>>538271876 #
I don't understand why it's Chaos vs Chaos instead of good old Dreadnought assault.

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Remember to keep your firing finger toasty with a proper Imperial mitten.

>>538347346
because the loyalist dreadnought has a different weapon config

Ironically enough the game is easier with bots who can tank almost anything, have infinite ammo and can be revived infinitely. I beat the newest mission on absolute with bots.

>>538347378
A glove for your glove that goes over your glove.

>>538347508
Primaris were a mistake

>>538347548
Depends on the bot. You get Heavy bot and you've got a TF2 Engi sentry on your team. You get an Assault bot and you're on a -1 handicap.

>>538347605
Classic GW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSxQnZ3TM8

>>538347939
I got heavy and tac for that mission and the heavy just peppered the termies with the heavy bolter. It's funny to watch them fire their gay missiles at and see it do zero damage.

>>538347872
yes and no, helbrutes get a thunder hammer, which is not normal for a dreadnought

>>538347548
They also have infinite HP. If you sit anywhere with no enemies (spots with no spawns work too like in-between zones), the AI will regen back to full after a moment.

>>538347548
Players suck. I don't blame them because SM2 is a convoluted shitshow of a game that is poorly made, poorly balanced and filled with idiosyncrasies. It should have just been no classes, no leveling, guns that work and feel good, melee that isn't gunstrike fishing and simple.

>>538347378
>one of the cost saving measures taken during the horus heresy was removing all temperature control from new power armor
>arcane technology even cawl was unable to recreate, venerable crusade-era suits of mark IV armor are much sought after for its AC system

>>538348126
unironically the best combination of bots followed by heavy/bulwark
heavy is best bot hands down because he its still straban, he parks himself somewhere and shoots
tac is pretty good to have because he will behave similarly, but just a little worse, but its still tac and still will auspex things, so that's useful
bulwark plants his flag at awful times, but its still the flag, so eh, at least it something
assault groundpounds consistently enough to be kind of helpful once in a blue moon
vanguard is just flat out useless
sniper is absolute dead weight, bot sniper's fusil does less damage than an equal tier bolt pistol, he does not take aggro, does not use cloak, he will just go down and distract whatever other bot you have into reviving him
and they're all just inferior to playing true solo because they add to spawn rates and never take any aggro, but still easier than playing with braindead randoms

>failed the hard strategem right at the final button press because fuckin neurothrope arrived right after an extremis spawn with the final wave of gaunts
holy shit that was a lot of dude and our heavy did less ranged damage than me

I got a N-2 error after the Vanguard tanked the Vortex Beast's lasers.

>>538343148
2/3 5ZKYA

>>538347378
Is it possible to have both hands wearing the glove

>>538343839
>>If you can't kill a boss, yes
You aren't just fighting a boss at that point. You're fighting the boss plus the several hundred nids you have in tow.
A carnifex is one thing, but a carnifex while there are 2 lictors (one of them immortal), 2 zoanthropes, a biovore, and a million ranged nids scattered in every direction while every inch of the floor is covered in barbs is another.
Further, if the guard camp and refinery don't go quickly, you're dragged into a long and draining fight because you cannot simply continue to roll around in such a small area while the game maxes out its enemy counter. Gaunts are solid objects as well, so they absolutely can bodyblock you and all rolling does is roll you up against them. You'll get through after a few seconds when the model clash slowly shifts everything around, but that's a few seconds you spend getting peppered by devourers.

There is so much luck involved in this that even people who haven't spent hours trying it like I just did can see it.

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>>538349260
Yes.

>>538349316
So restart and do it without a boss. Don't know what to tell you anon, I've done this with and without bosses. There is not as much luck as you're pretending there is.

Best thing about heroic weapon is that timit let you level up weapons without having to use a gray/blue/purple weapons

>>538349492
That looks so incredibly out of place.

>>538349316
>one of them immortal
they really need to make the immortal one look different from a normal lictor if its going to keep showing up in tyranid missions
make it a neurolictor or something

>>538349603
Best thing about heroic weapons is you don't have to use them being the gimped worse versions of what we've already got

Do you get blue coins from re-doing stratagems? Or is this a one and done thing?

They did increase the occulus carbine's headshot multiplier recently did they not? I'm actually quite happy using this thing over the regular bolt carbine, quite a lot more flexibility.

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The minigun looks really weird on this thing.

>>538350643
because its mini

I fucking hate console players so fucking much

>>538350231
you cannot be paid multiple times per strategem

Stratagems are the worst thing to happen to this game and are exactly like Auric/Maelstrom difficulties (not even Havoc yet).
Stratagems are the best thing to happen to this game and are exactly like Auric/Maelstrom difficulties (not even Havoc yet).

>>538351195
Yes Saber do suck at game design, skill issue indeed

>prestige 1 lvl 15 xbox heavy trying to do hard weekly
its almost comical how dead weight he is

>>538349852
Yeah it's a cosmetic that only works in very, very specific circumstances.

Can you clear multiple kill 9 enemies with one class requirements in a single PvP match? I was just one shy of confirming it myself.

>>538350487
Occulus is currently my favorite vanguard weapon. Able damage + tip of the spear = dead majoris in 2 seconds.

>>538351317
skill issue

>>538350953
Auric Maelstrom is pretty easy compared to Strategem Hard

>>538352465
Math issue

>>538353131
HRT issue

>>538350487
Accuracy Bolt Rifle
Damage Stalker
Marksman Bolt Carbine
Accuracy Instigator Bolt Rifle
Damage Bolt Sniper Rifle

These are all weapons I can think of that got chunky headshot bonuses ranging between x2 to x2.7.

