FLEAS FLEAS FLEASStore links:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksonghttps://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_KnightInteractive Map:https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloomPrevious Thread>>538881671
I give up guys, the only other side scroller ive played is the original game, they clearly made this game for long time platformer fans. it takes me multiple attempts just to get past rooms, tried fixing the broken bench in sinners road, i simply cant do it.
I'm starting to question why boss run backs are even a thing in the first placeEven the easy ones you can do in 2 minutes without taking any damage is still just 2 minutes of my time being wasted when I just want to fight the boss again
>>539001205at least HK removed them with dreamgate
I wish the interactive maps had act/movement filters, I can't figure out if certain map accesses are for act 2 or 3, or if I need another movement option
Post the bug that you would fuck
>>539001629the only bugs I would fuck are Asian women
>>539001205>Even the easy ones you can do in 2 minutes without taking any damageu wot m8Groal is the longest runback I can think of and it’s like a minute
I genuinely hate the shard system. It sucks the fun out of the blob bosses. There's so many bosses that are just big blobs with 1999999999999 health and adds that you're meant to chuck tools at till they die. Well guess what faggot you've only got about 6 fucking attempts at that until you gotta go back to the fields and farm Mr Farmer Bob. Take a break so you don't get tilted Mr Gamer!!!!!! There were tons of blob bosses in HK that basically existed to be target practice for your spells, but in HK they were just mid instead of being actively anti fun. Whoever at Team Cherry looked at Sekiro and said "dude man those spirit emblems were dope bro" should be banned from making games for life, if only because it's willful ignorance to import that system wholesale in 2025 given the overwhelmingly negative feedback they had 6 years to study but ignored.
>>539002039Tools are completely unnecessary.
>>539001629idk if she's really a bug, but she's definitely worthy of a fug
>>539002039A single of the big nigga knights near cogwork gives you 55 rosaries with thieves markA pack of shards costs 50 rosariesThe system does seem unnecessary but it’s not that obnoxious imoOr just install a mod
>>539002180Your parents having you was also completely unnecessary, yet here you are anyway shitposting like a retard.
>>539002039Feels good being a pure fundies needle and silk player. Tools are exclusively for throwing at assholes who won't fly into needle range.Shard drops could be more generous.
>>539002039Which boss are you tilted about? I can give you the secret technique.
>>539002460Yeah dude lemme uhhhhhhhhh go back to the station fast travel to grand bellway fast travel to first shrine kill gigga niggas for 10 minutes fast travel to grand bellway fast travel to bench walk back to arena and try again how about instead you suck my ass?
Is Act III worth doing? I already beat Silkmom and am kinda not into doing all of these random side quests. From the looks of it, the only areas I haven't explored are apparently trash like Bilewater.
>>539002571Unthreaded. There is no secret technique: equip architect crest. Annihilate phase 1 with caltrops. Work through phases 2 and 3 with the sawblade and the digger. Finish him off with your needle because he'll still fucking be alive even with a max upgraded toolbag. Hopefully you win because this costs like 180 shards per attempt.
>>539001629The Seer.
>>539001205They're both punishment for not killing the boss and a good ways of collecting shards and building up silk for the fight. >>539001116I kind of liked it. I did not like the original at all and ended up dropping it pretty early on. With the bosses, it's really just a matter of learning their movement and experimenting with strategies until you find one that works. Lace 2 is a good example of this.
>>539001336>>539001205Hollow Knight runbacks were so much fucking worse. Mantis Lords, Nosk, Soul Master, Hive Knight, Traitor Lord....most of those you wouldnt have dream gate for. Feels like revionist history. Only Groal has a bad runback in Silksong.
>>539002875180 shards is nothing. Just buy shard packs, you can afford like 1 a minute in act 2.
How clunky do you want your gameplay?Witch crest: Yes
Download link? I can't afford it rn
>>539003874>Nosk0 enemies>Soul MasterElevator shortcut and only one or two enemies.>Hive KnightDreamgate.
>>539004315And you have to fight zero enemies before Last Judge but everyone whines about it.
>>539004306if you cant afford this game i think you should re think your living situation, you shouldn't even be playing games, get a second job
>>539002689well i suppose you could cry like a little bitch about it instead
>>539004086That's a full third of your ammo pack before you have to go back and farm again. This cringe shit was not a problem in the first game nor in any metroidvania that released in the interim, for good reason. It was a failed experiment on Fromsoft's part when they debuted it in Sekiro and arrogance on Team Cherry's part here. They simply thought they were too cool for feedback.
im missing these 2 trinkets plus the very last yellow one, any tips?
Fellow architects what are you using?
>>539004838>Me: this system fucking sucks because it enforces a sigma grindset on you that nobody wanted nor asked for>You: "dude but gave you le thought of the most efficient grinding route???"The constant farming is the problem regardless of efficiency you dumb motherfucker. What you wrote was a complete non response and it was treated as such.
People drawing human Hornet need to stop being cowards and draw her naked under the cloak like she is in canon.
>>539002039Everything would just get immediately fixed if the game would refund the shard you've wasted on death.
>>539002875Did you mean unraveled? Alright. Let me clue you in on something, you shouldn't be using tools to blitz early stages of boss fights. Under NO circumstances should you ever be doing this. It's going to lead to you running out of shards like an idiot. Fight the boss without tools until you can consistently get it down to the later phases AND THEN, if you TRULY must, spam the tools to finish it. This is much more reliable AND much more efficient. If you are taking damage and dying in early phases, just suck it up and try again - if you don't spam your tools out like a retard, your shards won't mysteriously disappear. Good lord you are idiotic.
>>539005840>Dude like the best way to use these tools is to not actually use them except to help speedrun bosses you can already kill toolless in your NG+ runI already told you that the system is retarded, you don't need to repeat my own point back to me.
>cog dancersPURE KINOFinally got the grappling hook and spoke to the architest... and now I'm fucking stuck? I see the map to get back to whiteward, but I can't seem to get back there? Am retarded, what am I supposed to do here ;_;
Do you think modders will be able to put Knight into silksong. I wanna see how far the little guy can get.
>hit the bug>nuh uhWhy the fuck does this keep happening?
fucking finally, decided to say fuck it and spam as many explosives as i could because i got tired of raging. god this boss is so shit
ive been a m+kb user forever only and only bought a controller for hk 4 years ago, this game is tough, do you think i should try out m=kb again? i hear the default keybinds are very bad, whats everyone rocking?
>>539005126Silkshot LaserSawbladesCogfliesSometimes I switch in tacks for ground bosses and chakra's rings for flying bosses.
>>539006396nvm, i'm retarded. had to go a different route. Gonna get double jump, assume those are all my traversing abilities, then go back to Act one areas and get EVERYTHING. Wish me luck
It sucks how common double damage is because it means that each heart container I get is really only 0.5 heart containers. I can get the 8th heart but it will make almost no difference until I can get a 9th.
>>539007068Poison?
>>539006908They already gave hornet his skillset what more do you need?
>>539006396You can circle back around the map and the hookshot lets you get to a bunch of places.
>>539006018I do use tools, I just don't open with them because I realize that I'll be running a deficit using up my shards while I'm learning the boss. I've closed out most boss fights with poison throwing pins, including the unraveled. Get it down to second or third phase with your ammo saved and then you can unload on it. Just be more restrained in your use of tools and you won't have shard problems. If that means that you have to face challenges that you feel you aren't prepared for, isn't that at least a more interesting conundrum than spending the same amount of time farming for shards? Is my alternative really that unpalatable to you?
>>539006908???just play with the wanderer crest
>>539006959Because you're using wanderer
>>539007175NTA but descending dark and abyss shriek (both of which cost soul instead of shards), and the free iframe dash would make the knight turn Pharloom into mincemeat. It's not a question of if he'd make the game easier, only of by how much.
>>539007167Of course, its free damage
>>539007350It happens with every crest.
>>539006959It's probably something like this.
>>539006959reaperGODS
>>539007175I think four tiny little knights chasing after tall Hornet in a hunters VS speedrunners mod would be funny.
>>539007269No, because the reason why I use the caltrops to skip essentially the entirety of phase 1 is because I don't like the fight and don't want to spend every a second longer on it than necessary, and I strongly resent the game insisting I slog it out the long way with these fake fucking ammo constraints. I haven't fought the Bilewater frog yet but I already know from other anons that it's going to be the exact same situation. "For my own good," of course, can't make the game too fun or else it'd be too easy!! Faggot ass dev mentality. Anytime devs start thinking they're too good for their game to be fun, they need to apply corrective rape to their own assholes until those thoughts go away.
>>539007561That's a retarded way of designing hitboxes
second sentinel would've been a good fight if I could see a goddamn thing!!Why the fuck do I get flashbanged standing in the middle of the room, WTF team cherry!!
>>539007807If you transform hitboxes for backflips and other fluff you will run into the problem of enemies constantly getting stuck in shit and you'll have to redo them if you change animations.
>Get clawhook>Realize that Hornet is just shoving her needle into the grapple holes>Realize there's nothing technically stopping her from grabbing any of the rings if you jump into them without using the clawhook, which is oftentimes possible>The game just won't let you because she just can't, ok?Artificial difficulty
>>539007774Seems like a self-defeating mindset. The boss is harder to hit with needle swings in its later phases because of the area denial, so wouldn't you want to save your tools anyway? If you just slowed down, you might end up taking less time overall on these fights.
>>539008404>Get sprint>Realize that Hornet is running>Realize there was nothing technically stopping her from running before>The game just won't let you because she just can't, ok?
I don't care how much better the other crests might be I've been using wanderer for the past 30 hours and it is the only one with a decent pogo
>>539007774>needle only phase 1 bosses>save all your tools to blitz the harder phasesIts really that easy
>>539008569If Team Cherry didn't design the gameplay to be as cucked and obnoxious as possible, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.
>>539008404Wait until you realize that it's just a video game and none of it is real.
>>539008851At least the sprint description says she's somehow running at a supernatural speed when you get it. I know I've had a bunch of situations where I fuck up a platforming and miss the clawhook but horner still physically touches the grapple point, she just can't interact with it because she's fucking stupid.
>>539008891I really find it hard to justify the usage of hunter if you can have others or for fun.The damage and pogo are worse than wanderer. Shaman and Architect are WAY easier to use and are also safer. Shaman, as well as Reaper, also has it completely beat in terms of range.Like if you actually rank them up Hunter is about 4th best and that's pushing it.
>>539008404Did you miss the part where the sealed prison sapped all her strength
Here's an Ancient Weaver technique I just unlocked, if you don't sit at a bench it doesn't save your location, so sit where you wanna stay, go travel some place to buy shit or accept quests or upgrade, and then save&quit and you're back at your original place. Very cool
>>539008945If you say so. Just think on my advice a little bit, okay? Maybe spend some time cooling off.
>>539009332She's just a girl
>>539009432People are redicovering old stuff. Pvre sovl.
>>539009371You get Shaman WAY too late in the game sadly
Spoiling myself a little but could you guys circle which parts in here are a story segment/boss? I feel like I'm stepping around some major sequence progression flags and don't want to fuck anything else up elsewhere. Like how far out from the loom mark is "the right way".
Wanderer does have that satisfying as fuck double sprint attack which also makes it pretty great
>>539009697>I feel like I'm stepping around some major sequence progression flags and don't want to fuck anything else up elsewhere.You are not.Walk into the loom mark. That's not the final boss.
I feel like that article I read a few days ago about Silksong getting easier in the later Acts had no fucking idea what they were talking about and didn't play Act 3
>>539009371Because you are comparing them in Act 3. Unless you constantly get hit evolved Hunter gives you 55% damage increase before Act 2 and 30-38% damage increase until Act 3.
>>539009697don't worry you won't accidentally step into act 3, it's hard to get it even if you want to, the only thing you'll miss is some NPCs helping with certain fights if you do them before you ask them for help
>>539009697You are fine, keep going. You will know the "main" progression route is soon.
>>539009981Wasn't the damage increase like 20%? Sure that might mean one less hit on some guys but I'm fairly certain the guy measuring the damage said it went from like 13 to like 16
>Beastling Call doesnt work in the final areaFUCK YOU
>I'm awful at platformers>Somehow Silksong isn't even that hard for meAre people just really shit at this game?
>>539009831Oh I know there are 3 acts I'm just trying not to fuck up anything anywhere else on the map, since I haven't done the Mist or Bilewater yet, and some NPC questlines>>539010004Yeah the NPCs are what I'm worried about. Met the knight dude in Bilewater but turned back hoping some more mask shards would be in the citadel/act 2 to help deal with the attrition cancer area.>>539010036Guess I'll get the Citadel done then.Thanks.
>>539010192It's +5 damage.
>>539009697The Citadel is really open-ended don't worry. You won't get railroaded into anything.
>>539010304With the amount of crying there is over the Judge runback, which was easy as fuck and I found quite fun trying to optimise? Yes.
>>539010304Yes.
>>539009497Maybe spend some time sucking my cock, use both hands so they're used for something productive instead of typing out dogshit apologisms for dogshit time waster mechanics
Runbacks have gotten so bad that they now include the entire fucking level. Die to the boss, go back to the start of the area, there just are no checkpoints anymore.This is unbelievable. Are all these memory areas and bosses going to be like this?
>>539010304you arent as bad as you think you are
>>539001116all you have to do is keep playing and you'll become as good as old school platformer fansor just play more platformers, there's shitloads of amazing ones and there's a /v/ recommended games wiki to show you the way
>>539010304No. It's a hard game.
>>539010304People are trying to bruteforce Hunter's March in the first hour and are crying bloody tears about not getting a free win. Its the Dark Souls 1 skeleton graveyard situation.
>>539001205>even on 4chan bitches are still whining that you get any punishment whatsoever for dyinggrim
>>539010918No, each memory is pretty unique. That runback is totally free though and the boss is easy, who cares.>>539011271Why would you ever listen to what /v/ recommends though
>>539002039it's basically impossible to even spend shards nearly as fast as you can regain them until you're far enough in the game that you have multiple shard limit upgrades and can easily and quickly grind both shards themselves and rosaries to buy shitloads of shard refills at literally any merchant also if you are using your entire ammo pool of all your red tools on a boss and still not beating it you should, i don't know, fucking practice it a few times and whittle it down first or save tools for shit like adds or phases they're otherwise hard to land hits on exclusively like a normal player?
