GABEN, DO SOMETHING
>>750059947>NOOOO HIGHER POWER PLEASE DO AWAY WITH THING I DON'T LIKE!! YOU HAVE THE POWER, GET RID OF IT, NOW!!Same type of people who go on about muh free speech and other shit. This is why I'm all for censoring and oppressing most humans, since majority of people don't actually believe in nor want anything accept whatever they like, and whatever benefits them at the moment.
Steam should have a setting you can enable to automatically hide any game that has the AI disclaimer in it, problem solved.
>>750059947>Valve supports "AI" nowMISTER SWEENEY SIR BAN IT FROM YOUR SUPERIOR STORE NOW
>>750059947LOL! I guess i did well when i switched to GOG years ago.
>>750059947>NOOOO please stop technology!!>i want to live in 2016 forever!
Easy fix: Raise the App Fee to $500 to filter out probably 90% of these. Then raise it another $500 to filter out the rest.
>visiting the store at allfucking retards all of you
Just wait until Nintendo announce that they use AI then /v/ will love it
>>750060165funny how many of the same people proudly boast how they're reading a 'banned book' they purchased in a franchise bookstore with attached starbucks
for every 1 person anti-AIthere are 10 people willing to buy>not my problem as long as I get my cut
>>750059947I don't have a problem with AI games. my problem is why we don't have more AI porn games.
>>750059947>another game using that stupid ass NPC asset pack from the store that For the King and a billion other games usefor fucks sakes dude, i'm tired of seeing these retards, EVERY GAME THEY'RE IN STILL RUNS LIKE SHIT BECAUSE MODERN RENDERING
>>750060718Man, i remember that valve wanted to set it at $1k, but choose $100 because it was the same price as the steam greenlight pass or something like that.
>>750060859>for every 1 person anti-AI>there are 10 people willing to buywhy are you afraid of being labeled as ai then?
>>750059947So what? As with anything, if it's good it will outshine bad ones.
>>750059947They're tagged so just hide the tag and hide the few that aren't.>n-nooooo I lack the agency to use the tools i've been given explicitly to do thisFaggot
>>750060976I remember when you would just vote for the ones you'd want to see in the store but streamers and third worlders started abusing the system
>>750059947steam has been filled with slop since greenlight. when was that like 2013?
>>750061000The anti ai people are the ones that like to stalk people irl to murder them
>>750060609Tim is fully embracing Ai, and even bragging that their new and improved store front was entirely vibe coded.
i honestly can understand ai coding, but if you are so cheap, lazy and TASTELESS that you can't even ask somebody with the bare minimum graphic skills to put together a decent thumbnail for you then you do not deserve any kind of respect. it's honestly less than the bare minimum.
>>750061000Because them no one will buy my game you stupid retard.
>>750061202i'm lazy to stalk my exand you believe i'm going to murder anyone when i wanted to kill myself with the lockdowns 6 years ago
>>750061000idgaf about ai-or-not-aithis is too fucking funnywatching you retards shape societywe're all going to die either way
>>750061241>i honestly can understand ai codingI can't. You can use AIslop to proompt some minor generic graphics/textures or whatever, but I'm genuinely so fucking sick and tired of dealing with indie shitters who have no idea how to tweak their games "under the hood" and code them properly so then I play someone's random pixelshit RETROOOOOOO game that makes my PC sound like a jet engine for no god-damn reason then just get ignored and shrugged at when I point that out
>>750061000they will make every excuse to not put AI up on their store page
>>750061202the AI pro people are already using AI to help with their stalking activities
>>750061526Why are you so fucking obsessed with knowing every tool I use to make my game? Do I need to list what mouse, graphics card, and monitor I'm using too? Do I need to credit burger king if I ate it for lunch while coding one day?
>>750060859>for every 1 person anti-AI>there are 10 people willing to buyNow where have I heard "For every one that stops watching we'll get 10 more to replace them" before...
>>750061650>I use ai in my gameis all that's needed, yet for some reason game developers insist that it shouldn't be labeledif they have nothing to fear then the label shouldn't be scary
>>7500606582016 was unironically a better year.
>>750061998every game uses ai now
>>750061296so you admit that you have to lie to people otherwise your tech is useless?are you the same type who wants to eat the bugs?
>>750061526If you use it, luddites will try to destroy your life, that's not really an excuse, we see that happen.But only if you're not a major corporation. When NTE used AI, luddite streamers dropped the game, when Fortnite used it, same exact people didn't give a fuck
>>750062143that makes the solution easy then, label them all by default made with AI and anyone who doesn't use AI can have a special label
>>750062074I miss Obama
>>750060859>for every 1 person anti-AI>there are 10 people willing to buyNot really.
>>750059947MORE
>>750059947riddle me this>if AI is the future and it is inevitable, why is disclosure feared and seen as negligible?
Is it not the right of a potential customer to understand all aspects of what they are buying? Is it also not their right in the free market to also be choosy on where they spend their money?Who the fuck cares if there is an AI tag/filter? A customer should be allowed to choose whether it affects them or not.
>regurgitated slop made by a machine >regurgitated slop made by a person shut the fuck up you are both annoying slop is slop and how its shit out doesnf matter
>>750060859lolFor every game on steam 1/2 of them don't make it over 10 reviews.
