600394>NOO SOL NEEDS A PRIVILEGED 3 FRAME NORMAL TO CATCH UP BACK WILD THROW IS USELESS WITHOUT IT
>>746598318Thanks for telling me you got filtered, bitch retard.
>>746600781Sol and Ragna are similar in one aspect by you losing to them. If you lose to Ragna, you got outplayed by a character that has the most honest mixup in the game, in a game with Arakune, Izanami, Mai, etc. If you lose to Xrd Sol, you just got fucking outplayed because this nigga has no access to easy mix.
>>746599630how so?
It's actually really funny how obsessive the SF6 antis like to get in these threads because you know they were the same faggots who obsessed over hating SF5 the same way and now they praise it saying it was a real SF or some stupid shit like that. Just a bunch of rogs like LTG.
>>746600984>jP>Wild Throw>slow walk>6P/2H>5P/2P/2K/2S>Wild Throw/Fafnir>5H>IADjS/high jump jH/Grand Viper>spaced out Bandit Revolver>continued pressure>be slightly minus>Volcanic Viper>deep jS/empty jump 2D okiyea...Xrd Sol has mix bruh>
>>746565810>Strive already sub 3-digitsThis genre is entirely dead besides Street Fighter huh
>>746601161The entire game is designed that way. Reduce execution, reduce skill, reduce solid play, add rng making the game volatile. It's not fun, fighting games were made for a small niche and everyone was cool with it, now the niches are dead thanks to sf6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSg408i-eKw
>>746601383There's no way this is a real post lol. Xrd defenders are sludge people
>>746600945Why she crying? She has the most belligerent 5A in the game, a command grab that deletes your life total and a DP
>>746565810>smaller than strive>literally has a higher peakThese threads truly brings out the most retarded fucking apes to ever exist, it's almost fascinating
>>746601616Just don't fucking reply or give them attention dickhead you know how retarded this board is and the only way to discourage is to not feed.
Last time I took a fighter seriously was pre covid. The communities were raped by troonism afterwards, it's just too disgusting to be around now. Hell it was getting bad before that too if I'm being honest.
>>746600394>Sols biggest strength is how hard his defensive options warp the other guy's gameplan around them, backed up by consistent knockdownsYeah, I will give him that. Sol does have an amazing DP and gets safejumps or meaty gunflame off of everything. >once someone is blocking he's mostly just strong but universal strike/throw/frametrap stuff so you have to play patient offense>you have to play patient offenseThat's the problem. That's why I meant when I said no bullshit. It's all reads and conditioning. I basically covered all that in my first post. See:>Xrd Sol is probably an objectively good character but he feels like work 24/7.And I don't even a problem pure strike throw but GG has way more fucked up offense that the average fighter. If that's the name of the game I'd rather just be overwhelming you with nonstop pressure or nasty mix if it means giving up defense.I have definitely had matches where I know I won because I called out someone for mashing with 6P or 6H or caught someone napping with WT. And even then it still feels more like work than fun.
Is this a nursing home?
>>746602137No this is Patrick
>>746602137Worse, it's a millennial home.
>>746602137millennial larping as boomers home
Really hope the new generation washes the zoomer filth away.Having young hands and playing a game as dogshit as sf6 never really made any sense to me.
>>746603224but the new generation is the one playing SF6 too along with zoomers
>>746601524so what was the peak fighting game that lives up to all you mentioned?
>>746603273They are absolutetly killing them, next step is asking for a game that rewards more skill and less coin flips. high hopes for the future.
>>746603224But the new generation are the exact people playing the new games. 15, 14 and 10 year olds playing and loving sf6 and strive. Not playing Tekken 8 though because even that is too shit.
>>746603880>absolutetly killing themIn what reality are you living in? Cut your delusion quickly before you go insane.
>>746604027The one where a completly random 15 year old "prodigy" wins a tournament. They are not retarded (hope so), they'll know better, trust the plan.
>>746600984ragna is 100% worse than xrd sol
will virtua fighter save fighting games? sega has been more solid as of late. people are sick of sf and tekken and looking to jump ship for a while now and vf is looking like the place to be
>>746604412Imagine unironically believing this lol
>>746565810no it isn't? that's not what the chart says? Tōkon has a higher 24h peak?
>>746604461imagine unironically believing xrd sol is bad
>>746601486the genre is dead because SF players continue to play lobotomized games, sf should not be alive after sf5
>>746564425What went wrong?
>>746604575SFV is excellent though, Dix is when it actually went to shit.
I think we should all agree that +R sol is too strong
>>746604647SF4 is excellent though, Jive is when it actually went to shit.
