I mean, I don't blame him for consneeding since more threats were gonna come down, but I don't think Pocket was dead and he forgot the lifesteal thing was gonna only have 3 attack on the other guy's turn.

>>539146878
He should start with griftah for double mc

no thread
home

easiest packs of my life

>>539146327
that's my face right now trying to get out of gold 10

Nice gamble Chink

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wholesome chungus kino and something different

https://youtu.be/-5PBFAy8qXg?si=H_38IX2aC64-aWtU

>roping when you have 3 second lag

pocket is my goat

if you play a gay deck i WILL be roping

Kek losing to tier5 deck....

Was that guy punching himself in the head?

I dont even remember who I picked

im so fucking tired of quilboars

To bee honest Pocket could easy win just locking warlock with bob and play few minions... But he is gigachad and want play whole combo

24 wins until 500 wins with paladin. bouncing back and forth between murloc and aggro.
still at rank floor

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>basedorin
really?

why did they stop forcing players to use signature/golden cards, not even a pet as well

>>539150836
>pet
This is starshart meta chud... so no dinos

this game is so fucking stupid

entire fucking lobby playing quillboars does this game not have a shared pool like tft

>>539153121
what's your mmr? i mostly see undead.
i prefer pirate apm it's just more fun.

I do not understand why this retarded threw away his quest at the start since you never beat Rogue on value and you need the Time Warp to smack face with your starships.

>muh Ashermane steal of the rewards
Just leave the minion in your hand until they play it, or actually beat them on value because they can't play their giant fucking value engine

WOW WHAT A COOL GAME OF HEARTHSTONE THAT WAS

i really wish you could see the rank and hidden mmr of yourself and your opponents. everytime i friend request after a loss i find out im fighting people in diamond while i'm in gold.

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bro, let it go

>casino mage cast perfect yogg boxx
>summon random legendary spell from boxx
>its rag and its perfect lethal because all my board gone
Random not rigged poggers....

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How badly this comment aged

I bet Edelweiss gives great head.

im literally showering self with free packs

dumb deck wins

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Easy pack

easy 5 packs. thanks pocket. reminder that pocket was always the easy /hsg/ pick if u werent stupid.

>>539160786
??? his lineup not dumb actually very hard to pilot

>>539161586
dollhouse druid is not hard to pilot

>>539162242
depends of situation Clearly harder than Questlock or Diapers

>>539160923
I'm glad I listened

>>539160923
I picked a random asian guy because I wasn't paying attention
it's over for me

are the bg guides in hs tracker outdated as fuck? or was jeef trolling when he wrote them?
i swear they're all like "stack the guy that gives your guys +1 attack this turn" and stupid useless shit like that

>climb from 900 to 650 Legend almost effortlessly so long as I had a decent starting hand
>start getting bad mulligan nonstop and fall back down to 750
What even is the point of this game, specially as you disregard rank
Literally just a gambling simulator for pack opening and good dicerolls

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>how it started

>>539164654
>Literally just a gambling simulator for pack opening and good dicerolls
those things are generally considered fun

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>>539165495
>how its ended
Eggcellent bait 10/10

>>539163596
The 'guides' on hsreplay look recent enough. BG has a few more layers of lawl rng dont take it seriously.
Besides, its not like having a high mmr means anything. Mine is under 4k from just fucking around and trying meme comps like the rally one.
I concede the majority of my games right away if I dont like the heroes or tribes.

where can i see how many packs my champ got me

>>539169156
https://www.hsguru.com/battlefy/tournament/68c42088e7060900182e4a01
+add group stage

>zero hunter 2 weeks with Champion priest
>add 4 cards (imbue)
>4 hunters in row
ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME ?

>>539169665
did you completely miss that pocket just won a tournament with hunter in his lineup?

>>539170565
yeah RC scam hunters not *Thinking man* hunters

>>539155226
Not happening, blizzard dislikes transparency because it ruins their lie of fairness and success.

it'd be funny if they just straight up admitted they had cheating bots like marvel snap devs did

>>539180704
Except those bots were actual bots and not other players that you think are benefitting from their deck being stacked a certain way. And there's no super advance deck rigging algo that snap used the bots were just allowed to see what you were going to do and react to it.

got signature reanimate the dogshit thanks pocket

you now remember imbue

How many packs do I get if I picked pocketrain?

>playing wild
>against discolock
>turn three he plays a blood Treant followed by a Darkmoon Statue that comes down as an 8/10
??????
wtaf just happened?
first of all, how does blood treant count for corrupting, but more importantly how does "this gains +4 attack" turn into 2x stats on top of it??

blogpost soon bros hold on

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>Play cutlass rogue
>Ooze
>Don't play cutlass rogue
>Never see the card again
>Play plague DK
>Demon portal card
>Don't play plague DK
>Never see this card again
Hmm....

>>539190409
This is how she looks at me when I remove my pants.

>>539191013
i know that feeling

>>539191458
Are you a fellow mech warrior player?

>>539191520
no i play wild

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Why does DH get the dubious honour of being the only class whose aggro deck is actually fucking expensive

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Literally impossible

>>539194945
this was likely after 10 games played

>>539194945
you lost me at playing cards

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what happened to our game? SHIKUSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>play infinite low cost murlocs that keep getting buffed infinitely, infinite drawing
>at the end of your turn fill your board with 10/10 dragons that clear your opponents board and deal damage to his face, every turn
>fill your deck with 30 cards that when drawn deal 5 damage to all enemies while being able to infinitely spawn high mana cost elusive taunt minions
>replace your deck with an infinite pool of demons that keep getting stronger, you also have 2 portals that spawn demons that can heal you, clear your enemy board easily, and have taunt and reborn

so on and so forth, perfect design. the absolute state

I used to play Reno Mage in Wild and now realize how pathetic it is to play control in general. I'm now playing Secrets and I play 20 min matches against cuckontrol and still win. Imagine being on the receiving end of that

Any fun decks using the new miniset?

