Peni Edition >NewsKlyntar: Resource Rumble gamemode trailer: https://youtu.be/pGfp8UJDpdg Klyntar: Throne of Knull Map Reveal: https://youtu.be/P44x3oxvhFY Blade Character Reveal: https://youtu.be/SJwI30KsqK8 Version 20250814 Patch Notes: https://www.marvelrivals.com/gameupdate/20250813/41548_1253606.htmlQueen's Codex Event: https://x.com/i/status/1953108817098457107Dev Vision Vol. 08: https://youtu.be/SgMriWER-6ESeason 3.5 Roadmap: https://x.com/i/status/1951327193948131482New Team-Up Ability: First Steps: https://x.com/i/status/1947710733904724396Phoenix Character Reveal: https://youtu.be/zsWg4h7Eiss Season 3: The Abyss Awakens Official Trailer: https://youtu.be/kIhLPAWKKsg >SkinsWinter Soldier's Polarity Soldier and Cloak & Dagger's Polarity Bond skins: https://x.com/i/status/1955328431203172619Blade's Polarity Edge skin: https://x.com/i/status/1952761517256184008Magik's Phoenix Demon and Black Panther's Phoenix Panther skins: https://x.com/i/status/1950010981591241126The Fantastic Four's First Steps skins: https://x.com/i/status/1947695635916067128Psylocke's Breezy Butterfly and Loki's Robe of Relaxation skins: https://x.com/i/status/1944792781093839289Captain America's Captain Klyntar and Spider-Man's Future Foundation skins: https://x.com/i/status/1939760854670746106Thor's Majestic Raiment and Punisher's Daredevil: Born Again skins: https://x.com/i/status/1937527233532379555Iron Fist’s Binary Fist and Moon Knight’s Phoenix Knight skins: https://x.com/i/status/1934628159275614566Invisible Woman and The Thing's Future Foundation skins: https://x.com/i/status/1932090456218726843>LinksHero Hot List: https://marvelrivals.com/heroes_data/Guides & News: https://marvelrivals.gg/Tracker Resources: https://rivalstracker.comMobalytics Page: https://mobalytics.gg/marvel-rivalsFANDOM Wiki: https://marvelrivals.fandom.com/Previous thread: >>537269772
I play Luna Snow exclusively because I have AGP.
Cool new threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpleF0wLi8w
>>537456165I divebomb Luna mains because I know they enjoy it
Playing Vanguard to harass people who play sissy healers
What drives someone to throw a match just to annoy someone on the enemy team? I didn't even kill someone as spidey I just got near them and they ran back to spawn to swap to scarlet and sit on their healers the entire game watching me non stop. They didn't even make to the first point.
My wife Rocket is so cute.
>>537456304It is perfectly normal to enjoy it.
Bucky.
>>537456103soon
shalla-bal when?
10 days to play 10 matchesshould I even bother for the skin and border?what happens if I derank now taht celestials, gms are playing eachother? do I not get the border or do I still get it if I go back to diamond iii etc?
and now i'm bronze I again. how are sliver team mates this awful.
>>537457252cute
when there is a blatant bot match in QP and you stomp round 1 while they have 0 killsDo bots randomly start playing much better in round 2?I've had such games where they actually fight back in R2 and can even take a round or make it close
>>537457252Galactus hasn't shown up at all, it's too early to talk about the Surfer. Would likely be Norrin Rad too
>>537457457I dont believe a single person is stuck in bronze/silver
>>537457542In my experience bots on your side will often throw,. wouldn't be surprised if the enemy bots swung hard in performance to make things more engaging
>>537457457i can carry you out of bronze if you're really stuck
Releasing two fucking dps in a row was a mistake. Knowing the Chinese they are releasing two more dps characters next.
>>537457816It's very possible. There are always people who are completely new to video games, or FPS as a genre.
>>537457542>they actually fight back in R2What?If you're not spawn camping the enemies, it's not bots.Or you're just fucking bronze that's worse than bots.
Diana probably won't save the game but I like her!
>>537458413would love to see any single player profile with at least 30h stuck in those ranks
>>537458589>it's not bots.its bots, 2 out of 6 will have those blatant bot names and behaviour but they/enemy team suddenly play much better in R2
>you get two leavers, solo healing jeff>enemy team gets luna adam, and torch with perma snowflakeI hate this rigged shit so fucking much.
Posted on last thread but still mad
>>537458973Play cuck tanks, win cuck prizes
>>537458973>NoponSSBThat's...certainly a name.
let. them. in.
Wanda wifeMagik wife
>>537458413my biggest question is how the fuck are they in silver? how did this jeff in my first silver game today with around 3,000 total healing and 12 deaths get into fucking silver? how?
I'm gonna get banned bros...
>>537459927if you're gonna be racist at least be funny
>>537458973The mantis is the weakest link
>>537457878It's this more often than not. Your team bots (you always have 2) will throw to make the experience seem even.
>haven't played in a few months but saw Blade came out and a new season started, so decide to boot the game up>after spending some time playing against AI and queuing QP decide to queue comp>40 second wait time in bronze 3Damn. It's that bad?
>>537460453This
>>537460960the game's matchmaking has been exponentially dogshit this season so people aren't even bothering with ranked anymore. diamond this season is better than 95% of the playerbase. i still get matches in like 2 seconds for quick match.
>enemy spiderman says it was a spidey diff>he had torch and snow flake >I had a jeff who died 12 timesWhy do people act like such hot shit when the game obviously stacked the odds for them? Everyone is aware of the retarded match making.
Me and this girl on the other team bantered back and forth for about 5 minutes post-match and she added me afterwards.Advice for following up on that interaction and making her my gf? I think the only reason I was able to even banter so well for so long is because I didn't give a fuck so I'll probably self-sabotage if I try talking to her again.
>>537461621and then anon woke up
>>537461408To put it simply we're in an age where people don't care about nuance/the process and only give a shit about the result. He won while you lost. The details don't matter to these people.
>>537461720I'm not lying though... I was talking shit to someone on her team and when she interjected to defend her teammate, I started shit talking her too and things just went on from there.
>>537461408To ragebait you
>>537461820I think you've got it right. Same kind of people who see nothing wrong with cheating or using shit like XIM.
>>537457252why Marvel cucking Norrin she didnt even mention him in the movie
>>537459638>Wanda wife>Magik wife>t.
>>537457252>Uses Ultimate>I HERALD YOUR DOOMWould be sick
>>537462569clea is gonna castrate this fool!
>>537459927Don't worry, you'll get some BS 30 minute ranked restriction and be back in no time.Zoomers are so sensitive nowadays, a real OG nigga from back in the day would've called you a cracka ass bitch right back, instead of crying and reporting like some sort of offended twitter woman.
>>537463674why are you responding to yourself
>>537458973>12/12 mantisThrew
>>537461621>girlDoubt.Anyway just message her and ask things like who her favorite hero is, does she watch the movies, common interests and other stuff. You have to see if you share interests and tastes or at least tolerate each other before you try to make her your gf.
>>537456261Gross>>537456290Not really>>537457252Don’t know don’t care Surfer when
>>537463728What are you some kind of schizo retard
>>537463728But I'm not.
>>537462432Some people (the Chinese)>>537461621>>537461983Post proof or didn’t happen
The Loki damage nerfs suck. I can barelymanage to scare away divers anymore. In what world is flank Loki so much of a problem that we’re ok with him crumbling the moment a diver gets too close to him?
>>537464434In a world where the devs main BP.
>>537460453being racist is always required funny or not
>>537457612His daughter is in so that’s close enough for any of the heralds to make an appearance. Surfer doesn’t need Galactus around to show up. >>537458591She’s also too good for this sorry. :/>>537459456Rare attractive Magik.
booki
>>537456103More like epic edition
>>537464434How are you so bad that you're dying to dive as loki
>>537465306
>>537465306>>537456165>>537456790made for big gamma cock. also comic outfit for Luna when?
>>537464224Isn't it gonna be weird if I go from telling her to shut the fuck up and go back to the kitchen to asking her about her interests?
There's something wrong with the healer players in this game. It seems like a lot of them just pick a healer so they can heal themselves while still playing like a dps. And they don't even pick ultron, they pick luna or coal&burner and exclusively use the ult for escaping death when they're caught out flanking (or just for applying damage in coal&burner's case).
>>537466286theyre bad players picking healer to try to skirt blame when they lose
literally what is the point of the new gamemode's objectives and urgency when you can stil win from holding the last point?they really think this is suitable for comp? holy shit lmao
>>537466286> coal&burnerporn addiction
healer tank that can also dps when?
>>537466801Of all the sins rivals keeps copying from overwatch. I hope this isn't one of them.
>>537466286they're just friends. dagger has sex with spider-man only.
>>537466801We need Mantis but good instead
peni's teenager pussy
When are they adding Kevin Feige?
>>537466801>>537467095Groot with the Mantis Teamup is the prototype for that. If you're getting your healing wall destroyed in an instant, put it up on ceilings. You have 80hps if you can keep both your walls alive, more than just Dagger or Luna hitting you with primary fire.
>>537468407Definitely not luna. Her m1 with nothing else heals over 150 hps unless they nerfed her anchor buff from 15%. Dagger heals at 83.536 as well.
>>537466286as stated by >>537466402They're just bad players, its even worse if they're healing mains and play in a really retarded way that cost the team any sort of leverage.
>>537468804>Luna baits Jeff into suicidingLooks like a genius move
>>537467095Why? She’d go hard in this game with all the brawlers around. It might also encourage more tank players to flex.
>>537465735How are you so bad that flank Loki was enough of a problem for you that you needed Loki nerfs?
>>537469098Because everything about loki needs nerfs. His retard high damage was just one on a long list of problems.
>>537466132Well I mean she added you for a reason. If she was actually offended then she wouldn't done that. You could apologize first I guess but if it sounds insincere and overly apologetic, she's going to know what you're trying to do if she's not retarded.
I think this is the game's core player base.I will get lower, but for an ass double dps season, it's got some life in it
>>537468958when has ulting into mines as jeff ever worked out?
Luna makes me not like this game.
https://files.catbox.moe/air1gu.mp4
>enemy psylocke's 23+ kills because he's just ulting the backline>teammates are getting ulted every time because they have no healing ult (jeff, adam)>instead of acknowleding this they try to shift blame to me for even mentioning why we're feeding one playerlol of course, you can literally spell out why a team losing with the evidence in the kill feed and on the scoreboard and somehow teammates choose to plug their ears and blame whoever complains firstcrazy manthis is why overwatch is better
>>537468662I stand corrected but Groot being able to come close to those numbers is the experiment on healer/tank hybrid like Ultron is DPS/Healer. You just need to learn how to keep those walls alive for as long as possible.
How long until EOS?
>>537471326New season starts in 12 days
Psylocke rimjobs
>only mantis for an entire day the combination of her projectiles being slow and her animation being weird makes her frustrating to play. So many times where i feel like the reticle is right on the target but still miss.
>go 3-6>still SVP
>>537467095Rivals has a ban system so it'll never be that bad
>>537472405Imagine if she had Luna's projectile. They should give her a speed increase on her projectile similar to what Storm got desu
>>537473679They share the same projectile speed howeverbeit?????
>>537469905Many such cases.>>537467485Facts. Tyrone cleans up sometimes though.
>>537474224Wow I didn't know. Yet, as a Luna player, whenever I try to hit things with Mantis it feels like shit. Granted I haven't played with her much compared to Luna.
I am so fucking tired of playing thsi game and not getting healed and watching my supports position like shit, cant ult counter, cant do anything other than play the role in the most fucked up way imaginable.I've never seen such a common problem in a game, and its so ridiculous because its entirely player drivenits almost as if players are RESISTING playing the game like the way its intended to be played.And the worst part is that healers are the biggest bitch made faggots in the game, if you even dare tell them tehy're not good they throw the fucking lobby like they're having a tantrum as opposed to playing better to prove you wrong.
>>537465941wrong version >>537466801that’s called thanos and he will be joining soon(TM) also gay faggot panel
>>537468118barely teenager but yeah you get it
>>537475543Anon, Luna is hitscan character with famas-like burst.
>>537466132The only thing weird here is the boldly told lies
>>537472073That’s filled with Venom’s spunk dude…
>>537475559support mains are the biggest losers in the game, they're coasting off of everyone else's skill so when it boils down to them making the right moves and it doesn't work out they throw a hissy fit.
Who's the best dive tank?and who's the tank you have the most fun with?
>>537476368it's called a sissy fit.
>>537467485>>537475490Is this really the cope yall are going with lmfao
>>537476553i dont get it
>>537477238>best dive tankNo comms? Cap. Comms? Venom.>have the most fun with?Cap and Strange with old team-up.
>>537476368Honestly the lowest intelligent players have to be the ones who hardlock adam and mantis and go negative.They actually think they're doing something on those characters when everyone and their grandmother understand that you NEED to get kills to make them work otherwise you're just playing worse versions of luna, invis, dagger etc.
What would their team-up abilities be like?
>>537478082Is Strange the anchor here?
>>537478524Must be, because the other 4 are completely unhinged.
>>537478702I mean, he can get pretty crazy too.I guess Magik could get some neat dark magic trick, Blade too?
All the hype for shitty DPS that can't even use his signature blade. Whoever designed this hero needs to be fired
>>537477549
>>537479521He's just this close to becoming a problem, I bet he's getting blue health soon
>>537476553>>537479584I still don't get the top panel in the first pic. Reed's expression seems concerned like he's trying to stop Johnny from eating the donut, which makes sense considering the second pic. I don't get the dialogue though.
>>537472405She's a midget so you have to aim above them, I'm not kidding it's even more different for her than anyone else. This is on top of having to aim to the right of them, so you want to be above and to the right.
>>537479784Whose gonna tell him?
>>537479909https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E58qLXBfLrs
>>537477815>>537477815I dont even know what compels the amount of players that play adam to play him, he's the weakest character in the game once you realize he's weak to melee his only viability is 3x support comps and that is such a faggy and easy to composition to counter. Its actually hilarious how many people play him on a day to day basis because I personally think he's boring as hell.>>537479521Expect blade to get a ridiculous buff going into next season, since the chink cant just tone characters down we're going to get overpowered blade who gets banned in comp
>Chinks are opened up to yet another OCs like Luna Snow, a Korean character, whose status is saved by Marvel Swimsuit Issue and the swimsuit skin>meanwhile at Webtoon, a branch of Korean comic publisher Naver, which is notorious for killing off a decade long running title "Wind Breaker" with reproduction by plagiarism as the excuse: https://www.webtoons.com/en/graphic-novel/the-amazing-spider-man-2022/list?title_no=8475I guess a new OC in the future is most likely a chinese character made by korean manhwaka (korean comic creator) going by the patterns? No seriously, what the fuck are we doing here?
>>537481013>chinese characterDid you think chinks weren't going to use this opportunity to create a china man who's hecking LE BASED COMMUNIST XI JINPING?
Predict how bad the OC is going to be
>>537481435Just take a look at their previous OCs and you just know it's going to be pure chinkwank
Can't wait to play Wukong in marvel rivals
>adam jeff get so tilted from us killing them that they swap to luna daggerlol you love to see it
>>537481435>>537481719It's not only going to pander to that market but they will basically be OC equivalents to existing lesser known characters. So don't hold your breath on seeing your comic book favorite making it. The role will be supplanted by an OC that will get more popularity from casuals retroactively.
