console game edition>Update 10.0 infohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxtlJ06u_lchttps://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/253-august-community-update>Update 9.0 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/247-patch-notes-update-9-0>July Community updatehttps://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/248-july-community-update>Roadmap:https://i.imgur.com/38C5Cg9.jpeg>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2generalhttps://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinksPreviously on the Battle-Barge: >>535931019
Is the power axe only exclusive to Vanguard, or is it available to tactical and assault?
>>537082179we dont knowprobably
>>537081135Depends on what you want. Also as an untested, biased anecdote the damage version feels as if it does more damage, despite there only being like 10 or 12.5% damage.I suggest going the final perks, always. These perks, unlike other weapons, have the largest impact on how the neo volkite is used. The top one increases the damage drastically, such that it crosses the 1 shot breakpoint for minoris enemies, if the explosion is triggered off a majoris or extremis.The bottom final perk spreads 25% heat to the surrounding enemies. This ensures that enemies in a condensed pack will build heat off one another, and you will always be able to trigger explosions. It also can cause a funny chain explosion that is pretty hard to pull off outside of solo siege or a team with all neo volkite.https://youtu.be/eTbenqNCCXc?feature=sharedA few more points I have:1. The explosion scales with the size of the enemy. Minoris have a smaller explosion this gives way less heat and has a smaller radius. The damage I think is also less.2. For minoris, killing them with a headshot doesn't actually seem to set them off with an explosion. They die really quickly though like if you're super accurate they'll die in like 2 bullets. Body shot on the other hand, youre doing peanuts.3. You can build heat through blocking enemies like tzaangors and biovores.4. Your chp recovery will come primarily from the discharge, not the beam itself. Try to keep shit heated for that reason. Here is a bit of a demonstration.https://youtu.be/UPgssX6IR1I?feature=shared
>no player controlled Redemptor Dreadnought vs Helbrute PvP maps
>>537082179probably vanguard, bulwark, assault, tacticalheavy should get combat knifesniper should get chainsword
>>537086286It manages to somehow look less gay and lame without proper arms.
does this even do anything?
>>537089190No
Just give me karak stone already, jesus
>>537089190Functionally makes your shield heavy knock down trash. Practically nothing since you can always just sprint or heavy attack. I don't think it can knock majoris like it's an explosive. It also has antisynergy with the shield damage perk since minoris would die instant to being bashed, esp if your melee has high base damage since shield scales off melee damage (unless they fixed it like the assaults which I doubt)
Vanguard gets power axe because he has the woof skin.Assault will get the power axe because he's the melee guy.Bulwark will not get the power axe because _ despite being the other melee guy.Tactical will not get it, he will get power sword instead because why not.Techmarine is supposed to be the main user to begin with.
>>537096381Tactical getting the powersword is more fitting but I'm not against him getting both either.
im anti heal banner now. war banner feels much better. its up every major fight. 24 seconds is a lot longer than 20 seconds
>>537098390reviewing my steam replays, every single banner drop is kino
>>537099875Banner bros rise up
>>537098390>im anti heal banner nowUntil you get kicked because outside of a small minority everyone expects Bulwarks to still heal even if there are Vanguards around.
>>537102054the real reason why we need an apothecary class
>>537102325
>>537102054not if i'm kicking you first for using fencing weapons :^)
>>537102602All the returning players next week will be using Fencing melee and those who remained switched to Balanced, good luck getting blacklisted :^)
>there was no customization rework at all
>>537103908considering they made a new op AND a new boss without letting us know I'm not even mad.
>will be able to mix champion cosmetics Finally I will make a dude for the wall.
>>537104005Oh yeah, I can't wait to escort a cart through rotatable train tracks or carry the grail. Good for you, I'm mad enough for both of us. The customization being dogshit is inexcusable.
>>537104421Crusader helm will go hard, brother.
>>537104421Currently hoping that tactical and heavy at least get to keep the DA skin's robe and recolour it. Would make one hell of an update to one of my dude wall dudes if real.
every nigger game i join has a nigger afk at the armory
>>537103908wat being able to use the champion stuff is peak bruh
>>537103908Honestly I'm surprised they managed to deliver on that one promise (i.e. adding champion pieces to general customization pool). I was hoping they'd overhaul entire customization system but even if they are planning it, it's very far in their schedule.>>537104592>Crusader helm will go hard, brother.That one is particularly looks cool. I'm really looking forward to it.
>>537109224Some were hoping for a full rework where they unfuck the doll system and open up new options (e.g. swapping decorations independent of the base cosmetic like using any forehead icon with the MK8 helmet, or adding the ability to colour shoulder pad decorations separately from the trim)So yeah, it's a good step forward, but some were hoping for more
>>537110593They did say expect 'some' customization. I'm sure some anon has the screen cap
>>537110784>We are preparing a very big update for customisation
>>537111278Gotta leave the answers half answered so you don't shoot yourself in the foot.
>>537111392They shot us in the foot instead of themselves. Great.
>>537111514How so? It's getting better. I didn't even think we're gonna get champion skin parts 2 days ago. And if what focus implies is true than we should expect more options in the future.
>>537112559>make a fundamentally flawed feature people have been criticizing for a year>promise to deliver very big improvements to it>don't deliver shit>"it's okay haha just leave the corporation alone and look on the bright side" :)I'm happy for you, truly.And hey, we're getting more PVP arenas and chaos operative skins! Now the twelve people across the globe who play PVP are probably jumping out of their skin with joy! Super cool! :D
>>537113169I haven't actually kept track of their promises (since those promises don't tend to matter), what is it they've actually promised in regards to customization expansion?
>>537113731this: >>537111278
Librarians never everKsons in pvp never ever
So was this a miscommunication or is it suppose to come with the September Update?
>>537115485necron ops never ever
>>537113954I dunno why you would expect more from them considering their track record and how vague and subjective that promise is.
>>537117394>guy dies behind you>no glancing back>not even a moment of hesitation>beeline the other guy and steal his killsjesus what a faggot. you're one of the guys who post stats here aren't you.
>>537117986that guy was out of line. but dont worry the sniper b lined to him while the flag killed everything. its okay to be on the floor while the mission is secured
>>537117358You're right, dogshit is the only thing one should expect.
>>537115852It should be coming with the Sept 4th update
>>537115852I'm not even surprised, they put out confusing information so often (like in-game tooltips for example). I believe by "is now available" they are trying to say that it's technically already working on their internal version whereas we are going to get it next Thursday.Hard to tell if it's them being Russian, French or whatever or they just don't verify their own texts.
>>537120508Again, there was a screenshot last thread that seems to imply that the current changes we get for champion cosmetics is not all we will be getting. That bitch hylia only said it's "some" customization available next patch. I'm not gonna white knight saber but this is clear improvement.
>>537126125>I'm not gonna white knight saber but this is clear improvement.beware, you'll summon the autist
>Auto Bolt Rifle going still meh after all the buffs to a must-grind just because of the Combi-Meltahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDSZkZfrtI
Because nobody's capped it. Two of the modifiers from the video not mentioned in the blog.
I see you brother and I am with you.I will ground pound the nidders off you.I will snipe warriors and set up executes for you.Let our chapter's flag provide safety and certainty. I will shield you from enemy fire.I will auspex the nidders even if it's a pack of warriors.
>>537127124These are bulwark timesFencing times evengonna have to actually build up different loadouts for this shit
>>537127124I did send a pic last thread, but yeahThis one is really cheesable with fencing, or a major challenge if you want to do one using blockThe other one looked interesting, because while this one is a major increase in difficulty, the other one was a variant that looked easierSo they won't all be different variants of torture
Xenophase Blade gonna round out my Deathwatch Bulwark nicely.
>>537127124I'm very curious about this. How much will they reduce the window by? And will be it the same for all type? Cuz reducing the parry window by 50% is not the same for block or fencing. Well , for block it shouldn't be too bad if your timing is super tight. The most difficult one will still be balanced. Honestly, it not dark souls level unless it's like 5 frames.
>>537126125This Brother has the right attitude. Be thankful for what the corporation gives you. Even getting an extra color is a big improvement.
Kill nidders. Behead nidders. Slam dunk a nidder into the rockcrete. Flying kick a nidder with a grappling hook. Cut nidders in half with a chainsword. Plant a flag on a nidder's corpse. Snipe a nidder's head. Slash nidders with a power sword. Chain stomp nidders. Frag nidders. Execute nidders. Auspex nidders. Ground pound nidders. Full auto nidders with a heavy bolter. Vaporize nidders with plasma. Obliterate nidders with a power fist. Stab nidders with a combat knife. Exterminate nidders with a neo-volkite pistol.
>>537132274I can see the simplest solution being a flat time modifier rather than a percentage. That would make Fencing able to fail.
The game is like $35 right now. It seems this is a worthwhile price for what it offers. How’s the pvp in this game? I’m obviously interested in operations but how’s the other half?
They might be keeping tight-lipped about some of the new Hero Tier weapons. >Banana magazine>Twin barrels
>>537135564The PvE is the primary meat and bones, but the PvP has a small dedicated fanbase with crossplay between all platforms. You'll come across the same faces every other match, but it's not dead, and next weeks update which is bringing in the classic Dreadnaught mode from SM1 is no doubt going to bring people back.
>>537135836I don't think that's a second barrel, too thin for it. That's just a common feature of the old bolt pistol. It likely is the new heroic bolt pistol though.The other heroic tiers we know of can be seen here >>537058240
>>537135836The extended mag makes me hopeful this is full auto.
>>537127124Not an issue for Fencing, Balanced users get fucked hard. Block negroes gets roped with that modifier.No one is going to use Fencing since they do tickle damage, no one cares about pure speed and no cleave.
>>537140597Except that modifier gives you Bulwark's parry perk for free. Bulwark probably OHKO's everything short of bosses with that modifier + his own perk.
>>537135564Pvp is absolutely dead dogshit do not purchase it for that
>>537141031They locked the Chaoshitter armours behind PvP, it'll be alive at least for an entire weekend.Gotta win 5 matches from each class to unlock.
are they going to increase block weapon speed?
>>537135836It's the gas tube anon. Or the holder for a comically oversized bore brush.
>>537141464never, Block is now the no speed retard option
I'm more interested in the friendly fire on modifier, can't wait for malding idiots seethe hard and votekicking becoming common because random niggas can't aim.
>>537141931>retard runs in front of charging plasma cannon>gets vaporizedI cant wait.
>>537141464no, it was not a bug, they did it on purpose.
>Iron Hands cosmetic pack to finally even out the prosthetics somewhat>Raptors cosmetic pack to give is more tacticool stuffThey're gonna be the two high mileage cosmetic bundles for sure.
>>537141464best they will do is block week, fencing week, balanced week
tbqhwyf it's starting to feel like Year 1 was intentionally half-assed because they were never confident the game would even succeed. How do you go from spuffing out 2 pistols, 2 enemies, 3 Ops with 1 boss, and Siege Mode over an entire year, to a singular update having at minimum 3 new weapons, 4 new distinct variants of existing weapons that are going to fundamentally change how the weapon works, an entirely new PvP mode, a new Operation with a boss confirmed and 2 more in the pipeline, a new modifier system for Ops to keep them varied, and 3 new Chaos enemies? This is literally more in one single update than we received in the past 12 months.
>>537142496Dipshits gonna learn to evade away from my firing lanesI know how to avoid FF, i can't help stupid though
>>537144950Slavoids are retards, more news at 10
>>537115852Big if true. Complete overhaul would've been better but I'll take what I can get for now. My dudes will be getting some overhaul of their own once this hits. Boy, Wall Anon will have a lot of work.
did anyone here unlock all of the siege mode colors?
>>537144950they ditched QA and are just churning content. 10.0 will be a buggy shitfest.
>>537145410>>537115852We might get lucky and they'll open up some of the cosmetics between Tactical = Assault = Bulwark and Vanguard = Sniper.
All those updates and they didn't fix loading screens and getting server disconnects
>>537144950Standard dev pipeline to be honest.>First year, see how your product does, don't put in too much effort because there's no telling what will happen>Based on first year's performance, either scale back/end production or double downSpace Marine 2 was one of the biggest successes of 2024, so Y2 is gonna be bloated with content.
Power axe should be for Tactical, Assault, Bulwark, VanguardPyreblaster should be for Tactical, Vanguard, SniperGive Heavy the combat knife and the Sniper the chainswordShame that the Assault bolter didn't make it, could have given the power fist to the Heavy as well
>>537146047>Give Heavy the combat knife and the Sniper the chainswordLost technology. Impossible and can't be done. Devs said it themselves. Forget it, Brother. Move on.Other ones I'd be fine with.
>>537134042Issue is fencing literally has double the active frames over block. It was never meant to be this good but sabers incompetence + community bitching ruined any chance of properly balancing it
Honestly all I want is a helmet editor to add different heraldry to each different helm em like a laurel with a chapter icon on it and so on and so forth
>>537146515I sure as shit would love this feature. Hopefully that's the rest of the customisation they plan on doing.
>>537146762>Hopefully that's the rest of the customisation they plan on doing.No? That's absolutely not something they plan on doing.
Watch the "redacted" pack be Deathwatch armourDoWniggers got thrown out to the bin with the Carcharodons update, that only means that internal server data shows that there are more space sharks out there than thieving magpiesAlso indirect L to Minolosers
>>537146950Does your dad work at saber?
>>537146997>Watch the "redacted" pack be Deathwatch armourIt could be anything. It could be Retributors to tie-in with Astartes II, or it could be Blood Ravens to tie-in with DoW4. The only reason it'd be redacted is if the devs haven't gotten the go-ahead to do it, it's not like they need permission to do e.g. an Emperor's Scythes Champion.
>>537146047Give assault some primary when he has the smaller melee weapons, you cowards. The abr, bolt rifle, and plasma. Hell give him the pyre blaster. It's gonna be shit but I don't care - he has a fuck ton of perks that complement a ranged build. Not giving him a primary is just lame.
>>537148510>Give assault some primary that's what the assault bolter and plasma exterminator are for
>>537148716Assault bolter seems like itd be a side arm. I have not seen the plasma exterminator in the game file.
>>537145528I do but it's a shitload of grinding. You're looking at 27 sets of 5 waves (you only get colors every 5 waves) as Assault (only class with every pistol and every melee but knife), 87 sets of 5 as Tactical (Carbine/Melta/Knife overlap with Vanguard, Carbine/Stalker/Knife overlap with Sniper, HBR overlaps with Heavy, BR, ABR, and Plasma Gun are exclusive), 6 sets of 5 as Vanguard (Instigator overlaps with Sniper, Occulus is exclusive), 6 sets of 5 as Sniper (Las Fusil and Bolt Sniper), and then 9 sets of 5 as Heavy (Heavy Bolter, Heavy Plasma, Multi-Melta) not sure if the math is completely correct, I downed half a bottle of like 18% sake a few hours ago
>>537150691So spam Assault and Tactical and then do the exclusive guns for Vanguard, Sniper and HeavyHeavy has the most exclusives since Sniper only has the bolt sniper rifle and las fusilIs Assault fun even in normal siege mode?
