Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8585 - Black Dancing Edition==NEWS==>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds | Competition TrailerENG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nIhfo2X0oIJPN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVoDsexw0NM>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - CrossTalk 6 | Vector, Espio, & Charmyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxYkmbmDAr0&ab_channel=SonictheHedgehog>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Animation Previewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsmlVv0Tw0>Sonic Racing - Cross the Worlds - (Opening ver.) - Performed by James Bourne of Bustedhttps://youtu.be/OR9FGj1Bj70>New card game Sonic Blitz released download here.https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-blitz-apk>Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayedhttps://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay>Paramount Developing Sonic Movie Spin-Offshttps://comicbook.com/gaming/news/sonic-the-hedgehog-spin-off-movies-report-paramount/>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/==Comics Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog #81 - 03 September 2025Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 08 October 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 15 October 2025Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://grabber.zone>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ OC info:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive/>/sthg/ cytube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>536986507
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Ian Flynn confirms he wrote Crossworlds.https://bsky.app/profile/ianflynnbkc.bsky.social/post/3lrlmxkq2ok2t
It's funny how SEGA has repeatedly tried to invent another female character to promote aside from Amy and all of them failed>HoneyRights issues.>TiaraReplaced her late in development.>Spider GirlWho?>TikalDead or something I dunno.>Rougelol she doesn't fit in the core heroes, sorry Prime.>CreamThe most successful but her relevancy took a nosedive after Rush.>BlazeWriting around her role and her dimension is more of a hassle than Knuckles and his Emerald.>SticksShe 100% should be but Ian's idiocy killed her.>TanglelolSeriously just bring Sally back at this point, and I'm not even kidding.
I have Ian fatigue
>>537030758I'm certain the Lore Team will vouch for how much he didn't write everything.
>>537030665>some of these are going to be spicy Yeah, let everyone walk all over Amy because it's no surprise you enjoyed it because you hate the character.
>>537030758
Sorry but I just don't want Ian writing for the games anymore, like why? I already ignored both Archie and IDW, don't fucking do this to me.
Have a lovely day, /sthg/
>>537030208>I already baked enough myselfWe can tell, Fiona…
Sonic is honestly such a stressful franchise to think aboutHow do you people do it
Why is everyone freaking out that Whisper's board is in the game? We already knew that.>>537030517What is happening next year?
>>537030691I wonder what Tails and his mother are going to do.
CrossWorlds dialogue datamines:https://pastebin.com/kAx2DP5c (EN)https://pastebin.com/0vg53isp (JP)
It's weird that Sonic Team tried a soft reboot the lore and pander to westies (Freedom Fighters, Egg Hitler, etc) and created IDW as a tie-in to Forces and hired Ian. It feels like we're moving past that and re-orienting back to Unleashed and Frontiers.
>>537031246Just don't think about it.
>>537031210>>537030703chubby!
>>537031040How can you mean "Amy Clinton" in any way that isn't bad?
Unpopular take but I think Pontaff did a better job on TSR
>>537031158She deserves so much better. I pray the movie just does it because CrossWorlds Amy may go down as the worst Amy in recent years. Frontiers and Horizon or Dream Team look better than what this is. If I ever touch this game I'm just leaving JP voices on but it just sucks that English comes first for this franchise now because Japan don't give a shit about Sonic.
>>537031246All the discourse that was rough is from 2005-2007. Modern discourse is nothing by comparison.
>>537031287What mother? >>537029868
>>537031406why is Knuckles such a beefcake
https://youtu.be/V5x-DitBzas?si=MHZCIgv1_VMp6mzq
https://strawpoll.com/BJnXVNx2XZv
>>537031407
Letting hatred for a character and ship bleed into your writing is never a good sign.
>>537031040AKA "please don't block me like >>537004519"
>>537031545Archie Tails has a mom. A very hot and sexy mom.
>>5370312101. FI IS NOT FAT, SHE BURNS CALORIES LIKE A DIESEL ENGINE2. FI DOES NOT STINK, SHE SMELLS NICE, LIKE HIMALAYAN SALT
>>537030016Would it really have been too much for the game developers to add the comic ocs to Crossworlds?
>>537031679Both suck. It's just grim this franchise can't be bothered to seek out a better writer after Maekawa.
>>537031909Can someone explain what that board has to do with anything?
>>537031746no wonder Sonic is always running from her
Reminder that Hello Kitty is canonically a human girl and that's why Sonic is all over her.
>>537031040What the fuck is this inside joke about calling Amy a Clinton?
>>537032032It is textured like Whisper's mask
>>537031746This is such a cute Amy
>>537032032The board is modeled after Whisper's Variable Wispon. Do the math.
>>537031307Some of the rival dialogue is completely different
>>537031909Adding more Sonic characters to the Sonic game was too much for the developers so they put Miku, Yakuza, and Persona in instead
>>537032032are you blind? look at the visual design.
>>537031746>Amy that stinks good
>>537031909Yes they have little audience.
>>537031246I just play the games
Douge
>>537032072Because it's easy?
>>537030847Flynn FatigueFlynntigue
>>537031746>there's probably a parallel zone where every character is obese>sonic included
>>537032319Cute N Canon!
>>537032293IDW has 80 issues, and the comic ocs have appeared in spinoff titles before.
>>537031909Lanolin is extremely obscure. There are only 4 characters from IDW people remotely care about and even then they are on the same level as characters like Commander Tower in terms of popularity and lesser in terms of importance.
>>537032391You too, fat bitch.
>>537032463Okay that means little anon.
>>537032314>anon says while posting an image of a time when the games were still good and the internet was still in its infancy
You guys know that SILVER and TIKAL are both obscure right? Right??
Ian never liked Amy. It shows in his writing.
>>537032294Don't be mean...>>537032342This is a thing now? Fat nerdy amy? That's so specific to draw
>>537032132>>537032179>>537032246So it's a classic case of apophenia. That explains a lot. FYI, those "eyes" aren't based on Whisper or her mask.
>>537032463Archie has 300+ issues. Freedom fighters have appeared in spinoff games before.
>>537032628It is called the Wispon Booster. It is based on Whisper.It is as much of a reference to IDW as Amy's Sonic X swimsuit.
>>537032563>w-who are you?>>your fat version from the fat zone!>>*rolls away and strikes the freedom fighters in a single hit*
>>537032806Naw
I have Amy Fatigue
Here's what Sonic is NOT:>a crybaby sadsack>a wannabe hero that needs to learn responsiblity>normie who wants a humble life living in a small town>an "inspiration" by stopping people from achieving their life goals>depressed from loneliness>has a longing for friendship>relies on parents to give him familial love>has random electric powersHere's what Sonic IS:>a paragon of freedom>a free-spirited hero who fights oppression>fastest thing alive who never stays in one place for too long, always on the move>an inspiration by telling people to do what they want with their life>loner who likes having time for himself>doesn't actively seek out friendship>has no parents and doesn't care>no master except the wind that blows free
Why did they call it the Wispon Booster and not make a reference to the Diamond Cutters?
>guys it would be so cool if Silver fought Sage in the future! She's Eggman's descendant and will outlive him and inherit the Eggman Empire!>whoa the Zeti are still around in Silver's time too?! Think about how cool it would be to fight an army of Zeti!lmao at these poor deluded fools who think Sonic Team will give us anything but tanabataslop
Evil Amy who's a fortune teller/information broker; she doesn't have a Sonic-radar she taps everyone's phones to stalk him effectivelyMetal Amy who's literally just Zoltar
>>537033352No OCs allowed.
>>537032628Here's the very obvious comparisons between the two. If you're still denying it at this point, you're just being retarded on purpose.>>537033352Because Sonic Team can't do anything without making sure to shoot themselves in the foot in the process.
>>537032342>>537032563ain't no way these bitches wipe properly
>>537033740
>>537030531why do trannies care about the skin color headcanon of fucking sonic characters wtf
>>537033502Evil Sticks the CIA spook and Evil Amy's informant.
THERE WAS NO "PROBLEM" WITH AMYS CHARACTER, SHE WAS CUTE, SILLY, FUNNY, AND CHARMING, HER WANTING TO DATE SONIC WAS A GOOD RUNNING GAG (literally) AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO STOP DOING IT OTHER THAN SOME FUCKING FEMINIST OR JEW OR BOTH WHO NEVER EVEN PLAYED THE GAMES COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND COULDNT ACCEPT THAT NOT ALL ART EXISTS FOR THEM SO THEY DESTROYED SOMETHING I CARE ABOUT.I WANT AMY TO BE OBSESSED WITH SONICI WANT SONIC TO RUN AWAY FROM HER BECAUSE HE THINKS SHES ANNOYINGI WANT IT TO BE A FUN RUNNING GAG LIKE IT WAS BEFOREI DONT GIVE A FUCKING FUCK ABOUT ((((CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT))))) FUCK THAT SHITGENOCIDE ARCHIEFAGS, GENOCIDE SAT-AMFAGS, GENOCIDE (((CONSULTING))) FIRMS, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NUKE ISRAEL.
>>537033724This is absolutely deliberately hiding the reference. Sega does not want a clear overt reference to IDW.
>>537035079>Sega does not want a clear overt reference to IDW.Why, because IDW is too embarrassing to openly associate with?
MIIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>537033724>>537035079Nothing like going from "IDW is canon" to "Sega is refusing to reference IDW". Shows just how harsh the mental illness is. FYI, all the Sonic mobile games made by Hardlight that have IDW characters in them are controlled by Sega of America. Just something for you to think about.Will be funny if Sega decides to add the Avatar character in his/her many forms instead of Whisper the IDW Avatar knockoff.
Wave calling Omega extra thicc https://x.com/AMiiinaFedora/status/1960967302460878897alsohttps://x.com/Gr33dyJay/status/1960789924728156309>Well Sonic, you're DEFINITELY known for finishing quick, huh?>Heh! Finishing quick is my thing. No one is as fast as--- WAIT WAIT WAIT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT It was a one time thing and you were just very pretty ok!!!!
>>537035536Why make the reference so subtle?It could have been called the Diamond Cutter or whatever.No one talks about how important Sonic X is despite getting the same level of attention in the franchise.
>>537032604Everyone but the big six(Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow and Eggman) are obscure.
>>537031406Shadow showed up anyway
>>537032207>so they put Miku, Yakuza, and Persona in insteadYou forgot that the Riders games all had SEGA characters outside of Sonic as well.
Knowingsmiles at you
>>537035921And YOU forget they were unlockable secret characters, not marketed from the fucking start
>>537035919>Future Gangbanghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WIEMiCbidc
>>537036140Why the fuck does that matter, retard?
>>537035919Future Gangbang is the real Mainstay Genocide, but they don't want you to know that. Amy would put so much force into her blows no one would notice Shadow isn't on the team.
>>537035536Hard light is Sega of Europe.
I just want SA2 movement, momentum and exploration. I hate boosting bullshit. I hate 2d bullshit.
>>537034940Team Orange gun running scandalSol Empire Special Intelligence scandalized
You know how in the Superman movie the climax stops at one point for Superman to read of his character description just to make sure that you as the audience KNOW that previous depictions are wrong?The way Ian writes reminds me of that, except he ends up making a whole new characterization instead of "Returning to form"
>>537036336This is the future of Sonic, especially since people wanked off SxSG to high heaven. What you want is never coming back
>>537031746I fucking would once she removes the b->LBGTQ pinsThere always has to be a catch.
>>537036507>What you want is never coming backOutside of fangames and AA spiritual successors.
Archie had more acknowledgement in the games than IDW ever did.Archie was included in Sonic Mega Collection. In both Japan and the US. With an entire readable issue of Sonic's early publication history.IDW's classic comics are not in origins. Not even the free comic book day ones.This shows how little SEGA cares about IDW.They'll acknowledge Archie but not IDW.SEGA takes pride in Archie, Senoue-sama even using it as his justification for working on Mega Man Songs instead of Sonic the Hedgehog Songs for Super Smash Brothers.It begs the question of why SEGA is so ashamed of IDW. The so-called 'reference' to Whisper's board is extremely questionable and tenuous. It does nothing to introduce new audiences to the character. You'd have to be IDW-obsessed to even 'pick up on it' as a 'reference'.Even X is acknowledged with Amy's swimsuit but no one expects characters from Sonic X to be in the game unless they're obsessed with shipping.
>>537036507Kishimoto said he's phasing out Boostshit, Frontiers already began the process and that sold way more than Shadow. Too bad for you!
I guess all the lesbian shit made them a no-go. Can't piss off China and Saudi Arabia now can we?
>>537036691>This shows how little SEGA cares about IDW.Then why are they still churning out that damn comic?
>>537036691I think they are afraid of having a lawsuit involving them. The Penders lawsuit will forever be SEGA's most embarrassing moment, even if another one comes along that would otherwise beat it, simply due to SEGA's fear of another incident like it happening.
>>537036712>Kishimoto said he's phasing out Boostshit,No he didn't.
>>537036838They don't, IDW does.
>>537036914Yes he did.
>>537036691>It begs the question of why SEGA is so ashamed of IDW.The embarrassing writing post-Metal Virus that made it "canon-adjacent" instead of fully canon.
https://files.catbox.moe/xk4eld.mp4
>>537036985No he didn't.
>>537037238Yes he did.
>>537036336I wish Sonic Venture wasn't trapped in fucking Dreams because it's the most fun and well designed implementation of Adventure style controls I've played.
I would like to point out that Tails is cute and lovable
>>537037169Tails is so fucking gay, jesus christ
>>537037287No he didn't
>>537037550Yes he did.
>>537036140Anon, they want you to pick up and play whoever you want from the beginning. This is the norm and has been the norm for over a decade across all genres that have online play.
>>537037169Thank you!Wait why don't these use the real music go away Spongebob you don't belong hereTails being cute as always ^-^
I've reached a point where I just don't respect people who like the IDW characterizations. Those people are foes. They are against Sonic.
>>537037575No he didn't
Why does the Sonic social media post memes all the time but they have not talked about the comics since 2021?How are memes a better use of that space than actually pushing products
>>537037739Yes he did.
>>537037650Not being able to forfill your only purpose in life does that to you
>>537037783No he didn't
>>537037907Yes he did.
>>537036838Because IDW pays for the license.>>537036881But SEGA has a legal paper trail proving they own everything in IDW. It's not that they're afraid of getting sued. They'll outright feature characters from the western produced and made Sonic Prime. It seems to me that Sonic Team does not enjoy IDW Sonic. They do not take joy in referencing it or including it. Even Naka-sama was comfortable acknowledging Archie Sonic the Hedgehog's existence. The fact IDW remains hidden and out of sight is something strange that we have not seen before in the history of this franchise. SEGA actively avoids IDW. They do not want to acknowledge it in the games.It would be trivial to include comic issues in a celebration of Classic Sonic like Origins.