>>537482096no ones going to care unless its some goon bait bullshit character. and even then the game went so fucking far off the deep end that no one cares about the gooner skins anymorethey're all jokeeven the recent wanda one got zero discussions outside this general
I'm fucking done with this game. 2/3 games I queued up I was hard carrying my team while getting svp and still lose. Bunch of literal god damn fucking monkeys. Last match I had a TANK and LORD SPIDERMAN going FUCKING 0-20. WHAT. THE. FUCK.
>>537482473>no ones going to care unless its some goon bait bullshit character. Luna Snow is a prime example. Even though she's not made by NetEase. She was a creation of one of the lead producers if I remember correctly. I know there's plenty whom have got sick of her. And feel that she easily filled a role a character like Dazzler could've had instead.
>>537482876If there isn't some big changes in s4 this game is toast me thinks. I took a break for 3 weeks, log back in and immediately am thrown back into the blender of MVP hard carrying literal retards and am not having fun. If s4 doesn't fix some some major shit i'm just gonna play other stuff.
>>537483309what could they possibly do?
>>537483365Nerf BP. Add role queue. Give tanks good team ups and bring good team ups back like voltaic union and magneto sword. Alleviate arcade restrictions for casuals. Nerf ult gain across the board. Rework specific characters that need it like spiderman, venom, black widow. Nerf luna and loki ults.
>>537477292uh oh Tyrone cope
>>537478524>>537479020Meds.>>537479521Deserved.>>537481013>>537481253>>537481719>>537482007>>537482096>>537482962Grim dark facthoods. How do we get out of this?
did a bot make that post or something?
>>537481435The OC will probably be some NPC. The devs are smart enough to not have an OC as a playable character
>>537482096That already happened with Iron Fist. Danny Rand was replaced by an OC.
>>537483792dude the game's a joke KEKthey're never going to add role queueultron killed any semblence of that happening in the long run because he's as fucking shit as adam in terms of burst healing so can you imagine getting ultron adam faggots in role queue? it would be insane cancer, you would lose because every team needs a healing ult ALL THE FUCKING TIME..Unless the devs completely overhauled the game, nerfed healing into the fucking ground, nerfed damage values so poke wasn't insane, nerfed dps ultimates so retards cant lock in psylocke, starlord, moonknight and just spam ults then I mean maybe there's a chance? but dude they cant even do that they're obviously just trying to milk whatever money they can out of people instead of fixing the gamehence why we're not shittier than overwatch, i dont think overwatch EVER had the level of incompetent balance that this game has, and its getting worse and worse with each passing season.
>>537484595hence why we're shittier*
>>537480365>>537484595Why do you hate Adam so much? of all the characters to dislike.
>CND and Luna's ult Is the issue with the players always aiming for tanks or is it the devs fault for making it so easy for them to farm ults?
I guess I should queue in the evening?
>>537484726For me? It's because his character is useless and just piles on more work for me.I need survivability to make plays, once that adam drops his two chain heals which every single adam times poorly then its basically over. Also I'm not that other anon.
>>537484726If you really need to ask then you're probably not very good at the game or you have zero game sense
>>537485194I'm in Celestial 2. I'm sorry you're having another schizo moment
>>537485395Yeah sure anon, anyway.
Is it true that a lot of girls (women) still play this game? Can I use it to find a girlfriend?
>>537486002no because they all play jeff which means you have to hurl slurs at them
>>537485194>asking about your autistic schizo hatred means you suck at the game
>>537484726Dont you realize how fundementally important it is to get heals instantly? Waiting around for two duds to gradually your team is never going to cut it. ultron, adam and even mantis are the worst options for duo healers, people should know better.
>>537486429>>537485032>>537485194I've seen way too many instalock Jeffs borderline throwing the match to believe that there's a worse healer. It's ALWAYS that fucking shark. I fucking wish people played Adam more, at least i'm getting revived.
does "loser's queue" actually exist
>>537486683No, never has.
>>537479521Melee heroes upset the supportfags so he was probably pre neutered, niggas anti heal is more effective on himself than the enemy
>>537486650the jeff problem is worse because they factually made him a worse healer with the rework. jeff's bubbles did huge burst healing before, and it not only gave him a unique playstyle but when the situation called for it he could burst a tank back up to full health better than any other character in the game. jeff has no redeeming qualities now. he's a shit healer and his damage is non existent.
Game below 90k againIf you assume 20% of people play OW2 on Battlenet then OW2 would have like 150k players right now
>>537486650no dude lol. Dont play adam, jeff is way better because he can atleast healadam is useless. its not even funny, ultron follows him too.You should not be playing adam ultron or mantis if you cant dps, its that simple. Those characters are extremely reliant on being dps oriented so if you cant dps then you're just worse off for it. Youre unironically putting your team in a worse position.2 healing ults, 2 healers who can burst will ALWAYS be dominant.
>>537486840it's 11 pm on the west coast and later every where else. the majority of the game's playerbase is in the US.
>>537486840I meant if you assume even 20% are on steam (generous) and 80% are on battlenet obviously. Since they wont just give us the player data on battlenet>>537486930The 24hr peak is 87k and I don't think that has changed in 48hrs. Most of last week was 90k~ and the week before that was 110-100k
>>537483365Give stackfags their own game mode. It'll be mostly dead but their starting to play qp instead now that they can't 5/6 stack in ranked anymore.Stop rank resets so that compfags stop going into quickplay because it takes 5 minutes or longer for them to find a game in comp.And most importantly, fix black panther.
yup
I hope they add him the same season they add deadpool
>>537486907I guarentee you that no one will reply to this. Its so logical and sound that you would unironically need to be delusional to think otherwise.I repeat,Do not lock in Mantis, Adam Warlock or Ultron if you are going to rolefill into support, unless you have absolutely no soul and intend on being a soulless selfish teammate then by all means join the rest of the NPC retards but as far anyone should be concerned the only viable healers you should lock in are Loki, Rocket, Luna, IW and Dagger. Outside of that all the other characters are bait for bad players or they're intended for good players who can utilize them.Believe me I've lost a lot of games because you roll some dude who thinks he can dps but doesn't have the fucking balls to play a duelist so they opt for support hybrids while shitting the bed.
>>537486840>20% of people play OW2 on Battlenetlol
>>537486840like way more people play overwatch on battlenet.
>>537487616>adding Cable everSorry, Wolverine is Deadpool's boyfriend now.They should though, Cable time sliding shenanigans are the perfect setup for a random double season.
>537487506>unironically posting things from reddit>unironically posting things from the overwatch subredditWhere did you fail in life that you've sunk this low.
>>537484595The game definitely needs a big balance pass. Game just feels like a tossup of which team can counter swap to play the S tier character with the natural counter to the other team better when balance is all over the place like this. 99th percentile in this game feels terrible. My tac shooters are just as difficult at higher percentiles than this one at a lower percentile. It's a little ass and thats why I havent really played much for months.
>>537484407Neglected to mention both him and Luna at first. But yeah, that proves the point.
>>537487616Unironically I think captain marvel is joining with wade. Both are crossing space at the moment and of the leaked heroes ones of the few who where-abouts are mentioned
>>537487871Obviously. I wrote it the other way around at first and mixed it up because to find it take 30k on steam / 20% = 150k bnet
Season preview today?
>black panther tries to kill me as a flier but all I have to do is move half a foot away and he just grunts as he falls back to the groun like the cuck he is
>>537489361Yes, new duelist reveal soon!
>>537488863https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/1hpjxqi/are_we_being_lied_to_about_player_count/You're waaaaaaaaaaaay off.
>>537489631Very funny, anon. Here, enjoy some spicy Luna art.
>>537467095Brigitte is one of the most fun healers in Overwatch and Brigitte isn't a problem now.
>>537472405>awkward projectiles>one of the few heroes that is heavily rewarded for headshotsSo stupid.
>>537486907>>537487681It's hilarious how retarded and shit people are, but are delusional enough to not understand a single thing of what they're talking about.Take Ultron for example, no hero can do what he does. There isn't even another Duelist that can do what he does, since he's flying infinite range hitscan. It's clear you have no idea what this means.
>jeff gets ONE kill with his ult>im not throwing guys!how does this not constitute throwing? you're literally sacrifcing a healing ult for this bullshit that if it doesnt work you need to stop fucking playing.i dont care if he healed and had 26/6 assists, hes fucking throwing, healers should have healing ults thats it. If you're not getting value out of your ult then youre dead weight.
Think daredevil is going to be a support purely because I don't know how you would design an ult for him otherwise.
>>537489752I'm not way off at all. Activeplayer is way off all of the time and I've never seen them get anything right that wasn't a rip from steamcharts alone. They will just add nonsensical figures all the time and they've been caught being way off, and have even been caught just lazily slapping the same exact player count estimates on unrelated games before. They'll also include mobile game figures, and console figures. Sometimes. But there's really no rhyme or reason to if they will or wont at random
>>537491460>I don't know how you would design an ult for himHow about... an aoe healing ult?
>>537485032>I need survivability to make playsThis specimen here is why I quit playing supports. Always one reload away from death, zero self-awareness, shit performance, and extremely toxic to boot.The game designers behind rivals make a huge mistake with the healing output. It's a highly addicting drug for retards and a way to boost not only their mmr but also ego which negatively impacts the game and its playerbase in more ways than one.Every support should be like Adam and Ultron. The rest must be toned down together with the dps aoe instakills.
>>537491708>n-no there's a gorrillion bnet playersCope more.
>>537487681>>537486907I almost exclusively play mantis in high gm/low celestial, I get people who throw fits but I just tell them to change to cap/thor/venom and w key with me. If her healing is truly shit for the match I'll swap to rr or sue, I can play Luna and loki but pretty much stopped a while ago because metafags whining makes me want to act like a child back to them and my mantis winrate and carry potential is just way higher anyways.I think part of the issue is point tank mentality of just winning off ult wars instead of winning off neutral, I comm for a dps or off tank to play with me and leave my other support unattended even if it's 2 support and basically just live in the off lane with them harassing their backline. She has pretty good healing from angles and doing this basically forces their flank to play to you or mark you. I'm actually more likely to just swap to hela in three support than play mantis if she isn't working there though, which does happen.
>>537492570Are you stupid? The whole game revolves around burst healing, if you're going to blame someone then blame the developers for designing the game like absolute dogshit, and for your information if you weren't such a faggot who reddit spaced and could understand how fundementally flawed Marvel Rivals is for having such a massive emphasis on healing ultimates and general burst healing then maybe you wouldn't have a fucktard opinion.Christ.
death to spidernigger
>Wanna play DPS>Select it>Someone chooses third dps>The faggot doesn't swap in spawn and proceeds to exit the spawn when round starts >Forced to go second tankIt's even worse when I have to go second support instead.
>>537493819>forcedYou are the lobby bitch
>>537493819>Wanna play DPS>Forced to go second tankYou can always pick Thor
>>537493819>can't carry with 5 other dpsgit gud
Will the game be saved? It seems like the devs are either comically incompetent or are just actively choosing to ignore the massive problems with the game.
>>537493278It's fun picking black widow and stunning divefags with her kit. They almost always switch off once they realize I can just just kick+headshot them and/or blast them with my plasma fire to completely neutralize their broken op playstyle.
>>537494141Will probably settle around 10k or so with the occasional movie boost unless they go down the chink oc donut steel road so hard it manages to get vile even for the cape shitter taste.
>Finally got a job>This means I won't grind ranked for hours on end anymoreGood news is it's for 4 hours only
>>537494363Anon, you'll have to move out of parents basement eventually...
>>537494141nah bro the gooner skins will keep it alive trust me
>>537494647They don't even have the balls to show emma without a cape.
What do I do as a Rocket if my DPS can't kill shit?
>>537495406Switch to Luna/Dagger and help him kill.
>>537494141When has chinese devs ever been competent? All they know how to do is copy, make nice looking games and gacha slop.
Question for penifags, are you supposed to use her ult in between fights, so you can setup multiple mines ASAP for better area denial or what?
>>537495551>c&d>good at killingNice joke. Adam, Mantis, Luna, Ultron are the only strategists actually good at killing players.
>>537495803>C&D>Blind enemies>The dps now have an opportunity to kill without being damaged at all>Get ult>Push into the enemies backline and dps can kill without worrying about hpMaybe you just suck... metal rank anon...
>>537494647With people like this >>537494363 playing I’m not sure they have to worry about that anytime soon.
>>537491460He could have some kind of charging barrage where he just wails on you and gives you a guaranteed kill. I don’t know. DD is a really mystifying choice for this game. >>537484213We don’t. Just accept it and watch the train wreck.
>>537486397don’t post my wife here>>537486683the answer is no
>>537495969Dagger deals dogshit damage.Cloak has limited range and locks you into not healing, while also being worse at killing than the aforementioned strategists even in a bubble.C&D players are without fail retarded. I bet you still believe C&D are burst healers and not sustain.
>>537487506Fair point honestly.>>537487616We can hope. I don’t really care when he gets in though as long as the Chinese don’t fuck up his implementation (they almost certainly will).
>>537495803Anon, sometimes and more often than not, the cloak blind + vulnerability can absolutely shred characters. Infact, it even is more helpful getting yourself as CnD kill secures.
>>537491184alright man just take it easy relax now
>resource rumble in AInyooo
>>537493127facts.>>53749414150/50 chance of either. no way to tell at this point.>>537494362>>537495638also true/probable
>>537497217Any of that shit is redundant when Rocket has higher DPS and both Rocket and Cloak are short ranged.The main reason these heroes are not relevant in terms of damage or kills is because of their limited range and that they have to stop healing to deal damage, which means the times they actually attack and help kill someone are so few and far between it's irrelevant.If you want to actively contribute to kills as a strategist, you do not pick C&D. Even suggesting C&D for this over Rocket speaks of someone not even aware of the overlap in how they function in terms of damage contribution.
why is resource rumble bad?
Does anyone actually care about looking manly?Isn't obsession with social status the most womanly thing?Always feel like this is just some feminist bullshit about "fragile masculinity" that you dumb animals got indoctrinated into and keep bringing on here now even though it's pure Reddit.I'm a man because I have a dick and balls, I don't need to get an STD from a whore or climb a mountain or drink the shittiest most bitter tasting alcohol I can find to become because I'm not some psychopath gay or ftm feminist or something I just have dick and balls.I drink sweet things because they taste good, I sing opera to myself because I like the sound, I spend my time off work playing video games or reading because other people have consistently annoyed and disappointed me to the point I no longer wish to have a social life, so I stopped having one. I work out to preserve lean mass for work, not to look manly. I watch my weight not out of womanliness but because I don't want heart disease. Sometimes I knit because I enjoy it, not to challenge any social gender role or something. Women tell me I am an ultra masculine aggressive rapist based on my posts online because I value justice and equal treatment over their emotionally coded delusions about law, politics, and their propensity for self serving financial tyranny.But I am in fact no existing prevalent stereotype, not even le epic nerd emoji.I'm just not fucking dumb.
>frontlining as tank, not over extending but practically being the only one getting shot at>healers still just wait until im like 100 hp to start healing me, or just dont heal me at all, even though we were in view of each other the entire timeI dont understand healerfags. Are they just sitting in the back playing pat-a-cake until email conformation comes through telling them theyre allowed to heal?
>>537498291>>healers still just wait until im like 100 hp to start healing me, or just dont heal me at all, even though we were in view of each other the entire time>I dont understand healerfagsThey're mmo players.
>>537498291It's mind blowing sometimes. I'm the solo tank the most important healing target on the team and these retards just don't heal half the time.In these situations I always highly suspect the healer(s) are playing in a duo or group with friends and are only running around healing their duo/friends.
>>537498291Have you ever check the replay and see why they are not healing you?Or you're too retarded to check replays?
