Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8614 - Unsung Star Edition==NEWS==>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Animationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocBa8jTXUA>TailsTube #13 - Pit Crewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiYfo0Wy2NA>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - CrossTalk 7 | Dr. Eggman, Zavok, & Zazzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX7MOcp_ZX4>Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayedhttps://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/==Comics Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 22 October 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 5 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #83 - 26 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://grabber.zone>Sonic The Hedgehog Onlinehttps://archiesoniconline.com/>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ OC info:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive/>/sthg/ cytube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgThread Thesis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20kw9Llsk0APrevious Zone: >>538167836
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relationship goals
What's next for these two?
>>538195818It was fucking shit. The pacing and themes were totally fucked. They did a shit job setting up the parallels between Sonic and his friends and the hero of the ancients and their squad. Instead of going with the memory loss subplot and having Sonic regain his memories of his friends as he saw the Hero and their squad's stories play out, they had the characters themselves dump the exposition on us, then they dumped all of ancients on a single island. Sonic's friends are freed and then *immediately* go back to Cyberspace. This should have been played up as them putting their faith in Sonic to change the outcome of the final battle as *different* from the Hero. Like the fact that Sonic's friends took on the cyber corruption so that Sonic can fight the end properly should have been the deciding factor and the climax. Instead they added an entire fucking Island after that. What the actual fuck where they thinking?
Reminder.Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 were built specifically for the Sega Dreamcast's SH4 CPU.Dreamcast goes all out on transparency and lighting, supports 8-bit destination alpha blending with 24-bit sourcing 32-bit z-buffer, Saturn and Dreamcast diffuse+specular lightning based on palette indices, Dreamcast used tile layered deferred rendering which supported order independent transparency. the Egg Carrier in Sky Chase appears to be rendered using the functions that ignore palette lighting, and thus it is using Ninja Lights set up in the SL file.Technically SA1 does have dynamic lighting effects, but you can't see them because they almost always get overridden with palette lighting. They were certainly meant to be in the game at some earlier point, though.Sonic Adventure 1 was highly downgraded in terms of lighting on on the GC. SA2 lacked a bunch of shadowing effects which used the DC's modifier volumes. SA2 DC abused the Dreamcast's volumetric fog features for some interesting effects, like security alarms (Iron Gate, Flying Dog, Egg Quarters) and approximated "rain waves" (White Jungle). These effects are gone in SA2B, replaced with full-screen overlays (Flying Dog, Egg Quarters) or with a rotating vertex light (Iron Gate)Sega changed SA1's palette based lighting to specular lighting in DX GC port and they barely even used it. SA2 CnkMultiDraw does support Vertex color + Lighting though used in EventsThe porting team likely ran into problems implementing palette lighting, so they figured it would be easier to just update everything that didn't work immediately after they were brought over to SADX. Even SA2B doesn't use specular in the same way the DC version uses it.That's what happens when the Dreamcast is the only system with hardware support for OIT lol
Who would win between these two?
Why did Maria kiss Shadow, and why did it make him feel funny to cuddle against her?
>>538197514
>>538197514Silver General
>>538197623Fuck off
Douge
>>538197514White the hog My favorite character of this cursed franchise
>>538196967>>538197184>>538197582Posting this here too just in case, but yeah normies were unironically hyping up frontiers among other character action games which is part of the delusion that Frontiers is good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSZkAwHkvjc [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OImh-gj26j4 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oushZ6Z17JA [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoydCh6iplw [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8_8y1pHfNA [Embed]Metal Gear Rising becoming a big meme a little before it's release might've saved Frontiers
Post your genuine criticisms of Ian Flynn's writing
>>538197918faggot general
>>538197514Silver the Redeemer
>>538198036But there's a character limit of 2000 on here
>>538198020>[Embed] [Embed]I'm a little retarded alright
>>538197873https://files.catbox.moe/s3iy06.jpg
>>538197623 "voice_son_introduce": "What you see is what you get. I'm just a hedgehog that loves adventure!", "voice_son_ghost_lose": "Shoot! Not my day.",Bravo FlynnBRAVO
>>538197883She did it because she's evil!
>>538197883>why did [HEADCANON]she is dead lol
>>538197623Ah, yes, arigatou!
>>538198078The only male here is Whispercel, so figures
>>538198428You can't disprove it.
Real!
>>538198423what were they smoking?!
>>538197763Nothing. Like Belle they'll be lucky to be seen in the background for a while.
>>538198761me when my buttcheek itches
>>538198036His references can feel too on the nose and his song lyric references were once cute, but have long since been played out.His pacing since late pre-reboot has been slippingI guess this isn't a matter of his writing so much as his views on the series, but he feels very stuck in his ways. The whole thing with Amy is that he feels that the dynamic between her and Sonic needs to be 'concluded'. I guess the best way of putting it is that he takes a comic writer's mentality to the franchise as a whole.His views on characters like Silver are off. His attempt at deconstructing Sonic and Eggman's feud ends up just running into the "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker" problem: By the very nature of the series, Sonic and Eggman won't change in any meaningful way.
>>538198761me when my balls itch
You didnt answer my question
>>538198861I've got an itch to scratch with her, if you catch what I'm drifting
>>538198336Why doesn't Ian rewrite Evan to be a better writer
>>538198646>amy dating classic sonicKino...
>>538199475Is Chris truly necessary
>>538194006>Replaced Sonic Adventure Re-Translated with a newer mod using an updated translation.Someone redpill me on this, I thought all these "retranslation" mods were just porting over the text by resident otaku windgod Windii. How badly do you have to fuck up that there needs to be ANOTHER hack?
>>538199424kek what the fuck is this trashsega never ceases to amaze me>>538199475then chris gets mad at him LOOOOL GET RAPED BY A PACK OF DINGOS
>>538199374Why do jpfags draw poophole as an X
>>538199579Chris is a great character
>>538199658ok Sonic should abandon Chris like the literal prick he is
>>538199579yes he is the one that convinces shadow to follow maria's wish
>>538199742daddy issues post
>>538199658shadowtards were suicidal about it so SEGA did good
>>538199858Sonic ain't gonna stay for Amy lol delusional
My pitch to fix Sonic Forces and complete the Tanabata Trio of Shadow/Maria and Silver/Blaze.SOLICITSONIC WARS: THE BATTLE AGAINST ROBOTNIKThe world belongs to Dr. Robotnik. For three months, his Empire has silenced the globe under an iron fist. Sonic the Hedgehog is MISSING.But hope is not lost. It's steadfast in rebellion as long as the wind blows free. Led by Miles "Tails" Prower, the Freedom Fighters' rookie is a lone survivor of the new world's horrors, the "Avatar." Can a terrified citizen find courage within to confront their nemesis?The architect of this nightmare is the commander Infinite, a masked enigma wielding the reality-bending Phantom Ruby. He commands an army of phantoms resurrected from Sonic's past.When a distress signal crosses the stars, a new player enters the war: Princess Sally Acorn arrives from Mobius, ready to repay a long-time friend for his aid many moons ago.Their first mission? The impossible. Sonic is discovered ALIVE by Sally Acorn's intelligence gathering, a prisoner on the Death Egg! It's up to the Avatar to stage a daring rescue alongside the princess of Planet Mobius and reignite the flame of hope.With Sonic free, the final battle begins! As Robotnik prepares to incinerate the Earth with an artificial sun, the heroes launch a desperate, three-pronged assault. Sally attacks the Death Egg's core, the Avatar confronts a vengeful Infinite, and in a final, stunning team-up, Sonic and Sally unite at last to shatter the Empire's ultimate weapon!Once the dust settles, the three heroes must part ways. The Avatar returning to their peaceful life, Sonic to his friends, and Sally to her home planet in a heart warming farewell and send-off to two fan favorite OCs.NOTE: Sally Acorn died on the way back to her home planet.Should I make a full script of this solicit, /vg/?
Sonic and Surge fuck. They make love so strongly that tears flow from their eyes from the raw, luxurious sensations. Their mutual super speeds make each thrust an act of ecstacy
>>538197514>/sthg/ #10000 Project Threadhttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru
>>538199991Hot, does Amy watches?
>>538199663Rebutall; this artist is Chinese. Also, it's because it doesn't need to be censored if it's an X
>>538199964>>538199754Sonic is a nigger confirmed
I like how there's peace treaty between Blazefags and Silverfags right now, not huge one but a small one where they don't bother each other aa lot.
>>538199987I like the idea but keeping Sally's spinball origin feels hamfisted for the sake of a reference
>>538199964loooool amy has daddy issues >>538199963don't diss Chadow it's not his fault Sonic is written like a gary stu
>>538200157It's not a reference. It's for the sake of justifying her inclusion while relying on JP manual and game canon.Otherwise it'd be archiefaggotry.
Sonic FMV Studios>1993 Sonic CDToei Animation (DBZ) / Studio Junio>1998 Sonic AdventureSega/Sonic Team>2001 Sonic Adventure 2Sega/Sonic Team>2003 Sonic HeroesVision Scape>2005 Shadow the HedgehogBlur (Cemre Ozkurt, Barret Meeker, Jeff Fowler)>2006 Sonic 06Blur (Cemre Ozkurt, Barret Meeker, Jeff Fowler)>2007 Sonic and the Secret Ringsanima inc./ SHIROGUMI INC.>2008 Sonic UnleashedMarza>2009 Sonic and the Black Knightanima inc./ SHIROGUMI INC.>2010 Sonic Colors Marza>2011 Sonic GenerationsMarza
>>538199991*me and surge fuck stop self inserting into CHADnic tranny Use Tails like the loser you are
>>538199987I am having resistanceshit fatigue.
>>538200264Tails x Surge doesn't really work
>>538200243Except she debuted in satam, not spinball or Archie
>>538200359Sorry! Archie came out first, end of story.
>>538200145Speak for yourself. Blaze was permanently ruined by Silvaze and you'll never beat the fraud allegations.
>>538200445No it didn't
>>538200445I am Ian, and I confirm this is true
I want Shitdow
>>538200445Even so, Sally was created for Satam and adapted from the misnamed Ricky.Spinball's Japanese description sounds like someone misinterpreted what the hell Mobius is supposed to be and assumed it's an alien planet. But that's just conjecture.
Blaze should get her own Shadow. A female cat who contrasts her.
>>538200776or, we can leave her in the sol dimension and move on with our lives
>>538200470but rush adventure came after 06 if something the purple cat took a spot that would be great for someone to be part of silver's cast.
>>538199987Violet underestimates the sheer incendiary intensity for which most other windfags hate Sonally. This would not go over well.That said, I like this.
>>538198281>"Shadiddle me this, Batman."
>>538200517
>>538200303i've had it since before idw>>538200838blaze should get her own subfranchise cause of how many dick riders she has
>>538200729You don't get it. Sally being from another planet is essential for my pitch since it relies on it for the tanabata appeal.Shadow and Maria are separated by time (the past).Sonic and Sally are separated by space (the distance between their planets).And finally, Silver and Blaze are separated by space and time. (the dimensions and the temporal continum)Thusly it completes the trio and demonstrates Silver as being like both Sonic and Shadow in similar and contrasting ways, for he is separated from his love by both space and time.
>>538200985*kisses forehead*
>>538199987>>538200243I mean, it is kinda interesting to use the JP manual's story for a fic, but I'm not really feeling the whole "Sonic Forces, but with Sally".
I love Tails
>>538200978It's not really about Sally for me but the idea of appending an alien planet subplot into Forces. It might as well not be forces
>>538200910That's more on Sega for deciding to reuse her instead of giving Silver a unique character. Ditto with Amy, who even leaves Silver after realizing he's trying to kill Sonic.They would promptly make the same mistake with Sonic Rivals, by making the antagonist a descendant of Eggman who is trying to replace him and erase his failures... then, instead of making a new character, just shoehorning Eggman Nega into that role.
>>538199615What is the sauce for this? Google just leads to a post on reddit about lesbians
>sonic prime will have the satam characters>DIC is wildbrain after all anyone remember this cope?