>>537037957No he didn't
>>537037971>It would be trivial to include comic issues in a celebration of Classic Sonic like Origins.Or putting comic ocs in games like Crossworlds?
TRIP AND FANG SHOULD KISS
>>537032609Mr. Ian doesn't like Mr. Tails, Ms. Cream, and Ms. Marine either
>>537038154Please don't associate Sonic with One Piece.
>>537038136
>>537038243I want to cream in cream
>>537037169TAILS IS SO FUCKING CUTE AAAAAAAAAA
>>537037971Can you give your conspiracies behind this?>>537037769
>>537038372Yes yes yesss :)
>>537030691If your mom disappeared you would sob since you're someone to warm up your dinosaur nuggies
>>537038574naughty anon!BAD BOY!
>>537032609This isn't Ian's fault since Cream and Amy act like this in Rush too.Blame the games.Sonic X is superior to them.
>>537038615>IESLB
>>537038658
>>537038427SEGA lost faith in IDW, Anon. They don't care about promoting it since they don't get money per issue. Only per license renewal.
>>537038665Yes Sonic X is the best, Cream is always supportive of Amy there.
>>537030786Sage... WON
>>537036798>Sega tells you no dating>Neither character developed to be dating anyone in bio or for either to have a connection Ian:>NOOOOOOOOO>ITS SO UNFAIR SEGA CAN'T MAKE TANGLE AND WHISPER GAY>EVEN THOUGH SEGA SAID RELATIONSHIPS HAVE TO BE PRE-EXISTING AND CAN'T DEVELOP IN THE COMIC >IT'S UNFAAAAAIIIIRRRR
>>537038797Slightly less naughty, i'll allow it
(You)
>>537038820They get money from other organizations licensing the IDW characters for their merch.Surely SEGA would want the comics to be good to push that right?
>>537037957>>537038074JUST FUCK ALREADY.
>>537030786Of course you're not kidding. It's the only logical conclusion when you realize the hacks at Sonic Team have no idea how to write a cast. Maekawa and Japanese staff have been throwing slop at the wall for thirty years hoping something sticks, but they can't beat a solid, American-made design.Blaze is just budget Sally, a cheap knock-off trying to fill the role of the "serious girl" foil. Why would you want the Japanese imitation when the real deal is right there? Sticks was another good American idea, a true wild card, but of course Ian Flynn had to get his grubby hands on her and ruin everything. The rest aren't even worth mentioning.You need a proper "Nega Sonic," and that's Sally. Sonic is the rebellious American teen with that Clinton-era swagger. He needs an opposite, a motherly, knows-best authority figure to play against. That's peak character dynamic. Amy is "Girl Sonic," another rebel. Why would Sonic want to date himself?BRING SALLY HOME. It's time to make Sonic great again, we must build Sonic back better. Protect our characters from foreign revisionism.
>>537039337You keep repeating yourself stop it
>bestie
>>537038901
>>537039337Interesting idea
Localizers... more like WOKALIZERSTranslators are supposed to TRANSLATE the material and at most change it so that the same ideas come across but ALL the new Sonic localizers want to do is MAKE EVERYONE OOCThey want to take away Sonic's wind. Amy's love. Eggman's evil. They think defining character traits automatically mean the characters are 1 dimensional. HELLO THESE ARE 3D GAMES HELLO?They don't care about Sonic. All they care about is IDW (Nonbinary) lesbians who talk about their feelings like SILVER (the worst IDW character) . Americans HATE Sonic. They HATE in-character. They won't let SLUTTY ACORN be a WHORE which is stated in her original japanese description from the Sonic manga that she is a SLUTTY SEX WHORE!!!!!There is no bad Sonic game. Only bad Americans.
>>537039089
>>537038858>>537038665You're praising the show that cemented Amy Rose as a psychotic, one-dimensional stalker whose only personality trait is "SONIKKU!" That's not Amy. Amy is "Girl Sonic." She's supposed to be the feminine equivalent of Sonic's 90s American rebellious spirit. She's a brash, tomboyish adventurer who wants to be a hero in her own right. She doesn't want to tie Sonic down and force him to settle into some Japanese fantasy of domestic life. She wants to be part of his adventures, to prove she's strong enough to stand by his side. That's the whole point. Sonic X strips all that away for cheap gags that turned her into a running joke.And don't even get me started on Cream. In Sonic X, she's not a character, she's a prop. A polite, disciplined, "kawaii" plot device meant to make Amy look slightly more responsible by comparison. It's pathetic. Cream should be the "Tails to her Sonic," a younger kid who sees Amy's rebellious streak and wants to emulate it, learning to be a hero herself.You people have been brainwashed by cheap foreign animation. You prefer the Japanese knock-off to the quality, American-made original. It's no wonder this country is in the state it's in. You should learn a thing or two about the value of domestic products instead of praising this imported garbage that bastardized Naoto Ohshima and the west's original vision. Go read some real Sonic stories from the Archie run before Penders got screwed over and maybe you'll understand Sonic the Hedgehog.
>>537039337Fuck off Ian. Go back to crying lesbians.
>>537039337>Amy is "Girl Sonic," another rebel. Why would Sonic want to date himself?The moment you made it about shipping, you ruined your whole argument. Relationship-wise, the whole point is that Sonic will NEVER settle down to be in a relationship, he will never "commit" to that kind of thing. He is free as the wind, PERIOD. Nega-Sonic, "opposites attract", is the exact thing that will NEVER work for Sonic romantically. EVER. That is WHY Amy exists as Sonic's love interest, as "Girl Sonic". Because the only thing that actually works is if a girl version of Sonic who shared his same love for freedom always chased after him, while he keeps running towards adventure. But all shipping garbage aside... Yes, Nega-Sonic is the ideal 5th member to the core 4. Whether Sally or Blaze.
>>537038372i hate this faggot and his gay little dance
>>537039435That anon is using AI responses to troll Sparky and Quark.
>>537039749Yes.
>>537039998Cream is not Amy's sidekick. She is a civilian whose goals align with Amy in a particular moment in time
>>537039728(standing up and pointing) BOOBS
>>537040097It is just Fred. He wants to be the lead expert on Western Sonic.Ignore him, he won't stop arguing until the whole thread submits to early western canon.
>>537040152>Cream is not Amy's sidekick.That's exactly what she is. It's just not as big of a thing as Tails being Sonic's sidekick, but that's mostly due to Cream not being in many main games.
>>537040098
>>537040028Knuckles was already Nega-Sonic first. Just admit you need someone to jack off to.Also there has never been a good "five person" heroic cast in any franchise, it is an awkward number.
>>537031158Maybe someday, but certainly not this week.
>>537040248Cream doesn't look up to Amy, doesn't try to keep up with her, doesn't want to be her, and doesn't see her as a role-model. Superficial similarity. By your logic Big is Amy's sidekick since they were on a team together once
It just works
Fred you will never be as insightful as Sparky. You are a wannabe Richmunk.
>>537040259>Knuckles was already Nega-Sonic firstNo.Knuckles is Anti-Sonic. That's a completely different thing, even if many underlying traits are the same as Nega-Sonic.Knuckles is not Blaze or Sally. Their dynamics with Sonic are totally different.The Master Emerald =/= the Sol Emeralds.
>Zavok: "Another fire-bearer? Let us see whose flames burn more fiercely!">Blaze: "Mine are a costly burden, while yours are merely guttural expulsions. We are not remotely the same."What exactly is so costly and burdensome about Blaze's powers
>>537040445>Knuckles is not Blaze or Sally. Their dynamics with Sonic are totally different.They're really not. Blaze and Knuckles are almost identical characters with a gender swap.
>>537040330>Cream doesn't look up to Amy,Yes she does, Sonic Battle has Cream mention looking up to Amy at some point.
>>537039337Isn't it hilarious how every time you hit submit, everyone else's IQ plummets through the core of the Earth down to China at the sheer sight of your incomprehensible babble? Every fucking post you vomit from your ass is the most retarded, braindead, pretentious bullshit anyone has ever read.
>>537040465I forgot what powers Zavok even have, cause they refuse to establish anything interesting about him
>Sonic games are bad, that's why people don't talk about them!I don't accept this. Sonic's world, his design, powers and characterization are all derived from the games. They are foundation for every other discussion.There is so much to talk about, beyond arguing over comic books.
>>537040465>What exactly is so costly and burdensome about Blaze's powersNothing, she's just melodramatic
>>537040465Anyone that tries to fuck her gets incinerated.
>>537040736just making up fakeass arguments
>Sonic is the wi-The towel, Sonic is the paper towel.
You know. The fact that someone here can simultaneously pretend to be a windfag and a sonallyfag and you people will actually bite the bait is actually just pathetic. There is no other way to put it. You are stupid for getting into these arguments. Maybe you spend too much time on Twitter or Tiktok and you're just itching for the chance to argue with a logically inconsistent person. You've gotten blind from this and somehow can't spot the most obvious bait in the world. You make me sick.
>>537039735>They won't let SLUTTY ACORN be a WHORE which is stated in her original japanese description from the Sonic manga that she is a SLUTTY SEX WHORE!!!!!
>>537040549Knuckles and Blaze have many similarities, but their dynamics with Sonic are NOT the same at all in any way. The same way Sonic and Rouge don't have the same dynamic with Knuckles, either. Sonic = the Chaos EmeraldsBlaze = The Sol EmeraldsKnuckles = The Master EmeraldThe Chaos and Sol Emeralds are like the North and South magnetic poles, they are twin sets of seven gemstones in the same set of colors. But their power is the complete opposite, yet work as opposite-ends of a greater whole. The Master Emerald is a single, giant stone that exists as a countermeasure that neutralizes the power of the Chaos Emeralds. Both the Master & Sol Emeralds are "opposite to the Chaos Emeralds" but in vastly different ways. Thus, Knuckles and Blaze's roles as guardians who stand in opposition to Sonic's freedom are also vastly different.
>>537040809Just wants some (You)'s, that's all.
>>537040028The moment you reduced a complex analysis of character archetypes to "shipping," you showed your hand. This isn't about who Sonic is gonna take to the prom, it's about what creates a compelling narrative. It's about DYNAMIC TENSION, something the hacks like Maekawa and the rest of Sonic Team have never understood.Of course Sonic will "NEVER settle down." He's the goddamn embodiment of 90s American freedom and rebellion. He has that Clinton-era energy. He's not gonna get tied down. That's the entire point! A "Nega Sonic" like Sally isn't there to put a ring on it. She's the authority figure, the knows-best maternal force that gives his rebellion meaning. She's the immovable object to his unstoppable force. That's what makes a story, you imbecile. It's the foundation of Western storytelling.>"A girl version of Sonic...chased after him."Wow, groundbreaking. That's not funny, it's a one-note gag that got old thirty years ago. It's the kind of slop you get when you let foreigners who don't get the character's core appeal write him. We need to protect our characters from this revisionism, just like we need to protect our industries from you weeaboos who want Made in Japan over Made in America. Build Sonic Back Better.And then you almost, almost get it. You agree a Nega-Sonic is the ideal 5th member, but then you say "Whether Sally or Blaze." Are you serious? You were so close to having a real thought. There is no "or Blaze." Blaze is the cheap Japanese imitation. She's budget Sally. It's like saying you'll take either a classic American Mustang or some soulless import. There is no choice. There is only the original, American-made peak.Get your head out of the shipping gutter and learn some basic literary analysis before you try to reply to me again
>>537040736>There is so much to talk about,There really isn't
>>537039337Kill yourself, Rich. You’re stinking up the general with your trash delusions.
>>537039728I. Must. Obey...
>>537039487Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.
>>537040793This is why she hates chilidogs.Reminds her of all the dicks she burned.
>Silver is just Sage's pet nowWhat a fall from grace...
>>537040946>The moment you reduced a complex analysis of character archetypes to "shipping,"That's what YOU did. You went on to use shipping as a justification, that Sally is a better love interest for Sonic than Amy, which itself is largely irrelevant to whether or not she fits into the Core cast as the Nega-Sonic. That specific ship argument runs directly counter to Sonic's own core character and the reason why Amy exists in the first place.
You look like you could use some friends
>>537040736>There is so much to talk aboutYeah like "when are they going to fix the games"It always gets like this when we're in a game drought. And yes, it is still a drought, because nobody plays the fucking kart racing games. 4chan is like this in general. The people that actually want to talk about the thing "leave for the season" and the autistic secondaries are all that's left. It's why /v/ was extra intolerable during the 2010s when game releases dried up across all franchises because of the global financial crisis.
>You need a proper "Nega Sonic," and that's Sally. Sonic is the rebellious American teen with that Clinton-era swagger. He needs an opposite, a motherly, knows-best authority figure to play against. That's peak character dynamic. Amy is "Girl Sonic," another rebel. Why would Sonic want to date himself?Opposites attract is cope from a shithole country with a coin-flip divorce rate. If sally came back, she'd be wave's cloaca muncher.
>>537040918fair enough
>>537041463Eat my ass.
>>537040246>>537040404Oh, look, the the California Raisins are back in business."He wants to be the lead expert on Western Sonic."There's no "wanting" about it, you absolute turnip. It's a statement of fact. While you children were learning how to finger-paint, I was dissecting the foundational texts of SatAM and Penders. I have forgotten more about what makes Sonic great than you will ever know.>"Ignore him, he won't stop arguing until the whole thread submits to early western canon."Damn right The early Western canon is the only one that matters because it's the only one that gets the character. Everything since has been a decades-long campaign of foreign revisionism by hacks like Maekawa and his sychophantic suck-ups, and you morons just slop it up.>>537040404>"Fred you will never be as insightful as Sparky. You are a wannabe Richmunk."Comparing me to Sparky? Real original. I've seen that guy's posts. He’s the perfect example of the rot that’s set in.Calling BLAZE "NEGA SONIC" DISQUALIFIES HIM AS AN AUTHORITY ON ANYTHING SONIC. BLAZE IS THE RIP OFF. THE FAKE. THE PHONY.>>537040672You think my posts are "retarded, braindead, pretentious bullshit"? Have you looked around this goddamn imageboard? I've seen the posts from that "Sparky" clown you all seem to worship, and it's the most creatively bankrupt, soulless drivel imaginable. The guy's entire philosophy is a sterile, Japanese-style spreadsheet.He publicly workshops his cringeworthy OCs like "Volcanix". He gets into bitch-fits about yaoi pairings. This is your intellectual standard? A guy who cries on the internet and writes fanfiction? My grandfather didn't fight his way through the frozen hell of the Eastern Front against the Russian Horde just so his grandson would have to share a forum with these weak-willed, effeminate losers who can't even defend their own points.
