This is fundamentally the reason why Japanese gamers don't want to preserve anything, and see games only as ephemeral. They don't actually see it as art. They say they do, but they don't. They treat their art their country makes with respect and preserve it. Fundamentally the idea of preserving a video game to them is like saying you're going to preserve an egg salad sandwich forever. They can't conceive of why you'd do that, especially because newer sandwiches have better ingredients. It's very strange but been written on.
>>750277183The medium is the message.
Sorry Mustafa, you're not going to make me hate the Japanese.
>>750277183I don't think you actually read the article
I mean, look at shit like Evangelion or Xenogears, pretentious database slop. Shallow characters, shitty writing, tons of namedropping
>>750277578It's not about Japan as a whole, it's about otaku culture/database consumption.
Isn't it more because Japan is 99% city and there are retro video game stores on every block selling classic snes games for $5'It's also why they don't understand online multiplayer, because in Japan everyone is a weaboo nerd gamer and they all live within walking distance of each other.
>>750277183I don't think this means what you think it means. This is more about people who read Evageeks religiously and care more about the origins of the Chamber of Guf than they do about characters and themes.
>>750277183Is this the JCP faggot who seethed over otaku suggesting they only watch anime and read manga to catalog a collection of pretty lolis like trophies and totally don't like the media they spend hours on? Anyway, videogames aren't art and never will be.
>>750277659this is bait and you are little bitch
>>750277813what is art then?
>>750277578Don't worry. Japan will be a majority muslim by 2100
>>750277729Most Japanese live in the city but Japan actually is mostly mountains and forest. It also has a lot of Americanesque sprawl an parking lots. The islands are huge.
>>750277183>They don't actually see it as artAnd they're right
china and korea shills are getting uppity
>>750277841I just find stuff like this overrated: characters repeat the moral ten times in a heavy handed superficial way, they undergo character development in just two dialogues, and there's an absurd lack of trust in the audience's intelligence. The best part is they pretend to be "philosophical work", when they're really just poorly executed genre pieces.
>>750278042No, when it's them it's over war crime denialism, just like when it's japan and china propaganda over korea it's about chaebol culture and when it's japan and korea propaganda about china it's about their lack of human rights. There's rules to the Asian triangular propaganda complex because it's mutually beneficial for the perpetrator and recipient.
>>750277183I read that article and I really don't get what it's about.Like it's trying to say that people enjoy long running series for the lore or a specific popular character and not for the plot.But then it's presenting this like it's a bad thing and something otaku are responsible for.
>>750278381To me it's kind of sad, they spend 10 seconds on the characters or the story, and a million hours on "wait, who is this guy?" or "where does this other one come from?". Which, I mean, is fine, but it's still just genre entertainment. It's sad to see people who genuinely think this stuff is high literature.
>>750277183It's because of Japanese copyright laws, and lack of foresight. Only when something has fallen into public domain can it be preserved and made available to the public, and no one is doing that. They also just assumed that people would always be playing the game on its original console. So if someone in 2035 wanted to play Final Fantasy VI, they would dust off an old SFC and play it on an SD CRT TV.
>>750278646and for disc rot/bit rot?
>>750278381It's incoherent pseudbabble with a catchy buzzword name that means whatever you want it to mean.
"Otaku works aren't high art"fags can't explain Monogatari.
>>750278831>incoherentwhy?
>>750277183Americans invented that shit with Star Wars/Trek
>>750277813They like the funny girls doing cute things but do they actually like the specific characters or just vague concepts? It comes from the fact that you could take the vague concepts they like and apply anything to it and they'd love it. They like the narrative tropes not actual stories or meaning.
>>750278854I didn't watch it butcomplicated =/= deepLook:"Otaku works aren't high art"fags can't explain Kingdom Hearts.
>>750278381It's basically about fandom. Many consumers of fiction don't engage with it for its primary writing but for its downstream subculture, fanworks, extraneous lore autism, etc.
>>750277183Japanese are so brainwashed is kinda sad
>>750278963Kingdom Hearts wouldn't even pass for a children's media franchise if it originated entirely in the West. Most Kojima films would be B movie tier that would be cult classics for "so bad they're good" material.
>>750277183Elon must apologize for exposing japanese autism to the entire world through twitter, japanese have had their reputation destroyed at the same level of india and way faster as well
>>750278932Indeed, the characters are made with a cookie cutter, almost like they were serial produced, with very rigid and always identical archetypes. I mean commercial works, but well, they are made on purpose to cause immediate involvement because they are recognizable.
>>750278907>>750278996Ebert was right about fandom culture btw
>>750278963Monogatari isn't really complicated, in fact the pattern of its arcs tends to be a problem suddenly being solved in a simple way that makes all the fretting pointless. It has pretty deep themes relating to how you think and process things even if it primarily uses it to drive comedy.
>>750277636Nobody ever does. See for example >>750277758 who seems to think it's about focusing on lore and world building or >>750278996 this guy who thinks it's about doujin culture. Literally none of them read, or worse, are unable to read. Google's free AI mode is probably more literate here that these people.
>>750277578Hiroki Azumi doesn't sound like a muslim name
>>750279254>Literally none of them read, or worse, are unable to read.Nice projection, here's whath is book actually says
Decidedly, otaku are the true Latter Day saints and the protagonists of an easy-does-it Apocalypse. Nothing evokes the end of the world more than a man sitting at his battlestation, swathed in the KYAAs and ATATATATAs eminating from his logitech speakers, cocooned in the solitary sacrifice of his time, indifferent even to what's happening on X since he expects what's happening to come only as the fruit of his own efforts, from exhausting the energy of a body that has in his own eyes become that of a little girls. Our ancestors, when in despair, would commit suicide by careening armor plated bulldozers through town till they could be driven no longer. The otaku commits suicide by starting a thread asking which side of the choco coronet should be eaten first. His eyes are bloodshot, semen drips from OPs mouth. Do not reply to him. He will either post a smug anime girl to laugh at you or simply carry on pasting CHRIST ON A MOPED like a man posessed.
>>750279254It's about both. I have read it. He touches on both problems.
>>750277183This is more like someone larping as a Nazi because they like the aesthetic rather than because the person agrees with their beliefs.
>>750279464That's not what his book says. That is what the book's translator says. See, you're not making a very good case for being literate here.Not only that, the translator does not say that "database consumption is about doujin culture", he says "we can find similarities between types of media consumption between fan cultures".
>>750279630I never used the phrase "doujin culture", I said consumers of fiction engage with it via its subculture
>>750278381You know star wars "glup shitto" culture? He's talking about that.
>>750279630>bro I know better than the official translator trust me
>>750279751"Doujin culture" is Japanese for "fan subculture". It's not about that. I don't know where you got that from. It's an entirely different thing.
You are what you eat
>>750279845From his book
>>750279794sometimes it's true
>his book sold 100k copies>it's basically just about the fact that mods/fandoms exist (ie humans synthesize and build upon things, which literally everyone has known since the dawn of man)>a few pseuds wrote articles on his term>this is somehow considered relevant enough to have a wikipedia articlelol. wikipedia is so fucking random man. also the part where some jap talks about "the grand narrative of bikkuriman stickers" is the most absurd sentence i've ever read, what the hell. academics are such posers, they think making up fancy terms and writing articles on things makes it relevant, when in reality no one would ever seriously use this term when it's already been so well defined and understood forever. i guess it's some kind of cognitive dissonance, that the japs have become so absorbed into lawfulness and non-piracy that the very concept of taking someone else's work and building on it is this bizarre, strange thing that must be described rather than an obvious, thoroughly described human behavior that needs no new terms
>>750278932>It comes from the fact that you could take the vague concepts they like and apply anything to it and they'd love it. Would they? Where has this been observed?>They like the narrative tropes not actual stories or meaning.Do they? Where exactly do you separate narrative tropes from actual narrative?Instantly forced to accept a retarded premise right away... not a great start. This guy's theory doesn't seem very smart or insightful.
>>750279915Where is "database consumption" mentioned on this page, pray tell? He defines the thing like 30 pages after this.
