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Care to do some banking, dearie?
can a nigga find a map
>>538881671you forgot the previous thread>>538788341>>538788341>>538788341
were the minions before karmelita really necessary
>>538881671Previous>>538788341
>raging conchflyis this truly necessary
How am I missing this many what the frick
>>538881964that guy has a lot of hp
can I somehow bind tools to one button like 1 and 2?
>>538881964It's for the greater good (THAT journal entry).
>>538881964the raping conchfly
going through bilewater, dying over and over, I just don't really care about he worms anymorethis genuinely sucks, I'd prefer to fight beastfly 5 times in a row rather than spend another minute exploring this shithole
is this truly the closest bench i have to this bullshitwhat a gay nigger faggot slave area
>>538882081nah the controls on pc are shitthe only solution would be an autohotkey script, but those can be unreliable
this is the only thing in the game that made me sad... rip green nigga
>>538882326no, it's not
whoever said that the final boss is easy clearly didnt go for the secret ending because beating her without cheating (tools) and healing took me a fucking hourat least I have that out of the way
>>538882530WHERE IS IT? Can i fix the trapped bench? I checked initially, but didn't find a way
>>538882716it's not anywhere near the broken bench and you need to swim in piss water to find it (you can get out safely later with harpoon)
Finally found Pilby if you make him survive.You need to acquire double jump for them to appear on Pilgrim's rest.
>>538882326I killed the boss on my second try. Did you know that he can be cheesed? I’ll leave you to figure out how.
>>538882836Fiiiine, i'll swim in piss, thanks
I'm kinda stumped, both on that flea and on that upwards path in Vaults. I've poked around towards that at every angle and found nothing.
how good is the rosary gun?
>>538883801secret path near the top of the vaults if i remember correctly
>>538883801top of the tallest room in vaults
>widow
I made a weird statement a few threads ago about how the Psalm that features someone being operated on and you hearing their painful moans was being done on Trobbio. For some reason I saw the word conductor and associated it with him, but it's not really related. The conductor is just the operator.
>coral tower gauntletnigga u srs
>>538884836Coping on here isn’t gonna clear those waves. Get back to it, waive.
>>538884192>>538884309Here? I've checked every inch of those walls and ceilings. Nothing.
>>538884471Widow was a fun boss. Easier than that ceiling cunt that throws those whirlwind adds at you.
>>538885160Pic.
>>538885353should be there yehim 90% sure i found it from the tunnel leading up on the right though
>>538884471Gotta agree with >>538885329 . Widow felt easier to handle.You can hit her diagonal bells if it's too hard to dodge them.
can I have a list of things to do before act 3?I did every side quests that I knowI found all the fleasI beat shakra... and I probably forgot a bunch of thingsthe only areas I havent fully explored are sand of karak and some parts of the memorium should I go explore them before act 3?
>>538884836oh nvm I guess the gauntlet was supposed to be the boss, cause the pillars dude was a total pushover
Do I want to waste a key on this?
>>538886107GET EVERY ARCHITECT ITEM GET ALL OF THEM GET THEM ASAP
i just got the claw line and i'm stuck herei can't find any way to get out the path on the right is blocked, the path on the left is also blocked and the way up is blocked too
>>538886531opening on the floor next to the bench
>>538886402You get a gun A really cool one
>>538886408got itI only have 1 craftmetal on me right now but I'll just look up where are the ones I missed
>>538886408 How did your architect die? What's the conditions for that. Mine is still live in act three even with all items purchased.
>>538886402There are four keys and four places to use them so you're not locking yourself out anything. But in terms of usefulness doors in wormways and deep docks should be higher priority than this door and green dude's cage.
Oh, wait, I think I found it, there's a passage in the drop towards Bilewater.Man, I am fucking sick of everything deal 2 damage. Especially platforming hazards. You already get sent back to the last checkpoint in the section, there's no reason at all for it to also hurt you that much.
>>538886616I don't know she's just gone :(I went back to craft the silkshot (didn't know you can craft it yourself for the cooler one) and i found her slumped over
So we all agree this is the worst runback and the worst boss in the entire game right? Okay good just wanted to check
>>538886782Yupnothing worse than this and I would be raging harder if it wasn't at the very end of act 2 where you can cheese him with the right tools
>>538886616Nta, but I've bought all his items, after that he's said something along the lines of "my lifespan is nearing the end". And the next time I've visited him he's dead.
>>538886587it's just a dead endand i can't break anything
>>538886782Correct, it's like they concentrated all the bad parts of the game into one area so the rest of the game was as good as possible.
>>538883801>on that upwards path in Vaultsthere isn't even a wall to break, wtf u doin
>>538887202boss is easy and runback is like 45s(you) issue
>>538887202Already found that one, anon.
>>538886906You can cheese him without ever using a tool. If you sit in the maggot water under the ledge at the very edge of the room, virtually none of his attacks can hit you. The only one is when he occasionally randomly pops out of the water right under you, but you can swim to dodge it and then lodge yourself back into the corner. If you just wait to punish his suck attack with a quick hit, he will literally never touch you for the entire fight. It’s laughably easy.
>>538887435so what are you looking for thenthe way to go up in the room with the stone spikes that leads to bilewater?
>>538887473Ok but using architects crest feels good and I love drilling shitty bosses into oblivion
>>538886991go left and activate a lever up top after you drop there, it'll open a path to a nearby tube
Beat Cogwork Dancers The ending of that battle was kinda sad. Did anyone play the needolin for the last one?
>>538886782>runback is like 45 seconds, with a bunch of respawning mosquitoes that can heal you to full before the gauntlet>every single attack of groal is directional and thus all of them are avoided in the same way by just pogoing on top of his headthere are meme bosses tougher than groal, you're just a stupid ape with lacking pattern recognition skills
My only complaint with the final boss has to be that every single move except 1 is pitch black, and the floor is black, and the boss itself is black, and the last phase gets really fucking spammy so its hard to see whats actually happening or when you can actually hit back wihtout some hidden projectile sending you back to the bench
So, what's the verdict on the crests?
>538887687
>>538886782It's not the worst boss, but it's definitely the worst runback. >>538887536I was, and found it already.
>>538886934I still have to buy her last item. I got the endings and I'm missing 2 craft metal.
WERE ANY OF THESE FUCKING BOSSES PLAYTESTED? THEY ALL HAVE TOO MUCH FUCKING HP
i used these little guys as much as i could in the first game even though they weren't very goodpoison cogflies being one of the best builds now warms my heart
>>538888387Maybe they all have HK levels of HP, and Hornet is just weaker compared to The Knight.
>>538887861>suck in: left or right>green orbs: left or right>spells: left or right>none: above the boss>>538887971>but it's definitely the worst runbackI beat the boss on 4th try so I was wildly unpracticed at the route and it took just over a minute (add a few seconds to climb up from the bench) - this is with failing a jump and checking the map halfway through as I went in a different directionthere's practically no difficulty here, it's not even remotely as annoying as, say, entire coral gauntlet just to get to the boss
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>>538888809fugg forgot to include the wildly inefficient example of my runback
>>538888809I beat it on the 2nd. It's a bad runback. I don't think it's as hard as people say, but it's still bad.
>>538887786Architect > Reaper = Shaman > Hunter = Wanderer > Witch >>> Beast
>>538889064>It's a bad runbackin what way???you have a short climb with pogos and maybe need to use one heal if you swim through cancer without the charm>>538889085reaper is shitwanderer is overpowered as hell, single best all purpose crest. architect has infinite damage but when it's bad it's awful
>>538889085Witch is great get better at the game.
I CAN'T BEAT WIDOW
How the fuck do I get anywhere on the mountain without freezing my balls off?
>>538889530What Crest are you using? I used Wanderer's and it worked pretty well. Is there a specific move of her that you could problems with?
>>538889687I WAS USING REAPER AND IT FUCKING SUCKEDNOW IVE SWITCHED TO BEAST AND IT SUCKS LESSTHIS BOSS FIGHT IS BULLSHIT SHE HAS TOO MUCH FUCKING HP AND THERE'S SHIT FLYING EVERYWHERE
im getting filtered by karmelita last phase my mistakes keep spiraling
>>538889834Go to sleep
>>538889756You need to learn angles. Avoiding shit is more important than doing damage.
>>538889652gotta go fast
>>538889652Do you have your L2 movement ability?
>>538887786Reaper is overrated.
>>538889360>get better at the gameIf that's a requirement to make a crest work it means that crest sucks.
>>538889968This. Also I'm a dumbass and it took me way too long before I figured out you can bind heal in midair.
>>538888843>reaper at 1lord have mercy upon those poor soulsNo fucking shit you people screech about the game being difficultmight as well use beast
>>538887786>>538888843>Hunter7/10 good default crest, both upgrades bump it up to 8 >Reaper6.5/10 great range, hitboxes can be a bit wonky, takes some getting used to, a bit slow for me personally>Wanderer10/10 no notes>Beast4/10 for now, I haven't used it enough, the pogo is unreliable at best and the lack of a real heal was too intimidating. In subsequent playthroughs I'll give it a better shot.>Architect8.5/10 tools are broken, 3 tools and the ability to craft more on the fly is super broken, drilling is very fun>Witch7/10 I really love the moveset, especially the pogo, I didn't use it much this playthrough, so might change my opinion later>Shaman9/10 why did we have to get it so late, I had already beaten every boss before the final one by the time I found it NG+ mode when
>>538889264It's a fairly long climb, and one that sends you all the way back to the start if you screw up, which is easy to do with the random-ass mosquitos around. It's involved and unforgiving. >but you can do it fast!That doesn't matter. The speed of a runback is only a small part of how hard or bad a runback is.>>538889652You gotta platform quickly. It's a test of your needle dash, and pf how well you've internalized the platforming mechanics in this game. Can you judge what you need to do as soon as you see it? If not, you're gonna have a bad time.Bring the wall-clinging charm, it helps. The speedy dash one helps considerably less, it's mostly a vertical race. Bring the longer, stronger heal one too to make the little silk you get go further. The treck from the first bench to the second is probably the hardest stretch, so don't give up.
>>538890168What's your problem with it? It has the best down slash in the game and the most useful binding. >>538890394Is shaman really that good? I got annoyed with the binding. It's probably bad on purpose because of everything else but it's probably the best for movement since you get double distance with a pogo.
>>538889756Both reaper and beast are the two meme crestsWidow is trivialized by being near/on a wall, almost nothing can touch you there. Kind of a shame as it’s a fun boss otherwise
why the fuck does the high halls gauntlet have so many waves
>>538887786in terms of dps potential wanderer > evolved hunter = shaman > beast > witch & reaper architect tool spam is OP obviously but its a limited resource
>>538890363t. wanderer-peasant
>>538888387It gets better at mid game when you have access to more tools and tool slots so you can spam their final phases to death. Early game bosses do (did?) feel like they have a little too much health though.
https://files.catbox.moe/x0jr59.mp4>me after beating my face into the same boss for three hours straight
>>538890394Shaman really annoys me, it’s the only decent alternative to wanderer but you get it just as the game is pretty much over
>>538890559>Can you judge what you need to do as soon as you see it? If not, you're gonna have a bad time.It also helps to have a good sense of when and how to bail back to the last warm place when you make a mistake.
nigga it's a video game millions of people beat you're not tough shit
>>538890562>the most useful bindingThat binding is ass. Witch is carried purely by the excellent moveset.
>>538890567>reaper a meme crest>reaper in the same category as fucking beastHow dare you?>>538890575Because it's filling in for an actual boss fight and there's a bench right next to it.
>>538890559> It's a fairly long climbIt takes LITERALLY ONE MINUTE and is much simpler to execute than last judge… hold on did you run from the fast travel bench rather than the bench close to the boss?
>>538890562>Is shaman really that good?Honestly I haven't tried it too much, I might be overhyping it, but it just seems so promising that I just wish we got more time with it.
>>538890853Why do you think it's ass? It does a shitload of damage if you build it right.
>>538891034Too risky and unreliable.
>>538890945Beast is better than reaper, because it has an actual niche. Reaper is just "why" tier
>>538890871Reaper has a normal heal so it’s better than beast but you attack at the speed of a dead cripple and the extra range doesn’t matterwanderer is strictly better, and by a very significant margin - same moveset but much faster, ie more damage, more silk, more everything>but short rangedoesn’t matter. I don’t even use longclaw that’s how little it matters in practice (somewhat surprising desu, but then longclaw is a shitty 10% buff so)
>>538891073It's only risky if you don't know positioning.