>>537041565cute meena
I just realized, the 2nd female is Shadow.
>>537040946>She's the immovable object to his unstoppable force. That's what makes a story, you imbecile. It's the foundation of Western storytelling.Every western story that has the woman "taming the man" as the romance arc is shit by default, because they only like them for what they can turn them into and not for who they really are
The argument was which female character besides amy would most likely show up on a lunchbox. Not which furry waifu the rodent self-insert would fuck.
>>537040946>She's the authority figure, the knows-best maternal force that gives his rebellion meaning. She's the immovable object to his unstoppable force. That's what makes a story, you imbecile.The immovable object to Sonic's unstoppable force is Knuckles. That's why Knuckles is described as a mountain while Sonic is the wind. The one who directly opposes Sonic's way of doing things and challenges his very way of life is Knuckles, that's what makes Knuckles the Rival. The Anti-Sonic. NEGA-Sonic is how Blaze is handled in Rush. A parallel story running side-by-side with Sonic, but from the opposite angle. And although they clash upon intersection, the fall-out isn't a rivalry, but a partnership. Sonic & Sally are "partners", that work together in spite of their differences, while Sonic & Knuckles are "rivals", that always challenge and compete with one another's ideals. Sally should not be handled like a mother figure reigning in Sonic's rebellious attitude, she's his equal. They both stand on equal level with each other with opposing mindsets on how to do thing, but the whole point is synergy and equilibrium. Balance. Harmony with Chaos.
>>537041391Why do you take Ian's shitty script translations and seed planting as gossible?
>>537042073Oh. Well, Cream.
>>537041802You fucking imbecile. You have the media literacy of a child raised on Ian Flynn comics."Taming the man" is a concept for weak-willed women who can't handle a real man's energy. That's not what Sally does. You're looking at the foundation of Western storytelling and calling it shit because you're too stupid to understand it.Sonic is the unstoppable force, the rebellious American teenager with that 90s Bill Clinton swagger. Sally is the immovable object. She's "Nega Sonic." She's the authority, the knows-best maternal figure that provides the structure for his rebellion. She doesn't want to change who he is, you moron. She's the anchor that makes his freedom meaningful. It's the classic dynamic. It’s mommy dommy peak, and it's what makes their story compelling.Your complaint is what applies to that pink hedgehog Maekawa and the rest of Sonic Team are obsessed with. Amy is "Girl Sonic." She's just a gender-swapped version of him. She wants the same adventure, the same rebellion. Two "unstoppable forces" don't make a story. They just create redundant, boring chaos. Why would Sonic, the coolest guy around, want to date a copy of himself? Opposites attract. It's not that hard to grasp.Look at the real archetypes, the ones that matter:>Tails: Kid Sonic>Sally: Nega Sonic>Knuckles: AuthorityEach one is a perfect narrative foil. Amy doesn't fit. She's just there. A cool rebel girl on her own, sure, but she's not right for Sonic. Get your head out of the Japanese shipping gutter and learn how actual character dynamics work.
>>537041391>fall from gracedon't act as if silver was ever up there to begin with
>>537042102he writes the gameshe won, you lost
>>537040946>>537040404Fuck off fred, libtard. You are not even a lefty.You only like Sally because you grew up with her nothing else. She does not fit in with the franchise
Stop arguing with bait
>>537041759You're seeing the vision.
These AI bot replies are boring.
>>537042252>Creamhaha, no. try again
I thought we got rid of Richmunk, why is he back?
>>537042426Yeah, the Sallyavatarnigger is boring indeed.
>>537042073When the basis is "who should be a major female character in Sonic's group", it basically boils down to "what female character should have a defining relationship dynamic with Sonic" which itself boils down to "what female should have a ... ship... with Sonic". Even if that's not what's intended. If Amy and Blaze, or Amy and Sally, are the two main female characters tied to Sonic, then Sonamy and Sonally, or Sonamy and Sonaze, immediately become rival ships.
>>537042287Nta but I think here watered down concept of an "anti Wind" character is pretty timeless. Knuckles is better for it though.
When is this retard going to stop spamming AI written posts, it's not even funny it's just sad
>>537042271You should like Flynn, rich. He is the only one involved with Sonic who wants Sally back.
>>537040097? I'm not being trolled. I can tell pretty easily if I'm talking to AI. On a related note, I feel like AI has unleashed a whole new level of shitposting. People can machine-generate long shitposts about Sonic, or replicate a specific poster's typing habits, and anons will simply believe it. It's disconcerting and it discourages people from engaging with real high effort posts.
The best dynamic Sonic ever had with a female character was with Sage in Frontiers, but people never bring it up because it's not shippable.
>>537042085Are you fucking brain-dead? Did you snort a line of crushed-up IDW comics before you typed this garbage?That "mountain vs. wind" shit is the kind of poetic garbage Maekawa and his hacks at Sonic Team came up with because they can't write a compelling character dynamic to save their lives. It's surface-level symbolism for children. Knuckles isn't an "immovable object," he's "Authority." He's a neo-conservative guarding his rock, obsessed with duty and tradition. He's a political rival to Sonic's freewheeling Clinton energy, not a philosophical opposite. He's an obstacle, a temporary roadblock, not the fundamental force that defines Sonic's rebellion.And don't you DARE bring up Blaze as "Nega-Sonic." She's a budget, watered-down Sally for the weebs who can't handle a real woman with authority. She's a cheap knock-off created by a creatively bankrupt Sonic Team.SALLY is Nega-Sonic. The opposite of a rebellious American teenager isn't another teenager from a different dimension, you moron. It's a goddamn MATRIARCH. It's the knows-best, motherly influence that gives his rebellion stakes.Your whole "synergy and equilibrium" bullshit is why modern Sonic writing is so fucking sterile. It's Ian Flynn-pilled nonsense. You don't want a story. You want two characters to hold hands and agree on everything in some milquetoast partnership. Sally isn't his copy. She's the immovable object. The mommy dommy authority figure that gives his "unstoppable force" a purpose. It's not about "reigning him in," you simpleton, it's about giving him something real to push against. That's the foundation of Western storytelling.
>>537042271>Sally is the immovable object.No, that's Knuckles. Sonic is the wind, Knuckles is the mountain. >She doesn't want to change who he is, you moron. She's the anchor that makes his freedom meaningful. It's the classic dynamic. It’s mommy dommy peak, and it's what makes their story compelling.Nobody can dominate Sonic, and trying to do so should not be the point of the Nega-Sonic. Sonic's freedom doesn't need her to define him. Sonic is Sonic.
>>537042073>The argument was which female character besides amy would most likely show up on a lunchbox.
Sally if she retro anime
I like Shadally
>>537042271No one likes Bill Clinton anymore. Only you libtard.
I want to post shadails, i don't know why but i like them paired. Not for romantic or erotic or "i want this to be canon" reasons, i just like the contrast.I love when our boy is paired with a darker character.
How do I download the Crossworlds Racing thing for this week if i've already got the beta downloaded from the first testfire? Do I just open that beta back up when it begins?
>>537042859OH SHIT ITS A NI-oh, it's just Sally
>>537042838Who the fuck is that
>>537042651It's basically going to finally kill these threads at this rate. Why put effort into a post if people are going to probably assume it's AI and hide it?
>>537042838Lmao
>>537042838From the creative genius who brought you HARRY POTTER OBAMA-
Sonic needs to be reimagined to appeal to the progressives of today.Base Sonic on Vaush.>>537043007It is a new client.
>>537043002
>>537032112It's a reference to Hillary
>>537042778You have to be the densest motherfucker on this board. It's like your brain is a smooth, polished stone, completely impervious to any actual thought.That "wind and mountain" shit is the most pretentious, surface-level garbage I've ever heard. It's the kind of tripe Maekawa and his hacks at Sonic Team scribble on a napkin because they can't write a real character dynamic. Knuckles isn't the "immovable object," you absolute tool. He's "Authority." He's a neocon guarding his magic rock, a temporary political rival. He's the guy who wants to maintain the status quo. Sonic blows right past him. He's not a fundamental opposition. He's a recurring roadblock, an annoyance.And of course your tiny, Flynn-pilled brain hears "mommy dommy" and immediately short-circuits. You think it means she wants to put him on a leash. WRONG. It's about narrative weight, you imbecile. She is the immovable object of responsibility, of leadership, of having a goddamn plan while Sonic just wants to run. She's the matriarchal force that gives his rebellious "unstoppable force" a purpose."Sonic's freedom doesn't need her to define him. Sonic is Sonic."What the FUCK does that even mean? Aren't you the one who says Amy is essential to 'prove Sonic won't do romance'? (What a faggot concept.) Without Sally as the "Nega Sonic," he's just a blue streak running in circles with no narrative purpose. It's like saying America is America. No shit. It's our protectionist policies, our hegemony, our willingness to stand up to aggressors that defines us. Freedom is meaningless if there's no structure to protect it and no tyranny to fight against. Even my grandfather understood that when he was fighting the reds on the Eastern Front.You don't get it because you were raised on cheap Japanese imitations and Evan Stanley's neutered, soulless version of these characters.
>>537043020That would be a scuttlebug, sometimes they have jamborees.>>537043002I'm kind of mad there's no art of Shadow and Belle interacting at all. You'd think it would be a layup. Shadow and Tails is an interesting combination, I can't remember them ever really interacting much.
>>537042776>The opposite of a rebellious American teenager isn't another teenager from a different dimension, you moron. It's a goddamn MATRIARCH. It's the knows-best, motherly influence that gives his rebellion stakes.Both Blaze & Sally are teenage princesses, so what's the point here exactly? >>537042776>Knuckles isn't an "immovable object," he's "Authority." He's a neo-conservative guarding his rock, obsessed with duty and tradition. He's a political rival to Sonic's freewheeling Clinton energy, not a philosophical opposite. He's an obstacle, a temporary roadblock, not the fundamental force that defines Sonic's rebellion.Knuckles as the Rival to Sonic IS specifically the Immovable Object to Sonic's Unstoppable Force. That's the entire point behind the rivalry. Behind Knuckles as a character. HE is the guy who shows up to knock some sense into Sonic by punching him in the face, as the living embodiment of the counter-argument against everything Sonic represents. Where Sonic is flighty and aloof, Knuckles is strongly rooted with both feet on the ground. If you want someone that directly goes against Sonic on a thematic level that drives conflict, then what you want is Knuckles.
>>537030786>>537042252>>537038901>>537042698The problem with having a "Modern"-only characters is that not having a "Classic" counterpart limits the marketability (I think Shadow is the only one who managed to escape this stigma, but we're talking female characters). Sega is really autistic sbout keeping a dividing line between Classic and Modern.For this reason, I unironically think TRIP has the best chance, IF they give her a Modern model.
At this point Amy is effectively vaulted in favor of some new character who likes respect and rules
>>537042698It's literally just Merlina done worse
>>537043275Sally cannot fight so she should not be near the main cast of this franchise.That alone makes her inferior to every other Sega produced character.
>>537043418Good, no one liked old Amy.
>>537043149A new client? Sorry, i'm on PS5.
>>537043368Blaze is better, she is lawful vs Sonic's chaotic.And is actually interesting unlike Sally.Richmunk will never understand this.
>>537043468Girlboss Amy defender spotted
>>537043149Sonic should be about him fighting conservatives for Tails's right to get his dick removed and Rouge's right to a taxpayer funded flat closure mastectomy
>>537036712>Kishimoto said he's phasing out BoostshitOh cool, we'll get something worse like lost world did
>>537043245That's a classic.>>537043364>I'm kind of mad there's no art of Shadow and Belle interacting at all.Dunno why you would want them together, although i'm kinda biased against belle.Anyways, no tails and shadow don't interact much unless it's an AU and shadow beats him or tails help him, poor boi.
>>537043643Shut up New Amy
>>537043671Yeah it is a new app >>537043727Rouge is too cis to do that.
Amy this, Amy that.How about you aim yourself off the nearest cliff?
Hug the alien.
>>537043895I'm searching for it. I already preordered the digi deluxe and have the first crossworlds beta.
>>537043405Yeah I do agree, Trip is the best designed character in a long time (thank you Naoto Oshima, we're SO back) and the only one I could really see on kids merch. I'd be pleased to see her in more games.
What if Sally shows you her people and they all wearin clothes?
>>537044025And the other one is a little bit more than that but I think I have a good idea of what I want to do with it and I will let you know when I get it done and I will get it done I will let me know if you need anything else or if you need me to pick it up or if you want me to pick you up or whatever.
The best and most interesting romantic option for Sonic is surge. It will always be Surge. The development necessary for her and Sonic to fall in love far exceeds anyone else. Their designs compliment each other more than Sonic and Amy. It's perfect.
>>537030758Reminder the new fans love Ian Flynn and we're all jaded and wrong :(
>>537044056It should have open network test written on it.
>>537043275>Knuckles isn't the "immovable object," you absolute tool.Yes he is, that is what his character is designed to be, on a conceptual level. The clash between Sonic & Knuckles isn't one that Sonic just blows past and never looks back from, it's a defining everlasting rivalry between the two of them whether they're friends or allies. Where Sonic believes in Freedom, Knuckles is dedicated to Responsibility. A duty to protect what matters, versus living freely by your own whim. >She's the matriarchal force that gives his rebellious "unstoppable force" a purpose.You made the mistake of presuming that Sonic is simply a rebel that needs something to rebel against. This is false. "Rebel" is merely half of the equation. The other half is "Detached". Sonic is what happens if you crossed a rebellious teenage spirit with a Tibetan monk that found spiritual enlightenment. Let go his earthly tether to become wind. Sonic is a hybrid of both of these concepts together as one. True freedom. That is what truly makes someone like Sally a "Nega-Sonic". Your framing it as her being the one that would reign him in, or give his rebellion purpose, when that's not really true. She's the polar opposite end of that magnetic spectrum. If Sonic encompasses freedom of the highest magnitude, then Sally as a princess or matriarch or whatever is the other ide of this coin. The one who keeps everything working in perfect harmony. Because the true purpose behind the "Nega-Sonic" role is that she is not the one who truly "opposes" Sonic. What she is, and what Sonic is, are two halves of a greater whole.