>>537498291>when the healer is so retarded you have to literally stand in front of them and jiggle back and forth until their fucking pea-sized brain finally activates and registers that you need to be healedI think a lot of them are probably filling and just don't have allied health bars enabled for whatever reason. It's retarded that it's disabled by default but I've never seen an actual support main have them disabled meanwhile people who are forced to fill usually don't think to do it.
>>537498519Solo tank is just a target dummy for the enemy. In that comp priority is surviving and healing the dps that's doing something.
>>537498756Wrong. Time to kill yourself.
>vanguard players wondering why they don't get healed>don't even use the "heal me" voicelineIf you're not even doing this, you have nothing to whine about.
>>537498890Shut up retard not only do we use the ping but as other anons above me already explained, we literally have to stand directly in your face point blank and wiggle back and forth (in my personal experience i have to do this for 5-10 seconds) before you even notice our existence.Most healers are actual mongoloids and blind as shit.
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Draws feel worse than loses
I wish women were real
>>537498618Why would I waste time on replays? The only thing a support needs to do is hold m1 and yet somehow most are too stupid even for that.
only cucks watch replays
what is the best guaranteed results dps to switch to if BP is raping my backline at zesty speeds, so I can peel and babysit them?my aim is avg/below avgWanda?
>>537499053I have almost never seen a vanguard use the heal me ping and I've played since launch.In my experience it's usually the vanguards fault they're not getting healed, partially because they are completely unaware of what is going on behind them, expect their allies to be able to read their mind, often break LoS to the healer and don't have the common sense to back off when they realize they're not getting healed suddenly (which can be due to many different things, like the healer getting dived or something).
>>537499723Wanda helps with spidey. For bp bans work best.
>>537499873>For bp bans work best.And if he got through or its QP ?
>>537499723The best peeler and anti diver is always Reed.
>>537499935Pray that he or his team is bad.
>>537499935Just hook him with Bucky. If you see him, he is behind you, so preemptively charge up the hook and confirm the punish. Or if you want to do something funny, put a an ankh with MK where your supports are standing, and spam that place
>>537500459I will miss with Bucky every time, guaranteed :(
>>537499723Reed and Namor. Good aim obviously helps on Namor but the squids do a lot of work, especially with the gamma teamup if you can get it. Reed can shield your healers and displace BP at the same time, and he's a lot more forgiving with his attacks since he has a persistent hitbox on his swings so you can fling your mouse at him.
>>537500620Good news is the new bp trail will subconsciously make you better and better at hitting those pulls, because it is really easy to get into practice on how to do it. I recommend you going through practice mode and check it out. Just 5 minutes every other session should do the trick
>>537500932>new bp trailQRD?
>>537500620If you can aim use ultron instead.>bad bpYou will have about a second to react and plop the drone+shields on the dived supports.>scriptfag bpAt least the team still has you.>good bprip
>>537500970Bp now leaves a purple trail behind last patch as a shadow nerf, every time he dashes. Every single bp main has been having a bitch fest about since the last few days
nerf BP more
New hero next season is an OC? I thought it was gonna be DD and Angela?
>>537501657Is this some pathetic excuse the devs have for nerfing BP? Like they really think adding some gay little purple trail will somehow make the dude who can kick you in a nano second easier to track?I swear to god if S4 patch notes don't include a real BP nerf i'm fucking done.
Blondes...
>there are (((people))) that main wolverine but do not own blood berserkerYIKES!
>>537502367As annoying as BP can be to fight against, I don't think he needs a nerf. Otherwise his usefulness to a comp would be gone. Just adapt and use an anti-dive comp, simple as.
>>537484595Yesterday I was in a comp with only Ultron and Adam as healers and we steamrolled the enemy team (competitive, not QP) so you're wrong. They don't heal quite as much as Luna or Jeff but the DPS that comes along with it is undeniably useful.
>>537504805I read your post and understand what you're saying, but you're wrong and retarded so i'm just going to discard it into the trash where it belongs. Sorry!Nerf BP or the game dies.
>>537502367Bp just needs to be reworked into Genji. Anything short of this will either make him unplayable or busted all the same
>>537484595>every team needs a healing ult ALL THE FUCKING TIMEUltron has one of the most reliable support ults in the game and it charges very quickly. The trick is to use it more to keep your team alive instead of DPS burst damage, but it can save you from almost every offensive ult.
>>537484595>ultron killed any semblence of that happening in the long run because he's as fucking shit as adam in terms of burst healingThe amount of dumb retarded shit being posted in these threads is insane.Adam is one of the few burst healers in the game and is THE best burst healer. No other healer can instantly heal several heroes as good as him., while also having soul bond as even more anti burst damage.Healers fall in two categories, sustain and burst.Burst healers are Loki, Luna, Adam, Invis and to a lesser extent Jeff.Sustain healers are C&D, Mantis, Ultron and Rocket.The sustain healers job is to keep their team topped up, they do this with healing that allows them to heal a larger group of allies more easily but as a result heal less over time.Burst healers are there to focus their healing on allies that need to be healed asap or are under fire.Ideally you want 1 burst and 1 sustain healer so they complement each other.Idiots are severely underestimating Adam and Ultron's healing and why their healing is good in the right lineups is completely lost on them, even though we've explained this shit multiple times since release.
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>>537505593Ultron's ult has the highest hp/s out of all the strategist ults at 625 hp/s for 9s with brief pauses between each burst. Nothing short of Wanda ult can kill through it.
>>537505616100% agree, good take
>>537505616try tanking with ultron or adam lol
>>537505460Every character needs to bring some value to a comp, otherwise they're useless, and I say this as someone whose former main (MK) is now almost useless in high ranked lobbies. At the same token, could I counter BP with MK? Yes. Not always, but most of the time. If they do nerf BP, they may as well just give him lower health.
>>537505967NTA but Adam's burst healing is the equivalent of several sustain heals stacked together and with Ultron you have constant sustain heal + a temporary shield with right click + added dps over your head at all times if they focus on you. I play dive tank and I can tell you the no healing issue is a general one. Still lost games with Luna, Mantis & CnD just cause they ignored my fat ass.
Hard ranked resets suck donkey cock.I'm stomping every game but it still takes about half an hour to get to the next division. Dear chinkoids, you HAVE to implement placement matches otherwise numbers will continue to drop because I don't believe ppl are actually enjoy this state of affairs.
>>537506187MK is still good but requires a lot more effort now. And his ult is trash ever since the rework. They need to buff it slightly. It can remain slow with a fewer number of Khonshu's hands but there needs to be more damage per hand.
>>537499723Just like real life
Where are the season 4 leaks?
>>537472073BUILT
I haven't played this game for like 2 months. I just came back and had a look at the playercount. What the fuck happened? It has less players than Dead by Daylight right now. Did they fuck up this season or something?
>>537491460There's nothing lore-wise or ability-wise that could suggest he'd be a healer. He'll be DPS for sure. They could've used Jean Grey as a support which was a missed opportunity. I'm still hoping they add Sentry as a support/DPS hybrid where he can switch between the two modes ala CnD.
>>537506959How come only dive and melee characters get easy, direct, hard counters? Like if someone gets rolled by spider man or BP they can just swap to thing or namor and completely shift the entire game for that BP or Spidey even if they aren't good at thing or namor. But if someone gets rolled by hela or Phoenix they just have to suck it up.
>>537508503Hela & Phoenix are weak against dive. It's a rock paper scissors thing.
>>537484595DPS healers bring value with kills. The issue is when people use heal bots as DPS substitutes. I play CnD whenever I need to heal and actually focus on healing instead of DPS and it helps win games.
>>537508274can someone answer
>>537508619No they are not. They both have stuns, I frame dodges, panic ults that completely protect them, higher damage, and Phoenix has flight and melee combos that fucking delete people.
>>537508810Probably a combination of factors like the initial release hype dying off, a lot of smurfs, constant changes to characters and meta, and new content being added at a rather slow pace. There are cosmetics and stuff, but characters take a while to be released. I hadn't played it myself for a few months but came back and now I'm hooked again.
>>537508848Dunno I usually counter Hela with a dive tank and Phoenix with either Hela or Punisher by focusing her. Phoenix seems like a bigger threat than Hela potentially, but most people haven't figured it out yet.Blade in comparison is underwhelming, but he can do well against tanks and supports in the right hands.
>>537508619>It's a rock paper scissors thinghow do you counter emma?
>>537509236Ranged DPS. She's shit against fliers.
>>537479521he's not that bad but his playstyle is weird, at least a 4 star difficulty character
>>537509106>countering Phoenix with hela or punisherBecause you're better than them. That's not what I'm talking about. In a match up like hela v. Jean the better aimer can generally win in a vacuum. But in a match up like iron Man vs venom the venom just has to eat shit and go after someone else. But this kind of match up only seems to apply to dive and melee characters. That's what I'm saying. You can't just pick a character against someone like jean and just auto win because you picked the right character.
>>537509691Well, their weakness is the low HP. I agree that they don't have counters that are as glaringly obvious as these examples, but overall, I'd say they're weak to dive, and easy to kill in general, especially if they're not getting good heals. > and just auto win because you picked the right characterThe thing that gives you the highest chance of winning above everything else is a good team comp. The best DPS in the world can't solo carry a bad team comp. They'll just get an SVP participation trophy.t. have been that DPS many times cause my team refused to have a balanced comp
>>537509916true desu, comp is the most important thing and I can see why overwatch picks a role for youvery rarely does a weird ass comp work right, and only because someone on the team has to hard-carry the game
>>537502029It is? The OCs are coming later
>>537509563He'd be balanced if he was a season 0/1 character. A lot of things have changed since then and they need to adjust him in accordance. But people still haven't really mastered him. He might be the next Human Torch.
>>537508279>muh jean supportNo. They just executed her poorly. Sentry should be a tank support hybrid at best. Who can fly.
>>537510368Sentry is one of the few characters in the comics who can actually heal and even resurrect other people. It would make sense for him to be a support. Adam should also be a flying tank on paper, but it's better that they made him a strategist, since tanks need large hitboxes too. For tanks, you can just add larger characters like the Juggernaut, Colossus, etc.
>>537509916>their weakness is the low HP.Jean has 275 and constant, interrupted self heals. Punisher has 300 HP. Namor has 275 and an I frame defensive ability like hela. Storm and widow are like the only actual low HP poke characters.
>>537510598Das Ding™ kind of took Juggernaut's gimmick of being immovable, but I do hope they add Juggs at some point, it's time for some legit heel tanks.
>>537510895And yet they're easier to take out than, say, Iron Fist who is also a low health character. Because they can't block, they can only evade.
>>537511035>Iron fist>Low healthHe has 300 HP. The standard is supposed to be 250. Is anyone who doesn't have tank health (600+ HP) low to you?
>>537498291Salmon sex is good don’t spread misinfo please
>>537499183Hi Tony
>>537511139If a character can get killed by a single mag dumped into them without the need to reload, they're low hp. This obviously doesn't apply to characters with no reload but you get the idea. At 300 hp, just about anyone can kill you fairly quickly. That's where evasion, blocking, shields and all other gimmicks come into play.
>>537506959He was so real for this
>>537484595Adam can survive a number of ults by simply burst healing himself. Certainly more survivability than a Luna if she's not ulting.
>>537510598Sentry’s main gimmick is being Marble’s literal Superman analogue alongside Hyperion. His main thing is being a flying brick who can rank absurd amounts of damage who can fly up to people and punch their faces off but also has a bunch of stuff in his backpocket besides that. Making him a squishy healer alone would be arguably the biggest fuck up they could do implementation wise. He’s one of those characters whose power set is so varied that he could realistically fit any class, which is why a tank healer is fairly reasonable.
>>537511035Just wait till they add Ant Man. With that hitbox, he'll be an absolute bitch to deal with. They should make his HP 50 or something.
>>537512069Tank healers are too busted as a concept. Yeah, lore-wise it would make sense, but this also applies to Adam Warlock who is kind of a Superman clone in his own right. I think Sentry should be a flying Cloak & Dagger.
The only character I ever play is Magneto because there's never any vanguards otherwise and he's the only vanguard that I don't repeatedly die as...
>>537478082>no punisher
>>537513130him and venom are in the savage avengers
>>537512264>Tank healers are too busted as a conceptNot at all, you just need to pull the right balancing levers.If the main role is Vanguard, then the healing will need to come at a cost or be limited. They wouldn't replace healers, just alleviate their jobs a little or that it's used defensively, like Mag or Hulk can with their shields.Reed is a good example. He's a hybrid DPS that can give allies 75 bonus health. Or Thing with his damage resist.Just as a basic example, now imagine that a Vanguard healed and ally for 60 HP or damaged an enemy by 60 dmg when rushing towards them in a similar way as Reed/Thing.This can of course be implemented in tons of different ways, but a Vanguard that has limited healing is perfectly fine.
What else can I do with the purple coins other than spending it on battlepass? I got 13k of those and I completed the battlepass a few days after season 3.5
>>537513736All characters in the game deal some form of damage, some more than others. Tanks can already have the most kills in a match if they know what they're doing. If you give them the ability to heal they'll be too busted.Giving them or their allies temporary shields is a better idea.
>>537513887Blue units. The end of the battlepass offers arguably the most value because you get 100 units for 1000 chrono tokens.
>>537513887units
>>537484076Cope is what you're doing right now lol
>>537514082>they'll be too bustedOnly if you're a fucking retard.Which you are.
>>537514082Anon, Blade has literal lifesteal and is one of the worst heroes in the game.Design and balance is what it comes down to, not the simple fact that they can heal themselves or others.
>>537441374Stay filtered, dork
>>537515372>and is one of the worst heroes in the gameGood. We don't need another Wolverine where the apex of their skill ceiling is holding down M1 in your face until you die.
>>537515372Blade is tricky to play and actually requires some skill, but isn't terrible. It's just that the average person can get the same value with other DPSs with less effort or game sense. They will probably buff him because of this.
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>>537515778A good Blade is pretty much Wolverine in that regard. Pretty good against tanks, but not to the point where he feels unfair to play against.
>>537515965kek
>>537514939How? Certain healers are already busted enough on their own while having measly health. It's just a bad idea that invalidates the need of tanks AND healers if a character can do both.
>>537466801>just give me a free win button
>>537515856>>537516006Blade is a subpar version of Bucky with some antiheal. That's it.Blade's main problem is that he deals absolutely no damage in melee. Blade at max attackspeed stacks at 10 deal a little over 100 dmg/s. Heroes like Hulk deal 80 dmg/s just holding down M1.As Blade you should never melee anyone.
>>537516557>How? Certain healers are already busted enough on their own while having measly health. It's just a bad idea that invalidates the need of tanks AND healers if a character can do both.You're clearly not very good at design, knowledgeable about games or just thinking in general if you think a Vanguard with some light or limited healing would be broken and invalidate the healer role.I can also tell that explaining this in detail would be a waste of time because you're obviously not open minded.
CARNAGE when?
>>537516952It's not about being open or closed minded. Vanguards who can shield their allies already bring enough value to the role as is. Tampering with that ruins the balance of the game.Instead of that, you could just give them ultimates that channel their other abilities in terms of the lore. They did it right with Strange. He's a shield tank but his other abilities like his portal and being able to stop time reflect his lore.
>>537517224Probably not soon because they will need to add non-DPS characters and even then, the majority of the upcoming ones will likely be DPS. Someone could argue they can make him a healer but they'd be off their rocker. Carnage is one of the few characters who they can give anti-heal to, since in the comics he can basically drain your power like a vampire.
