Lace editionStore links:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksonghttps://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_KnightInteractive Map:https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloomPrevious Thread>>539000967
here we go again
>>539108458ten million years of swimming through maggot water. think about what that does to a bug
Karmelita's music is so good that I intentionally die just to replay the fightFuck the gauntlet at the start though, I just tool spam there
Sekiro's spirit emblems and blooborne bullets already were terrible resource management systems but i have to give it to team cherry, the shells may be the worst resource management system i've seen in the entire genre period. Fucking revolting.
>>539109285its pretty shit. tools take up way too many resources
>>539109285if it didn't exist, it would be better, but it's not that bad. it's better than sekiro's spirit emblems as with sekiro you needed a lot more grinding and they cost a lot more along the game, but in here you can go to halfway home and 3 cycles buy you 160 shards, on songclave with the extra rosaries charm passing through the entire hallway gets you enough rosaries to buy 500 shards
Fuck it, I give up. Where is the damn craftmetal?
>6 masks>one needle upgrade>time for savage beastfly>gulp, anons talked this bastard up>1st try himTHIS is the boss you guys chose to bitch about? i'm not a god gamer or anything. sister splinter and widow raped me like ten times, same was last judge. 10-15 is max deaths i've had on a boss i think, i haven't kept count. but then i finally 1st try a boss, and it's this thing you guys said was bullshit. get a grip lol
>>539109915bro, link to the map is in the op
>>539108390Sex. Soft, passionate sex with Lace.
>>539110057>6 masks>needle upgradeyou didnt beat beastfly
>>539110057
>>539109786The mere fact you need to grind them at all despite the fact they already function on limited charges is retarded.
>>539110057nigger i beat beastfly with 5 and no needle upgrade, if they allowed a boss like this to be fought as early as this then the difficulty should be toned down
Is there a reward for doing all of the courier deliveries? I just finished the lacquer but going all the way to the fleas seems like a tremendous pain in the ass
>>539110057>needle upgrade>beastflyhow is this even possible, you don't explore at all?
>>539110162Since she's made of silk, she's probably really soft and smooth to the touch. Like a warm silken blanket.
What am I missing here
>>539110416It's spider silk, meaning very sticky.
>>539110549Play music
wtf there is something here how do i get it. in the marrow
>>539110353Delivering the one-time things gives either some more dialogue or upgrades the NPC/town you deliver to.The generic grey bag deliveries is just for farming rosaries.
>>539110397idk i try to explore but i must not explore correctly>still six masks halfway through act 2>only found 6 mask upgrades total>have double jump and 4-5 silk upgrades>don't see any openings on the map>did wormway, whiteward, karak
>>539110682might be simply an enemy behind the wall
>>539110682it's probably just an enemy on the other side
>>539110713>The generic grey bag deliveries is just for farming rosaries.Thank god.That is what I assumed but who the fuck would ever resort to this for rosary farming?
>>539110781>>539110843oh I didn't know enemies reacted to the needle never mind
What crest and tools do you guys like best? I only just entered act 2, have four crests, and I went back to the original just because it feels the best for me. Don't use tools a whole lot other than that very first airborne spike thing because it makes me happy to get it placed during a boss intro and get free damage.
>>539110626Spooky ghost but now what
>>539110762>act 2>bragging about beastflyDidn't beat the game etc
>>539111003i stick with hunter's the whole way. i use the airborne trap that explodes if an enemy hits it, the piercing longpin with poison, and sometimes the throwing needle depending on the boss. and the yellow to get more shards since i use tools in every arena and boss fight
>>539110625It doesn't have to be sticky. Spiders can produce different types of silk for different purposes. Just think, it would be horribly inefficient to make parts of the web that aren't involved in prey catching sticky, it would be a waste of resources. They're perfectly capable of producing non-sticky silk for use in structural support in web building.
>lb opens mini map>double clicking lb opens the full mapfuck i've been going into the menu to view the map this whole time
Did you commit war crimes?
>>539111568i only knew this because i accidentally double tapped tab in the first game and it opened the whole map
>>539111003Poison cogflies are amazing so I just used those as soon as I acquired them.Stuck to Wanderer for most of the game the attack speed is just too good vs the faster bosses and Hunter plunging attack is awful.
>>539111010Nothing. It's just for lore/world-building.
>>539108549Beat Groal in just two tries using the cheese. They need to completely rework that encounter. It's AIDS if you fight him "normally," given the shit water and the wave fight before it. It's not particularly interesting if you use the cheese. You're burning large quantities of tools either way so you're under painfully strict ammo constraints. The pre-boss arena battle is incredibly annoying and takes forever to do safely. There's literally nothing I like about it. But I have the feeling that the fact it's cheesable means they'll never touch it. "What, you want more?" is what they'll ask, and my answer is that I want it to be fun.
>>539111003HunterLongclawFlintslateFlea Brew
>>539109786NTA but I feel that the shards are more punishing than the spirit emblems because of how much more often you need the tools. The tools in Sekiro were mostly gimmicks, one-enemy-in-the-entire-game-kryptonite, and cheese. In my first Sekiro playthrough I basically never touched them, not even the shield, since your L1L1L1L1L1L1R1 game was so strong. In Silksong I am constantly pulling out the tools for gank fights, fliers bodyblocking me, cringe bosses, etc. Even if tools were more expensive on a per-use basis in Sekiro, I'm using them so much more here that it's got a way bigger impact.
>barbed bracelet increases damage taken by 2x, attacks now do 4 masks>increases damage by less than 25%why is it such a small increase? would dishing out double damage be too OP?
>>539112694i wonder how it stacks with flint + hunter damage upgrade
>>539112694Are you for real? That's less of a boost than Fragile Strength, which doesn't gimp you in battle and only created a hole in your pocket.
>>539113173https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Barbed_BraceletA comment in another wiki says that Flintslate adds 11 damage.So, with the doubly evolved and full focus Hunter crest + Barbed + Flintslate each attack would do 46 damage, that's more than double the initial attack but Barbed + Flintslate alone don't give you double damage
>>539112694because TC hates fun>volt: +5 damage per cast (NOT HIT)
>Have to collect 25 spine from enemies that are few and spread all over and dont even have a 100% to drop said itemWhat the fuck is this retardation? This is the kind of shit I expect from a chinese mmo, not a fucking metroidvania, seriously what the fuck is this?
>>539114865>he thinks the spines are drops on kill
>>539114865It's not RNG. Pay closer attention to when exactly they drop.
>>539114865don't kill them retardfarm their spines by hitting them and waiting
>>539114865Nevermind I am a dumbass, didnt realize I needed ti attack the projectiles and not the enemy itself, despite the onjective clearly being labeled hunting the animal itself.
>>539114865Just throw the barbed tool at them. They dropped like 5 spines at once for me
What is the harder platforming: Mount Fay, or Sands of Karak?
>>539115554the one where messing up could have you falling all the way to the bottom
>>539115554Karak without wings >> Fay > Karak with wings
I'd love to see Green Prince do a pole dance, and I'd repay it by dancing in his pole afterwards. No homo.
>Wispfire Lantern can still summon wisps from your silk heart regen even if you're maggotedI haven't even tried Groal yet but this seems like it'll help a lot with cheesing him
>>539115554>he doesnt know about the path to get to the surfaceactual path of pain tier difficulty although much shorter
Groal got you by the balls? Pollip Pouch + Cogfly + Curveclaw.Sit in the bottom right corner, in the maggot water for a safe spot and spam your tools. He'll die in a minute.
>>539116951>No homoyes, you are
>>539112305beat it him normally, wasn't really that hard
I made it pretty far in to the second phase of Groal on my first try but I immediately looked up a cheese after because the runback + arena fight before him is bullshit.I hate flying enemies and in phase 2 all he does is spam the air shots and since he's a giant flying enemy, he can corner you for contact damage. I hate how TC thinks that's good design.
Apologize
>>539118387I'm sorry but I don't know who this is, I beat the game at 87% and went on to play Silksong.
>>539117438>equating any of the platforming sections with PoP
>staggered bosses still have deal contact damagewhy
>>539104865Some make sense (heavy hits, frag explosions), but some (pollen, etc) does not. They should have implemented damage-over-time with fractional mask damage for those. Damages 1/4 masks every second for 4 seconds, something like that.
>fight pinstress>expecting a cool 1 on 1 duel>she spends 90% of the fight flying out of rangeman fuck off with that shit. flying enemies in this game are so annoying.
>>539117451Yep. Died to the pre-boss gauntlet a couple times but the first time I saw Groal himself I took no damage and melted him
This boss was so much fun. Are they all gonna be this good?
Does anyone use charge attacks? They feel pretty awful to use in a fight. I think I only use them when I see an enemy ahead and I can charge up to get free heavy damage right away.
>bought the simple key for 300>it only a shithole with worms in it
>>539115989can you get to karak without wings?
>>539120301her problem is that she's too easy and simple
>>539120540does he know
>>539120419Unless you're playing Architect, I don't see the point in trying to use them.
>>539114865This, but the pins quest in the citadel.
>>539120665yeah, my deaths on her was mostly on me being impatient and trying to hit her while she's up in the air and fuck up.once i just wait for her charge and dash attacks, she's pretty easy.
>>539120673I have already reached the edge of pharloom, the sandy area but went back to explore more. this seems like a shortcut to there? idk
i've used two simple keys1. deep docks2. green bro in jaili got my third. where should i use it
>>539120540Make sure you explored the whole area (and the areas it exits into). The Wormways simple key door is very worth it and the best simple key use in the game
>>539111003I also reached Act 2 recently-ish. I have 4 crests, but I stick with hunter.As for tools, I don't use the RB button at all so... Yeah.
>>539121220I shall
Give it to me straight, anons: is Bilewater the most bullshit the game's ever gonna be, or is there nonsense in Act 3 that's even worse?
>>539120368>tfw I killed the stupid warden fly in bilewater and can't get the early act 1 grapple hook to rest at the bench outside Judge's door I mean the only part about the runback I hate is the drill fly at the very start. It sometimes dies to the worms below, sometimes it flies backwards and ricochet shots me and I have to either reset the runback or take the one life loss into the boss room.
>>539121186Wormways
This game is fun but man fuck the birds
>>539121329Bilewater is the worst place, there is a worse monster in a different zone but that zone is really small with almost no platforming so not a big deal
>>539120419Charge time is too fucking long for it to be useful.
>>539121446>It sometimes dies to the worms below, sometimes it flies backwards and ricochet shots What the heck are you doing? You shouldn't even see him after five seconds. You sprint jump to the platform and immediately jump again, completely bypassing him.>tfw I killed the stupid warden fly in bilewater and can't get the early act 1 grapple hook to rest at the bench outside Judge's doorHow does the prison section help with that? Clawline is in Underworks.
Finished game. Wasn't better than hollow knight.
>>539120646Yes.
So you have enough regen to cast a skill when you have:>3 silk hearts + weavelight>3 silk hearts + egg of flealia>2 silk hearts + weavelight + egg of flealiaThat's pretty cool but it doesn't feel like a particularly strong charm build, and the flea charm isn't as unique or cool as the grub charm from HK1. I wish the silk regen was faster.
>>539111003ive been running reaper the entire game..
>architect crest>choose between healing or refueling toolsman, if i'm not such a shitter this is probably good but i'd stick with wanderer/beast.
Are there any situations where you want to play music outside of the doors that require it to open?
>>539124437Even if you never use the reload Architect is still good just for having 3 red slots
Bilewater really exposes how oppressive the "clawhook costs silk" mechanic is. Ok I got dunked in the fuckwater. Cool. Time to conserve silk so I can undo it. Oh no wait I can't because I'm constantly blowing 2-3 pips grappling the geometry. I'm certain they added this mechanic to make this one area specifically harder.
>>539125190>I'm certain they added this mechanic to make this one area specifically harder.actually they did it for the nyleth fight
i quit because of couriers rasher
>the crow enemies in greymoorJesus those bastards are so freaking annoying to fight
What do I do in this room in Wormways? I did the quest to collect the blue buds for the tool, but I'm not sure what to do here. When I play the pindolin it says it's too dark and it needs a spark for the buds to grow.
Damn, Lace 2 was really easy, huh. It was still very fun, but it felt so short.
>>539126464It's an act 3 boss
hello please say something nice about lace
>dump a bunch of poison cogflies & tacks in front of Lace 2>chill on the wall for a while until she diesI have a feeling tools are getting nerfed sooner or later. Or maybe they really are an intended crutch so shitters like me can make it to the end.
>>539127287I really like rich, haughty girlshope to see the sequel with her traveling other kingdoms/cities trying to find a shell/mask of her own as she tries to not sound like a bully/condescending while she selflessly helps people
sister splinter is annoying
Anyone else encounter a bug where you survive with 0 masks? I encountered it while dying in the forum, but didnt test out how it affected me since I panic healed right after.
dont call hornet spritely
>>539129192just stay on the ground underneath her and jump attack up on her face after you dodge one of her attacks.when she fills the room with walls use silk spear to clear multiple instantly so you have some breathing room and don't get overwhelmed. after that it's more of the samethe summons are the worst part, just prioritize clearing them whenever they show up
>>539127964The dichotomy of "holy shit I'm OP" and "wtf I'm so poor" is the intended experience. The onl real flaw is that the tools aren't actually that OP until you hunt down the specifically OP ones, they're supplemental at best and really only good at clearing arena waves, so the "holy shit I'm OP" doesn't manifest most of the time and you're just poor with nothing to show for it. Just like in real life.
What fights are your favorites? For me, it's any of the weavers or Lace.
>>539127964There's a reason why the Architect crest is considered top tier. The only skill that can compete with the DPS of tools is silk storm with the spam exploit, but tools are still safer damage overall.
>>539125804
Get fucked. You don't get a fair fight, faggot.
>>539130019thanks m8
What the fuck is Wit thicket and do I want to be there? Because the place fucking sucks.
I'm almost at the end of chapter 2 and charms STILL suck. What the fuck? Beyond compass and poison for tools there's basically nothing i would call fun or mandatory.
