Knight edition>What is /crpgg/?This general is dedicated to the discussion of computer role playing games such as:Arcanum, Baldur's Gate, Deus Ex, Disco Elysium, Divinity: Original Sin, Dragon Age, Expeditions, Fallout, Icewind Dale, Jade Empire, Necromancer's Tale, Neverwinter Nights, Pathfinder, Solasta: Crown of the Magister, Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment, Shadowrun, The Age of Decadence, Temple of Elemental Evil, Tyranny, UnderRail, Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines, Warhammer 40k: Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Wasteland, Wizardry, and many others.>Recommendations:https://files.catbox.moe/gx6f4u.png>Computer Role Playing Games Resources:https://pastebin.com/NEvHHATehttps://monkposter.github.io/community.htmlPrevious: >>539167864>Thread QuestionDo you prefer male or female knights?
>Thread QuestionFor npcs it doesn't matter as long as they're realistic and immersive or at least sell a cool concept to me when I'm playing.As a player I always play a male character in isometric rpgs.
If you don't pick a basic human male fighter or rogue as your guy, you are gay.
>>539289418>As a player I always play a male characterWhy? You can roleplay a half-orc or a dwarf but you can't roleplay a girl?
Skald makes me want more ultima clones.
>>539289109>TQMale Knights, if women are combatants they should have their own order.>>539289510Where does Spellsword fit into that?
>>539286459Yeah i had to change it, the cropped version of that portrait makes it look like i was jerking it while looking at anons straight in the eyes Been shopping around for the perfect portrait actually but i think i am gonna settle on this one
>>539289915>Where does Spellsword fit into that?Eldrich knight.
>>539290009>Eldrich knight.Magus.
>>539290009>>539290583But is it gay! I need to know.
>>539289109>Gina>7int>Dey Hea>HagfreyI can't think of a single female knight character that I liked, so male I guess
>Has a portrait >Has voiced lines>Even team up with you somewhat>Support class that none of your companions have>Ended up doing super minimal plot wise>Just sorta fucked off foreverBut why?
>>539290730Maybe a little bicurious. Putting on eyeliner to get attention from girls in college tier.
>Wenduag calls the Cammiefags the fuck out
>>539291252awwww Wendog thinks Cam's face is dainty and pretty
>>539291063Wouldn't be surprised if it was an early intention to have her as a companion under certain circumstances
>>539292308>They will never let you fuck the midget
Why are you not a fighter/illusionist?
>>539291252I love the catfights between those two.
>>539289997>the cropped version of that portrait makes it look like i was jerking it while looking at anons straight in the eyesNot once in a million years would my mind have leapt to imagining what was going on below the bottom of that portrait till now.
why ogre mages in BG? do they have a lore reason more generally in DnD?
>>539291252Why do we bring her along anyway? She's just some noble brat.
>>539288334He's a caster twink. A healslut. Any martial or hybrid class is going to be stronger and more intimidating than him.
>>539289109>Do you prefer male or female knights?There's nothing better than being a knight and having a 10/10 shy but righteous knight gf by your side preferably in bikini armor
>>539288334As a trve puer aeternus, he has a mommy/older sister fetish that would "adopt" him, see his not-so-hidden lust over Galfrey
>>539289109Human Male Knight with a longswordDevoted Loyal Female Lawful Good Angel Knight gf companion with a holy longswordshame no game did that
>>539294437Targona...
>>539293313Why not? Is there any reason those fuckers can't have their own flavor of arcane caster? Ogres would be a literal nightmare. Fucking terrifying. Nephilim-tier shit. Seems silly to not let them cast spells.
Females can't be knights. It's called being a Dame.
>>539291252A simple regeneration spell can fix both of those wounds.But it can't fix Wenduag's bad genes.Also Camellia's usefulness to the party far exceeds anything you can get from Wenduag. Wenduag is literally worth less than the free pet Camellia as a bonus to the laundry list of other things she can do.Like it's not even close.
>>539294627>Ogres would be a literal nightmare. Fucking terrifying. Nephilim-tier shit.Why...
>>539294750knight is a class, not a title
I will crush, crush you to goo!
>>539293313Literally every race with any semblance of culture develops their own mages. Although in case of ogres, ogre magi might not be actual ogres at all, depending on edition.
>kissing your spouse in front of Jaheiraoops...
>>539294778I'd say they're both useless but Wendu at least gives you access to the mongrels if you were retarded enough to pick her instead of Lann.
>>539294963>ogre magi might not be actual ogres at all, depending on editionwhat do you mean?
>>539295013Why did you give her shart's gear
After some brief research I have come to the conclusion that at no point in history has there ever been a female knight in the traditional sense of the word.Eventually we had ceremonial knighthoods being handed out to people that never so much as lifted a sword in their lives but we don't count that for obvious reasons.
>>539295372The blue-skinned ogres were eventually 'revealed' to be a type of oni, who are ogre-adjacent but still different race. But then again any details on oni as a whole were lost in depths of time, not sure what their status in 5e is.
>>539294797>Why...Gee, I wonder...
>>539295632>different raceLike how blacks and whites are a different race? Got it.
>>539289883Yeah if I play a more 3d game like Mass Effect I'll occasionally play a female character there, but if I want to immerse I prefer a male avatar, female avatars are for butt-staring.
I always goMelee and/or good playthrough - boyMagic user and/or evil playthrough - girl
>>539295483Joan of Arc wasn't a knight technically but its the one go-to anyone would probably think of as a historical example.
>>539296489What does this imply about gishes
>>539296489>serious playthroughmale>edgelord playthroughgoth waifusimple as
>>539296538Also a good example of why there weren't many of them.
>pope Joan>Joan d'Arcwhat is it with Joans?
>historySir this is /crpgg/, we ain't doing anything but fantasy here
oh yeah? so where are the virgin female companions in my fantasy games?
Which historical figure is the most similar to you class and stats wise? For me its Lancelot.
why is mystic theurge so shit
>>539298669Diogenes
>>539298669Easy
>>539301807Foragingbros we got too cocky...
>>539294921nahknight = male there is no "female" knight or "female" samurai women"king" tier bs
>>539285451Temple of the Good Hunt did let you press (on certain mythic paths), but I was so conditioned by the game railroading me that it never occurred to me. Only found out about it by looking it up because I felt bad about Kyado on my last playthrough.
Isn't there a Nurah romance mod now?
>escort mission with a super weak npc that causes a game over if they dieforgot about this part
>>539298669kanye west
>>539303018https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/776 this one? Been tempted to try it actually.
>>539303018>>539304809>have the most obvious and promising setup for either romance or just a redemption/evil path in general (way better premise than Arue even)>go nowhere with itWhy are Owlcat like this?
>>539305263You're delusional.
>>539305263>speak to female >holy FUCK this is the perfect potential romance why the fuck didn't owlcat do anything with this
>>539305318How am I wrong? Even the minimum backstory we get from Nurah (slave who hates hypocritical crusaders) is a great premise. Of course its its really an Owlcat signature to squander potential (Sosiel's companion quest for instance has to be the most dumb and anticlimactic thing I ever experienced, despite having a good premise) so even if they had made Nurah a companion they'd fuck it up somehow.
Point me to an RPG that allows me to marry a cute elf waifu please.
>>539305674>Even the minimum backstoryYeah, precisely. You're seething over nothing. Literally came up with something to be upset over. "Oh nyo this random schizo bitch that appears for three seconds is perfect romance uuuuggghh".Jesus Christ. It's not like WotR lacks actual problems, why do you insist on doing this?
>>539306283Well, we can always talk about Veilguard instead.
>kill Yrilet in act 2>for some reason her corpse shows up in Cumrag and Kibbles mentions the traitor is dead despite never inviting her to the party and killing her the first chance I got>get a notification on Quetza that I failed her quest because I purged the xenos when she's been fucking dead for 2 actsIs the game still this buggy or did they think no one would blast the retard's head off?
>>539301807where's the part about 100000000 bugmen dying?
>>539304809Me too, but as a mod romance I'm almost certain it'll be shit.
>>539306496>OooOOooOo too spooky for a simple mon-keigh oooOoOo?You're fucked. Sooner or later you'll end up in Ghost Yrliet's inner world. But, lacking her romance flag to advance the conversation, you'll be stuck there.>Yrliet and Elantach >Elantach and Yrliet >FOREVERRRR
how are you enjoying the year of obsidian?
>>539291252
>>539294778Regeneration can't fix bad personality either
>>539307176Digestible>>539291252Insecure
Will bloodlines 2 be the bg3 killer?
>>539307836it'll be the owlkek killer, the bg3 killer, the veilguard killer, its going to kick all your chud dicks off
>R U D I has entered the thread
>>539307836Bloodlines 2 won't even be the Bloodlines 1 killer
>>539307005flintlock in bottom right is pogging
>>539307836>no malk>voiced protagonistit'll flop
>>539307836It'll be the didn't play it but will still spend every hour of the day posting about how bad it is on 4channel of the year
>bg3 killerWill be made by bioware since they are about to have another renaissance. Now that Microsoft has fired all the incompetent staff members bioware will be back on top.
>>539308279isn't the protagonist a malk schizophrenic?
>>539308279You have a schizo voice in your head no matter what. You're pretty much forced to have a dementation.
>>539308420>virtually any tpp action game with skill system is classified as an rpg these daysgrim
>unironically liking the "lol hahaha im so random and crazy XD" raceMalk is the worse clan
>>539308548that's lame and not as entertaining as being an actual schizo
malk is tranny coded
>>539308918if I wanted to be a schizo I'd just play myself instead of a video game
>>539308918Having an imaginary friend is like bog standard malk
>>539309095you're supposed to self insert while playing a role
>>539298669No way you have -3AC
>>539308625vtmb is a fucking plague for creating people who will never be satisfied by anything other than dogshit fishmalks
>>539308493You're funny
>>539302221female samurai are called onna-musha
I don't get why people were mad about BG3 Viconia. Her character development was always a romance exclusive thing and we're forever stuck with the book canon.
>>539309826>bring back a character solely for nostalgia points just to make them sound & act like someone completely differentno one cared about lucian turning into hitler in DOS but people actually care about bg characters
actually a crpg with literally hitler as a companion option would be interesting
>>539311905
>>539312084not even close and I mean actual literal Adolf Hitler
>>539312298Lawtist types like Regill do come close as far as the whole "facing grim realities, making hard choices" angle, but it always crumbles when you examine their actual ideology. Like why are they making those hard choices, what is this perfect, ordered society they envision and it turns out its a comic villainesque "uhm, having slaves and doing evil shit for lulz, b-but with contracts".
>>539221334> They exist just because someone at owlshart thought "hey, this might be cool to do"Nah, that is balls hurt gays 3 problem, not owlcuck'sOwlcuck's games are pretty good in terms of writing and very consistent. They don't have such bullshit like balls hurt gays 3 act 3 disaster
>>539309826Even an unromanced Viconia was a not-too-evil drow who fled the Underdark after refusing to sacrifice an infant. That's the foundation of her character, without any romance-induced growth or alignment change. That this same not-too-evil character would later kidnap a kid on the order of her goddess is nothing short of character assassination.
>replying to a 20 hour old post just so you can seethe about bg3 for 100th thread in a rowsad
>>539312764rent free
>>539312764desu act 3 was decent on its own but the story itself falls apartif anything I'd argue that act 2 is the lowest point being extremely linear and basically just a single dungeon with shadow curse itself being a non issue after the first 5 minutes instead of an interesting survival mechanic
>>539311905Pathfinder had a module where Rasputin was level 18 oracle, so it would be possibleHoly shit Reign of winter was absolute dogshit
>>539312571>"facing grim realities, making hard choices" angle,lol
>>539307005Avowed was pretty great but felt like a tech demo for a bigger game
>>539308493> >bg3 killerIt was made by me a couple of hours ago, but then I pressed the toilet flush button, and it disappeared forever. But don’t worry, tomorrow I’ll make another BG3 killer.