>>746604626the PC port just flopped because it launched in a state that was unplayable for like, half of users. that's it. the PS5 version is probably fine. seems fine to me whenever i watch DotoDoya play.
>>746604504Never said he was bad, just that he's shit compared to everyone else. Can't think of a single matchup he has where it's largely in his favor.
>>746604787SFIV IS excellent too, yes. That part of your post is correct.
>>746604575SFV was a good game, though. Ono was the only thing standing between us and a tidal wave of predatory MTX.
>>746604332Them even competing is the opposite of killing them you fucking moron. That means these games(or atleast just SF and Guilty gear) are thriving and getting new blood that will continue playing and enjoying new games like the ones they currently play as even more young and new people come and also enjoy said new games.
>>746604451If every other hit goes into a 10 second animation it's going to be shit.
>>746604953They are killing the competition (tokido won btw). They know better, they will ask for better less coin flippy games, trust the plan.
>>746604451No idiot I got sick of Tekken and just either stopped playing fighting games or started booting up strive because it actually makes me feel something that isn't total negative emotion or a lack of emotion and Slayer is fun. Popular game players will just move to other decently popular games or stop playing completely.
I'm having fun with Tokon, but I keep getting baited into anti airing and then eating a full combo because they called their shooter before jumping at me. It's gonna take a while before I actually get used to playing a tag game.
>>746604884sf5 was a bad game longer than it was a good game, it should not have survived but sf players will eat literally shit for years just because it's sf
>>746605179Or you're pretending to be retarded here's another (You)
>>746604412Nigga you put CF Ragna into Xrd and he instantly becomes top 5 with 6B, Gauntlet Hades and his three chainable (out of his 4) lows alone. Not to mention: >his hitgrab>godlike conversion off crouch without meter>LONG range C >IAD inferno divider>air B crossup>air C reach>air D upper range >insanely plus 6D for endless rushdown>near fullscreen invulernable dash super>health regen with D buttons>midscreen combos with raw lows that corner carry in neutral thanks to dead spike (and also D divider)And that's before any bullshit like doing IAD mixups on wakeup and shit. Be fucking serious.
>>746598071This wasn't a tod, Bison had at least one more chance, possibly two. Completely balanced game, Ryu is an honest character.
>2XKO deadDSP was right once again.
>>746605267Anti-air with your vertical assist, it's safe on whiff, plus on block, and combos on hit with better scaling than 2H
>>746605329Why?
>>746605343>put [character] in [unrelated game with different system mechanics] and he's brokenwho could have thought
>>746605314i don't think that's possible unless the current version of the game is bad.
>>746605386The signs were there from the beginning. 10 years to make a fighting game is ridiculous. Kudos for Pattheflip for singlehandedly screwing over his fgc buddies for ever getting a developer role in any big vidya company ever again thobeit. I still cant believe he published that article
>>746605343>If I put this completely different character in a completely different game they'd be a different tierNo shit retard.
Is it really that weird to think that Alphas won't be as retarded as zoomniggers? They know the game is ass, they are great at playing it, society watched zoomers troon out and kill communities ain't literally no way it hapes twice in a row. 3 good gens and 1 dogshit one, book says so it must be true.
Between Plus R and Rev2, which game has the better/stronger low tiers?
>>746605526>>746605673>disingenuous low iq brained faggots not getting the pointConcession status?
I'm excited for the Tekken 8 EoS
>>746605710+r probably, xrd has a better everyone else spread though
>>7466056851. Zoomers didn't kill communities no matter how much you wanna doom2. Yes you are retarded because they are fully capable of voicing complaints as much as anyone older and they are explicitly liking newer games. For example arcsys(strive, gbfvs), mk and SF being more popular among young south americans than snk games.
I can't believe granblue won
>>746605710Definitely Xrd. Ky in +R is completely fucking abysmal, even for +R standards. Damage is all he has whenever he's lucky, and some setplay with Force D but that requires meter. He has decent zoning and mix but he's just too weak by +R standards. You can still do shit but it's an uphill battle. Meanwhile in Xrd he's turned into a cringey fucking looping character with knockdown into grinder into fireball for FREE mixups. Not that he's low tier in Xrd, but this is how Xrd changed its characters that were "low tier". Axl has several counters, a YRC projectile, multiple overheads AND a DP AND multiple lows AND can still combo from fullscreen. And he still has a grab. Potemkin gets a free confirm hit with Slide into his air move which is genuinely probably one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever seen given to a character. Not to mention YRC SIGNIFICANTLY increases the threats of his dash to command grab and his gameplay entirely. Bedman is supposedly """""""""low tier""""""""" but he has abusable, dishonorable, bastardizing mix with an 8 way dash with the easiest access to instant overheads next to Tiger Knee Yozansen, armored dash, free setplay thanks to his Blazblue ass gimmick, and he can also do that shit with his projectile allowing him to control neutral. Zato is a puppet character. He still has puppet character shenanigans. Enough said. Jack O is a heavily momentum based character but she can absolutely smother you in minions if she knows how to set them up properly. I don't think Answer is low tier, he just requires more effort and is extremely underutilized because people wanna tierwhore like crazy in this game.