>>537512151And that’s why they’re never adding him lol>>537512264>who is kind of a Superman clone in his own rightHe’s not, Adam is more of a Strange-type caster character, he rarely gets into all out fight fight brawls the way Superman/Sentry does, him being a ranged healer is a pretty close approximation of how he should actually be. I do agree that a tank support could probably be too much, but if I had to go with one I’d definitely say tank.
>>537517743tank with anti-healCarnage is slim, but very tanky, can survive insane shit
>>537517319>literally proves everything i said while being 100% close-minded, ignorant and not very brightI rest my case. I made the right call not making an elaborate serious breakdown and waste all that time and effort.
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>>537514902sure thing rakesh
>>537515726>so assblasted xhe had to reply half a day later in the next thread kek mcFarlanecucks everyone
>>537517751Captain Marvel is pretty much confirmed to be coming, and I assume they'll make her the first flying tank, but we'll see. Sentry could fill any role, but given that there are too many duelists, making him a tank or healer would be preferable.
Any advice on how to play Jean Grey? She's>Hot>Has a huge cock (thanks to the Phoenix Force)Anyone got a good crosshair for her I can try
>>537517909I thought I was Tyrone. Gonna cycle through all the minorities, coper?
>>537517886Explain in simple terms what's remotely balanced about a tank who can a) DPS b) Heal and c) Soak up damage. These are all the roles combined into a single character. It's just stupid and invalidates the roles. Maybe if they added an ability where the healing is very lite, just as a wink to, say, Apocalypse being able to tamper with your physiology, but even then, it comes off like a mishmash of roles that don't belong anywhere. The best you could realistically hope for in terms of hybrid classes is DPS oriented healers.
>>537517914>nooooooo you can't read old threads, you must be here 24/7 like meOk dork
>>537517914To his creditMcFarlane >>> Kneel Gayman
>>537518181>Anyone got a good crosshair Isn't she hitscan? Any Hela/Punisher crosshair should do.
>>537517848The only issue there would be that tanks need to have a larger hitbox. Maybe if they make his design slim but with lots of spouting tentacles and shit.
>>537518317As the other anon said.You're close minded and can only imagine how "it just can't work", and there's really no point wasting time to argue with you.Here's a hint, balancing is all about playing with the numbers. But you're probably not willing to accept that, because it goes against your arguments.
>>537518317No, I already told you why. I don't waste my time on dense idiots.
>>537518317>It's just stupid and invalidates the roles. >comes off like a mishmash of roles that don't belong anywhereSweaty, I don't know what game you think you're playing but this is already half of the roster.
>>537519493>but this is already half of the roster.It really isn't. Other than everyone being able to deal damage, which is a given, the characters fit their roles. And what anon is suggesting won't fit the roles. >>537519075>please be open minded to the idea of a character who can fill out every single available role in the gameYeah, nah. I'm open minded to them bringing in PvE. >>537519105That's not an argument whatsoever.
Rivals will announce EOS before any of these characters get in
>>537519756>so inhumanely retarded he thinks a vanguard with even some form of healing, no matter how restricted and small, would somehow fill all roles and make roles likes strategists redundant>expects anyone to take him seriouslyIf this isn't bait, you should seek professional help. This is the final (you) you'll get from me.
>>537519756Go see a doctor.You have autism.
>>537519971I'm not saying you can't tweak the numbers to make it "work". I'm saying it's a bad design choice that would, at best, result in a jack of all trades master of none type situation or something so ridiculously OP, everyone would just want to play that. What role would such a character even fill? A vanguard or a strategist. Shields are thematically and functionally a lot better for a vanguard while filling a very similar role to what you're suggesting. Your issue is that you're trying to reinvent the wheel but you can't come up with a good replacement for it.
Magneto BULLS run this thread
>>537520065Spot on analysis. have autism because I care about basic balance and role consistency.
>>537520335Shut the fuck up you fucking retard. You are not even familiar with what EHP and think anything you think or say has any relevance here.Do not ever waste people's time with your retarded fucking drivel ever again.
>>537520558You're just bringing a shit idea to the table, that's all. And the funny thing is, it more than likely stems from your lack of skill in the game, and thus a need for a swiss army knife character.It's just a shit idea, nothing more to it.
>>537519971a tank with healing is some schizo shit that doesn't belong in role queue games
help please, jeff looks sick
>>537520705I told you to stop fucking posting, you subhuman ape.If you do not even know and understand what EHP is, absolutely anything and everything you say is irrelevant.You're a mongoloid trying to tell a brain surgeon how to do their job when you know fuck all about it.
>>537520934Yeah, I'm sure brain surgeons spend their free time autistically screeching online that their Donutsteel vidya ideas get discarded. You're the smartest person on this board, clearly.
>>537520920What has Emma done to that poor bastard?
>>537520920>>537521228>when she kicks you in the balls
>>537520920Diagnosis: Severe lack of Emma GFD>>537519756>Other than everyone being able to deal damage, which is a given, the characters fit their roles.LMAOOOYou need to play more games, better games.
>>537521372There's hero shooters with heroes that don't deal any damage whatsoever?
>>537521163You have yet you prove you aren't ignorant, idiot.Explain what EHP is and how it relates to the discussion.If you do not even understand a fundamental concept like this in regards to ability, hero and kit design, you are factually too ignorant on the subject.This is even disregarding all the explanations people gave you already, because like all ignorant idiots, they are also close-minded.Go ahead and make another logical fallacy, proving you are only here to shitpost.
>>537519971>This is the final (you) you'll get from me>keeps replyingjust learn warlock and hide behind your tanks more
>>537520448tankbulls*
>nooooooo you can't have tanks with skills that heal because it would make them broken and make healers irrelevant!!!!!!kek
Just add my nigga khan from paladins. Has a heal, has a shield, has good damage, isn't broken. Actually just make thanos a port of him ult and all.
>>537521450No, nice strawman though tard
>>537521505>This is even disregarding all the explanations people gave you already, because like all ignorant idiots, they are also close-minded.You're made no explanation whatsoever, that's part of the problem. The burden of proof is very much on you. What you've given so far is a suggestion, which is frankly just not good. Venom's "self heal" (it's not even a heal) ability is the proper implementation of this EHP you're jerking off to without it tampering with his fucking role as a tank.No, we do not need burst heal tanks. That's a stupid idea. Stick to your role and get better.
>>537521713>>537521770Paladins is a completely different game than Rivals albeit.
>>537521931Answer the question, prove you at least know basic design fundamentals in regards to hero desig. >Explain what EHP is and how it relates to the discussion.You already proven you have zero experience with mobas, hero shooters and mmos because tanks with skills that heal is nothing new and is not broken. But at least you can prove you have a tiny speck of the bare minimum of the required design knowledge and sensibility.Or don't and keep relying on your deflections and logical fallacies.
>>537521790The roles in rivals are pretty self evident within 5 mins of playing the game. There's hybrid elements but nothing that breaks a character into being unrecognizable or not fitting their role.
>>537522146point is that tanks that can heal a bit is nothing new and directly disproves the schizo's 'arguments', which btw he has none
>a vanguard that could have a defensive skill like thing that instead healed the target by 50hp would be outrageous and the very idea of a vanguard with some form of healing would be bad for the game... for no reason at allWhat the fuck am I reading
>Magneto grants a 300 HP shield>this is fine>Vanguard gives someone 100 hp>AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!holy fuck kill all dpstrannies
>>537522156Yet again you fail to bring forth any argument in favor of your suggestion and instead ask me about EHP (something which I already alluded to in my last post). I know there's tanks like that in other games. We're talking about Rivals here and I'm saying it's a shit idea FOR Rivals, because the roles are too distinct here. Shields fill out this role already. Yes, they're not as good of an alternative as straight up healing, but they bring enough value while also functioning within the specific roles and sandbox Rivals has set up. I'm not talking about fucking Paladins here, that would be a different context and thus a different conversation. The devs could very well add a tank like that in the future, given that there's only a limited number of gimmicks you can pull out of your ass, and I would still think it's a poor decision within the context of Rivals.
>>537522607Sounds more like a Luna picker to me.>its ok for me to have 12s of cc immunity and borderline invincibility and making everyone around me basically invincible>a vanguard giving a 25hp heal to someone else? not cool man, healing is MY job
>>537522607It's actually the other way around. When he's already giving a shield, why seethe at the fact that he's not giving health as well?By giving a shield, he's still a vanguard for every angle you look at it, and not a hybrid class in any sense. When you have healing involved, it is now a hybrid class even if it's some lite burst healing. That's shit desu.
>>537522881Answer the question. If you can't you prove you do not even possess basic knowledge of kit design. If you don't even possess that, you are not qualified for this discussion. Period. This is your last chance before you're disregarded as a shitposter. Against my better judgement I gave you multiple olive branches to prove yourself, but you failed every time.
>>537523019Do you think a DPS should be able to burst heal 25 HP too? Say, I dunno, Black Panther?
>>537522304Reed is a tankAdam, Mantis, and Ultron are DPSThor is DPS
>Nooooooooo vanguards shouldn't AAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
I hope devs scrap the Symbiote shenanigans team-up and Magik wil get a decent one in s4.
We already have a tank that heals.Say her name.
>>537523247How generous of you to give me an olive branch without ever having an argument in the first place. All you suggested was that tanks should have burst healing without explaining why, and how that would fit the game, where the roles are more distinct than in other hero shooters where you could see more skill hybridization. You want to play as a tanky Adam Warlock for no other reason than simply your own lack of skills with the already available options. There are tanks with self-heal (Venom) which is already generous as is, while actually making a lick of sense in the context of a Vanguard vs a Strategist. I understand everything you're suggesting here, but the mistake you're making is to treat Rivals like it isn't distinct from other hero shooters (in particular Paladins) at all.
>>537523584gr0000t
>>537523324Not at all. >>537523451As an ult, and something that makes sense. I also suggested this exact idea earlier without even taking Cap into account.
I'm a Peni main because she is a young teenager with humungous tits
>>537523892>Not at all.Non-argument. I accept your concession.
>watch whole team stagger one by one by one. What am I supposed to even do at that point? My hulk went 0-6 before he got a single elim.
>>537524118Reed gets out-tanked by any tank, Adam, Mantis and Ultron get out DPSed, and Thor is beefier than any DPS while not providing nearly as much damage per second as a DPS.The idea of a tank with a right-click or E-skill heal is just.. shit. Not that it can't be implemented, but it's shit and distills the roles too much. There's a big difference from giving Cap a healer ult and giving him a right click shield toss that heals allies every 10 seconds. But to recognize this, you would need to have good design sense, and that's what seems to be lacking. And gameplay alone does not fall under this. The context and the actual property matter here too.
>>537524206>What am I supposed to even do at that point?Wait for them to add healer tanks to hand-hold you I guess
>>537524640Wrong :)
>>537524640Part 2
>>537523103Healing != hybrid. You have no idea what hybrid even is.Soldier from Overwatch is a DPS with aoe healing, but he is not a hybrid.Khan from Paladins is a tank with a low aoe heal, but he's not a hybrid.Part of the tank role in games like these (and other ones, like mobas and mmos) is to be durable and generally provide some form of utility, often in the form damage resistance, shielding or yes healing. Usually this is more restrictive, but falls in line with their role of protecting the team. This is in fact even more relevant in games without aggro, since the tank has no way to actually prevent allies from not getting attack like with aggro.But a tanks specific purpose within that role that differ. If you don't do this you fall into the trap of homogenized design which means every single tank, dps and healer play in the exact same way, which you don't want in games with a large number of classes or heroes. Otherwise you will easily get just a few heroes which are flat out better than any other ones since they all lack a niche and makes the point of picking a different class or hero pointless since they all pretty much play the same.tl;dr adding some arbitrary restriction like not allowing healing is objectively bad design.
>enemy team has luna rocket>you have ultron sueThe game was rigged from the start.
>>537523289>Do you think a DPS should be able to burst heal 25 HP too?Why not?
>ffxivdoesnt countkill yourself pedotranny
>>537522498>would be bad for the game... for no reason at allA couple of reasons really. The first one is that the difference between vanguards and strategists in rivals are the most distinct of all the classes, and it would therefore be an inconsistent and poor design choice to give a vanguard healing abilities or a haler a way to increase their HP bar to match that of a vanguard, unless in some ultimate ability, and that in itself would require for you to make a good design choice. You can't give the Hulk Ultron's healing drone ability for example and call it a good ult thematically. And that goes with the other reason, which is tied more to the lore. There's nothing about the character of the Thing that suggests he'd be able to heal someone, whereas you could pull enough shit out of your ass to suggest Invisible Woman could patch things up with her telepathic abilities.
>>537523584Ore wa Gruto
>>537525480>ignores absolutely all of the text to plug his earsAccept your concession. But we all knew you were wrong.
>>537524931Spider-Man could one shot a backline strategist more quickly and consistently than Adam and you know this, provided it's not an anti-dive comp. He also has no evasion like a DPS does.>>537525195Thor gets absolutely melted by Wolverine, a DPS.
I don't care what people say, playing mag is FUN.
>>537525352Other than it being a poor design choice, nothing really, the sky is the limit. But how would such a character fill their role in the queue then? On what planet does it make sense for BP to be a healer?All of this seems to be predicated on the desires of players who simply aren't good at the game and want their tank to heal on top of having generous health AND damage.And this is when we already have healers with very decent (but not better) DPS compared to DPS characters, and tanks which can very much also have the most kills.
>>537525626>The first one is that the difference between vanguards and strategists in rivals are the most distinct of all the classesIrrelevant and made up. Try again.>inconsistent and poor design choiceThere is nothing inconsistent about a hero being able to do something a prior hero hasn't been able to do. Is this a joke?Stop throwing around bad design when you don't even know the first thing about design.>vanguard healing abilities or a haler a way to increase their HP bar to match that of a vanguardWhy are you making up things no one said.You have yet to prove why a vanguard with healing is bad and no one said to give a healer 700hp pool. If you have to pull shit from your ass you've already admitted to being wrong.>You can't give the Hulk Ultron's healing drone ability for example and call it a good ult thematicallyBad argument again. Chinks clearly don't care about what's thematically fitting. Just look at Hulk. Giving shields and spitting bullets that stun and are canceled by Hulks attacks (punishing Hulk for attacking) is not thematically in line with Hulk.For your dumb argument to hold any water, you're saying vanguard and healers should not be able to attack because dealing damage is the DPS job.You're too dumb to live.
>>537525856>Spider-Man could one shot a backline strategist more quickly and consistently than AdamNot by much, Adam has a right click.>He also has no evasion like a DPS doesWhat evasion does Mr. Fantastic have?>Thor gets absolutely melted by Wolverine, a DPS.Completely irrelevant to the argument. Finally ran out of copes, or finally resorted to the "I was just pretending to be retarded" strategy? Hm?
>>537522498I've seen this same conversation in mmos like 20+ years ago.>hurr dps do dps tank do nothing heal do heal durr
>>537526172>Other than it being a poor design choiceWhich it isn't and that hasn't been proven. It's jsut something you decided on and tons of people disagreed with you, gave you examples and reasons while telling you that you're wrong. You ignored all of it.
>>537526395>Completely irrelevant to the argumentNTA but how? Wolv shreds tanks. What am I reading
>>537526172Iron Fist has a group heal now, in case you've been living under a rock for a few weeks.
