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>>539231428Predictions on how she'll play in GS? I'm hoping for a moveset without Gohan for once but that doesn't exactly seem likely.
SOKOHAMEHA
>>539231994She'll be an assist
This mobile game is really randomly freezing my entire PC in menus
>>539231994>I'm hoping for a moveset without Gohan for onceI could maybe see her having skills without him, but there's no way an Ultimate won't include Gohan. Not only because such moves in Videl's moveset mostly include him, but also because she has nothing of note that could be one.One thing I imagined though, while Videl would more likely to be a Technical, they could make her into a Tank considering how long she got beaten up by Spopovich kek.
>>539233043just bamco things
>>539233112>videl's moves summon spopo to toss her around like a ragdoll and inflict damage on nearby enemies as a consequence
Is it just me or is Dabura bad?Sustained damage melee while there's so much fucking burst in the game. Stone Spit would've been interesting on a tank but he's just so fucking squishy
>>539233550dabura was some bullshit with buu when buu actually stunned you, you would get perma stunned into death.
>>539233550if you're fighting against people who don't know about vanishing out of it, he'll fucking demolish them
I think Cabba should inherit SSB. Caulifla should get an original evolution of super Saiyan (like youngjiji's ultimate super Saiyan). Kale should get something that looks like SS3 like God Belly.Thoughts?
>>539224698Caulifla has pretty much nothing going for her if you give it a deeper analysis than her tits. >>539224930 is a truth nuke. Caulifla is utterly outdone by her own fusion that acts exactly like her.Goten and trunks on the other hand are just underdeveloped. Trunks has his future counterpart to bounce off of and Goten's the son of the main character so there more potential with the two of them.
I'm bored af bros, S in dps and A2/A3 in the other roles. Ques take 25 minutes, the game quality is still 50/50, AND I HAVE NO FUCKING ZENI CAUSE I FELL FOR THE MINIKU SCAM ASWEL. Legit all I can do is quick play for my daily shards.
Should I get trunks, 17 or Cooler?
>>539235349how do you get daily shards?>>539235458I suggest 17 or Cooler
>>539235519There's like 5-9 games a day where when you play you get anywhere between 65 to 120 shards for seemingly random characters. It dies down to an eventual 1-12.
>>539234685>Kale should get something that looks like SS3 like God Belly.?
>>539236598Autocorrect
>>539231994She's definitely having Great Saiyaman tagging along.>>539232212Nah, they need girls to sell costumes to waifufags. And she's one of the few whose inclusion would have been justified.
>>539231994BIKINI SKIN! BIKINI SKIN! BIKINI SKIN!Look just take the swimsuit skin from xenoverse and add it for A18 and Videl when Videl finally gets added in genshin.
>>539236598What the fuck
>>539237290It's kino
>>539237014Z Broly the only saiyan to not be pure hearted but achieve his own version of super saiyan god.
>>539237081>Nah, they need girls to sell costumes to waifufagsI wonder who's going to be the game's Barbie doll. 18? Videl? Caulifla?
>>539231994All her notable moves are generic kicks and flips so it's Saiyaman Summon time for her as a technical.
>>539235152>Potential lol
>>539237978I think Videl has the most official outfits to choose from, so she's easy for the role.
>>539237978>>539239256Videl or Bulma
>>539237978only one of those three characters came with an outfit at launch, so i'd say she's the safe presumption unless videl appears in the next few months with an extra outfit or two
Great thread so far
I wonder if saiyan women do that "THE ARMOR STAYS ON!" during sex autism too
>>539239885>BulmaI don't think she's becoming a playable character. Unless her entire moveset are her flying in a small with a jetpack while Vegeta/Trunks does all the attacking or something like that.
>>539240826Bulma + pilaf gang like Frieza
>>539240962That would certainly be more creative than just having Vegeta around.
best cards for frieza?
Always kill the bosses. Won a game where my bottom lane went 0/6/0 and 0/8/4 respectively. Thank you bosses.>>539241336I go max damage on him- snowball, giant, and then either wicked if I want the damage or backstab if I want the cooldown.
>>539240586It's a "If you want it off you have to BREAK it off" mindsetProves fitness among mates
>>539242727I tried movement speed this match, full technician but I feel like I need some more damage
>>539231853>>539224930sucks nobody has drawn her with her hair down.>>539207359I wonder what it was about Paragus that inspired them to go full schizoid with him, like western fans have with Krillin and Jiren
>Network Error 1, game basically dies.>Try to load back in.>Now tells me I can't rejoin the match, wait for it to end.>It's been 30 minutes.
>>539240042all the girls should get heaps of cute outfits. girls love clothes and fashion, it's unrealistic to depict them wearing the same thing constantly.
AWWWW SHIET HERE COMES KALE
>>539229437I can totally see them doing a double ssj4 unit celebration in this game.
>>539242840I found that without snowball stacks and giant slayer I can't melt bosses fast enough
>>539240586Old Saiyan women would love to get their tails pulled and be dominated in bed.Nu Saiyan women would only do missionary + kissing
>>539243859>Kale
>>539243147Kefla's ponytail always looked very silly. It's hard to tell she has one from most angles. She wouldn't look much different with it down.
>>539244219Caulifla does give basic bitch vibes. That or she's extremely trashy.
Caulifila seems like she'd be gross to live with. She probably leaves toenail clippings everywhere and spits on the floor.
>>539244476I imagine her hair would be more like Kale's. more relaxed and hangs down.
But why
>>539245951Could be a disconnect. I had a game where 6/8 players were disconnected and AFK. It was literally just two guys according to the end screen.
>playing Krillin>encounter an enemy 18>"I-if I win uh, maybe you can increase my allowance, 18... Heh, just a thought..."We're reaching levels of pathetic that I didn't even think were possible.
>>539245328I don't think so. I always visualized it It'd be fairly short and more wide than downwards.I'd draw it but I'm like an hour away from passing out.Kale's ponytail goes down to mid back. Kefla doesn't have enough hair for that.>>539245262She's genuinely disgusting. She lives in the trashiest area as some wannabe mobster.
>>539247696what I meant is it would be halfway between the two girls', rather than exactly like Caulifla.
>>539247346It's normal for Japanese men to give all their earnings to their wife and only get some allowance at her discretion; it's a very matriarchal society.
>>539231994Imagine her últimate being a grab that makes the other character hit you really hard, so Gohan gets angry and pulps then
>>539247945thats what i drew out though. have a rare sideview I found
is piccolo the only ranged carry?
>>539248004>últimate>ú
>>539248949bojack is ranged and kale too
>>539249081oh cool don't think i've seen bojack yetthink I'm gonna unlock either him or frieza next
>at least one afk teammate every matchthis game so ass lol
>Wow loser, your team lets you have 2 Gokus?!
>>539250345hate seeing this midget on my team he contributes NOTHING every single time
>>539250345Miniku players are consistently the worst ones I've seen in the game. And I don't mean not knowing the strats, but the baiscs of the game. Maybe they're just children who do not read instructions.
>>539249081>bojackUm he asked for carries, not carry-mes.
>>539250345did you win? on one hand you only have one GoD ko, on the other your Cooler never died
>>539250672who you carrying as piccolo nyiguh
>>539250851never mind, I saw damage to shellboowomp
GOHANSTOP RUNNING AWAY AT HALF HEALTH GOHANWE NEED TO STICK TOGETHER GOHANNOOOOOO GOHAN DON'T CHARGE YOUR KICK IT LOSSES THE POWERFUL DEBUF IF YOU CHARGE IT THE EXTEA 20% DAMAGE ISN'T WORTH IT GOHANGOHAN LISTEN IT'S OKAY I'M NOT UPSET BUT I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND GOHAN I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR SHIELD ONLY PROTECTS FROM BEAM ATTACKS SO IT'S POINTLESS TO HOLD IT WHILE THE ENEMY IS RUSH ATTACKING YOU PHYSICALLYPLEASE GOHAN JUST FOLLOW ME AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OK LETS NOT ATTACK THE ENEMIES GOD THIS TURN AND GO FOCUS ON LEVELING INSTEAD SO WE'LL HAVE BETTER ODDS IN THE NEXT ENCOUNTER IF YOU DON'T RUN AWAY THIS TIME RIGHT YOU UNDERSTAND NOT TO DO THAT ANYMORE CORRECT HAHAHAHA JUST CHECKING GOHAN I KNOW YOU'RE A GOOD LISTENER
>>539249007My cover has been blown
it's kale time
>>539250615They are kids that started watching dragon ball with Daima so it makes sense.
>>539251073But... Mr Piccolo! Their GoD is wide open! Spirited Away is active! They can't see me! I... I can do it!*runs into goal, gets blasted by Zarbon*
>>539243147>I wonder what it was about Paragus that inspired them to go full schizoid with him, like western fans have with Krillin and JirenIIRC it's because Japan finds the movie impossible to take seriously, so they dunk on it with MAD videos, and despite him having so few lines, him and Broly say every Japanese syllable, so sentence mixing with them are pretty much endless.
>>539252083>IIRC it's because Japan finds the movie impossible to take seriouslybased Japanchadsall 3 Broly movies are kind of dogshit
>>539252229There are 4, which one is the good one
>>539252372There are three GARBAGE Broly movies and one KINO Bio Broly movie.
>hide Zarbon in the grass to protect the GoD>put a bait Dodoria out in front to lure them in>Me hiding in the clouds and waiting for the perfect moment
>>539251560>kids that started watching dragon ball with DaimaOh no... What are those niggas gonna think?>>539252372Broly one is the best one. Bio broly is overrated though. Gotenks vs broly was a missed opportunity and would have made the movie an 8/10. Second coming is bad. It marks the third time Gohan begs his daddy to come save him.
>>539252083>>539252229Paragus's plan is just kind of ridiculous in the first place, although one of the MADs I've seen actually did a good job justifying it, in that he wanted to subject Vegeta to the same fate he lived through, being left in a ditch while the planet was exploding
>>539252846>Bio broly is overrated thoughwhat the fuckI am the only person I have ever known to say anything good about it
>>539244616>extremely trashyGod I hope so
>>539252992Overhated*****I am tired as fuck. I like it myself.>>539253049Put your money where your mouth is and date some white trash bitch from West Virginia. Spend 15 minutes in a trailer park and you'll eat your words.
>>539252954>Paragus's plan is just kind of ridiculous in the first placeI don't even know why they bothered with the new kingdom, Vegeta doesn't give a fuck about it and only goes along to fight the super saiyan. And yes, the plan is overly convoluted since he could have just left Vegeta in that planet then flew away, or just let Broly kill him.>although one of the MADs I've seen actually did a good job justifying it, in that he wanted to subject Vegeta to the same fate he lived through, being left in a ditch while the planet was explodingThat's actually really good.
>>539252846They're gonna think it's kino and so glad they started with a good show instead of Shitper
>>539252083and the Janemba movie isn't also ridiculous?
Why do people expect me to hold the lane as fucking GOHAN, one of the two few characters with DIRECT teammate bonuses? I'd get trying 3/1 when I'm running a tank, or Freeza but wtf with Gohan?>>539251560They really fucked up with not making a single dedicated Daima game if it was supposed to be a jumping on point.
>>539253571>A whole generation that has nostalgia for Daima ss3, daima SS4, orange piccolo, and beastDios mios... Grim...
>>539253607I'm not Japanese but Janemba is partly a comedy. Like, 80%. Gotenks vs Hitler and Fat Janemba are proof of that.I could see people saying Broly takes itself too seriously despite being retarded.
>>539253607I'd assume M8 (And only M8) is so memed on is because it takes itself way too seriously. The Janemba movie is silly, but has significantly more goofiness (Such as fat Gogeta).
>>539253739I never watched Daima but I thought Super Hero was good so that's not too bad.
>>539253739No one will have nostalgia for it because it was unremarkable. It was a standard seasonal show unlike the sensational genre defining Z and the world shaking Super. They're more likely to remember dandadan.
All the characters I like happen to be tanks. My matchmaking days are numbered bros...
>>539253892Fat Janemba is honestly underrated. He's an Innocent Buu ripoff but his fight with Goku was the best one in the movie.
>>539254159Keep telling yourself that, I'm sure one day it will become true.
OH WAITERRRRRRR ANOTHER AFK GOKU PLEASEEEEEE
I wonder if we got Fused Zamasu, would he have his goopy mutant form included as like a transformation or something?
>>539253739... You can't have nostalgia for something that isn't even a year old. Jesus Christ anon. We have no idea what Gen Z/A will be nostalgic about when it comes to Dragon Ball.
OH I didn't know the game had friends lists. Here's my player code if anybody wants to add me: H1QB56gGP27aLU7RName is Beat
>>539255613would be cool if it was a transformation with a few downsides to it like reduced movement speedadds a bit of complexity to the mechanic
>>539255613>>539255786Maybe he'd have a role-change gimmick. Early game he functions as a support and then he becomes a damage or second tank after transforming at like 9 or 10.
>>539251552i need that picture to be a meme.
>>539251073gohan seems ass in general, not sure how you're supposed to "support" with him
>>539253739>In 20 years we'd have to read some anons talking about how Daima ss4 was the best coolest thing they saw as kidsIt's so fucking over
Still wondering who I should get between those 3. Previous thread had these replies:>>539202646>apparently Cell is ass, I'm going to pick Hit since I like the Technical role the most (C17 and Freezer are awesome). Also I'm going to pick caulifla and cooler for tanks so I'm good>>539202780>Hit is good for sneak attacks, clouds and bushes are your enemies worst nightmare>Cell can heal himself and trap people preventing them from running from battle>18 is great for chasing people, all her skills have range and aoeReminder this is a big decision to make since the next time another character from this group becomes available is at level 109. Anyone has anything else to add? Hit looks like the oddest of the 3 from what I've seen, like a stealth version of Krillin.
>>539257573Stay near people to boos their damageRush Attack them to debuff themCharge his kick to stagger or use it raw to debuffHis ult buffs everyone and makes his debuffs fasterHis shield debuffs people if it hits them and prevents like half a second of energy damageAll of this is good in a vacuum but he is so extremely squishy (especially late game) that it's more like he just hangs around for his buffs and throws out a masenko and kick because if he actually attempts to brawl he'll get fried.
>>539258310I'm confident in saying that Hit is the hardest to play, possibly in the entire game. He's weird. Very weird. He's closest to 17. I have no idea how to use him effectively.
>>539259430Yeah I'm considering to get him because he seems to be weird... But maybe he's too weird? I just wish I could at least mess around in training mode before making a decision...
Squadra would be playable if the average dragon ball fan wasn't a retarded knuckle dragging tacopaco
who is the strongest in squadra and why is it BAJITA
just had a cauliflower solo 3 people at once, I froze her with stone spit and we barely did half her health before she broke free and proceeded to kill me and Gohan, just barely didn't kill our zamasu and then escaped alive. What is this character
>>539260936Caulifla or SSJ Goku.Both of them just run the match.
>match ends up becoming a 3v4 because some Kale faggot decides to go AFK >we were actually close to winning without him and would've probably won if it wasn't for himJesus Christ
>>539261089and here I thought zamasu was overpoweredwhat level was she compared to you guys?
>>539261456It's just that the tanks in general are overtuned. If a tank is at full health and I'm playing a technical and I see them while I'm roaming I just shake my head and move on because I know that unless I get immediate dps help it literally won't matter what I do to their health bar.
>>539261089When I played Caulifla while leveling her up to 2 I never transformed even once any match I played because my health never reached 1/4th.
>>539261456Zamasu is a monster in early game but he falls off pretty hard in late game.Caulifla is solid in every phase of the game.that said every single tank in the game melts to Goku
>>539262243I tried goku once but I felt retarded using himif I kaioken while dashing it'll give me the super dash instead of the buff
>>539261089Tanks in general are OP, they do way too much damage and have too much hp.Damagefags can't compare
>>539262428Goku? Hit also does insane damage too
>Want to learn 18>Random effects>SUPER MOVES>Can't properly learn character because moves get altered>New match>SUPER MOVES>New match>Finally no super moves>"A player has disconnected. Forfeiting match in...">New match>Another disconnect>New match>SUPER MOVES
>>539262697Which Goku tho, one is good and the other is dogshit
>>539263169regular goku, daima goku is dogshit.
