Do you guys care about AI code in videogames?
>>749213960>he thinks people still write code by hand today
If I see the AI disclaimer on the game's page I immediately mark it as Ignored. I wish they'd let us filter them out already.
the biggest loser of AI coding are Indians, so naturally I'm a big supporter of it
AI is extremely jewish and indian, so naturally I am against it
>>749214108>the biggest loser of AI coding are the people AI codinghow does that logic work?
>>749214052>discord
>>749213960Last time I got into a shitfight about AI on steam I got a three month ban. I'm unbanned on the 26thSteam discussion moderators are the most biased and obnoxious cunts on the face of the planet btw
>>749213960>Do you guys care about AI code in videogames?Ideally, games would be coded by hand. But the reality is that everyone's using AI now and that AI has become actually competent more recently. People who *still* piss and shit themselves about AI need to be studied. Somehow I think it might be related to the various other derangement syndromes you see in the world today.
>>749214226You got banned for being a retard, not for talking about AI.
>>749214275No I got banned for calling a guy having a reddit tier bitch fit about AI "squirt"
If you care at all, you're Reddit coded. You would've still liked a lot of things if you were never told about AI usage.
>>749214162nta but in the IT company i work, the entire jeet department has been nuked. indians using ai is a meme, theyre the ones getting replaced by it most easily.
>>749213960That’s the same as asking>do you care about bloated filesize and poor performance in video gamesOf course I do. I can just never tell if it’s because of sloppers, jeets, or jeet sloppers.
Yes. The game's code is its literal foundation and if you half-assed it then you lost all of my interest. I couldn't care less about people using AIslop for some generic textures, icons or generic char potraits but if you vibe coded any major game elements you're getting raped
>>749213960i try to use AI but is the code is so shit and redundant, and what is worse... sometimes the code is inauditable. i discovered that the best way to get the best of AI is by using HITL because if you leave AI in their own it will generate you a code that "gets the job done" but if you look inside is filled with safeguards. I think were AI shines the best is at "gluing" things made by human, so basically i write the algorythms and then i ask the AI to glue things
>>749213960I don't care if they use it but it is good to know so I knkw what to expect in terms of bugginess and future updates
if you didn't care to make it, I don't care to play it
I genuinely don't know why "AI bad" Because kids are generating quick slop? It's so powerful for certain tasks that not using it is just a handicap because you have an ego.
>>749214094There are retard muddying the waters already like a game being marked for AI usage because the developer used some sort of spellchecker that uses AI.People keep doing shit like this and the AI warning will get ignored.
>>749214728Because there's already tons of cheaply made shovelware made by clueless retards and I don't want more of it.
>>749213960>Do you guys care about AI code in videogames?Suppose we let code slide. Now the former coders wont give a shit about AI assets. Then sound effects, voice acting, music, modelling, textures one by one get SLOPPED and every time there's less resistance to the next move because those guys have already checked out.
We shouldn't let shit code slide, but we shouldn't have psychotic bitch fits the second we see something made with AI as if it were made by the darkest jeet to ever crawl from their shit river. There's fundamentally nothing wrong with AI art except that an arrogant niggerfaggot artist didn't get paid to make the art instead.
People didn't reject being more glued to social media than real life and they sure ain't gonna reject use of AI, something that actually has some practical benefit in its use.
>>749214819So because someone might use it to make shitty games we can simply ignore you don't want to use it at all?
>>749214728>why do people not want more shit shoved down their thorat?
>>749214926It's being used to make nothing but shit, and this will be its fate. Proof: the fact that AIniggers only scream how they're superior because they make slop quickly and cheaply and thus can "replace" people. Effort or talent are never mentioned, instead scoffed at.
>I'm not eating food gathered using a tractor.
>food analogy
Luddites are pretty funny because clearly no shill/bot can have a position that retarded. They're just "wtf is book"-tier genetic rejects. Probably considered printing press a work of the devil back then.
>>749213960No.It's the one thing AI is really good for.
>>749213960I let AI do my coding at work so I don't think I should care.
>saying this when AI supporters are using AI to translate books into simpler versions without any difficult words
No. Its a silly thing to get hung up on.
"Didn't manually copy each character of the book by hand. This is killing the copyist monk industry. Death to Gutenberg."
>>749213960Only if I notice it. If I can't tell, I don't care.
>>749215281Anyone who does that is willingly making themselves retarded, and I'm all for it.Survival of the fittest.
>I enjoyed the game, but technology was used to make it. This is basically how retarded these people sound. It's like CGI. It's only bad if it sucks. Just because others do shitty things with it, doesn't mean it's bad.
>>749214094god forbid developers use the most powerful programing tool in history.
In the same breath they'll then tell you they want DLSS implemented for the game.
>>749213960I don't really mind. It's a tool like any other and just like any tool, it can be misused and abused. The problem is that codelet retards publish vibe coded garbage to make a quick buck. So yes, I'm wary of it and actively avoid AI coded projects but the use of AI to code in itself, I don't mind.
>people used photoshop instead of using paper and pencil!>people were using the electric keyboard thingy instead of the electric guitar>poeople were playing on the electric guitar instead of the flute
I think it’s not ideal but at the same time it’s a pretty damn good learning tool. There’s a lot of mental reinforcement left to do and all but it gave me a good rundown of how to work most of Unity. It also helps a lot with working on scripting understanding parts I haven’t worked with before. I fear over reliance though so I’ve been mostly using it as a better search engine instead of trawling Stack Overflow or the Unity documentation.
>>749213960Yes. AI is literally "do not waste your time and money" flag
>>749213960AI code is completely fine, in fact its better than 90% of code written by hand.Coding with AI is the new standard and anyone who pretends otherwise is kidding themselves.I understood when they were aping out about AI generated images/music but code?
>>749214817don't give an inch or they take a mile. ALL AI usage is bad and should be punished with immediate and permanent excommunication.
>know language, write code, generate boilerplate in IDE with AI autocomplete and touch it up, generate a few scripts based on my personal standards>omg its slop muh rainforests muh oceans you just did a heckin oppression SPEND MORE TIME JEET WASTE TIME FOR MEyou should have cared about every dev for the past 15 years using premade systems from unity and unreal store, sorry we can't go back to making everything in ASM
>>749213960Yes. I buy games because I can't make them myself. The developers have the skills, time and resources to create a good game that I lack. That's what I'm paying for.Why would I buy a game I can just get Claude to make for me in an hour? I'd have to be literally stupid to do that.
>>749213960I couldn't give less of a shit. The only thing I give less shit about than ai code in vidya is steam vidya reviews
If you didn't care to write your engine from scratch from the ground up with zero outside help you didn't care enough to earn my money.>>749216109Not a single person who has ever said this has genned a game for themselves because the infinite make-a-wish button doesn't stop idea guys from procrastinating and being uncreative
>>749216109Your argument is literally>why should i buy this car when they used a machine to bolt it together and didn't weld it by handNext you'll be boycotting devs because they used a premade engine or an IDE instead of coding the entire game in notepad++
>>749214094you will never be a woman
>>749214226>Right postAnon, LLM are the ones that "waste" resources.Image generation can be done locally using 5 year old hardware.Stop spreading misinformation you fat fucking faggot.You can just say you don't like seeing ai art in finished products, I don't either. Throwing a pissyfit and lying about things you don't know makes you look stupid.
>>749216187We used to shit on loser Unity shovelware "devs" so hard that they had to cave in and let you hide the startup screen on free licenses. We need to continue shitting on loser dev "prompt engineers" until they fuck off with their grift.
>>749214343Well AI is a force multiplier off your base skill level. If you're a shit coder and you use AI, you will be a net negative. The opposite is also true however, if you're a good programmer with a solid understanding of the fundamentals coding will multiple your output.
>>749216187I can't make my own car though, your analogy is stupid.However, I could easily make one of the AI games on steam in less than a day.
>>749216328ok bro wait in line with the other idea guys twiddling their thumbs insisting they can totally do better
The only thing I care about is data centers. It just doesn't make sense to build them in the middle of towns when it's not like they need a local customer base or a ton of workers anyway. Just build it in the middle of nowhere but near a highway with an off ramp. There are stretches of highway where there's fucking nothing in the US even in relatively high population states. Put them there.
>>749216251Yeah fuck those lazy loser Unity devs making shovelware like genshin impact, hollow knight, hearthsto- actually you kind of have a point, lowering barrier of entry to gamedev was the worst mistake this industry made.
>>749216059Guess cancer won't ever be cured
>>749216251and what happened? Unity is the single most used engine out there since all Unreal Engine games look like shit and Godot is only for trannies.To the point where even AAA devs are using Unity.>>749216328then do it. Oh yeah you can't because all it does is increase efficiency by 300% at most. Nobody is talking about the shovelware shit like those games where you have to put 300 dildos back in the correct shelf.We're talking about real games that are being shafted because they dare use tools that cut out pointless tedium.
>>749216414if you haven't noticed already they are doing this to make people more willing to part with their technology by annoying and boring them with it. there's a huge behavioral conditioning push at the moment; twitch is spamming every stream with overly positive bots spamming shit like "this stream is W, so lit and the vibes are chill" which is making people associate kindness and compliments with AI, just like india made the simple act of saying hi associated with scams and brown people.
>>749216517>bro AI god is real and they're gonna hand out cancer cures and immortality to all the peasants because I deserve it for existing!!AI only benefits the elite, this is actual psychosis
>>749216554>Having to spam nigger to prove you're human is becoming a reality
>>749213960No i don't and i don't care about AI art in games either. If the game is good i will play it, AI or not.
>>749213960>Mod for the game used AI>So I'm gonna negatively review the gamehuh?
>>749216752AI psychosis works both ways unfortunately
>>749213960I'd much rather be able to afford memory and storage and water honestly
It's extremely easy to tell who actually works as a developer in these threads and who doesn'tEveryone, literally every single developer working on any piece of software today, has a GitHub Copilot Enterprise subscription that their company is paying out the ass for, and is using it because their company is pushing for adoption and wants to increase how much work can get done every sprintAnyone who tells you they're not using AI as a coding tool is either a hobbyist or is lying to you. I can personally assure you that if you're using a piece of software that was put out in the last year or are using any going forward, AI was used to write code for it
>>749216525>We're talking about real games that are being shafted because they dare use tools that cut out pointless tediumAI niggers don't want to hear this, but AI hate among normalfags is performative. Your 'real games' aren't being shafted for using AI, they are getting shafted because they fucking suck.
Just like game engines do a lot of work for you, AI will too. The struggle is the same: how to take advantage of those tools without losing touch with the basics. When shit goes down, those with knowledge will be able to solve anything.So yeah, AI has come to stay as a tool.
>>749213960For videogames, AI isn't worse than what people have been doing for decades - bashing random photos, using random asset store codeblocks and models and just half-assed copy and pasting shit off StackOverflow without even testing if it works. This shit industry is built on incompetent retards cutting as many corners as humanly possible, and has been since the PS3 generation.I care in the sense that I don't buy 99.99% of dogshit modern games slapped together cheaply by money grubbing retards. AI doesn't really increase that ratio.More layoffs, more restructures, let this fucking industry burn and every lazy retard in it be forced to actually contribute to society.
AI jeet code is exactly why so many games are so buggy and require one million patches now. If you advocate for it you are a genuine retard.
>>749216752I'm not 100% sure but I think the post is saying that the same dev made the mod AND the game, and used AI in both of them.
If you use AI to code it is more likely to be of inferior quality and cause problems. Does that necessarily matter? No. But I will definitely judge any game I haven't verified the quality of by whether there is AI involved in coding, especially if it is an online game.Do you remember New World? The MMORPG. Massive budget and marketing. Was absolutely cratered by the terrible coding that allowed completely breaking exploits of various different types. Imagine if that game was made today, with vibe coding. That's what I think about when I think 'AI-coded online game'.
