Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8622 - Escape from the Loony-Bin Edition==NEWS==Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds Animationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocBa8jTXUA [Open]TailsTube #13 - Pit Crewhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiYfo0Wy2NA [Open]Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - CrossTalk 7 | Dr. Eggman, Zavok, & Zazzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX7MOcp_ZX4 [Open]Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayedhttps://sonicrumble.com/GLDelaySonic the Hedgehog 4 will be released on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/==Comics Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary Special - 22 October 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 5 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #83 - 26 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 04 Mar 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplateMilestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheetPerfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collectionSonic comic scans:https://grabber.zone/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org//sthg/ OC info:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive//sthg/ cytube:https://cytube/r/sthg/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>538411425
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>>538455194>Duo*sigh
https://files.catbox.moe/cd9ldd.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/bdy7lz.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/f24o3n.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/kgu99z.png
Rouge erasure
>>538455194>/sthg/ #10000 Project Threadhttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru
>>538455587>ok ian you can put Sticks in IDW you only need to do this>no sega i like my idea better because [HUBRIS]>ok so no sticks for IDW>OK THEN FINE FOR ME!! *cries in lesbian*https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/537064146/#q537066114
Don't support Sega.>https://www.timeextension.com/news/2025/09/sega-accused-of-using-police-to-recover-nintendo-dev-kits-it-had-negligently-disposed-of
>>538455857No one cares about your homo doodle project
>>538455194>Sobic
Im making the next thread and it will be Soniku
Sonic
>>538455847Knuckles isn't allowed to have love for whatever reason, ariem will be gone or just neutral to him in her next appearance.
>>538456267Stop making fun of me Sourdow.
Repostagen
>>538455194Accurate
>>538456384Ariem was introduced as a love interest for knuckles though
>>538456536you will never see her again
>>538456238Is anon-kuns “little doodle project” pointing a gun at your face? If not then back the fuck off ?!!?
Have a good evening, /sthg/!What is a previous sonic game that you would give a "final horizon dlc" treatment to? Basically stuff like giving you more playable characters, more custom options and especially getting rid of the final boss and replacing it for a better one. This question applies to anything from sonic 1 to Forces, I guess.My mind inmediatly jumps at Sonic Gens, while it technically already got this big update due to Shadow, still I am not a big fan of the time eater fight at all but at least it wasn't galaga.
Colleen's Tails is so wacky I love it
Silver
Bun!
Is it even correct to call Ian a "Sonic fan"?
Shadow
>>538457047No. He's a Silver fan.
Silver needs a game that takes place in the future, like Blaze's world and hub from Sonic Rush 2. Then we can see what his life is like instead of him traveling back to orbit Sonic's crew.
>>538457013
>>538457047Ian is a Sonic fat
Amy
>>538457013Cutest Bun
>>538456536So was rouge, then they forgor
i want to let the air out of amy's big ass head
Metal
Tails! ^-^
>>538454903Mi zorro. El Día de los Muertos no es nada que temer. Nos recuerda que debemos ser destacados mientras navegamos por la vida y recordar forjar nuestro propio legado. Te invito a que te unas a nosotros. Seré tu guía. Si quieres, claro está. Sé valiente, corazoncito.
Real is Here!
Sonic will never be allowed to marry his Minnie
Kit and Surge!
Rodents
Knuckles
>>538457842why is he swimming in mtndew?
>>538457734There's clearly some mandate on relationships in general now. I expect amy to be a platonic girl boss in movie 4.
>>538457732Who?
>>538457842https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f84w1gEAXYQ&list=RDf84w1gEAXYQ&start_radio=1why were all of knuckles level in SA2 haunted anyways
>>538457775are wanted for barging in and eating all the mini sliders at 3 separate locations the fourth surely to come
>>538457451Cute pink rat!
>>538446937I just came back from chores so I didn't see this until a few minutes ago.>The meta era turned him into an insecure Sally Acorn clone who just sits in a workshop building gadgets. He lost the adventurous spirit he had in the old games. He's not the kid who was inspired to be a hero like Sonic anymore.Tails was always supposed the gadget whiz kid and tech prodigy. It'd make sense for him to want to hunker down and get things down in his workshops because how else is he going to build all those mechs, gadgets and techs to fight Eggman or whoever? I think having Tails be less action-oriented than Sonic isn't a bad thing and conflating it with the absolute carnage that happened to him during Unleashed to Forces is understandable but mistaken. You can have Tails be both an adventerous side-kick who will grit his teeth and struggle with his bros and also a tinkerer who otherwise would probably be shutting himself in his workshop a lot to design and make whatever he's trying to make. In fact you could even have that be a negative character attribute to build a character off of as he would be a workaholic who needs to learn to take a step back from things and enjoy the present rather than constantly worrying about the future.>You say she's pushy and an "uptight and overly-romantic type". Good. That's exactly what Tails needs. He needs someone to drag him out of the lab.This right here is something I wholly disagree with. I don't like the idea of forcing characters onto each other just to force a character development that may not even be needed for either of them. I can't come up with a scenario where Amy would actively force Tails into doing something he doesn't want to do or is hesitant about without Amy come across as a massive holier-than-thou bitch who thinks she knows better, especially when such an interaction is happening with a character like Tails who has shown discomfort towards her feminine traits.Amy should be pushy, not a bitch.
>>538458094His whole race is dead so there's an over arcing motif of death in all of his levels.
>>538457841Metric art leaning into the eerie stuff heavily lately and I love itMetal should suffer
Sobic
>>538456536Ariem was NOT introduced as a love interest. She was explicitly a dodonpa style mascot for the game's setting.
sthg is a love letter to all things Sonic including the weird shit
>>538458020Them! they real!
Every day I thank God for not making me a shipfag.
>>538458234His SA1 levels are pretty normal. It feels like they just wanted him to have a quirky trait of being afraid of ghosts, but then dropped it.
>>538456816My younger self really wanted a direct sequel to Sonic Colors so I will go with that.I have a huge soft spot for that game and my idea is that the other characters would use wisps differently from Sonic.
>>538458315i find these fursuit ai things hot when they are done kinda right
>>538458094He's a treasure hunter. They're usually crawling around old abandoned places. It'd make sense for there to be ghosts and shit. They'll probably give shadow the Halloween shit from now on though. I mean they already gave him the cowboy theme, which used to belong to Knuckles too.
>>538458615LIVE AND LEARN
>>538458892oh wow..
>>538458173Amy dragging Tails out of the lab to do something fun and taking charge of the situation while he's basically forced to go along with it since he won't put up much of a fight in the first place sounds like a fun scenario leading into an entire adventure between them. I don't see the problem, nor do I really see any actual issue with Amy's character in such a scenario. She's a passionate, energetic and impulsive character who rushes into action and adventure without a second thought, and she'd definitely drag people she cares about into said action along with her out of some impulsive and intuitive belief that this will help them in some way because she's doing this out of love. And you'd find her actions annoying at first, but in the long run you'd genuinely enjoy the adventure and it'll be all good. Like, that's basically the kind of thing I'd do with my own characters that are basically like Tails and Amy...
>>538458658Fucking amen to that, brother. Especially I am glad that I don't have shipping cuck related stuff saved on my pc.
Rouge all alone while Knuckles and Shadow go off with another girl
>>538458674>then dropped itThey never dropped it
>>538456816It's hard to say because most Sonic games are self contained stories and I feel like just adding more stuff wouldn't work. But if 06 was good I would like for that game to get DLC with chapters focusing on the other characters besides the hedgehog trio
>>538458274The ones with Eggman interest me the most they show how dismissive Eggman is becoming off Metal some even of him practically calling him useless
>>538456816Colors, not because I dislike it, it's one of my favorites, I think it would be cool if it got more story, more stages that offer more of a challenging, and a more interesting final boss like in the DS version
Where was Omega in the early issues of IDW when Shadow and Rouge went to kill the Doctor
>ask kit out on a date (burgers and a movie night at the theater)>he leaves at the end without saying anything, you only notice when you look back at him when leaving the theater>...>shows up next week at your door expecting another date night staring at you with those serious, but slightly less scary eyes
>>538459632 (Me)*more of a challengeAlso Generations would be a good pick too since it has so little content and the final boss is lame, but I'm tired of nostalgiabaiting and Generations in general. We already have 3 Generations games, plus Mania, Forces and Frontiers Cyberspace. I think they explored that concept way more than enough for now. Make some new content to make a Generations out of in a few decades
>>538459514Well now with Sage what's the point in entertaining a shell
Douge
>>538459686When people say Team Dark they really mean Shadow and Rouge, which is really just Team Shadow ft. Rouge.
>>538459871Somewhere along the line, eggman started hating metal too. Because it reminds him too much of sonic.Funny, that.
>>538459775Cute...
>canon characters>noncanon shippingEvery time
>>538458892SONADOW KINO!!
Tails!
SSS Trifecta hours
>>538460031here you go bud
It's not like Sonic released a murderous Metal copy of himself few issues earlierWhy the fuck did Metal get a pass while Belle had to endure this senseless scrimmage
>>538459394Closest we have for now is Legacy of Solaris (better controls and "stories" with stages for every character)
>>538460207Woah mama.
>silver chao with blazelol what a smug fucker
When CrossWorlds releases, you won't hear from me again.
Watching all the youtubers throw shitfits about how their views are dropping due to changes at Youtube makes me laugh so hard. Oh no, what will people do without daily slop content about how Sonic is bad?Adpocalypses are hilarious.
>>538460668who the FUCK are you
>>538460710Where is this happening? Show me some
>>538460731The shitposter
>>538459905Cute N Canon!
>>538460754Not a Sonic specific video but this would be the popular one doing the rounds.https://youtu.be/q5-b7v6EIzc?si=7VSuST8jvcrip6agThis hurts the daily slop channels more than anything else. Like every other adpocalypse, they'll bitch and moan then bend over. Youtubers never go anywhere else.
Reminder that Jewel was right, that taking down the ship ASAP was the right choice
>>538461134wanna hear a GIGATRUTH nuke? she is a more worthy new character than tangle or whisper
>>538461250She brings freedom fighters garbage no.
I just noticed, it says "Sobic" the Hedgehog general. WTF is a Sobic?
It's the windfag, bring the shintoWhen I breeze through it's crazy like tokyoWhat they tell you? Leave that autism aloneLike Sally Acorn, fuck the archiefagsFire the writer, you got the evidenceThat faggot is archie alumniWhen it rains it poursDid you know the new blue arms was tumblr?Flynn, you're planting your seedsThey're tryin' to replace my wind with weightsYou so basic with your fake plotLet's go sperg in the cyber space
>>538461134I-is that a g-giant b-bbug?AHHHHHHH KILLLLL ITTTTTT
>>538461473Sobic DEEZ NUTS!!!HA! GOTEEM
>>538460225The writers fucking hate Belle and I hate that. She's such a sweetie and gets treated like garbage by her own creators.
i liek sobic da hege hob :DDDDDD
>>538461250She's a better new character because she's cuter.
Cute boys!
>>538461694Slashy convinced Evan that Belle sucked.
>>538461794Belle does suck, but you didn't convince anyone slashy
>>538461694Do you think she'll get the Towelie treatment? Those who've seen the recent South Park episode know what I'm getting at. Or maybe not. Shit was fucking dark.