>>538353190
Sounds like tranny shit which I am sure you know about

>>538353359
guess you're the expert

I tried regular Operations after going hard on Stratagems and immediately ran into retards. Exfiltration in particular is a retard magnet with players losing their way constantly and just delaying everything. Its almost as if they want to fight wave after wave and waste my time. Like just run brother, you don't have to kill absolutely everything you see.

I'm giving up, I can't do the weekly.

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>>538349224
Welp. Ggz.
Many the attempt was made. Courageous and blood soaked our spirits were.

I can finally larp as a marine from the hammers of dorn in the face of the smurf menace.

>>538353517
I think this is the first time in any coop game ever, where I don't enjoy playing with randoms. And ive played every coop game you can imagine.

>>538349492
I love it. I just wish it wasn't locked to fucking vanguard and sniper.

I can't wait for the next weekly to be vortex, with reduced ranged damage and an immortal sorcerer.

>Hero pistol is a burst fire that deals less damage than the HBP
>Hero dagger gets 75% more damage per dodge, less damage than a block dagger
>Hero rifle is attached to a whiffle bat bolter
>Hero sword forces you to spam one (1) attack on repeat
>Hero chainsword buffs your fucking heavy attacks of all things and the worst of the moveset at that
I would cry if this wasn't so hilariously funny that not one of these is well designed at all.

>>538353615
Dont worry anon, you can just play the lower difficulties!
>5 per mission
Oops! Fuck you!

t. Saber

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>>538353872
It baffles me how trash people are. I thought I was average as fuck until I did some casual Ruthless and saw people struggling there as Pres2+ 25 characters.

>>538355036
You get 150 for the normal weekly though?

>>538355485
A cosmetic costs 200, a weapon 300. Thats 2 missions, or 2 weeks, to get 1 fucking item. Saber are greedy as shit jews.

>>538354751
I have yet to see anyone using any of them. Everyone is just buying armour.

Shame the Vortex Beast is locked to his level like the hive tyrant, I'd like to be surprised by one during a mission.

>>538356302
If you do every daily by the ned of the second week you can buy 3 things.
Get to it.

>>538355036
At 5 you should be able to repeat the damn mission. Why do they so desperately want to treat this game like a f2p when it comes to the time investment they ask of you?

>>538356404
It's far too powerful to be a terminus.

>>538356334
I would not feel comfortable using any of them in the difficult Hard stratagems. Maybe the Xenophase, but the rest are pure gimmick weapons. I'm buying the helmet as soon as they roll over in an hour, I'll buy the weapons when they inevitably get buffed.

>>538356404
He wouldn't be as fun since he has a lot of arena specific moves but yeah I had hoped that it'd show up as a random boss.

>>538356645
What if it was slightly smaller?

>>538356569
Fallacy of success. SM2 had a profitable launch, they think they know what they're doing even though this is one of the worst post release supported games on the market right now.

>>538356334
Pretty much this >>538356695

None of them are stronger than what we have already and bringing them would be a detriment. Plus none of them add anything "fun" anyway.

>>538356867
I wouldn't call it poor post support release. They could have easily not make more content. They did OK for year one. Coming from darktide this is far better as a year one post release support.

>>538356771
They would more or less need to also remake it's entire moveset, it's pretty insane even for an end level boss as it is.

>>538357009
>Coming from darktide this is far better as a year one post release support.
Darktide did a complete revamp in the first year and added far more than SM2 has over its entire life so thats a bad example.

>>538357076
Oh well, at least it's mission is simple and pretty.

>>538356334
I used the chainsword for one mission and came to the conclusion 1 speed is basically unusable, just as it was on other weapons.

>bulwark shield charge does more stagger than a melta bomb

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>>538357359
>chain stuns all bosses
Saber going to throw these bullshit unfun missions at me im going to throw my unfun bullshit shield at them

>>538357089
True. They did rework the skill tree and the weapon refine system near the end of year one but checking the update history you will see that it took several months of complete silence until these major changes took place. Meanwhile SM2 had monthly updates that kept attention. I also haven't forgotten how the game went radio silent after december of 2023 for 3 months.

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Version_History

>>538357089
Space marine 3 is going to get reds before that fucking game.
They might even make space marine 2 reds not useless shit before darktide gets reds.

redpill me on the combi-bolter. I'm sure it's not good enough for Absolute+ stratagems but is it at least fun.

>>538358152
You have to zoom in to use the meltagun.
It is not well designed.

>>538358152
It's a bolter with a melta rifle attached to it

>>538358152
All the flaws of a bad bolter combined with all the flaws of a even worse melta. The nade version is in every way superior.

>>538358152
It's kind of meh but not unusable

When do the weekly strats restart? The in-game timer is bugged

>>538359358
works on my machine

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>>538360001
t minus negative 59 minutes

>>538360075
Lol as I posted it, it updated
>Max HP -75%
>Increased Minors, less majors
Annoying but not impossible, boss fight is going to suck ass though.

>>538360326
Bring yer melta boys

My timer still says two hours before the weekly stratagem?

>>538357359
>can consistently one shot majoris
>blocks while charging
>can cancel recovery by blocking
>staggers everything in the game that can be staggered
>has AoE and mows through minoris
>huge range and speed

And this is all without any fucking perks. With perks you can boost the damage by like 65%+ and get immunity to knockback. Bulwark was already tied for best class with heavy. Why does bulwark keep getting everything handed to them constantly? Is one of the devs a bulwark main and they just let him do whatever?