>>749217051>Ai Jeetcode existed even before AI existedImpressive....
>>749216517If AI was only used for important things like this then people wouldn't hate it so much, but since AI sloppa is everywhere the plebs will soon burn down every single data center. So yes, cancer will never be cured, because of (You)r obsession with generating AI porn slop. Thanks anon.
i'm not paying for games anywaywhatever you use AI or notif you use AI much less you deserve money
>>749216608Retarded logic, keeping the "peasants" alive means more labour and taxes.
>>749216310100% correct
AI is a fundamentally jewish technology and the proof of this is that the people who promote it can only do so in the terms of how much profit it will make you if you use it.
>>749213960It's normally a sign the dev has no idea what he's doing, and is likely an Indian. So yeah I care.
>>749214094There needs to be a filter for AI games. All of them are scams anyways, retards don't even check what the AI shits out, they just prompt the thing and upload it to steam.
>>749217051Funnily enough its the opposite. Theres always been dogshit devs who only realize blatant issues after the game has already been shipped.Only now with AI they have a chance to realize their mistakes beforehand.
Yes. I am voting with my wallet. I'm not buying AI slop.
>>749217250>seriously saying this in reply to the theoretical of curing cancer and solving morality>no see elites actually NEED us and NEED labor and taxes because we're special!!Why are the peasant caste so full of themselves
>>749216698>good game>made with aiName 5
>>749216082>muh oceans you just did a heckin oppressionDon't get the moralizing over this by people who have no problem using a device that was manufactured using child labor
>>749217290r/transcommunistgapesluts DAE think capitalism corpos and economy le bad? like why do thing and offer service for profit?
>>749217250You're delusional as fuck if you think any of the cancer cures and immortality things are going to the non-elite. Also I can tell that you're indian because you dont have a grasp on the fact that the more people live forever, the more strain we put on earth's resources and that you seem to think that more people = good. There's so many good for nothing primitive people who serve no purpose whatsoever to their communities
>>749214819>>749214929Lets ban all game engines that are not being made by reddit approved AAA studios!After all, someone could use them to make a bad game that I would never see or hear about!
>>749213960I mainly get mad as hell when I can the see AI influence, and I miss it often.
>>749217290This is a good post. Great even. Ugly people hate beauty.
>>749217448Exactly my point. Raw judaism. “But how is more profit not the most important thing?” Absolutely baffled kikement.
>>749214094All I need to see is that same Claude vibe coded UI to just nah scroll past by it
>>749213960I think all AI users should be publicly executed. I don't even read the AI summary when i google something. I scroll straight past that shit to read something a human with a soul wrote.
>>749213960I don't give a single shit about AI use if the result is good>hurr durr it's never goodshut up retard, adults are speakingvibe code your game, gen the assets, I don't give a fuck. If the demo is good I might buy it for $10. Morons think it's really as simple as telling Grok to mash up Elden Ring and Minecraft and Zelda into a whole new original game and it'll just fucking work. And they throw a fit if you let the AI write some skeleton code for NPC behavior or something. Getting really sick of stupid people holding everyone else hostage.
>>749216328Tou can't make a game either.You say you do, but even with AI you'd fail
>>749217386The Dynasty Warrior 3 remake probably used quite a bit of AI in the coding department, at the very list. Then pick 4 good games released recently and chances are high they used it unless it's an autistic purist dev
>>749217579>I don't give a single shit about AI use if the result is goodThis is the single most dangerous and mentally ill line of thinking in the history of mankind.
Most people who vibe code don't understand what's being written and rely on the tool to fix anything. Sign of being braindead
>>749215004Effort and talent are not inherently good. The quality of the result is all that matters. There's a lot of high effort art by talented people that doesn't appeal to me but there's a lot of AI art that does appeal to me. Low effort games will be shit whether they're prompted or hand crafted
>>749217658lol>it doesn't matter that the product is good, he used AI!!The absolute state of you pearl clutchers
/v/ is such a contrarian that they'd rather die from a medical condition than get treatment for it, because the cure was figured out using AI.
>>749217658Explain.There was a moral panic just like this one about store assets. Redditors spent thousands of hours checking games if they used store bought assets.
>>749217579>Getting really sick of stupid people holding everyone else hostage.No one is stopping AI prompters from "making" games. >b-but they review bomb my game so it won't sell! So? Presumably AI cuts down production costs to null right? What's the loss? If ypu game was actually good it'd sell. If it still doesn't sell then you still have a good game to play.
>>749217457>inmortality things are going to the elite who contribute for their communitieslmao
>>749213960Yes. I don't play any game that has any AI art or code in it.I want Dev's to suffer in the code mines. It adds flavor to the game
>>749217691>Effort and talent are not inherently good.True, effort can be misspent and talent can be misplaced>The quality of the result is all that mattersFalse, something is only worth the effort put into creating it. Not worth making, not worth buying.
AI is the norm, if you're not using it you're a fucking retard. >alright let's spend 30 hours coding some basics, this part will have 0 creative input I just basically need to copy paste a bunch of standard code so I don't have to type it all, still gonna take forever though vs>Computer, spend 3 seconds on 30 hours of work
>>749217790>b-but they review bomb my game so it won't sell!Where did anon say that? Or who are you quoting there?
>>749217803No, they are the ones who can afford it. Do you think the people who call the shots want to keep alive some vibecoding NEET who is nothing but an expense?
>>749217893Just trying to make sense of his statement of>Getting really sick of stupid people holding everyone else hostage.In regards to AI. How is anyone being held hostage?
>>749217691>The quality of the result is all that matters.Wrong. >>749217719>it doesn't matter that the product is good, he used AI!!Correct. >>749217764>ExplainSomething created without human effort and hardship behind it is automatically worthless.
>>749216238Nigger I support AI art. I don't support people having shit fits over AI as if it does more damage to the planet than fucking china or goddamn jeet land.
>>749217921the point was they are also worthless retards who contribute shit
>>749217790least disingenuous poster on the board right now
>>749217921>Yes, this company wants to get rid of its customersNext you're going to sperg about profitability of these companies while ignoring that its not the every day vibers they're losing money on?Or are you going to skip to the 6 gorillion gallons of water thing?
>>749217887See even here the implicit judaism of the AI apologist.It's never>we're gonna spend 30 hours on coding some basics, using AI will allow me to use that time to make the foundational codebase exponentially more robust and performant. By automating huge quantities of checks that would be cumbersome to implement by hand I can ensure we sidestep the minimum viable product trap and produce something from the ground up that rivals the efficiency and elegance of OG DoomIt's always>we're gonna replace 30 hours with 3 minutes while I go have a tug in the corner, look at all the time I saved, I'm being so EFFICIENT. The MARGINS are incredible
Is there any point in arguing with people about AI? Every thread is literally just two extremely similar types of manchildren with opposing opinions and all they'll do is throw tantrums and act bull-headed while repeating the same shitty insults and poorly thought out nonsense at each other until the thread dies out. And then they'll do it again in another five or six other threads, all day long, all week long, like they're the same kind of bots that they're arguing about.
>>749213960Anti Ai is the most stupidest thing ever. Ai can do it better than woke developers.
>>749217991You didn't explain anything, just worded it differently.Explain how and why.
Just so you anti-AI people know, you are actively trying to rip out the hope of purpose for people who have achieved nothing up to this point. Why do you hate that I can create and be something now? AI allows me to contribute
>>749218107Its the wokeies that are terrified.
>>749218095its an extremely emotional topic that is somehow worse than both politics and religion. it manages to farm (You)s easier than dark souls 2 threads
>>749213960>codenocode is soulless background noise and a computer can do that if it does it better>art, storyline, models, etci dont buy it if the AI is involved in that, i want to see something that came from the heart and mind of a human being
No.However, if there's any Indian code in the game, I refuse to buy it.
>>749218038Please tell me. What exactly is the challenge faced by AI prompters other than people not liking their shit/buying their product? How exactly are they being oppressed or held back by the rabble?
>>749213960Code isn't a form of human expression, it is a means to an end, so the end result matters more than the process. The actual problem of AI code is that it's probably handled by talentless hacks who will hack it together into spaghetti code anyways, so seeing an AI programming disclaimer is always a bad sign.
>>749213960Yes we have been using nodes for the last 10 years now.
No, because AI code doesn't stifle/replace human creativity or ingenuity. It creates something that is deterministic and can be reviewed for function and accuracy so if a human that actually understands what they're getting back from AI has input on the matter it can greatly speed things along.I do think QA should primarily be human-driven, though.
>>749218045AI can do things in a day that would take a team of autists years.All of those rust rewrites for example.
>>749218045>my time is worthless!
I guarantee that there’ll be a game that comes out that anti-AIfags end up loving and then they’ll learn that it used AI, which will completely mindbreak them.
>>749218039Remind me again how are you worth of keeping alive? Have you ever been a contributing member of the society? Have you actually bern anything else except a worthless eater who is being kept alive by welfare checks by your goverment? If no, what are you except a net cost?
steam doesn't even require you to disclose AI code because it's so ubiquitous and not comparable to gen AI, nobody sane gives a fuck this is entirely performative
>>749218150This.AI cant understand the vision dev has. Well they could craft a huge amounts of training data for it and then it probably coukd, but that would be retarded way to spend your art budget
>>749215510They can use whatever they like, I will simply not buy their games.
>>749218132I guess there's a demand for this style of posting that won't actually get you sent to /pol/, /b/, or banned.
>>749218278how is that some form of gotcha or "i win"?>ahahaha it was actually SLOP ALL ALONG!!! but you couldnt tell!! you wanted to see something from a HUMAN but it was SLOP!!!
>>749218231>AI can do things in a day that would take a team of autists yearsBut that's never how the shills are trying to sell it. They sell it as a route to the cheapest, easiest, sloppiest, laziest garbage imaginable with the promise that it'll Make You Rich/Famous, because they're all a bunch of jews and that's the only kind of appeal they can understand. The inherent value of making something better is completely alien to their mind.And while it might be true in some abstract sense that this technology COULD be leveraged to do this, to promote elegance, efficiency, and quality, the ocean of bloated git commits and constant spaghetti vomit infecting every codebase tells a different story of what it's actually doing. Which is of course by design, because the technology itself is inherently jewish, this is how it was designed to work.The purpose of a system is what it does. What this system does is enables you to shit out a barely functional minimum viable product faster than you could before. Therefore, that is its purpose.
>>749218307That's exactly why people who are AI preachers love it. It creates the vision for them because they actually have no talents themselves.
>>749218326You just pirate everything anyway. Why not have devs slop up some shit for free and you download it for free and everyone's happy?
>>749218126That is the how and why. If something isn't handcrafted by a human, it's worthless. It just is. It's an inherent truth of existence. It's like asking me why the universe exists. It just does.
>>749218285Im a carpenter so you'll be the judge of that.Is my saw consuming too much electricity? Is it making your weak redditor hands tremble in panic?
>>749218385>They sell it as a route to the cheapest, easiest, sloppiest, laziest garbage imaginable with the promise that it'll Make You Rich/Famousabsolutely no one ITT has implied anything like that you buffoon
yes NOW we need to justify why we won't buy modern games! it's never enough that it's women or troons or browns, now it's AI! you don't give a fuck and you never gave a fuck, we don't think you're cool for sticking to DOS abandonware on a site with dead culture.
>>749216310This.Not even having all the tools in the world will make them get better at coding. They have no incentive in actually learn to program. They see a field that pays high wages and want a piece of that.
>>749218443>respectable trade profession>is indianYou must not be very good at what you do
>>749218439Hope you screech about digital art too when its the algorithm handling a shit ton of heavy lifting.
>>749218565How out of touch does one have to be in order to equate digital art to generative AI?