Best game I have had in a long time. Very good players. Even had a 30 second carnifex melt.
>>537110593I predicted this.
>>537151512no, because assault has most of his good perks locked much later, if you have them its fine
>>537110593Going that far would probably require too much dev time. A project for SM3.
>>537151512The only difference between Bulwark and Assault in terms of weapons is that Bulwark doesn't get the Inferno Pistol while Assault does, which means you tack on an extra 3 runs as Vanguard, Sniper, or Heavy instead. It's not worth the effort to unlock every skin for every weapon, but is if you want red skins for the weapons you do like so you can larp as 2e marines or white skins for Iron Hands
Assault shouldn't get any standard ranged weapons. Instead there should be a new option to wear Gravis armor for all classes, and doing so with the Assault turns him into an Inceptor.
>>537152607>Instead there should be a new option to wear Gravis armor for all classesDumbest idea I've ever seen spewed in this general.
>>537152027Then you're better than me at predictions, I predicted less than this
>>537150691Do you have to use the weapons to get the colours for them or do you just randomly get rewarded them?
I predict that they will forget to add a datavault challenge for the new mission or the chaos spawn.
>>537157431Random colour for a random weapon that your current class can accessNo need to use the specific weapon
im new in this game, whats the best youtuber for builds and the meta?
>>537159106First tour guardsman is a good place to start.
>bulwark dies to carnifex and leaves>finish killing it>tactical drops some paragraph, presumably to bitch about something, then immediately leaves before i can read it>plant rest of bombs by myself>finish mission without too much trouble besides an annoying biovore spawnidk man
>Chest plate from Twitch streams>Helmet (hopefully with clean variant) from ImpFists>Phobos presumably being given out for free or from accolades>Leg MIALike all of these, I'm getting closer and closer to a good batch of Raptor-esque cosmetics, not even including their own bundle.
Power Axe
>>537160408reduce resolution, increase bitrate
>>537159814well? if they both left there must have been something wrong with you.
>>537091641I'm not kidding saber, put the paint color in the bag and no one gets hurt
just came back to the game recently and siege mode is insane, how are you supposed to beat 2 carnifex, a zoanthrope and a million warriors on wave 15? i havent even touched hard yet
>>537161747Wait till you find out enemies get defence and damage bonus starting from wave 15. It's like 5% per wave so when you're at wave 25 they are taking 50% less damage while doing that much more.
>>537161747https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET6xDxZjf2gPick a top tier and get good.
>>537161747You summon the dreadnought>wave 1-5No one buys shit except for ammo boxes, there are some scattered on the map so you'll probably only do this onceIf someone buys health and/or guardsmen you and/or your team is dogshit>wave 6-10Same thing, no one buys shit except for ammo boxesBuying a medkit is allowedYou can summon a Heavy (the best AI) on waves 9-10, if you time it right it'll carry over during wave 10's double Terminus boss fightAt this point your team should have completed all of the side quests from waves 1-8/9 alongside class quests that you can dump points to the dreadnought but don't summon it yetOne or two of you can buy a guardian relic provided the dreadnought points are already fulfilled>wave 11-15Everyone alternates buying the Heavy, ammo boxes, guardian relics and medkitsAfter surviving wave 14 you summon the dreadnought and head his way since he's slow and you'll be murked by 3 Terminus enemies at onceOn wave 15 everyone kills Minoris, Majoris and Extremis targets, ignore the Terminus enemies and let the dreadnought deal with themFor helmet grinding make sure your team gets Tyranids on wave 1, it's near impossible to acquire if you start with Chaos since triple Helbrutes were not playtested by the inept Russian devs. It's only going to get harder with Chaos Spawns.Another disgusting combo are triple Neurothropes and Biovore spam, also a known run killer.
>>537157431Random color for ANY weapon that the class can use, which means that if you clear 15 waves as Tactical and go back, you could get 3 ABR skins despite never touching it in 200 hours.>>537161747Dreadnought and marine bot. Guardsmen exist as filler to tickle enemies you're being attacked by but can be "helpful" if you're on the other side of the map finishing secondary objectives. If your weapons and class aren't already built around killing extremis as quickly as possible, you're never going to have a good time
>>537161747in hard you follow >>537166085in normal shit is easy until waves 11+wave 11-20 normal is hard wave 6-15if you're just colour grinding just play normal wave 1-10 and keep repeatingno point wasting time getting your ass reamed on wave 20if your team is good you can beat wave 25+vanguard heal is absolute if you plan on going far, you can fuck around with any class in normal save for the assault who'll nosedive in usefulness after wave 10; in hard taking assault is throwing out the session and you'll highly likely be kicked
>>537168017assault is still bad? i heard they buffed him a while ago
>>537168347i play assault in normal, i just don't go beyond wave 10 or 15if you want a minmaxed economy color grind play tactical, bulwark instead and play a bit more sniper or heavy for the inferno pistol
>>537160408>video is 2 basic light attacks and then parrying and executingReally says basically nothing about how the weapon will play
>>537168347Nah assault is pretty good now. The problem is 90% of the people that play this game are fucking retarded.
>>537168347Assault has never been BAD bad, but the ability to one-shot some warriors every 40 seconds and mediocre survivability upgrades plus no good team perk makes him sit far below the shenanigans that the rest of the classes can pull.
>>537168347It's shit in siege mode, it's okay now in Absolute operations.
>>537171683>Assault has never been BAD badHe was literally without question the worst class in the game for like six months.
>>537173631Not a full year at this point?My point is the game was never so difficult that he couldn't participate in it (until hard siege released, maybe), but that he is and always has been bad relative to the other classes.
Assaults get mogged by Biovore, Zoanthrope and missile Terminator spamIf a Neurothrope shows up you're down one player since Assaults can't deal with that
>>537173896>My point is the game was never so difficult that he couldn't participate in itHe was unanimously considered a throw pick when Absolute was first introduced to the point he was a kick on sight.
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>>537174003>assault jogged by biovoreSkill fucking issue>missile terminatorWho doesnt>neurothropeOK you're just baiting
what can I expect from the imperial fist cosmetic pack? never bought one of the others.
>>537186412>GuaranteedHelmetHelmet without Chapter emblemChest piecex1 Shoulderx1 Weapon skin minimum6+ Successor Chapter presets with appropriate colors and basic iconography>MaybeAn additional armor piece, usually a legMore weapon skinsIt's worth you getting the Imperial Fists Champion pack, because by next week you can take certain parts off and use it in your own designs.
>>537146515This would've been the way to go from the very beginning, but who would've thought that in a setting that's pretty much based around making your own models a in-depth customization system would be the best choice.Something like pic related is a nice start if they ever get around to it in SM2.Also, we know for a fact that Mk III helmet from IF champion skin will be available without its plume, so it's a big plus for me because I wanted it on bulwark for the longest time (if it's available for him ofc).
>>537188705The Mk III helmet in question. From the promo materials for 10.0.
>>537191210Nice. It will probably be in the IW chapter set if I had to guess
>>537191775Meant IF. Doubt we'll get chaos warbands
Considering they can't pad out the Carcharodons or the Raptors cosmetic packs with Successor Chapter patterns, we might actually get a few more armor cosmetics out of those. My hopeful ideal is around 7-8 instead of the usual 3-4.
>>537194114Get ready for them to fill the pack with a variation of the chapter colour scheme for each company or something
I just want more sniper capes man. Ones that don't clip with the shoulders.
>>537191210thats not a mark3 standard helmet, in the mark 3 the visor is a singular plate that is contiguous with the rest of helmet, and not have these jutting hinges on the side, its closer to grey knight armor or specific to imperial fists or a variant of mk 4
>>537194114They'd be smart to at least do that for the Raptors, because the Raptor's more generic military aesthetic ties into every Chapter, not just their own. It'd make it a 'must buy' cosmetic pack for everybody if it was filled with bandoliers, grenade belts, sheathed knives etc.
>>537161017I guessI think the tac was mad I was dealing with all the adds instead of trying to dps race a carnifex with 2 randoms
Looking forward to the new Beakie
>>537197469The Raptors are the lamest fucking thing. The marines are all about rule of cool, gothic extravaganza, and ornate shit. But then some fedora tipping fuck was like "let's come up with some marines who are the total opposite of the norm in this setting and they're SEWIOUS military nuts with camo and grenade belts and shit". So fucking gay.
>>537204295bandoliers are cool though
>>537204295Anon, the Raptors are specifically singled out in-universe as strange cowards who besmirch the faintest concept of honor. They're a Chapter that I'm also fairly certain would never be blessed with divine intervention like the more fanatical Chapters because they're too down to earth.
>>537203520Is that right shoulder new as well? It looks vaguely like the Blood Angels DLC shoulder but that doesn't have the wreath and it can't have custom emblems on it.
>>537207545Looks like it. Found a new chest piece too.
>>537207545>>537208638https://www.reddit.com/r/Spacemarine/comments/1n3er4t/even_more_new_cosmetics_were_teased_in_warhammer/Reddit already compiled a list of the new cosmetics shown, crazy that we’re behind them on that Embarrassing
>>537209015Dawn, we eating good next week.
>Imp helmet>Imp chest>Imp shoulder>Laurel beakie>Laurel Mk8>Mk4-like helmet>Phobos helmet>New chest>New right shoulder>Twitch alt aquila chest>Twitch single skull chestMore cosmetics in one update than what we got in half a year, and it's still missing some of the data mined stuff. AND the old Champion skins are getting broken down too.
even the loading screen has popping textures
>>537218853Sakuga
I am fortifying my bread.
>>537228484
bulwark's damage on block ability is so nutty
I’m gonna need like 2 solid hours in the character creator when they drop the new cosmetics and unlock champion skin parts.
I'm helping my friend play ruthless. It's a lot easier than I remember.
>>537229607>incapacitations: 2 >on ruthless
>>537229607quads
>>537229607do you guys still use the steam group for codeposting or is it dead too?
>>537229558Intimidating aura was a mistake
>>537230225so was the healing banner but saber has no balls
>>537230809>nerf the healing banner>buff vanguard's healing>remove the healing banner>add the apothecary classwhy is saber like that
>>537231184desu the problem isn't that healing exists, it's that it fucks with Bulwark's playstyle.
>>537229850Yeah he's new.
>>537230001No this is an IRL friend that had pre-ordered the game and just got around to playing it a year later. This was literally the first time in four years he's gotten on steam. We've been playing Deathwatch, I'm a Crimson Fist and he's a Blood Raven.
gooning nidders with the block buff is awesome. i dont even use the double damage perk
>>537232782i want trying to test if the block power sword could one shot too, but look at this. this game is totally fake. enemies dont actually attack you and every ranged attack misses. its literally an illusion to simulate a game
>>537233279Termagaunts are only programmed to attack you if you’re pressing buttons, and every ranged enemy has a much lower chance to hit you if they’re not actually on screen, with the exception of the sniper warriorRanged enemies that are off-screen have a very low chance to hit you Not sure why they did this but I always tilt my camera away from ranged enemies when I’m fighting them
Don't even care for the Black Templars, but this Champion skin fucking MOGS the previous releases. It's not even close. It's the first one I've even considered using and he's not even out.
>>537233905It's the fucking executioner's sword that does it, for me.
>>537233905If they've piecemealed him properly, the helmet, legs and forearms will be useable for your own designs for other Chapters too.
I just cant enjoy assault, it seems so ass compared to bulwark/vanguard.And it was my favourite in space marine 1, i cant even tell what the issue is, hes more fun for using the hammer but even there the bulwark has great perks for it.
>>537234497assault is uniquely enjoyable. jet pack man can do things no other class can
>>537234497well this is a better example of actually using the jet pack to kill things
I love doing decapitation as Assault cause you can use the ground pound to clear the staircase instantly and your second GP to go over the railing and land next to the entrance of the church at the end of that courtyard you'd normally need to cross.
>>537234894a single swing from the balanced power sword would kill all these gaunts.
>>537229606I don't spend money on the champ skins because that's silly. I hope there's enough new shit for people like me in the customization department.
>>537238894>he didn’t just have the Y1 season pass Weird
>>537209015>we’re behind them on that We're still leading the pack. We've had those in the last thread already >>537011836 , sans the IF dude but this one was posted by someone yesterday too >>537191210
>>537238053A single swing of what? Power whirl?
>>537234675>>537234894One of these takes almost half a minute to do what other classes could do in seconds (albeit in a very cool way)The other kills gaunts, which could just as well be done by killing a synapse creature (or with basic melee)It's cool that the class can do this, but in terms of power it's basically nothing.>>537237854Oh yeah, that does look like a frowny in profile and not a primaris helmet. Good spot.>>537239109Spending over 40 dollars on a few packs of cosmetics is weirder
Did they mention anywhere whether Y2 Season pass will be available before the anniversary patch or on release day?
>>537239303God damn that khornzerker champ looks so good.
>>537239671no other class can fly across arbitrary spots on the map. in terms of power the best thing in the game is heavy plasma, then the power fist. assault power fist deals more damage but bulwark can heal an has a shield. if you want to power max, assault is pretty good since heavy is quite boring
>all those Fencing shitters coming backAwful update
>>537241778I'm sorry, if I see a glowing arm, an explosion or a slowdown you're getting kicked
>>537242650God I hope the AOE block explosion is fixed in a couple days. It's literally as easy as clicking a box to fix it.
>>537242650I don’t know how to tell you this but fencing is DOA now It’s over People watch to see how you parry now If they see you parry early and still get it you get vote kickedIt sucks but just bring balanced, if you bring fencing now you’re asking to get kicked
>>537243930>If they see you parry early and still get itKickanon...
>>537240041>immune to stagger during missile barrageit's just such a shit enemy
>>537243930Fencing players don't kicked, slow ass Block players doFencing players don't play melee and rely on gunstrikes
They are starting off pretty strong this year, especially with so much wargear being added to the mix and considering the following>Champion Pack => Champion Skin + Weapon Skins>Cosmetic Pack => Armor Pieces + Colors & Liveries>Chapter Pack => All of the abovethe customization pool grow will naturally even if they skimp on making more standalone cosmetics, which I doubt they will. They're going to double down on content from the looks of it.I'm wondering though what the REDACTED chapter will be? Grey Knights? Legion of the Damned? Minotaurs? It'd be funny if it was a Loyalists Chapter Pack.