>>539313132I'd agree it goes downhill at Act 2 but there were issues in Act 1 as well. The Shadow Curse isn't particularly interesting and Aylin feels like a dev's self-insert.
>>539307005How fucking out of touch does company X need to be to tweet something as cringy as "current_year was the year of X"
My master owes me sex.
>>539313463master owes you nothing, you're his bitch he will use or not if he feels like it
>>539309826> were mad about BG3 Viconia.She was made into an elderly hag despite being a pureblood elf who hasn’t even reached her prime age. She’s not a young maiden, but turning her into a wrinkled old hag is idiocy.
>>539289510This except dwarf fighter and halfling rogue.
>>539313379>topoverrated, nonsensical Tolkienslop character design (what if Gandalf shot lightning from his hands lol, what if Bilbo was a master assassin lol, what if Eowyn was a competent fighter lol)>bottomoriginal, intelligent modern character design (everything exists for a reason, wizard isn't 120 yo, goblin is a rogue, female warrior actually looks muscular), representative of the beautiful diversity of DnD
>>539313589>bg2 boomers look at this piece of shit on the left and are like "ooooh I'm foooking coooming she's the sexiest woman in gaming history"she's always been ugly
>>539312571>historically illiterate award
>>539313589Does she look so good in the game that you have to be that dishonest
>>539313680this but unironically
>>539309826No it wasn't. Even a non-romanced version fell out of favor with Shar.
>>539313680> original, intelligent modern character designNah-ah, faggot. Fuck off
>no arguments, more of the same boomerbook slop
>>539313991>She is still an unrepentant cultist >But this random guy betrayed her off screen and cause her whole cultie business to collapse>This got Viconia fired by the cult CEO>Drizz member Drizz LMAO>Anyway that is why she got the magic presidential medal of honor >She doesn't give a fuck tho cuz Viccie is keel like that
>>539313680>>539314242You zoomers ruin everything you touch with your overdesign.Older versions have conciseness, an aesthetic of adventure, and the spirit of other worlds. Your creations, on the other hand, reek of California and Rick and Morty. They lack soul.
>>539314342aping LotR or Conan is not a free ticket for "soul" lmao
>>539314451As an actual old man, the top was seen as fantasy slop at the time. The type of fake conan and lotr shit you'd see in the bargain bin novel section
female characters should have a -2 str malus but a +2 cha bonus
>>539314342all of these things were made/ruined by millenials & gen X though
Zoomers have RUINED dnd by playing it in ways I don't likeI will never play a single game of dnd btw
>>539314705Solasta is decent though, despite being 5eIt's just bastard Swinke was thinking more about homoerotism than gameplay for his game
I'm interested in picking up a crpg and I landed on Icewind Dale. I'm not really familiar with DND rules based games other than BG3. Is ID fun? My biggest question is should I go for the original or the enhanced edition?And any tips for Icewind Dale? The setting seems neat.
>>539314880>My biggest question is should I go for the originalHow will you do that when it's been scrapped from the internet and you can only get the good goy edition?
>>539314521what was kino at the time?
>>539314964>scrapped All you need to do is type "Free GOG games" into any search engine. It's that simple.
>>539314880>And any tips for Icewind Dale?Skip the first, IWD2 is much better
>>539314880>Is ID funKinda. It's mostly just combat so if you don't know if you like infinity engine games, you might hate it. Go for the OG if you can spend 12 minutes patching stuff.
>>539314964Tech illiterate and retarded is a powerful combo
>The author's barely disguised fetish
>>539315336How are they even still up?
Felinid Kibbles my beloved
>>539315038Not him but in the past when something was soulless or aping something else it was usually just "that one thing" and everything else was fine instead of a wholesale rejection.Like the prevalence of dual wielding characters after Driz'zt, or playing good-aligned drow (and other traditionally 'evil' races as an excuse to play a "cool" monster race). The reasons were usually that it was popular and cool rather than it was a corporate skinsuit trying to move product while gutting what made something actually good.Unless that anon is old enough to be complaining that things were just literally aping Tolkien and Robert E Howard I guess, in which case that's the more direct answer to your question.
Okay but what about my front?
>>539313710its just the nature of the biodrone, i have yet to see an attractive woman made by bioware
>>539309664those are female warriors "monks" not samurai
So much bait seething over old bioware today
>>539316676It's a rough couple of threads we had recently
>>539316552Fucker blocked my fucking back so now my magic casters have nowhere to fucking run
I sure do love waiting 10000 years for the shitty ship combat to take place. Who the fuck designed this dog shit tithe quest?
remember when shitters were crying about ship combat in PoE 2 being braindead ?
>>539316613no, where did you get that from, total war, onna musha literally translates to female warrior, if they were nuns they wouldve used the word for nun which is ama or bikuni
>>539317236Turn up combat speed dipshitActually maybe that doesn't affect ship combatTurn it up anyway
Should I bother having mobility 3 for that +1 AC? My guy has negative int as is.
>>539317674So he's right. Females can't be samurai.
>>539313828Nta, but BG2 female sprites are pretty hot, mate. Put them in full plate or chain and they look good. Busty women. Great cleavage on the paperdoll, too.
>>539305721BG2
>>539318086Yeah, bro. Specialize. Specialize. Specialize. Then leverage your strengths and completely circumvent your weaknesses through tactical and strategic gameplay.
>>539315038Science fiction / science fantasy was way more hyped at the time of the late 70s to early 80s which then led to too much scifi in the 90s and a return to fantasy in the 2000s with the lotr movies
>>539318178no, because samurai is a caste, onna musha is what the wives and daughters are called, its the same in other class based societies, you have prince and princess, duke and duchess, and samurai has bushi and onna musha
>>539295632>ogres :|>ogres, Japan :O
>>539318390The absolute state
>>539319042Just sounds like a cope to me. If there is another name for female warriors, then thry aren't samurai. You can argue they still pertain to the warrior caste, but if nobody called them samurai and there was only like a few of them in all of history, then they ain't samurai.
most bussin crpg?
>>539320376thats because samurai literally doesnt mean warrior, you denote them by gender with bushi or onna musha, its not until the edo period it just means warrior(retainer), they stopped using either terms because they did away with the entire warrior caste
>>539320998Wizardry on ps2
Do you guys usually rotate party members or do you just stick to the same party the whole game?
>>539323318Same party for the most part, at least as of the earliest point I can recruit everyone I want. Though that's rarer in Owlcat games where I generally prefer to make mostly mercenaries.
>>539321846I see what you did there
So if the elves went black then they never go back?
>>539305263Not giving you any bard in wotr was rude.
>>539324440Why do you keep changing your portrait?
>>539324714Bitches keep offering me free sex in exchange for me to show them my Maximized Fire Ball and Magic Missiles so i have to constantly disguise myself. I just want to adventure
>>539324212Same members so I can replay with different members and it feels fresh. Then I don't have to make a build for every fucking character. Except for fucking wotr because they put that part in the final fight where the B team has to defend your main team
>>539324557Your Galfrey?
>>539323318I usually end up with a core party and one free slot for whoever I feel fits whatever quest I'm doing. Unless it's BG where the game punishes you for swapping a lot.
>>539324440D for Dork lmoa
>>539324957That sounds really annoying, what if you don't have a B team because you dismissed them all?
>>539325432I shall remember that
>>539325825Allies from the story and your mythic path also show up in that fight. If for some reason you have no one, the reinforcements just automatically show up to the boss fight to flank you
>>539325825Nobody would be that much of a friendless loser
I sometimes feel like I play roles better in something like Rimworld, are there any similar games (perhaps actual crpg that somehow successfully do the whole procedural generation thing)?
mogging ugly belcuck design
>>539319312What? Is that too old school for you? Do you need 4K furry trannies to feel anything?
>>539296489I always goGirly boy I want to fuck - boyBoy I want to fuck - girl
>>539321785>they did away with the entire warrior casteSo you're saying they wouldn't call a woman a samurai.
is The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard a CRPG?
>>539326830I get that it’s rough being a teenager but you’re never supposed to admit you tickled your pickle to paperdolls and combat sprites
>>539325092>punishesOpportunity cost isn't punishment, anon. Your victim mentality is pussy shit.
>>539327060I took anon to mean the fact that out of party companions don't level along with you
In the old BIoware/Black Isle days developers started to become known for their skillful work in creating beloved games, leading to oft-mocked celebrity worship of Sawyer and Avellone and others.But other than a handful of executives who like to make noise on twitter it seems like the current batch of games don't have this kind of thing, even outside of the crpg genre, its rare, like there's no celebrity narrative designer from Owlcat, there's no beloved writer from the Witcher 3 (not counting the original setting writer).The closest thing seems to be the Larian CEO but he's not quite the same and really more of a social media butterfly/journalism whore.
I wanna smooch her.
>>539328236Because modern game dev is done by DEI and executive committee. There's no room for designers or artists with personal visions. Its an assembly line McJob where you put together whatever soulless blueprint for globohomo propaganda they give you.
>>539326506>perhaps actual crpg that somehow successfully do the whole procedural generation thingNethack
>>539328236There are still celebrity devs, they are just all independant (Pope, Barone, that other guy)
Please stop shitposting, anons
>>539329481>7 questions in a rowSomeone get the red marker
>>539329481>shoots emder in the face and shits in her gaping woundLol! Lmao!
>>539328236Social media is just a different place than it used to be.
Is Pathfinder Kingmaker a good choice for my first non bg3 D20 game? I like the bits of dialogue screenshots I've seen.I looked at the companion list though and all these characters seem to contrast in alignment a bit too much and I'm not sure how that would play out in game. Is it a big deal? And where does the DLC fit into this cause it's like 20 dollars of dlc alone (I already own the game I guess I bought it in 2018?). Is it fun? The only thing I know about 3.5 is that there is a lot of pre fight buffing or something. Oh and is the timed quest stuff as bad as people say? The reviews make it sound insufferable but it's hard to tell if it's just players being negligent and stupid or if it's actually way too demanding of a timer.
>>539329731Good luck, I'm behind iceplant + false life + greater false life + bracers of armor 8 + Haramaki 5
>>539328236Do we really need devs to be ego tripping faggots?Surely CD project, Larian and Owlcat have some cult following established, it's just not tied to personalities.
>>539331837It is fun but i would recommend wrath of the righterous since it is much more polished. Better companions too in my opinionYou get a few King maker reference here and there in Wrath but you dont really miss out on anything
>>539331837Go with wotr over kingmaker. It's a better experience
>>539331837The timed quests aren't that bad as long as you're not stupid and think the horde of angry things that want to kill you will wait while you make kissy faces with your companions. The problem is how it's handled and it will get grating being called back to the capital every week for some pointless conversations.
>>539332138It's not that, the other anon above is right. Games are too big now, there isn't a room for a single dev/writer with a "vision" to follow and even memes like Todd or Swen are more PR figures than anything resembling game directors.
>>539331837Just don't put difficulty beyond core and you'll be okay.Companion affinity doesn't matter except for romance.For timed quests you get a lot of time but kingdom building also spends a lot of time. Actual adventuring is done relatively fast.