>>537525207>Soldier from Overwatch is a DPS with aoe healing, but he is not a hybrid.Yes, and he doesn't fit Rivals. But Punisher and his kit does. Interesting how different games benefit from different game design.> is to be durable and generally provide some form of utility, often in the form damage resistanceAnd guess what? That's already the case in Rivals. What sets it apart is that the roles are more distinct and you indeed get a tank when you pick a tank and a haler when you pick a healer. The two have to work in unison, as it's a team game.>which means every single tank, dps and healer play in the exact same wayThey don't need to play the exact same way, and they don't. The way Jeff plays and the way Luna plays are distinct and different, just like Venom and Magneto. But they are consistent within their roles and don't double as healers. And that to me is a mark of good design, as opposed to the jack of all trade approach, which essentially turns everything into a CoD shooter if you really think about it. If each character fills out the same role, you've lost the appeal of the hero shooter idea.>tl;dr adding some arbitrary restriction like not allowing healing is objectively bad design.And I argue that giving Juggernaut healing is bad design and I firmly stand by it. So it's ultimately a disagreement in design philosophy more than anything else. Because adding healing to a tank would undoubtedly be viable. As would adding them aimbot from 2000 miles. And other cheat codes. And that's why it's bad design.
>>537526694Because we were talking about raw DPS numbers, just follow the reply chain and actually read.
>>537526972No I don't think I will... you sound like a troon.
>>537525626*telekinetic abilities>>537524061Understandable but some non-slop would be nice :)
>>537527028Thanks for your useful contribution to the discussion bud
>>537526937>Yes, and he doesn't fit Rivals.You making up in your head what fits and doesn't in Rivals is irrelevant.The rest of your post is equal amounts of schizo drivel which isn't arguments, just you making blanked statements based on emotions and ignorant opionions while presenting them as fact. Your entire post is just this and didn't disprove a single thing said.Sorry for assuming you had a brain, won't happen again. I'll stop replying so you stop shitting up the thread now.
>>537518478pathetic comeback cope and seethe plus get better taste>>537518627well sure but that’s not exactly a high bar
>>537527227Tranny seething..
You know that Rockets armor packs are an amazing ability when most people dont even bother to pick them up. What the fuck were they thinking?
If are an avg player and have to SOLO HEAL - which strategist do you pick?
>>537526395>Not by much, Adam has a right click.Which can be more easily evaded or you can get healed by the time he puts the final cap in your ass. Good luck doing that with Spider-Man. He'll kill you immediately.>What evasion does Mr. Fantastic have?Shielding himself temporarily. But he still has a small health bar compared to a tank, and isn't nearly as tedious to take out as, say, Magneto. At least if you know what you're doing. Fucking Jeff is harder to take out with his quasi-invisibility in underwater mode, but I get it, it's part of his lore and thus an obvious design addition, like Spider-Man swinging.>Completely irrelevant to the argumentFucking how? A Thor without supports is easy pickings for me with just about any DPS. What the fuck is he gonna do when I'm blasting his ass with Iron Man missiles from the sky? Lmao.>>537526550>Which it isn't and that hasn't been provenFor Rivals it's a poor design choice. It can feasibly be implemented but I view it as a last resort addition from lack of originality. Giving Magneto a shield bubble is so much better than giving him an "E" heal on so many levels, from gameplay, to role queue, thematically, it's just night and day. But not everyone can get into design.
>>537523584>good art>weird groid dialogue Wtf
>>537518230Both are poop colored so the point still stands technically.
>>537527453luna
>>537527453Rocket.
>>537527256Sorry I don't spend every waking moment on a basket weaving forum, reddit faggot
>>537527453>If are an avg player and have to SOLO HEAL - which strategist do you pick?Rocket 100%I've done it a few times and surprisngly they were winsBut I can only do it on Rocket, barely
>we have duelists that can self heal, lifesteal, give themselves of allies bonus health and heal a group of allies>but giving vanguards the abilty to heal? that's going too far!
Why does spiderman have a 0 - 10 match up against widow
>>537527756>lets give the characters with the most health even MORE health, and the ability to heal themselvesJust git gud and stop sucking ass. Vanguard is my second most played role and I'd hate it if it were that easy to stay alive. It removes any sense of urgency or competition.
>>537526801It's actually a pretty strong heal too, I've see him stall OT cart with a healer way longer than he should have because of that.
>>537526801Isn't that a team up ability with Luna though? A, y'know, healer? Groot has healing walls too. It's a team up ability so I don't mind.
>>537527498Okay so pretending to be retarded, got it.
>>537527951>>lets give the characters with the most health even MORE health, and the ability to heal themselvesSo, Groot? He has a wall that constantly heals himself and a Mantis wall that heals himself and others.Or did you mean Peni that heals herself on her webs?
>>537528343Yes, and Venom can heal himself too, but not his allies. And that's fair. Giving each of them a burst heal ala Adam Warlock is not only unfair, more importantly, it's shit design.>>537528307It all boils down to personal preference, it's not like they can't implement such a thing. But make no mistake about it, it is shit design. You, as an individual, have shit taste.
>>537527453>>537527723It's because you can't dive rocket. You just need to play hard dive with him and hope the blitz works out. If the enemy team wastes time chasing a rocket (who can still heal far away while kiting) they have less resources peeling their own backline and sometimes it shoots themselves in the foot. Funny enough some of the most memorable ranked games are when there's a solo rocket on either side since the comp plays into it hard.
>>537527756>duelists that can self healAt a price. I see Iron Fist doing that and snipe him immediately since he's immobile.>lifestealThat barely works, if at all. They need to buff Blade to make him viable. And lifesteal makes sense because he's a vampire.They will undoubtedly introduce some healer Tank at some point, like Thanos, but it should be a very limited ability, otherwise I agree with the other anon that it sort of ruins the balance between the separate roles.
>>537528521>Yes, and Venom can heal himself too, but not his allies. And that's fair.You keep moving goalposts. Now it's suddenly okay for Vanguard to heal themselves? Ok.But you're cool with Groot healing others with his wall? Ok. You're also cool with Duelists having self bonus health, self heal, lifesteal and can heal allies in a big aoe and give them bonus health? Ok.You also think that not making any arguments to back up your statements is cool too? Ok.
PS4bros... Rise up
>>537528985>Strange opens portals>PS4 crashes
>>537529086That's a problem with the garbage engine not the hardware.
>>537528805>At a priceMore goalpost moving. Nice!And what a steep price it is to heal allies in a huge aoe by 100 hp/s and give them up to 100 bonus health for several seconds.It makes even less sense for a dps hero to do this and that those other forms of healing than a vanguard, because a dps job is to deal damage and kill. You never adressed this.>That barely worksNice, keep moving those goalposts. You were already frothing at the mouth of the idea of a vanguard giving out a 25hp heal.
>>537528985Having to develop for a weaker console always goes so well.
>>537528521>It all boils down to personal preferenceNice backpedaling lol
>>537528827>. Now it's suddenly okay for Vanguard to heal themselves?I alluded to Venom earlier as an example of this idea done right >>537521931And it's not a permanent heal, it's temporary health.>But you're cool with Groot healing others with his wall?It's a team up ability WITH a healer so I don't mind it. Just shoot the walls. It's not like he can throw auto-aim healing daggers at you, or fucking burst heal you with a mere click, like someone people are suggesting.>You're also cool with Duelists having self bonus health, self heal, lifesteal and can heal allies in a big aoe and give them bonus health?Depends a lot on the context. For example I'm fine with Cap's ult because it's his ultimate ability, and is more defensive than offensive, which makes sense for a tank, but is also not targeted healing, which makes a big difference. It's not like his shield toss can heal allies. That would be an awful decision. As for duelists having self-heal abilities, they need some form of survival, having low HP. I'm fine with the idea of Iron Fist recovering his health because there's a tradeoff in that he's immobile, and easy pickings for a good player. I'm not fine with the idea that he can give others healing as a regular, non-team up ability, and do so on a regular basis. This is not good design. This applies even more so to tanks, where the focus of the health should be on them, not their teammates. A tank healing team mates is generally just a poor design choice.
>it's fine for dps to heal and shit, which are only there to kill>not fine for tanks to heal and protect their team???is this dps main gaslighting?
>>537529525grok, pull out logs of the Brig incident
>>537529257Details matter, it's not at all goalpost moving.There's a huge fucking difference between Venom temporarily giving himself more health vs right clicking and healing 40% of your health. You're the one moving goal posts.>It makes even less sense for a dps heroIt makes more sense as they have less HP and are vulnerable, but yes, I'm glad you agree it makes no sense generally. >because a dps job is to deal damage and kill.Absolutely! And a tank's job is to soak up damage and buy the team space. Not heal them. Abso-fucking-lutely.
>>537529195The garbage hardware is not helping.
>>537529525>>it's fine for dps to heal and shitNice strawman. Now actually read what I said. Shang Chi healing himself while being in a vulnerable position isn't the equivalent of Luna healing you with every single click she does. I'm not in charge of team up abilities, and some of them are admittedly wonky (more so than the base character abilities, which are fine).Like I said, they'll probably add your much requested strategist tank at some point. Will I be shitting on it when it comes out? Absolutely.
>>537529474>And it's not a permanent heal, it's temporary health.Except Peni and Groot have perma heals.>It's a team up ability WITH a healer so I don't mind it.Which is going against the weak arguments you made before, along with everything else, with how it goes against the core design of the game.You're moving goalpost after goalpost here too, with stuff like 'just shoot the walls'.>or fucking burst heal you with a mere click, like someone people are suggestingNo one did. You dreamed that up in your schizo mind, like a bunch of other stuff you asspulled to try and make yourself sound more credible.>Depends a lot on the contextSo if a Vanguard which had being able to heal others as part of his lore you would be cool with it? Because that would contradict your prior statements.>As for duelists having self-heal abilities, they need some form of survival, having low HPThe amount of goalpost moving and mental gymnastics on your end is getting seriously pathetic.Here's reality>you had made up a deluded idea in your mind for how heroes should be designed>people kept proving your wrong and poking holes in your arguments, even to the point where dps heroes have powerful heals and shielding, with vanguards having perma self heal and can heal allies>incapable of acceptign that he of all people is wrong, wants to die on this hill, even if it takes 300 more shitpostsThe best thing for you is to have people stop replying to you, because you're clearly mentally ill. I'm not saying this as an insult, but concern which no one around you shows you.
>>537530027make it make sense that a rubber man humping you gives you shields
>>537529303It's not backpedaling at all. I get the appeal, you want a tank that can carry your whole fucking team to victory single handedly, and isn't just a tank but a strategist. You want an easy win. I just think it's a poor design choice on multiple levels if we look at it from a nuanced perspective. Again, there's a difference between a tank having a support ult that aids in defensive survivability, and a common ability to heal others, which is what I would have an issue with.
>>537529290Iirc Sonic Frontiers only had that pop-in issue because of the Nintendo Switch version and there's a preset in the games files where they left the game's quality on the lowest setting so every version suffers for it instead of Sonic Team tuning the game higher on other systems
HEY TIDDY ENJOY THE AMPLIFIER
Watch the gooks give the next Vanguard a healing ability and this anon have a melty, lol
>team mate on psy keeps shit talking me non stop as spiderman>tell him it's a lot harder when you're not playing an S tier character like psy>he swaps to his lord hela and tells me if it's so easy to play psy myself>tell him I want to have fun so I play spidey>my emma start trash talking him in voice >check his character stats after the gameThese people are unreal. They have no concept of fun and play just to win. It doesn't matter how they win they just want to win. They'd use cheats if they thought they could get away with it. Literally never play anything that's meta and get angry at people for playing anything else and acting like they're hot shit about it. Zero self awareness.
>>537530292>Except Peni and Groot have perma heals.Cool. They also can't heal you. Groot can, with a team up ability with a healer. They need to make the team up abilities viable. I'm not in charge of any of these decision, and don't always agree with them. >with how it goes against the core design of the gameI think the idea of a healer tank goes against the core design, yes. Because the roles are distinct between one another. You can't confuse a healer for a tank in this game.>No one didWhat the fuck do you want then? Explain in more detail what a healing tank entails.>So if a Vanguard which had being able to heal others as part of his lore you would be cool with it?I would focus on his other abilities within the lore if they will be a vanguard, or use the healing aspect in an ult, and design it in a way that makes sense. Dr. Strange could certainly cast a spell that would heal you. Did they make him a strategist? No. He works fine as a vanguard without needing to heal. >goalpost Nuance isn't goal posting, idiot. Vanguards shouldn't have as much damage as DPSs. Does that mean I'm saying they should have no damage whatsoever?tl;dr You have Donutsteel design ideas that don't mesh well with gameplay, lore or game balance.
>>537530881>I want objectively shit characters in the roster which fit no specific roles, solely to give anon a meltyI won't give a shit. I would just laugh at it as a poor design choice. It's not like every character they've designed has been perfect. Look at Blade for example. Doesn't even live up to his namesake a lot of the time. More like "Gun".
>>537531149>Get told something is meta>ignore everything else and only play le meta>seethe and rage at everyone not playing le metawe need to kill people like this
Remember, don't reply to the schizo and he will go away. He's only here for attention no one else in his life gives him.
is it worth to go Loki if your co-healer is Susan/CnD/Rocket/Mantis?
>>537531460>disagree with objectively controversial idea that even NetEase themselves have yet to implement>you're a schizoIn the time it took for you to rage here, you could've learned how to play Tank so you wouldn't need those handicaps you're so desperate for.
>>537499183Imagine if we got this Emma instead of what we have now.
>>537532019It's because of the hitbox. She needs a larger design.
>>537530484>tanks CANNOT have healing, it would be unbalanced!>well okay maybe not but it would invalidate the roles!>well okay but it would be poor game design!>alright well, it just boils down to personal preference>I didn't backpedal at all!Lmfao I genuinely can't imagine going through life being this stupid
>>537523584it really needs to heal more and faster
>>537531496Mantis yesThe others not much
>>537532158>>tanks CANNOT have healing, it would be unbalanced!Correct. Good thing they don't. I guess the design team doesn't just throw random shit at the wall and see what sticks and have some semblance of design.
>>537528985>wanting to cash in on the even poorer brown audienceChinese greed truly knows no bounds.>>537530553Yeah I heard something similar too makes sense.
>>537532019>>537532110The only real issue is the face and outfit, her thickness in this game is an upgrade. We need more big (but not fat) women
>>537528985Why the fuck are they wasting time on this bullshit instead of putting in on Switch?
>>537532110>cram character into a role she doesn’t belong in>ruin her design in the processchinese problem solving
>>537532110It's not just the size of her body (which is actually fine) but what she wears, and she has too much makeup. Her phoenix outfit is her best skin.
>>537532273Consult: >>537516952 >>537514939 >>537515372And click through the chain. Don't bother responding again without re-reading :)
>>537532158Don't reply to him. People like him are not here to discuss and you can't reason with them.They will deflect and repeat their own ideas until people stop replying. They will then taking it as a 'win' and never change their ways. So the cycle repeats. I've dealt with his kind before. You're always better off ignoring them.
>>537532158it does boil to personal preferencethey could do it but it would be weird and prolly feel weird too
>>537513328>”for the heavy metal crowd”God what cringe>>537529597The fuck is the Brig incident
>>537532467Why shouldn't a woman that can turn into diamonds be a tank?
>>537518230Doesn't cloak even give dagger a rose?
>>537532443>Why the fuck are they wasting time on this bullshit instead of putting in on Switch?MR already has poor performance. Putting it on PS4 is more realistic for now since it's stronger than Switch and has a big playerbase.
>>537532597>People like him are not here to discussWell too bad we spent all of this time discussing then. I retract my prior statements and am no longer interested in discussion. (well, except the statement about tank healers being a bad thing because they are)
>>537532443Goodness. Can you imagine getting a Switchshitter in your game who's playing on these thumbsticks? And on that tiny screen too.I hope they DON'T release it on Switch.