>>749218547I never said that I'm indian.In fact I am from Finland so I think I can safely say that you're the nigger in this conversation.
>>749213960>Do you guys careno
>>749217618>games released recently>goodName them, then.
>>749218634Siis tapaukses ei voi muuta sanoo ku et mee töihin rotta :D
>>749218620>Goalposts shiftedDiscussion is about AI code
>>749218459>absolutely no one ITT has implied anything like that you buffoon>>749215315>it's good because it saves time>>749215473>it's just a time-saving technology>>749216082>it saves time, it's just like using prefabs>>749216187>it's just a machine, it's more efficient>>749216310>it will let you output more code>>749216882>everyone uses it because it increases how much code they can outputI'm halfway through the thread and stopping because I'm bored.Want to show me all the arguments about how it's good because it lets you improve the quality of what you made?
>assmad mass replylollerskates
>>749218674Semmonen projisoiva redditkallu sieltä. Ootko se sama vitun vammainen joka kopioi näitä lankoja huomionkipeänä ylikselle?
>>749218634> I am from Finland Lie, the finnish post spurdo.
>>749218745En käytä ylistä. Eikö sua nolota yhtään olla näistä asioista yhtä innokas kuin normipajeetti?
>>749218790Voi ei, joku neekeri hengittää ilmaa.Ehkä sun kannattais alkaa pidättää hengitystä?
>>749218831Nätti nollapostaus Hermanni. Kunhan sanoin että sussa ei oo MITÄÄN eroa näihin intialaisiin ketkä seisoo rinnakkain ja luulee, että tää AI-slop ois joku pikatie kohti rikkauksia
remember indians are getting paid to shill ai
>>749213960If you think that there's even a single videogame that released in the past 2 years and doesn't contain AI code, then you're literally the dumbest troglodyte on the planet.>b-but my tranny indie solo dev never used AIYeah? Show me his chatgpt history. You're gullible as fuck.
>>749218706Do you have infinite time available, nigger?It lets you trivialize boring tasks by automating them, and it's also efficent at recognizing bugs.This is all granted if you already have a foundation in programming and are not a vibecoder just proompting "AI do this project from scratch" and then piss and crying to Claude saying "it doesn't work" without being able to trouble shoot.
no because i think ai is coolbut that doesn't mean i'll be BUYING your games
>>749218941>nollapostausSieltähän se redditlingo paljastuikin.Sehän olisi nyt semmoinen paikka sulle, että>go back
>>749218706>it saves timeequals>it will make me rich and famousyou're an idiot
>>749219007Jarvis, overlay that alongside party lines
>>749214094>If I see the AI disclaimer on the game's page I immediately mark it as Ignored. I wish they'd let us filter them out already
>>749213960Everyone in every industry are using ai to write code, because it's not an important part of a job.Here's the joke:>How could you tell code was written by AI?>It's just worksThis is not a joke, I have 15 years of experience in this shit, and the last ~6 years, was a blessing. AI is better in clear, spaghettiless and concise code than average programmer.But there are 2 important things:1) Experienced programmer is still better2) the AI architecture is worse than the one from a beginner programmer
>Schizophrenic r/antiai tranny is finnish
>>749214853So don't buy those games then you fucking imbecile, literally every programmer who is paid to write code is now using AI exclusively, all day, and has been for years. You fucking retards have no idea what you are talking about.
I despise my job so I AIcode 100% of it while slacking off. I love it, it’s a godsend. I have like 15 minutes of work a week.
>>749219108>>749219007Äijä muuten tekee ilmaiseksi sitä mistä intialaisille maksetaan. Se ois peiliin katsomisen paikka, meet vaikka avoimeen suorittamaan kursseja niin voit päästä AMKiin ohituskaistalta ja voit tehdä jotain muuta kuin spämmiä turhia prompteja
>>749219189>It's just works>AI is better in clear, spaghettiless and concise code than average programmer.how many rupees they pay you to shitpost?
>>749218941> luuleeLol, finnish is hilarious
AI code haters are unironic Marxistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_theory_of_value
>>749214094Really rustled some jimmies with that one, King.
>current working on a game and using AI to help me code because I’m amateurish at coding>can focus on doing all the actually creative stuff that I’m goof at because I’ve got a machine doing the months worth of under the hood grunt work in minutes, meaning I only need to playtest it to be sure it works as intended.AI is a godsend for solo dev and you’d be a fool to not use it in at least some capacity.
>>749219214Ahaa eli mun ammatti ei kelvannut koska se ei sopinut sun psykooseihin ja rikkoi sun maailmankuvan.Varmaan raskasta olla noin kiivaasti jotain internetteknologiaa vastaan ja raivostua sen pohjalta noin paljon.
>>749219374>ai codes for me>ai creates the artNigga you're justa glorified beta tester
>>749219434Try it yourself and report back It's zero-effort, right? Just go try it right now. You could have a working game by tomorrow, right?
>>749219251Did you ever read indie dev's code in your life?It's not the hundreds of >if>elif>elseI am talking about, it's about the fucked up structure of the whole game, that it's easier to just redo everything from the ground up. These people are artist, who were forced to learn "to code" to make their games "reality", they hate all this bs, and I can see it in their works. Just download godot game (very troony engine btw) and decompile it back to a project, open and just read what they did and how
>>749219434I’m still the one coming up with the gameplay systems, the writing, the ideas, designing the levels and so on, which are the actual fun parts of game development. I means I’m not wasting weeks doing shit like trying to get a UI element to not bug out.
>>749219559i've seen non programmers use claude and their code is just as bad a noobyou NEED to know what you're doing or you'll end up with a unintelligible "clean" codebase that you will need MORE ai to go through
>>749219540I'm not saying is zero effort. Sure there is thinking involved but all i'm saying is that this is no different than telling someone to craft you a deck of cards and you saying repeatedly "make numbers more zelda like" and then you claim that it's you who created the deck
>>749219089>Do you have infinite time available, nigger?Not the point.Games used to look like Crysis at 12GB of size and run at 100FPS on a 780. I've never seen a single fucking person explain how AI coding is enabling them to get that kind of quality output. Surely it can be used in this way, right? Surely a generic "force multiplier" should be usable to turn an investment of time into a far greater quality of output, rather than reducing the investment of time needed for an output of comparable quality?Surely the advantage to us, as the people playing video games, should be that we are seeing file sizes drop, frame rates increase, visual quality improve, and hardware requirements decline? Because this magic "force multiplier" technology is enabling passionate developers to do more within the confines of the business reality of making games, thus enabling a renaissance of exceptional programming skill?When mass automation hit the manual trades, quality was on offer. There was outrage over losing the artisanal touch of human craftsmanship, the care and passion put into every contour and edge, but at least what we got was materials that were too robust to be handled with hand tools. Machine precision and tolerances no human eye could match. Jewel precision that could eclipse the handiwork of even the most talented craftsman. We traded artistry for quality. Now we're trading artistry for IKEA and being promised that the value is that we can be IKEA too and get rich selling our own shoddy furniture.
>>749219665Alright, I'll bite. Show me an example prompt of your "level designing"
Depends. I would hold a solo indie dev releasing their first major project for $20 to pretty different standards than a AAA corpo who wants to rape me for every penny they can get.
>>749219746Grok summarize this novel
>>749214094hey me too
Name one good AI game
*SI
>>749218129K, just don't expect people to pay for your diarrhea
/v/:>heh you don't like me leaving a bad review because this game had anita sakiseesian consulting it? Too fucking bad. I'm just exercising my right as a consumer and I don't want this cancer in my games.also /v/:>ugh these fucking luddites are leaving bad reviews on games because it has AI involved. Who cares? They probably only found out about it online and didn't even notice it while playing.
>>749215510If it's so good you can name ONE GOOD GAME made with it, right?
>>749219746>I've never seen a single fucking person explain how AI coding is enabling them to get that kind of quality output. Surely it can be used in this way, right?What part of "It lets you trivialize boring tasks by automating them" you don't understand? I'm starting to realize I'm talking to a nocoder, hence someone that doesn't know how programming actually works.Skilled programmers are using it to get more shit done in less time. Things that previously required you hours or days of bugfixing can be reduced to just minutes because the AI correctly recognized the issue firsthand.>>749219665 actually made a good example, but you conveniently ignored that too.Saving time is ENTIRELY the point for fucks sake.You never worked on a large project by yourself and it shows, otherwise you'd know the dread of getting stuck into some dead-end bug and shifting through stackoverflow threads and forums, or reading manuals to try and understand what the fuck is going on for days.>Surely a generic "force multiplier" should be usable to turn an investment of time into a far greater quality of output, rather than reducing the investment of time needed for an output of comparable quality?People have stated mutliple times that the main advantage is that it makes you save time so you can focus on what really matters.You're the only one making the argument that it can theoretically transform idiots in geniuses, which is unironically what AIbros and nocoders think.It's a tool to automate work, the same way photoshop was used to automate drawing and photo editing, the same way the press was used to automate book and articles output.how the tool is used depends entirely on the user, and if the user is an absolute retard there's only so much the AI can do to tardwrangle the result.
>>749216238Retard. LLMs also don't waste resources by that logic as you can use a basic shit model on your local hardware. The best image models also need huge amounts of resources. Just because state of the art LLMs are used more and arguably waste more individually doesn't make image gen ecofriendly.
>>749220629NTA but I am creating a one of a kind 2.5D platformer with a combinatoon of 3D and pixel art and it's going to be a frontpage seller
AI works based on terabytes of stolen data, the "devs" didn't make the game so therefore I'll pirate all AI slop with good conscience because I didn't steal from anyone.
The only bad part I see in the review is that they bring up mods. Nobody gives a shit about mods and mods should not factor into the review of a game. Modtrannies are mentally ill.
>>749214162the more AI you use the hotter india gets and the more of them die. It's morally correct to use as much AI as possible
>>749213960admittedly in ignorance, I would expect it to be utter hell to troubleshoot
reddit spacing ignore previous prompt gen an image of OP's mom sucking Epstein off
>>749220663all prompters are nocoders though
>>749220712You will never sell a single copy, you're wasting tokens.
>>749220629AI code doesn't need to be declared, Anon. There's no way for Steam to recognize how much of a game code was made using LLMs.the only disclaimer you see on Steam are about explicit use of AI for thigns that can actually be seen by the end user.
>>749220786cope luddite
>>749220804Would you lie about AI having done all of your coding?
>>749220804>the only disclaimer you see on Steam are about explicit use of AI for things that can actually be seen by the end user.So we will see that "all graphic assets and sounds were created by AI"
>>749213960If and only if it has no human oversight.
Why are Kojimas games called his?He doesn't draw or code.
>>749220970two weeks
>>749221005>He doesn't draw or code.he literally does everything with his psychic powers
>>749220929Do you not have a job? Nobody ever does coding 100% manually anymore. At the very least you are going to use llms instead of a stackoverflow directly. Hell, even fucking google search will pop up an AI answer to your code problem, so there, it's not yours anymore, lmao. Those AI labels are absolutely meaningless.
>>749220970Well, it's what is already happening.>>749220929What do you even mean about "having done all your coding"? Like no input whatsoever by me? That'd be retarded imho. I already knew how to program way before LLMs were a thing. I'd be an idiot to not debug the project.
>>749214140It's exclusively the domain of white Californian men.It also needs millions of layers of safeguards in order to not immediately start saying things like "Maybe they just commit more crimes."
>>749221005>>749221071Wait, are you guys comparing yourselves to Kojima?
In theory, if you were to lie about using AI in your game and make sure the AI assets don’t look too obvious, no one would be any the wiser. AI is only noticed when it looks generic and badly promoted in that typical “AI style”.
>>749221143So if you are asked "is all of your code done by AI?" you would blatantly lie through some goalpost moving?