>>539130019>>539129192Also, she destroys her minions and thorn walls with her slam attacks, so don't waste time destroying ones you don't have to
>>539131902huh, i knew beastfly did that but i never noticed it with splinter
>>539131902i just hate how strong she is. if i blink too long it's over
Should contact damage hit for 2 or more masks?
>Karmelita>Dodge 10 attacks in a roll>Finally manage to get close and land one single weak hit>She blocksTool spam is intended gameplay at this point
>>539130605Cogwork dancers, second sentinel, lace, seth, trobbio.
>>539132157no, why do they even use weapons at that point, just run towards the player, their body is bigger than their weapon, they're not Sly
:(
>>539132157all damage should be an instakill and instead of healing you spend a silk bar on a 1-hit shield. mario mushroom logic
>>539132157Contact damage shouldn't be a thing unless the enemy is covered in spikes. But this seems to be too hard for the small indie company to grasp.
>>539132438universal contact damage isn't a hard concept to grasp unless you've literally never played a 2D platformer before
>>539132157enemy healthbars are nice:https://youtu.be/X0q9ZKk3Mgs
>religion bad
>>539132648I like how HK/SS have no health bars, lets me focus on the fight more, gives tension to using tools/Silk moves because you don't know if using the last of them will actually kill them
>>539132632I guarantee i played more metroidvanias and platformers than you. Contact damage is an outdated concept that has been recently ditched by a bunch of metroidvanias and all of them have greatly benefited from it.Last Faith in particular was an amazing example.
>>539132728if this bothers you then you're the reason why stories like this still need to exist
>>539132157Enemy runs into you? Half your health. You run into enemy? Instant death. You run into a stunned enemy? Game uninstalls and deletes itself from your steam library.
>>539132157I think that contact damage should always be 1. The only issue I could think of this causing is people being able to avoid taking 2 damage attacks by faceplanting into the enemy.
>>539130605Cowgirl dancers, last judge, widow (so far). Fighting the enraged conchfly atm.
why does this game not have any memorable music other than cogwork core? that place is the only place where the ost sticks with me.
>>539132157Unless the enemy has big spikes or similar, it should be 1I have tried too many times to down pogo with Hunter Crest, only for it stop a smidgen away from the boss/fat fucker and then I get dunked on
>>539133182>recently ditched by a bunch of metroidvaniasWhich one? 90%+ rated only pls. I don't want to play mixed games
>>539133458I think it's mixed too low, I can't hear it over the grunts, sound effects, tools and add spamthe only one I actually heard was Silk and Karmelita
>>539132157if the boss is not using an attacking move or just jumping around, it should do only 1 damage. when they are in the middle of attacking, then 2 damage.
>>539133458>SilkSONG>the entire core theme of the game is music>80% of the Citadel is music related>OST is mostly forgettableIncredibleMeanwhile, a bunch of spaniardshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvXWIyPCn7c
>>539133458yeah i'm kinda disappointed with the ost in comparison to hollow knight, only choral chambers stood out to me
>>539132376it's your fault btw, should've waited for act 2
>>539133538>Taking 2 damage from gently touching Groal's big gay headCringe >Taking 2 damage from Groal diving right up my assFair enough
>>539135253waited to do what?
Going through act I wonder - am I fucking myself over by only using Wanderer?This crest feels like genuine EZ Mode toggle in almost every way and every time I try to run around with any of the others they just don't feel as comfy.Sitting on 3 memory lockets, not committing them to any others.
>>539135409the skull tyrant wish is what triggers the invasion, but on act 2 the little pilgrim will start his journey and leave bone bottom, so if you wait for act 2 to do the wish, the little pilgrim will survive because he isn't there anymore
neat little skip i found that gets you to great taste of pharloom quest faster, was surprised this even worked
>>539132728Its true for every abrahamic religion tho, so can't really blame the dev for a shallow take given they probably dont have much knowledge on more subtle ones that dont try to force feed you dogmatic bollocks
I am a shitter and can't beat Father of Flame.
is the blasted steps a late game area? i only just got wall jump and this shit is scary
>>539135582It's very good in act 1 because you don't have many strong red tools yetIt starts to fall off when you start wanting to bring multiple red tools to a boss. Still good though. I use Wanderer while exploring and Architect for hard bosses
>>539136042Not even close to late-game
>>539135917used wanderer crest for it
>>539135271I dislike contact damage in its entirety save for an enemy that specifically seems designed for it.Especially bothersome in this game where the diagonal pogo on the starting moveset can and often does bounce you into foes after the hit.
>>539135618oh lol sorry lil bro
>>539132371are you me
I just beat the cog dancers. When the fuck do I get double jump or some variation of it?
the chad grindlevsthe virgin zote
>>539111003used reaper and wanderer for a long time but went back to Hunter once i evolved it and never looked back, it's just so fun and perfectly balanced and the angled pogo is fun to masteralso i don't have all the tools yet i'm sure but atm my faves are the silk-dash, weighted belt, fast heal, longer silk spool, red cone and pimpillo
>>539136443I remember in Dark Souls, there was a couple of big bosses where an optimal strategy was just to keep yourself mashed into their crotch and swing like a madman and it always felt stupid
>>539137256>there was a coupleTry all of them. This continues throughout souls-likes including Elden Ring and even Lies of P.
>>539137098You don't need to beat cog dancers to get double jump I don't think, the Mountain is past The Slab
Flea Dodge was harder than Lost LaceNow to decide if I'm doing speedrun achievements or steel soul>>539137098Have you found Mount Fay yet? If you see a big fucker with a cage in old areas, let him win
>start of act 3 is an enemy gauntlet with a long runback locked to hunter crest with all your tools unequippedbravo, the most silksongy thing imaginable
>>539137484are the bugs large with human-ish sized accessories or are they teeny tiny bugs with even tinier accessories?could i crush the citadel beneath my mighty boot?
no one answered me last thread, but I tested it and I can say that if you beat the game and load back the save, it'll be at the last save before the final boss, so you don't need to rollback or back up your save (you should, just in case) if you wanna to all endings.
>>539137840i answered you :(
>>539137663I don't think it's ever stated. Though my guess would be that they're somewhat small due to the lack of fall damage.
>>539137840normal & cursed endings don't lock you out of anythingthe ending that puts you in act 3 does lock you out of normal & cursed endings
>>539137905no? this was my post >>539091652
>>539137840You should absolutely make a backup save after getting the Witch Crest
>>539137484>>539137412I went there but it had the cold mechanic and it looked like the way left was too high with the platforming skills available to me. I'm probably retarded so I'll go back and check. Thanks.
>>539138698You need a harpoon.>>539138062There is already an autosave when you get a crest.
>>539137404idk, theyve been pretty good on that one recently. bayle will knock you down if you come 1m close to his tummy while he is swinging his exposed bone.
True last boss is such a fucking shit show desu.There is nothing enjoyable about this fight.
>>539138698>cold mechanicThis tripped me up too, there are fires around to keep you warm, there isn't a cold resist item.>>539139091>filtered by the 2nd best boss in the game
does beating the Bell Eater in act 3 unlock the Bellways again or do I have to leave the Citadel on foot?
>>539128017>I really like rich, haughty girlsBased.
>yfw we get to actually use whatever this broken bullshit would be in the DLC
>>539139282>there isn't a cold resist itemwell, there is, but you know
>>539139432she spent the whole fight spamming silk skills, like the shitter she was, imagine the things we could've done if we had that much power
>>539139287it makes bellways usable again and unlocks better dreamgate
>>539139432It's a shame we got no God Queen Hornet design.I wanna see her get fucked by the Lord of Shades.
Sad Pavo makes me sad :(
>>539138698Note that once you have double jump, you'll have to double jump before you can float.
>picking up a crest remove the tolls currently equipedFor what porpoise
>>539138835>You need a harpoon.Well, guess I'm stopping all upward progress until I find that. Thanks man.
bros... what the fuck is mister mushroom saying it's kinda fascinating how cryptic everything he says isand why is hornet calling him heraldI kinda forgot what his whole deal is, isnt it something about great change occuring when he's around?what an interesting character
>>539139660thanks. fight was annoying so i melted it with voltvessels
What's the top 5 of charms? Longclaw is obviously on the first place, but what's the rest?
By how much does Shaman crest increase the power of skills anyway? Only 2 blues and the attack speed are underwhelming.
>>539141619i like druids eyes!
>>539141619the fractured skull, the compass, the poison pouch, and the last one is (You)r favourite
>>539141619I think pollip pouch is the best charm even without architect's crest it boost your damage so fucking much as long as you use tools
>>539141619Fractured MaskPollip PouchReserve BindWeighted BeltMagnetite DiceIf red tools count (the game refers to red/blue/yellow all as tools, not charms) thenCogfliesPlasmium Phial (only if you overdose it with Architect)Maybe Tacks or Voltvessels, not practical for all fights but when they are they're ridiculous
is there really just the one bench in bilewater
>>539143209one at the bottom at the bellwayone fake one to troll youone hidden one for the boss runback
>Hornet is such a good female prota-ACK!
Act 3 is wearing me down, just constantly looking up online where all the last hidden optional bosses are and just fighting boss after boss.
Yesterday 100%Today speedrunTomorrow back to wageslavin' (Hunter's Journal isn't gonna finish itself)
Finally beat the game."Thank god it's ov-ACK"I miss one Spool Fragment, is it that?
>>539144332i bet it's the one under the elevator in whiteward
>>539143394where's the hidden one
>>539144332Where's your Farfinder to tell you what you're missing?>>539144438That ended up being one of my last two, along with, funnily enough, probably the first one you can get in the game above Bone Bottom.The traps in front of the breakable wall did their job, convinced me it was just rosaries in there and nothing else lol
>>539144453swim in the maggot water in the level below the boss, rightmost side
>>539144438Sadly it's not that one. I always check under elevators since dark soul 1.
>>539144453a few big rooms back from the bossthere's a flea in the top left of the room, hidden path to a bench in the bottom right
>flea jugglewhat kind of toontown online fuckery is this
>>539144862awoodon't worry, it's worth it
>539143464Will you stop spamming this? Or lil tranny is to mad to stop
>>539144646>>539144736ok ty, this zone is ass
>>539142195I dunno,Quick Bind + Multiweaver lets you heal 6 masks in roughly the default bind time, that's insane.Then you have long nail for additional weapon reach.t. has been using pollip since I got it and is now under temptation.
Okay what the fuck does Eva want me to do? I don't mind cryptic bullshit but this isn't even cryptic bullshit it's just bullshit.
>the way hornet growls when using beast crest Makes my dick hard
>>539146143Return after unlocking more crests. I dunno what other upgrades might be required. Silk Hearts maybe.
>>539146606hornet is flat! FLAT!
>>539146773...What? I know that
>>539146143Eva just needs crests and memory lockets used use the memory lockets to unlock the slots on all your crests, if all your crests are unlocked then find more crests, if you don't have enough memory lockets then find more lockets
I give up, the game is excruciatingly dogshit. I can't even defeat forebrothers because the thought of walking through this retarded runback, with a bridge that takes 10 literal seconds to build, alone is enough for me to be turned off about it, and I'll let you know that I cleared P5 back in the days.
I love architect, I love having three tools, I love it's long, quick pokes and dash attack and amazing charge shot, I love being able to refill tools the very few times I need it.But holy fuck, holy FUCK, this down attack isSOBADIt's slow, it's got no range, if you charge it for range it's even slower, it's only technically functional at the very most. It feels like I basically just don't have a down attack anymore, and god damn does that feel bad. I get that it's to balance how good everything else, but...god damn, man.
God Super Metroid feels like a vacation compared to Silksong.
>>539147535>game is dogshit because I can't beat this early game bossmany such cases!
>>539147535you could handle shitty okumura spaceport you can handle the runback
>>539147535>with a bridge that takes 10 literal seconds to buildwrong way. much closer bench after you unlock the shortcut. should take like 10 seconds to get from bench to boss
>>539147968>okumura spaceportHe is talking about pantheon 5 bro...
>>539118387Why, Silksong confirms he was a fucking moron who was completely wrong about the Void and his plan was always doomed. Ghost showing up at the end shows that he had a will and wouldn't have been able to contain the Radiance. None of the Vessels could.
>>539132728>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT HECKIN' CRITICIZE MY THEOCRATIC AUTOCRACY!!!!!Take a bullet to the neck like your friend.
Feeling good 100% the game before they nerf everything.
>>539147953>addressing objectively dogshit game design decisions with "skill tissue"Retard.>>539147968So random>>539148149Thanks, I'll look into it, maybe it will help me stomach the game for a little longer.
>>539133458>>539133772You guys are nuts, the soundtrack is great. I've been playing with headphones on and its been a lovely experience.
>>539147535>forgebrothers>runbackThere's like 20 seconds to the fight from the bench, what the fuck are you doing
>>539148430>didn't know about the closer bench>didn't explore aroundI bet you'll also just smash your face against this wall rather than look for upgrades and tools too, huh?Tell me again how your objectively dogshit gaming methods make the game bad?
>>539140380Rather than unequipping your tools, it just force-equips the new crest which has no tools equipped to it. All your tools are still equipped to the crest you were using.
>even with several upgrades, Hornet's own crest is grossly inferior to a shit tier copycat of the Knight's
>>539148921Wanderer's is pretty mid, the real cracked crests are Reaper and Architect. Hell, even Witch and Shaman can do some goofy shit. And Beast is bad for exploration but pretty nutty for bosses.I think people who suck off Wanderer just cant deal with the diagonal pogo, its just a mental block to them so they retreat to something familiar.
>>539148738Good, too bad there's a good dozen of other hard encounters with no benches around to make the game less dogshit.
>>539149037Reaper falls off hard late game.Worst damage out of any crest, special effect does not help you much against the real hard bosses. But hey, you have a little more reach!
>>539149037Reaper is terrible. Wandered almost matches Reaper's reach with longclaw despite being 3 times as fast and not having an awkward delay on the pogo.Architect is good, but i won't say it's better than Wanderer because it still has a shit tier pogo.Witch and Beast may be the worst crests in the game, Shaman is too late game.