:)
What is it that you consider to be peak fiction, and why isn't it Sonic?
anyone have any tips doing this on emulation through melonds?mouse is pretty awkward for this.
SONIC CRAPPED IN THERE
>>538462118Do you mean fiction, or fiction/fantasy? We could be here all day
>>538462236Yes, whatever it is.
>>538462118>WhatClassic Doctor Who>WhyThe Wind
>>538462118Sonic stories by and large fail at everything they attempt to do.
>>538462239Cute!
>>538462118just compare frontiers dlc or any titan boss to kirby FL final boss Its just sadI recently emulated kirby and that 3d fight is one of my favorites ever easily
>>538462294Gun to my head and I could only pick one probably Shakespeare
>>538462643...really?
>>538462118Summer Wars. It's really good.
>>538462681
>>538462681surge grooming kit cycle of trauma where she wants power over kit to feel in control again because sonic robbed her of her sense of self and control
>>538462704I mean there's lots of other classics, some with more fantastic elements, but I feel like those authors would agree with me.
>>538462937i never seen this edit before but this way hotter
>>538458997I think I see your point. It's not out of character for 2000's Amy to just grab a character along because they're useful and she's not taking "no" for an answer. She did that with Cream and Emerl. Nowadays though I don't think she's that passionate about that kind of whimsical crush stuff.
>>538463337>Nowadays though I don't think she's that passionate about that kind of whimsical crush stuff.That's OOC garbage perpetuated by people that hate Amylike Ian, and stuff. Amy's official character is always described as passionate and enthusiastic and stuff.
>>538462937fixed
>>538463337>nowadaysOOC trash written by Ian Flynn.Amy would never 'mellow out'.She is passion personified.
uuu... can't sleep....
>>538462170handheld PC with touchscreen (like a steam deck) is your only option.
>>538462937i legit love these two and i there is a good dynamic even if kit sometimes go fill obsessive and territorial
Redpill me on Ninja Lights
Surge and Kit!
>>538463494>>538463440Why don't you tell that to Sonic Team as well then faggots
He doesn't care how many people he may endanger. If there's a chance he can see her smile again, he'll take it, even if he has blow up islands to do it.
>>538463919First, tell me what are “Ninja Lights”?
>>538463993I don't harass video game developers and Amy's already fixed in Japanese.Fire the WriterFuck Ian Flynn
>>538464060>Amy's already fixed in Japanese.She's even more boring in Japanese
>>538463993Sonic Team says Amy is passionate, and writes Amy as passionate in Japanese content. Western content is a coin flip on whether the western writer actually likes Amy. Evan Stanley can write Amy as passionate and enthusiastic in one issue, then the next game has Amy being a boring mom.
>>538463536count sheep boobies
>>538464138>Sonic Team says Amy is passionate, and writes Amy as passionate in Japanese content.No they don't.
>>538464294...They do, though?
>>538455194>/sthg/ loony bin>No Woefag0/10
>>538464340They don't though.
I think it's fair to say Tails was always more focused on building machines, going on adventures is a secondary thing, not his primary focus
Ian is a goddam faggot all he had to do is to follow this
>>538455970kek
>>538464612He's a Sonallyfag
>>538464612Sonic Team themselves don't follow their own character bios. why should he?
>>538461250Jesus, you're right. For all the meming about the Restoration HQ, Jewel has been consistently decent. Now I'm disappointed they had her join Lanolin in the land of background characters...
>>538455970This isn't SEGA's fault, it's that greedy retard's fault, and also the "organization" that publicly advertised it asking for money. Of course Nintendo and SEGA don't want this stuff to come out. Btw the only interesting thing in this was the DS version of Rhythm Thief
Has Flynn written anything that comes close?
>>538464923Has Sonic Team after Maekawa left?
>>538464773She's gonna be Lanolin's girlfriend.
>>538465119Has Maekawa after he left Sonic Team?
>>538464923To be fair, no one has. This is the coolest Sonic cutscene.
>>538465208oof gotem
>>538458741
>>538465208Someone would need to play the new Rune Factory game to find out
>>538464923Just-A-Guy-That-Loves-Adventure-nic is nowhere in the moviesabysmal
What's the verdict on how Fowler handled Sonic vs Shadow?
>>538464568Not at first. He was adventure-driven as someone who wanted to follow Sonic, then the engineering came later
>>538464773My copium is that they will give the two some focus together eventually but in reality Tangle and Whisper will probably hog all the paneltime.
>>538465403Hola, Honey.
>>538465669dont know but i reefuse to watch this slop because how he did gerald aint not touching this garbo until its worth it
>>538465403If I wanted to wear this IRL it would be like $5000. Why is it so expensive to be a furry bros
How pathetic......
>>538464923Archiefags gaslighted everyone into believing Ian could deliver something better.
>>538465862>extremely blurry JPG backgroundkino...
>>538465208has anyone after leaving sonic team?
>"my favorite side of the franchise is less shitty than yours">it's still objectively crap
>>538465786>>538465842
SA2's textures were extremely high res for 2001
>"my favorite side of the franchise is as perfect as yours">the entire franchise is objectively amazing
>>538466386>Primal Venom
The Ultimate Lifeform exists, and he is American.
>>538466386The city looks awesome here, wow.But then, why are they so blurry ingame?
But who IS gonna to rock the place?
>nights hotel in based
>>538466583He's not coming back
>Ultimate Victory>Phew, that was cool!
>>538466574Cus the background skybox needs to fit the whole screen so it's stretched
>>538464717I thought it was Sally x Nicole that got his cock hard
>What's going on today>*checks thread*Never mind.
Radical highway
>>538466650I never watched him. I was just listening to some Secret Rings music because I was reminded of thinking about Crossworlds reminded me of Dino Jungle's music the Wicked Wild
>premy won >J won >i won feels good lads
Sky rail
>>538466680They're so cool. Why can't Shadow be cool?
>>538467001Won what
>>538464568I don't think there should be a focus. He should go on adventures by himself and be an engineering genius. Both can coexist and neither should take over
>>538466680Another red flag from the chosen one. The ultimate one. A supposed superior specimen - despite lacking the BBC gene. This time he passes on the opportunity to take in the lush, beautiful forestry around him. This nigga’s tunnel vision is so forcefully skewed in the negative he doesn’t even think twice about the ground he sets ablaze with each step he takes. Believe me when I say I hate this character so goddamn much. FUCK SHADOW
>>538467229Of course they coexist, but going on adventures isn't his natural core behavior, it's something he pushed himself for after seeing SonicAt the start of Sonic Adventure he spends his time working on planes and goes out to test them. I think there's an NPC that implies he regularly stays up at night to work on his machines like he does halfway through the story, or at least that's how I interpreted it
>>538466718Sally x Nicole is an ooc pairing Ian created because he was seething that he couldn't write Sonally anymore. Sally Acorn is the kind of character who would flirt with men and Ian finds that behavior weak unless it's Sonouge for some reason.
>>538466336wtf is this real?
You are all ooc
>bestie
A lot of Shadow's lyrics had to do with how conflicted he feels. Even in his theme, "Throw It All Away", it comments on how, even if he is immortal, it doesn't matter and he would rather throw it all away because the life itself is meaningless.In Rhythm and Balance, the White Jungle stage where you have to save Rouge before the island explodes, the song asks over and over if Shadow is scared, once again that if he fails, he will lose yet another person close to him.In the Supernatural, Final Chase's stage, the song starts asking if Shadow is even the Ultimate Lifeform to begin with as he gets closer to Maria's "dream."The Biolizard of course, is unironically what I'd call Shadow's swan song. "Supporting Me" sounds just like the title, Shadow has finally given up revenge and learned that he wants to protect the world but he doesn't really know how to do this. He will do everything in his power, knowing that Maria is supporting him in order to fulfill her last wish, even if it means his untimely end, which the song references at the end of the song as well.And of course, Live and Learn. Pretty explanatory, but it's learning to live with your mistakes and to keep moving in life even if all seems lost.Shadow's story was unironically a great lead up from a broken individual lead on by hatred to one of redemption, giving his life to the ones he tried to destroy in the first place. We really won't have kino like this again, but at least its here
I’m sick to my stomach
Ian ruining Amy is based. watching the spicy amyfags lose it over shit made for kids is funny
>>538468079Good analysis
>>538468023>>538468079Shadow the Hedgehog but Carlito's Way
>>538467718>but going on adventures isn't his natural core behavior, it's something he pushed himself for after seeing SonicI don't see it as him "pushing" himself but rather being inspired by Sonic and getting confident enough to go on adventures. I don't want him to be a complete shut in he has other things going on in his life besides his machines
>>538468034this drawing sux
nicole belongs in that window
>>538468034Amyfags will never beat the besties allegations
>>538468079And yet people will say with a straight face that shadow doesn't have "friends" or team dark is just strictly businessHe obviously cares deeply for rouge.
>>538468503who is the mystery black man?
>>538468118are you me? I love it when Ian writes any character ooc because watching the purists go rabid and the idwfans defend themselves is always funny
>>538464923They referenced it a couple of times and will do it many more, are you entertained yet
>>538468415Where did I say complete though lol
>>538468927Giving literally anyone a ripped cloak makes them cooler.
>>538468818I can't be mad at (you) then c:
>>538468595it's...>(you) !
>>538468118I just think is sad, that's about it. I am not losing sleep over it, I equally feel sad about the other characters that got butchered, I would argue tails got it worse in between forces and frontiers. And knuckles being super serious in the kids game that is Forces is so out of character that is the only case that makes me laugh.
>>538469141no one makes noise about it around here and twitter except amyfags
>>538469136I thought I was one of the amyposters but whatever, I am so close of getting her in the picture so is a win for me
Why don’t you use a mobian body in VR anon? You might like it. It might feel more natural that way…
Also I didn't think to quote but I was referring to this post >>538446937Tails doesn't need to be forced to do anything. He might want to stay in his workshop for an extended period of time occasionally, there is nothing wrong with that and it wouldn't be "character decay"I understand it was in the context of how Amy would treat him, but the way it's phrased makes it sound like a bad thing>>538469063^-^
>>538469297Twitter is a wasteland that I don't know what people say there anymore except that they love to whine about everything from the little I have seen, so that isn't surprising. But I feel like everyone complains about ooc about every single sonic character here, not just amy. Like sonic has so many versions that I always see someone complaining about how he is portrayed in X, Y or Z media
Must be slick. Must be slippery. Must be smooth.
>>538469603I remember this :)
>>538469571I'll sleep now goodnight
>>538469707People complain about IDW Sonic and dubbed game Sonic being OOC. Nobody complains about Blade of Courage because it hasn't done anything OOC.People rarely complain about the movies because the movie Sonic isn't even the same guy from the games.Sonic Prime is OOC but it isn't loaded with attempts to make Sonic insecure. Instead they just made him a goofy idiot. So somehow I see fewer people complaining even though it has infinitely wider reach than IDW and is far more OOC.
