Why do people like this shit? Like what the hell is wrong with them? They quite literally have no redeeming qualities. Everything about them is painfully bad.
>>746902292The bad games get the spotlight while actual quality games get ignored. It's quite simple. You only know about the lame walking simulators, horror games, and JPG gallery porn games because those are the ones curated the earliest and in the largest quantities.
>>746902292>This user is underage
>>746902292See >>746902385 and webm rel.
>>746902385>>746902618Why not just use game maker at that point?
>>746902679>no argument>no discussion>Nirvana fallacy post that contributes nothingJust don't post at that point.
>>746902907nta but people will look at these (admittedly amazing feats of engineering) and say "why not just use game maker" because at this level of engine overhaul you're likely calling a bunch of draw sprite operations, using the database variables as registers for a bunch of custom systems/UI, and forgoing a lot of the built-in features that are meant for a Dragon Quest-style RPG. The engine is being used more like a framework (e.g. Love2D) than an engine, and by using RPG Maker to make these games, you're actively fighting the engine to do what you want, rather than the engine being helpful to you.You can think of these posts as "look at this sculpture of David I made with a toy chisel" and then people saying "why is a toy being used for this, just use an actual chisel"
>>746903940Well, if it worked for Undertale.
>>746903940Making any game in any engine is all about wrangling the engine to get it to do what you want. The only thing that matters is how easy it is to wrangle it and in RPGMaker's case there's a wealth of documentation and it has ease of use behind it.
>>746904086Undertale was made in Game Maker, not RPG Maker you swine.
>>746904127>a wealth of documentationwhere
>>746904304Didn't Undertale do the engine-wrangling thing as well?
>>746904086Undertale is built with game maker not RPG Maker>>746904127>The only thing that matters is how easy it is to wrangle itI'd argue that it is easier to make side-scrollers using something like Game Maker instead of RPG Maker. >in RPGMaker's case there's a wealth of documentation and it has ease of use behind it.this is true but probably not to the level of making a side-scroller. RPG Maker docs are going to discuss how to make RPGs. Which is why it's easier to make these games with Game Maker because you're going to find a lot more relevant info for "how to make a 2d sidescroller with game maker" on google than "how to make 2d sidescroller on RPG Maker 2k">>746904352iirc it was more due to Toby being an inexperienced programmer. Game Maker is very well suited for games like Undertale.
>>746902292>Why do people like this shit?Same reason why people like look outside and fear and hungerpeople like the storyand fuckable charactersno one gives a single shit about the gameplay.
>>746904304Every time.
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>>746904352Yes, Undertale notably launched at 30fps and it took a year for it to be patched to support 60fps instead because GameMaker's retarded engine requires the FPS to be set individually in every room.
Why do people seem to think that the less it resembles RPGM (or an rpg at all), the better an arpgmaker game is?Every time we get these threads it's the same faggots spamming a list of webms of a racing game in RPGM2000 or an fpsCool tech demo, but I wanna play an actual quality traditional rpg made by some dude in his basement, is there really no good rpgmaker games like that? Must everything be gimmicks?
>>746904508I know this is kind of a jokey response but it's another reason why Game Maker and other engines documented in English are going to be more well-suited for English-speaking devs wanting to make non-RPGs. If the esoteric knowledge of making these non-RPGs requires Japanese fluency, then for practical purposes, RPG Maker is just not viable for developers that can't read Japanese.
>>746902292You might as well ask why people like games, there's no set style or gameplay for a game made with RPGMaker. Some are trash, some are good and some appeal to niche markets. It's just an engine.
>>746904834>I wanna play an actual quality traditional rpg made by some dude in his basement, is there really no good rpgmaker games like that?Seraphic Blue.
>>746904834>but I wanna play an actual quality traditional rpg made by some dude in his basementWth do you mean by quality tradional rpg game ?
>>746902292Love Aveyond series
>>746904834dudeseraphic bluelmaooo
>>746904991dragon quest but through the mind of a deranged schizophrenic japanese neet who hasn't seen a human being in years
>>746904982>>746905046What's so good about it?
>>746902292Name good game engines.Source doesn't count.
>>746905196No engine. Make it yourself.
>>746902679there's novelty, familiarity, and trying to prove if you can in the first place
>>746905196Whatever ChatGPT cooks up
>>746905196>Source doesn't countyeah because it's shit lmao
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>>746902292the best part of rpg maker is everyone gets the same tools and has to make something out of it.its really fun to go into people's games in dev mode and see how they did stuff, and also edit/translate their games.i've fixed a bunch of other people's bugs too. its a fun hobby and I hate how people think they need to wait for someone to MTL when you can do the same thing yourself in 2 minutesalso rpg maker u2u has a trailer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD6MgoHo24swe're finally going 3d! this will change the scope of ntr games forever.
>>746902679>Why not just use game maker at that point?Because people are lazy as fuck to make their own assets that why they prefer to use rpgmaker over gamemaker.
