>it's the wokes!>it's the chuds!>it's the suits!You all have been misled. RPGs were actually killed in the mid-2010s by the brutal triple whammy of Marvel, Stranger Things, and, above all else, Critical Role.
We cannot go back.
>>750184925>Marvel, Stranger Things, and, above all else, Critical RoleSo it was the wokes
>>750184925So the wokes?
>>750185007Stop pointing that out, you heckin chud
>>750184948The bottom pic is not that bad by today's standards. It's still reasonably shit, but I've seen 10x worse.
>>750184925you can just say foids
>>750185007>>750185031>>750185040All three are explicitly apolitical.
the woke era was planned and paid for by the banksthey needed the culture war to stop people from occupy wallstreet and it was so effective that they just kept funding the activists total white culture death
>>750184948me top left just blastin my shit at the sky epic style
>>750185068So is wokeness.
>>750184925That's crazy. I seem to remember a universally acclaimed money printing DnD game that was also an RPG came out in 2023. It couldn't be that you're just a mind broken /pol/troon looking for a hugbox could it?
>>750184925the normalfags of /v/ were part of that so they don't want to acknowledge it and the third worlders of /v/ don't really give a shit about wrpgs outside of using them for culture war shitflinging. honestly it would surprise me if more than a few people here knew what the fuck you were talking about but you are 100% right
>>750184925This is an official DnD art, btw.
>>750184948>four niggas in a row>seven faggots in a rainbow
>>750185108>>750185007>>750185031>>750185107nothing op said had anything to do with politics. you're pretending to know what he's talking about because you don't really give a shit about any of this beyond using it as ammo for culture war garbage
>>750184925Fa/tg/uy please for the love of God, move onto something that isn't DnD and all your problems will be solved, you don't need to bring our trauma to other boards....
>>750184925do original art styles even exist anymore? now its just "churned out in a korean sweatshop" style for every cartoon
>>750184925Hot take: its actually Marvel above all else.I think a big part of the problem lies on all the newcomers not taking fantasy on its own terms, but treating it as a kind of off-brand capeshit.
>>750185171Then nothing I said had anything to do with politicsI used the same words he did
That's a you problem, my pnp round of the SS paranormal division jormundgandr equalising ghosts and concentrating fishmen is still going strong.
>>750185154my headcanon is that the beholder is mind controlling them all and forcing them to do gay shit as torture and theyre all in hell and screaming inside while hes just there with his smug smile the whole time like hell yeah eat shit you stupid two eyed freaks
>>750185171I thought /pol/fags were done being disingenuous weasels.
>>750185068All three are mega pozzed you lying jew
>>750184925Critical role opened the door for the leftist reddit crowd though
>>750185242no you didn't
>>750184948these artists are largely still alive too
The 60s and onwards have been the greatest disaster for the human race. Only 100 years of strife can purge this rot
There is this view that nerd spaces were invaded but it's more like nerds were given a "become cool with this one simple trick" card. Dye your hair and say trans rights and you're in. I mean a lot of the same developers are still around they just changed the way they present themselves. It almost feels like the identity was waiting for this moment and became complete then.
>>750185246I'm calling your bluff give me a brief description of the PCs, and their collective goals
People don't know this, but you can and should make your own stories in Pen and Paper games. Even more important is playing with people you actually know well irl.I honestly can't imagine that it would be much fun without the constant fantasy racism and the impromptu invention of lore.
>>750184925A part of the problem is that the quality of fantasy literature has significantly dropped over the years.
>>750184925I want to FUCK that tiefling
>>750185246That's the fun of TTRPGs, you can basically do whatever you want if the DM and players are based.
>>750185409blame the people buying and reading them, not the ones writing it
>>750185449NoI'll go right ahead and blame both sides as anyone should
>>750184948I like how no one cares that the woman is the front-line fighter here. It's some good art with some good looking characters from a time period where our entertainment could just exist as that, without trying to push a message related to current day politics to the expense of actual quality.
>>750184925What killed rpgs is the shift in the mentality from>I wanna role play as the heroto >I want the hero to be literally me
>>750185486blame the ones running the publishers
>>750185340look up bioleninism
>>750185505Wrong, you stupid mongoloid.It was the shift from>I wanna autistically spend 5 hours crafting excel sheets over optimal builds and combat strategiesto>I wanna role play as the hero
>>750185409You say that as if modern fantasy fans don't also read LotR.
>>750185509Are you a shitty fantasy author or something? Why are you so set on removing any responsibility for what they make from their shoulders?
>>750185154It was funny that even fags had to say "This is way too much fag shit for DnD" in response to this lol
>>750185409>Eowyn fell forward upon her fallen foe. But lol the mantle and hauberk were empty.Based Token.
>>750185358We have the Dr. Mengele cliche scientist that deals in poisons and medicine that sees supernatural as means to artificially create the ubermensch. We have the catholic inquisition priest that just in to kill demons and is only working with the group because he's an insane zaelot, we got the german noble officer that still mourns the absence of the emperor that doubles as weapons specialist and we the mcguyver type who is german engineering no. 1 but pretty much took all the cool shit the others didn't.
>>750185409Read Bakker.
>>750184925It's the woke chuds in suits. There you go, I said it.>>750185049Nice bait
>>750185007/thread
>>750185531Correct. It's why rules-lite do-nothing "cinematic" games and people running D&D 5e where half the rules are "I dunno, ask the GM" has become the standard experience. The players no longer care about mechanics or the thrill of problem solving, they just want to do epic funny bro adventures like their favorite AP paid actors do.
>>750184925Want to fuck Jester and Nott (Nott preferably with the fan voice instead of the throat cancer guy voice), don't care about your gay crusade.
>>750185823kill jester
>>750185489As long as you make her hot, nobody will complain about how strong she is.
