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2.20 Patch Notes (Wilnas' release)
https://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/news/detail/?id=7k5v0136p_iq

>/gbvsg/ Tournament VODs
https://pastebin.com/y5xV4pqN
https://www.youtube.com/@grumblebumble69/
Next tournament is likely by the end of September.
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>(Un)official /gbvsg/ PC lobby
To join, turn Crossplay off in System settings so that you're able to join Platform lobbies.
Then you can join the (un)Official /gbvsg/ PC lobby at Japan Platform Lobby 1. Image version of joining instructions @ https://i.imgur.com/bCHqtDL.png
Playstation players cannot join the lobby, use a room if needed instead.
>(un)Official /gbvsg/ Rooms
Usually has "gbvsg" as password (check thread). f2players cannot join so ask people to join the lobby instead.

>Gawdlike character guides (secret techniques!) for Yuel, Vikala, Narmaya, Galleon and Wilnas, by yours truly Anon!
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjG9OYMNRivtA_KWepE_aFmhGOJc2zETR&si=MqZagR-IO8ue8gxQ
>This week's F2P rotation
Gran, Cagliostro, Soriz, Beatrix
>Steam page
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2157560/Granblue_Fantasy_Versus_Rising/
>Website
https://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/
>Resources:
https://www.dustloop.com/w/GBVSR
>Twitter hashtags
https://twitter.com/YamicornDMV/status/1709222479061745711
>Match replays
https://replaytheater.app/?game=gbvs
>Graphic Enhancements for PC
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3117157142
>Enable sound while the game runs in the background
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2157560/discussions/0/4041481833167877002/
>Remove Figure Mode censorship/black void
https://gamebanana.com/mods/484409

Previous schizo containment room: >>539404534
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Meet your season 3 cast.
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>>539539795
What in fresh hell is this Vyrn
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>>539539795
I'll take it.
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>nerf the current top tiers
>buff seox
>gigabuff rat
>gigabuff onion
>gigabuff cag
>it's just the same episode but with a different cast
surely they wouldn't do that right, haha
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>>539539518
What happenwd to Wubbly? Is he sick?
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>>539539302
Aside from Lowain, he's on the right track. Thankfully, Lowain has had a plenty of top cut results under his belt to catch the attention of Cygames. He's probably going to be nerfed next patch.

For buffs, let's look at the full roster:
>How else are they going to sell that skin?
Charlotta
>Likely
Anila
Galleon
Lucilius
Vikala
Yuel
Zooey
>Doesn't need buffs, but might get them anyway
Anre
Belial
Gran
Sandalphon
Siegfried
Seox
Zeta
>PLEASE GOD NO
Beatrix
Cagliostro
Katalina
Lowain
Narmaya
Versusia
>Recently nerfed last patch
Avatar Belial
Ferry
Grimnir
Metera ("""nerfed""")
Percival ("""nerfed""")
>Recently buffed 1-2 patches ago or too new to change
2B
Beelzebub
Djeeta
Djeeta EX
Eustace
Gran EX
Ladiva
Lancelot
Narmaya EX
Nier
Soriz
Vane
Vaseraga
Vira
Wilnas

While it wouldn't be unheard of for the last group to be buffed (or nerfed for those added or buffed too much in 1.2) so soon, we can't entirely rule out the weaker characters that were buffed in 1.1 like Nier and Vane. My answer is unironically Belial. While it's true that everyone agrees that he's still a strong character even after the 2.0 nerfs, he hasn't really done anything since. Remember, Cygames loves to buff characters that don't need help, and Belial's their baby. Should he be buffed? Absolutely not. However, WILL he be buffed? It's entirely possible, so don't be surprised if you see him in the patch notes.
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>>539540216
>>How else are they going to sell that skin?
>Charlotta
Zooey didnt get buffed when they released her skin
>Anila
>Galleon
>Vikala
Not happening at this point.
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Is he right?
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>>539539395
Your main besides 2B?
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>>539540658
2B
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>>539540553
yes, tardproof character that only loses to zoners
he shits on literally every other character
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>>539540774
You're not allowed to complain about Lowain then
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>>539540462
And Vaseraga was gigabuffed when he got his. You could argue that Cygames was thinking they just buffed Zooey during the last big patch after EVO. It is strange how both Vaseraga and Beelzebub received both skins and relevant buffs (even if Bubs took another patch to get his buffs) while Zooey only got the skin and no help for three whole patches.

Season 2 is a strange beast indeed. It's like Cygames spins a wheel and throws darts to decide who receives buffs.
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>>539540462
>Zooey didnt get buffed when they released her skin
Her skin was a bikini (kinda) those sell themselves.
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>>539541147
great point honestly
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>>539540845
loses to zoners unless he has 50 meter*
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>>539541671
Ult punch doesn't actually beat zoners
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>>539541147
>Zooey's swimsuit carried sales on her own
>Galleon's Galleons carried sales on her own. Twice
>Beelzebub needed help and was buffed the very next patch
>No one likes Vaseraga so he was gigabuffed to sell the pass
Yea, no one's buying Charlotta with armor unless she gets buffed
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>>539540553
Admittedly I've won games with my extremely stupid and shitty Soriz off people that normally consistently trounce me.
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>>539541095
Getting a skin doesn't really mean a buffs are guaranteed or not. They've been plenty battle passes where a character didn't get buffed.
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>>539541908
proof of that lie?
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>>539541147
Zooey skin is indeed not a bikini and was quite lackluster. I doubt it sold much at all.
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>>539540553
which soriz raped beatrixluvr69
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>>539539862
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>>539545182
why he got eyeshadow
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>>539545570
CHEAT BOX
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>open pixiv
>see cagliostro cube eating and shitting out djeeta
Who commissioned this?
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>>539545570
This will surely make Zeta win a tournament!
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I just learned it became illegal to eat horse meat in my country since 2007. I remember quite liking it.

Kizziblue Fantasy Versus... Eating.
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>>539540553
Anyone with 2 braincells could tell Soriz was borderline top 5 before he got buffed this patch.

Why are NAfags like this?
It's like this in every game, they call every other region stupid for having objectively correct tierlist placements while NA still whine about shit from release date.
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>>539543751
As far as season 2 is concerned, we've had Zooey who Cygames is notorious for shitting on, Beelzebub who was buffed the following patch, Vaseraga who received substantial buffs with his skin, and Galleon who had the excuse of releasing a little over two months ago. Expecting Charlotta buffs seems pretty reasonable, especially after Cygames announced her skin two and a half months in advance. Now, there's also EX characters to consider. It would make a hell of a lot of sense to release Charlotta EX alongside her new skin. Djeeta was also proof that Cygames is willing to buff the base character and release the EX in the very same patch.

I'm not trying to hype up some sort of massive potato tsunami of an update, but rather that she is very likely to receive something next patch
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>>539546946
your country is so irrelevant that when I ask chatgpt what country banned horse meat in 2007 it doesnt know. just some US state law changes back then relating to it
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>>539546946
The Yakuza's influence grows by the day...
Stay strong and keep your supply stacked Kizzingtons, foodphobia is on the rise...
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>>539547592
A simple but proper google search would give you the answers and that's why I'm not going to. I'll give you a hint though it's not a single country.
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>>539547847
ye like same result. us states have it banned but no full countrywide ban, n thats all that comes up
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>>539547163
I don't necessarily disagree with your logic when looking at S2 specifically, but the fact that it's CyGames that we are talking about and considering everything that they have they decided to do/not to do during Rising's lifespan. I can very well see them not touching her at all.
Not that I care if she does or does not get buffed/nerfed/whatever, but yeah. I wouldn't expect anything.
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bros, you ever finally see yourself improoooooving?
just won a set for the first time vs someone that constantly farms me in ranked or rooms
normally he rapes me but i didn't look completely lost this time and actually won
i'm... improving...
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>>539543886
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>>539548418
id eat this horse
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>>539548453
metera is just broken
try that with eustace or zoi or ferry
dats rite sorizchud
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>>539548364
main?
shut teh fuck up fraud
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Is uma musume popular in Mongolia?
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>>539548418
thank you
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>>539548575
Ferry zones with her normals so if any of them get armored she can cancel into a dodge and punish
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>>539548575
>Zoi
>Eustace
>Zoners
>Ferry
>Projectile
Nigga you went full retard.
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>>539548575
>try that with eustace or zoi or ferry

eustace can dodge in time
zoi is bottom tier
ferry uses normals and she will always be able to cancel into dodge from her normals being armored
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shut up soriggers
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soriz is bottom 5
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>>539547117
Please post multiple japanese 2.1 tier lists with Soriz in the top 6. Japan was too busy being the only ones to call out Ferry as the top 1 monstrosity that she was.
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>>539548580
erm i didn't even answer yet, but the characters don't matter
the player i played against is gawdlike and i'm slowly but surely reaching their level
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We're slowly but surely approaching the narrative of a character having access to fireball make them a zoner.
Thas gawdlike
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>>539549056
cute clapping zoi
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>>539548529
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Ferry seems like a strong answer to Soriz with f.L and 2M, but the SHART claims that a lot of mid and high level Ferry mains are eating shit to him. Does Soriz really just win the round the moment he gets into block pressure? Surely, she can just BC him back to neutral, no?
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>>539549056
Gran EX is my favorite zoner
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>>539549056
>metera is not a zoner
got it
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you can tell your character is honest by hava never crying about them in a tweet.
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>>539549859
Metera is rushdown now. In fact, she's probably better than your rushdown main