>>538361765
>Is one of the devs a bulwark main and they just let him do whatever?
This is 100% whats happening, because hes the most OP class by far

>trying to get in the inferno strat before it closes
>literally only shitters playing it
i'm not amazing myself but holy fuck

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Holy shit I finally beat it. Two japanese guys, one spoke a little english, I told them to run from the neuro when we got to the top of the elevator, and after that it was a cake walk. Jesus we got so lucky. EMPEROR BE PRAISED.

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I don't even know if it's intentional that melta bombs can teamkill.

>>538362545
that's not a teamkill. you just killed yourself. All grenades can stun other people. Only you can kill yourself with your grenade. Caveat: if you shoot a melta that someone else placed it counts as yours and can damage you instead of them.

People just don't know how to be VIP and it's so frustrating. They are keep panicking and running off when VIP is supposed to do the opposite and stay in the fight to maintain shield and regaining contested health. If the VIP is running, everyone else has to fight and take damage, but VIP can't regain it back and just die. I literally try to chase down a VIP and give him heal banner but fucker just keep running while the other guy is full sending and funneling the damage to him.

>>538362839
If my teammate's melta bomb killed me, it's a teamkill.

>>538363048
how many concurrent attacks in >>538217072 ?

>finished both weeklies first go
Damn if only ANY of these weapons were worth it

>>538363413
It looks like three or four? What?

>>538362440
been like this the whole week

>>538362839
That wasn’t his melta bomb baaaaaaaka
I got killed last night on Inferno by another dude’s melts when I had frags equipped, it’s definitely possible

>300 spent on the sword
>Its worse than the Fist in every single way
You mother fuckers

>>538354751
Knife should have been the one to get the pugilist trait, adding in chainsword punch and kick moves to replace some of its heavies. Chainsword should have replaced its hand to hand moves with more swings instead, maybe do an equivalent exchange and put some knife heavy 360 spins into its moveset instead. It is a chainblade with both ends exposed so why isn't it the option which focuses on using the blade?

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It has underwhelming performance but the look more than makes up for it.

>>538363517
these are definitely people who have never even touched lethal, let alone absolute or hard siege
shit should not be that hard, the only actual downside is the lictor and extra health scaling but holy shit

GW must be seething in the backrooms that most everyone prefers to wear the old angry faces and beakies, enough that said helmets are placed as valuable items that must be earned above and beyond playing the normal game (paid DLC, Twitch drops, now Stratagems).

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>heavy bolt pistol shooting it
>heavy bolter shooting it
>bolt carbine shooting it
>still doesn't stagger out of alert
>on normal
Thank you for this well designed enemy saber.

Is the health scaling only affecting Hard Stratagems or also Normals?

>it's a vanguard nigger zipping ahead then take take enough damage to kill me as VIP bulwark TWICE and I don't even have enemy to recover since he is so far ahead

>>538364780
The Prims have sold more than the older marines designs by magnitudes.

>>538364780
They’ll bring it back and make billions, it’s the New Coke strategy, tested and true

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Yuckers

>>538362545
Your fire set off that melta. Whoever sets it off will be killed by it. Funnily enough the detonator does 1 damage to trigger the melta bomb.

>>538364780
good old tactical marines remain a best selling staple in most LGSs for a reason

>>538365757
Reminder: Stims heal a % of hp, not a flat amount

>>538363496
Xenophase and honourific bolt pistols are both solid.

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https://streamable.com/g2inik
https://streamable.com/xq90z2
The heavy bolter sounds so much better when it's someone else. It sounds so clinky when I'm using it, I hate it.
The heavy bolt rifle sounds fine in personal use so I have no idea why the heavy bolter sounds so fucking different and shit in personal use.

>>538365873
I know what set off the melta bomb, I know how the melta bomb works.
I don't know if saber intends that your melta bomb can kill teammates.

>>538365757
Flamers and meltas. Just don't engage in melee.

>>538366120
It's just slav jank. Whoever sets off the bomb becomes the owner of the bomb. Now I'll be sure to grief my flamer using friends.

>>538366349
Its not even that clean. I've had an idiot sniper drop a melta charge right in front of me while I was diring my melta and it killed both of us.

>>538365757
Sounds great though. Bring all ranged classes, keep shooting alongside the little guys. Do they spawn in the final arena?

>>538366432
Well I've never been killed by my own melta when someone else set it off. Could be something to test out.

>>538364016
>reading comprehension

>>538365757
>maximum health reduced by 75%
do they mean the healthbar or the actual number? is damage reduction changed accordingly, or do you just start with damage reduction already in place?

>get grazed by a devourer burst
>100 to 0 health immediately
It's fucking bad enough with full health.

>>538365405
They would have done it by now. It's been almost 10 years, dude. OG stuff is spat on by GW.

>>538366468
no, none in the boss arena but some everywhere else
not a strict benefit since they aggro everything the moment you load into an area but you can rock with a squad's worth of dudes
fencing weapons for parry spam and strong ranged options because spore mines don't give a fuck about armor like melee does

>>538366773
Probably just a 0.25x multiplier to your hp. Not sure how'd it work with the bulwarks hp. Probably additive so you get 45% hp. You have 15*0.25 = 3.75 real hp...

>beating on hard doesn't count as beating it on easy
fuck off you managed to not have this problem on WWZ
>>538366773
actual number, your healthbar is still 4 pips and you still get some damage reduction at the end so you're not one shot by a venom cannon (like would probably be loreful) but not enough that you can't get your ankles nibbled to death
there are less roaming majoris but still a decent amount who show up in waves and still extremis spawns
bulwark armor regen, one flamer, and one mid ranged gun for the large amount of termagaunts that will plague the area

>elevator terminal won't activate so the mission is just softlocked
SABER
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

just force cancel a mission if some fucking neanderthal is standing in their battle barge for three hours oh my fucking god

Newfag here. Is playing with randoms worth it if I have no friends who play this game? Is there any common courtesies I should know about?