>>539201238
LOL

>>539195201
>Lost city cards
More like 100 unless you stack your deck with only lost city cards

hot coals is a card for faggots

>shows up to the match wearing a giant diaper
anyone wanna play?

>>539194449
Every legendary except Aranna is in core or from a miniset you should have already bought lol

>win two games in a row
>algorithm deals me a quest warlock who goes: turn 2 solarium, wisp, wisp, location
if you think this is possible to happen without the game being rigged, you are a fucking retard

Why wouldn't it be possible. They put the fucking cards in their deck didn't they? Its all cheap shit specifically for that reason.

>>539213068
I dont think the game is rigged. just incredible badly designed lately

>>539213327
because you don't get to mid-high legend playing like a fucking retard and highrolling 0.0001% outcomes and it's too obvious that the algorithm just picks and chooses when it's your turn to lose
stop being a santa believer. the game is rigged. you don't understand anything

>>539213532
>0.0001% outcome
you would have complained about any 0 mana and 1 mana card i.e. half the deck, dumbass.

why the fuck can every class fill their board with big minions every turn?
it’s impressive how the troons at blizzard still somehow manage to make the game worse with every change. i thought it couldn’t get any worse 5 years ago

blogpost any second now

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>Enrage warrior (sorta shit, don't play it)
>Vs XXL Big Shaman (?????)
Man.
Idk if the algo broke and is matching dogshit decks vs each other or wild legend turbo dumpster has been moved to 1k.

>get flamed by reqvam and other streamers because I play non meta against their rogues
why are all these losers such whiners

new player here - what should I be doing with my Gold? buying packs of the latest set Un'Goro, or packs of Standard?

when are we supposed to get the pick your champion packs?

>>539233232
Minisets that contain cards you want to play > packs that contain a lot of cards you want to play = minisets that you just dust > packs that are mostly just dust

What sets you want to buy vs not depends on the deck you're trying to craft

>>539233610
alright thanks, well desu I'm at that stand where I Don't know what I Don't know - I don't have a sense of the cards or the meta yet. I have just been playing a lot of Mage lately and enjoying that. what's the best thing for me to do - look up metadecks and find ones I like and try to construct those?

>>539233737
Pretty much. You can look at the Master's Tour over the weekend to see the play patterns of a bunch of decks to see if you vibe with them. HSguru has the best stats to help you netdeck. Also, this is your mandated warning that this game is shit and getting worse and not really worth getting into, much less spending money on, if you don't already have the sunk cost and a billion dust to keep playing whatever you want for free.

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>playing arena
>against a mage so I'm already butthurt turn 0
>guy ropes
>every
>single
>turn
>guy ropes with 0 mana left
>guy ropes with 8 and 10 mana left before playing anything
>guy ropes with 2 cards in hand
>guy is also named schlomo
normally I'd have sent a butthurt friend request after the game just to ask what the fuck is wrong with you but thankfully I won so I can contain my autism

>>539234419
cheers thanks anon. yeah - my buddy has been playing I think since release and has told me it's going downhill. and yet at least for now I like the idea of it: do my dailies, do the gameplay loop, build some decks. if you have other game suggestions that are similar let me know

DH is such a faggot class it's unreal
they have never had a fair or resonable archetype, much like rogue

>>539234754
amoongus and quilboar deathrattle dh were and are the most honest decks hearthstone has ever seen

>>539188683
it's a known bug. no they won't be fixing it anytime soon.,

>>539235367
>amoongus
not a deck
>deathrattle
never was honest

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JUST

>>539237569
Please understand, they really need to hit those KPI and they've got less and less players to do so with.

i like it when you're trying a new deck, go on a winstreak then the game throws every single niche deck you haven't seen in weeks at you

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>>539146327
Monk will save us
Evoker will cement us

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Ouch!

Velen -> Go with the flow -> Bat Mask
Seems like a pretty consistent otk for spell mage, but too slow since you have to roll on both champions and relic of kings.

>>539234754
Faggot classes are mage, priest and druid, and no I don't play DH

>>539251260
they are rogue and dh. every other class is fine

>>539252078
There's no way you think the three I mentioned are fine

>>539252383
mage is turbogarbage, priest only plays protoss and isn't an issue, druid hasn't been an issue in like 3 years

I FUCKING HATE LEECHES I FUCKING HATE LEECHES I FUCKING HATE LEECHES I FUCKING HATE LEECHES KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING LEECH NIGGERS KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING LEECH NIGGERS KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING LEECH NIGGERS FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU KILL YOURSELF DIE DIE DIE DIE FUCKING ROTATE OUT ALREADY KILL YOURSELF LEECH NIGGER

>ropes turn 1
>ropes turn 2
>ropes turn 3
>ropes turn 4
>ropes turn 5
>ropes turn 6
>ropes turn 7

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>battlegrounds
>quilboar
is there no justice in this world

>>539195404
Shartcraft happens my scat bro...