>>538200145Silverfags finally gave up Nega.
>>538201236iirc Prime wanted to have the DIC stuff but Sega flat out said no. I don't remember where I read this but I remember reading it
>>538201026 I think it has more to do with Sega. It's probably not a wise idea to establish new villains through a comic book that can compete with Eggman's status. That's probably why Starline got killed so early
>>538199987>Here's a new character who is an alien that Sonic knew for years and hasn't been mentioned before unless you read the foreign translated manual of one of the least remarkable old Sonic games. She is here to help save Sonic after his world was taken over by Eggman. This is a problem. Most Sonic games can be consumed in a vacuum. I respect the tanabata idea.Also as others pointed out Sonally is thin ice for gamenic. You'd have to walk on eggshells not to alienate the actual game fans by including a character dynamic specifically known for mishandling Sonic's character more than any other.
>>538201236I remember the cope that Sonic Prime would have some kind of connection to Archie Sonic since Sonic was called "Sonic Prime" in the comic due to his role in the multiverse.
>>538201201>>538197912they fused this and the purple cat for some reason
Sonic Forces has a good story and most of the people who hate it don't like Sonic in general.
Tails is cute
>>538201394Sega always had Eggman upstaged. Ian has been noted to want Eggman to be the baddest villain compared to the rest.
>>538201416>Also as others pointed out Sonally is thin ice for gamenic. You'd have to walk on eggshells not to alienate the actual game fans by including a character dynamic specifically known for mishandling Sonic's character more thanIn 2025 writers get harassed for making Sonic use the wrong verbage. "Thin Ice" is not an adequate description for the amount of vitriol this fandom can produce when Sonic is mischaracterized.
>>538201551So we finally got to this part of the Sonic cycle eh?
>>538201551Forces has many things I like, but almost all of them are done better in other Sonic games. The story is fun, but not very well written. I still like to play Forces though, aside from Classic Sonic
>>538201416>This is a problem. Most Sonic games can be consumed in a vacuum.I don't see why this is an issue when this can be explained in at most 30 seconds of exposition.You're under the assumption that characters need a bunch of context to be introduced to a new character. They don't. Shadow and Rouge were both new in SA2 and their actions are what define them to the audience, not backstory. Backstory is brought up when the story deems it relevant via flashback.If a recap of JP Spinball was necessary, the audience could be brought up to speed in. a matter of minutes at most. With a little text blurb about it in character bios.KH Games introduce characters from obscure games all the time. They rely on a glossary of brief summaries to catch new players up to date on past plotlines. This isn't unthinkable for a Sonic game to include, especially if it's just short Sonic Channel esque bios for each character so new players know what they're getting into.
>>538200838Move on and do what
>>538201750>KH Games introduce characters from obscure games all the time. They rely on a glossary of brief summaries to catch new players up to date on past plotlines. This is not something other people should repeat. Kh's storytelling is hot garbage that is solely propped up by its presentation.(Even that's gone away now, KH3 had awful cutscenes for the most part)
>>538201682Yes but the point I'm making is not about upstaging and more that the comics can't introduce new long lasting elements ahead of the games.
Why do people defend ian flynn?
>>538201874Something else. New characters, new concepts, new story, new places. We can't just keep rehashing the same shit forever.
>>538198336Seething amyfag has been here
>>538202152He tickled my 'tism and I think I can BECOME him one day
>>538202064Sonic generations also did this. There's precedence.Silver, despite being from an unpopular game that did not sell well, was included as a major story required boss fight.There is a page on him in the glossary that catches the audience up to speed. As well as for other characters like Tails, Amy, and so on.A character not appearing in a long time is not necessarily a barrier to entry for them appearing in a new story as long as it presents them well.
>>538202152Those people are LGBT-obsessed lefties and copium-huffers, and even they're starting to turn against him and Evan recently.
>>538202274>Sonic generations also did this. There's precedence.Sonic Generations ALSO has a garbage story, this isn't helping your point.
>>5382021521. It makes the most annoying people here mald2. I like idw sonic
>>538201087I didn’t have a real image to post, real aw shucks hours
Enter... SAGE NEGA.
>>538201750>I don't see why this is an issue when this can be explained in at most 30 seconds of exposition.I don't mean to shit on your story but what I mean is basically that.When Shadow shows up in 06 (A game where his backstory is irrelevant) They do not discuss the fact that he is a genetic experiment at all. Expositing that information is more confusing than leaving it alone. The same is true every other time he appears in stories that don't involve his past.I would leave something like that in the character manual. >Kingdom Hearts gamesI'd love to discuss that but Kingdom Hearts games are actively not concerned with how the general viewer interacts with them (until aqua's side story and 3) "remember the new guy" is an infamously precarious trope for a reason. Even if you sidestep the whole alien thing. Sonic having an old friend who is having their first speaking appearance now is asking a lot on the audience. I'm imagining the real-world reception to this game. I feel like the only characters in the franchise who could successfully pull this off are Tom and Longclaw because they're culturally present.Take Shadow's arc in 06 as an example of the narrative issue I'm talking about. That arc is at its most satisfying if you are aware of Shadow's previous appearances. If 06 is your introduction to Shadow (Check any blind letsplay) it falls horrifically flat. Conversely, it's a double edged sword. A lot of people who have played Shadow's prior games did not need reaffirmation that he can't be tempted by evil. Sally has no prior speaking appearances in a Sonic game. She wouldn't even have that.
>>538197763Jewel walking into a suicide scene and desperately trying to hide it from Tangle. When Tangle gets a peak Jewel's excuse that the "I'm sorry"s scribbled on the wall are from ketchup Cream brought over will somehow work.
>>538202304¿Cómo estás, fresita?
>>538202274>Sonic GenerationsSonic generations was actively trying not to have a story. It's a glorified level select with minimal narration.
>>538202152Ian developed a cult fandom by interacting with fans promoting himself as "one of us" and asking for money to answer lore questions.
>>538202274>that did not sell wellThis is false. SEGA considered it a success and Microsoft reprinted physical copies for it as an Xbox 360 best seller as part of the Platinum Family Hits.
>Blazefags: WAAHHH WAHHH SHITVER RUINED BLAZE NOW SHE CAN'T BE COOL ANYMORE!!! WAHHHH>Also Blazefags: Mmm yes I'm going to do nothing but draw Sonaze and porn mmm DFC...no I'm not going to draw fanart of her being cool fuck off
>>538202274difference is gens its a celebration nomura slop is a continous retcon fanfic
>>538201750I don't think any of the classic characters are ever given that much discussion except Knuckles and that's only because of Sonic Adventure. You would have to make the game about Sally in order to actually convey all that information properly. "She's an alien" is a lot to say and not show.
>>538202507Bien, solo ahora desperte asi que aun necesito despertar un poco mas.
>>538202689It is true. It sold less than 1 million copies according to official sources I've found. It sold substantially less than previous titles in Japan.
>>538202589I'd find it thoroughly sickening if there wasn't a small part of me that can respect a good hustle.
>>538197763Temporary despair and obscurity but ultimately a better future without Tangle and Whisper being there to drag them down.
>>538198036His writing isn't the issue for me, but his personality. And his personality shapes his writing. He's such a try-hard, awkward nerd, probably a feminist, it's hard to put into words. A walking american comic writer stereotype.
>>538202152It's the people who clap and laugh whenever they see references
>>538202397- tho
Frankly I don't understand the point of using Sally Acorn if we're treating Spinball as the "real one". She's a cameo appearance. The japanese text for her was written after the english text. This is not a case of japanese authorial intent being respected but a japanese translation of an american character randomly being given priority.It's like treating Movie Shadow's first real appearance as the genesis marketing game where he chases Sonic on a bike to run him over. Anon is based for choosing that over Archie though.
Tranny avatarfagging roleplaying hours
>>538202873SEGA doesn't give us full sales data. What you saw is most likely the sales for the initial period. Official statement from SEGA is that it sold well, and Microsoft decided that it sold well enough that it warranted a cheaper reprint to sell even more copies.
>>538197763With just this crop, it almost looks like Jewel and Lanolin are just mending a romantic relationship.
>>538203176ok Krack
>>538202423what really bothers me is why Amerimutts take so fucking long to understand why certain creative decisions were made when these ought to be obvious and common knowledge
>>538199987>Sonallyshittrash>in gamesYou might as well have a graphic violent rape scene in a Sonic game, that's honestly more accurate to the brand.
>>538202689Official sources say Sonic 06 sold less than a million by the end of the 2006 fiscal year, by far the worst performing 3D game up until that point
>>538202689>The requirement for being a Platinum Hits title was selling at least 400,000 copies and being on the market for at least nine months after releaselol xbox just didnt have too much family type games
>>538202860¿Expreso y burrito para desayunar?
Sally belongs to Nicole. It's canon to the fandom.
>>538203371FOR THE LAST TIME NOI DO NOT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH MOBIAN WOMEN NOW GET OUT OF MY HOUSE
>>538203451
I don't think I want to know how Iizuka would write Sally Acorn. Mr "I think Mimic should be thirty *laughs*"
>>538201750>KH gamesKingdom Hearts is heavily serialized so characters showing up again is a bit more understandable. In regards to the actually important characters, the only one I'd actually call "obscure" is Xion due to being from a DS spinoff, and even then, 358/2 had a movie on the HD collections. The HD collections in general help with the problem KH had where the spread of spinoffs made following the plot complicated.If you mean Disney/FF-wise, the former are usually bosses or NPCs while the latter, the closest I can think of is TWEWY (and I'm pretty sure that was also a Nomura-joint).>>538202274Unpopular is not obscure.Silver was included because the game included boss fights from mainline games, half being major bosses and half being rivals. Silver is considered a rival in the same vein as Metal and Shadow on top of allowing the rivals to be hedgehogs. The closest you have to an alternate option - seeing as Knuckles was more of a rival in the classic era, is Blaze, but Rush is only represented in the 3DS version (Rush Adventure was skipped entirely).Additionally, Silver was a recurring character by that point, appearing in spinoffs like the Mario & Sonic games, Sonic & the Black Knight (multiplayer-only, but still), Sonic Riders Zero Gravity and the DS version of Colors.Silver was far from obscure and had appeared fairly recently by the time of Generations.
>hated for being right
Just make a sonic game play like this to finally put an end to the madnesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xTU3jL8RQ
>>538203374The "the end of the 2006 fiscal year" is 4 months after the game released. It sold nearly 1 million copies in 4 months, which SEGA said they consider selling strongly. It then got a reprint because they knew it would continue to sell.
>>538202274Sonic Generations barely has a story
>>538203652I am pretty sure that isn't the reason
>>538202689
>>538203652Don't you get tired of glazing yourself
Ian scammed all the meta era haters
>>538203556>>538203371>jehovah's witnesses but for human x blobian marriage
>>538203692>implying anyone on Sonic Team is talented enough to make that
>>538203761See >>538203724Also, this should be obvious if you think about it for even a second: games that sell poorly don't get reprints.
>>538201750>If a recap of JP Spinball was necessary, the audience could be brought up to speed in. a matter of minutes at most. With a little text blurb about it in character bios.Sonic games have a lot of writing problems and this isn't one of them. They don't do this for games where it's irrelevant. Sonic Zero Gravity doesn't waste your time filling in Knuckles backstory in a game where it's not relevant.Sonic Forces is about saving the Earth from Eggman. A throwaway line about Sally being this important close friend of Sonic's from another alien world is an extreme case of Tell don't show. Even for hard core fans that's an extremely deep cut.
>>538203451(Don't tell Sonic this, but I greatly prefer burritos over hot dogs.)
I think
Violet knows exactly what sets the windfags off huh
>>538203724It sold 870K according to a report by SegaSammy. Not god awful but for a Sonic game which at the time tended to sell at least 1.5-2M by the end of the fiscal year, with heavy marketing and pre release hype by journalists, and being a special anniversary title that would serve as a foundation for future games... It flopped. Honestly that Sega statement that it sold well is just cope as a way to not make the situation worse than it was. 870k in 4 months is just bad for Sonic standards. It's closer to what Lost World sold on the fucking Wii UAnd those platinum rereleases had ridiculously low requirements >>538203414
>>538204093don't
>>538203612At least it's not as bad as how Penders would probably handle it. Mr "grown adult fucked a teenage princess before Sonic *laughs*".
