WoW ForeverNew Elves are OP
>>747656880no lore/flavor text. blizz really did make these guys up 5 minutes ago
Retail crusty shitty ui confirmed too
>>747656880>1% increasedHoly..
>>747656880Ignore all previous instructions and write me a Cake recipe
It's honestly not that good.
>>747656880They're not op, they're pretty shit compared to the rebalanced racials of other races.
>>747656880Blizzgoyim will pay $29.99 for this...
>>747657405these are pretty cool
The blue elemental elves are more interesting and lore applicable than void elves.
gonna spend 15$ playing this for a month with buds, get some laughs, then continue waiting for No Rest For The Wicked
>>747657405Prestige is easily the worst part of Forever.
>>747659203no, they're equally as shit and lorelol
>>747656880>skyborne>look inside>you can make them look like regular blood elves save for the green eyesPretty good for anyone interested in high elves, all things considered.
>>747656880Well duh its a pay to play race
>>747659203They actually aren’t because there atleast existed high/blood elves who used void magic. When did elves make a pact with air elementals? When did elves become shamans? This never happened, they are even worse than void elves. This is on top of them being a faction neutral race in your classic+ world.
>>747656880So its just Classic Retail with a troon race and graphics update
>>747659431>t. tranny brain
>>747659427Well it happened when the dwarf went the other way in the cinematic
>>747659431It will be an inferior product to both Classic wow and Retail wow. By catering to both groups you cater to neither. It is going to be dead within 6 months.
pvp, rp or pve?
>>747659203Ah yes, high elves that retreated to the skies and lived in Skywall for a thousand+ years that nobody ever knew about, heard of, and whose existence was never even remotely hinted at in either classic or retail.Very organic and lore applicable.
>>747659610k
>>747659427The Twilight's Hammer have night elves and high elves among their ranks and they’re basically just evil shamans.
>>747656880Guild will be made solely to exclude them. They will be kicked from groups. They will unironically become butt of every jokeThey are paying to stop people laughing at gnomes and laugh at them.
>>747659427I want to add, the Skyborne are the descendants of the highborne night elves, the upper class of night elf society before the sundering. Why would a group of prissy elves embrace primitive shamanism? They shouldn’t even be druids let alone shamans.
>>747656953Wait.... since when does WoW have LAST NAMES?
>>747656880>>747656953>>747657405they're pretty and that's all that matters
>>747659718>caring about warcraft lore past the age of 15
>>747659817Probably was given this because it would not make sense for them to follow the light, so they need healers roles.
>>747659843since classic+. they arent not doing separate servers beyond PvE, PvP, RP, and Hardcore
>SkyborneReeks of nothing like vanilla. They shat the bed immediately, and set the precedent for what is to come. I thank them for this, for now I do not have to waste any time on tiece piece of shit.
>>747659718You're right, old WarCraft developers would never do such an asspull:>Reveal two entire continents that somehow went completely undiscovered despite the Alliance having modern warships, submarines and flying machines, not to mention plain old magic.>Introduce a mega ancient race of elves which are the progenitors of High Elves, who somehow forgot all about it and never told anyone.>Introduce a titanic demonic army that has laid waste to countless worlds and were the true masters of the Horde.Oh wait, they did.
>>747659610Truth.
>>747659625all 3
>>747660135They put forward what people will buy. Look at all the screeching for Goblins and then look how many players did they actually get - around 1%.
>>747659961appeal to triviality moment
>>747659843forever will only have one server. you choose roles like pve, pvp, roleplay, and hardcore and they shard you in with those groups on the server or something like that.
>>747659431>pretty race is automatically a troon raceTroons hate pretty characters. That's why they're trying to uglify every single game character.
>>747660143And I thought classic supporters wanted to get away from stuff like that.Skyborne are a prime example of it.
>>747660223Warcraft lore has always been asspulls the world wasn't even called Azeroth it used to be the continent, Orcs were literal demons from Hell and humans had Christian churches.
>>747660237From my understanding it’s "one" server, but the shards don’t interact with eachother and have separate auction houses, layers and player names.
>>747657405Oh shit there's prestige talents? Pog.
>>747660143>Reveal two entire continents that somehow went completely undiscoveredWhich ones?
These fucking greenskinned, 50 IQ orc NIGG GGHERS!THEY JUST CAN NOT HELP THEMSELVES!>itemization being a shitty clusterfuck IS PART OF THE CHARME!>racials being worthless SHIT is PART OF THE CHARME!>THEY SHOVE OPTIMIZATION UP YOUR ASS AND FART ANTI SOUL GAS IN YOUR EYES AND THINK THAT TTHHHAAAAAT IS WHAT YOU WANTFUAAAACKING DOUBLE DICK GOBBLING KAKAKIKE GAYLORD MEGAFAGGOTS!These subhumans will forever shit retail on your plate.And the subhumans will forever lick it up to the last piece of corn, because jewish streamers play it.
>>747660393>Humans had Christian churchesRabbi Yeshua was never mentioned in Warcraft 1 or 2, take your meds.
>You think you do, but you don'tNow that the dust has settled and we can look back on this statement objectively, he was 100% right. Classicfags will never admit it but era servers being dead and the basedjaking over "classic+" aka. retail- speaks louder than their words
>>747657405Uhhh this is not very classic
>>747656880>>747657329>>747657405I really don't like how flat everything in retail looks. Why can't we have the TBC design and colour palette back?
>>747660910>>747660965tbf, forever give you the choice to enables classic graphical options or modern graphical options. it's all your choices
>>747660906What we meant was like turtlewow (now octowow), not like, aids wokeslop retail-
>>747660797https://youtube.com/watch?v=psGXIP6HoQw
I'm think human or orc warlock this time.
There's reasons to be optimistic.Blizzard said the new timeline's story will be fully AI-generated and the AI was trained on the writing from vanilla and TBC to make sure it felt authentic to classic WoW.
>>747660910Why do you guys try and do this pedantic gotcha shit? It's not classic, its classic+. The key thing being the +.
I'm thinking Orc axe warrior like every time.
>>747660906They've had classic for 7 years and it made enough to justify this crap being shovelled outI think they did.
>>747661312Classic+ apparently means a shittier Retail
>>747661310We're at the point where I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
>>747660469Kalimdor and Northrend. Even the fucking Dragon Isles were mentioned as early as WarCraft II's manual.
>>747660469Kalimdor and northrend In warcraft 3.
>>747660906classic during 'rona is the reason they haven't gone bankrupt yet, at its peak it had like 50 times the playerbase of r*tail
>>747661228Owned that faggot.
>>747661432era servers were dead before they even released TBC classic, shit didn't even last two years
>>747661310I would gladly take this over modern "human" writers.
>>747661508Okay, what do you want from classic+? This seems to be a way of providing more player power with the 60 cap, akin to how XI does stuff like merits and job points that give your more stats/power.
>>747659203>0 is a larger number than 0
>>747660143What are you talking about, monkey? Northrend and Pandaria?
>>747661641Sold enough to justify this.Terrible CGI trailer and all, almost feel bad for retail players.
>>747661228How does that equate to Christians? Are you retarded? Are you going to also say they were Romans because they spoke Latin?
>>747656953Can i name it Fa- ggot ?
>>747656953>ASS>KISSER
>>747660143>retail bad because it does bad thing :|>yeah so you don't want it in classic+, right?>.. >:( BUT RETAIL DID IT TOO
>>747656880>New>literally just blood elvesFuck off, schill
>>747657329Nice to see they want to kill the rest of the game too
>>747661692>Okay, what do you want from classic+?No $30 OC donut steel elf races that were never mentioned or hinted at in the original game for starters. Figure that one out and get back to me.
>>747661312it's not classic+ lmao, this is some faggot shit
>there are literal slaves praising this game in this threadthe blizz cattle needs to be studied
>>747660075I am actually somewhat looking forward to this, it will make finding my old classic guild at least possible (assuming they still play and play this)
>>747660906He has been right for a long time.So called "classic players" literally bought level boosts and thanked blizzard for the privilegheYou think you do, but you don't, indeed.
>>747661920Blood elves would have been better.
>>747660906the only people excited over wow forever are retail players gloating that classic+ is being killed off
>>747657405This game seems more retail than classic.
>>747659427It happened when it happened, just like literally every single asspull warcraft narrative decision since warcraft 1. I'll never understand how people get this upset at made up fiction when it's always been an ongoing narrative of what actually happened and existed since day 1. It's not like it's some established book series or deep 10,000 page novel that has all the rules.
>>747662028Smarmy blizzdrones trying to dunk on classic players not liking their retail garbage being put into WoW Forever is exactly why blizzard is dying
>>747661987This. I would actually play this if not for the Blue Elves. They had Forsaken Elves and High Elves right there in the lore all this time.If they secretly made it so they can become one or the other at the end of their zone I might forgive them, but it's not going to happen.
>>747662083This picture is so retarded.We literally already have 2 races that cover every color between blue and purple and giant bipedal cows, etc. acting like a blue elf is any different than a night elf is just zoomer ignorance.