>>539201238
Velen/Moarg warlock check last thread(ctrl f for Unstoppable force)
Also mask rogue that uses same card generated by 3 drop and fill board with starships/archonts

>>539263541
only issue with boars is fucking divine shields good murloc comp destroys those big faggots

less than 24 hours until the blogpost bros

newfag here, playing for not even 2 weeks
built a toss deck with dust from new player cards and am comfortably chilling on ladder, but I'm wondering for next season, I will almost certainly not have enough shit to craft a decent deck
if I wanna stay semi-free to play, is grabbing the three 5x+ value bundles + 10 catchup packs a reasonable investment? and I assume i would be to open the catch up packs BEFORE i open all the other packs id buy, right?
or would maybe getting the battle pass be more dust valuable?

>>539264227
And what do you do when quils are in and murlocs are out?

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>>539249887
Pro tip : you can do it with Eudora treasure
1/5 chance i think (ignore 8 mana spell there is 4 mana spell fill board with copies)

>>539264426
undead with a taunted leeroy

>>539264525
fuck im stupid
https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Treasure_Hunter_Eudora
there is more treasures in pool
>>539264426
well Leeroys 1/1 venom shit and pray
i usually go to 1 big replicator elemental (divine shield and big stats) sage and some leeroys

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Blogpost is out

>>539269179
what would they touch? quest warlock? DK?

dead game

miniset buffs WILL save us

I'm already bored of this BG rotation, let's switch back to the previous one

>>539275515
bg isn't changing until december i think

>>539275515
im too but not so much
I hate
>get t7 quest
>get good reward
>easy win (or lose if there is opponent with it in lobby)
i hate anomalies but anomalies was more balanced because its lobby buff not personal

>>539270882
-1/-1 across the board to the quest warlock felbeasts
sandbox scoundrel +1 mana
diaper knight will of course not be touched, that's a 100 wholesome keanu chungus deck that everyone loves to face 100 times in a row! in fact, for even suggesting diaper knight might be nerfed, +1 health to leeches and they now drain 1 health from all enemies at the end of each of your turns

>>539281352
I was thinking just -1 attack to the felbeasts and scoundrel mana reduction to 2.

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>mech with taunt and deathrattle: do 8 damage

>your next mech costs -5
>create a copy of a mech, it attacks a random enemy and dies
>destroy a friendly minion, then summon a copy at the end of your turn
>trigger the deathrattle of a friendly mech (+mini)
>trigger five deathrattles you've played this match

who thought this was a good idea?

>>539270882
there's no way they nerf shit with the games power level being this low, they need to buff miniset cards

>>539286215
>look up miniset cards to see what might be a buff candidate
>more than a handful of cards I've literally never seen before despite following spoilers and having bought the miniset

>>539282427
Change to minion damage would fix all issues
Diaper with face damage is stupid

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>opponent summon 4/7
>me senses tell me that not good sign
If its your *lose* game you lose no matter what happens before
BRAVO BLIZZARD GROK

your gameplay screenshots are getting progressively more unhinged

And next game same Elemental aggro shaman Yesterdat was RC hunters.... holy ALGO

>>539289403
tnx i generated them with AI assistance

what starts with c and ends with a ?

>>539289891
Control Archetypa

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LMAO modern quest system Fuck off Cora i rather grind...

>>539289286
the best part of this schizo rambling is that nothing crazy lucky even happened "oh no he played a card that every rogue list runs 2 of and won the 40% chance of finding the fyrakk in my deck" obviously if I flip a coin and it lands on heads the result must be rigged.

>>539290408
but why do we have so many schizos? and why are you the only sane person ?

>>539290776
Because everyone in the thread who isn't you is a singular person

>>539290408
>40% chance
please provide math (i think it was turn 8 and 9-10 after he lose original Iwincards)

>>539290408
this post expired No math provided

>>539291862
the change of finding fyrakk with nightmare fuel is 3/# of unique minions left in your deck. 43% chance if you had 7 which is probably about how many you had without knowing your decklist or having a replay of the game to study.

>>539294490
Then shut the fuck up ??? im right ?

>>539294294
uninstall the gamer retard

>>539294689
you cant uninstall people... im not from america

Why does every card game thread have its own 4th grade educated third worlder who makes the same posts about the game being rigged every day because they don't understand basic statistics.

>>539294993
>marvel snap devs admit they rigged the system
>marvel rivals rigs the system
>blizzard has patents on rigging the system

#noticing

>>539295409
Yeah im sure pokemon and yugioh and mtg:arena and shadowverse are all rigged too. Your opponents would never ever get lucky otherwise.

>>539294993
wake up sheep Go to your fisrt world city named Las Vegas and ask about basic statistic....
They rig matchmaking same as slots (but chance ofc better)
You lose > next match lucky > you win > next match *unlucky* thats how you mantain average WR across all decks (sometimes decks have higher WR than 50% because obv, reasons)

>>539296038
thats not at all how rigged odds in vegas work. but thanks for demonstrating how little know.

>>539296024
i never feel rigged ever in ygo lmao
there's some people say mtg is also rigged

>win game against hard diaper
>next game aggro mage nuke my face on t6
>next game another diaper
>win
>next game is fucking RC hunter highroll on t4
Statistic my ass....
its fucking forced 50% wr

you're bitching about aggro mage of all things?

I feel like a fool for saying Twist was going to save hearthstone.

>>539296686
im not bitching at all my *cant proper reply* anon it can be any *deck then counters you* i hate hidden shit in my comfy card games

>>539297035
twist saved hearthstone players (from playing a shit format) by never being open

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Jihad Warlock anyone ?