>>539147895I ended up playing the whole game with the hunter crest because I couldn't get used to any of the other movesetsIt's a cool idea to make them all unique but it took me hours to learn the angled down attack and swapping off it feels weird
>>539149109Have you tried not sucking ass at the game
Act 2, my map so far. Any spoiler free(or light) tips on where to find the Crustnut? It's the last item I need for the nail oil.
Father of the Flame literally only exists to show you how fucking dogshit Hornet's air moveset is compared to the Knight's.>9/10 difficulty spike with the Hunter crest>Trivially easy with the Wanderer crestJust remember to move in a cycle in phase 1 and you'll win the next try. It's AbsRad phase 3 with a floor.
>>539149323>that last ditch effortBait used to be believable.
>>539149374Remember the Pinstress in the Blasted Sands? Poke your head around there.
>>539141979Most yellow charms aren't hugely impactful but Compass is still more often than not a wasted slot.
>>539149374There is an obvious missing part in your map and the crustnut is there.
>>539149407>bait is saying "You're bad at the game" to a guy who is raging about how the game is too hard for himlmao its fun coming back from 100%ing the game to see all the shitters crying. I thought this was a board for gamers!
When do I go back to Eva to evolve more? I keep getting upgrades and new crests and abilities but I only get the same dialogue from her to come back.
>>539149630You have to actually use your memory lockets.
>>539149109You're not complaining about them, though. You're complaining about one that doesn't have a notable runback because you saw a boss, died to it one too many times, and declared the game to be the problem and not yourself. Then you came here to cry about it instead of asking for advice on the fight because you're convinced it's not that you need to get better, it's that the game should be made easier.So yea, have you considered not sucking ass at the game?
I find it funny that Architect's charged attack is stronger than every single spell and charged attack in the game.
>>539149929TTGL chads feasting
I died to the fucking big jellyfish in Coral Tower. I think I'm done for the day.
>>539149929I mean, look at it. It probably should be the strongest.Does the buzzsaw tool actually suck? I like ground-crawling attacks, but it feels like it just tickles enemies.
>>539149991If it makes you feel better you unlock a shortcut after the third arena. And the hardest arena is the second one.
>>539149991Could be worse, there's one of those little bastard coral things at the top of the elevator past the second arena that killed me on one run
>>539150137Poison buzzsaws are quite nice if there are walls in the arena. Its been very useful to me against grounded enemies.
>>539149610>>539150137Find one word in my posts that is at least remotely related to "hard". The game is filled with awful level design decisions, this one is the final straw for me.>B-b-but this is the game's general! Why come here to complain about the game, for science's sake? Let's maintain the frien-The game is bad. Unpolished, filled with retarded content. There are bosses that require your focus, yes, then there are some that require you click fast. There are runbacks that takes forever, and then there's Trobbio. Get over it.
>>539150147I'm finding the third arena harder. More spikes. >>539150205I want to die every time I bump into one of those fuckers. Fuck it, just make them do a million damage. Gotta slow down.>>539150410I feel I could be getting better mileage out of the drill. It's got similar range but just dumps damage. And I'm already using the drill too, so...Actually, can we talk tools in general? I've been using the triple knives the entire game, they've never done me wrong, and the drill since I got it. I'm looking for a third option for architect. Bombs? Tacts, maybe? >>539150769W-what did I do...?
>>539150769I think you're just bad at the game sis
>>539151008>W-what did I do...?Sorry champ, tagged the wrong person, you're good.
>>539151008>can we talk toolsI got a lot of millage out of Flintslate but I don't know how good that'd be for architect. Cogflies seems to be the obvious go-to
>bilewater bossthat fucking sucked, eventually i just burned him instantly with the drones and flare blade. it's like if the devs played castlevania and dark souls 1 to make the og game, they played metroid fusion and dark souls 2 to make these postgame zones because what the FUCK
>>539149515Okay, thanks. Seems like there is a pathway that connects Citadel to Bilewater. I'll keep fucking around in the swamp then.
>>539150769>Get over it.You first lmao
>>539151705>postgame zoneswat
Are grandmother Silk's grab attack and Last Judge's death explosion the only natural 3 mask attacks?
>Cleaning up Act3 bosses and challenges>Voltvyrm>Easier than piss literal roof wormThe hell was that? Did I skip a phase or what with Witch/mirror combo's dps or what? Was it really supposed to be that piss easy?? That felt like Act1 boss! I was worried since its in this hell hole of Sands of Karak, but it was just shit.
what does the hunter's crest upgrade even do (the first one)
Ah fuck I decided to look at a guide because I've done pretty much everything.I am missing 1 (one) spool fragment. I have no idea which. This fucking sucks.>>539152367Said it increased damage if you keep attacking.
>>539151705I fought him fairly and thought he was one of the easiest bosses in the game, what makes him hard to you shitters?
>>539152486does the effect visualize in any way
>>539151762No dude Citadel is at the top of the map. Look for one big gaping hole between areas. Emphasis on big.Hell, zoom in on the map and look around for an area that doesn't look fully explored.
>>539152486There’s one right by bone bottom that I was missing right until the end>>539152647There’s a bar that fills up in the crest icon as you hit things.
>>539152647To the left of the circle on your healthbar there's a gauge that fills up with silk as your damage increases. It gets reduced when you take damage.
>>539152647Dunno I'm a reaperchad
>>539136443just hold back or use another crest bro lmao how bad can you be
>>539152569Nta but he is in area annoying to navigate with bad bench. And you need not only fight him but the gauntlet as well. Its just a dick in your face. If you save tools for him and stick to the maggot bath he is easy as hell.
>>539152762>There’s one right by bone bottom that I was missing right until the endFalse alarm apparently the flea caravan gives you one, I might have found em all.I never actually talked to them again after the first time and at this point am hoping to find all fleas before doing so.
>>539152569if you played the first game he’s a reskin of the soul master so people already have a bad impression of him
>Grandma Silk does triple fucking damage in her second phaseHoly motherfucking sweatlord of a tryhard videogame, Jesus. Still beat her on my third try because lmao cogflies, but still what the hell man. Let me guess: in the inevitable Silksong godhome, Great Grand Mother Silk will do quad damage on every attack.
>>539150769You're seething dude. You might as well uninstall and refund the game, you're never going to beat it. Meanwhile I can go on youtube and watch casual vtubers clear the shit you're stuck on lmao.
>>539153029Mechanically the only thing he has in common with Soul Master is that he does a Soul attack. And even then their Soul attacks are nothing alike. It's just a reference, presumably they're the same type of bug.
>>539153094She has ONE attack that deals 3 damage with an insane telegraph. God these threads are filled with shitters.
>>539153029???? He is nothing like Soul Master outside of being a fatass.
>>539152071There are at least two more bosses in act 3 that have this as wellGreen Prince and Lost Lace
>>539153098Just because you or your favourite vtumors[citation needed] enjoy a game doesn't mean it's good. Yes, I am seething as we speak, I'll agree on that, but I'm never backing down on the fact that the game is unbalanced, not unless they fix it.Does taking 2 masks and being knocked back into a lava to take another 2 masks look fair and balanced to you?
Is there anything to do with the mask maker on Mount Fay? besides the courier missionI have a theory he'd at least have something to say regarding ||Phantom|| because of their mask but I haven't been back there to check and can't until tomorrow
>>539153735>Just because you or your favourite vtumors[citation needed] enjoy a game doesn't mean it's good.Just because you're seething about how the game is filtering you doesn't mean it's bad.
>>539153094>he gets hit by the attack with the longest telegraph Grandmama Silk is unironically one of the easiest bosses in the game.
>>539153757He apparently has a bunch of dialogue based on certain story progression gates, and you can destroy the mask to get different dialogue. But I haven't done anything with him outside of the delivery.
>>539152071I felt like savage beastfly 2 had one
>>539130605Cogwork Dancers and Phantom are the two I immediately praised as soon as I beat themTrobbio gets an honorable mention for having a funny ending
>You get both needles on the homescreen for true endingkino
>>539154613Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
>>539130605>Widow>Last Judge>Phantom>Cogwork Dancers>Trobbio>First Sinner>both Conchfly fights>both Trobbio fights>Second Sentinel>Every Lace fight>Silk>Seth>all four heart bossesThis game has a really fun boss roster. The quality difference compared to launch Hollow Knight is night and day.
>>539154613>Hornet's is biggermy headcanon is true!
>>539154613Lace requires silk to live and Hornet produces silk...the most toxic of yuri...
>>539153782You didn't answer the question.
did they forget to add resting places in sinner's road? haha
Void Lace sucked.Prove me wrong.
>>539155159I thought it was a really fun fight, though it was a little anticlimactic as a final boss. But the ending was still satisfying.
I've accidentally read in these threads that I need some harpoon thing to get to certain areas. Can anyone tell me what earlier area is adjacent to the one that has it?
>>539152865The gauntlet and summons are free silk. The area isn't a big deal with all movement upgrades.>>539153094Soul master was a decent challenge and could teleport, the frog floats around slowly and shhots slow projectiles that barely cross the screen, everything is easy to dodge.
>>539155159wish she'd suck me
What happens if you claim the architects crest while cursed?>>539155410The first one in Act 2 if you went the Last Judge way. The entrance is somewhere else though.
>>539155410You went there at the start of act 2.
>shakra can't be fought in act3getting really tired of this shit
>>539155264I thought it worked really well, although it could have been neat if Silk threw out some attacks to try and stop you from hitting Lace. Only bad part about it was having to wait for the dive cutscene, but that's such a meaningless gripe that it's honestly whatever. Good fight.
>>539155639Why are you trying to finish the game for good already? It'll be two years before DLC and at least ten before another game.
>>539155264Presentation and ending were kino.Phase 1 and 2 are great and with some practice it's not that hard to no hit both phases with only needle.But phase 3 is a fucking mess with too much shit on the screen and I kept being hit either by overlapping attacks or contact damage because she decided to spawn on my face while I was dashing to evade one of the many projectiles. Not that fun, ended up spamming tools for this phase.
>the spiral charged attack of the Architect deals around 4.5 times the damage of your nail>shaman adds flat damage to your silk spells which vastly improves silk storm in particular and actually makes it strong, together with electric charm it propels the damage all the way to around x7 of your base nail>witch crest has iframes on dash attack
>>539155661Yeah thats what I was hoping for too, but maybe it would be a little chaotic with everything else happening. Still a very fun boss fight and it felt great to learn the moveset and overcome it. I hope we get a super Silk fight in one of the DLCs, she was too weak when we fought her. I was totally expecting her to be involved in some phase 3 but I suppose sacrificing herself to save Lace was a pretty memorable finale too.
>>539154723>>539155000Cucks
>>539155743>Why are you trying to finish the game for good already?I just wanna have a proper warm up before the 2nd playthrough.
>>539155857Witch crest turns the Trobbio mirrors into a fucking nuke, its pretty cool. Definitely want to fool around with different crests more.>>539155953Self insert fags are weird
>>539155868Silk felt like she was supposed to feel like the Hollow Knight fight, where it's not supposed to be super hard, just feel like a finale before leading up to the real end fight.
>>539156378I'm sure they balanced it that way partially because the cursed ending where you have to beat it with no tools or healing.
>>539156028>self insert fagsDid you just made it up lol
>>539156784ESL-chan...
Can you fight Grindle or was an anon memeing due to Shakra?
>>539156028>>539156891nta but ur actually retarded because there is no characters in silksong for self inserters and yes yuritards are cucks
>>539147535So anyways, what's next? Is it just for le lore?
>>539155857Dont forget that Architecht allows you to overdose on plasmium and you can just spam cockflies and buzzsaws/cones/curvesickles and reload when you run out since you never need to heal.As comfy as reaper was, the lategame these 3 are just stupid.
>>539157643Forgot to attach
>Void enemies steal your silk if they hit you and spam AoEs out the ass>Game makes you run a gauntlet with no charms or crest switching because le prepare to die>The Bell Eater fight is incredibly tedious and lasts about 4x as long as it should for how boring it isGonna be another certified Take A Break moment for me, bros, Team Cherry seems determined to make every new section of the game more irritating than the last.
>>539137484Why does Hornet have camwhore lights?
>>539157838Yes it's totally for lore...
>>539158071>Bell eater lasts longBro? I used reaper with just cockflies and he went down in less than a minute. It was shockingly short boss infact. Did you just not upgrade your nail up to max allowed for ACT2?
Does Seth only appear in Fleatopia? Can I still get his memento if I activated the flea wish before talking to him in Fleatopia?
>>539158459>camwhore lightsWhy do you know this?
>>539159157Man I popped Sinner with 6 masks and a lvl 1 nail and it was the best fight I've had in the entire game.Second time around, I died pretty quick the first time, go back, see no fucking coccoon, panic and think I have ~1K rosaries probably sitting outside the arena on the line.Of course the boss rewards aggression because she keeps fucking healing herself or something, so it takes about 3 minutes of fighting before she finally goes down while I have 2 masks left and no silk in the tank... except that was just the first phase.Next few minutes were just frantic back and forth, it was incredible. Then I finally win and check my inventory and the rosaries were there all along, apparently you don't lose them if you die to her. Don't think there's gonna be anything better in the game.
>>539159801Oh yeah and I was even thinking "I gotta lot of rosaries and this is looking really ominous" beforehand, but at the same time I thought "it's a secret area hidden behind another secret area, nothing too intense is gonna be in there".
>>539159157Every single boss in the game goes down in under a minute if you spam cogflies. Your nail did probably under 10% of the total damage to the boss.
>been using reaper's crest since I got it>luv me pogo>find first sinner, struggle alot>can't hit her at all with running attack>switch to hunter crest>beat the dogshit out of her in 2 tries
>>539159590From what I've read he's supposed to appear in Greymoor and move through Shellwood, Grand Gate before showing up at FleatopiaIf he's already at Fleatopia you can get the memento by beating his high scores.
>>539160081I already talked to him at the Grand Gate but he isn't appearing at Fleatopia. I guess I have to fulfill the flea wish first?
>>539159590Is that nigga act 3 exclusive or can you get him in 2?