>>539011652kinyo
>>5390114744chan is pretty fucking terrible at video games and routinely complains about games being too hard or unfair.
How to make Shaman strong?
>>539011652retarded yuricucks are shipping them even tho lace is literally a child and not even a bug
>>539011675>No, each memory is pretty unique.Thank fucking god.>That runback is totally free though and the boss is easy, who cares.That statement might mean something if it wasn't used by someone or other for literally every single runback and boss in this entire game.
>>539011652>the music kicking in as all the dead get puppeted to lifeKino>>539011959Ehh I've seen ships with less evidence especially with true ending.
>>539008404my brother in christ it's called the claw hookdo you understand what a claw or a hook are?they are things to grab onto things like those rings or wallsby default hornet's nail is a fully smooth straight weapon that can't do that. she needs a tool she didn't happen to have on her when she was kidnapped and almost definitely stripped of everything but her basic nail and cloak when she was brought to pharloom
>>539010602The biggest time waster mechanic of all is whining to anonymous strangers online like a prissy little faggot. Is my little princess not having fun? Fuck off and die, nigger.
>>539011959Lace is more like a 1000 year old loli
>>539011985Theres not even many runbacks in the game though, you people are such drama queens.
>>539012236that would be hornet actually
friendly reminder that Lace is technically Hornet's aunt.
I feel like I've done basically everything yet I still haven't gotten the act 3 quest, does anyone know what the requirements for it are?
>>539012263Yeah, because they're all totally free for easy bosses, am I right? Being good at video games means being able to recognize when something is too hard, poorly designed, or what have you, even if you yourself didn't have a hard time with it.
>>539011652Where does this mf went after prison?I can't find him anywhere and I am in act2 already
>>539012510Get the fleas to move to fleatopiaDo all the wishes you can (the delivery ones are optional outside the gourmet one iirc)Upgrade all settlementsBuy a houseGet all the maps and do Shakra's questI think thats everything
Do I need to fetch some power elsewhere or am I supposed to figure out what to do here with these rings ?
>>539012619>>539011652>Where does this mf went after prison?>I can't find him anywhere and I am in act2 already>>539010918I mean that gay bug from sinners road cage, open prison cell, then he vanished.
>>539012586Its not too hard or poorly designed though>>539012681Yes, you want to search elsewhere.
>>539012681You need the clawhook.
>>539012668I'm pretty sure I've done all of those, except the wisp thicket
>>539012820>>539012848Thanks.
>>539001116I feel you. I was filtered by HK1, and didn't even plan to play SS. The bosses in SS has been fun, but each time I enter a room filled with saws and spikes I go "What?? Why??" I can tell platforming really isn't for me, and I kinda wanna give up. Even runbacks, hard or long, are toilsome and brakes the momentum of enjoying the boss.Only thing that's keeping me going is that "everyone" else is also playing it. I'm 35 hours in and I still haven't even gotten all three citidel songs.
They should make a sequel where you play as the Hollow Knight You can play as his big form with big swings, high health and armor, or shift into his little form to more easily traverse obstacles or tight areas
>>539008170remember though you can have two hitboxes one for the collision the other for detecting hits
>>539012769He's around the Citadel.
>>539012492that just makes it hotter
>>539013017Feels like the next protagonist is going to be Lace. But I am on my hands and knees praying for a HK appearance at some point.
>>539011652Two immortal lolibabas, only one of whom is also supernaturally stuck with a mind of a child, who is also dependent on a substance the older acting one is the sole remaining source of to live, is most most deliciously erotic toxic yuri relationship I've seen in a while.
>>539012492Aren't they more like cousins?
>>539013462Silk created the Weavers and Herah is heavily implied to be a firstborn. Hornet is Herah's daughter. Silk then created Phantom and Lace as her direct children. So Lace is Herah's sister.
>>539013462All that matters is that they are fucking nasty style using Hornets witch tentacles.
>>539012492Hera isn't a weaver is she? The Pale King certainly isn't, it's more that her Pale part mixed with her common spider part and it created something like a weaver but she isn't directly related
>>539013781She's 100% a weaver
>>539013178The next protagonist will be Sherma, who spent 10 years hard time in The Slab
>>539013178 Let the knight rest he's just chilling in the abyss.
>>539013898Sherma's developmemt of going from a blind religious follower to someone who protects his fellow pilgrims is genuine kino, I dont want him to have to suffer through an adventure, he deserves rest.
>>539013898It'll be Lace
I'm about to drop this fucking game at the bilewater boss. This is not fun in the slightest even with the second bench. This is pure, unfiltered dog shit.
>>539014116Just use your tools. Or cheese him by hiding in the lower right of the water. Or come back after you get the maggot repeling tool in the ducts.
>>539014116It's a really bad runback.Use tools on him, knives and drills. Alternatively, hang out down in the leeches, he's really bad at hitting you down there.
>>539011778>it's basically impossible to even spend shards nearly as fast as you can regain themEven exhausting just basic act 1 tools puts you at minus ~90 shards. This is a blatant lie.
>>539014115I could go for a Lace campaign, idk what she'd be up to, but she seems easy to build a fun moveset out of. Maybe they could embrace the fencer aspect and force you into engaging with parryslop mechanics, lol
I give up. Groal is so fucking hard I just don't think I can do it. I've tried him for 100+ attempts and it just isn't happening. By far and away the hardest boss in a Soulslike I played. I don't get how people complained about PCR when this piece of shit exists. Impossible.
>>539014372Double the game speed>>539014479Apparently you can sit in the water on the left side and he can't reach you
>>539014264>Just use your toolsOh yeah let me just run all the way back to the citadel and farm rosaries so i can buy stacks of shards againJesus fuck the mere thought about trudging through this game world again gives me conniptions.
I feel like they should've split flurry attack into two parts so if you get hit at the end of a flurry attack you only get hit for one mask. I think it both makes sense and would've lessened the complaints about double damage.
>complaining about boss runbacks>complaining about materials running out>complaining about hard optional areasWelcome back Bloodborne
>>539013178>>539014115I hope not. Lace is kinda whatever.
>>539014479>he doesn't know that you can cheese him by hiding in the corner
>>539014924I think she's cool. and if she retains any of her Lost Lace void moves it would be incredible.
>>539014924YOU'RE kinda whatever. Bitch
>>539014707I've clocked a thousand hours in BB. This is like some autist doing a bloodborne i wanna be the guy expy
>>539014924don't speak so disrespectfully about my wife, bud
>>539014961Doesn't work. His minions can hit me and he can jump out of the water. Also that way I can't damage him so what's the point. No I don't use tools, I don't have shards.
>>539014479His worst move is the soul vomit which you can learn, otherwise he's not really hard. PCR is just dogshit unenjoyable rollslop and they had to nerf him because he had a frametrap unless you were sticking to his right and even then he could reposition then do it which could screw you over and he would blind you (and still does) every 5 seconds. If I knew how to make Elden Ring mods I would overhaul him just to make him not dogshit to fight.
>some of the late game hazards and enemies deal 4-5 masks of damageHoly shit
>>539015439The water jump is literally the only thing that can hit you and the minions leave.
>>539015439In the water, under the platform. Smash your face into the wall. No, his minions can't hit you - I sat there for about 15 minutes. Yes, he can pop out of the water under you randomly, you can see the bubbles and splashing, just swim out of the way. Lodge yourself into the corner, wait for his suck attack, do a tiny jump out of the water, hit him after his suck finishes, back to the corner. It takes forever, but he will not hit you.
>>539014116skill issueI beat groal without even touching him with my needle on my 3rd attempttools + pollip pouch is insane they will 100% nerf it
I HATE BILEWATERI HATE BILEWATERI HATE BILEWATERI HATE BILEWATERI HATE BILEWATER
>>539015450Not only did he push the limits (and not in a good way) but nobody asked for a homoerotic relationship between Radahn and Miquella while using Mohg's dead body as a vessel.>>539015508Do you have the charm that makes you take double damage on? It is indicated by spikes near your masks.
>>539015652>a shitter who bruteforced encounter by grinding shards and summoning flies over and over boasts about "skill issues"
>>539015508No they dont? The highest mask damage is 3 and only 2 enemies deal that.
Gay sex with Green Prince.
>>539015015>>539015194>>539015316I don't know. She never stood out to me as much as Hornet did in HK.
>>539015797I didnt grind anything and I didn't even have cogflies when I beat himall my straight pins with a few sting shards were enough to take him down
>the best pistol is locked behind mount fay actually and there's absolutely no way for you to even know this beforehand
>>539013178It will Zote, The Revenant
When do I get another crest? I wasted my slot unlocks before getting the heavy attack crest but I'm kind of tired of it now. I'm still early into the game, I think (Blasted Steps). I'm hoping there's an earlier one that I just missed somehow.
groal is going to get nerfed anyways. 100% the average normie wont be able to beat him
>>539016292Pretty sure you can have 4 by now. Hunter, Wanderer, Reaper, Beast.
>>539009497Oh yeah, and just I beat that faggot boss on my last round of ammo. So I never had to do it toolless, but I had to ration it. But now I have no ammo. Time to go back and farm lil gamie gamer!!!! Can't have you playing the game for too long at once otherwise you might get mad!! Remember to take a break!
>>539016091I don't have anything particular against her, but nah. Nowhere near same aura.>>539016292You can get a good one west of Bone Bottom.
>>539014116I don't mind the maggots, hell I don't even mind his fucking attacks, but I absolutely despise how you can be hitting him and whenever he fucking feels like it he will jump forward to dive and take 2 hp from you. So fucking annoying.
>>539016360You guys said this about the last judge last week. Next week you'll be crying about Karmelita.
>>539002039Shards are easily the worst design decision they've made beyond the changes to healing system. They made magic awful but intronduced a bunch of fun tools, except you need to heavily grind if you even want to consistently use them in late game because enemies drop pitiful amount of shards.
Some random stuff that's a bit hard to figure out:>Little Pilgrim in bone bottomThere's a way to save them. First off talk to them enough to trigger talks and make them introduce themselves. Do not do the Tyrant quest until you enter act 2, or if you do, do not go to the left side of the bench at bone bottom or else you'll trigger the other's assault for revenge. Once on act 2, after you get double jump, they'll be at pilgrim's rest after you open the door to the right (do not let the stag beetle get out, kill it first), after that I'm unsure, but I read they move on act 3 and can be found somewhere at bile, past that they should move to Songclave at some point I believe>ShakraYou can duel her by finishing up most of the map and getting her final quest. Once that's done, she can help you at the fight in the forum, and will place one of her tools east of bellhart at Greymoor. Hit it to duel her.>GarmondDuring act 2, before you get all of the songs, you can find Garmond fighting at different spots in the capital, after witnessing 3, he will perch himself on an area east of songclave, which you need to get through a vault's passage. If you meet him there, he'll ask for a duel, win it and he'll now offer to help you out during the forum fight.
i wonder why some areas just leave your cocoon deep into a spike sea when you die there and others place it at the start
>>539016238Damn now I want to see Hornet unmasked
>>539012209I'm sorry that people pointing out that stupid troll mechanics are bad design makes you mad, niglet, but it's a huge problem with the game overall and you're gonna hear this same complaint for the rest of it's existence. Get used to it now. Not having fun? Take a break!
>>539015803Voltnest has shit that does 4 masks of damage. Granted, it's more>laser hits you for 2 masks>consistently blasts you into wall that does 2 more masks
Hohoo...OOooOoohh...Aaah..Ooh!
>>539016663The game is getting amazing reviews from game journalists, the same people you guys say are terrible at video games.
>>539016542i never thought last judge was hard, groal is though. i will bet you money he gets nerfed, maybe last judge does too (dont see why but whatever). hollow knight got nerfed 12 times.
>>539016238What the hell do the masks do for them again?
>>539013781Hornet is explicitly, specifically called a "child of weaver and wyrm" at least once in Silksong. Pale King is a wyrm. Therefore...
>>539016764Game journalists care about one thing, following the hype and the marketing. They learned their lesson after the 8.8 incident almost 20 years ago now.
>>539016507>Nowhere near same aura.Yeah, that's pretty much my issue with Lace as well. She's a great side character, but I just don't see her as protagonist.
Oh my god my heart
You get the option to buy reflective steel colored paint for your home in steel soul mode.
>>539016801Keep them from going schizo.
>>539017387Sex
>Hornet is used goods.
>>539017505The mask maker on mount becomes extra eloquent and well spoken without it though.
>>539017557lol incels did not take kindly to this
>>539017557If an immortal ancient demigod was a virgin, I'd think there's something wrong with her.
>539017557>posted it again award>539017627would not be surprised if (you) requested author to make thisalso retard and most likely a samefagging tranny
>>539017519No! Do not sex tiny Hornet!
>>539017737>I'd think there's something wrong with her.Well, the way Hornet speaks she's clearly on the spectrum.
>>539017557Western writers, what did you expect
>>539016705DIFFICULTY!
Who is the strongest contender in the Hornetbowl?>>539017627That's genuinely just pathetic.
Looking at the bugs of Hallownest its very likely Hornet fucked a bee or a mantis.
>>539017864I will but first is her mother
>>539016705That segment of the game is so short it's a complete non-issue, they might as well have made it an instant-kill.
>>539017946Probably Shakra. Sherma and Lace are close behind though. Second Sentinel is my crackship.
>>539018082You disgust me
>>539017867Well, with her personality the "courtship" she could've shown to those failed "mates" could've been something like:>I challenge you to a duel! If you win you can have you way with me!>Wait, why are you dead?
>>539017946>yuritroon falls for the troll post Yeah that's genuinely just pathetic
>>539013178>>539014115Imo the “issue” with Lace being a protagonist is her character designKnight and Hornet both have really simple but appealing designs. Lace’s design isn’t bad but it doesn’t scream protagonist energy if that makes sense
>>539018234>I dont like it so its a trolllol
>>539017946The knight after he gets bored from sitting the the abyss.