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>my *lucky* game
>Rigged(oh wait statistic) Ai throw me literally free win
Statistic anon calculate chances Imbue mage appearance vs Mask Warlock (d7)
No bitching

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>>539270882
they need to nerf neutral cards so classes have identity

>>539299690
>Statistic anon calculate chances Imbue mage appearance vs Mask Warlock (d7)
the chance you queue into a shit player playing a shit deck at (d7) is ~50%

>zetalot STILL d5

>>539299996
Tell me why at least 1 reason to push above d10-d5 ( you not Pocketrain and you have legend cardback)

>>539299919
RIGGED FORCED 50% WR I KNEW IT !1111oneuno

>>539299996
please anon I also want to hear the explanation as to why someone would want to have a winrate greater than 50%.

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Another bomberman
Imagine if they nerf it...not quest warlock

>>539281352
>>539282162
just a few more nerfs and the game will be playable
also make sure to nerf only class stuff so we can all play the same naralex fyrakk ysera shaladrassil zilliax elise observer creature of madness xavius bob deck

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its safe to say that this card wont ever be nerfed, right?

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yay what an useful card...
they couldn't even make it an 8drop

>>539301664
they might overbuff it then nerf it

>>539299996
why does he keep trying to bruteforce a kj deck

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Whats wrong with this fucking Allahy Akbar warlocks ?
I think game again use cheap tricks against me
(Blackhole is useless against this type of deck and never match me with *noreborn nodemon* deck)

>>539302325
btw next game i lost to Double archon hallucination combo (no endgame+mask combo ever drawn)

>>539302157
good point, I guess I'll hold on to it at least until rotation

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>>539301664
There is better card in rotation i know its nerfed but 4/4 deal 4 better than 1/5 MAYBE deal 5

What the actual fuck is this shit

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>>539308904
Forgot pic

>>539309020
just play the game sweaty susho completes these day 1
first one was stealth nerfed and completes at 500

>>539310316
I feel him. I crashed out from 200 to 2000 last night trying to play a non meta deck. pure torture

>>539310316
things happen when you only have 35% wr

>>539310316
He is stacking losing streaks and then, one day before ladder reset hell climb to top 1 legend after abusing the Algo to hit a 99% win rate 100 game streak.

>>539301516
>>539299702
fine
naralex to 8 mana
fyrakk to 10 mana
ysera to 8 mana but gives empty crystals
zilliax no more lifesteal
elise remove copy option
observer 4 mana 3/3
creature of madness 3 mana 2/3
xavius to 4/3
bob 7 mana 5/5
ancient of bore gain 4 armor
customs enforcer to 3/3
blob of cringe 2/2
ceaseless fart to 5/5
cringelia to 3/1
shaladrassil to corrupt it you only need to actually have at least 8 mana crystals when you play it (no reduction bullshit fuck you rogue)

should be enough to shake up the meta big time oh yeah (blizzard won't do it)

>>539312232
if by shake up you mean 60% questlock playrate (rest owl druid and aggro pala/hunter) then yeah

>>539312680
don't forget ship dk/warlock and mech warrior
you can't save the meta with a few nerfs, you need to either add good decks or nuke fucking everything remotely playable

Arena is full of chinks with bot accounts

>>539294993
same reason why they all contain retards who think they're stats experts because they got a B in high school statistics and they've heard the word "variance" before
i'm a regular riggedposter i've been a professional gambler for 15+ years. i've seen various poker sites be proven to be rigged and many other instances of shit being rigged when people are crying in the corner about how nothing is rigged if you just understand LE HECKIN VARIANCE

>>539312232
how does this shake up anything this just removes cards rogue and dk
starship will still be good without elise
questlock is now even the best deck in the game

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>>539314509
please refer to the funny meme

>>539314623
well at least we'd be playing with latest expansion cards!
yabadeebadooooo

>>539314509
i don't care that you lost all of your money playing poker retard.

>>539314683
very true

>>539314683
>it would be easier for a billion dollar megacorpo to not do the thing, therefore that's what they probably did
this is your argument?

>>539315835
yes? why would they spend time and money developping an advanced rigging system and hide it when they could just detect your deck and pit you in a low/high winrate matchup? they clearly allocate the bare minimum to hearthstone developpement when you look at the state of the game and client so why would they bother to maintain such a complex system? you rigging schizos never think this through

>>539315835
No, the argument is that if in-game rng manipulation were happening that it'd be easily tracked in the collected data on millions of games and that analysists would be able to quantify exactly how the rigging is happening, like what happened in every legitimate example of games being rigged.
But also, yes a big corporation isn't going to waste millions developing and maintaining an algo that actively makes the game worse just to accomplish "forced 50/50" which would more or less naturally occur with a basic MMR system.

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i milled kiljaeden and still won lol

>>539316242
>would they bother to maintain such a complex system?
this isn't nearly as complicated as you're suggesting. simple as that
>>539316380
>big corporation isn't going to waste millions developing and maintaining an algo
another absurd exaggeration
add these points to the mental gymnastics meme please. or here, i'll rework it for you:
not-rigged mental gymnastics: it costs millions and millions of dollars and constant upkeep to determine what draws are good and bad for deck archetypes (even though hsreplay offers this feature, which we're gonna pretend doesn't exist because it helps our argument)
rigged advocates: it's rigged because they want to farm engagement metrics

>>539317417
>to determine what draws are good and bad for deck archetypes
that's not what you accuse them of. You insist every single discover pick is curated by matchup spread. Thats far more complicated than what you're suggesting now.