>>538891225Spoken like someone that was filtered by the timing required for slower attacks
nothing compares to the amount of hits you can get in with wanderer
if I used the key to get to the deep dock area instead of moss grove am I locked out of wanderer for like another dozen fucking hours?
>>538890394I would love to play through the whole game with shaman its such a fun crestArchitect too big fan of the attacks, and tools are my favorite part of the game
>>538891558Yeah but it's boring.
>>538891356This isn’t dark souls where a slow sword does 3x the damage, you’re just being slow for absolutely no gain. The only “benefit” of reaper is its special silk generation after binding but honestly it’s kind of garbagereaper actively makes the game harder, it’s a noob trap for people who can’t deal with hunter pogo and never tried wanderer because they think the range disadvantage matters
>>538891356What do you MEAN required? Why would it be required if the fucking strikes deal the same damage as any other crest?? That's just fucking stupid. Why would I use a wanderer with significantly less DPS?
>>538891743that is factual indeed
I'm trying to use architect and i keep accidentally reloading my tools instead of healing it's killed me multiple times now
>>538891265>you attack at the speed of a dead crippleYou massively overstate it's slowness.>and the extra range doesn’t matterAnd massively understate it's range. >>538891283I love witch, but I'm not about to pretend the heal isn't risky. You can make it work, but it's fucking hard use, and only gets harder as you get further in the game and the bosses get faster.
>>538891283Yeah sure, if you "git gud" then the crest choice barely matters at all.
>>538891697I like tools but the cost to use them sucks. I stopped using architect after losing all my beast shards. >>538891781It has larger range and knock back making it safe when other crests would be unsafe. Which is why it's used over other things.
>>538891781The range disadvantage DOES matter but only in the sense that you have to account for it.I think the real detriment of the Wanderer crest is only one red slot.
Played through most of the game with reaper but beat the final boss with shaman despite never using a single silk skill during the fightShaman has the most fun moveset in the whole game followed up by architect which sadly gets overshadowed by its tool spam (i might do a 2nd playthrough and build architect for attacks only the drill htis are incredible)
>>538891558Beast compares actually. Outperforms even. Just put on a weighted bracelet and facetank shit. If you don't need to pogo a lot it can be amazing. I solved several bosses with it
what do you even get by beating Groal?
>>538891916How? You gotta hold up for that, just don't. The only real problem with architect is the down attack.
Funny thing is — the only people who shit on reaper like their life depends of it are wandererfags.
>>538891946I rarely run out of tools when running architect because I always make a point to stockpile shard bundles when at any town that sells themArchitects base moveset is just so fun that I don't mind the shard costs
>>538892151I'm used to healing midair holding whatever direction I want and not needing to think about it
>non-wanderer non-architect>I like doing less damage
>>538892150Sense of pride and accomplishment.
>>538891663I think you only need float and wall climb to access wanderer, and you can skip the boss required for wall climb.
>>538892264I am a hunterfag and beastfag. Reaper is 4/10
>>538892264Wrong I'm a Hunterchad.
>>538892097Same, used reaper basically since I got it. Tried witch and architect, but keep going back to reaper. I recognize that other crests are probably statistically better for bosses, but I'm so used to reaper that I end up doing worse with them anyway. >>538892150Item for the true end, an alternate entrance to Putrified Ducts.
>>538891946>>538891932Switch to wanderer NOW and go play with it for half an hour. I guarantee you won’t go back to reaper. It does more damage, it lets you avoid more damage, it gives you more silk, it even gives you a lot unintender parries for free since you mash attack so quickly. The only downside is that it’s so brainlessly strong you probably won’t switch to anything else because it feels horrible to go to a slower crest after gettibg used to a fast one, and all crests are slow compared to wanderer.I can accept people shilling weird stuff like architect or witch cause they clearly have a niche, but people saying reaper is good are objectively wrong. It has absolutely no upsides over other crests as best I can tell.
>>538892264I only started noticing how "slow" reaper was when i swapped to it in the final boss fight just to see how my "main style" would work I was committed to beating it with only shamans base kit & reaper really did feel a bit too clunky but thats probably cuz i built up like an hour of muscle memory on shaman before that Reaper staggers stuff so much faster than any other style & the range + passive makes healing so much easierthe only style I would genuinely consider bad is Beast because it has no room for customization outside of your 1 blue slot in vesticrest
Is this game made by japanese devs?We get to walk in on a little boy in a bathhouse
>>538892264I was a reaper fag until I realize it just does no damage>your attacks are now slower for no benefit
>>538892740>hitting on Green Prince>hitting on shota
Last flea. I think I see a hole in the ceiling of the passage bellow it, that's what the red marker is for, but it's way too high to reach. >>538892632>Switch to wanderer NOW and go play with it for half an hour. I guarantee you won’t go back to reaper.I don't have much game left to use it in, but alright.
>>538892740This is canon to Hornet's interests. We can only guess at what she does to Sherma if the player logs out here... truly horrifying.
>>538892583>I recognize that other crests are probably statistically better for bosses,Reaper is specifically better for bosses because of its stagger damage letting you stun bosses more times between phase changes Reaper is just extremely comfortable to play because of its tool slots & the easy pogo but if I had to pick the most fun crest it'd be shaman or architect
>people shilling reaper>people shilling architect for tool usage rather than for drills dealing truly absurd damageNo wonder some people think that SK is way harder than HK and are strugglebussing every other boss
>It has absolutely no upsides>ignores reach>ignores dash attack>ignores pogo>ignores abilityeat more crayons
The Silk skill Dash seems strong
finally fuck this cunt holy shit what a terrible fight
Hornet wears silk.
>>538892950Reaper is not even that bad I never struggled while using it Architects strength comes from the broken moveset im pretty sure everybody knows that
>weaver queenthink i got the bad ending bros...
>>538891998>I think the real detriment of the Wanderer crest is only one red slot.I thought so at the beginning but in reality it dodn’t really matter. The only place where two red slots mattered for me was the high halls gauntlet, where two large bugs spawned. I switched to wanderer shortly after that and I barely used tools ever since
Why the hell does the Needolin cost silk to use?
>>538892908>I think I see a hole in the ceiling of the passage bellow it, that's what the red marker is for, but it's way too high to reach. hmm >I don't have much game left Are you sure about that?
>>538893275can stun enemies for as long as you hold it downthe yellow tool you get in one of the weaver nests makes the effect AOE
>>538892948>Reaper is specifically better for bosses>Reaper is just extremely comfortable to playTell that to the fucking up-air, especially since you get it right before a flying boss. Number 1 reason I dropped it.
>>538893447the up air? like the upwards swing? yeah it has really good range I like it a lot
>>538893367>in one of the weaver nestsisn't it just sold by the citadel merchant?
Why does Silksong both want you to be very cautious but also go super fast zoomie zoom zoom?
>>538893559Im ngl the final boss might have fried my brain ur probably right my bad
>>538892980Can't forget the extra red tool slot. The DPS increase this can give in later phases of bosses is huge.
>>538893447Yeah, the up attack is the worse part about it. Way too narrow. Seems every crest has at least one bit of shit stuck to it.
>>538893275>>538893367it also makes some enemies attack each other, haven't tested it much, but I accidentally found that out yesterday when fast travelling near a pondcatcher and he started killing pond skippers
>>538893116Yes I’m sure it’s the moveset and not the drill doing 6x the normal damage, which lets you literally oneshot most of the tanky enemies if you use the bug meth tool alongside it
>>538893635because the game is good
>>538893525Reaper's upwards swings suck because they come from behind you which is weird as fuck. Also normal horizontal swings have really annoying alternate pattern (top swing - bottom swing). Reaper's biggest strengths is pogo attack and dash attack.
>>538889756In all seriousness, you should be fine with just hunter crest against her. She moves fast, so you might have to dash to hit her sometimes. You can heal while on walls btw.
>>538892908If you haven’t yet devoured eva you have more left than you thinkare you even in act 3?
i think i despise karmelita
>>538893863I never really struggled with reapers upswing it just has a pretty narrow hitbox which you rarely even deal with since the side swings reach far up on their own I almost never even bother swinging up because I can sweing to the sides and still hit my target
HOW?Or do I have to come back later?
>>538893782Don't some enemies already do that on their own?
wait... that clawmaiden room in high halls...does that turn them all off, everywhere, forever?could i have done that before the gauntlet fight to make it easier?
>>538894060Finish that area and you'll understand
>>538890941How fucking long has this post been sitting here? Why do I have this general open twice?>It takes LITERALLY ONE MINUTEYeah, that's fairly long. >and is much simpler to execute than last judgeHard disagree. Judge is mostly horizontal, Bilewater is mostly vertical, by that virtue alone it's harder. Hell, you can even make Judge easier by getting double jump first, Bilewater doesn't have anything like that.
>>538894060There’s a bird at the top of the mountain, go beat it up
>>538894067maybe I'm just blind, I'll go and see
>>538893987>If you haven’t yet devoured eva>act 3And a fuck you to you too, anon.>>538893362Thanks, will poke harder. Really hate poking on this mountain, it's so hard to get anywhere. >Are you sure about that? Well not anymore.
This fight made me have homosexual thoughts..
>people doing bilewater runback from the other end of the zone instead of using the ”hidden” bench>people using fucking reaper and thinking it’s anything but assit’s really odd how comfy threads had decent players but here it’s shitter central
Motherfucker, how long has this been here?
what is this fucked up retarded ass map
>>538894771Uh, since like beating Fourth Chorus or so
>>538894203> Judge is mostly horizontal, Bilewater is mostly verticalYou climb more to get to judger than you climb to get to groal, unless you’re a dumbass who missed a bench
>>538894772I've been there and it doesn't even show for me.
I did it, 5s Groal kill, FUCK BILEWATER.4 poison cogflies + spamming curveclaws at tool dmg lvl 4 meant he didn't even get attempt an attack
>>538894067>>538894246yup I'm blind, the guy was killing him by default when I loaded the room, he stops if you aggro him though, even if you go outside of his range and goes back to neutral state
>>538895280It only shows after widow gets bonked and you climb above the hobo snail
what does eva look like outside of the tank
>>538895048That's definitely not true. >unless you’re a dumbass who missed a benchNope.
>unlock wall jump and kill widow>have to spend hours retreading the entire act 1 map now that I can actually access the other half of itFuck you, you will never gaslight me into thinking this is good game design
>>538894859>it has a FUCKING TOOL POUCH>I could have had this since Fourth Chorus>I'm at the end of the gameGod dammit. Better late than never, I guess.
>>538895609If you're complaining about backtracking with new movement options, metroidvanias might not be the genre for you. I don't even mean that as an insult, that's just how these games work. Pro tip: if you see something you can't reach or something that looks like a mechanic you can't interact with, mark it on the map.
>>538895376it’s never shown but i think she doesnt really have a form, since her machine seems very similar to the one you see in phantom / lace memory>>538894409mb it sounded like you were wrapping things up I just thought you were a dumbass that forgot the extra mobility skill you get rather than being earlier in the gameon the upside you do need the fleas to actually progress
>>538895649I've never seen that bug and I stopped playing at like 94% completed. Well this sucks. I never saw the curveclaw either I wonder how good that is.
>>538895821Curveclaw is my spray and pray. It has come in clutch many times
>>538895927I used knives and bombs. Sometimes I'd use brew. But those bombs were really strong.
>>538895818nigga my first metroidvania was metroid fusion on the 3ds when I was like 12idgaf what you say this is shit design, especially because it's so fucking overdone in this gameI have 9 map markers for shit that requires wall jumping, and I guarantee I missed some
Finally something that's for me.
>>538895497>judge: a whole bunch of jumps across cages, pogos off of bells, wind as extra annoyance etc>groal: a single room with a short pogo section and maybe 2 walls you simply climb up (no spikes no nothing)idk man it’s just not true
so, how many times can you upgrade the needle?you get +1 for free+2 on the vault+3 on the 5 foods quest+4 somewhere on act 3and is that all?
>>538895818it's not like crystal peak where everything is locked behind being able to grab walls so you're not going far without it anyway, in silksong they allow you to waste time exploring 95% of an area killing enemies that don't drop money, they just lock anything meaningful behind that one upgrade
>>538896049Nigga wants a metroidvania without exploration
>>538896197Yes>>538896132>wandereryou didn’t beat the gameyour loadout is kind of wack tho
>>538896197There are 5 levels and the first one is your base. Yes. The max level nail though is strong.
WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS STUPID ANTNIGGER KARMELITA FUCKING BLOCK EVERY SINGLE FUCKING HIT WHAT'S EVEN THE FUCKING POINT
>>538896049Metroid Fusion was notoriously panned by Metroid fans for being too linear, and I say that as someone whose first Metroid was Fusion.
>>538896386> WHAT'S EVEN THE FUCKING POINTProviding a challenge, presumablyit’s one of the hardest (if bot the hardest) bosses, don’t get your panties in a twist if you don’t kill it in 2 attempts
>>538896049>it's so fucking overdone in this gameit's not though? I've played a ton of metroidvanias and never even came close to thinking that for Silksong. Silksong even gives you a nice map that shows non-hidden unexplored rooms, and has pins you can use when you come across something you can't access yet.
>>538896542She's not the hardest boss. The final boss is much more bullshit. >>538896386You have to hit the parts of her that aren't in the direction of her spinning blades.
>>538896368Which crest do I need to play with for the "beat the game" award?
>>538896386>karmelitadex build>khaanrock wizard, buff but from roids rather than working out>whatshernameTried to minmax but failed
>>538896761Hunter. The one true crest for Hornet and as the developers intended.
>>538896761>Which crest do I need to play with for the "beat the game" award?Pogo on beast, combat on reaper
>>538896876Is fully evolved hunter any good? I get hit after 3 attacks so that style is just not going to work for me.
>>538896730>She's not the hardest boss. The final boss is much more bullshit.honestly had more trouble with her, the entire time I thought the final boss was only going to be phase 1, kinda underwhelmed
>>538896997But Reaper is very good for combat. It's actually by far my most used crest
>>538896761Hunter or Reaper
>just lost 600 beads because random tiny bugs near the end of act 1 start doing 2 hp per hit
>>538897160> Reaper is very good for combathope you get better soon, boo
>>538897212How the fuck is Reaper bad? I don't get it.
Am I supposed to be able to solve this music note puzzle at the top of cogwork core?Am I supposed to make it match with something I saw somewhere else? It makes no sense to me
>>538897160It's a scrub crest. Because scrubs use it, as bigger reach is easier to utilize for an inexperienced normalfag and they probably think it deals more damage because muh slow, "strong" attacks
>>538896646The map is ass, though. Wasting a slot just so you can see yourself on the map? Having to manually place pins to remember where bossfights are? Why the fuck do you need to buy a map and a quill separately? So I can feel like I'm being nickle n' dimed by a cunt that does the exact kind of "how not to talk to short people" squat every time you meet her. Oh but now I've bought a quill, so I can make maps and don't need to buy one for every single zone I.... NOPE, BUY A NEW MAP FOR EVERY ZONE FROM ME, GOYIM. FUCK OFF CUNT.
>>538897293>amazing running attack>solid regular swings>charged attack is kinda doo doo but that might just be me>the binding is hunter's but betterI honestly thought of it a crutch>>538897398Thank you.
>>538897304DEEPS ANON DEEPS
>>538897304Wandererfags psyop
>>538897427she needs money to pay for the rings that she leaves everywhere in her wake
>>538897283Thankfully those little ceiling fuckers aren't in too many places in the game. I also lost 600 beads in act 1, and that was the last time I lost beads.
>>538897324I'll simplify it for you. All you need to do is line things up.
>>538897324Nevermind I got it. Pretty lame puzzle if it really is just starting at the top/bottom and going through every combination until they line up. I thought it would be smarter than that and I was missing something
>>538897160With other crests you do 2 attacks for one reaper attack. Making any fight twice as short.
>>538897304>same damage as any other crest but way slower>brings nothing special to the table aside from shitty extra silk on bindit’s a noob trap for people who couldn’t deal with hunter pogo. wanderer is reaper’s juiced up cousin, and funnily gives you more silk than reaper as well>>538897427Maps are there so you explore the zone first before knowing everything about it instantly, which would spoil a lot of explorationcompass needing a charm slot is inexcusable tho
The one thing I think Reaper is better for is for doing upward attacks. The extra range helps there. I always misstime my up attacks with Wanderer. I either miss or overcompensate and ram my face in some bugs asshole.Wanderer slaps in every other situation though. But Reaper attacks makes cool whoosh noises I guess.
>>538897427>Wasting a slot just so you can see yourself on the map?There aren't that many yellow tools that are good and you can just swap one out when you fight a boss. You don't need an icon.>Having to manually place pins to remember where bossfights are? You'd prefer not to have that option like most metroidvanias?>Everything costs beadsThat's not a map or a backtracking issue but I feel you lolI think you have some issues Shakra you need to work out
>>538897779>reaperchads get double the fun out of every boss fight cause they need twice as long to kill it>even more content if you add all the extra runbacks they dowanderfags just keep taking L’s
>>538897427>>538897946Compass being a charm is specifically to punish retards.
>>538897946I always refer to Super Metroid, as I think that game is the God of all 2D exploration games and is the shining standard every other game should be compared to.In Super Metroid, you could find the map station and reveal a huge portion of the map. However, you could still explore manually and just explore room by room, completing the map little by little.Silksong just outright disables your map key when you're in a zone where you have not yet located Map Cunt. And you've got to pay for maps too, which makes it even more annoying if you find her and haven't got the correct number of anal beads.
>>538898348elaborate
>>538898015> The one thing I think Reaper is better for is for doing upward attacksdear god>>538898097There are many excellent yellow charms. Dice, silkspeed loops, the thing where you don’t slide during wall climbing, even magnet so you don’t chase beads like a peasant
>>538898495Back in the old days before GPS people IRL actually had to look at a map, look at their surroundings, and figure things out.
>>538898687back in the day people wiped their ass with leaves
>>538898687Back in the old days you spent your entire life farming wheat instead of shitposting about lace’s fat arsekeep your old days
>>538896049>nigga my first metroidvania was metroid fusion>on the 3ds>when I was like 12Oh man, there is so much I could say here.
Is it possible to leave the final area of the game after beating the game (fully)? Exit seems to be blocked off.
>>538898850back in the day people wiped their ass with toilet paper
>>538890394If architect tools are super broken why isn't it 10/10 and wanderer is?
>>538899792Bad down attack.In this case the answer is wanderer bias, though.
>>538898885>Back in the old days you spent your entire life farming wheatYeah and they knew how to get to town without a map that showed them their position at all times.
>>538899792Architect drill is super broken because it deals absurd damagetools are good but not nearly as game breaking
compass is a yellow equip and they're all shit what's the issue
>>538895373The ant enemies with the boomerangs do it too to the plant things that move around.There's these small things like this that give an ecosystem feeling. I wanna add-in that in Hunter's March, when you kill something the tiny ants take the bodies. In Blasted Steps, if a dead body falls into the worm infested sand, they eat it up.
>>538900561regular drill or dash?
>>538900817charge attack
What tools are broken with Wanderer?
>>538901269I just use flintsteel
>>538901670Oh I meant blue and yellow
Wow, the crusty king was a complete god damn pushovver
>>538901718Oh, then just be yourself
PSA: They made courier deliveries worth doing if you're short on rosaries. My average time for this one is 1:30, and once you've delivered the package you can simply save and quit to return to Bellhart and do it again.Vintage nectar wiped me out, but I'm back up to like 1,500 rosaries in about 10 minutes.
>>538899792this>>538899898personal preference not "objective" rating, and I prefer needle attacks and skills to tool spam, not that I hate tool spam, or that I don't like Architect's moveset (other than the pogo)
>>538901975>for this oneWait, I posted the wrong screenshot, I meant the Pilgrim's Rest one takes about 1:30. I wonder how long Songclave takes, though.
Yornet.
Sinners road is way too hard. Like, way way too hard.>can't find the bench so have to run from greymoor>the basic mobs keep coming in pairs with erratic attacks>spiked platforming>no silk to heal or anythingThis is insane.
Ok I give up how do I get up there.
>>538902238There's a bench but you have to first find it, pay for it then break a nearby wall and unlock the mechanism.
>>538901975>>538902156Rosary farming in upper Choral Chambers is way faster, 55 per big guy with the thief tool sucks more in Act 3 though
>>538902238Bench is on the left side of the first big vertical room. The bench is busted at first; check the top left corner of the room.I don't know what you mean about mobs coming in pairs. Knock back the spike-throwers attacks, avoid aggoring the roach dogs whenever you can and knock them back when they jump when you can't, hit and run the big guys.Spike platforming is just the game. Get used to it.Don't fall in the leeches.
I actually just have no idea how to get to the unexplored areas at all
wtf
>>538903178
>>538903341Get Bloodborned
Does the wanderer crest gives random crits when you are max silk? The wiki nor the in game description hints anything to this and yet sometimes I will see a random flash with a sound that makes it seem like I did double damage but I don't know what procs it.
>>538903847Yes it's Wanderer crest, and yes they do massive damage
>>538903178IIRC, you go down that vertical room on the right, trigger the coral, then follow it all the way up. I mean ALL the way up, not just to where you dropped down, it reaches to the top of the room.
>>538903847yeah i think it doesthe wiki is just wrong and i've been hitting crits with it
>>538903847It does crit, I believe that it's totally random. Also, it does triple damage, not double.
do you need double jump to progress through citadel 3 melodies quest? i see a bunch of places to grapple and double jump but i suppose i missed the power up, is it at the worms lair?
>>538904117You do. Double jump is on Mount Kat, west of The Slab.
>>538902645you go around
>>538904305there's more to the left? huh, thanks
Holy Jesus the Lower Deep Docks is seriously the most fucking irritating area of any videogame I have ever played ever. Did Team Cherry make this game with the express intention of not being fun? Because that's what it feels like.
>>538905438If you're having issues with that buckle up.
Just hit act 2. Are there any mask shards in the Citadel? I have 3/4 and have no idea where I can find the next one.
>>538904305oh nevermind, i did check this area but couldn't really advance cause i don't have grapple, thats the one i actually need.
>>538902931>>538904117>>538906852Double jump is optional for clearing the Citadel. To get the grapple you have to go through the lower part of Cogwork Core, then to the right back through that circular passageway you had to go through vertically to reach the First Shrine.
This is legit harder than any base game HK boss (including Radiance) and I'm not joking.
Yellow slots are shit
>>538907220Well, yeah. It's mostly utility, so you don't feel bad for equipping things like the compass. In HK1 equipping utility charms meant depriving yourself of actually good ones
>>538907206Already scrubbed that shit from my memory. It will not weigh me down
>>538907162oh fuck, i new i needed to do something about that circular thing, completely forgot about it exploring. thanks a ton.
What do memory lockets do? I beat the act 2 boss a while and I'm collecting fleas now but I still don't really know what these are for. I have 9
>>538907206Which one is that?
>>538907601they give you more tool slots
>>538907602the second one, the widow and his child army
>>538907602its the really pissed off flying conch shell lmao
>>538907601If you use 4, Eva will upgrade your Hunter Crest.
My fuarking HERO.
>>538907825>>538907976Oh. Yeah, that’s fair. None of his moves are hard to dodge, except maybe a bad combo of shots and followup dash, but he’s SO fucking fast.I think the big difference between Hollow Knight bosses is that speed. In HK, once you figure a boss out, you typically find a pretty gentle rhythm. In Silksong, even when you know a boss inside and out, they’re still zipping around faster than you can think.
>>538908417i think he's fair but sometimes he'll fly sideways while a conch is bouncing around and it's so fast you have to pick the correct angle to jump in like a second which is pretty demanding
>>538907220Dice are actually pretty good for gauntlets like the Forum and Weighted Belt may not be as good as Steady Body was in the original but it's still good. Climbing grip helps in a lot of platforming segments. Magnet Brooch and Shard Pendant are perfectly fine when you don't need anything else.
>kill widow>get a gorllion upgrades at once would've been nice to have half of these earliercan you not upgrade other crests besides hunter?
>>538910041Unfortunately no. Maybe in future dlc.
>>538910041Only Hunter. They gotta get it up to par with the other crests.
fuck am I supposed to do here
>>538910194damn i was wondering why that one got special treatment
>>538910449You come back later
Where is the child that the pilgrim at Songclave mentions?