>>750185531I agree with you far more than the other guy, but there was definitely an aspect of storytelling in the appeal of early D&D. Mostly, it was just enjoying the context of delving into a hostile dungeon, hacking goblins to pieces, saving a group of beautiful fertile princesses (one for each party member) before returning to town, getting the next mission, and doing it all over again.This is the conflict between Gary Gygax, and Dave Arneson while they were designing the earliest versions of the game.But yeah, the issue is that there's too much focus on the player characters rather than the scenario they're put in. Nobody just plays a simple farm boy turned ranger. Now they all want to be the main character with plot hooks in their backstories, a personal importance to the story, and a bunch of epic OP loot promised to them 3000 years ago.I'm playing through Icewind Dale, and it brings to mind the exact kind of feeling I've always heard people describe from D&D. I think if my experiences with the TTRPG were closer to the CRPG, I'd be having more fun.
>>750185845GayEven if you have a hateboner for her you should want to turn her into a sex slave or something instead of wasting perfectly good blue meat.
>>750185340>become cool>transPress x to doubt
>>750185934Keel jestah
>>750185845Jingle is out friend, anon! She's here to help us!>>750185934retard
>>750185068
>>750184948I'm really tired of sidefade haircuts on characters. I've played games where half or more of the cast had fucking side-fades. It's like having dreads on blacks. other haircuts exist but for whatever reason devs can't imagine a different haircut on a black person, so it's dreads or side-fades.
>>750184925So... the wokes?
>>750186006>>750186035You have the big gay, like worse than the characters the thread is complaining about
just say normalfags ruined another thing
>>750185409>Éowyn am I, Éomunds daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.
>>750186035Look it's ma moneh ma gheme keel jestah
>>750186131Never mind now I get it, you're making a Limmy reference, I might be retarded. I'm too busy thinking about Tiefling ass
Deconstruction took the fantasy out of it and subversion has become the norm, which is just weird as all hell.
>>750185892The problem is that if you just want a heavy system-dependent dungeon crawling experience, why wouldn't you just play some CRPG like Icewind Dale? Computers do all of this better. You don't have to fiddle with dice and character sheets, the DM doesn't have to browse through a rulebook to see which save you have to roll, and you get cool art and visualizations as to what you are doing unlike at an average TTRPG table.The only strength TTRPGs have left over the CRPG is that you can go on wacky funnybro adventures just like your favorite voice actors and you can do wacky funnybro adventure shit just like them (the clock is ticking for this as well if AI ever becomes a competent writer, or maybe more importantly, solving the issue with persistent memory)
>>750184925>>750184948all that changed was>how do we make a good story, good characters and good gameplayto>how do we make a story, characters and gameplay that is inclusive and diverse so that no one is upsetthe latter just doesn't work. they are trying very hard to forcefully make it work though. why? i don't even know.You can have inclusive characters written well and done well. Ask japan.
>>750184925The kind of gay OP a "have you tried not playing D&D?" /tg/ spammer would shit out.
>>750186035I don't care mate it's my money, keel jestah
Holy shit bros they cancelled Shub-Niggurath in Call of Cthulhu!!!
>>750186141Jingle is dead... game over...
>>750185071Shut up OWStroonYou guys fell for the original 4chan activism AstroTurfClass war is oxymoronic in a casteless society built on equal rights, that doesn't belong to you, fuck off
>>750186223worth it mate, well worth it, she's shitegedreedah
The difference between Vox Machina and Mighty Nein tells a lot.Vox Machina everyone was trying to play it straight, leaning into fantasy tropes. It resulted in characters that could develop naturally into something interesting, but they were a bit bland out of the gate.Mighty Nein went the complete opposite direction where everyone had to be a fucking rainbow unicorn that breaks every norm right away. It resulted in no cohesion or identity.
>>750186136Then the movie completely fucked up that entire scene to instead be some gay girlboss moment, along with cutting out Eomer going absolutely fucking apeshit when he thought his sister died with his dad.
Is Jester an actual manic pixie dream girl? I thought those were declared haram.
>>750184925>>it's the wokes!>>it's the chuds!>>it's the suits!No.It is the jews.Always has been.
>>750185409Good job picking the passage that makes the most hardened chud stand up on his seat and scream "kinooooo!"
i dunno why causes pic related but i hate it, especially when its every game release now.>powerful woman character>shes a lesbian btw
>>750185247I've seen this image like half a dozen times and just now have I noticed there's a fucking Beholder in the image, holy fuck. Imagine having so much sparkledog-tier faggotry on display that a fucking BEHOLDER is the least stand out thing in frame.
Nothing like some after work tabletop grooming I mean gaming with the folx!
>>750184948>Female warriorWoke, both are woke
>>750186187Because I want a system dependent dungeon crawling experience with physical dice, paper, pencils, maps, figurines, and friends all crowded around a table with a fridge full of sodas, and a couple pizzas on the way.Don't act like playing a Baldur's Gate 3 campaign with your internet buddies over discord is anywhere similar to the real thing.And I'm not discounting the story aspect, which is why the minor moments where it matters are that much more important. It's creating something all your own that a game designer didn't create. You can change up the campaign from the book however you want, adapt to what the players might enjoy, or even change up enemy placements or encounter lengths on the fly based on what would be most fun for the party.The issue is when the story and the characters you and the four other unwashed nerds create are the only point of the game.
Nott sex.You now remember the two CptPopcorn animations where Nott gets her gobbo pussy plowed for 5 minutes.
>>750186482>Don't act like playing a Baldur's Gate 3 campaign with your internet buddies over discord is anywhere similar to the real thing.honestly though, it gets fairly close to the feeling, BG3 allows for a surprising degree of freedom for a videogameAnd in practice in TTRPG's not every session is going to have the same level of improvisation, GM's are just people too, sometimes they're tired from work and everyone agrees to stick to the book for the session or not go too far out of what the GM has prepped, sometimes a combat section runs way longer than anticipated because the dice hate everyone with particular vigor and just in general, can't always operate on peak creativity
>>750186915And all that is just another human element that you can't get from a computer game. It's something to share with the people close to you, and laugh about after the session.Really, it's that when you're playing a computer RPG, you're likely to remember it as time spent playing Baldur's Gate, or Icewind Dale. Time spent playing a TTRPG is more closely going to be remembered as time spent with friends. You're looking at a real person, using your own hands to make the game happen from nothing more than some dice and a pencil, hearing everyone else's voices as they do their characters, and doing the same.