>Doing hard stratagem daily, 4 positive modifiers.
>Joined and suddenly there is a hidden immortal lictor + ulti not recharge modifiers.
>Also sometime gunstrike and range attack aren't recovering contested health
This is freaking bullshit.

>>538367124
haha get fucked, shouldn't have run from the terminus like a little bitch

>>538367750
there was no terminus

>>538367646
>Is there any common courtesies I should know about?
there's no friendly fire in the game. so when a teammate is overrun with enemies, throw a grenade to help him out. if you don't have grenades, you can also shoot nearby barrels.
When a friend is low on health and meleeing an enemy be sure to join in and melee that enemy too to ensure a faster kill.

>>538367646
Don't throw grenades at your teammates, there is soft friendly fire.

>>538367750
No, on Extermination the very first elevator into the facility will be stuck for some reason. Happened to me earlier tonight.

>>538368620
>extermination
Exfiltration, excuse me.

>first try on this week's Hard mode
>both teammates down on the very first pack of enemies
impressive. I left immediately

>>538368620
I've had this happen as well.

>>538367646
Yes. Look at the left for your teammates Armour and hp. Make sure before you grab a kill (unless you REALLY need it) your mates don't need Armour. Don't be a finisher gretchin

>>538367124
Fun fact, if you are playing solo with bots, the bots won't go into the elevator.

Hasn't there been a PROS limited time unlock the week after the past couple of updates? Think we'll get one this weekend?

Who is the retard that thought warhammer40k needed a generic unkillable lictor
I don't play 40k so that I can not kill shit

>>538368307
If I'm surrounded I 100% consider it griefing if you throw a bomb on me
Because grenades (except shock nade) all stagger the space marine and cancel parries, and maintaining armor is way more important than a grenade to fuck up my timing

>>538367273
What exactly is it with retards on PlayStation
>Permanently leave their mic on
>Always but buddies who are looking for an excuse to kick you
>Always with the black and red 12yo fashion sense

>>538371574
playstation gamepads have builtin mics. most people probably don't know they are there.

>>538371312
The problem with the implementation isn't that it is unkillable, it is that it acts like a normal Lictor adding to the enemy dogpile that must be damaged enough to chase away, instead of it doing a few attacks and then bailing regardless of damage dealt. As a stage hazard it is doing both things wrong.

It's so hard to stagger the neurothrope with the power axe.

>>538364313
Knife should have had super fast shadow stab charging or something, or invis while charging shadow stab with a small cooldown to balance it out. 75% damage buff ONLY on the first light attack is terrible, that attack does fucking 3 damage or something.

>>538372991
well yeah its in the air

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After 5 attempts of the current hard stratagem I'm spent
>75% hp means you relax for 1 second you get chipped to nothing by ranged
>increased minors means the shitty ranged gaunts are a death reliable death threat
>also means if you mistime boss dodge / parry you're dead
>few majoris means you can't synapse the giant hordes of minoris
>also means your supply of reliable armor restores is cut off
>also means you can't cut down the respawn timer on your teammates

Whoever designed this obviously didn't test it, didn't think it through, and needs to be put through a wall

Oh and I think the total HP reduction almost entirely negates the hidden system of damage reduction when you're on low health.

>>538375736
i beat it on my first attempt with randos
its not fun but its doable

>>538375736
you just melee execute minoris enemies, or parry hormagaunts

>>538375967
thx

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>>538371461

>>538373420
Apparently they've fucked up the code so it applies on all attacks anyways
It's still worse than block knife since it requires a harder input, the bonus only lasts for one attack, and the damage total is just barely below the block knife's

Any codes for the new hard stratagem or does no one play in Asia/Aussie hours anymore and I have to wait for Yuros and burgers a few hours from now?

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>>538375736
That was even worse than the last weekly, if it's ever chaos I'm probably just not going to try.
After probably more attempts than that and making it to the trygon like 3 times I managed it with some absolute brand battle brothers. They went down plenty but I couldn't have done it without them.
I was decimus-tier angry literally the entire time and one of them didn't immediately know we needed to kill the neurothrope to advance but they pulled through and we parted ways with much rejoicing.
The armor on grapple ability is a must have and if anyone else says otherwise you can eat all the dick in the world.
Now I will celebrate by purchasing a useless heroic weapon that's worse than the preceding relic weapons.

>>538375736
It's not too bad, I managed to get to Trigon first try with randos but lost because they couldn't fucking break a single tunnel while I broke two and got swamped looking for another meta bomb.

>>538377692
>one of them didn't immediately know we needed to kill the neurothrope to advance
Seeing a whole lot of people who have never touched absolute before obviously not prepared for hard mode. I'm not sure how much more forgiving normal is but surely for only 50 credits less they can accept they aren't ready.
>decimus-tier angry literally the entire time
People finally starting to understand why big nig is completely relatable.

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>>538375736
>Was online when it popped
>Went into the normal mode
>We rushed through the map, no deaths, no issues
>Didn't even ask, host loaded up hard and we went in
>Ran through it, no issues except one guy left and got replaced but still won
It was piss easy. But the secret was having a Tact who used his scan perfectly, a heavy with plasma who was an absolute fucking aimbot champion and me just one tapping everything including chunking the bosses HP with fist.

>>538371263
Saber and Pros have separated, probably because its a fucking stupid system and no one wants to engage in this stupid third party bullshit.