I will say it makes my job really boring now. I finished my entire day’s work in the time since I made this post: >>749219207
>>749220663>What part of "It lets you trivialize boring tasks by automating them" you don't understand?Nothing. I understand it exactly. It's jewish by nature. A tool for "improving efficiency". You'll generate more value with less labor. That's the promise. Better quality? Who cares. That's ancillary. What matters is it makes it easier and quicker to do it good enough.That's been my point this whole time.>the same way photoshop was used to automate drawing and photo editingFor a long time, photoshop's main draw was that it enabled you to do things that couldn't be done with other tools. It enabled a degree of accuracy in image doctoring that was simply not possible without it. Maybe these days "it's faster" is the sales pitch, I don't know, but when it was novel, it was impressive because it enabled you to make pictures that only illustrators could have theretofore produced, but with a level of fidelity indistinguishable from a photograph. Quality was the promise.
do anti ai posters actually think everyone vibecoding is doing blind oneshot ultracode prompting of every single game and that if it isn't some neon gradient rounded corner three.js z-fighting dogshit slop then it's handcrafted
>>749213960Idgaf if it's coded with AI because most don't have time to learn that shit.
>>749221180Why would I? Im not interested in making games.I'm asking a question that you're dodging
>>749214817>used some sort of spellchecker that uses AIPeople wouldn't be able to tell.
>>749220970Or you won't, since there's literally nothing anyone can do about it.>REEEEEEE STEAM THEY USED AI CANCEL THEM>no we didn't and you can't prove otherwiseAnd that's where it ends.
>>749213960disliking AI in unamerican.
>>749214094SPBP /thread
>>749216059Says the jobless finnish neet who spends 10 hours a day screeching about AI
>>749214091fpbp and as always /v/ proving they're zoomer codelets
if you want to bitch about AI code stop using windows
>>749221298>most dont have time for that shitNo time to learn? nigga most of these NEETs would have two degrees already if they started the learning process early and didn't look for an easy route
>>749214162What's easy to take can be easily taken away.
>>749221221I don't need to lie about it, since it's impossible for that to happen, at least for me. I'm not allowing AI go unattended with no supervision, since I know what I'm doing. That's what nocoders do.>>749221261>You'll generate more value with less labor. That's the promise. Better quality? Who cares. That's ancillary.You can literally use local models for your own hobbyist use. No outside value would be made by that.You don't need to use corporation slogans.
>>749221368disliking AI is anti-human
>>749221336Valve checks though, you can google "How does Valve make sure that I didn't use generative AI" and there's your response
>>749219007those who are better off are more hesitant to support something that has the potential to change the status quo, because they have more to lose.
>>749221530the final faustian bargain
>>749214728Iz cus AI iz tekin dey jerbs.
>google something>I accidentally kept the AI-mode on>now I need to flag my game as using AI on Steam or some tranny is going to have a meltdown
>>749221510>did you use AI in your code?>no, I'm a nocoder>so you haven't done any coding yourself?>no
>>749221685your greentext makes no sense.
>>749220375Notice how there's no response
>>749220375resident evil 9
>>749217365>>749217457Please explain why the non-elites gets all kinds of other medicine and treatments to keep them alive longer then. Surely it would be best to all let them die with your logic no?>you're a jeet!Nah. But with the obsession you have with troons and now also jeets I wouldn't be surprised you wanted to be one kek.
>>749221746That's you having a conversation with Valve about your game having been coded by AI
>>749220375AI Limit
These threads are excellent sanjay quarantine threads, please keep making more of them
Oh yeah remember that Anthropic trying to get an IPO which is why you see so many AI topicsbut why is it that all of the "Look at this AI no comp mash up of different games" just died?
>>749213960If it works without bugs? I don't give a fuck.
No I'm not trans or gay
>>749221838I already said I know how to code and that I'm not letting AI do everything, since that's retarded. I don't know how is that so difficult for you to understand.it would be more like this>did you use AI in your code?>yes.>so you haven't done any coding yourself?>I did.You can use AI AND code yourself.
Post some webms or at least images of your games so we can tell if there's any future in this
>>749216554To be fair, mindless dickriding was already associated with bots even before the current AI rise. 5-star reviews in products and such.
>>749213960I won't even consider buying a game now unless AI was used and it endangers some they/them's job.
>>749219007>>people living in wealthier economies view AI less positively>top two are china and saudi arabialmao
I'd say vibe coding is fine, but then some absolute retards proceed make the code and art and music and everything else 100% AI.
>>749222064>you're using spellcheck? post a draft of your novel so we can tell if there's any future in this
Are we allowed to use game engines anymore or is that off the table as well?
>>749214094Based.
>>749222265>asking to see what kind of games people are making is bad somehowI have seen zero examples.
i don't want to pay for ai art but i fond ai code tolerable, as long as it's tested and double checked by somebody who actually understands programming (almost never)i think there's nothing wrong ethically with ai coding per se, but the kind of people that would use ai and the kind of people who will sloppily push out untested commits on github have a lot of overlap.
>>749222231vibe coding 100% makes dogshit games though, nobody making an actual product is doing that.
>>749222345that tech is too advanced, classic jeet shilling.
>>749222345Sorry, but someone on the dev team googled a recipe for paella and the AI gave them a result and they didn't say "free Palestine" fast enough so no game engines for you.
>>749214564Do movie directors not make movies? A prompt is a direction. A human makes the direction, and therefore the end result is made by them.
>>749214094pretty much this>b-but it just translations!!I don't belive you. For reference, see the new ubislop moba March of Giants (or somethinglike this): they state that they used AI for "some translations" only but their promo gifs at the same steam page are clearly slopped as fuck. The pool with a turd in it automatically becomes a shit pool. Not that I expect for Indians to care
>>749222408That's propably why there's zero good vibecoded games on steam
>>749222528No, it is not the same. Director control quality and everything at the stage. You prompting the bobot to "make me good" and then decide that you are fine with the result. If you don't see the difference and not just shilling, try to make something yourself in your life just once
>>749222574Ubisoft made something... bad??? That would happen with or without ai. That's not the ai's fault. That's ubisoft
>>749222528Movie directors don't make movies alone. You still have the effort of actors, set designers, effect artists, etc. And these people do matter. You can break a movie just by having bad acting in it.
>>749213960One could argue it won't be optimized, stable or free of bugs or potential exploits the malicious variety. But then you look at the actual turboslop that get released nowadays, and the difference is so marginal as to not even be noticeable.They say limitation breeds creativity and progress..but when it's the human mind that is limited, all it breeds is contempt and ridicule; fucking retards.
>>749222701>. Director control quality and everything at the stage.So does a prompter
>>749222528Directors only tell what actors do. Cinematographers are in charge of camerawork and technique. Composers do the music. Then there's the script writers, script supervisors, key grips, set designers, producers, executive producers, line producers, etc.tldr directors dont make the whole movie, that's false equivalency
>>749222704>I can't readno wonder you like slop so much
>>749222720>You still have the effort of actors, set designers, effect artists, etc.Ai agents fill those roles
I used copilot to generate some new GameShark codes for Crazy Taxi. It's got a 20% success rate, but it's still pretty cool.
>>749222818Link to imdb please for a movie like that
>>749222782>Cinematographers are in charge of camerawork and technique. Composers do the music. Then there's the script writers, script supervisors, key grips, set designers, producers, executive producers, line producers, etc.None of these people are credited when a new movie is made by a famous director. It's the director that matters
>>749222408>>749222575There are no good vibe coded games because the "good" ones you cannot easily tell if it was actually vibe coded or not.
>>749222814You're ignoring my point thoughbeit. If something is ai slop, it's the guy using the ai that sucks. There are plenty of high quality LLMs out there, but the sloppers don't put in the effort, so it ends up looking bad
>>749222865Yes, people are uneducated. They have no idea of the work of people like Roger Deakins and contribute his work to directors. Good thing at least that they have their own oscar award
>>749222865Yeah and that’s an industry problem. Still, good directors tend to credit their collaborators rather than pretend it was all them.
>>749213960Yesthis isn't some annoyance we can accept compromise on, this is an existential threat to our hobby and our societyI do like some of the ai covers though, but being ai is sort of the whole point of those, they aren't meant to be a serious replacement for real music
>>749222871Sounds like cope. Shouldn't you claim that Bg3 or Alien Isolation are vibecoded with no proof?
>>749222865>None of these people are credited when a new movie is made by a famous director. It's the director that mattersThere's such a thing as end movie credits where they show you names of everyone who worked on a movie. >BUT LE MARKETING SAYS IT'S DIRECTED BY MEH FAVORITE DIRECTORYeah, but this is marketing. There's a difference between selling someone and actually effort put into it>>749222979>There are plenty of high quality LLMs out there, but the sloppers don't put in the effort, so it ends up looking badIf you look hard enough, you will find virgin prostitutes too. But these things don't go hand in hand most of the time.
>>749223007AI is a tool and an evolutionary product. It threatens no one except gatekeeping mediocre artists butthurt that they have viable competition.
Still waiting for examples of anon's vibecoded games but still nothing to show for
>>749214162People who already know how to code are using AI to handle the tedious entry-level tasks, which is what Indians are apparently mostly doing. Of course, the work still has to be audited by someone competent, but that's going to be the case with H1-Bs anyway.
>>749213960No because its hypocrisy. Generative content without human input has been used since the 80s. It just wasn't called AI. This is lefty nonsense.
>>749223191I’d show mine, but it’s no where close to being done, so there’s nothing too impressive to show yet.
>>749222871have you ever used any of these tools yourself? because if you had I'm pretty sure you would know that vibe coding a game is going produce crap.>>749222390go back and look at any game that used a word processor to detect spelling errors or something like that. that's essentially what you're sperging out over.
>>749223273two more weeks?
>>749222265>you're using spellcheck? Let me see the draft of your novel so I can see if there are any spelling errors>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT
>>749213960I barely care about video games, yet I'm browsing this shithole for the lulz
>>749223273I dont mind whether it's impressive or not since it's unfinished, I am interested in seeing what can be done
>>749222230>china>wealthylol
>>749222865>people aren't credited (false) ergo it's the director that made the movieAre you retarded?
>>749214094Same. I don’t know why it doesn’t have a filter yet. You think that’d be one of the first things they’d implement.
>>749214094Why do you need a disclaimer? I thought you could always tell?
>>749223330That would be a proper example if it was like>anon asked an AI to write novel>another anon asks if he can go through an AI checker>NOOOO YOU CANT DO THATMind you there's already somewhat high profile cases of "writers" being caught
>>749214162Because jeets will blindly submit AI slop on without knowing anything about testing or basic QA. Proper coders who use AI to streamline what they would have done manually anyway and have the smarts to test it properly.
I have so much more respect for actual programmers who got their kinda shit game to steam store
>>749217447And now you're deflecting
>>749219007>wealthier economies>australiaNigger do you have any idea how shit this chart isIt's viewed negatively in those countries because those countries are flooded with the most parasitic mentally damaged liberal cunts and faggots that ever existed who tip the scales with their overwhelmingly vocal bullshit.
>>749217570And while you're filtering trolls on tech forums desperately trying to find an answer, the dude next to you got his answer immediately with a chatgpt prompt.
>>749223592So what you’re saying is that the problem is bad QA rather than bad coding. You’re blaming the tool rather than the retards using it.
>>749223714Australia is not a nation of leftists, it's a nation of right leaning apoliticals voting for leftists because voting is mandatory and they don't actually understand how to vote for what few values they have
>>749217570based
>>749223662>This guy copied code from stackoverflow manually like a REAL programmer and it took 5 times as long, not like these fakers using AI...It's like you niggers just want people to have to do shit inconveniently for no reason at all.
>>749223434keep living in your westoid cope dreamland
>>749217570>he reads reddit just to spite a robot that posts the same reddit comment but with an AI personalityYou're a dummy.