>>750184925HOLY HECKERINOIS THAT A HORNY HALFLING BARD!? AND HE'S AN ELVIS LOOKALIKE!?HOLY REDDIT TAKE MY UPDOOT WHAT AN INSANE, ORIGINAL CONCEPT, NO ONE'S DONE IT BEFORETHANK YOU TWISTED MINDS OF CRITICAL ROLE, YOU REALLY ARE BRILLIANT!
>>750187063>Time spent playing a TTRPG is more closely going to be remembered as time spent with friends.That's the part that BG3 gets down fairly well, it's multiplayer has more of a "time with friends" feeling to it specifically because of the level of freedom it offersyou're right that it's not the same as being in person, but the two don't have to be exclusive, there's a good amount of overlap between people who play TTRPG's together and people who get together to play something like BG3 on evenings where they can't easily meet up
>>750187069Wrong campaign, and everyone agrees Scanlan was the worst member of Vox Machina, save for Tiberius who already sucked before he got memoryholed.
>>750184925>Marvel, Stranger Things, and, above all else, Critical Role.These are all woke as fuck though?
>>750184925>>750185007>>750185031>>750185068>>750185154so, the wokes.
>>750185505>>750185531>>750185774>>750185892The core issue behind the current state of the DnD scene is that the people in charge of making DnD aren't creative or intelligent enough for this hobby. Unfortunately, wizards decline has yet to overtake their brand image in the eyes of normal fags, so the shit they produce continues to have an impact
>>750184925I don't care that Jester is the reason we have so many le quirky unique tieflings xD now, I've lost gallons of cum to her porn over the years
>>750185083he cast too early
>>750184925Like most things this is a self-afflicted wound. Nothing stopping a bunch of chuds to gather in their basement to play a chud campaign or whatever. It didn’t stop the wokies back in the 90s and 2000s when D&D wasn’t woke. Add to that that D&D has been shit for a long time, basically never recovered after 4.0. But I get the feeling that most of the people decrying modern RPGs haven’t had a campaign in 20-30 years.
>>750185298alot of them became woke too which is why the notion of "just hire the old talent back to make new good games" doesnt work.
>>750184925no it started early with ass shit like anthony burch's writing in borderlands games and his sister's online skit show on the escapist into state backed dei initiatives and blackrock funded investments into aaa companiesthe californian government literally used a fake lawsuit to force blizzard to fire white men and hire troons
>>750187446Is dnd even alive? Most people I know switched back to 3.5 because 5 was too dumbed down and actually prevented gameplay more than making it more accessible.
>>750184948it's joever
>>750187536Jester had a lot of things to her that said le quirky unique tieflings xD refuse to though, which is why she's different.>mother is a literal whore>her god is a troll that sometimes makes funny things happen TO her instead of her always being the quirky chaos goblin causing things to happen
>WRPGs Not my problem. I only play JRPGs which are actually WRPGs from the 1980s but with minor iterative improvements.
>>750187698>alot of them became woke tooit's what happens when they're a mafia and you'll get harassed and ostracized for not going along with them, it's how they turned all the old newgrounds chuds and such into fags too
>>750184925>>750184948so what is the /v/erdict on Critical Role´s campaign 4 artwork?
>>750187680Dnd 4.0 is a misunderstood masterpiece that was intentionally mismarketed by hasbro because it was too good to fuel their planned ultragreed sub model.
Why bother with anything but the core systems and the most basic lore?You are literally in complete control of the story.
>>750187734the vast majority of people are playing 5e or 5.5, with the closest community to that being PF2epeople who go back to 3.5 or play PF1e are a minority and an increasingly vanishingly small one at that count yourself lucky you know enough of that minority to actually get a game going
>>750187734D&D is more popular than ever by a wide ass margin
>>750184925So pozzed shit by jews, yeah.
>>750184925Let me guess, 4 of them are lesbian
>>750187789>make a D&D version designed around a VTT>person making the VTT kills himself>release the designated VTT version of D&D without the VTTHasbro/WotC are colossal retards who don't deserve anything honestlyAnd yes 4e had some good ideas, hell there's been a fair number of 4e inspired systems that have done reasonably well over the years, though it also was a bit too much of a departure from 3.5 to ever be "that" successful without a killer app
>>750184925>Marvel, Stranger Things, and, above all else, Critical Role.so jews
>>750185846>As long as you make her hot, nobody will complainits true for all foid media appearances.go back to the 80s/90s, women liked female focused media if the woman was hot and if you asked them about the show it would be "blah blah blah, and blah oh and the women is hot, i really like her outfits.more often than not women cared more about how the girl actually looked vs men who just saw tits said "heh, nice!" and moved on.before women got involved in videogame dev/ as a consumer men were content with text/stat based character creation, but when women started getting involved it moved to visually creating your character, their face, hair, body, clothes. and soon thats what a character creator meant, and the focus was much less on backstory/stats.women spend far longer making a hot woman to play as and request these features in gamesmen make ugly characters to laugh at.if you went back to just text and stats for character creation and a simple icon or avatar to choose from men wouldn't really care, but women would be outraged.
>>750187829>>750187831Yeah its popular with the new ones... butnin my experience they either are gone from the hobby quickly or switch after their 2nd 5e game.Critical role seem to flush in a lot of kids but they have little to no staying power.But if I'd be really lucky I'd knew enough people to get a game of anima going. Fuck this low coleteral dmg shit, I want my players to tell me how many nukes they wanna launch this round - but never ever.
>>750187786Looks cool. Not gonna watch it though
>>750187789I played it for years. It was dogshit.
>>750184925>I'll never be able to play as the Tevene Chud I always wanted to be.I blame "women"
>>750184925Still woke, therefore miss me with that shit
>>750184925>>>/tg/
>>750187980>Critical role seem to flush in a lot of kids but they have little to no staying power.1-2 million worldwide active players in 2010 vs 25+ million todayPretending this isn't the case is pure chudcel "go woke go broke" cope
I had to give up on my dungeon crawling campaign because all my friends wanted character drama insteadMade me sad
>>750188343>noooooo you can't just do roleplaying in your roleplaying game, you have to do combat and nothing else
>>750184925She's cute, not gonna lie.Where's she from?