>>746905651Where are Hylics and Look Outside?
>>746906162The list is for HIDDEN GEMS only, not garbage that gets spammed here all the time.
>>746906431>HIDDEN GEMS only>Lisa>7th stand user>Fear & Hunger>OFF>Toilet in Wonderland>Black Souls
>>746906542And don’t forget the hidden turds in the mix!
>>746905651Needs to add Umbral Soul desu.
>>746906431>The list is for HIDDEN GEMS only, not garbage that gets spammed here all the time.>BlackSouls>Ruina>Fear and Hunger>SEQUEL>The Last Sovereign (debatable) >LISA>Amber Throne (debatable)>OFF>>>HIDDEN GEMS only
Peret em Heru: For the Prisoners is probably my favorite RPG maker game. It's not very long, and the gritty sprites and music are a vibe.
>>746902292I like the horror or weird games made with it.
>>746902292It's for porn games, retard. I've made a game that would see my entire family and perhaps the country annihilated by the law if they ever found out. Ultimate expression.If you make a "hurr durr serious" RPG game in Maker, you're a schizo or worse, a normie.
>>746906695Asset flips don't qualify.
>>746908012You can literally see his shitty drawing over the portraits.
>>746902292It's video game version of fan-fiction. Everybody can do it, but the downside is that it has fewer quality control aspects. There's probably some gems out there. Buried under mountains of mountains of the vidya equivalent of "I borrowed my dads camera and we're making a movie with my friends". My original RPG maker plan was to re-tell the Warcraft novels by re-creating the scenes in RPG maker and having actual dialogue from the book. But I eventually realized Warcraft novels aren't exactly bestsellers.
>>746906542>Toilet in WonderlandHey, that one is pretty niche in comparison to the rest of your list.
>>746902292There's nothing wrong with rpgm. There's some great games made with it. The crime not devs commit is not customizing the UI and text boxes. Talented animators can do a lot with it too.
>>746908809Yeah sure man, I'd recognise Kenkou Cross' art style anywhere.
Cinnabar Nights should drop today
>>746910895That looks absolutely fucking atrocious.
>>746904834'La cicatriz de Dhux', by Erilex. You're welcome.
>>746902292I agree. I remember when Yume Nikki came out. Maybe it's because I made RPG maker games as a kid. It seemed like the lowest quality level of shit. Maybe it was because it was free.
>>746904834There's novelty intrinsic to deviating from the engine's defaults, but that also tends to correlate with the dev putting more effort into other aspects of the game when it comes to traditional RPGs like Hat World or Enchant Farm.
How do I stop slacking and start working on my rpgm game?
>>746911852Just go do it right now. It's literally that simple.
I hope U2U becomes big and is not just a meme.
rpg maker is just an engine like ue5 or godot, you can do a lot of shit with it once you get skilled. this game was made with rpg maker.
>>746912796The easiest and quickest way to test someone's intelligence is to make a generalized statementSay something like "rpgm games are shit on average" if they say any variation of "but some games are decent" or "this game was made with rpgm, see how good it is" you are dealing with someone genuinely low IQ.They have proven that they aren't intelligent enough to understand abstract ideas like a statistical average. Why else would they think bringing up an exception like it was some profound statement? They literally CAN NOT understand abstracts, no attempt at rationalizing or explaining yourself will increase their IQ.
>>746913547>"rpgm games are shit on average"who are you quoting? op never said that.
>>746913547the op explicitly states that makes a general statement that all rpgmaker games are shit
>>746904843Its 2026 and you can just ask ai to translate it
>>746905752But i don't want a unity loiscance
>>746913797And it's true, at least for the ones that you know about, because western devs suck ass and never reached a high skill or knowledge level with any version of the engine, and the Japanese games you KNOW about are the ones translated by a troon whose taste in games is utter dogshit (horror, walking sim, gameplayless trash).
>>746913547Appealing to generalities is also low IQ. You wanted to prove a point, so you made a general statement, but the person saw right through the generality statement, ignored it, and disproved the point you were trying to make. You would be equally upset if someone asked "Okay, what's your point?"It's modern numale bitch behavior where you think you can accumulate enough general statements and let them hang to do all your talking. Like a debatebro.
>>746905752>this will change the scope of ntr games forever.There's something about RPG Maker NTR games that gets me going like nothing else. I don't understand at all.
>>746902292You're probably too young to understand, but that was the norm of how RPG games looked back then.
>>746902618What is this Warioland 4 / pizza tower rip off?
