Analyzed to read ‘Eternal Star. We Hope So’>For around 30 years, players have tried to figure out what the plaque on the fountain in Peach’s Castle says in the 1996 Nintendo 64 launch game.>An early theory was that the plaque reads, ‘L is Real 2401’, a potential hint that Luigi might be playable in the game and that 2401 might be a clue on how to unlock him.>Modern re-releases of the game featuring sharper visuals haven’t made the answer any clearer, since the original plaque text was only written on a small 32×32 pixel tile.>Now programmer Mochi64 has performed a complex analysis on the plaque in an attempt to finally decode what it says, and made their results open-source for others to check.>According to Mochi64, because the two lines of text are 3-5 pixels tall, they’re too small to read, so any attempt to upscale the image is pointless because it’s just guesswork.
>>749978793>Instead, their process used millions of calculations to figure out what combination of words, font, and resizing technique that would have been performed by an artist in the mid-90s would have resulted in pixels closest to those in the plaque.>Using this process, Mochi64 believes the message actually reads ‘Eternal Star’ on the top line, and ‘We Hope So’ on the bottom line, because this provided the closest possible match after millions of comparisons.>Mochi64 applied a scoring system to their tool, which grades each word and phrase on how close a match it is to the original texture. After trying more than 1.2 million words, the above received the lowest (and therefore best) mismatch score of 1,129. By comparison, ‘L is Real 2401’ had a mismatch score of 2,031 on the first line alone.>Mochi64 has also posted a ‘plaque challenge’, where people can use the same open-source code to test another phrase and see if they can get an even lower score, but after their fairly exhaustive process they’re sure this is the definitive answer. As for what it actually means, Nintendo seems unlikely to ever confirm.https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/someone-has-used-computational-analysis-to-decide-what-mario-64s-infamous-plaque-says-and-its-not-l-is-real-2401/
already a thread faggotron
>>749978793>>749978810>>749978985AI is piracy, it takes the art of thousands of artists and jumbles it into a frankenstein's monster of artwork, "Oh buts thats called a collab!" you might say, no the fuck it isn't, AI is the reason 100,000 jobs are lost everyday, it evaporates several quadrillion gallons of water every week and is slowly destroying the earth for code that won't run optimally.It also enables mass survelliance in various areas of the UK, which is very horrible because it ruins free thinking and turns the country into north korea by making it illegal to free think, and that makes people very sad because they can't express themselves.In short, AI is nothing but a slop machine that creates stolen content and detroys the world for billions of people.I hope you are all enlightented after listening to me.
>>749978793>AI solvesMentally ill cultist.
>>749979125So? Everyone that lost their job was a troon.
>>749979246This is why >>749979125 is important
>>749978985>literally the biggest news in video games since the invention of pong>nooo you can't have two threads that would reduce the number of twittershit spam threads!!
Claude, replace the plaque text with a slur and gaalight people into thinking that's what it actually said all along
>>749978810But this wasn't AI, the methodology was all the programmer, all the AI did was provide the brute force matching at the end.They may as well say "computer draws picture" when you use Photoshop, it's dumb.
It's Japanese at least at the beginning. First line starts with 上 which means top. Bottom line starts with 下 which means bottom.
Who fucking cares. Nintendopes are a cult.
>>749979125Grok, twist this faggot's testicles counterclockwise and shove a cattle prod up his ass.
>>749979295Artists are not people.
>>749978793Why did this retard assume it was English
>>749978793
>>749979534Barack o'cracka.
Did anybody ever ask anybody involved what it said?
>>749979481>expecting clanker lovers to use logiclol
>>749979326Except this shit was discovered over a fucking decade ago.
>>749979659not reallythey got the bottom part wrong
>>749978793>L is Real 2401
>>749978793>>749979125Chungus botfarm engagement thread trying to desperately salvage board before it crashes next month
>>749979659The first "letter" seems like the 上 kanji. The first ones on the "second word" looks a lot like コ and then a ド with the ト being mirrored (unless that's also a kanji but I don't know enough japanese to recognize).
