whoops I fucked it up
that's what I get for pasting it into obsidian
fug :DDD

>>538110810
https://aidungeon.com/rise
New update is out!
>3 new text models
>Deepseek v3.1 supports up to 128k context
>free users can use premium models, too.

You can try AI Dungeon here, no sign up required!
https://play.aidungeon.com/

>>538111708
You know they both donated heavily to Ukraine?

>>538111708
nah, I'm good

Prompts for this feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTIw5Sx_kAU

>>538121216
>Activate Windows
bruh

Ah jeez, war again? We are a war-like thread, I suppose.

>>538110932
Eh it's close enough. Could be a lot worse.

By the way, the Theme Friday page on the wiki is a couple of months behind.

>>538112647
In that case, I should give them a shot.

To the anon who only makes prompts about fucking the boy out of a gender bent girl. Does the mind change totally? Does the boy still kind of think like a boy in a girls body or does it also think like a girl now

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>>538153389
The setting features societal scale gender bending of 'weak' males, religiously enforced forced feminization and sex slavery. The victim does not just flip a switch and stop thinking like they did before, but succumbs to internal and external pressures to conform to feminine archetypes over time.

>>538155332
So it's just fucking a man until he acts girly, AKA standard femboy behavior

New Kimi verdict?

>>538160971
i don't think so. sounds like that anon changes the guy into a girl physically. then mentally

>>538166143
Haven't used it, but I imagine it's probably not going to beat out DeepSeek 3.1 on a price level and on a censorship level, I doubt this new version has less of a stick up its ass than the last one.

>>538168730
Transgenderism with magic

>>538173460
If it's magical and everything is 1:1, is there even an issue at that point?

>>538111708
Genuinely such a fucking shame. Imagine if we went from summer dragon to this with nothing in between. the world would be so different. fuck the mormons

I will never understand the cultlike devotion people pretend to have for a shitty undertrained model, which has been surpassed a million times since its initial release and subsequent death.

>>538195895
I just like the unspecified product/service you're big mad about, bruh, simple as. In fact, I'm gonna go boot it up and generate a dynamic story now in your honor, thanks for the inspiration :DDD

>>538197647
I still have the whinefag prompt around here

>>538145159
Ah, shit. I think I got sick pretty bad when the first theme month happened and completely forgot that that was a thing I was doing. I'll try and get it done in the next couple days.

>>538197647
Will you post it?

>>538195895
If you meant AID, it's only one faggot who shills it and shits up the thread. There is noting "cultlike" about it.

If you meant NAI, you can fuck off. Erato is better than whatever shit you are trying to shill.

>>538199180
>Will you post it?
you know they will not

>>538166143
Not worse than the previous.
Text completion Deepseek still #1 for me.

>>538166143
Too expensive. The old K2 at least has free version.

>>538214659
I haven't checked the prices yet but I'm using it and liking the results so far. How different are the prices from R1, let's say?

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Why do I like it when women I care for berate me?

>>538216071
Because it and gesugao are hot

>>538198516
Thank you for the work you do!

Ai Roguelite anons, tell me what you're playing right now.
I'm busy trying to impregnate a whole town.

>>538234649
Based, AIRL is uniquely well suited for mass impreg scenarios. I am doing a thing where I subdue and impregnate monstergirls, who then become my allies and help me find and subdue more monstergirls, ad infinium

The antagonist of your current story is replaced by Count Grey. What changes?

so uhhhh what ai roguelike mods are good because digging through the prompt structure is pretty uninspiring

>>538238394
I'd expect Kyros to show up pretty quick too

>>538237327
based

>>538215756
Comparing the cheapest FP8 provider on OR, R1 is $0.50/$2.18 compared to $0.60/$2.50 for the new Kimi, but compared to the new DS 3.1 that should have R1 functionality at $0.27/$1.00, it's a pretty drastic difference.

>>538234649
>>538237327
I've always found the default premium model pretty disappointing. What models are you using?

>>538240712
I saw some mods get posted here, try sleuthing the archive.

>>538256950
You are poor.
>>538215756
If you care about price, you should sub to NAI. $25/month for infinite gens of text and image models is the best in the market.
>>538258526
Just use Erato.

>>538258679
>If you care about price, you should sub to NAI. $25/month for infinite gens of text and image models is the best in the market.
While the image model is indeed very good, NAI's text completion is steaming garbage.