>>538910267>gotta get it up to par with the other crests[cries in beast]
So is this the lgbt+ game of the year?>gay ballet dancing mantis tribe>lesbian moss mothers>bisexual protagonist>all the muscle mommy enemies are trans>enemy is a bigoted cis mother who rejects her "fake" childI does check all the marks
>>538910865Your brain is rotted
I just finished the real endingafter 3 hours doing lost lace, I'm happy she was saved, lace and hornet are like kindred spirits, also that end screen, hornet's nail and lace's pin side by side but they are no where to be found, they're prolly best friends now but I would still would have loved an epilogue or something of those two, and after completing it I feel empty in a wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcAP-B1HGXA
>>538910576Because it's your starter crest.
>>538911306That's kind problematic. It should be the crest we identify with, not the one with start with.
>>538910576The other ones already start special
>I-IS THAT AN OPTIONAL SECRET AREA?>OH BOY TIME TO LOAD IT UP THE ASS WITH MOBS THAT HAVE MASSIVE AOES AND DEAL 2 HEARTS PER HIT AND THAT ONE PLATFORMING WALL PUZZLE THAT'S 99% SPIKES WE'VE HAD LAYING AROUND
I didn't get the cogworks music puzzle, was there a logical way to do it? I kinda just bruteforced it, felt really off about it.
>>538913302Nigga.>It dings shit in a sequence>Repeat the sequence
>>538913512He's talking about the towers
>>538913302The one on top of cogwork core?You are supposed to form continuous lines. So check the bottom for lines that end cleanly then work up
>>538913664I got that, but that's bruteforce, there's no static block so you had to fiddle with all of them to find a pair and then match the others
>>538913812The static block is the one at the bottom, the right one doesn't spill into the floor
>>538913812The correct bottom block is the one where the notes actually end. Once you figure out you need to make continuous notes, it’s not much of a leap to realize that.
any secrets with this
>>538914748there are some structures that look like this across the map but it's probably just lore
void garmond is such a shit fight.
I wanna fug this bug
Are there enough lockets to be found to open every single slot in crests? I'm doing a second run, and I remember only finding enough to open up all of them, except for 2 on Shaman.
>every fight in hunters march gets progressively worse the deeper you golmao
Where is the map for Whispering Vaults? Is there also a tube? Will Act II end after I beat Lace?
At the end of act 2, trying to get the lore straight. >Silk, a higher being, establishes Pharloom>it’s an industrial theocratic shithole where everyone and everything is devoted to Silk>local bugs brought under her sway, bugs from elsewhere brought here by force, Silk’s silk implanted in them all to make devotion to her genetic and inheritable, and uplifts some spiders to become the Weavers, her favored servants>Weavers come to hate this shit, secretly try and fail to break free, and eventually just flee the kingdom outright, some of them making it to Hallownest, leading to Hornet’s birthI’m pretty sure I’ve got all that right, but what I’m not clear on at all is how the kingdom then falls to ruin. Why has Silk taken direct control of everything? Why is she sending out parties to retrieve weavers? What is The Haunting?If I’m missing crucial plot shit that comes latter then just say that, don’t spoil me.
>>538915887Probably my most disappointing boss. I don't even want to call him a boss.
I can't be the only one, who struggling with silk mob and a silk fat surgeon. Its all cool and fun, then he start throwing spears AND 3 shot. I FUCKING CAN'T DODGE his 3 shots and spears at the same time.As a good little hunter I thought maybe tacks and bombs a way to beat him? Yes, and then he comes back for the 3rd round, and I don't have shit. Probably I suppose to be here with architects crest to craft tools mid fight and do LT to dodge his fat ass?
How do I fight this bitch
>Removed float override input (down + jump, after player has Faydown Cloak).Why did they do this? Did they add an alternative way?
tacks are literally a cheat code
>>538918762I think they fix a bug, when you press>float>pogo>float AND it dont work here up until you press something elseSo I think you should be able to float to spikes, pogo from it, float away
after far longer than i'd like to admiti beat karmelitai feel nothing, no happiness, no release of tension, no sense of accomplishmentshe has too much hp, take some of hers and give it to first sinnerfirst sinner is woefully underpowered
>>538920231I disagree, I beat her with 2 nail upgrades and it felt perfectly fine. She's my favorite fight in the game too.
>>538918238Memoria implies that shit eventually broke. However, the timeline is weird because hornets old as shit.
Just beat the boss, this shit was suppsoed to be hard and frustrating? The entire level threw silk at you with easy enemies, the boss was a joke, and the music was the comfiest in the entire game. The only obnoxious part was the roach fishes.You are a shitter if you hated it.
>>538918057Both the map and a shortcut to Songclave are in a hidden room right at the start of the area.
lorefags be like>well you see the void is a spreading substance that turns people into zombies>so is the radiance's orange juice>so is the silk>and all NPCs die to make you feel le sadNext game they gonna be real surprised when they introduce another undead plague in a soulslike.
>>538918238The Haunting is just Silk taking control of bugs or bugs' corpses with the silk in their veins.
>>538920501I want to like her, but it just became a slog for whatever reason.That's why I want some of her health moved to First Sinner, there was an interesting boss in there but it dies far too quickly.
>>538921318I will agree that First Sinner is a bit of a pushover, despite being very fun. Seems a bit odd for a boss tucked away in such a dark corner of the map.
>>538918762it's too inconsistent, sometimes when you keep down pressed it lets you double jump and others it glides
>>538921138I thought most bugs were mostly mindless unless uplifted by some higher force, like the Pale King, the Radiance, and now Silk, so having loss of self be a reoccurring theme fits pretty well imo.
I know that if you avoid buying a quill, and beat Trobbio, you can get a red quill off of him, but what happens if you don't take a plume from him, and wait until he enters his depressed artist phase? Do you get a purple one instead?
>>538921001tools?
>>538921109I don't know Songclave. Is the start area you're referring to the Cogworks entrance?
>>538922007lmao practically wasted half my slots on garbage
>>538922395How do you miss songclave?
turns out you don't have to use the artitect crest to get the infinite lifeblood regenso you can use whatever crests you want for difficult sections (provided you can get there by walking)
>find Key of the Prostrate>it opens the prison? prison rape is not funny devs
where in the skibidi sigma am I supposed to go after killing widow
>>538923280go back to bellhart bro then go far left to the sandy area
>>538923418thanks king you got mad aura
>>538922979Anon...
>you can overdose on gatorade heroin>gives you a completely blue healthbar>it regenerates on its ownHow much more can this game hide from me?
Lace? Lace.
>>538926909I swear she says “Come on~“ in plain english.
>the 70 IQ contrarian takes have started popping upoh boy
>using anything but hunterYou didn’t beat the game
>>538927932too easy. you didn't win unless you 100% steel soul using beast
>>538886782Literally just embrace the maggots, he can't do SHIT to you when you're in the water, who cares if you can't heal if you never get hit by him again
>>538929735>the ghillie suit guys diving into the water to escape you was the ultimate hint all along
>>538929889Yeah motherfucker, but the maggots psych everybody out because muh silk muh song even though half this thread hates silk arts and are too unga bunga to heal half the time, acting like its a goddamn DPS race
>>538929970i have no honor. in fact, i like to experiment with weird builds to see if i can cheese bosses even if i'm capable of clearing them, so you had better BELIEVE that i was solid snaking through the water during his fight
What the fuck is going on in Clockwork Core? What do these four stupid cylinders want me to do? I thought it was just connecting a straight line from top to bottom but the second from the right cylinder seems like that's not the pattern? What is the pattern? I can't check if my intuitions right because the other 3 vanished. Do these faggot retard ass Australians expect me to haul my ass all the way back to Underworks to ask the Architect for the password and then redo this entire faggy fucking platforming section?
>>538930241I'm proud of you anon. I was having a lot of problems with Groal before I said fuck it and maggotmaxxed.On an unrelated note: where is the last silk heart? I got the one in the slab
>>538930347
>>538929735I was actually going to offer an opposite piece of advice, or at least advice for doing the earlier parts of the area.See these guys? Unlike most enemies, they respawn every time you re-enter the room. Unlike the other respawnining enemies in Bilewater, they don't explode. Farm silk off of them.
>>538930347You're just getting all of the music to line up so it forms a cohesive sheet, check for breaks in the notation
does SS have a godhome? These bosses are too cool not to refight
>>538930456You definitely want to enter into the Groal fight with silk and full health, but when Groal's fat ass shows up make like Michael Phelps and do the 500m butterfly
>>538930347>I thought it was just connecting a straight line from top to bottomThat's correct.
>>538930380>silk heartWhiteward is very secretive
>>538930380What do you mean you got one there? || Was it the last sinner? I beat her and left. I got one near the end of act 2. ||
>>538930837y'know I don't think I ever even got the surgical key
>>538930515if it had one it would probably include gauntletsand I don't look forward to fighting all the "fly that spawns enemies and throws itself at you" bosses, feels like I killed 5 of those by now
>>538930891Fuck discord has rotted my brain. Whatever.
>>538930705No it's actually making sure there are no unbroken straight lines and >>538930491 is the real answer, it's just that only 1/4 of the pillars admits a configuration where there can be an unbroken straight line but still not be a full solution. But it's also semi impossible to check whether your hypothesis is right because they disappear under the ground when you're done so unless you are screenshotting them like it's fucking Blue Prince you're now guessing. Faggot ass tryhard bullshit. This is how you know the devs were trying hard to emulate the feeling of those 90s games where there's always at least one section that's designed to sell magazines and you have to find the kid at the lunch table with a subscription to know what to do.
>>538930935because it's behind a fake wall like everything that isn't a shard cache in this game
>>538931006C'mon anon, it's a puzzle about putting order to chaos in the clockwork world, let's not pretend that this is some throwback to 90s game development to add 1 and 1 to get 2 here.
>>538931080SS really was made for HK autists because jumping into and slashing every wall, ceiling and corner uncovered so much shit
>>538930837How secretive can it be? It's tiny! It's the one room with the furnaces, the spooky doctor's lounge, and place where I saw red because these fuckers were scaring my shermy
>>538930635There's also a double-hidden cache of silk inside the boss room before you trigger the arena. Top right of the room, then keep going behind the sign.
>>538918252Hardest bosses for me by deaths>Lace 3>Last judge>SethAlso I got stuck in the wall during the epic Lace fight...
>>538931006counting from bottom to top, you match the top of #1 to the bottom of #2, the bottom of #2 to the bottom of #3 and the top of #3 to the bottom of #4#1 and #4 need to start from nothing and end into nothing respectivelyit's a child-level puzzle
>>538931281>How secretive can it beMaybe I'm just bad at metroidvanias (because I hate them) but breakable walls are always how-was-I-supposed-to-know tier, especially ceilings
>>538931384Seth went hard, should've been swapped with whatever the fuck the pollen heart boss was supposed to be
Nyleth is presumably in Shellwood, but where exactly?
>>538931484The pollen heart boss was a reward for the seth fight.
>>538931796shit reward
>>538931484I thought Nyleth was fun but I had the wallcling tool which made it pretty comfy. Seth was harder and probably the better fight but I can appreciate a good gimmick.
Who the fuck said Silk is easy? Boy oh boy I love shitty hitboxes, lightning-fast attacks coming from off-screen, and bosses just hanging out where you can't hit them.
>>538930515They're 100% doing some sort of boss refight dlc but it will probably be the last thing they add to account for their other dlc plans.
>>538927635The /v/irgins are upset that the game isnt something they can power level and facetank through. I do expect to start seeing some 2 hour youtube slop videos titled "Silksong is no masterpiece" pretty soon though.
>>538932378Longclaw
>>538932392I would pay another $20 for a boss refight DLC with absolutely no effort put into presentation right this second. Even if it was just a menu where I select a boss and immediately spawn into the fight.The mods can't come soon enough.
>>538931782That bench is at the bottom left of the underworks
It's kind of weird that the snow isn't really snow. There's clearly large solid chunks of ice and big pools of water, so the conditions for precipitation exist.
>>538918238From what I understand Silk is a desperate posessive god who views the Weavers as her children/property and she seems genuinely sad to have been abandoned. The Bellheart bug says that the memories he touched were strange and sad which lines up with her silkheart lines (Better a child spun mad than none), I think its kind of a slight twist on how Radiance took to being abandoned. Instead of immense rage, there is immense sorrow. She seems to have sought out Hornet for the purpose of having a Weaver child once more. The confusing part of this for me is I thought Widow was a Weaver, just tortured and twisted through experimentation, and Silk didnt give a fuck about her.