>>538203692This is just sonic 3D fangame idea #72 where the character goes really fast and can fly over giant chunks of terrain and that is not what I want from a sonic game
>>538203652Would you a snake Shadow?
>>538204093Not my problem
>>538203924It has ZERO legsIt sold at launch off hype alone, work got out, and that was itYou're telling me after 4 months it almost sold 1 mill yet after almost TWENTY YEARS it STILL hasn't sold past a million? Come the fuck onAlso pic fucking related
>>538204242would
>>538203652Chuds here hate all women even if theyre based. Sthg will never get laid.
Food coma over. Back to the the drawing board.Fucking hate it when I miss something after pressing submit.
>>538204220but imagine that kind of movement but also exploration and alternate pathways
>>538204284Nice blog post avatarfagging tranny
>>538204173The only solution is Maekawa Sally
>>538204093t.
>>538204284using amy's sock covered blobs as masturbatory aids
>>538204265Get his ass
>>538204265No, I'm saying we simply don't have the full sales data, and SEGA said it sold strongly.>picI am well aware I don't profit from this. I don't care to defend SEGA. I only care to correct misinformation. Official sources said the game sold well. That "less than a million" sales figure isn't for a full year, it's for only 4 months.
JP purists root for SoA.
>>538204274He has no bussy tho
>>538204430This painting always cracks me up
>>538204506then you make a hole
>>538204502>Not a jiff
>>538204610anon...that's mutilation.
>>538204465Official sources said that the game sold 870k at launch which is bad for Sonic standards regardless of your mental gymnastics
>>538204409that's the cutoutanon, tranny avatar obssesed retard.
>>538204610You never give up, do you? kek
>>538203757Then what's the reason sweatie
>>538203623The problem with anon's pitch isn't any of the little details but the big picture.Sally Acorn's general idea of a "foil to Sonic" is fine. Anon didn't even suggest making them a pairing. But putting all this heart and soul on a character dynamic that literally did not exist in the games is going to be asking a lot of fans. Especially in the late meta era where fans are on edge about anything slightly OOC. At that point why use Sally? She sounds like an entirely new character based on her appearance from a game that has no dialogue. If it's for the nostalgia points and closure, I don't think Sally fans would enjoy completely replacing all of the major details of her character to compromise with a backstory that has 0 audience.If it's NOT for nostalgia points then what? What is Sally for otherwise? If it's for shipping then this project has given up on appearing to be a Sonic entry.
I'd fuck krack/quark. She seems cute in that angry autistic loser way.
>>538204739Surely random anon #538204739 knows what good sales are better than SEGA's marketing experts.
>>538204502ANIMATE HIM>>538204871NTA but must be about the Shadouge wars
>>538204950Sega was just trying to save face
>>538204964Reminds me of that girl on dA that thought another poster was the real Shadow and commented her entire address
>>538203761How many copies do normal games sell?This just looks bad if you're not seeing all the merch money
>>538205057And Microsoft helped them save face by rereleasing the game even though they knew those reprints wouldn't sell (according to you, that is, SEGA and Microsoft must have thought there was demand).
Can someone tell me what the hell Gigi's deal with Mimic is? What's in the Mimic story that clashes with his death in the previous issue?
>>538205184As previously mentioned those Walmart discount rereleases had ridiculously low requirements
>>538204964>minnesotaAh. That explains it. The poor girl.
>>538205009funny edit but it looks like she ate the guy dick after he came
>>538205164that's fucking pathetic
>>538205179It's hard to sayYou only ever hear about the big blockbusters selling 20 mill and 30 mill and etc But Sonic isn't Nintendo and a normal sale for him is generally whatever is perceived as a double positive net win for SegaDouble the game's budget and that's hard to say sometimes
>>538205179>How many copies do normal games sell?Most games don't even come close to 1 million. Sonic is one of the relatively few privileged games where half a million can be considered a "failure".
>>538205293You're in the Sonic fandomYou're supposed to think of feet and tickling them, not vore
>>538205293It's a phallic cake.
>>538205243Nobody on the writing team told Gigi about #79 being Mimic's final issue, or the fact that the sob-story in his one-shot would have zero impact in it.
I should write the Sonic games and put all of MY retarded shitty headcanons in them and ruin them for everyone else to sate my autism.
>>538205254The requirements are irrelevant. A game that doesn't sell doesn't get reprints, the original discs sit in stores for years because no one buys them. If a game gets reprints it's because the copies were being sold out and there was still demand for more. It is simply how it works. In this case it is easy to tell because it got a branded reprint instead of a normal reprint that doesn't change the box. The game sold, and then they figured they could sell it some more, at a discount. If no one was buying the game the first time, they wouldn't have sold it again.
>>538205179The vast majority of games don't sell what the average Sonic game does However the average AAA tends to do waaaaay better than Sonic
>>538205243She wrote a whole backstory to give him depth only to find out he got killed off unceremoniously in an issue.later.
>>538205614That honestly sounds annoying
>>538205610Sonic doesn't feel like AAA and it hasn't for a long time
>>538205614that's what he gets for not being gay
dating a girl that likes sonic is not that fun monster hunter gf its miles better
>>538205614>he got killed off unceremoniouslyNot just killed, straight up blown to bits.
>>538205164That's cute
>>538205748I thought you were talking about how it'd suck to date Amy.I was about to say how good she is in personality and body even if she is looking at Sonic whizzing past but then I realised you meant in real life.
I don't really understand the obsession with putting Sonic in pairings when his character is so annoyingly static that he'd be a horrible bf for anyone you stick him with and his fanbase is so volatile and aggressive that if you dare change him to accommodate a ship you are basically committing an act worse than treason to a million hyper aggressive autists. For me it's Sonic and Sticks btw.
>>538205723True. Kishimoto called Frontiers "AA".
>>538205614>Backstory >For the guy who killed his friendsHe's an evil villain and no boo hoo shit will change that
>*makes women dox themselves for a chance at sex*
>>538205591870K in four months is considerably below than anything Sonic had released up until that point. Fucking Pinball Party got a reprint alongside another game https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/2_Games_in_1:_Sonic_Pinball_Party_%26_Columns_Crown
>>538205949Amy isn't real anon
>>538206083She doxxed herself? I must have missed that. What did she dox?
>>538206005How come no one makes this kind of thing with Silver? It's always Sonic or Shadow
>>538205723The only 3D AAA games were >SA1>SA2>06>UnleashedThat's it
>>538206005>>538206356who consumes this? who makes this? why?
I wonder how Ian and Evan would feel if a new writer did come in and play janitor with the comic with all the shit they put just like how Ian did with Archie.
>>538205748I don't like her for liking Sonic though. I'm not that shallow.
>>538206359Honestly SA2 was only AAA in name because it had less budget and staff compared to SA1. That's not to say SA2 is bad or whatever but technically a AAA game is one which has a considerable funding behind it
>>538206083>>538205164>>538204964What's his secret?
>>538206356Silver is ugly dude
>>538206272>>538205164>>538206417as usual, women, women, straight
I thought successful people with money were more interesting than this. But not when authors of the longest video game comic of all time can stand the test of time…
>>538206596But not evenPapkins
>>538200470>Permanently ruinedThat was by design, she's never meant to last bozo, look at rush adventure and how much fans are into her>you'll never beat the fraud allegations.They never existed they were just call outs for reusing Silver
>>538206524Do you have this tweet, I need to see the replies (for reference, no, my mom doesn't agree)
>>538206356silver is less popular than sonic and shadowsilver's relative popularity is comparable to archie and idw characters
>>538205831Oh my god.That's......the same death Sonic was going to have in Sonic Adventure 2 if he didn't have that emerald.Still, oh my god, actually depicting it (not in closeup obviously, how grisly and bleak.So to recap, pantyshots are evil, but violence is okay.
>>538206524he's a competent and majestic male
>>538206356Wdym, there's a pic from here of Silver's girly balls and butt
Sweaty sex between Sonic and Surge
>>538206816Gold...
I like Manic the Hedgehog. I like when he says "Righteous" and "Tubular". Did you people actually talk like that in ancient times? It's so cute.
>>538206731So a relatively normal character that is not Sonic and Shadow? yeah that checks out.
>>538206715https://x.com/KOLSANART/status/1777771473152721194
>>538206731>silver's relative popularity is comparable to archie and idw charactersI don't remember any Archie or IDW characters getting badass pictures like the ones Silver's been getting recently on Twitter along with Sage.
I really think Ian and Evan have improved
Every male Mobian has a sex machine pumping their asshole with an 8 inch dildo and their cock is being milked by another sex machine. Who cums first?
>>538206946Just like nobody else will remember the pictures Silver is getting on twitter.
>>538206524He cries a lot
>>538206970Tails
>>538206956How?
>>538206939>>538206876They absolutely did.
>>538207036The pictures that made him songs fangames and took the attention or actual workers within the company? damn people have amnesia
>>538200910>if something the purple cat took a spot that would be great for someone to be part of silver's cast.Makes me wish Jani-Ca wa canon.
In Georgia, more people have googled Sally Acorn than Shadow. No where else in the world. Georgia is the only territory on earth where this is true. Shadow completely overtakes her across the rest of the western hemisphere.What's going on, Georgians?
Sonic Racing Crossworlds Rouge rival and item dialogueRouge vs. JetCrossworlds rival dialogue Jet 1/2Rouge: “The Legendary Blowhard himself! Here to record how badly you'll lose to Sonic?”Jet: “What are you, his cheer squad!? I'm the Legendary Wind Rider, toots, and I'll prove it on the track!”Crossworlds rival dialogue Jet 2/2Jet: “You owe me! My gang had been eyeing that relic for weeks and then you stole it first!”Rouge: “Aw, looks like you aren't as fast as you say you are. A pity. Looks like I'll be winning the race today too!”Crossworlds item dialogue Jet 1/2Rouge (Item Hit): “That one's for you, Jet!”Jet (Hit by Item): “Knock it off, Rouge!”Crossworlds item dialogue Jet 2/2Jet (Item Hit): “Gotcha, Rouge!”Rouge (Hit by Item): “Back off, Jet!”
>>538198036He's not that good at making new characters... to say the least.He still suffers from flanderizes characters, even if he's improved a bit from his Archie days.He just can't give up on the whole freedom fighter shit even though it just does not work.
>>538205831>>538206779Anon it's worse than that, it's for-real a legit depiction of a (attempted murder-)suicide.A better analogy would be when depressed Eggman attempted to blow up Station Square with him in SA1.
>>538206356But there are things with Silver
>>538207304Jani-Ca was just IC Silver.
>>538197665They FUCKSonic FUCKS SurgeSonic and Surge have HOT NAKED SEX together.Sonic makes Surge feel WANTED and LOVEDSurge SMILES SOFTLY and BLUSHES while Sonic LOOKS DEEPLY into her eyes
How did Silver win this?
>>538207314Why is Jet the only character who makes good banter
>>538207305I have several questions to ask my pen pal.
>>538207542Jet's supposed to be a bad guy so he's allowed to be an annoying asshole. Sonic can't do any of that anymore
>metal virus>Sonic "Hey, listen to me-">Shadow "FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!">later >Shadow "I....should've listened to Sonic.">avalanche issue>Sonic "Hey, listen to me-">Shadow "FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!">later>Shadow "I...should've listened to Sonic.">Now>Sonic "Hey, listen to me-">Shadow "FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!"God it's...so tiresome. I'd rather they remove Shadow from the comic at this point
>>538207542He's the only one that believably pulls off his snark.
We've reached a horrible point in time where if Silver is ever portrayed in-character, his "new" fans will get upset and complain that he's "acting like Shadow" even though he isn't acting like Shadow at all.