>>750188152I don't really care about the shareholder numbers, maybe there is a giant blob on fantasy grounds but in the local scenes around me where people actually meet up to play and set up test games for new players dnd5 is like the newb bait. They want to play it first because they don't know anything else but either are gone quickly or switch systems. Or maybe dnd5 has a huge non playing fanbase somewhere idk.
>>750187680>Nothing stopping a bunch of chuds to gather in their basement to play a chud campaign or whatever. What do you think we do all the time? Entertainment has been about hating us for a decade+ now, of course we have to make our own shit and go back to old games. That's not why people are complaining about tranny shit>It didn’t stop the wokies back in the 90s and 2000s when D&D wasn’t woke.It was always woke to an extent. Old american media had the same liberal tenets of diversity and gender equality, they were just less dogmatic about it and could make a good product. Just think of any fantasy or scifi series that got big in that time period and you'll find women warriors and the occasional brown.
>>750188103So if you turn into a spider, do you only have two working legs, or are only two of them lame?
>>750184925>marvelwoke shit exclusively made for faggots>stranger thingswoke shit exclusively made for faggots>critical rolewoke shit exclusively made for faggots
>>750188457Sorry anon, shitty replies are on my X card you're gonna have to delete your post
>>750188103why not do something awesome like say, a druid with crippled legs who spends his days studying snakes and specializes in shapeshifting in them so he doesn't need legs makes for a pretty badass moment when he's underestimated because of his injuries only to shift into a god damn anaconda at peak performance
>>750188829disability is identity
>>750188829Why would you want to have an awesome guy that works around your disability? The point is to get attention for it
>>750188829Modern disability mindset makes the disability your identity and coming up with creative ways to overcome it is victim shaming because it belittles those who are suffering with the disability. That's why you have to confront them with their suffering 24/7 to mindbreak them but you clap which makes you a good ally.
>>750188967I imagine it's also for that reason a druid is using a wheelchair instead of riding his loyal bear companion
>>750184925So, the wokes?
I've tried watching Critical Role multiple times and no matter what they seem to have it set up so that half their cast are tremendous, great at acting and improv and you want to watch them, but then the other half are genuinely intolerable.I don't know how this has worked out for them for so long.
>>750186221It sucks how anything even tangentially related to niggers has to be censored, niggers to read in general, you really think they'd read H.P Lovecraft?
I still don't know what critical roll is
>>750189542It's when you roll a 20 on a 20-sided die
>>750184925I stayed for her.
>>750189542It's a popular show where you watch other people play D&D. It has lore in the same way that fucking game grumps has lore.
>>750185409>lol
>>750189542a bunch of well known voice actors (like the voices of Illidan and Jaina from Warcraft) play Dungeons and Dragon on Youtube. Just hit Critical Role in your searchbar
>>750184925Why is the fucking cunt front and center? I hate feminism
>>750189674You quoted the wrong post, you must have meant the one below it: >>750184948
>>750187357This fantasy only appeals to disgusting stinky foids
>>750189542It's a theater kid podcast where they pretend to play Matt Mercer's Homebrew Tabletop Game Loosely Based On D&D (but don't worry about the rules too much! the most important part is that we have wacky funny theater kid adventures!)
>>750189594for me, its Delilah
>>750189748>Matt Mercer's Homebrew Tabletop Game Loosely Based On D&DAlso known as D&D 5e
>>750189542"What if every obnoxious main character syndrome player got together and made a group exclusively for people like him?"
>>750184948 2 of the men look like fucking faggots, the orc warrior look lame and weak, rest is just women. Feminism is a fucking rot to western media and society as a whole
>>750189748>they dont even use dice
handholding missionary position intercourse with the intent of babymaking with Tyranny
>fencesitters like OP who was shitlibmcgee or lolbert at best pre wall street >fast forward and now try their best to distance themselves from cringy le no step snek and the LGTVHDMI crowd aka woke 1.0>but not too hard enough to done the evil windmill because that can backfire, so they come up with diet wokeNiggy your thieflings are made by fat bisexuals women, who live in an open relationship, the same applies to the average tyranid painter. No unpozzed heterosexual male touched a d20 for decades.
>>750184925wait, is that nigger on the left supposed to be a woman?
personally i find it very funny you guys simultaneously hate critical role and love baldurs gate 3
>>750190190I hate both of them though
>>750190190"Love" is a stretch, and I fucking loathe BG3's character selection and overall dialogue tone.
>>750190190you know those can be different people browsing /v/, right?
>>750185616>>750189623lo!
>>750190254proof?
BRING BACK KENDERS
>>750184925>>750184948>>750185007You forgot the patient zero, which was World of Warcraft.
>>750184925>>750184948Works on my table. It's so easy to avoid by simply not playing with people you don't like.
>>750188527>What do you think we do all the time? Entertainment has been about hating us for a decade+ now, of course we have to make our own shit and go back to old games. That's not why people are complaining about tranny shitI wonder why they hate 'you', and if it has anything to do with all that complaining about 'tranny shit'.>It was always woke to an extent. Old american media had the same liberal tenets of diversity and gender equality, they were just less dogmatic about it and could make a good product. Just think of any fantasy or scifi series that got big in that time period and you'll find women warriors and the occasional brown.So that golden age of RPGs people want to go back to is actually also a woke hellscape? This shit just doesn't make any sense. You say it was a a better product, however D&D was always kinda shit. It's servicable to use as a combat simulator but even in the 90s people were looking for more out of their RPGs. I've been playing since then.
Actually what killed RPGs and gayming in general was the vastly more capable graphics where every studio had to pour more and more into their graphics and art, resulting in hugely inflated budgets, and then DLC and other micro-transactions became too difficult to resist leading to today's bloated games that can spend a decade in development and cost a billion or more dollars to make. A modest "AA" big studio game is still $100 million plus tip. Agile development practices also mean the game is never done on release, is buggy, but in a way that's a feature because they can sell you the first part of a game and then make you pay to finish it, then a small tip to play some side missions too. Advertised in-game of course.Who honestly thinks that... a TV show, a catchpenny comix and movies franchise to hoover money out of the pockets of basedjacks, and some gay D&D podcast could ruin games? Justify yourself, OP. NOW.
>>750190190Bg3 is a bad game thats only redeeming feature is being multiplayer.