>>538469883Good night bro
Speaking of Blade of Courage when is the next chapter coming out
IC/OOC distinction is meaningless because the only thing that determines it is if the fanbase likes it or not. Sonic was "OOC" in sonic adventure 1 compared to his previous appearances. Shadow was "OOC" to the series when SA2 hit until he became a mainstay.OOC stuff eventually becomes IC if it's successful enough at defining and driving the series forward
>>538470278trvke
>>538470278Everything you said is wrong. Sonic was always IC in Adventure. Shadow was a new character, that's the story during which writing his character was defined. OOC doesn't become IC, it stays OOC. If it goes against who the character is, then it's not and it will never be IC.
>>538470278I think if we want to be as objective as possible we would have to acknowledge that Shadow's presence made Sonic OOC. The Sonic in the japanese games didn't so much as LAUGH until Shadow the Hedgehog.
>archieniggers still seething about being told they are ooc holy kek
It's OOC no matter how much you like it. It is also allowed to like OOC things. The movies are liked, and Sonic is and will always be extremely OOC in the movies.
>>538470474You are not a good writer or have good comprehension of stories krack; you dropped out of high school and do not read books.
>>538470278the ic and ooc shit is due to the character not being properly defined. it needs a spec sheet that details their personality, their traits, their likes and dislikes and how they would react to certain scenarios. there should be a "base" for the character that is consistent across different media (Sonic is like the wind, he does what he wants and no one can ground him) and "supplementary" section that is media specific (this sonic would rather eat pizza than hotdogs)
>>538468425Have the full version then. Much better.
>>538470278I don't know. I don't think I agree personally. Imo if it is in the games, it's in character. Even if the games make radical changes. This is just the status quo now.For example, Sonic telling unfunny jokes and yapping? That's in-character. It's in the games now. When IDW does that it's just trying to replicate Pontaff era writing which is what Sega wants. I don't mean to be a brand bootlicker but fewer people ought to be angry at something if it's just trying to represent the games. The issues crop up when IDW Sonic behaves in ways that have literally never been in a Sonic game. It won't even matter if they COULD happen. The fact that they did NOT is going to set people off. That's why every time a new manga issue comes out it's just used as a ragebait against IDW. Because it's not actively trying to deconstruct Sonic. This isn't some accident or failure from Ian. He WANTS to break down Sonic and change things. He wants Amy to move on from her crush. He wants to take Shadow down a peg. He has a habit of trying to tinker with the characters and put them in situations that don't line up with what they're traditionally like in the games. To put it bluntly. If you want to write an authentic story about Sonic or Shadow, you will have to intentionally run the risk of portraying them as gary stu demigods. Ian doesn't want to do that, he wants to subvert that.This isn't about quality, it's about authenticity. The two things are considered one in the same by fans of any media.
>>538470278with this mentality no wonder you got dogshit like Ian flynn and praised it for years like pathetic seals holy shit this is patheticWe should unironically hunt faggots like these because they are the ones that ruin sonic
>>538468595sparky
>>538470901The characters are and have always been properly defined.
when you fall in love with an egirl but she doesn't like sonic>>538469291i hate nu sonic so much holy fuck what a redditor, what happened to sa2 sonic with fangs and shit
>>538470993Sonic was all about power-fantasy fun.Ian is the embodiment of the No Fun Police.
so are the profile of each character in sonic channel just decoration then? holy fuckThis mentality always comes from SoAniggers
>>538471447Sally needs to be killed off for permanent
>>538471447If it's not reflected in the material it's irrelevant
>>538471575the funniest thing would actually be for Sally to come back, but sega mandates Ian write her in a way he hates.
>>538470993>Imo if it is in the games, it's in character. Even if the games make radical changes. This is just the status quo now.The games can be OOC. On-brand isn't the same as in-character>This isn't about quality, it's about authenticity. The two things are considered one in the same by fans of any media.Of course. If you like something, and you want more of that something, you want it to actually resemble that something. You are right about Ian's writing style, I noticed it even within his Frontiers script. I don't like it at all. I like the characters, I don't like Ian's obsession with changing the status quo and showing the passage of time, which he seems to often do in completely absurd ways. I like the characters because of who they are, not because of what a random writer might incohesively remodel them into
>>538471659This is why Violet's proposal was so goodIt would force Sally to exist but for Flynn to never be allowed to use her since she'd be on her home planetHe already hates writing Blaze's dimension. Give him JP canon Mobius and he'd have an aneurism trying to avoid it like wildfire.
i've said this before but sonic x really was the best representation of sonic within a storytelling context, at least the bits where he acts aloof and disappears for days on end without explaining himself to anybody only to come back with a shit eating grin and some smug remarks or even show up unexpectedly at the last moment like in subspace odyssey, it should be normal for sonic to not be around for a couple days rather than stay around orbiting his friends or some shit, it just does not feel like sonic AT ALL
>>538471794Ian would find a way to sneak in a reference that Sonic likes her, just like with Rouge. You would have to find a way to block that.
randomfox was right
>>538471838Yeah like when he leaves at the end of SA1. I guess the end of Forces counts too
honestly if you fags hate ian so much you should start making a fanfic portfolio and pursue a career writing sonic or some shit and one up him cause just endlessly bitching about him on the internet does nothing, i know some of you have enough free time and autism to do that
Is there a link that shows all the images in that "Premium Wool" book ABT apparently put out?
>>538471838Sonic X is horrifically out of character.You're describing SatAM Sonic and calling it Sonic X. SatAM Sonic is the one who comes and goes as he pleases. He lives in one place because it's a good spot to nap where Robotnik can't get him, but he routinely goes off on adventures for fun. He's not orbiting anyone, unlike his X counterpart who humors Chris way too much. Sonic in SatAM has a reason to stay in knothole. X? He just lives in a mansion 'because'.SatAM's Sonic is like the wind. X just made Sonic an inconsiderate jerk to his friends, which is not the same thing as being a freedom-loving adventurer. It's a shallow interpretation that western audiences eat up because they don't know the character. The show bastardized the cast, and it's a direct line to the rot we see in the writing today.
why does violet insist that satam is more ic than sonic x
>>538472151
sex
>>538468023Cute N Canon!
>>538470968Do you have the knuckles version?
How does that hack Ian Flynn try to launch his own project, that Drogune thing, and have it completely fail to get off the ground, but other people don't have that problem?I'm seeing that Endless Fantasia, a project by another one of the IDW writers, Daniel Barnes, is about to get its funding.So what gives? How does one of Flynn's own colleagues manage to get his project funded, but the supposed "big name" writer can't? Is Flynn's name just that much of a black mark that people see it and run the other way? You'd think after all this time he'd have some kind of following that would buy his original slop, but I guess not.
>>538472534SEEEEX
>>538472310X isn't just out of character, it fundamentally misunderstands Sonic. The show makes Chris the protagonist, and Sonic is just a plot device to solve his problems. He's passive, waiting around a mansion for someone else to do something. His strong bond with Chris is the ultimate anchor. Chris wants to bind the wind to a suburban mansion, which is the antithesis of Sonic's entire being. It's no surprise Tails gets sidelined when Chris usurps his role as Sonic's best friend.SatAM actually understands the wind. Sonic is playful and an inspiration, but he doesn't listen to others. He does his own thing, ignores Sally's plans, and is always proven right. He comes and goes as he pleases. That's why he's an inspiration to Tails in that show.Claiming X is more in-character is dishonest and confuses a superficial art style with the actual core of the character. SatAM, for all its faults, understood that Sonic is a force of nature. X turned him into a human's pet. Which is more in the realm of Shadow than Sonic.
nite
>>538472151It's just high quality prints of his twitter sketches. No link but he showed it on stream.
>>538472980You could say the same thing about Elise
I trust Violet more than Flynn and Stanley because she is like Sparky.
>>538472823Not just Endless Fantasia but Star Garden and Rolling Rascal and Spark the Electric Jester.It is incredible because all the big names are failing but the small peeps are succeeding.Let's not forget this was a flop.
>>538473056Not even close.06 starts with Sonic crashing a festival because he can. He sees Eggman and immediately intervenes. The story is about him. He is the wind blowing through Soleanna. Sonic X starts with Sonic falling into a rich kid's swimming pool and becoming his live-in pet.Chris's entire character is about wanting to possess Sonic, to keep him forever. He's the ultimate anchor, a kid who wants to trap a force of nature in his mansion because he's lonely. He wants to bind the wind.Elise is the opposite. She's the one who is trapped by duty. Sonic shows her what freedom is. He inspires her. He's an ideal, not a pet. She is inspired by the wind, not trying to put it in a bottle. 06 is a mess, but it's still Sonic's story and he's characterized correctly as a free spirit. X is Chris's story (Well, admittedly, sometimes Tails' and Amy's) and Sonic is just a supporting character who is fundamentally misunderstood and sidelined in favor of the show's actual protagonist(s).
>>538473056I don't know much about Sonic X but with Elise Sonic is only helping her because he feels like it and leaves as soon as he's done
>>538473408This game was really cute and fun and for real wish it had more luck at the time.
crackship!
Do you think that the Hooligans will be mentioned in CrossWorlds?
>>538473460Elise DID want to keep Sonic to herself forever. Part of her story is accepting that he is leaving, and eventually being forced to decide to give up on it herself
>>538473460>american windUnited Federation Wind.
>>538473408i am glad the sonic gt dude is doing great
>>538473640No but maybe Fang wil appear in the superstars track same with Trip
>>538472823The world simply isn't ready yet for Flynn's kino. Drogune will only be launched the moment that SoJ finally decides to announce SA3.
Post Sonic Man please
>>538473658You're missing the entire point. It's about the why.Elise was a princess trapped by her duty and a literal god of destruction sealed inside her. She had no freedom. She saw Sonic, the literal embodiment of the wind, and was drawn to what he represents. Her desire to keep him was a desire to hold onto the freedom she never had.Chris was a lonely rich kid. He had all the material freedom in the world but no friends. He didn't want to be like Sonic, he wanted to own Sonic. He wanted to trap the wind in his mansion to make himself feel less alone. It's a possessive, selfish attachment.Sonic inspires Elise and ultimately frees her from her responsibility, allowing her to become free herself. She learns from his example. Chris never learns. He tries to Sonic from leaving because he can't stand to be alone. Elise is inspired by the wind. Chris wants to put it in a cage. They are not the same.
>>538473609>Character with libido greater than a human male vs character who has no sexual interest whatsoever
>>538474125That's the appeal, I wanna see more of it (not the bastardized sthg version)
>>538472225i disagree with you purely because you're a satam boomer tranny and your kind wants to write sonic orbiting his shitty friends or something>>538473408it's a flop because the protagonist and everything around xer looks like shit and i bet the music is shit too, notice how no one cares how good a game is unless the aesthetics are on point and more often than not these indie fags can't draw or make music for shitand what kind of a name is "penny's big breakaway"?tldr fucking name that sounds like some boomer oldfag story titlesparky is pacman but uglier freedom planet is managed by a mentally ill retard who's only made 2 games in like a decade that both play exactly the same filled with pointless voice acting and shit no one cares about i forgot my point but i love bitchingscourge for crossworlds or riot
>>538474123What do you think Chris should have done?
>>538473968Maybe we'll also get to see their Jerboa-Sungazer kids on the track.
>>538474235Rolling Rascal seems to be doing decently and people complain about its character design.
>>538474346I wanna draw Silver for views and likes too. What should I do with him
>>538468118It just ruins Ian's rep further and soon the fandom will let out a sigh of relief when he's finally let go. And the people who shilled and defended him will show their true colors claiming they never liked him in order to save face and continue their routine with the newest thing since Ian is old news.