She was always rushdown because Cygames has no clue how to balance her
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>>539548792
How is Eustace not a zoner?
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>>539549859
I didn't say anything about Metera, Niia, stop bruising your brain on the sack of bricks hanging in your room.
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>eustace is a zoner
broke
>eustace is a shoto
woke
>eustace is a grappler
bespoke
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Eustace is Metera's trap.
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>>539549056
This reminds me that Zeta's fireball used to pierce through other fireballs in vanilla.
Please for the love of god take me back...
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>>539550105
Because all of his zoning tools are easily avoided and leave him punishable on whiff. He's a projectile based rushdown character that wants to pressure you for days until you crack and eat a flashy combo.
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I would win way more matches if the lobby didn't condition me into not using BC. I have to make the right guess in a few more interactions than all of my opponents because I pretend that BC doesn't exist.
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i lose faster if i use BC
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>>539550105
You use Eustace's "zoning" to win fireball wars or harass your opponent, it's not his main mechanic, which is nade.
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Eustace is just Venom with a rifle instead of a cue
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>>539550105
Eustes being a zoner is the biggest successful gaslighting campaign that has ever hit this game.

Anyone that has played a ft10 with a good Eustes will and can tell you he's not a zoner.
He's some kinda fucked up spacing trap/rushdown hybrid that just happens to have a good fireball game.
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>>539551181
>that just happens to have a good fireball game.
Eustace's LMH fireballs are easily rolled or spot dodged while the sittting duck is waiting for them to leave the screen.
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>>539551603
Can't he delay his fireball to catch someone evading?
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>>539550985
Ilsa has some legs.
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>>539552158
youre supposed to look at your mom
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>>539551603
Nigga he easily beats people that tries to zone him.
He has 3 fucking fireballs and 1 of them is a double projectile.
The fact that you even try to engage in a fireball war with him at all is exactly what good Eustes players want you to do because then they just run/command-dash into midscreen range and throws a bomb trap on so that you can't throw more fireballs out of fear of counterhit mid animation for a full combo.
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>>539550985
>>539552375
actually very nice
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>>539552375
megs giant feet
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>>539550985
>>539552375
This artist draws real nice costumes
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>>539552571
Put one of foot against one of your forearm.
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I love my ratwife
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>>539551986
shut the fuck up
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>>539552463
>bomb trap
*bomb hex
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>>539550985
>>539552375
the art is really nice but he needs to fix his sameface syndrome
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For the first time ever, I got to 500 crystals.
I guess this makes me a Mid Master now.
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>>539555320
the end of an era
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>>539555320
gawdlike
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>>539555320
Many blessings to you.
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>>539555320
Can you spare a few for my GM fund?
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i will never get 500 gemmies
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>>539548364
I plateaued as a fighting game player years ago
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>>539548364
I'm occasionally figuring out new setups in training mode and then never use them.
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>>539548364
yes
I beat players easily that I couldn't beat before
my only issue right now is identifying why I can do that and how I got there but have no idea
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>>539555320
Good, here's a 10k gems Grand Master Metera as your next opponent.
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>>539555320
According to our esteemed 2b and cag players, being a mid master means you still don’t know anything about the game and have never, ever made an effort to improve. Come back once you’re half-decent and have won EVO.
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someone do the down syndrome green text quote thing I dont have the image
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>>539557569
They are right.
I still don't know how to use the Guard Button.
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>>539558037
what do you mean you don't know how to use it
you hold it when fighting narmaya, lowain and lancelot and when the opponent jumps
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>>539548364
i ranked up from D to S but i still suck
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>someone do the down syndrome green text quote thing I dont have the image
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>>539557758
>someone do the down syndrome green text quote thing I dont have the image
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>5 seconds apart
post the discord link
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>>539548364
the last time i actually improved was in my first 2 or 3 months of playing going from D to A rank. nowadays if i win against someone i always lose to it feels like luck because then they go back to always beating me until the next lucky game
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>>539558157
Exactly. I just react or get hit like a scrub.
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>>539552632
whats my forearm got to do with her giant toesies?
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Deep fried Uma Musume horse pussy
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horse pussy this horse pussy that
for me its horse anus
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>>539559501
not allowed to eat horse pussy in 7 states...
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>>539559730
Southerners don't give a damn. They'll fry e'm and dine e'm
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i luv sheep
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>>539558886
>>539560872
thank you
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The dub characters talk too much
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>>539561441
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>>539559730
where's the pink one
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>>539548364
Yes, it's like crack for me.
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what happened to the gbvsg crew
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i raped them
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>>539562318
I ate it.
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>>539562318
anon i dont know how to break it to you...
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>>539555320
I got 1k points on a couple of characters and 500 on a couple of others. I like playing multiple characters way too much.
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>>539562318
All the cool anons do not play anymore so it was disbanded
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>>539563062
this ilsa looks weird
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Are Vas combos hard? I want to start playing Big Guys For You
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https://www.twitch.tv/nyhiu_
someone might be in the tournament
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>>539563447
nigga, really? easy inputs.
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>>539563619
Oh my DAYS it's him
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>>539558157
When Lancelot jumps you jump with him and grab
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>>539563619
Mmmnyess... This will accompany my bout of diarrhea quite nicely...
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ladiva was a mistake
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>>539563619
>Open stream
>See Eustace
>Close stream
Life's simple.
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>>539563987
You always have diarrhea
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>>539564063
That I do, a wizard cursed me during childhood.
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>play against some braindead ex narm in casual
>constanly falls for the most basic frametraps and throwbaits
>can't hit confirm for shit which he doesn't have to because lmao 5l
>he only manages to win because ex narm removes like 80% of my hp anywhere on the screen when i make the slightest mistake
>mfw he's the fucking 6th highest ranked narmaya player right now
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>>539564228
wait until you see how GM wilnases play
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>>539563619
I hate Katalina so goddamn much
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Are any of you on discord or steam friends with the old vasanon? Has he said if he’ll come back? He was the heart and soul of this general to me, desu
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>>539564228
>lil pup got outplayed and came to /gbvsg/ to cry and cope
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>>539564228
GGs was me
Shake my moobs
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why are ladivaroons always the biggest babies?
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>>539564228
https://twitter.com/rossfield/status/1968197250187977039
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I was checking the ''full screen punish'' supers
Eustace's at close range hits at f13
Lancelot's at close range hits f13
Luci at close range hits at f13
Sieg at close hits at f15

Eustace at max distance hits at f22
Lancelot at max distance hits at f22
Luci's at max range hits at f22 (so the projectile has travel time)
Sieg's at max range hits at... f18??????
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>>539564228
my main? 2b btw
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>double perfect a dude
>he immediately declines the rematch
This is the best feeling
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>>539564631
this happens when you have looney trooney mickey mouse characters running around so people get deranged and start guessing on everything because holding zonerslopper infinite bc safe pressure is boring
i don't mind people doing 5M fuzzy though, it's needed for the grim/bubs/uno/cag throwbaits because my 5L whiffs every fucking time for some reason but 5M wont
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that person?

me
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>>539564631
I lack the knowledge to grasp the implications of this, I'm reading it as "people are playing this game in a way I don't like to"
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>>539565306
people are developing extremely bad habits, good players mad
it's a symptom of the game though, game rewards it with insane damage
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>>539565306
You're reading it correctly. Low masters complaining about how other low masters are playing
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>Why yes, I fuzzy mash with 5H. How could you tell?
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if you c.m my stagger you are a CHEATER
if you roll my f.h you are a SCRUB
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>>539565652
If you play against Charlotta you do that with 2H
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>>539564228
Tell us who you play anon. We're all interested to hear it.
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>>539564228
>lowest ranked gm neechang has more than twice as many gemmies than third place rat

Some characters are simply built different
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>Vas just dashes through the SSBA
This is horse shit
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why do none of the euros say gg in this tournament
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>>539552375
>aged up vikala
Garbage scared piece of shit tranny artist
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>>539566258
He was doing that prebuffs btw. Oh but NOW he's overpowered
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>>539566263
because it's always bg
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>>539566486
whats bulgaria got to do with this..?
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>>539566379
I for one am just glad that she's still hot once she's an adult
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>>539566452
Now he has plenty of other bullshit on top of that
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>>539563720
I hear he has tight links and microwalks
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>>539566964
yup yup, vas players also have microdicks
it's a requirement to be able to pilot him at the highest level
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I've heard people say Granblue is too RPS due to being easy, but 2XKO is """"harder"""", has more """"depth"""" and feels even more RPS
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>>539563619
I entered this and lost to grapplers
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Isn't luka a nier player? Did he betray her?
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>>539567712
nier's ass
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>>539550338
>Awakened
Eustace is Cagliostro but bad
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>>539566964
lmao
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>>539568065
this explains so much
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>>539565306
He complains a lot and he's a crybaby but this game has abysmal skill floor.