>>750190449>Actually what killed RPGs and gayming in general was the vastly more capable graphics where every studio had to pour more and more into their graphics and artNobody in the history of game development has "had to pour more money into graphics and art". It's a choice. Plenty of Japanese AAA JRPG games basically look like slightly enhanced PS3 games and they sell well enough.
>>750190379WoW tries to be badly in the consciousness but its entire survival has been millenial nostalgia. Zoomers don't give a shit about it, and if it wasn't for the drones who desperately cling to the premise of "this time it'll be different" it would have EoS 10 years ago.
>>750189782Evil woman enjoyer?
>>750185108Yeah, balls hurt gay 3 was so damn GOOOD AAAAYYY MONA!That Larian called it the worst game they ever worked with and cancelled the contract with DnD to focus back on divinity, because the DnD ip is garbage and too pozzed to work for them, and is Larian of all vidya companies saying that, Larian.
>>750190190Retard
>>750190512They sell well domestically maybe. But Xbox and PS have conditioned consumers for decades that better graphics equal better game. It's a marketing ploy so deeply entrenched by now that it is treated as a given.
>>750190085this
>>750190512>Nobody in the history of game development has "had to pour more money into graphics and art".Yes they have, since the earliest days of video gaming, this has been the practice. In the 8-bit days and 16-bit days even, it was easier. As the 32-bit era passed games already commonly cost millions to make. IIRC Gran Turismo IV was the first game to cost tens of millions and that's because they laser-scanned in all the cars and real-life tracks.That was what like 25 years ago or thereabouts?It has increased exponentially since then. I'm not talking about your shitty Steam games for groomers and coomers. It's not relevant to the industry as a whole.Console and PC games alike had to meet or exceed the competition, people bought games because they had good graphics even if the gameplay was shit. This was established back when Myst came out. That was way before you were even born, kiddo.
>>750190592its not unfair to say that 95% of /v/ hates critical role and 95% of /v/ loves bg3 thoughever
Anyone else find Season 4 so much better now that Aabria fucked off?
>>750190658delusional.a big chunk of /v/ doesnt even play western games.
>>75019065895% of /v/ doesnt even know what Critical Role is and just mindlessly repeats what they percieve as the accepted majority opinion, hating the thing because hating the thing is cool
>>750190449>Who honestly thinks that... a TV show, a catchpenny comix and movies franchise to hoover money out of the pockets of basedjacks, and some gay D&D podcast could ruin games? Justify yourself, OP. NOW.Stranger Things brings mass attention to D&D which is captured by Critical Role, who largely paint D&D as a game of expressing yourself through roleplaying and acting rather than the dungeon crawling and combat simulator it used to be. This revives mass interest in D&D, skyrocketing it to new heights, tables now filled with self-centered theater kids who don't give a shit about dungeon crawling or stat sheets and instead want to play pretend all session. Publishers see this, tell their devs that "we need to get in on this, focus more on character stories instead of the overarching plot, and simplify the old cRPG systems nobody cares about", and the end result is Veilguard and the death of Bioware.Idk what Marvel did though
>>750187714Isnt cuntlifornia now a Literal coronelism hellhole led by the oldest 4 sickfuck families there like every brazillian and euro state?
>>750185083what is going on in this pic?
>>750187812why bother with systems like dnd at all? if you want complete control you should just grab a universal system instead>>750187789the truly misunderstood masterpiece is wfrp3e
>>750189006Fun fact, they do this shit to receive free money from the government.The army core or people who really needs it, are rejected.Family guy called this shit out years ago with the cripple peter skit.
It was USAID pushing wokeness. Fiscal year just ended, so the last of the USAID that ever went out, went out at the end of September. Is it any wonder that these foreign, woke-ass game studios are starting to die like FLIES? If anything Critical Role, Stranger Things, and Marvel are all symptoms as well, having a common cause - USAID being used to push a global ultra-woke agenda. Now that's over and AAA gaming is imploding all of a sudden, devs are self-immolating, etc.Gamergate exposed woke as an organized thing, apparently even the UN and Darpa were in on it. That's a fact.
>>750190710Just say that the head of critical role is fucking laura bailey the hypocrite bitch and her cuck chair husband knuckles the echidina.
>>750185547The watch the movies then read fanfic.
>>750190610and look how well it worked for them
>>750184925>humans, but different colors!>>750184948>humans, but gay!Fantasy is so cooked.
>>750190710From what I've gathered from osmosis, it seems to be a gathering of people who want to be the most sarcastic, quippiest guys in the room, sort of like That Guy With The Glasses crew but with less earnest nerdiness, so everyone just speaks with the same self-aware tone and voice. Am I too far off?
>It's not woke people's fault!>It was shareholders and management!And what did the share holders want?And how did management manage everything?
>>750190610It started when there were a slew of consoles designed to beat the Atari 2600. Ages and ages ago. It never stopped. It only accelerated and once we hit the era of 32-bit, where photo-realistic graphics, FMV, and finally 3D acceleration came, the costs increased to fit the new technology's capabilities. It's as you say but it started earlier and the cost thus need to profit, and time to make the games started to balloon by the late 1990s and by the mid-2000s we were starting to see this trend where every game was gonna be AA or better or the studio was accused of being lazy or pumping out schlock.In the olden days nearly every game was made with its own engine from scratch, that became impossible as time went on just purely for cost reasons, so every game started to look and even kinda play the same too. That wasn't a problem back in the very oldest days, say until the end of the XP era. After that everybody used the same three or four game engines, now even on the consoles too. Unique engines could be bad or great, but they gave every game its own unique look and feel. You don't get that any more. And conceptually the devs look for existing ideas and just stick to them too so all the good games have practically already been made, and they're looking at redoing or remastering or sequeling again instead of even trying something bold and new.
>>750184948>>750184925Most boomer era fantasy was far too simple, because they were the first to explore a lot of concepts, so they weren't challenged to evolve ideas beyond "the wizard", and "the assassin", and "the warrior". There was a lot of reusing of cliches and tropes too.There were some gems here and there over the decades, but fantasy didn't reach its golden age until around the 90s. And then it got super gay around the middle of 2010. So the golden age really only lasted about 25 years. We still get some modern gems here and there, but you have to sift through a lot of gay shit.