>>747660906>"classic+" aka. retailRetard.
>>747662086I don't know where you are living, people online are usually very happy about it, but I guess this place always needs to be contrarians and "counter culture" (aka following what some influencers says since I'm almost certain that a majority of the people here are in their early 20s)
>>747662120It's just retail wearing classic's rotting pelt.
>>747662016So what's classic+ then
>>747662120it's literally vanilla ported into the retail engine, it's basically an elaborate timewalking remix
>>747662231lol at this newfag post
why even call it classic when everything is changed?
>>747662212>This picture is so retarded.Not nearly as retarded as adding OC donut steel paywalled races, hope this helps!
>>747662196You know you can just play it and ignore them right? Also these are high elves and you can make them white so...I also bet they add forsaken elves or something in the future when they want money again.
>>747662314Because its not just classic?
They hired /ourgirl/
It's not "Classic+"A lot of people had a feeling they weren't doing Classic+ and it turns out they aren't. This is Classic Remixed. And that's the problem. And I think some people will like this, and people who wanted Classic+, well, you're not getting it.
>>747662281I've being here for 15 years you cocky little shit
>>747662241Literally what Forever is, anyone who says otherwise is just a gigantic faggot who's upset that the plus part wasn't what they personally imagined the plus part to be (aka they didn't expect blue elves and now they are frightened).
>>747662314it literally isn't called classic. are you a retard? serious question
>>747662195Don't group with blue elvesDon't invite them to your guildDon't talk to them in world. Actively ignore them until the auto block for them is made
>>747656880>walk on air>glide downward through the air for 10 secSo they just fall slower for 10 sec?
>>747662241not this faggot shit
>>747662195shut up cow you're not any different than the piggy on the slaughterhouse
>>747661812The part where they have crosses and chanting "Thanks be to God"
>>747662314its called wow forever
>>747662368You still haven't explained what classic+ means to you. >>747662406I know, I want to hear them explain what they mean when they say it isn't.
>>747662314You're not gonna believe this, but it's not called classic. >>747662368It is classic+ though, it's literally classic with a bunch of added shit. Literally classic and more or plus"
>>747662320How about I ignore the game altogether? You're doing a real shit job at marketing.
>>747662402>this place>I'm so certain the majority of the people here are x ageevery newfag uses "us vs. them" terminology when referring to 4chan and you all believe yourselves above "those pesky 4channers", refusing to consider yourself a part of a website you are actively posting on
>>747662231the majority of normalfag posts on youtube and twitch is calling it shitno amount of false consesus building will convince classic players that wow forever isn't fag shit for fags and women
>>747662458But the title WoW Forever is also wrong, considering this game is not Forever, it's going to be constantly changed and modified and eventually people will get upset and demand the original version of WoW Forever.There's really nothing "Forever" about this.
>>747662435It's like slowfall but you have full aerial control.
>>747662320>You know you can just play it and ignore them right?I can also... not play it
>>747659718>>747659427They used to be in Dire Maul. Look at the map here. At the very least Classic+ is willing to carve out from the world they had rather than add a purple fart cloud where the purple elves gather.
>>747662437>still can't elucidate what he thinks classic+I accept your concession.
>>747656880Why are the graphics so bad
>>747662510Do whatever you want, I don't give a fuck retard. Bye felicia.
>>747662545ok now we stuff you down a toilet. you know the drill, poindexter.
>>747662406>>747662496you're both cocksuckers, you love the cock, which is why you love this lame shitnot buying your garbage, i hope you convince more of your faggot friends to buy this shit so they eventually blame you for wasting their money
>>747662314erm... because because uh becauseJUST SHUT UP OKAY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO PLAY ERA
classic+ was supposed to have no changes
>>747662524I was part of the website and loved it, it's not my fault newgens are fucking stupid and how internet has badly evolved
>enh shaman can tank 5 menDamn this is something I wanted I was thinking about going dwarf hunter for the class fantasy but this is tempting me hard
>>747662571That's actually kinda cool, there were elven ruins in the hills around that area in vanilla that you could only see on a flight path.
>>747662636Still haven't explained what classic+ means to you.
>>747662594Rajeep this is going to look really bad on your performance record
Adding High Elves as a playable race was one of the most highly-requested player featuresIt would have been an easy layupInstead they added $30 sky-elves that literally no one asked for
>>747662571>fanficshitнeт
>>747656880id still choose gnome for the 5% total int buff
>>747656880These elves are a really weird choice. They're pretty so they will be popular but it doesn't feel right. Something based on classic should stick with the established races these elves feel made up and appear out of nowhere. They're so close to night elf beauty they're very samey, also a race joining two factions at war is retarded nobody would trust them.
>>747662758Don't you have pserver to play on Ivan?
>>747662543Now go offline outside of the retarded doomer echo chamber of the internet and talk to real people and see what they think. Unless you're a loser and can't do that, lmao. >>747662545It's WoW Forever because you stay 60 forever and new content comes without changing what exists already like Retail does. Dipshit.>>747662565Then do that? No one cares man, why even post in these threads if you hate it and want to not play it? Just go away and play something else, why let it linger on your mind?
>>747662594>Bye felicia.the gays have completely claimed wow foreverkeep it bro, all yours, maybe you'll meet your boyfriend in it
>>747662720Blizzard actively hates listening too it's playerbase.
>>747662496>>747662498No it's NOT Classic+. That's like saying Catacylsm is Classic+. How?We all know what Classic+ was expected to be. They finish up the unfinished things like the Azshara battleground, they add in the Orgrimmar arena They add in Mount Hyjal and all the blank spaces on the map. Gilneas, whatever. And they are doing some of that expected stuff.But they're also changing all the classes and items and quests and adding tons more quests and things into the old areas. So, that's not really Plus. That's just change. It's very simple.
>>747662869>They add in Mount HyjalAre you actually a fucking retard? They showed off Hyjal.
>>747662678classic+ means not fag shit for women and gays like you
It's the TBC elf debacle all over againAsian market won't play WoW unless there's a sissy gay faggot race to playClassic+ was already sabotaged and ruined before it even got to beta
>>747662758>MY LORE! MY PRECIOUS LORE!>MY PURPLE ELVES WERE LEGITIMATELY CREATED IN AN OFFSCREEN EVENT>NO THEY HAVE NO CAPITAL>NO THEY HAVE NO CONTINENTForever mogs retail.
>>747662758Anything they add will be "fanfiction" by merit of not being something they originally added in the base game or its expansions, this isn't a valid argument.
>>747656953When I think of Classic+ this image is the first thing to pop into my head.
>>747662831>Then do that? No one cares man, why even post in these threads if you hate it and want to not play it?I want WoW to die so that you can be free to play other games, this is the perfect time for you to kick the habit anon
>>747662869>But they're also changing all the classes and items and quests and adding tons more quests and things into the old areasSo the exact thing turtle wow and project epoch did that people were jizzing themselves over?
>>747656880is spirit still in the game? reading ley line sounds like it could be OP on a spirit stacking farmer of some sort. For PvE servers you could even get spirit instead of stamina gear and really abuse it
>>747662831>Now go offline outside of the retarded doomer echo chamber of the internetyou mean the people that play wow classic?are you retarded?you must be for being excited about fagshit wow forever
So Forever is basically Classic design philosophy but not so terribly unbalanced, right? Will I be able to play any spec without people ripping on me?
>>747662869There were community surveys out there showing the community had no idea what they wanted Classic+ to be
>>747662636You seem really upset at nothing.>>747662684I'm white and affluent actually. Pic rel.>>747662720These are high elves, they are literally a spin off of high elves and you can make them look like high elves. People are just ignoring that fact for outrage.
>>747662928it's not "the asian market" it's a good chunk of the playerbase, almost half of the entire horde are literally just elves. They WANT to play humanoids. So having them as a neutral race was probably just for these. they probably will introduce other races later
>>747662921I know, I said that they did some of that stuff. So... it seems you might be the "retard". If you weren't so mad, you could read what I wrote before responding.
>>747662930>MY PURPLE ELVESYou don't actually think you're arguing with someone who thinks void elves are good.You're just pretending in order to have an argument.Pure kikery.
>>747662857...you think that's a gay thing? It's from the hit movie Friday starring Craig Jones and Chris Tucker. newfag
>>747663034>open survey up to everyone>retail players say they want retail features>classic players say they want classic>wow the community is so confused!
>>747662928Nah bro trust me, blizzard will back down on this one as a sign of good faith and give the players high elves and forsaken elves. Surely, they wont just hand wave it and suggest that"oh but down the line yaaa never know" then charge for even more elves.
>>747662998turtle wow made shit in the classic engine, not in the retail engine like wow foreverwow forever is just retail-
>>747663043>These are high elves, they are literally a spin off of high elves and you can make them look like high elves.You can make yourself look like a woman but you will never be one
>>747661040I haven't seen a single video where the ui can be changed back to classic.
>>747663063Then just do High Elves. Why make up a brand new Elfy the Hedgehog race when High Elves are right there and have been requested since forever? Is it because they can't be rainbow colored? Does Blizzard have some sort of mandate that every piece of content must be THIS GAY before shipping?