One of the reasons is the scammy nature of the game. 2 touches, SSBAs, throwbaits leading into 60%, balance issues, BC, 66L, delay 2L, they all influence how the game is played. There are some players that instead of playing safe just gamble everything every time, and depending on their character it works better. This is why you find Narmayas with absurd crystal counts that play like absolute shit.

Some GMs play like absolute shit too, and the reason why they're even GM is because no one bothers with this game anymore. It's not hard being top 10 in something if everyone else doesn't give a shit and you're competing with mouthbreathers like you. There are some players with high crystal counts or GM that really make you question how the fuck are they even there, and I'm not even talking about DLN.
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>>539566964
This is true
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>>539567804
yes
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>>539568525
>waah waah everyone is shit being top 10 is easy
>well yeah I lose to those shitters but that's because I'm better than them
post evo trophy
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>>539568832
>strawman and projection
You guys literally have no argument against this, stop embarrassing yourself.
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>>539568832
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what an abhorrent post
539568525
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Abhorrent post = post I can't absolutely deny in any way so I have to discard it as I pretend my shiny top 10 turd profile badge means anything as I just spam my fraud buttons like a retard and pretend I'm clean.
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Sour grapes, the post
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>>539567095
>>539568413
>>539568560
You know you're on a shit general when you legitimate question gets three replies and they're all shitposts.
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>>539565306
its just the usual grubber crying and shitting his pants over nothing
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>>539569252
I also main Cagliostro
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>>539567804
>>539568692
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>>539569371
Stop trying to play frauds like Vaseraga maybe, faggot?
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Unfortunately, still one of the best generals on /vg/.
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>>539569405
hṏly...
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>>539569252
>so I have to discard it
Discard by effect is broken tho
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>>539569527
Yugioh is probably more competitive than GBVSR.
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You should not partake in this negativity.
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>>539563447
vas is easy 500 crystals. no combos required. look at vasanon.
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>>539569371
All the good players left, only the clique faggots and the mean and dismissive downplaying lobby frauds (Beelzebub, Eustace, Cagliostro) remain, at least on NA
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I was about to complain but you're right
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>>539569464
General has been shit since Wilnas dropped
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>>539569812
vasanon does combos and I'm pretty sure he's never even made it to 500 crystals, retarded shitposter
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Using the block button should make you take chip from normals and extra chip from specials
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ilsa will save the game and gbvsg
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>>539570116
Kill yourself, cucklord.
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>>539570027
vasanon made it to 1k.
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>>539570027
>I'm pretty sure he's never even made it to 500 crystals
retard
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>>539570116
t. Lancelot player
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>>539568525
>>539569252
if only you tried to learn and improve as much as you cry and shit your pants while demanding nerfs to anything you cant deal with, maybe you would be good at fgs
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>>539569812
Vasgod could pick up any character and wipe the floor with you, lucky for you he moved on to better fighting games since rising was holding him back.
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>>539568525
the people with this don't know what its like to play against "high ranked players." theyre just putting them on a pedestal
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>>539570494
Projecting again?
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vasanon i want to play +r with you...
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>>539570506
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>>539564228
***...
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>>539570564
the people disagreeing with*
im tired
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Oh my days
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>>539570116
t. Narmaya
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>>539564228
>casual
>beating gms
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>>539564228
another self-victimising fox main
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>>539569371
How is my post a shitpost
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Does anyone want to play? (Mid Master EU Djeeta EX)
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Yes.. we're evil and mean in the lobby. Better not complain about unisonic or we'll namedrop you and send vans to your house hehe
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I look just like this
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>>539570506
the guy can’t do motion inputs. he will be back.
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+r sucks
play xrd instead
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>>539571937
Gross
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>>539572207
I can do motion inputs fine, its just i wasnt used to that in Granblue and 22 is super awkward.
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>>539572829
Gay.
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Is is possible to disable the L + U grab shortcut?
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see me in xrd, i will clown on all of you!
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>>539572853
post a webm of you doing a command grab 5x in a row
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>>539571475
but i'm too bad to play against masters...
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What's "high" master?
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>>539573498
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>>539573498
Owned
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>>539574916
Master with >501 crystals
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that’s not vasanon…
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Fraux in season 3.
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>>539574916
like in the top 25% below the lowest GM for the character
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DOUBLE PERFECT GET FUCKED TROONDIVA
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>>539548418
>>539549396
whorse
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I think we all know that FKHR will shove this retard in season 3
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>>539576358
what was the matchup? maybe I need to take notes
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>season 3
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>>539550985
God I love my mom
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>>539576854
aw you're so sweet
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give me...give me a steam game on my wishlist....please?
give
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>>539577125
sent
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>>539577125
Work on your backlog first.
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>go into ranked match
>5 seconds into round, stuck into the corner forced to block 10 mixups per second or get hit by combos long enough to make a cup of tea with sandwiches while you're being hit
sigh
not today i guess
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>>539577573
lancelot isnt THAT common
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>>539577125
you will wait till christmas
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>>539567095
Eustace has those but it's not a requirement to play the character (except for 214HMcM), I imagine it's the same thing
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>>539577631
i see a lot of bea players though?
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>>539577125
sent you uni2 bro enjoy
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HE COPIED AND DISTRIBUTED
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can somebody use AI to remove that anti AI watermark?
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>>539577125
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>>539575443
no dykes
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I'm gonna 66L 89 times in a row today hmmmyesss, I shall
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>>539578528
I have bad news for you.
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>>539577631
fuck off
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>>539577573
i was going to shitpost but did you unironically meant to post this on /2xkog/
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>>539578558
I will DP after your 53rd 66L aw fuck you held back a frame longer than I expected now I'm dead
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>>539578841
geegees shake my cock
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>>539578213
ill try but my setup is like 3 years outdated
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https://youtu.be/XppHtvClp-w?t=174

geez hino cant punish cag? you stupid or something? cag sucks
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>>539579106
she spaced 214L to be safe
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>>539577125
what non-fighting games do you want to play?
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punish cag's prostate
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>>539579106
Yeah, Cag sucks my cock and balls
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>>539579359
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>>539579697
the maiden rape assault violent semen inferno
rapelay 2
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>>539579824
a new repeplay...with open world mechanics...never in this woke timeline...
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>>539580058
>open world slop
ruined.......
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>>539580239
i wanna walk wherever, see a house, kick the door open and rape a oyakodon combo
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>>539580379
skyrim with porn mods
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>>539580565
skyrim models...can i have playhome 2 instead?
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is someone noob here
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GGs lobby. Thanks for playing.
I really don't want to use BC but I have no idea what to do when people cycle their plus frames.
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>>539580920
yeah me
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>he BC'd
bgs
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>>539581049
DP then once they catch up steal turn
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>>539581049
ggs
>I really don't want to use BC
use it
against charlotta you cant do much, you either zone her or if she gets close use BC on her swords, else you live in 50/50 land until you die
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>>539581049
not using your tools for no real reason is scrub behavior
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>>539580920
we have someone with <100 matches
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>>539581049
The no BC rule is one of the dumbest thing this general enforces on people.
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>>539580878
insult order if you have not already....
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>>539581049
>I really don't want to use BC
stop being an idiot
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I tell anons not to BC and then I BC them
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>>539581296
it's not fun to play against guys who have 100x my playtime
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>>539581889
i have 200x your playtime
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>>539581268
>>539581336
It's true but that's not the reason.
I can't always get away with just BC in corner because Djeeta EX isn't particularly rewarded for using it (no setup, too far for any real conversion, etc.), and she needs the resource for enhancing her midscreen corner carry and damage.
Getting a mash > RS > RC is more valuable, though more risky obviously.
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>>539581889
play time means nothing
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>>539581972
w-well i'm not gonna play against you then..
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>>539582003
you can get 66l nigga
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>>539582003
Who gets any particular setup out of BCing?
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>>539581336
Let me make something abundantly clear: there is no ''no BC'' rule, let alone someone to enforce it.
The ''no bc'' thing comes from Ferry anon wanting to train his defense without BCing early on, it was never a rule or suggestion imposed on anyone.
This being a ''rule'' is thread-only shitposting, that's all
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>>539582114
sure anon
getting destroyed by minute long combos when you don't even know your buttons also means nothing
but it's still not a fun time
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>>539582292
Cag or Grimnir for instance
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>>539582313
Forgot one thing: I'm pretty sure people don't BC against our nier players to not have them kill themselves
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>>539581184
>DP
what if i don't have one
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>>539582519
bruh youre playing EX Djeeta...
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>>539582839
what made you think i'm that anon
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wanted to pick up a second game to play on the side with SF 6. 2XKO was super ass and so I boughteded this on sale.