>>538932378She is easy though, stop facetanking shit and pay attention to her telegraphs.
Is using the grapple hook to chain "pogo" your way into the hidden room with muckmaggot charm the intended way to reach it? I don't see how else you're meant to do that, but at the same time it seems ridiculously technical and also dependent on enemy AI RNG. It took me like 20 tries for the mosquitos to line up well enough for it to be possible. What's the actual strat
>>538918238>I’m not clear on at all is how the kingdom then falls to ruin.Silk drove her most skilled servants away, and she starts taking direct control of the kingdom as a way to cope. Maybe being childless has something to do with why she drove those people away, I don't know. But the main point is that even though she's controlling them, she doesn't actually know any of the things that the controlled bugs did so all she can do is puppet their corpses in an increasingly decaying palace. So she has her little toys putting on a display, parading around the Choral Chambers like nothing's wrong, like a massive dollhouse. Meanwhile the only things keeping that little world running are a knackered old bug, a rusting architect, and an ancient, bedridden conductor.
>>538933045I feel like the story makes more sense if Grand Mother Silk can't endlessly create silk, only manipulate it. This would explain:1.) Why the Citadel's denizens experimenting on themselves with silk is so plot-critical2.) Why the Whiteward doesn't just sew silk into bugs, but extract it out of the bugs that they kill. The Whiteward is directly above Greymoor, where other bugs are tasked with collecting and spooling the dregs of silk, ensuring nothing goes to waste.3.) The necessity of capturing and "staking to service" anyone who is even part weaver and able to produce silk. Not only does weavers' silk allow the Citadel to continue its decadent way of life (already borne on the backs of the lower castes), it allows GMS to sustain Lace's life.
>>538933226>swords spawn off-screen>"just pay attention to telegraphs">silk move hitbox sucks>"just don't get hit"Thanks.
>>538934078It also makes sense if Grandma Silk perpetually spends all of her silk sustaining Lace instead of doing her job, which is why she has to find other silk generators to impress into service.
>>538934078I think you are probably right but I never found any story confirmation about this other than Hornet sharing her suspicions with the Seamstress.>>538934120They dont spawn offscreen, you can see the points. Just jump the swipe, just avoid the web lines. She has like 3 attacks. How the fuck do you beat Lace 2 and struggle with Silk? The world is filled with mysteries I guess.
I'm so glad I only discovered Sands of Karak after the patch today. Let me guess: hitting the coral did 2 damage?
>>538934439Of course
>>538934439I wouldn't know because I never messed up.
>>538934078Being able to endlessly create silk is the only reason how GMS was able to survive being consumed by the void.
>>538934479That's so impressively faggy I'm amazed it snuck by playtesting>When you spend SEVEN YEARS making one game but still include a mechanic that's so wildly contrarian it needs to be emergency patched within a week of release Very cool
>>538934565True. Then why bother capturing weavers?
>>538934687The whole kingdom runs on silk, there are vending machines for it up in the citadel.
>>538934565But it wasnt endless, I swear Hornet says she'll drag all of Pharloom down with her. She couldnt sustain that web forever.
>>538934687GMS is desperate to have children of her own, spawning the Weavers from regular spiders, as well as handcrafting Lace to fill that role. GMS might have other reasons for capturing bugs with Weaver heritage, but the main reason is very clearly that she wants to have a child to call her own.>>538934749It was implied by the shaman that she was holding on in a desperate attempt to protect Lace. I don't believe she was trying to destroy Pharloom out of revenge, but rather as a consequence of her holding so desperately onto life.
>>538934324I'm not struggling, I already beat her. Twice, now. But she's a shitty boss. >you can see the points.Incredible.
>>538928134>beastNon canon
>>538932392they have dlc plans?
>>538881671The runback was stupidly long and difficult but I managed in the end
>>538935935I'm too busy to grab the quote but they had an interview where they talked about having plans to add content to the game, saying some of those plans were ambitious.
>>538934078>Why the Whiteward doesn't just sew silk into bugs, but extract it out of the bugs that they killBecause Grandmother Silk can still use silk to control corpses.
>>538935790yeah but you can't truly say you went beast mode unless you do. sorry, thems the rules
>>538932116I agree. Most of the rewards are shit.
>>538881761>Fuentes is too busy damage controlling about his fanbase to play SilksongTragic
>>538934647Only scrubs were complaining about 2 damage.
for the love of god when will TC fix rosary gun for keyboard? shit tower (pizza not included) was garbage and shitstress is making me relive it. for those who don't mind spoilers: >>>/wsg/5972109
>>538934687It's implied that weavers can control silk better than she can. At the very least, weavers have enough intelligence to control the web in ways she cannot.
I'm horny for Hornet
>>538937548
>>538937548Who isn't?
How much harder does the Gourmand quest become if I wait till Act 3 to do it?
>>538937206Cope.
>>538881671Which achievements are missable?
>>538937921beating the game while being cursed.100% the game under 30 hours. probably some others i don't remember all of them.
uooooooooh
>>538938249howd they get away with this
>>538934439I'm so glad I 100% the game before the devs had to bend themselves backward to appease casuals.
>>538938217>beating the game while being cursed.I wonder if curse event can be triggered after fight with lace 2, to make it infinitely easier
If you fight Savage Beastfly with 2 nail upgrades he's not that bad because you can oneshot his adds with silk storm. At that point, he's a slightly buffed version of the normal one. The key is to just not move until you have to. Matador him and pogo when he charges. Try to bait his platform destructions on one side of the arena so you don't have to deal with gaps. Whenever you jump, if possible, try to land as close to where you were as you can. Let the hits gradually roll in. The difficulty is that you need to conserve silk to keep oneshotting the adds so you can't really heal nor use tools. It's a game of patience and consistency. If you can oneshot the adds, he only does like 2 things. If you can't oneshot the adds, come back later.
>>538938249cute fluff!
>>538938484>SS fans talking at TC about people complaining about difficulty
TROBBIIOOOOOOOOOO
how do i unlock act 3 people are talking about? i explored the whole map twice and did everything I could
>>5389387501. kill lace 22. use elevator and go to first shrine3. talk to a waving NPC4. you will understand the rest
>>538938750Do every single quest on the boards for all 3 towns. Note: for the Bellhart quests, this requires donating at least 1 relic and doing at least 1 delivery quest for the twins, otherwise they won't appear. If you own a house in Bellhart and have killed the Far Fields beastfly, and have the Fixer's little statue, you're on the right track.Do at least one Bellhart delivery questGet the flea circus to move to Pale Lake.Complete the map merchant's quest, which means finding her in every location and doing the follow up.
poison fan knives is really carrying my ass
Is it normal to first try this boss?or is the game just get so much easier once I unlocked a gun and health regen
>>538939265>architect crestyou did not beat the game how do i get it, i see so many people are having fun with it and want to try
bro get me OUT OF BILEWATER
>>538939440Chapel in the Underworks, near the Architect. You have to go through Whiteward to get to it, and it needs a simple key.
I have 3 fully expanded crests in my possession. How many more fucking memory lockets does this spider bitch need before she gives me another upgrade?
>>538939440buy all the tools from the twelve architect in the cauldron which is connected to the end of whiteward in the citadel
>>538939673It's not based on lockets its based on how many crests you have. There are 7 crests in the game 2 are in act 2 and one is in act 3. You can get all the crests in act 3 though.
>>538939650Is this what the big ornate lock in Whiteward is guarding? That's a simple key? I thought I needed a special key for that.
>>538939767nah its in a different area entirely
>>538939650It needs the key of the architect which has to be bought and requires 8 tools to buy.
>>538939767You mightve not discovered the area yet so heres a snippet.
Man grappling First Sinner feels like a kino mirror match until the grapple triggers a stun and you fucking fly right into her and take contact damage, this mechanic is cringe.
>>538940052I dont think it needs a simple key? Its the way to harpoon which is required
What's the point of the locked bellhome at the very bottom of deep docks? Do I need to buy out the smithing lady to open it? Or will I find a key later on?
i need to snuggle and kiss Lace so fucking badly bros>>538940639later
>>538940639>What's the point of the locked bellhome at the very bottom of deep docks?It’s a sauna, only good boys get the key
Should I do the mushroom quest before or after the final boss? Does it replace the true ending?
>>538939928Oh, right, my bad. >>538939767See >>538939928
>>538938894>>538938994thanks frens
So does this imply that The Abyss is under everything in the world? Was that a thing I didn't catch from the first game, or is this new?
>>538941685Why is there a weavernest anyway?
>>538941685I don't think anything in the first game implied that directly, but The Abyss is the absolute lowest part of the world, so it tracks that it could be under everything, which also fits with the Radiance being the sun and being the highest point contrasting The Abyss as its Ancient Enemy as the lowest point of the world.
>>538937548She's a gem of a character.
If only the gatling gun can be reloaded mid fight hornet wouldve been able to duel wield rosary gatling + rail gun
>>538942172>radiance trying to compete with the voidtalk about bad life choices
I'm getting bullied by karmelita...any tips?
>>538942531she’s a tough boss, not much to do other than gitgud
>>538942531Use poison tacks in phase 3. Tools in general are super clutch in that fight because of her needle parry shit.
>>538942531you could look up a broken meta build anon
>>538942531parry
once you unlocked the laser you can easily farm rosary to get infinite shards
>>538942585>>538942619>>538942635>>538942671shit all right, I'll do my best lol
>>538937357>links completely unrelated /wsg/ postWhat did (You) mean by this?>>>/wsg/5972135
>>538942775You can easily farm rosary shards the minute you hit those knight guys outside cogwork dancers, to be fair. And frankly you should grind in act 2 since act 3 makes enemies annoying.
>>538941808Trying to escape Silk. >>538942172I guess that would explain why Hornet immediately knew where to go.Refresh my memory, by the way, because it's been awhile. The Void is an incredibly powerful force with no will of it's own, right? It acts, it eats, but it doesn't think at all. The Pale King used it to make the Knights in HK, who did end up having will, but they've all either died or returned to the Void by now and presumably ceased to be after Ghost led the Void to the Radiance. And then there's that shit where something something Godhome accidentally ended up giving the Void a controlling sentience as a whole, but who the hell knows how canon that is. Am I getting this right?
>>538942786I recommend architect with regen lifeblood + tool spam.
>the optimal speedrun strat is to go through the Mists and PhantomFascinating, feels like Silksong will be a very cool speedrun game.
>architect builds is so overpowered Im starting to 1-3 tries bosses now.Hopefully act 3 won't violate me too hard.
That first really long stretch without a checkpoint was ass, but the last part was thrilling.
>>538943730Act 3 is actually pretty generous to tool builds, for a reason I won't specify why
>>538943730you can 1-3 tries half of the bosses in this casual as shit game with any crest
How the fuck do you trigger the Crawfather quest? I'm at 99% and the only thing left is the true boss.
> if you're out of plasmuim and use architect's bind-reload it just deletes your entire stock of shardsWelp, back to shaman I guess.
is it weird that I feel like I'm playing terraria?>Spawn summon cogfly>Plasmium being health potion/natural health regen>A fucking gun for some reason
>>538944171I saved and quit in the far field fast travel and they left a note when I loaded in.
If you didnt choose to turn the silkshot into a laser gun you are BRICKED, this thing has stupid range and penetration.
>>538944265anon didn't know...
>>538942968I think the Abyss/Void has/had some form of sentience or will, but it's either very scattered or was scattered at some point, as Radiance calls it an enemy, which implies that there was conflict between them, and presumably The Radiance didn't just fight an ocean of blackness for kicks. It's possible she did win in the past and scattered its will, which is why it's kept at bay by the lighthouse
>arrive at the mists>walk around it for 20mins>emerge where i came in>mfwnow going back there for an hour i still have no idea where the fuck anything isi get that's the point of the region but still
>Lost Lace fight>dash out of attack>she just teleports directly into you>2 contact damageThis thing infuriates me. The rest of her moves I can deal with. But those teleports are making me unreasonably mad.