He sure is tall.
>>537044253Yeah, I got it. Had to search around kind of hard, though. Thanks.
>>537044252Everyone is complaining about Amy in Crossworlds.
>>537044189Every time i think of sonurge its surge getting horny while beating the shit out of Sonic.Which can't happen so she'll have to edge forever.
>>537044150Sally said that she was going to call you and tell you that she was in the hospital and that she was sick and she was going to go to the hospital and get her tested and get her checked out and then she said that she was feeling better and that she was fine and that she was still sick and she was feeling fine and that her symptoms were not bad but she was still feeling sick.
>>537044416Not "everyone"
>>537042902Christ, you kids are dense. It's not about liking the guy, it's about the goddamn core of Sonic's character. Sonic IS the 90s. He's that smooth, rule-breaking American spirit Clinton represented. That's the source material. That's what inspired Sonic the Hedgehog's character. Not a vauge ass concept like 'the wind'. That's why he works so well against Knuckles, the uptight neocon authority figure. It’s called symbolism, learn it.
>>537044418Imagine she thinks she's winning a fight and this gets her close. Sonic is getting knocked around. Maybe he's tired or having an off day. She's getting so close to cumming that she accidentally leaves an opening for him. She bursts right as he wins the battle.
>>537040319I hope it happens sooner than you expect then.
>>537040946I do not care about Sally other than sex.
>>537044539It is outdated. People find AOC cool and Hasan Piker
>>537043275>Freedom is meaningless if there's no structure to protect it and no tyranny to fight against....did you forget Eggman exists? Eggman is Sonic's enemy, the "tyranny" Sonic fights against. It's Sonic's freedom versus Eggman's tyranny. Sally is someone who shares Eggman's status as an authority of sorts, but as an opposite-equal force of good alongside Sonic rather than a force of evil against him. But again, Sonic himself is a combination of a rebellious teenager and a Tibetan monk, encompassing both the rebelliousness and the spiritual detachment to encompass true, absolute freedom. Sonic is someone who simply lives life by his own way, doing whatever he wants and living life to the fullest. He doesn't need something to rebel against in order to define himself, because he knows who he is and what he wants out of life already. That's what also fuels his rebellion against any system of authority that tries to challenge him.
>>537031909Lanolin and Surge will get in because Saudi Arabia will veto Whisper and Tangle, trust.
>>537044759Clearly the franchise is no longer than given how much influence flynn has.
>>537044756>People find AOC cool and Hasan PikerThis is why the dems will never win
>>537043768>Dunno why you would want them together, although i'm kinda biased against belle.They have parallels in both being created by Robotniks with good intentions but then losing that connection (Ivo because he turned evil again and Gerald because he went insane with grief and reprogrammed Shadow for revenge), they've both had to "put their past behind them"I like Belle conceptually and design wise I think she's cute, she's been terribly squandered.
No panic.
>>537043643I did and I'm never going to stop complaining about it, like the faggots that got us Sonic 4
>>537043273Yeah, but what is the relation to Amy?
Hot take: Localizers should stop peppering Sonic's dialogue with snark and idioms unless he uses something similar in Japanese. The difference between his Japanese and English character is small compared to Goku but it's still noticable enough to have consequences
>>537044756>People find AOC coolYou're way behind the times, everyone realized she's bought and paid for by Israel like most politicians.
>>537045072I hope you realize you sound exactly like a Sallyfag.
>>537043680Amy’s hammer is older than you are
>>537043643I always did, I understand people were annoyed but now they're just bored. Unironically the movie is going to have to salvage this because that scene was more hype than anything we've gotten of Amy post-Horizon.
Silver to Metal Sonic>"You're one of the greatest threats this world has ever known! I won't go easy on you!"
>>537045116Sonic is profoundly boring in Japanese, which is why no one knows or cares about him in his home country.
>>537044025Amy’s the only character in this franchise worth talking about
NOI'M RUNNING OUT OF SOFTCORE CONTENT HELP
>>537044539>Not a vauge ass concept like 'the windWhat you are describing is only half of the equation, with the "wind" being the other half, and you're failing to connect the two. The whole point is freedom. What you're focused on is the rebellious aspect of a young teenager breaking the rules. But the other half of Sonic is someone whose essentially found spiritual enlightenment by detaching himself from all worldly concerns, becoming one with the wind. Sonic is both of these things at once, and that's what truly defines the spirit of the character. In essence, a blend of Eastern and Western views of "Freedom" together as one. Sonic is inherently something that transcends being simply "Japanese" or "American". Because the truth is that the spirit of Sonic is both. He was created by the Japanese with heavy inspiration from American culture. Sega of America essentially trying to fight Sega of Japan started a conflict that tore the spirit of Sonic apart, so either side "alone" can not fully encompass the true nature of Sonic.
>>537043405Guess who ACTUALLY, FACTUALLY has Classic/Modern designs all set and ready to go?!?
>>537044756Who and who? I'm reaching 30.
>>537044189>romantic option Kill yourself faggot, this is about female characters who actually have a future
>>537045370Nigga Shadow is the character that saved this franchise.
>>537045348Im fine with Sonic being unpopular by any stretch. The characterization arguments would come to a screeching halt if the western branch stopped actively changing him.
>>537043069Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I spent like 30+ minutes writing a post once just to be called AI. I was already feeling discouraged about engaging in honest discussion here for a few different reasons. But this is a whole different ballpark. The machine can pump out giant text walls and never get tired. You can't really report it either, can you? All shitposting aside, I want /sthg/ to be good. I want it to be somewhere where people can maturely talk about Sonic in-depth. Yet there's so many things discouraging people from being genuine here, and AIslop paragraphs are just another obstacle that hinders genuine discussion.
>>537042698>The best dynamic Sonic ever had with a female character wasShara!He saved her from a toxic relationship, and for his final wish told her to cry it out as long as she needed. It's the most sensitive and romantic thing Sonic has ever done.
>>537044189I don't care. Talk about characters that appear in the mainline games.
fuck off Krack, you make this place worse by existing.
>>537045612You better be a woman because that's the gayest thing I ever heard
>>537044539So sonic is a fraud who existed to launder the reputation of a malicious organization Perfect
>>537045573Sonic was literally made for Americans because Sega couldn't compete with Nintendo in Japan
Ok to be honest, i kinda wonder how shadow's fluffy chest feels like, if he has a heartbeat at all. If this mysterious being is even warm etc.
>>537041654Well, seeing as we're friends now
>>537045573The westerners changing him is the only reason Sonic still exists right now.
>>537045590Have you considered that maybe your posts are as boring as ones made by AI? It's a (you) problem.
>>537045554And still couldn't escape the meta era shelving him.
>>537045103Because Hillary Clinton came off like a naggy narc and got cucked by a secretary
>>537045692So do Duo and Tailstroon, all these personalities.
>>537046020Cream better watch out.
>>537045403Post the hardcore content anon
>>537045692And here we have one of said obstacles. All you can do is whine incessantly about the evil namefag boogeyman who dared to believe something you don't like. There's a reason you never say exactly *why* you think this.
Ok it's over, no more shadails.
>>537046206You're insufferable krack, kys.
>>537045846This talking point gets thrown around with little insight. Sonic was made to appeal to westerners, but the "westernized Sonic" was categorically not part of that process at all. I don't just mean Satam Sonic. I mean English Dub game Sonic. Those things were done with no regard or examination from anyone other than American scriptwriters and voice directors. I can see why you might consider that a valid argument. I don't. I wouldn't argue that Sonic is perfectly consistent from game to game, or that Character is the most important thing, but a lot of the less entertaining aspects of this series (like Sonic Prime) are nothing less than a result of this unnecessary dichotomy. Cut out the middle man. No more embellishments. Translate the story.
>>537046020Amy of all things was never naggy, that's again a trait that belonged to Sally. So, when that guy damaged control by saying "not in a bad way" probably so he wouldn't get blocked by Ian. It can't be taken in anyway but bad, Ian's Amy is awful.
>>537046140She already needs to watch out because Amy canonically beats her up off-screen. Amy is the true greatest evil in the series and gets away with child abuse entirely because she's Sonic's pal and had a brief gig as the resistance leader.
>>537046227IT'S NEVER OVER
>>537045198TMOSTH and Amy's 30th anniversary comic are more relevant than satam or archie is. I actually have something to fight for.
>>537046165Nah, i want normal pics like the one you posted, i just took the last two hot ones from google as joke, but i actually have so very little of soft shadails :'-(
Anyone else excited for the upcoming adventures of Lanolin and Jewel!?
>>537045348Sonic shutting the fuck up and letting someone else be the focus is what makes him cool
>>537046391>Amy is the true greatest evil in the seriesNever forget that she inadvertently traumatised Tails and ruined his love life forever in at least two continuities.
>>537045727>that's the gayest thing I ever heardPrecisely
>>537046452Good luck anon! Thank you for fighting the good fight to save characterization from Ian!
>>537046562>IDWNo.That Hooters lineup is more interesting.
>>537046607real
>>537046562No because I want to read the comic for the game characters like anyone else
>>537045554Shadow got a whole year, his backstory was rehashed twice and now everyone's talking about Amy.
>>537044954Oh i see, although i can't really find a way to like belle, i think they presented the concept really bad, if it was me i would make her let tumblr genderfucked and more like a malfunctioning metallic machine.
>>537046637Sonic being so boring he cannot be the sole focus of an adventure is not and never will be cool.
>>537043768>>537044954
>>537045692your post is the problem with this general. we could be discussing game mechanics, level design, music, whatever, but instead you're focused on some gay interpersonal shit that adds nothing. at least when krack posts there's usually some actual sonic content mixed in. you're just shitting up the thread with drama nobody asked for. if you want to complain about namefags, at least post some sonic alongside it or fuck off to /b/ where that shit belongs.
>>537039337As much as I can acknowledge that Blaze is in the gutter, let’s not pretend that Sally is anyway comparable beyond Princess shit. It is absolutely hilarious and pathetic that Sallyfags will try and insist pushing her “influence” to other, more well known characters. And of course you bring up shipping lmfao, Salicole already raped you out of existence stop embarrassing yourself lol
>>537046562Me, unironically. It won't happen, but I want it to. Best we'll get is Lanolin crashing out in-between 75 and 76 in an annual or special going by ABT's art.
>>537046898 (me)*less tumblr and more cool abandoned machineFuck the keyboard.
>>537046905How do you actually write a story around the absolute coolest guy ever who is genuinely the coolest guy you've ever seen, without just making him a side character to facilitate someone else's development, or having loads and loads of hype moments and aura?
>>537046829Actually everyone is talking about Silver
>>537047159>How do you actually write a story around the absolute coolest guy everWho? Are we still talking about Sonic?
>>537047019That's the problem with you krack, you keep defending yourself in third person. You're so obvious, fucking retard.
I like krack
>>537047224Looks like AI.
>>537045590I'm also realizing AI written garbage posts are going to usher in the final "dead internet theory" end of online discourse in general because state actors won't even need to run IDF-type orgs, they can just set up bots on taxpayer-funded supercomputers to constantly poison the waters and make real discussion and organization impossible.Well, it was nice knowing you guys.
>>537047329me too
>>537045846Sonic fans really need to drop the narrative that there was a collaborative effort. There was one but for the JAPANESE Sonic in the first place. Stuff like his dialogue have. Nothing to do with that. Wouldn't you agree that scenes like Sonic and Shadow's reunion in heroes are butchered because the western side made an unnecessary change? ."Talk about stubborn and full of surprises" is a reference to a conversation Sonic and Shadow had in sa2 that was completely rewritten in English. A reference that illustrated that Sonic's reaction to Shadow surviving is the exact same as Shadow's reaction to Sonic surviving. Now it's just a random quip that makes it seem like none of them care. How about Amy? In Japanese it's quite obvious that her threat to marry Sonic is a sarcastic self-jab and what she really wants is to question him for the disappearing chao. The English counterpart of this line is directly responsible for Amy being scrubbed of character in both languages. You disagree?
>>537047334You can easily tell it's not.
>>537047224
>>537046905Sonic 1 did it and launched the franchise
When you have 2 or3 people writing all the japanese scripts and 15 people writing all the english scripts I don't know how you can actually tell me that the english versions are even "characters" at that point. You get retarded games of Telephone where SxS gens Sonic and Shadow (in japanese) are making references to english dialogue because nobody on the Japanese end gets the reference Ian is making.
https://litter.catbox.moe/bjrk77wmc85di7rz.mp4Cindy's proven to be able to do sass too, how have we gotten to the point where this is supposed to be the Renaissance of Sonic but we're stuck with Ian writing and flat voice direction?
>>537047575You are correct.>Localizers should stop peppering Sonic's dialogue with snark and idioms unless he uses something similar in Japanese.This would have been an accurate complaint years ago, but now it's the Japanese that are "localizing" the original English scripts by REMOVING all that chaff.
Alright, good night sthg.
>>537047228>>537047228Sonic is supposed to be the absolute coolest guy ever. That's pretty much what his character is and how he's been used in the games. Hidden Palace's mural and Shadow being the Ultimate Lifeform yet also a copy of Sonic are simply literalized examples of this concept. Beyond that, Sonic's own personality being cool and aloof in temperament, very free spirited, and heroic, and confident yet humble in all the best ways, are all meant to make him seem as cool as possible. Because Sonic genuinely is the absolute coolest guy ever, he is the greatest character that's ever been designed, he is everything I wish I could be in life, Sonic is amazing! But me genuinely thinking Sonic is the absolute coolest is exactly what Sonic Team intends. "Cool" is a core defining aspect of what Sonic is. As a mascot, he is "Cool" Mickey Mouse. Essentially the Mickey Mouse of coolness, and also the cooler version of Mickey Mouse. If Sonic ISN'T the absolute coolest guy ever, then something is seriously wrong. This is the real reason some anti-wind fans exist. They criticize Sonic being so unfathomably cool that he doesn't seem like a real person anymore. They don't like Sonic being some ethereal concept, they want him to be more grounded. But he can't be grounded, because he is like the wind.
>>537047163>silverfags are hyped by this literal babyshitkek so much for his aura
>>537045590>>537047405At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the sentiment this place has been in decline is ringing true everyday. I don't even bother engaging in any discussion because of how obvious there's botted/canned responses, if you can't even bother to think and meditate an original thought, why should *I* bother?
I can ship this.
>>537047986Sonic 1 did not have a story unless you are advocating for the series to get rid of stories all together.