>>538474235>i bet the music is shit too,No it is amazing because much of it was done by Tee Lopes.
>>538474217You just made me imagine a scene where Sally accuses Shadow of having oneitis and Shadow calls it loyalty
>>538474336it's going to die soon when people get bored and i'm glad because it looks like pure shitwhy would i want to play as a fucking BALL with a mickey mouse face
>>538474530holy fucking KINO
>>538474416Draw a nervous Silver getting aggressively flirted with by Lanolin.
Tell me bros, why jewel the bettle is the onle female idw oc that doesn't completely suck?Heck she's basically a civilian yet, she's way above tangle, whisper lanolin, belle and Surge.And while I love jewel the bettle, in perspective that really fucking sucks.Because why the fuck on goodness earth the girl that is basically a civilian tertiary character, is better than the actual secondary action girls characters with gizmos, skills and superpowers?
>>538474416Silver being Danny Phantom-esque
>>538474235Can't even form an argument so you just screech insults? Typical.The projection is insane. Sonic orbiting a friend is literally the premise of Sonic X. He's Chris Thorndyke's emotional support hedgehog. He lives in a mansion and waits for a human kid to have a problem. That's the definition of orbiting someone.Sonic's friends are foils in SatAM. They exist to highlight what makes Sonic, Sonic. Sally's plans exist for Sonic to ignore them and prove his way is better. Tails looks up to him, showing Sonic as an inspiration. They give his world life and provide a contrast that proves he's without a doubt the wind.You need an anchor to show how free the wind is. Without a world and people to play off of, he's just running in a void.Learn to read. Failing that, watch a cartoon. SatAM is free to watch on Youtube. You have no excuse for not engaging with Actual, Existing, Sonic the Hedgehog.>>538474241Unsalvageable character from an unsalvageable show.
Speaking of Tee Lopes even HE is doing better than Flynn. How is Flynn failing so hard when he has a sizable group of worshippers that harass his critics?
>>538474641jewel is the knuckles of idw ocs, she looks nice and never does anything controversial
>>538474687Chris is still better than any of the heroes introduced in IDW.
>>538474628Quaver could have made awesome art with these two, but she liked her meme ship with buddy the wolf because Twitter told her.
>>538474080
>>538472823Ian is simply a bad writer. The only people who like this guy are Archiefags and even they are starting to back away from him and only like him for his Archie run and nothing else. Penders was absolutely right about Ian in a broken clock moment.
>>538474628GOODfuck her
>>538474641>the actual secondary action girls characters with gizmos, skills and superpowersBecause Tangle, Whisper, Lanolin, Belle and Surge are all prominent examples of "great idea, terrible execution". Remember, the writers are so bad at basic communication that even the characters they're writing suffer from it too.
>>538474641Jewel fans are the most obnoxious of the IDW fans.
>>538474921Belle is a bad idea.
>>538474806I'd be willing to agree with you if Surge didn't exist.If we're counting her as not a 'hero' then I'd absolutely agree but I'd say that is a very low bar to clear.IDW Comics are atrociously terrible. They are even worse than Flynn's run on Archie which is hard for the human mind to comprehend.
>>538474687I'm not asking you if Chris is well written, that's irrelevant. I'm asking you how Sonic, as an inspiration for him, would solve his problem with loneliness. What should Chris learn from Sonic, and how?
>>538474416happy silver in the present suffering hero silver in the future as contrast
>>538473152someone draw tangle fucking him with her futa cock
>>538474926The dude, is saying jewel is supposed to suck anon, that's whys he's baffled, she's somehow the better character.
>>538474921> Evan Stanley self insert that the cast can coddle>Sally but without any of the relationship with Sonic and even more bossyThese are not all good concepts bad execution IDW shill.
>>538474997Surge and Kit are not heroes.Also I heard Post Reboot was great but I never bothered because I saw all the shit from IDW but more fanfiction elements.
>>538474641She's not trying to steal the spotlight on the comic called sonic the hedgehog unlike tange and whisper.
>>538474690Ian himself admitted on his podcast that people only like him for Sonic. He said he's the spoon to them, not the soup.
>>538475023>What should Chris learn from Sonic, and how?How to form connections which aren't rooted in predatory leverage over others (i.e. Chris's power over Sonic. Exploiting his role as a 'savior' and his material wealth to keep Sonic and his friends around as paid friends.) and meaningfully connect with his peers.If Sonic X was an actual windy show, Chris would've learned from Sonic how to befriend his classmates, find his own inner confidence, and learnt that it doesn't matter. That the wind is not something he needs to bind or endlessly chase. But a concept. Something inside of him. Inside of all of us if we seek it.
>>538475259Yet his colleague figured out how not to be put in that situation.It is amazing because Stanley is the same way, but she seems to at least be content being on Sonic forever.
>>538474530Whoa
>Sage permanently fucks all life on earth because Silver made a fucking quip If this actually happened in canon people would hate Silver for the same reason they hate Super Goku
>>538472534Is this project windshit or notI can't tell because Sonurgefags love it
>>538474641She's a cute, not obnoxious retard character, unlike tangle, doesn't have a crying ptsd every chapter like whisper, she's not hardass bitch like lanolin, people like her unlike belle and she's fine in what was supposed to be her character from the start, unlike surge.Bonus points, because apparently she can even make tough decisions, like what happened in the clean and sweep arc.
>Eggman can swing 16 tons around with ease, that's 6 tons more than Tails can barely budge at minimum>Eggman, when he is utterly enraged, struggles to break a wall of ice and hurt his hands doing soEggmanfags, explain. Post-haste.
>>538475582>s
>>538475408Despite also liking Archie, so also likes Game Sonic while possessing a few misunderstandings of it. Ian flat out only likes Archie and clearly doesn't enjoy the game setting, and his understanding of Archie was based on how HE wanted it. He's mentally divorced from this franchise. With how ass he handles his dialog and scripts nowadays, I think Ian came to the realization that he doesn't actually like Sonic, but is too much of a hack to do anything else since nobody but this series will accept him.
Flynn seems to be having a stuck on Sonic problem that not everyone seems to have.Even his other comic Klaws McGee seems antiquated in a bad way as it reads like old webcomics.
If SEGA gave you the chance to remove from existence five Sonic characters and then bring back five characters from the vault and keep them as recurring members of the cast, who would you choose?
>>538475714he's muslim
>>538475738>but is too much of a hack to do anything elseHe tried but no one cares enough.
>>538475714Maybe he was sad that day
>>538475445Sage was the one who started the quip that started the whole thing, not silver.
>>538475779>remove5 of the Zeti>bring backAny of the game characters that they barely use (with Marine as a priority)
>>538474926The diamond cutters exists, so you're wrong in every way.
>Because you just TOLD me FoxBoy Except this time it destroys the future
>>538474641>>538475648Jewel kind of resembles the angel/goddess statue that appears in Wacky Workbench.
>>538475648Is there a place where I can find more of these AI pics?
>>538475750The way Ian writes is very generic and self-aware. He doesn't actually put personality in any of his work. Even stories that are known to be shitty have more notability than what Ian writes because the writer still puts distinctive elements that will still stick out in your mind even if you laugh at it or go wtf. Ian writes like an algorithm. It's soulless.
>>538474641She was not created to make a biased progressive woke social agenda, so she's fine in my book.
>>538475445>comparing that with WAKUWAKUanon....
>>538475779>RemoveWhisper.Tangle.Belle.Lunar.Lanolin.>Bring backSally Acorn.Bunnie Rabbot.Antoine Depardieu.Rotor Walrus.Sir Charles/Uncle Chuck.
>>538475892That's a baitpost, Anon. Saying something that retarded unprompted for the umpteenth time is most likely just Silverschizo being stupid again. Just ignore them.
>>538474641She almost killed thousands, though.
>>538476123You could try finding them on Civitai or Tensor Art. They are similar to the ones that Duoposter tends to generate.
>>538475738Maekawa came to the realization that he didn't like Sonic, accepted Sonic as he is despite that, and then wrote the best Sonic stories. Maybe Ian too would benefit from dropping the arrogance that he can "fix" something that's already perfect as is
>>538476134>Ian writes like an algorithm. It's soulless.Ian was an AI bot this whole time?
Sonurge is literally more popular than Shadria
>>538476474You can't spell Ian without A and I.
AIan
>>538455194Wade probably works as a security guard in that place.
>>538476313Only bunnie, Antoine and chuck deserve that spot, maybe Nicole if she's not associated with the chipmunk at all.Everyone else can fuck off.>>538476420You said it pal, almost, and she did it, because she wanted to make the less collateral damage, not because she didn't cared about people, nobody died anyway, because sonic saved the day.Best desition ever, it was the first step to get rid of the restoration
Violet, tell me what the ideal shadally is
>>538475779Remove>Whisper.>Tangle.>Belle.>Lunar.>Lanolin.AddNONEi love the cast right now
>>538474641She's a cutie, I like her.
Tangle was honestly the best IDW OC until she was forced to be tied to Whisper and be "low-key" lesbians with her.
>>538475445People hate Super Goku because he isn't aware of the shit he does, really they hate Goku tossing Cell a Senzu for the same reason, he wasn't thinking, though that moment is still defended by diehard DBZ fans.They hated it when Goku forgot the paper seal for the Mafuba because that fuck up ensured the success of the Zero Mortal Plan.They hated Goku getting Zeno to plan the Tournament of Power because Zeno wasn't planning on erasing anything until Goku had talked to him. No, the manga stating otherwise doesn't count, the DBS anime and manga are two distinct continuities, Goku fucked up in the former and he *unintentionally* saved everyone in the latter.
>>538476313Bunnie is the only archie gal worth something, for real i'm glad sally is dead.
>>538477102Exactly.Tangle was a hot-headed, excitable tomboy girl. Now she's just a lesbian therapist cry-pillow for the women of the Restoration.
>>538477223They're both from SatAM*
Rate this random Donut Steel I found.
>>538477102theey were fine in their mini the problem is that they don't have any idea what to do with them >ok ian you ship them together now what>mmmmm *leaves idw*he did the same with mimic after bad guys
>>538477357Very awesome and cute...but is it male or female?
>>538477479Female.
>>538477102Nah, her being a fangirl retard with adhd ruined her from the start.
>>538477523I miss Lettuce so much
Sonamy is a literal crackship and shitvaze ruins Blaze's character just to prop up the shitty fraud faggot parasite
>>538477343No one from Satam is worth something they had the worst designs.Archie at least tried to make them look as actual sonic characters.
>>538477102>>538477242I just realized, whose fault was that specifically? I want to say it's mainly Evan since Ian created Tangle to replace Amy, but now I wouldn't put it past him to push for making his own character OOC for brownie points with shippers and woke people.>>538477456>the problem is that they don't have any idea what to do with themLiterally just have them fight badniks and bad guys, it' not that hard to write for an action-adventure for kids/teens.
>>538477640Hear me out. Reboot designs. Satam personalities.
>>538476474>>538476564Ian is very likely an AI bot created by SoJ. They simply reversed AI as "IA", then added an extra "n" to his name since that's the only isolated consonant in the Japanese language.
>>538477523Yeah, tangle was pinkie pie tier in terms of obnoxiousness, she doesn't have the charisma either.