>>538944527retard
>>538943730architect and wanderer really are a cut above everything elseit's a shame you don't get shaman until you're pretty much finished with the game, it's not as overwhelmingly good but it's decent and fun to use
I think Bilewater would be a better recieved area if the muck resistance charm didnt exist. That way it doesnt feel as though the area is intentionally unfair because you had to seek out a cheat for it first. Without the muck charm youre forced to interact with muckmaggots eventually which will force you to be careful and wary of the environment, which makes atmospheric sense because its full of vietcong dart shooters
>>538944527when in doubt, break out the banjo
Silk created all the Weavers and also created Lace (and Phantom) as her daughters. And then Herah birthed Hornet, meaning Silk is Hornet's Grandmother.Does this mean Lace is Hornet's aunt?
>>538944854finished it without the muck charm, git gud.
>>538944550Stop dashing into her>>538944769On my hands and knees PRAYING we get a ng+ mode where we can start with different crests. It would add a ton of variety for replays.
>>538944854You're mistaken. Most players don't find the charm until well after they've done bilewater
>>538944862ohh very interesting, ty anon
>>538945083I finished it with the muck charm because I had it and silksong has given me the ocd habit of hitting every wall in the game (and now launching myself up in every room)
>>538945093>Stop dashing into herI'm dashing away from her
>>538944854Bilewater would have been better received if it had fucking benches. That being said, I didn't really have TOO much of a problem with Bilewater, even though I only stumbled across the charm after I'd already cleared the whole damn area, which I'd already learned to be careful as fuck about. Personally though, I'd have the charm be something you get either right before, or right after, killing the shitty frog.
>>538942531caltrops + rockdrills / rings
I miss soul catcher and eater so much.
>>538945641Tacks and drills I know are good, but are rings? They seem worse than triple knives.
>>538945795she moved around a lot so just easier to land hits on her and i think they ricochet off the walls
i am completely stuck in this area and can't even go back
>>538945795Rings can hit multiple times
>>538946143you need to hit the green mobs silver spikes to collect it I was stuck there too
>>538946143Do the quest of the lady to the right of you
>>538946226>>538946253oh thanks
>>538942873>unrelateddid you fight those flying fucks yet?
act 3 ruins the halfhome farming spot.
I think the tool system in silksong is a direct downgrade from the HK charm system, but I also think this was intentionally done to focus on Hornets base moveset(s). While the Knight had 1 attack and a few movement options, Hornets moveset is nearly doubled
>>538947778>doubledmore like quintupled if you count each crest as a separate moveset.
Is shaman good?
does the merchant from bone bottom move anywhere? he's gone and I don't think I bought all of his shit
First Sinner was a legitimately enjoyable boss. Not sure when the last time I had as much fun fighting a boss was.
>>538948470The merchant should return. Try moving to a different area and back.
>>538948470He moves after you enter the citadel, but only after you bought everything (necklaces don't count)
Is there any point of Cross-Stitch? The duration is too short, it can't be used against any attacks that can't be parried with a normal attack, it uses up Silk even if it didn't trigger counterattack. Better to just parry normally, no Silk use, it will damage the enemy if you fail to time it right, etc. Only positives and no negatives, unlike Cross-Stitch.
>>538949027>is there any point to free iframes?
>>538949027Also it doesn't even home onto enemy, it just damages the area. So you parry some dash attack you will likely miss with the counter.
I like how Sherma sings an afraid version of his song when you rescue him. Same thing with cogwork dancers when only one is left and you play music uninterrupted, it will sing something in the saddest way possible because its partner is gone.
>>538949151indeed. It would've been a great ability it was free.
>Silk skills get upgraded alongside your needleThat seems rather counterintuitive, Silk spear in particular doing 3 times the needle damage for the entire game makes a lot of other skills pretty bad, like Thread Storm
Looking back its fucking crazy how many act 3 things were in the first trailer.
>>538949619The coral reef area being a glorified 20 wave arena feels like content was cut and they didnt wanna waste the enemy designs they already made
>>538944362Laser or the peashooter are both good the peashooter have much higher dpsjust dont pick the shotgun its ass
>>538950251The peashooter as in the triple shot? Or is that the shotgun? The triple shot just seems like a worse version of the triple knives.
>>538950556the shotgun is triple shot , the peashooter just shoot one medium damage shot , its fast to draw (pretty much shoot immedietely) with the only down side is that it cost more silk/damage then laser
>>538950620Figures. Sorry, weavers, I wasted your gun.
>two big birds as the boss monsteryeah fuck this game
triple shot is the worst one it does like peashooter is 23 damage per silk spentbeam is 38damage per silkshot gun does 18 damage over 3 shots (why the FUCK is the shot gun the worst one?)(Max tool damage)
personally Beam is the best since you don't always want to constantly deplete all your silk , as architect need to reload also
>>538951256Maybe if it was an actual shotgun? Bunch of weak shots, ton of spread, make it effectively a melee tool but still able to at least tickle stuff from far away.
this dodge one is too RNG
>man this boss is giving me a lot of trouble I'm going to look up what everyone else online is saying or if theres a gimmick>everyone is beating the boss without the abilities I have>with less health upgrades than me>with less needle damage upgrades than me>realise I just fucking suck at video games
>Hornet is a sticc>a billion porn images of her with a fat ass>Silk is a fucking hourglass with a massive ass four times the size of Hornet>ZERO pornIts not FAIR
>>538949027I have been watching speedrunners use it and it seems really good, a bunch of iframes and aoe damage.
>>538952924I genuinely hate the massive amount of shitty art that just turns her into a generic looking THICC girl in a latex suit. It's lazy and genuinely unappealing.
>>538952889What boss anon I will try to help. We've all been there, act 3 has been a perpetual train on my ass.
>>538942892You can stick to farming the first three if you prefer but doing all five puts you right next to the exit from the High Halls with a tube station on the other side. You probably want to get through the High Halls before doing any serious grinding because you can turn off the silk stealers up there.
>>538952924Umm sweaty, she's child-coded
>>538953230>confusing Silk and LaceSpeedreader get ye GONE
>>538953230He said Silk, not Lace, you freaking morono.
Is there a rematch with Morwing or something? I heard about how brutally hard he was, but I beat him like my second try.
>>538952028FINALLYtook me 1 hour
>>538953613
>>538953810This but unironically. I genuinely didn't have any real problems with Moorwing or Sister Splinter, and don't know why they even thought that they needed a nerf.
>Be me>Playing Silksong>Most of the bosses in act 1 are pretty mid>Reach the Cogwork Dancers in act 2>They are one of the most interesting and unique boss fights in Hollow Knight>Genuinely one of my favorite bosses in gaming>A cool gimmick, great soundtrack, cool attacks>You can also tell a lot about the Dancers story-wise just from their presentation alone>No lore dumps or background text or item descriptions or cryptic bullshit.I don't understand why most games don't do this. Fromslop games are such a fucking cancer. Why can't devs do stuff like this more often?
>>538954318>no lore dumps>he doesnt know
>>538954318>>You can also tell a lot about the Dancers story-wise just from their presentation alone>>No lore dumps or background text or item descriptions or cryptic bullshit.OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
>couriers won't let me make a delivery because I have aidsfuuuuuuug
I think I can finally beat the last boss and wait for the DLC now, there’s absolutely nothing else for me to do.
I'm skipping practically every optional boss I come across such as Father Flame, Chef, Unraveled, and Broodmother. Any of them actually worth doing or should I wait until I do clean ups at the end of act 2?
>>538955627>optional>ChefTechnically optional, but you will see hell without needle upgrade
>>538955728Ah. He gives the muckmaggots? I still don't have access to one ingredient so I'll just go back to him later.
I feel like such an asshole wrecking through this place. Is there a bench somewhere in here, or does it have to all be in one run?
>I absolutely obliterate The Last Judge's Phase 1 in less than 10 seconds>Immediately die to Phase 2
>>538955902It's a known fact that Hornet is a criminal and a menace.
>>538955997Duh. Judge practically sits there in phase 1
>>538954702>>538954914What, the talking statues afterwards? That's not too bad. What I mean is having some "zanzibart, forgive me" shit cutscene in the middle of the fight or something.
So why exactly Magnetite Brooch does not work? Shell Shard are just lying there. Is there an upgrade later in the game or something to make it actually work for it's purpose?
>>538956342Read its description again, anon.
>>538913073>isnt excited by the thought of a dangerous and adventurous excursion into a new areamaybe try stardew valley or something?
>>538956342There is a reason shard is a shit system
>>538913073git gud. environmental damage has been halved so you have no excuse
>>538956397I know about the beads, I don't really care about them, because they're easy to grind
>>538956537>environmental damage has been halved so you have no excuseAcross the board? Thank god.
>>538956572One or two exceptions like lava.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_pumI-nrMwere gonna be discovring stuff like this for months
>>538956629Don't forget about multi-use pressure plate traps.
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>>538957087silksong reference
>>538956061Does Magma Bell work against Phase 2? I seem to get 2 masks of damage on fire pillars, despite the bell.
>>538957636You probably got hit by another fire attack right before the pillars. There's a cooldown on Magma Bell's protection.
>>538958087Yeah, looks like it
>>538957087SHAW
>>538957087knight is so tiny
man i want to use the witch moveset but i'm not sure i can tolerate the heal gimmick
This cursed version of the Grandmother Silk fight is ASS
>>538956537I still didn't feel like this was enough of a problem to need a nerf. All it does is make it look weird when sandworms only deal 1 damage. Team Cherry should have just added an easy mode or some other similar setting.
>>538959606Simply dont get hit, then
Where do I find Pickled Mugmaggot? Gourmet says Midlands, whatever that means.
>>538960814Sinners road, theres a secret that leads to the other side of that fat fuck door. Probably the most annoying muckmaggot boss
>>538960814Where do you think you'd find a pickled muckmaggot?
>>538956159You missed an entire storyline, complete with an npc you meet across two acts
hornet is my waifu
>>538961061You say that but its not in Bilewater or Putrified ducts
>>538956159>some "zanzibart, forgive me" shitIt's exactly that, but not as a cutscene, but as some lines you get by playing the needolin to the objects in Verdania.There is nothing important really.
>>538961328If only there was another maggoty zone, with npcs talking about how it used to be a meat farm providing food for the citadel
So what happens if you try to go in Act 3 while cursed?
>>538961480You cant, curse baby removes the choice of setting the trap or binding
>>538961443hold on fucko that’s green prince stuff isn’t it? You interact with the dude a bunch of times and he even shows up in cogworks
That was certainly a journey. I was on a verge of dropping the game on Lost Lace.
>>538961150Hornet doesn't look like that
>>538961480Killing the boss while tentacle beast’d gives you alternative act 2 ending
>>538961558Yeah, that one. And if you haven't been there yet there is a stronger version of cog dancers fight.
>>538961552Trap is Act 3 and binding is bad ending?
>>538961808Yea, you get the choice of using Bind or Needolin Trap if you did the stuff to unlock act 3Its not so much an ending as it is the final few hours of the game
>>538961808It's not exactly "bad", just a default one.
>>538961604>64 hoursthat seems like a long playthrough even for 100%
>>538961620she looks like this
what do i do here? i beat the fire welder boss and his brother but there's nothing here, there's one locked door and the giant slugs, there's no pickups or anything either.
I have explored every single area before Act 3I have beaten every single optional boss before Act 3I have collected every collectable before Act 3I still cannot beat Groal The Great and I am losing my fucking mind
>>538963630embrace the piss, he can't hit you there
>>538963810and then? I see everyone say this constantly and what next? just fucking stare at him?
>>538964102Fuck his ass from below I guess. I personally just fought him like a normal person with a lot of pogo attacks, and would have never even considered swimming in the maggot water on purpose.
>>538962057Coral towe>>538961896Everyone dies though
>>538953281Since Embrace the Void is canon, what's THK doing these days now that he's finally free?
The fuck is Verdania?
so I am just supposed to spend 100 hours learning how to beat 41 bosses near flawlessly on increased difficulty to fight a boss I will probably die to in the first 10 seconds?Pantheon of the Knight took me like 18 hours to juuust to scrape by and I just barely beat the Pure Vessel. I mean I will try, but I might just go for the non-Godhome ending after a while
>>538964490Nah boss is fucking awful and just anti-fun, I got the regular ending and the cursed ending and that's enough for me, genuinely just an awful fucking boss that provides zero amount of fun in the game
>>538964890Pantheon of Hallownest is not a fun time, it is a job. You have to practice it as extensively and as consistently as though it was your job to win.