any good guides for Sieg, Cog, or Zeta? I'm just fucking around with characters I liked in Relink when I played that and those were my favorites.
I play Cammy in 6 but idk if there's anything close here so I'm just trying out different characters for now.
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>>539582904
then you bc and try to run your offense/66l
or spend meter on reversal
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>>539582985
Some Zeta resources.
There are currently some guides in the work pssst, you didn't hear this from me But most stuff is focused on combos.
These should all be up to date, aside from the f-shiki (RIP, press f)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSB7LVTNwCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGQjFZtC5kM
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1667-WJ0EJRneFSygvDbLGnV2zOywIIksWez38RuvItM/edit?tab=t.0
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Welcome to Grancypher Kitchen, what do you want?
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>>539582985
Beatrix is your character
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>>539583286
thanks, anon! Zeta seems fun in this game too.
I like 2B too from trying her out but I wanna learn someone that uses the basic systems of the game rather than an outlier as my first character. Since I notice she doesn't have a 66l and also has that special move meter.
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>>539582985
here you go, bro. this is a decently comprehensive cog guide but she's not really like cammy if you're looking for similar characters
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>>539582126
I mean, yeah, you're right.
I don't know why i'm overthinking this.
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>>539582985
caggot has this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov6natuHtO8
from an old version but most should work fine with the exception of super combos, they got rid of that
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>>539583691
If 2B is the character that interests you the most, then go and play her.
But yeah, if you want to learn the game proper, than anyone but her. Not a fan of the idea that new players need to play Gran, Djeeta or another standard shoto to properly learn this game. Anyone is fine, most mechanics are universal.
Sieg is certainly more standardish compared to Cog or Zeta. But Zeta is a fun and rewarding character.
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>>539583897
Oops I'm tarded
https://youtu.be/i1a0tsJ-6PU?si=WcFSNZe_SrUPtcPW
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>>539582985
66L a lot with all those characters because that's the best move for everyone and then get bored of the game and stop playing it while praying marvel ends up being good
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I remember this game having combo trials, why do I have to select manually every combo in training mode now?
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>>539583286
you shouldn't link that combo exhibition by Bread...
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>>539583897
not at all. I'm totally fine playing something different as long as I like the character. I really liked Cagliostro when I played Relink so I'm down to try her here.

She seems like a trap character (hehe) and I've never played one but that's not immediately off putting.
>>539583398
There's a fuck ton of characters but I'll look at her next. I saw people playing Narmaya but without the weapon switch how do I do that?
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>>539584385
Why?
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>>539582394
nonono, i know what you mean and you're right
but what i meant to say was that you'll find new players destroying players with 100x their playtime
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>people defend defensive option that gets hard knockdown
nice game grubsharts
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>>539584018
Thanks, anon. Yeah she seems cool but I want to learn the system since I didnt play the first granblue and I'm coming in late to this one.
Yeah I heard this around the SF 4 times and got bored and dropped the game until Ultra because I didn't like Ryu. I think it was Gootecks on Excellent Adventures saying new ppl should learn with the "Adam" of fighting games and then move on to something else. I forget where I heard it first
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>>539581336
nobody has ever cared if you bc outside of one very special anon who is long gone afaik.
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>>539584405
Press some button(I think its R1?) over Narm, Jeeta and Gran to select their EX versions
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>>539583315
ruria
i will have that ruria
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I don't BC so I don't take extra damage!
(I still lose because I got hit too many times)
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>>539582292
la fuckin diva
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>>539585106
Ohhhhh it's a whole different version of the character? That's fucking cool
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>>539584348
They tried to streamline it by putting the combo trials into the training mode. This also fucked it up, because there's no longer a dedicated button on the 1st sub menu to tell you where it is. Instead it's now the 4th option in a sub menu inside of training mode and it's *seamless* in as much as it doesn't interrupt training and you can get back at any time.
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>>539585125
https://youtu.be/bqsTmF2Oicc?si=CLMQRymzh9PtUMZ3
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i like making it awkward where anon uses BC and I never do and then eventually he feels guilty and stops using it too
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>>539585319
Maintain eye contact for ten seconds.
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>>539585319
this except I BC until anon gets mad and slops alongside me
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>Match failed due to connection issues
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>>539585125
You can have her mom instead
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ggs djeeta and bea anons
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>>539582985
>side game
pick 2B
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>>539581049
for what its worth from me: you definitely improved
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how can I be anti-semitic I iust fucked a zoner bitch
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>>539583691
>I like 2B too from trying her out
dont do it
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>>539581889
yep
real good matchmaking there
i sure do love sitting in the corner and dying
what's the point of getting to master if you can get there by farming noobs
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>>539585319
when i try this anons do the last match emote after 2 sets...
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>124 matches
>already S+
die gene haver
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how do you even type in glonbis
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>>539587115
the game starts at master rank
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>>539587115
the game ends at master rank
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im B tho
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>>539587792
>>539587952
Correct.
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>>539587401
issa smurf...
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>vs. galleon
>roundstart H palm
>backdash backdash seal into whiff f.H
>backdash f.H
>backdash backdash...
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this is a yuelpost
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*Vomits violently*
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>>539589350
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>>539589467
yuel prepping our mistress for 3p...
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>>539589467
fox yuri is the best
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Cow for season 3
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>>539589815
Finally a good post
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>>539589798
like all yuri it's only as good as the ffm after
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>>539589913
offset by you posting that abhorrent creature
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>>539589815
Asking for another divine general is asking for another perpetual D-tier
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>>539590153
add
monkey
now
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>>539588087
>missing the most obvious conversions
>mashing autocombo for bnb
yeah
totally smurf behaviour
i nearly had an aneurysm reviewing this
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>Anila is.... le baaaaaaaaaaaaad
mmmmmm no, no she isn't
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>>539590153
Maybe but imagine this, Cow ramming your opponents with motorcycles
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>>539590313
for some reason they wanna pretend she's vikala/nier tier so bad
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>>539590229
yup this looks like s+ to me
both parties fucking up plenty
what's even upsetting here besides you not getting smoked for those anityas
what are you hoping for with 8 hours of playtime
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>>539590443
>what are you hoping for with 8 hours of playtime
not getting matched against masters with 20k matches?
>what's even upsetting here besides you not getting smoked for those anityas
what am i supposed to do for pressure then
spam 22L like others do?
doesn't quite work with versusia's dash startup
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lobby.,...........................................................,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?
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>>539590229
i dont get the complaint about matches or time played. this guy is playing like he should be.
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>first time playing ranked in this game
>30 minutes in queue
>got two matches
>there were against the same person
>he lost both and probably didn't feel like keeping getting matched with me
>queue doesn't pop anymore
How do you even play this game? Just lobbies at this point?
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why does ferry need a +ob dive and c.h
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Amogus for season 3
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>>539591208
have you tried not being a euro?
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>>539584618
as the name suggests, it's a combo exhibition. half of these aren't ''you should be doing this'', they are ''you CAN theoretically do this''
how is a new player supposed to know what combos he should copy from there or not?
tldr its labmonster shit, bread himself drops these all the time
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>>539590718
which character is even the 20k match master? both dropped fuckin everything, neither looked like a smurf, just two guys not familiar with their characters. versusia pressed more buttons so she won because the bea was scared as fuck to try anything
all I meant by the anityas is eg :17 is riding free bait
this just looks like a normal s+ match and I have no idea what the supposed issue even is
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https://x.com/AFGCNews/status/1968712051620004134
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>>539591298
sus
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>>539590817
this guy has 10 times my match count yet i have to play against him
>>539591429
>which character is even the 20k match master?
>I have no idea what the supposed issue even is
check this webm
pray tell me how am i supposed to fight this on 8 hrs of experience with the game
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you can be a mentally disabled kid and still win with wilnas
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fighting anre is so "fun"
>fullscreen shit
>into another fullscreen shit
>supers are nearly impossible to punish due to spacing
>you got in somehow? too bad, have a parry, now we're at fullscreen distance again
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>>539592289
you're not, of course you're going to get fucked. better player wins. the bea webm's entirely normal though
as for why you matched into him that's just the way it is. sorry that happened. try playing in lobbies or rooms more and search for players closer to your skill level so you can work out your kinks. just getting destroyed honestly doesn't help people and anyone who's ever told you "you learn the most by going 0-50 against a really good player" is gaslighting
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>>539592590
wilnas killed the game
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>>539593638
indeed
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>>539592289
are you playing at neet hours or some dead server(europe)?
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>>539592064
I am looking forward to South America being welcome.
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>>539594023
the latter
i mean, it's peak yuro hours supposedly
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>>539592913
I tolerate him because metera, vas and lowain are just so much worse
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>>539591208
it depends what region and what time you are playing. if you want help escaping the d-a mines someone in here can probably help you.
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>>539594364
that was three hours ago
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>>539592913
his supers aren't that bad, you can roll them and do whatever you want to punish with
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>>539594423
>someone in here can probably help you
name someone on here who doesn't main gimmickslop
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>>539594673
define gimmickslop
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>>539594751
you know it when you see it
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>>539594751
you know exactly what i mean
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>>539594751
i play djeeta
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>>539594751
Something he's too retarded to deal with and rather cry about it here
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>>539595190
*5U throwbaits this post*
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>>539594751
any knowledge check that beats me
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>brick is muslim
it all makes sense now
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>>539594751
everyone except a few shotos that are plain OP and rely on blueslop
game is bad
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>>539595392
i never charge it.
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gimmick anon really did a number on this general after evo japan
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>>539567712
why is she presenting?
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WHEN I SAY LOBBY
YOU SAY TIME
LOBBY
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>>539596365
it's 1am and i have work tomorrow
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>>539596365
SLIME
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In the last 13 minutes I've gotten 5 matches in s rank in europe. 3 of them refused to accept the match due to ping I assume. They were rather different pings so I am assuming it was 3 unique people. Two accepted : a b rank bea with 50 games and a 600 game s rank narmaya.