>>538470278Nope please kindly kys IDW bro
>>538476942>Violet, tell me what the ideal shadally isSatAM Verse post-S2Enemies to lovers. Political revolutionary Shadow who blames the Acorn monarchy for the deaths of Gerald and Maria Robotnik aboard the Space Colony Arc at the hands of the swatbots under orders from Gerald's brother Julian. Who gradually learns that it was not King Maximillian's orders that led to his loved one's deaths but instead Julian. He still blames the king for his incompetence and still strives to overthrow the monarchy to fulfill Maria's wish, a world where everyone can be happy, but he looks at them with less scorn.When Sally eventually restores her father to the throne from the void and he proves himself a tyrant, Shadow is able to lead a revolution of Robians against the king and his discriminatory policies. Sally, humiliated and upset by her father's failure, flees to Knothole Village in shame that her attempts at a royal restoration were ended rightfully by Shadow and she's forced to consider the validity of his ideology.Meanwhile, Shadow, as president of the Republic of Mobotropolis, must adjust to rulership, and learns to sympathize with Princess Sally's regency and the effort she went through to ensure the rebuilding of the city.The two are forced to work together when Naugus attempts to take over Mobotropolis, and learn that they aren't too different. Both of them lost loved ones in Julian's rise. Both of them were betrayed by family members (Sally, her father. Shadow, his uncle figure). Both of them want to make the world a better place for others.In the heat of combat, their unity is proven and tested. And in its embers, their love for one another blossoms. Ensuring a new political dynasty that shall reign over the city-state of Mobotropolis. Respecting the past but moving beyond it into a brighter future. A world where everyone has a chance to be happy. A world where Sally and Shadow have a chance to be happy together.
>>538477815Why are men like this
>>538477821Damn you might just be a windfag
>>538477719You're getting somewhere anon, bunnie was fine on both while Antoine was better in archie tough, funny enough Antoine had the best character evolution in all the entire book.
Why does Rusty Rose feel like less of a Sonic character than Bunnie Rabbot does?
>>538477886Women just don't cut it anymore
The accusation that Violet and Krack are the same person is absolutely silly when you remember that they both draw competently and are evidently not one artist experimenting with styles.
>>538477982
I wish wave and female birds characters were more popular as a whole.People seem to think the beak make them less cute or attractive, but I disagree.
>>538477648>Literally just have them fight badniks and bad guystooo high concept for Ian/Evan
>>538477960>bunnie was fine on both while Antoine was better in archie toughSally is the only one where I think her using her satam personality is an absolute improvement. I think everyone, even the biggest hater of Archie would agree Antoine is better off if you just use his archie personality.
>>538477982Yet both of them are straight. When will sonic wake up and realize his love was right here from the start
>>538478204
>>538477357No OC posting here
>>538474641>Destroyed the restorationShe's the only IDW OC that legitimately did something positive for the book.
>>538478253Too bad about almost 90% of people forgetting rotor exist too. The reboot improved him as a character a lot to not make him entirely tails clone.
>>538477886Maria AIDS of the mind
>>538477821>Sontails>Sonic = Wind of the Land>Tails = Wind of the SkySontails is a very poetic and complementary ship. Amy was a mistake meant to divide Sonic from his true and only love in life. Metal Sonic should have kidnapped Tails instead of Amy in Sonic CD.
>>538478523Trvke.
>>538478497>The reboot improved him as a character a lot to not make him entirely tails clone.What makes me sad about Rotor is that he is often what Tails ought to be, but writers (Forces, IDW, Frontiers) love to over emphasize Tails being insecure and scared. Tails doesn't need to become a chad like in some fanfic but you don't need to revolve his identity around being pathetic. He should always look up to Sonic and want to grow but that can be flanderized.
>>538478204For a second, I thought that was Nicolette in the thumbnail.
>>538478406I'm glad someone can appreciate tekno the canary, my only real complain is why every single important sonic bird characters is green (tekno, bean, jet, speedy)
>>538478753Wave and Storm
>>538478665Rotor becoming a pragmatic dude, and becoming a power character improve him a lot.>>538478717Here dude.
>>538478753>every single important sonic bird characters is green (tekno, bean, jet, speedy)Wave and Storm are definitely more relevant than Bean and Speedy.
rotor really has no hetero ships
>>538478753We have a lot of green characters on this franchise for some reason.
>>538477821I am impressed. Did you come up with all of that just now?
Oh no they're multiplying!
Tell me bros, of all the new contemporary sonic characters they introduced nowadays, which one is your favorite and why.It can be from its story, design, evolution, you name it.I like all of them and im glad sega stopped being afraid to make more sonic characrers.Personally i wish infinite can come back because by far he was wasted, even if he had the hardest design ever. I hated they never showed his face in the actual game tough, but at least the comic prequel did.
>>538479229Bro your Nicole? (I think that was a thing)
Sonic movie 3 confuses me. I've been called a "wind autist" here a lot but it's still clicking. I should hate this movie. It removes a lot of good things about SA2. It's completely OOC. There's annoying smurfs movie gags. Still I think it's a solid film. It disgusts me as a purist that I have this opinion.
>>538479449No. This is all worldbuilding for a SatAM AU with Shadow as a central character I plan on writing eventually. That piece of Sontails are was made for the aforementioned AU. Which would see Sonic and Sally ultimately break up due to their difference in lifestyles (Sally being the anti-wind, Sonic being the wind) and Sally's responsibilities and the lack of looming threat to drive them together. Resulting in a Sonic that is like the wind ending up with his best buddy and companion, Tails, who is also of the wind and desires to be a free spirit.Sonic and Tails formally break with the freedom fighters shortly after Sally gets them exiled to Knothole a second time, telling Sally to cram her 'knows best' attitude up her butt and going to strike it out on their own and meet up with Chuck in Shadow's Mobotropolis during "Season 4".Chuck is glad that Sonic broke up with Sally since he didn't think they were a good match but he's disappointed his nephew didn't go for Amy since Chuck approved heavily of Amy's crush on Sonic and her as a potential wife for his nephew.Chuck only reluctantly accepts Tails as Sonic's girlfriend.
>>538479592from that pic? infinite by a lot and he was wastedall i see are wasted characters
>>538479229His only important (actual ship) was with sealia with the artic freedom fighter.The penders gay shit doesn't count at all, he was just inventing shit years after being fired.
>>538479943Hasn't this artist drawn Chris?
>>538478665>He should always look up to Sonic and want to growI'm fine with this in theory, but I lose interest in Tails as a character the instant he gets an opportunity to grow and instead of, y'know, taking it and growing, like he wants to, his growth is either denied or reversed.
Lanolin wears this outfit better than Sally ever could.
>>538478753To be fair, speedy was supposed to be white with a green helmet, but the low quality of his pixel art and the offical character art, made it really confusing.
>>538480192Yes, have pic related.I like the idea of humas using gloves too on the sonic world, and I wish it was a thing too.
>>538480282>In theorythis is just tradition for sonic isn't it? Theoretically every character concept is fine, but doomed to fail either way.Take a look at Surge. The idea of a person who CANNOT be inspired by Sonic and wants to kill him is actually very interesting, especially due to the games.In execution, it required Sonic spawning a new character trait out of nowhere and that new character trait becoming the core of their dynamic. It is also established that she's just no match for Sonic at all and the only reason she continues to breathe is because this particular Sonic is more merciful than he is in the videogames. Then, for some reason, they decided to pull a "becoming the mask" arc with Surge where she "pretends to be good to get close to Sonic" doesn't get close to Sonic at all, and revels in learning what it's like to be a good person. Now most discussion around her is people wanting her to be written off.... or shipping. There's plenty of characters like this. Characters who are so simple that they should work.
>>538480192>>538480619Whoops sorry, here,
>>538480342Post more sheep
>>538479290Man how much i miss the deer sisters.Clove is still my archie wife.I don't know who the fuck here invented she was gay, like Sally and Nicole, it never fucking happened in the actual comic.
>>538479754One request?
>>538480779These are really nice designs
Here dudes, have a cool multiverse pic.
A game about the real Sonic when?
>>538461134I like Jewel but no, no it wasn't. She meant well obviously but had no way of knowing it wouldn't end up detonating in the middle of the city and kill tens of thousands. Practically everyone in that arc makes at least one gigantic mistake though so she isn't alone there.
>>538480779Are Hope and Chris a thing in the fandom?
>>538481169>protoman and megaman being there because they are canonically in the multiverse"Cheff kiss"
Marine and her sidekick!
>>538481282Nah, as maria, hope is mostly shipped with shadow.Everybody hates Chris, but his actual love interest was Helen (the wheelchair girl).She deserved better though.
You guys think Sonic and Tails sucked each other's dicks? hahaLike as a joke or a dare haha. I'd think that'd be funny.
>>538481169everythingfags i kneel....
>>538480912I'm upset that I'm attracted to Sonia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7QLRCIFQdw
>>538481546>everythingfagsThat pic/gif is loaded with Archieshit.
Frontiers really warmed me up to Sonuckles, they're really cute together
>>538481169What a fucking cool hard-core image.>even fleetway and luminary world are here.Hot damn!
>>538481546Everythingfags = / = Archiefags. There's a few major differences. That's just an archie image.
>>538481649>Archie>fleetway>megaman>sonic boom>idw>sonic primeAnon, you didn't see shit, you want to start shit, or need glasses.
>>538481845>>538481649The sol dimension is there too.
>>538481687Silver is the people's Hedgehog
>>538481845Including Megaman in the Sonic multiverse is archieshit
>>538481169pic themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZL6oZTomY
>>538481985So including Cranky Kong's trash can would be fine?
I really wish you guys didn't point out esltard's posting style. It's better when the shitposters don't know they're visible. Much like Sonic himself sthg gets impatient.
>>538482083I hate Megaman
>>538482220this pic is more in character than idw
>>538481649It is based on archie's multiversal zone cops concept, so thanks for pointing the obvious.
>>538478665>>538480282Tails doesn't need to "grow" (changing his personality isn't even growth btw), he is already perfectly fine and capable as he is, he just needs to remember the strengths he already has and focus on how to use them. Meeting Sonic helped him learn this, and he occasionally needs to be reminded because he doesn't have the same inherent confidence Sonic has
Is it just me or is the trend of drawing sonic with tranny scars dying off
I'm glad this fandom, wants to make silver cool again.Shonen serious loudmouth silver is the best.
>>538482224That's not relevant, Doctor Wawee.
>>538482650It is certainly not dying off. It's just not getting boosted by people who officially work on IDW anymore
>>538482220Why do faggots insist on making Sonic vs Knuckles art still? They're friends and Knuckles is factually lame. Shadow was always Sonic's true rival and they look better together than the bright ADHD combination of Sonic and Knuckles.
>>538482403>>538478204My brother.
you already posted this yesterday
>>538482650Anon do you have any idea how much overlap there is between troons and autism (Sonic). It's not dying anytime soon.
>>538482765>Sonic vs Knuckles art still? They're friends and Knuckles is factually lame.Did you play Sonic Frontiers
>>538482015Man I love you, the theme goes really well with the pic.