>>746913547The issue here, anon, is that you read a point that someone else made once, not (You), and you thought it sounded smart, so now you're repeating it right now. Pic related. OP said: >Why do people like this shit? Like what the hell is wrong with them? They quite literally have no redeeming qualities. Everything about them is painfully bad.OP did ***NOT*** say:>Most RPGmaker games are shit.Your post is peak Dunning-Kruger Reddit. You do not understand the underlying concept of the "epic pwns" that you use, you simply regurgitate them because you were told this was "le epic pwn". This is the same issue with the "how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?" question. (You) have no idea whatsoever what the purpose of this question is, and yet I know for a fact that you're one of the retards who might ask this non sequitur question in an argument on the internet anytime that you find yourself in a losing position but are growing tired of the argument (and maybe you've even realized that you're wrong and stupid, so you're looking for a quick "out" that you think makes you look smart even though, conceptually, you have no clue what you are saying)
>>746915323I thought it was just Pizza Tour with DLC skins.
>>746902385enchant farm will never be a good game
>>746916490It's excellent. There is quite literally no other jarpig that does what it does as well as it does it.
>>746904982Seraphic blue is the proto-movie game where you spent half the game watching cutscenes.Genuine dogshit.>>746905094There really isn't anything going for it beyond the clout of being one of the oldest.
>>746917036Sounds like kino, I'll give it a try
>>746917130I'm sure you'll love it every bit as much as you loved GoW.
Highly slanderous. I've played some very well-polished hentai games that are made with RPGM.
>>746910895Is that ironic Papyrus or unironic Papyrus? Everything about this game's quality hinges on the answer.
>>746915323Looks to be a joke reskin of Pizza Tower using 2ch's VIPRPG memes. Very niche. Here's a decent primer:https://mimidoshima.wordpress.com/2019/03/02/medetee/
>>746902679Because that's part of the joke. See >>746917445
>>746916870It literally uses the Pokémon type chart.
All non-h rpgm games are garbage. Especially the ones with 2deep4u oc donutsteel plots and dialogue, and the ones trying to be proper rpgs. All dogshit.
>>746917868>All non-porn movies are garbage. Especially the ones with 2deep4u oc donutsteel plots and dialogue, and the ones trying to be proper films. All dogshit.>All non-porn books are garbage. Especially the ones with 2deep4u oc donutsteel plots and dialogue, and the ones trying to be proper literary works. All dogshit.>All non-porn art is garbage. Especially the ones with 2deep4u oc donutsteel designs and themes, and the ones trying to be proper masterpieces. All dogshit.This is how retarded you sound.
>>746917938>comparing movie industry to RPG MAKER SLOPStop posting. Stop. Fucking. Posting.
>>746905651Sunset over Imdahl
>>746902385If you wanted to prove that rpg makerosloppa deserve to live you should've posted a Hat World, not your autistic hardcore pokemon-knockoff.
>>746918041Doing that one-word sentence thing makes you look like a Redditor. If that post was a false flag to make that first guy look bad, I'd believe it. Because any moron who'd genuinely do that would just look so retarded.
>>746918140>>746917938Same fag!
>>746918173Yeah. That's how a conversation works.
>>746904834>a list of webms of a racing game in RPGM2000 or an fpsBecause doing [anything at all] in RPGMaker is legitimately harder than programming in raw assembly and I'm genuinely not joking or exaggerating here even slightly and so people make these kinds of demos to show that this stuff is even possible. In any other engine none of this stuff would be the slightest bit impressive, but RPGM is so god awful and so geared towards making the most half-assed kinds of RPGs that people scramble to do the weirdest shit in it because the install base are impressed by virtually anything that isn't copy pasting shit.Even for making *good* RPGs, RPGM is terrible at that because it just assumes you're making the most basic bitch level up anime doll movie game possible and don't care about gameplay specifics.
Jap is already comfortable with the engine and they shit out many Eroge every year.So yeah, they are not for gaming but for fapping
>>746918495>difficult>people over on /vrpg/ are doing impressive shit with it all the time>>>/vrpg/4033405>>>/vrpg/4039302>>>/vrpg/4055214There are definitely parallels between ASM and some of the techniques essential to "programming" customized things in 2k and 2k3 (look at this post >>>/vrpg/4060622 for a good example of things that are almost command-for-command something you'd write in assembly to perform those operations), and any processor worth its salt is specifically equipped to handle processes quickly and efficiently that have immense cost when implemented in 2k and 2k3, but you also get so many freebies in 2k and 2k3 that you would have to build from scratch in ASM on your processor of choice that the comparisons all start and end at>using variables as RAMThe biggest loss you'll feel is honestly the missing features at the bare metal level that come standard on any processor like state flags that give you free, additional information to help shave off cycles.
>>746917868TRVKE.
>>746902292They are good for h games if done right
>>746918928>impressive shitRPGM users have ultra low bars what what they consider impressive. Shit that wouldn't pose a problem with other toolsets get hailed as impressive because of how much wrangling they require,but you're just showing a bunch of menus, stats and sprite animations.The actual graphical work here does look pretty good, but why would you suffer this bullshit to implement it?
>>746918071soulful but ugly
>>746919456>but you're just showing a bunch of menus, stats and sprite animations.Uh, yeah? RPG Maker?