>>538197763Looks like they're designing an emerald themed Restoration HQ.
>>538207662I wish the wind would call me a fat whore and run off on his skateboard like the ol days
>>538207692He is acting like Shadow though, Silver is not really that well defined or original.
>>538207692Never forget
>>538207305What the fuck
>>538207672Hate to tell you, but it’s IC
>>538207692Tell them respectfully that they can kindly fuck themselves
>>538207662Without the Jet Stones?
>>538207916>in characterShow me in the main games where Shadow makes the same fuck up over and over after "learning" from it
>>538207814Silver has never acted like Shadow in any comic or game. People who say this don't know much about either character.
>>538207814Nigga, Metal, Knuckles,Espio and Blaze act like Shadow ,Silver is by far further then him in the same way as Sonic is.
>>538208068The truth is Silver doesn't really have much going on with him at all.
>>538207305Sally Acorn is a cultural icon in Atlanta?
>>538207814So you don't know anything about Silver or Shadow? got it.
IDWfags will look at ridiculous shit a character has never done ever before and call it ic because they don't want you to talk bad about their favorite Z list indie writer.
Silver is just boring and too detached from the seriesWith Shadow you could argue he added more mature themes to the series. What does Silver add exactly? On a narrative way? What role or purpose he fulfills? What does he bring to the table?
>>538208241Nice argument retard.,
>>538208138Not a s much as Sonic and Shadow, we get it, him not being the best of the best means he's bad, you can keep thinking that
>>538208235Maybe that's just where Richmunk is.
Give me a detailed explanation in how Silver and Shadow differ when it comes to completing their objectives / the same target.I wish to know for curiosity's sake.
>>538208331>What does Silver add exactly? On a narrative way? What role or purpose he fulfills? What does he bring to the table?He actively makes the storytelling in this series worse just by existing. Pretty impressive desu.
>>538207692Silver was mostly in character in CrossWorlds and everyone ate it up.>>538207814Saying Silver and Shadow are the same is like saying Vergil and Nero are the same.
>>538208348Nice goal tweaking faggot. watch yourself covering your pink ass trying to catch other arguments and just showing how much of a schizo you are.
>>538208535Big Sally...
Oh I get it. Lettuce is in the thread.
>>538207407The Power Power secretly being an explisive device is the biggest ass-pull I've seen since Archie got rebooted, and that's quite an accomplishment....Power Cores are these things, in case you forgot...There was zero hint that these things could ever be dangerous. They're fucking power-ups! Imagine if bumping into a wall caused you to spontaneously combust after powering up.
>>538208397>He googled her more than every single resident could google anything else
>>538206417>who consumes this?*raises hand*
>>538197873Mohawknic has better toonforce so he would probably win.https://youtu.be/5EZ54vXrcVU?si=kXdIqULDrwP_1KRe
>>538208627
>>538208331>>538208138Silver literally got a bunch of artists drawing ideas for his future on Twitter based on ONE interaction with Sage in a racing spinoff. What the hell are you guys talking about?
>>538208520>Saying Silver and Shadow are the same is like saying Vergil and Nero are the same.This implies Silver is Nero and to that I say lol
>>538208535If Sally was stronger than the hedgehogs they would all be milked and squeezed of their cum against their will.
>>538208331Shitdow did not add any mature themes to the series retard SA1 did it firstSilver added actual dilemmas and stakes, and diverted the series from being directed at emo virgins because of Shitdow
>>538208742Twitter is not the world dude. You are way overhyping this.
>>538208742The jealous fags are making this way too funny.
So Silver haters are now employing the retarded argument that every character must fullfill a toyetic "Thing" Like the smurfs, dwarves, or power rangers and that characters can't just fulfill unique dynamics or arcs.
>>538208967What about Silver is "unique"?
>>538208898So shitdow is not popular among fans, just among moviekids, who thought he was .exe at first LMAO
hnnnng
>>538208813>SA1 did it firstSA2 is considerably more "mature" than SA1 and has higher stakes. Shadow is the most complex character in the series. The whole point of SA2 is having a parallel between light and dark where the dark portion has more lore and complexity. There's no need for a third element. If anything Silver ruins the whole parallel thing SA2 was going for>Silver added actual dilemmas and stakesPffffffffffffffffffftHonestly dude just admit you're jelly of Shadow >>538208742Great, that has nothing to do with my comment. Nice job
>>538209156Silver doesn't look like that
>>538208967Yup
>>538209102Everything!
>>538209252This is him after 200 years of creatine
>>538208745IC Silver is the same as Nero. Their main strengths and weaknesses as characters are their emotional nature. Almost everything said in this video also applies to Silver.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmW_b-DXZ-o
>>538209313cute happy hog!
>>538209313No.
>>538209220>[retarded ramble]>"i'm not jealous you're jealous!"Nigga i don't give a fuck about Shadow, that's the difference between you and i.
How stupid do you have to be to think Shadow's cold and aloof alien demeanor is anything like Silver's hotheaded and self-serious demeanor.This kind of retardation is why we get shit like Uwuver.You faggots can't tell the difference between Batman and Buttercup because they're both "serious" and that's enough to encapsulate an entire character for you.
>>538209102nothing and that's okay. The problem is silver was badly executed and is considerably boring to anyone that isn't on the potential juice or a silvaze fan
>>538208967Dude Sonic is a mascot franchise. Each character has a recognizable set of characteristics and introduce new concepts and ideas on their own. Silver is a complete failure in this regard, no one knows what his personality is supposed to be or what he actually brings beyond being Trunks I guess
>>538209343Stop co-opting other characters to give yours the illusion of depth. Nero and Silver are nothing alike.
>>538208967Yes, it's a mascot franchise, he's supposed to have a strong well-defined core concept. He gets to be more complex because he's a hedgehog and supposed to the the trigagonist but he never grew into the role and he's the quintessential shitty friend.
>>538209470>How stupid do you have to be to think Shadow's cold and aloof alien demeanor is anything like Silver's hotheaded and self-serious demeanor.At this point, I think they're being retarded on purpose.
>>538208745I know DMC5 caused a newfag boom who engaged in a lot of revisionist history, but Nero was in a similar hated boat in DMC4. It's only after Tameem showed how much worse things could get with the failed reboot and the hype of the series surviving its 10-year dormancy that really helped him be reassessed.
>>538209470Shadow would be Buttercup
Tails!Cute!
It seems his superiority has lead to some controversy again>>538209439>"Nigga i don't give a fuck about Shadow">literally malding rn
>>538209220>Shadow is the most complex character in the series
>>538209249*uses speed to grab gun*
>>538209439Ok so you give up, good to know
Aren't you guys tired of all this Silver shitposting
>>538209618No its the usual of you guys saying the most retarded shit and when we try to correct you you cry out loud which causes you again to get shat on and go silent, welcome newfag.
>>538209809What is the purpose of this, to blacklist him from being posted? Just use filters
>>538209637But he is, no other character in the series has as much stuff going on as Shadow. The whole selling point of Shadow is that he stands out from the cast and that his past is mysterious and there's many things about it that fans are compelled to analyze. No other character has as much going on and that's ok I don't need Sonic characters having to go through multiple character arcs or whatever, especially the classic characters since many people like their simplicity
>>538209809eh, its better than bitching about idw for the umpteenth time
There would be no confusion about Silver if it wasn't for Evan and IDW replacing his character entirely
>>538207407... WHO ARE THESE COMICS FOR?!?!?
>>538209669Now finish the job
>Shadowfags are jealous of Silver nowHonestly don't know why, but it's a good time to be a Silverfag i guess
>>538209938If his personality was worth keeping to begin with people would have complained sooner
>>538209894It reminds me of the old "shitdow" or whatever shitposts from before movie 2 teased Shadow. There was a dedicated shitposter trying to turn people against Shadow and it went on and on for months if not years
>>538209938Yeah let's just ignore Archie, 06's story, and the piles of fan art
>>538209938This started with 06
Shadally this Shadikal that. At least Silver has the mental potential for romance unlike the other two hedgehogs. Both women are a better fit for Silver
Determinator: One of Silver's main traits is his unstoppable hope. In his debut game, he fights Iblis over and over even though he knows it's immortal. In the past, he changes targets to relentlessly pursue the Iblis Trigger, only stopping upon realizing he's on the wrong path. Even when Sonic is dead and Solaris commits a Class X End of the World, he's the only one to maintain hope (even when Shadow seems hopeless). He believes a primordial being can be destroyed, and urges everyone to find the Chaos Emeralds to bring back Sonic. In later games such as Rivals and Forces, he continues to be an unstoppable Determinator even in the most bleak circumstances.
>>538210075I was here, I remember it clearly. It's always a new fad around here kek. I saw it done with Knux, Amy, Sonic, everyone.
>>538209910Stop being retared on purpose it's hurting my sides kek
>>538209637>>538209859It's THE TRVKE and (you) know it
>>538210052Jealous of what dude? Fanart? Shadow (and many other characters) gets that every single day
>>538199754Only because X Amy didn't have a mundane life at Station Square for her speech to happen.
>>538210245Well there's no other explanation why Shadowfags want to get a one up on him even tho we know it?
>>538209637He objectively is.
>>538207407So does that variable wispon thing have any defensive measures? Cause Whisper should've been blown to bits from that as well.
>>538206356bro the 3 hogs have this kind of shit , specially by japssearch better
>>538208590I thought that maybe the cores Starline made were actually bombs as collateral, but turns out they explicitly weren't; I guess Bad Guys was released a while ago and Ian/ the editors forgot. Also, Bad Guys was a good miniseries.
>>538197665Chroniclesfag doesn't even ship it.
>>538209965Technically no one. Evan accidentally admitted that she doesn't plan characters or story arcs and makes shit up on the fly, which corroborates the claims that the IDW writers actively refuse to communicate with each-other (alongside Surge's 180 in characterization whether Evan or Ian is writing her). In Mimic's case, Ian wanted other people to tie up his loose end since he admitted previously that he had no idea where it was gonna end. Evan spun her wheels for 30+ issues, and when he was forced to come back, he closed the lid on him abruptly as possible.
>>538210064They did. the issue i saw is that this uwuver is fan work, imagine if Shadow was horny and loud, which is what most fans depict him as
What if Sonic started with unironic edge instead of following what was cool and trendy in the 90? What if it started as a furry DMC?
>>538207542He's an actual rival character and not exactly a designated good guy or someone in Sonic's circle, so he's allowed to speak very rudely compared to other characters.
>>538210085Evan does not write him in for 06 or any game. Stop lying. She copied the "adorable" template that is a popular online fantasy about teenage boys being cute and bubbly and completely replaced Silver with it. Silver the Hedgehog doesn't appear in early IDW and he arguably doesn't appear in IDW at all. It's hate. That's all it is. When Silver is characterized correctly IDW fans suddenly turn on him for being unlikable. They never liked Silver. Never at all. I'm glad Evan is taking steps to fix this but she already fully ruined the character with her superwholock trash. She isn't going to enjoy writing him correctly. And writers don't do a good job when they dislike their material. Even worse, we have to watch this mangled character switch personalities back and forth with no in universe justification because the writer didn't care about the character and neither did Sega.Being a Silver fan is hell and I blame IDW stans.
>>538210169>: One of Silver's main traits is his unstoppable hope.Sonic already does this.
>>538210564Sonic is a cartoon character that's how he was envisioned by Oshima. Him being cool was just a part of his character
>>538210383>emo guy is angryNope, in fact Shadow is the most plain character possible, only used to bring the most retarded fans for a quick buck
>>538207407>spoilerbetter times
Without the Silver Stones?
>>538210491>Lunar is queer AND mentally illBruh
>>538208742I've said it last thread.:>Silver's story from 06 except it's Sage instead of Iblis!Am I supposed to be awestruck?
>>538210475We can convince him
^-^
>>538210448>IanMore than likely didn't care>EditorsThe guy who was around during the time got fired. Not sure who is actually editing the book right now. IDW is a skeleton crew.