>>539263134I fucking hate super moves, that shit is the bane of my existence. My DPS just runs in head first and dies twice as fast as usual.
>>539263910Same, it's fun sometimes but most games just turn into braindead super spam. Later in the match it's just impossible to keep track. You either nuke or get nuked.
>>539263910I love super moves ever since I turned off auto talentBut yeah it's by far the most insane rule. Everything else is so-so but everyone starting off with a maxed ability just goes nuts
I tried making a tier list and put more than half the cast in A tier. I'm only A4 right now and main tech so I don't have much experience against early lane tanks but the cast feels pretty balanced to me.It's just that there are a few outliers: Caulifla and Goku on the high end, and Buu and Bojack on the low end. Gohan and Daimaku also feel like they underperform, while Krillin feels like he's almost up there with Caulifla and Goku with how frustrating the bastard is to play against.
>>539264139That one is particularly insane since the "skill 1 will be more powerful" is not nearly as busted. The beginning is so explosive because of that...
>>539264139Yeah, I highly recommend EVERYONE to turn off auto. It doesn't take long to get used to leveling and it gives you way more control over your character, same with cards. Doesn't make me hate super start any less, though...
>>539264650I'm scared.....
Super start should just give two levels of a skill. That way it'll be strong and noticable but not retardedly strong.
Bro it never ends. Modern japanese devs are legit pajeet tier
>Buu can slowly heal 2 people at max level and it locks him to it>17 can psuedoheal his entire team at any level and its just a 1 second animation
any squadra rooms
>>539252714That sounds like a great idea actually...
>>539267019Buu genuinely just kinda sucks. CC is mid, damage is low, healing is poor. Only thing he has going for him is that strangle gum and his ult are actually pretty nice. Heard he was good in the beta so now he's just paying for his crimes.
I want to draw Zangya but I'm limited with my skills.
Is goku busted or am I just playing worse than him?>android 17 goes afk at critical point of the match>get rapes rest of game because top lane gets destroyed
>>539269594Who cares just draw her anyway
Uub's voice is terrible. It sounds like he's gargling.>>539269698No, Goku genuinely is busted. His damage is insane and needs to be nerfed.
>>539269943Some of his damage could be transferred to Daimaku.
>>539269594do it anyway, follow your heart, and if you draw, your skills wont grow.Do you think goku said "I want to fight but im a low class warrior"
>Can always tell when you're going to lose. How are Goku players all. SO. FUCKING. BAD?!?
>>539270167I despise SSJ Goku players so much because they have the strongest character in the game and still manage to be ass.
>>539270167Just today I had a Goku who refused to leave the safe zone and kept grinding. Very poorly too because when I was level 6, he was level 4.Yesterday I had a Vegeta who went for the top lane while I was alone at the bottom lane trying to do, something. Both times we lost of course... I can now understand why Freeza and Baby hate saiyans so much.
I have like 8 games in a row where the my allies get confused on what lane to go to within 1 minute. Dying immediately, going afk for 30 seconds, and then going to the opposite lane as before being the most common.
>>539270295>SSJ Goku goes top.>Disappears.>Emerges bottom, 3 in bot lane now.>Support left top solo.>Leave to help top, playing Vegeta>Now SSJ Goku dies, goes back top.>Now 3 in top leaving 1 attack bot.>Go back bottom, Goku dies 2 more times top and then heads bottom>Enemy team has such a level lead on my team mates because of Goku that we get steamrolled. WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU FUCKING APE?!
Friendly reminder you can customize the auto attack priority
>>539271210Still don't know which one I want. PC gets cursor which is obviously the best one but on controller it's a lot harder. I've been using lowest hp for now to target mobs.
>>>/v/720775003
>>539271345I'm using nearest cause of a match where I fucked up a Kamehameha by Goku targeting a minion instead of Cooler
>>539271548Based
>Lane partner is killing cell jrs instead of helping with team fights AGAIN
>Lane partner is flying in to get killed instead of staying back and farming AGAIN
>>539273635Yeah that's a problem too but my problem is when we're level 13+ and you niggas are still killing cell jrs lol, also stop fucking trying to kill people when their tower is up so many retards keep doing this
>We split into 2 teams of 2 at the start>Gohan goes to bot BECAUSE FUCK IT>"You wanna change lines, well ok I'm gonna go top and help our goku">Gohan goes top as well>Enemy destroys our bot GoD>I Alt f4Why are dragon ball fans so fucking retarded?
>>539273931>He needs Chudhan to carryThat's a good question you asked.
>>539275101What are the honest characters in this game?
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>>539225802strawman + ad hominem>>539228343>they live in another universethat doesn't mean anything in Dragon Ball Super. Goku walked around for a whole arc with a remote in his back pocket that teleports the overdeity. somebody could just give the U6 Saiyans a remote that teleports them back and forth from their universe. lol>spin-offi barely trust the writers of the main story, and you want them to start a spin-off? no shot.
>>539275256Frieza because I main him. My main is always the strongest (but not overpowered, merely high A) most honest high skill character.
Cooler bros what's your build path?Laser is clearly the weapon of choice by virtue of the low cooldown meaning it's your tops dps and triggers you passive more often.I really like the increased range on the grab but anti flash step aura is great for teamfights
You will have sex with monkeys. You will help repopulate the saiyan race.You will be happy.
>>539276390If you have a Dabura lane partner max the anti flash step aura asap so he can just petrify everyone
>finally get a tank game>dominating early>error code 0
>>539277889I just got an error code 0 at the very start of the match, so I'm going to have to wait 15+ minutes for Zen-Oh to flip a coin.
>>539278303He actually does a draw. Winner is decided by whoever did more GoD damage and if it's equal, it's a tie.
>>539275793>barely trust the writers of the main story, and you want them to start a spin-off? no shotIf there is no trust, there is nothing to loose.At the end would be having them in their own adventure being able to be their own protagonist.Instead of sitting in the background while Goku deals with freezer black
>Goku players never play well.>Play Goku>Dominate with a ZamGoku is still easy as fuck to play. Kaioken, leap, Kaioken, Kamehameha.
>>539279548Playing Goku is a good way to retard-proof your team somewhatAlso you can kaioken mid-jump or kamehameha and it was the same effect.
I hit A4, think I'm gonna call it quits for ranked since match time is taking too long. Guess I'll mess around in quick matches until more players hit high ranks and try and learn Hit.
>>539235152Caulifa is just generic tuff anime chick with nothing else. If she wasn't a Saiyan she'd wouldn't even get a fraction of the attention.
>>539280215You could also try to play another class.
>>539279926It's so easy to win with Goku. Just won this 3v4 since our Zam quit. Nobody could stop me. I just don't get why so many people can't play him.
>>539281951Because they're toddlers or browns.
>>539282147That would check out.
SENZU-SAMA in SPARKING ZERO next!
Frieza sucks
>>539284342His turrets should just be circles, the half circle and thick line thing is awkward in a fight.
You shouldn't be able to chip away at GoDs if your burst gets interrupted, this is retarded.
>>539284386Yeah, maybe make only their summoning attack directional
>>539284402Yeah, it wasn't like that during the second test, this is annoying.
>Guy takes Goku before I can get him.>Fuck, Piccolo it is since I don't have Trunks and don't want to play Daimaku>Dies a bunch, leave>Still carry the fucking game 3v4. Jesus it's like PTSD tonight.
>>539284342His minion summon skills are ass because they have too long of a cooldownMost Heroes can kill them with one skill that they can use again in 8 seconds while Frieza loses his skill for nearly 20 seconds and he has to set them up cause they aren't instantaneous, everyone just shoots a beam but you got to place the summon skill and wait for them to reach max range for them to be effective.Lastly if you have both summon skills in use you only have the Royal decree skill and ultimate for attacking Gods, this rule does not apply to other characters so Frieza is just lacking, if you have a character that counters his turrets with AoE range skills then you've effectively shutdown Frieza.He's just too predictable, either his summons are chilling somewhere protecting a God, fighting a boss, or hidden in clouds and bushes.
>>539284931>and don't want to play DaimakuHe can be fun but you need your teammate to be on the ball.
man I do not understand Baby at all.Is he supposed to be a tank?He plays like a pure supportIn fact he plays like the weakest cuck support
>>539285542soak up 99% of damage as Babypossess ally at 1% hpthey heal you both back to fullkill them or retreatbut yeah he's a support tank, extremely strong with a good dps, probably top 3 tanks in the game I'd say
>>539260936Jeeta only has his gay ball stun, all his other shit is worthless. His only benefit being that he is impossible to kill late game, but he doesn't do shit so it might as well be like hitting a wooden dummyCooler is the best tank in the game by farBoth him and goku can solo carry games
>>539285542He's a hybrid character, part tank and part technical, possess allies to heal yourself and whoever you possessed, possess enemies by using a finisher on them so you get a new health bar and can use their skills against the enemy, use energy explosion to deal slow down enemies and finger barrage to deal damage over a wide area.The problem is that you got to have an ally that also knows how to use him, too many times I've possessed an ally and they decide to run wasting the possession.Hypothetically If you got a good ally Baby will likely never be defeated
>>539286896>Hypothetically If you got a good ally Baby will likely never be defeatedHis possession is basically a mini ult so you just ult in turn.
>>539286607Sure that's the "plan"What really happens>Retard Goku jumps into the middle of 2 people>Baby so fucking slow it takes me 10 minutes to catch up to him even though he's only 3 feet away>Spam my beam>Spam my aura>They just ignore me since I do negative damage>Jump inside Goku. Maybe the life steal will give him more strength>Failure to understand Object permanence kicks in and he thinks I've left the game forever and he's now in a 2 v 1 and immeidaly starts running backwards >Gets chased down>I yeet out to body block>He's already dead>Then I'm dead>Top lane is dead>I stare at the 55 seconds left on the surrender buttonThe >Steal your opponent's body after he's deadIs the icing on the cake, it's like>Hey bro, why don't you play a better character, here you go
>Majin Buu refusing to healSo why the fuck did you even pick him, I swear this player base is fucking pissing me off
I think I have Hit's gameplan down.>max damage>refuse to let the squishiest person on their team play the gameThat's it.
>>539286607>but yeah he's a support tankYeah, his skill 1 even pushes opponents away, which's more of a move to be used to mess with enemy positioning, which sounds more fitting for support.
Uub's moveset is interesting...>Skill 1 and 3 cause ki blasts to fly above Uub, Skill 1 doesn't have to hit for that, but you get double if you do>Ki blasts are used either with his rush attack, super attack>Skill 1 is a big distance beam>Skill 2 does crap damage for a damage dealer, but it speeds up Uub's rush attack speed>Skill 2 also has less cooldown if you use do rush attack while ki blasts are flying above him>Also it undoes being transformed into a candy (Referencing when he used the move when inside baby, undoing his own candy transformation)>Skill 3 is a dash in that the more you upgrade, the more times it can be used. Sounds like it can be used to escape if you're surrounded, since at level 3 you can use it 3 times>Super attack does good damage, does more the more ki blasts you haveHe seems to be a "win more" kind of character, unimpressive at first until he can do a little more when he has ki blasts above him... A cool idea, but kinda pointless when Goku exists. Still find him fun though.
SS Goku players either carry the team or feed the enemy team, it's strange that there's no in-between, pure 50/50 with this one.
>>539266168>Modern japanese devs are legit pajeet tierAlways have been.
>>539290162Every developer
>>539291421Based
who do i take if i want to win
>>539287812because the heal is mediocre, the debuff is more important
>We were winning>Team suddenly give upWhat?
>>539292281>surrender vote fails>we winNEVER GIVE UPNEVER SURRENDER
>>539292086Characters can survive fights just by the heal alone, is that bad?
>>539292281Seriously, after that shit, I'm done playing for the day, holy shit. I saved the GoD SO many time and they only had 2 GoDs left, one half dead, we just had to take 1 boss and it was a win.I'm SO mad
>>539275793I'm still shocked we never got this in Heroes. Shueisha and Toei were holding a lot of shit hostage on the off chance they might get around to it eventually.
Waiting for her to be a helper when Broly Super shows up
>>539291914Cooler to carry gamesTrunks to piss off your team 17 if you're a good playerGamma is pretty decent
Can you not lose letter grades? I lost two matches at A4 and remained at 0 points.
>>539292483It seems the only thing Dimps was allowed to mess with was Rosé, since SSR2 and SSR3, and even a form beyond it, were allowed.SSR beyond SSR3 now looks funny, since Daima made SS4 be the next step from SS3 (GT's SS4 wasn't the case, it's basically a transformation path).
>>539292361Stabilizing a bad situation is worse than winning a neutral one. The heal might save someone through some noncommittal burst but if it doesn't turn the whole fight around so you can score a kill and get some momentum then it's inherently more niche
>>539292698That's not really true. They did Super Saiyan Blue Berserk, a Controlled variant, Evil Super Saiyan, Turles' Evil Saiyan form, Vegetto got Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, and Gogeta got Super Saiyan Blue Evolution.
Whats with Twitter e-celebs suddenly going "gimme Fusions 2 man" NOW. Don't they realize that the devs are kind of busy rn? And will be for the next 5 or 10 years too.
>>539292860Oh, also Universe Tree Super Saiyan Blue and Limit Breaker Super Saiyan 4
Is nappa not going to be a playable character then since he's a boss?Seems kinda a wasteSame with Android 16... and beerus? Since he's a god?
>>539291421I don't like when 'doki' is translated as 'throb'. it's onomatopoeia for a heartbeat, rather than a verb. a more accurate translation would be 'ba-dump' or something similar.
I get triple D,all my ranks are D.
>>539292489clap cheeks
>>539292860>They did Super Saiyan Blue Berserk, a Controlled variantI had forgotten about that...>Evil Super SaiyanWhich one is that? Cumber?>Turles' Evil Saiyan formTurles is a movie villain, not really relevant to e messed with, but fair enough.>Vegetto got Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, and Gogeta got Super Saiyan Blue Evolution.Those are logical extensions of what Goku/Vegeta can do, Kale and Caulifla getting new forms are not (They could in theory reach those forms, but whether or not there were plans for it we don't know, which's also why no one besides Goku/Vegeta are getting god forms).>>539293068>Oh, also Universe Tree Super Saiyan BlueThat one is a very temporary power up at least, it's stacking an original power into SSB (Which's also what Controlled Berserk is now that I think of it).>Limit Breaker Super Saiyan 4I remembered it as soon as I posted... GT related stuff seemed to be free reign since it wasn't getting new stuff, which does explain why Xeno Gohan can go SS4, and Xeno Goten got Ultimate (Xeno Pan still doesn't have SS1 though lmao).
>clutched a game by killing both GoDs after I killed the third boss and then stalling for 20 seconds so a teammate could respawn and we didn't get wipedFrieza has a really good gamer chair
>>539293431what kind of support would that give to the team?
>>539294280Projectile deletion like a kiai
>>539293431like this?
>be trunks>all enemies are either defending top's last GoD or fucked off elsewhere>two enemy GoD remain on bottom lane>go down there and it's empty>kill the two GoD one after the other>enemy krillin that's been wreaking havoc on us all game shows up right as I finish>ult his ass and he's got like 30s respawn>head to top and kill final GoD>teammates stay to fight enemies even after it's down>k den>go and grab the dragon ball and winthat was truly exhilarating
>>539231428Note is pure!
>>539293351That doujin isn't Japanese, though it is based on them. I think older translations used to translate it as "badump" but it changed to "throb" at some point.
could you tell me about the masked saiyan and why there are no more games with them?
>>539295154He's Goten Black after being trapped and betrayed in Towa's evil magic.
>>539295154He's alt universe King Vegeta betraying the universe for more power
Add him, cowards.
>>539295154He's Raditz after cutting his hair and doing no training at all.
>>539295154He's Piccolo in a Saiyan costume after Gohan betrayed him at the costume party and trapped him in it
>>539295364that sounds nice, having goten do anything, even if is other version>>539295430you mean this guy? the king of mask
>>539295573No, that guy you just posted is Caulifla after her gender reassignment surgery
>>539295524support unit, slowing aura
>>539295527>>539295542>>539295637dear god, so much lore and twist, sounds great. having a mask really improves so much
>>539295645We already have slowing aura helpers. Make him a hero.