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I think my mistake was sticking with the same team for all of the attempts because they simply were not good enough. I played extremely tight, especially on the last few runs. They both died in the trigon arena leaving me with 300 sec respawn timers while the trigon was already down to 30% health.

I never said it's not doable but it is incredibly unnecessarily hard and you're also bound by terminus and extremis RNG.

>>538378316
If a team fails you fucking leave anon and find another

>>538378267
>>538376075
The secret is having good teammates with good builds. Thank you for your input brothers. You have given me much to think about.

>>538378473
>You have given me much to think about.
well? cosidering NOONE posts codes anymore, people haven't thinked about it enough.

>>538378707
there were codes posted in the previous thread though im not sure if they were successful

>>538378762
you don't understand. we used to have codes posted nonstop for hours, sometimes 2-3 lobbies going in parallel.

>>538378832
that's just the playerbase and interest dwindling down

>>538378832
Nta but once you're done, there is no reason to do those missions again. Saber are retards, imagine putting in ANOTHER mode while you have a dying player base.

>>538378473
pretty much
my first try on last weeks weekly we made it all the way to the final hold before a neurothrope spawn layered poorly with other shit and we wiped except in reality it was just me and an the assault doing shit, our heavy had less ranged damage than i did as bulwark and hoovered up every stim to waste them immediately instead of waiting for my banner
If your RNG isn't too shit or its not too hard of a week you really only need one competent teammate and not even too OP of a build.
But if you desire somewhat reliable teammates then you should poast codes closer to peak hours and someone will fill in

Rapid health might be the play here friends. Also ranged damage reduction.

>>538380096
THERE IS A SINGLE, CORRECT BUILD FOR EACH CLASS AND I AM NOT GOING TO PLAY SUBOPTIMALLY

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>>538376075
>its not fun but its doable
nta but that's the sentiment I have about this game's higher difficulties. Like I do them to get the things and then try to avoid them afterwards.
I like Darktide's Havoc, but that goes into unfun at around lvl30 as well.
I don't really like how weak I feel as a space marine.

>>538379635
Well, inferno is a harder mission on absolute/stratag hard because of the guaranteed 2 boss spawn. Once you get through those 2 boss spawn, you basically pass the main hurdle. The boss spawn can be early or late in the level.
Field boss is much harder than mission boss for this difficulty because they summon mobs twice and also come with an extremist pair. Mission boss like trygon is a breeze compared to field boss.
The modifier might be tougher this week though so you better have good armor regain perks and set up.

>>538380181
You are way beyond space marine's strength in space marine 2 though. You are borderline primarch level with the shit you pull, especially at high difficulty.

Just cleared my hard Stratagem weekly because the Carnifex charged off a cliff and killed itself at the start of the fight. Thank you based Emperor for this blessing.

>>538380650
That can happen? Which cliff?

>>538380829
It can spawn in the room where you retrieve the brain, on Exfiltration. Technically it's not a cliff, it went over the railings into the chasm below.

>>538380454
I don't care about lorescaling, BL writers certainly don't, neither do the codex writers.
I do care, however, about random 1/2-shots and my character feeling incredibly weak.

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This helmet is worth the points, looks great.

>Assault who don't scan the boss
What is wrong with you

>>538381251
Tactical*

>>538381005
I wonder if charging off the rooftop in inferno causes it to die instantly too or would it keep shooting from the bottom and eventually jump back again. It would be extremely funny.

>>538381251
I'm on cooldown.
I missed.
The boss glitched through the auspex.
There was also a sm1 grog here who believed auspex didn't belong on tactical and wouldn't use it.

>>538381227
now they need to release a clean one so I can play as a grunt rather than pretend to be a company ancient or a chapter master.

>>538380454
The problem being enemies are both extremely durable and hit much harder compared to you.
It makes the space marines in this game feel like they're using BB guns and cosplay armor when we should feel at least comparable to a warrior in raw stats.

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>stratagem hard
>neuro spawns before brain area
>shitters die
>shitter 1: just run
>mfw

This map is easier than the first one, it's also easy to die from ranged Termagaunts and for whatever reason there's a fuckton of them on this map.

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>Do normal
>Don't take a single point of health damage
>Do hard
>Get 100-0'd by gaunts during a gunstrike animation
Jesus fucking christ.

>>538382516
It's set to absolute difficulty, so on top of the -75% hp strategm mod you also get hit by absolute's -70% hp mod.

Died 5 times to gaunts alone, not a lot of Extremis

>>538371263
Seems likely, the phobos helmet and the fancy beakie helmet have both been shown off in dev blogs so probably one of the other coming up and the remaining one a month down the line. Fingers crossed for beakie

>>538377395
Eh it’s a decent chunk better then, dodge into shadow stab isn’t too hard to pull off. Main thing is non block knife just has no fucking stagger power at all, feels rough to use. Very disappointing all around with the heroic weapons, besides the plasma cannon, that thing actually seems like a solid side grade.

>>538380096
Ranged damage reduction should always be taken because it actually stacks with no diminishing returns unlike other sources of damage reduction. Very strong just not flashy

>>538382648
It’s absolute but with siege 20 plus damage and enemy HP, running regular absolutes after a strat game makes it very apparent. Hope they change it because that’s a bit much on top of the modifiers, high siege is very unfun

>>538383509
It caps at 95% but otherwise yeah it's super strong. Having health damage reduction will also help with chip damage though

>>538383704
Is it practical to reach the cap? Guessing you can only hit it with some of the “while light attacking” weapon perks which I usually skip since light spam isn’t very good on any weapon

At what level and with what class should a newfag attempt the normal weekly stratagem? My only leveled classes are a level 15 vanguard and a level 8 tactical.