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>>539317609
>You insist every single discover pick is curated

>>539317803
yeah I've played zeph he's a big fat retard and doesn't even give the correct card out of the pool he's supposed to pull from/

>>539317918
the important part here is the fact that they have literally developed this algorithm and the fact that it really is not that complicated
it doesn't work perfectly, great. that doesn't prove anything though. it doesn't need to. rigged posters don't need zephrys the great to discover a 100% perfect outcome 100% of the time to demonstrate anything. and even if it did, you lot would just hand wave it away and say "yeah well that's what the card is supposed to do"
we can't prove or disprove that current zeph doesn't work for any given reason. it's a waste of time to try to break it down. the point is, it exists. it's tech that they developed. the idea that they could do this is not absurd at all. and it certainly wouldn't cost "millions and millions of dollars and constant maintenance" to reproduce an effect like this on a global scale

i think its rigged to keep you playing like how many games you win until you are done with the game

where the fuck are my firebat packs?

>>539319786
sorry i meant pockettrain. same phenotype, forgive me

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>only log in to do daily
>every single game every day is against Warlock

That aside the most fun I have in this game is playing clown fiesta discover quest mage

anyone who believes f2p companies will not rig and manipulate anything that can be manipulated to slightly increase profits is coping
they get caught doing this shit all the time and people will still defend it. these companies have actual phds who spend every waking moment looking at ways to bend chance and maths to increase the bottom line and people really think they spend this money because why not

>3 shamans back to back
>all three were nebula
>all three had location -> turbulus -> hagatha
These are Blizzard run bots right? I tried to add the last one to see if it was a person and it didn't reply.

>>539317417
>>539318184
Zephrys is not complex at all. He can only give you a curated list of classic cards and his AI is at the same level of adventure bosses.
Your brain is too small to realize how complex a working rigging system that's not obvious would be. A game of Hearthstone is computionally much more complex than chess, it has much more possible game states and branching in a game. Now imagine Blizzard running thousands of AI, each more demanding than a chess AI, just to rig all the games of Hearthstone in real time, for the nebulous reason of "engagement". Imagine the cost, for a game they won't even bother giving tournament money to.
This is your mental gymnastics, just because you can't admit your loses aren't due to Blizzard personally screwing you over.

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Which one do I pick bros?

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Not every Warrior but always a Warrior.

>>539321962
>Your brain is too small to realize how complex a working rigging system that's not obvious would be. A game of Hearthstone is computionally much more complex than chess, it has much more possible game states and branching in a game
kek @ talking about intelligence and proceeding to embarrass yourself with a chess comparison
chess is WAY more computationally fucking complex. it's literally not even remotely close. such a weird fucking larp to pretend that hearthstone is some kind of gigabrain impossible-to-compute game. you bury the high winrate cards at the bottom of the deck - hsreplay already tells you what card winrates are in every matchup that exists. you give high winrate discover options - they have millions of games in their dataset to estimate what these look like. and so on. it's not that fucking complicated. and as other anon said, they have phd grads on payroll to make sure their algorithms accomplish this. they do this to max KPIs. engagement farming is not a "nebulous reason". educate yourself on what game companies try to do. this is quite literally what they do. this is quite literally what people are paid for. watch game dev conferences. look into it. stop pretending you're some kind of chess grandmaster genius because you grind to legend every month. you are a little piglet on blizzard's farm
i guess this is what people do when they overinvest thousands of hours of their life into a rigged kid's card game that has zero payoff

>>539321962
not that anon but they don't need to use a very complex AI or explore the playspace whatsoever, most of the data you'd need is already computed (high winrate cards) or trivial to infer (maybe spells that deal damage to the opposing board are helpful when they have a big board and you do not)
i don't think there's actual rigging in the "you VILL have 50% winrate and you VILL be happy" but i do absolutely think hearthstone has a ton of rubberbanding, every single player constantly sees 1 in a million outcomes in their games, like sometimes you will play against a Mage that gets absolutely nothing but beneficial effects off their "randomly casted spells" to the point their relic of kings (21 chances) casted 4 times in a game doesn't roll a single bad spell once
i mean its the whole "stories to tell" thing. they 100% have code to predict what a good card for each situation is and sometimes the game just will decided it's time for you to roll the lotto and give you a Fyrakk that solo wins the game. they probably do use this to a degree to smoothen winrates and make sure you don't lose too much (though they also use bots for this)

>>539323949
you see 1 in a million things each game because a million things happen each game

>>539323494
A game of Hearthstone is objectively more computationally complex than chess no matter how you twist it, not because it's a "smarter" game but because there is much more branching, possible game states, RNG, cards, everything. Guess I was right about your brain being too small to comprehend this.

>engagement farming is not a "nebulous reason"
It's a nebulous reason because you can't articulate why it's so much more worth it for engagement to have the big mean rigging inch the game ever so slightly in a different way rather than matchmaking and regular RNG run its course.

>they have phd grads on payroll
lmao, they don't even have a functionnal client.

You're such a fucking retard even with a detailed explanation on why your scenario is retarded you still don't get it.

>>539323949
Not sure if samefag trying to have a more "reasonable" stance but still wrong. Even on a small scale you run into the same problems (how do you detect when it's beneficial, when to use it so it's not obvious, etc). "Stories to tell" will always happen with this RNG ridden fest of a game. It's very easy to "smoothen winrate" by just giving you a favorable matchup, it's what mmr is supposed to do after all.