>>750062443i want less shit, not more shitmachine-made shit increases the amount by a lot
>>750062327>"developers, who otherwise would have succeeded"You cannot round up journos against a wall enough.
farming sims and souls-likes goodai games bad and derivative
>>750062327> the "AI stigma" is real and severely punishes developers who otherwise would have succeededlol
>>750062372>picWill admit it is kinda funny when you think about it because most artist-fags were also bullied but then became bullies when they got a modicum of social clout, which in turn got these jaded sloppa cunts to use AI out of spite and try to bully everyone else.It's all power dynamics.
>>750059947Nobody is going to buy them, AIjeets are going to have a melty and try to convince you their slop is just as good as the real thing like trannies and life will go on. The great thing about Steam is that you can choose what you buy.
>>750062673>artists-fags were also bullied but then became bullies[citation needed]
>>750060859This is why nobody fucking likes you, cultist.
>>750060658Same but from 2010 - mid 2015 in infinite loop
>>750060859>for every 1 person anti-AI>there are 10 people willing to buy>buyawfully bold of you to think people are going to shell out cash instead of either pirating or just cloning it.
>>750062739Social media art circles talk from one mouth how they have had hard experiences then talk from the other mouth about dramas. Not all of them mind you, but thinking further, this is more of a consequence of social media letting you spew every thought into the void than power dynamics.
>>750061202Is this what's happening on the Ganges lately?
>>750062278>If you use it, luddites will try to destroy your lifeNah, normal people will simply pass your slop by and buy the worthwhile products instead :) The only one destroying your life is you, Rajesh.
>>750059947there's going to be a million AI slop games released on Steam alone each year.how is anyone going to sift through all that or let alone be aware a game even exists?
>>750062143the problem is that there's no differentiationpeople don't want SLOPit's got nothing to do with AIit's got EVERYTHING to do with LOW EFFORTgames with art as shown in the image in OP are LOW EFFORTthey're slop that ANYONE can producethat's not anti-AI, it's anti-low effort and anti-slopwhy am i paying for your slop when i can just produce it myself????
>>750061000Same reason why trannies will do everything in their power to "pass" despite always claiming they are just as good as, or even better than the real thing and only bigots have an issue with them. Because they know that they are just fakers and when people can make an informed choice they won't touch them. They even use the exact same, delusional "they will kill us" rhetoric as an excuse >>750061202
if every game is AI then no game is
>>750063221No actually that means that every game is.
>>750063152what do transsexuals have to do with this? are you ok?
>>750060859>there are 10 people willing to buylollmao
>>750063287Same tactics. Which is extremely ironic because aijeets are trying to force the "if you dislike AI you're a troon" narrative.
>>750062504Both are bad nigger, trend chasing is the death of any medium.
>>750060859Post the blatant ai games you have bought.
>>750060859trvth nvke
epic steam extension
>>750059947>GABEN, DO SOMETHINGthis is what he wants he's an advocate for Sloppa
>>750060859lmaoing at all the luddite trannies in the repliesyou lost trannyi just bought 10 copies of every AI gameand for every one of you, ten more people buy ten more copies
>>750060524Okay, I just won't to fill it out. Let the witch hunts begin. I already use AI to procedurally generate all the game assets in Blender, so you can't tell it from an amateur 3D artist.
>YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT WITH AI!>BUY MY AI GENERATED THING SPECIFICALLY!What causes this level of retardation?
>>750063394What the fuck are you talking about? A developer who has been programming C# for 5 years is treated the same as a nocoder using AI and they are both required to use the same disclaimer. And based on what ethical premise? If I use AI to replace my own work, it's not your fucking business. Where were you when software jobs started outsourcing the past 20 years? Where were you when they starting not only outsourcing, but importing slave labor stateside?
>>750062673are you pretending to be retarded or do you legitimately think twitter drama reflects reality
>>750064048>What causes this level of retardation?It works its the same reason people pay to have a app that can read pdfs(b2b software or adobe is insane). In the future hopefully most people can just make whatever software they want. anyone paying will be seen like someone buying a flash game
>>750061236What ai games are on ebin?
>>750064260Bad premise, because what makes people pay is quality. There are very few flash games that are worth paying for. Even in the era of AI manufactured games, there will always be the top 1% and top 20% that are worth paying for.
>>750063851sent somei want remothered, phsyco dead and anomalith
>>750059947they control the things they see. literally just close your eyes ''''''''gamers'''''''''' LEMAO
>>750059947I don't have problems against AI usage, my opposing of AI on steam is because I think less of the people that can't use it beyond "make me a game"As in, I hate the people.Spiritually South Asian, if not outright South Asian behavior.
>>750064374But if they can generate their own quality, why would they ever pay someone else (Outside of their agents)?
>>750062327lmaoIt's a stigma even among the chinese who use it out the ass.They advertise their webnovels promising no AI writing so the readers won't be assaulted with AI slop terms and walls of text. (and it works because you see those promises, and positive reviews confirming it, on the more popular novels)
>>750064374>top 1%maybe>top 20%no i dont think so there will be so much you will be able to find a mostly the same for cheaper or free. If anyone can make it people will have to switch to attention based over just money to even get started.>qualityConvenience and brand are the bigger ones especially multiplayer.