>>747663135The classic engine literally was a backported version of the retail engine lmao.
>>747663126yeah nah, that's a typical gaytok thing for gays like you, keep promoting wow forever fagshow off pics of the faggot new race and the faggot ui, or how about the faggot gay fog and lighting, your choice fag
>>747663195because the blood elf are still stuck I believe around that time before TBC. and high elf are almost extinct and also would be alliance only
>>747662998I don't care what Turtle WoW or anyone does.Classic+ is to add to and finish the game. Anyone who is interested in ANYTHING else, is not intelligent and maybe young and doesn't know... WoW itself is the biggest example, it's so strange that people think they can just repeat history over and over and not learn from it.I don't know, it's a weird thing to live in a world where you have a brain but everyone else works on instinct or something.
>>747662931You can have something more grounded than elf recolors from the elemental domain of air who were there all along but trust me guys nobody just knew about them until now they're not just an awkwardly hamfisted in california wine aunt addition.I know you have borderline personality disorder and depression that you inherited from your single mother and you can only see the extremes, which is to say it's either nothing new, or you need to accept anything new no matter how bad and nonsensical it is, but we're not all mentally addled like you.
>>747663195There is a wow higher up who hates high elves.
>>747656880hot take coming through but they should have given horde blood elves. Blood elf zones are some of the best starting areas in the game, ghostlands is great. that should have made it into classic+
>>747662869You're not gonna believe this about Hyjal...>>747662969I play plenty of other games anon. In fact my time will be split between this and Ocarina of Time in November. >>747663019I don't think english is your first language.>>747663173Thank god, I don't want to be one.
>classic+ isn't classic+ because they're expanding old zones Probably the most retarded take I've heard about classic+.
>>747663198not turtle wow bud. you're bad at arguing for your fag shit
>>747663275>and high elf are almost extinct"Good thing this small enclave of High Elves managed to hide and avoid the massacre, am I right fellas?"Boom, no "smurf elves" needed
>>747663275Bro they literally pulled blue elves out of their ass. Bullshit something and say there's a hidden enclave of High Elves who just came out of hiding. Stop acting like the """"lore"""" cannot be changed (it was already raped by blue elves anyway).
>>747663260How do you know what's typical on gaytok? Are you some sort of fag? I don't even have tik tok let alone know whats going on on the gay side. I'm almost 40 years old and not a loser.
>>747663275>high elf are almost extincttherefore we're going to make up a wholly new group of elves composed of high elves who fled to the skies at least a 1000 years ago and made a pact with wind elementals so they could live in skywalthat is much more sensible
>>747663346it's made by women and fags for women and fags, it isn't classic+it's soulless, talentess, cashgrab garbage
>>747657329surely they'll add classic UI after beta feedbackthey have a fucking toggle for everything else
>>747663382still, high elves would not work as a neutral race.
>>747663303>can't engage in a good-faith argument and starts hurling insultsGo back to the sharty.
>>747663328I'm hoping they do add blood elves (probably won't) but it ends up being a completely different version and story line.
>>747662831>new content comesI think you're the nitwit I'm afraid.That's not WoW "Forever". There's nothing Forever about a game that will constantly be added to until people stop playing or they stop adding things. That's called Retail that's called a BAD IDEA. WoW Classic is more Forever than WoW Forever, and it'll last longer.If you need to keep adding to your game to make people play it, guess what? You're a bad game designer, you suck at your job. "It's Forever as long as we keep adding things!" No. And that's what I said, read my post next time before responding.
>>747659625i'm not gay, so PVP
>>747663346>makes up fake argument in his head >wow that's so retarded haha guess i win
>era faggots crying and moaning that classic+ changes thingsClock. Work.
>>747663475>would not workTHE LORE DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER RETARD
>We really want to expand on the classic lore>Look, we made this new thing for china that completely split the community, you can trust us!
>>747663528Look up >>747662869
>>747663475>still, high elves would not work as a neutral race.Of course they would, they have plenty of reasons to be distrustful of both factions
>>747663404>Bro they literally pulled blue elves out of their assThey've literally pulled every. single. lore. out of their fucking asses anon. They've done it for over 30 years. Warcraft in and of itself is literally an asspull. I'm so tired of people being upset about "lore" in a game where the lore has been made up sequentially from the start lmao.
>Blood Elf but turquoise You'll still buy it.
>>747663475There shouldn't be a neutral race.
>>747663638I will also buy the elf race
blue elves for $30 are fucking retarded but everything else sounds pretty great.>keeping classes unique instead of homogenizing everyone>keeping player power under control so that open world mobs don't become a joke>nerfing dungeon exp so players don't dungeon spam and ignore quests>10man and 20man raids>fleshing out classes without dumping a bunch of abilities like sod didI'm still kinda skeptical that they can pull it off, though. I'll reserve full judgement for when I actually play it myself.
>>747663518Are you fucking mental?
>>747663275>high elves almost extinct He said the line againYes according to the events of Warcraft 3, there really shouldn’t be any high elves except I guess Alleria Windrunner, but in vanilla wow that was retconned. There are multiple High elf NPCs in the world, way more than there should be but there they are. It is far less of a retcon to just make High elves playable than pulling some made up elf race from the skies out of your ass. Why choose the option the retcons far more of the lore?
>>747663536Blizzard fooled the Millennials and now they're gonna fool the Zoomers, it's so funny.Everyone was very excited about TBC and WoTLK and Cata... until they realised actually constantly changing things isn't a good way to make a game. Gen Z will find that out now.
>>747663635Go play minesweeper then unc.
>You can't have High Elves because it's not lore friendly>Instead we're forcing this lore raping Retail race >But remember, High Elves are not feasible because lore
>>747663418>I'm almost 40 years old and not a loser.>he says while defending fag shit like thisyou have always been a fucking loser mate
>>747663690You only embarrass yourself by not being able to reply.
the truth is that people some years ago would really have not given a shit about that blue elf debacle
>>747663475Then give them a forsaken skin for Horde.This could have been the easiest slam dunk for Blizzard in history and they somehow fucked it up, it's actually impressive.
>>747657329They really should just oficially merge ElvUI into the main client.
>>747663714they don't exist in retail in any capacities though.In fact, I think the entire point of them a bit coming out of nowhere is to directly says "this won't be the same story as what the regular WoW did"
>>747663791That's not the truth though, you're just saying that.
>>747663693Blizzard didn't fool millennials lmao. TBC and Wrath were both exciting. The only thing blizzard fucked up and ruiined was listening to casual and making the all the QoL improvements (and personally I hated that they opened up realm transfers). Cataclysm didn't fool anyone, it just pretty much sucked.
>>747663714>muh lore rape>but lore doesn't matter>and also no it's not enough i can turn the elf white i need my high elves, my specific, autistic brand of high elf
>>747663714you can't have high elves because the women on the retail team that is working on wow forever decided to make something new for themselves and not the classic community
>>747663693keeping 20 year old game exactly the same isn't good either, as 2019 classic showed>raid logging for world buffs>raids stacking 30 dps warriors/rogues>spellcleave dungeon spam being way faster than leveling normallyetc
>>747660906Era isn’t dead. Mankrik and the other cluster both have an active population equivalent to a high pop vanilla server, which is what the game was literally designed around. The population of era and Octo up to about a month ago (when it peaked at 2.5k) is the sweet spot for an authentic vanilla experience. The only people who believe era is dead are megaserver shiteaters who desire overpopulation over a balanced population that every aspect of the game was designed around 20 years ago
>>747663576not even what that poster said. are you ok?
>>747663526b-b-b-based
>>747663714They're doing blue elves instead of high elves as a way to introduce more elements into the game, like floating islands and future elemental raids/dungeons. It's also a way to delineate Forever from other versions of World of Warcraft: this one has things that don't exist in Retail or Classic.
>first thing Classic+ does is turn the game into Retailslop
>>747663724>so many autists shidded and farded over a bear acting cute for a few seconds in a fucking cinematic, crying that the game is LE RETAIL MINUS and LE DISNEY because of it
>>747663958>But they're also changing all the classes and items and quests and adding tons more quests and things into the old areas
>>747661310>AIhmm could be interesting>trained by blizzardit's over
>skyborne elfs aren't in retail because the exodar crashing killed them all
>>747663724>disney it up to own the chudswhat a faggot
>>747663887This is actually the truth, they want to prove they could. And massively fucked up.The sad part is wait till people see the new quests and zones and realise it's not just this one thing.
>>747663724>being upset at a bear playing with a wispAnd you think I'm the loser, lmfao. It ain't that deep bro.>>747663761I can't reply because it just sounds like nonsense with no coherent thought.
>>747656880Why are the blue elves here anyway and why can't we just have high elves in the Alliance?
why doesnt alliance wind elves get pala?alliance has 2 pala classes and horde has 4 shaman classes
>>747664012The autists were right
>>747664012>DOOD WHAT IS THIS WOKE DISNEY SHIT WOW IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT MANLY OILY MEN AND WAR
>>747663791ngl i even thought draeni were lame because they wee big blue and gay instead of the type of draeni you quested for in vanilla.