>>539018269Eh, fair. It could just be her way to discover herself
>>539018234>yuritroonNigger, I just post good art, which happens to be lesbian. Also, it's not like there's strong male contenders in the game. Green Prince is gay and the Bell Beast turned out to be female.
>>539018497There is Seth I suppose, I could see Hornet fucking him.
>>539017557>Hornet had several mates, but no children>Herrah couldn’t father a child with her husband and needed the Pale King to impregnate her>The Citadel literally needed to go to other kingdoms to find Weaverspawn despite the Weavers originating in Pharloom.Unrelated but is the implication that Weavers have low fertility?
>>539018630They might need an extremely powerful mate
>>539018497sherma is the only oneanyone who says otherwise is a gay homo troon faggot
>>539018630Her husband was dead, thats why Herah couldnt have a child. That being said I dont think we ever see a male weaver and their whole society seems matriarchal. Maybe they're uncommon.
I doubt Team Cherry's next game will be HK related thoughever, after so many years working on both games (and after completing the upcoming obligatory DLC) I can't imagine they wouldn't want to do something drastically different.
>>539018306Check archives retard
>>539018876Yeah I've posted that image twice, it doesnt mean its a troll. Its funny, lighten up and have sex.
>>539018749No way Sherma is a male.>>539018862Who knows. They seem the kind of traditionalists that they might aim for the trilogy meme. And at the same pace, they could just retire after that.
>>539018862Didn't they already confirm a DLC for Silksong?
>>539019092The whiteward quest confirms he's a femboy
>>539017946The witch tentacles inside her.
>>539019092hes always been referred to as male ingame
>>539019094yes, that's why is said>and after completing the upcoming obligatory DLCafter the DLC they'll probably be burned out on the HK universe if they weren't already
>>539018957Posted it like a fag who spammed threads with this for 4 days. Go have some sex too and stop making shit up
>>539019296Oh. Perhaps I should head to bed..But I do hope for more bug-games. Australians make good bug games
Why wasn't anyone going to tell me that the default crest is by far the best one in the game?
>>539019323>posting an image twice is spamKnowing it makes you mad just makes it funnier dude, I cant believe people are triggered at Hornet having sex.
I just get excited ever time there's a new god thing or species with a strong gimmick so I don't have strong ideas what HK 3s protagonist should be as long as we see new lore fule.Actually no HK 3 should have a half lifeblood gods kid. I like the blue.
spiders are so inherently erotic
Hollow knight 3: Silksong: 2s main character will be a hornet named Spider.
>>539019453>posting an image twice is spamI never said and youre making shit up>I cant believe people are triggered at Hornet having sex.>implying I ever cared about that Either a troll or a retard you are anonmust touch grass and take your meds you must
>>539014479>>539014116here's my Groal cheese video, hope it helps or something
>>539020262From the 1st second I can see you're retarded>sees the robots explode>keeps summoning them
HONEY it's time to fight another cancer ass piece of shit boss! I honestly have no patience for this shit right now
Is this the correct way to deliver meat or am I fucking stupid?I do have anklets and flea brew.Yes, the route is pre-cleared.
>>539020428It's not even a hard fight, my negro.
>>539020420it's called aura, old man, just like those last three curveclawsactually, I hadn't realized there was a 4 bot limit until that exact moment
>>539020437I found it easier to go like this. You take that one small elevator that takes you up
>>539020428use tools https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_xWfiOp93PnzF_D-vY9v35jZ1pvqBZ0K?si=MqaqGtS5IJNuPZ6J
>>539020532I went to the right instead and, didn't get hit and had around 1 bar left, but I didn't have wings.
>>539020262>poison robotsYou didn't beat the game.
I tried for another hour but I just can't. My first Groal attempt today was at 6PM. It's now midnight and I still haven't gotten close. The hardest boss produced in the last 10 years.
>>539020428that boss is easy
>>539020428You guys are such shitters lmao
>>539020437Yeah, that's right.Do you have double jump? It makes it way easier, and some of the other ingredients require it, so there's no reason at all to do it without.
>>539020428Every annoying boss has had a perfectly learnable pattern for me. Broodmother was the only one that got me close to getting tilted.
>>539020723Bro just stay in the water, dodge his jumps out of the water and spam tools, what are you doing
>>539020720do you know what "cheesing" a boss means?
>>539020970I don't have access to tools because I don't have shards. I refuse to farm for shards.
>>539020723Where is that bench?
>>539021084farm for rosaries and buy shard bundles in Bellhart, not hard
>>539021084You never farm shards, you farm rosaries and but shard bundles. You have poison cogflies which is the "I win" button
>>539020723I can't believe people who found the secret bench have trouble with that boss, without it 90% of the challenge was the runback
>>539017946Shakra.Ghost
>>539021290>You have poison cogflies which is the "I win" buttonIt doesn't even do that much. If I use my entire stock of poison cogflies it only pushes him over into phase 2 and then I'm still fucked. He is absurdly hard to even land a hit on safely. I'm done though, game has me beat. Going to replay HK again.
>>539021290>You never farm shards, you farm rosaries and but shard bundlesSame shit. Imagine having a fucking grindan mechanic in your metroidvania.
>>539021710>so bad he cant even win with poison cogfliesOkay bye bitch
>>539019720But the bee's are dead.
>>539021710>>539020723how much tool damage do you have? because you can see this video >>539020262 killing Groal with just cogflies and curveclaws
>>539019453I can't believe people here fall for made up narative so easily while also thinking that they're funny in any way.
>>539021739Most Castlevania games have grinding.
I'm horny for Hornet.
>>539021992Only if you want to collect all souls or items. Not a fundamental mechanic for your game.
i did some looking online and groal is fucking FILTERING people.
>>539022640You can just look in these threads, he's shitting on 4channers
https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/127>when modders massively improve your shit game design
groal will get nerfed anyways
>>539022850Why not just turn on godmode or watch a letsplay if you're going to cheat?
>All these people ITT seething about a boss I stumbled into and oneshotIs this what its like to be good at a game
>>539022978I can already "cheat" by farming rosaries for shards for 30 minutes. Why should i waste my time when i can do this?
>>539021104Nevermind, I found it myself.
I don't get what I'm looking for in the mists. I'm clearly wrongwarping because I can walk forever in a direction and never hit the boundary. The game obviously wants me to find a special room but I can't figure out a sequence of warps, or any clue, that would lead me to such a thing. Is there just a backdoor into the area somewhere that turns off the mist and makes it normal, or should I continue banging my head against this wall?
>>539023237Music is the key
>>539020437Instead of going left, I recommend going right and taking the elevator and then entering woods. That path is much safer.
Bugs not dropping shards during boss battles is bullshit because I eventually have to stop my attempts to grind back my throwables. That said I just killed the Widow, easy ass first phase, second phase was bullet hell bullshit, but I did it. At this point I'm not sure what's the point of the crests, because the only really viable one is the Reaper. I'm still pissed you can't pet the Bell Beast, or the fleas for that matters.
>>539023082>oneshotYou didn't beat the boss.
Baby making sex with a very old moth woman I will farm all essence for her
>>539023502Reaper has great reach, Wanderer is really fast, Architect does crazy damage, Witch has an amazing moveset. I imagine Hunter is really good if you can play perfectly and not get hit, but if you're that good you can probably win with anything. The only really bad crest is Beast, and even that one has some anons that have made it work.
We NEED a Godhome DLC.
nobody watched the epic fight i posted
>deep docks (late) arena killed me more than last judgethe brothers fight was kino tho
>Act 3>All enemies doing double damage and taking 10 hits to kill>paths randomly blocked leaving you to find out you can't go there kilometers away from the bellwayI want to replay this game less and less each passing hour
>>539024239I made a huge mistake not having the magma bell for that portion. But yeah that was a neat boss.
>>539023880I have the first four for now. To me reach is king, simply because of contact damage and fucking flying little shits that you need somehow to get close to. I tried Wanderer for a bit, and it was fun spamming attacks, but having to get so close would eventually lead to some costly mistakes. Yeah, Beast seems a straight downgrade all around, I don't understand what it's strong point should be.
>Act 3 refight is easier and has worse presentation than the original fightWhat did Verdanians mean by this? It's too bad, I really like the area.
>>539024379??? What way is blocked? The only one I can remember is the first shrine warp but you can unlock it from behind.
https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/166>multiple co-op mods, including one that mods the knight into the game>still no boss refight mod
>>539024379>>paths randomly blocked leaving you to find out you can't go there kilometers away from the bellwayYeah like two or three instances of that in the whole gameIf anything I wish more of the world had changed. The Shrine elevator being blocked raised my expectations too damn high, I expected more differences in the map between act 2 and 3, instead most of it just had a filter applied to it.
>>539024550hunters march through deep docks
>>539023502Yeah I wish gauntlet enemies dropped shardsNot dropping rosaries I feel is fair
If you break the Hornet statuette your save is BRICKED
>>539024239The gauntlet there was brutal. Two of the big grenade guys in that tiny room, god damn. >>539024465I'm on that right now. I like the area a lot, but the bosses and runbacks suck.
>>539024065Voidhome.It's like Godhome but with darker colours and instead of being watched by the Godseeker, it's just Ghost.
>>539025212No one's retarded enough to break the Hornet statuette, come on.
>>539023302Does that mean it's an area I haven't found yet?
>>539025441Music
>>539025250Pantheon of Pharloom ends with a Ghost fight.Beating it unlocks being able to challenge the Pantheon of Hallownest (New Lord of Shades fight replaces Absolute Radiance) as Hornet and the ability to challenge the Pantheon of Pharloom as Ghost.
>>539025441play purple haze for the butterflies, they love that shit
>>539024414That's my sentiment too. I recognize that Wanderer is probably better if you get really good and can lay in the DPS, but...whatever, I like Reaper more. Reach good, hit and run. Plus Wanderer's just really boring to use and it's charm slots fucking suck. I hate Beast and don't use it, but from what I've seen, anons put on the no knockback charm and just go ham on enemies, healing through their damage. I'm skeptical, but apparently they make it work, so more power to them. Also yes, gauntlet enemies really should drop shards. There's no reason at all for them not to.
>>539025250>Ghost just shows Hornet around his sweet Abyss crib and they fight things together
Shards shouldn't be a fucking thing. Tools should just have finite uses and Architect should refill them in exchange for soul.
>Moss Mother journal entry alludes to Silk's motivationsKINOOOOOOOO
>>539026185Is that the megabug vomiting acid at incredible pace?
>>539026460She's the starter boss
>>539026460it's the tutorial boss>>539026185that's neat. i'm a sucker for any kind of catalog of enemies, items, etc. where the characters write personal musings. it's such a minimal amount of effort to write that stuff (barring translations), but it goes so far. Pikmin is also especially great in this regard.
>only the Citadel enemies drop rosaries in act 2This entire system is so FUCKED it's unbelievable
>>539026612Yeah I love the journal in this game, its so cute how Hornet adores fluffy bugs.
>>539026770You will deliver the Amazon packages
>>539026770>spend 10 minutes grinding the knights outside cogwork core>never have to worry about rosaries againFeels good
>had enough of silksong>decided to turn DS1 to detox from this garbage>realize that bilewater is just some autistic sped's fanfic on blighttown, absolutely unoriginal but jacked to eleven to make sure it has no semblance of fun
>>539027050In a better game you would never have to grind and just naturally gain enough currency to buy thingsOr better yet, these items would be spread across the world
>>539026770You can go back to act one areas to farm. If you get the thief insignia from Grindle, the three pilgrims to the right of halfway home drop 47 rosaries and some shards. My preferred method is to hit them with a poison boomerang. only costs 5 shards which I more than recoup from the three kills and it basically instakills them. Feels faster than pissing around with citadel enemies or doing deliveries.
>>539027179it would have been quicker to just type "I suck at the game" and it would have conveyed the same message.
>>539027426Post more webms of using poison flies to cheese that shit boss
>>539027327I'm glad I'm not a shitter and dont let 10 minutes of grinding ruin an amazing experience.
>>539027512post YOUR gameplay, bud. everyone wants to see
>>539027371>farmthe very fact you have to farm to empty vendor inventories in this game is atrocious
>>539027512That boss is far from being the hardest one in the game, what the hell are you complaining about?
>>539027512The boomerang is far stronger and Groal isnt even hard on his own, you guys are so bad at this game lol
Was Widow based on the first sinner??
Is weapon swing speed all that matters since needle damage is flat per swing regardless of the flavor text?
I've learned from these threads that I am far, far better than most of you at video games.
>just exploring, rest at main town and immediately alt tab out to check on something>audio goes fucking nuts and apparently a boss just shows up out of nowhereI'm really annoyed I missed the first 90% of the scene. Is the nice bug dead? Does the bench ever get fixed?
>>539027986hate that off-model shitHornet is a slender sex machine. Get those fatass cheeks away from my face.
>>539027838what do you mean based on? First Sinner is a sort of souped up reskin of the Widow fight and they're both Weavers. But Widow was a tortured fanatic and Sinner went against Silk.
>>539028181the real question is: what does Lace look like under her silk fencing outfit?
>>539028110Pilby can die if you dont move him, they even hold a funeral. The bench will soon get fixed.
>>539028110Dead as a doorknob, there's a funeral laterIt does get fixed
>>539028181Postgame she gets super fat from snail magic.
>>539018497Why ship to begin with? HK shipping is non-existent.
>>539028952Because the protagonist is extremely fuckable unlike Ghost.
>>539029018>rotagonist is extremely fuckable>must ship it with someone elseWhat kind of cuck logic is this?
>Remember flea juggle being garbage>Did it second try in my steel soul run>Dodge is giving me nothing but garbage RNG now and making me stuck
>>539028952I unironically ship ghost with mantis lords funnily enough.>"Actually beating us in combat is a marriage proposal."
>>539029159Self insertfags are mentally ill
>>539027986>see? I beat this game millions of people also did using this *normal game mechanic*and?
>>539029637Yeah that checks out every time
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
so, is Hornet without mask a Tali'Zorah from Mass effect thing now? is there no illustration of her maskless?