>>750064484>They advertise their webnovels promising no AI writing so the readers won't be assaulted with AI slop terms and walls of text. (and it works because you see those promises, and positive reviews confirming it, on the more popular novels)lol lmao they say this and you will get slopped in like chapter 10. They stop editing the slop after x chapters. Webnovels are trash and AI can make 4-5/10 novels just in base even with slop.
i just kinda avoid AI slop games even if they don't disclose it by imagining my middle school friend who said he wanted to be a game developer and his first "real game" was going to be a MMO where you could do ANYTHING and think would he like this game? if yes, it's a slop gameit works surprisingly well, the imaginary friend in my head
>>750062710They say it themselves in their Claude generals that learning stuff is for trannies since you can just prompt up your dream game, so it works both way. There's no reason to buy their trash. It's nice to see them get exposed.
>>750064618You won't get slopped in chapter 10 because that's still a free chapter.If there's slop it'll be in chapter 195 or thereabouts and the chinese reviews will start going into the deep negatives because they just paid for a scam and suddenly the faggot is out of the qidian rankings and earning 1/10th of what he could be earning. (and quite possibly getting taken off qidian for having pissed off the wrong people who accuse him of plagiarism, however false or true)Why retards like you insist on talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about is beyond me.
I just play games that seem fun, if i dont have fun i dont play it.>A whole team spent their time effort and heart into this gameIs it fun?>The biggest companies made this game for 100's of millionsIs it fun?>AI slopped this in two weeksIs it fun?
Love how AI has changed the world. It used to be that artists laughed at morons who couldn't draw well. Now even the shittiest piece of scribble is special because it's not AI. Indies have ripped each other off and made shitty clones of each other's games for decades, but now any retard can get free publicity by saying they are afraid AI will copy their low-effort pile of junk.AI is making us celebrate mediocrity, but not in the way everyone expected.
>>750064821>You won't get slopped in chapter 10 because that's still a free chaptermy bad left out a zero there.>qidanYou know what maybe fair i only read on the english sites cause i dont know chinese. Go to any of them and read the new trending
>>7500606581996 actually but I’d even take 2006 if necessary.
>>750064857not really, in the end people will actually care about quality regardless of AI.
>>750064937fair enough I don't read western trash, too much lgbtshit for my taste
>>750064857>>750065003and if someone passionate enough to make a game but not talented can't make something good, and indian with claude sure as hell can't be any better.
>>750064857>is special because it's not AI.Im going to ai generate art then spend five minutes making mistakes on it. Fucking up lines erasing some shading and adding it back etc. Then claim its real art work
>>750063886You say that in every thread and then post that ugly ass city scape and apartment building everytime
>>750060859None of these obviously AI games will never get a single player
>>750064467The average person is a lazy retard, even if there was a magic blue genie granting wishes, most people are too lazy to even speak. Any proper game currently is 1000s of turns with AI and that's unlikely to change because you can't program taste.
>>750065145>4chan is just one personYou're truly mind diseased.
We cried about this last year and nothing happened As long as AI pay the 100 bucks steam doesn't care they win because Ai jeets will give them free money
>>750066048>Any proper game currently is 1000s of turns with AI and that's unlikely to change because you can't program taste.Iteration is hard why cant it just do the thing?>1000'sIts hundreds for simple games think flash tier or any idle/incremental game except the art is a little more work.
>>750063886Honestly, based.
>>750065003Nobody making a game purely with ai is quality. You can't even post one.
>>750066227Well even if you describe Call of Duty at a high level there's thousands of ways to interpret game mechanics, even how a gun shoots and recoils is a matter of opinion. Even for a simple game the shit AI puts out is so sterile and not human-centric.
>>750065003Those people are slowly being silenced. Anyone who says "yeah it's not ai but it still looks like garbage, do better" are being yelled at by children who cannot handle criticism
>>750062331i'm honestly impressed at the balls for going with this price lmao
>>750066368this is just a shitpost game
>>750066360>Even for a simple game the shit AI puts out is so sterile and not human-centric.Yeah its retarded you have to be concise and exact but if you can describe what you want and sometimes why or the goal it can do okay.
>>750066265The reality is someone makes a game with AI that looks like it was made with a human will never say it. And the fact is soon the AI disclaimer will be meaningless because only a retard isn't going to use Claude or whatever to do performance optimizations. AI agents are insanely good at optimizing.
>>750066551it cost him 100$ to shitpost, once.i do it ten times a day for free here.
>>750066572Yandere Simulator, for example, I bet you can get an AI agent to completely redo the code and make it perform perfectly without a single visible change to end frames the game shows to the player. Where do you draw the line for AI use? Why is it better that he never used AI to fix the performance?
>>750060859Yea mate I sure am going to buy thousands of vibecoded games that barely work
>>750066551I could find better free browser games... why would anyone pay for this quality?
>>750060857Books get banned because their content is found undesirable by a governing force, not just because they're really badly made like these lazy AI games.