>>746604626>20 second block strings with 6 active tags
>>746605810>Tag 3 gets announced>it's just as bad or even worse
>>746606027>Zoomers didn't kill communitiesThey did, 4chan being one of them>anyone older and they are explicitly liking newer games.They make money >, mk and SF being more popular among young south americans than snk games.dead games, dead genre
>>746605810I like to think about things that are impossible too, xister.
>>746606507you lost, ellie
>>746606285I dont think +R ky is abysmal with his many pressure resets and safe long pokes
Who the fuck is ellie
>>746605429I think I'll have to learn to do that. I've been using Doom as my vertical to snipe out people jumping across the screen. I haven't tried using it to anti air jumpins yet so I don't know how will that'd go
>>746606673/vg/fags have been dragging their shit here for weeks for some reason.
>>746606285I agree with most of this but>Zato is a puppet character. He still has puppet character shenanigans. Enough said.Eddie is super fucking easy to kill in Xrd. Granted I almost never fight one, so maybe some SS tier Zato could make it work. There is also an entire youtube playlist that teaches how to deal with him and beat common knowledge checks.
>>746606683Projectile assists are better suited for long range options for sure, but Doom's vertical is like a 40~45 degree angle so it should work?
>>746606770>weeks for some reason.Try literal years.
>>746606929Yeah, the angle is pretty good for it. The only thing I'm worried about is jump ins from a little bit closer in because he doesn't get air invuln like DP type assists or 2H. Definitely should've been using him vs people that like to jump in from across the screen though.
>japanese shit talking Punkit's over for zoomniggers, dude is as irrelevant as the game now. Who's left now? No i think that's it, it's legit over now.Normalize being nice
>>746607307Maybe Punk shouldn't act like a fucking rog in public for no real reason.
>>746604412Ragna is one of the worst characters in CF and Sol is solidly mid/high tier in Xrd>>746600542You are really underestimating how much damage it doesYes he does more damage in +r, so does literally everyone except maybe Johnny. GV is still his highest damage meterless ender midscreen(Except 6P>5H>sj.IAD j,K stuff which is even more limited), and his highest damage RRC route midscreen, outdamaging his standard 5H>GF RC route, the reason you don't see it that often is because just confirming into GV on its own is already very solid damage so while 50 bar for 100 damage and a better knockdown is a good deal the meter might be better spent on other things. In the corner you don't need it for going into dustloops anyway. Not having clean hit GV is really not holding him back as a character.
>>746607307Can someone translate this post for me?
>>746564473>says this about the game genre where players have to regularly BEG OTHERS to play with themLmal
>>746564425>Please pay 60 bucks for a game with 9 characters and like 2 and a half hours of unique content tops>and please pay another 30 for this years and next year battlepasses>and 15 bucks for standalone characters please>oh and dont forget to shell put another 40 bucks when in 3 years we update the game and a singleplayer mode and balance (make worse) the game too
>>746608217This has already been debated to death, current practices are better, you're just an idiot and young and late to the discussion. Bitch about something else.
>>746608427>No paying more, less content and waiting longer is GOODJust make a full game at launch?
>>746608217Dont forget the fact most players dont even actually play the game and just worship their favorite eceleb>JUSTING WONG SAID THIS SO I MUST SAY IT TOO
>>746608427>current practices are better,Zoomer revisionism
>>746608561das od tho
>>746606858Really good Zatos can make him work still yeah, there's a guy on netplay that goes by ? and he plays neutral like an absolute cunt but he's got the best conversions and setplay I've ever seen from the character. He's definitely not outside of low tier or anything but there is countercounterplay to most or all of the counterplay to his stuff, and his win condition is still extremely strong. If you get knocked down in the corner without burst and he's got enough eddie bar to run his mix you're as fucked as against any top tier in that situation, he's just more limited in neutral and conversions into that situation, lacks easy knockdowns and relies on a resource for it. Also his defense is godawful.Deserved tho desu, he was top tier on release and that was awful, he's way cooler as a rare specialist character that you know is only played by real sickos who will play him even when he's not worth the effort.