>>537246093>fencing players don’t play melee Yes they do, that’s why they take fencing They’re not good enough to use block or balanced
reminder>auto kick and blockedlow level, non-max prestiged retards on absolute and hard siege modeassault on hard siege modeblockniggers (glowing hand, explosions, slow attack speed)anyone with melta weapons especially the pistolbulwarks who don't healvanguard without extremis healtactical without the free grenade tactical carrying other than the stalker bolter or plasma incineratornon-relic weapons, fuck off back to ruthlessspeedrunnersdying a fuckton of timesgoing on a blood ravens hobo hunt on item locationspuke and meme coloured chapterssummoning the dreadnought before wave 15 hard>warned, then kicked out if you still remain a niggerexecute stealing/spammingmedkit hoardingnot helping out on objectivestaking too long in a routeammo crate/drop pod hugging crossing over someone's line of sight, wasting a las fusil or charged shotkilling the mob when an assault is in the airbuying guardsmenbuying any non-heavy space marinerollslopping during an extremis heavy wave
>>537229607nice quads
>>537243380That bitch hylia said it is in the discord. Glad my incessant complaint finally went through.
What’s the best yellow, blue, and gold for Close Support, Fire Support, and Veteran/Command?
>>537248665I just hope it's not some gay special snowflake shit like Grey Knights or Custodes.Also it's crazy that Carcharodons and Raptors got in before Blood Ravens.
>>537256098averlandnight lordsunfortunately there's no good gold color among primary and secondary colors so just go with valdor or liberator, or use mods
>>537253457Hell yeah. Looks like it's block weapons 24/7 again.
>>537257064Thank you.
>>537257175Even without that it was good and now people will finally see it at max power
>>537248665Gray Knights would be funny but unlikely. Still more possible though than Legion of the Damned. These guys have been memory-holed for so long, I feel we could do with some whacky skins like flaming wargear.Really, hard to say. Maybe Deathwatch? But would they even need a Champion skin? In their case releasing that damned (pun unintended) prologue armor set would've been enough for most I believe. All Founding chapters will have their Champion by the time Iron Hands get theirs, so maybe Unknown Founding ones?
>>537258264>Grey KnightsI mean I like the dudes. If anything adding them would probably give us terminator armor (since Aegis Suits are unique to them) , because I can't imagine a GK running in a primaris gear. So that alone would make me want them added in. I wish we had a Librarian class in the game so we could run rampant as a psyker.
>>537256098The artistry of squinting at a dark red wing against a black kneepad in order to see its squad 19 rather than 4.
>>537256098I wish there was more heraldry made for Chapters. Not all of them are have theirs fleshed out.
>>537260363I wish there wasn't.>Oh you're a veteran sergeant from company x and squad y? Then you must have retarded purple pauldrons and bright green knees and an orange stripe across your head.Nah, fuck that.
>>537260363Same
>>537233905>no chain wrapped around his sword armSigismund would be disappointed
How would you buff HBR?
>>537250278okay, have fun playing with bots
>>537248912>Yes they do, that’s why they take fencingNo, they don't, that's why they take fencing so they can shoot their guns and then have a safety parry button and spam gunstrikes
>>5372658184 unique skins
>>537265818same way i would fix every other bolterhalf way through the perk tree you are forced to pick one of 3 ammo types; >kraken bolts gun behaves the same way, flat increased damage, no damage falloff with range>dragonfire rounds penetration removed, AOE similar to plasma charge shots, applies DOT, reduced base damage>vengeance roundspenetration removed, large increase in damage, reduced weapon recoil and spread
>>537203520That’s a new chainsword too.
"The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a race that is strong, that has giant cocks which our own women lust after, and despise it out of jealousy." - Uthan the Perverted
>>537270640Bullets don't have damage fall off. That's unique to the smg. >>537265818Well if the penetration is to be kept than>all body shots damage is quadrupled so gunning horde isn't a complete waste of bullets>increase headshot damage bonus by 100%>reduce total ammo capacity by 50%There that'd make it so you can easily wipe horde out but it'll cost a chunk of ammo - just like before but you're doing it at quarter of the time. Decrease ttk, but make ammo less available. This will make headshots far more rewarding but make body shots far less punishing.
>>537279061They do. That’s what the range stat does.
proven efficiency or strategic strikes?
What do you think the other heroic-tier weapon swaps will be? Other SM and DW weapons I can think of are the heavy bolter with flamer, frag cannon, assault cannon, other combi- guns, and the storm bolter. Encarmine weapons are exclusively BA weapons so I don't think those will be anything more than a skin
>>537281210i dont know the perk names
>>537281210Strategic strikes helps only melee classes only against extremis. Proven efficiency helps every class against majoris+. Unless you want to take your team perk to help just yourself oneshot extremis enemies with certain things, proven efficiency.
>just saw the newsHow are we feeling for the 4th brothers?Also can't believe this general made it this long.
>>537285825Genuinely excited. I wasn't expecting them to do as much as they are.
So are the "3 new weapons" all coming out on the 4th at the same time?
>>537286297Yes. The exact number is questionable of course, since two of them are just small and big flamer, but they're also adding some of the heroic weapons of which at least combi-melta is genuinely a new one (and the rest are just pure unknowns for now).
>>537239958I imagine it'll be released on the same day.
>combibolter>normal bolter and Melta rifle>none of the benefits of the ABR/HBR and are stuck with an inferior extra primary Not even an ABR/HBR with a Plasma Incinerator attached or a flamer.
>>537265818>Introduce bodyshot multiplier>Give all fully automatic weapons a higher bodyshot multiplier over the headshot multiplier>Excluding the "accuracy" versions which swap over to headshots dealing more damage>Then introduce 2-3 new perks related to bodyshot damage
>>537281210i use strategic strikes with block weapons and proven efficiency with balanced.
>>537270640The guns all already behave as if they're firing kraken bolts(penetrating targets). Regular bolts are supposed to explode in the first thing they hit.None of the bolters should even have damage falloff in the first place, the entire point of bolts being gyrojets is so they gain velocity in flight and maintain direction of travel.
>>537285825I'm not enthusiastic, I highly doubt even a new tier(assuming it's a new tier and not just fancy cosmetics) will make bolters worth being called bolters.Feels like we're using stubbers most of the time.
>>537287167It's an ABR with the melta, not standard bolt rifleImportantly, if this was easy to set up, we could easily get the other combi-variants later.
I honestly am worried stratagems are gonna suffer from the same problems I've been having with siege mode.Still haven't figured out at all what causes the freezing on my linux install
assault is going to be so fucking strong once the chaos melee majoris comes out. two blocks and i can ground pound kill a dozen majors
Brothers, any codes
>>537285825>How are we feeling for the 4th brothers?What do you mean by this? Was you talk about 4 team or new bolters?
Dude the ABR is so fucking insanely bad holy FUCK.
>>537292182the heavy bolt pistol is better
>>537292182How would Dev balance it if they were planning to buff ABR?
sniper should get the new flamer, the regular bolter, the combibolter and chainsword desu
>>537294180they need to introduce stagger mechanics like other anons have suggested. right now there is literally no point in shooting unless you are hitting the head. the smg is the only exception and thats because it deals so much damage.
>>537290419I'm not sure if I'm having the ESL moment or you are, but I meant how everyone's feeling for the 4th of September aka patch 11.
>>537295110>I meant how everyone's feeling for the 4th of September aka patch 11.Oh, alright, I understand clearly, although you should have said that when you posted because it caused confusion for me.
>>537294180Please stop. Yes, we can tell.
>>537296364You should learn English, pidor.
>>537297246Gracias
>>537297246Russian game for russian black templar roleplayers
They can add Chaos Spawn all they want, but the narrative is quickly going to switch from "Chaos aren't fun to fight" to "holy shit there's no fixing Obelisk and Reliquary."
>>537299532Chaos spawn is going to be the chaos biovore. Screencap this post.
>>537299532Don't forget fall of atreus. That shitfest of a map makes no narrative sense and it ruins everything about it.
>>537285825I had a 11 month break and it's nice to find the thread still active. As for the update I'm cautiously and I hope they won't lose their shit and introduce another cohesion mechanic. It was fun while it lasted though.But hot damn what happened to Dude wall? It used to be a raw image and now there's a whole website.
>>537299875I don't mind Fall of Atreus too much, it doesn't have entire segments that are effectively "you're not really playing the game right now." Those being Obelisk cucking the Chalice holder for 50% of the mission, and Reliquary's bridge run where enemies don't spawn 90% of the time. FoA's turntable train section at least keeps the combat going while you're bulldog guarding the button away from the mentally disabled who don't understand a children's puzzle.
>>537300269>and Reliquary's bridge run where enemies don't spawn 90% of the timeNigga are you playing minimal or did saber broke something? I haven't played it since i got the pauldron, but i remember it was the hardest section of that op
>>537301010All missions completed on Absolute, all classes at Pres4. Enemies don't spawn on the bridges, and it doesn't matter if they did because the fire kills them anyway. The towers between the segments are where enemies spawn, but it's dumb to not just run through them because they spawn endlessly in those areas. So, with that in mind, the entire bridge is effectively a near-zero combat zone.
>>537301010>but i remember it was the hardest section of that opthe hardest part of reliquary is the catacombs. it's the only area in the game where there's a real threat of the ammo crate running out of ammo. everything after is a joke.
>>537301616Well at least theres a guaranteed crate there.
>>537301616only people that abuse heavy's plasma complain about ammo
>>537301010No, it happens even on absolute. The bridge is either diabolical BS with terminators hitting you from out of LoS no matter what you do while you try desperately to retain health or a literal promenade walk.
>>537299532It'll only make Vox Liberatis even harder :)
Oh fuck no
>>537309714What's the matter, anon? Evade away from my firing lines, hahaha
>>537309714honestly FF should probably be enabled at like 50% for normal missionsonce you get used to it its very easy to account for
I think it's kinda cool that Saber's answer to "Chaos suck to fight against because of the ranged spam" was to introduce more melee units. A lot of developers would have just reduced the Rubric spawns and called it a day.
Best Operations character personality wise? For me it's Straban
>>537309714This is going to cause such a fucking shitstorm.
>>537319547People are gonna learn to stay out of my heavy bolter firing lanes real fucking fast I don’t care if you’re a Bulwark or Assault and want to melee, you stay out of my lanes or you die basically Sorry not sorry haha
>>537319934>implying I wont turn around and dump a full charged shot of plasma in your face
>>537309714And then there's the unspoken modifier that are public lobbies. Truly chilling.
>>537309714The character most cucked by this is Sniper, because now you can't Las AOE headshot targets through your teammates to help them with the kill.
>Black Templar Bulwark ChampionAssuming the devs continue to be sensible this year, it's gonna be>Blood Angels Assault Champion>Raven Guard Sniper Champion>Iron Hands Techmarine Champion>Mystery Champion probably Tactical as people are guessing it's either Blood Ravens or Retributors
>>537320993This might not mean anything but in the year 2 trailer, they show artwork of Dante when they're mentioning the blood angels champion pack on screen.So almost definitely it'll be an assault champion.
>>537322078It's definitely gonna be Dante-esque in appearance, which is most fitting for Vespasius who loves to wax lyrical in combat.
>>537320993Redacted means DeathwatchPrimaris DeathwatchThey don't need to hide if its a Blood Ravens cosmetic pack, I wager they need to advertise it because their S2 will sell way more if they did
>>537322649Nah, there's be no reason to hide what Chapter the Champion was from unless there was a possible chance the idea being pitched has a non-100% of being locked in. A tie-in with DoW or Astartes II has the chance of being snubbed, hence why the theory is "Redacted" is to cover their asses.
>>537320149You’ll already be dead by the time that happens
>>537309714>friendly fire added at the same time as flame throwerslol I am getting ptsd from aliens fireteam elite
>>537281139They really don't though. Plus>Stats on the weapon descriptionCmon now. It's been a whole year, we shouldn't be looking at that garbage for any useful info.
>>537281210There is only 1 team perk for the assault currently, and that is proven efficiency. The other two are either trash (squad cohesion) or selfish (strategic strike). Strategic strike helps with reaching certain breakpoints, however.
>>537294180With how underperforming it is buffing it would be balancing it. >>537295097It would be nice but ultimately the issue is with its atrocious breakpoints. They've buffed the damn things damage by like 20% + 15% headshot damage at this point and it's still hot trash because they've been doing the buffs wrong. It should also be done from a point of breakpoint, not arbitrary bump in base damage which results in barely any meaningful changes.
>>537327714That was a fun time lmao>>537309714Honestly the biggest issues would be explosives and barrels, but just evade away from my firing line hahahha
>>537331245WE ARE ALLIES
>>537313051In all fairness if they just make rubrics actually try to melee you if would help a lot too...
Bruh
Quads
>>537336267>>537337161Happy for you that the Sons of the Phoenix chapter marking is coming this upcoming Sept. 4th
>>537338739Wonder if they'll give us any Black Templar decals?
>>537338739As am I. it looks like we are getting a lighter purple for them too, which is nice. Still waiting for a nice burgundy. Too bad there is no confirmed Blood Ravens pack.
Iron Hands getting a consolidated giga-pack with both cosmetics and a Champion tells me the devs might actually go all out for them. I'm sure that's going to please the 12 Iron Hands fans that exist.
>>537338739Why no soul drinker chapter?
>>537340672I think GW likes to prefer to pretend they don’t exist now
>>537340672>>537340889Soul Drinkers aren't Imperial Fists successors. They believed they were, and the Firstborns who died trying to salvage the honor of the Chapter as it fell to Chaos are honored as brothers in IF memorials, but their Founding Chapter is unknown.
>>537340889Are you telling me that they get squatted?
>>537341136Thanks but I didn’t ask?
>Can finally get rid of that ugly ass skullThe aquila looks so much better like this.
>>537342936You quite literally asked for it.
>>537343026No I didn’t, all I said was that I think GW prefers to pretend that the Soul Drinkers don’t exist
>>537343749Because for all intents and purposes their interesting lore died with the Firstborns, who weren't Imp successors in the end. To my knowledge, the majority of their Primaris reinforcements don't even know the actual story of what happened.
>>537344030Right but like I didn’t ask you to reply to me with any supplemental information or anything If I want you to @ me I’ll tell you to, damn
>>537319934SHOOT ME AGAIN AND I WILL TAKE YOUR ARM
>>537344149I'll respond to you all I want with info dumps, slut.
>>537344921You’re a real fucking brat you know that Don’t @ me again
>>537345545Oops.
>>537309714You could just play all 3 ranged classes (sniper, tactical, heavy) and properly move in formation.
I DO like skulls very much as decoration. They are 100% a declaration or identification of humanity as of course only humans have human skulls.
>Sloptuber who has covered this game since release doesn't know how to pronounce Charcharodons
>>537347467How does one pronounce arbites?>ar-beet-is>ar-bites>ar-bit-us
>>537347897Trick question, it's Ar-bih-teez.
>>537347897it would be ar-bee-tees or ar-bi-teesyoure just inflecting the "b" or the "i"
>Theres a working Imperial Guard modSo the devs really just lack imagination
>>537352912>Man I sure would love to play as the Imperial Guard in the game called SPACE MARINE
Which classes are getting the axe
>>537355769>Man I should would like to only eat vanilla my ENTIRE life and never do ONE creative or fun thing ever
>>537355910>ConfirmedAssaultVanguard>SpeculativeBulwark has a high chance.Tactical is a big fat maybe>Intelligent deductionSniper no.Heavy no.