>>538482707>>538482830I feel like I've seen less of it lately compared to like 2021
Chronicles
>>538481845>Enerjak>Scourge>Sally Moon>Stealth the Hedgehog (Spider-Man parody)>Knuckles from Whatever Years Later.>Rotor with his Nanite suite.>Nate Morgan.>Eclipse the DarklingNah, it's full of Archie.
>Sobic
can someone tell me the difference between an archiefag, an everythingfag, and an idwfagi am ignorant. feed me.
Final thoughts on Surge (forma hair down)?
>>538483194Absolutely BUILT for Sonic's cock more than any other character.
>>538483154>archiefagSomeone who likes archie>idwfagSomeone who likes idw>everythingfagSomeone who likes everything or someone who takes bits of different wildly different Sonic material and meshes them together in headcanons or fan material
>>538482765Sonic and Knuckles being contrasts to each other will always create a rivalry
>>538483259BUT
>>538483321Surge would never try and drown Sonic in a rape lake
>>538479592>SageShe's mostly a failed attempt at softening Eggman and also an extremely off-model character for a series like Sonic.>Infinite, Trip, AriemCharacters with wasted potential that were quickly left to rot in the vault as soon as their time in the spotlight ended.>Avatar AKA GadgetHe's pretty much superfluous outside of Forces. His only purpose was for OC creators to project themselves onto him.>BarryExtremely forgettable character. He feels more like a bland IDW background NPC than an actual character.
>>538483194Hairstyle that shouldn't be seen much. Fits better in rare moments where Surge isn't as energetic.
>>538482576Tails has never made anything as impressive as Eggman has even though he's no less intelligent and actively wants to.He doesn't need encouragement for the designing process, that's Tails in his element, where he gets the most work done.Does Tails need fucking motivational posters in his workshop to constantly remind himself that he isn't nothing without Sonic? Or is he really not meant to be anything without Sonic?Does he need a timer that plays an audio file of Sonic going "keep up the good work, buddy!" every half hour for him to get shit done?
Cutemy
>>538483515Only in the english script and dialouge is Sage softening Eggman. Stuff like the Crossworlds animation is how Sage and Eggman really act together
>>538483194Only shippers like her.
>>538482835I loved the zone cops and the multiversal interstate as a concept, the videogame special zone being a pocket dimension was cool too.Very original unlike the portal concept every media use nowadays.Funny enough, the zone cops were created by Dan slott, the guy from spider-man, the cosmic interstate i think is from early archie.
>>538483194Her design is much better with her hair down. It's a shame that blobian females with long hair are rather uncommon in the series.
God. Imagine Surge's reaction if Sonic ever stole her first kiss. She'd probably act flustered and disgusted but she'd secretly love it and put herself in positions for him to do it again. Surge secretly wants Sonic to ravish her.
>>538483515>Characters with wasted potential that were quickly left to rot in the vault as soon as their time in the spotlight ended.You mean like every single secondary sonic character. Only silver and shadow are the exception, everyone else is a one game wonder.
How did t he other anon get 40 achievements already? Am I shit?
>>538483194waste of character redeemed trash
>>538483932Sonurge and Kitails are the supreme endgame ships from IDW.
>>538483932self insert and a rapist? lmao
marry fuck kill
This ship has so much good character development
>>538484196The original looked betterAlso, f, m, k.
>>538483279Joeadok is the god everythig fags.She does it so well.The cool thing about him is how he's not a sonicfag but a segafag as a whole.
>>538484196kill slopurge marry blaze fuck amy
>>538484001Are you 100%ing the maps? so far I have the first two islands 100%'d
Sonic character for this?
>>538484467I guess not, then? I'm also bad with some bosses, I recall avoiding them more than not.
>>538478204Wave is hot, and no one can deny it.
>>538481649>is a zone cop pic as a whole>it's ArchieshitNo shit Sherlock.
>>538484619How long till we get an idw oc with a nosering (that isn't a cow)
Amy, Rouge and Trip are human females wearing blobian costumes. Change my mind.
>>538484925I swear we already had a pic with a lot of oc background characters with at least one with those characteristics on the cleansweep arc.
>>538484947no, you're right
>>538484467I'm a completionist, I don't like leaving an island until I've gotten all the collectibles and S ranked the stages.
>>538483617Tails was already cool and capable before meeting Sonic. What meeting Sonic did for Tails was help him realize that he is already cool and that he just needs to believe in himself. However Tails is also naturally insecure, so it may be tough for him to do so during more difficult times
>>538485000Damn, lol
Sonurge is the kind of ship you would see if Sonic had a 90s Shounen anime!
>>538478204This wave is making me feel funny things. I have a mighty need.
>>538485061Yeah, they are simply larping as blobians.
>>538483970Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Big, Cream and Blaze were all used in multiple games>silverHasn't gotten any meaningful game material since 2007, it's why his fans keep asking for him to have the spotlight again
>>538484925Thanks to the gay penciller that likes to put "clues" about lgbtq+ stuff, we already had a trans oc, so having a nose ring is the least of our problems.
>>538485305>trans ocWho is it
>>538484626The only thing that ruins her are the painfully flat breasts. She looks flatter than Blaze, which is certainly an embarrassing accomplishment.
>>538485064How far into the game are you
>>538484196marry blaze fuck amy kill the green thing
>>538485243How different would Forces have been if Silver replaced Gadget/Avatar?
>>538485340It happened on the idw chao race sorry where rouge tagged along with amy and cream. Can't even remember if it was a dog or a sheep.
>>538484196Marry AmyFuck BlazeKill Surge
>>538485507Very different story wise, and the gameplay would have to revolve around telekinesis rather than WisponsI doubt they would have Sonic Double Boost with Silver. Let's give that to Tails
Help me, I'm looking for my heart againIs it gone?I don't want to wake up to this againIn my mindHelp me, I'm looking for my heart againIs it gone?I don't want to wake up to this againIn my mindNever close to feeling comfortableYou find some peace of mindAlways left my heart at homeSo close but I found mineBut who knowsMaybe you and IWill grow oldIn another life
There is no better ship
>>538485438I'm the anon you were asking about. I beat the game.
>>538485340>>538485562Is the one with the green chao on the head, is the trasn fursona selfinsert of that penciller.
>>538485859I was someone else, sorryI got all the achievements but I also have over 100 hours. I took things very slowly
my only complaint about idw is the human mandate. it feels like i'm reading a fanfic. sega makes the weirdest decisions. I have to force myself into the perspective that this isn't supposed to be like the games I grew up with but Sonic Forces instead.
>>538485305>we already had a trans ocI don't care about what Evan says, Lunar is definitely a female.
>>538485903What did she want him to bust open
>>538486003>it feels like i'm reading a fanficYou are
>>538486003isnt is shifting to post Frontiers' soon?
Say guys, whatever happened with sonic blitz being a everything fag wet dream?
>>538455194ngl sonicbros, having a hard time coming down from the high of sonic 3, and sonic x shadow generations. I need sonic frontiers 2 or something asap, shadow generations was like a good appetizer. Sonic Racing apparently was mid from the what kid that I gave my beta test code to told me. Also no more sega mini consoles :(
>>538485132>I have a mighty needIan, is that you?
>>538486136It was never going to happen. I say this as an "everythingfag". I wouldn't be surprised if there were other times when dead western characters were pitched in spinoff media and then vetoed. This is simply the first time we saw it clearly.
>>538486012They were talking about the background character, but I guess lunar enters on that category too.
>>538486163Same I want to see Frontiers 2The free CrossWorlds test the other day was very well received
>>538486223Ian likes bird characters?
>>538486003The worst part about the human mandate is that the mangas showed up and proved this isn't even Sega's vision anymore. It was just a weird thing for Forces I wish jumping between IDW and the manga felt more cohesive
What if Ian Flynn busted into your house, grabbed and lifted you by the neck, and then threw you at the wall?
>>538486003Sonic fans like to talk as if sega and idw invented retcons. You will be surprised on how common is in every single piece of fictional media, specially talking about the west content.
>>538485946Idk how you could put 100 hours into it. It's not particularly a difficult game, I found it lacking in a lot of areas. Did you just fuck with the physics a lot?
>>538486507nta but yesAlso listening to the koco noises
>>538486506I don't know what your talking about. We have two concurrent Sonic monthlys. IDW is forced to look in a way that is inconsistent with games before and after. If it was a retcon, sure, but this is IDW revolving it's aesthetic around a controversial game that came out eight years ago. Don't you think it's a bit preposterous for Sega to prevent IDW from lining up with RECENT Sonic media?
>>538486507Yes, especially the Homing Dash, but also a lot of that time was playing time attack, island rush, and battle rush. I like to beat my own times occasionally. I still haven't completed a lot of the DLC content so that will extend my play time further as well
>>538486506IDW is the only Sonic content post-movie that act like Sonic lives on a world that is entirely furries. Even Prime technically features more humans with no insinuation that they're some alternate fringe thing.The movies, the manga, tails tube and now the games have completely dropped this concept.
>>538486761IDW takes place on the planet from Forces. TailsTube is noncanon fanservice. Humans live on multiple planets. Unleashed takes place on a third separate planet.
>>538486349Hopefully it turns out to be sega arcadey goodness, if it is alright, I'll pick it up a bit after launch. I guess they must've fixed the issues from the first test.
>>538487192Behold, the last fan of Forces lore alive
>>538455194>/sthg/ - Sobic the Hedgehog General>SobicWho?
>>538485083>Tails is also naturally insecureWhy doesn't he work on that?If Tails views being a sidekick like using training wheels for his own independence and self confidence, when do the training wheels come off?
I really want a followup to sonic superstars with good level, and boss design. I love classic sonic, and if I don't get more standalone 2d classic sonic, I am going to actually lose it. I tried convincing them in feedback to do some dlc atleast.
I want a sequel to Sonic Chronicles
>>538486761>>538486992The fuck are you talking about guys, tailstube already gave us information about human, and those are the same guys who write idw. Heck we even have an entire video with the new character professor Victoria entirely talking about those things.Sage became a thing, maria came back, we know human live mostly on Metropolitan cities, soleanna and westopolis are still a thing, elise somehow still exist.Sega not wanting human appearances was more about sega not wanting to use them than an idw problem until recent times change that.
>>538455194Should I write a green of Sonic and co visiting a zoo like this place?
>>538487576>Sonic Chroniclessorry pal, ken penders just can't let that happen.
>>538487359I don't actually like the lore of Forces, but I've recently come to realize that it makes more sense than I ever wanted to give it credit for, and it also justifies why the landmasses are completely different between SA2, Unleashed, and Forces.There are three known planetsSonic 1 through Shadow 2005 is a planet inhabited by both humans and blobiansUnleashed is a planet inhabited by humansForces is a planet inhabited by blobiansI like TailsTube and I was happy to see it bring everything together, but this kinda makes more sense, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sonic Team ignores or contradicts it in the future
>>538487642I'm going to cry. I just want her back.
>>538487661Ngl anon why do you even bother getting into sonic lore with how garbage it is.
>>538487661I'm going to be honest. I don't care that the world map is inconsistent from each game. You'll notice that whenever it's not openly relevant, the map just warps back to being real world earth (See: Frontiers) . That just tells us that it never really mattered.
>>538486464That would be a ESRB M-Rated situation like the legendary uncensored version of Shadow '05 with swearing by Jason Griffith.Ian is the king of the ring, the eternal champion of Mobius and beyond. Nothing will ever stop him.