>>539160194Yep, once you've done that what you need for the memento is extremely obvious. Just pray you don't get fucked by flea RNG
>>539160338He's Act 3 exclusive. You need Silk Soar to reach him in the first place.
Tools are cool, but DAMN I miss spells.
This place is hell.
>>539160079Yes, except the pogo, reaper sucks ass and is perhaps the worst crest in the game.Slow attack, super slow + animation locked charged attack, dash attack basically kills you, the restore ability is useless against most lategame bosses because you're gonna hit them once or twice at best, up attack is has a wonky hitbox etc.Please guys, stop using this crest for boss fights. It's a good crest for exploration and platforming but that's all.
>>539160850Where's that?
>>539159714Because I'm over 18, duh.
>climbed a disgusting and complicated wall of half inch spikes in sinner's road>my reward is fighting one of the big guysthis is just retarded trolling
>>539160850Wait till you get the reward lmao.>>539160965act3 only go back to the cradle and keep going up
I'm stuck at 99%. I have:>All silk hearts / abilities>All crests / memory lockets>All tools / health / silk upgrades>All bosses down + secret ending>Eva quest down, all wishes except 2 courier quests>All vendor items bough except rosary / shardsCould it be the bestiary? I am missing some shit like the sandworms and a couple mementos too, but I heard they don't count.
Oh god, how long is this?
Flea Dodge made me hate this big fucker like you wouldn’t believe
>>539161345Sorry for the retarded question but you also beat the last boss right?
>>539160850idk why people keep comparing it to path of pain, it's nowhere near as hard.
>>539161397>flying bugsyou're almost there
>>539161397That's the last part. Keep restoring your health on the worms.
>>539160851>perhaps the worst crest in the gameThat might explain why I've been struggling with bosses lmao
>>539161509yes
Do crests have any difference in attack damage for regular attacks?Aside from the upgraded Hunter bonus, obviously
>>539161345bestiary and mementos do not count, I assume the two courier quests are the repeatable ones. It shouldn’t be the materials or collectable you can view in your bellhome eitherYou bought/collected all the maps?
>>539130605the Act 3 bosses are ludo>Ant queen>Hydra>Coral man>Dark Tribbio
>>539161818Felt like beast crest did more damage for the two minutes I used it
>>539161616>>539161654Thank god. I don't know what to do here, help.>>539161659It's not, he's full of shit. >>539161818I think architect deals more damage. Only a little, though, it's not like the charge shot.
>>539161818Yes, someone posted a picture 2 or 3 threads ago with all the damage stats per crest. I don't have it but maybe someone can post it?You could clearly see that reaper was among the worst for example.
>flying enemies that swerve all over the placeThese type of enemies are pure cancer to fight jesus, they're genuinely unfun to beat.
how do i get this fucker out of the ground?
>>539161820yep, have all maps + the achievement.
>>539161578It's more like white palace
>>539161935single jump, clawline, double jump.Do this sequence for almost all jumps in this area.
>>539162084why don't you think about it for a little bit?
>>539162060Here.>You could clearly see that reaper was among the worst for example.You cannot. >b-but the damage!There's more to an attack and crest than damage.
>>539161935>It's not, he's full of shit.It is, stats and animations do not lie anon.It is the worst crest. It does not offer anything that can't be done better by other crests. It's your crutch crest I get it, but it is the worst. And I did half the game with it so I fucking know it.
>>539108390Hopes for the DLC?
>>539162342fuck me then, i keep forgetting that button
>>539162547Return of the Grimm Troupe
>>539156461Yeah, I won second try, normally, no tools even, just with healing, but with the curse I'm on my 10th attemptit's still more greedy mistakes than actually difficult, which I find funny because if the fight was harder then it would've been easier
>>539162547an actual area(s) to explore, new abilities / crests, not just a handful of new boss fights like the first game.
>>539162431>>There's more to an attack and crest than damage.Exactly, there is also the animation speed, dash attack etc. And reaper sucks at all of those except pogo. But it also has the lowest damage per hit, the second lowest charded attack damage (but by far the lowest animation too so good luck not getting hit when using it).I still need some solid arguments in favor of reaper because so far I've only been answered with "it's not you're wrong" without zero explanation.
>>539112305You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
>>539162990>You experienced a hollow victoryFitting for this game don't you think?
Wanderer is the best crest with the best pogo. But has anybody actually had success with Shaman? I want to like it since it's like a moonlight greatsword / claim solis.
>>539162904Free silkThe dash attack is good too.
>>539161935>>539162532i beat groal the great with reaper, what does this say about me
>>539162547That shit is years away, no?
>>539162790>Grimm boss>unskippable 8 waves gauntlet>grimm constantly summons flying adds that shoot homing fireballs that leave fire on the ground>phase 3, grimm removes all your tools>phase 4, the ground is replaced by spikes
>>539162990I'm RP'ing as Hornet, she's there to win at whatever cost
>>539163459do it
>>539163264I did it too, reaper pogo is actually really good for that fight, 90% of the damage was cogfly lmao
>>539162532No. Reach is good, silk gain is strong, down attack is a platforming king. It's a good crest. I did more than half the game with it so I fucking know it. >>539162904>Exactly, there is also the animation speed, dash attack etc.Which you could not clearly see from the chart. >animation speedIs not significantly slower than other crests. Attacks come out quick, and as someone who did more than half the game with it, there has never once been a situation where it felt sluggish to act or dodge after doing so, to the point that I don't think that's even a thing. You're acting like it's some Souls ultra greatsword that takes five seconds to swing. It's not. >dash attackIt's good. Getting you into high into the air is a lot better than the little hop most crest dash attacks do. There's more you can do with it.You might not like it. That's fine. I'm not saying it's objectively better, but you're saying it's objectively worse. That's wrong.>>539163264Same. It's good for getting there too.
>set controller down on bed>cries from the deep>controller vibrates violently>vibrates off the bed and onto the floorthis keeps happening im so fucking retarded at least its kinda immersive i guess
>>539163351All four of Hollow Knights "DLCs" released within like a year and a half of the game's release date.
>>539112305It really wasn't that bad.>>539163557This is canon though.
I prefer the hunter crest against groal, really easy fight btw
YEEEEEEAAAAAH
So team cherry lied about there being no true ending in Hollow Knight?
>>539135582Wanderer is the GOAT. I bet the losers that spam tools have to end up grinding a lot for shards
>>5391641533 yellow charm is ehhhh. If only it was 3 blue charms...
>>539163860jesus christ poison cogflies are retardedi'm considering whether to use them on my next playthrough when i killed every boss with a nail this playthrough
>>539164495It's hard to see but he also unloaded almost all his boomerangs too and these hurt as well.
>>539162904Reaper is the comfort pick. It has great reach and superb pogo. And free silk is free silk. Once you get into the lategame you really run out of excuses to use it, but its still very comfortable for traveling.
Is there anything else up here besides dumb bugs and the memento?>>539164401Yeah, I really hate wanderer's charm slots. 3 yellows, 1 red, what is this shit? I guess it's supposed to be a generalist exploration crest? Yellows are utility stuff, it's called "wanderer," the down attack's pretty good for platforming. That's weird, then, because what it shines at is boss fights, while reaper's way better for traversal.
BOSS REFIGHT MOD WHEN
>>539163706It's too slow even with the reach. You playing through the first half of the game with it doesn't show that it's fine, it shows that you were inexperienced. Did you become a Wanderer chad or an Architect?
>>539164495Im the type to cheese the everliving fuck out of op things. Its a hard choice between overdose plasmium or poison cockflies.
>>539164883Yeah, as I said I used for basically all of act1 and most of act2.But bosses lategame don't really allow you to get free silk, that's why I stopped using it.
Is there anything in the Terminus or is it just a neat area?
bros I lost my rosaries for the first time... I had like four hundred too... those fucking spear chuckers in shellwood do NOT want you to just go fast
How do you overdose plasmium? I chugged 6 hearts worth and nothing happened. Does it take time or something?
>>539165156>spear chuckersI don't think you're allowed to call them that anymore anon
>>539165158I remember 9 hearts being the threshold
>>539165158Use Architect, pop plasmiums, refill the tool with bind art and pop the phial again. You NEED architect crest for overdose.>>539165085Keep playing and youll know.
>>539165158You need architect to replenish your tools and use it again.ORYou need to get the free blue masks on blasted steps before using it. That way you don't need architect. At least that's what I heard.
>>5391652939 blue hearts? How am I supposed to do that when I can only chug jug 6?>>539165352Craft Bind refills brews? That's maybe making me re-evaluate Architect 2bh
>>539164650Boomerangs are retard OP I don't think I've taken them off yet.If you get an enemy in the sweet spot it can do 5 or 6 damage instances.
>>539165008>It is the worst. And I did half the game with it so I fucking know it.>"It's a good crest. I did more than half the game with it so I fucking know it.">You playing through the first half of the game with it doesn't show that it's fine, it shows that you were inexperienced.?????>It's too slow even with the reach.No it's not. >Did you become a Wanderer chad or an Architect?I don't like Wanderer. It's short, boring, and it's tool slots suck. Architect's good, but the down attack is complete dogshit, so it's bad at platforming or aerial combat. I use Architect when I can, but I still use Reaper when going into the unknown, for platforming, or when I just can't be bothered to switch. >>539164932Please respond, I don't want to miss anything and I ain't doing that again.
>>539165441Natural lifeblood cocoons exist still. Each one gives 2 hearts
>>539165795I think they are OP too. Used them (and its upgrade) all the way to the end. Even got the final blow on void lace with them.
>>539165008>It's too slow even with the reach.What is this meme?I just put Hunter on and went against the enemy I have the most experience killing (the big guys you can grind for rosaries). I still get 4 hits in during their "activation" with Hunter, no more no less than I get with Reaper.
Normally I think bitching about contact damage is the lamentations of a scrub but I really wonder why Shakra's duel has it. For lore reasons.
>>539165804It's silksong so there might some super secret npc encounter in there but as far as I can tell the only object you can get there is the memento.
>>539166097I was fine with contact damage up until purified ducts and those flies. What the actual fuck.
is this path of pain 2.0?
>>539166364It's somewhere between white palace and pop. But it's short.
>the entrance to the wisp thicketlmao you gotta be kidding me, it's just slightly off the corner of the wall. Is it just me or does Silksong have WAY more areas behind hidden walls than HK?
>>539166509By proportion of hidden walls to areas yeah I think so
>>539166475thanks>popwat?
>Reach Carmelita again in steel soul>Do extremely good on first try>Then only manage to beat her on my 8th attemptShe is still the most bullshit thing in this game. The final boss doesn't even come close to how apeshit she gets on phase 3.
>>539166631Path of Pain
>>539166631Path of Pain.PoP.Or pp if you prefer.
>>539166686many thanks
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>>539166017It does swing slower. Slightly. It's never enough to matter, as you noted. He's probably comparing it to wanderer. Which is stupid, because wanderer's entire point is that it swings really fast. >>539166167Thanks, anon.
>>539166723>Or pp if you prefer.
>>539166509I don't mind that one, there's a tell on screen (wooden pillar) and you can generally go by the "why is this area even here" logic to sniff out the secret which works in a lot of seemingly pointless areas.The entrance to the voltwyrm cave on the other hand is utter bullshit.
>>539166364I personally found it worse, but the upside is that it's short.
>>539161818There's gotta be a minor difference since Beast Crest came in clutch when I fought Sister Splinter because it cleared her spikes in 2 hits vs 3 with the other crests I had at the time
>>539166803>SpoilerIs there anything there in act 2 besides the Materium entry?
>>539166756This happened to me too, thought I was hot shit piggybacking on a cockroach.>>539166860Yeah he's there in act 2. He's easy even for act 2.
I can see why they removed the float override input playing Flea Bounce
>>539166680It's funny because I find that it's the exact opposite. Final boss last phase has so much shit on the screen and it's all black, including the boss so it was really hard for me to recognize what was going on and keeping tracks of where the boss spawns.Maybe it's a tool/crest difference.
>>539166935>This happened to me too, thought I was hot shit piggybacking on a cockroach.Kek same. What to do next. I have been stuck in that putrid place and I already gave the guy his roaches
>>539167019I beat both with wanderer, so maybe. Final boss just has a lot of easier openings to exploit, and you can bait her in certain moves.
>>539167157>Final boss just has a lot of easier openings to exploit, and you can bait her in certain moves.That's true. You can't manipulate Karmelita and her openings are shorter.
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>>539166969Having to hold a directional button while pogoing is really throwing me off
>>539166983That's pretty neat.
>>539166680seth and the final boss kicked my shit in harder
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>>539167054There's not much to be doing in there.There might be a transition to another level hidden in the area but I didn't find it in my playthrough, I came in through the other side.
>>539167689
Which of the old kingdoms of Pharloom had it the best?>Warrior mentality hunter gatherers with a cute singing queen>Plants>Instant free housing and structures at the move of a hand from the king>Freedom in lush green lands
>>539167842
Isnt the gay mantis heart optional? It said objective was updated but but there was no objective to get it in the first place.
>>539167792Even checking the wiki there doesn't seem to be more to do. Not even boss? Whatever I'm out
>>539168168It counts for 3 potential hearts to use for the ritual. Not sure what happens if you do go there without doing the main ones, since I think it should be consumed by it, therefore it would be gone as a memento?
>>539168270Yes it's gone, but in its place is either Kragg's or Karmelita's heart as a memento
What do I do at the very bottom of the Underworks? There's a big door with loose bells and a voice but can't do jack shit. I'm fucking dreading the run back to a fast travel.
What's the deal with blue butterflies in Wormways?
>>539163860Beat him with the reaper, very few tools. Turns out getting eaten makes the fight a lot easier
Where do you get the item that shows your completion percent?
>>539169518There's a dude who you can find with a Wish involving them in the Wormways
>>539166509I find a lot of stuff by checking the flea map and thinking "where's the most retarded possible entry point to get to this guy?" and more often than not I'm right.
So what is laces problem with being an immortal lolibaba? Imagine all the sex she can have with her girlfriend.
>>539168073>>539167842>>539167689>>539167440>>539166983That's sick. It's crazy how many bosses Elden Ring has, honestly.