>>539324530
i mean strings of events that have such stupidly low chances of happening it should happen like once a year when playing yet they happen constantly
>>539324552
it's a lot easier than you think it is, especially since you have stuff like card winrate on hand. for example a card like Nebula is never going to be a bad cast, to pick a quick example (yeah unless it gives you double octosari but even for that you have stats such as 8-drop quality to bear in mind)
again I don't think they rig in the sense of "it's your time to win" (they just throw a bot with a shit deck at you for that), but hearthstone has a very clear bias towards "rare" events and sequences that smells, and it makes sense because these kind of rare moments are probably what keep people playing. and if there is an incentive to do something and the tech to do it is feasible F2P companies WILL do it

The game definitely is rigged, in my favor, that is
I get legend every month in the first week because of how good my starting hand and draws are compared to my opponent
The best part is that I haven't spent a single cent on the game since 2018 so I don't have to put money in to keep the rigging up

Feels good

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I am always in awe at how this deck has such a high winrate. This is by far one of the worst decks in the entire game, I don't get how it wins games at all. It loses to mech warrior, control warrior, cards rogue, starship rogue, questlock, starship lock, cards DK, starship DK and probably a fair bit more. Every once in a while I decide to try it because I forget about how fucking terrible it is and I'm always shocked at how it just can't beat anything.

>>539327151
Blatantly untrue. Learn to fact check, that has been debunked. Lie somewhere else?

edit: Ok getting a lot of downvotes. Maybe try to be a good person?

edit 2: Do. Better. Attacking me over my weight has NOTHING to do with Hearthstone and is bigoted and fucking DISGUSTING.

edit 3: Last edit..I. Am. So. Done. This website has officially been taken over by fascists. Fuck. You. All.

>>539327151
yo this is the deck I got to legend with this month
it's pretty fun

>>539327549
forgot wife's boyfriend mention

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Worst card I've ever crafted, didn't notice at the time how bad her runes are because I was just coming back and DK didn't exist back when I played. -1600 dust LULE

>>539327792
lucky shitmmr anon, i wish i could play any retarded deck and just win because im only playing shit like murloc paladin

>>539329510
>lucky shitmmr anon
its what I said in the other post, the game is rigged in my favor, I get legend every month

>mana cheats some randomly generated shit that clears your boards and increases the total number of cards in my hand
>repeats this 4 times in a turn
>i still have mana leftover to do even more shit
>it's turn 4 or 5 or some stupid shit
who is rogue for, exactly? losers and scam artists? how is this fun to have in the game?

>>539327792
What is the secret to winning with a board deck that cannot interact with the board at all
You play big statted minions and just see the opponent use them against you and clear effortlessly
Yeah one in 3 games you might get the lucky curve and they actually don't have removal but the majority of the games you never get on the board at all. Especially if you go second.

I genuinely don't get how this deck wins games. Do people just waste their removal on nothing? It's shit, it's genuinely worse than Quest Paladin. It does nothing except play slightly overstatted minions.

>>539332429
>What is the secret to winning with a board deck that cannot interact with the board at all
most of my opponents during the climb were
protoss priest
beast hunter
aggro paladin
elemental mage
with some DH and DK sprinkled in

I just kept hands that survived the early game like morbid swarm/dreadhound handler, got a bunch of corpses, took a turn off to buff hand or draw cards and then I just slammed down a bunch of stats with lifesteal that they couldn't handle it, it's a very simple deck

I don't remember winning against anything that wanted the game to go long like warrior but every aggro matchup was a breeze except for DH

>>539309020
i did the first one with a dk corpse explosion + grim patron deck in 1 game

uh, blog post believers????

man I cant fucking believe they put quests back in arena
equilib has a 57% winrate
that's outrageous for something as consistent as a quest deck

>>539338207
I think they know the game is doomed and are afraid to speak up
it will be profitable in china for a bit longer but the gameplay is just beyond repair

>>539339095
release the marvel rivals tier coomer skins and cards. They already doubled the amount of female bartenders for BG to great applause
I know between the ladders china is playing wild way more but what is china's BG numbers?

>>539339758
Hard to tell, but they obviously have a lot more players than EU/NA. Rank 200 player on CN is 16331, which would be rank 3 on NA and rank 4 on EU. So they have like 50x the population
standard is still bigger than wild in China btw (but it's closer than other servers)

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hunter won.. again

WHY the FUCK are you ROPING on TURNS 1 AND 2
fucking NECK YOURSELF

>>539349712
sorry anon i'm taking the chance to run to the fridge and get myself a drink

>>539343596
are there new skins somewhere?

>>539352570
it's on the store with a new magni skin

Less than 24 hours to go bros!

No new threads until the next expansion. Deal?

>>539371880
uh sweetie this thread is going to explode with excitement once the blogpost drops

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LMAO

good, only iphone users should be made to suffer hearthstone

Are they going to release the third expansion early this year? There's no way it's going to be out in December

warlock is the scum of this year rogue is too but its not blatantly

>>539378345
is this over the darkmoon statue bug? idk why they didn't just ban it, it's not like it was seeing any play before the bug

>>539392842
no its about the game being unplayable on a Pixel6

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STORIES

>>539394882
a 4 year old phone? who cares?