>>750066746No, but you will buy vibecoded games that do work and you'll never be able to tell if the game has an actual art budget.
>>750066794I don't think I will. Almost every vibecoded game so far even has almost the same fucking interface and barely works.Yea your slop Photoshop doesn't really work.
>>750060165People are just asking for a filter. There's nothing wrong with a AI tag.
>>750059947It's nuanced. But if your game has that "AI face" or obviously AI curved letters in the title you're asking for it.
>>750066794You will never be a real developer
>>750066887Holy shit you're so fucking dumb.UI is art you dumbass. So if someone can hire a fucking UI artist a drooling retard like you can never tell.Which is why it's so funny.Your standard is so fucking low, you do realize that you can revise the AI's work right? You don't just have to one-shot every feature.
>>750066572Nice fantasy you have there. A one man team using ai to make a game will come out like shit 100% of the time. Believe it or not, other humans input is important if you want to actually sell something, and ai will always be obvious because>"I started making this game in 2026, no I didn't have help with any of the art or assets."
>>750066887Honestly if someone can make a Planescape Torment with AI I'll be impressed.But I'm not holding my breath lol.
>>750066265yeah, that's obvious
>>750066914Will they also add a vim filter so I can filter out anyone using that dog shit text editor? What about a filter for whether the dev is above 5'8? Or a filter based on game engine?This is so silly to me, no one's making a game without AI anymore. Luddites lost. If you want to filter out AI games just filter based on release date and only buy something made before 2025.
>>750067007Unless there's something to steal the code from I doubt
>>750066969If you use a compiler you're not a real developer. If you don't hand code your game in assembly like RCT you're really just a poser.
>>750066367people also notice if AI games are dogshit
>>750066980>revise the AI's work It's even worse than jeet code, somehow. Fuck off.
>>750067002>one man teamAnon, I'll give it to you straight: no where on Steam are you required to list how many people worked on the game or how long you took to make the game. Most people aren't going to dive that deep and only look at the store page. And frankly, if this becomes an issue, the game already went viral.
>>750066980>you can revise the AI's workSo now I have to buy slop, then ask an ai to fix the slop.Maybe people using ai to make things for them are just fucking retards that have no idea what they are doing?
>>750059947
>>750059947The flood of AI shit is most likely why they introduced that "personalized calendar" feature and better recommendations.
>>750066914>There's nothing wrong with a AI tag.anon, for the last time, stop being anti-semitic>>750067049exactly saar, AI code and AI generated art are exactly the same to us indians!
>>750067049Text editor does not constantly hallucinate, rajeesh
>>750067141What game? Ai games don't go viral because everyone can see it.
>>750067164this, but with the added context that the cakes were made by hand and foot by the indian street vendors from the videos
>>750067164Except 99% of the cakes are made of shit and cost the same price as the 1 cake which isn't made of shit so people can't find the good cake.
>>750067224Okay, so you're dropping the premise that some autist if doing the math that a one-man team (undisclosed) did a full game in 3 months that would take a team of five people 1 year to make? You're just saying that they'll know from the media gallery that the game is AI and won't buy it? Then why bring up how many people worked on the game? Are you retarded? Or are you disingenuous?
>>750063886Why are you so ashamed of using AI?
>>750067049people don't want game with AI art
>>750059947People in this thread are being sarcastic or retarded but yes, Steam DOES need to do something about the AI games flooding it>LOL WHY YOU MAD LUDDITE OH NO HELP ME GABEEENNNIt is hard enough to come across games as is, I am a paying customer and I do not want the number of "games" being released on Steam to balloon more than it already has. I do not want these AI slop games. No one does. No one in this thread is gonna buy them either. It is just being contrarian for contrarianism's sake.
>>750063886If you can manipulate AI well enough that you can hide it, it shouldn't be a problem. It's only annoying when you get flooded with ugly, low-tier slop like the one shown in the OP. Obviously, not everyone shares this mindset, but that's what I think.
>>750062458what the fuck is a 'limited game'?
>>750067501Like being a racist, there's a time and a place. I'd be public racist if I didn't have to worry about a feral retard trying to murder me.
>>750067164Fixed
>>750063152>Literally brings up trannies for no reason
>>750059947>AAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE I HAVE TO USE MY EYESI've found plenty of good shit, it's just a simple trick called spotting obvious AI and using the AI disclaimer Steam forces them to use on the ones that aren't so obvious.
Ai slop just makes real games stand out more. It’s a non issue.
>>750059947You can use AI for the coding potentially. It is not something that people can really see or understand.You can't for art or writing or music. It is instantly identifiable and incredibly off putting to customers. We know that for a fact. Games that look like blatant AI and are forced to label themselves as AI sell way, way worse than games that do.Example: Capcom apparently has been using AI for back end development and concept art, but humans do everything that faces the customer. Capcom has not disclosed this, however, but people have not rallied against Capcom because people don't really care about code.
>>750067684No it doesn't lol. They're buried in a sea of slop. The worst part is that half of these blatantly AI games just don't even use the AI tag and no one ever calls them out on it because they have like 1 or 2 reviews and as such no one even cares enough to report them.This is like saying if you go to the super market and there is real meat and fake meat but there is 10,000,000 aisles of fake meat the real meat will stick out. No it won't, because it is surrounded on all sides by slop to the point that you won't even care enough to try to find it.