>>539030537The only bugs without masks are slugs
>>539027179>decay-themed place in two separate IPs>duhhrrrrr they must be connectedDoes your mom need to jingle keys in front of you while you take your meds you retarded ape
>>539014075I just got to this scene today, absolute kino moment
>>539007049m+kb user here. I run arrowkeys for movement, A for Bind, S for Sprint, D for Jump, F for Attack, G for Harpoon, and E for Tools and Skills.Everything other than those doesn't really matter outside of personal preference.
>>539030709I know we're using the term bug loosely, but a slug is not a bug. Also, Lace seemingly doesn't wear a mask. Her eyes change shape in some of her animations. Might just be artistic license.
I can't find First Sinner.
>>539016801The Vessel masks are special, they had something to do with the Pale King
I died more times to this than Blightwater, I suck at platforming
What's your favorite crest?
Groal would be a pretty easy fight if not for the enemy rush right before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XDiWYFGGqYI wonder if any popular theories from HK got disproven with Silksong.Besides Lord of Shades deniers.
>>539025613>>539025791Ok I got it. I would literally never have guessed that.
>>539031108>same respawning flies but now tanky as shit>same poison dart pygmies but now with retarded direct damage and explosions>same vomiting flies, except poison instead of fire
Good news everyone, i beat the judge, I wonder how bad the runback was before for everyone to complain, it was pretty easy really.Bad news, the underworks is hard to me, I think i only have it in me to play for 2 hours a day because its so taxing on me, any more and il start getting sloppy
I wonder what Ghost was doing before it traveled back to Hallownest
>>539031737tried m=kb, im so accustomed to controller now that it was bad to me
>witch crest>solid moveset>absolutely DOG SHIT healinghaha
>>539033427I played m+kb all the to the Hollow Knight in the first game, and switching to a controller was like seeing the light
>>539033281I'm pretty sure the only thing they changed about the Last Judge runback was making the sandworms deal only one damage. Personally I think it was an unnecessary change, and would prefer if there was a way to set it back to the original in the options.
someone said there's a 3rd raging beastfly fight, never found it
>>539033758Just get hit again by the worms bro.Hell, get hit a third time so you can have your "hard mode" bro.
Does putting out the spike trap thing before a boss fight do damage to them if they're standing in it while they roar at the start of a fight?
>>539033758They removed a conefly spawn too, which I think you could skip anyway if you went a particular route
>>539030537Most bugs LOOK they have masks, but for a good number of them that's just how their face looks. Some bugs lack proper sapience and a sense of self, so they don masks in order to give themselves a sense of self. I don't think we actually have any reason to think that Hornet is wearing a mask, and I'm pretty sure that's just how her face looks.
>>539033915Why are you like this?>>539033971Interesting. I just got in the habit of sprinting past them before they got a chance to pop out and block the way. If you optimized your path properly you could basically run right by them.
>>539034081i'm pretty sure there was a dialog from the maskmaker about her using a mask
>Only one last boss and the torture is overI will do it tomorrow. Did too many bosses today, I need some rest.>>539034353Because I can. But seriously environmental damage being nerfed is not important, once you lean the areas you never get hit by those. The only place where it matters is bilewater.
>>539034353The best run had you not fight any enemies and just dodge around them The problem was if you messed up a jump then you were dropped right down back into them, and they'd take chunks out of you
I just now got to bilewater for the first time and via vault. I see one of Shakra's rings. Do I need double jump to get the map for this place?
>>539034925yes
>>539034595>>539034679>But seriously environmental damage being nerfed is not important, once you lean the areas you never get hit by those.That's not really the point imo. I believe that by making environmental damage more meaningful it more heavily encourages you to treat it with respect and properly learn your way around it, rather than face tanking the occasional mistake. It puts you in a place where you'd rather risk taking one damage from an enemy if it meant you'd avoid dropping into the worms, similar to Bilewater.I'm just saying that they shouldn't have changed the default damage, and should have just added a "Reduce Environmental Damage" option in the settings for people that did want it changed.
>>539035002I see. Where do I get it from, and will this mean I can float any more if I get it?
>>539035227You can still float.You will get it once you reach the highest area in the game. You will need clawline first.Bilewater is one of the hardest area if not the hardest though.
>>539034417I don't really think that makes sense either considering we get to see this >>539017387 as well as the fact that Ghost, the Hollow Knight, and the other Vessels all have incredibly similar faces to Hornet, and there's no way they all were given fake masks right after they were born. I find it more likely that he was implying that the Weavers all wore masks, and that Hornet is aware of it.
how mad will you be if this is the canon ending for Hollow Knight 3
>>539031793after you find the third slab key, you unlock quite a big area, which has 2 or 3 hidden roof passage where you need to have the double jump
>>539033758you can run the barbed bracelets if you want, you'll sadly do too much damage, but that's the price I guess
>>539035815Why are you like this?
>>539035409>Bilewater is one of the hardest area if not the hardest though.Really? I've been liking it so far. Cogworks Core has been my hardest. Rather do Bilewater atm then finish finding the other 2/3 citadel songs. Guess I probably just didn't get deep enough yet.How do the buttons work when having float and double jump?
>>539035942>I would prefer to get hit for double damageWhy are you like this?
>>539035990You jump, then double jump, then float. Part of me thought there wouldn't be a double jump at all since it would have felt weird to have a hover and a double jump, but they managed to make it work.
>>539035990You only experienced the "easy" part.After last patch, you can only float after double jump. There was a tech before the patch where by doing down + jump will make you float instead of double but that has been removed.
>>539036091I tried my best to explain here >>539035095I'm more referring to why you feel the need to be passive aggressive about this instead of talking like a normal person.
>>539036157This is what I was worried about. I jump+float a lot when doing tricky platforming to make things easier. I assume I can't turn it off, so I'll put off getting double jump for as long as I can I guess.
>>539035642Slightly, I'm more happy that EtV is cannon.
Complaining about Groal runback = your complaints are validComplaining about Last Judge runback = you are dumb and retarded
>>539036262I see. Idk what version has the update, but I'll test it out when I eventually do get double jump. Thanks you two.
>>539036316the option is objectively bad, and the environment already has a massive punishment, which is the blackout faderegarding the option, it means you can't decide on what your game should be, is clunky, and is way too specific for both a normal user to care and a challenge-seeking user to bother withand although it's hard to do with just text, there's a difference between being passive aggressive and writing a joke
To the anon who said the gourmand courier is easier if you go through the exhaust organ: you were so fucking right. Did it literally first try the moment Phantom was dead and I had access. Didnt equip the speed charm or pre-clear the area or anything. It was just that smooth.
Lesbian Moss MothersGay dancing Mantis tribeBisexual HornetTransgender thick muscle mommy enemiesThis game is perfect!
>>539022640I beat him without the maggot juice I think the problem with him is the mile long walk you need to get to him from the bench. That they give you the second bench they destroyed is bullshit.
>>539036918Really? I find that it was pretty chill doing the right path once you killed the few enemies that block the path.
>>539032971Same I had to look it up because the game wasn't very specific.
Why do people call Shakra trans?I've seen it more than once so I know it's not just some guy.
>>539037238Trannies are not “people”
>>539037129I guess they assume that most people are needolining everything they see, so it would be natural. However, nobody is needolining anything because it takes forever to trigger and leaves you vulnerable, and costs silk on top of it.
I wonder what made TC think, yup lets have 8 hardcore platformer gamers be our play testers, thats an accurate representation of a demographic that will play our game
>>539036645Bilewater was definitely more of a chore, but the only parts of Silksong that I had a genuine problem with was the fuckin Courier Meat quest. I could also bring up how it felt kind of weird for certain enemies to deal two damage just by touching them, or dealing any sort of damage when they're stunned, but that Courier quest was the only thing that got me legitimately heated.>>539036918I found Exhaust Organ WAY after I did the meat quest that I never even considered this was an option. Neat.
>>539037514It's certainly not organic.
>>539037514the needolin is such a fucking downgrade to the dream nail. i never really used the dream nail too but it was nice for farming soul. the needolin doesn't even do anything even with the dream wielder equivalent equipped
>>539033024>awful mosquitos>swamp water>fucking pygmies shooting poison darts>unique to dark soulsHave you only ever consumed two pieces of media in your life? Both Silksong and Dark Souls are just playing to the tropes here.
Theres a second lifblood location in act 3
>>539037238>Women can't be strong or fight, so this strong woman that fights must actually be a manThese kinds of people are a parody of themselves.
>>539037910Why did they add penises to the game?
>>539037961This is especially strange considering that we are dealing with insect people, where we know that in insects, the females are sometimes bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than the males.
>>539037904Pray tell, what other games had this before?
another seth sighting
>>539038242You’re asking a lot of chuds.
>>539038585I don't think you know what that word means.
>wisp thicket>wisps allahu ackbar for 2 masks, they spawn ever 2 seconds, they follow you and have great tracking, you only get credit for destroying the spawner, they put one in the middle of a pogo sectionnew area, new shit mob, thanks team cherry
>>539038963Equip the fire bell, it makes the area way more bearable.
>>539038342Jungles, swamps, and bogs in real life are so horrid to traverse that the shitty swampwater zone became a trope in and of itself.
>>539038651Probably not, no.
Do I need to find 22 fleas before I kill Lace 2 to get the quest for act 3?
>>539039098you can do it after
>>539038963Wisp Thicket is honestly such a weird fucking zone. It feels out of place considering where its located, how it looks, and the places it connects to.
>>539020437>>539020623>>539023453If you preclear it doesn't really make a difference, but I prefer going up the elevator shaft and through Widow's boss room and runback at the start, because the only enemies you can't simply outrun the spawning animation for on that part of the route are a face flower you kill from behind and that one floaty boy right before the Shellwood stag station. And in Choral Chambers I usually go left through the tube station and through the spa because it also has fewer enemies (and I can run by Green Prince since I haven't progressed his quest past there).Most of my mistakes have come from running into walls rather than enemies or hazards, with the one exception being the pin-weilding pilgrim in Wasted Steps. But I do have double jump.
>>539039098you can kill lace whenever, i recommend doing it asap for the silk heartthe quest won't appear until you've done all prerequisites
>>539039098You only need to get them to move to their last stop before being able to activate act 3. Fleas can still be found beyond act 2 as well, nothing is really missable in this. Besides duels against Shakra and Garmond, which add a new log entry that increases your total.
>>539039058So you have no answer
>Lace theme is purely string instruments because she's made entirely out of silk
>Lace theme is purely string instruments because she makes me shoot fucking ropes
>>539038963They have great tracking when they attack, but not when chasing you, and they fizzle out after a few seconds. Hit the lantern a few times and run. This works on the one in the platforming section too.
Anybody else feel like Hollow Knight > Silksong?Silksong is bigger and harder but I liked Hollow Knight more
>>539038342I don’t have any games, but “swampy diseased jungle with blowdart natives” is a pretty well-established trope.
>>539000967I'm almost there.
>>539040085HK was infinitely better designed as a whole. The only good thing about silksong is a few mobility upgrades. Clawline > crystal heart in particular.
>>539038342Real life.
>>539040085I did HK for the first time 3 weeks ago (did everything except pantheon 5).I've just finished Silksong and while my appreciation oscillated between 2/10 and 10/10 during the course of the game, I can say that for me Silksong is superior in almost every aspect. My only complain is the horrible flying enemies AI that makes the early game a pain in the ass till you get enough tools/silk art/movement abilities to deal with them.The exploration, the challenge, the build variety etc there is so much things in this game.
>>539032514>trailer music swelling as you climbGOTY EASILY
>>539040085Silksong is still incredibly enjoyable, and an absolute steal for $20, but Hollow Knight definitely feels like the better of the two imo. Then again it might just be nostalgia speaking.
>>539040085 I prefer Silksong, but I feel like they both have distinctive feels from each other and compliment each other.
>>539041336thin hornet > thick hornetI like both
>>539040085yeah me too. hollow knight has fewer mechanics but simple is best.
Is the Mount Fay delivery worth it/necessary?
>>539041580Ironically i think HK's combat mechanics were far more refined>3 charge attacks accessible at all times>3 powerful as fuck spells all with their place in combat>charm combos are actually fun>no resource grind is necessary to use any of these
>>539041749Yes.
>>539038342Donkey Kong CountryDonkey Kong Country 2Diablo 2, and 3, and 4World of WarcraftPretty much every Legend of Zelda gameMetroid Prime 2Fallout 3Banjo-Kazooie
>>539040085I think Tools add too much to Hornet's kit
>>539040085Silksong is bigger and definitely has more content but Im enjoying that content a lot less because they went way harder with the bullshit ragebait this time around. I'm raging and baited and that's reflected in my review.
>>539041894Resident Evil Spyro
Hornet nlooking at her map in bed. CUTE!Which Psalm Cylinder do you have playing? Mine's the theme of salvation.
This is Elden Ring all over again.The game seems harder that it actually is, but once the knowledge will be spread, it will be much easier.It's still a hard game though, don't get me wrong.
>>539040085They feel too different for me to really compare the two. Which is probably bizarre to say, I know, but still. It’s like Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne.
all right, where the fuck is the grappling hook or whatever it is called? bro said it was on the right of whispering chambers but i just got one of the story quest melodies and haven't found anything.
>>539042460the underworks
>>539042460it's in underworks, i believe you can only get there through whiteward
>>539042460it's in the right side of underworks
>>539042413the difficulty is mostly because the game allows you to explore harder areas you absolutely don't need to right now and won't give you anything meaningful to help eitherthe fly boss everyone suffered on, it gives you the worst crest and that's it, there's nothing in that area, rushing to widow/judge is the best thing you could do, unfortunately this is a metroidvania so you'd think you aren't supposed to rush act 2
>>539042460I think it’s in Underworks via Vaults. You can also get there via Whiteward.
>>539042639>>539042680>>539042704>>539042779appreciate it.
What area am I missing? I'm in Act 3
>>539043072either the abyss map or verdania area I would guess?
>no tools>no charms>no silkJesus Christ. This cursed ending really is cursed.
i don't remember being this bad at backtracking, i am even using the markers for later but i keep forgetting the different stuff that i need aside from double jump and white key and simple key.
Which crest are you guys using?
I didn't noticed that fleas are captured Moorwing and take your bench.
>>539043734Reaper, i love the greater attack range.