>>538258679
what the fuck is an erato? what ai lab made it? is it on openrouter?

>>538258794
>NAI's text completion is steaming garbage.
Get out.
>what the fuck is an erato? what ai lab made it? is it on openrouter?
...Are you fucking serious? You dare to ask what Erato is after you want to play with AI Dynamic Storytelling? You ask this in a NovelAI general?

Erato is a model from NovelAI. It's the best, the ONLY uncensored, and the ONLY model to be made for the sole purpose of storytelling.

Not for being a chatbot. Not for being your anime waifu bot. Erato is for writing a story with.

Go there https://novelai.net/stories
Sub to the Opus tier.
Use Erato and fix your ignorance.

Fucking newfag. This is why this place had turned to shit.

>>538259651
oh shit, no wonder this thread is so slow, I missclicked and got onto the wrong one.
I already have a NAI sub btw. Had been in this thread back when AI dungeon was a thing and NAI was new. Disappointment after disappointment in terms of textgen followed, and I looked for greener pastures. The only reason I have my sub still is because I can coom to the image gens.

Sorry, but when looking at all the available options, NAI textgen just sucks.

>>538259858
Ignore him, he's schizo.

Now he'll reply to himself and shit on NAI for the next 500 posts.

>>538259858
you're speaking to our resident nigger, no need to be polite to him

I loathe the fake false flag shilling angryanon does.

>>538110810
>https://files.catbox.moe/imakr4.png
hopefully they release a textgen update soon, Erato was a bit disappointing

>>538258526
The default premium model. Openrouter with Ai Roguelite eats credits like they're candy, even with the cheap models like deepseek v3
I didn't knew you guys were posting mods here. Share some please.
>Captcha: RPSSY

>>538276887
using it with sonnet 4 eated 3$ already lol. But it's the first model that doesn't just do purple prose word salad, with bouts of "suddenly X derails the story!"
GLM-4.5 doesn't work which is a shame, Kimi does but sucks due to the above. I wonder if the default prompts are just garbage.

>>538269186
Yeah, it's Krake all over again

>>538287345
Except unlike Krake, which popped out of nowhere, the new model they're working on, which they have spoken about multiple times within the past several months, has been in development, is currently training, and we know it will be a MoE model. Not that you care.

>>538287574
no retard
erato is krake all over again

Not entertaining your nonsense, whinemask #42.

Is angryfag really arguing that Krake, the model of which its base model was studiously watched by this very thread, the model of which was confirmed to happen by kurumuz multiple times before 20B base was even done training, popped out of nowhere?

>>538289805
no retard
>both opus exclusive
>both higher beaks
>both have their own positives and negatives but many people still use Kayra/Euterpe instead

>>538290080
That anon isn't talking about you, he's talking about "Krake, which popped out of nowhere" from that post.

>>538290220
my bad lol

>>538290220
Where can I watch the new model train? Your comparisons make no sense.

New model soon. I can feel it in the wind. in the grass. In the shift and flow of information.

>>538290371
Erato =~ Krake because they were both middling sidegrades to their predecessors locked to the highest tier.

So, as someone who's been lotusing on claude for years now, is there anything that will ever top it? Am I truly in the Lotus Casino forever?

>>538290890
You're still trying to force that hyperbolic apples to oranges comparison?

>>538291209
even claude is struggling to top claude, why do you think we're getting nothing but point releases now?

>>538291401
True. Do you have any idea what makes it so good? Is it just beakage- or should I say toucan-age? Is it some futuretech they figured out that nobody else knows?

>>538291483
DeepSeek is better than Claude, dude.

>>538291654
how does one deepseek?

>>538291807
Hop on OpenRouter or through the API.

>>538291483
not really, it's definitely a training thing
for everyone not name angryfag the biggest banes are basically ai agent specialization, the more the AI frontiers pivot to the concept the worst the biggest issues get
you can see it when OR get early snapshots of models, or even with gemini 2.5 previews, as they trained it more to improve coding and agent work, the model's other capabilities suffer for it

>>538291889
I'll give it a shot.

>>538291889
Forgot to ask, does it need jailbreaks for lewd stuff? I'd rather not poison context with that if I don't need it.