>>539148430no he's addressing an objectively dogshit player as hopeless because absolutely nothing in this game is dogshit designed and you are one thousand percent to blame for any and all issues you feel you have and i am not joking or exaggeratingwhinefags >>>>>>>>OUT
>>539169589Abyss, Weaver nest
What's the lore reason for Hornet being able to revive and retrieve her cocoon? Just her inherent nature as a demigod?
What's Seth's high scores so I don't have to do this shit again after he comes to Fleatopia?
>>539160851yeah it's a fantastic early game crest to help you learn how to play with the longer safer hitboxes and free silk back after you heal (that's extremely easy to farm earlier on especially with this weapon) and the super easy massive-hitbox pogo, but the further you get and better your skill develops the worse it is compared to alternativesi do think it's pretty damn good in some areas for the big huge upward sweep charge attack, that helped a lot in the lower parts of deep docks with the assloads of helmeted guys you can only hit from below and is great against flyers in general esp before you get double jump and/or grappling hook, and there's probably some decent memes you could do with it with the flea drink + silk-increasing tools and tons of silk skill/heal spam maybe, but overall i prefer every other crest after being a reaperfag for hours like ~2-10 or so of gameplay
Just finished the game, what did I think of it?
>>539170621Nta, but I think the Courier quest for the Gourmand sucked ass. Everything else is honestly fine and people are making a fuss over nothing.
>>539166983>>539167440>>539167689>>539167842>>539168073I haven't played Elden Ring, but are these actually bosses? 90% of them look the same / have the same name.
>>539165005godhome 2 except instead of adding 200+ hours of gameplay it adds 500 with 12 different difficulties for each boss half of which have one hit deaths and 20 different massive gauntlets each with 10 different ways you can nerf yourself for epic cheevos
>>539171369The more I think about it, the less I'm intimidated by that runLosing like 15 times to Last Guard prepped me for the hardest third of that pathProvided you know the route, you have a leeway of 3 hits before it becomes impossible to get there in time Now the Mount Fay courier can fuck off
>>539171302fucking game is full of bugs
>>539171469you fight multiple copies of several and there's many that are slight variants, because it's a massive game with shitloads of bosses absolutely everywherethere's plenty of variety imo but it is one of the few legitimate nitpicks i have for the game (moreso similar mini-dungeons than similar bosses tho) despite it being probably the best video game of the last decade
>>539172020You don't even need to dodge a single enemy until you get to the choral chambers, and then there's like a grand total of 2 enemies that don't move predictably that you'll need to dodge. I'm talking about the Blasted Steps route.Massive skill check, and if anyone's truly filtered by it they can just clear out the enemies and then do it at a leisurely pace.
>>539172349stop having completely rational opinions about elden ring, it's the gigaslop KILLING gaming and you should kill yourself as well
>>539171215Please respond, I've gotten 47 on Flea Juggle. Does he do 50?
>>539173664Brother... his scores are 55 juggle, 95 dodge and 68 bounce.I AINT DOING THIS SHIT AGAIN FOR A MEMENTO!
>>539172020I actually had less of an issue with the Lacquer quest than the Gourmand one simply because I wasn't on a time crunch. It's just that despite all the complaints about difficulty, the one and only thing that managed to actually piss me off was that damn Meat quest. Not even Bilewater got me anywhere close to as pissed off as I was doing that quest.
>>539174262You don't even have to dash most of the way for the rasher, the time limit is really lenient if you aren't getting hit by stuff. And it's a disgrace to Hornet if you're just bumbling into random enemies and terrain.
>>539174204>68 bounceSounds like hellThe others aren't too bad, but maybe I should switch crests for bounce
>>539174392>You don't even have to dash most of the way for the rasher, the time limit is really lenient if you aren't getting hit by stuff.You know the fucked up thing is that I was worried about this being the case, where the time limit is just to make you panic instead of actually being a risk, yet despite that I still ended up running the super sprint charm and psyching myself out. I'll have to keep this in mind next time I replay the game. I also heard that going through Exhaust Organ is way easier, but I wouldn't know.
When you 100% the game, do you unlock something like an arcade boss mode or boss rush? I just found out you can unlock permadeath mode by editing the save file, so I'm not sure if there's actually an arcade mode in the game.I don't want to spend 48 hours exploring just to find out
>>539174903You are describing what godhome was to hollow knight. So go sit on the waiting for DLC bench.
>>539170968Steel Soul is canon.
>>539170968Presumably the void influence in her due to being spawn of the Pale King
>Rush to the silkeater fuck in sinners road without caring about damage>SURPRISE NO SILK JUST VOID MASS>they blow my load on me before I have time to react>-1500 rosariesI almost forgot that team cherry are fucking bunch of sadists.
>>539175667The Pale King isn't void.
>Snare Grandma>Void starts to destroy the world>It's apparently on Hornet to fix everything again because the jew snails can only offer "yeah, sorry" in response >>539175729Can my deadbeat little brother get off his ass and calm his siblings down?
What happens to silkeaters in steel soul?
>>539176052Knight deserves his rest
>>539165804>>539166167there is a super secret npc encounter, that's the final location for a super secret quest, have fun climbing that shit up again
>>539175667Pale king is a god wyrm. Not a creature of the void. Knight and its siblings were made to host void. It wasnt in any shape or form inherited from Pale king.Hornet is a demigod with weaver bloodline. That alone makes them absolutely stacked. Likely including revival.
>>539176317Is it required for 100% or is it just a memento?
TROOOOBBIOOOOO 2 is making me hate TROOOOBBIOOOOO. I didn't think that was possible. The first fight was great, but this one cranks it up way too much. I swear there's some combinations of attacks that are just plain impossible to dodge.
>>539176456don't think so, but it is an achievement
>>539176235you can sell them. where that simp is, the one that makes silkeaters, there's a new npc that buys them instead
i spent like an hour on mount fay and cant get past this room for the life of me, I left and got the heat sword upgrade, im told it helps
>>539176656you must grapple the giant enemy fly
Im glad I full cleared the map to basically the max possible extent before leaving Act 2, these void enemies seem like a huge pain in the ass to play around while doing side quests.
>>539176517Nevermind, he clicked. Don't chase him too hard.Still think some attack combos are just bullshit.
>>539177180I was desperately hoping that clearing a sufficient number of those corpse clusters would prevent these assholes from getting inflicted with void. No such luck. Unless its the case that you need to get literally every single one on the map.. I get there are tendrils "everywhere", but sheesh.
It took the entire game, all the way to act 3, but I have finally, FINALLY completely run out of shards. Still got a bunch of shard bundles accumulated from throughout the game, but still, it finally happened, and I can officially no longer say that it never does.Where do you grind shards in act 3? Or rather, where do you grind rosaries for bundles? My quintet of elite knights near the final elevator are dead.
>>539177368What is a corpse cluster?
>>539177687There are like these bulbous masses of bug corpses clinging to the walls and ceilings in some areas. They'll shoot void at you.
>>539177258He isnt too bad once you get the hang on the explody trails or get too greedy and try to hit him in the air. I myself used Architect to power attack him whenever he came up from under the stage. Architect with poison and pin badge is just silly amounts of pure damage. Just got cucked by Watcher at the Edge. His HP pool is criminal for someone who also blocks more than 60% of your attacks
>>539177258The key to almost every hard boss is to just not move as such. The enemy's most lethal weapon isn't their sword or their magic, it's their big fat fucking dumper that they're twerking in your face and daring you to take contact damage against. Don't move as much and just let them do their huge screen crossing dashes into you.
>>539177802>The enemy's most lethal weapon isn't their sword or their magic, it's their big fat fucking dumper that they're twerking in your faceLace...
>>539177587Top left corner of citadel bench near high halls entrance, kill mobs on the right straight and reset.
I'm in Act 3 now>literally every enemy does 2 masks of damage now>have all become damage sponges tooHollow Knight is 10x better than this game. Silksong isn't bad by any means, but it's incredibly disappointing
Why does the music suck several cocks unlike Hollow Knight? The only memorable tracks are Lace's, Karmelita's, and Cogwork Core.
>>539178089I'm having a much better time because Hornet is so spritely and fast!t. dex user
>>539178089>literally every enemy does 2 masks of damage nowthis is my main nitpick in act 3>running to somewhere?>FUCK YOU TAKE 2 DAMAGE BECAUSE A SHITTER YOU COULDN'T SEE TURNED BLACK
>>539177802>The enemy's most lethal weapon isn't their sword or their magic, it's their big fat fucking dumper that they're twerking in your faceLugoli...
well its sunday, il play this game on friday when theres another round of nerfs
>>539176052>Can my deadbeat little brother get off his ass and calm his siblings down?Who do you think is riling them up?
>>539176317>have fun climbing that shit up againCan't you just use the shortcut?
>rosary gun fixedwe are SO BACK, kbchands!
Carmelita was way harder that LL
>>539178089>2 masksalways have been. it's just that 10 masks creates an illusion that "more" is better than "5", thus you think anything changed.>>539178402improved fast travel fixes that.
>>539176656Wow does flint heat you up? That's neat, real neat, especially as there's a part after that I don't think it's possible to not lose HP on between goes.But yeah you're not supposed to pogo em yer supposed to lance em.
>>539179523That's not how it works.
>>539179315she looks so awesome...
>>539179719Straight outta Deepnest
>>539179315This janky thing deserves some credit for the TROOOOBBIOOOOO kill. It's really good when he's just camping the opposite side of the room.
>>539179527i lance them but i cant get the final couple lances correct, either a jump too late and am no longer high enough to get to the next
Shaman seems neat had it come earlier in the game. Worked wonders for the juggling at least.
>>539112678I don't get it, just use speedrun strats it's nail and silk only since they dont have access to tools
Does craft bind reload the rosary gun?
>>539180462nope
What the hell? Only 11 threads so far? What happened to all the hype for this game? Is everyone bored of it already?
Do the bosses that don't kill you (Shakira, Scholar of the First Sin, dream niggas end your steel soul run?
>>539180626some people don't know about his general and are instead at indie general or spamming /v/. or just too busy playing the game because that's how good it is. and because rest is for the dead.
>>539180462i got the rosary canon without looking for it, can i cheese the game with it or not really?
>>539180626There's a lot of discussion on /v/, it's honestly a bit weird to have a general for a single player FOTM.>>539180802Kinda hard not to otherwise you'd have blown a key for a few rosaries ain't noone falling for that shit.
I HATE THE FLEASI HATE THE FLEASI HATE THE FLEASI HATE THE FLEASI HATE THE FLEAS
I can hear an item to the right of this shaft. How the hell do you get it? It's been bothering me for ages.
>>539181116I didI thought TC was being tricky and making you waste a key just to string rosariesGuess I gotta go back there when I get home
lace needs to be pinned down and bullied
Oh fuck. Um...now what? I can't track this.
>>539179490Other way around for me, but most people I've seen so far seem to generally agree that those are the two hardest bosses in the game right now.
>>539184009Hit it
>>539184009Hit her
>>539184123>>539184127Oh. kek
Around snails, ready your nails.
Sex with Sherma
gargle Sherma's bells
>>539180609>architect>cogflies>tacks>fractured mask>no poisonYou were so close to the peak "You didn't beat the game" screenshot, but you collapsed at the finish line
>barely any cool or funny art posted>barely any neat lore or story discussion>just an endless stream of people saying the game is unfair or asking really stupid questions over and overTwitter and reddit have better Silksong discussions.
did TC nerf the game or some bosses? i keep hearing that they did
>>539189206They nerfed Sister Splinter and Moorwing, as well as nerfed the damage of a bunch of environmental hazards.
Just finished Act 3, loved the game and now I can enjoy reading peoples tears about the difficulty. Also I assume everyone agrees it's a Yuri game right? Seemed too obvious by the end
>>539189678I'm not really a shipper, but they're kind of cute. Also... does getting the Act 3 ending lock your save or can you load back in and take care of stuff you didn't finish? I got needle upgrade 4 and kind of just want to rush the ending and then come back and take care of the straggler bosses later...
>>539189897You can continue playing your save no problem
>>539189897You can.But beware that the final boss is the hardest boss in this game (with karmelita), and nothing really comes close.
>>539188585that setup was to test rosary cannon. I finished the game as hunter.why does everyone call the weaver silkshot a railgun when it's clearly a laser akin to big servitor that fires "weavelight"?
>>539190039I don't know about the other variants but the mountain one is clearly a hitscan beam aka what we usually call a railgun since Q3. But maybe it's just a boomer thing.
>>539189678if only
Good LORD
Just 100% Hollow Knight base game + all DLCs except Godmaster stuff. Is it worth the time/effort to do finish it lore wise or should I just start Silksong?
>>539189678I don't think they'd actually enjoy being around each other at all, especially since it's implied that Lace is permanently stuck with the mind of a annoying child, and Hornet doesn't seem to like her at all outside of pitying her. That being said, Lace needs silk to live, Hornet is probably the only source of silk she has, and they're both probably immortal. You could really easily spin this as an incredibly toxic yuri relationship where Lace is literally dependent on Hornet's body to live and Hornet brat corrects her by making her behave for her silk.
>>53919045390% ass. No wonder she made Lace like that.
>>539190513I'd say give the first 3 or 4 pantheons a shot for sure if you like fighting bosses and getting new encounters. There is some lore but its not super vital. Pantheon 5 has a couple unique bosses too but its a sloggy ballbuster.
>>539190532>You could really easily spin this as an incredibly toxic yuri relationship where Lace is literally dependent on Hornet's body to live and Hornet brat corrects her by making her behave for her silk.Excellent, ship it
>>539190513It's not worth. You can do it later after Silksong.t. a dude who finished HK 2 weeks ago without pantheon 4/5 and just finished 100% Silksong yesterday.
>>539190582Don't really feel like chaining bosses right now (I was pretty pissed when I realized most dream bosses were balanced around having shade cloak, which I never got until after I got the first ending at 22-24h in). Guess I'll start Silksong tomorrow then.>>539190692Will do, thanks.
i'm in act 3 and still don't have access to the slab's upper floor, how the fuck do i get there?
are there missables in this game? i swear i combined the map but then i always find out something new.like a breakable wall or some elevator shenanigans
You guys play with dpad or joystick?