>>537177447>>537177104>>537176403Based, but this only works because fist is OP.
>>537357415>Heavy no.But could you imagine with those melee damage buffs.
>>537355975If I wanted to play IG, I'd go play an IG game.
>>537357763>A autistic guy with a couple hours made IG playable in a highly functional state>Proceed to bootlick Sabre for never doing anything creative or putting any effort in at all Slurp slurp slurp
>>537357863You're confusing not wanting my burrito palace to sell pasta with claiming burritos are the greatest thing in the world. Pasta does not belong at my burrito palace.>Food analogy
>>537358593>Food analogyFucking lmao slurp slurp vanilla boy
>>537358593>Food analogy The models, animations and units exist in the game. His point is that they could have easily made them playable for almost 0 effort such as making siege mode a thousand times more interesting instead of it being worse than even SM1 horde mode.
Lightning Claws will be released in this window as a surprise.Think about it real hard.
>>5373588860% chance of extra content, they can barely fill a year
>>537359339We're getting more content in next week's patch than we did through most of last year.
>>537359380Yeah, fuck all.
>>537358828>brooooo siege mode would be 1000 times more interesting if you played as a IG trooper with a lasgun that tickles warriors and then dies in a single venom cannon shot Yeah… so much fun… whew wee…
>>537359551>game would be more fun with more contentYes.
>>537359551>Food Analogy into StrawmanYou have a small penis and need to compensate by playing as space marines
>>537359420If this is your idea of fuck all then I'd hate to see you with any other game.
>>537359838One modder has added more weapons, cosmetics and classes than what will end up being TWO years of fuck all content.
>>537359551You would die in a single hit but you respawn instantly to the trooper next to you and there are a lot of you running around.But that should be reserved for a dedicated Guard game which for some inexplicable reason has not been made yet. Battlefield is the perfect franchise to base it off on and nothing happened for years.
>>537360174>which for some inexplicable reason has not been made yet.Because these idiots make games like Space Marine instead of just 40k: The Shooter. Total War Warhammer showed that warhammer fans have no shame and endless wallets.
>>537359707I’m NTA, I just know that siege mode as a guardsman would fucking suck and is a terrible idea that only sounds good to a retard LMAO
>>537359898Modders aren't constrained by GW.
>>537360174So is it “we need playable guardsman in Space Marine 2” or “they should make a totally different game about guardsman?” You dumb bitches can’t even make up your minds, pick a stance.
>>537360657Neither is Sabre
>>537360989They are. Watch the Phobos helmet be class limited to Vanguard and Sniper.
>>537360582>>537360678>Samefag didn't refute Called it. Small penis fag detected lmao.
>>537361039>Yeah bro, the reason why modders have multiple classes added and Sabre hasn't even started 1 is because GWS said no Do you even realise how stupid you are
>>537361108Are we seriously going to pretend the classes added by the Astartes mod aren't the definition of fan feature bloat? They're all OP as fuck.
>>537361240>It is an insurmountable challenge for a AAA studio to add in more classes even though modders already did it in no time with minor balance issues that would take 0 effort to fix At least we can both agree there. Sabre is too incompetent to add anything good.
>>537361394>"New classes!">With ripped assets and models either from the game itself or other fan projects>Using perks and features from already existing classes>With "new" weapons that just use animations from already existing onesYou'd be really impressed with the absolute dregs of Fallout modding where people just take existing guns and slap new models on them.
>>537361547>Excuses You are such a cute little corporate cuck
>>537361661No, I simply recognise asset swaps and how lazy they are.The Techmarine coming with an Omnissian Axe and his class ability being the blicky on his back starts blasting adds more to the game than an Adeptus Custodes with a reskinned Thunder Hammer pretending to be a polearm.
>>537361765Didn't read
>>537361547>Pointing out how easy it is to make classes and how little extra effort would be needed to turn those mods into functional content >Pretending this is a 'win' for Sabre Sabre have done fuck all with their post release content, most of it has been dogshit and they're nickel and diming players with bullshit like charging for COLORS in 2025 when even fucking SM1 was free. Base game, worth it for the cost. Post release? Fucking joke. If you spent even a cent for the crap they've shoveled you're brain dead. And you think you stupid faggots actually thought SM2 was going to compete with HD2 lmao.
>>537362171If you seriously think flooding the game with reskinned classes using assets from other classes, with reskinned weapons using the same animations from other weapons is a good idea, I'm going to point you to For Honor which entered absolute zombie mode propped up by whales because it started doing exactly this like three years ago and everybody who wasn't an addicted whale quit out of boredom, because the "new" heroes were just the existing characters in new outfits.
>>537362517>Implying the existing classes are complex or unique Holy shit you're dumb
>>537362718And yet you peddle for more of what we have now instead of something actually new. What a self-defeating argument.
>>537362769>No bro you just dont get it! Its too complex!You must work at Sabre, it matches the low IQ low effort of SM2 post release "support"
>The classes are unique!>The classes are not unique!Lol you can tell he's butthurt as fuck and trying to save face
>>537362517HD2 did it, minor changes to make guns act differently. Its good, lots of fun. I suggest you play a good live service for once so you can see how dogshit SM2 has been in comparison.
>>537362858>>537362915I'm not saying it's complex, I'm saying asset swaps are fucking cheap and lazy. You are simultaneously saying the classes are simple, and yet want asset swaps. You're complaining about shit yet asking for the exact same shit.
>>537363047>I'm saying asset swaps are fucking cheap and lazy.You know what else is cheap and lazy? Adding nothing. You stupid nigger.
>>537361060>>537360678?????????Anon we're all anon here
>>537363047>NO BRO YOU DON'T GET IT ITS TOO COMPLEX BUT ALSO ITS NOT COMPLEX You're the biggest Sabre cocksucker I've ever seen
>>537363090I'd rather have nothing than more of the same diluting the pool even further.>>537362971>HD2 did it, minor changes to make guns act differently. Its goodThe weapon pool in HD2 is considered comically bloated and samey, with most people running the five same actually unique guns + the best of the repeated archetypes. So Eruptor, Crossbow, LibPen, Cookout, and the Purifier.
>>537363175>I'd rather have nothingLucky for you that matches whats between your ears.
>>537363143>I'm not saying it's complex, I'm saying asset swaps are fucking cheap and lazy.This is a pretty simple point you're somehow not grasping.
>>537361108>Sabre hasn't even started 1 is because GWS said noyes thats literally the case, you stupid fucking tourist, that literally what happen with every warhammer game, they did it as recently as the last total warhammer dlc, where they gave the new handgunners repeaters from the outriders and they were forced to change them to back the normal handgun
>>537363175>The weapon pool in HD2 is considered comically bloated and sameyFucking lmao. So you don't actually play any of these games. It figures.
>>53736326090% of the guns in this game are shit copies of a much better gun.
>>537363175>with most people running the five same actually unique guns + the best of the repeated archetypes. So Eruptor, Crossbow, LibPen, Cookout, and the Purifier.You have very clearly never played Helldivers. >>537363253Post proof, show the email or phone call or community message pointing out that GWS stopped new classes being added until year 2.
Some anons really wouldn’t be happy unless Saber hired 1000 new devs, got $1,000,000,000 pumped into their budget by GW and then released one new class a month, three new weapons and three new chapter packs a week, a brand new Guardsman Battlefield mode, and a Naval Battle RTS mode huh?
>>537363330To be fair, Sabre are notoriously shit at post release support and everyone knew from day 1 that this game was going to be a pump and dump. Which is exact what it has been.
>>537363327>You have very clearly never played Helldivers.Oh please enlighten me how the Halo AR is such a massive divergence from the Adjudicator, or try to convince me how it's not just a worse version of that gun.
>>537363175>So Eruptor, Crossbow, LibPen, Cookout, and the Purifier.Let me guess, you watch youtube one time and think you know balance lmao >>537363402>Halo AR is such a massive divergence from the Adjudicator>He doesn't know Of course you don't you dont even play. I would be shocked if you even play SM2 as you're clearly just shitposting.Just shut up and let the adults talk.
>>537362171>>537362858>>537362971>>537363090>>537363143If the current state of the game genuinely gets you so heated why don’t you just likeStop playing the game bro lolLike genuinely just uninstall and leave, Saber isn’t going to read your posts about how much they suck here Or are you one of those guys that’s gonna bitch and moan but keep playing anyway lmao
>>537363175>The weapon pool in HD2 is considered comically bloated and sameyI've seen a lot of bitching about HD2 but not once has anyone been as stupid to claim its bloated. The guns all fit niches and very few are samey. It sounds like you're just jaded as fuck.
>>537363473dont you have a street to shit in
>>537363473>durr you haven't played it!!!!!Posting again just to make you look more like a clown.
>If the current state of the game genuinely gets you so heated why don’t you just like>Stop playing the game bro lol>Like genuinely just uninstall and leave, Saber isn’t going to read your posts about how much they suck here>Or are you one of those guys that’s gonna bitch and moan but keep playing anyway lmao
>AAAAAAAGH SABER FUCKING SUUUUUUUUUUCKSOkay… so what are you gonna do about it?
>>537363473>no you dont understand there's actually a massive fundamental difference between this medium pen ar with 30 rounds and this medium pen ar with 32 rounds
>>537363524>Stop playing the game bro lolNot the burn you think it is when the game has 10k players left lmao.
>>537363647>He doesn't know >>537363631I dunno, probably post about it here considering we have fuck all else to talk about.
>>537363631Nothing, he’s gonna argue and shitfling here until he calms down and then play the game tomorrow.
>>537363524I have, triggering brain dead corp cock suckers such as yourself is my post release content
>>537363709>He doesn't knowthe first person view is nothing special dude. the halo ar also has one of the worst standard reload speeds in the game to the point people are taking siege ready or reinforced paulletes just to unfuck the gun.
>>537363778>They're the same>They're not the same
>>537363657I didn’t mean it as a burn, I mean it for your mental health It’s not healthy to just stay in a space that upsets you and yell at everyone about it but refuse to leave it You’d probably feel better if you just uninstalled and moved on, genuinely
Lets be honest the game was doomed because of Chaos and PvP. Think of the resources wasted on both when we could have gotten Orcs instead.
>>537363832Triggering you by pointing out your hubris and bias brings me joy but I accept your concession if you want to stop shitposting any time.
>>537363905Yeah, you have my concession. You win. Done posting now?
>>537363832>WAH WAH STOP POINTING OUT FLAWS No. If faggots like you were in charge of this game we would have been stuck with the dogshit class balance we had at launch. People criticizing the game has done nothing but improve it.
>>537363806the fpv is not a fundamental difference in how the weapons work in terms of how they feel to shoot, at best it's a cute nod to the halo games. when people say "fundamental differences" they mean how the guns actually operate in terms of dps, spread patterns, ergo, not a visual gag.
>>537363806>try to convince me how it's not just a worse version of that gun.
>>537363976I didn't win anything, I was always right and you were always just getting mad at objective facts. Sabre are lazy and the post release support is a joke. Glad you admitted it.
>>537363986>They're the same>They're not the same
>>537363854Think about the Naval RTS mode we could have gotten instead. Now THAT would be a good use of dev resources.
>>537364089We literally have that game anon
>>537364020I agree, you’re right. Done posting now?
>>537364072you have a wildly different interpretation of what people mean by differences in how guns feel to fire. this is very much a (you) problem. the jar dominator vs. the liberator is a prime example of the differences people mean.
>>537364196Once you stop shitposting sure
>>537364196>>537363976>No UTypical corporate cocksucker.
>>537364230Damn dude, my girlfriend argues like this.
>>537364213>They're the same>They're not the same
>>537363832>It’s not healthy to just stay in a space that upsets you and yell at everyone about it but refuse to leave itAnd yet you've been shitposting for an hour fucking up the thread with your inane babble. Its nice they're finally adding something with the next update but you're just a retard for pretending they've done a good job this year.
>>537363596>jaking in 2025 That’s actually wild to see, for a second I got teleported back a few years lmao
>>537364338i hope for your own sake this is a bit you're doing.
>>537363047>You are simultaneously saying the classes are simple, and yet want asset swaps.Every single class is just a lazy asset swap they should never have done classes anyway that isn't how space marines work most of the time
>>537364528>No bro you just don't get it I am the arbiter of uniqueness and they're the same!>They're not the same
>>537360657>Le GWS boogie manYou faggots need to stop posting this as if it has any semblance of truth to it. Sabre is not held back from adding new guns/classes because of GWS. The thing holding them back is them instantly ditching SM2 for SM3 because they didn't have a good post release plan to support the game.
>>537364605>ap3 fully automatic rifle with an effective range of roughly 70 meters after bullet drag, that has around 30 rounds in its magazine, that is effective at taking out small numbers of armored enemies but struggles against hordesam i describing the halo ar or the adjudicator?
>>537364884>They're the same>They're not the same
>>537360657I always love when people try to white knight the multi-million dollar corporation with made up excuses that make zero sense. I wonder what causes this mentality.
>>537364909it's a simple question if they're so different, anon. which gun am i talking about?
>>537365096>They're the same>They're not the same
>>537365096>>537364884>>537364528Would you shut the fuck up? A. No one cares and B. This is a SM2 thread you stupid nigger.
>>537364884>640 rpm, 18.5 recoil, 60 ergonamics vs 550 rpm, 24 recoil, 40 ergonamicsIts easy to make everything sound the same when you're a disingenuous faggot who omits information to try and save face now read >>537365176 then stop posting any time retard.
>>537364973>I wonder what causes this mentality.Consumerism. They don't have lives, what they consume = their life. Attacking their products = attacking them. Its sad.
>>537364973What if not all criticisms leveled against the corporation are logical or valid? Should they be allowed anyway, or are they open to criticism too?
>>537365257>the most innocuous stat changes means the guns are differentcouldn't post an actual attempt at an argument until your boyfriend showed up, i see.i guess the liberator and liberator carbine are wildly different too, and not the same damn gun with some minor stat differences.
>>537365352>They're the same>They're not the same
>>537365414>gun>same gun with slightly faster fire rate>totally differentwatch out guys, the bolt rifle (damage) and bolt rifle (accuracy) are completely different guns now. i guess space marine 2 actually has like 50 guns.
>>537365327Then you start defending the corporation's honor online. But only with excuses you just made up and have no basis in reality. And hopefully tattoo their company logo on your arm.
>>537365678Is it possible to criticize an illogical attack on the corporation without being a bootlicker?
>>537365781Of course, but only if you don't use imaginary excuses.
>>537365781No, because no attack on a billion dollar corporation is illogical or wrong They always deserve it
>>537294180>How would Dev balance it if they were planning to buff ABR?Its genuinely not possible to fix the balance because you've got multiple leveling weapons, multiple difficulties, multiple modes and two factions. Its made much, much worse by the existence of spongy enemies too. The aim should have been making the guns satisfying, not making the enemies able to resist the guns.
>>537365609>They're the same>They're not the same>>537365781Yes, but you haven't done it and got butthurt about it. They're right sabers updates have been few and far between with not much in them.