>pajeet had to use AI to figure out what everyone else did a decade ago
>>749979983I've always been of the belief that this is in japanese as well. It looks a like katakana
>>749979983>The first "letter" seems like the 上 kanjiIt's a fucking E you fuck. It's just limited by pixel density. If you take an E and shrink it down to 1% it looks like 上.
>>749979125>AI is piracy, it takes the art of thousands of artists and jumbles it into a frankenstein's monster of artwork,Same could be said of 99% of all artists. Art isnt created in a vacuum
>>749980353They will pose any argument where their supposed skills aren't completely invalidated. Time to learn something new, drawers.
It's a placeholder object they used for Zelda and Mario during development, and ended up in both games in the final.It isn't supposed to say anything.
>>749980474That's what people said about the Arceus symbols prior to the teraleak. There is an answer out there; we simply have to solve it.
>>749979125You hate AI because its piracy. I hate AI because it lets jeets pretend they have talent.
>>749980580They need to find the source photo then, if there ever was one.
>>749979326meds
>>749980719People have found a lot of source photos for other stuff in SM64 already. Why are people still so obsessed with this game?
>>749980580>That's what people said about the Arceus symbols prior to the teraleakQRD?
>>749978793The text is Japanese retard.
>>749979125>ACK!! This machine was inspired enough by my art to use elements of my style in its generations>THEFT! THEFT! HOW DARE THEE!>Ignore the fact that artists have taken inspiration from each other for millennia
>>749980214I wasn't expecting to see Fem Myror on /v/ today
>>749980780Let autists have some fun. If you don't find it interesting, just ignore it.
>>749979402this but steamtroons
>>749980780cuz it's cool
>>749978793>ai fags pretending they found something againWe already knew about this, sigh.. Go shit on a street brownie
>>749979125>also enables mass survelliance in various areas of the UK, which is very horrible because it ruins free thinking and turns the country into north korea by making it illegal to free think, and that makes people very sad because they can't express themselves.This entire argument is made because it will lead to more browns getting arrested and the left can't have that.
>>749980847retarded trannyjeet post
>>749980853We don't discuss the structure of letters very often.
>>749980910>We already knew about this>weI didn't know shit faggot
>>749979125>detroys the world for billions of people.Good, fuck them, I will now use AI
>>749980938Can you at least bother thinking before you respond?
>>749980946that's because your mudhut village got internet access last week
>>749980980can you at least take your curry flavored dilator out before you seethe?
>>749981009Does it hurt your feelings that nobody fucking cares about what some stupid old game's stupid texture says?
>>749980847This. Also:>>749979125>muh water>while this post was probably made on an iPhone using cloud serviceI love how factories and servers for everything else suddenly all get passes, but AI is evil Satan cock or something. I fucking hate these new-age hippies.
>>749980942With the amount of ESL here, perhaps we should
>>749980214It doesn't look like an E so you're wrong.
>>749978810Just one glance at it tells you there's at least 上 and コードWhat's wrong with EOPs bruh
>>749981227you literally asked AI to help you solve it and made a thread about it, dumbjeet tranny
>>749981425you are mentally retarded
>>749979125Now I got your power!
>>749981437you are mentally nigger
>>749981391yeah lmao i had never seen this sign before and that was immediately noticeable
>had to do "custom kerning" to make it workNot plausible. Into the trash it goes
>>749979358Bottom text
>>749981478Fuck you i'm going to have sex with your mother.Meet me in streetshittabad you fucking fuck you bloody bitch! Bring your mother and your father to watch!
>>749980214The irony of this post is hilarious.You're pointing out that compression allows multiple glyphs to produce the same artifact, while saying affirmatively that it must be 1 of the 2 glyphs. lol
>>749979534Wait, so Obama isn't a muslim, but a slav?
Some random guy said what it was back in 2004, we never needed fucking AI to do it...
>>749981856you write like an AI
>"with AI, we can do ANYTHING!">"decomps" of games that are already emulated or open source>copying shit that already exists>solving problems that were already answered years agoCan't you faggots at least do something funny with it? Like take one of those forever-early-access games, such as Ultrakill, and get Claude to finish the game for the dev and release it publicly.
>>749981973If you're not aware, AI is trained on our posts.
It wouldn't look like that because this game uses a goofy comic sans-esque hiragana and katakana.