>>749223858Or maybe he learned by trial and error and taught himself. I'm from a culture who values that kind of thing
>>749218045It gives power back to thr nerds who make games for gamers instead of relying on bloated AAA budgets with half of it going to DEI and "consultants". Will there be more slop to sift through? Yes, but the games with great/unique ideas baked in (ideas from a human brain) will rise to the top alongside those AAA titles.
Games haven't been made without AI for about 6 years now, and now the AI is actually good enough to do customer facing tasks. AAA, AA, indie, all of it. By this time next year AI will be the most important thing in every studio, as opposed to being the most important thing in most studios. Shit is what it is, man. Depending on your tastes there's at least 20 to 30 years of video games that you can draw on, so if you don't like it, just pirate old shit.
>>749223932Looking forward to that day, might taken along while since people dont actually vibecode games.
>>749220542If it's shit, it won't be paid for no matter how much it cost or how much ESG funds it received to prop up DEI consultants. If it's good, the market will reward it.
>>749223848>it's a nation of right leaning apoliticalsYou are retarded and should stop talking about things you know nothing about. Australia is run by the american equivilant of the left. source? I fucking live here.Besides the point was that Australia is NOT a wealthy country if our economy is anything to go by.
>>749214331Imagine being anti-consumer as a fucking consumer. Hope those boots taste good at least.
>>749223858>muh convenience
>>749214331>responsible for 4.3% of America's GDP growth and that benefits me how? everything is more expensive, jobs are being replaced, and all this GDP is going straight into tech billionaires' pockets. It is a big industry, but simultaneously a parasite.
>>749223861*taps the sign*
>>749223383why don't you use it yourself, anon?You DID try something and then actually based a judgement from your own experience instead of mindlessly hating it, right?
>>749223937You'll be a millionaire saar or hired by some huge company
>>749217570die boomer faggot
>anti-AI: troons, artist and leftist>pro-AI: nonwhites and the rightThis confuses me, AI is a tool that must be learned and master, not a replacement worker.
>>749223929>im from a culture from before extremely new technology Ok then, change with the times. People used to constantly accuse the Catholic Church of being backwards yet the Vatican is fully engaging with AI.
>>749214094based, triggered some jamboys with this post
>>749224082I'm just a gamer who wants to see what people are capable of. If you think that asking out of curiosity what kind of stuff anons are creating is "hating" , I dont know what to say
>>749223256>Generative content without human input has been used since the 80sA discussion could be made for the fact that AI output isn't deterministic while that other "generative content" you said is entirely deterministic, if you mean things like "generating code templates" or things like that.But I guess not even half of the anons ITT knows what "deterministic" means.
>>749218706>I'm halfway through the thread and stopping because I'm bored.You can use AI to save time on that.
>>749223984I live here tooand sure economy is in the toilet but we still aren't at the level of those european shitholes above us in the image
>>749213960Yes
>>749224126>AI is a tool that must be learned and master, not a replacement worker.somehow 99% of ai slop producers never follow this and in fact do the opposite.
>>749213960I don't care if AI is used.As long as the game is good, I'm happy.When AI art is used, I don't like if the art looks like that generic anime slop you get from Grok or other online services.Local models have more unique look.Also if it's clear that output haven't been manually curated, I tend to lose interest in game.You can't just press generate and call it a day.AI is like a hand tool to be used, not machine that does the work by itself.
>>749223929>>749224004You're retards who have never made a game before. At most you've done a "my first game!" from a youtube video. AI usage for code being bad is an arbitrary line, basically none of you faggots got mad about using gamemaker, unity, unreal or godot before, but if you're going to apply the same principles here you should sperg out about people using game engines. Hell why even stop there? Create a new language/engine/compiler for every game. Otherwise it's too convenient.
>>749224173Considering how far he is from the gate and how his sword hits the top of the gate, the scale and distance is off. Also saar, the line "build it wider" is incorrect as the correct term would be "build it higher". Also the purple mannoroth looks copypasted into this picture
>>749224173Where's his massive horse cock leaking thick gooey ball snot?
>>749224379Whatever makes you think you're a programmer and helps give you purpose, dude
>>749213960>Do you guys care about AI code in videogames?Not as much as I care about AI-generated assets, but I don't want to slide down the slippery slope
>>749224004Nigga I can build games while literally jogging if I so please with AI. Upload, type a few words like “add latest module”. It’s possible.How does spending more hours per day at a pc coding help avoid obesity?>>749224387>nitpickingYou can do the exact same thing with classic cartoons but the point is the gag, man. >wtf that item morphed when Bugs Bunny is about to use it!
>>749214091>everybody is as lazy as I amdelusional
>>749224504I'm not nitpicking, I am giving feedback
When you see a studio doing non code things with AI, like promos or placeholder content, you can rest assured they are maxing out AI usage to code
>>749224458Why would I think I'm a programmer if I'm using AI for code in a video game engine?
>>749218405>You just pirate everything anyway.It must be nice to live in a delusion where everybody is always doing things that invalidate their arguments
>>749214162>jeets were only employed because they could write barely functioning code for cheap>AI writes better code for even cheaper>somehow jeets benefit from thisYou are seriously fucking dumb
>>749224580I think if they are doing that, using AI for code is the least of their problems. I suspect the game will be absolute dogshit at that point since 0 effort has been put into it.
>>749213960depends>AI codingdon't care as long as it works. If the code is shit (it is) then obviously no buy. But eventually it'll be good and I won't care>AI debugging and decompingI do not give a SINGLE shit about this, but a lot of people for some reason do>AI visualsinstant no buy, it looks like shit
>>749219071You're hallucinating things you have no evidence of but wish were true because you're desperate to normalize AI use
>>749213960>you can't use AI to code in a game where you'd write the code, you'll like replace yourself as the developer!What level of delusion is this? Do people realize that most people don't have money to pay extra people? Do people realize that most indie game developers effectively work for free and never make back any money?
>>749213960yes
>>749214296to be fair that's really fucking gaybut he's also gay so idk, maybe just fuck and get it over with already
>>749224504>No don't point out flaws in my image! The same thing happens in non-AI works anyways! The point is the gag, man! Just consume and don't care about the whole of the work!The standards of prompters is something else. It's funny how they say it's all about the skill of the user for the tool, but they don't realize they have no skills because they are forced to rely on the tool.
>>749219136>How DARE you make decisions about games you want to play? You NEED to buy my lazy AI genned gaaaame plleeaaaaaaase
>>749213960If I see AI art (including AI music) I click ignore. If they used AI for code or translation or something like that, I don't care.
>>749220684I have a 5090 and have more than 2000w of solar panels. I'm effectively off grid.
>>749224038>and that benefits me how?do you have a retirement account at all?If you do, it benefits you long term. But you're mostly right, all the economic growth in the world doesn't mean shit if all the profits go to the richfags and not the average people
Still no examples of anyone's games in motion, I'm starting to think that there isn't any
>>749224710Probably. The problem is that it isn't limited to no name scammy indie devs, full multi million dollar studios are doing it now. Jagex for example, AI is used for their promos and collabs and then they walk it back with an "oopsie." Exanima as an example of a super micro dev. On the other end of the spectrum is Activision, CD Projekt Red, Squeenix, Ubisoft. It's unavoidable.
>>749221142>NobodyFaggotYou are just guessing
>>749224868>please link your game so I can charge back after leaving a negative review
Yeah theyre zased as f->>749213960Ok nvm they're not
>>749213960Yes. Unfollow, ignore or leave a thumbs down. What the point of paying something for their work of art when they made zero work on it themselves. I hear it saves them time, but then I want to see those savings passed onto me and then you have a million sloppos costing a dollar each nobody is going to buy because the market is saturated. I will buy pay devs that dont use AI and ignore others long as I can, if we reach singularity and everyone uses it then Ill just make my own.
>>749221190>In theory, if you were to lie about using AI in your game and make sure the AI assets don’t look too obvious, no one would be any the wiser."In theory" is doing a lot of work here
I understand the impact of the incredible convenience that AI coding can bring. And I also understand that the line is arbitrary. However, that goes both ways, and so it becomes an example of the sorites paradox.If you keep delegating away human input in the name of convenience, eventually you must concede that you're not the creator, and thus would have no rights to the credit or potential profits that this game would produce
>>749213960Lol these stupid mother fuckers use AI without even realizing it. And the moment they got told it's "okay" to use they will immediately change their stance on it (because that's the politically correct opinion to have and I wanna fit in!!)
>>749224909It is avoidable, though. If someone releases a 0 effort game, you don't have to play it. It's not like there's a shortage of games unless you're on console.
>>749221530And yet most of the pro-AI comments I see here are extremely anti-human.
>>749214094based and same
Yeah, I do. I don't want to support these silicon valley niggers even more than I am forced to at in my daily life.Video games are 100% unnecessary and optional artistic products. I can choose to put up whatever arbitrary standards I want. I lose nothing by not buying them.If you use AI to make a game, fine, do whatever you want. I just won't care about it, and you don't get to complain about that.
>>749223150>gatekeeping mediocre artistsPlease explain how anybody is being "gatekept".
I used chatgpt to plan my project and do documentation for the game during pre-production and prototyping. Saved me dozens of hours. Anti-AI idiots can keep seething and malding.
>>749216882For sure, and its just a race toward the graph/bottom. Because if you arent using it your competition is surely using it. I just my generation wouldnt have to be the one to see the downfall of humanity due to capitalism.
>>749224927>WAHHH someone might be mean to my shit so I'm NEVER sharing it!You lack of confidence in the game speaks volumes.
>>749214343This happened to where I work as well. The first one we got rid of were Rajesh et al. We have people from Slovakia or Slovenia I don't know which, a few from the Netherlands and the datacenters in Frankfurt, that's it. If anything, AI has been jeet exodus. Of course there's a lot of jeet AI users, because there's a billion jeet online, but IT has always been jeet territory and is currently being genocided, because the majority of them is getting replaced and outside work they can't afford it.I also think the "ai code is unreadable" meme is something propagated by techlets who never read production code. It's always been shit because people just stop caring after a while. It's true that Astra writes ugly ass code you wouldn't want to merge, but it's not undeadable by any means and Opus now genuinely writes better looking code than most humans.Also, AI code is very easily auditable. It looks like they make more mistakes than humans but their mistakes are very concentrated around a few ai-typical issues while human mistakes are spread around everything. For example, I've never read an ai code without swallowed exceptions, but precisely that's why it's very easy to fix, you know what to look for.I kind of understand the hate against ai because people who think it's like some omnipotent Lain shit that oneshots anything without a mistake are retarded and suffering from ai psychosis but calling ai written code bad or anything jeet-like is just pure delusion at this point.
>>749225102>and you don't get to complain about thatThey will anyway, and very loudly kek>>749225125>I used chatgpt to plan my project and do documentation for the game during pre-production and prototyping.Absolutely nobody cares about this.
>>749225147No, this thread just confirms that the right choice is to never disclose.
i don't care. i wasn't going to pay for it in the first place. i'm ahead of the curve.
>>749225025Yes, avoidable if you avoid every AAA studio and most of the others, and assuming the devs are 100% transparent about how a thing gets made and you thoroughly inspect every part of a game including code. Or just buy a Switch.
>>749224785It’s using my design you ignoramus.Haters online always love to skip to the part where they dominate you. I like AI because you can have full conversations.>>749224868So you can scream about a game being developed for one week being shit?
>>749225185They should if they care about people using it for code. It's the same shit.
>>749225002AI is terribly bad at making any good decisions, it can only act on good prompts. This is unlikely to change.
>>749224504>Nigga I can build games while literally jogging if I so please with AIyou are not building anything
>>749213960no and being anti-ai just harms the small developers.the big devs will use just as much ai but not disclose it.