>>750059947>BUT HOW WILL I TRY TO SCAM YOU FOR 10$ THEN WITH MY CLAUDE VIBE CODED GARBAGE SAAAAR KINDLY REDEEM MY GAMENo, I will not be buying blatantly AI generated games and I will filter them out
>>750067684but the thing is I don't even wanna see your ai genned garbageyou didn't care enough to make it, why should I care enough to even look at it?
>>750067778Jeets who vibecode don't understand how it even works. It's just gonna get worse with an even more competence crisis than what we had before.
>>750067182The calendar feature is honestly really impressive. I've actually found several games thanks to it that I hadn't heard of elsewhere.
>>750067970but the thing is I don't even want to see your opinionyou didn't care enough to have an opinion based on logic that you spent more than 15 minutes critically thinking about it, why should I care enough to look at it?
>>750068235keep seething sukhdeep still not buying your vibecoded game
>>750059947Increase submission fee to $500.Easy.
>>750068273but you'll keep seeing it :^)I actually doubt you even play games let alone buy them
>>75006828099% of games don't even earn back the current $100 fee. Doubt that would help.
>>750060859
>>750068280The jeets submitting slop have more money to blow than the people investing their life into passion projects
>>750068392People blowing their life on their passion project would benefit from using a shovel over digging with their bare hands.
>>750067402It's not a premise Rajeesh. It happens whenever someone popular plays an ai game by mistake. That's the part that stops your stupid "viral" fantasy.>"but how would they kno-"Literally just look with your eyes. Nobody is going to buy a new game devs copy slop. If your retarded premise relies on the person not knowing, you already failed because now you sound like a scam artist, and steam refunds are generous against scammers.
>>750068318>I actually doubt you even play games let alone buy themwhat does that even mean poojeet? is it really something to brag about in your shithole country that you can afford 1 video game?
>>750068472gm
>>750067049>Will they also add a vim filter so I can filter out anyone using that dog shit text editor?I don’t care, but if enough people care, sure>What about a filter for whether the dev is above 5'8?See above>Or a filter based on game engine?See, this WOULD be a good thing. You’re undermining your own point. People want to know this, they have a right to know this, developers should be forced to disclose this and shoppers should be enable to sort and filter by this information if they choose.
>>750068550I would love your reasoning why someone who is making a 5 year passion project with their hands somehow is less of a person the second they ask Claude to review their code. Like let's find the line anon.
Retard here, doesn't steam have a filter to just exclude AI games from showing up in the store?I literally only use it as a launcher for civ 3 these days (on debian).
>>750059947>agile team>no white person at all
>does nothing>turns into the largest repository for AIslop games on the internet only behind the Google Play store and the Roblox Creator Hub
>>750068631There's no way to actually tell anymore which is what makes some of the autists here seethe. Someone could've spent the last 10 years doing a passion project that could've been done in 2 weeks using AI. Now no one knows.Just look at what happened with even something as simple as the new always sunny show poster. People cried so much that it was AI slop they had to dump their entire 3d models and workflow to prove that it was actually made by hand and took serious time to make rather than just having an AI make something in 40 seconds. Mid tier artists/coders just can't compete anymore, they lost.
>>750068626Conflating cause and effect. It’s not that the act of using AI one single time somehow spiritually contaminates the project. It’s that the people with care and passion aren’t interested in doing it in the first place. Using AI is a red flag that you are a corner cutter motivated by money above quality. Simple as. And in a world where there are already infinite hours of gameplay competing for my time and attention, I have the luxury of defaulting to 0 hours reserved for anyone with a single red flag.
>>750062372nonny almost makes a good point but then the 4chan brainrot kicks in and he goes on a tangent about trannies againsad :(
>>750060859>see ai game>ask claud to copy itIm not buying shit
>>750067007even if they could steal all the code, they still don't know how to design games. all this information on how games work has been around and explored for decades, and even smart people have trouble cracking the code. ai sloppers whose entire goal is to make money instantly by going >glork, make game, no mistakeswill never, ever, in a billion years make a good game, because making a good game is completely antithetical to a low iq moron asking the computer to make a good game. the real concern people have is as people get dumber and dumber by the fucking second, none of this matters because as soon as someone figures out the most optimized "press button get dopamine" for as little work or input as possible, and even one of those pops off, it is absolutely curtains, because as the world succumbs to subhuman browning, no one will ever get smarter again. for me, it's less about slop games, and more that humanity is degenerating unnaturally, and it's all been pre-planned a very long time ago.
>>750068835>There's no way to actually tell anymore which is what makes some of the autists here seethe. Someone could've spent the last 10 years doing a passion project that could've been done in 2 weeks using AI. Now no one knows.but people do knowits very obvious in 99% of the cases because the whole reason why its vibe coded is because the dev is a lazy pajeet who couldnt be bothered to actually give a fuck about his own product
>>750068883>conflating cause and effectAnon are you having a stroke or are you just incapable of forming an argument?It's not cause and effect for someone to have Claude audit their code and even to rewrite a search function to make it 40% faster. But given your weird incoherent seethe, I'm going to assume you meant "No, it's not bad for Claude to audit code, however [arbitrary contradictions]".