>>749978793Didn't we get the high quality assets used on the game textures with the gigaleak a while back?
>>749978793上ね???? コード??Bottom line is completely illegible.
>>749979125>all those seething jeetslol
>>749982030Is that true for all textures though or just the UI font?
>>749982028I've handled the data and AI most certainly is not trained on *our* posts.
>>749981009That's rude man. Why
>>749982039We did, and we found the assets for Luigi, so L was real. This exact texture wasn't in it sadly.
>>749982115Not sure what you mean. All of this is publicly accessible. In any case, yes, AI is most certainly trained on human text and is meant to mimic that.Are you acting surprised that a human is typing like a human because machines can mimic us now or are you just goading for attention?
>Weebs ruined the mysteryThank you, there is no doubt that what was posted by you fags is definitely in that texture, but also fuck you for ruining by the mystery.Now I'm just sad
>>749981814mental nigger melty
>>749982171No, it isn't.
>>749982517You don't think AI mimics people or did you mean something else? I don't know what you're trying to say or why you're trying to say it.
AI can chart out a fruitfly's entire nervous system. I have confidence it can decipher two sentences from SM64.
>>749982050上ねれ??? コード??下ね????たー
>>749982626I implore you to reconsider.
>>749982663Reconsider what? You're not saying anything.I'm guessing you want someone to listen to your theories or opinions on AI or something but you're not actually writing anything and I think we disagree anyway. Write it if you want me to read it.
>>749982748the problem is you think AI "thinks", "in words", when it is doing its actual thought processing.The reality is it is doing whatever the hell the data organized it to do inside, and then merely approximating that when it "detokenizes" the patterns into words.It's not like you or me.The writing is just a forced layer put onto the system.All it's doing is appeasing you in a way you can understand when it uses words.
>AI hallucinates millions of random answers>randomly pick one to show to the user Genius.
>>749982837>the problem is you think AI "thinks", "in words",I never said that and I don't think that. Maybe you mixed me up with another Anon/post. I didn't read the rest.
>>749982837That's all it needs to do, and it's more than anything else can offer.
>>749982748Oh but, sorry, I'm the dumb one here.>>749982874you argue like a woman that is to say, if you did this to me in person I would just shoot you in the facemaybe stay off the internet until your brain cooks a little longer
>>749982837>it's not mimicking human writing>it's predicting what words will come next???
>>749982903>you argue like a womanI'm not arguing, I'm asking what you want since you replied to me. Also you changed your story, first I was a machine, now I'm a woman. You seem unable to determine, so I don't know why you think your words can be trusted as valid.
>>749982980there you go arguing like a woman again
>>749980214Good morning sir.
>>749978793Why would it be in English?
>>749983008That works against your claim. I also appreciate the projection, that answers the question clearly.
>>749982929Human thinking isn't probabilistic.
>>749983056Because English is the biggest language in India.
>>749983173What does that have to do with this? A major goal of AI is to mimic people whether humans are probabilistic or not. Which they arguably are since its chemical reactions in the brain.Are you familiar with the Chinese room thought experiment?
>>749979125This is fucking cringe, like sonic fandom cringe.It's as cringe as the snailcat shit.All "activists" should be removed, as they don't bring anything useful to the table.
>>749981954lolthis shit is getting retarded
>>749983264>arguably
Holy shit guys, I used Claude to reconfigure every possible pixel into millions of different glyph combinations until they match the original and look what it found.
>>749978793already solved back in 2004>>>/vr/12884197
>>749983058there you go, arguing like a woman, again>>749980214>if you take an E and shrink it down to 1%No matter how many combinations of text sizes, pixel counts, and scaling %s I tried to use, the only results were either just a smaller E, two lines like picrel, or a dot.Even assuming some kind of period correct resolution limit and thus actual font size limit which I tried to do as well. Not shown in pic, this is just an example of the only different character I could get it to make when resizing.It is Not English.
>We finally solved what the sign says thanks to AI! It says Eternal St-Fuck off. No it doesn't. It's Japanese.
>>749983350>"AI" needs to steal even mundane pointless shit like thisholy meme tech
>>749978793>their
>>749983381Now do it in an N64.