>>538292403
A preset from /aicg/ is good enough, you can edit and modify to fit your leisure. Personally, I like the thinking capabilities, because you can see how it follows your guidelines and can further edit them to refine the output as per your want, though that feature's optional. Definitely less of a hassle than Kimi.

>>538290830
is this true?

>>538293275
I dunno but it's been long enough

novelai will never be a good model
quit hating on massa dario just because you a slut bitch shill

>>538292791
>>538291654
Well deepseek does seem to do well- is there any reason why it would clamp down/stop being available? Dealing with Claude and being scared they'll censor it sucks.

>>538293670
V3.1, DeepSeek's latest version, is a downgrade for creative writing. Pretty sure they trained it on Gemini outputs too, given its default writing style now. >>538291910 is kinda right in that regard, they clearly wanted to make it better for coding first.

>>538293670
No risk unless the United States becomes a Westernized North Korea and bans foreign models from leveraging their inference on hosting sites based in the U.S., as OpenRouter is. Even then, the API would remain available, even if the website were banned, via a VPN.

>>538293978
That has not been my experience. The initial days had some funkiness to it, as does every model upon first being hosted on OpenRouter does, but it was a SillyTavern problem, not a model problem. Mind if I ask for proof of your assertions?

>>538294238
>>538293978
This is always the weirdest thing with Claude too, like people swear by Claude 3 when it was a direct upgrade. I was shitting myself when they announced Claude 3 was being depreciated, then I tried 4 and never looked back.

>>538294425
(as in, some from /aicg/ favor 3 over 4. Guess there's no accounting for taste but it was such a huge upgrade it's confusing.)

Kimi is the best model, you lolifags just don't know how to prompt forwyskity literature. My dick has never been so sore.

>forwyskity
Jarvis, analyze how drunk bro is.

>>538293670
DS is an open source release so multiple companies can provide it via sources like OpenRouter and the model cannot be taken away apart from shit like OR being nationalized or whatever.

>>538294425
Claude 4, to me, is more pozzed than 3, but prefills still work with fixing that. Not only that, but the Opus 4.1 update helped a lot with keeping Opus the best model for creative writing.

Opus is not the best model for anything, you legit mind broken fanboy.

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Ouch.

>>538295532
angy

This looks like fun for our localchad friends
An endless LLM written wiki
https://www.xda-developers.com/this-self-hosted-wikipedia-is-wrong-about-everything-and-its-hilarious/
https://github.com/XanderStrike/endless-wiki

>>538312284
Kinda reminds me websim making those fake websites based on your search and generated links you clicked.

don't you hate it when inanimate objects around you won't stop humming with latent purpose

>>538317905
Now that's an -ism I've actually never seen

>>538234649
I made my sweaty fat-assed Space Elf Slave Race into a scenario, where a human tries to escape from Etin Prime after taking on a sketchy contract for a vague office job.

I want to see how well AIRL does with massive lorebooks. If anyone wants to test, give me feedback.

https://files.catbox.moe/hoc1nv.json

>His gauntleted hand gestures dismissively. "Turn back, novice. Your kind die too quickly to be worth the paperwork."
it's outrageous bros, it's unfair
everyone keeps looking down on us bronze-rank adventurers

Sometimes you have to replay the classics (respect of a haughty elf princess)

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>originally intended to redo a 'fuck the boy out of a gender bent girl' prompt
>veer off into psychological torture about breeding her to produce a litter of big titty lactating money makers
>not even her sons will be spared

>>538327539
Even Sapphire Roguelite is just 6k of context man...

>>538337597
8k, but yeah, I'd pay $25/mo (as opposed to the current $15) for a 16k limit

>>538339625
That's humiliating. It has as small context as NAI but has none of NAI's smartness, good prose, and everything good.

>>538291910
it's pretty funny that models reach their peak intelligence in what ai tards call "pretraining" and then the "real training" is just trying to not give it too much brain damage while you rape it with chatshit and codeshit

>>538343034
I wish more companies would dedicate their training toward proper storytelling.

>>538342560
Not really. AIR's aggressive auto-summarization (and then auto-summarization of past auto-summarizations) let it stay coherent as a story much longer than you'd expect. Obviously I still want more context though

>>538343135
Unfortunately, that doesn't really make them all that much money. At least not big times money. The average person finds bits of code and a friendly persona to chat with more appealing than just writing text.

>>538344138
NovelAI will redeem itself, doomer.