>>539043734I did reaper early game and then only hunter after I got its first upgrade.Did not experiment the others. Unlocked witch and shaman way too late.I think Wanderer (crit) and architect (tool spam) are the best, but I just like hunter, it feels so smooth in battle and the charged attack is really good with the pin badge.Reaper sucks in late game.
>>539043194I already got the Abyss map, and explored Verdania but could find no map.
>>539044170Verdania map is in the present, not the memory. Go right of the Green Prince.
>>539044170Hidden room at the far right in the normal world.
>>539041749save scumsave at benches then PC>Disc>Users>(You)>AppData>Locallow>Team Cherry>Hollow Knight Silksong> default copy all 3 user data
>the SlabDo they really expect me to play one handed?
>>539043734Reaper. I’d be using architect more, but the down attack is horrible, especially for platforming. Same for Witch, but the burst-heal feels just incompatible with some encounters.
>>539044120I forgot a pic>>539043734I beat half of the game with a reaper it's amazing in rooms with waves of enemies (huge silk gain), hard jumping sections (cause pogo is very wide, it's hard to miss a target), some long boss fight, it allows more silk magic usage and more reliable pogo. When I am stuck, I grab hunter, and play very carefully so I focus on dodging to learn a pattern and gather bonus damage.Then I can grab wanderer/beast and just yolo And if everything failed I grab architect and just shit out poison tools. On top of that, Architect has the best charged attack in a game. As you don't need so much silk (charged don't give silk) it's perfect, but imho too op.
>>539044707>(charged don't give silk)I really hate this. Just discourages me from using charge attacks.
I have done both, what am I missing?Do I have to beat Lace 2? I haven't used the elevator but I know it's a bossfight with Lace.
>>539040085They're different. I like them both as 10/10. Silksong is WAY more nonlinear, and for how big the map is with the citadel lacking stag stations, it just feels like a drag and difficult to backtrack to collect all the masks. The nonlinearity makes it feel like it's too easy to miss things.
>>539045364you might need to talk more than once to go through his dialogue
>>539045514he repeats the same line over and over, about how "it's a sorry settlement this is" or someshit
>>539044915When I fought silk zombies in the hospital I used charged attack only, because there is no time to make a few simple attacks. But you have to have full silk thread for the heal/craft
>>539045509to be fair you have the tube elevator which is even faster than the bell beast travel
I'd like to know the logic behind Silk Skills not being usable while sprinting, nor can they be buffered.If you attack and press Dash before the attack finishes, the dash still comes out once the attack ends. You can't do that with Skills, and my muscle memory is making me think you could do that with spells in HK.
>>539045364Pretty sure you have to beat Lace 2.
>>539045364You have to get the first ending.
what's this for
>>539047380You eventually get some item that lets you look at descriptions for materials and key items, like a Hunter's Journal for inanimate objects.This is how you get the entry for Flintstone.
>>539047702huh
>>539047759Is that a "huh" like "neat" or a "huh" like "what" because I can take a screenshot if you want
>>539047017>and my muscle memory is making me think you could do that with spells in HK.You can with Shade Soul at least, I just tried itThe Knight's spells come out a lot faster than Hornet's Spear/Cloud though, I'm always expecting them to be faster than they are and then get clobbered by a flying enemy
>>539047898former
>>539047702WHATas if quests weren't enough
Will I come back here later? I love discovering these kind of places when I'm not sure if I should even be here yet.
How do I enter the verdant area and the wisp area?
>>539048404wisp, you need double jump and going on top of the left tower on greymoorverdania, you need to rescue Green Prince from the cage, talk to him next to the hotspring and to the left of the dancers, and then you need get to act 3
what is this facial expression supposed to convey?
>>539047962Even with the longer windup, I'll press the button in the heat of battle and Hornet just stands there. I favor the Sharpdart for being an invulnerable dash, wanted to possibly use it as a slower shade cloak. I have to make the conscious choice to use Skills because of this, since my playstyle is fairly hit-and-run with a lot of sprinting, dashing, and jumping.>>539048142Fortunately neither the Materium nor the Hunter's Journal contribute to % count, and you'll have every quest done long before you get to 100% (if that's on your to-do list)
>>539040085Silksong for the mobility/qol, HK to fuck around. Remove Vietnamwater and Silksong is perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDTFUGXBGbA>0:53what a fucking masterpiece this game was, 6 years waiting and it lived up to the hype and beyond
>>539049059Erm, you can't say that. It's actually a 6.5/10 and Hollow Knight was better in every way.
>>539049134Hollow Knight definitely is better
>>539048605>what is this facial expression supposed to convey?does he know?
WHY DO I NEVER SEE ANYONE TALK ABOUT KARMELITA?Easily the hardest boss once her phase 2 starts. By phase 3 she becomes simultaneously the most aggressive and defensive boss in the whole game with only The First Sinner being more evasive. I know it's an end game boss, but sheesh.
>>539049726many people have talked about her here
>>539049726Many people have talked about her. But normalfags also haven't reached her, I assume. I love her.
>>539022640I get the runback and gauntlet right before him being difficult, but Groal himself is fucking easy. And that's not taking into account the many ways to either cheese or quick kill him. But I imagine that TC is going to nerf him or Bilewater in some way, given that they've already nerfed multiple other bosses.
>>539049726I 1 tried herWanderer gang
Just beat First Sinner. Probably one of the most fun fights I've done so far. I especially like the part where she only does one contact damage, which is fair enough because you basically have to sprint and dash at her to get hits in outside of her casting windows anyway.
Do you actually have to reach a certain completion % to reach act 3, or was that bullshit?
>Use rune rage>Run away from the attack out of view>Hear runes explode>Get closer>For some reason super delayed runes that supposedly exploded, are only now activating, and deal an extra hit to the targetAnyone else notice this one? It's kind of weird. Lets me kill those body piles in act 3 with one skill use sometimes.
SHE'S SOOOOOOOOO CUUUUUUUUUUUTE
>no Silk porn>no Nyleth porn>no Karmelita porn>no Second Sentinel pornWHAT IS THE INTERNET DOING
>>539048552you don't need to talk to him at the hotspring, as long as you meet him at the dancer arena he'll go to where verdania is
>>539049134this but unironically
>>539050873Bro I was just thinking she's absolutely the cutest WHAT is she yammering about
>>539050794No, you just have to find enough fleas and complete the required wishes. I got the the act 3 ending at like 71% completion on my first playthrough.
>>539050950are you saying there's Lace porn? WHERE
>>539050873Her speech pattern is so charming, I really love her.>>539049726Most shitters here are getting dumpstered in Bilewater, expect Karmelita complaints next week.
>>539041749No lmao it just gives you some money and dialogue
>>539049726She's easily the second hardest boss for me outside of the true final boss. But she's gotten a decent amount of discussion in here specifically. Most people outside of here have just barely reached Bilewater, so don't expect wide-spread discussion of her for some time.
I noticed a lot of bosses become much easier if you speed up the pace of your play. I know this sounds kinda obvious in hindsight but it might be why a lot of normies are having trouble with the game's difficulty. Playing too defensively has gotten me killed so many times.
>>539037531>yup lets have 8 hardcore platformer gamers be our play testersBro there's nothing in the game as difficult as path of pain.
>>539051914I just hate that 90% of all damage I take is touching a boss who isn't even attacking me.
>>539052020Not platforming wise.
>>539048716Vietnamwater was ass, but I still enjoyed it.
Is there a prize for this?
>>539000967Any boss in this game that's harder than the big 3 in HK?
how have more people beaten the sinner than finished map lady's questline???
>>539052368>He doesn't want to become grand champion of the fleas just for the sake of itWouldn't be me. Yes there's a prize.
>>539050950Picture the overlap of people who would have made it to Carmelita and those who can draw.Enough time has passed that we're just entering that category. Give it a few more days.
>>539052421Like half of them.Absolute Radiance is a joke now.
>>539052479Well I'm getting kinda sick of this game's shit and don't like minigames like this even on a good day. What is it?
>>539052368You need to enter flow state to win the juggle
>>539052617It's the last nail upgrade.Get to flea'in nigger.
>>539052617>Well I'm getting kinda sick of this game's shit and don't like minigames like this even on a good day.Really? I thought the flea games were really fun. It's a pinata filled with rosaries, as well as the final Pale Oil. You'd have to be crazy to skip it.
>>539052728>>539052742i hate this fucking game
>>539052421True final boss took me more attempts than NKG and Pure Vessel, but that's it.
>>539052803the words of someone who is seething
Friendly reminder that Pale King did nothing wrong.
>>539052803The Festival of the Flea is charming as fuck, where is your sense of whimsy?
>>539037531>thats an accurate representation of a demographic that will play our gameBut that is accurate, TC never cared about normies and was forced to nerf the difficulty.
>>539051206boggles my mind they put this guy all the way out there and he's nothing but a lore dump
>>539052421One of the act 3 heart bosses absolutely mogs every single boss in Hollow Knight. Most of Absolute Radiance's difficulty comes from the stress of clearing Pantheon 5 so I dont really know how to compare anything to that, though.
>>539052914This. I loved how during the merriment you'll sometimes hear Silk screaming and shaking the whole world, yet the fleas just keep doing their thing. It's a really neat vibe.
>>539053147Especially combined with their complete lack of hope, like they've all given up yet they want to have a wonderful time together with you. Its this wondrous carnival at the end of the world and they just want you to enjoy yourself.
>Architect crest: set>Pollip Pouch: equipped>Coglfies: summonedYep, it’s gaming time.
>think Rune Rage is going to suck ass>its actually incredibly destructive and great for the arena gauntlets with tons of enemiesI apologize, I shouldn't have doubted First Sinner...
>>539052896Very astute of you, retard.>>539052914Yeah it's really cute, I like the fakeout, I like the vibes. And it's full of the sort of gameplay I hate, that just so happens to be mandatory if you want a fully upgraded nail. Because fuck, man, we can't have our "fun" little minigames be just for """fun,""" they've gotta actually fucking matter. All coming at the exact point where I've gotten fed up with the game's shit.
>>539053405Your loss dude, if you really dont want to do it nobody is holding a gun to your head.
>>539053405I honestly think you kinda ruined the experience by having people tell you. I just did the flea games because I love the little fuckers, and thought the games were fun. Beating the shit out the pinata and seeing the literal Pale Oil was just icing on the cake instead of feeling like a slog.
>>539053405>All coming at the exact point where I've gotten fed up with the game's shit.take a break before you end up like all the losers crying about the game's easiest runback >>539053641fuckin' same, the pale oil dropping out was hype
>>539053405A tip for is to only jump attack the special ones and stay rooted for the other attacks.
>>539053815A tip for the juggling part.
>>539045602>>539045364I had to beat Lace. I'm not sure it isn't glitched because he gave me the Silk and Soul dialogue, and then immediately afterwards launched into a dialogue about the Lace fight. Makes me think that the first dialogue is meant to trigger immediately after getting all 3 melodies, but for some reason doesn't.
>>539052435Most people after beating Groal immediately go back to the Slab to use the key. I don't know the exact requirements to get Shakra's wish, but I ended up getting the quest for it towards the end of act 2, long after I had already beaten the First Sinner.
Can you use citadel's pneumatic lifts for the courier quests, or do you need to go on foot the whole way
i really need a story explained video because i have no idea whats going on here. why were we being transported to this kingdom? do the weavers control everyone like puppets with their threads? were we brought her to stop them? idk i have too many questions, more than i feel like typing
>>539054032You need to go the whole way on foot. It's not that hard once you are in the citadel.
>>539053518Oh you do not fucking say.>>539053641Oh no, I ruined the experience of doing dodge/bounce/juggle endurance minigames, a format of gaming I already fucking despise. How foolish of me. >>539053771>buh buh buh losers crying about easy runbacksAnd then there's these fucking 'git gud' retards. The break is good advice.
Only thing saving Putrified Ducts from being a worse area than Bilewater is it being a relatively small area that you only have to visit like twice. Those burst spit flies are the most annoying enemies in the game by far.
>>539052069The key to almost every fight in this game is to just not move as much. Lace 2 is a great example. Stand there like a tank, let her dance around you, only move the barest amount to be out of range of her shit, and slap her ass in retaliation. Easiest shit ever. Sentinel 2 is like that, Phantom is like that, a lot of bosses are like that.
>>539054039I feel like stuff like memoria isn't explained but the reason why you are transported there is. As well as who's controlling everyone with silk.
I've finished the game with 100%. It's a solid 8.7 with annoying shit like the runbacks. I wasn't even annoyed by how you are forced to grind rosaries, what got me pissed is that you barely get enough shards for tools since more than half of the resources you find will fall offscreen or into spikes. The true ending boss is kino, but I feel that Radiance and the events leading to her in HK were much better and had a better payoff. The ending is definitely the rushed part of Silksong.My favorite bosses were trobbio and karmelita, but this last one got me pissed with the contact damage bullshit.
How do I fight these stupid fucking ninja frogs in Bilewater who play keepaway while chucking explosive spears at the exact angle needed to cuck my approach?
>>539054218I'm not one to dismiss people's criticism or complaints with "git gud" because I got sick of hearing it myself whenever I tried to say anything non-positive about Elden Ring, but I can make an exception for you if you really think there's anything difficult about Last Judge's runback (the one I was specifically referring to).
>>539054218This post makes me feel like you're one of those people that's trying to force themselves to do something they just don't really enjoy. I enjoy challenging platformers and toying with game mechanics, so I enjoyed optimizing runbacks and the flea games, but if that kind of stuff isn't something you like I have trouble understanding why you're even doing this to begin with.A game shouldn't ever feel like a chore, and if it does then it might just not be for you.
>>539050792It's fun but if you've already learned how to fight like that (and it seems to be the intended way to use Hunter crest) it feels kind of easy for a character who is essentially spider Lucifer.
>>539054307>I wasn't even annoyed by how you are forced to grind rosariesI still don't understand how this was a problem for anyone. I lost very few rosaries to dying twice without recovering them and I almost never had a problem buying anything when I needed it. The only bench and bellbug stop I couldn't afford when I found them was in Putrefied Ducts, and it was one of the last two I ever needed.I didn't even explicitly grind them, just normal play exploring around kept me wealthy enough.