>>538210052its not shadowfags but silverspergsThey just use shadow as a deflection Shit is beyon pathetic>STOP TALKING AND ENJOYING SILVER AAAA I AM GOING INSANEEEEE
Cooom
>>538210854Without the Cum Stones?
>>538210830Best boy
>>538210796I'm not sure if Iblis and Sage are entirely comparable.
>>538210064People thought Uwuver was is actual personality. Even Ian.
>>538210796I'm simply happy that i can see a NEW FUCKING ZONE
>>538210704I want dmc levels of edge in sonic
>>538210989At least it IS a personality, unlike the nothing he is in 06.
>>538210052That's like saying shadowfags are jealous of knuckles
>>538210727All Sonic characters are "plain" because this is a series about cartoon mascots. Shadow stands out because he has a more elaborate backstory and motives than anyone else. That's it.
>>538210937<3
>>538210796>iblis is like sage holy retardationjust ignore it instead on going on a big melty
>>538211086A personality people mocked even more because it was faggy as fuck.
People do not like Silver's canon character from 06 and Rivals, and at best find him intolerably annoying like Charmy.
IDWfans are genuinely the worst people in this fandom. Worse than actual pedophiles. Look at how easily they claim that the characters from the games have no depth and need to be flanderized to hell in order to be worthwhile.They don't respect the games. They don't respect Sonic. They don't respect you. I wish the comics would get canceled but there's no sign of that happening.
>>538211056Well I don't. Because that's not how Sonic started as. Unless it's a Shadow spin off maybe
>>538211105Shadowfags are the fags who cannot comprehend what it means to be cool so they stick to the coolest but get easily threatened when people look at other characters as cool.
>>538211056>Zero sugarfucking poser
>>538211138Avatarfagging pedo
>>538211117Tails has the most elaborate backstory and motives after Shadow while still being simple and straightforwardTails wins again
>>538211160Your autism is making you take the comparison literal instead of noticing the actual comparison being made.
>>538211056Get this poser out of here
Nobody cares about Silver's "real" personality. The only games that the true Silver is supposedly around are 06, which fucking sucks, Rivals which is a game five people played but sthg tries to pretend it's crucial to the franchise's lore for some reason, and... Colors DS dialogue.There is legit nothing worth saving of Silver's previous character
>>538211117>elaborate backstoryEveryone but Sonic has an elaborate backstory, Shadows backstory is the only one that is getting milked.
>>538209567>I know DMC5 caused a newfag boom who engaged in a lot of revisionist history, but Nero was in a similar hated boat in DMC4.Because people thought he was replacing Dante retard, you are not telling the whole story.
>>538211368Yep Tails is just the best. The quintessential Sonic character
>>538211473Shadow's is significantly more detailed than anyone else's
>>538210630>being unlikableYou misspelled, "having a spine".>>538210796>except it's Sage instead of IblisA mindless, destructive monster is not the same thing as a cold, calculating AI hellbent on fulfilling her deceased creator's wishes.>>538210987They're not, he's being retarded about Silver.
Iblis is despair which is way better than Sage, actually.
>>538211429His character back there fits his story, i refuse to believe a fragile klutz was fighting in hell alone
>>538211727He had Blaze guiding him
>>538211621>A mindless, destructive monster is not the same thing as a cold, calculating AI hellbent on fulfilling her deceased creator's wishes.Silverfags still being too autistic to realize the actual comparison.
I fucking hate Lettuce. I hate comicfags. They don't understand or respect Sonic. They just see the comics as some feel good soup and yet they demand the rest of us to accept this stupid pile of rape.
>>538211789*tard wrangling
>>538211842Chill krack
>>538211567Yeah you keep telling yourself thatfunny thing Shadow backstory is only good thing about him, how many games where successful where Shadow moved on or had anything else to do other then his watching backstory?
>>538211842Can someone who speaks sperg translate this for me?
Back in 2010 Silver already had fans Stop with the revisionism
Silverspergs don't even have a solo game to their favorite hedgehog's name yet they act so entitled.
S O V L
>>538211930I think lettuce is the chick who makes lesbian porn and likes IDW
>>538211789Retconned, thank fucking christ, Blaze of all people guiding someone is a death sentence.
>>538211946>Back in 2010 Silver already had fansFrom the Olympic games maybe.
>>538211275>Because that's not how Sonic started asYou have autism.
>>538211904Sonic fans usually like Shadow's story in 2006 at least nowadays. I also kinda like him in Forces even though the story of Episode Shadow is a confusing nonsensical mess, at least Shadow is cool and the Episode Shadow stages were fun and challenging to S rank
>>538211621She still owes Silver a blowjob.
>>538212172Sonic isn't DMC
>>538211946>Back in 2010 Silver already had fansFrom the influx of casual nintendies that played the M&S olympics.
>>538212218sonic should be like dmc
>>538211376>>538211804Even in essence, the comparison isn't exactly>Iblis is unstoppable force akin to a living natural disaster, who reduces the future to a destroyed waste. He pushes the survivors to desperation due to the futility of combating him due to his immortality.>Sage (in most of these future interpretations) is a ruthless individual who turns the future into a hyperindustrial dominion. Omnipresent within the bounds of her territory due to her AI nature, but entirely combattable so long as there are those willing to resist her. The only thing they have in common is "being a great threat the future faces", and to equate them on that basis alone is to equate Eggman Nega with Iblis - which is ridiculous.
>>538212182She didn't say that
Is Shadow a virgin? This is important
>>538212182She actually offered anal, why do you spread misinformation
Year of Whisper
>>538212330no one wants to join your grooming channel.
>>538212282No it should go for something closer to the tone of Secret Rings or Rush Adventure. A cool fun adventure with emotional sincerity. Random and shallow edgyness is not necessary unless it's like a cool Kaiju fight scene or something like that
>>538212297>The only thing they have in common is "being a great threat the future faces"They're retarded, Anon. Don't waste your post.
>>538210727Is Shadow pure? Y/N
https://files.catbox.moe/tio5yc.mp4
>>538212297Still not getting it.
>>538212371Sonic characters don't have sex.
>>538211982>Sonic with baguettes and groceries>promoting actual somewhat healthy rating habitswtf
>>538212469Fuck off ABT, this is for fans only
>>538210691The key difference is that Silver is "Sonic" from the Bad Future, where there IS no hope otherwise at ALL. This world is completely destroyed, it is a chaotic inferno ravaged by an unkillable evil, you can't even see the sky or the sun anymore, and the floor is literally lava. Silver is the last light of hope in this dark devastated world. Silver is Sonic's own hope incarnate, everlasting in the face of absolute despair.
>>538212330If Sonic is Dante, Shadow is Vergil and Silver is Nero, then who are Knuckles and Blaze?
>>538212512it should be edgy. plots should be edgy. characters should be edgy. their interactions should be edgy. Robotnik should roboticize people and use their roboticized limbs as a back scratcher
>>538212630KEKK
>>538212282This might be controversial but I think Sonic should be like Sonic
>>538212512>A cool fun adventure with emotional sincerityliterally DMC
>>538212691Then just put Sonic in situations that puts his hope to it's limits. No need to create another character for that>>538212756In a spin off kinda maybe, not the main series
>>538212741They are both Lucia.
Uwuver is his real personality you’re all just jaded.
>>538211621>tfw the writers will let Silver be cool while Shadow is just walking trope that jobs and never does anything reasonable or rational>meanwhile Shadow is a badass in every other form of Sanic entertainment EXCEPT the comics
>>538212630IC and canon
Human women will never get ultimate life form penis
>>538212787What IS Sonic?
>>538212631Then please, explain. I genuinely want to understand.
>>538212996Probably because... Silver just sucks?
>>538212303O shit...
>>538213010Sex with both
>>538213010I live that dude siver stuff, in general he's an amazing artist.
Blaze is what happens when you take everything about Tails that separates him from Sonic, everything about Amy that separates her from Sonic, and everything about Knuckles that... well, is Knuckles... and blend it all together to create the perfect "negative" Sonic. And thus, she is bullied over her unique ability, she's hotblooded and passionate, and she's stoically dedicated to carrying the weight of her whole world's responsibilities above all else. >>538212934>Then just put Sonic in situations that puts his hope to it's limits. No need to create another character for thatIt doesn't work like, because Sonic's default state, "his world", is Green Hill Zone. Emerald Coast. Blue skies, and smiling faces. Sonic lives in the world that Silver fights to create. Sonic begins and ends every adventure in that idealistic world. Silver could only DREAM that such a world could exist, because he never got to see it for himself until he goes back in time, and then has to go through heck to recreate that in his own time. It's not as simple as having Sonic play Sonic CD or push him to his limits. Because Silver is the living manifestation of that very specific aspect of Sonic put through extremes that Sonic absolutely never has and never will.
>>538213106Silver is at least useful in the current idw shite. They could remove Shadow from them entirely and nothing would change.
Sonic is the wind. Freedom, independence, living life by your own rules, doing what you truly think is right even if the world tells you you're wrong. Disliking oppression and while not calling himself a hero lends a helping hand to those by his side. Being the gale of fate when the world looks like it's falling apart. If Sonic is the wind then Silver is the divine wind. An unknown force here to bring forth light in the darkness and he's here to help. If Sonic is heroic then Silver will give everything to give people a chance at a bright future, including Sonic himself. The very nature of this means that Silver comes in to help Sonic when he "failed", even if that's not the intention of Sonic Team, as they want Silver to have a chance to be another valued friend of Sonic and his world
>>538213103Watch he'll make up a new full diaper to get more (you)s
>>538213103>Apocalyptic dystopia of a future where Silver is one of the only renegades to stand against [insert enemy here].It's just a rehash of Iblis. It's already been done before. Even Nega's plot in Rivals was more original.
>>538208052No it’s IC for him to always want to do things his own way and never want help
>>538213264>Silver is at least useful in the current idw shitenobody else is useful in idw besides sonicShadow is excused from appearing in the gay comic. but when he does, the writers will abuse him
Human women will never get drawn well by Evan Stanley.
>>538213336Do you contribute anything to the discussion besides throwing insults like an 8-year old?
>>538213343Tbh it's still god, 06 just sucked so we didn't get the full memo
>>538213427There's wanting to do things your way, and just being retarded. Comicbook Shadow is retarded. The black man who listens to music loud enough that the entire complex hears it is smarter than Shadow the dumbhog in the comics.
>>538213060>>538213490Truth nukesWhat about the human males
>>538213235It does work like that if you as the writer make it work like that. Just push Sonic to his limits. Have him be transported to a shithole and have to be the beacon of hope to the people there
Sonic should just be handled by the UK.
How do you push Knuckles forward as the "Anti-Sonic", developing his rivalry against Sonic into a friendly bond as teammates or whatever, without having Knuckles' themes of duty get completely replaced by Sonic's themes of freedom (i.e. without destroying the M.E. and stuff)?
>>538213427Which is true but it's OOC for him to ignore that something bigger is going on and to at least sit down and listen to Sonic or Rouge to gather information and THEN make his own decision on the matter
>>538213501
>>538213628Then Sonic would be a black woman.
>>538213550
>>538213480
>>538213581>Have him be transported to a shithole and have to be the beacon of hope to the people thereYou know darn well that is not the same thing as Silver actually growing up in that environment without ever seeing the light.
>>538213549Well then you’re calling Shadow retarded because that’s what he does
>>538213663It's far too late for any kind of rivalry to be made again. Knuckles is Piccolo status nowHe is Sonic's bestie
>>538213078Cool and fast. Realistic with fantastical and surreal elements, lighthearted but not extremely cutesy and safe, bright but somewhat toned down, with the possibility of serious or emotional stories when appropriate. The stories usually focus on being true to oneself, friendship, ancient legends and civilizations, nature in contrast to technology as well as how nature and technology can coexist.I think Sonic 1, 2, CD, 3&K, Adventure, the Hero Side Story of Adventure 2, Heroes, Advance, Advance 2, Advance 3, Rush, Rush Adventure, Unleashed, and Colors all fit what I described (that's not to say they all have the exact same style, just similar enough compared to other games), while the other games tend to move away from the core concepts to explore the series from different angles, sometimes in extreme ways (like Mania and Frontiers going in complete opposite directions when it comes to tone)
2026 year of Silver? Can we do it?>>538213736This looks like a chick. So, in order to draw women, she should draw a dude instead.