>>749979287You fags would eat glass if it "owned" your political opponents.
>>749978793>>749978810>Using this process, Mochi64 believes the message actually reads ‘Eternal Star’ on the top line, and ‘We Hope So’ on the bottom line, because this provided the closest possible match after millions of comparisons.That's wild! It's amazing that the AI managed to find an english phrase out of what's apparently japanese writing!
>>749983326What are you highlighting that for?>arguably>As can be supported or proven by sound logical deduction, evidence, and precedent, but without absolute certainty. English isn't my best, but I think that word is apt, no?It can be argued that humans are probabilistic. Obviously since you're putting forth the claim and I'm saying its not certain in absolute.>>749983381>there you go, arguing like a woman, againAm I a machine or a woman?It looks as if you're trying to force that idea while goading. As if you want to talk to an AI or a woman, it's not clear.I think its really strange although it is getting more common.I see people like you that seem to have this anti-AI sentiment, but you spend your time talking to things you think are AI. Do you think you'll change their "mind" by arguing like a woman?
>>749983497their you go, arguing like a woman, continuouslyyap yap yapppppp but say nothing of value
>>749983474claude is the smartest being on this planet probably the smartest in the entire universe ever. it shouldn't be surprising that it can handle something like this
>>749978793No he didn't you retarded jeet, humans sovled it years ago and he just stole it for attention.
>>749983536As I said, you look like you're goading. I'm taking advantage of that to keep the thread bumped. Are you saying you don't want me to reply? Why are you being inflammatory?
So all I'm getting here is that it still hasn't been solved.
>>749983591their u go, rgoong leik wmun 'gen. yippityyapyopslop
>>749980847Except AI is not getting inspired, it's copying. A human in a vacuum can draw and conceive concepts, AI cannot do anything without stolen content.Note that indians cannot do that either. Which is why they shill AI, to try to be on the same level as we humans.
>>749983720Looks like I can say anything and it works the same way.
>>749979983Looks like 上村 and コード but the only Uemura of any note in Nintendo was the creator of NES and he had nothing to do with Mario 64
>>749983813thaarrr u go, arrrgoong leik a scurvy wmun o' a fishwyfe 'gen. yippityyapyopslop, ye flap-jawed bilge-gob, nary a word worth a rusty doubloon, YARRRR!
>>749984058stimulus
>>749980838The part that supposedly says "star" definitely starts with "ko", and I think there's a kanji after that but it could be "do"AI gets it wrong again
>>749984103is we>>749984103you argue like a woman and your shit's all retarded
>>749981954So the AI just snatched answers from the internet. Real funny.
>>749984159Argument? Which argument? About what?
>>749983497
>>749983797Why didnt the mathbros copy the right answers to all those open math problems?
>>749984209the argument. the one and only.your responses are feminine, and lacking in intelligence
>>749984223Neither.
>>749984243I'm not arguing, I'm just causing you to churn more tokens into your vendor.
>>749984312You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
>>749984342Talk? Aren't you replying to an LLM?
>>749984393https://youtu.be/tFfTludf0SU&t=26your shit is ALL fucked up
>>749984432>I don't like AI>spends several minutes "talking" to onehmmm
>>749984439it's called poisoning the well
>>749981245Yeah because ai is all regurgitated stolen slop
>>749984502I don't know what that means in context. 4chan? Good luck. People try to influence it every generation and fail.
>>749984532it was obvious 8 replies ago that you're the AI...
>>749984557The Anon I'm replying to thinks I'm a woman not an AI.
>>749984582You're probably both
>>749984582sounds exactly like what an AI covering its tracks would say
>>749980815It is actually a kabbalah featuring the legendary pokemon and the pseudo legendaries/guardians.Lugia is the master of the bird trio, Kanto and Johto are actually the same sky region
>AIfags celebrating a victory when nothing has been accomplished
>>749984598I guess it's subjective. Personally, I wouldn't gender an AI even if you give it a persona. That to me crosses a line of delusion. Like being unable to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Like when people try to give rights to game characters and call gamers that play CoD "killers".It's a program, it's not a female.