>>538384401
Normal stratagem is just Substantial

Hard stratagem is Absolute+, similar to level 11+ Hard siege mode

>>538384401
You will get completely clapped.

>get shot by little nidders
>HP gets cleaved by 3/4
>multiple little nidders shoot at you
>die instantly
They should tune Hard into just Absolute and not the unfun siege mode multipliers

>>538384401
Maybe level in Operations and don't come to Stratagems before level 25 prestige 4. I am tired of retards like you.

>>538384401
Max out the easiest class Bulwark and prestige at least four times otherwise you'll prevent your team from winning.

I just encountered a cheater, a Jap Sniper who was spamming cloak without cooldown and was not taking any damage even if he's being shot at...

Meanwhile the Bulwark and I (Tactical) died 5 times...

Could anyone tell me why my camo cloak is not recharging on the daily hard vortex stratagem?

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lost my stratagem weekly mission currency and my tactical levels this sucks

>>538384725
I assume he let the cloak fully drain and then popped it immediately again, instead of spamming it in split-second bursts?
Because if he was just doing cloak -> instant attack that's just sniper gameplay

>>538384475
I'll wait until I level more th-
>>538384617
Nvm gonna try it out until someone carries me through.

>>538384435
this. not sure what the other guys are smoking. normal strats are pretty chill

>>538385003
>Nvm gonna try it out until someone carries me through.
region?

>>538384435
>ormal stratagem is just Substantial
Fucking really? Jesus h. christ saber world war z mutators were scaled to hard and suicidal, not even the highest difficulty level and linear increases not a fucking gigantic jump

>>538384401
people like you are the reason i still have not completed it

>>538384928
No he was literally spamming cloak every time and even when he's shot at he takes zero damage.

>>538385123
>>538385026
Normal was always Substantial since siege mode.

Hard was Absolute, then becomes Absolute+ at higher waves.

Hard stratagem starts at Absolute+, their HP is the same but you get damaged more.

The retarded vatnik devs need to tune Hard stratagem to just Absolute.

>>538385164
Every time what happened?
Because again, abusing lingering cloak and the 2 second invulnerability prestige perk is just a thing sniper can do for perma-invis and invuln

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>>538384401
Or you could not be selfish expecting us to carry you... especially when you're going to leave the game right after you get the phase sword like every other casual trying out....

do the guardsmen deal damage?
if they don't they're a waste of spawn

>>538385567
They can at least tank
I've seen one distract a carnifex on his own somehow

Hard Stratagems should be tuned at Lethal.

>>538385164
Thats normal. Cloak gives 2s invincibility.

>>538385693
still bullshit
they need to deal some damage, mass lasgun fire would be helpful

>>538385736
They're never going to do that, they're going to complain that players are beating it easily and they don't want players beating maps easily

I assume the weekly strategems reset on Thursdays?

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which accolades weapon should I buy first that will help with this week's Hard Strategem?
just did normal and was fine, tried Hard and get fucking annihilated

>>538388041
Combibolter > bolt pistol > Heavy plasma > knife > Xenophase blade

>>538387620
it was already reset today early morning in europe

>>538388132
>Heavy plasma
>can't charge shots
what the fuck even is a use case for that

>>538388264
normal shots are good

>>538388264
Heroic weapons outside of the combibolter (which is just a melta gun with a bolter attached, no different from the bolter with grenade launcher) aren't well thought out

>>538388264
Spam normal shots

No one uses normal shots for plasma weapons, everyone else charges

>>538385736
Normal strategems should be tuned at ruthless.

>>538388264
Really high single target dps.

>>538388835
nah, that would just invite more low level shitters to game modes they don't belong
keep it at substantial
tune hard to lethal

>>538388132
thanks anon
no one disagreed with you, and i was about to buy the xenophase (because i thought power rake spam was good)

>>538389010
>that would just invite more low level shitters to game modes they don't belong
says the low level shitter who can't handle absolute.

>>538389204
The Xenophase blade and the chainsword are the two worst options out there

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>>538389276
it's what i'm good at choosing

>>538389204
I think the xenophase is good and the bolt pistol is dog shit.

>>538389204
anon, it's literally impossible to have all of these items by now, most people here have only one, max two. (disregard the salty cheater who got banned and tries to trick other people into getting banned too) Anon just read the descriptions in shops and pulled this ranking out of his ass. You can do, too, and it will not be any less valid.

>>538389710
Too slow
No cleave

The bolt pistol is just a Heavy bolt pistol that wastes more ammo with 3-shots, does the same gunstrike damage as well

>>538389204
I bought the Xenoblade and I thought it's pretty decent.

>>538389802
I used a paid trainer to unlock all of the accolade items and Saber never bans cheaters who add in resources, only those who cheat on PVP.

You can also use Cheat Engine but only if you know how to do it.

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>>538389802
i enjoy putting blind faith in random anons on /v/ and /vg/. if they turn out to be wrong, i get to say we're all retarded here i also do this because i have a gambling problem, and this is safer than real money

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>>538389802
>it's literally impossible to have all of these items by now
Skill issue

A few days ago I had 9000 accolade since it had no limit but they added a 1000 cap on it now

>>538390324
What's the accolade id for ce?

>>538390765
Find your requisition points address first then subtract 78 to get accolade points

So if you have 1000 requisition points you need to spend that shit first, maybe spend 750 on a prestige perk reset (you can pick the same ones) and then subtract 78 to get the accolade address

>>538385003
The XP gain is negligable but go ahead shitter.