>>537048062>MIGHT AS WELL PARK IT SHADOWGod what happened since then?
The comic characters being absent in Crossworlds will not dissuade IDWfags. They’re still riding high on the crying lesbians being in the background of some irrelevant Japanese firefighting community event. They’re very easy to satiate.
They should tease the Year of Silver but then have the trailer come out and have him get kicked out by Lanolin unceremoniously, before announcing it's another year of Shadow.
>>537048105Yeah I have similar issues with how Frontiers was localized in japan. At that point, why even have the script be written in english first? It's a garbled mess. Having Knuckles make polar opposite declarations in both language is beyond a red flag. Everyone loves talking about how they want to see these characters develop, especially on the western side. That is impossible the game supposedly laying the foundation for the "next Sonic generation" can't actually be trusted to do that.
>>537046675Nobody gives a fuck about season 3. The writing didn't.
I'm already convinced TSR has more soul will be remembered better.
>>537048214>Wave femdom erotically dismantling a helpless Omega
>>537048214Does Wave sit on washing machines?
>>537048414season 3 is the most praised in that babby show
>>537044696I appreciate the positivity. Have another Amy pic cleared out while I go through my daily quota.
>>537046675True, Cream and Tails both deserve a better role model than this monster
I just realized, how long until modders just add the Neo Diamond Cutters into Crossworlds themselves?
>>537048581you guys are such faggots
>>537048062Everyone keeps using Rivals and TSR to make arguments as if those games weren't slaves to their genre. No. Silver was not "Rude" in Rivals. EVERYONE was rude in Rivals. The entire tone of the game is like this. It does not speak to the characters at all.TSR? Really? The game where literally every character has upwards of 20 generic insults to yell? There are better ways to make these points.
>>537048026This happened in Frontiers as well
>>537048404The redpill is that Ian has creative vision but no power, and Iizuka has no creative vision but all power.
>>537048243lol if flynn is gonna be the main writer, then yes
>>537048675why are their hips so wide
>>537048404>Everyone loves talking about how they want to see these characters developI hate Ian and his "development" fetish. I don't need the characters to "develop", I just need them to be WRITTEN WELL NOW. Putting long-form serialized comic writers in charge of games is a huge mistake. If Ian had his way the games would have ten years of buildup to Tails actually doing something again.
>>537048861To give birth to half-human monstrosities
>>537048397Oh boy I get to see the white girl get shot again
>>537048912I think more people should have found it concerning that the mecha sally arc was going to last half a decade
>>537048830Ian really lives in your head rent free huh
>>537048824Ian has no creative vision beyond removing defining character traits he doesn't like or that he thinks "holds them back"
>>537049051That's what I'm saying!>>537048824Thank God Ian doesn't have power, we've SEEN what Ian with power looks like smeared all over Archie already!
>Amy can't trash talk anyone despite doing so in the past>Sonic flirts with Rouge and Blaze, meanwhile Amy gets nothing>Literally every character's dialouge is great in the game besides AmyThis is truly 9/11 for Amy fans. They are justified in hating Flynn now
>>537049093>>537049147If Ian had total control of the characters and lore everything would be consistent and continuous though.
>>537049093From Frontiers I got the feeling Ian's whole deal is fundamentally changing who the characters are and passing it off as "character development". I like the changes Kishimoto made to the script, they should have applied them to the English version as well
I think Amy is the best she's ever been.
>>537049267Consistent, continuous, and MISERABLE.
Riders Sonic's reaction to Amy being a very clear "Yugh" which tonally presents to the viewer as equivalent to "Yuck" is a very clear example of localization changing character in a way that alters how people perceive a character dynamic.
>>537047281That's not me but I do think he's right. What are you gaining from this? Is it fun? >>537047405Honestly, I hadn't thought about that. Well, I kind of did, but not in the "dead internet theory" kind of way. AI bots can control the narrative better than any organization or paid shill. It's a scary thought that the people you're engaging with might not actually be people, they might really be a bot whose purpose is to influence your mindset for the benefit of the people in power.It kind of reminds me of the nature vs. technology themes Sonic had at the start. >>537048212IMO this place has been bad for discussions since 2018, but for different reasons than now.I wonder if I'm being schizo or have rose-tinted glasses, but has anyone else noticed recently that posters here seem to be increasingly lacking in critical thinking skills? It feels as though more and more people will accept what they see and hear without question. Like there's a noticeable decline in the ability to think independently within /sthg/, and it's become especially obvious to me over this past year. Is it just me?
>>537048602By Cosmo fans and none else.
>>537049321Yeah, maybe if you hate her
>>537048026>(in japanese) are making references to english dialogue because nobody on the Japanese end gets the reference Ian is making.Wouldn't any half competent writer put some sort of note that this is an intentional callback to a specific scene, knowing this is gonna go through probably several translations just for the Japanese staff to read it, let alone approve of it and finalize it for their version? Well I think we all know these "references" are just a crutch for not knowing what to actually do with the real versions of these characters after writing fan fiction version for however long. Rehashing dialogue like this was never a thing in this series until now.
>>537049321Sega will crush your optimism eventually like they do with everyone
>>537049532I never liked her so yeah.
>>537049342booo! that's not my beautiful goblina! booooo!
>>537049495This place became a chatroom for people who never grew up from high school. Too much namefaggotry and clique behavior to the point of losing the sauce.
>>537048697Fuck you. CrossWorlds is slop. >>537048725Then why can't Amy have a backbone in CrossWorlds? Why is Ian obsessed with making her this "play nice" girl, most of her interactions is her wishing you the best or to calm down while mostly the assholes walk all over her.
>>537049495>It kind of reminds me of the nature vs. technology themes Sonic had at the start.Eggman's next scheme is going to be replacing the rainforest with server farms to make AI generated NFTs of himself in different cool outfits.
>>537049495>IMO this place has been bad for discussions since 2018, but for different reasons than now.>I wonder if I'm being schizo or have rose-tinted glasses, but has anyone else noticed recently that posters here seem to be increasingly lacking in critical thinking skills? It feels as though more and more people will accept what they see and hear without question. Like there's a noticeable decline in the ability to think independently within /sthg/, and it's become especially obvious to me over this past year. Is it just me?I don't blame anyone with sense for completely jumping ship after the mindfuck of getting mania and forces back to back. Sega licenses out sonic to fan game devs who had to rely on rehashed material and they still outshine the main development team, who managed to fuck up a proven gameplay style and who ALSO rehashed old zones.
>>537049878>different cool outfitsOkay, but how cool are the outfits? You have my attention.
>>537048598Maybe if she's fixing one yeah.
>>537048062Ian praise is primarily hate for Penders by proxy. I'd say its cause some people think he's better than Pontaff and Graff but they've figured out that Ian only seemed better thanks to memberberries i.e. recycling song lyrics and pointing out that other games happened. Once the audience has figured out all your tricks, they turn on you.
>>537049858>Fuck you. CrossWorlds is slop.Already more beloved than TSR and will sell a bajillion copies because MKW is trash
Are they're any writers that actually like/respect Amy and her dynamic with Sonic?
>>537049267How's Drogun?>>537049193I shit you not when I say this is the worst iteration of Amy I've seen and people bitched about Heroes and Battle.
>>537049267If Ian had total control of the characters and lore he would shove Archieshit into the games because that's what he really cares about. He does not actually care about the game series as it's own seperate thingIan's way of being consistent is just to spout out references and just connect things together no matter how forced it is
>>537049629You'll get yours bitch
>>537049495>I wonder if I'm being schizo or have rose-tinted glasses, but has anyone else noticed recently that posters here seem to be increasingly lacking in critical thinking skills? It feels as though more and more people will accept what they see and hear without question. Like there's a noticeable decline in the ability to think independently within /sthg/, and it's become especially obvious to me over this past year. Is it just me?That's called samefagging. /sthg/ is only 15 people at most
>>537049520the cosmo shipping only became relevant around the second half
>>537050043Tyson HesseEvan Stanley Ian MutchlerIizuka
>>537049562>Rehashing dialogue like this was never a thing in this series until now.They did it basically ever since SA2, Ian is just bringing it to a fever pitch.Although I liked the character dialogue in the hub in ShadGens, was that Ian? Somehow I can't see him writing Rouge the way he did, it tastes more like Evan, but I'm not going to say he NEVER writes anything good.
>>537050043Whoever writers the Sonic Channel stories
>>537049629That's the problem here, now people that did love her are rightfully complaining because they're appealing her to those that never did, and all they can say is she's not annoying anymore, so I guess a soulless flat Amy is just more acceptable. They don't even care about her and never did.
>>537050307That's Eitaro Toyoda.
>>537050096I always get mine, loser.
Sonic X Season 3 is complete garbage in my honest opinion. I am not You-know=who. I don't just arbitrarily hate it for being unlike the games. This season FEELS more like SatAM above any thing else. It's actually jarring to me that the fandoms for these shows hate each other so muhc. We have a new villain who is both ridiculously evil and also completely harmless to Sonic himself. Despite the stakes being set early (Super Sonic) we never actually feel like this guy will end SONIC'S life.Cosmo is cute and all but that's really it. She has a hint of interesting character with her romance with Tails and her hatred of the Metaeex but both of those traits get more attention in fanon than canon (I call this the Uwuver effect). The motivations of the Metarex are as hard to take seriously as Team Magma. The show switches genres. Which is fine. Sonic jumps from setting to setting. But now Sonic (Like in ARCHIE) has to spend large amounts of time with a specific party on a specific base moving from location to location with little change in cast. He is on a mission for this entire series to stop the a force that threatens the entre universe.. This is the same thing the Archie Reboot does in its Unleashed adaptation. The EXACT same thing. It puts Sonic on a ship and has him be lead TO his next adventure. The locations they visit are boring.Shadow is back and he's basically wasted. There are tastes of a "future" for him for some reason? He literally just spends the entire season serving Eggman as some kind of implacable muscle. You could replace Shadow in this series with various other lackey characters and it would feel the same. There are a handful of very interesting episodes. Obviously the Cosmo Conspiracy and A Revolutionary Tale go down in history in this fandom for a reason. I don't think they carry the season.
I'm looking forward to seeing the player numbers for Crossworld's ONT, it'll certainly give us a good idea how many people are going to buy the game day one, conservatively 50% of the peak player numbers are going to buy the game if the test goes well.
>>537050339To be fair, the character you liked was bad, and now she isn't. So this is an improvement.
>>537050462I'm going to try it cus it's free but I never had any intention of buying it
>>537050380Amy will fuck Sonic onscreen while Shadow watches
>>537050043Ian Mutchler who wrote MOSTH and the best Amy's been in the 2020s. Even X wants that Amy in games.
>>537050419SatAM was goodAnd I agree with the Shadow part.
I love Cream and Vector's dynamic.
I only liked mania because it shat all over sonic team
>>537050542The improvement was sonic team giving her a spin dash. It had nothing to do with flynn's shit dialogue.
>>537049495>posters here seem to be increasingly lacking in critical thinking skills? It feels as though more and more people will accept what they see and hear without question. Like there's a noticeable decline in the ability to think independently within /sthg/, and it's become especially obvious to me over this past year.the sane people stopped trying after it was proven these threads are just the same bad actors samefagging and spamming
https://youtu.be/gNQAaANywRk
>>537050548Yeah...which is why I said that half if not most people aren't buying the game day 1, despite being industry standard, 70 dollars is still too much to ask for any video game. I only bought the Deluxe edition becasue it was 70 bucks for me, I can't imagine paying 90
>>537050419This is fair, but do you think season 1 and 2 are vastly superior? or the same, or worse
>>537050717Imagine spending money on a fan game and thinking you're making a statement on what the future of the franchise should be.kek
>>537050741Making Amy play like Sonic only highlights her uselessness in the castWe don't need a girl Sonic.
>>537050717I liked it because it lovingly recreated everything I love about Sonic and had innovative and fun level gimmicks that made me smile despite being forced to mostly reuse existing zones.
>>537050717The money went the same place retard
>>537050886I think Season 2's filler structure was fine and its SA2/SA1 adaptations were entertaining. Season 3 feels like a bizarre retread of the early arcs of Dragon Ball GT.
>>537050934Because sonic is enough of a faggot already
>>537051061>forcedThe game was going to only be the four original zones. Iizuka decided to add the returning zones, and that's why a playthrough lasts longer than 10 minutes.
>>537050542She was a nuanced, and guess what? Almost every Sonic character use to have edge and were kinda dicks. But now they've all softened up for the sake of brand safeness and it just sucks to see. Mind you I do like some of Frontiers/Horizon and Dream Team Amy, but CrossWorlds is just so flat and nice girl generic she comes off more as Vanilla wearing her skin. I hate seeing her be called a karen.
>>537051069>>537050903It was never about money or hope for a continuation. It was about the world seeing sonic team for the frauds they are
>>537050886I also want to add that Season 2 is some of the only Sonic media (Aside from the games and to an extent Archie) that actually shows us that these characters have lives separate from each other and saving the world. Season 3 feels like I'm back in SatAM again. They are on mission from beginning to end.I don't hate this idea because it's "not Sonic"" but after Sonic X already did the former the latter feels sort of boring.
>>537051353These people do not care about quality, they think Frontiers is GOATed.
>>537051310>She was a nuanced, and guess what? Almost every Sonic character use to have edge and were kinda dicks. But now they've all softened up for the sake of brand safeness and it just sucks to seeYou all cry when fictional characters act mean. I remember how this placed reacted to Sonic in Rise of the Wisps.
>>537050419Episode 52 was the official ending and I'm fine with living with that. No one wanted Sonic GT with Chris reverting back to a child.
>>537051353And frontiers ran circles around mania in sales and cultural recognition, because it had kaiju fights set to screamo music
>>537030786>>HoneyShe was originally just a cameo character that got cut from the original release of the game>>TiaraShe was originally going to just straight up be the main female character (in the west I guess). She was based off Sally but was replaced by Amy late in development before X-Treme got cancelled. So Amy and Tiara were never meant to coexist at least in that game>>Spider Girl Just an OC by Okano that he hid in a random SA1 texture. Was never an actual in development character >>TikalShe was never a core character and was always intended as a one off
>>537030758He didn't need to tell us. The song lyrics as dialog was proof enough.
>>537051673On the contrary, I see a lot of people praise Season 3 Chris for being more tolerable. But the truth is they just chucked every personality trait so even people who had a venomous hatred of him find him completely innocuous. Just another Reboot Sally.