>>539332273>>539332184I thought of work first but the idea of missing references, tortures me. Although I guess it would be cool to play KM second and have the reverse realization of "ohhh this was in wotr".I guess I just worry that wotr is an upgrade too and it would make playing KM feel worse since it's older and I'd assume less polished but who knows
>>539331837First of all, just like most here, I would recommend wotr over kingmaker. Second of all - what's your tolerance for number crunching and tooltip reading? If it's low then stay away from any d20 games. If it's high, then go ahead, but I suggest starting on normal difficulty and adjusting it as you start feeling more confident. I would also recommend keeping it simple for now - a fighter or a paladin class is a good simple way to play the game for a new player, though they too are not without their nuances
>>539331837>all these characters seem to contrast in alignment a bit too much and I'm not sure how that would play out in gameThere's a larger cast of potential companions. The quintessential CRPG, BG1&2, had a cast of ~25 possible companions (though of course the bants/reactivity was lower) so I think maybe coming from BG3 you aren't aware that having a tiny set of companions is not the norm. >is it a big deal?No. For much of the game you'll have a kingdom to manage and so maybe you keep a companion around for a council position, or maybe not. You should approach it like "what would my character do?">DLCI personally didn't like the "roguelike" DLC in KM or WotR. I thought Varnhold's Lot was very cool though it has you playing a different character and some people really hate this, I don't understand why. It fits into the main story in a neat way.>timedI never found this to be a problem at all. The only problem I've found is certain activities force the clock forward 2 weeks, which can fuck you up if you aren't expecting it. That and there's certain main-story events that you want to deal with sooner rather than later. Overall, I'd say not an issue at all. More of an issue is that there's some Asshole DM syndrome now and then, and you can also miss stuff just for not being in the right place at the right time (Jubilost and the troll guy for instance). But, also not the end of the world imo. I happened on both without any prior knowledge.Also I think it's a good choice over WotR simply because going from WotR to KM is tough due to all the quality of life improvements WotR made.
>>539332138a lead dev with a clear vision? yeah i would say so, at least when it comes to writingOwlcat and Larian games don't even come close to something like Planescape or VTM: Bloodlines, the story in these games always tries to be about everything so it ends up being about nothing. the only parts that are praised are companion interactions and romances because what the modern rpg player craves is a social life sim i guess
>>539332073Bro... that's a 1 hit kill.
>>539332864>I guess I just worry that wotr is an upgrade too and it would make playing KM feel worse since it's older and I'd assume less polished but who knowsYou're 100% correct here. And it's not like KM is a trash game, it's just a bit dated in some ways, and they don't have the rights to update it anymore. KM has a great setting, tone, characters, and pretty good story. Also plenty of jank, but it's still worth playing and I think it's better to do KM -> WotR
>>539333614>KM>great charactersIt has exactly 2 great characters - Ekun and Jubilost. The rest range from godawful to meh
>>539328348
>>539333417I wouldn't call Bloodlines as an example of standout writing. If a good crpg is novel-sized, that one was like a short pulp story anthology.
>>539305721WIIIIINGGGGGSS
>>539334169>I wouldn't call Bloodlines as an example of standout writing.What?The strength of VtMB lies in dialogue. It's probably the example of the most natural-sounding dialogue in all gaming, maybe outside of CDPR games.
>>539332864Hate to break it to you, but both games also have references to the other tabletop adventure paths that you won't get if you didn't play them
>>539334537>>the example of the most natural-sounding dialogue in all gaming,>make everyone talk like they're from LA>this is "natural-sounding dialogue"
>>539334770>>make everyone talk like they're from LAWell, the game takes place in LA, so what did you expect?
>>539334770Yeah
>>539334770Where do you think do those games "exist" anon?
>natural-sounding dialogueWhat does this even mean? In real life people stumble on words, uses erm, hmm, yeah, like, you know, I mean, lose their train of thought, use don't and can't instead of do not and cannot, change topics mid-sentence, interrupt each other, react to each other, trail off, etc. No rpg dialogue is like that.
>>539334848>>539335263>>539335483My point is that it's just a real place that's prominently featured in media, it's not some kind of feat to write dialogue that sounds like the shit you hear every day in tv shows.
>>539335728>No rpg dialogue is like that.VTMB does, though "dialogue" is a stretch here, it's more of a monologue.
>>539335728>What does this even mean?For starters don't dump the entirety of your backstory on your partner becasue he asked how your day was going. Keep it short. Logic Artists are good at it. Owlcat are bad at it
>>539334770that shit was WACK.
Azata is actually not reddit. It's /co/mblr.
Is knights of the chalice 2 any good after all the updates?I remember playing it on release and the difficulty was all out of whackI don't mind casters being more powerful than martials but here you basically relied on spell scrolls to win your fights.I just beat dawnsbury days dlc so I'm ok with the janky graphics
>>539335992>Can't go over why X is problematic>Has no list of people to boycott and shun>No Tumblr sexymanNah, not really.
Andrei was my favorite. He was such an autist.
>>539335992Azata is fucking awesome, I don't get why this thread hates it>halflings showing up randomly and murdering demons>Recruiting treants, mimics, dragons, and demons into a super army>Desna gifts you a free succubus >Tell an Archdevil to shut the fuck up before he tries his contract bullshit and slap his ass back to Hell>Kamikaze a magical island straight into the worldwoundI loved it
>>539336151/co/mblr isn't exactly tumblr
Torn between Necromancer's Tale, Age of Decadence, or Colony Ship. Anyone play any of those?
>>539336448>>Desna gifts you a free succubusThis is pretty fucked up though. Arue is essentially some evil woman mindraped into being a "tradwife".
>>539336706Desna doesn't force her to be good and she can choose to be evil again if she wants. Desna simply gave her the clarity to make a decision
>>539336448The succubus and Azata path are two separate things.
>>539336539Necromancer's Tale is good. I recommend it, but it's more talking and less fighting
>>539337259You get her early through Azata means and if you are on the path, Desna begs you to fuck her into a good girl
>>539337405If it wanted me to fuck the tranny succ then maybe it should have given her a personality and good looks for a start
What a stupid bitch. We had a good thing going and you fucked it all up.
>>539337386That's fine with me. Is there reactivity and stuff like that?
>>539337637I'm sure this won't happen in my endings.
>>539337637>a femoid has a waman momentWhy are you surprised? It's kind of a running theme in the game
My hot take is that BG1 (and 2, but to a lesser extent) suck and people just like them through rose tinted glasses.
>>539338986This but unironically
>>539337637She can serve as your living divine onahole
>>539339217Daeran is a better character and an onahole
>>539338986I like BG1 and 2 despite the long list of flaws I now recognize in them.
>>539339413Genuine question, but what do you like about them? I think they were good games for their time, but they held up poorly.
Local toll collector not so tough after having all of its gold stolen.
>>539337637>demon gets epic powers>becomes demon lordMany such cases.
>>539337637>local retard didn't get the Woljiff + Greybor + Whorueshalae demonic alliance endingretard
>>539336539Colony Ship by far, it absolutely mogs the other two games in terms of being a complete RPG package and is of much higher production quality.
>>539339873That one was pretty neat. I'm glad owltards are embracing the join ending for their companions. I always hated how in most other crpgs companions exist as if in a vacuum, never interacting with each other outside of obligatory banter. Expeditions: Rome is another good one in that regard
>>539338986I regularly see new players comment about how much they try and enjoy them though, no possibility of rose tinted glasses
BG1 is fun, because it is a well crafted low level adventure similar to ToEE.BG2 is fun, because you can slap Tactics on it and turn it into one of the most challenging tactical RPGs ever made.Vanilla BG2 is dogshit, thoughalbeit: way too easy. Especially with ToB installed that throws HLAs on you almost mid-way through SoA.
Ok, nignogs, should I play bg3 or rt?
>should I eat shit or drink pissDunno my dude, you decide on that one.
>>539339873>Not immediately killing gaybore for being a little retard
>>539340787BG3 if you haven't already. RT can wait for more patches.
>>539339574I'm too lazy to elaborate too much for each, but I'll list a few things. The sense of exploration, the epic narrative of going from zero to hero, the Jaheira/Viconia romances which are more focused on talking and emotional bonding rather than completing a quest, the BG2 companions who are surprisingly nuanced despite limited characterization, the spellcasting battles, the many high-level monsters like dragons and liches, the Bhaalspawn narrative, and the overall cohesion of the saga. SoA is probably the best part, with ToB being kind of a letdown, but not enough to detract from the overall experience.
>>539293313My headcanon is that someone in old Bioware was a raging weeaboo.For some reason katana is a weapon type (zero presence in dnd later). For some reason there is that asian ninja companion.For some reason a lot of enemies are weaboo ogres.None of the forgotten realms games past nwn1 had any of that.To be fair late 90s early 00s were peak weaboo in popular media (matrix, etc.), so this reflected in bg too.
>>539339739But she didn't become a demon lord because she's too much of a retard. I mean she started the redemption tour because she was a gigaretard who thought fucking with the most unstable Good deity was a good idea.
>>539340862How much longer till rt is finished? bg3 is done now, right? Or are they gonna add more shit?
>>539339873What happens in that
>>539341094Next year the last 2 DLC come out and then it's done
>>539341129A happy end for all three of them where they just live as demonic nobles and cooperate.
>>539340871I'd take weebshit over>le generic sci fi interjected into generic fantasy because... the devs watched star trek
>>539341235Woljif gets a better ending where Daeran gets to pimp out his bussy virginity in absalom
>>539341129They take over the Isles together and everyone is mad because they are actually evil friends who don't backstab each other
I did make a comment regarding skalds just being better bards in a previous thread, but playing around more with Court Poet did make me realize something. I had assumed Hideous Laughter affected undead (skeletons are jolly fellows after all), but it doesn't. I've just never cast that spell with anyone who wasn't a Dirge Bard before. So that's a plus for the Bard; being able to enchant undead.
>>539341515>>539341235Wtf cute
>>539341515All three of them killed themselves/each other when Nocticula left and the Isles crashed into dysfunctional demon retardation again.
Do I need to do anything other than finding that one guy in the market square before I go attack grey garrison?
>>539340871We got a lot of that at the time. Endgame PST weapons are references to different anime like Escaflowne or Gundam
>>539342172Did you save Storyteller?
>>539342172Did you find the belt buckle? It shows up as a quest if you talk to storyteller about it, but you just need to have it and can talk to him later with the other mats before he leaves at the beginning of the next act.
>>539340871>None of the forgotten realms games past nwn1 had any of that.So, Dark Alliance and uh...Demon Stone? Means nothing.All that "weeb stuff" is from Forgotten Realms official printed material.
>>539342581Yeah I saved him>>539342602I don't think I found that, is it found somewhere after the tutorial area?
>>539343063In the burning house with the Brimmorak. It makes the covenant of the inheritor with 5 orbs, of which you can find mostly in grey garrison. In order to make it you need to talk to the Storyteller at the beginning of the next act before he leaves (so before you talk to the Queen). One of the best items in the game and very missable.
Crpgs for this feel?
>>539344006wotr
>>539329625She's delivering a sermon, that's not somewhere you go for succinct anyway.
>>539342172Finnean, Woljiff's stuff (if you want Woljiff later don't murderhobo the Thieflings), Cam's stuff>>539342581Can't advance without saving him anyhow
>>539344818You dismiss Cam from the party the moment you come out of the shield maze though.
wotr had the perfect bed wench romanceexcept it was a buck breaking.
>>539344818Woljif doesn't come back if you kill them all?
>>539344006Knights of the chalice
>>539345591Well spoiler for anon who hasn't playedSince he doesn't necessarily know that Woljiff runs off for a bitYes, if you kill them, when he runs off you never come across him againIt would have been cooler imo to have him actually rise up in the cultist ranks and eventually you have to face him with his grandpa powers. This path not just from killing the thieflings but maybe a couple other bad-decisions to make it slightly more likely as an outcome
>>539344006Josephine from Inquisition if I really had to give an example. But no, we don't really have romances that has the love interest stay at home while you go out to save the world.
>>539327021No.
>Hoofman>Not a Lushu???? Explain???
What stat system do you think is absolutely perfect?
>>539349616FATAL
I thought stopping the research would be a "I don't like you, die" moment and that definitely was an option too, but interestingly it led to a timed quest I guess. I have a week to go on a treasure hunt around Grand Chien before she succumbs to it. I haven't looked at the locations on the map but since I don't have a whole ton of it explored, this might not be doable if it's deep E/SE. I did just decide I can afford a little 3-person squad to run around doing pick-ups and deliveries, and once I finish taking back Ernie (way harder than I thought it'd be due to reasons) I'll have the main squad open to moving wherever too.Still some things I haven't gotten to even in Fleatown, like Blaubert and Smiley, but this new thing will take precedence.