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>2 out of 2 attempts on hard stratagem the carnifex jumped off a cliff and into the void
Finished map
At least the second time it happened it had the decency to despawn and die instead of forcing us to locate it down in the pit and find an angle to shoot it from
Huge lock in on the second attempt though, we managed to make it through

>40k primaris release date
>Primaris Space Marines were introduced with the Dark Imperium starter set in June 2017
Damn...

>>538390984
Do you subtract it in the hex calculator?

i like the xenophase blade, the power rake hit like a truck

>>538392216
The Trygon can and will attack surviving Guardsmen if some of them spawn in the final drop pod point.

>>538390324
>>538392575
Figured it out. Thanks.
What a shitty system. Fuck Saber

>>538392159
Uh oh melty.

>>538371574
I don't do any of that though...

luv me dollies, luv me dressing up, luv me estrogen

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>>538394362

>normal
>hard
>while ruthless, lethal and absolute exist
why do those retarded devs gotta make things so complicated, the average normalnigger has no idea how hard really is thanks to this

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>>538394673
isn't that hylia's avatar? what type of mental disorder is the flag for?

>>538395834
>what type of mental disorder is the flag for?
dog fucker

>>538395754
if anything, they will be dropping ruthless, lethal and absolute soon

>hard weekly
>sniper targeting me
>dodge
>it hits me anyways
>one shots me from full life and armor

Who tested this shit

>>538396000
Someone who isn't dogshit at the game like you.

I have a feeling the techmarine will have a kit with strategums and the likes in mind, as in I hope his perks really hone in on reinforcing armor, like a more expanded Bulwark team perk.
Although I'm really apprehensive about his mechadendrite-arm only having a bolter on it to assist in shooting, like how useful could that possibly be just having a pea shooter unless they somehow amp up the damage for it?
What do you guys think his class ability is going to be? Just turning on the auto-bolter fire or maybe something like an immediate
>OMNISSIAH'S BLESSING
where he immediately refills the team's armor pips kind of like how the Veteran's Shout works in Darktide. Maybe even an "over-armor" buff?

>>538396000
>playing with people with >100 ping be like

>>538396000
have you tried not living in SEA?

>xenopase power whirl does less damage than a balance relic ps
What the fuck

>>538393340
how'd ya do it

>>538396497
that's the point though? every heroic weapon has a twist and its stats are worse to balance that.

What are you suppose to do during vortex beast's spinning lasers attack? Just stay away?
Everytime I tried to get close I got hit by the lasers no matter what.

This game needs more icons indicating when certain buffs are up. Like Bulwark's defensive mastery or other effects that have a longer cooldown than 5-10 seconds.

>>538356334
The pistol is pretty good apparently

>>538396497
Saber has through this game created a well established pattern of some of the most nonsensical, baffling balance decisions I have ever seen in a video game.
An example being focusing their game heavily on melee combat and then giving a boss a ridiculously lengthy phase that just fucking kills you if you even think about closing the distance.
>>538396956
Yeah, you just sit at range, take potshots and dodge the lasers that start tracking you at the right time.
>>538397146
This game needs icons telling you which of your perks are on cooldown. I can't believe it doesn't have that at all to begin with.

It seems that the guardsmen spawning during the mission are fucking with the Trygon's aggression and having him spawn out of the boss arena to kill the guardsmen outside leading to softlocks.
What a shitshow, imagine getting that far and having to redo the mission over again.

>>538396818
>Three burst Pistil with half the ammo despite 3 times the ammo consumption per trigger pull
>Can't even instakill anything with a Gunstrike
>Even if it did, that's fucking useless in harder modes where there's 20 Majoris per wave.

Wowee what a twist bro, totally justifies it being complete shit. But hey, maybe you feel like a badass on Minimal.

They HAVE to make some variants for the heroic melee weapons. There are enough people fighting about block vs. parry to only have one or the other exclusively and nobody plays with balanced.

>>538397439
Even some visual effects on the edges of your screen for when your Tactical's Radiating Impact is available would be enough.

>>538396818
>sword that does 20% more damage through waves and power whirl
>actually does less
>This somehow makes sense to anon

>>538398242
Xenphase only buffs Power Rake. It doesn't say anything about Whirl in its tooltip.

>>538392216
Just had carnifex stuck on the last stage of hard stratagem, he clipped through the wall and was inaccessible. Had to restart. How does this happen so often?

>>538396818
The twists are all shit and the worse stats just make them overall inferior to their relic equivalent.
They're going to need some ridiculous unique effects or stats to be worth using over relic fencing as well.

>>538397949
All the parryfags use Balanced now except maybe for the Bulwark where some still use Fencing.

>>538399041
These stratagems have been constantly putting me into situations where minoris would just put me into an infinite late parry loop until I died.

>>538399041
I still use fencing on every class because melee is a meme and in the best case scenario its always only 25% of your total damage. Youre all retarded

>>538396497
Just use rake only.

The real problem is gladius works with all attacks including shadow stab but it still does less damage than a block powered stab.

What's your opinion on the new flamer and heavy flamer weapons? Do you like them?

>>538399668
They're OP

>>538399668
>good ammo economy
>good single target damage
>best weapon against melee chaff

>>538399668
Absolutely destroys what ever it touches.
Besides the visual clutter, it's fucking awesome.

>>538399372
Use block weapons and your melee weapons will actually deal good damage. Otherwise you're stuck with a gunstrike stick

>>538399894
why would I use melee weapons at all when I take less than 100 damage and do 30k ranged damage on absolute almost every mission

>>538399894
>use a slow ass melee weapon instead of a fast one like Balanced for -1/-2 melee damage

>>538399894
lol no

>>538399668
My purple flamer absolutely annihilated a neuro on Lethal.
Because I need to get close to burn it, it uses up its big AOE scream which means more free burn damage for sitting through it.