>>537366190You have singlehandedly ruined this thread, you're a fucking faggot. Just non-stop retardation from you for the past hour. I'd rather the general be dead than deal with retards like you.
>>537366394there's no arguing with a guy who's been inadvertently arguing heavy bolter (accuracy) and heavy bolter (venting) are different guns without even realizing he's been doing just that.
>>537366135>>537294180Also even though this is Space Marine, the Bolter in Darktide is better in every way (untl they nerfed it into the ground like assholes). Because you use the gun like a crossbow, where each shot is a single huge shot that deals catastrophic damage. The only time you went full auto was against bosses which were large so you didn't miss and extreme damage sponges (justifiably because no one wants a boss to die in a few hits). The baseline for ABR should have been one or two shots to the exact center of a nids head killing it.
>>537366394That was my first reply to your stupid shitposting but you pop off queen I'm sure you'll win or whatever the hell you want eventually
>>537366449>The baseline for ABR should have been one or two shots to the exact center of a nids head killing it.I hope you mean Minoris, because you've just made this game a joke considering the hard cap on hordes is down to consoles. So current Absolute/Siege.>>537366508That was my first post to you, retard.
>>537366394>Not even replying to the right anonLolLmao Rofl
>>537366537>I hope you mean Minoris, because you've just made this game a joke considering the hard cap on hordes is down to consoles.Darktide doesn't have any issues with larger hordes
>>537366551No, I did.
I like how you can tell who’s underage here just by their posting style
>>537366135Not really? The hardest difficulties are balanced around having Relic weapons (and later Heroics) so that's a fairly simple baseline.
>>537366394I love it when a shitposter thinks they're not the problem. You can stop replying shitting up the thread any time.
>>537366612Darktide LITERALLY had to cut the horde size down by like 40% to even run on consoles. This was one of the biggest complaints ever raised against the game.
>>537366652>Not really?Except nothing is balanced so clearly the devs can't handle it
>>537340185Every other chapter's pack is a Blood Ravens pack.
>>537366612>Darktide doesn't have any issues with larger hordes
>>537366674>Darktide LITERALLY had to cut the horde size down by like 40% to even run on consoles.And? Poorfags get worse experiences thats the cost of being a poorfag. You're also not considering the fact you can reduce the amount of ammo, increase spawn rates and tweak other settings so that guns feel good, kill quickly, but difficulty stays high. >>537366758This quite literally proves my point that people prefer weaker but hordier hordes than fewer enemies with more HP.
>>537358886Hunger and Slake desuChainfist
>>537366537>hard cap on hordes is down to consoles.Thats the consumers fault not Sabers
>>537366818>And? Poorfags get worse experiences thats the cost of being a poorfagEVERYBODY got affected because it has crossplay. The horde size has complete parity across all systems. Old horde numbers got gutted because the game has to run on an Xbox Series S.
>>537366875>EVERYBODY got affected because it has crossplay>Doesn't include crossplay preventing this Wow. Hard. Very challenging.
>>537366875Darktide proved that you can make a Bolter that feels great to use. Theres a bazillion ways to make a game fun and challenging after that fact.
>>537367171Well the issue is Darktide treats the players as being made of paper, as it rightfully should, so hordes reflect the same damage thresholds out of fairness and fun. People often talk about the "power fantasy" of being a space marine, but if that were the reality, every enemy and us should be dying to a single burst of ranged fire. A Venom Cannon would fucking decimate an Astartes, not get shrugged off with a little wound like we experience now. Balance goes both ways for the player and enemies.
>>537340185raven with blood tear aquila for chest, pauldrons and leg piecesgive scipius long blonde hairthunderhammer skingold trimmed jetpack
>>537367347>A Venom Cannon would fucking decimate an Astartes, not get shrugged off with a little wound like we experience now.With the new mutator mode coming, I hope its a testing ground for SM3 and they add a glass cannon mode. Enemies and players get a 90% HP reduction, players get a 50% ammo reduction vibe. The thing missing is cover/cover systems so it will be janky, but it would be really interesting to see if people can make it work/if its better.
power sword or chainsword on assault?
>>537369269Whichever one you feel like
>>537367404The SM1 Blood Raven pauldron was fucking peak.
Instead of saving armor combinations and color combinations separately, they should just let us save the dude himself wholesale. And a lot more than 4 of them per class.How is everything related to customization so bad in this game?
>>537372130Small development team, please understand
>>537367662The thing is that Space Marine's trademark is an aggressive power fantasy mixing melee and shooting. Guns feel weaker than they "should" be in SM2, but it also comes way closer to achieving that fantasy without just ending up as a noticeably easy, slightly boring shooter. The game rewards being in the thick of it and using both options when you have the chance, which is good. Being a glass cannon in a "keep attacking, fuck cover" sort of game works, you have games like Ultrakill and Doom Eternal, but those games rely on extreme mobility and a power level that would feel genuinely weird for a Space Marine. I don't know what the solution is. Darktide is not at ALL an aggressive game, you're weeding down a horde as carefully as possible more than you're taking the offensive. If your gun killed majoris in very few good shots but with gutted ammo cap that would force you into melee against minoris more often (which wouldn't be fun without changes imo, melee shines when it's something you're doing briefly before going back to shooting)Part of me wonders if the solution is, to an extent, having feedback that makes "sense." Making majoris look and feel heavily armored or whatever. People typically don't bitch as much about Halo Shields being so tanky.
>>537367171Because you basically fire the bolter into nothing but the cultists from SM2, it feels great against them too.
>>537376678It feels good even just firing it in DT. Seeing it from the human perspective really helps sell it in a way that SM2 just can't because of how space marines interact with the weapon.
>>537363537Huh fucking what you're telling me the ARs all occupy different niche? Liberator? Tenderiser? Liberator carbine? How about the knight smg? Hellghaz smg? I mean shit saying helldivers isn't full of bloat is just wrong.
>>537363380Actually if WWZ is any indication of how they'll handle this game in the future I'm seriously not worried. Well , at least the post launch support part.
>>537380816they do kinda occupy different niches (liberator is vastly different from the lib carbine for example) but attachments royally fucked that up among other things
>>537380936I haven't played wwz in years. Definitely before the big gun overhaul. I liked vanguard the most because it was the only class with a unique ability.
>>537375086Ive written some feedbacks and did some polling as well. I think most people would agree with reducing the total ammo of bolt weapons but increasing their effective damage accordingly. The difficulty of the game is always resource management, right? I think bolt weapons should absolutely be able to obliterate horde and elites, but with the cost of using up precious ammo. Upping body shot damage and headshot damage drastically but also reducing overall ammo would make the bolt guns feel much better to use but also make it so usage have to be a little more judacious to incenticize players to engage in melee combat.
>>537381163Balance wise I couldn't say much about wwz since Ive not prestiged any classes, though I think vanguard is the only class I haven't played at all. A lot of my criticisms of sm2 actually stem from the game (perks, weapon archetype etc) being made with that games skeleton. That said, their continuous support of the wwz put me at ease with sm2. Plus theyve done a lot to help out modders, which some people here seem to not realize. Hell, arguably the single most important mod, the test arena, would have been impossible without those tools.
should i take the gun strike perks even with a block chainsword?
>>537381680Ye just get comfortable with dodging for gunstrikes. For minoris though just use heavy attacks
>>537381315I dunno. I don't really think the melee combat is very fun on its own, it's not darktide where it feels snappy and responsive. Being discouraged to use your gun on minoris even when it's the all-rounder gun auto and not something made to kill majoris super fast doesn't sound like it would be super fun in this game. other things would probably have to change too. shooters about pushing forward and resources for killing run into this problem over and over again, if you just make the player strong as fuck and don't have any kind of counterbalance it's mindless. if you care about having tension it's not very fun.
>>537382710Yeah, the melee is hardly what anyone would call complex. My argument for the bolter changes are such that you can use it for either majoris or minoris effectively, but at the cost of ammo. Thing is, that's how the game is right now pretty much. Sure you can use a hbr against a crowd, which it will work, but it's hardly efficient since it takes a lot of ammo unless you want to aim at the heads of each of them while burst firing, which kind of defeats the purpose of it being a fully automatic weapon.The game was build from the ground up as a hack and slash with a side of shooting, so naturally you'd want to be doing both, regardless of class. Problem of course is using a bolt gun vs using a melta or plasma gun is far too different with the former having no real niche.As for difficulty balancing I think modifiers will have to be the next step for that. Absolute atm is... Well I can't say I clear true solo all the time but most of the times I die because I get nuked, not because of attrition. It still needs to be adjusted for sure.
>>537378028I think sound design is key in selling the "weight" of a gun. In SM2 bolters sound quite "flat". I know we're playing as space marines and they shrug off any visual recoil, but the guns overall need to have this "meaty" quality to them. I might be in minority in that regard though.
>>537383539All three auto bolt rifles sound like shit. So does the bolt pistol.
>>537383448I feel like that could be part of the solution (Doom Eternal still got the complaint that weapons were "too weak" individually, but it got the complaint less than SM2 does and they were definitely individually stronger I would say) but I don't think darktide is what they're aiming for. they're aiming for flow state action gameplay more than they are typical horde shooter resource management is the impression I get, and I like combining stuff to get results, it's engaging. I also personally like being able to rely on my guns for minoris for the most part bolters work alright in combination with other mechanics like melee, parry, nades, gun strike. I feel like as a whole the game generally works. The game's just missing something to keep laying into a warrior or whatever from feeling like kind of a comical waste of time. i'm interested to see what space marine 3 does. I hope they have an interesting solution and don't just go "uhhh we made it more of a straight shooter and it's easier now but w/e people seem to like that." the fact that they didn't instantly hyper-buff everything when people complained and stuck to their guns on a few nerfs gives me hope that they won't do that at least but I'm worried they'll just do space marine 2 again since it's relatively safe
Each bolt should rip off limbs and flesh. Soldier of Fortune > SM2. Enemies heads should be a hitbox, with another critical hitbox inside on the brain. 2-3 for headshots, 1 for critical headshot. That should be the baseline for the basic bolter.
>>537388014>"remove melee from the game, please"
>>537388069You fags lack any imagination or basic gaming experience. You can easily balance this in a thousand ways. Most shooters dont use sponges for enemies.
>>537388149>you lack imagination>btw any game that doesn't have every enemy keel over in a few bullets is bad and I won't be swayed on this mattermost shooters are boring as FUCK dog, simple fun at best. i'll boot up an arcadey shooter every once in awhile but I'm not gonna get much out of it compared to every other one on the market. It's literally just a balancing decision like any other to make enemies resilient. How to make the gunplay fun in spite of that is the interesting part, not going "uhh we'll just dilute the game into headclicking I guess"
>>537388412Thats a you problem, no one cares.
>>537388412>HD2>L4D2>DRG>Darktide>BoringDisagree.
>>537388451and yet there are still plenty of popular shooters that have conditionally tanky enemies because it's just a reasonable thing to have in a game if you don't want combat to be simple as fuck
>>537388412You are defending a game where it takes half a mag or more to a head for a kill. Its the most unsatisfying boring shit imaginable. I would rather 2 mags across a whole mission than the +20 we get.
>>537386987I think saber is not against making big changes. Hell, the entire block weapon system, the coherency system (that might return as a modifier), and the powerfists are all examples of big changes that shifted the meta. They just need feedbacks with objective evidence and reason, I think. They mentioned that the block explosion will be fixed in the next patch, and considering that it's been 6 months since it got broken I'd say someone's definitely keeping an eye out for the feedbacks on their own support channel. Ill still give em chances to change some stuff up.
>>537388759>conditionally Exactly my point, thank you. SM2 isn't conditional its everything being a sponge which is boring you're right.
>>537388760i'm not defending SM2's exact implementation I'm just triggered because "everything should die in one good headshot, that is Good Gun Feel" is the literal apex of moronic shooter opinions
>>537388926Its the popular choice because its the most fun choice. And it would fix one of the biggest issues with this games terrible guns.
>>537389043it's an opinion on par with saying you like all music except rap and country, loudly announcing that you have no taste and zero interest in expanding your horizons and trying anything but the blandest of slops
>>537388819The changes they have made are minor, mostly bugs and tiny balances changes. They're not going to radically shift the game since SM3 is a thing now.
>>537389131>trollingGet a life.
I think part of the reason why they balanced bolters as such is because of auspex and parry bonus. Those right there straight up big a 2.25* damage multiplier to any individual damage, by default.>>537389178Block weapons got massive changes. Power fist got a whole new stage-based charge mechanic. Those are far from minor. I do agree that for ranged weapons they've been pussyfooting. If they had any idea how their own damage formula worked they'd know 5% damage literally contributes to nothing
>>537388598And Killing Floor 2, one of the most satisfying shooters ever.
>>537389378Block got buffed because it was bad, still is anyway. Fist already had the charges, they just had no damage. Neither of these were major and the rest of the weapon changes have just left us in the same category where parrying more often and reliably > everything else.
>>537388889>SM2 isn't conditional shit mostly just works like halo. you lay into a shield with your primary it's going to suck dick and take too long. you use other mechanics like grenades and plasma and it's much more comfortable. bungie halo isn't perfect either mind you, but you've got auspex, nades, parry and block. if you fire on an enemy before you do any of that they have a habit of going down almost instantly, likewise with firing on them afterwards. maybe they'll do another big shakeup in SM3 to make it feel better.
>>537389563I'm not gonna debate on whether block is good or bad, but powerfist did not have stage charges. That is factually incorrect. You were either doing 2* damage or you were doing 9*. There was no inbetween. And after they buffed the charge speed, the range of power wave, as well as the aforementioned mechanic, it became one of the best melee weapons.
>>537389786Yes, it did, you literally just said it.
>SM3 adds an armor mechanic>Each shot/melee hit physically rips that armor off enemies>Then each shot/melee hit actually blasts/slices their body up like Revengeance >No more matched animations, just actual damage on enemies A space marine can dream
>>537388598l4d2 is the only one of those that I think is pretty much immaculate as a co-op game, all of the others started boring me pretty fast for different reasons although I really like DRG's deformation stuff and the co-op roles
>>537389991You should play Binary Domain.
>>537390316vanquish afterwardsthe actually insanely good japanese robot shooter targeting american audiences that isn't that popular from the 360 generation double header
>>537389846OK let me rephrase it this way. There were only charged or no charge with the powerfist. You're either doing 2x damage or 9x damage with the Shockwave. In an update it was changed so you can charge it 3 times, with each charge resulting in more damage. This was a huge change because you are actual incentivised to try to charge as much you can but you're not punshied as much if you couldnt, whereas before you either never did it because you couldnt charge it at all, or you'd have to sit there until the attack actually came out on its own because it didn't do max damage unless that happens. That made the weapon far more usable and interesting to use. They haven't touched the powerfist motion value since like patch 3 when they increased the charged damage by 30%. It was those changes I mentioned that made the powerfist worth using and more importantly fun to use. These were huge changes. Just ask anyone who uses the powerfist before and after that patch.