>>750279963Otaku culture is very conservative but very cool and has led to many great pieces of art being made. It essentially refutes progressivism and thus a lot of effort is dedicated to suppressing it. It threatens to destroy everything they've built. Karl Marx is having his ass handed to him by lolis.
>>750277578Are you implying what is written in the op is bad? I read it as a compliment, it explains how they're good. If you can't enjoy that...
>>750278706Good ol' shikata ga nai/mono no aware folded over a thousand times
extremely useless observation from the author.OP didnt get it and he is also a fag and a nigger.
>>750279963They're just saying, taking Evangelion as an example, about this phenomenon where fans stop experiencing the work as a unit of meaning and start consuming certain aspects of it. I don't know how to say it, the most cliché example is Asuka and Rei in any given context, totally disconnected from the reference work, everything reworked in a consumerist way. It's not necessarily the original work's fault, sometimes it is, but not in general, but yeah, we were talking about a sociological trend.
>>750279254Everyone thinks it's about whatever their personal pet issue with "fandoms" is. Nobody ever sees the truth about the whole book he wrote: He was really mad at Di Gi Charat being popular despite being shit. That is, fundamentally, what "database consumption" is all about. Nothing else.
>>750280160Read it again esl
>>750277183Can somebody explain to me what database consumption is like I'm retarded? I've read the wikipedia page twice and it all sounds like AI hallucinated nonsense to me, I vaguely garnered that someone is mad anime fans care more about the characters and want to see common tropes repeated over original narratives but what does any of that has to do with databases?
>>750279254If you're so smart, why don't you give *your* interpretation?
>>750280336>>750280238 is right, he clearly read the book
>>750280335>>750280224
>>750278381It's about stereotypes and cliches.Like when they like an anime, they like it because it has parts of what they like (ie tsundere, isekai, shoelace, etc)
>>750280113>Otaku culture (...) has led to many great pieces of art being madeYou are fat, smelly and brown.
>>750277183I don't see games as art either but I also don't want to lose them.
>>750277183Stop making these retarded threads. That's not what database consumption means and you still don't get it.
>>750277927all the good parts of japan are extremely car dependent
>>750277183literally just described every souls game, no wonder /v/edditors are so defensive
>>750280335Have AI tell you. Unironically prompt it "tell me what this means without all the obscurantism". It can save you a lot of time and is a vital tool in seeing through the enemy that uses words as weapons.
>>750280113>It essentially refutes progressivism[citation needed]
>>750280082Could you make a moe anime where all of the girls are anthropomorphic pieces of literal shit with big anime eyes, colorful hair, and have them all act like tropes?
>>750280224>fans stop experiencing the work as a unit of meaning and start consuming certain aspects of itSo, how likely do you suppose it is that some people do this after they've already consumed the main narrative, and were perfectly capable of enjoying both aspects but then some fag came along and decided to make up a problem they could get mad at while crying about postmodernity?video effin games
>>750277183>don't want to preserve anythingIt's the exact opposite. They want these ideas to last forever even if they have to become caricatures of themselves and completely lose all of its original meaning to do so.
>>750277927>It also has a lot of Americanesque sprawl an parking lotsgenerally you see that in the exurbs a fair distance from the big cities but still within commuting distanceplaces like utsunomiya
>>750280373The couch is waiting for you
The latest jp hatred is weirdly coming out of mudslime.I saw a lot of turkish crying and spamming when they tried saying the japanese were pedophiles and some jp responded with "www you're muslim" and mentioned childbrides.
>>750280335it is genuinely not a well thought out concept at all.all the examples are washy as hell.closest cohesive thing is that he is basically seething about artists utilizing archetypes that are already established.he'd prefer it if works focused on a narrative starring gray plastic characters I guess.
>>750280682Something about asians on twitter mocking the retards burning down France lately
>>750280682It is nips hating on everyone not buying into their LN retardation and saving face. Everyone else are there solely to extract seethe from their replies
>>750278996but how is that bad?and how is it fundamentally different from how high literature is consumed?i don't think any literary theorist claims that when you read fine literature you're getting the exact ideas that the writer had in mind i think >>750278831 might be onto something
>>750280796LN? Light novels?
>>750280796>nooo it's not us picking fights and getting ownedlmao i've never seen such a sad bunch as the turkroaches spam-raging in turkish
>>750280317Ok>This is fundamentally the reason why Japanese gamers don't want to preserve anything,Good> and see games only as ephemeral. Good>They don't actually see it as art. Good>They say they do, but they don't. Good>They treat their art their country makes with respect and preserve it. Good>Fundamentally the idea of preserving a video game to them is like saying you're going to preserve an egg salad sandwich forever. Good>They can't conceive of why you'd do that, especially because newer sandwiches have better ingredients. Great!>It's very strange but been written on.Good, I guess they just don't understand. Good
>>750280682its french arabs and nigs who are melting down over japan because the french equivalent of hood weebs said that luffy would totally loot the apple store in the name of justice like they just did and the japs didnt agree.meanwhile turks are beefing with chinese for whatever reason.
>>750280839Lawful Neutral. Fucking hell once upon a time /v/ had regular alignment chart threads and now newfags don't even know the absolute basics.
>>750280903Why do you pretend like you don't play old games
>>750277183I blame media literacy
>>750280976desu I know the chart and I would not associate LN with that, especially in the context of japanese.
>>750280910>turks are beefing with chinese for whatever reasonYou know what is happening in Northwest China?
>>750281063Why? Nips are textbook example of LN. Law is a law and should be followed to a dot.
>>750280562>Persona 3 chads>big JRPGs enjoyers, enjoy the innovative take on the gameplay, thinks the social sim aspect enhances the immersion and narrative>Persona 5 fans>only care about the characters, hate JRPGs, hate turn based gameplay, in fact would rather skip the game and watch a let's play>new Fire Emblem game is now more social sim than game and is filled with browns since browns are like the majority of the Persona fanbaseDo you see how some fans are not the same as others and how it can be a problem?
>>750281212No. Did chinks oppressed uyaghurs especially hard recently and roaches sperged over it or something?
>>750281212genuinely nobody cares about uyghurs.especially not turks. they got beef with their own muslim minorities.>>750281246they are that I still wouldnt think of the chart if someone used the abbreviation LN in that context I have never seen anybody shorten those terms like that.
>>750281279I don't see, actually, I think if you're enjoying yourself and getting something from a piece of media then you are winning. Those are all problems that relate to a desire to control how others engage with media.
>>750277659Or anything japanese, lol
>>750277183https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW6sEkTGbUcCOUNTER-ACTION RISING!
>>750280562Sure, plenty of people do both, and Azuma doesn’t deny it. His point is that for some works there’s no main narrative to consume first. Di Gi Charat started as a mascot with no story at all. The fragments came first.
This is literally just the basis of r34 porn.
>>750277183Don't the Japanese know it's pointless to make new sandwiches? They'll never be able to recreate the soulful, rustic sandwiches that have survived for millenia
>>750281423No, the West does it too. Look at The Matrix, Baudrillard’s book is literally a prop, and Baudrillard himself said they misunderstood him. It’s not a Japanese thing, it’s a pretentious writing thing. Japan also gave us Kurosawa.
>>750281517That is then the form that piece of media took, and since it did so in a way that didn't conform to expectations some placed of it, someone decided that that must be a problem somehow, instead of just being a different mode of enjoyment.
>>750277729this is literally why.
>>750281739Right, in fact Azuma doesn’t make value judgments. He just says this new mode of consumption emerged, and even “animal” is meant in a technical sense. Honestly, the only thing that bothers me is when database stuff gets passed off as deep literature.
>>750281517there must be a gorillion works throughout the millenia where the narrative came later or took a back seat.like tales of historical characters that might be exaggerated or completely new as an example.I just dont think its a useful concept to define at all.
>>750280335You know how people will just ship characters? Basically that but anything fan made.
>>750281857Certainly different standards for judging value will always exist, and the standards are different depending on group values and time period, and I just like the genki archetype and will prioritize works containing them while also enjoying any bonus actual narrative. But, I'm going to go play some video games now.