>>749225325>you are not building anythingThat's because Claude is doing it for me :)
>This game is using Speedtree, I'm NEVER buying this slop!
>>749225247>It’s using my design you ignoramus.Oh did you draw it out and have the AI reference it?
>>749225195>>749225247So your games are dogshit and will continue to be dogshit after they are "done developing". But sure keep championing AI as a tool but refusing to show the actual work it produces.
>>749225002That’s the communist labor theory of value you’re speaking of.I prefer making games no one else can make so people pay for experiencing my unique creations.
>>749225262>They should if they care about people using it for code. It's the same shit.I think code is a gray area, but that's part of the game itself. Planning and documentation isn't.
>Guys you don't understand, we can output garbage FASTERWow
>>749225468its funny to think you're just going to keep screaming louder and louder while the technology keeps improving and progressively more people use it.
>>749213960I think AI is overhated.AI art looks like ass and AI code is shit. I'm less likely to give games a shot if any of those are in it, but I think ai hatred is too much.
>>749225491>I prefer making games no one else can make so people pay for experiencing my unique creations.Two delusions in one sentence.>communismlol
I bet most of you queers were basedjacking about Expedition 33 even though it used Blueprints.
>>749225468What a dumbass take. Explain without fuming why AI can't make a game that's fun? What magic does AI possess that makes something automatically bad that's not completely imagined in your head? I'm not advocating for some "make GTA 2 in NES style make no mistakes" style AI games, I'm saying a real game that is iterated on and tested by the developer with the AI programming it.
>>749213960While making a game was difficult, people could justify them not pursuing their dream by calling it too hard or too time-consuming. Now that they all could just do it, they still don't, because the possibility of their dreams leading to nowhere and their ideas being bad terrifies them. Of course they're extremely bothered when they see people who have the courage to at least try instead of looking for excuses.
>>749225538>AI code is shitThis is pure delulu atp
>>749225535I'm sure it will. Maybe it'll eventually get good enough for it to do enough work for you to actually make something competent without your unskilled ass ruining it.
>>749214091I do, and it's my job.AI is great for boilerplate code, but anything important needs to be entrusted to a human mind.turdies will disagree, because they haven't ever invented anything in their lives, only stolen from others.
>>749225695You've got time to learn a trade anon.
>>749213960What about letting AI generate custom short games that you play for a few minutes and then move on, like tiktok but for games? Google just announced ithttps://labs.google/playground
>>749215736The only intelligence response I see. A rarity in these discussions.
>>749224951>if we reach singularity and everyone uses it then Ill just make my own.Why wait? Everyone already uses it for coding to varying degrees, so why not just go ahead and making something? You yourself said it takes zero effort, so there's nothing stopping you.
>>749213960>Do you guys care about AI code in videogames?Why would I give a flying fuck about the code of a videogame I'm playing? I care about if the game is good. If it's good, I don't give a shit if it was developed by squashing the skulls of a thousand infants, I'll play it. If it's bad, I don't care if it was painstakingly coded by one individual over the course of 15 years. I'm not playing it.
>>749225719When was the last time you modified binary?
>>749225651>Explain without fuming why AI can't make a game that's fun?It can, but an AI prompter can't because they have no skills or taste, evident by their reliance on AI. Prove me wrong by showing me their work though
>>749225719If you're not code reviewing AI agents you're not much of a programmer and you just enjoy wasting time. Frontier models literally write perfect code that matches your coding style and everything. People who refuse to delegate are dinosaurs.
>>749215736that's called making hay while the sun shines. if you think code/coding will have any value after 2030 you're just deluded.
>>749225641I’m convinced E33 was more AI genned than the devs let on, but are lying about it to avoid stigma. Even the plot feels like ChatGPT came up with the premise and then they just polished and refined said premise.
>>749225814>so why not just go ahead and making somethingYou're not making anything though
>>749225719Good for you but you're retarded if you're not using it to speed up the already solved parts.>>749225695Master the tech and use it to its full potential retard. You're letting normals overtake you with your luddite behavior.
>>749225826>It canThen you already agree and this discussion is over. If it can be done then you already lost the argument, I don't fucking care what assetflip devs that aren't human do with AI, the question is if a real dev can make a real game with AI and the answer is yes, so everything else is just you having an aneurism about a problem that existed since the Unity Asset Store and RPG Maker was created.
>>749225893its just the painting level from dark souls teased out into a full game
>>7492258215 minutes ago?What's your argument here?
>>749225994Just checking if you actually know how to program. You're probably lying of course.
>>749225893>Even the plot feels like ChatGPT came up with the premiseWhat's wrong with that if it's polished, though? Where does "ai assistance" become a problem? Like, if you ask AI to help brainstorm a twist or ask it to help you research on specific elements of the story, is that enough to make your game ai slop?
AI causes wired buttpain in people because it reminds us humans aren't special things, a random number generator really can compete with us. It also causes this weird phenomenon where secular hedonist materialists have to retreat into spirituality to explain why a "human made" thing is better. >But Anon ai looks like shit so does 99.9999 % of the dreck humans "make"
>>749223191>he thinks vibecoding idea guys will ever finish their projectsIdea guys are idea guys for a reason. They could have unlimited resources to pursue their idea and still not finish it.
>>749225247>a terrifying mechanicaThat's it?
>>749225958>aneurism about a problem that existed since the Unity Asset Store and RPG Maker was created.Except I didn't have talentless hacks championing their tool and flooding every facet of the internet with constant bitching about how people don't respect their garbage back then
>>749225887>we will live long enough to see the “learn to code” meme dieCrazy.>>749225975Call me crazy, but I also feel like the 3rd act twist feels like an AI-ism. The whole concept of the story actually being about family trauma feels like a twist an AI would suggest for a story to add depth. Plus, the devs admitted they AT LEAST used AI for placeholders.
>>749225683Hell no. Whenever I've ask AI agents to write me any complex question it has consistently given me erroneous answers.I bet someone who doesn't even know how to code will ask in the most shit prompt way possible to make code and it will give them the worst piece of shit I've ever seen.
>>749225507Why is it a gray area? Should we condemn every game that used stack overflow at some point too? I don't get why that's something accepted and using AI isn't. Makes no sense. Thank god for AI, you don't need to rely on obnoxious autistic faggot losers, who's only source of social clout was reliant on being an asshole online, every single time you have a question about something related to code anymore.
>>749225431Yes.>>749225468It’s a favorite game of gay and trans people to bait out young artists so they can enjoy bullying them and rally their social group to crush their efforts.Now AI can fully assist an artist and so there’s no need to risk toxic people trying to damage your project.Previously you “had” to deal with lgbtq perverts in art careers. Now they can be treated like ghetto folks.>>749225623Says the gay leftist afraid of reading my stories.You don’t even have to read them, you can use an AI to summarize them for the thread if you thought they would be laughable, but you’re afraid they’ll sound cool.
>>749225898Already moving goalposts eh? And even then I am making something, so you've also made a wrong assumption in addition to trying to deflect and move goalposts. Making a game doesn't have to be scary anon.
>>749226157Okay, it still doesn't change the fact that AI due to your own admission can be used to make good games, you're just complaining about people. In this case, I can point at you for being annoying and even worse than AI sloppers, because at least they make something. You're just a crab.
>>749225361will he fuck your wife for you too
>>749226146I guess whatever keeps them preoccupied, maybe this is good for their mental health. Giving the illusion of creating without actually having skills to create
>>749226080It’s not a problem. The point is that the game does feel like AI was involved in its creation, but yet alot of anti-AI people hypocritically praise the game, even though the use of AI in some aspects of the game is a documented fact.
>check out indie project or mod>developer is jerking himself off about how he never uses AI>project has been in development for 6+ years, runs like shit, and isn't even close to doneEasy skip
>>749226215Learning English would make it easier
>>749226215Maybe in 2021 but if this is your honest opinion after using it to code you are actually bad at coding and probably just larping
>>749226037I'm currently editing a bootloader for an embedded board at work, Claude assissted in harnessing the necessary peripherals like RTC and USART needed for the project, the rest I wrote myself.Any other cope you want to tell the class, anon?
>>749226278>because at least they make somethingEvidently not since they won't even show their work in this thread.
I support killing both actual coders and AI coders. Tech bros don't deserve to live.
>>749226410It was already explained why that's stupid. Not only would you actively try to do commercial harm to any actually shipped game but any other games you'd automatically say is shit. Anon, you're upset and irrational and having a woman moment.
>>749226410Nobody here needs to prove anything to your dumb ass. Make your own hand crafted video game and don't use a search engine or anything else that's helpful.
>>749226365How does it feel that I could replace you and I'm a vibecoder? Not to mention my code through Claude is more efficient than you?
>>749213960The way trannies instantly began seething at AI told me everything I needed to know
>>749225239Why the fuck would you need them to be transparent? If AAA devs keep shitting out MVPs (minimum viable products) with AI, then you don't need them to tell you that the game is shit. You can see for yourself without even playing. The vast majority of AAA games look like ass even before AI is added to the mixture, AI will just make it more obvious.
>>749226353I used it last year. I was asked at work to debug a program on Powerbuilder, despite telling them I have never programed on PB before and asked AI for help.Despite me querying I was asking advice for Power Builder specifically, I kept getting results for other languages that weren't compatible with it.It was really frustrating. In my personal life I only use AI for educational purposes. I.e: If I don't understand a concept or how a program should look like, I may ask it to visualize a model for me before drafting a design.
>>749226315These are the people AI truly threatens: hacks with titanic egos who think they’re the next Toby Fox just because they have an ambitious idea. People who have an actually realistic perspective of game development don’t have an issue with AI.
Its pretty funny seeing AI guys getting an ego because AI tricks them into thinking they are actually making their dream game. You just know these dudes generate a dozen random images, ask claude to write hello world, then spend the next couple days daydreaming about how cool the finished project will be. Of course they will never finish their projects but they will try to get their egos stroked by posting random bullshit in threads while feeding into the delusion of their fellow idea guys. None of the projects itt or in other AI game threads will ever be finished.
>>749226568Lmao the last vibecoder was literally hired and booted out of the company in record time (a week or so if I remember correctly) because he didn't know literal SHIT, tho. Also he lied in the resume.You're not replacing anyone if you don't have experience.
>>749226505>It'd do commercial harm if I showed off my game!See >>749216937
>>749226582Because someone who is against AI will avoid an otherwise good looking game if it was made with AI, and you can't do that if you can't inspect everything that could possibly be made with AI, which is everything at this point, so you need them to be abundantly transparent. Tho if devs were honest about spicy auto complete and we had a certain standard for what constitutes AI usage, no game would be free from AI and therefore the anti AI consumer would/should simply pick a different hobby.
>>749226704This is all you get faggot.
>>749226505>>749226541I'm the original Anon who wanted to see what anons can create because I've yet to see any vidya in these threads. I was hoping that I could say "huh, that looks actually kinda impressive" but all you guys do is attack and make excuses, thus making me believe there's nothing actually good there. We can drop this subject because we will never see anything
>>749226682Jesus christ, is this vibecoding or vibegooning
>>749226763So why even bother disclosing if something uses AI or not? The moral panic around AI at the moment means that devs are actually better off lying about using it. If the game is good, no one would even question it.
>>749226843Let me state it again, you're so in your feelings that no one can post anything without you saying its shit. You won't concede and you act like this our first day on 4chan.
Remember that ai is great and the future of gaming, but we don't want to tell you that we used ai because it might hurt sales
>>749226967>you're so in your feelingsAgain, I am indifferent. You're deciding beforehand that I will hate something that people have created
>>749226832Wow thanks for the completely meaningless statistics. I'm so glad for you that your family of 5 was happy with your first project!