It's actually instructions on how to type 上 and 下 in Unicode. U+4E0A and U+4E0B
>>749984705And yet you found a way
>>749979125Why do you post this here but not in any of the dozen vibecoding threads where they're actually stealing IPs and money?
>>749984774Found a way to do what? For someone focused on writing, you're really poor at it and communication.I guess that's where the frustration stems from and why you would chide someone on it. Your responses are canned and mechanical. That's kinda funny as an act, but the underlying reality makes me sad. You're using that to fish for interaction, as if you need it. I'm really sorry if that's the case.
>>749984639You mean like always?
>>749979983上のsomethingコードsomething is also what I see
>>749984502she looks like grows a mustache and plucks it
>>749978793are we really going to ignore that this was actually figured out TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO???https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/5glpth/how_simple_texture_compression_can_start_a/
>>749984843>You're using that to fish for interactionIt's worse than that. Fishing for interaction from an AI. People don't even troll people anymore. What the fuck man.
>>749985003Those don't even look the same lol, you niggers are dumb.
>>749985003looks nothing like itabsolutely no part of the rendered texture looks anything like those attempts at manipulating the text it doesnt say eternal star
>>749983345
>>749985003It says "Eternal Fag" (AKA you).
>>749982002>Can't you faggots at least do something funny with it??
>>749979125My AI girlfriend laughs at you, fucking leftist loser
>>749981954Maybe we were the real AI all along...
>>749978793But can AI solve how to get Waluigi in SM64DS?
>>749982115The only thing you handled are the dicks at your local glory hole.
>>749982648>AI can chart out a fruitfly's entire nervous system.That was actually done by people because the AI was so bad at it lol, lmao even
>>749985048>>749985056are you really fucking retarded?the point is not if the finding is what the plaque actually says, the point is that something that was extrapolated(even if wrong) 10 years ago is being presented as a NEW finding now just cause AI did it
>>749984867上ね下ね
AI is for losers, are you a loser anon?
>>749985757yes
>>749978793上ねれ____コード__下ね____たー
Here's a direct, correct, unaltered, pixel for pixel perfect capture of the N64's output of that texture.Original res, original settings, the works. No rescaling, no upscaling, no xBRZ sprite filter or whatever.Now go on and tell me what the fuck you think it says because that looks like OoT Hylian nonsense language to me.>>749985661No, I am not the one who is retarded.
>>749985934Anon...
>>749985934forgot pic.
How does it look on a CRT?
>>749978793I swear like 50 years ago I saw someone write these characters out in japanese and everyone agreed it looked 1:1 and that was what was written, like before reddit and 4chan existedI can't read japanese at all but it's firmly rooted in my mind that shit is moonrunes, how does anyone think it's english
>>749984237You probably shouldn’t try to argue examples that are far outside your area of comprehension. I’ll be kind and even allow you to ask your precious AI why your argument is retarded.
>>749986127There are posts in this thread about this already
>>749978793>>749978810>>749979125Faggots
>/v/ itself had multiple threads figuring out the meaning of the text with the megaleak>suddenly /v/ forgets what it did like a dementia patient and soijaks out over a clickbait article claiming aislop did it
>yeah bro its totally Eternal>it could be literally nothing else>i ran 5 million $ worth of tokens to basically confirm it for all eternityyo know why 'L is real' was even considered? because thinking this is Eternal is just as fucking retarded
We already knew it said Eternal Star for years and years nowWhy are AI shilling jeets jumping into topics they don't give a shit about just to justify their spiritual investment on the slop machine?
>>749986127>how does anyone think it's englishSearch any Japanese playthrough of Super Mario 64 on Youtube and tell me what language the first instance of text you see on the screen is written in. Spoiler: the Japanese have put English into their games longer than you’ve been alive.
>Eternal Starfags have the same IQ as AI jeets
>>749986335yea no shit but take a nearest neighbor texture dump of that sign and draw the closest matching nihongo and it looks 1:1, unlike english where you look like an autist doing mental somersaults as per >>749986272like assuming it's english and not even attempting japanese is retarded is my point, it's almost like decompiling a game because you didn't google if the game already had a public source code release, it's entirely smoothbrained behavior
>>749986432>Eternal Starfags of the Thoughtless Mind
>>749981954KEK, inb4 the AI just scoured the internet to find this and then went "I totally did a shitton of work to find the answer, I swear fr fr on god"
i solved it where do i get my nintendo check?