>>750281915It is stupid how it is considered intellectual by some nowadays to suggest that entertainment media can focus too much on being entertaining when that was the focus for most of history. What does "narrative" even mean to these guys? They probably just hate stuff that doesn't push some shitty agenda.
modern anthropologists be likesecondaries diluting my fandom !!!!
Idk man. Japs' opinions on piracy, are retarded, but this discourse making them more racist against brownoids, is probably a good thing.
>>750283394japs outward opinion on piracy is not bad anyways.there is generally zero benefits to blubbering about piracy online. it only draws the ire of corporations towards piracy projects. and now we got the new cancer on the block which is bot swarms that mass download shit from pirated sites, killing them because the hosts cant afford them anymore.retarded latinx also killed some emulation projects on android because they kept harrassing devs.its something everybody needs to shut up about and do in silence, at most shared with friends and family.the polar opposite to their stance is the brown third worlder who will openly brag to nintendo about pirating the game they just released right under their twitter ad for the game, while directly linking to the piracy site he got it from, and then throwing a tantrum when said site disappears.also as a pirate myself I WANT people to buy games anyways. they should buy them so that I dont have to.
>>750280372Yeah it shows in their fanworks its all really shallow stuff or slice of life, I don't think I've ever seen any sort of Death Battle/powerscaling content equivalent from that region.Why is that? Do they just never conceptualize the entire character ever?
>>750277578You're never going to be a woman either but you're a bit quiet on that aren't ya
>>750277183I don’t really care what Japanese people on twitter think about pirating games desu
What's with all the retarded "please hate the japanese" posts lately? Are the jews getting desperate?
>>750283826Piracy only really started getting cracked down on hard when trannies and redditors latched on to it and openly posted about it to corporate accounts thinking they were destroying capitalism or something. These arrogant fools turned it into some weird ideological thing instead of just doing it when needed and keeping quiet. They ruined piracy and mean that even stuff that used to be low risk in the past like anime torrenting are now potentially at risk.
>>750283826there's a difference between not saying anything about piracy and moralfagging about how it's bad retard
>>750283951Mudslimes and beaners grasp at every straw no matter how petty to gaslight White people into hating Japan.
>>750280335>>750277183>>750277758>>750279254>>750280695Holy shit bros, get it together.The concept is a bit fuzzy yes, but the idea is that instead of a story or a "moral" people focus on specific tricks or character types.It's like watching the Matrix only for the 3d slow-mo effect and being a "fan" of movies with that specific effect.And yes it also applies to moe/ecchi fetish because you don't actually care about the character as an individual you just like the cute/erotic actions it does.
>>750285807No it's about how people on fandom twitter make me mad
>>750277183>consumption
>>750284352the big crackdown started after emulators hit the iphone store.so definitely third worlders.>>750284567wrong.
>>750285807If Shinobu was a fagpusher or redditard and not a based kakaka wise lolipire who forms a beautiful romance with a human I wouldn't like her as a character. I also like that she is beautiful. This guy's point is stupid. He sees something he willingly doesn't understand and insists that there must be no "content" to the narrative or whatever and that people don't actually care for the characters beyond the labels. This is proven false by the Japanese repeatedly who will refuse some of the nicest stuff just because of small things they disagree with like the interesting original anime that was sniped for mocking smokers. This guy is essentially abusing the fact that we have found media made by like minded individuals so we enjoy it in multiple ways. He is one of those "it must challenge the audience" retards and by challenge the audience he means push his ideology whether we agree with it or not.
>>750277183Games aren't art. They may contain certain parts that can be considered art, like the story, music, ideas and such, but games themselves are not art, just the medium that allows the user to experience it.But I disagree with your take that the entire Japan culture is against preserving gaming and the food analogy is bad, some would argue because it's food analogy I would argue because having a magical fridge called HDD that can output and offer to anyone free sandwiches forever then choosing to not preserve them is, frankly, retarded.Why are we still arguing with this statement of games being art or not in the first place? It should be special to you, for no reason in particular other than your resonance with it.
>>750277183what the fuck does this mean? like eating a burger individually by bread, lettuce etc?
>>750277183If art means westoid woke shit then I'll take the Japanese approach.
>>750285807but this is still stupid.there have always been people focused on that. people who only like samurai or knight media or specific genre aspects instead of strictly just the plot.its useless to even point this out.
>>750285807Westoids do that since forever.Bible citing rednecks, who hate liberal jesus one example.Another - all that trekkies - stereotypical fat nerds who know everything about construction of warp drive, these days complain about niggers, fags, women and communism invading their hobbies. They don't care about humanistic narrative - only care about memorizing all Shit Gluppos.
>>750287205Yeah I don't think the point is very strong but if you reduce to be more specific, it is indeed sad that more complex things have been replaced with more animalistic simple pleasures like sexy girls and fights. Not that these should not exist but they should be like spice, not the base.>>750287054That's an interesting point but I feel you're mistaking the point for literary symbolism/interpretation. I'm not sure what "the guy" actually said, but from the wiki it seems to be about simplification.>>750287450Indeed this is not new.About Start Trek fans not liking libshit being hypocritical, I don't think that's a fair point. I'm pretty sure most people like things IN SPITE of wokeshit that gets forced in there.I love Mirror's Edge but I don't necessarily agree with it's anti-authoritarian messaging.
>>750277183but this theory falls down when you consider that jap wikis etc. are fucking dogshit compared to western ones
>>750277914You're retarded. It's going to be majority Hindu by 2050.
>>750285807The actual best example of this is Godzilla, how many times have you heard of someone who watches Godzilla movies and is just totally tuned out when there aren't monsters fighting?
>>750284352I don’t understand faggots who openly brag about piracy, are they just dumb?
>>750287450jesus is not a liberal and there is nothing hypocritical about enjoying prime star trek f you're not a fag enabler.
>>750277183good thing more and more japanese games are getting released on GOG
>>750288780yes. mostly insecure.
>>750288885Is the whole "muh VISA porn ban" drama fake?GoG sells some really hardcore eroge.
>>750289058its extremely selective.
Why is everyone taking English localizations and the English language wikipedia article as primary sources, instead of looking at what the theorist actually wrote?
the epic japanese reader has entered the thread
>>750289058Cards sometimes being linked to censorship pushes has a history much longer than the most recent issue. But yes it was pretty much overstated in part because supporters of activist groups who also pretend to participate in otaku communities wanted a favorable target to blame everything on to turn attention away from their groups. Japanese are pretty good at ignoring gaijin by this point and most censorship in America is only performative. Those like Steam reviewers and localizers largely make up shit to claim why they supposedly can't host lewd (often even mild) content of Japanese origin. But the internet is full of doomers who'll endlessly repeat these narratives because they are just like that. Japanese stuff is definitely suppressed to make it harder for us to access by various groups. But it is also available in many other places because it isn't actually illegal and you can often continue selling it by simply saying no when asked to remove it and by making sure you don't hire idiots. A lot of the peak censorship era was literally just evil people exploiting cowards.
>>750277183Isn't this about gelbooru tags?
>>750289985no because nips are too cucked to have boorus
>>750290018Okay but it's the same thing: consuming the moe elements instead of the whole character
>>750290018You say this but the guy who runs gelbooru is a massive fag and the quality of the site has gone downhill with barely in screencaps being posted anymore and it generally being taken over by /trash/tier shit. I've never seen Japanese have their Internet places become so cucked.
>HELLO FELLOW 4CHAN-GOERS, WE ALL HATE JAPAN AM I RIGHT?This is just getting pathetic
>>750290129if i go on gelbooru to look for fanart of a character i like, how am i "consuming the moe elements instead of the whole character"?
>>750277183It's becoming trendy to shit on Japan and anime again. Mainly because westoids are realizing japs do not look at anime like they do and they are starting to understand why japan churns out so much slop intentionally such as isekai. It isn't that they are oblivious it is that many love the tropes attached to the slop and do not give a shit about the plot like the westoids do. They are fundamentally different, one conceptualizes it as a focal point the other doesn't care and wants it to be made so they can look at tits bounce in wacky scenarios.