>>539190967You have to be a madman to play a 2D metroidvania with a pogo without dpad.
Hey do the goliath beetle thing reappear later in game? Because I kind of skipped it thinking Ibcould just fight it after opening the door he was ramming into but the dude just dissapeared.
>>539191090dpad is only for interaction or menu screen lmao
>>539190917Only missable are 2 boss fights (and their entries in the journal I suppose).>>539191157Yes it does don't worry. You can find 2 more later and you only need 2 to complete the bestiary.
>>539191157If you break the shopkeepers door he goes in there and you can fight him. But there are two other ones.
>>539190915You should beable to access that immediately, one key you don't get until you explore another part of the world but I don't believe that has anything to do with the "top floor"
>>539190607bratty fencer... needs dueling correction!!!
Juggle was the most tedious of all but Bounce was too hard with Hunter that I had to switch to Wanderer
>>539191282how? the only path available is this closed off shaft and a locked door with the word heretic on it
>>539189678I'm just glad she's alive. I wonder if she survives in the Weaver Queen ending and just ends up becoming Hornet's knight. That's kind of funny to think about. It seems to me that she wouldn't have much choice but to align herself with the new sole source of silk in the area given her unique physiology.
>Lace>Shakra>Eva>Second SentinelHornet has so many girlfriends...
>>539192083It's been awhile since I've been there so I can't remember exactly but I definitely explored everything other than 2 locked doors on my first trip. The "Top" would be the small snow / freezing section where you go from right to left with nothing interesting other than being a pass through room, I believe you entered from somewhere on the right side of the area
>>539192083(me)forgot the pic
>>539110057Nice win bitchboy. Do you also get to lvl 99 before fighting the final boss in an Atlus game?
Any tips for flea dodge? I did juggle and bounce in two tries but stuck on dodge for half an hour now.
>>539193057The fact that fleas don't do any contact damage or push you once they are done charging messes with my brain, I keep avoiding them even when they are safe to touch.
>>539193057>>539193206Okay got good rng and did it.
>>539193057Rng heavy.Tried for 30min, did less than 40 on every tries until I got one where I did 120.
>>539193709fucking whore
>>539192230man how the fuck did i miss this? i went into this room multiple times...
>>539194016It's an assuming corner of the room with a bunch of light on much more noticeable things. The eyes are drawn to the boards and the lore posted on them. It's clever.
I'm horny for Hornet.
Is it possible to miss a crest upgrade by binding Eva too early?
>>539194534No because the binding is the final reward. I guess.
>>539194534no
>>539194636>>539194670Okay, thanks!
>>539162431>Architect charged 130Wtf?
>>539162431>beast charged attack>52bro come the fuck on WHY WHY DOES IT SUCK SO MUCH AT EVERYTHING
I read "far fields" as "farfielf"
this is my favorite silk skill
>>539166680>Steel soul>8th attempt?
how do you fucking avoid lost garmond's void spikes attacki don't exactly have shadow dash
am i close to finishing the game with all this unlocked
>>539195274My guess is that a death in the Eulogy dream realm doesn't count as a real death?
>>539194897He likes them big
>>539195274Like HK, you don't die against a boss in the dream world
>>539195287Not even close.
PSA that deflecting an enemy projectile instantly makes it so it can't hurt you. It doesn't matter which trajectory it takes, or even if it doesn't change direction at all. You hit it, it's harmless.>>539194897To be fair, that does mean all seven hits hitting. A glancing hit on a moving enemy will do a lot less. Gotta hit that drill dead-on. It's probably not actually right either. 13x7 is not 130.
>>539195278It's a shit fight and the key is to constantly switch side. You don't want to stay too long in the same fight cause he is gonna overlap his 2 void attacks and hit you. And you don't want him to be in a corner either.You can safely pogo him on all his attacks. Worst case scenario you get a parry if he does his up attack slashes. Never stand in front of him.
bilewater has single handedly ruined the game forme
>>539195287Hell no. >>539195278The buzzsaw tool cheeses him.
>>539195469>You don't want to stay too long in the same fight* in the same side>>539195469it needs a rebalance and it's the worst area in the game (shame it has one of the best theme). You can avoid it until the end of act2 when you are much stronger. There is a charm that protects you against the maggots and the arena fight is trivial with cogfly.Exploring the area is much easier once you have double jump.
>>539195630second part one of this post is for >>539195492obviously
Theory: everyone's getting fucked by Groal because no one uses clawline in combat
>>539195630i dont know where i am in the act, i got to the citadel and have one of the songs, i have the hivesteel needle, i have 8 masks, i feel like I *should* be able to beat it, but this runback is fucking cancer
>>539195702Graol was never the problem.It's the runback and the gauntlet with enemies having weird movements + the fact that you can do it early but you definitely should not if you are struggling.
>>539195492The worst thing about bilewater is that there's no good rewards in there.Like, in DS1 i regularly just plunge into Blighttown right after starting a new run because it contains a bunch of good soul consumables, great club and power within. Why the fuck would i even go to bilewater willingly?
>>539196005Because for some reason Seeker's Soul is needed for Act 3 and the only way to get it is beating Groal
I swear Silksong makes me hate almost every optional boss I find.Father of Flame? Adds, flying, no silk regenSignis and Gron? Adds, environment, phase 2 adds a bossConchfly? Adds, flying, long and dangerous platforming runbackGroal? Adds, flying, environmentNot once did I think "Wow, I want to try that again" after finding them.
>>539196376>Hating the kino Signis and GronGit gud. The adds were only against one boss anyway, and were free silk. I beat with them 6 masks and one needle upgrade which I believe is the weakest it can be done.
>got past phase 2 of lost lace in 2 tries>die to the gigantic fucking mass of void
>>539196548>i beat it undergeared therefore the fight is goodk
>silkshots were made for when weavers would run low on silk>silkshots require silk to fireno wonder they were enslaved and exterminated
>>539196340>for some reasonIts because its a Snail Shaman. Thats the whole reason Groal uses soul attacks. The Shaman went to ally with the swampkin against the citadel and they just killed him and took his power.
>>539196638If it was bullshit how did I do that undergeared? I didn't even cheese it. Just used longpin
>>539196638I beat it normal geared and thought it was one of the better fights for sure
>>539196638NTA but its good regardless, its a satisfying duo.>>539196649You always generate passive silk so its never a problem.
>>539196376Father of Flame's a gimmick flight. It doesn't fly, or move at all. The adds aren't actually adds, they're just an attack. One of two entire attacks the boss has, in fact.Signis has limited adds, and not very many. The environment is barely a factor, just don't touch the walls. Phase 2 adds a Gron because phase 2 is a dual fight. They're very simple enemies on their own. Conchfly has none of the usual issues with flight. It hovers in place and doesn't dodge your attacks. The adds aren't actually adds, they're just an attack. It's much easier and faster to just climb up from Blasted Steppes than to use the Sands bench.Goral is shit, but IIRC the adds are part of the gauntlet leading to him. He doesn't summon more adds on his own. But he's shit.
>>539196376>flameI found him to be interesting and unique despite being weak and simple>deep docks duemeh, forgettable. felt like a gauntlet>conchflybretty gud>groalyeah the path to him and gauntlet were both shit. boss himself is alright with interesting succ ability
>>539196724>I didn't even cheese it.>Just used toolslol, lmao even
>>539196376>Conchfly>addsThey're just part of the attacks to dodge, you dont have to fight them. So many of you guys are just crybaby bitchboys who screech about the game being unfair and unfun.
Hornet wandered into a bunch of literal children playing around in the lecture hall and killed them all. Hornet, what the fuck.
>>539196724You don't seem to comprehend the difference between difficult and annoying.>Adds, environment, phase 2 adds a bossThis is annoying. I prefer mostly 1v1 skill checks like TLJ, not surprise bosses in phase 2 with lava walls.Father of Flame is easy as piss but it doesn't mean that fight isn't an annoying design.
>>539196376None of these were an issue and I enjoyed all of them, especially Signis and Gron.
>>539196937I didn't find it annoying. I found it kino. 2nd only to the cogwork dancers so far.
>>539196862>Conchflythat is unfun doh. are you a masochist?
>>539196937I agree that there's a bunch of unfun stuff in this game. None of those guys, though.Except Goral and his runback. Fuck that.
>>539190453I want to FUCK that bug
>>539162547Alternate Act 3 where Hornet gets scooped into the Abyss and you have to play as Lace to rescue her, culminating in fighting Hornet Who is Finally Void.
>>539196773>IIRC the adds are part of the gauntlet leading to him. He doesn't summon more adds on his own.Technically he does but they despawn after they attack so it's more of an attack than actual adds, like Conchfly.
>>539197194>Lace watches her shitty mom and her stupid replacement get taken to the void and has a laugh>Immediately realizes that she's going to die without silk and has to go save HornetEh, it could work, but it definitely doesn't work as well.
>>539195492Since you know that no other area will be as good?
>>539197037>Conchfly>unfunGod I'm glad I dont have shit taste like some of you people. I bet you didnt even grab the nice shortcut 2 screens before it.
I think I fucked up>bought the key>opened the door in mosshome>left>went to sinner's road>got another key>went to open the farfield simple door>now the mosshome door has closed
>>539197178You're fine with Raging Conch's but not Groals?
>>539197509Simple key doors dont close so this sounds like a skull issue.
Squirrms don’t move out of the way when they stand on tacks huh
>>539197572Raging Conch doesnt have a problematic runback unless you're dumb as dogshit. Just go from the fast travel bench.
>>539197581that one is closed. and i can't open it again
The map feels disjointed as fuck. There's no sense of biomes and environments naturally forming an ecosystem the way it worked in HK. It almost feels like DS2 where different wildly thematically clashing areas are mashed together.
>>539197678>lava and bone on the bottom layers>Citadel polluting the areas beneath it>Far Fields sustained by KarmelitaI dunno it all makes sense to me. The only weird thing is where is the Greymoor "rain" coming from?
>>539197678They added too many open areas in act 1 which made zero sense
>>539110309>optional boss>get the opportunity to choose your difficulty by beating it early or late>opt to autistically smash your head against a wall>babyrageJesus christ I get why game devs hate gamers now.
>>539197572Yea, easily. Runback from the bench by the Blasted Steps bellway, not the one in Sands. You wall jump up a few rooms, dash jump across another room, there, you win. It's not hard, long, or involved. >>539197509There's no simple key door in Farfield, and unlocked doors don't re-lock. You seem a little confused.
What percentage of bosses in Silksong would you say are at least as difficult as Nightmare King Grimm or harder?
>>5391980252 out of 40 so 5%.
>>539198005Right, it's in deep docks, the area with lava. Doesn't change fact that I had two keys and this one closed on me and can't open back up
>>539198025Karmelita and Lost Lace. That's about it. Even then, they might be easier.
>>539196005I want that fucking gun.
>>539198025zero. he is harder than all.
>>539196937>prefers skill checks>got hit skill checked by the lava brothers>screechesjust accept you're unskilled lol
>>539197310It would require a different story where Hornet convinces Lace to ally with her against Granny. Then you fight Granny with Hornet and Lace, but then Lace gets knocked the fuck out and Hornet gets scooped. That's how I picture it anyway.
>>539197782>The only weird thing is where is the Greymoor "rain" coming from?Citadel bathwater.
>>539198058>>539198181>>539198390So what do people mean when they say Silksong is harder than Hollow Knight?
i did it guys i beat the fucking bilewater boss after like a million fucking hours im not gonna quit now its okay
>>539198669more enemies and bosses that do 2 hearts of damagefaster and more mobile enemies and bossesmore demanding platformingbut on the flipside Hornet has way more mobility, a superior heal, and oodles of tools at her disposal, so it balances out if you know how to use them all, it just asks more of the player to get good
>>539198669Because 99% of Hollow Knight bosses are a joke, the game isnt hard outside of NKG and some endgame stuff. Silksong is harder but you ALSO have a bunch of absolute trash shitters who try to facetank things without adapting and blame the game, you can see plenty in these threads.
>>539196696how the hell do you guys make this stuff up lmao
fuck. missed my chance to talk to shermale in the bath. decided to check out the area before talking and exited the room so sherma decided the wander off
>>539198868>make this stuff upAre you fucking stupid or have you not done Act 3 yet? Hell, the Caretaker tells you this in Act 2 when you bring him the item.
>>539198608>The bugs of Greymoor are tasked to collect silk from runoff Citadel bathwaterNice
>>539198159That's fucking weird. Submit a bug report, I guess.
>>539198868the snail shaman soul is literally surrounded by jars of soul energy like what the Soul Sanctum was doing, Groal just stole his power and used it to learn how to barf magic missiles
>>539198868Did you miss the body of the strung up snail shaman? Did you not talk to anyone after killing Groal? Have you still not beaten the game yet?
>>539196005Longclaw
>>539199056Thats putrefied ducts, which is better to do first anyways because it also has the maggot repeling charm.
>>53919905610% range, absolutely not needed
>>539197985>optional bosshow do you know it's optional? unless you're using a guide, you don't know what is and isn't optional so save yourself the effort and do everything possible. bosses in videogames usually have vital upgrades or skills behind them, so they're top priority to do.>get the opportunity to choose your difficulty by beating it early or latewhy fight the boss then? if you leave everything for later while you collect all the upgrades then everything will be easy as piss and there'll be no challenge. beastfly can be fought 3 or 4 hours into the game, the difficulty should be appropriate for how much progress or upgrades the average player likely has.
>>539199056That's in Putrified Ducts.
>>539198849HK taught bad habits with pogo abuse, facetaking, heal abuse, dashing through enemies.>Diagonal down slash prevents pogo abuse>2 mask damage prevents face tanking>Heal requires "full" silk prevents heal abuse Then you get retards switching to subpar crests to have a HK down slash, try to abuse it, and get their shit pushed in. You get idiots face tanking and not being able to heal. The devs already mitigated all these by encouraging you to fight differently via speed & mobility (stop pogo abusing), and to give you a midair 3-mask heal. Not to mention broken fucking tools to help you with phase 3. If you play this game like HK, it's harder. If you play this game like silksong, it's easier.