>>537531348>More like “Gun”. That’s technically more accurate to his character all things considered kek
>>537520920must be rabies take him out and put a bullet in his head>>537521228what white women do to every dog
>>537532597he's right thoughnoskill trannies just want healer vanguards cause they can't get out of bronze
>>537532467>ruin her design>emma skyrocketed to be one of the more popular female characters in the game and on porn sites
>>537532740Because that’s more of a defense thing and her psychic abilities take priority over it.
MR should have been on UE4 (like Stellar Blade), not UE5I have rock solid 120 fps tho, no perf issues
>>537532467*improve her design in the processFTFY
>>537532998Yes, coomers have zero standards, we know this. Doesn’t change that her original design is better.
>>537532594>I am better at design than this studio with multiple working people who have not, in fact, implemented my vanguard strategist tankI told you from the get-go that I acknowledge your idea. I just disagree with it for multiple reasons and see no value in it.
>>537532997>noskill trannies just want healer vanguardsNever even implied. But nice try. Do you even know how the conversation started? Clearly not.If you want to be added to the retard ignore list, feel free to respond with a retarded post.
>>537533197just play more kiddo, you'll get out of bronze eventually
>>537533184Her original design is as generic as they come. Generic blond bimbo in white stripper clothes.
>>537532594Don’t we already have a healing tank? Cap had an entire support ult already, which you’d think be the main talking point. I don’t mind a healing tank, depending on how it is done, as long as the design encourages you to play aggressively.
I like both Emmasonly a homo would dislike any version of a sexy blondeblondes = mans kryptonite
>>537532710>The fuck is the Brig incidentYour mom on my cock
>>537532783Yeah. I mean it's barely even relevant when there's literally a kissing emoji of them in the game, along with literally every single highlight intro they have showing them dancing together or Cloak putting his arm around her or whatever.
>>537532443>Why the fuck are they wasting time on this bullshit instead of putting in on Switch?They can't right now because they don't even have dev kits yet. Nintendo is going full retard by excluding certain publishers from receiving dev kits and tell them to still develop for the Switch 1. I wouldn't expect a NS2 port until maybe 2028 or 2029 at this point if Nintendo is still being stingy with them.
>>537533516How is that a healing tank? He just has a temporary support ult. It's not like a main or cooldown skill, which is what that anon is actually requesting.
>>537533516Yes, and he just glossed over it with something about "hurr durr well it's his ult so it's fine"It's obvious he's just pretending to be retarded
>>537533701I bring up cap as having a support ult way more impactful and game changing than any burst/low heals you can give to a tank. It is basically the logical extreme
>>537533713>can't even differentiate between an ults and a primary skill>self-glazes earlier that he's a brain surgeonLmao brain surgery in particular is one area you'd be especially bad with, knowing how details completely go past you.
They should add a support that is a hybrid tank and anti dive, maybe give them a smaller shield and some aoe healingThat would fix the game
I think it's weird when flying characters have no quick way to descend.
>>537533535epic brown post
>>537533516There is absolutely nothing wrong with a tank with some form of heal.This shitshow even started with the idea of Sentry having some for of heal or such, since he'es been known to heal or even resurrect others.A heal is just another way for a tank to briefly protect their team. A healer has sustained healing, a vanguard does not. That's the difference.Oh and for the lurking schizo, don't bother typing up a reply, because I won't feed your mental illness.
>>537527938What? Post replay?
>>537533925Are you aware that you're replying to like 4 different people, moron?
>>537533713He ignored everything that didn't fit his narrative and at the end of the day if he can't disprove it he will just call it shit design as if he is the arbiter of what is good design or not, when he doesn't even know what EHP is.He's a joke, just ignore him.
>>537532310>imageGoddamn 2020 was such a crazy time
>>537530881They've made it pretty clear they hate Vanguards.
>>537533921Ults are supposed to be impactful, and his makes sense as something that supports the entire team, rather than a selfish ult, like, say, Wolverine's.But he does not have sustained healing as a primary or secondary ability. And that's what the entire argument is about. Whether there should be vanguards who can effectively double as strategists.
>>537532273Don't Groot walls heal?
>>537534216>But he does not have sustained healing as a primary or secondary ability. And that's what the entire argument is about.No it's not. It was never about a vanguard having a spammable heal.
>>537533943Last thing flying characters need is more mobility.
>>537534283The mantis groots wall team up heals team mates, correct.
>>537532467Rivals Emma is the better design and I say that as (unfortunately) an x-men fag
>>5375342831 wall with mantis teamup.
>>537534092People is putting it lightly. 3 MIT professors and a neurosurgeon with a degree in marine biology. In fact, I apologize for polluting your superior brain waves with my ridiculous idea that characters should be designed in accordance to their classes.
>>537530881the melty would be legendary
>>537531428He probably looked up a video on YouTube telling him what to play every season and did nothing else for 100+ hours. I hate these subhumans.
>>537534450>should be designed in accordance to their classes.Such as duelists being able to shield and heal others.
>>537534283Yup. Kind of a shitty idea of a team up, but it IS with a healer so I can look past it even if it's poor design. >>537534323Spammable heal on a vanguard would be preposterous, but even as an "E" skill on a cooldown, it's doesn't really fit desu. Replace it with a shield.t. degree in "good game choices" from Oxford
>>537534450>>537519493
>>537534642>t's doesn't really fitWrong and yet to be disproven.
>>537534561>Such as duelists being able to shieldIt's fair to give duelists evades or parries. Nothing game or logic breaking about Blade blocking some damage with his sword or Wolverine dashing away.>and heal othersThey're not strategists so they should not be able to consistently apply healing to others. Bruce Lee has such an ability in the game, but they need to make team ups viable and I guess they couldn't come up with anything better. Keep in mind that the game isn't free of bad decisions.
marvel superheroes for this feel?
>>537534727Why do you want an Adam Warlock tank? Is it to aid you as a crutch of some sort, an aesthetic thing that tickles your fancy, or something else? I'm curious.
>>537534961>fair to allow duelists to heal and shield themselves and others>why?>why doesn't this break this 'role' >i won't say, i'll just say that it is, even though the point of the role is to kill>They're not strategists so they should not be able to consistently apply healing to others>but this of course doesn't apply to vanguard, only duelists are allowed to do this
>>537534210Vanguards are a must-have on your team if you want to win though. And very viable.
>>537535143Don't answer a question with a fallacy no one even implied. If you have to constantly pull stuff from your ass and lie, it means you have nothing. If you constantly deflect away from having to back stuff up you say, it means you have nothing.
Stop replying to the attentionwhoring schizo unless you want him to keep shitting up the thread for another +200 posts.
>>537535196>>but this of course doesn't apply to vanguard, only duelists are allowed to do thisDuelists are clearly not allowed to do this. Neither are vanguards. That's good game design.
>>537535112There aren’t any. Too feminine for Marble sadly.
>>537535340What do you want then? Could you actually explain? You're cryptic about the idea to the point where there's a suggested shame to go with it. Almost as if you yourself don't feel confident about the idea.Because if all you want is "healer tanks" by any stretch of the definition, Captain America already exists.
>>537535554>Iron Fist can't heal himself
>>537535554>Duelists are clearly not allowed to do thisReed gives himself and others bonus health.Blade has Lifesteal.Phoenix heals herself just by attacking.Iron Fist can heal himself and others for massive amounts of health and bonus health.
>>537535624she looks bad thoIRL that face would give you nightmares
So just so I have this straight, this aversion to tanks having healing is because of Overwatch having it years ago and that caused everyone’s anuses to collapse in on themselves?
>>537535798>himselfThank God for good game design. A shame they extended the healing aura to others too, but it's a team up ability and they have to make him viable so I can't blame them too much. Could they have come up with something better? Probably.>>537535838I'm not talking about self-heal. Stop acting like you're 5 years old and don't get what I'm saying. At this point you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm saying DPS and vanguards shouldn't be subsite strategists, it's super simple and not that shocking of a statement.
>>537535864>the stylized character from a heavily stylized game would not translate well irlshocker
>>537535971no it's literally just one dimwit who started out as arguing seriously, but later transitioned to the "pretending to be retarded" shtick because he ran out of arguments but is too much of a child to admit he's wrong.
>>537535971It's hard to get a straight answer when you can't share your own idea in a simple, straightforward and concise matter, let alone with sound arguments.When I actually suggest the idea of healer vanguards, anon, perhaps possessed by his Down Syndrome, suddenly backtracks and says "well no, actually I totes DO NOT want that". Meaning we're on the same page. But he continues arguing. Fascinating.
>>537536084NTA, but do you not consider Ultron a DPS healer?
>>537534436I'm not against big Emma, but I really dislike her having blue in her outfit and those fucking wrestler boots >>537533053
>>537536185This. That anon? The guy who said there should be strategist tanks. (because he had shitty tanks in his lobby and continues dying cause he sucks at the game on top of it)
>>537536370His damage is good but he can't out-dps a dps. Strategists need SOME survivability too, at the end of the day. This idea of giving random characters undeserved heeling abilities actually does fit a DPS more than a tank (since they have less survivability than a tank), but I digress.
>>537535864She looks like Diamond Foxx
>>537536635healing*
>>537535971>So just so I have this straight, this aversion to tanks having healing is because of OverwatchNo, it's a SINGLE anon that has simply decided it's "bad design" without elaborating on why and saying anyone that disagrees with him is wrong. Yes, he's just a retard.
>>537535971Yes. That's the reason for most complaints about this game. It suffers from the 'Simpson Did It' fallacy most adult cartoons also suffer from. One thing got so popular and went on for so long that it did everything there is to do at least once. Someone else comes along and tries to put a new spin on it and they get backlash because it's already been tried and failed before. This argument almost always and usually deliberately refuses to acknowledge the fact that the 'Simpsons' which is Overwatch in this instance failed the thing because the creators ran out of steam long before it was attempted. Fresh, new and young creators that watched the Simpsons have a different perspective and know how to avoid the pitfalls the lead to failure. The problem is that with so much backlash and pressure, they struggle to perform under those conditions.
>>537536921And yet you said you don't want a tank Adam Warlock. Strange.
>>537536635>tanks job is to be survivable and protect his team>it fits dps way more to have survivability skills and being able to heal and shield others????????????????????????
>>537536934I get the analogy but it isn't really appropriate here because we're not talking about script writing and jokes, but gameplay mechanics.Overwatch is Overwatch, and Rivals is different. What might work in Overwatch (if it even did) will not necessarily work in Rivals. I find the idea of strategist vanguards stupid.
>>537537169>>it fits dps way more to have survivability skills and being able to heal and shield othersIt fits neither. And this is the core of my argument, which people conveniently ignore, even though the fucking game itself agrees with me too. Tanks have more survivability than DPS, as they should. But this doesn't mean DPS should die from a fucking sneeze either. Skill should be awarded, and that includes the skill to survive as a DPS and keep on amassing kills, hence the DPS having various evasion and survival tools. On a semi-related note, why is it that conversations with brain surgeons channel the energy of talking to a 5 year old, where you have to explain everything as you would to a child, and them still not getting it?
>>537536921I agree with him but I think he misunderstood what people want, which is healing instead of a shield you can give your team mates
>>537537598>It fits neither. And this is the core of my argumentYet it's in the game. If you claim the game is wrong and everyone else is wrong, you by default claim only you understand and is correct, which is the height of delusion. Especially when you are incapable of backing any of it up and ignore 99% of what everyone else says. Just like you will do with this post.This is beyond trolling, this is you inciting flamewars which is breaking global rules.
>>537536459>wrestler bootsKek I never thought of this, but very accurate descriptor. Though, I wouldn't mind being put in a boston crab by Emma. She already does chokeslams anyways.
>>537537786The anon with the strategist-vanguard hybrid idea spent NO effort whatsoever to actually explain what the fuck he wants. From his basic outline, it seems like he wants an Adam Warlock tank. Which is retarded and I called it out as such, after which he started bitching and crying. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes I guess.>>537537862>Yet it's in the gameNope. You've got get out of jail free cards (ala Iron Fist healing himself, ala Moon Knight grapple hook, etc) but you don't have DPS or Vanguards who provide healing as a strategist. You have yet to explain what you even want to be implemented, yet claim I am the troll, when I have been more than generous in addressing all of your points in meticulous fashion.
>>537536635>His damage is good but he can't out-dps a dps.Already proven wrong multiple times.
>>537535838>Phoenix heals herself just by attacking.She probably has the most balanced healing out of the Duelists. It takes a while for it to kick in.
>>537538510Anon, Widow can 2 tap (often 1 tap) a hero. Get outta here.He gets out dps'd by any dps. And this isn't even relevant to the debate of whether or not there should be vanguards with healing abilities. I think this is a job for strategists and tanks should focus on creating space, pushing the vehicle, taking the objective and front lining the assault. Nothing remotely controversial or schizo about this idea, it is how it's always been.
>>537538721Retard anon, what do you think DPS stands for? Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>537538828>completely shifts the topic to save faceYou've been a complete waste of my time, not the other way around. Keep that in mind.
>>537537786>I agree with him but I think he misunderstood what people want, which is healing instead of a shield you can give your team matesThe entire point, which he is entirely wrong about, is that vanguard can and eventually should have some form of healing ot help differentiate themselves and get a niche, while also aligning with the hero in questions actual powers.Having and extremist stance where a Vanguard having any kind of healing ability, regardless of the form, is 'bad design' is unadulterated stupidity. It's just a simplistic view of things only an idiot could have.It's not about ONLY healers can have a heal or ONLY tanks can have shields. It's about each hero fulfilling their role's job. How they do it doesn't matter.Tanks can mitigate damage for their team in different ways. One can hold up a barrier, one can create strong limited time shields, one could buidl a meter and they could choose to burn that meter to heal themselves or an ally.Having more nuance in roles means lineups can be more varied. This is a positive thing for a game.There is more to say about this, but he is so incredibly ignorant on the subject while also being so incredibly narrow-minded to the point of delusion he is not interested in anything but his own idea he has already decided is the correct one. Come hell or high water. People like him are delusional and don't even realize any of this. This is especially bad in online conversations because they can conveniently ignore what people say, pull stuff from their ass no one said and more.It's a neverending shitfest where the offender will blame everyone but himself.
>>537538828dps are more effective at killing faster, he's not wrong even if ultron has good base damageiron man is better if you're looking for good flying dps
>>537538910Concession accepted.
>>537538243>iron fist healing others and reed giving others bonus health is in line with dps
>>537539090He did not say out-kill. He said out-DPS. Out-***DPS***I also asked if he knew what DPS even means, which he's shown that he doesn't. Lol
>>537509236she cant do shit against fliers
>>537538992>How they do it doesn't matter.And that's where you're wrong. If you grant a vanguard the ability to consistently heal other characters, you have effectively turned him into a strategist. And to keep things fair, strategists should have low HP, not be tanky.>Tanks can mitigate damage for their team in different waysRight. But they do so by tanking that damage. Not shielding the entire fucking team in the process, and giving all of them free health. There is one such character and it's a fucking ultimate. An ultimate that still doesn't guarantee that health for you, as you have to put in effort on your part to actually get the health.For being so proud in how allegedly open minded you are, you've ignored all of what I've said myself and continue pushing this idea without even laying out a concise plan of how it would be implemented, until this post, where you've finally presented something of a skeleton, but still no clear vision.I'm all for variation in gameplay, but it should always suit the specific role of the character (i.e. dps, vanguard, strategist) while also making sense with their abilities. Unfortunately, the implementation of a healing option for allies BY a vanguard would simply sway them too far in the direction of a tanky strategist. Hence why I think the abilities the tanks have been given so far are well designed, and coincidentally, a room full of game designers agrees with my logic above yours.Again, to put it as simply as I can, Venom giving himself temporary health isn't the same as healing someone else, nor is Magneto putting someone in bubble the same as healing them. And these are good and balanced decisions.