>>539295154He's mind controlled and purple stink gassed bardock
>>539295524Chances are he'll just be part of Ginyu's moveset.>Skill 1 Guldo>Skill 2 Recoome>Skill 3 Jeice and Burter>Super attack all of themUnless they try to implement body switch, but it'd probably be temporary them (Much like Baby possessing someone is temporary).
>>539295524sorry, you get gynyu hero, which throws him from time to time to make an AoE slow / freeze at max level.
>>539295669>having a mask really improves so muchA mask single handedly saved Super 17's design.
>>539295697>make him a herolol no, helper at best
>>539295725sweet power gas
The average Cabbafag knows not 1 millionth of the pain of a BotamoCHAD.
>>539295745AREN'T I A GREAT CAPTAIN!?!
>Me, Dabura, and Trunks are all level 11/12 while our Vegeta is still Level 8>And is still trying to 1v1 enemies 4 levels higher than himOh my fucking God just fuck off and go farm in the spawn area you are actively feeding you dipstick
>>539296149I like Winnie fine, more than most do, but like...who the hell has him as a top want? If not even *I* want him that badly, somethings wrong with you.
>>539275708Cute
>play baby>steal caulifla's body>bonerdamn it, I didn't want to that happen
>>539296149He'll be Auta Magetta's ult
I'm new to Mobas. How many characters do they start with more or less (Around 20? 30?), and how many characters do they have years down the line?
>>539296360>play caulifla>she says something about the opponent being her first course or some other meal-related thing>bonerfuuuuuuuuck
>>539296360>steal caulifla's bodyBaby is ripping off his Universe 6 ripoffs!
>>539295837Super 17's design is cooler than most of the nuDB designs of the last decade.
>>539296620I kinda want some of the Heroes slop OCs. The girl Baby ripoff is cute and Hearts could be fun.
>>539261450It's always kales that go afk
>>539296906>The girl Baby ripoff is cuteShe is, but she wasn't that popular even in Heart's arc. Not to mention mechanically she's made redundant by Baby. Most standout thing they could do is having her brother fight alongside her, maybe a Gammas 1 and 2 situation (Even though Oren and Karmin are even more interchangeable with each other than Gammas 1 and 2)>and Hearts could be fun.Yeah. I don't know how they could implement his heart reading (Maybe if you use on someone you get to automatically vanish if they attack), but the gravity cubes could be a projectile that slows down opponents at least. There's a lot that could be done with him.
bojack unbound is the most forgettable slop ever, why did he get a character slot over... well idk anyone would be better
So does upgrading the star coin whatever thingy actually do anything? it sure doesn't feel like it
>>539297836>bojack unbound is the most forgettable slop everSuper Android 13 outdoes even Bojack in that.
Okay so Piccolo imo is a sorry ass DPS. Yeah yeah Zoning but that means fuck all when Goku and Vegeta hit you with blinding speed and kill you.Also, while playing as Goku, I kept getting killed by the enemy Trunks and was 3 levels under him. So I said fuck it and went back to farm all those enemies that pop up near your spawn. A minute of doing that and I went right up to Trunks, killed him, and ended up a level above him for the rest of the match kek. Don't be afraid to go farm if you're under leveled, your teammates can hold their own for at least a minute. >>539297919It just levels you up so you can unlock more characters
>>539297919All it does is raise your star level, nothing else. Star level is used to obtain other characters for free. Try to make as many characters as possible level up once before putting the characters at level 2, as this allows you to get more levels. Don't spend Zeni at the daily shop, use it exclusively for star level upgrades.If you're wondering if star level affects anything combat related, the closest thing it does is unlocking assists, but that's all.Grab Daimaku to have an extra character, the more characters, the better to level up.
>>539297836>TFS still seething that they got filtered by bojack
>fastforward to 2035 Gekishin Squadra>our Haze Shenron and Veku keep feeding to their Gine and Spopovich>the South Supreme Kai Absorbed Kid Buu is farming instead of helping me in lane against their SSJ3 Raditz and Sorbet>barely pull out a win because Dr Lychee's ult is just THAT bustedFuck. At least I reached Star Grade 627 after that much. Hope Luud is good, I picked him over Chilled...
>>539298234There is no way this game isnt dead by 2027.
>>53929792513 has the dub and hitting Goku in the balls. At least I can remember Bojack as the guy who transformed for no reason. Slug and Wheelo are more forgettable.
>>539298234>Hope Luud is goodLuud is a season 5 character stuck in season 10 lmao. Sucks buddy.
>>539298318Breakers is still going, anon
>>539298443On life support.
>>539298234>he fell for the Luud memehis gimmick gets raped by Bibidi who's everywhere these days
>>539298484Tbf it's been on life support for longer than it's not
>>539298234>Not just paying $30 for a level 800 account with 750 dragon gems Wyd? I'm buying Oceanus Shenron immediately
>>539294280additional manpower, in 10-15 years
>>539298484That means nothing. People said the same about XV2 3 years ago.
>>539298234moro goddamned when?
>>539292860The only notable one there is the evil Saiyan form that makes you look like raditz. The rest are super minor variations.>>539255621Gen Z are adults now. Try asking them.I have nostalgia for Kai and DBS but I recognize the latter is pretty subpar.>>539275793>that doesn't mean anything in Dragon Ball Super. Goku walked around for a whole arc with a remote in his back pocket that teleports the overdeity.Holy shit a non retarded person in the threads.
>>539298904Goat cell will stay in Toyo's shitty fan ficiton
>>5392989042036 bro here, still not a single Super manga character in any Dragon Ball video game yet.
>>539298958>Gen Z are adults now. Try asking them.As oldest Gen Z, I got into DB through Kai and then DB anime/Manga. I'm nostalgic for the threads on /a/ than super its self
>>539294534why'd he have to do Cabba dirty like that
>my fat cute husband will never be playable because all GoDs are the towersTch.
>>539299413Would you settle for Arak?
>>539299565
>>539299413Have you considered not being a fat chasing gay furry
am i correct in saying nail is the best dps assist
>>539283435>countered by Yajirobe
>>539299837Did you consider not (You)ing me with the most retarded suggestion possible? My answer is the same.
>GoD of Destruction
Goddamn it I can't get kale's dadada out of my head...
>>539296789Hahahaha no, not even closeNot unless you're a homosexual
Freezypops or Ooooooob?
super 17 is an abominationi'd smash base 17 tho
>>539301448>Super 17 is a [LIE]
>>539295047my face belongs right there
Super 17 is the most questionable part of GT. Why was it made and for who?
does Farmer do enough damage to warrant picking him over Shu?
>>539301701Everything about GT was rushed. Instead of creating a whole new character backstory they could just "Guess who's back!?"
>>539302109>Everything about GT was rushed.no shit, they made it RIGHT after the final episode of Z.Super was made after a 15 year old break and guess what? It was STILL "Guess hwo's back!?"
>>539302426Super, GT, and Daima are all straight sewage compared to the original manga
>>539302582Original manga is overrated, the buu arc was improved tremendously in the anime.
>>539302719Hard disagree. The Buu arc's problem was it dragged way too long and the anime exacerbated that.
The Buu arcs problem was that 95% of it was Goku trying to get somebody else to solve the problem only for Goku to just step up at the end when they all fucked up.
>>539299413https://youtu.be/vDC9S8_mNxY
I hope the next Missions won't give out just Battle pass points since I think most players already reach max level or close to it lol
I now have a dps, tank and tech mainKaleVegeta17
>>539304218>you don't earn points over the limit for the sake of future Battle PassesSCAM
>>539297925How dare you! A13 has a soft spot in my heart thanks to my brother and I always calling him Trucker thanks to his hat. We then dub him Truckasaurus when her goes super. We've memed it so much he's legit one of my bother's favourite characters.
>>539296906 There's plenty to draw from that well for waifufags
do i suck or does piccolo do no damage whatsoever
>>539305839The former.
looks like the game has decided for me that i'm a dabura main, queueing for all roles always gives me dps and dabura seems easy and strong
>>539303206for a significant part of it, Goku was dead. his reasoning was that the matters of the living should be handled by the living, because he isn't going to be there to solve everybody's problems for ever. He technically wasn't even supposed to be there to begin with, he was on a special day pass granted by Yemma.
>>539305568I like how literally only Chronoa actually looks like a DBZ character, all the rest would fit far better in DQ
youtube.com/watch?v=Hoc0j1k3WvcKINOOOO
>>539305839he's a range attacker in a game where everyone has a gap closer. Thankfully Piccolo has TWO gap closers, or I guess gap wideners.
What is that tent button on the top right? It appears for a split second when returning from a match.
>>539301223Furiza is great, pick Oob if you like playing Akihiko in P4U.>>539309271Probably something for a Season 1 event?
>>539305568Aeos doesn't have knife ears? but 21 does? that's crazy
>>539309271there's a third type of capsule we haven't seen yet, probably for events>controllerbut why
>>539308892how can piccolo widen the gap
>>539310580use his stretchy noodle arms on your teammate that is running away at 80% healthor Gohan
>>539302719It blew my mind flipping through the manga out of curiosity and finding out that Goku vs Majin Vegeta, one of the best fights in the entire series, was almost entirely anime filler. It was like 3 panels in the manga just to show you that they were fighting. Toriyama was honestly a hack and Toei gets way too much hate considering they're the ones responsible for most of what people actually like about dragonball.
>>539309551Android 21 is a demon. Aeos does have knife ears that artist just fuarked up. In her base form they're covered by the hair.
They need to change the matchmaking, having long streaks of wins and long streaks of losses is just not fun.
>>539311443It's literally just this one fight, almost every iconic moment comes from the manga. The combos that become basis for game Super attacks are mostly Toriyama's choreography. Anime does some good additions, especially the Buu saga, but most of what they created was uninspired padding, fucking up with character, lore and powerlevel consistency.
>>539311443Goku vs Majin Bejita is very overrated ngl. IN its own arc it's not even the top 5 most important fight.
Chat is this real?
>>539311443That fight was shit, Goku should have had the advantage if anything.
B-b-but Pikkon... and Garlic Jr. too! We love those here right???
>>539311964What's wrong with their bodies? they look really off especially their eyes, do you have a shot of 21's knife ears? and who is the girl with Jesse from Pokemon's hairstyle? I've never seen her before
>>539312842I've always disliked PikkonGarlic Jr. could fit in though
>>539312842I love all of Dragon Ball.
>>539313080Pikkon is the one major Toei character Toei invented without any help from Toriyama. It really shows with how fucking nothing he is. He's worse than Jiren.>>539313036In the Toriyama art she has spiked ears. They're usually hidden by her hair.As for >539311964 this post, on the left is Aeos on the right is Chronoa. Both are in their "Time Power Unleashed" states.Android 21 is a Majin (type of demon) so she should have spiked ears.
>>539313537>Android 21 is a Majin (type of demon)Majins have hole ears like Buu.
>>539312842Okay, admittedly Garlic Jr. did produce one of the most iconic dragon ball moments...
>>539313868This scene broke /dbs/
>>539313985Puar never jobbed.
>>539314156He was literally bullied by Oolong.
>>539312361Off the top of my head in the buu saga alone there's also Gohan vs Buutenks, SSJ2 Goku vs Kid Buu and Vegeta vs Kid Buu which were greatly improved or in Goku's case outright didn't even exist. Outside of that I can also think of the Z-fighters fighting the Cell Jrs>muh powerlevelsWho honestly cares if ignoring them makes for a better fight>>539312842I raise you History of Trunks and Father of Goku, disingenuous niggerfaggot.
>>539315273>I raise you History of TrunksLame and trying too hard.>Father of GokuNeat but mega overrated.
>>539314156puar jobs to yamcha's cock
>>539315273>Off the top of my head in the buu saga alone there's also Gohan vs Buutenks, SSJ2 Goku vs Kid Buu and Vegeta vs Kid Buu which were greatly improved or in Goku's case outright didn't even exist. Outside of that I can also think of the Z-fighters fighting the Cell JrsWere these improvements? Yes. Were they "most of what people actually like about dragonball"? No. It's cool they're there, but they're not the most iconic part of the franchise. >Who honestly cares if ignoring them makes for a better fightSome sembalnce of consistency is required for fights to be meaningful. Also, funny how you picked just that one complaint.
>>539315273>Gohan vs Buutenks, SSJ2 Goku vs Kid Buu and Vegeta vs Kid BuuAll of these were padded fights that were stalling the plot at hand. These were used to stall for time to allow the manga to pull ahead. Nothing of value is lost from them not being there. Especially SS2 Goku vs Kid Buu.>The specialsExceptions to the rule where they actually made something good. They used already existing Toriyama set pieces though. I was listing toei exclusive inventions.Hell, Toriyama designed bardock.
>>539305568What's Panzy doing there?
>>539315273>Who honestly cares if ignoring them makes for a better fightEveryoneThere's no point to the fucking story if internal consistency goes out the window whenever the creators feel like it and Toei has goku scream in pain when a rock is gently tossed at him.
>>539316752>goku scream in pain when a rock is gently tossed at him.I just checked. I thought that was in the manga. Kek the anime made him get hurt by rocks and elephants.
>>539316752I think Cell Jrs. fight is a funny case of thoughtlessness. And I'm not even talking about the famous Yamcha/Tenshinhan scene but Piccolo. He's clearly the strongest of the team in the anime, capable of taking multiple Cell Jrs. at once. But they still adapt the manga line claiming Vegeta and Trunks are the only one holding their own, contradicting their own version of the events.
>>539315450You're lame and trying too hard.>>539315572Bro what, it's a battle shonen, of course the fights are the iconic part. You want iconic out of those examples, there's Vegeta climbing out of the pit against Buu, entirely anime filler.You wanna talk about filler "ruining" character moments how about Vegeta's whole number one speech which in the anime is a heartfelt and sincere conclusion to a character arc several sagas in the making, meanwhile in the manga it's just a setup for a shitty gag>>539316280They're infinitely more fun to watch than one-sided stomps where the other character may as well not be doing anything. This is the most important thing for a shonen. Also made Gohan look like less of a massive bitch which was sorely needed I would say.>>539316752This is such a non-complaint. It just shows that the characters can be caught off guard. Does this ever even come up in a fight? What's the issue? You're just looking for irrelevant shit to complain about
>>539317374>made Gohan look like less of a massive bitchGohan was a massive bitch in that fight. Really fucking internalize what happened. He sat on his ass for 70 hours for a powerup after jobbing pathetically to fat Buu, acted cocky in a 5 minute encounter with super Buu, let super Buu come up with a plan, and allowed super Buu to do it for free. Gohan literally lost to someone he started out stronger than.He is absolutely a dumb bitch. Anything that makes him less of a bitch is a bad adaptation of the manga. https://youtu.be/uYtXj6dfTs0 unrelated anime fight
>>539317374>It just shows that the characters can be caught off guardIts the worst possible way to do it, goku used to eat sniper rifles to the skull with nothing more than a bruise.>Does this ever even come up in a fight?>internal consistency is a non-complaintKeep shoveling down shit, the rest of us have actual taste.
>>539317608Kid Buu is the strongest Buu bros... What the FUCK is this?
>>539311443there are a lot of moments like that! the anime production back in the 90's often made good use of its "filler" to enrich the story, in a way that i WISH had been done for Super. some other notable anime-only scenes include Vegeta appearing to Goku as a spirit after Freeza kills him, the scene where Vegeta confronts Super Saiyan Goku and Freeza for a moment immediately after Dende resurrects everyone but before they're teleported to Earth, pretty much all of the Time Chamber training scenes including when Gohan first becomes a Super Saiyan, and Gotenks first fight with Buu (in the manga, Gotenks and Buu don't fight until they're in the Time Chamber).also the obvious moments, like Piccolo and Goku driving, a lot of the downtime slice of life stuff leading up to the Cell Games, and Kid Buu going to Other World and HFIL to terrorize the dead before Goku leads him to the Kai's planet.
>>539317374>Bro what, it's a battle shonen, of course the fights are the iconic part. And these aren't the most iconic fights. No.one says "Kid Buu vs. SS2ku, best fight in the series".>Vegeta climbing out of the pit against BuuI assure you that's not the most iconic part of the confrontation.>You wanna talk about filler "ruining" character moments how about Vegeta's whole number one speech which in the anime is a heartfelt and sincere conclusion to a character arc several sagas in the making, meanwhile in the manga it's just a setup for a shitty gagIt's word for word the manga, most of us are capable of feeling emotions without flashbacks and music. And gags have always been part of the series, both manga and anime. If anything, anime-original content has higher gag proportion. The point that Goku's way of life yields better results still stands.