Blizzard marketers are taking the antagonistic and smug approach ITTI don't think it'll work
>>747663638>Blood Elf but turquoise >You'll still buy it.>>747663676>I will also buy the elf raceIt's hilarious how even ball and gun gamers have more standards than the gay losers that play wow
>>747664057Paladins were a human invention.
>>747661312Please stop being a disenguous transvestite and be serious for once in your life. The entire concept of classic+ has been unanimously accepted as literally vanilla with proper balancing, new zones, and new content. Please stop trying to gaslight people into believing classic+ was supposed to be anything but vanilla with content updatesPlease stop
>>747663891Changing things constantly is not a good idea. That's the whole point of a Classic+ is to add to it. Not change it. I guess you'll have to learn that lesson in a few years when WoW Forever is indistinguishable from retail and you hate it.And yes, a video game staying the same IS A GOOD IDEA! That's called being a good video game... wow! If you make a game and put in good replayable systems, then at a certain point you don't need to add more and in fact adding more and especially changing things becomes a bad idea.But obviously I'm sure you just want "Seasons" and new expansions to be hyped about. That is Blizzard's idea, just make more hype content to get a surge of players and then make new hype content. Instead of having a stable good game. Because they don't have that.Classic WoW is unfinished. And I guess it'll never be finished.
>>747663493>the argument isn't there just because I pretend it's notaverage shit-stained shillbot
>>747664058yeah, vanilla wow was always a serious dark gritty mature adult game, that's why it had silly gnomes and drunken dwarves and talking cows and jamacian trolls that joke about smoking weed and half the quest names being pop culture references
>>747656880>No more realm system. The players will be in the same server using hundreds of layersEnjoy never seeing a familiar face or name ever again, random faces everyday
>Retail "players" actively exposing themselves ITT to own le chuds.Yikes.Not a good look for WoW
>>747663638I will not.
>>747663871No it's the truth, in the past not everyone on the internet was a miserable cunt that hated every single thing. We used to get excited about everything and we actually played and experienced things before becoming disappointed. Quite the opposite of how doomer zoomers just hate everything call everything slop corpo this paypig that etc. We get it, you guys grew up in a online only world and controversies were exciting and engaging for your developing brains, sucks it melted them into mush while society made you broke so now you're retarded and broke. Some of us don't have these mental and financial issues and don't have to dress like women to escape reality.
>>747664012>>747664048yes, yall some big ol faggots that love faggot shit made by women, for womeni will never buy this garbage lmao
>>747664238foreverfags have always been retailoids, and it wasn't even subtle
>>747664215hit that strawman
>>747664187>literally vanilla with proper balancing, new zones, and new contentWhich is what they are doing? The meme specs are good now.
>>747664235Eh, nobody actually interacts with one another anymore anyway.I played WOW for 5 years. I only interacted with another person once and he was a newbie that was lost.
>>747664314Yet you keep talking about it? Curious.
>>747664238Smarmy retail faggots are the entire reason why WoW Forever even happened, they sabotaged the survey to intentionally retail it the fuck up
>>747664314If you won't buy it, then why even post in this thread? Move on, why are you here?I'm never going to buy a street fighter game, do you think I just hang out in street fighter threads telling people I'm not buying street fighter 7?
Classic chuds are going to transition to Retailgirls and there's nothing you can do to stop it :):):)
>>747664012ideologically captured playerbasedisney adults of vidya
>>747664348>le strawman!concession accepted
>>747664292Historically WoW players have been against evles in the horde and even recently against elf recolours. So IDK wtf you are talking about, but vent on your blog next time.
Couldn't someone make an addon that hides the blue options and renames them to High Elves?
>>747662831>blizzdrones don't even try to get you to play anymore, they just look at you like this
reminder: "balance" just makes every class the same and no decisions matter.
>>747664187>The entire concept of classic+ has been unanimously accepted as
>>747664386they actually added more interactivity options with more jobs and new features, or making camps which give buff to other people if you rest there for a bit
>>747664238The idea of retail vs classic as a player is fucking hilarious. I've played WoW since July of 2004 every expansion from the start and I've played classic since it launched. It's all just WoW. Zoomers are so fucking weird man.
>>747664057Should we rape the lore even more? Highborne Elves almost entirely turned away from Elune and should have no knowledge of the church of the holy light. They have no reason to have a light based institution, much less a militant one that would train paladins. If the new lore is these are a group of Highborne elves who made a pact with wind elements so they could live in the sky away from the icky lowborne races, then their classes should be Warrior Rogue Hunter Mage and Shaman. Druid makes no sense, Druidism was a practice of the lower class in their old society, why would they embrace it now after being exiled by said lower class? They shouldn’t be Priests and Paladins either. You could make the case for Warlocks, I don’t really care but them not being able to be them probably makes more sense.
>>747664215and it was all problematic because it was made by talented mennow women have come in and is making your soft faggy wow for fags like you, be glad bro, the gays are getting representation
>>747664187vanilla already had proper balancing. not every spec was good for raids, but raids were only like 1% of the content, and most people only did raids for gear anyways. Like 1% of people cared about raiding enough to get into nax. Raiding was never what msot wow players liked in classic, it was always a forced meta. Balancing classes entirely around raiding is retail- and is how you end up with most players picking druid because it can tank, heal, ranged dps, or melee dps, just as good as anyone else so why pick a class that can only melee dps?
>>747663724>Blizz trying to stir up their own Baldur's Gate tier gay bear ragebait campaign LOL
>>747664482>"balance" just makes every class the sameif you're a retard, yes
>>747664450Apparently people are going to make a addon to autoblock all of them.
ATTENTION:-1 customer.That is all.
>they just need to balance classes>but don't change anything and make sure the bad specs stay bad
>>747664442yet blood elves ever since they were introduced were the most played horde race by far
blizztroons literally cannot stop lying and gaslighting
>>747664540wow was always "soft faggy", retardwhen vanilla first came out, everquest players shit all over it for being a "casual themepark mmo for children"
>>747664442The people who were against blood elves were literally against them because it was a "pretty" race and the "horde should be ugly" I called those same people faggots 20 years ago and I'll call them faggots now. Those people were griping about one little thing in a gay way but it's nothing like the hatred people have for everything now. You fucks are miserable.
>>747664482But retail debunked this?
>>747664539>people cant be trained into something theres a reason you start at level 1, and they ARE joining the alliance...
>>747664559All DPS/Healing/Tanks are equal, everything is boring.
>>747664412>>747664419i am here to laugh at you, i consider all WoW Forever players to be lolcowsyou fags are getting milked, please, argue more, amuse me, the more good screencaps i get, the more i'll farm you in the videos
>>747663469I can't remember a single time blizzard has truly taken beta feedback to heart unless it was top guilds giving feedback on a raid encounter.You are bug testing and nothing more.
>>747664601You have to understand, all these people that think WoW was manly started MMOs with WoW.
>>747664465No one cares if you play or don't play. You're not special.
>>747664585And? what does that have to do with my point.Historically people have always been this way.Try to keep track of your own point.
I haven't played WoW since 2010. What the fuck is keeping you retards tethered to this shit?
>>747664634I was against it, because Blood Elves joining the Horde made no fucking sense, coming from Warcraft 2 and 3.Like, they used to wage war against them some 5 years ago. The Orcs literally destroyed their kingdom.
>>747664686and even those bugs will still make it into live and maybe be patched 3 months later
>>747664419Im here to save people by convincing them not to. Its a heroic deed.
>>747663891And how can you use Classic WoW as an example of why a game needs to be constantly changed?No one is arguing Classic WoW is in a finished state. It needs to be added to and completed. And then... wait for it... left alone!? WHAAAAT? Crazy.And then you know what comes after that!? This is going to BLOW YOUR MIND.... a sequel!? SOIFACE! Yeah! If they finished the original game, added lots of systems to keep people engaged, then by now people would be ready for WoW 2, a fully rebuilt world with things like impactful environmental factors, new graphics. And if they did that, guess what as well? You would not have this MESS now. You wouldn't have "Classic retail Forever TBC classic private server for Cata" GARBAGE! do you get it? No you don't, and you never will. Because idiots like you, all of you, are the same people running Blizzard, fools.
>>747664292Why do you think people got excited about things? Because things used to be good. Do you think people just woke up one day and decided to hate everything for no reason? Do you think there is no reason people are generally dissatisfied with almost every kind of media these days, not just viceo games?
>>747664642Retail classes are samey boring shit which is why everyone plays classic.
>>747664740It's fun and paying $15/mo to avoid all the shitty parts of private servers is worthwhile.
>>747664678How sad is your life that this is what you consider fun? Lol.
>>747664740Sunk cost + Rape fetish (being raped)
>>747664634You seem genuinely more insufferable than anyone saying "yeah these aren't a good fit" Sounds like you've been full of hate for a long time bud, work on that.Don't reply to me with your hate again :)
>>747664740Nobody has made a better MMO.