>>537539108>Concede with me that there should be a character who does what every class does and doesn't have a total HP of 50 Yeah, not happening. Invest some time in practicing playing the game instead of wanting a free win button, anon.
>>537536459Yeah, if they just kept her original outfits with the new body type it wouldn’t be so bad. New getup is too much.
>>537539284But that's the main reason why you'd pick a DPS over a healer if you want kills. His damage per second doesn't fucking matter in a debate of whether you'd want a DPS or a healer to rack up kills. Objectively speaking, with a good Ultron you'll see 2 things, and this is backed up by data. He will have solid kills and solid healing, but his final damage won't be as high as that of a DPS, and his healing won't be as high as the resident Luna. This is factual and I've observed the best Ultron player in the game enough times to speak confidently on this. He's neither here nor there as a character.
How bad is qp today?Is ranked any better since all the school agers aren't going to be in that mode?
>>537536459The wrestler boots i can be OK with considering half her kit is giving you a chokeslam straight to hell
>>537540142Post rank
>>537536459X-Revolution is really good on that regard, it makes her new body still look like Emma despite being big and curvy
>>537540490>his final damage won't be as high as that of a DPSConsult >>537538510
>>537541261I'm in bronze, that's why I want a tank who can insta-heal 2 other characters, has a punisher ult for team wipe and gets an automatic SVP in the unlikely event that someone else miraculously gets MVP instead of me.
Imagine how steamy and sweaty her feet are
>>537541434Do you know how rare it is for a match to end and a healer to have the most damage dealt out of everyone? Even tanks have that more consistently. And you want them to be able to heal teammates. Have you no shame, man?
>>537539951>And that's where you're wrong.This statement alone proves you have no idea what game design is or how it relates to hero shooter design. It's the most important thing that matters. It's what core design pillars are all about. You obviously know and understand nothing about this, which is how you can say something that is factually wrong.So no point in talking to an ignoramus.
>>537541648Do you know how to read a graph? >>537538510
>still feeding replies to the attentionwhoring schizoHe's not here to discuss, he's here to shit up threads with bait.
>I'm in bronzeFirst actual honest statement you've posted in this thread
>>537541683The thing is that you've been way too cryptic about what sort of healing you want this hypothetical vanguard to implement, while being blindly confident in the idea that there should be such a vanguard, for the sake of "open mindedness".It's an open minded idea that Ronald McDonald be added to Marvel Rivals. Do you really want to see it though?>>537541758Anon, Ultron isn't doing a DPS' job better than them. I'm sorry but you've played with some trash DPS on your team if that's the case. He's excellent as a strategist who can rank up kills, but he's not carry potential like some DPS can be.
>one retard throws a shitfit about vanguards being able to heal, no matter how low and infrequentOk? Who cares what some idiot thinks.
>>537542246God I wish there was a vanguard with a self heal button
>>537542246NetEase apparently, since they've yet to implement such a thing and actually care about characters fitting into their classes?
>Ultron isn't doing a DPS' job better than themNot in this bronzie's hands hes not
>>537541506custom made by forge or the phoenix itself, I think she's ok in there
>>537542378But that would be fair and balanced. I want a strategist vanguard because I suck at the game and want to effortlessly carry my team to victory.
I need a character that fits a terrorist playstyle
>>537542394>NetEase apparently, since they've yet to implement such a thingIf you think for even a second they are opposed to the idea of a Vanguard with heals when they have been throwing it out like candy left and right I've got some bad news for you.In fact, screencap your post now and look at it once it happens. That should deflate your ego a bit. No game has this aversion and MR won't be it either.
>>537542246he's right thohealing is for strategists
>>537542560>I want a strategist vanguard because I suck at the gameNo matter how many times you repeat this fallacy it will never be valid or align with what anyone ITT even implied. When you have to lie to make your case sound better, you admit to yourself you lost.
>>537542580wolverine, mk or chink-fist
>>537542594What is more likely to happen is that your ego will be deflated once you don't get that Adam Warlock tank you're shilling so hard that won't carry you to an easy victory. Oh, and great going for the open mindedness there, your "open minded" idea being that Rivals mimic every other game.You're seething precisely because you're not open minded. You want Rivals to copy Overwatch in everything.
>>537498291>enemy team has two tanks>they get instahealed if I dare deal damage to them>meanwhile im sitting behind the cart for heals because my supports are too busy playing pseudo dpsim beginning to realize whichever team rolls the worse support players will lose
>>537542771>When you have to lie to make your case sound betterYou mean like you did, multiple times ITT? That happens to be the first factual statement you've made so far though, I respect the sentiment cause it's true.What I simply said is that there shouldn't be a vanguard who has a cooldown ability that can consistently heal their teammates. I stand by it.
>>537542751>healing is for strategistsNo, sustained healing is.Vanguards can already heal themselves.Duelists can already heal themselves.Reed can shield allies.Groot and Iron Fist can heal allies.If your idea of the roles is>strategists are the only ones allowed to heal>duelists are the only ones allowed to do damage>vanguards are only allowed to have big healthbars and self shieldsThen your argument, wether you realize it or not, is that effectively >strategist should not be able to attack>duelists are the only ones able to attack>vanguards is not allowed to attackOtherwise you're going against the job of the Duelist, since it's their job to deal damage and kill and allowing strategists and vanguards to do it would be stepping on the same toes as a non-strategist healing (which is already a thing).
everytime i smurf the luna players think they're supposed to swap the flake around as if they're actually pro players when in reality the meta is keeping it in place on an off angler and they refuse to listen
mutant-except-not-really women owe me sex
>>537543148>You mean like you did, multiple times ITT?About what? You have a monopoly on lies. You keep sticking to this very moment to this "adam warlock tank" things no one even implied or said. What do you call that if not lies?>What I simply said is that there shouldn't be a vanguard who has a cooldown ability that can consistently heal their teammatesCool, that's your wrong and ignorant opinion which you haven't been able to back up.
How do you get out Bronze though? Every match has disconnections, people that throw immediately and braindead healers.
>>537543203>No, sustained healing is.NTA but yes, that is the core of my argument and the closest we'll get to agreeing. The fact that you want burst healing ala Venom but for allies, is also something I disagree with, that should be a healer's ability (looking at you, Adam and Ultron) but if you're so autistically deadset on it, so be it. I said earlier that it boils down to personal preference. You're ""open minded"" so you want Rivals to copy other games. That's fine. Let's just say I have better design sense and that's about it.
>>537543432Emma Frost is for pumps and dumps.Squirrel Girl is for having sex in the missionary position and having 20 kids after getting married.
>>537543548>NTA but yes, that is the core of my argumentAnd absolutely no one said Vanguards should be able to provide sustained healing. No one. That's another lie you kept pulling from your ass to salvage your non-existant arguments.
>>537543472>You keep sticking to this very moment to this "adam warlock tank" thingWhat else do you want, if not that? Because the only time you came even close to voicing what you want, which I already said that I'm interested in (because I am open minded, unlike yourself), is something to that effect. You want Magneto's bubble but it.. le heals. Is that it? Could you articulate what you want?
>>537543529I either played Thor or a healer and just carried/propped up the person who was carrying. 99% of the time as a healer in low ranks you can just identify the guy on your team who's least retarded and just keep them healed up and they'll likely win you the game. Hell you can carry yourself on healer if you have to.
>>537543529Genuine answer, play psylocke and learn health pack locations. If you're the best player in the lobby you can win a 5v6 or a 1 healer 1 tank game with her. You don't need to commit or even stay on dps long term if it's not your preffered role, she's just the best for quickly climbing out of ranks if you really are the best player in the lobby.
>>537543529Hulk is your best bet for tanks, reason being he is a disrupter, with dmg mitigation, a second life with the best stun in the entire game. That’s without even mentioning how busted gamma squids is in shitlow. Dps depends on your mechanics. Heals is probably Loki
>>537543703I'm not so sure about that >>537466801Whatever the case may be, I trust in the designers, perhaps against my better judgement, that they will find ways to implement various future characters in a way that is both different and unique but also makes sense for their class. It's not that I'm against tanks or healers. I'm against the idea of combining both to the point where they have no identity of their own. That's it.
>>537543979>psyPsy kinda takes way too much mechanics, awareness and just plain skill to climb out of bronze if you’re not already good at the game to begin with. I don’t think she is the best choice
>playing against a tank that can randomly burst heal their dps/healers like adam warlocksounds cancer ngl
>>537543529Pick a character you're good at and keep practicing. You'll eventually team up with other players who aren't dogshit and you'll win enough games to rank up.If you have to stick to a specific meta or play someone you're not interested in, don't bother.
>>537544169I've noticed this. The Hulk and Namor combo is usually what makes people throw almost instantly. It's very oppressive. Throw in a Black Panther just constantly sweeping back and forth and no one can leave spawn at all.
>>537544504I mean they'll probably implement something like that eventually with Thanos or Apocalypse or whatever, but it should be a strategists' alternate ability, imo.I know other games have done it but why copy other games when the roles in Rivals are more distinguished in comparison?The shield Mag and especially Hulk gives out seems more fair as an alternative, especially the latter cause it shields multiple people. I don't know what more you could want from a Vanguard without making them too OP.
what if thanks randomly snapped half of his own team? wouldn't that be cool?
why do so many people bitch and moan about divers and black panther? hes just a team checkyou should shit on your fucking team for being competent retards before blaming the guy whos living in the backline rentfreeI've seen this scenario way too many times, if a duelist gets to live in the backline then its YOUR teammates fault for not taking precautions to deal with it.Jesus.
>>537544867They should take DoT without being able to be healed instead of just instantly dying.
>>537545292incompetent
>>537545292I will disconnect or throw if black panther is on the other team and you cannot stop me.
>>537544518As oppressive as it is, it's not a guaranteed win.t. had that scenario yesterday and our team still got steamrolled despite some decent kills
>>537545292Having a character that can instant kill in half a frame is not good game design. Especially not from the same devs that refuse to allow the sniper character to one-shot with headshots because 'it's not fun'. It's downright hypocritical and retarded.
Rivals players are so fucking bad at trash talk and flame>ur fat!I weight 160 lbs, call me a stick or something. Get it right>heh nice ult!>ummm... hah u play magneto!!>U MISSED!!! LOL!!!And it's always DPS players. Insolent children
>>537544867Idea for a tank: The Thing but he has Namor's octopuses as cancerous growths on his back, and they automatically detect and shoot any Black Panther or Spider-Man in the vicinity. Bonus points if you give him Ultron's C heal beam, that can also dish out damage.
>>537545770and here you are, not upset, posting about it in this thread
>>537545770Shitty insults are funnier than those that are on the mark or too personal. It's just a game, no need to take it to that level.
>>537545292The game probably shouldn't revolve around which team has the better BP/has a team that can deal with BP.
>>537545625are you retarded? can you imagine how shit teh game would be if snipers could one shot in a hero shooter? it would stall the gameplay and turn everything into call of dutyhawkeye's already a cancerous faggot built for bitch made niggers who lack game sense.
>>537546035If you have so much game sense, why don't you just not run around out in the open where you can get sniped? Maybe use cover or something?
>>537545292no amount of cope is gonna stop him from getting gutted man
>>537546035I'm not really a Hawkeye fan but I don't see his kit as unfair. He requires good aim and rewards it. If you're a shit Hawkeye you'll get rolled easily, especially by a Panther. >>537545625They should reduce his base health, imo.
>>537546137I do. But that doesn't stop teammates from running straight and dying, the last thing the game needs are more heroes who can one shot from a mile away.Poke is garbage, and desperately needs a nerf because ultimately its the strongest meta in the game right now even if you dont want to believe it.
>>537545770Calm down dude it’s not that serious
>>537545824Idea for a DPS: it's Punisher's turret, but mobile, and has CnD's invisibility gimmick but can use it longer. I'd roll the enemy team each time.
>>537545292BP gets complaints because he isn't fun to play against. I play IW and he's never a problem in a vacuum but it requires my full attention to deal with him. Having an ally support to help handle him doesn't mean I can just not give him my full attention either. He forces a playstyle out of me which in turn means I can't help my team at the same time. It's fine on my end because I'll just go Ultron to still get maxium value but for every other support player that doesn't flex into his 2 counters he's annoying and fighting is an uphill battle.
>>537546487When they inevitably add Deadpool, he'll probably have Magik's teleportation ability but he'll be a ranged character.
>>537545824Sounds like Hive
>>537506187>At the same token, could I counter BP with MK YesHow?
>>537546424The strongest meta in this game is and always will be teamwork. If you can't do that and keep the mentality that you or any specific player has to do everything by themselves, you will never win. Stick together and poke characters become useless.
>>537544518Yeah exactly. Funny enough, this is seen clearly in the winrates of those ranks.
>>537546898>hear BP is near or get hit once>throw ankh at my feet>throw blades>profitHe's harder to counter with other duelists or especially strategists. Managed to kill one a few times as CnD yesterday and the player started bitching at me in another language, fun times.
BW should play like railgunner from ror2
>>537547113She's fine as is, she's great against the zesty panther menace and cucker-man. People need to stop playing her as a long range sniper constantly scoped in.
>>537546913True. But arguably even above team work, it's what your team picks and having a good comp. I'm still on the fence of whether Rivals needs a role queue or not, but 2 x 2 x 2 seems to be the best comp. Maybe triple support sometimes, but that meta isn't as good nowadays.
>>537546668as opposed to luna and cloak&fagger who get to stall fights for 10 - 15 seconds at a time?I dont know you're really not doing a good job convincing me of anything, if black panther was removed from the game it would still not be fun to play.bp's no different from spiderman, magik or psylockelike i said, if you're losing to one diver in your backline then you were probably going to lose to any of them.
>>537547239how to play her then?
>>537547409>bp's no different from spiderman, magik or psylockeBut he is
>>537545602I have turned the tides on my shitty DPS alt, by switching to hulk and just terrorize the enemy team in shitlow, even though by all means my team should’ve lost it.
>>537547113i really think they should just give her a pistol and make her ult an awp with like 3-4 shots
>>537547464NTA but if you find good locations with clear visibility on your targets that don't immediately give out your position, that's a good start. You will have to change them periodically, but you have good mobility with her, and good defensive options if people get in melee range.My team got btfo'd by a Widow yesterday. I checked their history and it was of course a smurf, but they still made her viable. The reason people don't pick Widow often is because she requires more skill than other duelists while offering mostly the same kill potential.
>>537491460reveals all enemies on the map/heightened abilities. Sort of like a transformation ultplaystyle wise he would just be diet Spider-man unless they do something really out there. I cant see that in support
>>537547639They should give her swing, like spidey, and give her a 60 meter 300 dmg headshot, but with fall fairly steep fall off that ends up being 180. Add in a grenade too for max fun
So season 4 reveal tomorrow?
>>537547315Triple support is more like 2 supports and 1 DPS that can heal sometimes but spends most of their time farming assists. That's pretty much what Adam, Ultron and Jeff to an extent have been relegated to at this point and no one has a problem with. That's why I don't see why this thread is getting so mad over the idea of a tank that can also heal a little bit. It would basically the same thing.
>>537547565Namor is my main duelist and I've held a 5 v 6 game with him alone, without the Hulk team up. But a good DPS alone won't carry is what I mean, we still got beat. The only absolute must is a good healer. It really makes a difference and you get rolled otherwise.