>>750290363>>750290643>Japan = Anime slopNo. Japan isn't BAKA HENTAI
theoretically if japan was nuked right now, do you guys think they will change their mind to preserve things, like their life? like a family photo.
>>750290643A bunch of fags flooded the hobby and pushed it into mainstream due to lockdown. Then they started freaking out as they realized that the Japanese churn out the shit they consumed like shonen and isekai so they can put all the effort and funds behind passion projects like Loli-chan's Bathtime and Moe Girls Panty Adventures. They couldn't handle this and are essentially ragequitting animanga and acting all bitter and pissy towards Japan to justify it. The era of the Crunchyroll weeb is collapsing.
>>750288676As they should, why the hell would you watch a kaiju movie and not want to see the big monsters beat up each other?
>>750290643Why not have a good plot and wildly bouncing tits at the same time? The 2 don't have to be mutually exclusive.
>>750290451Because after that you browse 20 minutes of "see-through shirt"+"tank top" and you realize you mostly liked her for that things
>>750290995It's also mostly COVID numbers dying off, you see it in every sector of entertainment. People that thought COVID weebs/COVID vidya sales etc would be the new normal were low IQ.
>>750291159well that doesn't describe me
>>750291027Cloverfield did it better with the whole human perspective and the aftermath of an "alien kaiju attack"
>>750291158Ask the Japanese
>>750279254Add me to the list of people who didn't read the article. I can only do so many paragraphs before I see it's mumbo jumbo, like how you have to publish a thesis to get a PHD and you don't have an original idea in the current year after everything has been figured out so you just write bullshit that vaguely describes things that are true in way.
>>750291210Clovefield was made with the humans perspective in mind, the other kaiju movies don't get that fucking excuse.You better have Godzilla using a hugeass atomic breath against Mothra with peak destruction and causing tsunamis or you can piss off.
>>750287205You just figured out sociology and literary criticism, make grand obscurant extrapolations about obvious things people already know. They can't disprove it so you must be a genius or something.
>>750278216>War crime denialismThe subhumans you kill have to be people for there to be a war crime.
>>750277183Preservation is entitlement. If you actually respect the art you would let it go. Westoids will never understand this.
>>750277183All this has taught me is Japan's creators and consumers are subhumans that clap at the stupidest shit
>>750291595there are much more useful concepts in both fields.
>>750281212Literally no human being on this planet gives a single solitary fuck about anything that happens in China. We only care when the Chinks leave and try to bring their human plague elsewhere. No exceptions.
>>750280335an author is usually trying to say something when they create a work, like an overarching meaning/moral/point they're trying to get across.this guy argues that a lot of audience dont even engage with that and just like the pretty characters or the fights or how colorful it is.he looks down on these people because they "dont get it" but this assumes what the author was trying to get across was even worth it.
>>750285807>you don't actually care about the character as an individual you just like the cute/erotic actions it does.You just summarized the male opinion about every woman that has existed.
>>750291754not the anon, but i honestly i would care if they somehow started having beef with NK which could kick of a nuclear war.
>>750287450>Another - all that trekkies - stereotypical fat nerds who know everything about construction of warp drive, these days complain about niggers, fags, women and communism invading their hobbies. They don't care about humanistic narrative - only care about memorizing all Shit Gluppos.This is a perfect example if you didn't watch star trek, and star trek was exactly what people who didn't watch it expect it to be. In reality star trek is just Roddenberry's idea of an ideal civilized human culture expressed as a monoculture in the federation. TOS is just 1960s american progressive culture, TNG is just 1990s american progressive culture. In fact the strangest thing about it is humans are this monoculture that gets along and you need aliens with ridiculous beefs to cause any conflict. Meanwhile geographically I can travel america in 2026 and find stranger cultures that are more difficult to co-exist with than ones I saw on star trek.
>>750277183I'm just narratively illiterate, I can read a story and get into it but I can't GET into it's deeper meanings like others can, like how a novel is actually about the commentary about war, social issues etc...
>>750292047I don't think you're illiterate, most popular videogame/anime stories are pretty basic, fans just invent random bullshit to make it look deeper
>>750291942Nta but I would be amused if China and North Korea got into a nuclear war just as I was really hoping the India Pakistan thing a couple months back would explode. A localized nuclear war would be interesting to watch. As for the drifting cloud or whatever, that shit is really overstated.
>>750292212>India and Pakistani thought they were already throwing missiles at each other did that already end?
>>750277183SAYWOOWOOWOOWOO
>>750279254I read this part of the article. I think I understand everything I need to know. It's all postmodernism, and so on, and so forth.
>>750277183I think I remember a similar concept in high school. 'mono-no-aware'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_no_awarehttps://medium.com/fashion-police/a-sense-of-things-8ad7a8a6198bhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeral_art
>>750294742I hate how nekomimi has been turned increasingly into a furfag thing/a separate race over the years and we rarely get instances of it just being used for moe anymore. It feels like every time it is used now it is like a nekomata from Disgaea except with nowhere near the soul.
>>750296623It's still used like that... in gacha games.The ultimate final form of "database consumption"
>>750277183>/v/ largely agrees that otaku are quite literally obsessed with material consumption of their hyperfocuses and a huge part of it spans from mental illness because the country is mentally fucked inside and out, just as much as the obsessive market cashes in on it and takes full advantage of them in order to rake in the cash from the obsessive otaku market>one fucking guy gives this concept an actual name and someone finds a fuckass wiki article about the fact>MELTY MELTY COPE SEETHE THIS GUY IS A RETARD>NUH UH THIS FAG IS SAYING ANIME CANT BE ART THIS IS ROGER EBERT 2.0>MUH TRANIME MUH VIRTU SIGNALINGanti-intellectualism is the peak of faggotry on all accounts, and heel turning the most popular and widely accepted opinion that is objectively fucking correct just because there's now a wikipedia article with a name attached is genuine anti-intellectualism kneejerk. you need to be 18 to use this fucking website.
>>750293447it was quite literally a weekend war. a couple missiles were fired, both governments realized they're in houses of cards and if shit escalates they're fucked economically, and they wrapped it up with each side saying they scared the other to preserve izzat
>>750297985No one ever largely agreed with the Japan hate you peddle. You are just now paying attention to the pushback.
>>750298416Japan ISN'T anime, anime is just a commercial aspect of it, a garbage one
I'm too stupid to understand what that means and that is good because its one less thing for me to be angry about
>>750298416This has nothing to do with CURRY EVENTS, this has everything to do with the fact that this was an extremely hot button topic in the late 90s and early 2000s of Japanese media and economic criticism. In fact, there used to be very hot debates on how Japan handled its economic and cultural boom in the 80s and 90s as the direct fault towards the capitulation towards the obsessive market in the 2000s; because while animation and video games were popping off hardcore around that time, environmentalism and cultural preservation for traditional arts started to hit a massive, massive decline. Rakugo, for example, very nearly reached a point where one could consider it going extinct. It would be like if stage plays in the US became so rare that the 'theater kid' insult lost all of its teeth and edge and was no different than calling someone a 'lacross player'.
>>750277183>do not consume a narrative but rather consume the constituent elements of the narrativeQRD? Is this just a pretentious term for making a hodgepodge of different elements from random works held together with tape?
Ever since I saw a japanese saying that he would be fine with slavery if it were legal during the whole Nier server thing, I realized these people barely qualify as human and are more like actual,sheep in the way they thinkThey are literally brainwashed from a young age to respect those above them more than anything, never question authority and always go with the flow. It's a waste of time trying to argue with them because they are fundamentally different from westerners. Japanese society is a hivemind of brainwashed subservient cattle and it's better to just ignore them and let them seethe
>>750299741>I saw some retard writing something online>therefore I'll assume his opinion mirrors that of everyone in his countryand I thought people on here were retarded for thinking /v/ is one person
>>750277841lol, he thinks criticising his puddle depth media is a bat
>>750299741>would be fine with slavery if it were legalI actually understand this, from a practical viewpoint that benefits me at the expense of others. I broke my foot a few years ago and ended up hiring a housekeeper. It was expensive, but absolutely worth it. Now imagine having all those benefits without having to pay a cent. I can easily rationalize slavery now.