I wonder if there is something broken with matchmaking or possibly some kind of network setting fucking it up for some people.
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>>539597021
nah, the game is just dead in europe.
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>>539597398
I don't know how dead it is at master but I am always confused when people sit for 30 minutes to find a match yet I seem to get them pretty quickly with a surprising amount of player diversity.
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>>539598121
>with a surprising amount of player diversity.
I wish I had that. Every night, I get matched against two or three people several times in a row.
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>>539598481
I know this definitely happens and I am still under the theory that they just broke matchmaking a year ago and nobody fixes it because it just werks in japan.

If you're that Versusia you should definitely just find someone in the lobbies to play against.
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>S+
95% of the EU lobby dodges this rank
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Hey Tim, Jaden and Hunter, I'm on my way to the wombly
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>>539599008
we use the oxford comma in the lobby...
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>>539600160
thank you
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>>539596365
DIED
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>>539594673
Mr. Pagger
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>>539585258
EX Narm is based on RelinkNarm
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>>539590313
>>539590393
You are right, she isn't bad.
She is the WORST character in the game
A guy got fucking banned for doing well with her because the system thought he was cheating
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>chartcuck
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Dwagon for season 3
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>people are STILL bitching about Wilnas
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>>539604328
yeah!
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>>539604328
you will post more art of this character
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>>539604508
you will post more art of this character
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>>539604530
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>>539605635
oh my goodness
thank you
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>>539605213
nice reads bro
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I don't read patch notes
I don't study matchups
I don't look at tier list changes
I play Seigfried and if I lose, I lose.
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>>539605929
heroes never lose
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>>539605929
baste and UWEpilled
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>>539605929
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>>539605929
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>>539605780
oh my goodness
thank you
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>>539606141
oh my DAYS THANK YOU
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>>539606412
you may have one more
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Days status?
Sun status?
Meal status?
GBVSR status?
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keep posting horned temptresses
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>>539604508
>>539605780
>>539606141
Thank you for posting my girlfriend
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>>539606757
almost over
gone
I ate a fat burrito from fat burrito
I played r*nked for an hour and broke roughly even. the game is alive!
>>539606792
very well
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>>539606240
Siegfried-sama's raw cock...
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The master rank is not “master” because it is full of "gawdlike masters of the game", but because you reach it once you have mastered the controls and basics. If you stop dropping combos, wasting BP and learn defense you will reach master quickly. That is when you fight PLAYERS instead of only your own mistakes. People are serious when they say the game starts at master. It really should have been called “standard queue,” with everything below named “entry” or something similar. Calling it “tutorial” or “beginner” would just make people quit so I'm avoiding those words lmao.

Now, about that fucking chart:
- 500 gems is not much.
- Since “master” just means people are not just mashing anymore and just have a base understanding of the game, matchups do not matter much.
- Knowledge check and oppressive neutral characters dominate until opponents learn counterplay. Anila is simple and intuitive to deal with, while Soriz, Metera and 2B can rob you until you know specifics. Once both sides of a match have a baseline of knowledge, only then do matchups matter. Anila does lose to Metera, obviously, but it is not 7:3. This game does not have 7:3 matchups.
- Difficult characters drop off, but at higher levels execution is consistent, so difficulty stops being a factor yet it does influence the chart.
- Popularity matters. There will be more waifushitters mashing on Narmaya, than Uno players. Narm is clearly stronger, everyone knows this, but Uno is higher because only people who understand his kit and gameplan stick with him, but that doesn't make Uno better.
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i did NOT read that
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>>539607213
the shitters just want to cope. there are a lot more nuanced things you can add but they don't care to read it
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>>539606792
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>>539606757
>Days status?
picrel
Sun status?
Blacked out by arrows. Death is riding in the town with armor.
Meal status?
Kumbhira is so delicious...
GBVSR status?
gawdlike
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>>539607236
Trvthnuke too bright for the eyes

>>539607360
Those were the first things that came to mind, but there's definitely more I could come up with.
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>>539607401
oh my days I fucked up the formatting.
captcha: SAARR
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All of my character's matchups are 3:7 because I'm bad
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>>539607213
Trvke
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They can fix Metera by removing her mole
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I WILL physically harm all Yule posters.
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>>539607627
the homo general is right there sir:
>>539607397
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>>539606792
Granblue really is the game for the horn loves out there (me)
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>>539607735
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>>539607735
you can certainly try but we will always 214H it
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>>539607842
Smartest Yule player.
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>>539607858
You WILL be grabbed eventually.
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I didn't read the post but let me guess that dude is mindbroken by the chart?
holy shit imagine getting assblasted by a fucking chart lmao
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>>539608116
incorrect
you have sub 60 IQ, instead of trying to imagine what posts say trying reading them instead, it will help you not looking like a retard
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>>539608082
you don't wanna get counterhit by td.5M bro... don't do that
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she is cuckshit
cuckshitcuckshitcuckshitcuckshitcuckshitcuckshitcuckshitcuckshit
NTRbaitNTRbaitNTRbaitNTRbaitNTRbaitNTRbait
STOP LIKING HER
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>>539607823
The bullied general
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>>539608219
WARNING: DO NOT OPEN
NOT SAFE FOR LIFE
you WILL regret it
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>>539608290
RAAAAAHHHHHHH
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>>539608496
>faux sarcasm
You lost.
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>>539608323
you're wrong and dumb and smelly. also no
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>>539608372
it's ashigyaru!
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>>539608760
>>539608372
>>539607219
>>539596365
i like sexy retards
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>>539608894
they are the greatest
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>>539607213
>Popularity matters. There will be more waifushitters
I singlehandedly bring down the results of several of the girls!
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>>539607213
ok but what color is your evo trophy?
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don't engage with the retard
post sexy retards instead
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>>539609717
granblue fantasy versus: rising needs more playable ones...
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>>539607213
they said to not engage with the retard so I'm replying to the only intelligent post in the thread instead
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>>539609923
true
but which ones
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>>539610115
best girl period sarasa and fediel. magisa is kind of retarded too and should also be playable
they should also add sen as an alternate character using all of seox's move data too
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I love my ratwife
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>>539609717
We need drunk fist master in Rising
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>>539611651
what if we got sober lam...
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>>539611712
Sober Lam won't give me paizuri
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>>539586742
This is super gay but I'mma save it
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sandalphon, the most popular granblue character of ALL TIME, FOREVER
list of sandalphon players:
there are no sandalphon players
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>>539612737
it's hard to find non homo art of the grub guys and then even when you do find it anons will still call you gay...
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just because it has a man doesn't meant it's gay
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post non-gay male art
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>>539612907
Women and fujos don't play fighting games
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>>539613090
Oooo..oo
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>>539613090
>non-gay
>male art
oxymoron
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>>539613241
Andira is female
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>>539613090
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>>539591208
Ranked has some population in NA and JP at peak hours, but otherwise lobbies. Ranked fills up for about a week whenever a new character releases, but most of the players are Master rank on their mains and playing alternate characters.
You'll hate this advice but look for a beginner/intermediate Discord community, there are a couple for this game and at least one does tournaments. Find a buddy of a similar skill level and learn the game with each other.
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i love you guys
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burn BLACK gbvsg
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sex with old men
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>>539613814
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>>539613814
sex with fat old men
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>>539613657
I will