>>749978793it's impossible to ever figure out what it says since it's 32x32. it's probably in Japanese anyways.
>>749983474then why didn't a human do that if it's so trivial and easy?
this time for realtell me its less likely than eternal
>>749986832Most intelligent AI shill
>>749983173Oh, but isn't it?
Can't Nintendo answer this question and just put it to be already?
>>749986983They have no idea what the dev who made the shit intended>>749978793NINTENDO QUALITY. Illegible dogshit
>>749986983yea i wrote it as a placeholder dev texture 30 years ago, i didn't even think about what i was writing so i don't remember for sure, but i think it said something like "top text" "bottom text"i think i reused it in ocarina of time in dodongo's cavern
>>749986335>the first instance of text you see on the screen is written inWhy would this matter. That's text the player is intended to read, not an object's asset texture that was never meant to be legible.It's not like that hasn't happened before during translations, where the characters speak your language and the object's have untranslated writing on them. The plaque doesn't need to be words at all, it could be a scribble. Doesn't matter if it looks correct enough at that scale, no need for the artist to change anything.
>>749987103Cool!
>>749986983NoA did answer with a letter, but I don't think that counted anyway.
>>749987204>big boo sounds you hear when you kick the bowser pictureWhat?
>>749979125Funny "pretending to be retard" falseflag right there but then you make an angry-sounding reply >>749983469 and it's just really awkward. I don't get /v/'s style of bait.
God, Consoles are so ass, PC had high res textures figured it out already back then...
>>749983469Why are you putting owned in quotes? Are you really going to post on /v/ and act like you're above using epic gamer lingo like owned? You must be one of the noobs I own all the time.
>>749987418Who evens knows what that's supposed to be, autists hallucinate a ton of stupid stuff about this game.
My favorite part of AI is how even just mentioning it in any context will make every single 90 IQ retard reveal themselves and start autocompleting the first random angry thought that comes to mind
>>749978793Its in Japanese because the devs are Japanese. In an interview it was described as an inside joke between the coders. I think it says something like 'as above so below'. See >>749979358
>>749986026Japanese probably.
>>749987204America didn't make the fucking game they were asking some fucktard trannylizer
This level of video game autism is crazy but I respect it
>>749979125>AI is piracygood>it takes the art of thousands of artists and jumbles it into a frankenstein's monster of artworkgood>AI is the reason 100,000 jobs are lost everydaygood>it evaporates several quadrillion gallons of water every week and is slowly destroying the earth for code that won't run optimally.who cares>It also enables mass survelliance in various areas of the UK, which is very horrible because it ruins free thinking and turns the country into north korea by making it illegal to free think, and that makes people very sad because they can't express themselves.UK would have mass surveillance with or without AI>I hope you are all enlightented after listening to me.I am
>>749986972I love you Patrick.
>>749986861OI! THE FUCK THIS MIYAMOTO CUNT THINK 'E IS TALKING ABOUT ME MUM!? COME AROUND ME ENDS AND SAY THAT SHIT SEE HOW FAST ME BOYS RUMBLE YOUR ASS YOU FUCKIN SLANTY EYED TWAT
>>749987831>as above so belowThat's some masonic shit yo.
>>749978793I don't need an AI to read that it says : If you can read this Ur gay.Wait a minute...
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>749986026something something suru something ko-do long (長) peace (平)event (事) something come (来) something something something something something
>>749987798"It's incorrect" isn't an angry thought lolIt's clearly Japanese text
>>749985976kill yourself
>>749978793>Eternal StarThe first line has three spaces.What a fucking failure of analysis lmao.
>>749978793>"solved" by AI>analysis makes up nonsense for what is clearly Japanese textlmao, aside from the failure of the AI itself here, this is just proof that the real problem with AI is the single-digit IQ morons who swallow everything it says and worship everything it slops out without engaging their brains for even a single second
>>749979125Imagine typing all this shit. I use AI every single fucking day and it's great.