>>538954318>No lore dumps>boss with probably the most explicitly stated lore in the game Lol
Are not all of the gourmand ingredients fragile? I accidentally found the rucknut and it didn't vanish from my inventory despite getting hit a few times on the way back to the citadel.
>>538918252you have some big hottakes in this imageSister Splinter in S? Groal and Savage Beastfly in B?Bell Beast, Skull Tyrant, and Moss Mother in C?wtf is your metric on this? are you assuming a pantheon with no adds?
Boo
>>538922723does it reset on travel?
>>538965919only the courier's rasher
>>538930241There's a really easy build to cheese/speedrun kill Groal. If you take you at least 4 poison cogflies before he spawns and then throw as many poison curveclaws, like at least 8, he'll literally die in less than 5 seconds.
>>538947750Do yourself a favor.Install cheat engine and just give yourself what you need.There is zero difference between farming the same spot for hours or using a cheat. Both are lame anyway, except one is faster.
>hunter with full focus can burst down the guardians near the center of the citadel before they get to attackneato
>buzzsaws now do 1 mask of damagethey should've kept that imo. it's a goddamn buzzsaw
>>538954318Did you play the needolin when there was only one left?
Is there a flea map like in hk? If yes I somehow missed it with 99% completion.
>>538966853yes, in putrified ducts, a flea that sells you flea maps
Question about true ending can you get it even if you killed the living silk sword lady?[\spoiler]
>>538962057I'm almost at 30 hours, and I've only recently beaten the Cogwork Dancers.
>>538962057we take it slow around here, finding the secret rooms all by myself takes time and patience, I think I'm almost done with act 2 and I'm 45 hours in.
Is the closest bench to the Bilewater boss the one behind the two broken walls after the trap room or have I missed something?
filthy liberal rats: the thread
How does god's pantheon work?Godhome made zero sense, how does killing a fanfiction version of radiance from some random guy result in you killing it for real?
>>538967562the closest bench is the one you have to swim through maggot water, activate one or two traps, and then breakable wall into a room filled with cocoons with dead pilgrims, which itself has a breakable wall into a previous section with an item in one of the cocoonsso basically, yeah, you're right.
>>538967639You prove it’s not about the size but how you wiggle it, wich nets you a promotion to head janny which comes with the perk of being an eldritch void beast
>>538964890You're supposed to be able to beat 80% of the bosses without thinking about it at this point, them being early/mid bosses and you being completely upgraded by nowyou can always practice bosses you're not good at too, do some easy challenges like soul binding on all 4 to get a bit of lifeblood
>>538968092>and you being completely upgraded by nowsis you’re bindings?
>>538966407Yeah I see. I'm not doing this until after I get the super up jump. This quest is some giga faggot shit. Team Cherry, if you're reading this, kill yourselves.
>>538967639I'd say it's more like Godseeker attunes with the fighters and that's how she's able to project their peak performance, and with the Ghost beating Absolute Radiance she attunes the Ghost's peak performance which is the Void entity at the end, unlocking some massive power. But yeah, I don't think the dream itself should affect reality.
>>538967779Cool. I ended up beating it second try anyway so I locked in for a long one unnecessarily lol
what is happening
>>538968721It's really easy if you go through Exhaust Organ.
>>538968940you're gambling money for entertainment, and for the gambling charm
>>538966504you are absolutely correct which is why the sole reason why I'm not doing it for now is that I want was first run to be "clean". but second run? I'm not gonna spend 2 fucking seconds grinding. I see mods everywhere, but how to utilize cheat engine here? I know about speed hack and "find value", but more concise info would be welcome.
Is there even any point using crest other than hunter when it's fully upgraded?
>>538968940I have no idea what determines a win but, if you want to win guaranteed, hold the dice out until she does a different hand motion (I think count around 14-15 movements) and throw it. It'll guarantee a win.Do it enough times for a reward.
NORMAL ENEMIES IN ACT ONE TAKING 10-15+ HITS TO KILL WITH UPGRADED NEEDLE IS FUCKING STUPIDTHIS GAME SUCKS AND FUCK EVERYONE WHO PRAISES IT
>>538969269hunter's full upgrade is not strictly better than the others, see >>538901239
>>538969246Just download a cheat table like this one https://fearlessrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?t=36364with cheat engine 7.5.I only use it for geos and nothing else. Started doing it in act3.After decades of gaming I can't mindlessly farm stupid currencies anymore. I did this too for things like crafting in Kingdom hearts cause the game expects you to kill thousand of enemies etc. I don't have time for that.
How conservative should I be with memory lockets? I already used 5 and I have 4 more. I want to use two of them on Wanderer
>>538968940>>538734223
>>538969642Thanks. Really interesting.Had a feeling reaper started falling off now that I'm in act3. And its charged attack animation is so fucking slow.
>>538886782what runback? i beat him on my first attempt
>>538969774I hear it's possible to get enough to use on everything. Also, using them is what gets Eva to upgrade your crest. I think it's a 4 and 10 lockets used?
okay so nyleth is the easiest of the 3 bosses in act 3 right? or the conchcutter tool is just that OP. i beat her on my 5th try when usually it'd took me 10+ tries to beat bosses. she's about moss mother level.
>>538969269Crest is a difficulty sliderHunter/shaman is hard difficultywanderer/architect is medium difficultyBeast/reaper are very hard difficulty
>>538969656Many thanks!
>find out you can miss the first Lace fight if you explore too much>find out that the Lace entry in the log requires 2 fightsso what's the deal? am i just fucked now? will the second fight count for both?will it just not count toward the achievement like some entries in HK?or am i just getting told to fuck myself?
>>538970105Krusty krab is a total doormat, as in “I cant believe you needed two tries” difficulty. The annoying part is the gauntlet which might take a few
>>538970563You fight lace three times
>>538970647>gauntlet before a boss againnyooooo....
>>538970781oh okayi better get it then or else
do I have to go to Bilewater again in act 3?
>>538970647I beat him in 2 tries...Am I this bad?
>>538971248void groal isnt difficult
>>538971248yes, but not the upper part
>AWOOO intensifiesOh shit.
What is the point of Mask Maker?
Wow Phantom was easy as shit. First tried her.Why can't more bosses be like that? You know, not flying and not spamming AoEs.Now I just have to figure out where the secret exit in Exhaust Organ leads to. The Mist left me with no sense of direction and I have no maps for any of these areas. And I have to see if there was anything to the right of the entrance to the Exhaust Organ. Where's the map bitch when you need her.
>>538970563You "skip" her, but you still talk to her at least once before moving forward. The talk counts as a log entry.
>>538972736You reminded me I have not been to fleaville in ages and I should probably check up on them after beating the doggo.
Where is this dude? The hint doesn't help at all.
>>538968721 silk soar damages the packages unfortunately
>>538973706I think I found him in the graveyard that's a bit west of there?
>>538973935thx
>>538964630>Everyone dies thoughDo they? Hornet simply takes over the role of the Grandmother Silk — i.e. becomes a Weaver queen / goddess of the Pharloom, no?
every single flying enemy having input reading and doing 4 damage to you every time you try to attack it is the worst fucking idea anyone has put in a video game
Just beat GMS, took about 20 tries, probably could've beaten in 1-3 if I could heal. Mid boss at best, juts a slower Radiance but with more RNG and worse off-screen attacks. Good music though.
>>538974625>hornet takes over as the local deity>hornet, the genocidal maniac that pretty much genocided 90% of pharloomYes, eveyone dies
>>538939265>Plasmium overdoseYou didn't beat the game
>>538974845pure sex
how do I do the different endings? if I do act 2 cursed can I use the autosave to roll back before I do the fught?
>>538975364Yeah, I just did cursed and the save is still act 2.
>>538953172I do like the Yor cosplaying as Hornet trend desu.
>>538953321both are pretty thicc
>>53897499890% of pharloom earned their death. She doesn't kill people who don't try to kill her first though, which has been reiterated over and over in her interactions
>>538945027herrah isn't a weaver, just a beastthe only relation hornet has to silk is her being taught how to weave silk
TC if they don't randomly reset your crest for no reason before a hard encounter
>>538974998I see. But that means all endings are bad endings.Cursed ending:>Hornet and Grandmother Silk get petrified>but the shriek in the end signifies that something awakens>and that something is clearly malicious and will kill everyoneVoid ending:>homicidal maniac Hornet climbs out of the abyss to finish what void have started>homicidal maniac jr. Lace helps her in that endeavor>together the exterminate all living bugs in the Pharloom
I've seen people complain about absurd Rosaries mechanics, but I didn't see it, everything was fine. But now that I'm here in the (((Jew))) location, I see what people meant by that.
>>538975863>STOP RESISTINGshe’s literally invading their place
>>538976757They've brought Hornet to Pharloom by force.
I just had an amazing fight, I have to post it.
>>538976757Hornet was captured and brought to Pharloom against her will, and even then she's just travelling to the citadel to beat up whomever has ordered her capture.
>>538976980There’s no proof it happened
The answer is the number of crests you ownI cant believe people tricked me into thinking it was memory lockets
So was Widow affected by Haunting? She can talk, so not affected?
>>538977338Venticrest upgrades are definitely locked behind how many lockets you used.
>>538977338It's both
>>538977502I mean, i binded her already, there were only 2 venticrests
>>538977338It's crests, silk hearts and lockets used. It all adds up.
>>538977338it's both, between the first and second is the crest number, between the second and third is locket number, and the fourth is crest, and the last may be both, but you don't need to use all lockets
>>538977638Literally where do you get silk hearts? I'm almost done with act 2 and the last one I saw was the fucking bell beast
>>538978738Whiteward use clawline on the grappler hidden spot above the scissor wielding huge bugs.And the final one is a mandatory story boss.
do people unironically think the pale king was bad/evil?after seeing how pharloom was operated, hallownest seems like a great place to live minus the radiance of course
I can't even fathom trying to beat Bilewater without the muckmaggot charm. Is there even a single benefit to doing it before the citadel? Is it even faster in a speedrun versus going in through the front door?
>>538978969I mean, the problem was the Radiance, the children the Pale King made were because the Radiance kept fucking around. He's a bad dad, but not much else.
>>538978969The only morally questionable thing he ever did, was make tons of children just to throw them to their deaths in the hopes one of them climbs out of the abyss in order to have a vessel to contain the Radiance. Other than that he was very benevolent, just desperate measures to try and save the kingdom by sacrificing his kids for it.
Karmelita third phase is insane. Kept all my tools for this phase and just focused on dodging will throwing random bullshit all over the screen.
>>538979108just embrace the doodoo water, and you can't do Bilewater before the Citadel because you need a movement upgrade from it, all you can do is unlock the fast travel
>>538979108Ironically, entering shit water keeps you safe against that area's boss.
>>538954318Tbf you can charm them with musicFor some reason there are some characters, who are not affected by music at all.
>>538979108You can get to the Citadel faster and easier by going through the Mist. But that's only a small portion of the whole Bilewater area. As for the rest — no point in rushing it. It's way better to do it after the Ducts with the Purity Wreath.
>>538954258Moorwing prenerf walled me so hard, that I learned how to play the game. Sister/widow/judge/fatfly was no a challenge after that. It's like the game is teaching you how to play it, what a new concept in 2025 gaming!
man, bilewater without the piton charm is genuinely torture, forgot to equip it and I'm getting cooked
>>538980421learn2hookshot
>>538980538two different things, why would knowing how to hookshot make me better at not sliding on walls?
Mugmaggot boss in Sinners Road (the one at the far right side of the map) swings away from the stage if I damage him enough and does not returns. That is a bug I presume?
>>538980876why do you need to hang on walls? just keep moving
>>538981021move where?
>>538981153on top of him before he started spitting
What percentage would you guys say the bosses are for you in terms of fun vs frustration? Right now about half way through Act 3 I honestly think its about 60% fun and 40% frustration
>>538981347Depends. Groal the Gigafaggot is 100% frustration and 0% fun.
>>53898134720% fun, 10% frustration, 70% ambivalence
>>538981347I really enjoy only small humanoid bosses, and I really hate fat flying bosses. Everyone else is mid.So judge and silk surgeon were mid for example.
>>538981153
>>538981347100% fun 100% frustrationthey're two sides of the same coin. without frustration it ceases to be an engaging game
>>538982037>glide instead of diagonal pogoyou didn't beat the game, wanderercuck
Do we know who is that flying fluffy bird on a mount fey who gave us Faydown Cloak?