>>750190720Clearly binding his familiar to her soul so he can command her to be a complete nympho slut.
>>750191316why yes people just werent advanced enough to come up with "the faggot" in the 80s.
>>750190718This is just the latest nuke that completely destroyed nerd spaces that arent actively hostile to women and queers, but its been getting worse for a whileBefore critical role and stranger things, there was the general nerd culture or "nerd chic" trend of the late 2000s and early 2010s. WoW was somewhat ground zero for this but tumblr really spread the cancer fast. Very quickly being a nerd meant more about being in the nerd fandom (doing fan art, cosplay, fanfics, memes, etc) rather than giving a shit about the source material. This is perfect for the theater kid invasion because they just want to do art and get upvotes rather than autistically argue about minute setting details. Its why every mainstream nerdy culture is just regurgitating the same 5 fucking memes ad nauseam. Its also how you ended up with garbage likehttps://youtu.be/ltM5jHIJFw4
>>750187446Shit man his art improved.
>>750191316boomer era fantasy as you call it was trying to categorize characters from tolkien into a class system to use for playing games. i'd argue that popular contemporary fantasy has not managed to move beyond this. and if you mean in terms of literature then we most definitely will never move beyond tolkien
>>750187310Every single VM member is the worst member, I can't stand any single one of them (but mostly because I despise the players)
>>750184925I remember vividly when the RPG spaces I used to play in had a massive increase in popularity and how these newcomers were wildly different from my usual friends and others that from time to time played with us.I dont know If d&d is commonly played in stores in the US, but It was quite common to visit these here in Brazil to find other with similar interests. When the critical role series reached streaming, alongside ordem paranormal (Brazilian critical role), things went wild, and nothing was the same ever again. Stranger things has already attracted some different people to the store, but they mostly still genuinely interested in the game. Anyways, the impact was so huge that among most players DM was no longer used, rather they started calling the game master a Narrator.
>>750184925What do Stranger Things and Marvel have to do with RPGs or killing RPGs? Being popular with normalfags and you not liking it?
>>750187063Sounds like you like Critical Role then
So what even is "Critical Role", is it a webseries, webcomic, roleplaying podcast or what?I've never heard of it outside of people calling it the reason every CRPG is shit nowadays.
>>750194428Seething normgroid detected
>>750194557>Being completely clueless about something you could figure out with a google searchIt has to be learned helplessness at this point
>>750194557>>750189748
>>750194676I was giving you a chance to bitch and moan about a thing you hate while also learning something myself.>>750194714Got it, thanks.
>>750190658i like bg3 because it's a fun gamei don't care about critical role because why the fuck would I watch other people do a roleplay session that looks retarded
>>750185505The idea that every character has to be a relatable self-insert for the player has hurt gaming in general
>>750189748Theater kids are so weird and I say this as someone who does theater. They're much more of a rarity than people think but when you do met them that shit is uncanny. They are some of the most insufferable, dumb and shallowest people on earth.
>>750194607Can you answer the question?
>>750187698>alot of them became wokeHave you ever considered the possibility of them always being woke?
>>750185154Christ how cringe. No wonder RP in MMOs is so lame and gay now.
>>750185068>Critical role >Apolitical You're just full of jokes today aren't you?
>>750184925>it's not the wokes!>it's (woke shit)Ok
>>750196035They are entirely apolitical. Just because their mannerisms remind you of your lib cousin from Portland doesn't change that.
>>750187786>too clean>too gay>too fujothis isn't a bunch of adventurers
>>750189594AI SLOP
>>750189812Close, the group comp is more like>75% main character syndrome >15% total disinterest and just hanging out>10% actually trying to play>BONUS : one guy desperately trying to fuck his friend's wife
>>750196409Travis willingham is a cuck, and laura bailey slept with more men and women than he getting laid once.If bethesda had a time machine, they would erase her voice as serana and pay kate beckinsale(the original choice) or couternay taylor to voice serana.Incredible how that woman tainted everything she touched with sag-aftra's help.
Imagine if spoony kept his counter monkey series up long enough to reach the dnd popularity boom, guy would be making bank.
>>750184925>Marvel, Stranger Things, and, above all else, Critical RoleSo the wokes and the suits
>>750197175That did Laura do?
>>750197175care to enlighten us how you come to be knowledgable about their private sexual life
>>750194676People just want to talk for fuck's sake anonIf you don't want to you don't have to
a guy I used to hang out with showed me an episode of the animated series based on critical role and I fucking hated it
It's amazing how good normalfags are at killing any "nerdy hobbies" once they become "mainstream".
>>750194795found the gay porn addict
Western RPGs deserve that.
>>750184925>>750184948Ok but the tiefling girl is CUTE though
>>750197471they kill them and then move on, still empty, creating nothing and taking everything away from those who doName one thing that got better when it went from a niche to mainstream. You can't
>>750185154fuck you for casting this abomination before my eyes.
>>750187786>horses are basically devoid of anything but modern tackgod fuck offbad enough they're just shooped in but come the fuck on, the gay vampire bloke isn't going to have lace on his horse too? utterly thoughtless work
>>750186187The greatest strength of TTRPGS is that your options are not limited by the designer's imagination, something video games can never overcome without AI integration
>>750184925>Draw Korra>Make her even more lesbian>Give her Sokka's haircutHow does this character not get them sued
>>750184948I want to fuck the drow in the bottom pic, so bottom wins, sorry chuds, top just looks like my grandma's hippie parties.
>>750197968There isn't a drow in the bottom picture.
>>750185409I used to write like the left but my editor told me it was unreadable to the normie brain so now I write like the right.
>>750198041Well, tiefling yeah, had a brainfart lmao
>>750184925That's nice but goblin onahole
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>>750184925Critical role is fine in the same way Joss Buffy was fine. Namely their style works when they are the ones making it because they know how to walk that specific and fine cringe line without fucking it up. The tabletop scene is full of weirdos that can´t take storytelling seriously and play things for the LOLs. Dungeon masters could try to enforce a more serious tone but most dungeon masters aim for the players to enjoy the ride so if wacky chungus fun is the way players want to go they just fold and allow it for the sake of the players having fun. Now, should poser studios copy this? Absolutely not. Disingenuous retards never manage to get things right. They are just trying to replicate success and fail to grasp that a single studio playing things like that already is more than enough so they over saturate the market. There should be enough room to accommodate serious storytelling that doesn´t aim to be a parody of itself but suits won`t allow that. They saw Critical Role be successful on their thing and said "now make Dragon Age like that" "now make D&D like that" "now make golden axe like that" and it won´t stop as long as consumers don´t consciously say "gee, i´m tired of this shit, i´ll watch something else"
>>750184925I hate troons.And I hate faggots.They must die.