>>539316280I agree btw that dragonball is only good when it's Toriyama's source material adapted by Toei. When Toriyama doesn't have a wrangler you get shit like daipa, when Toei has full control you get nonsense like movie 8>>539317689I have actual taste so I don't acknowledge shitper's existence, as everyone should do
>>539313578pretty much every villain she's made of has hole ears. Freeza, Cell, and Buu. lol
>>539317914I personally wouldn't defend dragonball's filler that much. There's a lot of good additions like the aformentioned majin vegeta fight. But the dragonball anime is an absolute hell of microfiller. No amount of funny episodes of goku driving can make up for all the shitty panning shots and looped animations
>>539317914>including when Gohan first becomes a Super SaiyanThat's in the manga just in shortened form. I found the anime version corny and gay desu.>Gotenks first fight with Buu This one was a gag in the manga. I wish the anime kept it as such.>>539317981I agree with everything you said except movie 8 being bad. I like it because nostalgia for AMVs kek. It's a bit edgier than something Toriyama would make. I despise how TFS turned the thing into a lame meme.
>>539317976Yes they do it's always brought up when referring to examples of good animation and choreography lol, everyone loves the exchanges in that fight they're some of the best.Yes it is. Him getting out of the pit along with his fight in the saiyan saga are why he's a tank in gekishinThe point of that speech in the manga is for Vegeta to talk up Goku just so he can turn around and say "well actually I'm not that strong haha". It's so lame and unfunny it doesn't even register in most peoples' heads that it's supposed to be a joke.>gags have always been part of the series, both manga and animeTime and place>>539317976
>>539318210>But the dragonball anime is an absolute hell of microfillerSo much this. The amount of times namek cuts to what chichi and Bulma are doing makes it unwatchable.
>Have a nightmare I was being bullied by /dbg/ discordWhy....
>>539318474microfiller is insidious because it's the kind of stuff your kid brain just filters out and you only remember the cool stuff like majin vegeta or the additional coreography from cell versus goku. But once you actually go back and watch the series the pacing is just so ass
Long hair gohan SS looks cool
>>539318597I never get why people say super saiyan was trivialized by the u6 saiyans when vegeta gets it entirely offscreen and gohan gets barely 3 panels of justification
>>539318563Kai helps a lot but it doesn't cut out everything. I believe anyone defends the Z anime hasn't seen it in years. Similar concept to GT defenders minus the pedophilia. You love the idea and the memory of Z but not Z in its entirety.
>>539318210that's what the fast forward function on your remote is for. lol>>539318338i don't know, they changed the whole context of that single panel for the anime. in the manga, Goku looks surprised Gohan can almost transform if he concentrates. in the anime, Goku has this almost precognizant faith in Gohan's ability to transform, and uses a Kamehameha to create conditions under which Gohan can utilize that power. the anime version's Goku comes off as being more in-tune with his son and demonstrates wisdom teaching him to tap into his power. plus you get Goku telling Gohan he's proud of him and doing positive reinforcement, which i don't see in that one panel.i would say hands-down the best instances of Goku being a good Dad both come from filler (the Time Chamber and the slice of life stuff before the Cell Games).
>>539318704In the original manga the only character who gets Super Saiyan in a well justified manner is Goku. Everyone else off screens it. The anime hard carries super Saiyan.
>>539318848I'd argue Goku and Gohan simply don't even get to interact that much at all onscreen. There's like what? Goku arriving to beat up the saiyans, the tail end of namek saga, and the very beginning of cell saga before the heart virus?
>>539318338I can never consider movie 8 as anything other than complete garbage after learning that Broly is takao koyama's OC donutsteel and the entire movie is just his wet dream fantasy of having his OC beat up all the main characters for 40 minutes straight. It's also why Vegeta is such an out-of-character pussy in that film, solely to gas up his OC as the bestest and most legendaryest super saiyan ever. The dude even got vocally butthurt that Beerus was placed higher than broly on the powerscale
>>539318848Huh you visualized the manga differently than I did. In my mind that manga panel takes place after Goku getting Gohan a little angry over something off screen. Like Goku has been hyping up Gohan. To me it seemed like this was at the end of some long ass attempt.>Goku telling Gohan he's proud of him and doing positive reinforcementHuh manga Goku doesn't give Gohan any positive reinforcement. It's like he just expected Gohan to do it. What an ass. He could've said something Goku and gohan go fishing and have a picnic in the manga and that's basically it for what we see.Another thing the manga adapted differently is Gohan's hair.>>539319235Broly heavily relies on hype and "aura". If you don't think him rolling over everyone is cool then there's nothing much cool about him. And yes, he is a donutsteel. I guess that's part of the appeal. >The dude even got vocally butthurt that Beerus was placed higher than broly on the powerscaleKoyama said he couldn't imagine anyone being stronger than Broly during the 90s. Then he said he was in disbelief Beerus was stronger.This soft implies broy is stronger than SS4 Gogeta.
>>539318597not me failing to scroll down two posts to see the next page. ugh. well, i still stand by most of what i said, i guess. i'm glad this is more than one and a half panels in the manga after all. lol
>>539318704>super saiyan was trivialized by the u6 saiyansToyo having Cauli achieve it off screen was one of his good ideas. It's implied Kale had it the entire time iirc. Unpopular opinion I think Cabba's transformation was shit in anime and manga.
>>539319813>In my mind that manga panel takes place after Goku getting Gohan a little angry over something off screenthat's totally possible. i see where you're coming from with that appraisal.>Broly heavily relies on hype and "aura". If you don't think him rolling over everyone is cool then there's nothing much cool about him.he has so many cool lines of dialogue. the way he taunts the Shamoians and then effortlessly destroys their planet is so goddamn tough. i need to watch the Broly movie subbed to see how cool his dialogue is in Japanese.https://youtu.be/Jk9xdV4ubgQ?si=fe5fRzhYc9bOW1er
Isn't the blue cards bonus kind of shit?Maybe League of Legends spoiled me but only 10% cooldown reduction for fully commiting to blue cards seems pretty worthless.
>>539321016I just let the game choose cards for me. Too blessed having fun to be stressed by minor buffs.. except for lightning strike that shit bussin
>Torishima (Mashirito): “Hmm... Sorry, but what’s his name again, the one who wrote Dragon Ball Super?”>Others: “Toyotarou.”>Torishima: “Yeah, Toyotarou. Him, and even Shibata (the editor for Beet the Vandel Buster), they’re both bad at manga. They can’t even do the basics.”>“Things like: why do you divide a page this way, how do you guide the reader’s eye, how do you compose a scene? Editors don’t even understand those fundamentals, so they can’t check it. As long as there are drawings on the page, they think it’s fine, but it’s not real manga.”>“So it’s not that the Super manga is bad, it’s that the editors are idiots for not checking properly.”>Torishima (Mashirito): “Honestly, just like with Dragon Ball Super, they should’ve just done a Vegeta story instead. That whole Daima thing is crap. If they’re going to make an anime like that, they’d be better off making Vegeta’s story. That’s what people would actually want to see. Even overseas, like in France, it’d blow up.”Source:https://www.youtube.com/live/7DaeJ3TFMFMTorishima being based again
I haven't seen Pumpki in forever...
>>539322172oh no no no daipa bros...
>>539322172>they should’ve just done a Vegeta story insteadthe whole argument falls apart with this, imagine being a Vegetafag. Torishima what the hell i thought you were based
>>539322172compared to diaper Vegeta would sell hotcakes overseas yep
>>539322442Get with the times. Everyone prefers Vegeta.
>>539322172>>539322229>>539322515even though a Vegeta story would've been awesome stop samefagging its cringe
>>539322985Only the top one is me. The other two could be samefags idk
>>539322985Only the top one is me. The other two could be samefags idkWho's Chris?
>>539322172>they should've just done a Vegeta story insteadthe whole argument is only further enriched with this, imagine not being a bejitabro. Torishima what the hell I didn't know you were this based
>>539322172>complains about demon slayer>complains about DBS/Toyotaro>complains about attack on titan >complains about one piece>complains about DaimaIs there anything he does likes
YABBA DABB AWOOOOOOO!!!!
>>539323380>likes*like*
>>539322172What kind of story would be a Vegeta story?Just fight some random guy with no other character around?Or what kind of character story you would do?
>>539323380He likes the dragon ball manga?
>>539322172 Is it any wonder when you look at Toyo's editors that the Super manga is ass?
I'm not against individual characters getting movies but not a whole damn series, even vegeta can't sustain that with his current bitBut a vegeta movie, a piccolo movie, a gohan movie, etc. wouldn't be bad
Xenoverse 2 is finally good again
https://youtu.be/XPbEhEADsYMBROLY DATING SIM????????
Do you think 18 will get a skin when the first season?
>>539322172>Torishima finally called out on Toyo's stupid editorFucking FINALLY
>>539323902>>539323893>>539323386>NubrolyIf this doesn't give characterization to him it'll be shit.
>>539322172Absolutely unhinged Twitter is going to seethe so hard at this.
>>539323386>140 years old? You look young enough for me.
Is it worth it
>>539324579>Ban evasionGentlemen...
>>539314156He jobbed to my penis
>>539323308Chris Houlihan , you know, the Zelda guy?
>>539323512just take Goku and replace him with Vegeta, that's the only story that works. When they try to have Vegeta "do his own thing" he just jobs, it's not even funny at this point cause it legit feels like they don't know what to do with him
>>539324679I didn't ban evade...???
Broly will master and invent the Omegameha
>>539325107Spare no mercy, my pups.
>do_it_for_her.jpg
Revampbro... How is Revamp gonna ever catch up now??? They're gonna be 2 updates behind.
>>539325165do saibamen make good food?
>>539325376It doesn't matter if they're one or two updates behind, not like meaningful work could be done on the current one without the patcher
>3 PEOPLE IN A LANE AGAINFUUUUUUUCK WHY IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED 2 PEOPLE IN EACH LANE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>539325165>Broly using the KamehamehaChat is this real?
I hate how slow early game is. Have to unlock every ability one by one and they're all shit until level 2 at least, some are crap even until 3 like bejita's technique. Do you guys reckon the game would be overall better or worse if you started with all abilities unlocked from the get-go? I think it'd be way better but maybe I'm overlooking something
>>539322172This just goes to show that the old man lost his touch. "People like Vegeta so Vegeta spin-off will be successful" is something a clueless suit would say, editor needs to think a step ahead like Torishima himself once said. Though I agree on how Toyotaro can't structure his pages.
>>539325291Nulybros... first Beerus and now the Time Patroller...
>>539323380GT
>>539326060Proof?
>>539326193He had a really nice chat with Nakatsuru at the French event. Everything was just positive.
>>539323386
>>539325689I think it would buff Krillin and Freeza who benefit from prep time, now they could set the battlefield up before even the first skirmish happens. Right now they have to earn it.
>>539313868are those.. Roshi's sunglasses?
>>539325224I thought I was on /dbg/ and not /a/ when I made the post that's why I deleted it.
>>539322172>Torishima is a bejitabroI lost all respect for him
>>539326469I recognize this style...
>>539326374KEK
>Helldivers updated>fo76 updated>Gekishin is ok...for now>msg3Δ is pretty fun>xv2 finally getting chapter 3 DLCgonna be a good November
>>539327498I tried to redraw>>539313537but changed the other arm positon
>he took ze lead?>error code 0 eet
gib zenie pls
WHY ARE MY TEAMMATES SO FUCKING RETARDED AAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>539325689I usually dont get my third ability until level 6, prioritize the shit that makes your character strong, like buu's healing or daima goku's wasabi bomb, and you will be killing before ult.
>kill their buu>cut off their Vegeta>ult their ulting Goku>defend the GoD and take the dragon ball>Kill their mercy>cut off their Reinhardt >Ult their ulting Soldier 76>defend the choke and hold the pointYou can literally shitpost overwatch and swap it for Gekishin
>>539332130We're in the period where normies are bored of building normally and want to build dumb shit, even if it ruins the game for all 3 other players on the team.
>>539333395noway games with similar concepts for character archetypes!that means they are exactly the same in the most broad of situations!!!!!!
Why should I take green cards when Trunks' skill resets end fights insanely fast.Pubs don't know how to back off and heal so all you have to do is dump everything on the low HP guy and snowball from there>>539333395It's faster paced than Overwatch in a lot of ways. If you want to generalize then the grand majority of hero shooters and mobas boil down to teams standing behind their tanks until someone fucks up and loses a backliner and shit just falls apart.
>>539333917>t. mercymain
Tonight I will remind them.
>>539334575delayed another 2 months because you keep asking
would be flavorfull to spawn npcs, that when they die, they give you a new ball, and once you get the 7, you can transform.but that probably would be awful
Would Squadra's balance suffer of they allowed a Damage/Tank/Tank/Technical teams? Tanks appear versatile enough for that to work methinks. Or perhaps the games would stalmate too often? Just thinking about it since they have the longest queues, so there's some demand here.
Gentlemen, please show Panfriend the door.
is the new blizzard moba worth playing or is it slop?>>539231428SEXO
>>539231428New dragon ball game is fun
>>539336071right here?
>>539335887Asymmetrical team raid boss battle mode whenFuck these awful game modes they come up withMake it some weird but cool shit
>>539322172>Shits on both the SHARTnga and daipaIs Torishima a /dbs/ poster?
these south american children don't stand a chance
Dabura love
>Try out DAIPAku>He's goodShould have figured you are all shitters
>>539339005Weren't the complaints in this thread that the character is good, but people don't know how to use him when he's on their team? Seems pretty reasonable.
Where my Panzy?
>>539339128What is there to figure out? Not only is he good but he's pretty braindead. Understanding you are playing a ranged character and not throwing yourself at the enemy like a monkey?
>>539337628BASED destroyer of toddlers' hopes and dreams
haven't been able to get a match for the past 10 minutesgreat game
What skins do you guys want for the characters we already have?
>>539340617Bunny suit for Caulifla and Kale
I like freezer, and I understand that they want to punish bad positioning of the characters by giving him long cooldowns.... but it is really punishing.I know is my fault if I put Zarbon on the wrong direction, but If I call them back and they dont get killed they should get a fast refresh or something, some times we win top, and I cant do damage to the GoD because my first 2 skills are on CD or are on the battlefield. so cant do damage to it.... would not like them to just give them 0 CD, but sure need a little buff or change.
>>539340617I dont own 18 or 17, but I would say, her Z costumes... which they will come no brainer.
>>539341153Really? The cooldowns feel really short for me, but I only have them out for 10 seconds max so idk
>>539341547some times they feel short, so dont know what change it, maybe there is a mechanic I have not read
>>539341153I appreciate they didn't go thet lazy route with Final Form Frieza into Golden right at the start and we have this version of OG frieza which is way more interesting. I agree that the kit needs rework though the cds are so high
>playing a good match when the game boots me out>ERM SORRY YOU MUST WAIT FOR THE MATCH TO FINISH BEFORE YOU CAN RESUME TEEHEEfucking hate this shit. Were they only expecting 10 people max to play on their servers? How stupid are the developers?
>>539323902>Pause video>Pic related shows upWhy does youtube push for these people?
>>539341696Whenever you call one of the goobers back it halves the cd. So if you just have them out for their effect and immediately call them back you get their cd's back very quickly
Panzy is one sexy little thing
when are they adding broly to gekishin
imagine having friends to play
>>539343034EventuallyI hope it's Z Broly
>>539342531I'm so glad I gave up on content creation. If I kept going undoubtedly I would have ended up worse than Bojack 0.1.
When is a DB game adding SUPAH BEJITA'S SUPAH RORRINGU THUNDAH PUNCHY--?https://youtu.be/XTPnIcGZ_js?t=256
Naruto collab when?