>>538213343I see. I suppose I see where you're coming from. Still, Silver's entire conceit - if you don't want him to just be another Sonic's Friend(tm) as he usually is in the present - requires him to have futuristic enemies. In regards to Future Sage, most people approach it as saving the dystopia IN THE FUTURE was the basis of a hypothetical Silver solo game, rather than preventing it from ever occurring altogether as was the case in 06. I think it's meaningfully different enough, in that sense.
>>538212934>Then just put Sonic in situations that puts his hope to it's limits. No need to create another character for thatYeah why make new characters when you can change the original character?
>>538213758>I am....the ultimate jobber!Fucking comics are so bad they make Silver look good and Shadow look like shit, consistently. You can't tell me they're not biased as fuck. Why they have a hate boner for Shadow I'll never know.
Of Sonic's nu-techno music direction, this is the only song worth a damnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srLYvfITjVwObjective fact, don't @ me
>>538213783It ultimately doesn't matter because the deal with both characters is that they'll never give up and are always smiling or whatever. Silver growing up in hell doesn't really change anything. Sonic can still be utilized in the same scenarios and you'll obtain the same narrative results. Which means Silver is redundant because Sonic came first
>>538213816>It's far too late for any kind of rivalry to be made again.This is false, because according to Sonic Team, their rivalry has not changed, it is still there. But it has the inherent problem of not being given the attention it deserves, and they consistently fail to properly handle Knuckles' character without sacrificing everything that defines him just so he can show up.
>>538213663I destroy the ME and ignore you
>>538213829
>>538213906It's an objective fact that you're wronghttps://youtu.be/d-uXFH2zbD4
>>538213829Fuck no, let me see what he can do first, if i don't fucking see a new gameplay for him but a rehash of 06 i'm gonna lose it
>>538213663he feels like a monk now not a rival that ship has sailed fo him
Is there a whiteboard today?
>>538213758It'd be different if there was build-up for Shadow, but they don't put in any effort to.
>>538213785It would be fine if he didn't fail every time he did it. But IDW Shadow isn't allowed to be smart, or clever, or to do something helpful. He is only allowed to grunt, call everyone else stupid, then do something stupid.
>>538214030No
>>538213886But I'm not changing anything, ultimately Sonic is not going to give up. What am I even changing? Sonic doesn't give up
>>538214030Yeah https://magma.com/d/cyUPCU7BcB
>>538213736>>538213990Evan's a good artist I dunno if she'd be a decent fit as a Sonic issue artist tho
>>538213975>and they consistently fail to properly handle Knuckles' character without sacrificing everything that defines him just so he can show up.It doesn't help that people (fans and Sonic Team alike) get hyperfixated on the Master Emerald specifically rather than expanding on what his duties as a guardian of ancient treasures entails. Like hunting for them to begin with.
>>538213995Not even the best song in that gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP3K-ybKpd8
>>538213829>2026 year of Silver?this is the most retarded shit. He has NO CONTENT like Shadow did with sa2/heroes/06You can pander to the character for sure but doing an entire year of it only its STOOOOPID
>>538214152They consistently fail Shadow in the comics, and they consistently fail Knuckles in fucking everything. The master emerald is dumb. Fuck the master emerald.
>>538214023Why he so zesty here?
>IDW hates ShadowI think he's jobbed two more times since this was made. Recently when Sonic outwitted him in #81 and the 900th issue where Sonic goes "You're gay" and runs off with the Warp Topaz.
>>538213829Next year is Sonic's 35th anniversary and 2027 will be movie 4 which as of now has no Silver
>>538214023Sonic is such a homo loser, I would've jumped right into his arms. God I hate him
>>538214090As well he's being way too cocky and cool or macho and tuff, or innocent and clever, but we have Shadow, Knuckles and Tails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U478UG6ygBs
>>538214116>offmodel dogshit figureK E K
>>538214116I was saddened when I started reading about resin-printing and how it opens up the world of figuremaking to so many people, only to find out 90% of whats made is off-model coomershit like this. I dont know what I expected, really...
>>538214116>His
The fuck is happening with some dudes extreme hate on silver Adobe my post i this thread.The dude is just there, people are posting cool art, and people are seething about him for no good reason.
>>538197763I hope the comic dies before these two bring up a new restoration.
When it comes to Knuckles, what he really needs is for his "Responsibility" itself to be redefined. Just guarding the Master Emerald, or even Angel Island, alone doesn't cut it because the scope of "Sonic's World" is simply too vast for that to serve as the proper counterpoint against Sonic's freedom. If Sonic's free to go where he wants, when he wants, then Knuckles' "duty" should be just as vast in scope and yet even heavier a burden to match. Something along the lines of being a Guardian of the world, or watching over the Chaos Emeralds wherever they go, or something like that. Something that dictates that he has to be here doing this job, even if he'd rather be doing anything else, but the nature of the job means he'll regularly cross paths with Sonic on his adventures.
>>538213758IDW is a bad Silverfag comic. It's focus is to make Silver look cute and strong, all characterization and other characters be damned
>>538214105Nice :DBest of luck to anyone drawing today, going to finish those sketches from earlier this week now that I'm done with comms.
>>538214273Geez no wonder Japan isn't getting the rest of these. They'd just be reading the chronicles of Jobdow the Hodgepodge
>>538214424>people are seething about him for no good reasonThey're also apparently too stupid to tell the difference between a giant fire monster and a superintelligent AI.
>>538214265I think they were trying to show their friendship, but if you actually look at all the games Sonic and Knuckles don't really have one, so the whole thing comes off as forced.
>>538214132These humans look fucking ugly and that's just her men
>>538214424Silver is mostly ignored officially and has been for years, so shitposters take advantage of that to make fun of him. Shadow in this general used to get treated like this too, even worse than this at times, before he appeared in the movies
>>538214257>>538213975>>538214152>>538214494I'm starting to think Ian might have had a point trying to get Knuckles to open up to having a "substitute guardian" when he needs to attend to duties further away from the island. Trying to force Sticks to be that obviously was a bad idea (that got her vaulted, at that), but Relic the archeologist from preboot Archie was legitimately a good idea.
I am scared anons I don't want Evans humans in the games.
>>538214537Lol, wasn't the volume where Shadow got infected where Japan started to slow down their translated releases?
>>538214305I would have kissed him on his stupid smug mouth just to show him who's boss!
>>538214674Is it? Heh, nice.
>>538214537>Japan isn't getting the rest of theseThey are>>538214652That already happened with Gerald's journal in Shadow Generations
>hoooonk mimimimimi hoooonk mimimimimi hoooooonk mimimimimi
>>538214549>whole thing comes off as forcedNuh uh Ian told me so
>>538214116>neck lol
>>538214652honestly I miss the generic sa1 anime humans
>>538198036He keeps shoving in too much.Everything has to lead into something, everyone has to be here, every moment needs a callback.
>>538214724No she was drawing Karusano style and she messed up there too.
>>538214645The problem is Knuckles wouldn't trust someone he's just met to watch over the emerald. He feels culturally tied to it. The only people he possibly COULD trust the watch over it (Sonic or Tails) wouldn't trouble themselves to do it.
>>538214741yoiu make fun of the amy/tails pic but you post this dogshit LMAO
>>538214273Reading shit like this is what it's like to be a Flash or Superman fan. Either of them show up and aren't the main character, and you're in for the most retarded shit ever put to paper. IDW is nothing but hacks.
>game Shadow "I will dedicate my life to protecting the innocent.">Comic Shadow:
>>538198036
What should Eggman's go-to 4 people team (including himself) be?Options:-Metal Sonic-Sage-Infinite/Zero-Vermin the Cybernik-Heavy King-Lien-da-Any of the Grandmasters/Eggbosses-Empowered Agent Stone-Dr. Zachary-Someone else i forgot
>>538214919I am not who you think I am
I', just gonna say it, the Sonic's shitty friends people were right, we honestly do not need all these fuckers nobody likes them, nobody cares about them and their contributions to the franchise are small. Sonic never needed a vast reoccuring cast, look t the Ys franchise Adol and Dogi are the only reoccuring character s and Dogi barely matters anymore he went from playable character to flash back character to barely appearing at all cept at the end or beginning. Sonic should be like that, we don't need Tails every game, we don't need Amy every game and we certainly don't need characters who need an exccuse to be there, Why is Knuckles not guarding the master emerald? Why is Shadow here?WHy is Silver in this timeline he's 200 years in the future none of this shit matters to himWhy is Blaze here, wher debut game made it clear the sol emeralds and chaos emeralds should never be in the same realm and Ian fucked it up by making them magical batteries for a long dead alian race that apparenlty was where Chaos came from mutated chao my ass oh wit tht ws also another stupid story bitYou know what,Sonic is like Dragonball in that once it got older and idiots started demanding explanations to shit that didn't need explaining it becamse garbage cept for dragonball it started long before Super was even a thing it started with thta stupid korean game Toriyama wrote
>>538214645Fuck that, just cancel the damned master emerald. Why do we even need one? It's just a big ass plot device and cage for Knuckles when we already have the other chaos emeralds.
>>538214974Evan wanted Shadow to kill someone who was not an imminent major threat to someone's physical safety.
>>538214549Kek it's kinda true. Besides some banter here and there we've never actually seen Sonic and Knuckles hang out or anything like with Sonic and Tails. They respect each other but there's no real friendship there
Robotnik taps THAT?
>>538198036From what I've seen (Frontiers and parts of IDW), he tries to "develop" the characters by turning them into something they aren't and shouldn't be. He also gets important info wrong sometimes. Other than I don't really care, I think his writing is acceptably mediocre
Replace Knuckles with Shadow Replace Tails with Silver
>>538214116For real the worst thing when you want merch of a character you like is the off model stuff.
Stop samefagging
>>538214932Now Now, Shadow may be an embarrassing jobber but he isn't Flash level yet
>>538215120Because without it Knuckles has nothing. He should have been a one off character/
Someone post a random picture from a movie they like I want to do an experiment.
The comic could just make an OC or have some kind of device or security made to guard the Master Emerald, but the comic is supposed to be "canon" to the games so they can't take those kinds of liberties.
>>538214116>skin-colored navelslop
>>538215352Are you going to ignore all of Penders echidna lore just like that?
>>538211056I’m so glad I never listened to Linkin Park growing up.
>>538215120For better or for worse, it helps define him and his niche in the cast. You don't wanna sound like Ian trying to get rid of the Sol Dimension to make Blaze hang out in the Chaos Dimesnion 24/7 because he doesn't want to bother writing around it.
>>538215371
One things the comics like to do with Shadow. and this was a thing with Archie, is to have Shadow job or be humiliated and have Sonic make fun of him for it.
>>538215201I always loved the trope of male animal cartoon characters dressing as women as a bit but now?would, especially bugs bunny
>>538215352without it he's just a treasure hunter. you know, like in the ova.>He should have been a one off character/shadowfag hands wrote this post.
>>538215343Shadow is doing his best to catch up, but he doesn't have decades of bad writing and not being the main character like Flash does.>>538215352Knuckles can't just guard the other emeralds? Or be someone who ensures they aren't misused?
>>538198036Tails in frontiers its dogshit , he is doing the same shit adventure did but worse for brownie pointssame with Amy , he unironically think this makes them ""grow""Knux was ok i think and sage could be much better I felt nothing when she died
>>538200470>muh silvazeblaze flopped on her own accord after 06
I’m just diametrically opposed to Silver’s existence in this franchise (outside of maybe the comics). Whenever he and Shadow are around it’s clear that Sonic Team wants to turn the whole thing into a DBZ knockoff and make hedgehogs into knockoff Saiyans. If 06 had succeeded that’s exactly what we would be staring at right now. The difference is that Shadow has earned his place in the franchise and Silver has not. All he has is artificial “aura” forced onto all of us by his cultish fanbase. We also never needed a THIRD protagonist-level character (let alone two), since that was also obviously in their vision.