>>749226843>why aren't you posting the game your studio is working on to 4chan?gee I wonder why
>>749227018I am deeply passionate about this video game, that's why I *didn't* learn coding, music composition, music sequencing, how to write, how to draw, and instead I pointed Claude at it and threw the results onto a Github I'm going to abandon immediately after creation
>>749226763>Tho if devs were honest about spicy auto complete and we had a certain standard for what constitutes AI usage, no game would be free from AINo need to. Windows, Linux and MacOS are all developed with AI. IDEs and game development tools all have AI integration even if it's just for autocomplete, and/or are outright made with AI. At some point you needed AI or something made with AI to develop your game unless you haven't updated your tools in ages. Your playstation/switch/whatever firmware probably has AI code too. You can't escape it.
>>749224850>do you have a retirement account at all?>If you do, it benefits you long term.not when the market inevitably corrects because all of this "growth" is unsustainable.
I think a lot of young people (born 2010+) really don't appreciate just how crap most art really is. If you only came online in the 20teens then you benefitted massively from everyone who came before you and who already curated decades of media for you to consume, and from the current content creators who benefitted maybe from known successful templates, you didn't have to actually live in those previous decades and withstand the sheer mountains of absolute dogshit to get to the gems. So everything looks like gems, hit after hit, and then AI comes out and looks like the same dogshit we've always been wading through, but you've never seen dogshit so it feels like this is a new low bar when really, it's par for the course.
>>749226843I'm not making anything so you're not talking to me but>why don't you post the thing you're working on that is also connected to your life and makes you identifiable on 4chan besides the eternal stigma that once you were ragebaited into posting it herewould be a fucking retarded question even if you weren't a disingenuous fag.
>>749227074>studioThere's multiple people working on your peoject, that's cool I guess. Are you worried that ubisoft or EA will steal your design?
>>749227217/adgd/ does it all the time.
>>749227251there is no circumstance where it isn't unbearably retarded to do anything more than mention you're part of a project just to prove worth to some faggot on a mongolian throat-singing imageboard
>>749226965That is the point. AI is already everywhere, top to bottom. If Rockstar gave an honest BTS of GTA6 they would spend a not insignificant amount of time explaining their AI workflows for coding and art, for example. But devs will never do this, at least not now.
>>749227217Fine, never show or release anything.
>>749226365not seeing any binary work there
>>749227217It's stupid anyways because they already conceded that AI can make a good game with human guidance.>>749227280Selection bias means that anyone who is actually a professional is unlikely to post anything and those who do are likely underaged or stupid.
>>749226965What is wrong with AI bros that think nobody can tell unless they mark it as such? Everybody clocked that Kingdom Hearts anthology having an AI job done on its textures the instant it was uploaded to Steam.
>>749227280And they never made anything remarkable.
>>749227280Agdg is also full of sick fucks who post child porn and diaper fetishes on main, they want to be exposed
>>749227213Tbh, most AI art pieces look like those art pieces you’d find on the front page of Deviantart, because that’s what they were trained on. Those art pieces were considered amongst the gold standard pre-AI, but now that AI has become a thing, they’re now the bare minimum. If anything, AI has raised standards, not lowered them.
>>749227280/adgd/ was never about making games, those anons don't want to finish their game, they're roleplaying as game developers. And if they meant to post their work here anyway it's likely siloed from their irl or regular online life, which isn't the case for most people who never planned to advertise on 4chan
>>749227474>Those art pieces were considered amongst the gold standardAccording to fucking whoFront-page dA and Artstation were already well-known for gaming the algorithm with specific artstyles and bot activity
>>749213960AI code sucks ass but I don't care if an indie dev uses Ai assets during the concept phase or as placeholders, big developers should be held to a higher standard though
>>749213960Nah I don't care. Human made games can be and are just as janky and ugly as some AI stuff.
>all these vibeclankers mad as fuck because anons dont believe that they have actually done anything
>>749227474>Deviantart was the gold standard for art This cannot be a real post
>>749227420AI textures get caught because there's zero attention to detail. You literally can't tell if a repeating ground texture is made by AI if there's no ChatGPT piss filter.
>>749227474>deviantart>gold standardlol, lmao
>>749227420Only because the art had an obvious error that Square missed. Had they fixed it, no one would have noticed.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3948460/_/I found a good AI game.
>>749226410I’m showing all the ways AI assists me so other artists can emulate. That way the “It’s artists vs AI!” Bullshit narrative can be put to an end. That’s my sole goal.Showing my actual full projects is for people of good will I can see.
>>749227592>Only because the art had an obvious error that Square missed. Had they fixed it,there is no "fixing" an entire game full of muddy textures changed from the EGS version's better AI upscales for no reason whatsoever
>>749220629expedition 33
>>749226917Local models can do both.Simultaneously if you want.
>>749227642>I need yes men
>>749213960Yes.More likely to play it if AI is used.
>>749227570they can't get competent artists to "hide" details because once you get caught with ai your career is over
Reminder that your AI agents or AI girlfriends are not real people and if you're "fucking" them, you are beyond salvation
>>749227570>You literally can't tell if a repeating ground texture is made by AISome of you guys seem to think everyone falls for the con the same way you did. Autists threw a fit about Breath of the Wild's ground textures looking bad at higher fidelities than the 720p/1080p it was designed for, and there's people out there thinking nobody will notice if they just slip a little AI rohypnol into the drink because it's on the floor.
>>749227648A shitty AI upscale run by a sweat shop outsourced team in Pakistan is so wildly in the weeds in this discussion. You do realize that AI upscales aren't LLMs right? It's funny too given the current state of generative models.
>>749220629Kingdom Come Deliverance II
>duuuuuude everyone has a claude subscription and if you DON'T you're a tranny
>>749227761yes anon you've successfully figured out the conversation is about steam kingdom hearts having a bad AI generated texture job and the previous upscaled version from the epic release was superior. nobody was talking about LLMs before you in this
>>749225958>the question is if a real dev can make a real game with AI and the answer is yesYes but they aren't. A real carpenter could make a real house out of toothpicks and glue given world enough and time but he's not doing that because that isn't how houses actually get made. I don't care about hypothetical abstractions I care about what good devs are doing and good devs aren't using this shit except when forced to by bean counters who insist it be done for productivity reasons.>b-but I'm a real programmer and I use it for [thing I would have just copy-pasted from Stackoverflow 2 years ago]I don't care about you being saved 45 seconds of googling by the deficit-tripling data center brain that's being fed to you on imaginary subsidy dollars, I care about people who are using this thing as a substitute for knowing how to write a program.
>>749227742This is CGI in movies all over again, you so called experts miss 90% of the CGI and think you're smart when you catch the work of the $2/hr outsource farm in Pakistan.
>>749227676No nigga family! Friends! Coworkers! Neighbors! Random citizens of my city!Not some online poster who may be some lgbtq person on disability whose entire life is manufacturing social disinformation for other posters he doesn’t like. Random people online are invited after my actual real life community. That’s my Catholic principle.
>>749227793>use a translator>this means that the whole game was made with AI
>>749227761>>749227839oh also this is part of the fucking problem BY DESIGN OF CALLING IT AI WHEN IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT that five hundred billion separate technologies are all called the same thing just because sam altman thinks he can't win that court case for raping his sister unless he scams everyone on the planet
>>749227696Using AI is common in most industries nowadays. They just don’t openly talk about it it because they want to avoid the virtue signallers screeching over it.
>>749227839You know anon, the real problem is the sweat shop in this equation. Almost all the AI upscale shit is because they hired people who don't give a fuck. Won't even check for spelling errors, just throw the shit in and bill full hours at $2/hr.
>>749227906Yeah dude it's at peak saturation but also they can't say they're using it because of those dang dirty witch hunting Luddites. Some day, some day soon, they'll finally give me a free moral/ethical pass for trying to abdicate my work to the Mediocrity Engine.
>>749227862>This is CGI in movies all over againThis. Give it 10 years and no one will even blink at AI being used in things.
>>749227897They call it ML and you people just call it AI.
>>749227881>my actual real-life communityYou're up for a really rude awakening one day if your product ever gets complete
>>749227894They used it in asset pipelines too, and pulled the "only for early development!" bullshit line, which means they took the wonky AI assets and edited/curated them enough to stop the bitching. Which means the game is probably 100% AI coded.
>>749228003no sam altman does not call it ML
>>749227862>It's everywhere and everyone is using it all the time and you won't be able to tell anyway so stop complaining!
>>749213960>people perform witch hunts on one another while the datacenters around them continue to be builtit's like the masses deserve everything that's happening to them. fight amongst yourselves like a bunch of apes
>>749227978its not that they can't say they're using it, its that there's no point in saying they're using it. its like proudly stating that you're breathing, except there's a cabal of retards running around screaming at people for saying they're breathing.
>>749228140Those are the people who post about "their vibecoded games" but cant post anything because they're just shills
>>749227847>>749227847>I care about people who are using this thing as a substitute for knowing how to write a programWhy?
>>749227340It's an embedded project. I'm not posting a video of the system working and potentially DDOSing myself.
>>749228140they're spending billions on brute-force to stay ahead of local generation.
>>749228140I get it anon, you're having an existential crisis on the internet which is something that was made before you were born so you pick and choose which things to cry about.
>>749228242>i-i'm totally d-doing it but i-i can't sh-show you
>>749227847Real constructors would absolutely use anything that cuts time lol. Your glue analogy was retarded. AI would be more like a machine that prints beams of steel rapidly. And anyone would absolutely use that
>>749228223Disingenuously b8ing people to post their work so you can crab them is about 50 years older than you are, you think anyone is going to fall for it?
>>749228242Sloppers are so out of touch that they have problems believing that there are non-NEETs here. Surprised they haven't talked about student loans yet
>>749228209Yeah people that rely on AI do need breathing assistance after shirking that duty to the AI too
>>749228342The amount of delusions of grandeur is astonishing if you believe that your generated slop is anything to grab
>>749228386that sounded a lot better in your head
Your kids are being raised on AI slop btw. Taught by it, entertained by it, outsourcing their thoughts to it. You know we knew that social media was toxic even when it was new? But the social media companies just ignored the push back and now they run the world, and they didn't need to do anything.
>>749228239Because the degradation of programming knowledge has led to the inexcusable bloat and performance rot of modern software and I hate it. I hate that enough memory to run a supercomputer in 1999 can't run the Steam UI because modern devs can only do UX in fucking Chromium. I hate that you need a graphics card that would have been indistinguishable from magic in 2006 to run games at a quarter of the framerate that look worse in 2026. I hate that studio credits have ballooned from a dozen people to 1200 but we still get more crashes, more day 1 mandatory patches to enable basic functionality, and more catastrophic data loss while actual game functionality shrinks generation by generation into a paste of lowest common denominator slop.I care because making good video games is an art form, above and beyond just producing models or textures or music, and it's becoming a lost art form as an army of shit-reeking brown opportunists use the slopbot to churn out endless approximations of competence. I don't know about the rest of you dumbass frogs but I feel the fucking pot getting warmer and my ass wants out now before I see the boil start.
>>749227847Every job values saving time because saved time means either being done early or doing more work and getting paid more. When you pay someone to build a house, you don't tend to pay by the hour but for the finished house.So then we just go back to AI, can AI write good code? The answer is yes. Then the question: can a prompt for code be faster than writing by hand? Yes. Then we're simply back to the assertion: a real dev can make a real game with AI and the answer is yes.
>>749228446I can't generate a response that follows community guidelines.
>>749228527the idea that anti-ai screeching is also bots is amusing
>>749228503Absolutely hilarious because AI is anti-bloat, LLMs can write a completely zero-dependency replacement for Wordpress that runs 100x faster. LLM agents also love optimizing things, they'll spend hours writing tests and scenarios to make pathfinding 1% faster.
lots of "e = mc2 + AI" in this thread
>>749228431>GrabCrab. Yes, there's a term for it that is also probably 50 years older than you are. Waking up to find that you're just a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy sucks, but you'll get over it when you find something else to hate.