>>539349616>PerfectNo such thing. But I'll pick DOS1 for how it affects so many things.
>>539349616Underrails system is pretty good. It should have started you off with three more points though.
>>539350410>Three more pointsAny particular reason why?
>>539350653Quality of life reasons.
>>539351004post so vague you shut this awful thread up, good job
i completed your questnow you owe me sex
>>539339574Nta, but I like the old school AD&D rulset and I like the Infinity Engine. Old school AD&D is the antithesis to modern RPG degeneracy. Lots of race/class restrictions, classes are generally standardized, yet you can achieve a great deal of customization with how you play any particular character despite this and multi and dual classing (in conjunction with kits and specializations) really expand the number of possibilities. The randomization of attributes makes each character unique. Items are a strong point with the series. It's easy to use them, there's tons of magic items and helpful items and killer weapons. Literally shittons and they're pretty much all hand-made and hand-placed. Despite lacking important QoL systems, it's still one of the best implementations of RTwP. Each character arxhetype is truly unique in theory and in practice and they are all really fun to play. Magic is super expansive and there is a ton of flavor. Seriously. Tons of spells. The games look fantastic. That 2D prerendered shit is cash. I could go on.
>>539355648Are you a cute girl?
>>539356078also NTA but as someone not familiar with AD&D and looking to start BG1, would you say playing a spellcaster is fun?
[Lawful Neutral] You are all I worry about, love.
>>539356078AD&D is just straight up inferior to 3.0e and 3.5e when it comes to character building option variety as well as tactical depth in combat. It was good for its time, but now it's just an archaic relic.
IWD with all characters one class, what's the class
>>539356608Cleric.
>>539349616I'm going to have to say Heroes of Might and Magic 2.
>>539356608Fighter.
>>539356289nta but yes, for sure. Not obligatory by any means but I think the Spell Revisions mod is very good at staying with the spirit of the game and keeping balanced, keeping early spells actually useful later, etc. Vanilla is also good. Very satisfying arc from BG1 through BG2. Late BG2 is a bit of a slog with magic though imo, often turns into the same thing over and over (I haven't yet replayed BG2 with Spell Revisions though)
>cheating cheat spells into the gameVile cheatranny.>keeping early spells actually useful laterIt's called playing a specialist mage, child, or using save reducing spells like malison.
creating an LE barony in kingmaker has to the be the most bleak and empty experience. >set up a tyrannical micro-state to chase clout instead of using your pseudo-superhuman magi-martial abilities to create a lasting nation that sings your genuine praises until the end of time. i've made a huge mistake
>>539336706We've been over this. If Arueshalae was mindraped, then so was Paul the Apostle.
>>539357631Tristian owed me sex, but didn't put out. It's on his conscience
>>539357631The best kind of LE kingdom you can make is something that people believe is LG/NG.
>>539337637Yeah it turns out that evil is destructive
>>539357026>>539357556So what's the move then? Are there any semi-required mods for spellcaster?
>>539357631>He didn't take the fun-pill for immortality so you can make sure latter happens yourself
>>539358123God does not violate man's free will since the said free will is God's gift to man in the first place. Paul's conversion was him exercising the power of his own free will, God just made Himself and His power known to Paul personally through a miracle. Desna, on the other hand, changed Arue's thought processes by dabbling with her nature.
That's not me anymore btw.
>>539358513that passive aggressive anon is just a chronic shitposter, if you're here long enough you recognize the style.As I said, either is fun, no mods are required. But if you like, I personally think Spell Revisions is strictly an improvement without sacrificing the spirit of the game or balance. Go vanilla if you don't want to bother thinking about it, I think that's good as well.
The move is to not be a cheatranny and respect the developer vision by playing vanilla.
>>539358123Yes, we have, and you are literally an imbecile. For this to be any sort of worthwhile comparison Paul the Apostle would have to be an inherently evil creture from the depth of hell, which he was not. I'm sure you thought you were being very intelligent and profound with that analogy, but instead you have simply revealed yourself as the pea-brained troglodyte that you are
>>539358919There is zero possible way anyone gets the secret ending in wotr without cheating
Did the BG1 devs envision I would cast Grease and Web from the fog of war and cheese these dogshit low-level encounters?
>>539356543I agree with this as far as ruleset goes. But what I'd give for a 3.5 or PF1e game that wasn't Unity jank, just beautiful 2D sprites loading instantly on modern hardware.
>secret ending in wotr>meme lorebreaking owlkek fanficDon't care.
>>539359287NTA but you can but you'd have to stringently follow a guide to make sure you do it to the letter.>Bro, just randomly use a crossbow and make sure to hit a demon lord with it>Bro make sure to have like 7 of them>Bro make sure to do the final quest on this specific date, you might need to sit around and do nothing while your armies literally kill each other from boredom>Bro
>>539359607Using a guide is just having someone else cheat before you
I genuinely have not heard of any in game passages or even text that will allude as to how to get the secret ending. Everyone just seems to follow the guide made by the beta testers
>>539359321Seems like a very boring way to play>BUT ITS ALLOWWWWWWEDyep
I think it's a good thing that Arue was mindraped. All demons should me mindraped and fucked.
Arue should hold hands with me.
You know how I know Owlcat are fake Russians? They didn't pay homage to this meme in Rogue Trader:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBg9ZAqBifQMeanwhile, even Space marine 2 did.
>>539361069>Shart Marine 2Don't care.
>russian memesHow much longer until owlcat puts a Toтя meme in one of their games?
>>539359483Caring about the lore of whatever janky system or setting used in your game would be more cringe. Especially given that its Pathfinder, so what lore are you even talking about? The lore of Pozzfinder 2e? Who gives a fuck.
>DUDE what if we... bear with me here... OK still with me? what if we BAKED GODS like sweetcakes :DDHang all owltranimals.
>>539359483owltards can't into secret endings. They are always the most retarded shit that's not worth persuing. The only exception is rt's inquisition ending, but I don't think it's a "secret" per se
>>539361069Owlsharts only got into warhammer recently. It's painfully obvious most of the people working on it don't know shit about the setting
>>539313379Does the book imply the tiefling in the lower image has a celebrity crush on the famous ranger on the upper image?
>>539362047What is it with you settings-faggots, are you oblivious to the fact that your settings have been pozzed for a decade already. What does it even matter what Owlkek does at that point?
>>539358637>God just made Himself and His power known to Paul personally through a miracle.And how do you figure that isn't exactly what Desna did? We know for a fact that Arueshalae is still in possession of free will, since the player can guide her back towards evil.She isn't even the same alignment as Desna, she's Chaotic Neutral. If Desna was committed to dabbling with her nature, wouldn't she just make her good?>>539359246>For this to be any sort of worthwhile comparison Paul the Apostle would have to be an inherently evil cretureAll humans are inherently evil, from the taint of Adam's sin. As for Paul specifically, he calls himself "the worst of sinners" in 1. Tim. 1:15>from the depth of hellThis not so much, since in Christian mythology hell isn't the sort of place where things can originate from.If we can make another comparison, Satan was created ex nihilo, directly by God, with no intermediaries. Paul was born on Earth, to base human parents. That places Paul's origins much further away from God's light than those of demons.
>>539361203>The lore of Pozzfinder 2eYes, one where the word slavery is too problematic to mention out loud
What CRPGs are you anons playing now? Would you recommend it? What do you like/dislike about it? What's in the backlog?
>>539362516The tiefling is a porn addict. She ends up with the half-orc warlock. Their players are married and while the players themselves are generally extremely fun on screen, their characters' romance was extremely boring, safe and forced.
If a game is advertised as taking place in particular setting I expect it to be faithful to that setting regardless of how good/shitty it is. If you want to write fanfics, do so in a game with an original setting.
>>539362917Dude shut up no one cares. Just accept that you're wrong and stay quiet.
>>539362995I'm going to assume so, it sounds more fun than >>539362995.Maybe the drab cloak is intended to be subtle cosplay.
>>539363235Come on, there's no reason to get snippy just because you lost the argument.
>>539356289Oh yeah. Spellcasters are a lot of fun. Level 1 doesn't offer much, but once you get some XP it's great. >>539356543>AD&D is just straight up inferior to 3.0e and 3.5e>now it's just an archaic relicShit opinion.
>>539362995> The tiefling is a porn addict.> SheHot as fuck...
>>539358513No. Don't mod your game on your first play through. That's a ridiculous notion. The game is perfect the way it is.
>>539363639Her cock is bigger than yours...
More like the contents of your skull are shit, retarded child. AD&D is a forgotten relic of the past no one who actually cares about mechanical depth cares about. 3.0e and 3.5e expanded and improved on literally ALL the mechanics, both gameplay and character generation/advancement related, that exist in AD&D. You're just a retarded child who knows nothing of the genre trying to sound contrarian, but instead look like a fucking retard (which you are).
>>539313679The mental image of companions getting bossed around by, and then submitting sexually to, a 3ft manlet is always hilarious.
>>539363435kys aruefag
>>539359321Why would you even wonder that? Of course they did. How can zoomers be so mindraped they don't even know what true freedom is?
>>539356321[Leftist Tranny]
>>539333614>and they don't have the rights to update it anymore.Didn't they regain the rights. So the lack of patches isn't because of that. https://steamdb.info/app/640820/patchnotes/> The new agreement may come as welcome news to fans of the indie CRPG sensation who’ve been unable to see the loose threads of Pathfinder: Kingmaker tied off due to the old conflict over studio rights. While not explicitly promised by Knights Peak, the new agreement would seem to open the door to patches for the game that players have spent almost half a decade waiting on, but that remains to be seen.
>>539363819Stop being a little pussy, you deranged retard.
>no argumentsI accept your shitstained concession, retarded child who knows nothing of the genre.
>>539356289I'd say martials are more fun in BG1. Certainly more useful. If you plan to keep playing the same character all the way through the series, casters will eventually become unstoppable juggernauts of destruction, but at the start of BG 1 a wizard will have 4 hit points and the ability to cast one spell per day.You could try dual-classing. Start as a human fighter and switch to magic after a few levels. Even if you don't care about minmaxing, it'll make the early game more bearable and won't hurt your later caster level progression in any meaningful way.
AD&D? Is that some new made-up bullshit term you kids love so much? Listen, I don't care about your AD and D and asthma and autism. Back in my day, we used to play REAL rpgs and women were not allowed at the table.
>>539363294Also meant to reply to >>539362516
I wonder if cassias toes are webbed
>>539289510Sorry I only ever play barbarians (and never leave home without Amiri).
>>539356289Not really.They are support characters. You sleep things, you cast protection from petrification to farm xp, you cast invis to scout, you haste. You use the fireball wand from time to time to cheese some encounters.
>>539363294You don't need to assume anything, what I described is what actually happened. You can find so many other better things to headcanon about and you choose an image of the party from Critical Role Season 2? Come on dude.
>>539289510i never play that
Broken Roads has mixed reviews. Anyone try it?
>>539364641>Even if you don't care about minmaxing, it'll make the early game more bearable and won't hurt your later caster level progression in any meaningful way.How does that work, anyways? How can your wizard spells become available just as fast if you went full wizard as if you spent half the game as a fighter?
>>539289510>or rogueBro thought he was slick.
Is dragon disciple good in WOTR or should I stick to sorcerer?
>>539368093It is good in Kingmaker, but I don't think it is worth using in WOTR. Also, you use it with bard, not Sorcerer.