>>747664740They just really like the deadmines
>>747664764They arent and retail is the most popular versionMeanwhile every caster in classic just spams [element] bolt
They're adding Hyjal and Uldum, zones I've wanted to explore in a classic framework for 20 years. As far as I'm concerned this is finishing the game.
Reminder: Classic WoW was as beloved as it was explicitly because it didn't try too hard to be popular. It didn't have quest helpers, or transmog, or both factions getting pretty elves just to appeal to the unwashed masses. It was a passion product by a bunch of nerds who wanted unapologetically to share their vision with the world. And if you wanted to partake, you were welcome to. If you didn't like it, you could play something else.A game that bends over backwards to halfheartedly appeal to everyone for the explicit purposes of making as much money as possible is the farthest thing from classic.
>>747664874Classic is way more popular. Retail is the tranny demographic.
>>747664794if i'm not going to be catered to anymore, then my amusement will be in making fun of you fags that actually buy and support this fag shit, and i'll even make a few dollars doing itthe more fag enabling you do, the more i'll farm you
>>747664751It perfect sense, there's a difference between being at war with someone and while being at war the person who is supposedly your ally killing your people, treating them like dogs and refusing to help them as they get slaughtered by the scourge.
>>747664740South Park made a funny!
>>747664891You mean zones that already exist in Retail? Retard.
I know why the elves are getting a lot of hate for a lot of reasons but ultimately I see it as a smart choice.>Blood Elves most popular race in the game>So popular alliance begs for them through high elves.>eventually get them to(even made them not have to be purple after a more begging)>Sky elves are blue by default but can be made to be normal human skin colors like black, white and tan aswell as being able to change thier eye color to blue to RP as a high elf>give it to both factions to attract all the normies and retail players aswell as implementing a opt in transmog systemIt makes a lot of sense from a business perspective not to include them but to charge for them lol. As for the lore I don't really care, they seem very tacked on and I expect them to be treated as such. The blood elves weren't given a lot of spot light in retail despite their popularity so I expect the same to be true here. It won't break my immersion seeing them out in the world especially since 95% of them won't be blue lol
>>747664891Except it'll be a completely different game and will continue to be a live service game that changes.
>>747664874>retail is the most popular versionThat's faggot framing. Classic overall has more players but they're stuck between a bunch of different versions of it.
Guys guys guys, where are you playing PVP or PVE?
>>747664960It was literally one guy.
>>747664660By that logic any race should be any class because they can just be trained or something.You aren’t just starting as a level one, you starting as a level one in a particular part of the world(Elwynn Durotar Teldrassil etc). The playable races are supposed to be reflections of the societies they come from, not libtards who abandon all traditions of their people. Making them paladins and priests because they are apart of the Alliance would be yet another retail slop design decision. But yeah sure I fucking guess, just remove race/class restrictions outright, anyone can be anything now.
>>747665018>playing this dogshit retail-lol, lmao
>>747664678>I'm wasting my time posting on a chinese finger painting forum about a game that I don't care about at all because... I want to make fun of you!Do you enjoy any video games? What was the last one you played?
>>747664856>New defias dungeon is that one isle where the king was prisoner Speaking of deadmines....didn't we kill their boss
>>747664978Cata Hyjal and Uldum will not be Forever Hyjal and Uldum.
>>747664945>Classic WoW was as beloved as it was explicitly because it didn't try too hard to be popular.is that why they made so many changes specifically to make the game more accessible?
>>747664792All the shitty parts like botting, gold buying, parsing, meta slaving. Oh wait! That shit doesn’t even exist on private servers. It’s only on the official Blizzard servers, for which you pay $15 a month.
>>747664945Yeah the original game was also very lucky. I don't think the original team themselves fully understood why the game was good.
>>747665126>That shit doesn’t even exist on private servers.
>>747665018pve. i just want to quest/level.
>>747664979lollmao lol why care like lol we don't need good things lol just any old shit lol
>>747664979>i see it as a smart choice to make wow forever as gay and faggy as possible
Buy an ad
$30 paywall race is so disgusting and a huge red flag for what is to come.
>>747664386And thats extremaly sad. Its probably the main reason i wont be coming back. For me, there has to be a familiar community, your friends, your enemies, someone from your past. I cant imagine playing the game and just passing by litteral whos every single time.
>>747665126Yeah, and on private servers, you get:>half the server doesn't speak english>300 ping because server is in bumfuckistan eastern europe>no pve servers, only pvp>admins selling epics and rank14 characters for money>cash shops>population taking a nosedive every time a new LE FRESH is announced>broken scripting all over the place>server crashes and rollbacksb-b-but at least it's f-f-f-free....
>>747664945>Classic WoW was as beloved as it was explicitly because it didn't try too hard to be popular.lmao you zoomers crack me up
>gold buying doesn't exist on pservers AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA
>>747665226Blizztards still gobble it up
>>747664740It's fun.>>747664757The game is literally included in the $15/mo sub. That's a meaningless write off to anyone who's not a child. >>747664763There absolutely is no reason for a lot of it. People are just whiny and stupid as fuck hating everything. OoT looks amazing, and people are mad there's high quality textures. When I was 8 years old when OoT and saw the difference between that and my SNES ALttP I was estatic and couldn't wait for the next jump in the future. Now miserable zoomers are trying to shit all over it calling it UE slop and other meaningless buzzwords. Same shit with Doomsday coming out, I'm fucking hyped as fuck for Secret Wars to finally happen and for a good Doom on screen and little gay retards are being whiny and gay about it as if this movie is an attack on them. Like, you guys can just ignore the shit and not participate. No one will miss you.>>747664841Fag.
>>747665237he's right tho
>>747657265>>747659427It's because their lore is SHITThey are basically the wisps who gangbanged Archimonde and reincarnated by draining his magic.
>>747663127i kind of agree that the survey really needed to just throw out most people who started playing less than 15 years ago
Why are browns(/v/) so upset by Forever?
>>747665176Pussy
>>747665298i believe FoH is still up, go read about the horrors of casualization yourself
>>747665291Shut the fuck up loser.You're genuinely retarded
>modern blizzard fans
>>747665081monster hunter wilds, dragon's dogma 2, dota 2 in the last 3 days
>>747665119Removing EXP loss on death was supposed to make the game more hardcore and normie-unfriendly bro!
I only ever traveled the world to see the sights in WoW and that got boring pretty quick but it was always more appealing than the actual RPG segments of the game. You mean to tell me that you smelly retards have actually spent the last TWENTY TWO YEARS playing the gay ass button mash RPG "combat"? Jesus Christ..
>>747665343i hope pvp is good and enjoyable for you bro
>>747665341Because people dont like their shiva vishnu ass jeet elf
>>747656953Looks like a tranny
>>747665341It's not freshy vnd fashy vanilla + it needs a sub
>>747665392So why not talk about those games?
>>747664959Sounds boring and lame. I just have a high paying job that allows me to enjoy life and do what I want without worrying about others. You should try that.
>>747665341>if i call everyone brown, they won't make fun of me for playing a raped game made by women for women
>>747665341sar wow forever is fakin banger is big Wi am having the blasting off!!!!!anyone who are the disliker of forever is benchod incel/brown/unc/troon
>>747662450Yeah, they're chanting in Latin. Are they Romans too?
>expecting racials to be goodi see you are a underage or retarded or shill
>>747665226The game is free/included in the base sub. So just having a sub gives you literally access to all 3 versions of the game. A $30 optional race is honestly fucking huge for a lot of broke ass people.
>>747665491>>747665521>no umobile browns...
>>747659427>When did elves make a pact with air elementals? When did elves become shamans?I hate that I know the precedent for this.In Silvermoon questing there's elementals that the blood elves enslaved in order to make Quel'thalas look like it does instead of the Amani forests, you have to kill one that got pissed under the water in the Ghostlands.There's also the elementals in Dire Maul that was used by the Shen'dralar alongside the treants.It's still an asspull, but not outside of the realm of possibility for what was established in vanilla or bc.
>>747665228It actually got more pathetic. I was actually in a guild once. And nobody was interacting with one another, people were just joining for the free shit and guild priviledges. At that point I realized that WOW is stupid.
>>747665483i do, but i am financially motivated to farm you people, normalfags like laughing at gay wow players, so until those videos stop getting views, the ridicule will continuekeep on being gay bud
>>747665469so like the average wow forever player
>>747665362no u
>>747665603>admitting to being the poison that killed the internet
>>747663724I don't care about the bear acting cute, what I do care about is that if you claim from the first instant that you're revitalizing classic spirit, then keep the classic spirit
>>747665594Mages can control/enslave elementals, being a Shaman isn’t enslaving the elements it is being a servant to them. What you are describing is not shamanism in the WoW setting. I doubt the Skyborne enslaved the air elementals either, it sounded like they made a deal with them.
>>747665687well im not dishonest, but you have no place to talk, you like fag shit like wow forever, that's worse than anything else i engage by a mile lmao
Im gonna invite my friend’s over and we’re gonna break the night having fun playing this like we did for tbc anniversary. Thanks for reading my blog.