Do I even want to attempt the weekly?

>>538400790
The less total health doesn't matter THAT much because you're on Absolute so you'd be dying that quickly to begin with if you got hit.
I did see someone make a case for a Heavy Melta build for constant ammo regen wiping out the waves of minoris enemies.

>>538400790
>>538401006
But there does seem to be an unfortunate bug where the Trygon leaves the boss arena to go kill the guardsmen so all your efforts could be for nothing because of shitty boss AI.

>>538400383
enjoy trying to gunstrike when surrounded by 4+ majoris, then. With block weapon you get 2-3 block stacks, attack once ignoring enemy attacks, and the resulting explosion either puts an enemy into execute stance outright or about 1 attack away from it. Speed is literally irrelevant for block weapons.

>>538401253
Cope, your melee is obsolete and shit

Can anyone explain to me something? I watched this video about shield bash and in it the damage he gets is 186. He also says that axe does the most damage for shield bash. But I just tested myself (mind you without overcharge) and I got 63 damage on a full charged axe bash and 76 on a full charged fist bash.

More than that I'm not sure how you would even get 186 naturally. 63 x 2 from the shield bash perk and then x 1.2 from overcharge is only 153~.

>>538400790
It's easier than the first one, just take ranged classes shoot the tiny nidders.

>>538401526
Do you have the relevant shield bash perks on?

>>538401526
Video in question

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dHPpO5R224

i don't care for the new chaos spawn enemy

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THE FUCKING NIGGER FUCKING BOTS WONT GET ON THE FUCKING ELEVATOR

>Trygon can go out of bounds, ending half an hour of progress and grief for some players
Good job vatniks!

>>538401650
I have the one that increases the damage by 100%. The damage with block axe gets up to 127.71 with it which is in line with the 63 damage I get without it. So unless overcharge is multiplying by way more than 1.2 I don't know how the video gets 186 from neutral.

I was just asked by a faggot if I can stop shooting my Pyreblaster at the enemy because he can't see shit.

>>538401253
I can get through 4+ majoris easily with gunstrike just fine due to them being staggered.
The one thing I hate about block weapon is that after I blocked, I have to switch to shooting until one of them decides to attack me again so that I can have 2 stacks for the big boom.

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>>538401963
Same happened to me. Had to keep running in and out killing random nids until something triggered and they piled in.

>>538402295
did he kick you afterwards? because he should have.

The dodge damages you modifier is actually ultra cancer unfun bullshit. If you ever hated your teammates stealing all your finishers, this is the modifier for you.

>>538403872
No he wasn't the host, I kept shooting my Pyreblaster in his direction even more and he died 7 times.

Why did the invincible lictor just spawn on the hard version of vortex stratagem when it doesn't say he's in the conditions

Codes for hard weekly? Tried it with randoms and the fucking assault was at prestige one level 13.

>>538405142
Oh okay he's there across multiple matches Saber is just incompetent as fuck

Hotfix for the patch is coming this week to address issues.
I imagine that unkillable lictor deciding to party in chaos missions is one of MANY things to be addressed.

>>538407494
If it does then I hope it'll fix those abysmal crashing issues. Shit's driving me up the wall.

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Games Workshop should make a quiz online that says "Which Space Marine Chapter are you?!" so I can decide which cosmetic pack to buy. I've tried reading about some of the Primarchs but they're all awful

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>>538408501
There's half a billion of tests and none of the cosmetic packs are worth 5 fucking dollars

>>538407494
proofs?

>>538407494
Oh boy the pyreblaster/cannon nerf is coming

>>538408501
That's kind of the point. The primarchs are terrible people because each of them embodies one of Big E's character faults.
Notable ones are Fulgrim embodying His pride, Magnus His narcissism, and Lion His refusal to communicate.

>>538405294
Just post codes here

Le hard weekly
D5INJ

>>538410694
Not sure what happened there, but new code: HWP6Q

>>538411278
Full

What a fucking area to throw a zoan at us

>>538383820
It's pretty easy to get near the cap. Heavy can grant the team up to 35 when using the team perk + iron halo. Many melee weapons can give RDR during lights. Vanguard can literally get 20% by a perk, and another one gives him 40% by using grapple. Block weapons on Adrenaline surge gain also gives 60% RDR for 1.8s. Super easy.

>>538402135
Shield bash damage is affected by the base damage of your primary before all the other damage modifiers. It's also affected by majoris/extremis specific damage perks.

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i think its good.

>>538397635
kek, it's clear by now they never tested anything of this.

>>538413697
You can do that with a normal bolt pistol

hard weekly
J2AA4

>>538413697
>>538415032
You can do it with the heavy bolt pistol and also not take the bonus pistol damage perk.

>>538415032
no you cant

>>538415614
heavy bolt pistol is not accurate from the hip

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>>538415032
>you can do that with the normal bolt pistol

HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS GAME STILL NOT HAVE A FUCKING REJOIN OPTION. 30 fucking minutes of slamming my head against terminators and hellbrutes for fucking nothing because my shit crashed

Taking Assault in this new stratagem is throwing the game.

>>538416973
*assault without fist

>>538416973
Not really he can clear out minoris trash while taking aggro with invuln on the ground slam. The real deadweight is vanguard because you shouldnt be playing for health with that stratagem.

>>538415738
Who gives a shit about hip fire

>>538417585
But it's about Minoris numbers dwarfing Majoris, Extremis spawns are still frequent aren't they?

>>538418046
Yes but the health percent restore is nearly worthless because you will die to any enemy that hits decently hard if you have no armor. You have to play for armor not health. Even gaunts will shit on you with a few shots if you have no armor.