>>750299882As expected of a Jew.
>>750299850That type of thinking where law equals morality is how all of them think, lolGo on xitter and see for yourself
The original meaning is retarded.I think I'd rather take the definition of people who focus on lore/worldbuilding/magic systems/powerlevels rather than the actual story and meaning behind a piece of art.
>>750299882The Japanese guy would've been saying it in the way of that he wouldn't rock the boat anyway. Yet again, Japan hate is just thinly veiled hatred of conservativism as an ideology. They hate the idea that there are some people not seeking endless change for changesake. They hate the idea that there is an entire country of over 100 million that mostly think like this and entertain many of their domestic opponents who share the ideals of this country to varying degrees.
>>750300176>xitter retards represent a countryjesus, you keep getting dumber by the minute
>>750301360>site with millions of japanese users isn't a good way to gauge how they feel about thingsYou don't need to defend them, weeb-kun
Now you understand why china and korea also loves transient media like mmos and live service. They see video games as junk food. Something you experience once and move on to the next content. Not something obsessing with and having to replay over and over. The very idea of replays in a non sandbox game in the first place is weird to me. Only strategy games like total war or sandbox rpgs like skyrim or fallout are excempt to me regarding this
>>750301934Korea might have bad taste in games, but it is actually the country most serious about gaming. There it is treated as some weird profession thing. It is why most videogames historically struggle to sell in Korea and when they get special version of mainstream consoles, they are often loaded with educational games. Either they are young and learning from games or they are grown and doing Esports for money and family honor. I remember reading on this once, it is weird and goes deep. A lot of them also just play in special computer places where they can pay to do their competitive game session or whatever.
>>750302085Regarding vidga autism, well youtubers like ongbal prove that. Dude can beat almost every parryslop game with his eyes closed. Then again how do you even enjoy games with such mastery anymore.
>>750277183As I've grown older, I have come to realize most Asians genuinely have no culture whatsoever. The term "bug people" is not too far from the reality they live in. I think that's also why both Asian men and women have no problems race mixing. They literally don't care about anything. It's honestly fucking depressing once you've visited Japan a few times like I have because it becomes strikingly obvious that their entire society is a zombie culture. Nothing matters to them and nothing is sacred. They would have about as much moral qualms against killing their own children as they would have about losing their property rights. They literally just don't give a fuck about anything and it makes me wonder how the fuck these civilizations lasted this long.
>>750277183This actually perfectly explains why Boruto is a thing that exists. The point of Boruto isn't to tell a story, it's to remix elements from Naruto and serve it on a different platter.
>>750277578I agree I love japan sir
>>750277183Can you imagine a random Japanese gamer in the 90s thinking Chrono Trigger or FF6 isn't worth preserving?
>>750281623yeah but they will spend 50 or more years of their lives trying, mastering the practice, then they will make a book or movie or anime with a character proving some master's sandwich and looking into the sky and going like "U-U-UGHH WOOAAA!!!" saying they found it [insert japanese only word with very specific meaning here] and that's remarkable
>>750277183I don't see them as art but I still want them preserved. Because they were better than the new ones.
>>750302552They arent. Most people are looking forward to gta6.
>>750302536Indians are like the guy who is based but lives in a shitshack full of trash and acts retarded in public.
>>750281527now I understood the concept
>>750277183That's great for them but I don't really give fuck what they think.
>>750277183Reminds me how the Japanese Sonic fanbase genuinely sees nothing wrong with the video games or how any of the characters are written. I remember at one point thinking that those people seem to just like the character showing up at all and everything else is side dressing at best. It's fucking weird dealing with people who think of media like this. I don't understand how you can look at a good video game or movie or show and say it's "outdated" because it's old. These people seem to genuinely hate the very concept of culture itself.
>>750280910If Luffy ever felt like robbing something, it would be tasty food and not iphones
>>750302764>and say it's "outdated" because it's oldWere you here when Silent Hill 2 Remake launched? The praise for that horseshit and disdain for the original was pulsing through every relevant thread. Zoomers who found 4chan during lockdown are the worst.
>>750302536>presenting enemies as common ground>completely ignoring shintoismJeets once again proving they're terrible at putting together arguments
>>750302630That says>a random Japanese gamer in the 90s A Japanese gamer wouldn't know what gta6 is in the 90s
>>750303351Havent player either those games in the 90s since I was a blizzard and crpg fag back then. Were they mainstream games? My point being that normies dont care about preservation and only want latest popular game.
>>750302536die
>>750277183This image perfectly explains why americans and europeans are morons.
>>750303165>>750303731Cope. India loves Japan and Japan loves India.
Browns are annoying
>>750277183>OPYou've been malding and spamming this shit because they took away your turd ass piracy
>>750280775Massively based
>>750303894I'm pretty sure the entire world would be happy if India vaporized overnight, especially Japan's populace (barring the politicians)>>750303918Uh oh tendie meltie
>>750303976India is responsible for Japanese civilization via buddhism. Indians are the teachers of Asia - hence vishwaguru. Meanwhile Japan wants whites out.
>>750284132It's a new meme. Get in with the times, boomer.
>>750284132Sorry Japan isn't liked anymore. Maybe brave weeb warriors like you can defend their izzat.
>>750304324And yet India wiped out buddhism from India.
>>750304324whiteoid tourists are legit destroying Japan right now while Nigeriand and Hindu migrant workers imported to backbone Japan's failing labor and birth rates bring culture and professionalism to a declining nation
>>750304891how are whiteoid tourist destroying Japan?I'm not even a weeb or trying to defend Japan, I'm just legit curious and also a bit retarded
>>750304891Uh oh timmies aren't gonna like thisThe Africans working in Japan are some of the nicest black guys I've met btw
>>750304828This guy pisses me off. I hope a jeet wacks him in the face with a bat until his teeth fall out.
>>750305031the yen is weak so cumskins have been going there for a cheap vacation and leave absolute ruin in their wake treating the entire country like a cheap theme park
>>750279794people cry about localization in games all the time, you think books dont have it just as bad if not worse as there'sless public scrutiny?
>>750305031I don't know what caused it, but browns are upset at Japan right now for some reason, so now we're getting a bunch of Japan hate threads as a result.
>>750277183Seems like he's describing how genres form in the first place as a problem in itself, isn't this the same critique made of genre fiction? That people have become more interested in familiar themes and vibes rather than a narrative that serves only itself?That might be true but your point doesn't makes sense, what have the Japanese failed to preserve that is so precious? We have japanese games from 20 even 30 years ago on freaking Steam nowadays, i seriously hope you're not mad over some random 16 bits scrimblo bullshit being forgotten or something
>>750302536half of the things on the right are blatant lies lmao
>>750277183Or they're just a bunch of corporate bootlickers because it's a drone country slaving away for the hive and you're overthinking it.
>>750277183The Death of the AuthorNext
>>750277841this is a bot and you're an attention whore
>>750281421>Ocarina of Time fan excited to play the game for the first time
>>750306503
>>750280335It is just pretentious nippon trying to gatekeep content consumption, which have been criticized and debunked by frogman decades ago >>750306704People who are into reading and even people outside of that probably heard of that term "death of the author" once, but there is probably no one outside of this thread heard about stupid term like database consumption
>>750302764>Japanese Sonic fanbase genuinely sees nothing wrong with the video games or how any of the characters are writtenWhy OP and others ITT are singling out Japanese drones is beyond me. This type of consumerist fagdom shit is everywhere. A huge example right now is indie animation where people show up for shipping, heckin characters, yet the writing sucks ass in many of those shows. I know seasonal anime also has this issue. Not I dont mind if someone just wants to watch a quick single-season show and enjoy what they saw, but there is a large group who just likes bits of the show and rarely acknowledges the show as a whole. This can happen to anything like someone reading sparknotes and saying they are a fan of the book, or someone watching a video of a game yet refuse to even try, not beat but try, a videogameAs for your sonic fans, i genuinely feel bad for some of those fans. They really havent gotten anything good. Only decent. Yet they are still stuck with Sega so I suppose all that is left is to like bits of the characters and write fan fiction.