>>539340617Good Supreme Demon King or Abura alt for DaburaSaiyaman-style costumes or Ginyu Force armor for the GammasLet me get these out of the way but BADMAN for Bejita, POSTBOY for Piccolo, and the 59 jacket for GokuThat qipao with the 4 star dragonball hat for GohanGoku's farmer clothes for ZamasuDaimaku's pajamas from episode 9
>>539344982Postboy and Badman Bejita were skins in the beta of the game
>>539340617
>>539345361imo this is the best official 3D model of Goku out there, i mean they're all pretty good but i don't think i've ever seen a better base Goku in other games
>>539345361I miss the Android 18 Cell Saga skin. Hope we are able to get it soon-ish
>>539346008it feels weird to have 18 without her cell saga outfit by default, honestly
>>539345361Buu with Satan's costume is so adorable... I don't think any game did that before.
God damn people are not prepared for Daimaku to do damageI'm on a massive winstreak just because enemies will repeatedly try to jump me, get brought to low hp by a bomb+lightning combo, then fail to run away from the power pole or stay and get ulted
>>539340617Aside from the costumes featured in the anime, I'd like Kid Saiyaman for Gohan.
>>539270085>>539269943>>539269698specifically Goku is busted with the lightning strikes card that buffs energy attacks after a vanishvanish, kame, 4X kaioken, absolutely broken damage
>>539347162People will keep underestimating you because 99% of Daimaku don't know how to play, so they'll consider you an easy catch.
>new Xenoverse 2 DLC is just Broly, againdidn't we just buy one of this nigga in Chapter 2? LOL
>>539348267You don't get it. That was Brloy (Base) (Z) but it will be Broly (Base) (Super). Aren't you hyped? Also Purple Freeza.
>VN cutscenesthis is a new low
>VN cutscenesthis is ludo
>>539348682>We're one step closer to an official Dragon Ball dating sim
>>539348682>Stealing is not cool.
>>539349138female frieza race and majin waifus
>>539258310 (me)Still wondering... I think Hit is too hard and unusual, and I suck, so I won't be picking him. There's still 18 and Cell.How do you even do his Cell games ring? It's not listed among his moves... But either way, 18/Cell pros and cons?
>I can cuck nuly, but it doesn't count because he's a manchild retardhuh
17 is my boyfriend
>>539350169As a kid I enjoyed the creepy sibling Dynamic the androids had and it was cute seeing 18 stop being evil Aside from that never really cared about them individually
his moment to shine
>>539323380I have his book. He doesn't even like shonenHe fucking reads shojo and novels
>>539348682So Cheelai is now the bike of the Time Patrol?
>>539350985He's just like me(gt)
>>539342515>Same shit happens againWhy did they even launch the fucking game? It's clearly not ready.
>>539335930Tech Tank is too weak in lane probably and having to balance for two tanks on a team is wack.
>>539323512Begeta has to come face the consequences of Saiyan warriors that have conquered planets and converged to form a new Planet Vegeta There's still thousands of Saiyans all across the universe People shit on turles as>le evil gokuBut his concept is good
I think I'm just going to dc every time I see someone hover over miniku in the selection screen lmao
>D-Dad... please... I'm a support, I need help in lane...>WAKUWAKU! Wooow Gohan, look how strong I'm getting by farming jungle! Ooh, I'm gonna go back to spawn and farm along the way! Just keep holding off the enemy lane Gohan! It'll make you really strong!
>>539350125Nuly is the smartest.And Cheelai won't cheat on him.
>>539352670kek, every goku player is indeed like this
>>539352670It's the opposite for me, it's teamfight time and gohan is in the fucking jungle farming by himself lmao
gekishin is an unfinished game.
>>539353324No penalty for afking/dcing has this game in an unplayable state yeah, more so than the server issues imo
There's absolutely nothing fucking funnier in Gekishin than hearing JOBgeta say his boastful jobber lines as his passive activates right before getting BTFO, I swear they did this shit on purpose
>>539353324In the most literal sense, they didn't have their servers ready lmao
Goku is so cute
>>539352270I have wondered for a while, I'd be really curious to peer into a parallel universe where he had a different hairstyle from GokuWould he never get as popular due to lacking the evil Goku hook and be seen as another raditz/nappa, or would be be respected more as another unique take on saiyans?
>>539344407even Yamcha can nuke planets from space, nobody short of like Madara could hope to survive a battle with a Z fighter. and Madara could only pull it off with genjutsu hax.
>>539351313literally me
>Can't keep up with enemy levels because my team will not stop feeding over and overRELEASE MEEEEEE
>>539231428>SDBH has endedNot in my heart
>>539354356This game has farmer with the shotgun capable of killing Buu, I don't think it's a reasonable argument.
>gloriohole's lightning is unavoidableactual bullshit
>>539355707He got promoted to member of the Frieza Force.
>>539354356That doesn't really matter, crossovers always equalize the power levels.
>>539323902
>>539356090I hope people will make art of him as Freeza's soldier now. Drawfags?
i'm about to start playing Dokkan again if they keep animating units like this. this and the SSJ4 Gogeta are insane.
>goku runs straight down lane 4 times and dies before afking>still a mostly even game because I'm playing krillan but my bottom laners can't pick a fight for shitA lose is no big deal but I want these kids kicked in the nuts for their audacity Or just mobile and controller players locked into their own queue.
Im having fun
>>539356776I'm pretty sure this was fan made
>>539357258oh darn, you may be right. i thought it was the Dokkan animator's twitter who did the SSJ4 Gogeta unit.
God damn cell feels great
>>539357847How is he like? I'm level 31 and wondering between him and 18 (Hit looks too difficult and I suck at the game).
>12k damage Daimaku
Every time I pick a more supportive technical we get fucked by backdooring faggotsGuess I'm sticking with Frieza
I've been coping since 2018, but anytime we get a new DLC with 100% new models, it becomes increasingly clear that there either isn't a Xenoverse 3 hidden deep somewhere that they get their assets from, or there is and the new models, while still better, aren't/won't be that big of a jump in quality. And if there isn't one, they'll probably just reuse these and tweak them if we're lucky because there'd be no sense in making it all from scratch.
>>539348682I like how expressive they are.
>>539358060He can 2v1 if you know what you're doing, if you focus on leveling up his big bang crash you can snowball very quickly by just wiping out entire farming lanes and sucking up all the experience, plus his ult straight up traps people in with him and he gets a huge advantage.
>>539358407Zarbon and Dodoria are the only teammates you can rely on
I want xenoverse 2 to die already
>>539359410Take that back...
How the fuck is daimaku difficult hahaha nigga just press s1 and s2 hahha like just watch people blow up
>>539359540And CHADmer, newest enlisted member of the Frieza Force, of course!
>>539358407Freiza really is the only real "defense" oriented character But god forbid you get the fucking "star" mapStar shit makes defending actually impossible
>>539359590I keep moving the bomb by accident with his rush, fuck him and fuck Panzy too
>>539359713S3 makes the bomb explode instantly.
>>539359713>fuck Panzy tooHot...
>go top>be left alone>lose
>>539360506Well, there's couple of characters who can manage on their own...
>Zarbon tranforms when you max himCute.
>>539360697Bulma lucky
>>539359676I think it's incredibly retarded that even if you interrupt a burst some of the damage still goes through. People (especially tanks) will just ignore you and bruteforce the GoD and there's fucking nothing you can do if you are playing someone like Buu or 17. I don't remember things working like this in the beta.
>>539361000Yeah, they should definitely change that.
>>539359039>plus his ult straight up traps people in with him and he gets a huge advantage.That Ult and one of his skill seems to be made to grab players trying to escape, since he'll grab his opponent if he hits them and they're back turned...Thanks for the info. I just need to know more of 18 as well. I want this to be an informed decision...
Trunks is good?
>>539360658I mean I was playing Frieza who would probably be the beast solo character in the game, but when Vegeta and Krillin on your ass theres not much you can do asides from sit on top of your GoD and pray that Zeno doesn't come over
Rank 1 tier list
>>539362261Freiza is better at map control than 17Uub is AssDabura is not better than trunksCell is S tierTerrible
ok Goku is cracked beyond belief. I'm shocked he isn't in every match and that damage queue is the one in demand when everyone should be fighting over playing this guy>throw your massive aoe kamehameha>press the kaioken button>winit's literally that easy. Hell you win the game before it even begins with either super skill point or boosted skill 1 damage divine draw. I just had a match with both active and I didn't even get to level 10 before the match ended we stomped them so bad
>>539362261>mini-Goku>Z+Excuse me? He has range but his rush hits like a wet noodle and he takes hits like one too.
>>539362261Dabura is broken if you know how to turn into stone
>>539351336That's Jiren.
>>539361361I read that post as : Trunks is a go'auld?
>>539348682I just realized ever since his debut this game will be the most canon broly will ever speak and interact wit hteh world around him because his screen time since his debut has been so limited, Toei didn't bother to add him to Super Heroes just like Android 21.Still, It's surprisingly wholesome to be targwangling Cheelai and Broly and be stupid together, I'm down, through I won't pay for this not unless either Wrath or Legendary Super Saiyan is an awokening.And now for more important business, we need to keep Cheelai away from the troublemakers she's just as bad as them but not as powerful
>>539364003>I just realized ever since his debut this game will be the most canon broly will ever speak and interact wit hteh world around himFalse. Dragon Ball Legends.I actually liked it more than DBS Broly because He and Paragus get some character development. Mr Satan even gives Paragus some fatherly advice
>>539364129
>>539364442Satan actually got Paragus to stop seeing Broly as a tool?
>>539364442
>>539362648>moba>tier listretardedin mobas pickrates and winrates are kingignore the opinions of ecelebs
>>539233112Dragon Ball turned millions of kids into ryonafags
>>539362648this is too complicated for the tacopaco
>>539364609Yeah. Shallot and the two of them all worked together to bring Broly back to his senses and Paragus stopped forcing him to fight.But then Zahha brainwashed everyone but Zahha (and goku?) into thinking Shallot was a bad guy so for like 15 months we had to deal with that, and then a grueling set of raids leading into a new story thing during the anniversary, and we're still as close to the climax as we've been since July.
>>539362648Damage doesn't have queues because you have two per match.
BT3 AI tournamenthttps://challonge.com/vrs21aowneed 16 fighters in...
>>539366687Pick all the characters represented in Squadra.
>>539366687Add Zangya
>>539366862Idk the characters from squalala
>>539367105 Squadala? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBC-2y6C8xU
>>539367105Goku MidVegeta Cell SagaKid GohanKrillinPiccoloTrunks (Sword)Freeza First FormImperfect CellFat Buu#17#18DaburaUubBojackCooler
squat room?
"eyes of the team" is a funny way of saying "feeding faggot"
Xenoverse 2 is immortal.
>>539367769>Eyes of the Team>Unsung Hero>ChallengerAre there any other ways of saying "useless bum" in the game?
>>539352208Personally, my worst experience with Tech/Tank is that inevitably the 2xDPS in the other lane get their shit pushed in.
>>539369261While true because DPS are feeding faggots in this scenario it would be Tank DPS and Tank Tech.
>>539323902To think that I didn't realize this trailer dropped until I saw a /v/ topic on it
WHY IS IT TOO FUCKING HARD TO STAY IN YOUR LANE?!?!!?I HATE NIGGERS AAAAAAthank god there isn't any punishement for leaving games because when that happens I just close the game, fuck playing with retards
how do I do instant damage on the tower without charging?
>>539348682Will I be able to fuck Chronoa in a Xenoverse 2 update one day???!
>>539371481if you get damaged by an opponent your gekishin will go on cooldown but you'll do chipthis doesn't apply to MAX or a GoD kicking you out when Zeno leaves
Audio (Super Saiyan Blue): https://files.catbox.moe/51jxq1.webm
>>539348682This is gonna stir up so much shitposting, especially on /a/
Cabba is so outclassed by Rildo its insaneBubbles is also worthless
>>539372098I went to check but there's only 1 thread, it's 3 days old, and it has a bunch of deleted replies. What's going on over there?
>>539352270Turles isn't evil Goku, he's his mirror. He's Kakarot.
>>539372584and people compared that jobber to SSJ4 Gogeta KEK
>>539372000wow, that's retarded
>>539373018Dragon Ball threads on /a/ have a really bad cuckposting problem and it looks like the mods have been cleaning house over there since this announcement. You can see the deleted posts in the archive.https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/cheelai/
>>539373180Turles is too smart to be Kakarot unironically. Goku only takes steroids when he's jobbing from other people, he doesn't seek them out.
>>539373665And that's what makes him the mirror. Goku would only go for steroids selflessly as his preferred method of attaining strength is training. But Tullece doesn't care about it, and "cheating" is his first answer.
>>539373665Goku isn't as dumb as you think. The difference is that Turles is a ruthless saiyan bastard. If given the option, would you train for years to get stronger or eat a piece of fruit that yields 10 times the results? Not to mention most saiyans don't even know you can get that much stronger if you train hard enough. They just see it as honing your skills. Instead, they rely on their zenkai boost, like Bardock.
>>539373354>mods have been cleaning houseAt this point, I don't know why they bother. They're the ones who let those threads degrade into a shitposting containment general. It's a little late to care now.
>>539374740Goku is actually quite smart if you read the manga, smarter than most of the characters around him. He was the brain during the Buu arc.
>>539374803Don't for get the Cell arc.
>>539374906That too.
I really enjoy Baby's vibe during battle. Bro's just having a wonderful time. The fact he acts so tsundere with his teammates is funny too."I was just protecting your body, baka!""I-I was just bored!"
>>539375032meanwhile Super SHITku
>>539375991He got brain damage from his fight with Beerus.
>disables auto cards just to never pick a cardthat's my hero
>>539375032 He had a good thing going until he became a dumbass later on
>>539375991Toei likes their serious, heroic Goku, so with Super, I think they were overcompensating for Toriyama complaining about the Z movies all those years ago.
>>539376265>kamehameha neglectedso you guys lost
>>539376402The senzu bean did nothing but help their cause actually. People vastly misunderstand the consequences and rationale behind this scene because they're, unironically, dumber than Goku.
Sex with 4x kaioken Goku
Is there any hope for Nuly? Everyone and everything keeps cucking him.
>>539376187It was all those damn gravitational/spacetime ripples!
>>539376460I solo'd top lane as Gohan to the point that we actually managed to break all their GoDs even with this deadbeat, but they already got our dragonball before I could reach the shell
>>539376704This is why Chichi is secretly the strongest earthling. Hell, Goten was conceived while super saiyan!
>>539376472Not really. Cell would have either lost to Mastered SSJ/SSJ2 Gohan after killing someone because he wouldn't fight back if he was actually close to Goku or he would've triggered SSJ2 by being a cocky dipshit if he was just holding back a lot against Goku. It was Cell's ball to fumble the entire time; if he just blew up earth after learning IT and his freak accident he would have won but he's a cocky dipshit so he didn't. He likely would have remained a cocky dipshit even without the senzu bean. I blame the Vegeta in him.
>>539377281Cell was way too strong for any MSSJ, they NEEDED SSJ2 Gohan that's what Goku said in no uncertain termsGiving Cell a senzu didn't change anything about that. If anything it was a nice taunt that baited him to bring out Gohan's SSJ2, he could have not cared and killed him or been impatient if he was starting to feel tired and killed him same way. Giving Cell a senzu had only ONE downside and it was that they had no more senzu after they used the remaining 7 after the Cell Jrs (which was a dumb choice they should have kept some for Gohan)
>>539377075Actually KISSLESSku the virgin just went "WAKUWAKU! HEY CHICHI! REMEMBER THAT TIME YOU POKED MY SPECIAL SPOT WITH THAT NEEDLE AND GOT SOME WHITE STUFF OUT!? THAT REALLY HURT! CAN YOU DO IT WHILE I'M A SUPER SAIYAN TO HELP WITH MY TRAINING!?"
>>539377281The whole point was to make him take the Gohan threat seriously, and he certainly wouldn't have if Goku hadn't have done that.
>>539376472 It's not the senzu, it's that Goku didn't realize Gohan doesn't enjoy the thrill of battle like he does and needed to have Piccolo scream it in his face. Goku almost fucked up super hard and got everyone killed because of his miscalculation until Gohan went ss2. He's just lucky that Cell was so cocky and wanted to goad Gohan into showing his true power
>>539377638That wasn't Goku's intent though. It was because he wanted Gohan to bring out his full strength against Cell, not some master IQ taunt.