>>539369478I just hit level 6 as a sorcerer and unlocked the ability to prestige class into it which is why I asked
>>539369478Dragon disciple hasn’t been a bard thing since nwn man
>>539366621The level cap and the XP curve. Original Baldur's Gate 1 with no expansions caps you at 89,000 XP, which means a Mage can only get to level 7, at 60,000 XP. This also means that you have an extra 29,000 XP that's essentially wasted. That's enough to get 5 levels of Fighter or 6 of Thief.If you dual class at Fighter level 5, you'll always be 16,000 XP behind what you'd normally have, but in the long term this becomes meaningless. Getting from Mage 11 to Mage 12 in BG2 takes 375,000 XP. You're not going to notice missing a bit.The only hard part is immediately after you dual class. You lose all abilities from your first class, only retaining your hit points, and become level 1 in your new class. You won't get your original class back until you level your new class one level higher than your first class.
What's the golden spot of difficulty for WOTR? I went with core and increased number of enemies thinking it was going to make fights more interesting, but it just throws waves of obnoxious trash mobs instead (unless that's how it's supposed to be...)
>>539373005>(unless that's how it's supposed to be...)That's generally it. Somebody post the image. Most WOTR fights are just throwing a bunch of enemies at you. You're nearly always fighting at a 2:1 disadvantage with a full team.
I'm gonna imagine he's speaking Gaelic.
>>539363820>hilariousFoid brained.
>>539373005Hard if you are playing with strong archetypes, Core if you are playing with less viable ones.
>>539373397incomprehensible all the same
>>539373005Core for first casual palythrough. Hard for second casual playthrough. Unfair for build autism
How much of RT is left after you go through the portal chasing the inquisitor?
>>539374764A couple small planets, a couple space battles, and the final planet
With Carrie Patel gone what's going to happen to Pillars? Aside from Josh who's busy with his bicycle rpg all the Pillars veterans are gone.
>>539374764Few fights, mostly Necrons, then some unnecessary mirror match and then the final bout.
>>539373397Why did they pick Germany and China for the other games? Doesn't Russia, Korea, Hawaii have the cooler lore in Shadowrun?
>>539374945The pacing really feels off after act 3. You deal with the cult and the demon they have been hyping up like its nothing. Nobody even brings up you killing a greater daemon that the eldar were forced to seal. You would think that would be a big deal given the Space Wolves jobbed to one fucking Word Bearer.
>>539375248To be fair, and this is grasping straws, it was apparently "celebrated". Which is nonsense considering events like that were previously shown with purpose. Then again, you are immediately made to chase Calcazar.
>>539375449>it was apparently "celebrated"I guess you could consider the Space Wolves feast a celebration but you are the one hosting that. I got a planetary celebration for killing one Word Bearer and then I somehow manage to run through a platoon of them. Realistically speaking the Wolves should have had a stroke and asked how the fuck you just killed a greater daemon. That being said I've enjoyed RT quite a lot during my first playthrough despite there being a couple design decisions that give me aids. Hopefully the final act and ending won't retroactively ruin everything.
>>539375943The final act is quite good in my opinion.I agree about the way the chaos plotline was disposed of
>>539339873Apologies, been hitting my head on too many doors and ceiling fixtures so I'm just irrationally jealous of my better proportioned brethren right now.
>>539337637>Femoid KCYet another case of lesbian domestic violence
My friend who played RT not only refused to do the DLC content, but also refused to do the companion quests. Is this how the average normie plays rpgs!?!?
>since you're fighting with me I'd like to know more about you other than the whole queen thing >oh yeah that's been buried a bit by me being super old but i'll be sure to be good at fighting demons>well it's an honor to fight at your side (seems pretty neutral compared to the other dialogue option basically saying "i want you")>oh you say that but what i hear is that you want to go on a date with meDoes this crusade have an HR department?
>>539381981Yeah it's Anevia but until you start killing people, she's fine with other crimes.
That's right, my dollies. Now, kiss.
>>539382938Good choice
Alright bros. Any tips for Wrath of the Righteous. It's my first d20 game that isn't bg3. I am okay with tooltips and lots of dialogue. The dialogue. Is it true the cool spider girl is useless? I think she looks cool I love spiders. Or that apparently you can only get her OR another guy and the other guy is like a fan favorite?
>>539384592Oop, I forgot to finish what I was saying. The dialogue is half the reason I'm interested in this game it looks fun.
>>539307176That first line is important to Wenduag's character. Remember she was a medium sized fish in a small pond who thinks she's hot shit because she's more competent than her idiot contemporaries. So her bragging about surviving 7 stings is like a country girl saying>Of course I can kill a minotaur I butchered bulls all day back on the farm
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>>539386319This is getting sad now
>>539329481
>>539291252Which CRPG party has the best bants
>>539334169Planescape may or may not be good according to your taste but at least it's coherent.Rogue Trader (as an example) is a mish-mash of thematically unrelated plots, vying for supremacy.
Not bad for a meme spell.
>>539386757I just noticed you wrote Bloodlines instead of PlanescapeMaybe I should try reading posts before I reply them.
>>539375943>Hopefully the final act and ending won't retroactively ruin everything.All I can say is don't take the ending slides too seriouslySometimes they contradict each other a bit
>>539375186Berlin and Hong Kong are melting pot slop cities, ideal for the kind of stories the devs want to tell.
What is anons's opinion on Disco elysium? Last time i played it i got bored out of my mind after 10 mins for some reason but i heard great things about it so maybe it was just a me thing. Should i give it another try?
>>539384592No, she's fine. She's a level 1 fighter with good stats for any sort of ranged build you want to give her. People don't take her because she's an evil psycho.
>owlcat dialog
>>Shitsco PoolysiumDogshit visual novels have nothing to do with RPGs.
>>539384592If Sosiel asks you to pick up his dropped soap do not do it
Best CRPG for a 3 men coop group?
Bloodlines thaumaturgy is so shit
>>539384592Whendawg is a ranged dps machine just don't spec her into longbows because she'll overlap with another character that likes longbows. I used to turn her into a shortbow turret but in my latest playthrough I actually found that she's really good with dual throwing axes
This meme game needs an "autosend corpses to storage function", but instead of doing actually useful QoL stuff latriniggers spent their time adding shit like photo mode.
>>539387637Reading scares gamers. Rejoice their next game has full VA.
>>539387512Game beloved by tankie trannies.
>>539388767>local autist can’t stop ruining games for himself with exploits
>>539387512Disco Elysium made me feel like a psycho because the second someone said there's no combat and you can't kill anybody I lost all interest
Ulfar, stop whining
>collecting material spell components which is an essential part of tabletop wizard gameplay is """exploit"""Latriniggers have literal brain damage.
>>539389479Cheaters never prosper.
>>539389361Please stand by for the Thousand Sons companion in Dark Heresy who has the exact opposite opinion
>>539388557Strauss won't teach you rituals no matter how hard you boot lick him, so your stuck with basic blood attacks.
>>539389361That guy and his furry trans-human friends were such a lot of boring windbags. Carrying on with their verbose poetry battles and tedious squabbling.
I never understood why Ventrue can't use their powers of money to commission themselves an armory of magic goodies
>>539390118They do but it tends to be really small because tremereBVLLS hog most of the artifacts.
>>539390118They can. The magic clans just hoard it all.
Ventrue don't need meme magic when they can hire teams of human gunners that will kill other vampkeks just the same or better without breaking the masquerade.
Is chaotic evil just killing characters as soon as you meet them and failing about 25% of quests by default?
>>539390793What if i cast blood shield then drain?
>>539390793You will never be an oblivionchad
They will just shoot you harder or send more men. Human hunters make vampkeks shit and piss themselves.
>>539387512It's great but it's one of those games that has a super slow start with little direction and you need to take it with patience and not try to hurry it along. Rather than forcing yourself to play it for hours, just keep playing it in short intervals for as long as you feel like it until at some point you will just find yourself into it and playing for longer just because you want to know what comes next.
>>539391256The true faith schizos aren’t going to let you hire them bro
I just got my Slayer to level 6 and now he is hitting 4 times. He seems to inflict more damage than the rest of my party combined.
>>539391931Slayers do be slaying
>>539391931>Roll an adventurer called slayer>Surprised that you're slaying thingsDo you get surprised when you roll a wizard and cast a spell?
>>539390917I record you doing it then release it on the internet, congrats you have a horde of faggots after your glittering ass now
>>539393204>retard gets his entire city purged by SI because he’s too shit to kill one dude himself
>>539391256Hunterchads stay winning
>>539393302It is not enough that i win, everyone else must lose
>>539388673>Portrait clearly shows character wielding X >Made them use a different sort of weapon My autism doesn't let me do it
>>539393504oh god the 2014-16 trad larp pseudointellectual gimmick was so fucking tiring. Just reading that shit made me cringe
>>539393504>Secured dead branches>Nail dead branches down Wut?
Do you use wild shape with your Druid?
>>539394638My druid doesn't even have wild shape. I got a blizzard elemental
This is probably the first time i saw Cammie being sincere / sympathetic Was entirely expecting her to "lick lips" or some shit
>>539394728>falling for her shitShe just wants to see a murder
>>539394726Is it useful?
>>539394842early on, no. It sucks. Once you get to level 11 and it stops having friendly fire, you get an on demand -4 dex -2 attack aoe that you can't save out of plus damage if they fail the save
>>539394728Anon…
>>539394802>>539395623No. she was, like, relating to herself, being deep and all that stuff
>>539394638Wildshape is just bad. Even if you use mods that include the feats to make it good you’re still better off picking one of the subclasses that trade it for something else.
>>539394638Yes, I like to specialize Hiravias into his stelgaer form
>>539387512Brace yourself, but things don't actually have an objective 'good' or 'bad' quality. Some people like things that other people don't like.My opinion is it's a very good game that the CRPG genre has a lot to learn from. Specifically these points:1. "Failing" can be interesting/fun, not just lost content. Failing as lost content is just simply lazy, and is a lot more flexible with an actual irl GM.2. Near constant skill checks. What you invest in becomes meaningful, also see above for when you "fail", even at inconsequential things.3. Non-combat that feels like combat. Even in seemingly "low stakes", you can drive narrative tension.Those are the big ones. But if you were were "bored out of your mind after 10 mins" then I'd say just accept this and move on.
>>539397250If I like something it’s objectively good. If enough people shitpost about something on /v/ it’s objectively bad.
>>539384592play on Normal to start with. Understand AC vs Touch AC vs Flat-footed. Understand what's involved in a ranged touch attack, for instance.Hover the status to see what was involved in the result.Protection Against Evil/etc actually does stack, even though it's "deflection". Also prevents charm/domination effects, both of course only when coming from the alignment you chose to protect against.Flanking is good, teamwork: outflank is great.Hold shift (maybe ctl, I don't remember) in TB mode to get your free 5ft of movement, this is vital for casters to not proc an attack of opportunity when in melee range. Only fighters need Weapon Focus, some other classes maybe but it's just +1 to attack which doesn't scale at all in mid/late game. Ignore the green thumb unless you need it as a prerequisite for other feats.
>>539289109I hate sections where all your equipment is removed. Fuck you owlcat.
>>539398382I love it, though I haven't played RT which I assume you're talking about.Well more accurately, I played about half through and then finally the fatigue of 40k being shit overtook me.
>>539398382I feel like a fucking lunatic for really liking cumrag and the abyss
>>539397250This is false, and this mindset is a large contributor to mainstream media being low quality. You can in fact make value judgements and use logic to determine if something is low quality or high quality. Throwing your hands up and saying "taste is subjective" doesn't answer the question of whether something is bad, because something being good or bad quality (objective) is separate from whether something is liked or disliked (subjective). If you make something to be entertaining, then if it's boring, then it's objectively bad.If you make something to be creative and original, and it's actually hackneyed and trite, then it's objectively bad.If your story features no creativity, it's just a rehash of things that already exist and you don't even give it any flair to make it endearing despite being a rehash, then it's objectively bad.A person can like any of the things that this applies to, in which case you simply subjectively like something that is objectively bad. That's ok, and happens all the time. I enjoy a lot of objectively bad music and movies. I'm aware that it's rehashed nonsense with no creativity, thus bad art, but I enjoy it anyway, thus it has subjective appeal.This entire mindset that objectivity doesn't exist has harmed art, politics, debate, philosophy, morality, and even lawmaking so it has real world detriments. It's a post-modern phenomenon too, when people in general followed classical morality, people were better off. Now people reject classical morality on the grounds that "everything is subjective" and so we have a litany of societal problems related to people not judging each other and not trying to relate on an objective level.The rest of what you said about what can make a crpg good is true though. Most of those things are plusses in a game, and it's not an opinion to say so. You just have to break out of the post-modern mindset of downplaying things to be opinions and just say what's true or not true.