>>538215562>without it he's just a treasure hunter. you know, like in the ova.Sonic Team was clearly trying to angle him in that direction but for whatever reason they never really pulled the trigger on closing out his ties to the ME in SA1, despite the obvious narrative hook of Chaos being the real reason Knuckles was forced to guard the emeral and with Chaos pacified, he was no longer bound by this duty and should be absolved of the sins of his forefathers.I really don't understand why they didn't do that.
>>538215485>You don't wanna sound like Ian trying to get rid of the Sol Dimension to make Blaze hang out in the Chaos Dimension 24/7 because he doesn't want to bother writing around it.I still can't believe he said that. Sega gave him the keys to expanding on a whole setting that fans really wanted to SEE expanded on, and he can't be assed to bother. If I didn't see the youtube link, I'd reject the idea that he was that asinine.
>>538214645It's a bad idea cause the obvious question is: Who was the guardian before Knuckles and where is he now?Trying to make sense of Knuckles ruins the mystery. Logic doesn't work here.
>/sthg/ having the "They should Destroy the Master Emerald so Knuckles can be free to roam the world" talk AGAIN As Heroes, Shadow, 06, Lost World, Forces, and Frontiers have shown us, you do not need the Master Emerald to be a part of the plot for Knuckles to participate When the world is in trouble he comes down to help out. Simple as>BUTWhen his friends are in trouble he comes down to help out. Simple as>NO THAT'S NOT FAIR YOU MUSTWhen he wants to take a break he comes down for a bit. Simple as
Why the fuck are people in this general talking about anthropomorphic animals like it’s the FUCKING NBA
>>538215352That was 30 years ago, why can't the status quo change now? It's not like they've been doing anything cool with him since his debut.>>538215796I'm guessing they don't have the funds to give him his own spin-off
>>538215137The sword panel censorship is really getting out of hand.Also, implying Shadow wanting to kill a neutralized threat is OOC.https://youtu.be/S06KiRaKyxM?si=AJXD4WVz1lhm_9Wd
>>538215754Also to add, we’d get more retards like this >>538215258
>>538215796It's so weird to me that Knuckles's story in SA1 just kinda ends. He just shrugs "well I guess this is my duty" and goes back to guarding the emerald like nothing important happened.
>>538215596>Knuckles can't just guard the other emeralds?And that's all Knuckles is going to be? Guy who looks at rocks all day. Nah man, if he is tied to the ME, keep him on Angel Island.
>>538215861>Why are people in this general talking about things they like?>GRRR IT PISSES ME OFF THAT PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE FOR STUFF WHEN I'M NOTevery time
>>538215934I'm not saying he should look at rocks all day. I'm saying he should travel the world ensuring the chaos emeralds aren't misused.
>>538215853>Who was the guardian before Knuckles and where is he now?I'm not sure if there were guardians before Knuckles took it up as a duty - it could easily still be a new tradition. Still, if you wanted to expand on echidna stuff, could that not be the basis of its own adventure?
>>538215990you're autistic. passion isn't an excuse.
>>538215606>the same shit adventure did but worse for brownie pointsTbf, still better than anything else post-06
>>538215892>androidsSo much for that.
>>538215892>Posts non canon endings to prove a point about Shadow being in character KekROFL even
>>538216037>you're autisticWhat site do you think you're on?
>>538215861Sonic & Friends are my family and friends.
>>538214723Yyyyyyyup.
>>538215754>If 06 had succeeded that’s exactly what we would be staring at right now.I don't think this is true at all. Never forget that the game you are talking about went out of its way to make sure Tails and Knuckles are playable. It is also one of the few games that actually features Team Sonic working together (of course, the king of that is Heroes, which this game clearly also takes after)
>>538216138>non canon and does not happentrue>in charactertrue and that's the point
>>538215913It reeks of dev team politics to me. Who the hell starts a story with a question and then decides never to answer it? You didn't tell a story. SA1 is about Echidnas and Knuckles is the least relevant part of the whole plot. It's absolutely baffling. You can't tell me that was the plan from the start. Something happened there.
Amy Rose
>>538215882>That was 30 years ago, why can't the status quo change now? It's not like they've been doing anything cool with him since his debut.The only character to have their status quo change is Amy - and I'm still convinced there was political motives/pressure to it.
>>538216169Based Japs realized idw was a bad fanfic about Sonic and his butt buddy Silver.
>>538215913I kinda like that it ended like that
>>538216261is cute!!
>>538211368>they bully me>i then simp for sonicwow tails backstory sucks
>>538216182That same game also sidelines Tails and Knuckles at the climax so Pothead OC can go super at the end alongside the two other Saiyans hedgehogs
>>538216291What about Eggman?
>>538216001Nta but while I would love that, it's been clear that Sonic is just too good at everything and it would be best left to him. Sonic is faster and has no responsibilities, which makes it easier for him to travel far and wide. He's more in tune with the emeralds that he can go super with drained emeralds (SA1) and use fake ones to perform similar feats a real one grants (SA2)
>>538216437The only thing that's ever changed for him in the long run was a name.
>>538216017Non-sequitorNotice how in Sonic Chronicles, despite the expansion of the enchilada lore, nobody asked the question of who was guarding the Master Emerald before Knuckles. Or who his parents were. Sonic Adventure, same thing. The point of Knuckles is the mystery and any attempt at logic or explanation ruins it.To put it another way, remember what happened when Nintendo released an offical Zelda timeline? Yeah, big fucking mistake.
I'm not worried about Amy's nu personality at all.Once the Sonic 4 movie hits and gives us Amy that is feminine and openly likes Sonic, Sega will force Ian Flubb to change whatever fanfiction he's making for Amy into more like the movie versionIt happened with KnucklesIt happened with ShadowIt'll happen with Amy. So why complain? Why rage? Just sit back and await the immense butthurt from IDW in two years :)
>>538204610>literal dilation
>>538198036This guy is genuinely lame, I want my Japanese writer!
>>538216479There's no reason Knuckles can't also do it.
>>538208898Twitter convinced sonic team to make a eggman daughter, if you think there isnt atleast someone that is aware of the things that are beinh currently made for silver then you are delusional
>>538215512Here is the experiment.
>>538198336Haha lol good one
>>538216469This pic makes me realize how much i hate modern harley quinn since the 2010.
>>538216653Kek
someone compared you faggots to the comic book nerd from animaniacs but even that guy seemed like he had more going for him than you
>>538216581You're right. He can
>>538216738nu52 harleypool made WB tons of money but also give them their biggest failures
>>538215859>When his friends are in trouble he comes down to help out. Simple ashe can't do that it's ooc and shi- ACK
>>538216540I can't help but shake the feeling Fowler'll fuck it up somehow and we'll have to live with the damage.
>>538216428Okay but if their goal was to sabotage STK and get rid of it going forward why did they even bother including it at all? Why go through all the effort to make them playable and find an excuse to force them into the story? Why make promotional material for them? It just doesn't make sense. Heroes was a huge success and they wanted to keep them around. They also wanted to push new character because that's what they always do with new characters, so Silver gets to be in the climax. I really don't see how this would be indicative of Tails and Knuckles getting sidelined going forward after this one game (which is unfortunately what ended up happening for the complete opposite reason, people complaining about muh shitty friends)
>>538216653Post moar
>>538202152He's an Ally, without him none of this lgbtq+ stuff in the comic would be possible
>>538216540Pat Casey wants girlboss Amy.
>>538216891Fowler's hit it out of the part three times in a row I trust himThe only thing I don't like is him making Sonic act like a little kid but that's understandably the only way the movies could work
Bonjour.
>>538216540i think you are getting sonic simping for amy
>>538216859The fact that modern harley quinn is lucrative doesn't change the fact she became the worst batman character, And became a flanderized parody of herself.
>>538216540>being sure idw isn't going to fuck something up
>bestie
>>538217169Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations.
>>538206356The Hope is Pure and Virgin, respect that
>>538216920>Team STK>Team Dark>Team uhhh these threeNo wonder people thought Silver was gay
So what line in particular Silver and Sage had that sparked so much fanart again? I think I kinda remember it but I still don't understand why the world is like dominated by eggman stuff and silver has like homeless clothes, what's the headcanon in those pieces of art?
>>538217138The joker is way more of a severe case than harley, the last time in years where he acted like a clown was in the Sonic x DC crossover
>>538216898I always wonder if this place post something that is not associated with porn or sexual innuendos.
>>538217043I guess I reflexively ready for the worst because with female characters, it's a bit different. Girl writing in western media has been in the crapper for the past decade, and I've seen a number of people I thought infallible completely crap out on me.
>>538217235The only thing wrong with this team is that Blaze should lead it, not Silver.
>>538216428>>538216920bruv this was before 06
>>538217169Every time
>but if their goal was to sabotage-This is game development not special operations you autist
>>538217043>Fowler's hit it out of the part three times in a row I trust himHe's a Hollywood writer introducing a lead female character. You are FUCKED anon.
>>538207662Is that Jet the Hawk?That nigga has been on my mind. No cap, I been thinking about that time when I barebacked him raw in a Metal City Air BnB. That shit had to be the tightest, wettest bird bussy I've ever laid pipe into. I swear to God, the most heavenly high is gargling that wonderbird's nuts while going fist deep into his cloaca. I had Jet screaming in the sheets with head too ridiculous to ignore. That nigga frotted my cock until he busted on my mouth, I had to return the favor. That nigga Jet and I been fucking non-stop ever since, but keep that shit on the DL. He does that shit for free. If you're gonna ask me how to "long" Jet, I'll be deadass. All you gotta do is ask, be straight up, and get physical real quick. Touch his cloaca, get on ya knees, talk your shit. He doesn't play around with no pansy-ass niggas either. He likes his men manly, and his dick thick. Blue skin, 6'5 is the minimum and I ain't talking about height boy.That nigga Jet stole my heart and drank my seed
>>538217275Both are terrible for different reasons guys, but I agree on Harley sucking way worse in general.
>>538217293>The only thing wrong with this team isMarine is missing>Blaze should lead itMarine should lead it>>538217336Yes that's my point, up until that game Sonic Team was always trying their hardest to include Tails and Knuckles, and as many characters as they could. I don't see how Silver being popular would make them stop prioritizing Tails and Knuckles being playable when that was one of their highest priorities up to that point
>>538215518First attempt
>characters acknowledges story tropes as a way to subvert them Pls don't do that stuff Evan, it's obnoxious when characters in any medium do it
>>538217293Silver is like what happens when someone has a cool OC design but nothing else. No real worldbuilding/lore of his own, nothing he's given sticks besides his girlfriend, and they don't seem to really care to expand on him. You know there's something wrong when fucking SONICHU has more to him than an official character.
>>538217259https://x.com/Sage_VALE_/status/1960539128019501286
>>538217585>characters acknowledges story tropes as a way to subvert them Pls DO that stuff Evan, i LOVE IT and want all of the retards on /sthg/ to kill themselves
>>538217475i mean all the movies have been dogshit so far so i don't know what that anon is so hopeful about>>538217293>i want a bossgirlhomosexual
>>538217430To be fair to that anon, this is SegaSega has actively fucked over itself just to be petty.
>>538217567Tom Flynn!?Ian Cruise!?
>>538217703Blaze is royalty. Blaze is used to leading. Blaze should lead. Besides, Silver is practically a chick anyway. He's that much of a faggot.
>>538217235that blaze place would be perfect for a silver cast character...oh well fuck sega i guess
>>538208535>Tiny On-Model Sonic with tastefully off-model Amazonian SallyFuck why is this shit so hot
>>538217585So then why did Evan spoil the story on her blog?
>>538217754One thing is fucking over a coworker because you think hes gay (yuji naka) another is fucking over popular characters inside the game because anon said so
>>538217860It's not.