>>539377645I don't think Goku was really WRONG. Piccolo's speech was compelling, but really it mostly just highlighted how dire the situation was and Goku's reasoning for not telling Gohan the plan went probably way beyond just "he likes to beat up people so I'm not telling him anything"People keep saying Goku fucked up because Gohan hates fighting, but you know what prevented Gohan from transforming? Not that, rather he wasn't able to get angry on command. He tried, he couldn't. It was the first time he was asked to do so on the spot and he choked.I don't think Goku miscalculated as much as "he saw a pretty desperate situation and took the only path forward". I'm not sure telling Gohan about the plan would have been any different: Gohan KNEW what the plan was after 2 pages of fighting Cell, and he was still unable to bring out his anger.
>>539377075Tien is the strongest earthling. Chichi lost to a holding back with weights on base Goku. Tien made Goku take off his weights.
>>539378107Krillin surpassed Tenshinhan after training with Kami though
>>539378107Nice try but we all know Krillin surpassed you long ago, Tienshinhan!
Cell Saga's retarded because it's just everyone being a retard for the entire arc.>Locate Gero with the Dragon Balls? Nah let's fight the androids lol.>Kill Cell immediately? Hmm I don't know what I'm dealing with, better wait and see...>Kill 18 and then revive her with the Namek Dragon Balls? But she's so hot...>Lol Cell here's 18.>Lol Z Fighters I wanna good fight so go train.>Hey Cell, here's a senzu so you're EVEN stronger, please don't kill Gohan and instead play with your food!>Damn I actually want to see what Gohan can do though...>Alright Cell now to torture you before you die- ah fuck.>Damn I survived blowing up? Lmao I'm gonna kill one of them instead of just blowing up the planet.>NOOOO VEGETA DON'T DIE EVEN THOUGH WE CAN REVIVE YOU WITH THE NAMEK DRAGON BALLS AND YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE- FUCK!>Alright Gohan lets beam clash lol.Fumble after fumble after fumble after fumble.
>>539362261I thought Kale was really good when I first played her but now I think she kind of sucks. She's a squishy zoner who wants to stay back and has a beam that deals more damage from further away, but at the same time she has a passive damage buff that only works if you're right next to a team-mate. The slow ball thing also feels like a mostly useless gimmick. And lately I've been getting matched against people who know to just run away when I pop the ult. Maybe I just don't get how to use her properly
>>539378056>I don't think Goku was really WRONG. Piccolo's speech was compelling, but really it mostly just highlighted how dire the situation was and Goku's reasoning for not telling Gohan the plan went probably way beyond just "he likes to beat up people so I'm not telling him anything"The thing is, Gohan has asked what Goku was planning on doing, and he dodge the question. Goku was being a piece of shit in that regard. Not asking Gohan if he wants to throw Cell a senzu, never letting Gohan know he's far stronger, never telling him of the potential he felt, never telling him what his damn plan was.
>>539378551The arc is fundamentally fucked because it hinges upon the good guys fucking up over and over so Cell can locate the androids and absorb them. Namek was obviously different because the good guys actually had to SUCCEED to get the balls. One could say Buu was similar to Cell in the sense that it relied on the good guys messing up for Buu to absorb people but in truth things happened in a much more chaotic, unpredictable way and the good guys reacted instantly to Buu's absorptions (Vegeto being the payback for his second one).
>>539378551They didn't even need the Namek balls, Dende was already available.
>>539378726I think you're misrepresenting this part a little. Here's Goku explaining his rationale, and he's pretty clear about Gohan's power being awakened. He just doesn't give out specifics about "get angry, turn Super Super Saiyan" but that wouldn't fit a Toriyama manga.
>>539378551>>Kill 18 and then revive her with the Namek Dragon Balls? But she's so hot...Even better. Goku teleported to save Piccolo and Tien way too late, when he could have teleported earlier to grab 18 and 16 out of there.
>>539379059And here's the senzu part, but if you look at the entire scene it gives off different vibes... (1/3)
>>539317374Cope
>>539379183Basically>yeah get fucked Cell
>>5393792853/3Notice Goku's proud expression. That's what the senzu was about more than anything else really.
>>539379434Here's more for people stuck on the idea that PICCOLO UNDERSTOOD GOHAN BETTER THAN GOKU... I'm not saying it's entirely wrong but it's certainly not entirely right either. They both understand Gohan in their own way.
>>539379079They have no life foce to detect, baka!
>>539379528And the real blocking point for Gohan, he just couldn't muster up that insanity on command
>>539379059>and he's pretty clear about Gohan's power being awakened.He says later it isn't, and Gohan needs to get mad to stand a chance against Cell at all, so all Goku did is make things better for Cell.>>539379183Everyone tells Goku he's being a retard here for throwing that senzu... Later on Piccolo convinces Goku to gang up on Cell because letting Gohan fight alone is a terrible idea.I like Goku, but the way he avoided telling anyone what he was planning, specially never telling Gohan about it he was going to be the plan B just in case Goku himself failed, it's just a massive dick move on his part, and Piccolo convincing Goku to gang up on Cell shows that even Goku himself realized he fucked up.
>>539379581They don't, but I meant while Cell was getting kikoho'd, he could fly up to them and teleport them, but he decided to telelport to save Piccolo and Tien only after 18 had already disappeared.
>>539378551 I hear all that and agree the writing was quite contrived at times. But it's still a really fucking cool arc
>>539379528Piccolo understood Gohan better as a person but Goku understood Gohan's power more because he was the most competent Super Saiyan.One thing Piccolo also understood more is that the mental state needed to be trained too; a good amount of his training of Gohan was getting him to mentally prepare for battle against the Saiyans. Goku failed to adequately prepare Gohan, he merely focused on mastering Super Saiyan. That was his real fuck up- power over actually tapping into power. In another world where Piccolo and Goku (or if one of them had the other's expertise on the subject) could both train Gohan in the HTC he would have faired way better.
>>539380018>He says later it isn't, and Gohan needs to get mad to stand a chance against Cell at all, so all Goku did is make things better for Cell.That's the point people don't seem to get, Cell was murdering everyone, senzu or not. That's what Goku says in the very page you posted. Cell only got serious here, and the senzu didn't change anything about that. Hell, he spawned 7 Vegeta level fighters without breaking a sweat. Goku didn't tire him out nearly enough to make Gohan or anyone else strong enough to have a chance.>Everyone tells Goku he's being a retard here for throwing that senzu... Later on Piccolo convinces Goku to gang up on Cell because letting Gohan fight alone is a terrible idea.They were all wrong. Goku even says "I knew it" when Gohan goes SS2 and kills the Cell Jrs.It's exactly as shown in the page you posted. They had ONE path forward, it was Gohan SS2. It involved putting Gohan on a difficult path. Ganging up would have meant JACKSHIT, and Gohan didn't even need to be told specifically about his anger, he figured it out in seconds.Really it comes down to >>539379673Piccolo's speech is compelling, but the flaw with Goku's plan had nothing to do with Gohan's personality or love for fighting. It was 100% about him being unable to get angry.
>>539380403>Piccolo understood Gohan better as a person but Goku understood Gohan's power more because he was the most competent Super Saiyan.I wouldn't put it like that. They both understood parts of Gohan's personality very well in their own way. Goku spent a long time bonding with Gohan as well. Piccolo might have seen some of the more vulnerable parts of his personality when they trained for the Saiyans, of course.It's quite interesting how Gohan has two father figures. I just don't vibe with that stupid "Piccolo understood Gohan better" myth propagated by burgers and TFS. Piccolo was doomposting while Goku was giving Gohan the moral support he needed to defeat Cell but because there's no compelling speech to highlight that people don't even notice it. Worse even, TFS replaced Goku with Piccolo in that sequence.
>>539380786Uncle Piccolo still around
>>539380896God I love this page on the right. VERY underrated and I wish people would reuse it way more
>>539380995Toriyama was a genius. The emotions are unparalleled
dang this game is nostalgicI played so many dbz wc3 mapsboth the rpg and moba oneshttps://youtu.be/aPfawHrHOSUvgh
>>539359423xenoverse 2 is immortal!!!
>>539381085I wish the series itself had an ending this good
>>539380429>but the flaw with Goku's plan had nothing to do with Gohan's personality or love for fighting. It was 100% about him being unable to get angry.Tbf these go hand in hand. Gohan couldn't make himself get angry enough because he didn't want to kill Cell, even as the world was at stake. That's what Piccolo is talking about, and he's right. If 16 and Mr Satan couldn't clutch it they all would have died.
>>539381548I think Buu is quite good too in that sense...
>>539381589>Gohan couldn't make himself get angry enough because he didn't want to kill Cell, even as the world was at stakeI don't think that's the issue here. That's where people get it wrong imo because they remain stuck on Gohan's little "let's not fight" speech rather than what Gohan said...
>>539380786>They both understood parts of Gohan's personality very well in their own wayIt's mostly just that Goku didn't understand the parts where it mattered most. >I just don't vibe with that stupid "Piccolo understood Gohan better" I actually do think Piccolo understood Gohan the person better, and the story seems to agree. Goku isn't a bad dad persay, but he's not a good one. His biggest flaw during Cell saga was really not connecting with Gohan during their year of training, and that's what Piccolo's telling Goku; he fucked up. Goku knows he fucked up too. If you disagree with the writing I get it because Cell saga's pretty poorly written, but the intent is that was Goku's character flaw.
>>539381871And more importantly this page>almost thereGohan would have gone SS2 the moment someone died. 16's speech was also good but Gohan would definitely have flipped out at the first death, let alone someone like Goku, Piccolo or Krillin dying.
>>539381928>It's mostly just that Goku didn't understand the parts where it mattered most.I disagree. Goku said it himself, he knew it. Piccolo was doomposting before that and even during the father son Kamehameha, Goku was the only one who could take Gohan down this hard path. Piccolo was just the one with the comfortable position of calling it crazy without actually having to call the shot. Goku called the shots and he was right.
>>539380403>Piccolo understood Gohan better as a personPiccolo didn't understand shit, he just knows he made the same mistake in the Saiyan Saga, when Gohan panicked instead of joining in the attack.
>>539381871>I don't think that's the issue here16's speech seems to paint that as the reason. He wants to "beat" Cell, but he doesn't want to beat Cell. He really did want to be gentle and to not have to kill him, and 16 made him understand that he would have to let his anger out and kill him. Him dying afterwards made Gohan understand where he went wrong too.
>>539382203Compare Piccolo's doomposting with Goku telling Gohan he can and will do it
>>539382329>>539381928>His biggest flaw during Cell saga was really not connecting with Gohan during their year of trainingI completely disagree here too, if anything the ending of the Cell arc is about Goku being a good father and moral support for Gohan. The entire Cell arc can be interpreted through the lenses of fatherhood, creation, legacy, with Gero's legacy being Cell, a crude imitation and perversion of the enemies he wanted to destroy while Goku and Vegeta had to bond with their sons in their own ways.
>>539380429>That's the point people don't seem to get, Cell was murdering everyone, senzu or not.And you're not making things better by using one of your senzus on Cell, that means it's one less in case you actually need it, and in that page he says he did it to make things fair to Cell, which is retarded... Whatever damage Goku did to Cell, he felt it was enough to warrant a senzu.>They were all wrong. Goku even says "I knew it" when Gohan goes SS2 and kills the Cell Jrs.Fact is that Goku made a massive miscalculation about Gohan and how he can access his own power, Goku realized this fuckup to the point he decided to gang up on Cell.The way Goku wanted to go about it would only result in failure too, because Gohan couldn't access his power if he was the one getting killed, which wasn't part of Goku's plan, and he was completely sure it would work, and Cell deciding to play along and try to kill them was so clearly not something he ever expected. Even seeing everyone else almost getting killed was not enough to get Gohan to transform, he needed pep talk from 16.>It involved putting Gohan on a difficult path.And Goku did jackshit to make it better. Telling Gohan about it? No, and dodge the question whenever Gohan asks. Training an extra year to see if they can access Gohan's power in some other way that doesn't rely on a life or death situation? No. Once Goku himself failed he just kicked Gohan into the fight and told him to solve everything, no preparation for it despite having so long. Let Gohan fight a slightly weakened Cell? No, fight has to be fair.The way Goku acts makes more sense in a meta way, he says nothing so the reader knows nothing, and everyone else is as surprised as the reader. In-universe he's being a frustrating jackass with a dumbass plan that could have failed in a bunch of ways. It worked in the end, but that doesn't make the plan less frustrating.
>>539382203>>539382329Goku was correct on his bet that Gohan could release his rage but that didn't mean he was right. He was lucky Cell didn't kill Gohan and instead tortured him, which he WASN'T betting on. It was their only means available BECAUSE Goku trained Gohan poorly, and that's what Piccolo is saying. He isn't doomposting and doing nothing when he could otherwise do something, and he was ready to pointlessly join the fight against Cell anyway. He was telling Goku that he fucked up, he was right. They got lucky and won.>>539382493Gohan didn't NEED moral support from Goku, it was 16 that brought out his rage, not Goku telling him he can do it. His father's spirit helping him with the One-Handed Kamehameha is something but for the most part Goku was a bad father;The key issue is he failed to prepare Gohan to fight Cell, just made him strong. He never at any point really connected with Gohan. He just saw the power in him, but didn't see what was holding that power back, and they all almost died for it.
>>539382274Gohan never had any issues with killing. A 2 pages "let's not fight, it's useless, we can speak and I'm not into this" speech doesn't suddenly make him a pacifist. I think the difference is that you're framing this as a conscious, rational refusal to kill, while in truth it's a mixed bag of emotions and inability to bring forth a state of insane rage on command. And we know exactly why it was so hard for him to pull it off, because the moment he did that he went full school shooter. It wasn't an easy task, but it was completely necessary. Maybe Gohan could have been better prepared emotionally for it but I don't see anyone being able to do so, Goku or Piccolo, it was extreme.
Why would anyone live in any city managed by the boss and her time patrol? They get nuked by some big bad every other week.
>>539382656>And you're not making things better by using one of your senzus on Cell, that means it's one less in case you actually need itThey had 7 remaining ones and he stole them effortlessly. The senzus were a non factor. Ganging up on Cell was a non factor. This senzu was nothing more than a formality. It was a taunt to Cell, and, most importantly, an important part of the arc theme wise: Goku was proud of his son and knew he'd destroy Cell, that was meant to show the level of trust he put into Gohan, more than fighting ethics.>Fact is that Goku made a massive miscalculation about Gohan and how he can access his own powerHe didn't quite miscalculated. If anything he knew how desperate the situation was in the first place >>539380018 Look at the face he's making there. He knows it's hard but it's the only way forward.>Goku realized this fuckup to the point he decided to gang up on CellNot really. He finally folded when he saw Gohan was in (real) danger and wanted to save him there, but that doesn't mean the ganging up strategy had become viable. It was doomed, no matter what. SS2 was the only thing to do.>because Gohan couldn't access his power if he was the one getting killed, which wasn't part of Goku's planThat's why he taunted Cell with the senzu and telling him Gohan was about to fuck him up.>Cell deciding to play along and try to kill them was so clearly not something he ever expectedI think it was not only expected but very easy to foresee actually.>Even seeing everyone else almost getting killed was not enough to get Gohan to transform, he needed pep talk from 16.First death would have been enough to make him transform, pep talk or not. Cell himself says he was almost there.>And Goku did jackshit to make it better. Telling Gohan about it? Useless. Gohan knew it was about anger. It was clear as day, and they trained one year together.
>>539382865>It was their only means available BECAUSE Goku trained Gohan poorlyGoku literally gave Gohan the best training possible to the point he was way above everyone else, Goku included, what are you on about?>>539382656>And you're not making things better by using one of your senzus on CellBut you're not actually making them worse either AND it actually DID make things better because it's what made Cell curious enough to accept Goku's surrender instead of going 'fuck all of you' and killing everyone on the spot.
>>539382875He never had issues with killing but he couldn't unleash his rage like Goku was counting on... because Goku failed to understand Gohan. 16's speech helped him understand that he could unleash his rage, and his death let him do it. The story is framed in a way that without 16's speech, Gohan couldn't unleash his rage, and that's where Goku failed; it isn't a complex speech and can come from anyone. In the year with his son, Goku didn't understand anything other thanhis power.