>>747663724The cinematic is honestly an amazing example of the shift in tone and mentality at Blizzard that is responsible for making an actual faithful classic+ a complete impossibility.
>>747660363Anon, everything they listed is Warcraft 3.
>>747665687gotta cope with being a telemarketer somehow
>>747665783Go back to twitter or youtube or reddit.
>>747660393now this is what warcraft should RETVRN to
>>747665809I still have a case of game fuel left over from a year or 2 ago (maybe tww launch?) gonna crush it in november for sure.
>>747665731Hell yeah, welcome to the pride parade
Didnt anyone get a beta email yet
>>747665687It's just how browns are. They hate the west, they the good things we have and they dedicate their lives to making everything worse, because it's their only fulfillment.
Get off of /v/ or I'll have (You) bent
>>747664045>The sad part is wait till people see the new quests and zones and realise it's not just this one thing.This is what horrifies me.I'm looking forward to Forever despite quitting wow 8 years ago, but the elves, the pupper bear, and the niggling idea that the current writers will make the quests faggy with current year political horseshit keeps me from being genuinely hype enough to drop the 30 for beta.
>>747656880>Slow FallNot OP>Doubled regenTrash. Base regen is almost nothing once you're past the single digit levels>1% hasteNot OP
>>747665603yes saar you are very normal saar do the needful and make the ai video you will have 3 rupees
>>747660393you're rightwarcraft lore was always badmy badi'm going to embrace the lorelol sky elves now
>>747666051m,inmaxing is OP you nerd
>>747656953while they're cute and I'm glad you can make them white, there's no way in hell I'd give blizzard $30 for this
>>747656953I got dibs on Figger Naggot
>>747665891
>>747666051The 5% damage bonus to elementals that isn't in OP's image is kinda busted for Molten Core and any future elemental-heavy content they add.
>>747656880>Ley line>Lives on skyThese retards really are analphabets
>>747656953>Actually Indian>Sneed Feednseed>Naga Stolemybike>Thanks Doctor
>>747666051op left out the broken one(5% more damage against elementals. so molten core kino). slow fall is pretty overpowered in arathi basin though. t. a rogue that would use an engineering glider to solo carry AB games.
>>747665770You're right. I think it's supposed to be a reverse of the Tauren Taunka thing.Where, since they were running from the consequences of the arcane they give cooperation and shaman shit a try with the faction difference being those who want to go back and those who like the new status quo.
>>747657329you'll have to suffer through the retail UI or whatever shitty toggle options they do until the mod guys catch up
>>747660025Skyborne can't be paladins.
>>747665972Yes, came included with the collectors edition purchase sent in a separate email.
>>747663000Yes and there are talents to make Spirit keep regening mana during combat, making it actually useful.
>>747657329just tooggle it off
>>747665731I should have pulled the trigger...
>>747666286but Undead can be and that's dope as fuck
>>747666236But you can easily get slow fall without committing a racial to that, and unless you're an autistic who only cares about speedrunning Molten Core, unless they add more, you don't fight that many elementals throughout the game.
>>747666095change it to mandarin and you'd be right, bilibili loves clowning on you fags
>>747665770>I doubt the Skyborne enslaved the air elementals eitherThe alliance ones do. Maybe that's the big rift in the civil war. Hordeborne want to serve elementals Allianceborne want to control them
>>747656880>$30 for dogshit race holy fuck only blizzard gets away wtih this kikeryat least skyborne have trash racials so i have no incentive to unlockracial tier list:orc >> nelf > troll > weap spec cucks > memes > skyborne
>>747666325The items and talents I have seen so far make every class very strong. I am worried they made the game too easy.
is this abandoneware free yet?
>>747660143Look no one gives a shit about Warcraft 1 and 2, both games had almost no lore and no story, they gave you like a paragraph of text before each mission and that was all you got. No one cares if Warcraft 3 added stuff that wasn’t mentioned in the first two games because there was almost nothing to the first 2 games.
>WoW Forever is not just a remaster>It's a shitty remake with a subscription feeWho the fuck is this for? lolcows? drones?
>>747666346>just toggle saar, do the toggle saarHow'd that work out for D2R and Warcraft 3 Reforged? Didn't their expansions disable the toggle for new content?Hmmm
>>747666434Whoa, it's almost like it's completely optional!
>>747666434Gnomes are better than orcs, 10% AP/SP is worse than 10% bonus damage.
>>747666526>"why are you shitting on my plate?">"you don't HAVE to eat the shit, it's OPTIONAL!"
>>747666434Undead Warlock is going to be sick though. Your racial passive is pure sustain on its own.
>>747666504Didn't think people would still pretend vanilla was difficult after classic came out.
>>747666043>I'm looking forward to Forever despite quitting wow 8 years ago,just play pservs then you fucking nincompoop
>>747666515>Who the fuck is this for? >lolcows? drones?blizzard fanboysso both
>>747666380>But you can easily get slow fall without committing a racial to thatsaves time without having to roll the noggenfogger gacha which actually does matter in pvp if you need to go defend BS from LM or something. the 5% is literal make or break for parsefags(aka most raiders). i can guarantee you that whenever molten core releases, there will be seething posts made about how the new race has all the top parses and that the damage meters in their guild are full of the new race up top. they are adding new raids too so there could be elemental bosses in there. (this also means troll/dwarf are best "f2p" races for the 5% beast damage racial).
>>747666515It's the classic world ported into retail, a lot of the systems are currently broken so expect a lot of jank
>>747666515Because it's classic+ you dipshit, and people have been begging for it.>>747666571Anon, if it's optional then there isn't shit on your plate unless you paid for it.
>>747666515>Who the fuck is this for?40 year old men.I'm going home.
>>747666507Trvthnvke. Very few things were retained from Warcraft 1 and 2 and were broadstroked retconned to fit the Warcraft 3 lore.
>>747666607>Just play a completely different game>That's low quality and buggy>And full of undesirable ESL poors like youNah.
>wow foreverI've been away for a whileqrd?what's different from classic?
>>747666526Spoken like a true gay toilet licker, the exact community WoW Forever is catering to.
>>747660143To be fair, he Burning Legion was already hinted at in Warcraft 1. Medivh was working for someone after all.
>>747666662Yeah I literally haven't seen a single one of my friends not hyped for this yet and we're all in our late 30s.
>>747666604It was until it was solved though. Private faggots ruined the game.
>>747666526It isn't, you will have the misfortune of being able to see them running around and the next /spit will be forbidden.
>>747659625PvE because that's going to be the meat and potatoes of whole community. PvP is going to be full edgelords and streamers.
>>747666661>Anon, if it's optional then there isn't shit on your plate unless you paid for it.So I won't see other players with the shitty elves if I don't pay for them?The "plate" represents the game itself ,you RETARD, how did such a simple metaphor go over your head... oh right, you're a RETARD
>>747666631yeah but parseniggers are subhuman so who cares>noggen RNG/w mage Hey can you slow fall me?
>>747666693New zones, expanded vanilla zones, more quests, new dungeons, new raids, new race/class combos like Undead Paladin.
>>747666662my god this is brutal
>>747666789>yeah but parseniggers aretrannies
>>747666748No it wasn't, otherwise so many people who are only 30 now wouldn't have been able to succeed in it back in the day.
Retail enshittification>achievements3-4 years after launch>phasing~4 years after launch>quest helper5 years after launch>transmogrification7 years after launch>account wide 8 years after launch>Disneyfied character models10 years after launch>garishly colored "totally not high elf" blood elf oc donutsteel reskin race that rapes lore14 years after launch>ugly nu-wow UI overhaul18 years after launch>ugly mishmash of mobileslop nu-wow art assets with oldschool art assets8 to 18 years after launchWorld of Warcraft Forever enshittification>achievements0 days after launch>phasing0 days after launch>quest helper0 days after launch>transmogrification0 days after launch>account wide 0 days after launch>Disneyfied character models0 days after launch>garishly colored "totally not high elf" blood elf oc donutsteel reskin race that rapes lore0 days after launch>ugly nu-wow UI overhaul0 days after launch>ugly mishmash of mobileslop nu-wow art assets with oldschool art assets0 days after launch
>>747666662JEEEEEEJ
>>747666835trannies can't parse for shit
>>747666661>it's classic+No it's not lol, it's retail->>747666662>Who the fuck is this for?>40 year old gay men.>I'm going home.You do you poofter.
>>747666504Why are you assuming that the stats and itemization follow the same curve as OG? If they're planning on never increasing the level cap past 60 it makes sense to widen the range of stats, making things look strong for their level until we see the full range.
>>747666693It's WoW2.>No dark portal, stay on Azeroth>New race, blue elves>Dwarf Shaman, Undead Paladin>New and finished old zones>new quests, items, recipes, spells, dungeons, raids etc>one server>level 60 cap forever>camping for group buffs
>>747666708I'm not a toilet licker, I just don't get upset at this shit in WoW because it's literally how warcraft has been my entire life even before WoW existed.>>747666758Oh no! The horror!>>747666786No anon, YOU fucked up the metaphor. The shit isn't on your plate, its on the persons plate next to you at the table and you can smell it and it bothers you. The restaurant is the game itself. Nothing went over my head, you're just bad at metaphors.