>>539054867NTA but I can kind of get it. This game has a habit of throwing absolute cringe garbage at you in very mandatory spots. Tomorrow I'm probably going to spend multiple hour slogging through the shithole that is Bilewater's boss because I want the true ending, even though from my experiences earlier tonight I can say it is completely worthless content and should be redesigned from the ground up. That's been my feeling for a lot of the game, wild oscillations between a 9/10 and a 4/10 score due to it throwing mega unfun bullshit randomly in spots you need to go. Right now my overall feeling about the game is an average of the two, about a 7/10. Fun game when it gets its head out of it's own ass and lets itself be fun.
>>539055282>Fun game when it gets its head out of it's own ass and lets itself be fun.I feel like this is going to end up being the general consensus in a month or two once the dust has settled and the majority of people have had a chance to reach Act 3.
>>539054652Last Judge is a bad runback. It's not difficult, per se, but it's long enough and involved enough to be a pain in the ass to do every time you fight Last Judge. >git gud!Gitting gud means being able to recognize when something is difficult, harder than it should be, poorly designed, or whatever, even though you yourself didn't have a hard time with it. >>539054867To be fair...to myself, I guess, I've been really enjoying the game until act 3. With reservations, mind you, but it's still been a great time. And now...I don't know, man, it feels like those reservations have boiled over. I haven't even done much in act 3 yet, just The Abyss, Lost Verdania, and some traversal around the not-actually-that-different world, but them's the breaks. I feel this game cares too much about being hard. When it works, it works, and it usually does, but when it doesn't, holy fuck does it not.
ok im tired ive explored everything on the map, finished every quest available to me, finished every delivery, and bought every item. where. the fuck. is the quest. to start the third act. and where do you get the flea locator
>>539000967You think it has a chance of winning GOTY?
The Last Judge runback seems OK after you've already done Act 2 but for people who are still working through Act 1, it's by far the longest and hardest runback thus far.
>>539056067Songclave. Gotta go up the final elevator first, probably get one of the regular endings. Flea locator is in Putrified Ducts. Hidden room above that room at the top of the long room leading to Fleatopia. Get grabbed by the first barnacle.
>>539055719Act 3 really salted me. I didn't mind that every enemy could potentially have buffed health as much as getting hit by void-infected foes burns you for two silk. That got real old real fast until I had some offensive upgrades.>>539056067>spoilerPutrefied Ducts, there's an NPC named Vog. Exhaust their dialogue then meet them again at the Flea Caravan. Bring rosaries.
>>539056295>Get grabbed by the first barnacle.Is that how you're meant to do it? I chain clawmark'd off the mosquitos until I got through the hole in the roof.
>>539056295i already beat granny, and came back to go and do everything else in songclave. what do i need to do to activate the quest for the curse?
>>539055282>Fun game when it gets its head out of it's own ass and lets itself be fun.I guess I can't really hold that against you.>>539055719>Last Judge is a bad runback.I thought it was fun trying to path a good route for it.Honestly the only part of the game I didn't enjoy was the Courier quest for the Gourmand. That admittedly fucking sucked, and I was surprised that wasn't one of the things they nerfed.
>>539056247Its either this or Expedition 33. I know 4chan is seething about how unfair the game is but most people are still genuinely positive about the game. It is very funny to me how /v/ scorns game journalists for being bad at the game yet they gave it top marks while gamers here are shitting blood.
>>539055282My sentiments exactly. >>539056307The void enemies just feel really lazy. Like, oh boy, they have a bunch more health and hit for 2 damage, because not enough stuff did already, and they have one or two of the same four abyss moves that might kinda sorta compliment their normal moveset, but probably not. Like, it's a cool idea, the Void taking over everything and lashing out from it, but in practice? Meh. Wish I liked it.I haven't explored much, but are there ANY actually new enemies besides the masses of bodies? >>539056382IIRC, there's no mosquitos in the room I'm talking about.
>>539056621There are tons of new enemies in Act 3, yes
>>539056549You can essentially practice the gourmand courier quest by doing the Songclave delivery, it's like 2/3 to 3/4 the same path without the timer.
>>539056663I mean around the world, in act 1 and 2 areas.>>539056549>the Courier quest for the Gourmand.That was absolutely fucking miserable. Speedrunning is another of the gameplay formats I hate. Or rather, it WAS fucking miserable until I gave up, kept playing, got the double jump, realized you needed the double jump to complete that quest anyway, and then went back and did it much easier. But I still hated it. It's funny. The previous oil was gated behind some speedrunning bullshit, now this last one is behind endurance minigame bullshit.
>enjoyed Bilewater's oppressive atmosphere>first tried the bossI really dont belong here with you miserable shitters
>>539056953Did you open up the exhaust organ because it's easier to go through bile water than through blasted steps.
>>539057003do you get hard from lying on the internet
>>539057105Why would I lie, plenty of bosses shit on me. But unlike a lot of you guys I dont tardrage when I lose. Too many immature, emotionally weak people here I suppose.
>>539057003>enjoyed Bilewater's oppressive atmosphereSame. The music helps.>first tried the bossSorta same, first tried the boss, but it was the second run through the gauntlet. It's still a bad runback. >>539057008At the time, no. >it's easier to go through bile water than through blasted steps.I've heard that. I've also heard other anons saying that's fucking insane. Maybe I'll try on a second playthrough, if that ever happens.
>>539057003>enjoyed Bilewater's oppressive atmosphereAgreed. Took me a good number of attempts to figure out the runback and kill him though. Wasn't really keeping count.
>>539057209this thread without people raging at bosses would be the same billion wiki questions over and overit still is, but at least there's people raging to break the streak
>>539056247I don't actually know anyone irl who played E33 to completion but every single one of my friends including the non-gamers have bought silksong.
holy shit fuck this rasher shit
>>539057331>this thread without people raging at bosses would be the same billion wiki questions over and overEh, fair enough. I'm just waiting for the comfy story/lore discussion and artwork.
>>539056247It's 100% being nominated for the GOTY category and multiple other categories, that is out of the question. But I have doubts of it actually winning GOTY, Expedition 33 is way too shilled, and makes far more accommodations towards lower skilled players than Silksong does.
>>539057352Go through Exhaust Organ. Kill the two poker fly faggots in Sinners Rise first. Then you should be clear.
Do you prefer Hollow Knight or Silksong?
>>539057339I liked E33, but I dropped it at the start of act 3 simply because of the story, they ruined it so fking bad, also unreal is so fucking dogshit
>>539057494They both have their strengths but I prefer vanilla Silksong over vanilla Hollow Knight, the combat and bosses are too fun. I guess we'll see how the DLC elevates it.
>>539057492they dont respawn at all? thats the way im going and they keep fucking my ass
>>539057494Hollow Knight is certainly a more consistently fun and less frustrating experience. Silksong has higher highs but way lower lows.
>>539057494Honestly? HK. I just really focus hard on story/world and I love HK's story so much more than silksong's.
how do I get inside this mystery room?
>>539057580No, they do, but you have to rest at a bench first. So don't. Walk through the route killing everything that's a problem in advance, then walk back and do it for real. No resting.
>>539057269The part you go through bilewater to get to the organ is incredibly easy. Very different from the way you deal with the rest of that awful area.
>>539057691i was under the impression shit respawns when you leave/return to an room
>>539057772I think anything with rosaries needs a bench to respawn. Feral bugs only need a screen change.
>>539057772Certain things respawn when you leave the room, others respawn when you rest.
>>539057494Honestly hard to tell. But I enjoyed my first Silksong playthrough more than I did my first HK playthrough. HK was always a good game, but people forgot just how much the DLCs improved the game, and I imagine it will be the same for the Silksong DLCs.
I don't like how Lace 2's attacks override yours so what is normally a parry instead deals damage. It only seems to happen some of the time. But it breaks what I think is the intended flow of combat and it results in you feeling very stilted and passive.
>>539057853cheers brother, clearing out some of the choir fucks should help
>>539057339I wager donkey kong just because I don't know nintendo didn't win in a while or something and the advertisements show is too corporate to give the prize to some turbo indie like silksong, not even indie as in not funded by the major publishers like it seems to be the definition nowadays, REALLY indie
>>539057948I'm really worried about Silksong's DLCs. HK's were mostly about making the game harder, faster. Grimm puts every vanilla boss to shame, then Nightmare Grimm is even worse, then Godhome makes the rest of the game look like the tutorial. Okay, but Silksong is already really hard. It's got normal bosses way harder than most Godhome fights. How much worse can it get?
>>539058365>How much worse can it get?Ever seen videos of those modded bosses in HK?
>>539058365Most of Hollow Knight's launch bosses kinda sucked so it might just be a quality thing rather than a straight difficulty thing.
>>539058442Christ. Imagine paying for that.
>>539058498>paying>for Hollow Knight dlcDid you just roll in from stupid town?
>>539058491I wish I could believe that, but I don't. Silksong wears it's difficulty on it's sleeve, for better and for worse.>>539058581Are they free? It's been nearly a decade, I forget.
>>539058729Every single Hollow Knight update was free, yes
>went back and got the Leave Zote to Die achievement>Hornet has better down pogos than you get in Silksong
How come Silk is so possessive over Lace but she is actively neglectful of Phantom and Widow? They're her children too.
whats your favourite crest? i really like the architect attack but i dont really like the tool focus of it and the pogo with it is impossible for traversingi really like the wanderer fast attacks
>>539057853Actually, the little craws can respawn on room re-entry in certain areas and they drop rosaries (admittedly, they drop very few of them)
>>539058951isnt widow a weaver that got her orb mask ripped off?
>>539059235Architect for combat, Hunter for traversal. The drill charge attack is sooo good.I feel like Shaman would be really fucking fun but you get it so late in the game.
>>539058951Presumably after Silk broke free she took her revenge on them for betraying her and never forgave them
>>539058491A lot of silksong bosses still feel like hollow knight bosses. For example, Broodmother is basically just Ascended Gruzmother with 2 extra attacks and the minions explode.
>>539059274Yes but the Weaver firstborn were all created by Silk and she considers them her children. So even if Widow isn't a firstborn she is one of Silk's creations. But before her boss fight she does call her "Mother">>539059349Ah that makes sense.
>>539058951I'm pretty sure Phantom was a failed prototype, and I don't exactly know what was wrong with Widow.>>539059274Could be that her mask being removed caused her to revert into a more primitive form and basically regressed into mindless servitude>>539059349This would also make sense.
>>539059319maybe a ng+ will come and you can use it from the start
>>539059509I am praying that is the case. Picking a different starting crest would do wonders for replay value.
i was told this to be this game's Path of Painand yet, this was easier than Cogwork Core
>>539059590>>539059509https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/167
>>539059456>>539059508I wonder what happened to the Hallownest Weavers that left to return to Pharloom after the Infection started>Weaversong>Silken charm containing a song of farewell, left by the Weavers who departed Hallownest for their old home.They... might be how Silk learned about Hornet's existence if they were captured upon returning
>>539059669>pick Architect>softlocked at the start because you cant use Silk Spear to free Bell BeastSeems bad chief
>>539059694I don't think they made it back. If they did then there would have been no reason for Silk to fetch Hornet, or any of the other Weaver descendants alluded to in the Cradle.
>>539059235i was a Wanderer cuck for most of the game, but i really enjoy Shaman, Reaper and Hunterreally cant wait for DLCs to use Shaman nonstop
>>539059694Yeah I think you're absolutely right about their capture leading Silk to Hornet. I kinda wish the game went a bit more into that because it would be especially tragic, but its a safe assumption. I sort of expected a record of them to be in that Cradle room with the other Weaver colony status updates. Who knows what the DLC may add though? They could always flesh out the world more.
>>539059918>If they did then there would have been no reason for Silk to fetch Hornet,She's an especially rare Weaver and Widow specifically mentions her being born of "Weaver and Wyrm". Silk might have wanted her in particular because of her semi divine status. Especially since her long life serves as a perfect contrast to Lace's flawed existence requiring silk to sustain.
>>539059694Perhaps that's the origin of Widow. Any Weavers that dared to return after "betraying" Silk were broken, bound, and shackled so they'd never be able to leave again.
>>539059694Personally, I don't think they ever went back home except for a few of them.
How long are bug lifespans anyway?You have some like Ogrim and the Nailmasters who seem to be fine despite a long ass time passing from the fall of Hallownest. Though they could have gotten blessings from the Pale King or something.Hornet mentions having multiple mates, who she outlived by age.Some of the bugs in City of Tears have been there for a long time, but you could probably chock that up to the Radiance extending their lifespan with the infection.The Knight returning is also said to have "awoken" Hallownest, so maybe there was a form of stasis set over it.
>>539061037I assume there are supernatural ways to extend their lifespans, either through soul or void or silk or pale being fuckery. But the average bug doesn't seem to have a crazy long life, or they wouldn't make a big deal about silk extending their lives.
>>539061037I think all we know for sure is that Hornet has an incredibly long life or even near immortality due to being a direct descendant of the Pale King. Regular bug lifespans might even vary wildly between different kinds of bug, so there might not even be a good way to get an average.
>>539059235Beast
>>539061584there's an npc in city of tears that's just a regular normal rich bug so either the fall of hallownest was very recent or the npc had a really really long lifespan for some reason
>>539061679God I wish the down slash wasnt such cancer for platforming.
>>539061729There's also Old/Last Stag
>>539061843It's honestly perfectly fine until you're in a situation where there's something directly below you that deals damage and you're completely surrounded by walls or spikes in a cramped space. Like breaking the crustnuts in Sands of Karak is not fun with it.
>>539061679I wish the range wasn't so small.
>>539062084That's the price we pay for sheer mediocrity
>>539061191>>539061584I also wonder how much time passed from the Hollow Knight being sealed by the Dreamers, and the Infection reappearing. How many years did they get before the Radiance was able to take advantage of HK's impurity as a vessel.
>>539062323I wonder who Hornet was mating with during that time, since she never left Hallownest and most bugs were zombified.
>>539062413Mantises, Weavers that stayed in Deepnest
>>539061037Arthropod lifespans vary wildly. Within the many arthropod clades, you will find animals with lifespans measured in days all the way to creatures that could theoretically live forever under the right conditions. It's hard to say how this might translate to the world of Hollow Knight, but suffice it to say that bug lifespan likely has a high degree of variance.