>>539382656>No, and dodge the question whenever Gohan asks"Yeah Gohan we're going to fight Cell in 10 days, I'll be first but honestly he's going to fold me, I can tell he's like thrice as strong as I am. Thankfully you're a bit stronger than I am so I'll be relying on you to fight him instead, please get angry and hope you powerup like you did on day 318 in the room of spirit and time because if you don't we're all dead"Or... he could give him the pep talk he needed on the day of the fight >>539379059Notice how serious and focused Gohan is after that. He's not hesitating, he's not doubting himself or anything. Goku understood this far more than 90% of the fanbase. You vastly overestimate what Goku could have said.>>539382865>He was lucky Cell didn't kill Gohan and instead tortured him, which he WASN'T betting onThat's exactly what he was betting on though. And he easily knew that from Cell's personality. He made this tournament to prove himself the strongest and fuck with people. If you were to ask fans reading this for the first time back then "will Cell let Gohan transform or will he kill him asap?", what do you think would be the answer?>that's what Piccolo is saying. He isn't doomposting and doing nothing when he could otherwise do somethingHe was literally doomposting during the Father Son Kamehameha while Goku was giving Gohan the pep talk he needed despite the odds being stacked against him. And Goku was fucking dead, Piccolo was right there.>Gohan didn't NEED moral support from GokuHe got moral support from Goku twice, with the pep talk before the fight and during the Father Son Kamehameha. The second one was more critical than the first one.
>>539383461>Goku literally gave Gohan the best training possible to the point he was way above everyone else, Goku included, what are you on about?Giving him the best training available doesn't mean it wasn't poor. If Goku actually understood Gohan he would have trained him to unleash his rage, or at least attempted. He was unironically completely oblivious to Gohan's issues and they almost died because of it. He could make Gohan stronger but he couldn't teach Gohan how to use his power.
>>539382865>for the most part Goku was a bad fatherThat's just factually wrong. The Cell arc revolved around Goku being a good father. That's why Vegeta says he was defeated by father and son. That's also why Vegeta and Trunks failed, THEY didn't connect as much. Trunks hid things from Vegeta for the sake of his pride. It took until the very end for Vegeta to be able to accept his love for his son (although he had already some feelings of pride for him against Cell 2)
>>539384132>Giving him the best training available doesn't mean it wasn't poorIt actually does. It takes massive mental gymnastics to pretend otherwise.> If Goku actually understood Gohan he would have trained him to unleash his rage, or at least attempted.You can't train emotions, that's retarded.>He was unironically completely oblivious to Gohan's issues He wasn't, there just was 0 alternative where they don't actually all die.
>>539383913>He never had issues with killing but he couldn't unleash his rage like Goku was counting on... because Goku failed to understand GohanThat's because at no point in Gohan's life did they have to 100% rely on his rage coming out on demand. It always happened in response to something else.16 delivered a great speech but if you think Gohan would have just lied down and let everyone die, you're obviously wrong. Cell himself said "almost there" and nobody had died yet. Someone dying would have tipped the scales.I swear, people would look at pic related and say Goku doesn't understand Gohan because he's telling him to go get the job done even though it's hard. Yeah it's hard, but Goku knows Gohan can do it and guess what, he can. It's that simple.
>>539359423>>539381505They really are afraid of making XV3, huh? It's funny, but I really don't get why they've let XV2 go on for this long.
>>539384132What was Goku supposed to do?Take Gohan to the PTSD room and have him reenact simulations of Cell killing his loved ones over and over until Gohan becomes edgy like in the fanfictions and can tape into Super Saiyan 2 at will?Is that your idea of a Dragon Ball story beat?
>>539383998>That's exactly what he was betting on thoughNot in that way. He was betting on Cell torturing Gohan to make him mad; he wasn't betting that someone would die before Gohan. It wasn't that "will Cell torture Gohan" it was "will Cell KILL Gohan eventually". His panic made this clear, in the story itself he realizes he fucked up. If Cell got bored the world would have been fucked, but he got lucky that Cell was counting on killing others.>And Goku was fucking dead, Piccolo was right there.It's easier to give peptalk when you're dead unironically. Also, didn't Piccolo help out or was that anime only?>He got moral support from Goku twice, with the pep talk before the fight and during the Father Son Kamehameha. The second one was more critical than the first one.He maybe only needed the second one, which came after he fucked up. The first one didn't do anything because Gohan was never psyched to let out his rage.
All of these words, meaningless. All you need to know about the TRUTH is thatGOKUA SHIT!
>>539231428I wish i was hot like her
>>539383405>They had 7 remaining ones and he stole them effortlessly. The senzus were a non factor.Yeah, in hindsight if you know about the events, they didn't matter. It's still a terrible idea to use one of your emergency instant heals and give them to the villain who's trying to kill all of them.>Goku was proud of his son and knew he'd destroy Cell, that was meant to show the level of trust he put into Gohan, more than fighting ethics."Hey son, I trust you. I trust you so much I'm going to help out the guy trying to kill you. You go this kid!">He didn't quite miscalculatedHe did>Gohan will get beaten up, get mad, unleash his potential and kill Cell>Doesn't work to the point Goku considered ganging up on Cell>Cell beats up everyone with Cell Jrs anyway>Even that isn't enough and Gohan needed 16's pep talk to transformGoku was right about Gohan's potential being the way to defeat Cell, but his plan was still retarded and relied on only one specific factor, that Cell would be interested in Gohan's potential and focus only on Gohan, and Gohan would get mad enough to transform. The moment Cell decided to change how he acted, Goku was caught with an egg on his face.>That's why he taunted Cell with the senzu and telling him Gohan was about to fuck him up.Just the fact he gave up and said Gohan will take over is more than enough.>I think it was not only expected but very easy to foresee actually.Doesn't matter, Goku quite clearly didn't predict it.>First death would have been enough to make him transform, pep talk or not. Cell himself says he was almost there.Yeah and that's not part of Goku's plan.>Useless. Gohan knew it was about anger. It was clear as day, and they trained one year together.Emotional preparation. And they had one extra year to try to control it with other means, but Goku decided not to.
>>539384815>He was betting on Cell torturing Gohan to make him madOkay, that's the first time I'll agree with you. He thought Gohan would be able to conjure enough rage to awaken his powers as Cell tortured him. He didn't expect it to get to the point where Cell would have to torture others for that. Was it a bad assumption though? Did he drop him there defenseless?He gave him the speech beforehand (what you're fighting to defend, and so on), he knew Gohan knew what power he banked on, and Gohan had shown that power while training with his father in the room of spirit and time.There just wasn't much else to do or say. Gohan knew what he had to do, and couldn't do it. There was no way to prepare him for it. There was no plan to discuss with him in ways that would have mattered (except making things worse).>He maybe only needed the second one, which came after he fucked up. The first one didn't do anything because Gohan was never psyched to let out his rage.I don't think Gohan really fucked up, I think Gohan was put through so much emotional pain that his reaction was natural. That's why Goku was still very proud of him when he died.The first speech was probably necessary too, Gohan would have been hesitant and doubtful without it. With that one, Gohan knew everything in a matter of seconds.
>>539384232At what point did Goku actually connect with his son emotionally? He only saw power in him and told him to do his best. Again, they all almost died and they got lucky.>>539384443The training was poor, you can have an option between 1 or 2 but both are lesser than 3.>You can't train emotions, that's retarded.You unironically literally can.>He wasn't, there just was 0 alternative where they don't actually all die.He literally was oblivious to Gohan's issues. That's what his reaction to Piccolo's speech is about. It wasn't just a bunch of hot air.>16 delivered a great speech but if you think Gohan would have just lied down and let everyone die, you're obviously wrong.Story wise, the entire point of the speech is that it lets Gohan unleash his rage. That's the way it's framed. Feel free to consider it bad writing, but Toriyama didn't write a good speech for it to be pointless because people dying anyway would have set off Gohan's rage; that's not how a dramatic story would work. Goku is never framed as being right; he acknowledges that he was wrong, and the story wants you to think he was wrong. It's a writing issue if you don't agree, which is understandable.
>Braindead redditor who got lost on 4chan somehow: Goku is totally wrong and a bad dad because he didn't take this very retarded course of action I made up that would have gotten everyone killedFascinating.
>>539385489third part meant for >>539384540
>>539385321>Yeah, in hindsight if you know about the events, they didn't matter. It's still a terrible idea to use one of your emergency instant heals and give them to the villain who's trying to kill all of them.The villain isn't trying to kill all of them, he's hosting an event to prove his superiority and their win condition is for him to be entertained enough that he doesn't interrupt it midway before their only warrior can awaken his hidden strength. The senzu is absolutely meaningless, there are no revives that can help in any way and half of the people that showed up are utterly useless and a waste of senzus in the first place.>"Hey son, I trust you. I trust you so much I'm going to help out the guy trying to kill you. You go this kid!"That's not what happened. I literally posted the pages and the senzu shit was swept away the second Gohan powered up and everyone knew Goku meant business.>Goku considered ganging up on CellNever happened. Wouldn't have worked.>Even that isn't enough and Gohan needed 16's pep talk to transformCanonically wrong. 16 just took the bullet for someone else. Pic related>his plan was still retardedThere was literally no other plan and telling Gohan about it wouldn't have helped.>relied on only one specific factor, that Cell would be interested in Gohan's potential and focus only on GohanAnd guess what, Goku was right. He knew Cell's personality and taunted him with speech and the senzu. He got what he wanted.The only miscalculation was Gohan needing to see OTHERS suffer to truly get angry. It's only that.>Emotional preparationLol. >>539384624
>>539385489>The training was poor,It wasn't, as said above, literally the best training possible.>both are lesser than 3.Except there is no 3 here. It just doesn't exist or isn't an option.>You unironically literally can.No, you can't. At best you can train to handle YOUR emotions but you can't train emotions themselves, let alone someone else's.>He literally was oblivious to Gohan's issues.He wasn't, he knew very well Gohan wasn't like him, he just underestimated Gohan's block.>That's what his reaction to Piccolo's speech is aboutPiccolo's speech was just him projecting his Saiyan Saga fuck up and end up proven wrong.
>>539385489>At what point did Goku actually connect with his son emotionallyAre you retarded? Goku connected with his son all the damn time. Dragon Ball is a series that rarely bothers with these things but you can point out scenes of emotional bonding/respect/love between Goku and his family in every big arc. I can post them if you want.Hell, they spent some of the days to rest and have family picnics. I suspect Goku felt he would die.>You unironically literally can.Dragon Ball isn't a series about learning to control your testosterone to get angry on command or something. It has never been a thing and was never considered.>Story wise, the entire point of the speech is that it lets Gohan unleash his rage. That's the way it's framedIt's the trigger. That doesn't mean it was the only possible trigger, that's your headcanon. Cell is very clear >>539385796Gohan was about to erupt. It's that simple. That panel is as unambiguous as it gets.
>>539385346>Was it a bad assumption though? Did he drop him there defenseless?It unironically was a bad assumption because Goku failed to understand it would have been effective because he didn't understand Gohan. >he knew Gohan knew what power he banked on, and Gohan had shown that power while training with his father in the room of spirit and time.But he forgot to actually get Gohan to tap into the power, which he couldn't do when push came to shove. He never trained Gohan to tap into his rage; he just saw that Gohan COULD tap into it and decided "yep good enough." >There was no way to prepare him for it.We know SSJ2 and rage based transformations CAN be tapped into, but Goku failed to help Gohan tap into his rage. In fact, a good amount of Piccolo's training in the Saiyan saga if I remember correctly was helping him tap into his rage, but I might be wrong here.>The first speech was probably necessary too, Gohan would have been hesitant and doubtful without it. With that one, Gohan knew everything in a matter of seconds.But it wasn't good enough. Instead of Gohan being oblivious that he had to tap into power to beat Cell, he was left knowing that he could, but couldn't do it.
>>539383998>"Yeah Gohan we're going to fight Cell in 10 days, I'll be first but honestly he's going to fold me, I can tell he's like thrice as strong as I am. Thankfully you're a bit stronger than I am so I'll be relying on you to fight him instead, please get angry and hope you powerup like you did on day 318 in the room of spirit and time because if you don't we're all dead"And that's any better than him going "Okay Gohan, I tried everything but Cell is too much. You're stronger than me btw. Kick his ass!"?>You vastly overestimate what Goku could have said.Goku could have told Gohan he's relying on Gohan's own damn potential and tried to find ways for Gohan to use it that don't rely on Gohan getting killed for it. Fact that Gohan understood what Goku wanted despite Goku vagueposting about the whole thing helped out, but it also shows Goku just, told Gohan nothing and expected he'd figure out the whole thing while Cell was killing him. And again, they had a whole extra year to train and try to figure that out, but Goku was so overconfident in his retarded plan he thought it wasn't worth it.
>>539386302>And that's any better than him going "Okay Gohan, I tried everything but Cell is too much. You're stronger than me btw. Kick his ass!"?Yes, because then he doesn't get to stew in panic for a week and actually saw firsthand he's stronger than Goku and can handle Cell.>Goku could have told Gohan he's relying on Gohan's own damn potential and tried to find ways for Gohan to use it that don't rely on Gohan getting killed for it.Which would have just wasted time and got them killed because there IS no other way outside Gohan seeing OTHER people get killed for it.Should Goku have brought Chichi and killed her in front of Gohan for his training?
>>539386252>It unironically was a bad assumption because Goku failed to understand it would have been effective because he didn't understand Gohan.It was a gamble. Nothing is certain. It was a reasonable gamble and Goku didn't ace it but he did good enough that, indeed>Cell fucked around (and found out)>Gohan eventually awakened his hidden powersIt just so happened that Gohan was a bit late and Cell had to torture the others for that. That's the miscalculation. Everything else was perfect. Meanwhile, Piccolo>thought Gohan couldn't do it>thought it was about Gohan not liking to fight (it wasn't)>thought Gohan couldnt beat Cell at the end and didn't do shit to help himBut somehow nobody brings up Piccolo misunderstanding Gohan or failing to support him at his time of greatest need. I don't blame him for that but somehow ONLY Goku gets blamed for a very small miscalculation.>But he forgot to actually get Gohan to tap into the powerThere was no way to do that other than putting him into circumstances so extreme he turned into a school shooter.>We know SSJ2 and rage based transformations CAN be tapped intoTook Goku and Vegeta 7 years to get there. Again, if Goku needed Gohan to get so angry he'd start torturing his enemies, that's because the situation was fucking desperate. And it was. Pic related.>>539386302>And that's any better than him going "Okay Gohan, I tried everything but Cell is too much. You're stronger than me btw. Kick his ass!"?That's not what happened.>>539379059>>539379434These three pages tell you everything. There's nothing else to say. Just Goku's speech and Gohan's face. It's really that simple if you can literally just READ the fucking manga
>>539385816>It wasn't, as said above, literally the best training possible.I just told you why, it's a simple concept.>>both are lesser than 3.>Except there is no 3 here. It just doesn't exist or isn't an option.There IS a 3; Goku training Gohan to tap into his rage. He failed to do it.>He wasn't, he knew very well Gohan wasn't like him, he just underestimated Gohan's block.>Piccolo's speech was just him projecting his Saiyan Saga fuck up and end up proven wrong.Did you not read the panels? It was never like that. Piccolo was never proven wrong. Goku agrees with Piccolo, the story intent is clear.>>539386152>Goku connected with his son all the damn timeSpending time with your son is not connecting with him. Goku never really knew about Gohan's issues. This is clear.>Dragon Ball isn't a series about learning to control your testosterone to get angry on command or something. It has never been a thing and was never considered.It quite literally is, what do you think Super Saiyan is?>It's the trigger. That doesn't mean it was the only possible trigger, that's your headcanonWhy would Toriyama include something like that when 16 could have just been crushed and everyone moved on as Gohan went into his rage?
>>539386252>We know SSJ2 and rage based transformations CAN be tapped intoYeah, after witnessing and analyzing Gohan's own transformation and working on it for years.
Redditors, burgers and TFSfags will see this and completely discard the whole "father being proud of his son and knowing his potential" angle.You don't get it man. Goku just computed the numbers in his head and he knew Gohan would get to 36 billions in record time!