>>539198870>Missed the hornet sherma ss bath sceneJust start a new save
>>539199141>wanderer>subparyou don't know
>90+ minutes at Lost LaceAhhh time for a break
>>539199056There's a better way to reach longclaw that doesn't involve going into bilewater whatsover>>539199125It's the most powerful direct combat upgrade because any extra range completely changes how you interact with these walking shitboxes they call enemies. In particular, it supercharges Wanderer and makes it the best crest in the game.
>>539199195>1 redIts mid
>>539199141wanderer is literally superior to every other crest
How 2 cheat?
>>539199130Mouthbreather. I went to hunters march first and there were a million fucking warning signs to tell you that this place is hard. >Platforming was a difficulty spike>Ant enemies were a difficulty spike>Map lady HELPS YOU FIGHT A GAUNTLETI noped the fuck out of there after that. If you couldn't read the writing on the wall then you're unironically a dumbass
>>539199232>1 redIt's honest
>>539199258Poison cogflies
>>539199208that's what I thought when I reached the 90 minute markbut then i didn't take a break, and then i won
>>539196937>You don't seem to comprehend the difference between difficult and annoyingNeither do you. Just because a boss tests a different skill set than the one you prefer doesn't make it an annoying boss. Dumb and Dumber each have exactly two moves and you need to rapidly react to how they unpredictably interact. It's a good fight that iterates on this concept three times within the same fight:>phase 1 has adds that are less predictable, but can be quickly killed by exploiting how easy it is to knock down Signis>phase 2 introduces an add that is more predictable, but doesn't die>phase 3 replaces the dead brother with an environmental hazard that is even more predictable, but makes it more difficult to dodge the remaining brother's two movesIt's a well-designed fight that's appropriately challenging for when you're likely to do it. The only annoying thing is being knocked into the lava by bad luck on phases 1 and 2.
>>539199195>>539199241You haven't beaten the game yet lmao. You'll sing a different tune later.
>>539199208I kept telling myself "just one more try" and I did that for 30 minutes until I won.
>>539199363I'm afraid you're mistaken
>>539198669Silksong is harder than Hollow Knight on average, the only difficult stuff in Hollow Knight was, like, two fights in the base game, path of pain, and the DLC. Silksong obviously doesn't have DLC, but it's quite difficult depending on how willing you are to learn how to play the game.Silksong also has a lot more hype behind it, meaning retards feel obligated to play it and get filtered.
>>539199363I have 100% chevos retard, every attack gives same silk and dmg no matter the crest so attack speed is king. Also random crits for more dmg. Poison cogflies are the only thing u need anyway if u want tools.Its fine if ur bad, but godhome taught me how to actually avoid contact dmg properly.
>>539199130>how do you know it's optional?The fact that there's a bunch of other ways you can go. Even it turns out the hard boss is blocking actual progress, going other ways first will make you stronger and hopefully more skilled, making it easier. That's how metroidvanias work. >why fight the boss then?For fun, challenge, get stuff earlier. >beastfly can be fought 3 or 4 hours into the game, the difficulty should be appropriate for how much progress or upgrades the average player likely has.Why? If it's too hard, leave and come back latter. Or, if you think you're up to the challenge, press on. There's nothing wrong with either approach.
If you are good at the game isn't the wanderer crest the most dps?
>>539199535I think its probably Beast or Architect (if you use the pinstress charm for fast charge attacks)
>Silksong bosses are better!>Most act 3 bosses are on the warrior dreams tierThis is disappointing really
>>539199363Attack speed is king as that other anon said
>>539199502I just got wanderer. I'm torn. I love the SHAW d-slash but I also like speed. The range concerns me
>>539199597Factually incorrect
Why does Hornet not say a single one of her HK voice lines in Silksong?
>>539199626wanderer is just HK with quick slash but less range, except the range hardly matters once u get good
I beat this one on the first attempt. Am I not supposed to do that?
>>539199758its just radiant copy
>>539199758she is piss easy. in fact it makes me wonder if I should get a particular ending which is harder than others.
>jannies have officially started banning Silksong discussion on /v/It begins, the fate of all video game discussion on the video game board. I've seen it too many times. Too many times...
>>539199758nah she's pretty easy, they probably made her easy on purpose to make it more obvious she's not the real final boss
>>539199706She's still got "Galama!" It's even used the same way, as a challenge, which is kino. It was still a big missed opportunity to not have her spout some of her lines for silk skills or something, though.>>539199758A lot of people say she's pretty easy. I disagree, but I guess it was true for you too.
>>539199853I dont understand why people even go to that board anymore
>>539199853>"comfy" "discussion"They gave them enough time of 2 weeks
>>539199758She's like how the Hollow Knight wasn't actually that difficult. She's meant to be a cool narrative thing with a bit of tension attached.
Why are there only like 3 large bosses that take up a lot of the screen? Why are most of the bosses humanoids?
>>539199843>>539199850>>539199876>>539199897>>539199954I meant it more as "Was I supposed to do something else that avoids this fight"? The game jus ended and I didn't get to the so called Act 3.
reddit found that they left mouse cursor one of the cutscenes
>>539199276NTA Nothing there is hard enough to assume you are not meant to fight the bastard. And because there are no HP bars you can't guess if you nearly downed the bastard guarding the worst fucking Crest in the game.Overall, you can get to the zone disgustingly early. I went Tutorial Boss > Travel Beast > Lace > Fourth Chorus > Savage Beastfly which I died to more than all the others combined. I did actually manage to kill it before heading up to Graymoor by power of bashing my damn head against it and getting the Spike Bundle + Crafting Kit so it could one shot the Beastflies/nearly one shot the fat fuckers that block me from moving.All that said I don't really bitch about it, and the runback is really short from the bench under it. It IS an optional boss, the issue is me being unable to give up once I know it's there.
>>539200013I don't know what triggers Act 3 specifically but as far as I know it involves doing a lot of sidequests and especially helping the fleas, the real ticket to Act 3 will eventually appear on a wish wall.
>>539199942I mean, the threads were entirely on-topic and about video games, with basically no degeneracy like other FotM media which will not be named. Honestly, the threads for the first week were some of the better on-topic threads in recent memory, but whatever.I'm just saying it's a retarded moderation policy to banish games to die on what is basically the gacha board at this point for the crime of... being good video games that garner regular discussion.
>>539200070Okay, thanks.
>>539199897>Higale! >Adieno! >SHAW!It would've been nice.
>>539200019that's fucking funny, it's filtered like everything else so it blends into the embers
>>539200113Higale belongs on thread storm and I won't be convinced otherwise. Shaw on the needle throw, but it might be egregious to put the meme line right at the start. The dash move might be better.
>>539200019THE FUCKING MOUSE CURSOR IS ON FIRE LMAO
>>539200265recorded footage of Silksong being uploaded to Steam servers
>>539200013kill lace and use terminus elevator to go back backdo all quests on boardsfind all fleas?eventually the shrine guy will wave at you and give a final questI'm not sure what has to be done for the last line
>>539200396You don't have to find all fleas but you do have to move them to their final stop.
was pharloom build after water run out blasted steps/sands of dune?
I did the courier lacquer quest in act3 and it was quite frankly a lot easier than expected
>main bosses having refights like in HK>more bosses that take up most of the screen like fourth chorus>last boss should have been fighting both simultaneously as the last phase>less fetch quests>something like white palace and path of pain thoughSome of these things will be in the DLC but its unfortunate that they weren't in the base game especially since the game took so many years to come out. Still had a lot of fun with the game though.
>need to do courier rasher for pale oilI'm just gonna have to give up on upgrading this needle aren't I
>>539200597You can do it!
>>539200478it was either built after the water ran out or Pharloom stole all the water
>>539200557Of the Silksong bosses that we didn't get re-fights for, which would you hope and see as feasible in the DLC. I wouldn't mind if we were able to explore the memories a bit more and maybe we got a rematch against Widow and First Sinner.
>>539200597Nigga just bruteforce it. If you can spend an hour on a boss you can waste an hour on this shit.
>>539200597Go from Gourmand to Bellhart, killing all "people" enemies along the way, don't use any benches. With most of the enemies dead, just carefully run back.
>>539200597Get more movement options first. They make it so, SO much easier, and some of the other ingredients outright require them, so you're not getting the oil without them anyway.
>>539200668>>539200754I'm on act 3The enemies are more annoying and some of the platforms are gone
>>539200557>>something like white palace and path of pain thoughcogworkds and a secret area above the cradle
>>539200597It's not that bad, if you're well and truly having trouble, come back when you've got Double Jump as it substantially shortens the route. Also if you're having trouble with enemies you can always clear the route of most enemies and as long as you don't sit on a bench they stay dead (there are exceptions like the explosive flowers in Shellwood or the little bats in Choral Chambers).
>>539198962>>539197509Now I remember. I let out a prisoner in sinner's road which consumed the key and I must have not saved after I got into the mosshome door
>>539200798Oh. Well, uh, I dunno then. Pre-clear the route I guess.
>>539200798> Act 3 RasherThat does sound rather painful, good luck, I did Forgebrothers in Act 3 and it was infuriating.
>>539200597harpoon and double jump are a must. get them, take rasher and kill everything in path. you failed? walk back, take rasher again AND don't bench so enemies don't respawn. note that wild bugs do respawn so don't bother with them. I did it with one and a half bar remaining. after all, you need double jump for some of the ingredients anyway.
>>539200809Still not as bad as Path of Pain. Difficult but not as demanding.
>>539200809The secret area is like a mini path of pain I guess? But still disappointing that they couldn't have given us a true path of pain successor especially since it was over 6 1/2 years after the original trailer. Is Team Cherry really that against getting more people to work on the game with them? Would the quality of their games drop if it was more than just 3 of them?
>enter act 3>enemies that took 2 hits now take 5I don't like this. Very fucking lame. It making some changes to the map is pretty cool though.
>>539201070Some enemies now have 150 hp the equivilence of minibosses.
>>539201070There isn't no real re-exploration which makes the idea of void enemies pretty lame
>>539200031>you can't guess if you nearly downed the bastarddoes he not have phases?>hard enoughyou do you man. the game nudges you into a preferred direction.
found some ebin economy strat in act3 that doesn't involve haxkill crawfather and get bellinstall bell to my big bellturn off audio, sit on bench, alt tab and do other shitfree shards and rosaries from magpiesyet to find out how much I get per hour tho
This fucking loadout allow me to first-second try most act 3 bosses , actually disgusting.
>>539201446Why the wall grip?
>finally got to karmelita>"i get it now".jpegif only you don't have to do the pointless gauntlet before her, she'd be perfect. she took me 10 tries, probably my favorite boss so far.
>>539201598allow me to stick to wall mid fight to inject myself with drugs for quick heal/craft gears
>>539201446>blue blood>extra healing instead of poisonare you really going for lame +6 masks instead of full Safe and Effective™ experience? kinda gay if you ask me.
>>539201679I'm using regen so I can focus silk soley for crafting/firing off railgun
>>539201679fyi you get hiveblood but better (it fully regen your entire health) if you inject yourself 9 times
is there a way to change your silkshot? i got the lame one from forge daughter.
>>539201839yeah that's what I'm saying. the full Safe and Effective™ experience that only the architect gets. and maybe others because I think wormways has 2 big big cocoons.
>>539201950nope. maybe it will get updated because everyone is asking for it.
>>539201970the other class can get it but you have to go back to one area to activate everytime rendering its too fucking annoying to be effective
>>539149250So what, am I playing the game on hard mode by using Reaper in Act 3 then? At this point I'm completely immersed in the delay downswing, I don't think I could time anything else correctly anymore
>>539201950Start over
I played architect for too long that I dont even switch to reaper for parkour anymoreThe pogo isnt bad atleast you arent thrown foward like hunter , you just hit what 45 degree below you(Pogo is kinda redundant late game once you got all the movement abilities anyways)
>>539202053Reaper is a safe choice , but the dps leave much to be diserable unlike architect/hunter/wanderer/shaman/witch reaper don't really have a "go ape shit" kitTrue ending boss LL have the most health of any bosses in the game good luck.
>an underwater section?>I wonder what team cherry is going to cook up for this!Another fucking gauntlet and boss.
i'm a shitter and i can't make architect works, i need to heal too much that i have no silk to reload my tools. the crest's moveset is also abysmal.
>>539201950Forge daughter one arent the worst , just edit your save file to give yourself one more ruined tool and craft metal>>539202304Architect meta build relies on plasmium regen to heal themselves this is more viable on act 3 where you get the reserve for infinite coca- plasmium
>>539166756Thanks for reminding me about that place. I still need to check it out.
>>539199130>how do you know it's optional?Very few things are required in this game, it's literally designed around the idea that you have 20 other options to try if you're struggling with anything in specific, 10 of those will give you loot that will make your next attempt easier, and 5 of those are secrets that unlock a huge chunk of the map by temporarily skipping a boss. You're just being autistic about this.
>>539166935>piggybacking i like this word over poggo ing
>>539201348I mean. Not really? Sometimes he just drops a summon on me phase 1 but rarely. He gets a bit faster too/summons more but there are no "big" transitions.
Just decided to backtrack to clean up some of the first areas and they really put a Skarrgard with a flying add that dodges you and throws spears at you in a room the size of a phone booth? Fucking annoying. When will devs learn that shit is annoying? Tossing in annoying little adds that exist to fuck with you is not an enjoyable way to increase difficulty. The boss enemy is already harder because of how small the room is.
>>539180123When harpooning an enemy Hornet bounces very high on her own, and trying to press jump actually ruins it. Noticing this made the movement much more consistent.
>mount fayget me out of this frozen hellhole!
>>539202907Did you die in a game that's expected to kill you? Egads! The horror. >Option 1: run back and try again (perhaps with a different approach)>Option 2: explore elsewhere (with the possibility of gaining a new tool or getting stronger)>Option 3: alt tab, find a forum to complain about to mitigate frustration (this will not beat the enemy)Pick.