>>539061191If you play the sneedolin in Whiteward, a lot of the bugs who were killed there lived so long due to having silk sewn into them that they were forgetting who they were or how long they'd lived
>>539062631Given her love of fluffy things I wonder if she fucked a bee.
>>539062772God I love Whiteward, a short area but dripping with atmosphere.
>>539062772I wonder if that's because they were more silk than the bug they originally were
Feel free to spoil but I just "beat" the game but only have 2/3 Silk HeartsIs the third in Act 3 or did I miss something?I got my second after beating Lace 2 and playing the Needolin
Are there multiple endings? I'm still in the middle of act 2 and I think I've already missed some things/story triggersAlso is there anything important in the worm tunnels? Hate that place and did a sloppy job exploring it compared to other areas.
>>539063121You can get the last silk heart in Act 2It is hidden in Whiteward.
>>539062862>fuckedI know it might sound like cope, but I severely doubt Hornet had a very intimate past given how stoic and withdrawn she tends to be, as well as due to her not so great childhood and family problems. I find it far more likely that she was just searching for someone she could trust and confide in as an equal, only to find that everyone she ever met was doomed to wither away and die before her eyes.
>>539063131There are multiple endings, only one is missable and its not story triggers, its through a random quest. Look up the cursed ending if you want specifics/Worm Tunnel has a couple cool things A weavernest and a questline with a useful item.
>>539063131only the lifeblood phial tool
Just got a harpoon. What the actual fuck? Compared to Ori's grapple, this is a piece of shit. What sort of harpoon stupidly strikes straight instead of designated rings scattered on the level? They should have called it "Dash Piton" or something, would have been more honest name. Those rings are always upwards, not sideways, WTF.
>>539063427Harpoon rules though, just get used to using it.
>>539063457In HK Hornet used that move, it was a free-angle move.
>>539063275Alright that takes the edge off a bit, I'm assuming it's like HK where I can go back and find whatever I missed to trigger the other endings?>>539063290I'll swing around later then, feel like I need more damage to get through it quicker.
>>539063637Yeah as long as you do it before Act 3 you're fine. If you want slightly more specific instructions when you find yourself afflicted during a quest, try to beat the final boss before curing yourself.
>>539063743I'm fine with being spoiled here, can you reach the final boss without activating act 3?Been playing very blind so far
>>539063857Oh yes.
>>539063909Guess I'll look into that guide then once I hit the poison area. Maybe I'm earlier into act 2 than I thought. I only just finished the shell town and got my third fighting style.
>>539063857Going to act 3 works the same as going for Radiance fight in HK.
>>539062963Very Bloodborne vibes. Wish it was longer.
I like how the Needolin dialogue for the jailer flies is a bit sad, while the journal entries show nothing but contempt.
>>539065000There is something really amusing about a bunch of flies being bound by sin to watch a jail in a spider kingdom.
If Garmond is sitting in Songclave does that mean I missed his fight?
>finally beat the gauntlet in coral tower>khan the crust boss>hardest thing is him accidentally grazing you with his jumping aroundthat was anti climatic, i guess that's the point since the gauntlet is much harder.
Rate my control scheme.Btn4 and Btn5 are sideways mouse buttons, End is custom mouse button (near LMB).Still not sure about clawline/harpoon, might change later.
>>539066942His song and design are cool, I guess.
>>539067025You use your fucking mouse?
>>539065378He’s really weak you didn’t miss much.
I finished after 77 hours and 100%The game's difficulty needs to be revisited across the board, some bosses are insanely difficult while others are basically a joke. No game has innately destroyed my confidence in my gaming skills as this game did. Maybe I'm just too old to be good anymore. The story made me really happy though, especially the end. Can't wait till 2032 for their next game.
>>539068941Yes? There's 5 standard buttons + 4 additional buttons, more than enough for binding all needed buttons.The default HK scheme was getting kinda unusable starting from the mid-game, causing me to change it. So when I played Silksong, I changed it from the start.
I just want Act 3 to end already everything about it fucking sucks
A friend of mine is trying to map out the mist and this is what he has. He hasn’t figured out how to know which direction to go in yet. Do I tell him?
>>539071617Holy soul overload don't say a word
>>539071617That's some autistic dedication right there. If it was me, I'd want to know that this was a waste of time
>>539070383>Can't wait till 2032 for their next game.You should say "Can't wait for their next Silksong DLC". I expect several QoL DLCs, and at least one DLC on the level of The Grimm Troupe.I really, really hope there won't be Godmaster equivalent, tho.
>>539071617Screenshot- or Asset-based maps of The Mist rooms would be cool, actually.
>>539071796I don't know if I'll ever come back to the game again. I'm fairly sure I sped up my arthritis development this past week from playing.I would love there to be a post true ending epilogue though.
>expend 900 coins on a key>Open door>It's just a useless NPC that makes your soul return I want my money back. Actually I'm glad I pirated this shit game
>>539072054Just load previous save, anon.
How many floors is the Coral Tower?
Is there a Magma Bell equivalent for cold (Mount Fay)?I know that stabbing yourself with Flintslate tool would protect against the cold for a few seconds, but I'm out of Shards.
>>539072052>a post true ending epilogue though.Not being able to wander around Pharloom and talk to NPCs after saving the world honestly kind of annoyed me.
>>539072786There's not. Gotta go fast!
>>539000967I think I dropped my last flintgem in the spikes and now it's gone. How do I get it back?
>>539073078sit on a bench
>>539073141I just reentered the area and it was there :D
>>539073012Yeah, and we can finally use that one area to actually leave>>5390726724, but there is a shortcut that opens after the third, just drop the rock from the ceiling
I hear complains on a number of bosses, but I just now reached Trobbio, and I've not heard people talking about him. Is he not insanely hard? He's the first boss to make me want to use the RB button. He moves quickly, does 2 damage, and worse of all is movements feel so irregular and hard to track. I haven't even reached his phase 2 and I gave up on fighting him to go fight Savage Beast instead.How do you fight/beat this guy?
>>539074330He's one of the tougher ones for sure, but I don't think he even makes the top 5 for most difficult. I don't remember any particular strat, but at least for his tornado move it's best to just pogo on his head until they pass.
In act 3, you get a mission to kill 12 void masses that have appeared throughout the mapI know that there are more than enough for to finish the mission but I was wondering if there was some hidden reward/lore for clearing every single one?
>>539074330Only bosses I thought were particularly hard were Bladenigger Kamala and Lace 2: Void Boogaloo, and I wouldn't really call Trobbio insanely hard.
>>539073727Shit, that's it? I almost got it in one...>>539074330He's not insanely hard, but definitely hard. One of many enemies that really doesn't have any business dealing 2 damage. If I had any good advice I'd give it, but I don't. Just gotta learn his attacks and keep on eye on everything. Don't worry about phase 2; it introduces one new attack, but it's the easiest one to avoid by far and he can't chain it together with anything like the other three.
watcher at the edge took me an embarassingly large amount of attempts to beat>>539074330you can deflect his red balls, and when he pops them out of the arena's center they won't hit you as long as you're near the center. you must watch out for the tornado, it's his deadliest move.
after fighting trobbio in act 3, it makes me like beast crest so much. it lets me play so aggressively even through the 2 damage he does with everything. if only we have quick slash equivalent in silksong.>>539074330he is pretty difficult but for me it's mostly his balls.
Is there any benefit to doing the grey package deliveries? I did two and one came back, the last one I have left is Songclave and I'd rather not if it's just repeatable beads and nothing else.
>>539074330I think he took me two tries. He's pretty simple and easy to respond to, but I also first tried Phantom. As long as a boss isn't flying, spawning a ton of adds, or doing some ridiculous AoE spam, they're pretty easy in my opinion.
The balancing of this game is all over the fucking place. Dogshit magic competes with absolutely broken tools and insane clawline that completely shuts down any need in real spacing. Meanwhile, the vast majority of charge attacks are useless and needolin is grossly inferior to dream nail.
>go back to the Underworks in Act 3 to check up on Loam>he is crushed under the rubble with everything still running without him, as if he wasn't ever even needed>if you Needolin you hear "No more running" and "Finally free"JESUS FUCKING CHRIST TEAM CHERRY, WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO MY HEART
>>539071796>those steel enemies from the trailer didn't make it in>Cradle records mentioned Weavers taken from a "City of Steel"My schizobrain is already cooking up theories on what they could add. Maybe they actually reintroduce their cut "Silk Soul" new game mode, whatever that was. They said it was designed to be more replayable than Steel Soul but that's all they ever said about it.
>>539074751>>539074952>>539075012Ok, you guys are right; "insanely" hard was too much. He's probably only the second hardest I've reached so far. Still trying to decide if he or Last Judge was harder. Last Judge moves too fast, and Trobbio is slower, but too irregular and starts his next attack too soon.>Just gotta learn his attacks and keep on eye on everything.Yeah, I'ma keep brute forcing it.>>539075157>won't hit you as long as you're near the centerThey wont? I'll give this a shot next time.Tornado (when already on the floor) is one of the easier to dodge, so I think I'm ok there.>>539075567>He's pretty simple and easy to respond toYou were able to predict and/or dodge his attacks without much problem?
>>539075717>Dogshit magicShaman Crest is actually really good with the right tools equipped.
>>539076158None of his attacks are hard to dodge, it's just that he can use any of them from any position and chain them together. >>539076010Who?
>>539076302Treadmill horse
>>539076219What setup do you run with Shaman? Haven't really got around to messing with it yet
>>539075717I counted on thread storm throughout the game and it never once let me down.They absolutely missed an opportunity to attach some of Hornet's HK lines to them, though. The occasional "Higaleh!" on thread storming would be such kino.
I wish Cogwork Core was 3 times as big. I love this section. I love how it encourages zoning enemies into saws or them zoning you into saws, I love how it utilizes the grappling hook. I love the music. I love the creative skips you can do with pogos. I did the climb up 3 times in a row just because.
>>539076326Who?? What??
>>539076416Weaverlight lets you generate 4 passive silk which is a free spell cast, very comfyVolt Filament electrifies your spellsSpool Extender gives you more silk to cast withAlso the sword beams generating silk is super clutch, you can really play ranged quite well. Biggest problem with Shaman is adjusting to the grounded heal, but its not bad.>>539076541Hidden NPC in the underworks.
>>539076302Hm. This gives me an idea. Thanks.
>>539076469>those little beetles who just charge at you flailing>you can jump over them and tap them into the sawbladesGod this game is so FUN>>539076434At least we have Garama as the taunt, that's fun.
>>539076469I didn't realise you could pogo the grapple rings the first time throughI thought double jump was needed in the upper section and came back with it, basically ruining my playthrough
>>539071617insanely based behavior
>>539071617If you let him keep going he might shoot up a schoolIs there ANY ingame hint to the solution? I just got spoiled on it but I haven't found a single clue or NPC or anything that might point towards how to navigate the Mist. The only close thing is Lace conducting for the lumenflies.
>>539076608Yeah in the brief time I used it I loved the idea of the sword beams. I lack Volt Filament which I assume is in the last area I've left to find (1 map left to find on achievements list). I already kinda figured the theming of the zone because of the collected biomes in Memorium.
Does defeating a Void Mass stop niggafying the enemies in the are where the Void Mass is?
>>539076158>You were able to predict and/or dodge his attacks without much problem?Yes. The only thing that tripped me up and got me killed the first time was the tornado attack.I think I mainly used Reaper's dash attack since he has enough of an opening for them after almost all of his attacks, the extra reach of Reaper also likely helped a lot for that fight.
>>539076469it's definitely a bit odd how short it is given how easy it would have been to simply... make more of it? i don't know.
>>539076942Yes and no, they won't all be instantly voided the second you enter the screen anymore but they can still randomly get afflicted while fighting.
>spent an hour and a half fighting and refighting signis and his bro by choicei should probably be institutionalizedit's a really fun fight honestly
>>539074798Asking again on this, though I imagine nobody bothered with hunting these down after finishing the wish. Gonna try it and see myself after TI finishes
>>539077151Its so funny, I was walled by them for like 30 minutes and was seething because I didnt have the Craftmetal for the Magma Bell. But the moment the fight was won I was thinking back on it like "Damn, that was a pretty satisfying fight." Its simple but entertaining.
>>539076158If I remember correctly, Trobbio is in the area with the second needle oil so make sure you grab that and turn it in before fighting him. Use your memory lockets and get your Eva upgrades, etc.
I did it! Bloody tough fight, that silk attack can be almost impossible to avoid.
i keep forgetting i have the bellbeast warp song
Do you get anything for fighting Shakra, or is it just a thing you can do?
>>539079152Journal entry
>>539057331>same billion wiki questionsThere is no reliable wiki at this point, where do I ask about specific little unreachable rooms on the map etc
>>539076469Wyrm feelers typed this post.
how many old hearts are in the game? the site i'm reading says there's seven, but two of them seem like playground rumors, three are the ones you're intended to get, and the last two are the craw summons, and it doesn't count green prince's heart as one.
>>539077151>>539077269They both have only two attacks each, but they mesh together well enough that it just feels good.
>>539076434Silksong needs more shaw desu
>>539057331The wikis are incomplete. For example, you can find maps showing every Void Mass location but no wiki has info on if you get anything for killing all 45.Also, it's more fun to talk to other people about queries rather than the use the automated response form.
>>539077269That’s Silksong, baby.
this has to be on purpose
>have 2 things to make>haven't found a craftmetal in agesBuying all this useless crap from Architect was a mistake.
>got taken to the slapis it over should i just uninstall
>>539080924>Taken to the fat bastard rape dungeonYeah
>>539080836She's trying her best, anon... Don't be mean...
>>539081117I escaped and went home. bellhart my beloved...
>gave up on skull cavern earlier>came back with cogflies & double jump>now it's a complete joke
>>539079262Does it count as a completion%?
do the regular craws completely disappear after act 3? i haven't filled out their entry yet
what am I missing here?looked up all tools and the only one I dont have is the snare thing but I gave it to that guy to make the trapis there a way to get it back? I want my 100%
>>539080924I was worried too at first, and even tried to see if I can quit the game, but they block it when in the cage. It's cool though; I'd say it's part of the gameplay, and not so hard to get out.