>>539397303
priest needs a 4 mana version of waterbearer

>>539397715
not blizzard

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This is supposed to be fun? Which retard designed this shit

>>539400315
Cora

>>539400315
i forgot that the new warrior dragon legendary would be a buff to the imbue paladin 8 pool

>login
>paladin
>paladin
>log off

>>539402115
take the sub 3k mmr bg pill anon. concede 75% of the time and piss around with retard builds and make big numbers bigger.
a win at low mmr is still 180xp

>>539319591
Joke's on them, I only play to earn free rewards and force them to work for free.

i just installed this on my phone tf do i do. theres so much shit

>>539403669
solo adventures for some free legendries, battlegrounds for free xp, tavern brawl once a week for a free pack. idk that i guess

blogpost tomorrow bros hold on

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>>539400686
Same desu, that's actually hilarious. It actually makes 8 mana dragons insane since your other hits are also all really good outside of the 20% lowroll of the battlecry dude. 40% chance to have rush, 20% to have taunt, and 20% to mana cheat your first spell

>snap gets its own returning player bonus
>it's just 25% off the battlepass and 4 cards if you login every day for a month

maybe i've been too harsh on cora

These event quests are killing me, bros..

>>539397715
bro throws his phones away after 4 years

>every second game is paladin
>always aura when needed
its so boring....

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Please Cora rotate this shit.... he almost got me with Fyrakk

>>539423065
im one rank lower.... playing some weird shit and bg

Why does this game give you nothing but mirror matchups? Ever since I swapped to Handbuff DK is play exclusively other handbuff DKs. It's not even a popular deck.

>>539423934
>It's not even a popular deck.
maybe thats a reason blizzard rigging AI cant find statistic to rig your games

>retard plays double battlecry fyrakk at 8 cards
>it doesn't overdraw him a single card and wins him the game anyway

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>>539424770
*summon statistic anon*
Also literally few second ago
Bye bye resident sleeper

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and next game
Fucking what ??? Quest Druid really ?
Blatant riggin to mantain my shitty 49.9Euro WR
Tnx Cora for supporting new miniset decks

>>539423065
Trust the fucking plan, mass lose, then let the streamer algo kick in for a 100+ game winstreak to top 100 legend.

Fun fact : If you play Mask Warlock with Champions of Azeroth and double silence you never face Diaper Warriors/Dk or DH or any Starshart deck
>we never scan your deck (C) Celestroon

>>539426248
>Play meme shitdeck
>Get matched up vs meme decks
>Play real deck played in top legend
>Magically get matched vs other tier and meta decks
I am NOOOTICING shit

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Imbue shaman is enough for ~1000 legend atleast.

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>>539432314
#1 legend here I come

>>539432314
posting this immediately after Inferno schizoposting about rigged matchmatching and forced 50/50 is very based and I respect it.

Inferno can't handle the truth that even the shit decks he plays would get to top 1k legend in the hands of someone actually good at the game.

>queue with a "legit" "top tier" deck
>every single match is long, sweaty, rigged, boring, roping opponents, scratching and clawing for a shred of value, desperate to get anything done, nothing smooth, nothing fun
>switch to prebuilt paladin "loc and loaded"
>modify it slightly
>every game is suddenly fast, fun, winnable, game is enjoyable again

every single game of hearthstone is rigged by a computer

>>539438717
>>539439164
you're shit at the game and misplay every turn. your opinion on balance and matchmaking means nothing

Lana'thel's tummy makes me play better. Best 1500g I could've spent.

>>539442314
Do it for her

Behead all control.

Crafting Quest warlock and the Dk tourist to go with it has been my biggest fucking regret in the entire history of this game. This shit feels genuinely unplayable and it's not even close.

BLOG OUT
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24223779/33-4-2-patch-notes

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>>539450334
Fuck, they nerfed Imbue Shaman. Must have realized it was too powerful. No i won't be able to scam this one out with cosmonaut.

>>539451091
Now*

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>>539451091
I drafted this arena deck earlier this year and it was a ton of fun. I'm glad you're making the combo work in constructed.

>>539450334
These buffs does fuck all against DK

>>539451492
Jesus, that's nuts. Did you do well with it? The additional mana cheat helps a ton in standard to let you play it earlier, but I imagine the swings would be crazy strong regardless on 7 in arena.
I miss the last arena season, it was fun, didn't get to play enough of it.

>>539451492
>colossals in arena
these devs never learn

>>539450334
at this point this just sabotage. whoever runs blizzard needs to sue these devs

>>539452173
went 12-1 and im pretty sure I punted the one game I lost by playing too greedily vs an aggro paladin.

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This is so fun to play against
Elise copy is so well thought out, another banger mechanic by Cora never kill yourself girl

>>539439493
and ywnbaw

>>539454251
nice one, retard

>>539450334
Wow these buffs will surely shake things up. I also like the intro that basically says they have given up trying to fix this set.

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Try to guess which minion the brawl left alive haha this game is skill based btw

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It's all battleground changes.....
....
what about standard?

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Oh shit FREE legendary

>>539454687
dummy, this would cost blizzard millions of dollars in investment and annual upkeep to rig. you really think this is rigged? they spent millions of dollars just to make your brawl outcomes unlucky? lmao @ how bad you are at the game

>>539454727
they have buffs for the miniset cards. lol

the buffs are confusing to me, like are any of those cards goin to beat murloc paladin? protoss priest? not even close. pointless.

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When I tried that deathrattle deck I was thinking "man, if Asphyxiodon had 2 more health this deck would probably be a metabreaker". Good to see Blizzard is listening.