>wolverine game looks dogshit>he’s boring as shit to play on Tokon Logansisters…
>>746605768i think you should accept that youre a fucking retard
and they say that Smash is the party game :/
>>746608217Fuck off retard>>746608427>current practices are betterOK retard
>>746610015Holy fucking degeneracy
>>746601898the fruits of being a reactionary:>miserable all the time>erecting mental blocks to prevent oneself from enjoying one's own hobbies>when confronted, has no recourse but schizo arguments of accusing others of being the thing he's afraid of, or calling them shills sent by the government to trick him
>>746610015
>>746610015 current era of fighting games is not salvageable
>>746610015 hate this garbage game so much
>>746610015love this kino game so much
>>746610015I'm so fucking sick of tag fighters.
>>746575463why did slayer 6p on his knockdown
>>746608217You fuckers wouldn't buy a game that came with a free battle pass and cost 40-50 to anyway.
>>746610015isn't this fixable if they just lengthen the cooldown on assists?
>>746608217ENTER
>>746610678I assume it was to bait out a DP. His 6P has complete body invincibility, except for lows, for some reason.
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I hear a bunch of people saying to end your strings into auto combo for better oki in Tokon. Why specifically auto combo? Don't you get the same red explosion thing with any combo if you go past the combo limit?
>>746610890you're right in front of them on the ground more often when you do the auto combo finisher, and i think the knockdown frames are better
Tokon hate seems a bit overblown to me. Game was shitted on prior to release for being sauceless and easy now everyone hates active tag providing mix and want neutral in a fucking tag fighter as if fags were playing footsies and whiff punishing in Marvel and DBFZ. PC port issues aside the game is pretty rad
>>746610887They're really only gonna add ranked mode for the Xbox release this Thursday huh, grim. Game was launched in early access.
>>7466108826P doesn't really beat sol DP, at best they clash usuallyprobably looking for a fuzzy throw or mash attempt or something which would explode on counterhitbut slayer players do just kinda do shit sometimes, maybe he wanted the clash and a danger time activation and was trying to do something funny
>>746610890I think its because with autocombo you can automatically max out the combo instead of guessing when it'll happen based on your starter
>>746606394They'll never make another tag game. We gonna get Tekken Revolution 2
There is literally no other way to innovate the genre. They figured it out 25 years ago. Now the only “new and exciting” features are more gay comeback mechanics and long ass flashy super combos which just break up the flow of the match. The only time their meager playerbases get a boost is when a new character comes out because Zoomers lose their shit over the Hamburglar coming to Mortal Kombat
>>746610015The existence of MvC2 has been an absolute disaster for tag fighters
>>746611469compared to the betas, people have now been given significant lab time to figure out the game and what's been figured out is that the significant amount of guardrails the game was supposed to have were there for a reason and people have figured out how to bypass them to turn the game significantly worse than intended, and it doesn't help that Spiderman and Magik are absolute braindead degenerates who do just about everything significantly better for much less effort. Degen mix isn't actually fun and people are tweaking if they think the MVC games have as much or more mix than Tokon does, when the number of characters actually goes down the longer a match goes in MVC and the person with less characters can still win even without X-Factor, partly thanks to because bad assist calls can get punished extremely hard. Meanwhile the endgoal of Tokon is to flood the screen with bullshit so neither player can see anything for half the match and then expect me to shake the hand with the blithering retard playing spider/magik/storm/blade who only knows one combo
>>746611469the game is barely functional when you learn how to play it:>>746610015>>746606391
>>746612002Are we going to pretend incoming mix in MvC isn't degenerate to deal with that often leads to a character dying?
>>746612002>that moment when the assist starts their stupid taunt animation and you can't hit themso fucking retarded
>>746612152just block it/tech the throw and then you can play the game again
>>746612073We got people complaining about bad assist calls going unpunished with the first clip ending in a happy birthday and people complaining about degenerate mix with active tag but the defender blocking most of the mix and not taking back their turn after blocking or using assemble counter or crossover counter either
>>746612367>We got people complaining about bad assist calls going unpunished with the first clip ending in a happy birthdayhey twat, have you seen what's above the healthbars in tokon? that's right, it's a FT3 game, you losing a round off a single happy birthday TOD is still less punishing that your entire character being removed from the entire match in only 3 seconds, or worse, losing two characters off a happy birthday
>>746611469i agree with you. two weeks ago people were crying the game had no sauce and now that it has sauce niggas are crying that its overwhelming. fucking Capcultist parasites are moving the goalpost anywhere they can to try to disparage Tōkon.