>>539084981rest on a bench then come back
>>539085301(me)wait nvm i was thinking about the wrong tool
>>539085301where?I tried to do that in weavenest atla and there is nothing in the room I originally got it
>>539085516okthanks anyway
>>539085218seeing hornet undressed and fighting undressed is kino
>>539076434Thread Storm is literal shit though. It's 3.75 of your nail damage in total, assuming you hit enemy with every single tick of damage. It forces you to hover in place and has a huge commitment, inviting any 2 damage hurtbox to just collide with you.
>>539085836What's the best one?
>>539084662It's pretty easy as long as you have double jump and two needle upgrades
>>539085990Probably the parry, but it's still a huge waste of silk compared to just healing.
If I beat the last boss, can I go back and immediately re-fight her if I select the bad ending for the cheevo, or would I have to start a new playthrough to see act 3?
>>539086120>healingmaybe stop facetanking enemies and you won't need to waste soul on healing
>>539076608Weaverlight and Volt Filament is what I've been using with Shaman crest. But the problem is the spells themselves. I've tried various combination but eventually I've landed on Pale Nails and nothing else. I had some nice moments with Rune Rage against groups, but other than that Pale Nails is just so convenient and safe to use that it's hard to justify using silk on anything else.
>>539086120>>539086378witchbros simply heal and attack at the same time
does anyone have a list of act 2 exclusive content? i alread did the cursed end and the map bug fight
>>539087073Garmond
>>539086223I think I read you respawn at the last bench you sat at before fighting final boss.
is this bitch the daughter of groal?
>>539084981nvm found what I was missingit's in a secret room of the memorium at the far left of the ventrica
>>539087343far right* how did I mix up my directions....
>>539086917Yeah, until they miscalculate the timing or positioning and get hit during binging and lose the silk and not get healed and take full damage from the attack. Great stuff.
>>539087615Witchkings never make mistakes
>>539087343>>539087479highest damage potential in the whole game i think, though it's a bit unreliablehaving two different forms is cool too
>>539087715That means you don't get hit. And thus don't need healing.
>>539087715>Witchkings
What's the most efficient way to do the broodmom's skewer/burn/smash quest? This is a shitload of farming, both for the mobs and for the shards you need to keep killing mobs with tools with.
Hornet sometimes have "thorns" effect: on damage there's a chance that white things (silk? claws?) will damage the enemy in return. I don't remember ever receiving this upgrade/effect? What causes this?
>>539088270just find a place with a couple of low hp enemies that respawn when you re-enter the room, if you have a bunch of tool pouch upgrades you'll be able to do it with just 1-2 trips to the bench
>>539088270halfway home bench, go kill the 3 enemies on the right with tools, repeatfor seared use the flintslate, shredded the sawblade, and skewered sting shard
>>539087839then you just enjoy the nice witch whip moveset and pop a bind occasionally for damage and style
>>539088270I've just farmed the group outside of Grand Bellway. Which is also a place I've used to farm rosaries.
>>539088270>This is a shitload of farmingIt literally takes like 10 minutes. Do zoomers really?
>>539057646steel soul mode only, maybeyou can use the interactive map on the OP, it has the passages and requirements, like movement options and act requirements
>>539088270>>539088453architect charge attack also works for shreddedlongpin is very efficient for skewered at the halfway home spoti haven't tested everything but i assume wispfire lantern works for seared
do you unlock pins for collectibles at some point or are you just forced to use a map?
>>539089464You buy custom pins you can set
If I don't fight Shakra before leaving act 2, am I bricking my save at 99% completion?
>>539090081You don't need the fight Shakra to have 100% completion.
>Enter an interesting ominous new area>Go all the way down>It's just a lame obnoxious unstable platform lava area with completely different vibe from before>Die to lava
>>539090081no, her and garmond aren't required for a complete hunter's journal
Lace raped by the great Trobiooooooo.
Trobbio's mirrors only damage AFTER the bind? What a fucking dogshit tool
>still need to find more fleasAAAAAHHHHHHWho thought that doing this should be mandatory to unlock the last third of the game?
I got a question, what happens after you beat the act 2 final boss? I assume you get a cutscene, then credits roll, but can you continue playing and try for the cursed ending or act 3 or do you need to rollback a save?
>>539091529It's not mandatory for act 3. But gating the final weapon upgrade behind it still sucks.
>>539091697but it is, see this picrel >>539045364
>>539045364this is incorrect. merely moving them to lake isn't enough. I bought flea map and rescued a few more despite them already being by the lake and only then could I progress to act 3
>>539091843I think this is a mistake, I'm pretty sure I've got that wish before I've started flea hunting.
>>539091843This is not true. I also got the quest before even starting the final flea roundup or purchasing flea maps. I hadn't even gotten the pouch upgrade for 20 fleas.
>>539090335>spoileris that actually missable if he didn't help with moorwing? he's chilling at songclave now and i'm almost done with act 2
just got the sister of the void endingeven if he appeared for like a frame I'm happy the shade lord made an appearance wich means embrace the void is the cannon ending of hollow knight (good to know I didnt do the pantheon of hallownest for nothing)I also I completed the game wich means I'm done with silksong (at least until the DLCs)now I can get back to monster hunter
>>539092195no faggot you didn't
>>539092195but did they move to the lake before you got the quest?I assume the 25 fleas is wrong, you only need to reach the spot for them to move maybe.
>>539090314Well, at least I got the fourth mask fragment out of it.
I DONT WANT TO FIGHT NYLETH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHfights should be a beautiful waltz like fighting lace or the cog dancers or seth NOT THIS SHITE
>>539091529You only need to find 22/30 fleas to make them move to Putrid Ducts, which is what's needed for Act 3. The full 30/30 fleas is just for 100% completion.
>>539092570Just cheese her with tools and the architect crest. You don't even lose shards in the dream fight.
>>539088270>This is a shitload of farming..butbut you only need to kill like 40-50 guys?guys who die in 2-4 hits...
>>539088270I did it in less than 2 minutes, on halfway home, longpins, architect charged attack, and the Pimpillo bombs, 3 to 5 cycles each, even though it's 35, each guy gave 4 or 5
trobbio.. so cool... and handsome!
>>539092826Yeah and I don’t have 22/30 fleas so I have to look up flea locations and check each one by one for the next hour or three
>>539094772Trobbio is a faggot.
>>539095557just buy them
>>539095698what the heck man
When can I find a fast travel bug after entering Act 2?
>>539095729How do I buy them
>>539095786npc in the ducts
>>539095746depends on how you got in. if you came in the front gate, you're gonna have to hoof it for quite a bit
>>539095746the main act 2 areas don't use the bell beast for fast travel so there's only a couple of them in act 2 to get back to act 1 areasyou can get to one relatively quickly if you know where to go, southeastern choral chambers
>>539085829The NECK SNAP was so cool
>trying to activate final audience quest>gave cog heart to second sentinel>saw her fight THREE times in seperate locations>still no quest for her on the wishboardwhat the fuck am i doing wrong. i dont get it
>>539096551that was one of the last if not the last one to pop up for me, only appearing after id gotten all fleas and done shakra's quest. i'd seen the sentinel like 5+ hours prior.
>>539096551i saw it fighting twice and got the duel quest immediately afterare there other songclave quests that you didn't finish yet?
>>539096551the sentinel requires you to finish the high halls song thing
>>539097039oh that makes sense, the tracking would lead to a dead end in the ceiling otherwise
>>539096771>>539096879the only quest on there is the 300 rosaries donation but thats not required right? looked everywhere and nothing mentioned it, i've gotten more quests in bellhart without donating anything
>sands of karakfucking enemies in the way of times platforming that needs me to down strikeREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>539097183well if nothing else is working then the donation would be the extremely obvious thing to trydid you get the melodies yet or not?
>>539095557There's a hidden flea in the roof of the putrid ducts who has the flea maps. You also need to go there because finding the pale lake in the ducts is required to make them move.
>>539097357i did get the melodies and uhh im retarded i guess i did have to do the donation, oops
how the fuck do i get rid of the traps in hunter's march so i can use the rest place. fucking retarded shit reminds me of DS2
>>539098062go left
>>539098062found out there is a hidden place on the left with lever>>539098123thanks!
>>539098062the trapped bench? the fix is literally inches a way man, learn to check walls or you'll miss everything in this game
>>539098249posted way too soon
>>539097183>>539097653the donations are like upgrading the settlement, and I think you have to do them all to get act 3
>No repercussions or costs to using your tools in a dreamIt's gaming time Karmelita
>>539099034>KarmelitaWhat, like the fox from Sly Cooper?
Just picked up a crying baby in Bilewater. How do I get rid of it? Is this what the locked door in Greymoor mentioned about bringing something "truly disgusting?"
>>539099849sort of, you need to give the baby to another npc first
>Sands of Karak runbackOkay this one is kind of bullshit. It's not hard, just a bit longer than others (about a minute).
>>539076469Cogwork Core was my City of Tears in that it was the first zone where I immediately loved the music.I had to take a moment and just let it play before I got on with the exploration
>>539100259Your shortcut?
I can't do the last jump to get clawline, what am I missing? Its a little too far.
>>539080789>for their next trick, Team Cherry will now have you put Hornet through physical torture
>>539099849keep it for later unless you want to miss an achievement
>>539100392Green path. Just run and dodge all enemies.
>>539100483dash jump from the platform? don't jump dash, it's a bit shorter than a dash jump
>>539000967I'm currently at the last judge boss and I feel like I'm almost finishing the game it's been fun so far (except the mist part), how long am I far from ending the game?
>>539100893you are about 30% through the game
mfw almost blesses captcha>>539100793why not sit at the bellbug bench down in Blasted Steps?>>539100893Probably a couple hours, I'd say
>>539100793I found it shorter to just come from the blasted steps bench from below
>>539101050Damn, so much quality content for such low price
>>539101159Maybe. I prefer horizontal movement to vertical. Feels more fluid
MAN!! First Sinner is such fun fight!! GODDAMN, I LOVE IT.This boss fully vindicated whatever hours-long torture I faced in Bilewater, I just hope we get more of them good bosses.
>very evasive boss>still has a parry/block moe for when you finally manage to hit it
>>539102313>hope we get more of them good bosses.oh no no no no
Do you guys actually parry attacks?, isn't it kinda useless seeing how most enemies land multiple attacks at the same time
>>539102780you can parry the whole combo as long as they aren't infinite and moving towards you, like those weird running guys in the cogworksI'd actually kinda like more parry focused games, like 9 sols, but I guess those are fundamentally different themes and a game with both will struggle to keep bosses fair for both styles of gameplay
>>539102658>very evasive boss>moves just far enough that if you walk after them you can't get a hit in, but if you dash you'll run into them and take contact damage before your dash attack can come out
I don't get how Eva works. Does she evolve whatever random crest you're holding at the time, or does she always evolve the hunter crest twice?
>>539103354only the hunter crest
I skipped Moorwing but I did talk to Garmond and Zaza in Greymoor. I found them in Choral Chambers fighting things but haven't seen them since. I check the wiki entry and apparently they were supposed to appear near Whispering Vaults and The Forum but I didn't see shit. Why is their storyline so bugged?
>>539103758You have to encounter them multiple times in Choral Chambers I think (3?)
>>539103758you also meet them in sinner's road, the interactive map in the OP calls that the second encounter, so maybe you need to go there before you can find them n the citadel
>>539102780Parrying is difficult to do on the fly against a boss, but it's easy when you only have to focus on the parry, e.g against the bola throwers in Sinner's Road. Against bosses, it's only easy to do when you've established how to counter their moves. My usual way of avoiding some of NKG and Pure Vessel's moves involved a parry. The parry spell is free iframes once mastered but right now it's hard to do that because rematching bosses isn't possible.
>>539103758you find them more times in choral chambers then they move to songclavei think skipping moorwing cuts you off from the rest of their questline though
>>539102780It's easier to just get out instead of risking getting hit by multi-attack or contact damage.
>>539103913This feels so shit. Almost like you're being punished for being "too good", not dying, and not having to backtrack through an area. The initial rosary prices on release made me feel the same way, like they expected the player to be stacking rosaries through grinding fodder mobs on runbacks.
>>539104083Fucking TC if that's the case. Locked out of story and achievement
>>539104083>>539104296Skipping Moorwing doesn't lock you out.I know because I skipped Moorwing and still got the cheevo for Garmond.
>>539104083>>539104296I don't think so, I found them even after I skipped Moorwing, and even then if you're on act 2 Moorwing reappears right outside of Greymoor's Bell Station
Why does everything in this game deal double damage
>>539103990Continuing this, parrying is really only possible when there's a consistent tell. The mantises in HK always slash once at the exact same time after they raise their arms so it's easy to parry, but for the armored agile ant in SS, parrying is much harder because he slashes thrice and his dash and jump dash distance from you can vary a lot.
some guy in steam forums wrote this:> not true , you can lock yourself out of the garmond and zaza fight if you upgrade your citadel base twice as they will move in , you can encounter garmond and zaza like maybe 4times , twice in the citadel and finally fight them at the arena right of the citadel baseis this true? am I fucked?
>>539104865because it's a sequelThrilkthrong comes out in 2033 and everything deals triple damage
so wheres the last part of the weapon? "in the bone path"... is that in the marrow? but then it also mentions the weavers, but there is no weaver area around the marrow... please give me a hint
>>539104986I think so, I haven't fought them and they just sit in Songclave 24/7. It's only a joke fight and a journal entry though.
>>539105106BONE Bottom is a part of the bone path and there is a weavenest nearby.
>>539104083I died when I saw them in the chambers, and I haven't seen them since.
>>539105342i thought of that just as i posted>talk to ghost lady>[insert text about moss]>immediately put into the cutscene for the crest expansions>try to reread the text about the weapon>now only see text regarding "expansion of nature" for crest expansionsgod damn it.
>>539105852the number of times an NPC said something salient but refused to repeat it actually started to hurt me by the endThis game unironically needs a VN-style chat log
new bread?