Is "AI slop" a meaningless term? Is it something only used by salty people who can't accept that they have no place in an evolving world?Because that's what you're fucking arguing for with shit like >>750060165.
>>750069013Actually it's obvious for the bottom 80%. But I look forward to the witch hunts because you'll make some 5-year-passion-project autist kill themselves and I'll be eating popcorn as it happens.
>>750069123If its obvious ai made with a single prompt its slop
>>750069013If something comes out today you can just point at it and say it's "AI slop" because there's a 99% chance it was made with AI because you'd have to be a retard not to use it. So you're hit rate is going to be high, but the false positives on some poor shmuck who wasted 3 years of their life hand coding a balatro clone who will have to prove they didnt use AI in anyway shape or form will be hilarious to watch. It'll be luddites eating luddites.
>>750069123but its not getting rid of itits just keeping people informedwhy are you so against informed purchases?
>>750060859if ai companies can pirate everything to train their models, and if prompters can generate copycats and decompile everything and make it open source, why the fuck should we pay for any of this shit?
>>750069331Most of the slop is obvious ChatGPT Image usage and SDXL for visual novels. But the second people move to a finetuned Krea or Moss model it's pretty much impossible to tell, even more so if they spend even a minor amount of time quality checking.
>>750069331>because there's a 99% chance it was made with AIthere is a difference between using AI and generating a function or a new feature then properly bug testing it vs vibeslopping your whole game and then selling the mystery meat database on steam
>>750069408No one's forcing you to do anything anon.
>>750069034It’s like Smallpox. Being exposed to it doesn’t GUARANTEE that you’ve contracted the disease. But you might have, and I don’t need to take the chance, so it’s off to quarantine with you.MAYBE your usage of the Infinite Jeet Machine was benign and you are at heart a passionate and committed dev, not a lazy slopper. But I don’t need to waste my time checking. If you MIGHT be a slopper, you ARE a slopper. There are enough other games. You get all of 10s of my attention total, and if I catch a whiff of AI on you, I’m moving on to the next game.
>>750069447But you see anon, the AI Disclosure doesn't even make the distinction possible, especially the retards who want a checkbox for ANY AI use which Steam requires. You used AI to double check the glossary? You HAVE to disclose it. What you really want is a checkbox for "This is low effort trash" and guess what anon, this problem existed since Unity shipped.
>>750069443>ut the second people move to a finetuned Krea or Moss model it's pretty much impossible to tell, even more so if they spend even a minor amount of time quality checking.but thats the whole problem, vibejeets dont do thatthey just shit out their slop because they dont care about qualitythere would be a lot less people against AI if the creators actually gave a fuck about the quality but they don't because they think AI is a magic tool that just instantly creates anything they wish for
I can't wait for AI slop accusations to happen to normal games that were made by some guy in a basement for five years>Heh. this art looks like AI. SLOPAnd then he gets shamed and banned off steam forever.
Jeets with their "you won't be able to tell" really remind me of trannies
>>750069459>he posts on the internetSince you're irrational, here's some food for thought. You're using the internet and it has costed millions of jobs. The obvious truth is you don't like AI because you believe it threatens your job, yet you use a technology daily that ruined millions of jobs already. You're a self-serving luddite with no actual principles. And in 20 years you'll pretend you were always for AI.
>>750069562>for ANY AI use which Steam requiresjust add multiple optionsmaybe some people want 0% ai created games, maybe some people will accept parts of the game being created by ai
>>750063152please for the love of fuck go outside just once
>>750069651how many times will you post this same shit again?
>>750069708Again your real problem is you want a checkmark for Low Effort Trash, not AI. It's sad you can't see the real problem and instead parrot [current bad thing].
>>750069757Until you realize this is the future you asked for.
People would actually be willing to give it a shot IF the people championing AI weren't the most misanthropic fucks. The seethe and crab bucket mentality just emanates off of those people.
>>750069562There will be new jobs created to vet AI games as either low effort trash or high effort enough for human consumption
>>750060165What's wrong chatbot nigger, afraid of a filter?
>>750069784obvious ai usage is a signature of low effort trash though>but not every nigger does violent crimesokay but its still better if I avoid them statistically
>>750069678I don’t care about jobs. I care about not wasting my time on low effort trash. AI shit is low effort trash, that’s the whole point of the technology>but what if I painstaking handcrafted a game for a decade and then used AI one time at the very end just to turn one rectangle from red to green on one textureYou wouldn’t do that. That is a purely imaginary person. If you used AI, it is safe to assume you are a producer of lazy low effort garbage.>but I’m the exception that proves the rule!Too bad. I don’t have time to parse that lie 100,000 times to find the one time it turns out to be true. You have been sorted and categorized, you are in the slopper bucket, better luck next time.
>>750069890sure bud, it's clear you're motivated to say anything and everything to rationalize your contradictory position, enjoy your early dementia
>>750069890
how does anyone make money if there's a kajillion slop AI games on the market each year?if anything, you'd most likely be losing money trying to make an AI game.