>>539203320is the correct answer 3? i think it is 3
>>539202282its a cut content that got downsized to the gauntlet and a boss
>>539202282it's also the longest and most annoying gauntlet in the game. flying enemies are so shit man...
is hornet's default walking speed slower than the knight?
>>539160850I didn't care for this. Same fucking drawn out thing over and over.>jump>claw grip>double jump to wall>we're getting higher up now with few reset platforms, hope you got consistent!>oops hit a spike because you were too high>nope, too low>whoops, jumped too far for the claw grip and pulled yourself into the wall>oh no, your micro timing input caused you accidentally to double jump off the first wallYes I'm bitching, a bit of variety wouldn't have hurt. At least with junkie regen you can avoid starting from the very beginning.
>>539199276NTA but I went through Hunter's March first and then explored Deep Dock from the Hunter March exit. I was pretty satisfied with the difficulty
>>539203320Posts like these will look increasingly delusional as more people trickle into late act 2, and act 3, and reach consensus that the game is indeed incredibly annoying the entire time.
Surely injecting this much plasmium can't be healthy
>>539132728It was in HK as well if you view the Radiance infection as symbolic of a religious revival sweeping the kingdoim, she was worshipped by the moths at the start after all
>>539202263I guess its not all that different from the way I played ER just using the biggest swords I could find with no summons, spells or weapon art changing because I was too comfortable unga bunga-ing
>>539203758If moorwing filtered these casuals so hard teamcherry nerfed it, they'll quit the game before end of act 2
>mount fay>freeze in the lake a couple of times and lose beads>finally a benchare you fucking kidding me?
>>539204109You did save your rosary necklaces, didn't you?
>>539204109damn troll situation. there were 69 beads in the room. i'm sure that team cherry knew these situations would happen
>>539204105i can't believe moorwing filtered some people. i don't even remember his fight, but i do remember fighting him. he was so unremarkable.
>>539203320>>539203758Most bosses are designed in a way where they'll have a surprise mechanic that will most likely cheaply kill you the first try. It is annoying.At some point it's better to just play defensively and get an idea of the boss's moveset and phases on the first try without spending shards, then die and come back with full silk and actually go for a kill.
>>539204109You're dying in the first section? To WATER?! Godspeed, handicapped anon.
>2 nail upgrades later, Im finally doing enough extra damage that enemies are consistently taking 1-2 less hits to die, for the first fucking time in almost 50 hours of gameplay>Act 3 starts and so many enemies now have buffed HP that all that progress is lostSame kind of "what's the point" feeling of Elden Ring where after beating Morgott all the enemies get buffed so hard you have to have softcapped stats just to recover the relative durability you had back in Limgrave.
>new boss encounter>get wrecked so hard I go into learning mode>practice till I can consistently do phase 1>"ok, now I think I can use my tools">kill the boss without tools while barely getting hitThis was my act3 in a nutshell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxwbZsL14Y>announced 6 years ago>DLC in 2-6 yearshave faith, red spiders.
>>539204741To be fair, this happens as you were getting those first two upgrades too. It felt like at certain points, enemies in new areas would all have double HP compared to the previous areas and you'd be right back where you started.
I just got to Mount Fay. Am I missing some item to deal with this mechanic or do I need more health or is it just a git gud situation?
>>539205017git gud. just look up a guide to figure out the correct path to save yourself time and frustration. the platforming is still a skill check and guides won't help you with that.
>>539203320Guy you responded to. I disagree that 3 is unhelpful. Venting about obnoxious shit helps. I like the game but this way of making something hard has been a pet peeve of mine in other games before. It gives me capra demon flahsbacks.
>>539205017you get the item to deal with that mechanic there
>>539205017There are beacons located periodically around the mountain that ward off the cold. Your job is to sprint between them fast enough to not die.
>>539205017>>539205094and pro tip:suicide at each bench for silkdo not press jump after clawlining an enemy, let clawline naturally bounce you for full height
>killed judge>died from the explosionis this a joke?
>>539205017git gud by spamming harpoon at everything all the time. weave light will give you enough silk to spam it cuz silk regen. my biggest motivation was sherma's singing because it's atrocious. fuck that bench.
>>539205017git gud, the level is designed to be done in short bursts going from heat source to heat source
>>539205223Silksong is the king of cheap deathsTLJ is only the beginning
I'm realizing just how much more was involved around the Pale King compared to Silk in terms of characters and factions.
>>539205412You should compare Silk to Radiance, not paleking.Silk is not interacting directly with the people of pharloom, she is behind the cult but that's all, very few people know about her existence (the snails and lace).
>>539205223I'm amused every time I read shit like this because the moment I saw her shaking and glowing I knew to gtfo. meanwhile people like you just stand next to her and fucking die. buckle up for act2 when you finally enter the citadel!
>freeze to death attacking a breakable wall>come back>bench right behind the wallnot even mad
>Mount Bullshit>go left>no way up past the two floating spike guys>go right>start dying after 10 secondsI guess I should go spend my rosaries somewhere now so I don't lose my mind when I inevitably can't get to my corpse in time.
>>539205728perhaps but even still there's no equivalent to the five warriors of Hallownest, the lesser tribes aren't as present as the moths, mantids and weavers were.
I 100% the game and suddenly I have an urge to play pp. what the fuck is wrong with me?
>>539206362Pyramid Plunder? Go get those thieving gains
well, got up the mountain and the top surprise got me. i wouldn't have put it beyond tc to have a fight up therei'm going to have to repeat this climb a bunch of times for 100%, aren't i?
How the fuck are people having trouble on Mount Fay? Clawline does it all for you
>>539206761probably just narrowly missing a bug and even if you manage to recover you will freeze because of it. i fucked up a bunch of times when i didn't wait 2 seconds for silk to recover before jumping from a ring
>>539206761Mount Fay is all about taking a left turn instead of a right turn and dying because the course is a giant unbroken chain of leaps of faith where you have to guess where the next geometry is behind the screen transition, and the timer means any wrong guess is death.
>>539206743spoiler: there is no fight. play the needle and a giant cool bug will swoop in to sing along.
>>539207224>and the timer means any wrong guess is death.Artificial. Difficulty.Say it, anons.
The game teaches you about the blind jump from the early game because they really had no variance in level designs so it always works
>>539206761lack of ascendant's grip and weave light to spam harpoon. what I also discovered, after the mountain of course, is that dashing while clinging will move me upwards and if edge is reached I will perform a jump as if I was standing at the very edge. the dash thing is very useful in bilewater which I realied on for flea fetch quest and, again, I didn't know about it while clearing the area the first time.
>>539205102Just about beat the boss and got pushed out of the room because the door doesnt close.
>>539207573>>539207224You do know if you're unsure you can just return to the last warm source right?
>>539208245We both know that is frequently not possible.
>>539208309I really didn't have much issue going through the entire mountain
>>539206743The things of note on the mountain are a mask shard after another platforming course inside the mountain (you can't reach it right now) and a tool after a bossfight on the mountain cliffside.
>>539207746>weavelightthis and having a second silkheart. since harpooning an enemy instantly refunds 1 silk if you are out of silk, i often forgot to wait those 3 seconds when jumping from rings or towards walls and end up gracefully falling to my death
>>539208485>having a second silkheart.can you even get a second one early enough to hit the mountain?
>>539208672Whiteward boss.
>>539205102Eh when I fought last judge I updated her twice. Wasn't frustration, more so I like the boss and had to learn the mechanics. Won on my 8th attempt.
>>539208432Where is the Mount Fay boss? Act 3 shit?
steel soul mount fay sounds like fun times
>>539209251Yes, Act 3 shit. The wish is at Bellhart board. You fight the Pinstress and beating her gives you a tool to charge Needle Strike faster.
>>539209578I have never once used charge attacks. The things I do solely for 100% completion...
>>539205223
>>539209429once u learn the fact that you have to clawline everything and not pogo ever its smooth and takes like 4mint. did it with 0 quit loads
>>539208672it's possible to do lace 2 without ever getting double jump. high halls will be aids incarnate though.
It would be neat if you had some means of storing extra silk in spools. Sort of like how you can store shards and rosaries.
>>539210234The entire resource management system is so ass i would gladly take your solution too.
>>53920971990% of charge attacks are garbage and they even removed soul gain from them. The charm exists purely for Architect, whose charge attack is better than any spell or special in the game
Act 2 final boss was way cooler then Act 3 final boss. Also what's up with Silk having no contact damage? Makes the fight way too easy.
>>539211047silk is large and in the background like radiance so there's no contact damage. if there was then you'll always be bumping into her
Does everyone just like singing whenever Hornet plays or are they actually being forced to sing by her?
>>539213502She is mind controlling them.
>>539213502My belief is that hornet isn't controlling them, but it's the playing of the silk itself that has some divine power. Seems reasonable considering how you can call dead spirits and open ancient weaver doors.
I HATE YOU
>>539215503>those tools
>>539215904>look at him using the second best setup>he should've used the best one like me, i'm such a game
>>539192130Considering she actively wants to die because her life is a cruel joke, probably not y'know
i nearly cried
>>539216230>>539215503>>539215904lmao i went through the entire game barely using tools and now seeing everyone copying the same meta builds is so sad
>>539216521I pretty much exclusively use the fan knives because Hornet is a ninja. The bomb is also pretty good.
>>539216493why, hes just tired
>>539196883Consider the following your honor: She cute
>>539215503but the boss was super hot though so it was okay
>>539216521>the same meta buildif 95% of charms weren't awful or situational at best it'd helpthere's only 4 or 5 good blue trinketsdon't think you're so superior for using the equivalent of a simple nail build in hk, again, millions of people did the same, you're not that guy
>>539216521Everyone uses the meta tools because once you get deep into act 2 the others stop pulling their weight relative to their cost and there's sections where the game really really wants you to spam them.
I'm in Act 3 and I'm not loving it. Should I bumrush the 2 remaining 'hearts' so that I can be done with this?
The only tools I used were the spikey throwable, then the flame rock, then the volt spear and nothing else.
>>539216610I used the fan knives too until I got the Shakra's ring then I swapped to that just for the power of friendship
>>539217115>>539217038I finished the game, no idea what you're talking about, what's a simple nail build?
>>539204109I feel like scuttlebrace has a lot of potential but kinda lacking with my slow assmillennial reaction times.
>>539217038Builds are more about the offensive tools than the blues/yellows and there were plenty of nice blues
>>539217284Unlock the last nail upgrade it makes act3 a lot more bearable.But yes, the exploration is a chore. They seriously need to lower void enemies HP. It's not hard, just so time consuming that speedrunning and avoiding them is always the best solution.
>>539217284Act 3 sucks most because all the new areas you have no idea are there. None of the maps had an opening to show you that you needed a super jump. As if someone's supposed to remember where all the aerial lights are before they even knew the game had a super jump. If you don't care for 100% just go for it.
Pretty based quote not gonna lie
>figure out that Lace has no pattern and can only have her attacks baited out>Fight completely solved by baiting her anti air and jumping up on her counter and reacting to if she stays still or jumps upGOTY 10/10 the only thing thatd be better if deltarune chapter 5 shadowdropping in 2025
What does R3 do? Just a silly taunt?
>No Pale King memory fightWHY, the set up was perfect for it
Man these act 2 areas are getting progressively worse and more primitive, compensating it with shit unfun gimmicks like crust in Sands. Did they really run out of steam given the ridiculous dev cycle of the game?
>>539218431I thought Act 2 was peak
>>539218708Nothing in Silksong gives this feeling
>>539218282it can make evasive enemies come closer but I don't see anyone using it
She's a teenage girl at heart
>>539219130its used in speedruns
>>539219287she sleeps with the fucking door openwhy isn't the bath flea sneaking in yet?
>>539218282it increases aggro rangevery useful for nail builds against flying enemies just out of range
>Boss has 1 contact damageGood boss>Boss has 2 contact damageAwful boss
>>539219489everyone in bellhart also does, it's a cultural thing
>>539218736The feeling of what? Having your super dash be stopped by a wall after 0.6s?
>>539219840Sounds like a skill issue
>>539219489better question yetif she looks like a child and everyone calls her a childWHY THE FUCK IS HE SPYING AT HER
>>539219996because he's based
Can fleas die?
>>539219996he is a flea of culture
How are you suppose to go up this shaft in Sinner's Road? Don't tell me I have to lure the flying enemies and pogo up
>>539220740Come back later
>>539219740GIGATRVKE>>539220740doublejump
>>539220740you can get there by luring one of the flying enemies and open the door but it isn't really worth it yet
>>539220740you can lure a muckroach too, but you'll be stuck anyway, just come back later
I refuse to use tools against Lace 2
>>539221378But anon, now you are the tool
>>539221378why not? shes using tools against you.. like her cute laugh!
>>539221378Nail only Lace. Tool spam her grandma. Dumbass bitch thinks it's cool to cover the arena in hazards then hang out in those same hazards where you can't hit her. Take my cockflies, then, bitch. Granny feels like someone in Team Cherry regrets being able to smash Radiance's spikepits with DD and wishes the fight was even more dragged out then it was.
>>539221378Do that against Unraveled
I'm gonna confessI cheesed the vast majority of act 3 with architect crest + poison + broken toolsI just did not want to deal with all that shit getting thrown at methe only boss in act 3 I remember fighting properly was seth
>>539223571don't worry, you still beat the game
>>539216493same... and if you play while he guides you he will call a red spider friend...
>>539223571the only boss you can cheese with tools is groal really, every other you need to dodge and hit a little at least, that could be fixed by not making them so evasive and with parries and blocks for days, are you supposed to kill phase 3 karmelita 3 with just your needle? Even that youtuber is using the parry silk skill for the heavy-lifting
>>539224374dude I dont even remember karmelita's attacksI just stayed in the air as long as possible praying her shit wouldn't hit me while tacks + cogflies + cogwheel were shredding hergranted I died a few times before I got it but stillthe only boss I had to learn a little was lost lace, fuck that fight
what the heck was lace doing at the top of the elevator anyways? just napping in the flowers? get up, stupid!