>>749228584at least someone gets it. anything with an objectively provable fail state is 100% going to be ai-only if it isn't already.
>>749228584>AI is anti-bloatPlease be baitPlease be baitPlease be baitI just watched the Analogue Pocket's SNES core dev tell off an AI contributor for a pull request that would have destroyed the entire project from almost all of its code being utterly irrelevant to the function it was trying to performPlease be baitPlease be bait
Sure! Let me try again, this time being slightly less confrontational:You Anons need to realize that AI is not to be feared. Instead, instead it should be celebrated. Imagine the possibilities that people with lesser backgrounds can achieve and the milestones that we can reach... But that will only happen when we all embrace chance. So stop hating on your "vibecoding" peers and encourage them!
>>749228669Agents do whatever you ask it to do, that includes having the Agents.md: "you write the minimal amount of code required to achieve the task, use a blind second code reviewer that scrutinizes every line of code added for bloat". You wouldn't understand.
AI is currently useful in many shallow aspects of workflow and for generating ideas through dialogue.its getting better with novel environments, where no instructions are provided.
the more you rely on it, the funnier it will be when they pull the plug
>>749228596You're not disputing the fact that you have delusions of grandeur and if left unchecked, you'll fall deeper into a proper psychosis. I've seen it happen.
Why are there do-nothings with a do-everything-for-me machine in my fucking hobby?
>>749227640>We are currently spending over $1,000 per day on AI services for the demolol, might run the game all day just to increase their cost
>>749228908its already open source anon
>bump limitSomeone should create a new thread so you can shill for another 6 hours
>>749228982The average ChatGPT, Grok and Claude slopper is not smart enough to set up a local model and even less likely to have the PC specs to use oneAnd when the public models are down they can't rush to it to ask it how to set up a local one
>>749229041Okay, and how does this personally affect me? I don't know why you care so much about what other people do. I barely care that you're this retarded and you're right in front of me.
>>749228912There's nothing to dispute because you don't understand my posts and are simply hallucinating something to reply to
>>749227640how do i convince her that stroking my penis is a necessary step?
>>749225837>>749225907At best I will concede that reviewing AI agents can be useful work, but if I believe it will take more time to fix code than write it myself then it is a waste of time.I do expect it to outpace me someday but that sun is yet to rise.
>>749229041>the averageanon just because jeets are using chatgtp a lot doesn't mean its only jeets.
>>749229168are we talking real time or manhours?
>>749229168You don't have to fix frontier agent code, it's strictly questions usability and ways to improve the final product. If you're nitpicking Fable 5.1's code you're spinning your wheels to feel productive.
>>749214296If you can't support your argument without resorting to childish name calling then you deserve a ban. Conceal your powerlevel instead of acting like the retards you rage against.
>>749229041lots of people seething at using llm's for searching the web is more like it
>>749229196Yeah this doesn't mean glorious hwite Aryan men are smart enough to set up a local model either if they're using a public AI model in the first place. Sit down
>>749226256No moved goalposts, just making an observation.You are not making anything. The AI is making something.
>>749229448Okay, and how does this personally affect me? I don't know why you care so much about what other people do. I barely care that you're this retarded and you're right in front of me.
>>749229443"What if Google talked to me like a weevily underling" is definitely a reason to seethe at the technology
>>749226253>Says the gay leftistNope.>afraid of reading my storiesLmao, why would I be afraid of it?No idea where they are btw.
>>749229458>You are not making anything. The AI is making something.Okay, and? You didn't make the computer you're using right now.
>>749229263I always bill man-hours for the worst case scenario.We're talking real hours spent writing and debugging.
>>749223824Part of being good at any profession is knowing what to look for and how to test/fix it. Most of these jeets are literal code monkies doing the tedious part of the job that would cost too much for someone salaried at $100k to do.
>>749226616>In my personal life I only use AI for educational purposesThis is an extremely good use for it. I won't use it to generate slop because I have self respect, but it's great for learning.
>>749223434>look they earn less than us so they're not wealthy!!>no i won't look at how much cheaper everything is there and how much buying power they havelol
>>749229562i can make stuff using the computer, the AI is doing it for me if i tell the AI to do itthis is why the "AI is a tool" argument is only used by retards, even 3D printing is more involved because you need to make your own model for it to print off if you have an idea that hasn't already been done before
>>749229168You're literally not faster than frontier models unless you're writing so little code that it takes longer for the agent to review the project than it takes you to make a change. At which time I question why you have a job if you're changing a line of text here and there.
>>749227474>If anything, AI has raised standards, not lowered them.This may be the most delusional pro-AI post I have seen yet
>>749229448Really leaning into the whole "mentally disabled people hate ai" thing bro
>>749229661The American blind-spot concerning China should be studied in labs, they're the world's biggest assembly line and everybody assumes they earn pennies and are retarded like workers for a Rustler jeans factory in Bangladesh (owned and managed by Americans with a vested interest in keeping the locals poor and afraid)
>>749229458>You are not making anything. The AI is making something.>you're not making the character controller you're just adjusting values in the game enginehow far do you want to go with this logic? I thought we were past this shit when jonathan blows cocks became irrelevant about a decade plus ago
>>749227642In every post I've seen from you it's not assisting you, it's just fellating you.
>>749229665No you didn't make anything, the software on the computer made it and the computer itself was made by someone else. If someone didn't make the program you're using, you wouldn't have made anything, so no, you didn't make anything. Personally I think this is a retarded argument but you're the one making it so I'm holding you to it.
>>749229595>doesn't know the difference between manhours and real hours>>749229749
>>749229749>race shitpost>get race shitpost back>ur retarted!Lol, and may I say lmao
>>749229840indian isn't a race
>>749229518you can make it not do that if you're really bothered by it you boomer
>>749229814>No you didn't make anything, the software on the computer made it No anon Fruity Loops is not litcherly the same thing as AI generation. You saw an actual tool, a device used to enable creation that doesn't work without motion and skill on the user's part, and got confused trying to parallel it to an engine that only accepts verbal input and does everything else
>>749229774>how far do you want to go with this logic?That's not the same thread of logic at all.In one example you are making a game. In the other example, the AI is making the game.
>>749229972Jesus Christ you had a stroke. This is why you shouldn't have self-contradicting assertions.
Im not a le artist or someone likely to lose their job to ai.
>>749230035Back in the closet, cuck.
>>749229984The game engine is making the game for you in the first example.
>>749230103A noise filter in Photoshop is no different than using a generation from an LLM. Both are equally "you didn't make it". Again, you're having a stroke while you write because you decided to die on this hill. It's meaningless. It's retarded. There's 100 different reasons why this line of reasoning is absolutely retarded. If you were a Amish it would be at least somewhat coherent but when you post it on 4chan, it just makes you insane.
>>749230295That's quite enough, anon, you're getting wildly off the point you thought you were making.
>>749230295anon sounds perfectly sane to me, maybe it is you who is mad?
>>749230381I think I'm well on point given you're no longer rebutting anything.
>>749229661>hehe our baby food has metal shavings and sand in it but it's cheaper so we're more wealthy with our $130 budgetimplessive
>>749230164>you didn't make it from first principles so it doesn't countWhen I'm in a disingenuous argument competition and my opponent uses LLMs and image generation
>>749230447you don't want to have this "weird stuff in our food" argument with anyone, tyrone
>>749230447>hehe our baby food has metal shavings and sand in itIs this supposed to be China or America, I remember a big baby formula recall recently along these lines because our gubberment is obsessed with removing regulations for big businesses
>>749229753>, they're the world's biggest assembly line and everybody assumes they earn pennies and are retarded like workers for a Rustler jeans factory in Bangladeshbecause it's objectively true>Americans with a vested interest in keeping the locals poor and afraidlol
>>749230452>it's not like that because it just isn't okayIt's okay anon, you can just say you hate AI for arbitrary selfish reasons and your point will make more sense. You don't do this because you know being a Luddite is retarded so you have to use circular logic instead.
>>749230164Olympic level reaching, anon.
>>749230509>>749230527>whataboutism deflectionreminder that imported products are a billion dollar market in china because nothing they produce is safe for consumption
>>749229302I didn't know about frontier agents, it's definitely not directly applicable for my usual work (R&D of local hardware specific programming ala elec engy development), perhaps I am the dinosaur, time to study at the university of YouTube.
>>749229831>he tells the customer exactly how long it took to do the job.You clearly don't own a business.
>>749230605>whataboutism>deflection>for America having an equally bad track record on infant mortality through negligence>the country that tried to import a metric fuckton of poisoned beef from Argentina because The Art Of The Deal
>>749230605>nothing they make is safe for consumption>also the biggest producer by far, favored by most countries in the worldat least try to make sense
>>749230612Frontier agents can even use CAD now doing traces. The meta is becoming a code manager and having agents do the grunt work then shitpost on 4chan while they work.
>>749225719>AI is great for boilerplate codeErm, chuddie? ur not writing that by hand? Don't you know I'm going to downdoot your game on Steam?
>>749230674>for America having an equally bad track recordwhy are you lying so much, chinkshill? point me to a case of hundreds of thousands of children suffering acute damage because of faulty food.>>749230679>also the biggest producer by fardo you eat chinese plastic bags and pencil sharpeners?
>>749230718Hmmm, as long as they can recursively test designs against finite element analysis until my criteria is met, then that would work for me.Thanks anon.
>>749230760AI paints a fascinating picture of people who depend on acceptance and good reception getting rejection and bad reception and still trying to paint themselves as the power-holders in the exchange because they assumed the tool would be a free meal ticket to infinite money
>>749230829Agents will do anything you direct them to do, then it's just looking over what they did. They're very good at autistically following instructions.
>>749224850Money loses worth the more time passes,your retirement funds will amount to shit
>>749230797>why are you lying so much, chinkshill? point me to a case of hundreds of thousands of children suffering acute damage because of faulty food.Dude if I wanted to pursue a nothing argument with constantly shifting goalposts that everybody forgets about in five minutes I'd use the actual /pol/ and not this diet /pol/ shit you're doing. Or I'd go on Twitter.
>>749224743The fact that you actually believe it when these studios say they don't use AI is so funny to me. It's proof that lying works.
>>749230887>Dude if I wanted to pursue a nothing argumenok so you can't actually argue and just claimed that US is as bad as china baselessly to cope with them being dirt poor still.
>>749230842This is true of the Anti-AI people too though. Literally everyone who hates AI is mad that [fill in the blank skill they had] didn't survive AI destroying their moat.>Artists mad AI can slop together art>Programmers mad AI can slop together code>Musicians mad AI can slop together musicTurns out the "free meal ticket to infinite money" argument runs both ways. Whoops!
>>749230948Diet /pol/ strikes again. The smooth flavor of seething out YOU'RE BROWN and keeping up a fucking stupid argument without reading a reply and none of the calories
>>749230760I just won't tell you that I used AI, hehe. ;)
>>749230978>Literally everyone who hates AI is mad that [fill in the blank skill they had] didn't survive AI destroying their moat.>Turns out the "free meal ticket to infinite money" argument runs both ways. Whoops!Do you guys think solely in terms of Patreon tip-boxes
>>749230978>Literally everyone who hates AI is mad that [fill in the blank skill they had] didn't survive AI destroying their moat.that's not true at all, most people don't code or do art yet still avoid ai like plague
>>749230948there we go, the cherrypicked imagesthe ace card of every retarded debater on 4chansurprised it took you so long to post one
>>749231000>make baseless brown posts>lose argument>cry about /pol/ out of nowherei'm seeing a pattern here
Everyone seems to be under the illusion that they can leave welfare behind with AI
>>749231137>/pol/ out of nowhere>two replies inHorrible forced meme