>>538486003There is no human mandate. The writers and artists just don't want humans in the comic.
>>538487576I, as a child, believed that Sonic Unleashed took place immediately after Sonic Chronicles.
>>538487975When I was a kid I thought Forces was the followup to Chronicles
>>538487661Two worlds was just a sega excuse to not use humans, and nowadays is not even a thing anymore.The same about classic and modern being alternate dimension, but nowadays we know is the same timeline.Sega just like to make halfased excuse to not explain lore.The same with maginary world, but ignoring it in favor of whatever is called ariem's realm
>>538487975Unleashed always felt like a soft reboot with only Sonic, Tails and Amy plus Chip. Knuckles was surprisingly nowhere to be seen.
>>538488101That was about the time everyone was bitching about Sonic and his hundreds of friends.
>>538488048>When I was a kid I thought ForcesaaaAAAAAAAAAAFUCK
>>538488193No offense but do you have any idea how old Sonic Forces is
>>538487975I used to hear this theory a lot back then. How did it fit? After coming back from the Twilight Cage, Sonic runs to confront Eggman and his fleet?
Forces isn't that old...right?
>>538487975Back then there was no reason to question the canonicity of Chronicles
>>538487696Angel Island could have been repopulated if Knuckles and Shade had become a couple in Chronicles 2, but unfortunately Penders had to ruin everything.
>>538487437>If Tails views being a sidekick like using training wheels for his own independence and self confidenceHe doesn't, Tails is Sonic's sidekick because he likes Sonic>when do the training wheels come off?Tails doesn't have training wheels and whatever major change you want shouldn't happen because these characters were designed to be static>>538487723I like it, and I think it was somewhat consistent enough before Unleashed>>538487854Probably, but it's ridiculous in the case of Unleashed and Forces because the premise of both games is that you're visiting the entire planet>>538488054>not even a thing anymore>nowadays we knowWe'll see about that if this TailsTube stuff ever actually makes it into the games, until then it's fanservice side media>>538488101Technically Shadow, Pachacamac, and Soleanna are mentioned in Unleashed
>>538488307the amount of time between sonic forces and today is greater than the amount of time between Sonic 1 and Sonic Adventure
>>5384882212017 was...oh no
>>538488221>>538488307I was 14 when it came out.I cannot overstate my hatred for Forces, even though 06 is functionally worse, I hate Forces more.
>>538488353>Technically Shadow, Pachacamac, and Soleanna are mentioned in UnleashedContext?
>>538488353>We'll see about that if this TailsTube stuff ever actually makes it into the games, until then it's fanservice side mediaProfessor victoria is already a thing, she even made a came in the sonic 3 movie.
>>538488437And Sonic and Eggman are still not married
>>538488437It's fucked when you realize the classic era only lasted for 6-7 years. Meanwhile, 3D Sonic has been going on for about 27-28 years and counting.
>>538488449Shadow is a dialogue option in town when asked what Dark Gaia's name is. The options are Dark Gaia, Dr. Eggman, and Shadow the HedgehogPachacamac and Soleanna are mentioned on signs in Empire City>>538488560Sonic movie 3 isn't a game. Victoria was mentioned in Shadow Generations, but if you're going to say that means all her side media is canon because of it then you have to be consistent and do the same with IDW and Tangle getting mentioned in Frontiers
>>538488560>Professor victoriaWhat's exactly her appeal anyway?
reminder fangfag was 100% right
>>538488748about? the economy?
>>538488748Context?>>538488779Maybe he was a time traveller?
>>538488687The amount of time between the beginning of the modern Sonic era and today is almost the same than the amount of time between the moonlanding and sa1
>>538488839
>>538488229Yeah, Shade just kinda fucks off.
>>538488914I honestly imagined her just chilling and learning how to adjust to a normal life in the present while Sonic and the rest are adventuring.
>>538488882He was right about Eggdad at least. Eggman has been ruined. He's now a family guy.
>>538488705>Pachacamac and Soleanna are mentioned on signs in Empire CityThat seems really random. I have no idea what a place like Empire City could have to do with a character like Pachacamac.
>>538488965This sonic mf zesty as hell
>>538489098Yeah, Soleanna Hotel makes sense, but Pachacamac Parking is a very random reference
>>538488705>you have to be consistent and do the same with IDW and Tangle getting mentioned in FrontiersI never said tangle amd idw wasnt canon, heck, is a fact tangle ans sticks exist in the games, people hate idw, but even if they hate it is legit official stuff endorsed by sega. Idw being inconsistent is another matter.The same with flynn/Evan hateboner for making "fanfics" when both actively work on actual official sonic stuff.In the end is always an east vs west fight in this fandom.Doesn't matter if you dont like it, is happening in the games.
>>538488353You kind of ignored the part where you addressed a flaw Tails has and I brought that flaw to attention as something Tails could work on.If Tails was as smart and as capable as Eggman, we'd see that, because Tails does not have a self confidence problem when he is in his workshop doing what he does best, he is happy and comfortable there, he not only has no reason to worry or let his doubt get the better of him, he doesn't even have anything to worry about or doubt himself over.If he is able and willing, where're the results? Where's Tails' big mecha? Where's his airship?It's not enough, so I don't care about Sonic's sidekick.
>>538489171This is all completely irrelevant, I said nothing about east vs west. I simply said none of this lore is used in the games so far. They might use it, but don't be shocked if they contradict it
Why does Sonadow always get the amputee gore skull-fucking fetish art
So anyways, Shadria is a canon pairing and it's very based.
>>538489408But does it get amputee fetish art?
>The last time Sonic had a budgethttps://youtu.be/zWAqTbsOIe8?si=W9yYnU2l8DsJSLLb
>>538489356Nta, but shadow generations and frontiers are a thing Anon.
>>538489152Pachacamac is the name of an archaeological site in Peru. Other than the obvious character reference, I don't think that there's anything in-universe that would explain a NYC-inspired city having a sign for some obscure place far away from the United Federation.
>>538489691Neither of those games use TailsTube lore
>>538489089>He's now a family guy.How long until Eggman makes a cameo in The Simpsons and Futurama?
>>538489269Tails made an artificial Chaos Emerald and a translator for the Wisps. I guess Eggman is intellectually inferior after all since he hasn't done those things yet
>>538489685It is great, yeah, but why didnt Eggman use that Anti-Super Sonic device ever again
>>538489842Why do all the streets and businesses in New Donk City reference characters who live on the other side of the planet? Because it's just a reference and that's all there is to it.
>>538489842Yeah you're right
Tails should build his own company to compete with Eggman Industries, MeteorTech Industries, and whatever other company Eggman owns.
>>538489269I've always interpreted it as Eggman having access to more resources
>>538455847>Lanolin and ShadowNot canon. They have never interacted with one another.
>>538490345new day, new babymomma
What would Amy be doing in Silver's future
>>538489941>Proffesor Victoria was the one who restored Gerald's journal.>geralds journal as a whole.>maria explaining human stuff.>tangle and sticks being fully mentioned>humans existing since the adventure games, but not used by sega mandates.>blobians existing as a race instead of being limited to sonic and his cheerleader squad, in crossworlds.I don't know what else to tell you man.
>>538490454crying because muh sonikku died 400 years ago
>>538455885That whole 'Sticks living in Angel Island' fiasco is bizarre. Why is Ian so insistent on making his faulty headcanons canon to the series?
>>538455885>>538490745For real I don't get why people are mad about that stuff, it was just an idea, and wasnt even implemented.I don't even see the problem if it actually happens (it didn't)
*rubs my suspiciously all the sonic girls shaped belly*
>>538490538Everything past your first point are completely irrelevant things that came from the games in the first place, and the first thing you mentioned is just Victoria existing. None of it proves TailsTube is being taken seriously by Sonic Team. They might be taking it seriously, but there is no indication of that as of now>blobians existing as a race instead of being limited to sonic and his cheerleader squad, in crossworlds.Aren't those literally just recycled Forces assets? I don't even know what you're trying to prove. You listed a bunch of random facts that have nothing to do with TailsTube, or Forces being contradicted
>>538490454The important job of being deadOr if you read Ian's fanfic, she would be the guardian of the Time Stones
>>538490635Nah, Amy's rotting carcass will be six feet under by then.
Sonic characters for this feel?
>>538490927How the fuck tailstube and frontiers mentioning idw is not relevant?You're just being biased.
>>538490906That's a lot of girls
>>538461134I want to facefug this bug.
>>538491072?????What do you think my point is exactly? Please explain it in your own words to see if we're on the same page, the responses you're giving me appear to be completely random nonsense
>>538490927Just admit you're wrong, is way easier, don't act as if you're neutral on things.
>>538490038Eggman's fake rock is the thing that made Tails think the person using had beaten Sonic to death, the fake emerald is not better than the Phantom Ruby that Infinite used in Forces.Why would Eggman bother making a translator for the Wisps? They're nothing but a power source to him, he doesn't need nor want to have a conversation with them. What he did with the Wisps was mind control powerful enough to dominate Tails' own mind, potentially the world, and create a robot that Tails didn't think Sonic could beat even with his help, even then the only reason Sonic survived was because the Wisps saved him, and because Eggman neglected to suck up the Wisps Sonic used for the Final Color Blaster.>>538490276>>538490404Tails already has a business, it's called Prower Projects and it's on the side of the Cyclone.You really think a 1 in several billions genius like Tails wouldn't be approached with deals by resource wealthy political figures like the U.F. president or the G.U.N. commander? That'd be extremely foolhardy of them when Eggman is constantly threatening the planet with world domination and actually succeeded at one point.
>>538491149What am I wrong about?
>>538475259>Ian himself admitted on his podcast that people only like him for SonicHow much familiar is Ian with the Mario series? Apparently the Super Mario Bros Encyclopedia was pretty bad.
>>538491139>>538491149Stopy guys, you're clearly on deaf ears.
>>538491251Fair points>>538491375Just answer the question. What do you think I'm wrong about? Nothing in that post addressed what I brought up
The Shadria fight 3 threads ago was insane
>>538491375Why people here are so Assmad about actual sega social media lore?It basically goes to>but it didnt happens in the games. Therefore is not canonJesus guys, it was a fun way to explain things and thats it.Why grown ass men take thing so seriously, even the game faild hard at being consistent, specially talking about gumans.
>>538490538>tangle being fully mentionedContext?
>>538491751Shadria attracts lots of vitriol.
>>538491853Here dudehttps://youtu.be/Tbgc758HJAk?feature=sharedhttps://youtu.be/xehEP9CKMQk?feature=shared
>>538491853>>538491976Bonus points about sonic actually loving amy.https://youtu.be/sBIH0j3UyLE?feature=shared
>>538491806I'm not mad about anything. I like TailsTube. I would enjoy its lore getting used in the games, it would basically legitimize a lot of my headcanons.>Why grown ass men take thing so seriouslyI have so far seen zero indication that TailsTube lore will actually affect the games going forward>>538491853Ian Flynn snuck in references to their names in Frontiers. Sticks was removed from the Japanese version because Kishimoto rewrote the dialogue to be more in-character and Sticks just so happened to get in the way of that. Tangle was kept because she was mentioned in side dialogue that they translated without making any changes
Why is Honey speaking Spanish?