>>539364750I take it you were not allowed at the table.
>>539372214BG1, orig, no mods. Yes. Backlogs are for people who don't enjoy vidya.
>>539399717Boy, that's a lot of words to say, "I'm a fucking retard, don't listen to me."
>>539399179Same, I enjoyed having to put the gang back together and use basic weapons
>>539399179Idk who cumrag is (I just started act 3) but I feel weak and I'm mad as fuck. I want my fucking ship back
I don't like marzipan
kingmaker- game updated to nerf swarms, many non whites and low IQ upset they cant beat the final dungeonwotr- game astroturfed off romances, easy game with a few optional fights of meritrogue tranny- critical mass of casualization, game able to be beat with 1 characterrogue tranny asset flip- game shown to be beaten by chimps and one house cat in a study. degenerates find reading too difficult, discussion moved to a discord channel where they grunt
>>539390875evil characters put themselves and gain first, so do CE except they also distaste laws rather than merely just breaking them and have an every man for himself attitude
who else is high af right now?
>>539402540Who has ever actually called them tragic and misunderstood
>>539402540I do
>>539402540Marp is hideous and annoying.I don't understand how anyone likes him.
>>539399717>latch onto a tiny bit of what someone says>take it out of context>sperg out about it>end with "actually now that I just read what you really said, I agree"Please get diagnosed.
>>539402540>>539404824He's pretty boring too aside from his fag romance if you are into thatHe occasionally interjects but not as often as you'd expect.
>>539404414Yrliet does>please Elantach, don't blow up Cumrag. They may have strayed but they are still my kin.inb4 "she never says anything remotely that"She does in my headcanon which I made up specifically to get mad about.
Freed you from captivity? You owe me sex.
>>539402540I think he's fun
Tom Nook's big fat dick: the CRPG
>>539404929that's not what he said at all. he disagreed with the opinion vs fact part but agreed with what makes a good crpg. you are genuinely stupid if you can't follow both parts of the conversation
>>539340871As time goes on people forget the culture at the time, what it was like in a certain era. The weeb shit was 'in' at the time, it was considered cool, monk was recently introduced as a class, katanas were in, in a more general sense anime was slowly on the rise in the west too, though I'm not sure 'anime' is that directly connected.
>>539366502Yeah. Didn't care enough about it to finish the tutorial. Too much beating around the bush
>>539306601That happens literally every day in Bugland
>>539386319This is getting uplifting now
>>539401510commorragh, the dark eldar city
>>539382938He cute. Too bad you're gonna be miserable together no matter what you choose for him
>>539387512Best written game I've ever played. Good characters, good music, good setting. Good mechanical ideas that almost nobody is gonna use because the industry is littered by literal pea-brained retards
>>539402540He's a boring character for sure, but he has some funny banter with idira, yrliet and jimmy. Then again, why bother bringing him just for that if you can just read all banters online
>>539408945Apparently most of his content is locked behind his romance. After his first warp freakout I started locking him in his room during each warp jump. I anticipated more events, like him coping in different ways and you'd have to talk to him etc and teach him how to cope. But nothing happened.
>marz is boringwhat. who's fun to you people
>>539409626Idira
discussing poorly written owlslop about gay sex and cuckolding
>>539409046This is a lie. I did his romance. Not only was it underwhelming, it also has like 3 scenes - no more and no less than any other companion. Plus his romance does nothing to make him interesting. He's still just a murderhobo who wants to do murderhobo things. A typical drukek, which is not necessarily a bad thing; it's a good thing even if you're new to the setting and he does a good enough job showing what all drukeks are like. But being typical isn't what makes a character interesting or memorable. And that's his biggest crime - he is forgettable.
>>539393504This was fun to read but it got incoherent and I wasn't sure if he was talking about his group's characters or if he was going out with his group to the woods for real for some reason.He has a good point about family histories and being proud of where you come from though, all the rest of it aside.
How much longer until the solasta 2 EA comes out?
>>539409987>This is a lie.I'm not lying, faggot, I'm just repeating what I heardI kept him around for the first time ever this playthrough, and chose not to do his romance, and found there wasn't much to him
>>539409626Jae because she's fun and interesting.
>>539409626I liked Kibellah and Heinrix. The rest of the characters were just okay, except Idira and Jae which were awful and I wish a mod existed to mute their voice acting.Marz just doesn't fit, I might try a chaos playthrough to see if there's a way to make it work but he's just so random sadomasochistic chaos he feels like a parody character. Still less annoying than Idira and Jae though, which fit more but irritate actively.
>>539410273>JaeAwful
>>539410202>I'm not lying, faggotAnd I didn't say that you were lying. I said that the statement is a lie, and whoever peddled it to you lied to you (and most likely to themselves in an attempt to make marazhai seem like a deeper character than he is because god forbid you like a shallow character). Learn to read between the lines, not everyone is out to get you
>>539410318You hate brown women?>random sadomasochistic chaos he feels like a parody character.thats what the deldar are
stop spamming about rogue tranny go back to your discord and plot more assassinations
>wanting to mute idiras sexy cum slut voice
>>539409626Fun? Pasqal. Interesting? Pasqal again, Jimmy and Cassia. Good characters? I would say that all characters except Yrliet and Kibellah are good.
>>539410468Don't tell me what to do
>>539410448>thats what the deldar areYeah, I know, and that's why a deldar character doesn't fit on the ship filled with imperial officers and tech priests (and a sister of battle and a space marine, etc)>brown womenNothing wrong with that, but characters have to be written and voice acted less obnoxiously if owlcat wants me to like them.
>wow sosiel, i sure was worried about you getting captured by evil gargoyles that torture people, it's a good thing you're ok>sorry but i'm gayWhy is this a romance trigger
>>539410869Only a gay would ask Sosiel if he's okay
>>539410857Pissing and crying because the rogue trader game has xenos in it
>Oh...Sosiel-sama...I was so worried about, I... I don't know what I'd do if I lost you and your beautiful eyes and chiseled abs...niggas read dialogs like this and think they ain't gay for readin them smfh
>how may i SERVE the dynasty ;D
>>539410468/crpg/ Computer Roleplaying Games General
Want to see a magic trick
>>539411214>Illiterate or ESL doesn't realise I thought Yrliet fit tolerably
Yrliet and Jae are the worst companions
Every companion has to appeal to me specifically and fit in every party.
Jimmy is the worst companion because he contradicts me
Owlcat surveys show Jae as the most attractive romance after Cassia once they corrected the character visibility problem (players weren't able to find her during early releases)
>>539410869Sosiel "No way fag" women would never stop being funny to me
>>539412969>once they corrected the character visibility problem (players weren't able to find her during early releases)I guess originally she was just hanging out in the bar, so they tacked on the unavoidable scene with Egghead so you can't miss her.
>>539412969What surveys?
>>539394638Occassionally my arcane casters use dragonform to style on enemies but it is kind of shit
>>539409626Catfights are fun.>Aerie, Jaheira, and Viconia>Annah and Fall-from-GraceSerious people in absurd situations are fun.>Abelard, Pasqal, Heinrix, CassiaLawful evil characters in general are fun.>Regil>Kanerah>EdwinAnd of course, waifus are fun.
>pick Instinctual warrior>be both strong in melee and also wise enough to nootice things and debate people I mean strictly speaking you do miss out on casting but it's still neat
Nerds arguing in the past>This character is more interest/powerful/cool than that one, he would never do x when yNerds arguing today>This character should never have been written into this piece of media in the first place and ruins the entire experienceWhat caused this shift?
>>539412969I can believe that but only before owlcat released their dlcs. The vast majority of their playerbase is straight guys so it makes sense the top two would be the fish woman and human woman. That being said Jae probably fell off a cliff once Kibbles came out and there was actual competition. Its funny how le pure wholesome waifu archetype which all the fags here complain about was the most popular one.
>>539416401>What caused this shift?The need to make your options as outrageous and hype as possible Same reason why 7/10 is considered absolutely vile trash and 9/10 is mid kinda ok could be better
>>539416401The internet rewiring zoomers brains to entirely subsist on engagement bait
>>539373005Ignore these >>539373764>>539374375 unless you like playing turn-based and don't mind the entire game taking 300-400 hours to finish. On RTWP I'd say Normal is fine (personally I do Core but then tune enemy difficulty to moderately weaker, and keep extra enemies because it makes combat more fun to have hordes to kill).
>>539416401>What caused this shift?A turn to writers/creators instead of the fan thing itself. Instead of focusing on "Batman did stuff in the show" they now focus on "This showrunner wrote Batman wrong". Might be social media related.
>>539393504>Personally, I'm descended from a gloriously mixed bag of dirt-poor peasant farmers, baroque court musicians, horse-thieves scalped by Indians, a frontiere sheriff who kept order with a silver-handled walking stick, French resistance lunatics, millionaires. hobos, novelists, travelers, scientists and engineersHe actually manages to sound more delusional than the wizard and fey larpers he is deriding.
>>539417658I don't think its "zoomers." Do you really think this thread is chock full of anything but 35+ year old neckbeards? RPGCodex?
>>539418205I'm only 30 years old...
>>539418205A lot of this thread hasn't even played baldur's gate
>>539418205Some of us don't want to admit it but our brains have also been fucked at this point. It just took longer since our first 10-15 years were just playing single player games and maybe posting on regular forums.
>>539418576I'm 38 and never played the first game, started with BG2 as a teenager. Guess that makes me a honorary zoomer.
>>539418578The oldest zoomers are also like 28
>>539418658It's never too late to rectify that mistake
>>539387985Anyone?
>>539419154Jesus, why do you have to remind me. Another 10 years and the distinction won't even matter and we'll all be fucking dinosaurs.
>>539419641For The King
>>539387985Are there even any except Larian games? For what its worth those are pretty good for coop though.
>>539419641How does your group normally play together? Like do you stop and read text and get into character? I've never played one of these crpgs in co-op and I can't imagine doing it with anyone who isn't as autistic about RP as I am.You can play Rogue Trader in co-op supposedly, maybe give that a go.
>>539387985Morrowind multiplayer
>>539419745we did the divinity games and BG3, we were thinking about BG2 but I figure I'd ask for opinions here>>539419816We're mostly in it for the gameplay but we do stop to read dialogue at least in the first playthroughs we do
>>539420121Icewind Dale will let everyone roll a party up, 3 of you would be two characters each, if you have some familiarity or taste for 2e that can be a fun experience.
>>539420121>3 grown ass men watching softcore porn togetherEh i dunno chef
The only weg that blows owlslop out of the water in terms of cuckshit.
>>539422326the druid spread his seed all over shadowcute
I was watching this documentary about a WoW player who died and other players paid their respects with an in-game funeral and some even flew to his country to attend the real life funeral and it made me sad that I could never experience that the social aspect of rpgs is sorely missing
>>539421948There's no way that's real. Why does she look like she's pegging you?
>looks jacked>has only 10 STRThe typical bodybuilder physique.
>>539411526Sure
>>539422532I think it was thishttps://youtu.be/MEpv7YxnLCQ?t=109
>>539422532thats what discord is for, seriously thats why mmos are dead, theres no social aspect anymore so gameplay has to carrying, but mmo gameplay hasnt really evolved in a good way for the past 10 years
>>539425000Just watch out for the discord trannies
>>539425000Back in my MMO days we still had a long chain of discord equivalents. Being able to press a button and instantly get anything done without speaking to other people is what did it.