>>537051683>because it had kaiju fights set to screamo musicScreamo music that had nothign to do with the game thematically I might add, holy fucking shit Sonic fans are fucking stupid. They fell for the most superficial bullshit EVER just because it's "just like Sonic Adventure" on paper.FUCK SONIC
All Shadow lines in Crossworlds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyp3_LGVwEM
>>537051942It's cool and the song sound good. The lyrics give insight to what happened to the Ancients and more specifically the pilots of the Titans. You're making up an issue that doesn't exist just to get mad at something.
>>537052124>. The lyrics give insight to what happened to the Ancients and more specifically the pilots of the TitansOh please, shut the fuck up
>>537052195You got btfo lol. Sorry anon
>>537050030I get numbers matter more, but the voice direction alone already carries more soul.
>>537051302I'm pretty sure that Mania was gonna be composed by fully original levels but that Iizuka forced them to make most of the game returning zones leaving only 4 original stages, not that Mania was just gonna have these four stages and that's it. It would obviously be the same length as the final game but replacing the returning levels with brand new ones
>>537050419>Satam comparisonI don't know why Sonic X season 3 doesn't get shit on for that more. Everyone praises Sonic X as being perfectly "in character" but it is ANOTHER FUCKING SHOW where Sonic and his friends are this straight up military force like the Avengers or something. Like it's their collective job as a whole to protect the universe from threats. It's not even debatable. The show does this. It's not like Sonic Adventure or Sonic and the Black Knight where Sonic jumps into a conflict and solves it. In this show it is their absolute duty to protect the universe because nobody else will.The scenes of Cream talking like a trained specialized while manning one of the stations make me groan. Yes, she's a combatant, no she's not part of the fucking A-Team.
>>537052435It's been years, but what I said is what I remember. They were never going to make more than 4 original zones, it was either just those 4, or what we got. It was a low budget game, and Iizuka made a good decision. One of the few instances where I'm okay with returning zones being heavily featured
>>537050934>We don't need a girl Sonic.Yes we do, there's nothing better than Girls that embody the spirit of Sonic.
>>537051673Episode 52 actually wrapped up things pretty decently with all the characters
>>537052660Sonic doesn't have a "spirit" it's a corporate mascot.
Honestly, my anger towards Ian has turned into exhaustion. He's just a huge waste of time. What the fuck did Archiefags see in this guy?
Freedom fighter Sonic / Sonic cooperating with freedom fighters is alright.
>>537049321Either you're Ian Flynn or you think stripping someone of their personality is good because "t-t-thank goodness we aren't sexist anymore!"
>>537052704I can't take the original ending of Sonic X seriously with Sonic literally saying he would stay with Chris forever like what the fuck
i love sthg. you guys go from bait to nuanced criticism and then back to insane sonic bait again
>>537052778You are goign to be stuck with him until he dies so you better get used to it.
>>537050013Flynn has a knack for being in the right place at the right time in the sense that the bar for Archie's and the games' writing was practically on the ground by comparison.Though I feel his Archie writing had more passion, I guess? Back in Archie, Flynn was able to play around with elements rather than being just "HEY PETAH REMEMBER DA TIME?" Stuff like Scourge, Knuckles becoming Enerjak (though the original idea was Remmington apparently), the Death Egg returning and actually being a big deal, etc. Post-reboot got milage out of being a melting pot and weaving in the more obscure games (like having Breezie's ploy during the Sonic 2 Game Gear storyline), on top of both introducing old characters with new spins.But without all of that, the references just become crutches. They become pointless. And the song lyrics stopped being cute ages ago.
>>537052307Apophenia, also known as patternicity, is the human tendency to perceive patterns or connections where none exist
>>537052778I'm just tired of capeshit but with sonic.
>>537052660wrong image, I actually meant to post this but I was having connection issues>>537052742False, the true Sonic spirit is a very powerful thing. Just like the true spirit of Mickey Mouse. The corporation itself is irrelevant.
>>537052778no one cares. you can't change a thing. consoom the sloppa
>>537052778Ian has nothing better to do than write Sonic. He will NEVER have anything better to do than write Sonic. He will NOT leave over creative differences like other writers because he doesn't have options aside from Sonic.
>>537052978>Sonic spirit is a very powerful thing. Just like the true spirit of Mickey Mouse.Micky Mouse has no spirit either. I refer you to this post>>537052908, you got a terminal case of it.
>>537036798>Who are they?This is the average response from people who see the IDW OCs, but we're supposed to see them and the comic they're from as canon.
>>537052898>I feel his Archie writing had more passionYeah, everyone is demotivated nowaday. Thankfully, there's youtube videos.https://youtu.be/D3hnRP-1lHI?si=2cWVEkPbkfeuw6Jh
if I was Fowler I would retire after Sonic 3. You won. You made 3 movies that are more critically successful than they should be and each was considered an objective improvement over the last. Quit while you're ahead and watch people venerate you as the ultimate god of Sonic like Maekawa.
>>537052435It wouldn't have been out until 2023 if they did that. Sega intended Mania to be a cheap advert for Forces.
>>537048824Ian's "creative vision" is bringing Sally back and making Sonally canon. That's it.
>>537052461>In this show it is their absolute duty to protect the universe because nobody else will.This might be the real problem. To make Sonic work, we need some kind of superhero-esque or military-esque team SEPARATE from Sonic that we know handles all the big stuff... so when Sonic shows up and does stuff, he's a third party intervening just 'cause he feels like it. Like, this conflict initially had nothing to do with Sonic, but now he's here anyway.Thus teaching the player about the will to take action to do what you think is right, just because you can and have the ability to do, and because deep down, you want to. All while showcasing that Sonic himself is a free agent just doing what he wants, and answers to nobody.
>>537049878You joke, but a Sonic game with a plot that explores the nature of AI, free will, the morality of it, etc. sounds like a fascinating idea in theory. You could explore what it means to be alive and have a soul, and it would fit perfectly into those nature/tech themes that the Sonic franchise used to embody. People basedjak over that one page of Metal Sonic not being affected by the Metal Virus, you could make a whole game/show/manga with that idea. Sci-fi movies like Terminator, 2001: A Space Odyssey, and Blade Runner are all so damn cool and I dearly wish Sonic could do stuff like that while still retaining that fast-paced shōnen feel. It makes me frustrated we can't have that, and even if they tried to do it, the current writers would just use it as a way to soapbox.>>537050754It's the same thing every day. You try a genuine attempt at discussion, you get>drowned out by shitposts>called a random namefag>ingenuine time-wasting replies>told to kill yourselfAnd now we have to add AI-generated paragraphs to that.
>>537052778He was better than Penders
>>537053185Are you stupid? He has money to make. Who the fuck cares about being revered by genetic dead ends.
It's kind of obvious why Ian (raised on Archie Sonic) would have no more passion left.Just imagine that you were hired to write for Sonic, you grew up on the games, but then got mandated to write it more like Archie instead. Sonally was his OTP. His favorite ship. He was told by the parent company that he must kill that ship because it doesn't accurately portray Sonic. .Can you genuinely imagine telling someone like Krack that they must firmly establish that Shadow and Maria were NOT in love because Shadow would NEVER fall in love with someone like her? Can you imagine telling someone like Sparky that he must be the one to deliver the storyline that confirms Sonic IS NOT THE WIND and that this is a complete misread of his character? Ian almost has my sympathy.
>>537053069Then the comic needs to be advertised more
>>537053450Then frankly Sega should've hired someone else
>>537053450Ian spent more time doing things that had nothing to do with shipping than shipping. moron. sega took away your waifu because they are done with her fags as well as the rest of the fandom.
>>537052898It's because in Archie he never had to write anyone in-character or care about established lore. It was so distant from the source material that anything you could get wrong would just be taken as an alternative take for the comic. Archiefags took every creative decision he had made as fixing their comic since Archie was already at rock bottom anyway.
So let me get this straight...you guys are mad....because you think Ian is harming your OTP?
>>537053450It's a job. A professional does the best he can under the circumstances or fucks off
>>537053723 (Me)spent more time in archie*
>>537051302I mean "forced" in the sense that they were constrained by budget.The original pitch was "we want to remake the Genesis games and add some fun extra zones for the fans", Iizuka made the right call by elevating it to a full game but it would have been even better with all new levels.
>>537053327>To make Sonic work, we need some kind of superhero-esque or military-esque team SEPARATE from Sonic that we know handles all the big stuff... so when Sonic shows up and does stuff, he's a third party intervening just 'cause he feels like it. Like, this conflict initially had nothing to do with Sonic, but now he's here anyway.I get maniacal twitches whenever I remember that SatAM was almost this and then dropped the idea for no fucking reason They HAD IT. Nobody sane judges Satam for being OOC but they LITERALLY HAD IT and they tossed it away.
>>537053723He gassed up Sonally more than any other writer on the comic.
>>537053806Absolute opposite, he's harming the basic infrastructure of the series out of spite over HIS OTP and HIS favorite comic world getting shitcanned.
>>537053723I'm aware. The point is why he's passionless.
>>537054080And BY basic infrastructure YOU MEAN your OTP?
>>537054095the point is not in his "otp". he wants to do things like how he used to in archie. but sonic team would rather have it their way because they want their brand synergy.
>>537053806Ian needs to stop being obsessed with shipping. Dude gets the opportunity to write for official Sonic games and is line of thought goes to "I need to get rid of Sonamy, pronto!" The man needs to get the fuck over it. Like goddamn.
>>537053921The ideal Nega-Sonic to me would be if you took Blaze the Cat from a game/design/lore standpoint and them put the spirit and context of Sally from that pilot/the original concept into the mix, and you'd have the perfect template for the fifth core character of the cast. And then the actual Blaze as she is could be a mirror of that character, and still have the alternate dimension stuff anyway.
>>537053773I actually agree as far as keeping everyone in-character and Archie being distant enough to be an alternate take, but at times Archie lore was bent to resemble the games, particularly when all the Chaos Emeralds were reduced to 7. Still, I see your point.>>537053806Or that Ian is hates their characters.Ian's more stuck in his ways and one of THOSE fans. I feel like his handling of Tails is more due to getting hung up on Tails being a kid rather than Tails being competent. Ian also being big into Archie also probably has something to do with it since Tails didn't have his intellect in the earlier days. Basically the same logic as what informs how he writes Eggman, whose sadism made sense as an extension of Archie Robotnik (who was basically AOSTH Robotnik early on), but not outside of that.
I think all versions of Sonic are at their most entertaining when he comes across like some kind of psychopath who gets his thrills from going on adventure instead of killing people. I wish that was canon. I want to see one of Sonic's friends look him in the eye on a normal day and realize that he has no soul. That he's only going to spend time with them until they stop amusing him.
>>537054379>Ian needs to stop being obsessed with shippingThis whole meltdown you guys are having is because you are Sonamyfags. Maybe take your own advice.
>>537054350The games aren't Archie. Perhaps Ian needs to accept that already.
All this Sally talk is reminding of this old chart.
>>537054379>>537054080>>537053450I think (you) are the only one obsessed with shipping here. maam.
>>537052889That'll probably be sooner than later, fatfuck in bumblekast didn't foresee himself living another 10~20 years.
>>537053450Your analysis is correct, and yeah, he "ALMOST" has my sympathy, but mostly I'm mad how bad he's squandering a golden opportunity.I don't dislike Ian overall I just feel like the square peg doesn't fit in the round hole. He's a decent writer with original OCs but the things he does to the canon characters is tiresome. I like that he WANTS to fix Tails but until he just DOES IT instead of talking about it I'm going to keep being tired.
>>537054572>60%
>>537054517I don't even care about Sonamy like that, but it's clear Ian has hangups over it and going out of his way to want it either fully confirmed or disposed of outright, while at the same time writing Amy as the most boring, sterile female character possible. He needs to stop being obsessed with shipping and write a good story for once.
>>537054568>The games aren't Archielow iq argument. but if you don't want things to "bleed into" your media. maybe give Archie back.
>>537054791>I don't even care about Sonamy like that,If that was true, you wouldn't be obsessed over him.
>>537054572SATAM purists are weird to me.
>>537054509>I wish that was canon. I want to see one of Sonic's friends look him in the eye on a normal day and realize that he has no soul. That he's only going to spend time with them until they stop amusing him.
>>537054509Sonic is not a psycho, he has a soul, he cares about his friends and does what he does because that's what his heart compels him to do. He's Chaotic GOOD. He embodies chaos, and he also embodies goodness. The thrill of adventure is the chaos part, the good part is using his freedom to do what he thinks is right even if the whole world tells him he's wrong.
>>537054871Has nothing to do with "SatAM" purity. That was the first Sally and that chart was made cause Lanny was getting pushed as "the New Sally". This is how things were settled.
Every day I realize that the worst sonic fans, are those who are fans of sonic,the character, himself...
>>537054830This isn't hostage situation. Archie was side media like all the rest. Maybe you fags need to just accept that it's gone and either move on or reread it. You're not gonna get special treatment. The other fags of their favorite media aren't throwing tantrums or making demands.
>>537054989hey sparky. can you add your name in the name field before you post? I'd like to collapse your messages automatically. thanks.
Why are you all arguing with Fred. Just ignore long blocks of text with Sally on it!Fucking newfags I swear.
>>537054989Sonic is a phantom from hell. He is an imp with no evil intentions. He;s a succubus that consumes entertainment instead of lust.
>>537055141You should respect Sparky since he's the axe wounder's arch nemesis.
>>537054254No I mean the characterization of multiple key characters most of all Sonic and Amy. It's not that he's "ruining Sonamy", it's that he's ruining both characters almost as an unintentional byproduct of being such a Sonally guy.I like Sonaze so leave me out of the retro ship wars.
>>537055141I don't post with a name. I don't -want- to be recognized, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to try and not be myself or whatever just so people don't recognize me or whatever.
>>537055141He beat the Tailstroon in a debate, you can no longer disrespect him like that.
>The One-Man Flynn Defense Force still desperately trying to defend Ian's honor no matter how much the man burns down his own career himself.Must be painful. I wonder how much this dude paid Ian to answer his weird headcanon on his podcast.
>>537055095It's fine to like Sonic. It is NOT fine to have this religious fixation on a character who is basic by design. These people are fucking insane.
>>537055132Archie lasted from 1992 to 2017. no other sonic media lasted that long besides sonic team's games. It was the only thing keeping me hooked during the meta era besides playing old games
>>537053841>It's a job. A professional does the best he can under the circumstances or fucks offSega has the option to fire him but let's just be honest with ourselves. Even if the Sonic franchise goes in a direction that makes Ian want to puke, he can't leave. What's he going to do? Write for MEGAMAN? AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!