>>750287079Define "art".
Otakuism is just a modern expression of the Pagan Japanese Soul.The concept of "Database Consumption" is extremely retarded and is like calling the cults of ancient greece and italy "Database Consumers" because they worshipped Gods outside the total consideration of their foundational myths
>>750277183I don’t really see whats wrong with this image.Anyone that acts like a videogame NEEDS a story is just an idiot normalfaggot that probably came from movies and started playing videogames 10 years ago if they aren’t just zoomies.Videogames did not start out as a medium that told a narrative, its fine if they do and even cool but to act like you’re better because you appreciate the narrative in a videogame “better”? You’re just a normalfaggot who never liked videogames to begin with
>>750277729This why most books, anime and mangas always are Isekai.Dropping in other world is the only chance of Liminal spaces and countryside villages with a small inn
>>750308559Otakus are just terminally online faggots.
>>750283027>They probably just hate stuff that doesn't push some shitty agenda.Bingo. JP media has much less moral "lessons" which are a foundation of western works.If a westerner makes a story it's trying to pass its agenda onto the viewer 99% of the time. Japan presents the audience with a concept and don't condescend them about "being a good heckin human being" a lot more often
the entire Japanese arcade scene would be nothing without western preservation autism. Many Japs would rather die than dump prototypes or maskroms of games
>>750284132Jews, Muslims, Christians all want the world to be brown, smelly and retarded and Japan is the least brown, smelly, retarded country left
>>750308848You do know they have countryside and sparsely populated/rural areas too, and the entire country isn't just an east-asian coruscant, right anon?
>>750300429I don't see how any of that's a bad thing. I'd be happy if I made an interesting enough setting that people cared about the world beyond the story I told in it. Like, I'm sure most lore autists are ALSO fans of the story and have dissected it to death already.
>>750308706it's about anime more than video games
>>750280335Degradation of storytelling on the author's end, and media literacy on the listener's end
>>750277183>media criticism in a country = the only practical way media is consumed thereThat's terrible terrible news for wherever you're from, OP.
>>750277867Art is using a chosen form to communicate your ideas or messages creatively. Faggots put it on a high horse though so it is treated as being more then it is. Incidentally, propaganda is also communicating ideas and messages but nobody likes to acknowledge that openly.Now you know why the "vdiya is art" crowd always tend to be the type who wants to control your thoughts.
>>750300176Morality is fake and gay. There's only power.The Japanese understand Nietzsche like goymans never did
You don't even have to pirate. Some jap corpo slaves view playing old things instead of buying newest product on the same level as piracy, because you're "depriving a company of a sale". They go on and on about muh monozukuri in hardware (well not anymore, modern japaense electronics are dog shit), but then they want all software to have built in planned obsolescence.
if japanese don't believe in preservation then why do they obey the Rule of 3 and buy one to play, one to lend and one to preserve?
>>750277183I thought art was a luddite thing. With AI I can make any game I want. Isn't that what /v/ believes anyway?
>>750304828>Japan's most miserable British manUnfortunately he isn't Britain's most miserable British man, getting mugged and stabbed by niggers in London
>>750309010retard, otaku existed before the widespread internet
>>750280335It's basically just >Old Good>New BadIn regards to media consumption. In the old days, someone might like Mecha, so they pick up mecha shows from their local video store and watch a wide spectrum of content like Patlabor, Mazinger, Gundam and Macross, shows with wildly different themes and tones. As the internet grew and tagging systems became more prominent people started becoming fans of tags instead of themes. They weren't interested in stories about war, or the struggles of an oppressed people. They were interested in >Tsundere>Twintails>ForeignerAnd would pick up shows that met that criteria. As these readers and watchers became authors and animators, they would keep their lower level of media literacy and ambition and just create shows that were a collection of tropes rather than a cohesive story. It's why games that were ripping off DOOM had so much variety to them, while stories that rip off some modern day success like Solo Levelling are all:>The Necromancer of Seoul Station>The Necromancer's Solo Life in the Dungeon>I Alone Level UpIt's also responsible for the creation of template stories with template character like Isekai, Villianess, or those "I was betrayed by my party and am back for revenge" things.
>>750277183Over-preservation is a curse of the 21st century. This was a main theme of MGS2. Think of what our appreciation of Ancient Greece would be like now if we didn't just have Homer and the big 3 poets: Aeschylus, Euripides, Sophocles. But instead had thousands of authors with thousands of works of slop. Nobody would care about Ancient Greece to filter it down to the gems. The library of Alexandria burning down was a blessing, not a curse. All the slop that was lost, and only the most important works remaining is why Ancient Greece is still appreciated.
>>750277183You didn't even read the dumb screenshot you posted, you dumb faggot.
>>750299386He's talking about how some works create a "fandom" that only consumes things (tropes, styles, etc.) that resemble the works they like. But some illiterate retards here think this applies to Evangelion or isekai anime in general, with some even using "shonen" as a genre classification. This theory is decades old already and has been criticized to death. Nevertheless, it's stupid to see a trope and judge a work solely based on that, completely ignoring its narrative or purpose. This "database consumption" isn't exclusively Japanese.
>>750308848>This why most books, anime and mangas always are Isekai.I'll take you word, anime expert. I bet you watched a whole total of 5 shows and walked past 2 rows of "mangas" once.
>>750311673Over-preservation is necessary as long as copyright exists and prevents organic evolution of culture, since otherwise publishers are incentivized to repeatedly flood the market with pure slop.
>Those evil Japs care too much about piracy o algoNobody cares, fuck off brownoids.
>>750312159I don't think that's true. Especially for our future generations. The more you prune, the more you're left with what actually matters. Why preserve something with little value? Yes you should preserve Skyrim, but no you should not preserve The Coffin of Andy and Leyley or Battlefield 2042. There's too much slop that people are wasting time on when there's even good media from this generation that people haven't experienced. And it gives us room to appreciate what's from the past. Think of how many people played DMC and have no idea what the implications of the characters being named Dante and Virgil are. Or in the same vein why there's a character called Virgilia in Umineko, and Battler being the representation of Dante. This Dante and Virgil were passed down to us, and we need to choose what we need to pass down to the future.
>>750281279>>Persona 5 fans>>only care about the characters, hate JRPGs, hate turn based gameplay, in fact would rather skip the game and watch a let's playYou're describing secondaries anon. They hate the source material and only experience the game vicariously. Is this what this buzzword "database consumption" means?
>>750302584lol dumbasses. should've just ate the millenia old sandwiches with the rest of us.
I knew this had to have a namePeople do this shit so much with games it's INSANE, fucking wiki brained spergmoids
>>750277183Actually database consumption highly encourages collecting, cataloging, preserving, and archiving media, so this is a pretty poor interpretation of the concept.
>>750304669>It's a new memePeople have been throwing around the term weeaboo longer than most people on the internet have been alive.
>>750277578Nothing can make a man hate the Japanese more than the Japanese. Hundreds of anime and manga under my belt and I despise the bugmen. They can't do anything right.
>>750312569>The more you prune, the more you're left with what actually matters.You inherently have no control over what you can prune or preserve.Major companies can continue to reissue derivative, low-quality slop and also market it with no competition.>And it gives us room to appreciate what's from the past. You have always been able to do that, not everyone has a comprehensive overview of all preserved past culture.>and we need to choose what we need to pass down to the future.We have no agency in this regard due to copyright and our perspective is inherently tainted by modern culture, publishing and marketing, we are not good adjudicators of what should be preserved. You're arguing that things not surviving until the present day from hundreds of years ago is good, and are for some reason trying to argue that this process of destruction should be applied hundreds if not thousands of times faster than it has been in the past to media from just a couple of years ago.