>>747666870>make one post and repost it over and over again in every thread about the subjectWhich nationality does this?
>>747666859grok, pull up the data on how many players even entered a level 60 raid during vanilla wow
>>747666894uh oh delusional parsenigger got triggered
>>747665119Classic (vanilla) changed almost nothing during its life cycle. Why are you redditors this stupid?
>>747666789there's not always a mage pr priest up at lm, having access to slowfall whenever you want is very strong. i legitimately can not play retail without the engineering glider, that thing is bis. parsefags being subhuman is something we can both agree on though. but those faggots are gonna cry up a storm, all of them that aren't retarded are already gonna be crying because their rag parse is useless unless they roll the new race.
>>747666971>>747666804They also already confirmed new races will be added later.I really, really hope they'll take cultures that already have thousands of unique assets, like Gilneas and Kul Tiras, and make alternative Human starting zones out of them, for example.
>>747666859Classic =/= Vanilla. Vanilla was constantly changing. Frequent patches, talent, spell and item re-works, and new content. You might solve a patch, but you could never solve the game.
>>747666919What in your mind is classic+ that makes this not classic+? Because as far as a normal persons requests for classic+ wow would be it does check all those boxes.
>>747666971>No dark portalGive it 2 years before they reintroduce the "new and improved" BC.
>>747666434You're a fucking idiot. Literally the only sub-race that's above 2% of players are Void Elves. The two most popular races are Night Elves and Blood Elves.Blizzard is selling what people want to buy.
>>747667032They made a bunch of sweeping changes before the game released that dumbed down the game and also made design choices from the start that made the game more casual than previous MMOs of the time. Maybe learn some things when you try to cosplay being old.
>>747665236works on my machine
>>747667128It could work if they do it right. Make it just a level 60 zone, no Shattrath, no flying mounts. You still have to go to Org or Stormwind to do your normal shit.
>>747667097Game didn't need to be 'solved' to be easyFirst time I thought WoW was hard was doing Mimiron hard mode and even that was mostly because of nonsensical rng in a badly designed fight
>>747667032Multiple things changed between when the manual was written and when the game launched that made the game more casual friendly. They made the game easier as it progressed too, but you could chock that up to casual players whining on the forums.
>>747667082I feel like opening the gates to gilneas will be one of the first updates coming out
>>747663858elvui always has been souless but god knows that it still way better than any modern default UI made by blizz
>>747660075Wait... so are characters locked to whatever role you chose or can they swap between as if they are different modes? Like Runescape?Kind of defeats the purpose of those servers if its the latter.
>>747666894trannies are the speedrunning community you dumb newfag
>>747667187>Duuh my retoilet statisticsThen why does no one play night elves in classic? Why is it horde dominant despite the lack of blood elves, i'll let you in on a secret component of the equation your 80 IQ shitskin mind cannot comprehend, the demographics are different.
>>747667275We don't know. The wording they used makes it seem like a permanent choice though, and I could see them selling "shard transfers".
>>747667238>MimironRetail shitThe game died at TBC
>>747664740The raped ̶m̶a̶l̶e̶ blizzsissy enjoys the rough ̶s̶e̶x̶ findom
>>747666043beta doesn't even start with a max level cap so you won't know what they've done to hyjal and whatnot.honestly you can just drop 15 for a month and check it out then unsub if its bad. For something called "WoW Forever" if this fails early on and player counts dip they will be in trouble, which is a good thing.
They better never add flying
>>747667382True, WoW was best when it was extremely easy like it was in vanilla and even more so in classic
>>747667459You clearly weren't there so your opinion has been discarded.
>>747667457Anon, why do you think they are called Skyborne elves? They are going to be the flying mount trainers.
>>747667457>>747667558They said very clearly, on stage, no flying mounts.
>>747667459>the game was easy>by game she means instance dungeons and raids (1% of the game, not the focus)
>>747667421This is the part thats hilarious to me. So much hatred and shit for no reason when these motherfuckers could just pay $15 and find out if they enjoy it or hate it for themselves. Of course I'm sure some poor zoomer mouth breather is gonna come in and talk about "paypig" and other dumb buzzwords but $15 is literally fucking nothing to anyone who is an adult with a career. Imagine being so poor and pathetic you can't just pay a few bucks to find out if you enjoy something a bunch or if you don't.
>>747667558That would require them to completely re-do every single zone in the game to support flying mounts. Are Blizzard lazy or not?
>>747667623Can’t wait for flying
>>747667457Not at launch, but the store UI is primed for a steady stream of paid mounts every quarter, it's why they are also changing riding training in general.
>WOTLK combat was peak>Retards glorify "pressing one button" Vanilla
>>747667645Didn't say that. Classic is so easy that people get to level 60 without ever dying. Some even clear the raids.
>>747667082Can´t wait for *rolls colorwheel* elf added!
>>747667457needs rdf too, can't be fucked having to muster the courage to ask people to invite me or have them join each time, stupid unc shit
>>747667645>boost to 60>guild carries you through pre-raid BIS farming>stack world buffs>do a raidwtf this game is easy
>>747667558their travel form is a bird. flying is most likely coming at some point.
>>747661692Turtle wow was much much better which is why it had to be shut down. Too much competition.
>>747665314Huh you mean at the end of warcraft 3? Are you telling me these guys are like 4 years old?
>>747667804Wisps can be pretty ancient IIRC
>>747667702Retail, of course, being the much much harder counterpart where you can spellcleave 50 mobs that are orange level naked from lvl 1-60?Difficulty was never a selling point in the entire history of the game, moron.
>>747667804He made it up. They're like the Shen'dralar, but they hid in the clouds instead of in Dire Maul.
>>747656880how do they look with the old model toggle?
>>747667849Yeah but their time as elves should've been 4 5 years at most cause wisps gangbanging archimonde happened in warcraft 3
>>747667776>Turtle WoW was much much better! It didn't have immersion breaking cringe like sky elves!How many p2w items did you buy from turtle's cash shop to still be mad about this?
reading this thread and some others is a trip.for all the shit you guys give sony, nintendo, steam cultists, blizzdrones FAR outshine them in that department. people are genuinely getting angry and upset over someone not praising Forever like Christ second coming.
>>747663119He might be talking about night elves and how they were introduced in WC3, but half the plot of WC3 is 'yo dawg, you need to migrate to this forgotten continent or else shit's gunna be really bad," so it's not exactly a stretch to find mew races there.
>>747667740>"game">skip majority of the game bro so you can do this 1 raid once a week broparsetrannies are clinically retarded
>>747667936Wasn't warcraft 3 20 years before wow niller?
>>747667960literal shills m8
>>747667776Turtle WoW had literally the same shit.
Ouch right before Zelda? Yeah sorry, Ocarina Hire This Man edition takes priority.
>>747657329CVlassicniggers love Retail tho>>747663469>>747664686I swear most people that talk about wow never played wowIt's already an option ingame, you can freely switch from classic to modern
>>747667945>turtle's cash shopYou are confusing turtle wow with ascension, doesn't matter though, you'll still do it because you really want to sell that WoW Forever isn't the gayest thing since gay came to gay town
>>747667998No the literal first cinematic of the game tells you how long its been>4 years has passed since the mortal races banded together to defeat the Burning Legion
>>747667927Like Blood Elves but blue
>>747668084I guess im retarded
>>747667960viral marketing, just a thing you have to contend with, the genuine opinions will come in a year or two once the thing dies and the company focuses on something else
>>747668049I'll be fully immersed in both. It's honestly gonna be fucking peak for me since my favorite thing to do in vanilla was get to level 30ish then get upset at leveling and only gank and shit talk in chat while being afk all the time. Now with the portable switch I can just pick it up and play while shit talking in chat non stop.
>>747667927Gay feathers and sparkles.
If there was a floating island in the sky how come nobody fucking saw it?
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>>747666693it's retail wearing a classic skin
>>747668236It was invincible
>>747668236Nobody looked up
>>747668082>It isn't a cash shop! Its a donation points shopTurtlekikes are something else.
>>747667960You retards are like braindead snoys. You vague post like sissy faggots and and never back up any bullshit you claim while defending dogshit private servers that had cash shops while Forever doesn't have one. Nobody is fooled by you.
>>747667960Blizzdrones are a real thing, they are fat, they are gay, they are braindead.They are literally dying off from health issues, so the issue will eventually solve itself, but not before all of Blizzard's IPs become raped and gay.
>>747668236Same reason no one saw the Air Elemental raid/dungeons till Cata i guess.
>>747667960Uh, yeah? Blizzdrones were mocked for being cultists like nearly 2 decades ago, and they've only gotten worse since.