>>537548042>Angela confirmed a bow and arrow tank with a shieldWould you get mad at seeing that?
>>537547409Giga heal ults don't force me into one type of specific playstyle, they force one specific type of playstyle to be invalid. I have options on how to handle Luna ulting in any role that isn't support. BP not even in ult but every second he has uptime gives me nothing to do but play against him to the detriment of my team. You argue like a faggot because maybe a total of 40 seconds a match is wasted to healer ults compared to BP being a menace for the full duration.
>>537548210NTA but only if she's hitscan. Bow and arrow ain't Angela's thing though so it's not happening.
>>537545292He does nothing against tanks and any DPS can reasonably fight him. Its supportfags complaining because they cant hit their invulnerability button fast enough
>>537548006Revealing enemies is a fucking waste of an ult unless you were playing into like 3 divers.
>>537548023absolutely not
>>537548435He's pretty good against most DPS too. But yeah against Tanks he's a weakling.
>>537548435He is impossible to fight as Jean or Hela.
>>537548317Netease has made her a bow and arrow user before in a sister game.
>>537528985>tfw i was actually thinking of getting a PS5 to finally play Rivalsbeing a third worlder poorfag has it's benefits sometimes.
>>537548435>diver can't dive tanks so he's actually very reasonable when he insta kills squishiesThat makes so much sense. And since Luna can't 1v1 Emma it's fine that she has a game stalling ult.
>>537548654Then I guess it's possible, but I doubt the damage would be very high. Probably something like Peni's cannon.
>>537528985>Promo game>Healers are PS4 players
>>537528985There are some UE5 games on PS4 so I don't see why not. It won't look as good as on PS5 but w/e. I'm more curious whether they'd be able to port it to the Switch but that seems like a bigger challenge.
>>537548521Its good in general because so many people Ult into like an almost dead team or too late and shit, realistically that's the only support thing he can provide nothing else about this character leans support
>>537548654>>537549017given how different Emma is in that game, i wouldn't expect them to rehash it in rivals. giving her a bow as a tank instead of an axe would be retarded
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>>537545292Same reason as Spider-Man: mobility.
>>537532443>>537549385It's not coming for Switch. Would look and run like ass, too demanding. Your best bet is to get one of those handheld PCs. It might be playable on the Deck if you lower all possible settings.
>>537549605Yes Doom we see the fit, now get on the fucking roster.
>>537548280yeah because a healing ult is passive but that doesn't mean its not a problematic inconvienence to your team when the other team get to walk straight at you with near invincibility, but somehow the moment someone decides to screw with your backline and team flow it suddenly becomes unbalanced and unfair? right?
>>537548587land your stun or teleport away, Jean is just a more forgiving Hela
>>537549605I wonder when they're adding this nigga but he probably won't be out until they're nearing the end of the story which could be years from now
>>537549881They'll probably add him when they release Doomsday to coincide with the movie
>>537549881They have to set up Kang to replace him as the big bad.
Nerf Emma!
>>537549692If a game can run on base PS4 then it can run on Switch. Simple. No one is saying it should or expecting it to run well. It just has to run be playable even if that means 15 minute loading times. People that are still on previous gen at this point do not have very high standards.
>>537550417she's pretty busted but not impossible to deal with, esp. if you have fliers it's all about attacking her from side angles instead of head-on
>>537550475PS4 is more powerful than Switch. I know they've ported Doom, Mortal Kombat, etc, but this game is more demanding, despite the seemingly simplistic graphics. It would be a challenge to get it to run, and Nintendo and their devkit autism doesn't help either.
>>537549880>land your stun on the 2nd fastest moving character in the game while he drops out of the sky and insta kills youOkay I'll do that.
>>537548525It’d be fun. At least give her a bhop.
>>537549881He's the final boss in the PVE mode when they add it.
>>537550771>be good at the game I know that's hard for most to do but its possible
>>537550417They need to change her back to how she was last season. I don't know why they thought a minor range boost on her beam was enough to make up for all that they took away from her diamond form.
>>537548587>Helavalid>Jeanif 275hp, a way bigger stun that's hitscan, high firerate, freeform flight and a broken melee animation cancel isn't enough then the problem here is not bp
>>537549881guarantee hes basically done and sitting on a hard drive somewhere because marvel told them they have to sync his release with the fucking movie
>Bronze-Gold: BP needs to be nerfed he kills too easy>Plat-GM: BP is fine just stack>Celestial-OAA: BP needs to be nerfed he has two 5m explosions to place marks and a passive that makes fighting him more deadly along with bonus health so he can stay a bigger threat without being too much at risk.
>>537551071>top 500's/pros ban out BP>lul get guud hurr durrTake the bugmen dick out your mouth and show your rank
>>537551079>if 275hpI'm zero HP because he dropped down from a wall and killed me in one frame. Let's say I did see him first though. How do you suggest I stun an airborne target?
>>537549839ZERO REPLIES.
>>537549881You will wait, as I've patiently waited for this blind ass nigga since season 0
>>537551235It is kinda fucked that he gets a shield on ability use, a passive damage boost when he's low AND more HP than other assassins on top of it.
>Enemy team has Torch, Iron Man, Ultron>My jeff refuses to switch when asked>Jeff never ults a single timeahahha :) kill jeff players :)
>>537551235accurate
>>537551560>muh streamers do-I dont care faggot, you arent OOA and neither am I. 98% of the Black Penis players I'm fighting cant even ghost dash properly without going on cooldown, you're just bad
>>537551770>*steamrolls BP upon release*
>>537551591if you see him coming, you simply shoot him before he pounces because you're playing an overtuned poke characterif it's not enough damage to kill him outright and he lands the spear+dash, you then dash up/fly up in the air because he struggles against aerial targets very badly. also now that he's grounded, because he's doing the dash combo, your stun is a lot easier to land. he should be dead by this point because only a dumb bp would engage even after already being spotted and taking damage beforehand
>he struggles against aerial targets very badlyENOUGH from the console nigger. I want the opinion of someone who actually plays the game.
>>537551680Because the argument that an ult making 10 seconds of passive play versus BP instantly booting you to the death screen through out the whole match is retarded false equivalence.>screw with your backline and team flow it suddenly becomes unbalanced and unfair? right?Underplaying BP 1 second kill combos doesn't make you right.
>>537552142I guess if that happens it won't be totally inaccurate. I remember him walking circles around a Panther in the comics, but it could've been Shuri. An anti-dive dive hero already exists anyway, it's Venom. Cap too now that I think about it. Don't know how the rest of the dives deal with BP.
>>537551235its more like>shitters*aims at floor* he is impossible to shoot>boosted shittersjust pick him yourself and ignore your backline completely then type "healer diff" in allchat when you lose>good playershe is going to be broken when luna/loki gets nerfed, the ability to passively force defensive cds without committing anything by just throwing a spear and threatening a oneshot is retarded
>>537552025>muh streamers out of nowhere>wont post rankYeah that's what I thought shitter.
>>537552347dude, you have to have abysmally bad positioning to die to bp in the air. either that or your healers are just retarded which isn't out of the question
>practice spider-man vs computer>switches to namor or some annoying shit>doom match is full of kill-stealing tryhardsI now get the 5-9 Spideys in my quick matches a little more, but still.
>>537552403BP has a better winrate than Spider-Man and is more consistent. As to who wins in a 1v1, I'd assume a good Spider-Man player should be able to win in most cases but it's a toss up. Same situation with Iron Fist. He could win a 1v1 more times but BP is better to have on your team on average.
>>537552627who do you think the pros are dumbass >cant deal with BP >gets told how to deal with him and throws a tantrum only shitter here is you
>>537549605Fuck Doom 2099I want OG Doom
>>537552796Good. Learn the pain of being a 900000 HP tank and getting insta pulled off the map by a Spidey. I studied the squid because of you.
>>537552371>play healer>ping bp for help>patty cake heal>bp suddenly cant do anythingwow
>>537550417Buff every other vanguard to be at her level instead
>>537553008Picking off Spideys with Namor is relatively easy but doing it with Hela or Punisher is way more satisfying for how challenging it is. Widow even more so if you get a mid-air kill.
>>537550417>>537553240no that's stupid, this is why the game's balanced like shit. netease along with you retards need to stop thinkign the solution is to one up every hero with buffsthe games in desperate need of nerfs across the board
>>537553240That would result in week long matches
>muh patty cakeKeep letting your team die and getting upset when they call you a retarded tranny.
>>537553185>BP forcing an entire team to get 0 heals whether he kills the supports or not>this is finekys instead of typing this stupid shit.
>>537553240>buff every vanguard to be a CC menace that shits out damageNo.
>>537553627Make cap CC immune when holding shield should do the trick for him
>>537552849>Retard thinks streamers are pro MRC players>still wont post rankThanks for the laugh shitter KEK
>>537553715>buffing CapNo.
I still think the single worst buff ever applied to any character was making it so Captain BITCH can hold his shield in the air. There was no reason to give him that at all.
>>537472073I live there
>>537554072this u?>>537553998that kind of makes sense at least, jeff being able to hurt me with a stream of water as a demigod does not
>>537553576>dont peel>supports wont heal>woooooooowanon are you serious? unironically sounds a like a skill check
>>537553798How is me posting rank gonna make you less bad?
>>537553627Only vanguards should have CC
>Open game>Queue QP>Lock in the character I feel like playing for today>Repeat it a few times, win or lose>Turn off the game when I start to get boredIts gaming time
>>537545602It's pretty fucking close to one. There's a reason it's the second most used team up across the game and 1st used in grandmaster+. It's a HUGE amount of free value that any retard can create just by picking the correct characters.
>>537553576>BP forcing an entire team to get 0 heals whether he kills the supports or notWhat?Like every diver does this, its called stalling.
>ummmm actually when I one shot your supports with zero counterplay I'm actually stalling YOU GOT THAT?
>>537553576When a threat is a threat in order to force you to deal with said threat
>>537554304>1 BP now forces the whole team to focus on taking him out>still not a design flawI was gracious enough to let you get away with the stupid ping BP and get help as if he can't just delete a player before the ping even comes out. But since you made BP need to be 3v1 you're going to have to circle back to how a support player is supposed to be waiting to see and tell others about BP before he kills them.
The problem with BP is you can't body block him to protect your team and in fact that refreshes his shit
>still deflectingMetal shitters getting real uppity lately
>>537553240you cant, what makes her good is she can do everything basically a swiss army knife for tanks. Magneto too but people dont care about him for some reason
>>537555242>one shot
>>537554291Those are two separate things that you and him are talking about. Frank should be pulped instantly too but he’s gunning down the same gods with bullets.
>>537556019i know but him raising his shield mid air should be something he's able to do as a basic ability, whereas I find other reworks to be worse
>>537549605>>537552986Yeah this outfit for him is really fucking ugly>>537552403>I remember him walking circles around a Panther in the comics, but it could've been ShuriThere’s no one that hasn’t curbstomped BP at this point so that’s not surprising, although Matt is on the lower end so it’s kind of news
>>537555861Mag being boring as fuck and so straightforward definitely plays a part. His bullshit is indirect, and getting a mag on your team feels much better than playing against one feels bad. Polar opposite of bp funny enough
>>537550475>If a game can run on base PS4 then it can run on Switchnot how that works. pretty sure there are games that a PS4 can handle that would make a switch blow up
>>537555678Honestly, that gives me an idea for a "nerf"Make it so he only get refreshes if the first target he hits is markedThat way bodyblocking works and he becomes weaker against groups (unless everyone is already marked), but he will still be good in 1v1s
>>537550383>KangFuck no just bring in Thanos or Annihilus or something
>>537556208Hmmm yeah I guess but it’s not like bubble bullets were much better in terms of believability
>literally every diver magik being one of the most annoying (winrate proves this) can completely disrupt your backline if you allow it>get mad when they disrupt your backline when you allow itJust adapt and you win, if your team continues to ignore it then gg.
Kneel
>>537555903>this was actually two shots in less than 1 second so it's balanced
>>537557192>ERM THIS IS GOOD FOR THE GAME ACTUALLY!!!!
>>537557192That's not a one shot, he had to swipe twice. And the worst part is that adam is weak to melee so he's just feeding.
>>537557348Don't worry they added a purple fart cloud so when he attacks you mid animation you can turn around in time to see him as he kills you
>>537557192Crom laughs at your four winds
>>537557540Adam was trying to help his teammates. Not feeding.
>>537556683That makes too much sense
>could have won a match but a jeff started throwing and ruined it for everyone elseThis is why you got reworked jeff mains.
>>537512069True but there's plenty of characters you can add as tanks and not that many which you can use as supports. Lore wise, BP 2 shotting Adam Warlock will never happen either. Ultron is more durable than Emma Watson even in her diamond form but he works better as a strategist.
hit GM for the first time, the difficulty of going from D2 to D1 is insane, everyone in the lobby is peak celestial/eternityI don't even want to play the game anymore
>Teammate jeff ults our entire team>Suicides us all off a cliff>TwiceI hope you fucking hang yourself
>>537557925if adam wanted to help his teammates then he would stop playing adam.He should lock in a normal healer, heal his tanks from a distance and worry more about the incoming flanks than trying to deal damage and eating shit for it.He has no escapes, his only escape is his soul bond and 2 chain heals which he was too slow to proc.
>>537558530>abandon your character just cause BP existsNah, that's taking it too much.
>>537558659>play a character who's weak to melee>be mad when you die to meleedeserved.
>>537557192>Adam on controller Deserved
>>537558742I don't play him, just think it's stupid to abandon characters like that. BP could do that to just about every healer and a good BP will go after the backline even if they try to be far away.
>>537558967>>537558967>>537558967>>537558967new thread
for all of you console players, there's a 4060/i7-14650hx laptop (new) on ebay under $500 (in case one of you niggas want to upgrade)
>>537558492serves you right for trusting a sharkliterally the apex predator of the seas minus orcas
>>537559014>good BP will go after the backline even if they try to be far away.That's exactly where divers want them. Far away.
>>537558294Congrats on GM. This is my 2nd season I reached GM (1st was 2.5) but the climb was easier this time compared to S2.0/2.5 which was agony. I've been bouncing between D1/GM3 all season and pretty much playing for fun as receiving a crest means I don't have profusely tryhard anymore until next season.
>>537559194>>537558530>He should lock in a normal healer, heal his tanks from a distance and worry more about the incoming flanks than trying to deal damage
>>537559043I just bought it and plan on scrapping it :)
>>537560140yeah, PS5 deserves it
>>537558530Adam is fun.
Goddamit luna is OP as fuck. I get more kills with her than I do with adam and ultron on top of the healing what the fuck is this shit
>>537560140Kek based
>>537558225>True but there's plenty of characters you can add as tanks and not that many which you can use as supportsMaybe, but I value faithful character renditions over padding out a role’s numbers so it’s just a sacrifice that will have to be made. >but he works better as a strategist.I wouldn’t say that. They could have done way more with a vanguard Ultron.
>>537462432A couple of days ago was 2 times against the same spiderman. A complete retard who never switched but he winned both matches because the enemy team switched chars and carried him.In the second match I was Ultron and I had to switch because I had to fight a Torch, another Ultron and that useless Spider man all the time
>>537475559Lol, what happened tonight was a guy saying: " I'll pick the second support because I'm sure our healer is shit"Me, the other healer with Jeff:"I have 5 support lords"Him:"You know what? Since you said that I'll let you solo heal"Like I was I the one to talk shit about other team mates at the characters select.He picked Namor. He jobbed. He left the match before the second run.Ok.