>>537390316>>537390381You will not be surprised to know I have played both. Always been a fan of actually deforming enemies instead of just locked animations but its a lot more work/skill to do.
>>537390559Can't relate, never had an issue charging before or after the update to max. Sounds very much like a skill issue.
>>537390634Lol right right I'm sure you were able to
>>537390790You seriously need to get good if you can't max charge any of the weapons.
>>537390914>any weapons?
>>537392952>Fist is the only weapon that can charge
im torn between blood angels and imp fists. what would you guys go with?
>>537393113We were only talking about the power fist. Why are you bringing other weapons up
What can i do about random games where i get 130 ping leading to lag so bad as if i had like 2k ms?its completely random, me and my friends get it no matter who hosts completely randomly.
>>537400103130 shouldn't be that bad, so it could be spikes where you rubber band? It's possible it's a server issue.
>>537382710IMO the way to improve melee combat, while also taking into account the constraints of console gamepads which is the limiting factor, is to introduce a stance switch between ranged and melee. This would allow for a far greater variety of combo inputs, which would expand melee and make it more engaging.>Change StanceLB>Class AbilityRB>Ranged StanceA = DodgeB = ParryX = Reload/Contextual InteractY = Equipment>Melee StanceA = DodgeB = ParryX = Light attack/Contextual InteractY = Heavy attackRT = Gun StrikeWith heavy attacks being decoupled from contextual holds of the buttons, you've essentially doubled the possible combinations. Because now holding the button can instead create alternative versions of both light and heavy attacks.e.g.Light > Heavy > Light (Hold) > Heavy (Hold)Light > Heavy > Heavy > LightHeavy > Heavy > Pause > Heavy > Light (Hold)You could do this seemingly endlessly with the four possible combinations for some stupid combo lists.The change also decouples gun strike from ranged combat, meaning no more clunky hipfire gameplay.
>>537401246For the current game they just need to rework priority. Some attacks should just have better poise damage so you can actually always interrupt certain attacks. If the thunderhammers charged aftershock could interrupt enemies out of their attacks, for example, without adrenaline surge it would make them feel much better.I would love to have a more complex melee system but with how most of the community are casuals it wouldn't be in their best interest to make the game more complex. I mean you get people who unironically think fencing requires any skills to use yet block is too hard to make use.
>>537400771the issue is that 130 is a fat lie, that wouldnt be an issue youre right but it feels like its 2k in reality.I parry a warrior and the gunstrike icon pops up 2 seconds later and once i use it it doesnt do anything, this is not 130ms.
>mfw this thread during EAP timeshine on, best region
space marineswe are the space marineswe are the space marinesour enemies die
>could've chosen librarian>could've chosen chaplain>choose techmarine
>>537418071Librarian would be OPNot sure how Chaplain would even fight, they're just armed with clubs and a pistol, what would even be their main gimmick/skill?Techmarine should drop turrets or the class will be dogshit since there are no tanks/aircraft playable in the game
>>537418409>it would be heckin op!>not sure how that could even work!nigger, these classes would just fight like every other fucking class in the game but with one special abilityif the game didn't launch with assault your dumbass would be sitting there saying it's too op and the game is not built for jump packs, how could that even work?!?!?!
>>537418409Just do what Space Hulk:Deathwing did and give Librarian a shitty spell or two as crowd control. Chaplain had a group revive (compared to Tactical's single revive) and an ability to reflect damage and be invulnerable for like 45 seconds, which would actually be broken
>>537418071Techmarine having an auto-gun that starts shooting everything around him while engaged in melee is cool as fuck, don't @ me.
>>537420590>having an auto-gun that starts shooting everything around him while engaged in meleesounds like playing in a typical public lobby. you even get two of them usually!
>>537421625Okay, but it's an extra one, so more DPS.Techmarine's entire class identity is either gonna be around ammo/armor regeneration or buffing weapons anyway. Honestly there might be entire class rebalances to shift Tactical away from this kinda stuff.
>reinstall sm2>play coop>two missions, good fun>host leaves>loading screen>load in>other person leaves too>loading screen>load in>search a new game>loading screen>load injesus fucking christ why is this still a thing
>think about playing Absolute again>nothing but leveling new players trying to get carried, don't even have team perks half the timeThrow that whole difficulty into the garbage. It was doomed the second they decided not to gate it behind rank. It's now the lowest forms of life in the player pop trying to get free XP boosts.
fun fact: as all game devs these days, saber was required to appease DEI paper pushers by changing a number of characters in the game to blacks. However, they did so in their hallmark sloppy way. e.g. even though they gave the heavy weapons fireteam guy a niggerface they forgot to change his white arms.
also jesus what the fuck is that shoulder pad
>>537429261If you can’t carry two noobshitters through an Absolute the problem is you Not saying that shitters being able to play Absolute isn’t a problem though
>>537418071Based, I hope we also get a warpsmith in pvp.
Anybody else realising how cucked Sniper is with U10?>TacticalCombi-MeltaPyreblasterHeroic Bolt Pistol>AssaultPower AxeXenophase BladeHeroic Bolt Pistol>VanguardPower AxeHeroic Bolt Pistol>BulwarkPower AxeXenophase BladeHeroic Bolt Pistol>HeavyHeavy PyreblasterHeroic Bolt Pistol>SniperHeroic Bolt Pistollol
>>537444241every weapon type is getting a heroic version
>>537444241Please refer to pic related Brother.
>>537444756>A knifeI hope he's getting more than that, because he's still way behind everybody else.
>>537430473You are such a massive faggot. I'm so glad you're too much of apussy to say any of this outside of an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum.
>>537444241Every weapon is getting a heroic version. Only a few weapons are getting a swap for something else. I do hope the heroic heavy bolter is the deathwatch heavy bolter and flamer gun because I think it's hilarious
>>537420590That isn't how its going to work. The auto gun is 100% going to be some shitty weapon you switch to and use manually.
>>537429261>All difficulties give the same amount of XPFags think this is a problem, but it isn't. Difficulty should be played because you enjoy it.
>>537445907it will never cease to amuse me how angry saber devs get when you can literally just show them the receipts of how cucked they are
>>537445907Except hes right lmao
>>537418071Big axe go wham wham
>>537418409>Librarian would be OP>Not sure how Chaplain would even fightHow do retards like this even come to be. These units fight in the front lines, all, the, fucking, time. Additionally its a fucking video game, ANYTHING can be UP or OP. Its just fucking 1s and 0s you absolute mongoloid retard.
>>537418071The actual reason you shouldn't be mad at this is because Darktide has both of those in slightly different versions. Techmarine however could be totally different. Also whatever the fuck happened to the Apothecary they 100% promised that.
Some stuff on Techmarine/Engineer that was leaked before for those that don't follow each thread.
>>537449843And selection for his mounted weapons.
>>537449753>Also whatever the fuck happened to the Apothecary they gave bulwark the thunderhammer, the number of people playing healwarks went down, Dmitry Grigorenko, Game Director, was asked by shareholders to take his meds, there's now no need for an apothecary class.
>>537450043>>537449843>Not until Q1 next year Snooze. Once again Saber is failing to get their priorities right. Trying to force round pegs in square holes. 1. Ditch PvP no one cares2. Ditch Siege, it was a flop3. Ditch Chaos, NO ONE CARES 4. Focus on Stratagems + Tech Marine, get both out this year, introduce a Nid and a Chaos matchmaker for this mode (so everyone can avoid Chaos just as they should).
>>537450043And the omnissiah axe. Disregard the astartes model. There's no techmarine model available for the time being.
>>537449843>plasma exterminatorIs that a new plasma variant or just the internal name for the Incinerator?>las cannonOh fuck yes.
>>537450318is this a fucking 25mm base.
>>537450308>Introducing not only a new chaos enemy, but also a chaos mission and new chaos boss>As if anyone is going to play this more than once before going straight back to Inferno/Decapitation I am always bewildered when devs get shown irrefutable evidence that people love one thing then go and spend all their time on second thing when they know for a fact they can't get people to like it. Or maybe they don't know that, and thats the problem. I can't even get a Siege match without people quitting it the moment the first wave is Chaos.
>>537450308>Ditch Siege, it was a flopEmperor laughs at you. Siege is the only gamemode with proper enemy density
>>537450736Everyone is going to abandon operations and siege for stratagems because its the only mode that adds anything interesting each day/week
>>537449753It was a fan request they said they'd really like. Techmarine was in the pipeline well before, so Apothecary is likely late into Y2 or even Y3.
>>537450736Nobody plays Siege anymore, it’s boring and dead and you should feel bad for playing it still
>>537451139remember when people were saying they will stop playing operations when the siege mode comes out?
>>537451527>6 man>nid or chaos option>multi-classing>playing as a dreadnaught >rewards/xp that mattered People had a lot of great desires and wants for Siege, none of which was given to us.
>>537451527>2025>Adds a horde mode>Its another "enemies spawn from all directions around you and swarm you continuously so you are forced to run in circles around the map until you win or die"Not one last stand on a one way bridge map in the entire fucking game.
>>537453134It’s still insane to me that they nerfed Siege XP so hard, meaning that the only good way to level classes is still operations. Just a baffling decision.
>>537454194its still faster to do solo hard siege for 5 waves
>>537454194Because they're trying to force people to do things. Its very egotistical game design.
>>537454240>its still faster to do solo hard siege for 5 wavesDecapitation + Gene is 15-20m tops for 7000xp, its 5 minutes per wave = 25m for wave 5 for only 4000xp
>>537455347it takes 15 minutes to do 5 waves tho
>>537455691That would still be less than Decapitation
Siege mode might feel better when Chaos has the melee majoris. I despise Chaos because it devolves into a boring contested-health shooting gallery with almost no melee, but maybe that'll change after Thursday.
>>537456429It wont. They need to change the Chaos Marines AI so they only use ranged while moving towards players, then make it so they can't shoot at all in melee range. Thats the only fix.
>>537456545It would certainly make gayos a lot less gay.
>>537456747If only we had Orcs + Nids, then the game would have been perfect
>>537388412>"uhh we'll just dilute the game into headclicking I guess"bro...that's what bolter gameplay already is...cause they don't kill anything otherwise
I want bikes for SM3
>Carni now spams his ranged attacksThey made this boss infinitely worse
the way increasing difficulties shove your health and armor bars into a trash compacter feels lame
Could you bolter-balancefags collectively decide if headshots doing more damage is a good design idea or not Cuz it sounds like you just want to reward poor accuracy
>>537461406People complain that bodyshots do nothing, not that headshots dealing bonus damage is bad. Gaunts tanks like 5-6 shots from Bolters in the body and it feels like shit.
>>537461406It should, but it also shouldn't be what all the weapons are balanced around for TTK. Currently most weapons do 3-4x more damage before taking headshot damage improving perks thanks to the fact that weapon headshot multipliers are stacked on top of multipliers derived from the enemy's model. As a result weapons like the bolt rifle, can take as few as 10 headshots shots to down a tyranid warrior, or they can take 62 kill the same warrior with body shots. This feels miserable, and I will not pretend otherwise.
>>537461406It isn't that fucking deep bro. HD2, Darktide, L4D2, DRG all do combat better. Conversation over.
>>537462326Headshots do more damage than bodyshots in all of those listed games
>>537462714Enemies also have fuck all HP in all those games. I genuinely do not believe you've ever played any other games before, you should do that before posting next time.
>>537462714saber dev ass take
>>537461406Bolter variants that have low ammunition and magazine capacities and minimal headshot bonus but gigantic base damage bonus.So if you want your bolter to actually perform like a bolter you can have that but it's going to be moderately less efficient than lasering heads with the current carbine if you still want to deal with that.Honestly it's crazy that they made a game where tactical's primary weapon needs massive buffs and short lived class abilities to not be complete shit, and that he's really just a better melee class.>>537462714Most of the regular enemies in that game die to like 1-5 headshots from regular ARs. Not even like the rat-sized chaff, but the big chunky fellows that will punch you out.
>>537461406https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXEYksoE6cThis is space marine as everyone wants it. >BUT MUH CINEMATIC SURROUNDED MATCHED COMBATNo one cares. Thats a Saber/SM1 hold over. People have moved on.
>>537463429This is basically just space marines running throw a low difficulty darktide level.
>>537463429genuinely i looked at this game and the thing that came to mind as a game was The Order 1887cinematicslop
>>537464209This is an indication of the style of space marine people like. Its the devs job to make it challenging.
>>537462831>>537462996I genuinely don’t know where you’re taking this conversationI said “can you bolterfags agree whether or not headshots doing more damage than bodyshots are good or not” and that anon for some reason said “uhhh these listed games do combat better” as if that was somehow an answer to my question. I then followed up by saying all those games reward headshots, and now you’re saying I don’t play any of those games? Are you ascribing a certain motivation to me that I don’t have?
Sorry to disappoint but I'm dropping the obvious now.Champion skins are only gonna be unlocked for classes that share the same armor pattern.>Imperial Fists>White Scars>Dark AngelsAll available in pieces for Tactical, Assault and Bulwark>Salamanders>Space WolvesAll available pieces for Vanguard and Sniper>UltramarinesIf you're lucky, other classes might get the chest piece, because being locked to Heavy is a pure ass fucking to the skin. Maybe Techmarine will get the actual parts, because they rock Gravis too.
>>537464452You lack the intelligence to engage with this conversation.
>>537464452you already had your answer several times over, we're just here to take steaming shits on you nownow open your mouth ivan, we want to make sure you choke on it
>>537464452Enemies in space marine 2 are ridiculous bullet sponges and headshot bonuses are obscene so bodyshots are about as valuable as missing your target entirely.Enemies in those games are not ridiculous bullet sponges so high accuracy and a focus on headshots is highly efficient and effective but enemies have low enough health that just magdumping things to death is still a viable option.Helldivers 2's terminid warrior, which in that game is roughly equivalent to space marine 2's tyranid warrior, kills you very quickly and can takes like ten bullets to the body from an average AR and like four to the head. The tyranid warrior in space marine 2 will take an entire ABR mag to the head if you haven't auspexd the thing, the number of bodyshots you'd need is simply impractical in terms of ammunition and time requirements.
I just wish when people had complaints like "ummm the guns feel weak" they thought about how that impacts the gameplay for even half of a second and maybe had, I dunno, even vague ideas about how to make it fun and worth playing beyond holy shit good graphics power fantasy.Like this>>>537463429How do you make this style of Space Marine fun to play? It's a bunch of easily-melted fodder that can barely hurt you and one sequence where you have to attack a psyker while they're distracted.
>>537465619>How do you make this style of Space Marine fun to play?>Darktide>Helldivers 2As everyone else has pointed out, a thousand fucking times, you're a retard.
>>537465067>>537465176>>537465570Do you guys think that I said “actually the current game balance is good, bolters are totally fine as is and no changes are necessary” Where the fuck did I say that?All I asked was for the people talking about bolter balance to come to a uniform decision about whether or not headshots doing more damage than bodyshots was a good thing. That was LITERALLY the only thing I asked you fucking schizophrenics.