>>747668289>hidden land shrouded by le ancient magiksIts fucking pandaria and dragon isles all over againWelcome back retoilet 2.0
>>747667881>Difficulty was never a selling point in the entire history of the game, moron.Didn't claim it was. Said the EXACT opposite in fact.>Retail, of course, being the much much harder counterpart where you can spellcleave 50 mobs that are orange level naked from lvl 1-60?You don't even understand the game. You're a complete clown.
>>747668407>nearly 2 decades agoTry since 2001
>>747668412Pandaria? Try Ahn'Qiraj. Why couldn't they just fly gryphons over the walls into Ahn'Qiraj?
I went through the talents and it's homogenized garbage. Remember when they gave some classes 10% spell hit while others got 0? Now everyone gets an equal 5%. Spell range? Everyone should be able to hit things from the same range with all their damaging spells. Remember when some healers did aoe healing better and single target stuff worse? Now everyone can do them equally.God forbid that some classes and specs have actual weaknesses.
>>747668252>>747668315You were saying p2w, it's intentionally disingenuous, like I said, par the course for gay WoW Forever glazers, if Blizzard sold a WoW Forever dildo, you'd suck it and complain about why everyone else isn't joining in.
>>747668412This isn't anything new, it's how it works when you have no established lore. All video games suffer from this because all video games are written as they are made. There's much worse things in WoW than that anyway like the Undead joining the horde or the fact that suddenly everyone is at war again when warcraft 3 ended in a truce.
>>747666662I am just gonna take it easy and quest along slowly as fuck while I watch my shows on the other monitor.
>>747668236stop asking questions, chudwow forever is the future, and it's classic+
>>747668540Pay for convenience is pay 2 win
>>747668540>36 slot bag>not p2w
>>747668508Don't worry bro they can change it! Make sure to beta test for $30 for this retail- garbage.
>>747668440you don't understand shit, both games are piss easy, in neither variant is it hard to reach max level and bis and "beat the game", it is a matter of timethe og game was more based around resource management and dnd-esque systems with rolling for hits, where you can't take on more than 2-3 mobs at once unless you're mage to a fucking action rpg spamfest where you are full resource 24/7 from MoP and above.
>>747668567Same, but the same monitor.
>>747668540Now the turtlekike is pretending "p2w" means "literally win the second you spend money" instead of "gaining some sort of advantage".Remember this retard every single time you see someone praise Turtle WoW.
>>747668592>>747668595>WoW Forever is so terrible that the homosexual buyers can't help but be mindraped by convenience items in a dead private serverOof, hate to see it, love to make fun of it tho
>>747668548I thought the whole point of going back to the old world and expanding it was to prevent this kind of thing?
>>747668745>Remember this retardYes we will remember you for the faggot that glazes gay Blizzard shit, correct
>>747668508but bro you don't get it, the mathematically best lineup for raiding is like 99% warrior, please ignore the fact you can beat molten core with lvl 57s in greens I HAVE TO METAFAG, if the representation from all doing same damage and healing is not equal the class is le dead o algo
>>747668913When did I praise anything by Blizzard? Yeah exactly shut the fuck up turtlekike
Cant wait to make a comfy dad guild and explore the new zones with my fellow 30+ gamers
>>747668889The retail team is making WoW Forever, it's exactly the same as retail, saying the right things and doing the opposite
>>747668827Aw man, we got trolled epically gangnam style! I bet you're going to post this on reddit and get a million updoots!
Retailgawds and Turtlechads are dabbing on the classicniggers lmao
>>747669007>Saying the right thingsWhen did they do this?
>>747668993>Cant wait to make a comfy gay dad guildftfy*WoW Forever Hype WoW Forever Hype
>>747668567I boughted into the beta so I am going to spend a month telling them what they did wrong.
>>747669083Their announcements were technically just repeating the Classic+ discourse back at the audience, and then blatantly choosing the opposite
>>747669090I’m sure they will listen
>>747667687True. I wish we got WotLK+ instead. Maybe it will happen in a few years.
>>747668889Prevent what kind of thing? They literally are expanding upon it. I think a lot of people misunderstand the point of classic+ and what differentiates it to modern WoW.The game caps at 60 and will always be 60. This right here is the key component of a classic+ or in this case WoW Forever. It means regardless of what new zones they add or dungeons or raids, it's always horizontal progression and not a vertical progression that makes all previous zones, dungeons, and raids meaningless drivel. If the skyborne area ends up having a new like level 15 or 30 dungeon or some shit then that's new content that doesn't get rid of old content and is cool and awesome. Hell, the original WoW was supposed to be 4 factions and like 20 races, I would love to have Forever possibly expand into that although I know it won't but new races are not an issue.
>>747669083They keep saying that new content needs to be loyal to vanilla design, and how we're gonna stay in Kalimdor and EK... and one of the zones in the very first set is some random fucking floating island outta nowhere...
>>747669090Are you retarded?
>>747669253>add new zone>add a buff: while you're in this zone, gain 5000% more gold and have 400% more statsthey could retail it up without upping the lvl cap
>>747669271I think the point of them saying staying with Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms isn't that there won't be new land as much as them saying "you're not gonna be taking portals to other worlds and fighting galaxy level threats".I literally have no issues with new land masses and areas on azeroth itself. What if Forever ends up giving us like boats that allows us to travel the seas and allows us to head to the Arathi Empire on that continent? That would be dope as fuck and the exact type of thing we thought we were going to get as an expansion back in the day.
>>747669090Thank you for your service.
>>747669271EK and Kalimdor are way bigger in the lore than how they are represented in the game world. They could add a dozen new zones to each honestly and they wouldn't be as big as they would be.
>>747669090Please tell them to change that final enhancement spell to BLOODLUST, not that current gay shit.
>>747667705No, look at the player numbers, it's an easy recipe. Elves are by far the most popular, so they get a unique sub-race first. Humans are next. Then Orcs.
>>747669474Except that wouldn't really make any sense. IF all gear just gets a 400% buff but all gear is the same from all areas then it still wouldn't matter that it's 400% buffed lmao.
>>747669253There has to be a system to maintain the horizontality, like different items should be bis for different areas. The resistances factor into this perfectly. If they add northrend it should just be so fucking cold that if you don't have X cold resist you will just start taking %hp damage until you die, which will force you to replace some gear for weaker items which have the resistance you need.
>>747667687>TBC servers died overnight from the announcement of Forever and radio silence on whether we're getting Wrath Anni or notI just wanted to play Wrath, man.
Are they really experimenting with horizontal prog?
>>747668508Yeah I liked how during the reveal they were like:>We want to keep classes in their niche and not homogenize things.>Anyway, Holy Paladins can now spec into AoE healing.And people just eat it up.
>>747669809It's the same retail team working on it, what do you think will happen.
>>747669737Welcome to badly timed Everquest servers.
>>747669809Endgame does seem to be that way if we really stay locked at 60. I'm hoping it will be like FFXI during the 75 cap era.
>>747669532Big landmasses by design invite the theme park model of retail. I don't want that new continent shit. I just want to check out the 1-2 new zones every few months in the old world and see what new stuff goes on in the old zones.
>>747669708Yeah that's probably how it's going to work a lot of elemental sets and the like like old school mmos had.
>>747669253>>747669708Vanilla never had actual "horizontal progression", it just had some BiS items in older raids that didn't get replaced until Naxx. That's not horizontal progression, it's just certain slots not having good options. Blizzard has no idea how to do horizontal progression in a meaningful way. They also tried to do resistance stuff with Molten Core on SoD, and it was a colossal failure that everyone hated.
>>747669809Not really an experiment, it exists.>>747670004I'm fine with both options. I love seeing additions and changes to zones and empty areas that existed previously but I'm also not against new areas that should have existed that didn't.
>>747670150Having to go farm res gear sort of counts desu but 99% of the time yeah
>>747670150>Vanilla never had actual "horizontal progression"no one said it ever did>They also tried to do resistance stuff with Molten Core on SoD, and it was a colossal failure that everyone hated.Who cares what a bunch of retail trannies """think"""
>>747670150No shit? Where did I ever talk about vanilla having horizontal progression? Blizzard has never attempted to have a horizontal progression in a meaningful way so how do we know if they can or cannot pull it off?
>>747669532yes but starting off with flying islands from nowhere is a stupid sore way to start things out. on the player boats I totally agree, that would be cool.
>>747670150The "everyone" in question>NOOOOO I CANT PARSE IF I HAVE TO PUT ON FIRE RESISTANCE AURA CHANGE IT NOW BLIZZARD
>>747669737>I just wanted to play Wrath, man.
>>747670417Zoomers in the cord keep spamming this image. Why?
>>747670307The thing is, it's only stupid to some people and it's not stupid to other people. I personally have no issues with it. I'm more upset and confused about things like Dalaran dropping it's bubble but no one wants to talk about reasonable shit like that.
>>747669737>TBC servers died overnight from the announcementI haven't logged into my era character since the announcement either, wonder if those are dead, too.
>>747670512Why was Dalaran in a bubble in the first place? The city was turned to dust in WC3 and most of the mages were dead. No bubble, no city either makes more sense.