>>746612367peni has no turn in that clip. it only looks like it because cloud messed up at the end.this is where the clip is from:https://x.com/cloud805/status/2093150240404869588pay attention to when peni assemble counters
anyone wanna look at my replays
>>746612931Sure, please post them anon.
>>746612510I don't see the shared health bar as an issue. Causals hate learning more than 1 character in a fighting game and Tokon allows you to play 1 with 3 assists with it being viable while playing all 4 characters using active tag is also a strong option. That's always been Tokon's game philosophy, playing how you want with it not being a traditional tag fighter. You get less health the less team members you have also so the game does punish you if you don't build your team to have all 4 characters available.
>>74661267321 seconds peni had a chance to take their turn back. And in that tweet Pred correctly states in his reply that a crossover counter with all asissts out would have worked as there's no assist to come out to do the perfect reflect
>>746612581>Capcom fags and mvc 3 larpers salty there's no MvC 4>Anti-Sony fags want any new Sony game to failSony sabotaged the game with the PC port issues but the Tokon hate brigade is quite strong. Since much worse launches for fighting games and seen much worse 1.0.version for fighting games get less hate than what Tokon is getting.
>>746612581Screen being full of confusing scrubby bullshit does not mean it has sauce though, it is the natural result a game with fucking 4 person teams though
>>746613245>21 secondsyes. this is cloud's mistake. 2L2L whiffed, if he did 2L5M she would have no turn.>free crossover counteryou have to take 2-3 mixups before that happens.
>>746611469Yeah I don't get it either. It needs ironing out like any fighting game on launch but I like what's there.
I just can't get past the control scheme on stick bros...
>>746614281you mean for tokon or in general?
>>746587718I remember getting tilted at Melty to the point I finally just started spazzing out in the air and throwing out random j.Cs. I expected to get shit on for it and feel like an idiot but the game actually got a lot easier.
>>746614178So in other words you need good defense and awareness to deal with all the active tag shenanigans at high level, it's strong and will probably get adjusted with patches I don't see it being game breaking or infallible
Reminder that you can safely discard literally, and I do mean literally any post talking about """sauce""" It doesn't matter if it's a positive or a negative opinion, it's retarded.
>>746612983
>>746614729Low tier character btw.
>>746614181Also funny how everyone hated the sight of wallbreaks in Tokon now the stages without wallbreaks are hated due to how you can tod easily with wall combos. I honestly like the wallbreak system vastly over whats in Strive and it adds an element of a stage being important much like how 3d fighter stages are.
>>746614720Fucking true. I knew the sauceless shit in Tokon was going to be disproved upon release and it was.
>>746564425>So are there good fighting games or is this it?This is it. The autistic try harding is the game, the meta, the "fun" and the point of all fighting games.Every fighting game ever made is basically rock em sock em robots with varying layers of complexity. But below the surface thats what it is. Reaction speed, match up knowledge, APM, Hitbox meta knowledge, etc. Thats as good as it gets. If you dont like it then its probably not the genre for you. Try something like animal crossing or viva pinata
>>746614796he needs two midscreen unblockables
>>746614995Oh, thank god. Only two! Two completely indenfensible attacks. Just two. Nevermind the HP they take, it's just two. No big deal.
>>746614853>I honestly like the wallbreak system vastly over whats in Strive and it adds an element of a stage being important much like how 3d fighter stages are.I agree cause I didn't care for them in Strive either. Here I haven't really had issues with them. I like the option to break a wall or not and having to think about what I want to do after instead of being forced to have my combo interrupted for federally mandated wall break sequence.
>>746610887YayJudging by the art there I guess they'll be talking about updates to those 3 chars. I still don't think they'll overhaul them until after Evo France.>>746611509I don't think we know. Personally if I had to choose ONE thing it'd be multi-person lobbies/spectating.
>>746615120Yeah that option of breaking a wall goes a long way. The wall health in Strive just feels annoying at times and positive bonus is still strong despite the nerfs it's had over the years.
>>746615792Yeah that would be the better thing to add, and i do hope the game has repalys you can view of higher level players on the leaderboard too. It's honestly the best way I learn tech for a character as well as seeing how other players deal with characters I struggle against
>>746615084yea lets give him one more unblockable in the corner with his alternate shadow summon
>>746610862This game did everything right except for floorhug/ccAt least platform fighters have one more chance with Combo Devils which unironically is the best fighting game of the past decade