>>750313008no one hates a certain group than members of that group
>>750313020>You inherently have no control over what you can prune or preserve.I agree to some degree. But search engines, Steam reviews, and discussions already facilitate pruning. This is natural-selection but for media. What is important remains solely because people try so much harder to preserve it and continue to talk about it. This is good, but there are archivists that work against this, trying to preserve things that don't matter.>You have always been able to do that, not everyone has a comprehensive overview of all preserved past culture.You have to have a conscious effort to. The default state is to experience media that is newly released on a regular basis, then forget about it if it's slop or remember it if it isn't. This is fine. We should not work against this normal behavior by trying to over-archive everything.>We have no agency in this regard due to copyright and our perspective is inherently tainted by modern culture, publishing and marketing, we are not good adjudicators of what should be preserved.Whether something gets preserved or not has little effect from copyright. If it is of enough value, it's existence will endure past its copyright age.>You're arguing that things not surviving until the present day from hundreds of years ago is good, and are for some reason trying to argue that this process of destruction should be applied hundreds if not thousands of times faster than it has been in the past to media from just a couple of years ago.So your claim is that I am arguing about something else, yet you were the first to respond to my argument. I just assumed you wanted to discuss my points. Now you claim my points are irrelevant... so why did you respond to my points in the first place? If your purpose is to state your points and not discuss with me, then do it without replying to me.
>>750302536>nice and smartlol>Buddhism Hinduism - similar origin and conceptsOkay, I can partially agree with that.>nice and cleanHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>Common enemies: China and MuslimsSaaar, you hate pakis too saaar???>Both love curry dishesI prefer the curry dish where the chef doesn't dip his fucking feet and dirty nails into the curry while preparing it. And I prefer it on a bowl instead of eating it on the floor.
>>750313407>So your claim is that I am arguing about something else, yet you were the first to respond to my argument. I just assumed you wanted to discuss my points. Now you claim my points are irrelevant... so why did you respond to my points in the first place? If your purpose is to state your points and not discuss with me, then do it without replying to me.My claim is more so that you would not be able to look back on important media from the past and claim that only the important things survive, if there weren't also people interested in archiving everything.Entropy would have claimed the great works of the past as well if everything had been left to personal taste.
>>750313407>If it is of enough value, it's existence will endure past its copyright age.Bullshit because plenty of lost media exists thanks to copyshit law. If it weren't for fans willing to break that retarded law, countless shows would have been lost forever.Sometimes production runs are short, other times a work doesn't get vindicated until much later, other times the producers throw away the masters without releasing a boxset (remember how the BBC overwrote Doctor Who tapes and episodes were recovered only thanks to fans taping the show?), and sometimes the media is simply faulty and dies early (see misprinted discs suffering from discrot and 3DS games dying)A long time ago I played a find the differences game called Hidden Catch 3 PLUS. I've looked it up several times across the years, but never found anything, and it's still undumped to this day. Apparently not many cabs were made, and since it's a Worst Korean game, no one outside of the country knows it exists
>>750285807This kind of sounds like a lot of westerners and anime
>databesu>popukornu>brainu surgeriohas any country been as humiliated and subjucated as japan? every time i hear shit like this in anime i feel so embarassed
>>750290643When was the last time they made good anime and gameS, they have no reason to be worshiped
>>750312262/qa/ lost
>>750313938>you would not be able to look back on important media from the past and claim that only the important things surviveTrue, what survived includes both great works and slop. What is evident is that, in an age where duplication was difficult (copying down books by hand), the most copied works were the most important, and resulted in the most copies circulated and preserved. Some slop slipped through by chance, of course.However, in the 21st century preserving is all to easy. There is no effort to preserving something. Preserving a great work takes the same effort as preserving slop. It's all files that you copy to some digital storage medium and it takes a few clicks.In this, I agree with Kojima:>Colonel: "All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate.">Rose: "It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution."We do need filtering, but let it happen naturally, through natural selection. Not by some artificial or algorithmic preservation, and especially not preservation of all the junk data.
>>750277183Sure, now go ahead and explain all the museums, and the niche stores, and the ongoing publication and celebration of Japanese works, whether manga, anime, or videogame, from decades ago that makes the West look like they can't seen beyond 20 years. Don't confuse corporations with the people. The West, including the supposed "We love our history!" Europeans, are far more myopic and disposable consumption with their entertainment and art than Japan.
>WAAAHHHH YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR WEEB SHIT WRONGimagining being this bitch-made
>>750279915So what's the problem exactly?>I made french fries with ketchup>I like your french fries but I will eat them with majonez instead>I should slit your throat and throw your carcass to the pigs!Also>hurr durr food analogyOk. Cool. You can fuck off now.
This pasta is my favorite.>>714855447
>>750277183Its just newfags and netouyo normalniggers. Barely anyone in Japan actually thinks of piracy.
>>750314387>True, what survived includes both great works and slop. What is evident is that, in an age where duplication was difficult (copying down books by hand), the most copied works were the most important, and resulted in the most copies circulated and preserved. Some slop slipped through by chance, of course.It'd be more apt to say that what survived is random or had many derivatives. This is why I said it doesn't really work with copyright, since the only reason a lot of media survived is due to unauthorized duplication and derivation to be held outside of single points of failure.>However, in the 21st century preserving is all to easy. There is no effort to preserving something. Preserving a great work takes the same effort as preserving slop. It's all files that you copy to some digital storage medium and it takes a few clicks.Copying being trivial has always increased literacy and production of new media to keep up and that's not a bad thing.>We do need filtering, but let it happen naturally, through natural selection. Not by some artificial or algorithmic preservation, and especially not preservation of all the junk data.The natural process of filtering is that everything gets preserved by someone for some reason and that we need to occasionally slap someone upside the head to keep them from taping over the staged Moon Landing tapes with reruns of Friends. There is no reason to intervene in preservation to make it more natural and preserve "what matters", because that's what makes it unnatural.
This thread basically. I really wonder how people process 2hu existence since it's the biggest example of picrel.
>>750314972>It'd be more apt to say that what survived is random or had many derivatives. This is why I said it doesn't really work with copyright, since the only reason a lot of media survived is due to unauthorized duplication and derivation to be held outside of single points of failure.This is the same as I was stating: great works will be preserved regardless of copyright, because the desire to preserve it will be so great that copyright is meaningless.>Copying being trivial has always increased literacy and production of new media to keep up and that's not a bad thing.True, but copying slop is a bad thing, and too much slop is over-archived. I think we both agree here as I don't see you advocating for the preservation of slop.In general, I am only against over-archiving beyond what is natural. These people are typically called hoarders for physical items, but here digital hoarders more accurately.>There is no reason to intervene in preservation to make it more natural and preserve "what matters", because that's what makes it unnatural.Yes, preservation to an appropriate degree is already happening naturally for most works that truly matter.
>>750313008>>750302764>the Japanese favorite genre is NTR and they love bootlicking corporations and hate game preservation
>>750277183this is what i do. if there's something i like but parts of it are cringe (so basically all fiction as well as real life) i just kind of ignore the cringe aspects and focus on what i like. i have no idea whether i misunderstood the meaning of the word though because i just database consumed that description.
>>750315393Brownoids favorite hobby is being obese, lazy and murder
>>750309170You will never be a woman
>>750281056Ironically yes. A story is at its when you can go in "blind" without the burden and expectations of having known dozens of other literary tropes.
>>750316951A story is at its best* I will now unfollow the thread and hide it and go play some video games and hope I forget about this embarrassing moment.
>>750280224>taking Evangelion as an example, about this phenomenon where fans stop experiencing the work as a unit of meaning and start consuming certain aspects of it.how is that a penomenon any different from Star Trek fans who are just really into the spaceships, or Tolkien readers who are just really into elves? Fans who are just really into specific disconnected aspects of a given IP are as old as fanbases themselves.
>>750280910GOMU GOMU LOVE THE WORLD GOVERNMENT MY FELLOW NAKAMA-TACHI!
people who think you should only look at the big picture and the message of the work and ignore all the details are mentally broken and would only be capable of producing shit art
people who think you should only look at the constituent parts and latent physical representation and ignore the bigger picture are mentally broken neo-marxists and would only be capable of producing shit woke art
>>750319228so true!!!! and people who think you should look at both are literally hitler
>>750277183Natural consequence of living in a country full of earthquakes. Traditional Japanese architecture is built from wood because it survives earthquakes better than brick or stone, but it rots or burns. They rebuild it and call it the same building.