BURN

MY

DREEEAAAD
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>>539613814
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>>539607213
>Please pay attention to my schizo headcanon!!!!
>Stop one and doneing my fraud ass!!!!
Nope, not listening to a flat earther nobody. The chart broke you.
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>>539614362
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>>539607213
You made the comfortchart shitters seethe again.
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>>539605635
I recently pulled her. I want to build a team around her, but she needs glaciate units. Do I need to pull a third glaciate unit, or can I get away with just Lily and Chaos Ruler Danchou? idc if my team is bad I just want to have fun.
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>>539614861
If you want to have maximum fun with her kit you need Gabriel and Europa
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>>539614861
Just one more should fine, I personally use her with just Europa.
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Gabriel's piss
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I'm surprised we haven't gotten a second Genesis series character yet. All four of them would be neat, but I want Shiva the most.
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>>539615412
*having all four of them in the game
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>>539615412
>the other faggotbait
Gay faggot. Europa or none.
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Is Zeta actually about flying around in different directions or is she just knockdown into pogo
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>>539616043
both at the same time
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yessss.... YESS we're bumping those...those UNDESIRABLES out of top 10
KNOW YOUR PLACE STUPID STUUUUUPID
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>>539617521
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>>539617521
We're gonna make it
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>>539617802
and then what
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>>539618017
then you kill yourself. the end
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>>539618017
I don't know...
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>>539617521
ummm who are those undesirables....
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>>539618017
get good in real life?
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>>539618509
I was already good in real life
now it's time to be evil
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Buff Beelzebub
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>>539618476
people we don't know or want to know
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXyq_XLKvyA
Anyone have tips for playing against Uno? I feel like I have no idea how to approach him.
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>>539619328
how come you don't join the lobby?
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Don't join the lobby. Crane machine is still out of order and there's throw up in the arcade.
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cheetoh dust on the cabs because no one cleans them and the buttons are sticky...... everyone moved to the ship and now its a mess there too and the arcade jukebox doesn't work anymore
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>>539618017
I envy the normalfags, the other day I was catching up with a friend from highschool and he showed me all the things he's been doing, his girlfriend, his travels
While I'm sitting here farming gemmies I couldn't help but feel a deep sadness and being overwhelmed by regret
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>>539620048
you don't need him
you are better off with us
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>>539620232
Of all the posts I've read here this is the Nierest
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>>539620048
Well, will you do anything to change your situation?
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>>539620048
I don't like normalfags because they're not open minded and shun anyone who don't share their values even though they just work 9.5, take care of kids, go to bed by 10 and repeat
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Sandalphon's wife for season 3
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>>539619328
>8 whole minutes of uno footage
Rare
Other than the bullshit dive you seen to doing fine, you were getting the hang of it after a few matches
It looks like you just don't know what this character does like any normal person, you just need more mu experience
Maybe check his normals and skills/ult skills in training mode to see when is your turn?
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Sandalphon's sister for season 3
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>>539620048
You should take your meds, depre boy and stop posting your offtopic trash.
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winners don't take meds
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>>539607213
>this game does not have 7:3 matchups
I don't even have any specific examples to counter this point but I'm thoroughly sick of the modern FGC take of "our game is more balanced than Super Turbo so there's no such thing as a really bad matchup, everything is 5.5:4.5 at worst!"
It is true that modern FGs are almost guaranteed not to have true checkmates independent of remaining health, like how Old Sagat more or less checkmates Cammy the second he gets a knockdown and can enter a certain spacing because Cammy has no counterzoning tools, gains no frame advantage from neutral jumping O. Sagat's fireballs, and O. Sagat recovers in time to anti-air her forward jumps. There is usually at least an on-paper answer to every isolated option until you get to niche chipout setups, SF6 burnout sequences etc. That does NOT mean the risk/reward with those options is remotely fair. I'm not saying Metera:Anila is a 7:3 because I stopped playing Anila a long time ago due to the immense suffering you go through trying to get any sauce out of her, but if you have no safe way to approach or counterzone, the options you do have contain skewed risk to reward, and you don't have the tools to really make Metera suffer once you get in (contrast Anila with Ladiva who can kill you in two touches, has an SPD and a "fuck you" abare in 2U once he's minus)... on what grounds is the matchup NOT 6:4 or 7:3 or so on? "You can gap" is not an argument against it, you can gap 9:1 matchups on paper. That set people always bring up of Zod:Luthor in Injustice almost saw the Luthor player come back and win despite the absurd odds. If you have to guess harder than your opponent, putting more on the line than they do every time you make that guess, and get less reward for your correct guesses than their flowchart nets them, how is it impossible for that that MU to be a 7:3?
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>>539607213
>This game does not have 7:3 matchups.
Your opponent vs (you) in the corner
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>>539622661
sorry I'm beat
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>>539623340
Don't mind
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>>539621028
After Nier got murdered, this game not having 7:3 MUs is factually true and even 6:4 MUs are rare, bad MUs here are mostly 5.5:4.5 shit

But modern fg retards especially in this thread cant deal with anything at all so the have melties about just about everything, crying reee 9:1 matchups nerf right now because their opponent backdashed their grab or because they had to block for 2 seconds.
Is not as bad as old shit, not even close. Not autowinning after a KD in your "bad" MU doesn't means its 9:1, but grubbers will always cry.
Petty-minded playerbase with an extreme lack of fg experience.
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>>539621028
>on what grounds is the matchup NOT 6:4 or 7:3 or so on?
Overwhelmingly strong universal mechanics that make differences between characters less substantial + tame character moveset design. In games like MBAACC where the universal mechanics are weak, and there being huge power gaps in the roster you'll naturally have 7:3 MUs. And if the character design gets a little crazier but there still being strong universal mechanics then you'll get matchups where one character can still straight up nullify the other's gameplan like Xrd Axl VS Jacko. Shit like 9:1 only exists in broken meme games.

And to comment on Anila vs Metera specifically, I'm sure that if you can get into the spacing for it, sheep hop and 2U > uskill are a legitimate threat to Metera, so it's not like she doesn't have options to keep Metera from turning her brain off?
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>>539623989
looks like 55:45 to me
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Name one character that doesn't feel miserable when fighting Metera
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>>539624058
You know too much
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>>539623989
we all gonna make it
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>>539624193
These reset after every season, right? The numbers look a little low.
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is Kat good to learn GBVSR with. I want to pick her back up since I haven't played her since Vanilla
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>>539624429
Sure
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which Uma would be the S3 guest
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>>539624730
special week
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>>539624730
daitaku helios because i want to pay her for sex
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>>539624730
Mayano top gun because it makes my penis hard
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it's really funny that Rat's GM cut off is higher than Uno by 500. Uno is THAT ugly
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>>539624429
>easy base level execution
>3 simple special moves since she's a basic shoto: fireball, lariat, dragon punch
>fantastic buttons for neutral and punishes
>236U is babby's first full corner carry confirm
>light wall plays give you room for growth Katalina was designed to be almost as beginner friendly as Gran and Djeeta. She is also a very strong character right now. Honestly you couldn't have picked a better character to learn the game with. The only complaints are that her low reaching moves aren't great and many people consider her to be boring.
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>>539625430
he really is undefensible
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>>539625456
I'mma own up to that typo
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i like being extra mean and sweaty to brand new wilnas players. Break their spirit as quick as possible
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>>539616043
>Is Zeta actually about flying around in different directions
A lot of Zeta is playing around spacing and minus frames. You only really fly around when you hit people. You can still be a nut and spam parry/arvess to catch/bait mash, but it's not recommended. The stuff in the bread combo video posted earlier is difficult but optimal.
>or is she just knockdown into pogo
That is the goal and she can even do it off of her foward throw, but you are still relying on universal mechanics to pressure people.
>>539583691
Zeta is very fun but it is annoying dealing with zoning and seeing other chars doing buttons > H special and being able to keep pressure. Play whoever you want though, Grubble is simple enough that you can pick up multiple characters
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COGS LIED TO ME!
THEY LIED TO ME AGIAN!
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>>539626640
what was it this time
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>>539626747
They claim Cocklickostro is a woman
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>>539626640
The demons of falsehood and deceit did it again
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https://www.twitch.tv/yozora
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>>539626514
To be honest I don't really like how Zeta plays in in Versus. Now Relink Zeta? That's a fun character.
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>>539627027
thanks bwick
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>>539627027
thanks impurestcwub
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>>539627027
who dis nigga
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>>539627157
The nerevarine
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>>539627157
OCEtuber who started playing in the gran slam and got addicted to charlotta
she hates wilnas and laughs like a hyena
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>>539627380
holy based
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>Wilnas tard turtles until he lands a single 2L 66L with his back to the corner
>half my health is now gone and I'M in the corner
>die after losing a single high/low coinflip
I'm so sick of this helmet character. I don't want him nerfed, I don't want him gutted, I want him removed from the game entirely. Get this non-fighter out of here and deport his brainlet fans to Call of Duty where they belong.
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>>539627808
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>>539627928
Kill yourself
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>>539628000
be mice
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>>539627808
I think you should learn the MU
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>>539585125
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>>539627380
I was supposed to train her for that but she never responded
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>>539628232
Gabagoon...
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>>539628050
I am
>>539628067
I think we should solve the fucking problem instead of this limp-dick way of coping with such an abomination of a """fighting game character""". People are already quitting over him. Get rid of Wilnas or the game dies.