>>538344208
Don't get me wrong, the niche exists, and I'm glad it does and I hope whatever they're cooking up is good for the time it's spending in the oven. But the average person would rather be told something or feel like they're having a conversation rather than be part of the writing process themselves. The vast majority of people aren't authors or writers, and that's just how it goes.

GrimageAI is spiritually hindu

Test.

>>538344902
>>538260359

Do not respond to me, angryanon.

>>538344967
grimacegen

>>538348598
Does this post mean
>I'm an angryanon, do not reply to me
Or
>to angryanon, do not reply to me

How do you guys deal with long as fuck contexts where important past happenings are no longer containable in context? I am speaking about 250k+ chat histories.

>>538352824
I know this is a bait, but anyway. You don't need more than 8k context. If it's important, you put it in lorebooks and/or write a summary of it. Now fuck off and stop shitting the thread with your concern trolling.

>>538353124
Get a life, whinefag.

>>538353124
What the fuck are you talking about you schizo? I don't want to lorebook every other thing, especially since I don't know if it's going to be important in the future. And I don't want to summarize things for much the same reason. 8k doesn't even fit complex prompts.

When NovelAI's new model arrives, Turk has already assured everyone it will have more than 8K context. Now quit it with the false flag shilling.

>>538353353
You are responding to a troll who swaps between fellating NAI and unduly criticizing it every other sentence.

>>538353450
That's him

>>538352824
summarize and start fresh

a lot of that context is sort of fake anyway, generally speaking

>>538353679
You think I should copypasta the entire chat history and tell a llm to summarize it, then start a new chat with that?

>>538354667
I think you should go to /aicg/ where you belong.

>>538354667
Hey, if it works

>>538353379
Will it have an automatic image generator attached?

>>538355437
For $50/day tier, yes.

>>538354667
if you're using sillytavern you can usually just (OOC: ) it but yeah

>>538352824
At some point, regardless of context, you just have to bring it back up as if it already happened. Your average reader is going to have forgotten the details of several plot points after a while, so you have to bring it back with some details to remind the reader anyway. Though that means you have to have an idea of future plot points in which past happenings matter to directly bring up.

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The people saying 'you don't need more than 8k context' are the same people who would say 'you don't need more than 8cm'

>>538359841
context and character gimmicks like futa are a crutch for people who can't write
basically seinfeld is the greatest piece of fiction ever written

>>538362158
how is futa a gimmick and how does it relate to writing quality

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>>538363376

had a pretty good session today

>>538372396
Will you share any crumbs with the class?

>>538359841
keep posting

Anyone else hate it when developers post tone-deaf shit and pretend like it's a joke, acting all surprised that people have the audacity to expect them to be truthful and not troll people?

>>538384049
True...

>>538384049
No? You sound like you hate fun.

>>538352824
>250k
Nobody remembers that shit in full resolution, and I say this as a career autist
Summarize it and condense all of the most important details
You're talking about over a novel's worth of "details"

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pftf?

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>>538384049
Depends on the situation.
If shits good devs can do and say dumb shit and it’s mildly amusing. If you have a on going dumpster fire you just sound like snarky retards.

Warhammer had this happen with “year of chaos”
>announce year of chaos event
>chaos will get special goodies this year guys stay tuned
>Skaven get a legitimately good refresh
>20 year old warriors of chaos sculpts put back in production which was bare minimum requirement to play them in their system
>chaos space marines get two new sculpts for their generic heroes
>the god aligned legions get one mode each
>chaos then loses several units and options
>some chaos factions now have less then a dozen units to themselves
>space marines get a 4th refresh wave of the edition
>and then another update
>and another
>chaos players get pissed at actually losing content while space marines with over 200 units get more
>community shills insist it’s fine because chaos is totally interchangeable despite not having rules for that while space marines that have those rules are unique special babies who need that support
>year of chaos is a gaslight by pissed chaos fans becomes a talking point to shills
>GW shits out article about how actually yes year of chaos is real and we don’t know what the fuck a year is. But if you count every system and release including non chaos ones we did a great job supporting chaos
>aren’t we just so funny and quirky?
>even more space marine updates came after this episode

>>538392359
>>538392882
idgi

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>>538395650
I don’t know which interpretation is the funniest.
>calling them a man child because they got the girl
>taking the misspelling at face value and using the term another man’s child like it’s some specific descriptor
>being ass mad that at literal kid beat you to the punch

>>538397236
Must've been hung

>>538397236
>the woman he loved had a child with another man

>>538392882
This isn't /pol/.