>>750186039For all their talk about creativity, artists are the dullest, most conformist, cowardly cogs in the machine.
>>750187786>edgy, near-monochrome art reminiscent of "ye olde D&D">the actual characters are all "le goofy goobers" and Tumblr rejects
>>750185068>Marvel>apoliticalYou can't be serious.
>>750188536One wheelchair for two legs so a spider can get four wheelchairs and move the wheels using the pedipalps.
>>750184925>>750184948100% true Fuck every "nerd" who sold his soul for money
>>750184948Good.
Tieflings are more of a plague than Drizzt clones ever were.
>>750198518ponies
>>750197968>that ugly nuLara expression on her long, ugly mug
>>750198518Don't care. Want to fuck Jester and use her horns like handlebars.
>>750198460this
>>750185846hot, and not woke
>>750184925>Marvel, Stranger Things, and, above all else, Critical Role.So, its the wokes.Also RPGs were going to shit before that, don't forget Bioware made DA2Never forget.
>>750198938>don't forget Bioware made DA2never
>>750185409Praising lotr is the normie take. Being a ”lotr geek” is in par with knowing star wars spinoff series these days.
Rpg's and fantasy died in early 2010's because of geek culture,larping and gaming became a big thing, therefore Corporations, Politicians and normal fags jumped on them like wolves on sheepThat's why you can't have a serious rpg anymore where people talk and act like someone from that world during Medieval+fantasy times and not like someone from fucking LA, unfortunately we will never go back and things will keep getting worse >>750190190the ones who love and defend that garbage are tourists or low IQ retards
>>750199174I have "muh sincerity" fatigue.
>>750185209>Reasonable takecapeshit used to signal you as a friendless, degenerate nerd, even for some time after RDJ Ironman. It just had to saturate the culture and make newcomers think the understood what was going on to be "cultured" with popular media, even if popular media was and is shit.
>>750198459>four wheelchairs>instead of one wheelsofaAlso>tfw when you'll never roll around on your own wheelsofa because you're not a crippled spider
>>750184925The fuck Sokka doing there?
>>750198518Simple filter for tieflings is to force them to roll on the old chart. Donutsteels will be filtered on sight while those legitimately interested will just integrate it into their character without issue.
>>750184925>Incel noises the thread SEX WITH THE TIEFLING RETARD BLUEBERRY CUNT SEEEEEXHORN GRABBING TAIL PULLING BALL BUSTING BAREBACK SEEEEEXSEEEX
>>750187771>forced out of the industryIs that gonna be the new copeIf the industry was the problem you'd be seeing alt-right indie kino on Steam
>>750184925That cartoon is painful when they speak in millenial slangsAnime style and humanoid characters look terrible in western animation of Sword and Magic. Beanmouths should fit better in this genre.
>>750199806>Anime style and humanoid characters look terrible in western animation of Sword and Magic.Explain why other than it offending your weeb sensibilities.
>>750186306/thread
>>750184948Thanks bahamut, I profoundly dislike pre 3.5 dnd
>>750185409>IT'S BECAUSE OLD GOOS NEW BAD>HERE'S CHERRY PICKED PASSAGES FROM BOOKS WITH TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF BOOKS TO PROVE OLD THINGA WERE GOOD AND NEW THINGS ARE BAD AND RUINING EVERYTHINGIt's funny how individualist people on this site purport to be while acting like mindless cattle
>>750190720wizard stuff
Honestly, a lot of this arose from theater kid cartoonfags infesting every western industry.Everyone who likes cartoons these days is not a nerd, but a theater kid faggot, as such everything they make is going to be tailored towards the tastes of faggy, lame theater kids, who are not nerds.This is why modern fantasy is absolute fucking dreck that makes fucking isekaishit look competent; 90% of it is made by and for theater kids.
>>750185409Lotr is highly overrated in terms of actual writing quality and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>750184925>>750184948There are no good games with the above aesthetic.>but BiowareBG1 + BG2 are closer to the bottom than the top.
>>750200096>Angry zoomer noisesI would tell you to get a job, but I know that's not possible.
>>750185489I honestly didn't even notice until you pointed it out. I've seen that picture a million times and it's never even occurred to me. The art is cool, she's hot as fuck.
>>750192643Howard was always better than Tolkien.
>>750199280There is always someone tired of solutions to problems
>>750184948>>750184925I don't mind the chicks, the male characters look just godawful. What is the pink thing supposed to be? What is the green thing supposed to be?
>>750184925>Lists a bunch of woke stuff that ruined nerd culture>A picture that screams gay woke tumblr artstyle that has ruined nerd cultureYeah it's wokes.
>>750185409>compares LOTR to some literally who contemporary novelRetard detected. Compare the novel to Dragonsbane or literally anything that's less cliche and vulgar to bring up than fucking LOTR
>>750200476>A picture that screams gay woke tumblr artstyle that has ruined nerd culture>it's just animeMakes you think
>>750185154>the beholderIgnoring everything else, this is so fucking stupid. Beholders are alien by design. They do not view others, even other Beholders are sentient things worthy of respect. They are arrogance incarnate. Most would call them evil beyond evil but that's not even correct because of how utterly alien their thinking is meant to be. They simply do believe that they are above everything else, in their eyes it's like asking you to think about every step you take because you could accidentally kill an ant.
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>>750190265
i never cared for critical role, TAZ was okay until the politics and nonbinary characters, avantris is still fine and never got political after years
>>750186136Still salty how badly the movie handled that part. Her scene in the book was absolute fucking kino and worthy of respect. If you wanted some gay "girlboss" moment, the book version was infinitely better. Actually cool, it was.
>>750188103This is a fetish btw.