>>750069834Wrong, people would be willing to give a shot if it had even a spec of quality on it.
>>750069890>I'm SO COOL I'LL NEVER EVER PLAY AIAnd then the game you're enjoying one day has AI used during the process. I hope you kill yourself when you find out.
>>750069965I made a profitable AI game if you treat my labor as free, made over $500 from two months of effort and it makes $25/mo.
>>750069965That's the best part, you don't.And it's just gonna get much much worse.
>>750069965It's a lot like playing the lottery in that sense. Or, you could say, like gacha. Making games is itself a gacha game.
>>750059947Gabe funded the AI-pocalypse and he grows wealthier off your misery.
>>750070176MY FUCKING HERO
>>750059947Next fest was never full of fun games. It was like one or two great demos and the rest were asset flip trash, just like now.
>>750069834Wrong. It's always been about quality . The "anti social argument" is a retarded strawman . Great art was made by people who fucking hated interaction with others.The real problem has always been quality. Because almost every AIfag is the type of low assetflip dev that /v/ has always made fun off but now they don't even have to pay for assets to flip bought from a store. Now they pay chagtpt tokens to make assets for them. And then dump it on steam flooding everything else
>>750070104I’ll enjoy the refund and the negative review I leave and the report for failing to fill out the AI content disclosure
>>750061000Why should I be forced to label my indie game when others get away with pretending their game isn't AI slop (e.g. Clair Obscure, GTA 6)? Start by forcing all AAA and AA games to put AI warning labels on their game first so that I know that my game wiill be treated fairly. Until then, I and everyon with a brain will be promoting our games as 100% human made no matter how much AI we use.
>>750070315>Game uses AI code and steam allows devs to not disclosure AI codeGuess you're going to kill yourself faster when your refund gets denied since steam has already said you don't have to say it was AI coded or not
>>750060165Odd how its only liberals that hate AI and free speech.
>>750070315There's literally no way to tell now and AI writes better code than the average junior developer (reminder, the 5-year-passion dev likely has no coding skills).
>>750070409hmm you're 100% worse than trannies who pretend to be cis women, at lease some can be hotbut don't worry as soon as someone finds out your ai sloppa you will be exposed and you WILL have to make a new account
>AI used to make a shit ton of porn slopZZZ...>AI used to make a shit ton of game slopTHE WEST HAS FALLEN
>>750069965they dump dozens of them in hopes at least one takes off
>>750070427True. I can still try. Valve often honors requests like that. Also nothing on this earth stops me from leaving a>thumbs down. Vibecoded.review even if the refund gets denied.
>>750070315That's literally holocaust
>>750067554Only sensible person ITT
>>750070539Describe how you would know a game is vibecoded, particularly one you apparently are stupid enough to buy. Because I'll be straight anon, the hallmark of AI code is actually no bugs.>omg this is vibe coded because it maintains full FPS with no stutters even with 1000s of enemies on the screen, no single person can code this
>>750061097They're not "tagged" as in Steam's search/tagging system, they have a free-text disclosure from the developer on the title's store page. Since it's not a tag, you can't filter titles with disclosures in the search results and queues. You have to check every single title manually, or use a third party tool.
>>750070409>It's this disingenuous talking pointNo one with a brain would call E33 an AI game. even if they didn't like it or think it's ugly, conversely a game like crimson desert is so generic that it's easy to say an AI made it and that's' before the AI painting came out
>>750070409Cool, if you do make it out with a lightning in a bottle game, it will all get refunded for false advertising so you lose everything.Great job anon, you really gamed the system.
>>750059947>AIfags malding that I want to filter them out and not see their garbageWhat's the issue? Won't your enlightened fans buy your AI games? What's wrong with me being able to remove it from my personal shopping pool?
>>750070315That's literally nanjing
>>750070618>the hallmark of AI code is actually no bugs.This bait is so large that i can't help but to give it a (you).
>>750070447That's not true.I hate AI, and I fully support free speech. Completely free speech. If you want to talk about how racist you are, feel free. Just be prepared for the consequences.I'm all for human rights, but honestly, I just really hate trannies. I don't want them to all die or anything, but I'd vote against them policy-wise.I think there should be an IQ-limit to voting. After Lindsey Clancy, maybe we should repeal the 19th.People like you can't understand the myriad stances people can and do have. You compartmentalize everything so it makes sense to your tiny little head. You think centrists want to abort half of the baby.You are a retard.
>>750070697Worst case you might get 20% refunds and that's being generous as I think the luddites are a very outspoken militant minority.
>>750070773Anon you're like 3 years out of date with your AI knowledge. Modern agents are experts at writing tests, to a fault.
>>750060859>willing to buyEvery single person I know who uses AI uses it for free.Only idiots actually pay. All the resources are out there for free.
>>750070806Worst case is steam fucking delisting your game, blacklisting you and refunding everything.They don't take kindly for people trying to run scams.
>>750070618First of all, kekSecond of all, realistically it would probably be very difficult to tell for certain whether a game was vibecoded or just made by a shitty programmer, since the source would not be visible. It would rely on something like the dev saying so, which a smart dev would never ever do.Basically your wincon here is like the meat packer putting rat meat in the hot dogs, you’re hoping nobody finds out what you did and attributes any ill health effects to something else.