>>538402952
You just know a mediocre unfit nerd wrote this.

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So I've been working on a DnD module that features some homebrewing, and turned to Chat GPT to help organize and write portions of it. After spending weeks on a project without my dick in my hand, I started noticing patterns and repetitions not just with story elements (which I'm aware aren't GPT's strengths), but also with formatting and writing rules. When going back and re-reading the earlier sections of my homebrew, I could tell which sections I wrote, and which sections were AI Genned at a glance, and...

Bros...

I don't think I can use NAI anymore. I'm noticing the repetitions in everything, and now all Text Gen feels like shit. If it's too random, it can't follow the story to save its life. If it's too consistent, the prose and writing all blends together with every other story I've written. I think I'd be better off just writing my own smut, saving it until I forget the core story elements, then cooming to it a few months later.

This shit sucks, man. I've lost my favorite toy. I'm even starting to feel like Summer Dragon wasn't real after all, and it was just the newness of AI making the possibilities feel more unlimited. Life is a shit.

>>538404951
You will never be anyone's bro.

Does anyone actually plan to write for the theme event?

>>538406130
I do.

>>538406130
I mean, I'm gonna. Not sure what I'm gonna do for either just yet, but thankfully I have time for now.

>>538404951
Yeah sooner or later you start to notice the underlying patterns. That's why I prefer models that are a bit of mad poets, even if they lack consistency. New Kimi for instance is good in that regard.

>>538406130
Can I write an AI Roguelite preset?
I don't mean to force that game on everyone else but it's just what I'm using currently

>>538418390
I don’t think the theme has ever explicitly been for a specific format.
Only real issue is I don’t THINK it would upload to the club without some weird fuckery and your preset would probably eventually end up lost to time as a result.

>>538406130
people complained about "no prompt = no vote"
always the gatekept complaining about gatekeeping

>>538392359
Looking through this subreddit feels like I picked up a rock in the forest and I'm watching the bugs and worms crawl around

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>>538344902
If the company tries to compete with other conversational AI, they will lose because it's an incredibly competitive environment. Their opposition is a free auto-installed Microsoft Copilot app on windows, google's AI mode, Anthropic, OpenAI, and so on. NovelAI has a good niche that makes the AI output in ways nearly zero other companies can give.

If they should branch out into anything, it's another attempt at a text adventure mode. It requires more than just a finetuned model though.

>>538430373
>If they should branch out into anything, it's another attempt at a text adventure mode.
I would totally pair it with AIRL

>>538419793
>>538418390
It'd be pretty easy to copy-paste all the AIRL scenario data into the club's format really, since its all pretty much the same concepts. Except for locations and the status bar, ability shit etc.
But the world backstory, character info and lorebooks should translate okay.
I actually was thinking of writing a war prompt in AIRL myself anyways. I almost wanted to try making a mod that turned enemies and NPCs into groups, so that each battle was an actual skirmish between a group of soldiers. Hmmm. Probably not going to work completely. Probably would also get really weird with passive NPCs.

>>538433543
That's what I was getting at. You can't just make a model to "run a text adventure" for the same reason models think 9.11 is greater than 9.9. You would need something to understand the sentence's logical meaning (11 is less than 90) instead of only semantic meanings (when 1 and 9 appear together and are compared, 1 is less than 9)

>>538430373
They already harvested Saga's dev and are still working on AetherRoom, so they're going for a quadfecta.

When every output costs a penny it makes me sad. I yearn for a modest subscription fee that gives me 32000 context allows me unlimited rerolls.

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I dunno why I never really bothered messing around with vibes before

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>>538445813
To be fair they were messy and experimental as frigg in previous models to fully get the most out of them. Kind of fun wild-west shenanigans though.

>>538452412
I wanna fuck that dog

>>538452412
SNOOOT

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>>538445813
I really wish I could use them in Sillytavern and AIRL. I'm stuck copypasting a wildcard with 100 artist names because I can't get the API to encode it.

>>538465961
what vibe are you using for this? really like the style

>>538469813
Clean and Cut, from either the discord or the tag website, I forget which.

>>538470346
got it, thanks!