>>538477648>>538478219>whose fault was that specifically?Literally Evan. Ian outright said himself he didn’t want Tangle and Whisper to be a thing even while the mini series released. Evan dragged it out when she took over the comic and is responsible for all their crying and hugging bullshit. Tangle and Whisper were actually more tolerable under Ian and did cool action shit like fighting badniks. Under Evan, Whisper forgets to be a sniper and Tangle doesn’t do anything
>>538492084She will get deported soon
I feel like Surge was meant to have this climactic, eye opening and philosophical arc and it didn't pan out because this entire concept requires Sonic to have character development to function
>>538492139>Honeyspic>BlazepajeetaThey will be deported to the vault. KEK
>>538491806>Why grown ass men take thing so seriously, even the game faild hard at being consistent, specially talking about gumans.Yeah, the actual videogames have the same problem, someone above mentioned maginary world and the reverie, on my personal opinion, a wasted opportunity to make a good reference or connection.
>>538492252Surge is a failed rival experiment just like Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Jet, Zavok and so on. The WIND has no need for rivals.
>>538492315>Lumina and void will always be deadToo bad, I really liked their designs.
>>538490745Ian wanted an excuse to get Knuckles off the island. He basically wanted to introduce Sticks and then have her practically benched by babysitting the Master Emerald while Knuckles goes out. Ian didn't really give a shit about Sticks, he was just gunning for a plot device to benefit Knuckles -- his favorite character.>>538490864Because Ian didn't budge on this pitch until Sticks was discarded by Sega altogether. He could've simply just introduced her as Amy's friend from the wild like she was supposed to be.
>>538491149>>538491287 (Me)>no responseFigures. I'm going to sleep, bye.
>>538492491I don't know, sticks living near mystic ruins, sounds like a funny idea. Flynn hateboner aside.
>>538492292Toyoda said Blaze is Roman
>>538475582Sonic is the wind
Shuffle will always be the forgotten Dreamcast Sonic game. If Sega ever announces some sort of Dreamcast remaster collection someday, you can pretty much bet that Shuffle will be ignored and barely anyone will remember it. It's sad, but that's the way things are.
>>538490864It was a stupid idea that interferes with Angel Island for no reason and it seemingly ended up ruining Sticks' chances of getting into the comics or other material
>>538492675Because Sega's stance on Sticks was already decided in Sonic Runners and Sonic Channel, but Ian tried to push his own premise purely to get Knuckles off the island and it just ended up getting Sticks thrown in the vault.
>>538492691Isn't Honey also supposed to be Chinese?
>>538492850if sega wanted to do anything serious besides the supplementary hellokitty which is of min to zero importance, she would have been around. but they had nothing in mind, and they didn't like what Ian had in mind, so they pulled the plug.
>>538492816The whole "Sticks was actually on Angel Island the enire time and her and Knuckles never ran into each other and Sticks thinks she's the guardian of the island" pitch was so dumb even for Ian. What the fuck was he smoking?
>>538492850Other than Sticks, are there any chances of the other Boom characters returning in the future?
>>538492491Mcguffins and characters being plot devices are the most common trope on literal anything.Relic did the same on archie, and it was fine, maria was originally that kind of character too.And by god, knuckles actually needs an excuse to get out of angel island to make him go for new adventures with sonic and friends.
>>538472823Let's seehttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/206565177/endless-fantasia>Project is being actively pushed by kickstarter>60 day fundingLooks more like people are funding it out of pity but a win is a win. Of course, there's always a chance that the project still fails but that seems unlikely at the moment. Still a farcry from actual big crowdfunders like picsreel.
>>538492970No. Only Sticks had the smallest chance since she was a main character in Boom alongside the original game cast and that was blown.
>>538492970like fucking WHO? the monkey?
>>538492850I can even remember what sonic runners said about sticks.But knowing somic team, it was probably the most generic shit ever.
>>538493010Then Ian should've tried introducing a new character, not trying to retool Sticks. Plus, Knuckles never needed an excuse. There are several games where he's just off the island.
Getting Knuckles off Angel Island for any reason but:>the Master Emerald is gone and he needs to get it back>the world might end and that will take Angel Island with it>he was taken away from Angel Island against his own will and he needs to get backIs inherently stupid because it's not hard to do any of these three.
>>538493042that snake villain guy
>>538493130Penders could have created a Knuckles clone for Ian to use.
>>538492970No, Sticks only had a chance because she’s been in a modern continuity game (olympics) and soj drew her in modern continuity comic strips
>>538493212until it gets so overdone like knuckles eating eggman's bait
>>538493130You know People will bitch about not having an explanation anyway. Is a lose-lose situation.>no explanation Cheap writing, what a hack. >explanation Why do we need an explanation? Is convoluted and unnecessary Sonic fans are like that, we are virtually impossible to please.
>>538493212Knuckles should have been just a one-off character. His subsequent appearances were a huge mistake.
>>538493213he is the reason why i think sonic boom was there before the avatar
>>538493385He was too popular with fans and too liked by Sega at the time to just get rid of.
>>538492850>ian blamed for sticks getting vaultYeah, let's ignore boom was a comercial failure.She was mentioned on frontiers anyway, we dont need further explanation.
>>538493385Penders' complicated echidna lore mogs sega's try hard nonsense. they should have adopted Archie.>>538493442>into the sonicverse
>>538493442Well, the last cosmetic you unlock is the Sonic boom scarf...
>>538492126>Ian outright said himself he didn’t want Tangle and Whisper to be a thing even while the mini series released.Wait...
>>538493442You're thinking about the rumor about the Avatar originally being Boom Sonic before changing it after Boom flopped?
>>538493504You must be new here.Looking at the Bumblekasts where Ian Flynn talks about Sticks and how he failed to get her in the main continuity is just sad.Ian's initial pitch, have Sticks living on Angel Island breaking Classic canon. Turn her into Relic 2.0 while making Knuckles look even dumber.https://www.youtube.com/live/RSPwaUS_7IE?si=dD81vCnTzdJfTREn&t=3105Ian being confronted about his earlier claim of getting Sticks into IDW.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N06yxiZk58&t=2028sIan sounding like he just got deep dicked by SoJhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI0Jf3VssnU&t=3094sIan being confronted with how stupid his initial pitch was followed by damage control.https://youtu.be/NAStM_NsRsI?si=Slvo51rK_835_8gi&t=2448Ian being reminded that Sticks was part of the main cast...Totally didn't know she was in Sonic Runners.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI0Jf3VssnU&t=5953sIan admitting defeathttps://youtu.be/iI-9RLmfnUY?si=NU-ZJfqRr7YjXUxN&t=152TLDR; Long long time ago, SoJ told Ian, "No introductions, just have her appear." and he didn't do that. Now he has to live with his failure. He tried a Hail Mary with Sonic Frontiers but that got cut from the Japanese version. SoJ had to put the Amerigaijin in his prace.Someone should do a version of this for the Freedom Fighters. Would be funny.
>>538493504>Yeah, let's ignore boom was a comercial failure.They were still willing to give Sticks a shot after the fact.>She was mentioned on frontiers anyway, we dont need further explanation.Removed from the japanese version.
>>538493520Thank God about sega mandates.Does people really think sega doesn't have the upper hand on these kind of things? People blame flynn for literally anything.
>>538493478So basically the same thing that happened with Shadow.Just imagine how different things would be in a timeline where Knuckles and Shadow are only one-off characters forgotten in the vault.
>>538493705The man confessed to loads of shit on his podcast. Most of the problems you see when he writes is from him.
>>538493648>"No introductions, just have her appear."that's literally inline with what he had in mind tho. she just appears in angel island. sonic team's problem was with angel island. they they REALLY wanted sticks they could have told him to do something else instead of just tossing her out. but as I said, ST had nothing in mind for her.
/ifg/ - Ian Flynn General
>>538493860>Lies by ommisionThe video is right there. You have no power here.
>>538493306Knuckles stopped doing that and everyone got on his case whenever it happened again, it's probably the only time where Knuckles has managed to legitimately piss Sonic off.>>538493385Knuckles being involved is fine, he just needs more of a justification than Tails or Amy do, he also needs to actually accomplish something unlike in Lost World where he does literally nothing and shouldn't even be with Amy.
Needs more fat tits
>it was ian's big plan to get the freedom fighters back KWAB
>>538493520I’m talking about thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjT_IUSejZM at 23:45>”No immediate plans for a big Tangle/Whisper arc. Depending on how well the mini-series does will affect that in part. I don't want to call them a team like Sonic and Tails, just because I don't want them to be forever attached to each other. They weren't intended to be a duo, they were meant to be their own individual characters. They're great together! They're a lot of fun! But I don't want it to become a thing like Tangle shows up so Whisper HAS to show up. You know, whether or not the story is geared for that, I want them to be their own separate entities to tell their own stories. But they do work well together."
Shadow sat here
>>538494031Holy shit, this didn't age well...
>>538493648>>538493671>stick being vaulted because flynn/reasons>she was discarded on the Japanese script>English frontiers script was the original >even the Japanese agreed it is the better version>No one even fucking remembers she already made her main appearance on the main universe. Since the 2016 Olympic games, way before flynn.>is a spinoff, doesn't count.You guys suck, but joking aside, I like that she uses spats, and I hope she can make more appearances.
>>538494164Evan moment
MIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>538494336Good post>inb4 samefagKYS
>>538492970Maybe perci? shes was originally supposed to be a main character, but was discarded for some reason.
>>538494015Dude didn't even know the that version used in Origins was the one that didn't have the Freedom Fighters either. Kek.
>>538492970Zooey was a cute character.
Amy's Crossworld's interactions feel like some kind of psyop to make people finally hate Nu-Amy by making us HEAR what IDW Amy's dialogue sounds like
>>538494031And then Ian saw people on xitter say "We want them to be lesbians!" and he changed his mind immediately.
>>538494657It's working
>>538494206Is baffling people don't remember her main universe appearance, but no one bought a wii u, so I can't really blame them.
>>538494657people won't connect the dots anon>thinking that people will turn up on idw
>>538494704I think he’s just holding his tongue because Evan started pushing it so hard
>>538494657Amy is supposed to be 12 years old yet sounds like a 40-something year old Karen. How was this considered the solution to make Amy "badass" to the fans?
>>538494206Kek, no one replied to you
>>538494663>I would have sex with him but it would ruin his reputationMy knees...
>>538494657its what is going to kill ian or at least make him leave sonic that or sonic 4
I ALMOST said they should just give Ian a girlboss character who's whole personality revolves being motherly and bossy so he can have an outlet for this shit but then I caught myself
>>538494857sonic media released after Dec 2005 is mostly shit. not just the games
>>538494206She appeared on sonic runners too, way before flynn, while that game developer is sonic team.
>>538492667Yeah, go suck dicks before bed. You need your milk.
>>538495437>groom doom
Shadria
>>538495862she looks so happy!
>>538494657Shipping fags are still mad about how amy is more than sonic stalker cheerleader?
>>538495918they will be married in movie 4
>>538496004>>538496004>>538496004
>>538495979They were married in movie 3
>>538494206Yeah, shit being discarded on the japanese script is a shit response when even the Japanese hated that shitty localization.Most of them prefer the original script.
>>538494031They literally don'tThey literally, literally don't work well together at all