>>750070773But it's not wrong. If it's functional and doesn't break the game there's nothing wrong with the code objectively speaking.
If ai slop is more fun than what you can create, then that’s a you problem
two can play at the slop game>instruct an agent to read every store page, analyze the cover art & screenshots, read the disclosure, and research the nationality of the developer to classify what degree of overt slop is present in each title>disregard titles that fall under your chosen thresholdit is simply another arms race
>>750070907Hasn't happened yet and Steam isn't going to refund a million dollars, worse case is forcing a disclosure and lifting the 2 hour limit for refunds. And this is some insane fantasy honestly where a game went viral, egregiously used AI, and then somehow got caught.
>>750070675You like the slop they gave you so you deny that it was made with AI even though we all saw the AI generated textures in the game before they patched them out.
>>750059947they're not significantly worse than your average asset flip. i'd absolutely like a filter for any type of cheap, low effort game
>>750070931Except no, it's more like a meat packer where one uses a robot and the other uses a human. The robot then gets caught because their packed meat is literally perfect.
>>750071021Nice try pajeet. But I'm not buying your shitty scam game no matter how much you try to false flag.
>>750070885Unit testing is a dogshit way to detect buggy game code. Quick, describe for me an automatic unit test which detects collision holes in environmental geometry. Or an automatic unit test which detects an animation flag getting skipped due to blend weight rules. Or an automatic unit test which determines when a hitbox applies its damage effect twice in the same tick and doubles its effectiveness.You find bugs in games by playtesting. AI can’t do that. I really don’t give a fuck about its propensity for shitting out endless test suites.
>>750070885>Anon you're like 3 years out of date with your AI knowledge.AI still has problems. It was trained off open source trannies so there are places where it cannot make a implementation worth a shit and I have to go and rewrite things for retards. It also still creates subtle bugs that I fix for retards, and retards tend to slop in so much that they need me to profile and optimize their colossal mountain of slop which AI doesn't give a shit about since it pulled from tranny proof of concepts in many cases.
>>750070989>Steam isn't going to refund a million dollarsBatman comes to mind where steam delisted it and refunded everyone.Pretty sure no man sky also had no questions asked refunds too.
>>750071124Oh boy I sure do hope I don't repeat No Man's Sky with my AI slop game.
>>750059947deviantart of gamingbased gaben
>>750071162Enjoy being in the negative for years on the hope your AI game can come back i guess, it's not like you can count on one hand the times where it succeeded.
>>750071326You stretched to even mention No Man's Sky which is a particularly hilarious example of a success story. Maybe you should ask AI for a better list and it'll make it with citations. Make sure you disclose it though.
>>750069447>there is a difference between using AI and generating a function or a new feature then properly bug testing it vs vibeslopping your whole game and then selling the mystery meat database on steamNot according to everyone, especially not the loudest retards who will whip up the vast majority of milk fed gimps into a morally self-felching frenzy.
I'mma label all your games as AI slop. There is no objective way to prove that I'm lying so you'll just gonna be fucked.
>>750059947If you don't like it, don't check it.WTF is wrong with you.
>>750071404I mentioned no man sky because the hook of the post was the amount of refunds, as the quoted part was that steam wouldn't refund big amounts.Feel free to kick the goalpost further faggot.
>>750059947first next fest, eh?wait until thursday, all the garbage will disappear once the algorithm switches on
>>750071481You must be illiterate because I already said Steam could lift the refund limit, I was contesting the blacklist and ban argument. And again, this hypothetical is on the insane premise that someone egregiously made a game with AI, never got caught during development, went viral and sold millions, and then somehow got caught after the fact. Which honestly is likely going to happen in the future, but well after you've eaten crow.
>>750071045pre opus 5.5 werent there like 10k new releases per month?it was already an unmanageable ocean of slop.that being said Im really happy I can finally make my own game.
The absolute state of PC gaming
>>750071770Yeah on Sony consoles they charge you $90 to play on a $1500 console a digital version of a game made with AI.
>>750071805>i bought a pc for 4k (or nowadays 9k) to play ai slop and tranny slop like deltarune, PC master race!
>>750072005I also play decompiled games like Bloodborne and every game made since 1988.
>>750062278Trying to rewrite history? People did give a fuck and there was a long drama period over the Star Wars Darth Vader. Kids and content creators didn't care and just kept making money off of AI Darth Vader reactions and eventually the angry people moved on
>>7500606582017 for me. Sonic Mania was too good.
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>>750072353for me its 2000, when my schoolmate popped up randomly with a floppy disk and a promise that there is a pokemon game on said 1,4mb disk.and there it was, pokemon red.
Surely at some point hosting services will realize that paying to host ever-increasing amounts of slop with no end in sight isn't financially feasible and stop hosting it, right?
>>750071470can you label good games "good" and bad ones "bad"?
>>750073054Anon, server HDDs are like $0.007/GB.
>>750073054>S-s-surely if we keep whining the AI will go away eventually? R-r-right?Lmao. That's not the way life works luddie.
>>750073229Luddites are correct
>>750071702you could make your game before you lazy git