>>537465758>>537465619Oh my god no one gives a shit what you think, at all, and never will. Just stop posting.
>>537465570Helldivers 2's terminid warrior, which in that game is roughly equivalent to space marine 2's tyranid warrior,a terminid warrior is about on par with a hormagaunt, a brood commander (which are very tanky) would be a closer (but still bad) comparison cuz they're not comparable games
>>537465830>a terminid warrior is about on par with a hormagauntNo? It's a horde enemy you fight in large quantities but isn't the lowest chaff.
>>537465830Hes shitposting just ignore him.
It's simple>Introduce bodyshot multiplier>Fully automatic weapons specialize in bodyshots, ranging from 3 to 3.5x damage>Semi-auto precision weapons stay as is, because 2 to 2.5x damage plus all the headshot perks would outpace 3.5x bodyshot damage, but requires better precision
>>537465990a terminid warrior dies in one good shot/burst and the game is built around mowing them down in drovesa tyranid warrior is tanky because the entire game is pretty much built around focusing them and facing more than like 3 at a time is an extreme situation
Will you guys collectively stop acting like everyone that shares an opinion is one person? >Opinion A.>Oh Opinion A huh? You must be that guy from 9 hours ago who was arguing about opinion A! FUCK you!Everyone in this general needs to take their fucking meds
>SM2 got announced>Learned that it was Nids>Learned it was from the devs of WWZ>Beyond excited because I knew their zombie tech was good, and Nids are the perfect match up for it>We would get endless, countless hordes of enemies smashing against us like waves on a rock>Nope>Its just a generic third person batman game with every enemy taking a thousand hits to die Imagine my disappointment that they didn't even do the thing they were known for.
>>537466267>>537465990>>537465758>>537464452Its very clearly just you being a retard. Everyone agrees the enemies are pointlessly spongy. Now shut the fuck up.
>>537465619Make the guns feel good to shoot by having them kill enemies in a reasonable amount of time and bullets.>but I don't want space marines to be able to kill everything by shooting themThen give the guns limited ammo.>but you shouldn't ever be able to rely on your bolter(as a fucking space marine), you should have to engage in melee every single fightI do not care.>>537465758>I want a bunch of random anonymous people on 4chan to come to a uniform decision regarding theoretical balance changesAre you stupid? Are you baiting? What is this?
>>537466427I disagree
>>537466470You've been disproved multiple times. Stop shitposting at any point.
>>537466195>facing more than 3 warriors at a time is an extreme situation
>>537466527I agree with that guy and disagree with you
>>537466454It sounds like you would also be mad if ammo was tight enough to force you to use anything else so it wouldn't really be low enough to matter anywaydo you actually think this would be fun and do you have an explanation for how and why this would be fun on its own merits are you just operating out of spite because you had a bad experience full-autoing into an enemy once or twice. Do you have any wants out of this game out of the ability to click on enemy heads with a bolter and watch them blow up one after another
>>537466454You're right. >>537466713See >>537466527
>>537466527Actually I’d put $50 down right now that you’re >>537363759I’m about to make $50 huh
>>537466357>thousand hits to dieAhem.
>>537466603solo and if they're not literally completely alone yea 4+ warriors is a lot to deal with
>>537466858?
>>537466974>he edited the post
Mods will fix the game.
>>537467041>we're all one personI am sure in your mind that is true
>>537466865The melee is fine, mostly. Its the ranged thats atrocious.
>>537466713Bolters that nuke enemies are fun(that is, bolters performing like bolters). Darktide does it and the bolter in that game isn't even that good as far as ranged options go.>Do you have any wants out of this game out of the ability to click on enemy headsI already have to do this 15 times per enemy and I've found clicking heads is not very compelling gameplay.I want the bolters in space marine 2 to be fun to use. Shocking, I know, I want the bolters in a space marine game to be fun.
>>537467097Game's fine, skill issue.>Plapping Nids into exexute with three casual controlled bursts of the accuracy Bolt Rifle
>>537467197Anon, hes shitposting. Nothing you say will change anything just ignore him.
>>537467195Both snipers can one shot warriors. I think most of the primaries feel fine except for the automatic bolters, excluding the carbine.
>>537466887>3 warriors is an extreme situation>4+ warriors is a lot to death with>how could you ever beat 8 warriors at once>20 warriors? impossible fight
>>537467341>Both snipers can one shot warriorsLol
You notice there’s just one guy here who dismisses any and all things he disagrees with as shitposting Like just ctrl+f shitposting and look how many times he’s used it in the past few hours Lmao
>>537467426You're min-maxing to fuck but a maximum headshot damage Las Fusil and Bolt Sniper can both absolutely one-shot into execute state. It's just you're sacrificing shit like cloak back on headshot kills to do it, and you need to be cloaked to do it at all.
>>537467341bolt sniper takes like 3+ headshots under normal conditions
>>537467596Exactly how and why ranged weapons feel like shit.
>>537467197In Darktide the bolter is a special standout weapon that occupies its own niche being stronger than almost everything elseIn Space Marine a bolt rifle is the literal default.if they had to change how this works they're better off doing it in space marine 3, it would probably ruin the game's melee/shooting/health restore combat balance if they haphazardly let you solo everything with bolter for the sake of lore
>>537467476>ctrl+f “shitposting” >10 results >almost every post uses the exact same sentence structure and grammar That’s actually wild.
>>537467953>>537467476Samefag
>>537467923>if they haphazardly let you solo everything with bolter for the sake of lorehey, here's a radical thoughtwhat if they gave it low ammoso you couldn't solo everything with a bolter cause you'd run out of ammomaybe even increase the enemy densitywow, crazy>In Darktide the bolter is a special standoutso? just make the special standout the standard doesn't make restrictions disappear
>>537468032Shitpost
>>537467596>It's just you're sacrificing shit like cloak back on headshot kills to do itNot a problem with the melee dodge cancel. You effectively have infinite cloak with infinite bonus damage head shots, which also means infinite invincibility and infinite CHP regen.
>>537461406Okay how about the real deal; minoris should have a ranged bodyshot multiplier of at least 2x or more. The reason for doing this instead of reducing their HP is to preserve the ability to stagger them in melee for executes and so that they don't literally have 1 HP against all melee. Making this multiplier separate also allows for tweaking which weapons or variants get howevermuch bonus value against "hordes".Majoris cannot be made too weak against ranged attacks or the game will be really trivialized.
>>537358886Please be true. I've never actually seen marines fight with lightning claws, in a game or animations. Mods for SM2 is the closest thing.
Are you guys capable of disagreeing without insulting eachother
>>537467410Doesn't count, they decided to be a circus and give you all blues.
>>537469089Deathwing has lightning claws. The melee combat is awful, though
>>537469089lightning claws are in dawn of war 2
Was there a sale on console or something? Seeing a lot of newfags in absolute.
>>537465037I was thinking about this as well. There are six classes wearing 3 (4?) different versions of Mk. X. Heavy is the only one in Gravis armor, so if they intend for his Champion pieces to be used by other classes, they would need to re-do them in the modeling tool to fit the traditional Tacticus frame. The Phobos pieces would also need to be refitted. Bulwark wears Tacticus but it's some up-armored tanky version with a thicker chesplate, so the Dark Angles champion chest and shoulders looks very large for instance.
>>537469148yes, we are, fuck you
>>537469201>>537469319They're just kind of flailing around in these games tho. Hopefully Saber can do them justice in the future.
Black Templars are fucking retarded and including a real-life Christian cross as a chapter emblem was a terrible idea that should have been vetoed. It'd be like if the Ultramarines literally had the Roman state seal on their armor and were called 'Caesar's Legionaries'. They are too literal, too real world, but most importantly: every single BT player is a fuck up dumbass. ty for your attention to this matter
>>537469089Not happening dont get your hopes up
>>537468245>maybe even increase the enemy densitythey literally can't do this because of consoles>so? just make the special standout the standardthe standout weapons in space marine are standouts because they're either better at killing hordes or are significantly better at killing single targets so it'd probably just be instagib against majoris you'd have to introduce new enemy mechanics/types like armor or something
>>537470389I was gonna argue with you and say it wasn’t a Christian cross, but today I learned They’re still pretty cool though, fuck you What’s your favorite chapter
>>537470726Baseless assumptions
>>537470726>maybe even increase the enemy density>they literally can't do this because of consolesProof?
>>537470174Wow its almost as if claws attached to your forearms is a very unwieldy kind of weapon. Saber is good at spinning anims so I guess they'll do a lot of that.
>Still can't pick multiple of the same class>Going to release Tech next yearLooking forward to everyone shitposting because they can't get a game in
>>537470854probably the Raven Guard. or the Dark Angels, which is also a spin on ''knights in space'' but GW cleverly disguised their cross motif by making it a downturned sword. my only problem with the BT is that GW did not take the extra step of making them more sci-fi, more fictional. I'm fine that they are zealous religious psychos, that's a good identity for a chapter, but the cross was a terrible idea.
>>537469007>>537461406The thing is gaunts already have a 3* body shot damage multiplier, but because the base damage of most bolt weapons are in the single digits (I kid you not. The bolt rifle damage version for example has 5.13 base damage), which would equate to around 15 damage per body shot. A gaunt has 45 up. Termagaunts also go into incap instead of dying directly. Requiring 4 shots just to kill a basic gaunt minoris enemy. The ABR has 3.04? Damage per shot, so it would take well over 5 shots body shots just to kill a minoris, and 6 to 7 for a termagaunts. Considering you have at most 52 rounds per magazine, this is not just inefficient but downright wasteful. Oh, and tzaangors have no such damage multipliers. Woo.For majoris it's the same story. Hell if you're using the bolt sniper you can literally use up your entire ammo reserve and a melee warrior would literally not die. That's just an awful damage model.
>>537470854>The eight points symbolize
>>537471518>gay emos>gay emos with hoods
>>537471518I think it’s fine considering Christianity and the symbol of the Cross canonically existed in the world of 40K The Emperor even visited the last church himself
>>537470726Siege has significantly higher enemy desnsity than any operation.>the standout weapons in space marine are standouts because they're either better at killing hordes or are significantly better at killing single targets so it'd probably just be instagib against majoris you'd have to introduce new enemy mechanics/types like armor or somethingNah, just make those even more ammo starved.
>>537471541>Hell if you're using the bolt sniper you can literally use up your entire ammo reserve and a melee warrior would literally not die. That's just an awful damage model.Lol, thats fucking horrific.
This was not a solo.
>>537470174its not really a problem with power weapons, theyre essentially lightsabers, so you can just start swing around lightning claws and rip through everything because outside of another power weapon, youll cut through it
the worst part is that during those swarm climb moments hormagaunts do get one shot by everything so you can mow down dozens with just a bolt pistol
>>537472676>When everyone has fast firing large ammo guns and wipe out the horde so only scraps get throughGod this game could have been good
>>537472156Bolt Sniper has 18 or 27 total rounds. Without any perks and buffs, it does 15 or 17 damage, with a headshot modifier of 2.5 or 2.7. Warriors have 308 hp. 15*18 = 270. Can't even kill a rubric which has 280 hp. Damage version 17*18= 306 damage...
>>537472906Apparently we should be thankful for this amazing experience, instead of wanting a round to pop a bitches head instantly
>>537472395I know they are, but even lightsabers have techniques associated with them. I think claws are the kind of weapons that can be used savagely as well as elegantly.
>>537473434most of the techniques for lightsabers were for deflecting attacks rather than trying to kill someone as fast as possible
>>537473120It's just to illustrate how missing the head because the nid stuck his arm up is way, way too punishing. As a side note, all enemies have an innate headshot damage multiplier. The warrior has 2x. So pair that with the bolt snipers 2.5 you're doing 5x less damage, and this isn't counting the snipers innate headshot passive and his various other perks, by class or weapons. I'm all for rewarding a well placed shot but when hitting somewhere else on the enemy is pretty much akin to missing is too much.Like sure in headgiver and drg you should always aim for a weak spot, but even then it will never require you to spend an entire Mag just shooting at chaffs weak spot. Hell even large enemies like the charger can be dealt with quickly with the default liberator if you shoot at its unarmoured leg.
>>537475223>large enemies like the charger can be dealt with quickly by the default liberator >quickly I agree with your post but this is factually untrue, some other weapon with AT has to blow open the leg armor first, if all you have is the liberator you’re killing a charger anything but quickly
>>537471153because the game runs like shit and every modern horde game that runs less like shit does the same goddamn thing >ummm arrowhead just add more enemies>we can't consoles>umm fatshark console ports?>okay but we actually have to nerf horde sizes
>Fist is so OP that no other assault weapons feel good anymore
>>537475745So no proof
>>537476875Bulwark has shield to get close. Shield has no cooldown or resource. Assault has two dashes that are wonky as fuck. Even if fist did less damage it would still be his best weapon just because it's the only melee weapon that amends the biggest weakness of any melee ever.
>>537476997Even more reason to double the number of assault charges
>>537476875hammer just feels like ass against anything that isn't a minoris since half of the hits don't benefit from any of your perks and its slow on the actual attack animation instead of the charge up so you can't squeeze out a hit then parry for safety you just gotta eat it
>>537476937You're asking for proof that dirt exists. It's absurd and no one considers you to be arguing in good faith.
>>537476875I will continue to be a fancy boy twirling around with my sword
>>537471863your idea of balancing is really shit and sounds like it's solely motivated by how easy it is to instagib an enemy with your epic build more than how to make the mechanics neat
>>537477293NTA but; projecting. The current system sucks.
>>537477363>the current system sucks, here’s MY system, which sucks MORE! Saber, hire this man!
>>537477520Again, NTA, also as everyone else pointed out there is a range of games that do this and all of them are more successful and popular than SM2.
>>537476997Shield is strong as fuck because you can cancel out of attack animations and fubar'd parry attempts into immediate rolls when an unblockable is thrown your way. Under no circumstances should a good Bulwark ever get hit by an orange circle.
>>537477686>my proposed system is the same one that more popular and successful games use! >look inside >proposed system bears no resemblance to said popular games
How exactly do you work with the Tactical's right pauldron? Every single one past the standard variant has a skull glued over the squad symbol.
>>537478690Incorrect.
>>537475491Yes. Unarmoured implying that the Armour is gone.
I'll be honest, anons. I don't play on anything other than ruthless anymore. Everything after feels like a tedious slog.
>>537478958It’s not unarmored unless someone else kindly removes the armor for you though, so the point really fails to land
Absolute is a complete ghost town. My last three games, I start alone, then one guy joins about ten minutes into it, then the two of us finish without ever getting a third.>>537479083I guess most people are in Ruthless. I'm not surprised, the game was clearly designed with it in mind as the intended original difficulty. The other two feel like the result of annoying forum poster pressure but there was never a huge appetite in the mainstream playerbase for Giga-Hard Fuck You modes.