Game deserves to be plugged a week before Ilsa's gameplay reveal and the worthless bitch ends up on the cutting room floor.
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>>539592913
>too bad, have a parry
Start grabbing him to dissuade him from spamming his parry
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>>539627808
cod requires more skill than rising
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>>539627027
>>539627380
watching this just made me think how fucking awful for gaming it must be to live in Oceania
not even just granblue
the whole continent has a pop of 44M
for instance, Cali alone has a pop of 39M
i want to fuck her though
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>>539628713
>equip assault rifle
>equip grenade launcher
>use one man army
>queue into ground war
>shoot grenade and miss
>get a double kill anyway
>repeat and reload until you hit 7 kills
>harrier, chopper gunner, nuke
Anyone can do this
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I can't do this...
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>>539628842
I have a buddy of mine that used to play that mobile cod game and from what he heard from Oceania it's pretty rough since their data centers are thousands of miles away from them.
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>>539629125
>spam 66L
>mash BC
>random blueslop
>SSBA
Anyone can do this
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is she spittin' chat
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>>539629271
None of those deal damage on whiff
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>>539630269
Funny how the four characters without a spammable 66L are among the most insufferable characters in the entire game: 2B, Wilnas, Vaseraga, and Ferry.
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>>539630269
She's spittin' on my taint
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>>539629125
John of Duty for your Season 3 guest.
66L into Ultimate Chopper Gunner
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>>539631368
>whiff cancellable projectiles
PLEASE GOD NO
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>>539631940
needs it
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>>539628595
>Start grabbing him to—ACK!
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Even with the strongest guard cancel of all time, offense is still way too strong in Granblue. Assuming BC is also nerfed, how would you curb the game's suffocating offense?
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>>539632819
He's not going to do that on defense
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>>539633447
66L suffers the same raging strike slowdown effect if you spotdodge it, making the defender +2 instead.
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>>539633447
BC is also part of offense. I don't think the game's offense is too strong but 66L should have more whiff recovery frames and maybe a couple more startup frames.
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...
i don't know what BC is...
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>>539633940
Brave Counter
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>>539633447
66L now lunges a third of the distance it does now
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>>539633447
Moves get additional recovery frames when evaded, without slowdown.
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>>539633940
Big chungus
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>>539633940
Medium > Heavy

Wait...
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>>539633940
Brave Counter
You know, the thing you press B and C for
For along time I thought people meant the buttons, not the actual name
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>>539634651
Rising doesn't use A, B, C.... for it's buttons and I don't think I've seen anyone use that kind of notation even in Vanilla.
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>>539633746
I do it on defense, especially against characters with command grabs. Parries lose to grabs and TK j.214X beats grabs; you beat TK j.214X by meatying, but that loses to parry. It's a solid defensive mixup, add simple downback and you have an RPS.
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ABC for buttons is fucking shit
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>>539634809
For basic buttons ABC is universal and can be used as such, people who play many games use them interchangeably and will understand.
A 2A is a 2A in any anime game. My brain does it automatically.
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Hello!
How are you today?
What will you eat for dinner?
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>>539629206
Yes you can
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>>539636934
good day
great
pork
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>>539636934
surely the sun has come out to play
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>>539636934
queue up in ranked so we can meet and i can have your gems
they're meant for me
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>>539545296
Groomed
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>>539638048
nta but I wish I was good enough to get enough gems to be paired with you so I could give you my share
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1. How do I beat safejumps?
2. How do I safejump?
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I got 100 crystals.
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>>539638398
Safejumps are so shid I've not seen anyone using them for weeks now
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>>539638398
>How do I beat safejumps?
You don't. You just guess correctly if they're going to grab you or not
>How do I safejump?
Depends on your character
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>>539638398
frame data
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I only unsafe jump
The opponent never expects it so I get away with it a lot until they do and then I die
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>>539637803
It has!
>>539637592
Enjoy!
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>>539638398
>How do I beat safejumps?
They wouldn't be safe if you could just beat them. What you can beat is what they do after the jump: High, low, throw. Usually DPs or parrys, or going for your own throws. But that's risky, as they can just hold block and blow you up.
You got yourself into this situation, so you are at a disadvantage.
>How do I safejump?
Depends on the character. You need a hard knockdown, and your jump needs to have enough frames (but not too many) to land as they wake up. Sometimes you need a frame-kill (punching the air to time your jump with your opponent waking up). You can check the dustloop page of your character. If a special is used for safejumps, they usually note it.
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>>539638398
They're called safejumps because they're safe and can't be beat. You as the defender have to hold whatever it is they plan on doing during the jump. You can only deal with what comes after the jump itself.

During a knockdown you time a jump so that you're able to meaty your opponent with an air button while being safe from their reversals. The timing varies based on character, setup, etc. Most commonly characters get an auto safejump off of throw (throw, hold upforward)
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>>539638398
>1. How do I beat safejumps?
Frame 1 parrys with uanoidable follow-up, if your character doesn't have that, then you don't.
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ABCD > LMHS

Fite me on this
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>>539639603
This isn't guilty Gear, we use LMHUGSD here.
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Why is it always about fighting? Can't we hug it out?
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>>539639752
It's called a Fighting game, not a hugging game.
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hugging narmaya reaaaal tight
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Consider being mice
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>good morning! eat something nice!
>i flip the table over and the food goes everywhere
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>>539639940
We're being mice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaapnjOofXI
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How do I stop eating shit to throw baits? I'm too afraid to block when they're plus and within touching distance.
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>>539640243
some of them are broken like narm's or bubs' but others you can delay cL to beat
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>>539640370
What about Cag?
>wait for the j.22H to punish
>she throws me and kills me off the trap confirm
>tech the throw or 2L
>she j.22Hs and kills me
>mash
>she blocks and the trap starts a combo that kills me
What the hell am I supposed to do in the corner against this brat?
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>>539640863
Issa-midtier.
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>>539640863
delay cL
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>>539641030
Will it still work with 7f jabs?
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>>539641456
I'm not sure, probably. The window will be smaller if it does.
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>>539640863
Caggots tell me j.22H isn't actually a throw bait because you can mash to beat both it and throw, and a Caggot would never fucking lie
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>>539633447
>play 2xkuso
>they have super BC that can also be used in combos to stop them
>if it lands, you can just literally run fullscreen and be plus on your opponent just like in Granblue where you BC and get your oki
>if baited or blocked, your opponent gets a full combo on you however
despite being a clear bandaid for retarded ToD combos, it somehow feels more fair than BC and I have no idea why
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>>539643191
Because Burst in 2XKO is a kuso mechanic for a kuso game, BC is a kuso mechanic for what should be a fair game. The problem with this game is that it has retarded kuso shit in it while it should be a grounded footsies centered game.

You said it yourself, you land BC and get full oki, this is so unbelievably fucking retarded I will never stop saying it. In tag shit yeah there's no neutral at all, but why it has to be the case here too?
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>>539643191
Can you spam it like in Gramblue?
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Granblue Fantasy Versus... Tag Battle
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>>539642332
It's also why she kills off counter hits so often
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>>539643523
nyo its related to a gauge that slowly charges overtime and fills faster if you take damage. I dont think Ive ever seen someone use it more than once in a match
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>>539643593
My team? Metera AND 2B. Hold this neuch bro, it's all mids
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if this game was a tag game you'd have to be retarded to not pick lowain. really really really fucking makes you think
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What if they made a tag mode but then completely waste it on making it PvE only where you fight raid bosses
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>>539644887
They already did that in the first game
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>>539644929
But now you have to do them as part of a daily grind that makes you want to kill yourself
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>>539646059
Gross off-model garbage.
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>>539643593
Featuring characters from Granblue, DNF Duel, Hunter X Hunter Nen Impact and Them's Fightin' Herds
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>>539646185
>Gross
That's Vira, yes.
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I am the vira
Here in /gbvsg/
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Vira is a precious maiden.
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>>539646543
gay. gayer than vira even.
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Lesbians don't exist. They're just women who haven't had the right dick yet.
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And other brown opinions.
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I like it more when you guys talk about Djeeta's cock or something
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I like it more when you are silent and the thread is dead
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Career ending pregnancy
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>>539647739
I fucking hate Death.
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>>539648547
Is that mf Dragons Dogma?!
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>>539648547
Got one shoted huh
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>>539648662
My favorite game of all time.
>>539648680
I always make sure to have a 60% sleep resistance ring for me and my pawn when going through BBI. Fuck that guy.
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>>539648958
>all of that nonsense
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>>539648958
Man I haven't played DD in so long, maybe I should reinstall it. My pawn used to be super popular.
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>>539649512
Pawn renting is super dead, my pawns used to get hired on a regular basis before DD2. Yes, even a decade after the game launched. My current pawn hasn't been rented once, although I'm not close to BBI levels.
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>>539650159
Wasn't expecting it to be super alive honesty, it was just a fond memory. Did you play 2? I didn't because by now I'm quite poor and my computer is slowly but surely warming up his seat in the toaster category so I wouldn't be able to play it even if I wanted to, but I'm asking cause I heard it didn't do really well.
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>>539650375
>I'm asking cause I heard it didn't do really well.
It feels like DD1 2.0 with similarly missing content, probably because it got fucked over by a mix of COVID, the RE engine being a nightmare to work with and Crapcom not really having given enough care for a game of that scope. It's still pretty good and overhated, got caught up in retarded drama about microtransactions when they're the same kind that Crapcom has had in almost every game since DMC4 (retarded shit for scrubs like buying easily obtainable in-game items for real money).
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>>539650375
Lmao, have the exact same problem. And aging PC saved me from enjoying DD2. It supposedly does some things better, but is a one stop forward two steps back kind of deal. Haven't played it yet, lots of people are disappointed, it still has technical issues.
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>>539649512
post your pawn
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Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising?
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>>539650996
Who's that?
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>>539650996
nobody fucking cares about this joke of a game, go play 100% OJ instead
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>>539650858
>loli
Brine.
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>>539649782
Where are her ears?
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>>539651374
Nah, I don't like salty water. We only take baths in the freshest rainwater filled tubs.
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>>539650751
>>539650765
So it was kinda lukewarm. Maybe I'll check a playthrough or something one of these days.