>>537055385Okay? That doesn't mean it's entitled to be brought back.
>>537055345>I don't -want- to be recognizedIt's pointless even if you try. anyone who spent a week in here can recognize your posts. so you might as well make things easier for the rest of us,>>537055347I didn't follow the debate + don't care
>>537052195>Can you hear the spirits sing...Lost messages of long ago...It's right there, bro.
>>537055494Sonic fans seem way nicer to him than Mega Man fans. They either don't know who he is or just call him shit and go about their day.
>sthg gets their wish granted and a windfag writes for the games>10 eggmoon arcs later they realize this might have been a severely miscalculated mistake
>>537051673Sonic X=GTIDW=Super
>>537055597That's not a THEME you fucking idiot.
>>537055171These fucking newfags can't handle reading because their brains have been rotted by Ian Flynn's garbage fanfiction.
>>537055762But X is much much much better than IDW.I like GT more than Super but that is like saying Episode 1 is the best of the Star Wars prequels.
>>537053450I understand that what Ian loved was lost, and his passion died with that. If he were an ordinary fan, I'd be able to sympathize with that and feel sorry for him. I'm sure it's a miserable experience. However, if Ian Flynn did not want to be "forced" to change/destroy what he grew up with, he should have considered that when he first sought an official writing position. He should have anticipated that Sega wouldn't just let him do whatever he wanted with their characters forever. He consistently applied for writing positions that were increasingly aligned with the mainline canon, and then became huffy and frustrated about it. If Sparky and I had to write those things, it would have come completely out of nowhere and be a clear retcon, unlike Ian's situation, where it was entirely predictable. He walked into a sauna and got upset it was hot in there.
>>537055693Because Sonic fans don't have many options whereas Mega Man fans that want an adaptation of the games will probably just read Megamix or the Battle Network manga or something.Mega Man's continuity also isn't as fucked so "tying it all together" isn't as impressive as it came off for Sonic.
>>537055345It's funny I've been posting in Sonic threads on 4chan for almost 20 years and nobody has recognized me as anything yet.
People who actually like IDW, can you tell me why? I'm not going to argue with you or try and say you hate Sonic or whatever. I want to know what your take is.
>>537055762Fitting because I love GT and hate Super
>>537056020Is it because you aren't autistic perhaps?
>>537055171Who is fred? Is that the real name of the tails tranny?
>>537056052I want to see people who love IDW and hate Archie including Post Reboot
Everyone blames Sega for ruining Sonally or whatever but it was actually IAn>WhatYes. Ian's first original story when he joined Archie was retconning 25YL into an AU (because Mina is a pedophile and Locke is abusive) rendering it non canon to the main setting. Then he dragged his feet in reestablishing the ship. By the time Chronicles came out and fucked over the entire Archie canon it was too late to fix everything. The damage was done.
>>537055574>anyone who spent a week in here can recognize your posts. sYeah, I know, and I don't care. I post however the heck I want, I'll do whatever the heck I want, I am myself. I can only be myself. I am who I am, and I'm not gonna try and change my entire personality or behavior or whatever the heck just to "hide". That's stupid. That's fake. Who the heck goes out of their way to try and "not be recognized" on this place, of all places? If you're anonymous, that should give you a license to speak freely. So, I will speak freely. I post what's on my mind, whatever I feel like saying. If you recognize "me", that's your problem. I shouldn't have to change how I say whatever I wanna say, or put on a stupid nametag, just to appeal to you. Why the heck should that matter to me? Sonic wouldn't care, so why should I?
>>537056020i recognize you as a blueskytroon. rope asap
Can we talk about something else
>>537056417just shut the hell up and tag yourself bro>collapses
>>537056494No one wants to play crossworlds here not even early.
>>537056508If you are what you eat, then what are you if you eat yourself?
>>537056494Can we talk about how much I want to have sex with Jet?
>>537056417Why does he have egg shoes
>>537056271No.>>536871607>>536870735https://poe.com/sthg-fred-bot-gem2.5Fred is the The Gorillas of Namefags.
>>537056661Those are the Light Speed Shoes from SA1.
>bestie meltyno one cares about your ship bro. shut up already
>>537056612That's fine justjust can we please talk about something else
>>537056494>What could possibly go wrong?
>Niggas really thought Mike Pollock would be fired and blacklisted from working in the entertainment industry for being Pro-Israellollmao
>>537056052The people praise or defend IDW can never explain exactly why they like it outside of Tangle and Whisper being low-key gay..
I am glad that windfags have made IDW toxic to even talk about positively now. I hate IDW that much. Fuck all of you. You deserve this. You deserve a fandom environment that doesn't let you enjoy it.
>>537056775Yes what earrings would each of the Sonic girls wear if they were human!Fuck all of the people just giving Amy rings, too lame too basic, give her like hearts or fortune cards.
>>537056417Playdough ass texture
>>537056656Sure bro, I'll take ANYTHING at this point
>>537056494Best Egg Mobile model?Personally, I'm a fan of SA1's.
>>537056505>just shut the hell upNo.
>>537056683It's actually over.
>>537056635Hungry
>>537056891This person blocked me because I said that Sonic's first canon crossover would not happen in comics. I said if Sega wanted a canon crossover they would have canonized the Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games already. Or one of the numerous intracompany crossovers
Here is your xi/xim for tonight.
>>537056891IDW being canon was a mistake. IDW fans don't care about game continuity and game fans hate what IDW does to the game characters.
>>537056835This general will be glorious the day this comes out
>>537057052What is so surprising about this? We already have bots that can act like posters here.
>>537057196oh yeah...i'd fill up xis butt
>>537057196What is this from? Also that is absolutely a female body.
>>537057205IDWfags act like fucking parasites its unreal>IDWfag: Sonic is perfectly in character!>Gamefag: *lists reasons Sonic is OOC*>IDWfag: He's boring in the games. IDW gave him more depth>Gamefag: You hate Sonicand then the conversation is off the rails from that point.
>>537056052Meandering bullshit, anti-climaxes, out of character behavior, inconsistent character direction (Surge), no sense of finality, everything runs together, failure to tell a story, zero subtlety.
>>537057375That purple sonic guy everyone tells me is a nazi
Damn. I was hoping to get some actual idwfags on that question and not just windfags mocking the comic... are there no idwfags here???
>>537056316I’ve already seen quite a number of people online who love IDW and praise Ian’s writing, but shit on Archie without reading much of it and refuse to even engage in Ian’s run of it.That Fadel GameCage streamer is the biggest one I’ve seen
>>537057419so Sonic 06
>>537057630Does he even have opinions that are not just sucking off the franchise?
>>537056207I feel like I probably am but in a less obvious way. I geek out about gameplay more than writing.>>537056482Art's gotta come from somewhere unless you just want reposts of reposts.
>sparky has been fighting ghosts of AIs convinced that they're real posters, trained off his own and tailstroon's posting historyHoly shit, this is humiliating.
>>537057240What was it like when Crash 4 came out? I imagine it'll be something similar.
>>537057412I get harassed for calling the restoration an absolute plague on the franchise.Someone likened my hate of the restoration to the death of Palestinian children.
>>537057832We live in a cyberpunk dystopia without all the cool shit
>>537057728>I feel like I probably am but in a less obvious way. I geek out about gameplay more than writing.Well you seem sensible, what do you think the gameplay will be like in the next mainline game? What are your hopes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaLR5_QvQckHow do you make an entertaining open world game with speed like this? And to think there were people who wanted Sonic to go even faster! on a crossworlds note is Action Chain in?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOLzrv6H-t8I love the way it sounds makes me wanna go wild
>>537057832Madam, last night he got angry at an AI... role-playing ...as SAGE. And was doubting whether it was an AI.
>>537057832Sparky didn't lose, /sthg/ lost. This proves people can incite a several day long shitfight with a bot. We're done for.
>>537057205>IDW being canon was a mistake. Absolutely. This was the comic's downfall. Instead of just being a comic that has a similar universe to the games, it was then declared to be PART of the games and all that did was give it heavy scrutiny because fans of the games were going to monitor how it was written and anything out of line would be met with backlash.
You don't want this smoke, /sthg/! You don't want this smoke! Better back off!
>>537058182I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
I think it isn't just about characterization but dialogue practicality. Sonic doesn't talk much in the videogames. Even in the meta era games where he speaks more he rarely says anything that's like "only Sonic would say this". It's all very general. Quipping.So when he goes on paragraph after paragraph in IDW its hard to even imagine him saying these things.
>>537058293Sure thing.
>>537058182OR WHAT NIGGA???I'M FROM GENOCIDE CITY NIGGA I'M RELLY BOUT THAT ON GOD!!!I'LL SLUMP YOU AND YO MOMMA ON GOD FR FR!!
>>537057907
>>537057650I mean yeah
>>537057832Sparky will never recover from this
want a pichur????
>>537058684FOTOTETA
>>537056052As a trans non-binary lesbian it makes me feel seen
>>537058413And now, it's Crash getting raped...And not just by Activision/Microsoft.
People have been using bots on here for a while now guys...
>>537057832>autistic midwit does stupid thingsImagine my surprise.
>>537057832>trained off his own and tailstroon's posting history...Whose the actual person behind this bot? Why train 'em off of my and that other person's posts? For what purpose?
>>537056052I like drawing lewds of the characters Fuck actually reading IDW
>>537059013It's Sl*shy again. He makes these bots.
Why does Amy sound like Sally in Crossworlds?
>>537059013To prove a point
>>537059137Why would Slashy do this? I thought we were friends...
>>537059103
>>537059160The west stopped trying to get rid of Amy in favor of Sally and just settled on turning her into Sally.
>>537059013It's eggfag.SEE: >>537059198He made Mecha Sparky.
Am I old? I've heard people say that before but I don't know what it really means, like what does does not wanting the smoke mean? I'm only 42
>>537059327Once you've turned 30, you're old.
>>537059160>>537059284Sally is very aggressive in Satam what the fuck are you talking about
>>537057942Honestly Shadow Gens plays so much better than any 3D Sonic since Adventure 2 that I don't really know what to expect. It's probably going to be "more of the same", Frontiers physics with some tweaks, what I'm really hoping for is that they go all-out and give us another Unleashed style entry with fresh new grounded zone designs with less "flying crap in the sky" aesthetics. The Shadow Gens hub makes me think they could do some really fun Adventure Fields again if they really wanted to. I want spin dash jumps and bounce jump back though. I've been playing P06 and I'm starved for that stuff.
>>537058975I fucking hate autistic midwits who think they're the smartest person in the room like you wouldn't believe.
>>537059103>>537059268OOC Archieshit. Honey isn't like this.
>>537059240Slashy isn't friends with anyone here. He's a shit-stirrer.
>I'm 42.Damn nigga you old as shit.
>>537059298If it was Eggman, that's understandable. But if it was Slashy, that just ... really bothers me. i know he's an ENTP and loves debates or whatever, but going out of his way to basically drive me insane with AI bots arguing in circles like that like that just to see what happens is... overdoing it a bit. But, whatever. It's probably just not a big deal from his perspective...
>>537059327The smoke is a physical altercation of some kind, usually fisticuffs, but can also be a gunfight depending on the contestProbably came from "where;s there;s smoke, there's fire"
>>537059413>Sally is very aggressive in SatamYes, exactly that, she was always groaning, complaining and telling people to act properly or stop being rowdy.
>>537059394You mean once you turn 18 you're 30. That's why none of the sonic characters are anywhere near that age, the oldest character outside of Vanilla is Vector clocked in at age 20, everybody else is a teenager or a little kid or a thousand, hundred year old something
>>537059327>only 42>ONLYBro you should've started your own family and left this place like a decade ago.
>>537059240He's unintelligent
Put Sonia (worst girl) in crossworlds so she can yell at everyone for being poor
What if we're in one of many Sonic AUs but we got the really lame one where Sonic and Eggman's battle is just Sparky vs Eggfag debating
>>537059454Better?
>>537059530Wait a second, do you have an MBTI classification for every personality you encounter here? Or just Slashy?
>>537059454Then what IS in-character for Honey?
>>537059597Where do I buy one of those?
>>537059434I hope you're right anon. I hope Kishimoto can actually improve for the first time ever, not just on a thematic level, but on a techinical level.I hope whatever team that made Shadow Gens is helping on the next mainline, they know their stuff.
>>537059449My IQ was officially tested by real doctors at about 130 and you guys still call me retarded all the time.
Gata y Zorro
>>537059671The artist did a good job downplaying the archie traits of honey bot they still drew, specifically, Archie Honey
>>537059748The original human Honey.
>>537059753Runescape.
>>537059883The stripper?
>>537059507You're only as old as you feel >>537059560Oh, that's cool>>537059597Nah, I don't make enough money to have a family and I don't have the social skills to even get a mate to begin with, case in point, I said mate instead of girl, but I'm okay, I'll die alone but I'll have as good a time as I can while I'm here, watching all of you maniacs then when it's time I'll become my ultimate form and use my ghost powers for good.
>>537059530Slashy is an evil scheming person who always acts in bad faith Sparky. He sees you as a threat and wants you genocided just like he wants the children in war-torn countries genocided.
SHITnic sissies... why is our boring gary stu a jobber?
>>537059748iirc she's really shy irl and puts on a fursona, er, persona.Archie Honey was written before that detail was translated, shocker, so she's usually interpreted as picrel because Ian can't do research.
>>537059846I think a lot of IQ tests tend to be kinda bullshit I also scored around 130 or something but I really don't think I'm that intelligent. I guess it depends on the clinic maybe
>>537057196Thats a sugar glider right? The fur pattern is all wrong.
>Blazefags are fighting with Sallyfags and losingAGGAGAGAGAGAGA
>>537060242Sonic's fur is all wrong and you don't bitch about that
They're cute together and they apparently went on a date once so ST agrees with me.
>>537059675No, Slashy told me he's an ENTP on discord a long while back. But I also know that a few others that post here are likely ENTP as well. ENTP is called "The Debater", and it's also the personality-type of The Joker. Or Jax from the Digital Circus. Or Tricksters in general like Bugs Bunny. ENTPs are typically very highly intelligent and charismatic, so they're very good with people but their focus is usually just arguing and arguing and arguing, messing with your perspective and your understanding of things to entertain the logic behind whatever alternate possibilities they can think of just for the heck of it. Basically, the kind of person who is very spontaneously creative, very logical in their analysis, and also very socially aware and charismatic with people. But all they wanna do is mess with your head. I have a friend whose an ENTP. He can be a pain to deal with sometimes, and it usually just reminds me of people here that respond to me the post. So if Slashy is an ENTP, that means he really loves to argue and start arguments just for the heck of it, just to see different people's perspectives or whatever the ENTP motive is.