>>750277578Yeah, they picked a losing battle here. They really want you to and think people will go along because they wrote it on 4chan. I'm just not going to do it.
>>750277183Is this just a way to say secondaries?Like those people who "like touhou" but they never played the games?
>>750288567>t. i fall for ragebait on Xitter
>>750277183muh piraacy is just a poor excuse of brownoids to bash Nips since they can’t mock them for muh mass shooting like US, being dirty like Pajeets or eing rude like Chinese or have black people chimp out like it’s happening in France.
>>750281020Move on, pussy. Even your bones and your body are ephemeral. Nothing was meant to last, nothing is meant to be "preserved" until the heat death of our sun. Stonehenge is worthless, library of congress is worthless, and ultimately you are worthless.
>>750277183>Japan has anime and Otaku philosophers BasedBeautiful principles, too. Really helps me put a story together
>>750279915Baudrillard's Simulacra describes hyperrealities though rather than simple failure to discern between originals and clones.The defining characteristic of a hyperreality is that reality has no authority or persuasive power over it despite being definite and experiential rather than hyperreal; indefinite and hypothetical.Someone in the thrall of a hyperreality is essentially psychotic.Otaku fan media isn't a hyperreality because the originating material is indefinite and hypothetical.This seems like a the writings of someone very unfamiliar with Simulacra.
>>750308559It's hard to pick the single most retarded post in this thread; there are far too many strong contenders. What I can tell you for sure is that this post is certainly one of them.
>>750313008Appreciation of Japanese culture is one of the gateways into postwoke thought, and the idea that other cultures should be celebrated for their unique perspectives at absolute arms length, rather than the woke idea that the culture must be forcibly integrated to yours in a self destructive and uncontrolled way.I am not fucking Japanese and their way of life is utterly anathematic to me, even if Dragonball Z fucking rules. It belongs to them and is made by them and I, a non-japanese, cannot reproduce Dragonball Z.And thankfully I do not have to, because we have the anime.
>>750320013no its about post-modernism
>>750297985sorry buddy, its just a piss poor concept.
>>750318413If you want an actual one piece analogy the brown rioters are the Arlong/Hody Jones pirates.
>>750312569the examples you picked show exactly why its a fucking terrible idea.
>>750277183At least Nintendo isn't this gay. They still keep everything archived and have archives of those archives. Probably because they're integral enough to the history of video games to be proud of what they made the way a craftsman admires his masterwork.
>>750280238>Di Gi Charat being shitMore like Japan taste being shit. I bet even fucking Indians would have better taste if they had brains to download animays. Fucking gacha-slurping boot licking imbeciles bullying my masterpiece, two nukes wasn't enough.
>>750279915imagine writing such slop
Browsing twitter I was shocked to learn that nips don't make the distinction between law and morality, for them these two concepts are interchangeable.I guess it explains why their society is so orderly and high trust, but it also makes discussing of piracy pointless as there's no nuance for them. It's illegal therefore it's wrong, period. The media isn't sold in your country and you were never considered a potential customer? Either travel to japan to legally buy it or give up on it.
>>750321968>>750277578this kek, the absolute mental gymnastics of these barbarians for thinking their irl/internet chimpout reflects on them well in any wayparis syndrome was already a thing, this will open even more nip eyes to the absolute state of fr*nce
>>750277578You know you can appreciate Japan while still disagreeing with nips view on piracy? What's with the black-white thinking? genuine autism?
>>750277183Its the reason they could forget Live A Live and Bahamut Lagoon. I'll decide to take my pointers from them. Its also the reason their games are better. This is the shit westoids do with Warhammer Lore.
Why does one topic always bring out spergs who insist they understand it better than everyone else
>>750333425This is a new topic so the more cancerous ones who need to be an authority on everything come out in droves.
Reminder that brownoids from France are going on an anti-Japanese tirade across all media platforms after the Nips called them a bunch of retarded niggers due to the riots.
>>750333514imagine you're out pillaging for some stuff and all you get after beating up some fat weeb is a plastic anime figureI'd be upset too
>>750305389>I don't know what caused itTekken 6 having a decomp caused Japan to go full retard and start arguing that the west as a whole is full of immoral monsters because we pirate entertainment we can't legally purchase in any way or simply because we modify games we already own. This has led to them continuing to double down on this thought process by saying all piracy is evil, slavery is more preferable to piracy, companies decide the law, the law is moral because it says it is, you shouldn't be able to obtain anything that isn't being sold anymore, Crunchyroll, Spotify, and other companies started because of piracy shouldn't exist, that entertainment is a passing fad and once it goes away no one should ever be able to enjoy it anymore, that Fair Use is a bad thing for society, and more. It's gotten to the point that they believe if you do not speak Japanese you should not get to enjoy any Japanese content at all and that anyone translating it is a bad and immoral person. Pay no mind to the fact that 56% of the entire Japanese entertainment industry is bankrolled by the west.Then this whole France protest situation happened in between them going full retard against piracy and not understanding it by calling anyone who uses the Jolly Roger flag during the protests or dressing up as any manga/anime character during the protest as immoral monkeys who constantly abuse copyright infringement. Then you also had Japanese people just outright saying everyone was black-hearted or just being super racist even to the white guys that the French heard of this happening and started completely shitting on any Japanese poster with constant shitposts meant to piss them off.Ever since the Tekken 6 decomp situation happened everyone online who is Japanese has been going completely retarded in their arguments and opinions. I've even seen people directly saying that the doujin economy isn't hypocritical and copyright infringement even if they don't get permission from devs.
>>750336709Yeah but this is easily refuted by linking the country of origin by download stats for nyaa.si where Japan places #1.It's just a vocal minority of boot lickers deluding themselves about the proclivities of their countrymen.
you should absolutely call the hoob weebs burning shit down in france monkeys.
>>750323586Kek Straw Hats literally stole Skypiea gold you dumb /pol/ tourist
>>750336948They argue that that's just Chinese people on VPNs, or that it's okay to do so because they're not open about it like westerners. It's a complete shitshow and they're ending up as hypocritical bootlickers.
>>750278152pretty based.what are some stories you like
Ngl I prefer Japan as a country by far but chinks are much better at international banter than nips. Chinks completely destroyed the roaches with witty comebacks
>>750336993yeah man taking a little bit of gold (that they would be given anyways) after liberating the sky people from getting raped by the wigger is totally comparable to setting women on fire, burning down historical buildings and looting brick and mortar manga storesyou browns are fishniggers. 1:1 analogue all the way down to the destructive resentment narrative using cope justifications like muh slavery and muh colonialism to act like subhumans.
>>750337205I was informed that this was taken from a balkan forum.still hilarious though.https://x.com/QingDe88500/status/2114158463643242929
>>750288676Eh...If you want your Keiju eiga to have good drama, you watch Gamera.Minus One had a compelling human cast
>>750285807This is mildly interesting to compare with vidya because by nature, vidya is database consumption.You play a shooter because you like shooters. You play action games because you like action games.It's fundamentally different from a narrative work that can still have 'more' than just the traits you find appealing and that hook you.
>>750338139no you are straight up just defining genres.
>>750338139>This is mildly interesting to compare with vidya because by nature, vidya is database consumption.Not implicitly. It's just been heavily normalized.>You play a shooter because you like shooters. You play action games because you like action games.This is post-modernism. You are reducing everything to its constituent parts. It's absurd. What does it even mean to "like shooters"? No one criticizes film or book this way. "I like movie X because the character punches with his fists, I dislike movie Y because the character kicks with his legs" Completely absurd.>It's fundamentally different from a narrative work that can still have 'more' than just the traits you find appealing and that hook you.This is you seeing gaming as a fidget spinner or a light hearted time waster. You can also engage with gaming from the perspective of games being tools for training your mind, or from the perspective of games having historical significance and analyzing that. These approaches are possible but they are uncommon because game postmodernists effectively have a monopoly on game critique and discussion.
>>750336709> French heard of this happening and started completely shitting on any Japanese poster with constant shitposts meant to piss them off.Here’s your “French”, Muhammad
>>750339379Is this one your “French” friend?>>750336709