>>750200563We could compare it to "Songs of Ice and Fire".I quote: "Each stool was looser and fouler than the last". Just for context: They aren't complaining about shoddy carpentry. And the very vivid description goes on for half a page.
>>750200204This is also true
>>750200578No it's not just anime, it's modern woke tumblr style that is influenced by anime.
>>750184925Critical Role damaged Pen and Paper the same way the iPhone damaged the internet.
>>750186271Third movie was pretty long, it makes sense they cut it. Better to trim it and have her say I GOTS DA PUSSY for brevity.
>>750200578>>it's just animeThe only people who think the OP is "anime" are cartoonfags, since their only interaction with anime is via tumblr reposts.
>>750199805We are sar?
What if they drew it like this instead
>>750200689Why must we exclude unseemly things from literary depiction? Are they not part of our lives and our very being? Do we not lose something by pretending to be better than what we are, animals that defecate and urinate still?
>>750200664To be fair, I get why they did it. While her speech in the book was pretty fucking cool, I think in the movie it would have felt too long and kind of stilted. I think they still did her character justice in the end.
>>750200834>AI removed the five o'clock shadow because the slop it's trained on is allergic to anything more masculine than an Asian twink
>>750199323>capeshit used to signal you as a friendless, degenerate nerdSo did being into fantasy RPGs
>>750200701Rance at 65 still got it I see.
>>750200878There is depiction and there is just pure fetishism and voyeurism. While I can imagine cases in which something can be of legitimate artistic value and still be the latter, this scene is not it. It's vulgar for the sake of being vulgar.
>>750197395Modern marriage aka open relationship, every fucking LA related individual is into this.
>>750194198Is shit like this that drove me even more to battletech, sojados ruins everything.>>750194557Unionized voice actor circlejerk.>>750197471Modern normalfags are attwhores desperate to be part of something in their miserable lives.I blame g4tv for the "gamers are cool" shit.
>>750189784at least he's cursed to play 5e for the rest of his life
>>750200586In the 50s you got to have a loli wife sporting a delicious midriff while also enjoying a flirt or two with your white gardener? ZAMN!
>>750199115>>750200096>>750200249>>750200563Okay then, here's two different works by two different authors.
>>750202159Even with some extremely fast skimming and diagonal reading the text on the right pisses me off. WHY DOES IT HAVE SO MANY PERIODS?
>>750199727Fuck back to shart Becky Braps
>>750200834Kind of fucked up how Chappy is the better artist. If I was an artist I'd be planning my suicide
>>750200701Anon, pic related is literally based on 2nd ed adnd.Even shit ass pig orcs are included.
>>750202159> —Sloppa.
>>750199115>>750200096>>750200249>>750200563>>750202362>>750202751I transcribed right half myself and now realize that I left in a bunch of typos. Here's a better version.
>>750184925That's nice and all but I will fuck the tiefling lady ok
>>750200563>some literally whoBrando Sando is literally the biggest modern fantasy author right now.
>>750202751>> —>Sloppa.I'm getting tired of seeing people say this. I still use Word 07 and if you put a - on its own it autocorrects into the em dashAnd I'm not fucking changing what program I use to write just because people have psychosis over a FUCKING piece of punctuationNIGGERS
I have never sat through an entire episode of Critical Role. The cartoons were ok, not spectacular, and somehow had too much filler for what were fairly short episodes/seasons. I have no idea how CR ever got so popular.
>>750203416>Brando Sando is literally the biggest modern fantasy author right now.And he wrote the one on the right?Holy fuck that's grim
>>750203624You are fine with the cartoons going balls cum shit fuck nut cum shit cunt spunk ass piss shit fuck every 2 seconds?
>>750187069It’s like a faggot elf version of varric, god i miss BioWare.
>>750203624it looked like the males were always nude and the females were always frumpy ie average jewish feminist media
>>750204015Yeah, we don't clutch at pearls over "cussing" in this country.
>>750202887I should really read the Conan stories sometime.
>>750186136>>750186271>>750200664https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6De3KgUO4
>>750185628You will probably dismiss me because it is crack fanfiction, but I recommend you read "A Young Girl's Weaponization of the Mythos".It's actually good and it sounds like right up your alley.
>>750184925no, its the kikes, now stfu
>>750187357They forgot the battle wheelchair
>>750184925Holy fucking shit it is the same art style over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. They cannot draw any other fucking way. I SLEEP.
>>750184925>You don't get it, it wasn't wokes and suits, it was [things made by wokes and suits]
>>750185154This probably the gayest single piece of official art I've ever seen.
>>750206508Trannies and fags love anime
>>750185068Critical Role are the only idiots who will give Sam fucking Maggs a steady writing job lmao.
Don't care. The Japs still put out some alright fantasy stuff once every couple of years.
I just ignore these things mostly and continue playing with frens. Got them to play Knave recently. B/X soon. That being said most of them really like critical role, but it's whatever, I guess. I've never watched it and have little context for it outside of some gag joke about an evil clown. It just reminds me of lolsorandum 2000's bull.
>>750203823Yep.What I don't understand is all the praise that series got to begin with. The first book is literally a 1000 page prologue and there are people out there who act like it's one of the best fantasy novels ever written.
>>750184925>RPGs were actually killed in the mid-2010s by the brutal triple whammy of woke, woke and above all else, woke
>>750202751It was written in the 1930s
>>750184925>10 hour long incel seething threadmeanwhile a sane being (me) just did this>see jester>hop on an AI chatbot>write a 10.000 word smut about how she rides my dick dry>cum buckets>move onin less than 1 hour.and you guys (inferior) are still here, clapping and chimping out over strawmen that doesn't even know you exist, desperate for that high of getting a single (you) for the copypasta you're shitting out. for 10 hours.hilarious and even more pathetic than AI slop.
>>750186193You see, the former requires talent AND effort.The latter just takes a series of checklists.
>>750185449I'm going to blame the publishers who have a major influence on what people read.
>>750203257this brat reminds me of a certain draenei
>>750185154The smiling cacodemon always make me laugh.
>>750206508At least it's not calarts.
>>750202887I would reckon right has better worldbuilding though because isn't Conan just a series of disconnected stories?