>>539426201all those things were p2p and you didnt need discord, you would shout in world chat in a server and talk to randos
>>539426201I get wat anon was saying though. People didn't just hang out on teamspeak all day.
>>539426684Barrens chat was the place
Beat RT, it was pretty fun. Ending slides were a bit all over the place but at least they bothered properly filling them out instead of what happened in WOTR. Becoming an Inquisitor was nice even if Heinrix is gonna be a dick about being the new leader.
Aerie is too dumb to learn new spells
>>539430815Sounds like you got the best ending
>>539420121>jumping to BG2Why the fuck would you do this? Why the fuck do so many people think this is something to do?BG1 -> BG2 is one story, split in half. Can you jump into BG2 and basically get what's going on? Sure, but why would you? If you like BG2 you'll probably like BG1, but now you've cucked yourself out of half the experience of going from 0 to god.It's not even like BG2 is astronomically 'better' either, they play almost the same.
>>539431180Yeah I just went full Dogmatic, the only annoying thing was that Nightmare came back with his Aeldari army. I hate when you kill a NPC and then they escape in a cutscene. I'm still deciding on what to play next and whether to try out Iconoclast.
I still have memories of seeing preview article of BG1 in some German mag as a teen. If you don't have such memories, you're not even in the same dimension as me in terms of genre knowledge and mastery.
>>539431213Its very difficult for me to justify playing a mechanically inferior game. Especially when even BG2 feels super dated compared to 3.5/PF1e. If there was a promise of an amazing story or if it was known that BG2 was a regression in terms of other features, maybe an argument could be made but that is obviously not the case. Starting with BG2 is the sensible recommendation.
Its so retarded, like would you recommend someone to start with TES Arena instead of Morrowind or Oblivion or Skyrim? Obviously not, and the only people who would disagree are absolute giga autists (like literal Chris Chan tier).
>>539431870EE is a thing now and BGT has been around for fucking ages.
TES games don't follow the same protag. You should definitely start with BG1: not only will you understand the story better, you will be more emotionally invested into your party member characters. Like, the first time you see Imoen and Minsc in BG2 as a newb your reaction will be: "Who are these people!?"
>>539431553Iconoclast is a bit different and you get different ending slides. eg the Eldar army will leave your planets alone if you've making friends with everyone all along. You can still side with Calcazar which is the smart move but I don't think you can join the inquisitionIf it was me I'd let RT rest until there's more DLC. I've just finished a playthrough and I'm starting Necromancer next.
>>539432021It's more like telling someone to start WotR in act 4.
>>539432183They hardly have personalities in BG1. Not even Jaheira and Khalid. They get more intro in the first few minutes of Irenicus' dungeon than they do in the whole of BG1.
It's not just about their personalities, it's also about getting attached to them. A whole different experience.
>>539432257>I'd let RT restI think I have enough energy for at least one or two more runs. I'm mainly interested in trying out a different class. I went with a pure pyro for my last run and now I'm deciding between an arbiter or run and gun with a heavy weapon
>>539432261Yeah imagine trying to play BG2 without knowing about Sarevok and the Iron CrisisYou'd be totally in the dark
>>539432261this>>539432406this too
>>539431213It's just something that happens bro don't take it so seriously
>>539431213friend said we should do that next he said he played that years ago
>>539432558I had a lot of fun with an officer and an eagle pet. That bird did a lot of damage after I leveled it up a bit.
The takeaway for new players is that starting with BG2 is not the 'consensus' that some would want you to think it is, for whatever bizarre reasons. Many here and elsewhere share the opinion that doing the full game BG1 -> BG2 is the proper and better experience.
$0Y: it's also about getting attached to them. A whole different experience. $0Y: half the experience of going from 0 to god$0Y: you will be more emotionally invested into your party member characters.manchildren crying at the end of mario 27. takes 5 seconds of playing bg2 to pick up the 'plot.' keep your maudlin mewling to yourself next time
>>539432854BG1 feels like a chore. It'll put off a lot of players with its trash encounters and thin story.
>hop on r/tranny>The takeaway for new troons is that not being a women is not the 'consensus' that some would want you to think it is, for whatever bizarre reasons.>Many here and elsewhere share the opinion that doing HRT is sane
Good posts
>>539432854If anything 10 hours of >Heya! It's me, Imoen!will make a new player completely uninterested in the main quest of BG2.
>nobody is taking the bait>time to start talking about transfolks
>>539433723that's transfolx to you chud
>>539433184>thin storyYour mentor and protector dying while removing you from the only home you've ever known, and his death is seemingly is about you, alone in the wilderness until you meet companions. Explore a seemingly unrelated regional issue, dig deeper, see that it's a conspiracy, eventually figure out how it's related to you and top political players in the seat of power...vs"MEAN WIZARD STEAL UR ESSENCE THAN U GET FRE BUT HE STEAL UR SISTER NOW U GOT 2 GET HER BACK AND KILL BAD WIZARD"
>having an actual meltdown because people tell you it's better to start with the first thing in a trilogy
>>539434298C'mon, he's being retarded but that's unfair
>trilogyit's not a trilogy. The story is BG1 -> BG2. And then 20 years later some grifter says "But wait actually here's the third part"
Actually I recommend skipping BG2 altogether. It's almost completely linear with a barebones story.
>>539434523ToB anon
>>539434523Yet another schizo pretending he even played a game itt lmao
>>539434561I consider it "part of" BG2. Getting people thinking it's on the level of BG1 or BG2 is setting up for disappointment.BG1+TotSC -> BG2+ToB if you like.
>>539434298>"MEAN WIZARD STEAL UR ESSENCE THAN U GET FRE BUT HE STEAL UR SISTER NOW U GOT 2 GET HER BACK AND KILL BAD WIZARD"I don't see the problem. Sounds fucking based as all hell. Only way BG2 could be better is if they let you outright romance Imoen.
>>539434603>>539434561Not that anon but BG3 really has basically nothing to do with the previous games. That shouldn't even be up for debate in this thread.
good game is defined by good gameplaynot how many owlsloppers talk about the romance on a forum for mentally disabled gamers
>>539434298Thanks for spoiling the entire first game I wanted to pick it up now it's ruined
Who should I side wit here?
>>539435062Who's arguing otherwise here?
>>539434414Aside from the ungenerous tone trying to make it sound more retarded, that's... kind of it, really.Imoen stolen/mean wizard gets away.Raise money in and around AthkatlaBrynnlaw -> Spellhold -> (Maybe underwater) -> Underdark -> Back topside to kill the wizardGreat game, but the story's a bit on rails, really.
>>539434650Your opinion is irrelevant. It's been called a trilogy for longer than you've been alive.
>>539434949>Only way BG2 could be better is if they let you outright romance Imoen.The relevant mod fixes this It's actually pretty good now, greatly improved from the old mod
>>539435278He just won't stop with the spoilers Why not spoil ToB and make it a trilogy
>greatly improved from the old mod>no more comfy campfire rape sceneIt's shit.
>>539434650TotSC Is irrelevant to the plot at large. It's a great dungeon and a decent island to level up. ToB is a direct continuation, and ending of the bhaalspawn bullshitery.
>>539435062It's amazing how many people will talk about sequels destroying the legacy of games they haven't touched.
Don't care if gay niggas skip it.I like bg1 so its good, simple as.
>>539435231I'm assuming this is your first time playing if you're asking that. Why the fuck are you cheating?
>>539435817I played BG2 though.
>>539435785ToB is also pretty shit honestly, I'm doing it a favor by lumping it in with BG2.
how can I stop doing pic related? I have so many restarts in WOTR in particular its unreal
>>539435278You're confusing story with plot and/or narrative. It's like describing the trilogy of LotR as "Frodo goes from point A to B to Z and drops the ring into the lava," which would obviously miss the point and skip over the emotional moments of the journey that give it meaning.
>>539436151recognize that you're cucking yourself out of a good experience and need to actively reign in your autism.nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to repeatedly start over. The solution is to just stop doing that. If you lack even that drop of self-discipline, then you have much bigger concerns than ruining a game for yourself.
>>539436151It's because you fear the commitment that completing the game would bring. Rather than move on, you recycle eternally back to the beginning.
>>539436151It took me three tries to finish wotr>abandoned aeon monk after winter sun>abandoned trickster magus during act 4>Finally beat the game with a necromancer wizard
Why don't more CRPG have relatable and socially relevant characters?
>>539436254Yeah, but also you can just jump into The Two Towers and pretty much pick up what's going on, right?
>>539436151Play a game that doesn't have a final dogshit final act so you have an incentive to finish it.
It's also good to learn how to play the fucking game by starting at level 1
>>539436386Because writing those would be hard for a regular writer. Much less a vidya gaym one.
>>539436419BG1 and BG2 are only loosely connected so the analogy with an actual trilogy doesn't work.
'533/10 got me to reply
Anyone played Divinity Original Sin? Was it worth your time?
>>539436719It's okay. Dragon Commander is still my favorite Larian gane
>>539436419No, because Fellowship of the Ring is rich with meaning and character development, quite unlike BG1Absolutely nothing of the plot of BG1 is relevant in BG2, aside from you being a bhaalspawn>Explore a seemingly unrelated regional issue, dig deeper, see that it's a conspiracy, eventually figure out how it's related to you and top political players in the seat of power...This is irrelevant to BG2.
>>5394367192 yes. 1 has always felt like a tech demo for 2 to me
>>539436810>Absolutely nothing of the plot of BG1 is relevant in BG2What about meeting your future Jaheira wife?
Ahh, I see. So the series took an irrelevant shift when it introduced the "mad wizard theme park" game.
In wotr, is there any way to recruit wenduag after lann and not have to kill her later? I never got any events with her after Lann kicked her ass
>>539436779>Absolutely nothing in The Hobbet is relevant in LotRretard takeBG1 is you realizing the source of the regional issues and how it's directly related to bhaal and indirectly related to realizing you're bhaalspawn. This whole arc made up of other little arcs, stories, characters, places, and so on, serve as the fundamental "first book" of the two part series BG1+TotSC and BG2+ToB.
>>539436993If you take the evil choice to tell her to fuck off because she's not worthy in act 3 she'll show up again in act 5 and join you for real. She's basically a merc with banter though.
It's insane to tell someone to not even try BG1. Play the first fucking game and see if you like it. If you really hate it skip to BG2. I'm extremely doubtful that someone who can't enjoy BG1 is even capable of making it through SoA and ToB though. If you only want a modern rpg level of companion interaction and story SoA isn't going to make the cut either.
The only owslop discussion I wish to see are debates on how soft Nenio's fluffy butt is.
>>539437670>I'm extremely doubtful that someone who can't enjoy BG1 is even capable of making it through SoA and ToB thoughThis is the main point. I don't know if maybe people imagine that they're extremely different or something. BG1 was 1998, BG2 was 2000. It's literally the same engine. If you don't like BG1, you're not going to like BG2. And the contrapositive, if you like BG2, you will probably like BG1.
>>539422606>Why does she look like she's pegging you?Because as her "surprise" for her date she fingers your asshole.
>Because as her "surprise" for her date she fingers your asshole.Peak Latrine writing.
I don't think I like Nenio or Ember very muchGreybor and Seelah are also just kind of there
>>539438038You can stuff your contrapositive where the sun doesn't shine, bub
>>539438536karlach will pull it out anyway
Guys who is this Boromir guy who died and why is it a sad scene I skipped the first movie
>I don't think I like NenioYou need very high IQ to like Nenio.
Aragorn = Fighter (not Ranger) with a swordBoromir = Fighter with a swordLegolas = Fighter with a bowGimli = Fighter with an axeGandalf = DMPC
>surprise buttsexIsn't that just rape?
