Hurricane - EditionPrevious thread: >>539428202>Official sitehttps://warthunder.com/>Fan created contenthttps://live.warthunder.com/>Wikis with info on tech trees, weapon systems and game mechanicshttps://wiki.warthunder.com/Main_Pagehttps://old-wiki.warthunder.com/Main_Page>Old forums archive:https://pastebin.com/EyMhsLAJ>Guides to Air and Ground battles + MEChttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=742852313https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hgHbWlSjefFhCqOUeGpoKQntdQDPG32X7XQo9EqDF00https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/438251-strategic-tips-for-ground-battle-maps-36-maps-90-videos-as-of-28august2020>Guides on missiles, radars, radar warning receivershttps://youtu.be/Weghk_2DpfA https://youtu.be/_tQ6JzPWEFU https://youtu.be/DOGazUgUdsQ https://youtu.be/wAtTS8xSYEc >Guides on how to evade missiles and survive top tier:https://youtu.be/AsmGiyODPuM https://youtu.be/vUJJ94NwH_g https://youtu.be/NbKcAdLoWDk >Guided weapons statisticshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SsOpw9LAKOs0V5FBnv1VqAlu3OssmX7DJaaVAUREw78>What tanks have thermals and their generationshttps://thunderview.net/thermals/>All manner of statistics and datahttps://statshark.net/>Someone sending you runes?https://translate.yandex.com/ocrReminder: A patch is never late, nor is it early. It is released exactly when the pre-order quotas have been met.Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yP1tcy9a10
>>539657756my bad
>>539657795autism is to show it
I think China is and will continue to be the best nation in the game if u had to pick just 1.
>>539658121Indeed it is. Over 150 ground vehicles and two dozen planes to add meanwhile most other trees are finished.
>>539658521>drone in the back>in game it will spawn a zala instead)))))))))
phoomp phoomp phoomp doing 37mm task
>>539658723Oh shit I forgot this had a 37I was going to do it by bomber hunting with the pbj
>>539657625such an ugly planeSpitfire mogs
Is Italy worth playing/grinding?Thinking about getting the OF40 MTCA during the next sale to grind it outCurrently have the P40, some stupid car...the stuff is so fucking trash but looks like around 8.7 it gets good (seems to be the story of every minor nation where things are trash or just boring slop until 7-8 BR)
>>539658820I was thinking Su-6 and T18 to get a head start in race for the pinatas.
>>539659125I couldn't be bothered to grind the t18 but I didn't know the su6 had 37s, thanks for the shout
>>539659119It’s about as good as USA.
>>539659125I did it mostly with Ki-108, T18 was painful against fighters since it has no tracers>>539659643kek
WZ141-1 is really based im enjoying it a lot.
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>>539660017>tree update cool but not that useful>cockpit updatethis changes EVERYTHING>fuel dumpingi have never seen a single person use this feature ever
>>539660017Great, why does Gaijin hate low end PC players?
>>539660535get something better than a core2duo and a GT210 brokie
>>539660629Nta but I have a high end pc. Just worried about my nephew not being able to play with me.
>in my j11b>rape su27s and su30s left and rightfeels good
>>539660535desu Dagor engine is very good with older hardware
Korea for Japan
>>539661482Korea makes sense to be USA since their tanks are all derivatives of Abrams
>>539661747Which is why they should go to China so I can pair the K1 and K2 with my t*iwanese M1A2T
multi vehicle sams should have 3x the cost of regular sams because you know... it's three vehicles
Korea is so popular it will get its own tech tree with Kpop and everything.
catch my vikhr...
>>539663179I used to hate K-pop until i played VRC and went to mmd worlds now i love the shit
>>539663442you caught bolides multiple times stfu with your redditoresque ritual spam
luv me K2
>>539663595midwit
>Ukrainian M3 Bradley killed a Russian T-90SPAAhaterbros...
zov
>>539663807fag
>>539663963SPAAchads run this game
>>539661747>>539662557>>539663609Your overconfidence is what will lead you to your disappointment
>>539664110bradley ifv
>>539664110I'm sorry what were you saying?https://youtu.be/OfPM08mDwUYI can't wait for BMS and variable propellant to arrive so spaaggots can be raped harder
WAAAAAOW BASED SNAILTHANK YOU FOR THIS COMPETENT DISCOUNTI WILL PLAY 1000 MORE HOURS OVERLORDS
Gluttons our response!?
>>539657625
K2 belongs to Russia by the virtue of being Kalashnikov action.