>>537060284But the whole thread so far has been amyfags seething at ian
>Sonic and Amy flirt with each another>Sonic flirts with Rouge>Blaze flirts with Sonic >Wave flirts with Sonic>Storm flirts with AmyWtf are they trying to say?
>>537060362>and they apparently went on a date onceOOC Sega of Amerilard social media slop. Not from Sonic Team on Sonic Channel.
>>537060457It's just fun playful banter
>>537060457that it doesn't matter. consoom the sloppa
the problem with amyfags isn't that they're wrong, it's that they're too easy to make seethe. You can just larp as a Sonougefag and they will run themselves ragged trying to debate you.
>>537060457Teenagers are horny. You put a bunch of them in a function of any kind and sparks fly.
>>537060284>When the Creamfags and Tailsfag start fighting over whicj character is worse.
>>537060563They're usually wrong though
>>537060242You're not supposed to judge how realistic it is.You're supposed to cum in its arm-wing skin.
>>537060405>Slashy told me he's an ENTP>ENTPs are typically very highly intelligent and charismaticSlashy lied to you. He is unintelligent and has zero charisma.
>>537060563That thread was fun though.
>>537044162>>537044487Have Sallyfags lost their minds or what?
>>537058740
>>537044539Anon, I'll be honest with you. I HIGHLY doubt Oshima knew who Bill Clinton was when he was designing Sonic.
>>537060619This
>>537060405Thoughts on ISTP?
>>537061001Oshima is a westaboo so maybe he was knowledgeable with us politics
Is Honey even her real name?
The thing about both Sonic and rouge is that despite their differing moral compasses, they have a similar temperament and a similar set of values when it comes to HIGH STAKES situations.Rouge also only ever seems to appear in stories with high stakes anyways so we see this often.You put Rouge in the Arabian Nights or the Arthurian legend and she might make a bunch of similar choices to Sonic. You can't really say the same for Amy.
>>537060637I said "typically". It's not like your personality type alone guarantees how intelligent you actually are, what it says is how you use your intelligence. For example, a common "smart person" personality type is INTP. An example of an INTP character is Patrick Star. Patrick is the "dumb" character in SpongeBob, but his behavior operates on his personal sense of "logic" above all else. I have a friend whose an INTP, and all that really means is that he is extremely logical in how he operates, but his personal sense of logic may not always be the wisest. Not to say he's not intelligent, don't get the wrong idea. I'm an INFJ, which is usually described as being "both a feeler and a thinker", but I'm sure a bunch of you will insult my intelligence and say I'm some kind of dumb for whatever reasons you have. I'd disagree with that, obviously, but there's only so much I could possibly try to say about my own level of intelligence without being biased or whatever. >>537061121I don't have any particular thoughts on ISTP. Mostly 'cause I guess I don't have a specific notable example I'm personally familiar with to compare it to. ISTP would be like an INTP, but replace the "Ne" function (Extroverted Intuition) with "Se" (Extroverted Sensing). Se = Sonic. It's the "take action NOW" function. Sonic is either ESFP or ESTP depending on how he's written. So, ISTP is just an introverted version of Sonic, to a degree, with a heavy focus on logic and reason with how you make decisions. And your weaker area would be with "Fe" (Extroverted Feeling), which is all about social interaction. ENTPs and ESTPs are very charismatic because they have a higher sense of Fe than INTPs or ISTPs do. But it's still somewhat low on the totem pole, so it's mostly something they like to "toy" with.
Here's what really annoys me about Ian's Sonic. He's borrowing his morality from Batman. Where he does not kill no matter what. Olay...This is just ignoring the fact that Batman WANTS TO KILL his villains. That's the CONFLICT. He HATES these people and wants to kill them and makes the CHOICE to rise above that urge. It isn't just that he has a code, it's that he LIVES by the code. Sonic only seems to do this because killing is icky I guess? He doesn't want to "take their freedoms away". Lets set aside that that particular version of Eggman has killed named characters and will continue to kill and openly expressed his desire to cause more pain and suffering TO SONIC.
>>537061587Sonic kills gods all the time though.Does he view them as sub-human?
>>537059240I only made the SAGE bot as a parody of the other bots because I wanted to see if you would debate a FICTIONAL AI. It was at this point a test to see if you would argue against an obvious joke poster.I was annoyed you fell for Violet and I was the one constantly telling you her strategy and you did not listen.
>>537039337holy based. japcucks seething so hard
>>537060164So she's basically the Detroit Metal City guy?
>>537056378>By the time Chronicles came out and fucked over the entire Archie canonYou mean Penders fucked over the entire Archie canon
>>537061816What's with you and AI bots anyway?>I was annoyed you fell for VioletSo was the whole thing some kind of test or whatever?>and I was the one constantly telling you her strategy and you did not listen.Well, for future reference, what IS her "strategy", then?
>>537061816Genuine sociopath behavior. Unironically kill yourself you absolute scum.
>>537062009he wouldn't have done that if chronicles didn't plagiarize his ideas
>>537061238Rouge would wish for gems and tell Shara to fuck off
>>537044539Bill Clinton franchise.Amy Rose being more like Hillary Clinton is simply Clinton purism.>>537031040As is Sonic ignoring her to flirt with Rouge.This is the way.
>>537062045>So was the whole thing some kind of test or whatever?Only the SAGE thing was a test. I disagree d with you during it and was frustrated that you were falling for an obvious not that would just repeat itself because the argument had already met a statemate.>Well, for future reference, what IS her "strategy", then?It was told to you directly in the thread.https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/536736324/#536763517
>>537061487Now I know for sure I'm not autistic because this INFJ, ENFJ, IBRST shit makes me see red
IDW fight scenes vs Archie's fight scenes.This is just me but I feel like IDW barely edges it out, arche scenes had too many stupid faces whenever somebody took a big hit, rather than look like they were in pain they would look like a cartoon character who just go an anvil dropped on them but the one thing that always makes me mad for both is that they do not fully use the characters powers, especially when it comes to Shadow, Blaze and Silver, Sonic prime and Sonic Boom had better fight scenes than either of
>>537062431>Clinton purismkek
>>537061587Sonic having a rule about killing is pure westoid bullshit. Sonic doesn't deliberately go easy on eggman. Eggman survives whatever happens to him because that's just who he is.
IAN FLYNN IS WRITING CROSSTALK
>>537062057I don't wanna call him a sociopath. ENTP personality type has these four functions in this order: Ne -> Ti -> Fe -> SiFe = social harmony, awareness of and focus on how others feelHaving this in the third slot means this is a "Child" function, and so Fe is used as a toy. Which translates into, an ENTP (and an ESTP) will view social interaction as a fun toy to play with. It's "fun" to see how people will respond or react in different circumstances. This is partially what drives an ENTP to argue, to "debate". It's like some kind of mental game. The equivalent for an ESTP would just be getting into actual fights, or sports, or any sort of physical challenge where they can compete with someone. But for an ENTP, it's a fight of abstract ideas. Hence, a debate. Which then means that it's likely Slashy uses these AI Bots to see how certain posters, such as myself apparently, will respond to the arguments that will ensue. The flipside of Fe is Fi. Fi is your own personal morals and ethics and stuff, while Fe is aware of everyone else's. So, when Fe is in the third slot, like with ENTP, then the "Fi" shadow of it is virtually absent. So any sense of "is this right or wrong?" doesn't exist, unless it's rationalized through being hyper-aware of how your actions impact the people around you and what THEY consider to be right or wrong, and cross-referencing that with what makes purely logical sense to you on a rational level. Which is why the "true" personality-type for Sonic is ESFP, NOT ESTP. 'Cause ESFP has Fi in the second slot, so Sonic would be living by his gut feeling of right and wrong above all else. If Sonic is ESTP, then he'd follow what he THINKS is right logically, but be very playful with how he interacts with people without a gut feeling of morality guiding that or whatever.
>>537062548Archie fight scenes are very very bad imo. I prefer Archie overall to IDW but none of the damage has any impact. It feels like Yardley doesn't know how to draw action.
>>537061816Arguing about sonic is more exciting than the games are
>>537062821this is known khaleesi
>>537062821
>>537062467>It was told to you directly in the thread.>https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/536736324/#536763517Oh right, that did stick out to me, but I guess it slipped my mind later.
okay if you hate ian so much who the fuck are you replacing him with>MaekawaNot happening. Be REAL
>>537062857Sparky please stop defending this manchild. He made you waste hours arguing with a bot to "test" you for his own sick twisted amusement.
>>537063054Sparky
>>537063054Sparky and Violet.
>>537063009I made it the SAGE AI because I wanted to see if you would argue with something so blatantly disingenious on every level.
>>537063101>>537063146shut the fuck upfuck this i'm jerkin off
>>537030786I'm gonna fucking kill y->she 100% should beYou may pass, king.
>>537063262Share some content!
>>537063054Ian Mutchler, Barnes, Imada, or Toyoda. I'd prefer Toyoda because it cuts out the middleman for localization.
>>537063054Sparky and Violet and AAR>>537062857I also brought up on the same day that you agree on nearly everything Sonic related so having this much of an argument was stupid because it was semantics
>>537060624I see. Unfortunately I am autistic.
>>537063195All I could think was that Violet jumped from Cream to Sage, at first. Then I figured, well, it's either an AI, or someone going out of their way to larp as an AI just to mess with me. But eventually I tried to just stop caring about it and move on.
>>537039337>ian ruined stickshow? I am under a rock
>>537063372Toyoda wrote Forces, your suggestion is automatically invalid
Slashy does this shit and will unironically say he is moral and virtuous.
Barnes is the absolute example of "He does exactly what I want but he has to fucking shut up on social media"
>>537063375>I also brought up on the same day that you agree on nearly everything Sonic relatedLike what?
>>537040259
I see that namefaggotry has been spiraling out of control these past few days. Dogshit general? Yes, dogshit general.
>>537060457>Wave flirts with SonicI missed that one, post it
>>537063549Barnes wrote ONE THING and you all suck his dick
>>537063195>*twirls moustache* hehehe I wanted to see if you were foolish enough to fall for my EVIL plan HAHAHAHASlashitty here thinking he's a fucking supervillain
>>537063549I saw him recommending that the Master Emerald be destroyed to free up Knuckles and I've never trusted him since.
Roger Craig Smith's performance in Frontiers is genuinely my favorite Sonic voice. I'm sorry everyone. I really am. I like it more than Drummond and Griffith. I think it's perfect.
>>537040259>Also there has never been a good "five person" heroic cast in any franchise,Don't you disrespect Teen Titans like that.
>>537063712sonicfans are that desperate>>537063768he is not wrong y know. it can be his long going arc to find the master emerald. sonic team seemed to love doing it during early adventure era
>>537035839>>537031406he cares about his friends but also mostly just wanted to see if sonic could even sit through a movie.
>>537063583You agree on what Amy's characterization should be. And you both hate Flynn for the same reasons.>>537063483This is a legitimate fuck up I did out of bewilderment.
https://x.com/SonicOfficialJP/status/1961202137758912842
Thinking cap.
>>537044539BILL AND SPERM
>>537063768That's why I need him to shut up. I'm not even talking about his politics. I'm getting really tired of him constantly finding new ways to say "I get it guys, I know how to write Sonic like the wind!" whenever the fandom is getting uppity. Just shut up and write oh my god. Even his retarded Master Emerald take would be acceptable since he can't possibly exercise it. It's still shit.
>>537063768He's right though. The Master Emerald storyline should have been closed in SA1,
>>537030531Why does every hog need to blackLiterally they would make the whitest chatacter black because of some danceAnd Sonic and Shadow need to black tooWhy are niggers like that
>>537062750It's not even western shit, it's pure Ian shit.
>>537061816>>537062045>herWhy do you support a dangerous mindset that creates child murderers and suicide victims?
>>537033181yeah this to me is why the movies are dog shit and I never wanted to watch a single one. it's prime zoomer fucking depressed and scared of nature meets literally supersonic uncle ted
>>537063765I get the feeling he said that without any malevolent intent in mind, as far as he'd think.
Krack would never make Sparky argue with a bot
>>537063054Yuki Imada.
>>537034940evil ((sticks)) just embraces her ethnic and religious heritage
>>537064146>>537064146>>537064146
where is sonic blitz?
>>537063845>>537040259There's a whole show where the main cast is literally numbered 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5... and it is PEAK. And Sonic-pilled, since freedom and rebellion is their whole cause.
>>537063984>>537063875From the way he was talking about it, it sounded more permanent.Anyway, StC and several canons in general already figured out the solution to the problem: Give him a reason to be out (either moved away from the island and trying to get back or on some form of business whether that be for the Master Emerald's sake or something related to the Echidnas) and/or give him someone who can watch it (StC had Porker, Post-reboot Archie had Relic, Post-Chronicles probably would've had the Nocturnus clan in general).
>this is a legitimate fuck up i did out of bewilderment.Haha okay buddy whatever you say man. Its not like you have a well and storied past of being a gigantic intolerable asshole or anything.
>>537064006>Why do you support a dangerous mindset that creates child murderers and suicide victims?I don't wanna make them feel bad.
>>537064062I do feel bad about it now because you are one of the posters in the thread I really respect, but my goodness you really shocked me that day on how you would argue so hard over such a minor point.>>537064062I really wanted to see moreso how a bot roleplaying as SAGE would engage in a conversation after that. I made sure it was SAGE to remove any pretense you were arguing with a human.
>>537064248Or...we can just get rid of it. The ME is NOT important.
It's the controller of the Chaos Emeralds.It kind of is.
>>537064285My storied past changes every time and is loaded with falsehoods. I have a storied past of wanting to win arguments constantly sure, but most of it involves me shilling or some off site drama usually because I am eager to argue with people.
>>537063942Barnes clearly wants to be head writer, and honestly they at least should give him a shot to prove his boasts.
>>537053069To be, I don't think anyone knows who G-merl is since the last time he showed up outside of IDW or Prime was Advance 3.His cameo appearance in Prime wasn't even intended, the animators weren't aware he was a separate character, so he fucking dies there.
>>537064235You're right; I take it back.
>>537059160Because Cindy has horrible direction. She did great in TSR for this kinda game.
>>537062821Can't wait see what Amy says here.