>>538981290>>538982037I'm walking most of the time, I do my parkour slowly, I don't wanna rush and die, so having to piton charm that lets me chill on a wall is essential, too much effort to blast through before he starts spitting
Thoughts on https://static1.e621.net/data/51/48/5148cba032803e83f110abc15e8b465f.png?
>>538968940wait 11 seconds and the dice will flash and you will auto win the roll
>>538982726I ain't clicking that shit nigga
>get tool capacity upgrade>have to reload every tool 2 or 3 at a time to sate my OCDthey should've just filled your tools automatically for free with each upgrade. there's only four in the whole game, it's not like it would be overly generous
>>538982740That's me. I always waited because I thought it couldn't be cancelled.
>>538982176he's referring to the slow fall cloak ability
>>538983094I know but he wouldn't need to cloak glide if he had diagonal pogo
>>538982726no
>>538983217why wouldn't you glide as well with hunter? you want the security to not fuck up the pogo
>>538981347Groal was the only frustrating and even then people have found ways to cheese it.
If you want to do the Plasmium overdose thing would you have to go back to Wormways after every death?
>get the conjoined heart>Its not even on the list
architect-chads ww@
>>538984913You can also use architect
>>538985567Ah right. So back to Wormways every few deaths to refill the Phial
>>538984852How did people even die to him? He has the most easily dodgeable attacks of any Act 2 boss. I only took damage from his goons.
>>538981347Any boss that is basically "big fatass hitbox with a billion HP that spams adds and exists to be a ~300 shards tax" shithole. The Unravelled is not a fun fight. There's a ton of bosses in this game that fit this bill. Artificial frustration factor.
>>538981153There is lots of ways to move around in hk after you get double jump, hook, glade etc. Also, I have no idea how to produce fair quality webm, I converted 70mb to webm and compressed that to 3mb.
>>538964690PTSD
>>538959216He's big where it counts.
This father of flame boss is so fucking hard what were they thinking man. This whole game is pure cock and ball torture to the max.
I think the retard playstyle can work>>>/wsg/5972431
>>538986610>shard taxyou didn't beat the game
>>538987042I think that was the most fun I've had with the game, which is saying a lot because when I first got the beast crest I really hated it.
>>538986630you're misunderstanding, I know the route, I was just complaining about forgetting to equip the piton charm, the very same you're using in that webmthanks anywaysalso, you can do 4MB here, the size limit depends on the board
>>538986926it's not even a boss, just a "hit stationary targets forty times while dodging projectiles with deceptive hitboxes" challenge
>>538986926bring Voltvessels in spear form. after 2nd phase starts, dump them all into the ground in the center of the room to kill it quickly without needing to pogo the main body (continue to dodge the fireballs while the electricity kills it)for 1st phase Delver's Drill helps a lot if you're using a crest with 2 red slots. Reaper is probably ideal for having both 2 reds and an easy pogo. Other crests can work but they have different caveats. Hunter & Architect have harder pogos, Wanderer & Witch have easier pogos, but Wanderer only has 1 red slot and Witch can't heal.
>>538986926save your silk to burst the second form since you won't be healing anywaythe reward is pretty good if you're not going for a tools build
After I reach the top of cogworks core and learn the architect's song, how am I supposed to leave?
>>538988752the same way you came in
>>538988752You climb down, like a cat.
>>538988820There's no shortcut that opens? I can't do this parkour again.>>538988892Not sure if even cats can climb down from this safely.
bwos... the gauntlet at the coral tower is so hard...
>>538989193You pogo off the spikes and float your way down, it's really not too bad.
>>538989193if you got up there that means you have the clawlineif you have the clawline that means you have the drift cloakif you have the drift cloak that means there's literally no challenge at all when going from top to bottom
>>538989305>>538989347Going down is easy. I can just quit&save and wake up at the bench. Going back up is the problem. So there's not shortcut or easy way back that I'm missing?
>>538989489No
>>538989489>I can just quit&save and wake up at the benchyou can't do that actually. try it
>>538987130I'll muscle through the game however I want, Team Cherry can suck my cock. They went really far out of their way to make the game frustrating as hell, and they succeeded in tilting me. I don't know what that was the goal because all it's done is sour my opinion on the game really hard and made me lose respect for them. But that's clearly what they were aiming for.
silk hearts are pretty underwhelming for how rare and important the game treats them
>>538989292What gauntlet? You beat the drill fly rematch, walk into the tower, collect your tool, and leave.
>>538989640you can't do that in cogworks? why?
>>538989640Tried it. You're right. Refilled my health though thankfully.So yeah, floated down like a balloon filed with boron. Thanks guys.
>>538990173getting the melody at the top sets your checkpoint up there, same with getting a new crest or silk skill
>>538989834Act 3 shit
A lot of the side content in this game is so unfun it makes me wonder why even bother. Deep deep docks? Fucking cringe. Bilewater and putrid ducts? Fucking cringe. Mount fay and Sands of Karak? Fucking cringe. The one and only thing fun thing I've found off the intended progression path thus far is First Sinner. Everything else has been complete fucking dogshit. They really delayed the game for 4 years to fill it with the worst nonsense they could think of
>>538990748>side content
>>538990748>Mount fay>side contenthuh?
>>538991140It's side content with respect to the any% ending
>>538990748>Mount fay and Sands of Karak badYou're bad.
Ending spoilers.>Pale king>Served and built his kingdom for everyone and helped many, using his power to establish a prosperous nation>When calamity struck in the form of a vengeful god trying to take the minds of the citizens, he makes use of his kin with reckless abandon to try and hope one of them becomes a perfect cage to contain it>Silk>Builds a kingdom built on lies, blind servitude, and being run almost akin to a hivemind. Everyone suffers, unless you're at the top of the system and even then, you must devote your very soul to it, and not waver>Loses all her weavers when they escape, kingdom starts to decay with almost no one helping manage it, sends parties to capture any they find the location of to force their servitude again until their death, delaying the death of the place>Is perfectly willing to sacrifice the entire thing to try and save her one child, not even born naturally, than to let her die in any capacityIn the end, Hallownest crumbled completely, with the vessel never managing to fully contain it, until the knight puts a real end to Radiance, but Phaloom still has a chance to form a society in the remnants, and maybe maintain some of it's history, especially with Lace having survived, even if she resented her mother. So who truly won in the end?From a moral perspective who made was the worst though?
>>538991452I cleared Mt Fay in only like 2 hours but it was still not a good time.
>>538991579>only like 2 hours>onlylmfao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSvgqLERROASteel Soul mode has an exclusive boss. I think I'm gonna install the no-permadeath mod, I can't do 100% on perma, I have a life
>>538991843Just pause and exit to menu if you're about to die, or are one hit from death, and try again.
does volt filament stack with pollip pouch?
>>538992067Volt affects silk skills, pollip tools. So they both work.
Is there stuff you can miss in act 3?
>>538992139oh I thought boss affected toolsthanks for the clarification
I'm 10 hours into the game so far, and it's fucking easy, are people nowadays retarded?
>>538991843>Boss that you can only meet in permadeath mode where you have to win first try Why
>>538991475>So who truly won in the end?the knightall he really wanted was to fight strong niggas and he did just that>page 10come on you lazy niggers
>>538992640Dumbass bro............
>>538986630>thats what the hook doesgreat god only knows how many secret places ive missed in act 1 and didn't mark down because I had no idea the hook could get me there
>>538991843that's it ?i was expecting one of those steel soul bugs
>>538991843>>538992026Can also copy the save folder and make a back-up occasionally just to be safe. 3 or 4 hearts is the same as 1 heart when a weak or strong enemy knocks you off into a 2-heart hazard.
>>538991475Silk is easily the worst of the two because the worst thing PK did was mass infantcide, and even then at least PK thought that all the vessels were unthinking void filled biological constructs that couldn't think or feel. (Considering that's what his plan entirely hinged on) And even then I'm sure he didn't feel too good about it because he kept screeching to himself the biggest cope line i've ever heard.Silk was a tyrant and until the very end she acted purely in her own desires at the expense of her kingdom.Silk will be seen as the "OwO SO SADGE POOR GRANDMOMMY!!!" by the community because female.Hallownest got the shittier deal because it's crisis basically wiped out the entire kingdom. Pharloom has at least two major settlements with plenty of pilgrims by the end of the true ending.Though you could argue that Hallownest's infected went back to normal after Radiance got raped by Lord Of Shades.
>>538992770You can press the dash button to have hornet climb up a wall while wall clinging without actually jumping off the wall.
>>538992807>the worst thing PK did was mass infantcideshow me where it says in hallownest's book of laws that infanticide is illegal
>>538992784Lucky you, that boss fucking sucks
>>538992784No mind to move.No brain to spawn.
>>538993437I save & quit just to fight it normally and it was still x10 more digestible than the average flying trash mob, webm unrelated
>>538992778it's an act 2 hidden boss in a permadeath run, they can't be too mean with it
>>538995670everybody cheats with esc -> quit in "permadeath" anyway
>>538991843this is absolutely pathetic, holy fuckliterally just the default void attacks + slow dash every five minutes
The Whiteward boss is terrible. How do I beat him?
holy fucking shit, the Unravelled's charge is so bullshit
>>538907206That guy is piss easy. Outside of his horn spit, which can be deflected, every one of his and his childs attacks is obvious to dodge.
>>538998315Make the floor pointy and poisonous.
>>538979167>was make tons of children just to throw them to their deathsWhy he never made normal non-hollow children with White Lady, anyway?
>>538992627You could Save/Quit to spawn at a bench I think
>>538998398I tried. All my ~500 shards are gone.
>>538998315>>538998374Face him head on like a champion, instead of some pogoing faggot
>>538998420They were both (presumably) immortal, they didn't need heirs
>>538998374just jump over her, if you can't then your reflexes are shit
>>538998420My guess is that breeding for the first time activated her insatiable breeding desireswhich is why she has to restrain herself now.So they probably never had sex until they actually needed to, knowing what could end up happening to her.
>>538998820>>538998670I don't pogo, I hit the fucker, and then he charges and I can't avoid because he's too fucking tall and the second jump has a delay which makes him catch up to me
>>538992807Radiant was also a female though
>>538999146>I don't pogo>and I can't avoid because he's too fucking tall well
>>538986926Just use magma bell and you're fine
>saved green prince in act1>never encountered in act2>can't enter verdania in act3, green prince nowhere to be foundAmazing.
>>538999806>magma bellI'm not spending fucking craftmetal on a boss
Has enough time passed that we can discuss that Act 3 kinda sucks ass compared to 1 and 2?
>>538998315Equip a fast crest and get him low. Practice dodging the spears in the second phase until you can hold your own for a bit and then either defeat him naturally or blitz him down with tools to finish out the fight.
>>538999905check next to the bench on the citadel hot spring and the right-side of the dancer's arena
>>538999948Its a good tool and you should have enough craftmetal for everything anyways
I give up guys, the only other side scroller ive played is the original game, they clearly made this game for long time platformer fans. it takes me multiple attempts just to get past rooms, tried fixing the broken bench in sinners road, i simply cant do it
>>539000086Act 3 is cool though. All the acts are cool although I think the openness of 2 makes it my favorite.
MIGRATE TO A NEW KINGDOM>>539000967>>539000967>>539000967
>>539000086Bosses are fine but the map changes were underwhelmingMost enemy changes were also meh, with just the designated void attack common to all of them
I got the second silk heart, and Eva gave me nothing.Her upgrades are only activated by crests and memory lockets
>>538965994>Sister Splint in SShe's a fundamentally good boss that was exactly as difficult as she needed to be. I think I have a higher opinion of her because of how I ended up fighting her. I wandered into Shellwood extremely early without sprint or float and too poor to afford a bench, and I beat her first try. It was tense.>Bell Beast, Skull Tyrant, and Moss Mother in CI'm not a fan of extremely basic bosses and minibosses that have 2 or 3 attacks with virtually no random variables, but I also don't dislike them. They're exactly what they need to be.>Groal and Savage Beastfly in BGroal is a challenging fight and the only thing I dislike about him is that he pops up when he dives into the much, making it inconsistent whether it's safe to pogo him or not. The runback is whatever, I thought it was funny. Savage Beastfly is easily the boss that filtered me the hardest on my first playthrough, but I like him a lot now that I understand his tempo. He's a basic miniboss, but he has that unpredictable, aggressive edge that others like Skull Tyrant, etc. lack.