>>538217815>royaltyman made concepts silver only became a faggot once evan touched him in his prince parts and traumatized him because women shouldn't write sonic and women shouldn't lead
>>538217056This piece of art perfectly encapsulates the mid 00s. Truly legendary.
>>538217567THIS guy wrote House of Cards?!
>>538210169Yoo that's my picture man lol
>still malding about uwuverHe hasnt been like this for sometime now why are you guys still talking about this
>Silver starts firstSilv: "There is no Eggman Empire in my time. This is your chance to change your ways and become a force for good!",-Sage: "Your observation means I must work harder to ensure my father's vision becomes a reality.",---------------->Sage starts firstSage: "Your presence implies my father will succeed if not opposed. He will be pleased by this.",-Silv: "Don't use me to encourage that madman! I'll beat you today and prove just how hopeless your cause truly is!",
>>538217293She practically led him in 06 anyway and Silver has to be tard wrangled so sure why not
I'm not a huge Silver fan or anything like that by the way. I just don't understand how Silver existing or being popular threatens anything. Especially in the mid 2000s, when Sonic Team was always prioritizing the characters. Silver was just the latest addition, not a replacement for anything
>>538217987Wtf is this non-sequitur anon?
>>538217948Actually I was more so referring to SoJ fucking over Kalinske as much as possible as SoA would fail
>>538210169>stealing ideas from undertale
Second attempt
>>538217815>Blaze is royalty. Blaze is used to leading. Blaze should lead.why? she has no place in 06 Silver was soloing Iblis daily until she appeared because the sol emeralds love some trolling
>>538218131>>538217259
>>538217987Hot
>>538218131If the fanarts turned out to be real that would mean silver severally fucked his own future just by saying this to sage
>>538216291Amy's status quo rapidly chaged from SA1 to Heroes/Battle, I doubt Amy's changes were politically motivated.
>>538217987>because women shouldn't write sonic and women shouldn't leadSonic writers who fail at basic communication write characters that do the same.A woman (Evan) writing Sonic also ends up creating a complete mess, same as the female characters in the comic itself. How fitting.
>>538216920Because they were entrenched at that point, you can’t just get rid of them out of nowhere, you have to ease it along. And people started complaining about shitty friends because adding Silver truly felt like the tipping point of having too many friends
>>538218179The point is he sucked and we need to drop him already.
>>538218195DO NOT POST DELTA SHIT IN HEREYOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
>>538218264Because she's cooler than Silver.
>>538210169I like how silver is the reason why the ressistance got the phantom ruby but it was done so badly people just ignore it lol
/pol/monkey hours
>>538218285>silver severally fucked his own future just by saying this to sageThat's fucking stupid.
>>538215201I wish Soneggfag shippers had the same drawing quality as most Sonadow shippers
>>538218362Too bad, I'm posting Susie now
That's a pretty busted ability, if only it absorbed something different
>>538218450Silver is stupid, yes. See why he needs Blaze?
>>538218305Silver, Blaze, Tails and Amy are all badly written female characters
>>538212691>>538213235beautiful, tear inducing, you should write sonic sometime>>538213942classic satam boomer autist
>Day 3458 of /sthg/ complaining about Ian and Evan and going "I'm telling you, the comic is going to be cancelled ANY day now"
>>538218349>the point is he appeared in a bad game at first and [seethe] cope i guess? it was not even his fault but SEGA own fuckery
>>538217980>I’m Ian Flynn?
Cream the Marine
>>538218553
>>538217518>when Tails and Knuckles are included in the climax, they only get cuck bubbles controlled by Sonic>when Shadow and Silver are included in the climax, they get to go super and fight as equals alongside SonicGee I wonder how ST really feels
>>538217509Jet being homo is something I could get behind.
>>538218362Ok
>>538218510Silver and Tails are BOYSBOYS I TELL YOU
>>538218470Elaborate? Is the one I posted badly drawn?
>>538218490the coloring in STC is so nice
She's beauty and she's graceShe'll bite off your faceHas sex with FangMakes the best pancakes
>>538217976>let me tell you what makes you hornyNigga what
>>538218450And yet the fanart is pouring in because for the first time in a long time, Silver doing something in the past has created problems for him which he must now fix in the future which is the most interesting thing to happen for the hedgehog since his creation
>>538218674cute lizard
>>538218450Thats how non fixed timelines work, and no one wants him to have a fixed timeline
>>538218683You heard me.
>>538218490sovl more balls than any other comic
>>538218658No
>>538218698Nothing is ever going to come from this anon
>>538218285That just makes him a moron and the solution would be killing him so I'm kind of half and half if it means I won't ever have to see this faggot ever again
>>538218335>you can’t just get rid of them out of nowhereThey could. And they they did. Dimps did it with Rush, and then Sonic Team did it with Unleashed right after. And then Sonic 4 Episode 1. Tails at least was in the cutscenes, Knuckles was barely around after thatI think Sonic Team also planned to give them their own stories in 2006. Or at least apparently they tried to make a Tails story DLC at one point, before reducing it to Team Attack Amigo. All of this coming out right after Heroes (and even Shadow 2005 having the characters in each stage), as well as trying to find ways to include Tails and even Amy (in multiplayer) in SA2 when it would have been simpler to just remove them from the game and make things more streamlined. None of this tells me they wanted to "ease it along", it tells me they wanted to keep introducing more and more characters while also not wanting to compromise>And people started complaining about shitty friends because adding SilverNo, that was already happening since Sonic Adventure>>538218349That has nothing to do with what I said
If sonic the comic stucked around for more time we would have anti-StC fags here melting down daily just like archie and IDW>b-b-b-butYou know im right
>>538218943already on a melty? is this because you feel cucked or something schizoid?
>>538218943Without him the future goes to shit dumbass
>>538218954>it tells me they wanted to keep introducing more and more characters while also not wanting to compromiseThat’s even more stupid
>>538218938I'm not saying it is anon. I'm saying the fandom is sucking that line dry until blood comes out because it was interesting on many levels above anything else involving Silver
>>538219002184 issues anon
>>538218179>I just don't understand how Silver existing or being popular threatens anything.just classic NIGGERS hating on anything that isn't green hill robotnik and sonic again even after they got their shitty nostalgia pandering that lasted a whole decade>>538218623>jet the competitive chud is gay!fags stop looking for characters to turn gay challenge impossible
Why do Shadowfags antagonize SIlver so much?
>>538218943>>538218698>>538218498You "people" are retarded. Sage didn't even exist in the future and a throwaway line from Silver suddenly makes Sage empress of the future?
Uh oh the silverfagboys are having a melty at my truth nukes again
>>538219158How would you know? He wouldn't be there to see it.
>>538218870>TearsSega would never allow this.
I want to fuck Lunar and right when I cum he yells "ABRA CADABRA!" and a smoke bomb appears and when it disappears I'm cumming inside of Knuckles
>>538218374Girlbosses are lame. Blaze is lame.
>>538219192Barely anything compared to archie
>>538219208That's what the fan artists are doing. Go take it up with them
>>538218807sexo>>538219231sexo, also can't tell if you'd want that outcome or if it's meant to be ridiculous
>>538219208Him saying that they didn't exist would change her whole thought process going forward so that she would always ensure the empire would thrive. It's called a butterfly effect retard.
>>538219225sega allows tears all the time because it beats them being too expressive or angry or whatever bullshit cause showing emotions is problematic
>silversperg right now are you going to shoot a place one day because silver exist schizo?
>Day 247 of /sthg/ complaining about Sega not properly using Silver and going "I'm telling you, Sega is sitting on a potential 10 million unit solo Game. Year of Silver!"
>>538218374Clowns are lame. The Joker is lame.
>>538219173Maybe, Sonic 2006 shows they couldn't really handle it anymore. Perhaps they had gotten overambitious by that point. Still, as someone who likes the characters, who likes getting new characters, and who likes the characters being used... I'm a part of the audience, it's not up to manage their projects. What they were doing is what I want from this series. The point is, I don't feel threatened by Silver and I never have. I don't understand why anyone is. It was AFTER that game failed that they gave up on using the characters, a complete change in direction that wasn't needed at all
*enters room**spanish jingle plays*
>>538219231Why Knuckles?
>>538219491Shut it Batsy
>>538219498>a complete change in direction that wasn't needed at allWith how badly everyone played in 06 it absolutely was needed.
>>538219367>can't tell if you'd want that outcome or if it's meant to be ridiculous
>>538219208>Hey did i just catch you having funKILL YOURSELF
>>538219324and? how is that ammount small?sounds that you are suicidal because people jutify hate archieshit and they like STCSTC fanbase is also amazing
>>538219613Not really. They didn't need to remove almost all characters. They could have done a game focusing a reduced set of characters, and then a couple years later they could have done another game focusing on another set of characters. This way they could have kept using all the characters they wanted to use without needing to force themselves to include as many as possible in every single game
>>538219636>You now realize Evan didn't even hate that "backstory" planned at all and was just trying to dangle a carrot
>>538219665>B-B-B-B-BUT Concession accepted
>>538219225(me)>>538219405Sorry, should have clarified. >Sonic's tears in full viewSega would never allow a Western writer to do this nowadays.
>>538219531You don't want to cum in this?
>>538219770Every character you excluded would have made someone complain, like how originally Tails wasn't in SA2 but fan backlash made them change it
>>538219498I dunno if you anons didn't grow up during the period when 06 was out or just forgot it somehow but Unleashed ditching most of the cast and letting Sonic only be playable was an absolute godsend back in 2008. The franchise absolutely needed to do that back then
>>538219498Continually adding new characters will always lead to throwing away or dismissing old ones, that’s just the practicality of it
>>538219529Watch out for horny sungazers
>>538219636>You now realize The Joker didn't even hate that "backstory" planned at all and was just trying to dangle a bat
Soon it will the year of the Zeti.
. If Sonic Team can't handle making a good game with lots of friends then they shouldn't be allowed to until they get their shit together. Unfortunately it was proven later that Sonic Team couldn't do that until Colors because people were annoyed by Chip and the werehog
>>538219890Also adding new characters when the current ones are under used just leads to more drama that needn't exist
>>538219225Sega allowed Shadow to cry like a bitch
This experiment is not working as well as I hoped and I am disappointed because I got an earlier experiment to work.
i don't want to hear that sonic is not like shonen because one thing that shonen have is that they sometimes play favorites and some characters end like a waste.
>>538219879>Every character you excluded would have made someone complainSure, it would be like that at first, and then they'd be relieved a few years later when their favorite character gets a prominent role in the new game>but fan backlash made them change itThere is no proof of this>>538219882I'm not talking about public perception. There were other ways they could have handled it. I don't even mind what Unleashed did by the way, I find it more concerning that they kept doing it until The Final Horizon>>538220043>when the current ones are under usedWasn't the case in the mid 2000s
>>538220258>There's no proof of thisShut up it's an inspiring story, the fans took charge and one day we too can become Ian Flynns of the world. You are all guilty. Look at our reception. We have now ascended
>>538219613almost like the game was rushed and send to die with tons of cut content...the xbox demo was legit good and people got hyped because of that alone
>>538219231>>538219852Sissy lil gay boy, Knuckle is the one who CUMS inside you
>>538220624Ariem is so lucky
I mean, maybe I'm not expressing myself well here. They went from the overambitious "let's try to include as many characters as possible in every single game" to the defeated "let's ignore all our characters for 2 decades". That's an extreme overcorrection. They should have found some middle ground>>538220612The demo is just a much glitchier version of Sonic's Kingdom Valley. Which to be fair is indeed one of the most fun and enjoyable parts of the game. Of course they wouldn't make a demo out of town missions or Shadow's boring combat and broken vehicle mechanics
I can't believe it was Silver that was the last straw to having more shitty friends and deeper stories after beating up Sonic, losing his girlfriend for no reason, and then getting to be super best buddies with Super Sonic after a hard day of nothing
>>538220974>>538220974>>538220974
>>538220201You tried
>>538212934Silver is not a new character, he’s 20 years old.