>>539650858
Don't have a screenshot of her shit's like a decade old, all I can tell you is that I remember using the special dye and stuff to give her super pale skin with very bright red eyes, jet black hair the very same of your own, I believe, for a vampire like apparence. She was also somewhat flat chested.
The feature that I was most proud of is that I fucking broke my back "training" her, though nowaday that feel kinda fucked up to say, to be able to perfectly fill her role. When I'd collect her back from the rift thingy I'd often get messages and gifts complimenting either her apparence or abilities. It was pretty cool.

>>539650996
Isn't that a gacha?
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>>539651604
I nibbled on them a bit too much.
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GBVSR is honestly one of the best fighting games of all time. I've played SF, Guilty Gear, DBFZ, DNF Duel, MvC1/2/3, Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Soulcalibur, Bloody Roar, Battle Arena Toshinden, many other 90s and 2000s FGs that no one gives a shit about and it is definitely better than almost all of them. This general is way too negative
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>>539652197
B-but my favorite influencer say it's a bad game
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>>539652197
The general certainly is way too negative. This is a great game.
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Once I heard that I wouldn't even be able to make my DD1 pawn in the game and that it had less customization options and freedom to clothing and armour, I never looked back. Funnily enough I saw the original game on launch but only played (and beat) it myself two years ago for the first time.
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you only like it because you are trash at every other fighter
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>>539652197
seems like someone didnt get their daily dose of 66L spam, Lowain and 2B
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sorry, i don't make the rules
aarondabigmac said this is a scrub masher game
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>>539652415
funny thing is, he's probably trash at this one too but thinks he's goated because he has the master icon next to his name
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>>539652197
>Battle Arena Toshinden
Fuck me I'm old
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>>539652415
You like it too, that's why you've been playing it for hundreds of hours and you're still here years after it came out. Also, you only say you hate it because you're trash at this game and get mad when you lose.
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Did you know that a goblet is not a tiny goblin?
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>>539653385
I did not
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>>539653385
>Did you tattoo your name into the tiny gobin of fire, Harry?
>Dumbledore asked calmly
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>>539653624
Was it consensual?
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If you put a lasagna on top of another lasagna...
... It's still a single lasagna...
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Plain woman for season 3
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>>539654183
Silva is the better huge gun lesbian. Give her the yukata skin too
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>>539654183
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>>539654302
Terrible taste
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>>539652197
GBVSR is one of the most disappointing fighting games of all time. I played Street Fighter 4-5-6, Guilty Gear Xrd-Rev1-Rev2, Strive, DBFZ, DNF DUEL, MVC 3-ULTIMATE, Tekken 8, Uni1, Melty Blood, Injustice 1, MK9-X-10, Samurai Shodown, Blazblue, Persona 4 arena and many other 90s and 00s FGs.
Rising is mid at best and current version is shit. Vanilla was a much more coherent game.
This general is about the right amount of negative more or less.
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>>539649782
Hag
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>>539654302
>>539654639
>"MY DYKE IS BETTER THAN YOURS"
This is /gbvs/, not /u/
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>>539654760
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>>539619328
you need to tech with a button against his retarded throw bait
roll the stupid spinny wheel they all spam
multiple times you could have just dped when you committed to gambling on 623h to get out of the corner/pressure where you end up getting counterhit
just bc when you inevitably fail to stop the dive kick
>>539628595
the most upsetting part is he didn't try to jumpback throwbait on wakeup
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>>539654895
I look just like this
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>>539654806
t. yuelposter in denial
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>>539655135
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>>539654806
You're right, I'm sorry. Let's talk gbvsg stuff.
So do you prefer Belial's assertiveness or Vane's compassion when it comes to sexy time?
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>>539655431
is she dead
>>539655732
i need this character in my life
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>>539655116
Aren't both the foxes (you)sexual?

A good dick can change her life
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>>539655860
No. She's just waiting for Sunday.
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https://www.twitch.tv/yumegiwahatake
vikala... le bad...
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I still don't know why grubble of all things has so much spanking fan art but thanks to that I'm beginning to see the appeal.
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>>539654302
>dyke
But Jessica is the incest rep
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>>539656241
>open stream
>see rat getting destroyed by abel
>close stream
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>>539654895
>doesn't wear shoes
>but puts on sandals for her beach outfit
I don't get it
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>>539656424
Pretty sure it's a singular dude comming these.
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>>539656815
Why not? She wants to (l)ook pretty on the beach. Also, beach sand can get really hot in direct sunlight.
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>>539657073
I don't play the gacha but don't these characters fight on molten rock by volcanoes in one of the stages in this game? And she runs barefoot through the snow on the divine generals stage in Rising
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>>539656241
im going insane from watching lowain gameplay
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>He's questioning anime logic
MOOOOOOOOOOM
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>>539656831
Of course, some people have taken inspiration from him.
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>last HP left
>know that Charlotta is going to H ball me
>if I dodge it she's still plus
>jump over it
>she recovers in time to hit me in the air
What the fuck are you supposed to do against this shit
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>>539657321
it's too early for me to be masturbating, put this away
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>>539657168
Don't think about it too deeply. You can sometimes be a bit more realistic, even if oftentimes you're completely disregarding all that.
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>>539657593
Mid-tier character, never wins, will receive buffs.
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>>539657821
mid? nice upplay
bottom 3
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>>539657593
your dp? your reversal ssba? your schizo super jump?
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>>539657915
>>>>>>superjump
she recovers to antiair you with her broken ass disjointed close.H
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>>539657593
Don't the blanka balls have a lower clash level? I keep getting stuffed and counter hit during them.
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>>539657593
you stop playing fighting games made within the last decade
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>>539658125
i wanna grab this character by her feet, spin her like a tornado and throw her into a pool.
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>>539658124
Clashes with M buttons and gets crushed by H
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>>539658223
So just bait the heavy blanka ball and press H
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>>539658223
I'm pretty sure it clashed with my f.H many times
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>>539658446
So the only answer is "press H and hope that Charlotta used ball at the same time to run into it"?
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>>539656241
glad to see the sound is still unbelievably fucked
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>>539657593
you can grab her out of it
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>>539658843
It's way easier than you think. With a bit of distance, you've already won.
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Anti-airing with Zooey's c.H is satisfying on a very visceral level. If I get to double gut punch someone with a shield bash I don't care about winning or losing the round anymore, I'm happy.
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>>539658446
Nyes, assuming you're fast enough to actually press H before getting hit.

Looking this up made realize that bikki's f.H has below average clash level because of course it does.
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>>539652197
twitterGODS and modern fg CHADS say its the worst game released in the last decade tho??? Literally killed videogames
kill yourself slopper
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Why does grim f.h have level 4 clash
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>>539654183
As long as she swings the canon around, sure.
>>539654302
Jessica is a brotherfucker, not a lesbian.
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Button prioity is such a mess in this game
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>>539656241
lowainroon getting his bussy rearranged by a viraGAWD on stream
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>>539659916
Same reason it's 8f: He nyeeds it
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>>539652197
>>539652897
i played battle arena on dos bros...
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>>539652197
the game is so close to perfection if they just tweaked a few things, but nipper devs are so stubborn so they deserve this trash playercount
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>>539658201
Sounds like a fun game. I'm sure she would appreciate it.
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>>539660287
It's okay, gramps.
Gbvsg is the retirement home for the fgc.
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I AM DIVE MAN. AWOOGA!
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>>539660197
vira is bad bros its not looking so good for us
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Buff her again.
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cmon in
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>>539661686
I bet there's piss on that seat
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>>539661686
I'll play ONE (uno) match!
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The spot was already taken...
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>>539662028
I can pee on another seat if you'd like
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The nier tard just shat on the floor again. Why do they always do this?
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>>539663092
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>>539659530
Its not
Attack level is not the same as clash level
Hers is still 3

A clash lvl 2 f.H would be stupid fucking bad, I expect them to do it next patch.
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