>>539386789>I just told you why, it's a simple concept.No, it's a retarded hypothetical that just decide there's some undefined superior way to do it, which isn't what the manga say at all.>There IS a 3; Goku training Gohan to tap into his rage.Except there isn't, Goku wasn't gonna torture Gohan and 'training his rage' in a sane way just got him to SSJ1.> Piccolo was never proven wrong.He was, Gohan did go SSJ2 and did kill Cell like Goku said.
what do you mean people are actually discussing the source material and not just complaining about pubs?
So before I go to bed, do you think this DLC will give us broly's super saiyan form for CACs or his Wrath state for them? surely they don't think they can release another DLC and not have a new awokening attached to it at this point do they? Beast and Ultra instinct were 3 years ago and Ultra instinct is the worst awokening in the game all CACs can have
>>539386970>Redditors, burgers and TFSfags will see this and completely discard the whole "father being proud of his son and knowing his potential" angle.I mean, they don't have dads for the most part so it makes sense.
>>539386789>Goku training Gohan to tap into his rageThis never happened in any part of Dragon Ball.Piccolo trained Gohan for 1 year and he was already banking on Gohan's rage. Well guess what, Gohan was not only unable to properly use his rage, he even failed to attack Nappa normally when they had that setup with Krillin. Did Piccolo fail to emotionally train Gohan? Did he fuck up? Is everyone in the Dragon Ball universe unable to muster their emotions? Lol. Maybe some things can't be trained, at least not there.>Spending time with your son is not connecting with him. Goku never really knew about Gohan's issues. This is clear.What issues? You should be watching less Linkin Park AMVs, retard. Gohan never really had "issues" and Goku and Gohan always had near perfect understanding and connection.
>>539386789>It quite literally is, what do you think Super Saiyan is?Super Saiyan MADE them angry, but they didn't control their anger for it. In fact it's the opposite, they had to work to suppress their anger, which is exactly the contrary of what Goku needs Gohan to do.
>>539387203>surely they don't think they can release another DLC and not have a new awokening attached to it at this point do they?Lol. Lmao. How naïve.
>>539386789>Piccolo was never proven wrongGoku literally says "I knew it" later.Piccolo was wrong multiple times in this arc. At the end of the day, it was Goku and Gohan's bond that saved the day, and nothing else.>Why would Toriyama include something like that when 16 could have just been crushed and everyone moved on as Gohan went into his rage?Because it's more compelling narratively? Because it avoids killing a random Z Team member?Why would Toriyama write this panel >>539385796 including Gohan's hair rising up if the intent was not to show "he's almost there"?
>>539385796>The senzu is absolutely meaninglessThey brought the senzu along in case something goes wrong, so they expected an use out of them.>That's not what happened. I literally posted the pages and the senzu shit was swept away the second Gohan powered up and everyone knew Goku meant business.The narrative ignoring a retarded decision doesn't make it less retarded.>Never happened.It did. When Piccolo spelled out Gohan is just afraid when getting killed Goku told Krillin to give him a senzu and was about to attack with the rest, it's just that Cell put an end to that.>Wouldn't have worked.Yeah, but Goku realized he fucked up so bad that he was going to try anyway.>16 just took the bullet for someone else.16's pep talk was about Gohan accepting that fighting is not wrong and letting his emotions go free, him being killed was the final nail needed. So Goku's plan is so horrible that Gohan still wasn't on the right emotional state to unleash his power, and it got the one being who can't be resurrected killed. Congrats...>There was literally no other plan and telling Gohan about it wouldn't have helped.DB isn't just rage boosts. You can train to obtain new transformations that aren't just get angry. Fact Goku figured out how to get SS2 without seeing someone killed in front of him, and even got SS3, shows there are other ways.>And guess what, Goku was right. He knew Cell's personality and taunted him with speech and the senzu. He got what he wanted.He was right about Gohan's potential being necessary, he was so wrong about how it could be obtained everyone else almost got killed for it.>It's only that.That's a massive miscalculation, quite a retarded one since he saw Gohan only unleashing his power when someone else was getting killed.
>>539387084I mean, it's the video game general, normally we should be discussing the video games
>>539387138Don't you have some TFS episodes to comment with your Redditor friends? Maybe your wife's boyfriend can join too.
Redpill me about xenoverse 2, why is the game still going to this day?Is it worth picking the game at this point?
Man, these matches are a 50/50You get a shit team or get the damn seal 6 team. Out of all the matches i have ever gotten only like 3 have been close ones>>539340617Farmer gokuGT vegeta with full moustacheCop KrillinGohan (Kid) with the yellow outfit or the broken neck outfit that recoome causedCan they even make original costumes tho? I feel Toei could be a bitch>>539345361Did they ever mention what happened to those skins? Getting fixed or just forgot?
>>539386462>Yes, because then he doesn't get to stew in panic for a week and actually saw firsthand he's stronger than Goku and can handle Cell.And could have trained with Gohan in a way that showed Gohan was the stronger one. Telling Gohan he was the plan B all along is a lot of pressure to put him right before he has to fight for his life.>Which would have just wasted time and got them killed because there IS no other way outside Gohan seeing OTHER people get killed for it.>Should Goku have brought Chichi and killed her in front of Gohan for his training?Transformations can be achieved with other means. Gohan himself got SS1 without seeing anyone dying in front of him.They had an extra year to try, but Goku was overconfident in his plan and decided to not bother. If they tried for that extra year, and failed, then I would give more leeway to Goku's plan (Though him vagueposting about it is still a massive dick move), but Goku felt like not bothering.
>>539387084We are on /vg/ tho, that's /a/ discussion
>>539387635>They brought the senzu along in case something goes wrong, so they expected an use out of them.And they did use them. Well, they used 1 in a way that mattered (taunting Cell) and wasted like 4 or 5 of them on jobbers.>The narrative ignoring a retarded decision doesn't make it less retarded.That's not the narrative ignoring a decision, that's you ignoring what the narrative is saying. The narrative is clear: this senzu vs no senzu debate is meaningless. There was only one thing that mattered at that point and it was Gohan's strength. And it works in universe because Cell was so obscenely strong the senzu didn't matter. They were at his mercy from the beginning and entertaining him even a little bit more was worth one, or multiple senzus in fact.>When Piccolo spelled out Gohan is just afraid when getting killed Goku told Krillin to give him a senzu...Yes...>and was about to attack with the rest... no...Goku was about to save Gohan from Cell. That's all there was. They had no plan of defeating Cell by ganging up on him. EVERYONE knew it was meaningless because Cell could kill them all at any point. It wasn't even close.>Goku realized he fucked up so bad that he was going to try anyway.Goku was about to jump into the fray to save his son from being killed. Can you understand that, you soulless redditor?>You can train to obtain new transformations that aren't just get angryThat's not how this arc worked. It was 100% about Gohan's potential and nothing else. No other solution was on the table, period. It took Goku and Vegeta 7 years to get there in the first place.>he was so wrong about how it could be obtained You're retarded. Goku was right and he even says so. It's so incredibly obvious.
>>539388302>Goku was overconfidentThat was never the point.
>>539388302>Telling Gohan he was the plan B all along is a lot of pressure to put himYes let's tell him that 10 days beforehand I'm sure it's going to help so much.God I'm glad redditors aren't writers.
>>539388302>And could have trained with Gohan in a way that showed Gohan was the stronger oneWhich would have wasted time compared to making Gohan stronger.> Telling Gohan he was the plan B all along is a lot of pressure to put him right before he has to fight for his life.Which is why Goku did a speech that made Gohan confident. Literally all your alternatives would have been at best a waste of precious time.>Transformations can be achieved with other meansYeah, after the first guy unlock it the normal way and the rest of the team gets years to analyze it and get it offscreen.>They had an extra year to try, Would have done nothing except wear out Gohan and probably make things worse as Goku himself said, the extra year had 0 benefit.>Goku should have just overworked his kid for no benefit to fit my retarded headcanonThe rest period was important, did you forget the 'Rest well' part of the Turtle School? What you want is the exact kind of pointless overworking that fucked up Vegeta.
>>539388191Even though the execution is/was half assed, it's still the only DB fighting game (no WoW combat like DBO, or rock/paper/scissors shit like UT) with CAC, and to top it off it has Frieza's race and humans. I personally stopped seeing the appeal to it.
>>539387901>Goku does one good thing when he's already dead and can talk in Gohan's ear after failing to understand Gohan and Piccolo doesn't move because Cell can just flex them all away and suddenly he's a good dad
>>539388809Had Piccolo been at the wheel, everyone (including Gohan) would have died.With Goku calling the shots, an android got killed and everyone got roughed up but survived.
Bad father btw
https://youtu.be/NsAgnNg5DG8???Can anyone find any sources on if these "leaks" are real or not?
>Piccolo is the real dad
>>539376187 That forehead flick super accelerated his CTE
>>539389237The white outline feels weird, but i have seen lots of talk that in the beta bacterian was actually a helper in the game so i'm having second thoughts
>Goku being supportive makes him a good dadI guess a lot of you had absent or bad fathers if this is all it takes
>>539389237Well, there goes tapion being a skin for trunks, but I guess is fine for him being a Helper, at least it existAlso, I want to watch Bacterian kissing a reluctant Bra
>>539389237Panbros... we lost to Bra.WE LOST TO FUCKING BRA
>>539388410>And they did use them. Well, they used 1 in a way that mattered (taunting Cell) and wasted like 4 or 5 of them on jobbers.Lmao. Sure let their friends die I guess.>And it works in universe because Cell was so obscenely strong the senzu didn't matter.And even then you still don't give it to the villain. They have limited amount of senzu and Goku used one of them in a villain for a fair fight.>Goku was about to save Gohan from Cell. That's all there was. They had no plan of defeating Cell by ganging up on him. EVERYONE knew it was meaningless because Cell could kill them all at any point. It wasn't even close.>Goku was about to jump into the fray to save his son from being killed. Can you understand that, you soulless redditor?Why do you talk like ganging up on Cell means Goku isn't trying to save Gohan? Plan isn't working, Gohan could die for real, time to attack. At the bare minimum, Piccolo was also planning to attack (He was taking off his weighted clothing). >That's not how this arc worked. It was 100% about Gohan's potential and nothing else.And said potential has other ways to be accessed. SS1 was a form that Goku only obtained when seeing Krillin die, but later Vegeta and Gohan himself got the form without such sacrifices. Something being obtainable under extreme conditions doesn't mean it's the only way to be obtained. They had an extra year to try. If it failed, Goku was backed into a corner but still felt confident Gohan could do it, I would find the plan less frustrating (vagueposting aside), but they had more time to try other means and didn't bother.>No other solution was on the table, period. It took Goku and Vegeta 7 years to get there in the first place.And Gohan's potential outclasses both of theirs'. Just because it took them 7 years, doesn't mean Gohan would need that much time.
>>539390295Bra's, just a support so Pan will be fineNow Goten being a support, that's a legit wtf moment.
>>539390295that is assuming she wont be playable in the future
>>539389237>Baby and Frieza getting "naked" skinsLmao>Kale getting Gine's armorNow that's hotPlease be real
>>539390353>>539390441Phew I got worried for a second there, thank God the leak is just about Bra being a helper
>Bojack makes you think they're gonna do cool obscure heroes in the roster>Immediately puts Tapion in support But whyGod can you imagine the shit storm if One of the Broly variants ended up as a support
>>539390713>God can you imagine the shit storm if One of the Broly variants ended up as a supportBio Broly
>>539390347>Sure let their friends die I guessMaybe let's not give a senzu to Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo..? Actually maybe just get Dende to heal those guys, Goku can even teleport them there. They wasted the senzus for nothing. And that doesn't make them retards, that's just the plot taking one or two shortcuts here and there. Senzu and healer (Dende) management wasn't what the plot was going for here, and you're the only autist stuck on it.>And even then you still don't give it to the villainYou do if you want the villain to take the bait instead of getting annoyed and killing you all>Why do you talk like ganging up on Cell means Goku isn't trying to save Gohan? There are two different things. One is Gohan being bearhugged to death by Cell, and Goku tried to stop that. Another is everyone trying to kill Cell by 7v1ing him, and it's hopeless and Goku knows it and isn't trying to do that. I'm pretty that wouldn't be his plan after he saved Gohan, he'd probably try to take some time to help Gohan get in the right mood.>And said potential has other ways to be accessedNot here. If Goku went all in on that and made it clear and explicit it was their only hope, then it was. Your retarded fanfictions don't matter. The narrative is clear here, Goku hit a wall, he can't torture his body to get real gains anymore, all he can do is bet on Gohan. The extra year meant jackshit.
>>539390760>Bio Broly gets in>Both Z and Super Broly are supports/bosses
Are they finally adding dialogue choices, character interactions and dating in XV2?!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXn2kBbFaRcAlso seems the city being destroyed is just gonna be the 'Freeza attack the city' event on steroid.
>>539390828Fucking KINOAnd make Giant Bio Broly a boss too even though he's playable
They need to add a comeback mechanic to Gekishin, it's kinda annoying to have the match decided in the first 3 minutes and then it's just autopilot to defeat or victory.
>>539391265what would that be? with out making all the game pointless except by the end like pokemon unite does
>>539391486No clue, I'm not a game designer.
>>539391265They already kinda doWhen you're under leveled the game starts spawning a ton of enemies at spawn for you. Just take 30 seconds to kill them all and go up 2 or 3 levels
>>539389237Mercenary Tao gets 0 respect he easily couldve been playable
>>539390454 I'd prefer a Z Broly outfit
>>539391767Maybe I was too harsh on Asura
>>539388693>Which would have wasted time compared to making Gohan stronger.Goku already felt they were as strong as they could go, and they trained a few times (offscreen) after leaving the HTC. One extra training session that makes it clear Gohan is the stronger one wouldn't waste time.>Which is why Goku did a speech that made Gohan confident. Literally all your alternatives would have been at best a waste of precious time.Why is telling someone ahead of time what he's planning a bad idea? It's not like Goku telling Gohan earlier means he can't show confidence in Gohan. Goku only told Gohan (and the audience) the plan that late for meta reasons, so everyone finds out what Goku was planning together, but in-universe that's iffy.Thinking of it, that's a dumb issue with Androids saga and not just Goku. Trunks also tells Goku nothing about the a androids besides "they're too strong", and that's for meta reasons, so the readers find out alongside the characters what the androids can do, even if it makes no sense for Trunks' to explain things so poorly (Conveniently, that allowed Toriyama to replace 19/Gero with another type of androids instead of having to make another absorption type).>Would have done nothing except wear out Gohan and probably make things worse as Goku himself said, the extra year had 0 benefit.It's not like it would be a training to become stronger, just trying to access a new form. But hey, if that can make Goku look less incompetent I'll accept it.>did you forget the 'Rest well' part of the Turtle School?I always find that part funny since Goku's training session for Namek was essentially "Get himself almost killed multiple times for a week and become stronger than ever!" (Although he did rest on the day right before getting to Namek at least). But again, if it can solve the whole "Could use HCT to try to access the form" then there's only Goku's vagueposting to annoy me, that sucks less.
>>539391265>bosses>farming the extra enemy spawnsIt's already there. I've clutched plenty of losing games as Frieza with good defense, boss killing, and base defense.
>>539391752>og db characterYou should've seen it coming.
how much is the checkmark zeni againI have 7 checkmarkless characters and need 970 zeni to level my lowest character up and get to 36
>>539392254>Goku already felt they were as strong as they could go,Yeah, after the year of training, at which point doing anything more would be overstraining.>Why is telling someone ahead of time what he's planning a bad idea? Because then they have to deal with a week worth of anxiety over the situation, instead of just being pep talked on D-Day after already seeing they can do it.>It's not like it would be a training to become stronger, just trying to access a new formIt would be overstraining regardless, you can't separate the form and the body, also it was a form they had no clue even exist, Goku only knew about Gohan's hidden power.>I always find that part funny since Goku's training session for Namek was essentially "Get himself almost killed multiple times for a week and become stronger than ever!"He only did that for a week, not for 2 years.
When the hell are we gonna get some character leaks
>>539322172>“Things like: why do you divide a page this way, how do you guide the reader’s eye, how do you compose a sceneThis was actually my biggest issue with Super and really current Jump. There is no flow
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>>539348682Bandai-licensed anime games are so fucking cooked. I'm buying all Bamco products from grey key sites from now on. Enough is enough.