>>539455105
amazing they printed a worst Rag (classic card btw)

>More broadly, we believe future expansions are a better place to bring community feedback to life than trying to overhaul the current set through balance patches. We fell short of our goal of introducing enough new competitive options this expansion. As we look ahead to the next expansion and beyond, we're keeping your response to this set in mind and are using it to help shape the future of Hearthstone.
They straight up admitted this expansion is cooked and told you all to buy the new one likes the good cucks you are.

>>539450334
>>539456251
>we know which cards are broken and need to be nerfed
>you tell us quests need a buff when we based half the set around them but we think thats a bad idea
>cant be bothered trying to buff/hotfix them, gonna focus on next expansion instead!
pretty tone-deaf lmao

>>539454917
how much dev time do you think it would take to maintain a rigging algo that affects all of the RNG in every game?

>>539456560
Reminder that people paid money for this shit

>>539457016
about tree fiddy

>>539455024
Bronze post.

>>539457928
I'm glad I didn't have to say it

Blizzard is going to overreact and the next expansion will be another powercrept turd because another return to ungoro expac would legitimately kill the game.

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>wake up
>blogpost
>they buffed some dogshit cards with 2 hp

>>539454906
>wasting your signature luck on the worst set in hearthstones history
Gomenasorry

>>539458602
china will save us.
we'll get pandas and monk class and be saved.

does china like MoP and panda / monks?

all these changes are gonna be terrible for arena
combined with zero comments on that mode it's nice to see they truly dont give a shit

>>539457016
the thing is, they don't need to influence every single form of rng and every single possible branch of outcomes that could possibly occur on every single future turn of the game, which is why whoever compared it to chess is wrong to make that comparison. chess engines are literally doing like 30^50 calculations with some smart pruning going on to try to minimize that number, but they are quite literally solving every single possible outcome, which isn't what a "hs rigging algorithm" would do or needs to do. a rigging algo like that in hearthstone could simply identify high-leverage spots and influence those spots, and it could also be imperfect in its rigging, failing to rig certain outcomes sometimes, and only generally performing a certain "rigging role" to push things in an intended direction
like, when someone plays fyrakk, the game doesn't need to compute 10 turns in the future based on every single possible randomly generated outcome from fyrakk's rolls. it can be wayyy simpler than that. it just needs to have an idea of if it's gonna spin "good outcomes" or "bad outcomes", and it can accept whatever imperfections might come from using such a shortcut.
again, it doesn't need to be perfect. so if people want to push back against the "rigged crowd" and say that every single possible draw step and discover option can't possibly be actively rigged, they're probably right. but that's also not the point because it doesn't need to do that
this is also a response to people who point to zephrys battlecry being imperfect and using it as "evidence" that blizzard can't even rig the card that's supposed to be rigged. it doesn't NEED to be literally perfect. it can just do a quick search for things that seem high impact and "probably good", and that'll be good enough most of the time

guys you gotta stop talking about blizzard rigging games
I am already embarassed enough to browse here, I dont need to know most of the posters itt are schizo retards

>>539458602
Good. I‘m fucking bored of seeing the same decks for months. When i came back to hs during the great dark beyond i was playing against starships and i‘m still fucking doing that

STOP PLAYING CONTROL FOR FUCK SAKE

>>539459996
emotional femoid brain

the overwatch miniset for the next expansion WILL save us

anyone else's game crash after a few games? dataleak? im on pc.

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>quit Hearthstone like 7 years ago, around the Witchwood expansion
>feeling the cards itch again
Can I please get a quick update on the state of the game? Do you still play mostly against the same 3-5 decks over and over and over again? Is it still a hell of a cash grab or did they get a bit more generous now that the game is a bit old?

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>However, as we've shared before, too many competitive Quests in the long term can lead to a metagame that isn't fun or healthy.

Why even bother adding quests then?

>>539468308
>Do you still play mostly against the same 3-5 decks over and over and over again?
yes
>Is it still a hell of a cash grab or did they get a bit more generous now that the game is a bit old?
you get more cards for free but the cosmetics are pushed way harder

>>539459848
>the rigging is dumb and imperfect
>the rigging is only sometimes (I don't know when)
>the rigging has to try to not get detected (how does it do it when it's dumb and imperfect is a mystery)
At this point you have to wonder if the rigging even matters 90% of the time and if it's even distinguishable from regular RNG

so they didn't fix the darkmoon statue bug

>>539469483
>distinguishable from regular RNG
If there was rigging distinguishable from regular RNG it would have been distinguished after data from tens of millions of games was analyzed

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what the fuck is this supposed to be

>>539468308
Meta is decent right now. Issue is that it hasn‘t changed much in a while but you won‘t care

>>539470495
2 dinosaurs scissoring and creaming

>>539470137
so there's no rigging?

>>539471165
correct

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>>539458953
Unironically the second signature I've got from this shit set

>>539468308
you play against 2 decks - murloc paladin and the one that beats it

>>539470495
cookies?

>played hundreds of matches
>still silver
i know this IS where average players are supposed to be but i thought i can climb higher ngl

>>539468308
I used to play a lot from 2014 to around 2018, took a very long break only playing a couple weeks here and there. Came back earlier this year and while the state is pretty bad, it is indeed more generous than before, so I've been playing it a lot once again. If you enjoy chaos, Wild/Casual still has a lot of that. Be warned though, if you win too much you'll start facing the same 3-5 decks like you mentioned. And they're either very unfair decks that rely on cheese, or retarded aggro decks. Avoid Standard though, unless you find enjoyment in the absolute lack of randomness and winning because your numbers are superior to your opponent numbers.