>>537479754>Absolute is a complete ghost town.Do you have crossplay off?
>>537477293Needing multiple mags to kill a single warrior isn't neat.
>>537479083I’m the opposite, I don’t play on anything other than Absolute because everything else feels too boring There’s 0% chance of failure on Ruthless and only 1% chance of failure on LethalI need some possible points of failure you know
>>537477686if you think more successful and popular=good idk what to tell you. clash of clans is right there
>>537480526Its like cataclysm in vermintide 2. Anything easier than it is boring.
>>537480471having to mix melee and grenades instead of clicking on enemies with giant heads that literally stand still for you to kill them is neat. like god dude look at the enemy design. they barely move. they don't take cover. they come in relatively more often than not, and you can STILL kill them quickly if you do shit other than sit there and use your auto bolter.if you want a big shakeup ask for it in space marine 3. this game is already pretty easy and it would be flavorless dogshit if you could raw gun build. it is not built for it. I'm confident people would go "duuude bro the game is so much better now" but people have no taste and play mindless samey slop in pve all the time so
>>537480909>they come in relatively low numbers more often than not
>>537480583If you think spongy enemies is normal, you're wrong.
>>537480909You really seem to think mindlessly parry+gunstriking 30 warriors to death is complex, interesting gameplay.
>>537480909Nothing you said is even remotely relevant to what anyone is asking for
>>537480909Space Marine 2 is dead. If anything now is the time to rip out its guts and try new things before Space Marine 3 is locked in.
>the game is so much more engaging when your ranged weapons are basically unusable most of the timeI bet this isn't even purely bait, people actually believe this.
>>537481452than clicking on clicking on those warriors heads' once or twice and ignoring every other system the game has if you're built for it? yea immensely
>>537482014>melee units zerging a carnifexReminds me of DoW2.
>>537482014ranged weapons can still melt shit when you use them in conjunction with the other mechanics, that's what I'm saying. If your problem is with things being overly centered around shit like gun strike and the parry damage bonus that's a problem separate from gun damage.
>>537482049>give ranged weapons low ammo and enough damage to actually kill enemies>now in addition to regularly engaging in melee combat bolters are worth using tooThis must have been a very difficult conclusion to come to, otherwise you would have had to be a retard to not realize it.You're not a retard, right?
>>537482014Its literally just one guy trolling. Thankfully this general isn't so stupid as to think SM2 is flawless.
>>537482286The ABR isn't melting fucking anything, it requires you to exclusively get headshots just to "melt" a group of hormagaunts. It's a complete waste of time and you're better off ignoring your ranged weapon and just throwing out melee attacks between gunstrikes.
>Mutator mode is just around the corner>We absolutely 100% are getting a glass cannon mode (probably with limited/no ammo pick ups)This debate will solve itself with evidence.I would bet on the glass cannon mode being more fun than the base game though easily.
>>537482331>refuse to engage with any discussion over unintended consequences this would have considering how tied together all of SM2's mechanics are>ummm just use a blunt, stupid solution obviously it'll work without changing anything else you're stupid to say otherwisey can't u even pretend to think through the things you're demanding. just be mildly critical of yourself for one post
What if we move away from the bolter specific discussion and ask this: what do you want from space marine gameplay, personally? what kind of gameplay are you looking for
>>537482552maybeyou could probably make it if they let you do customs with mutators
>amateur gamedev hour>"I think the game should be more good and betterer"damn solid points
>>537482790Space Mahreen simulatornotSwings a nerf bat aroundandCeramite armor completely compromised by single longlas hitIf they wanted enemies to deal more damage what they should have done on higher difficulties is to keep their damage per hit the same but make them attack a lot more frequently and loosen the melee token system.
>>537482790Gore, chainswords and bolters that feel good to use. Space marines are inseparably tied to those two weapons, they are essential to portraying space marines, portraying those weapons well is essential for portraying space marines well.If you make a 40k game and manage to make bolters feel like shit you have failed an incredibly simple task and failed to make a good 40k game.
>>537482790Astartes exists, its right there
>>537483467even begin to explain astartes gameplay
>>537483336Its amazing how having now played SM2, how much better SM1 was in melee/ranged combat. Not a single head shot clicking in sight.
>>537482640>obviously it'll work without changing anything elseyes
I want it to feel like actual 40K fluff, I want my bolter to rip a Tyranid Warrior apart but I also want to die to a single Venom Cannon shot if I don’t dodge well Skill should trump everything else The people saying that their armor shouldn’t feel like paper are just tourists who only see Space Marines on book coversIn 40K, to most elite enemies across enemy factions, Space Marine armor IS paper
>Friend refuses to play anything but Sniper>Has literally not got one other class to Lv10, let alone Lv25>Has had the game since launch>Also won't join our games unless Sniper is available, meaning nobody else gets to play the class around him
>>537483581>day 1 there are builds that completely ignore melee>every boss and mini-boss gets instantly deleted by the massively fucking juiced gun damage with the huge damage buff mechanics that are already in the game to make guns do more damage >heavy now comparatively feels "weak" because he didn't get buffed and eventually gets buffed to an absolutely comical, lobby-ruining extent to compensatewaow
>>537483743>>537483528This is just a case of you 1. Never playing other games and 2. Thinking whatever is, is good, and whatever else could be, is bad. Chill out, stop getting so mad, maybe use your brain a little bit next time.
>>537483676This is literally all one troll whose been shitposting for days at anyone who suggests SM2 is anything but perfect. The retard gets BTFO, ignores whatever was said, then tries to change topic to save face.
>>537483676>In 40K, to most elite enemies across enemy factions, Space Marine armor IS paperIn the newest Lamenters short story, a lone eliminator nearly gets killed by a trio of hormagaunts.
>>537482790For me the Space Marine fantasy is feeling strong at range and in melee, but being pressured. Space Marines aren't godmode, they're just really tenacious and violent. But I want to be genuinely rewarded for getting into melee. The second half of Space Marine 1 where you're forced into a cover shooter against chaos fucking sucks. The first half of Space Marine 1 where you can wade in and lifesteal as much as you want but also mindlessly shoot everything is easy enough to be boring. It's kind of a contradiction where weak guns is a gameplay solution that makes sense but it feels wrong for a bolter to not gib people.The only real thing that makes sense to me is that you make Space Marines WAY more mobile and tight to control at the cost of dying faster when you get caught out and take a lot of damage but I don't know if people would be into this
>>537484108>LamentersTo be fair he probably went to the toilet in the morning and nearly had a fatal incident with toilet paper
>>537484170>more mobile and tight to control at the cost of dying faster when you get caught out and take a lot of damage but I don't know if people would be into thisEvery single successful coop game ever is like this, people love it. Skill > Stats is always more fun.
>>537089190It allows you to knock down minoris for gun strike to recovery. It also stagger some majoris. Make sure you animation cancel out of shield bash with block so you can attack and take advantage of your melee attack up perks after shield bash as well. Btw, you don't need to hit an enemy with shield bash for the bonus to proc.
>>537483743>day 1 there are builds that completely ignore meleenot possible, ammo's too scarce>every boss and mini-boss gets instantly deleted by the massively fucking juiced gun damage with the huge damage buff mechanics that are already in the game to make guns do more damagesaving your ammunition for your strong weapon to use on important targets? sounds goodalso means you'll need to decide between using it on the additional threats around your terminus or using it just for the terminus, seems it even encourages smart resource management and use>heavy now comparatively feels "weak" because he didn't get buffed and eventually gets buffed to an absolutely comical, lobby-ruining extent to compensatenah, he'd get buffed, like everythingand he can't ruin the lobby because he wouldn't have enough ammo tolooks like it all checks out
>>537102054Well, most bulwark won't have it if they are leveling up their prestige since it is one of the last unlock each prestige
>>537484108>nearly killed by a trio of hormagauntsThis is how it should be, people who want a power fantasy from Space Marine don’t understand 40K
>>537484306if heavy's ammo is THAT scarce he sounds like he'd suck (and he already does pretty good damage)your pistol exists I guess but melee combat in this game against minoris does not feel very good and being encouraged to use it just to save ammo doesn't sound like it would work here like it does in darktide
>>537484306Sounds kino
>>537484251not at all. all of those horde games are about avoiding contact with the enemy as much as you can, dealing with them efficiently at a distance or literally running past them. space marine is about being rewarded for getting up close by getting your resources back. I can't really think of a co-op game that matches what I described.
>>537484718>all of those horde games are about avoiding contact with the enemy as much as you canLol. No.
>>537484718Play Vermintide 2.
>>537484468>if heavy's ammo is THAT scarce he sounds like he'd sucknah, he'd be fun>your pistol exists I guess but melee combat in this game against minoris does not feel very goodthen shoot them with the bolt pistol>being encouraged to use it just to save ammo doesn't sound like it would work here like it does in darktidenah, it would work
>>537484757helldivers lobbies will literally yell at you if you fight pointlessly instead of doing objectivesoptimal L4D is just running through as fast as you canDRG is not much different >>537484809vermintide you're obligated to fight in melee with how ammo is balanced in that game but I wouldn't say you're rewarded for entering melee, you just have to. I don't think that balance would be fun in space marine 2 as it is because melee is not even close to has fun
>>537484718>rewarded for getting up closeVermintide 1 and 2Destiny 2Borderlands (nearly all have melee) Helldivers 2Remnant 1/2 Space Marine 1 (No sponges unlike SM2)Darktide WarframeReady or NotAnyway you were saying?
>>537484918>helldivers lobbies will literally yell at you if you fight pointlessly instead of doing objectivesLol. No.
>>537484981lol. yesthere's no point to fighting in helldivers unless you're forced even on d10. objectively.
>>537484928>>537484718Fuck wait I forgot some:Dying LightGears of WarDoom (Of course) DRGAnyway, you're pretending SM2 does anything special. It fucking doesn't. Its the same as every other coop shooter except it unjustifiably has the most spongy fucking enemies of any of these games and it sucks.
>>537485053Nope.
>>537484928>literally none of these games reward you for getting close outside of "shotguns and melee exist">many of them actually punish you for getting close if you don't have tolol
>>537484718>all of those horde games are about avoiding contact with the enemy as much as you can, dealing with them efficiently at a distance or literally running past themIf all of the players are reasonably competent, most SM2 operations go a lot smoother if you just rollslop past the enemies between objectives that require you to stop and do something.
>>537485053>>537484918Whats really funny about your lie is that the opposite is true. Solofags get kicked, team players don't.
>>537449270>An AUTO gun is going to be manually firedSounds retarded
>>537485203Hes trolling or retarded. SM2 doesn't reward you fighting, at all. And avoiding/ignoring enemies to reach check points is the optimal way to play. Hell its how I max prestiged everything rapidly with Inferno runs, just run past hordes and you can finish in 10m or less.
>>537485228Saber is retarded.
>>537485206solofags consistently do the objective while everyone else is farming hundreds of kills accomplishing literally nothing
>>537485228>Sounds retarded>Saber They had one of the best jetpack gameplay features then removed it for coop. They are retarded.
>>537485347I can tell you're butthurt about being kicked but I am not going to stop lmao
>>537485203sounds like a problem with sm2 desu but if they forced people to fight with arenas then people would bitch about that too
>>537485180>N-no this doesn't fit my narrative at all!Yes I thought you would try to deflect to save face anyway have a nice night
>>537485180>>literally none of these games reward you for getting close outside of features and mechanics that reward you for getting up closeYou are the most obtuse retard this thread has ever had the displeasure of seeing.
>>537485206Alright NTA but that’s only true if you play on like D6 with Redditors lmao On D10 it’s pretty much standard practice for everyone to split into two’s or solo and clear the map as fast as possible
>>537485349To be fair, it's understandable why. The story/PvP jetpack would have made Assault the absolute worst speedrun troon class imaginable, and designing entire levels around one class out of six sounds fucking horrendous.
>>537485587There was a million ways to limit it so it didn't break the game, they picked the worse one. They're retarded.
>>537485587Relic managed to make it work for the first game.
>>537485573>On D10 it’s pretty much standard practice for everyone to split into two’s or solo and clear the map as fast as possibleThat dramatically depends on the mission and people playing. Its not guaranteed that solo fagging is the best way to play. But the fact you can do it or not is just one of many advantages HD2 has over SM2.
>>537485751>Comparing golden age Relic to toxic as shit Saber
>>537485776the only map type where there isn't really true is holdouts. because of the time limit if you want to clear as much of the map as possible, you split up, period. the game's balance now is as such that 2 or even 1 man can fight if they absolutely have to and it's more possible than ever to outrun enemies
>>537485906>He never played the black hole missions Good fuckin luck with that solofag attitude
>>537485751Assault was the only class worth playing, it absolutely did not work in terms of balance.
>>537485951>bro but you really had to stick together in this one limited time mission type from like a year ago that’s probably never coming back Not really helping your argument bro
>>537485567ok let's go through them one at a time>vermintidegetting close is an obligation and if you can shoot enemies instead it's always preferred>destiny 2MAYBE after ability reworks, early on the game rewarded sitting far away clicking heads, you probably still don't want to be close to bosses at all>Borderlands idk shit series>Helldivers 2literally does not even slightly reward getting up close, the entire game's combat is keeping hordes out, period>remnantidk lol>darktidealso an obligation just like vermintide, shooting is better if you can>space marine 1infamously has a second half where it doesn't at all>warframedoesn't have balance, 4 pressing simulator>ready or notI GUESS in the sense that AI is so fucking cracked that trying to out-aim them at a distance is begging for death but people also hate this and want this changed
>>537486059Its one of many examples, nothing anyone says will change your dumb ass mind anyway solofags are brain rotten.
>>537486076>Vermintide>Instantly wrongDidn't read the rest. Clearly you're retarded or trolling.
>>537486036I completed exterminatus just fine without anyone on the team playing assault and they were usually the ones that ate shit and did nothing when they were present.
>>537486089Solofags complete your ops while you sit there magdumping the 27th bug breach lmao Don’t ever let me find you in my D10’s
>>537486403Dont worry, you don't play HD2 or D10 anyway
>>537486156point blank is the only space where 90% of enemies can hit you lmao, you are objectively incurring the most risk if you're point blank on top of enemies. The fact is the game generally forces you to with ammo restrictions. please go walk up to every grabber rat instead of just fucking blasting him and being done with it
>>537486450NTA but bewildering response
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>>537479335The point is that it can be done, not that it should always be. The point was always that you could be shooting at another 'weakpoint' that isn't the 'intended' one. No such thing exists for the vast majority of enemies in the sm2.
>>537486450Don’t let me find you in my D10’s. Got it? Last warning cunt.
>>537482286That's the problem - you HAVE to pretty much use both auspex AND parry bonus to get any semblance of a reasonable ttk. That just forces players to use battlefocus even more. And you know what's funnier? Many weapons don't need to rely on either of those mechanics to have a good ttk. See stalker, bolt rifle accuracy version, and plasma guns which don't even need headshots to deal real damage.If it were up to me, parry bonus would be applicable to only melee damage.