>>539439073Fighterfags need to accept that Aragorn is a ranger and will always be one
>>539439120Do you ask for consent every time you kiss your girlfriend? This is why you're a virgin.
>>539439240There is a difference between kissing someone and fucking their asshole.
>>539439219Oh he's a Ranger? Then where are his Ranger abilities? Where is his Ranger pet?
>>539437913>Daeran admits her tail is the sexiest part Gotta love that guy
>>539439416>Where is his Ranger petFrodo
>>539439416>Where is his Ranger petmerry and pippin
>>539439404yesgirls will allow the latter with more people than the former
>>539435231>Already cheating on your first playthrough But why?
>>539435425Didn't they remove both slapping Imoen and snuggle struggle scenes?
Wow my romance options in wrath of the righteous are>Psycho bitch>Psycho bitch>Ex whore who has sucked a million dicks>Grandma (psycho bitch)Nice game
The next larian game will also have surprise buttsex
>>539436151Just force yourself not think too much of your next playthrough and force through.I blame the genre for not leaving enough cool shit for the later levels.In wotr casters reach max level spells way too early and martials usually finish their builds in the 12 to 16 lvl range
>>539436151Its simple, don't want to see how the ending plays out and the outcomes of your decisions? Zerging through the last couple hours of the game is worth it to see the future created by your vision. Too bad this method stops working once you've played so much that you already know every single mythic and ending off by heart.
Multiclassing should be forbidden.
Every level you should have a random class assigned to you
>>539438528Nenio in particular is out of place. Anons here explained how there's some country nearby full or furfaggotry though so I guess if we accept Pathfinder's world as a setting the trash has to come with the kitchen sink.I found Ember okay, kindof weird but eh.Seelah feels jarringly out of place and while I know everyone jumps on the "she's black" part its not quite that, its how she's written. Not as annoying as Nenio.Greybor showed up too late in the game for me to care about the character one way or another.
>>539441191I think it should be locked behind a training mechanic kind of like a prestige class you need to search for a master/ forbidden knowledge or power to obtain. It also adds a neat lore element at the same time.
>>539440038romancefags deserve this for being whiny babies
Did you know that Dragon Age Origins allows you to unlock classes during your playthrough and that you can even use them during your next playthroughs?
>>539440038The only good straight romance is Daeran with female KC. Not sure it counts as straight even then, Daeran probably sucked as many dicks as Arue.
>>539438528>>539441347>hating on GreyborNot very professional of you.
>>539439073>Aragorn = Fighter (not Ranger) with a swordmore specifically, a human male fighter.
>>539441347I find Seelah is best when she's together with Ember (she literally becomes her big sister) and Arue (she's way nicer to Arue than basically any other character).
I still think the Cavalier iconic would have been a much better fit for WotR than Seelah. Seelah's relevance hinges on her class and nothing else, and even then the stuff that would play off that are just sidelined (ie talking about her detect evil but then being duped by literally everyone)If they needed to force a party paladin, Galfrey and the orc are right there, and the AP even outlines points where they would join up.
>>539435921I also had to install toybox on my first playthrough because using the respec option is completely bugged and breaks your build
>>539441693Gaybor is one of the worst
>>539441936every owlkek game has the mandatory token nigger
>>539442325There is a black party member in Kingmaker but he doesn't really say much.
>>539442325They purposefully give those characters thickly stereotypical voice acting too, like its not just a token character, its a marketing character meant to stir up racist backlash for social media attention.
>>539438528I would have loved Ember if everyone else treated her like shit, but the game goes out of its way to let you know nothing bad ever happens to her, like Daeran repeatedly breaking character going 'aww, she's such a hecking cute chonker!'She's a dirty homeless lunatic witch. Regular people should react to her with fear and/or disgust.
>>539442325While I suppose that's technically correct, Sosiel already existed. Them going out of his way to make the brother a companion too is weird.
>>539442574Not Ekun tho
>>539442574Take your meds
I kind of enjoy her but really Ember is simply too retarded, and there's no recourse to fix her except making her a literal god so she can understand how retarded she is.
>>539441494Yes, I did
>>539441936alain was basedconstantly chafing under command or doing bullshit purely to gloryhound would have been cool to explore
>>539440038Hello :) Yes, he's sucked a billion cocks too, but he's not a psycho bitch cannibal like 75% holes
>>539442574Sure buddy
>>539442698It makes no sense in terms of a game or as a narrative. Its the same as Greybor, introducing a companion that late in the story is just completely wasted because almost no one is going to use them. Both because they're pigeonholed into a particular, usually worthless build, and because your party is already long established at that point.
The feminine urge to insert the gay elf in discussions where he's not relevant
>>539435231How's that any of your problem? Just stay out of it Hulrun is infinitely more useful than Trannien
why is the raven protecting ember? she would realistically have been killed several times over but the raven is said to keep saving her. why does whatever deity or outsider who sent the raven care about some atheist elf so much to constantly be saving her?
>>539431553>Nightmare came back with his Aeldari army>makes a fool of himself>brings in more leldar for the slaughterWhere's the downside?
>>539443283It’s just a little bonus thing for if you get his companion quest right Not everything needs to be some hyper efficient optimized reward that appeals to everyone and is le meta
Imoen? Sex!
the bestest romance
>>539443505>why is the raven protecting ember? She is a witch she is in a pact with some edlrich entity
>>539443505>She treats her flock as any grandmother would, protecting the innocent, reprimanding the wayward, and punishing the sinfulit is grandma looking out for her poor retarded idealist
>>539443505you can ask Ember about it
>>539443505Imagine if owlcat fans in this thread ever actually read a single line of dialogue
imoen? rape
>>539430815>spoilerCongrats on getting the most satisfying ending that makes the game make sense. It's all downhill from there>tfw persuaded Heinrix to leave the inquisition through no fault of my own, and then became an inquisitor myself
>>539443839They only read the romance dialogue
>Shart laying back, exhausted from Halsin's pounding>Daddy Halsin sitting back with his pipe, supervising your clean-up>"mmmnfurfnfmmm nurmomnurghh good mmm arrmgfrnmm mmm goodberry good">"Slow down, Tav! You'll make yourself sick!>"There will be plenty more Goodberry Pie for you later :)"
>>539443686This but the KC is male
>>539443102This nigga got alien AIDS
>>539444159Always makes me smile
>>539444371It's ok, I'm using mythic condoms
>>539443513There were heavy casualties on both sides. Sure the Imperium can easily make them up cause we have actual birth rates but I'd rather have killed the conniving bastard. >>539443962Thanks. I was suprised to learn people consider it a secret ending. I just RP'd as myself and it all worked out somehow. I'd say the main failing were how rushed act 4 and 5 were. I would have saved all necron stuff for its own dlc segment and had act 4 and 5 fully dedicated to the cult with the greater daemon being summoned as the final boss. As it stands its all just too rushed and disappointing final confrontation wise. In spite of what my friends said I'd say this is probably Owlcat's best game but then again I waited two years for the game to be stable and add content.
>>539443102>Not psychoLet's be reasonable now
>>539444858>I'd say the main failing were how rushed act 4 and 5 were.If you don't go for the Inquisition ending Calcazar doesn't invite you to join him and you have to torture the valet to get the coordinates. The game also gives you no reason to follow him except for the imbecilic "BUT THOU MUST!" It's really retarded, rushed and poorly thought out. It might possibly the worst transition from midgame to endgame in any game I've ever played
>>539444250"don't talk to me or my son ever again" energy
>>539444858>I'd say this is probably Owlcat's best gameI would agree if the game wasn't rushed and could live up to its potential
>>539444571They're proven ineffective
>>539445505It's ok if it's a demon
Spells per day just don't make sense for a video game. Rogue Trader got it right
>>539445634blame them for wanting to release during holiday time
>>539444858>I just RP’d as myself>dogmasomewhat concerning
>>539445508>picrelWow, owlcat writing is so good, just, wow, i am literally at a loss for words it's so good. Fitzgerald of crpgs, Bulgakov of vidya
>>539445915it's bad game design
>>539445925>>I just RP’d as myself>>dogmaL O N D O NONDON
Dungeon siege has proven a dnd like magic system works the best with mana bars.
>>539444858Owlcat can't help themselves, they have to ruin the last stretch of their games no matter what
>>539443520In any story, you don't want to start introducing or establishing characters too late. It just doesn't work. Even more so in the case of an interactive story.
>>539446174truly a shame
I RP'd as myself on my first and canonical WOTR run. Angel, romanced Arue with no issues.
>>539446684>Has the most boring white bread taste possible>Act all smug about it for some reasonOkay i guess
>>539446684so unique
>>539446684yes, people obsessed with trad typically end up with retired whores
I’m chaotic good irl
the only 3 crpgs that matterPoEWotRBG3if you played these you can participate in 90% of the crpg discussions
>>539446924the used goods conundrum
CRPG with best magic systems that don't require you to rest every other fight to regain spells?
>>539447406I don’t play any crpgs. I read this thread and pick up context clues so I can shitpost. I am the average poster.
>>539447406Why aren't you complaining about RT
>>539447521What's your opinion onPoEWotRBG3
>>539445915Vancian casters sucks dick, for me something like arcanist work like a charm.They still hunt for spell scrolls, you can change your spell loadout at the start/end of the game without commiting for a few levels everytime you chose a spell at level up and on top of that you can use metamagic to make your spell slots even more flexible
>>539446830Why is it white bread to want to be on the side of good and kick the shit out of some demons (whilst also redeeming one with my penis)? Given media trends the past few decades, isn't it more white bread to go for "muh edge" or "muh grey zone".
>>539447714before i actually understood what was going on, my impression was the vancian limits being for really meaty spells, ie resurrection or interplanar shift, not tossing magic missile5e cantrips helped somewhat but it still sucks
If you want to play a vatican caster just play a cleric you fucking retard
>>539448113this joke was unfunny back in 2005
>>539448356>2005zoomer
Vatican handholding: You can hold hands as many times per day as you want but only if it's with little boys
How the fuck is azata the most popular choice?
>>539448598Angel is boring
>>539448598trannies fancy themselves freedom fighters
>>539448598Based friendship beats generic!!!
>>539448598path on twitter*check the steam achievements instead
>>539448598Because it's fucking fun, you loser
>>539448598>the power of friendshipit makes sense since a theme of the mythic is recruiting misfit rejects and children under the auspices of the greater good. really gasses the redditors up
Azata has 4 cutesunes. That's 2 more than any other path. No wonder it won.
>>539448874This is a YouTube poll you schizo
>>539447406begone to your containment general foul knave
>>539448950I still don't get it, there's no friendship on the Azata path. Except maybe Aivu. On Angel your friends are fucking Inheribro, mythical angels (Lariel and Targona), a mythical hero (Yaniel), all heavily established characters in the lore and on every other path. On top of that Berenguer, who is just a badass. Its a much better "power of friendship" story than Azata.
>>539449507>>539449507>>539449507
>>539447819edgy shit used to be white bread but nowadays it's all aobut trad born again christianity. i think the latter is more obnoxiousprobably why I'm enjoying WOTR so much, most of the companions are unapologetic psychopaths
Thoughts on Caves of Qud?
>>539447984Scaling 5e canaries are retarded doesn't, because they outgrow low level spells in power since those don't scale. As always, pillars had it right: spells of every level scale with your stats so no spell is ever obsolete.
>>539448598>>539449478Gold Dragon is too underbaked and LGfags are literal cryptofash golemsAzata is the only real choice for a Good-aligned mythic
>>5394496177/10
>>539448598How about actual numbers instead>Path of the Angel - 27.2%>Path of the Azata - 23.8%>Path of the Trickster - 16.6%>Path of the Lich - 16.1%>Path of the Demon 15.9%>Path of the Aeon - 14.1%>Path of the Dragon - 9.03% >Path o the Legend - 6.38%>Path of the Swarm - 3.82%>Path of the Devil - 3.08%
Move, fags >>539449817>>539449817>>539449817>>539449817