>>539664273>9.7
>>539664398Nb.Fz. is actually good
>>539664172By your same logic crapan should've been a US tree since all crapanese prop fighters were copies of american designs, all crapanese jets are either american or made with 90% american parts, and both type 90 and type 10 were designed by the us
>>539664273cool, is this first case of smart slav player?
>>539664398I got a discount for 2C Bis, and it's the funniest vehicle. Probably the only I bought for gold coins.
will gook chimp out of they actually show up on jap tree?I mean they seeth about jap as much as chink for being inferior slant eyes
>>539660017>new meteor Mk.8 cockpit>Mk.8 plane models are still crusty as fuck from 2013, except for the Belgian onewhy bother prettying up the cockpit now?
>>539666187keeps the one (1) remaining dev who actually gives a shit occupied long enough to distract him from the mountains of slop they're cramming into every update
>>539665189he's american but plays the bmd and bmp2m because they're fit for the job
can't believe we have to wait for this shitty bote event to end, just to get a basic update like this
>>539668556bote event has next to nothing to do with itwe've had updates drop during events before, iirc we've even had two concurrent events live on the day the update dropped
>>539668556What would you want to see in an update, anon?
>>539668556The next update is an American BMP, though.
>>539669838an actual good tank
American planes are superior because they carry more ammo.
>>539670472Why do you want a tank so badly? Isn't there enough tanks already?
Is there a chart that shows how much instructor pull is applied per plane?
>>539670689>Isn't there enough tanks already?no
>>539670689The game is missing over 100 chinese tanks.
>https://warthunder.com/en/news/9711-war-thunder-x-active-matter-twitch-drops-watch-active-matter-streams-this-weekend-and-receive-rewards-enGaijin back to giving out TD versions of vehicles, i'm happy
>>539671534the game has too many chinese tanks
>>539671534it's missing over a thousand American aircraft too, welcome to the club
>>539671534The game is also missing good maps.
>>539672328The game needs bigger maps, but fewer maps if that makes sense.
This game is needs a game unironically
>>539672498No. We already have big maps. But they need a real big boy game modes too.And we can have a lot of maps, but we also need more map bans. Limitless preferably.
>>539673073game?
>>539671562>rerun dropimagine the viewcounts if they ever bring the tricolor smonk back
>>539671562More unhistorical camos you cant filter.More pointless tech tree clutter you’ll spade in 7 games and then never play again.I’m so happy
>>539661317because the game looks worse today than it did 10 years ago lol at all these people that think the new engine was about better graphics and not about it making the game cheaper to run for Gaijin
>>539673128isn't the large fields of poland way bigger?that shitty Indian map that doesn't seem to be in rotation anymore was huge Fulda doesn't even seem that big anymore
>>539674890It doesn't matter how big it is, what maters is that fucking game modes are hardly compatible with the size. No matter if it's Fields or Fulda.Also I love Pradesh, would happily play on it exclusively.
IM VIFFING!!
HMS doesn't ping RWR until lock has been attempted, right?
>>539657795for me, the first encounter with honorable pvp meme was Dark Souls fucking hilarious every time it pops up
>>539677494yes, it just acts like your radar is off till you click the button
>>539678032>BROOOOO DON'T USE BUSHES BRO
in fo wha?
>>539678912dogshit in every way imaginable
>>539678912food for my amraams and r-77's
>>539678912R-27 is godlyr-73 spinning outand getting slammed from above by multiple amraams and such and permanently defensive flyinglike the belgian f-16 but worse :D
>>539678912Only decent in 12.0 downtier kek
>>539678912Imagine an Su-27 but>with a WAY shitter FM>half the missiles of which only 2 can be SARHs>less countermeasuresat the exact same BR. Now you have the MiG-29G. And that's the best (or least bad) this family can offer; the lower BR ones sacrifice usable IR missiles and the higher BR one has by far THE single worst FM in its entire BR range.
>>539678949>>539678985>>539680575>>539680658>>539680801Oh man, I should've just went with the EF first, well its just two planes away fom this plane anyway
>>539681236i made the same mistake as youit's simply past its prime until they decompress the BR range of top tier up to like 20.0you can still make it work if you seek success with it and find your own ways around its flaws
Yeah baby that's what I'm talking about.(150% booster)
I finally got Olifant Mk1 Thought this was going to be okits probably the worst tank I've played yetso far I'm 4/14 K/DI can't even grind to get mobility upgrades/LRF/dart to see if its even worth playing im getting like 200 rpi just died for being out of bounds on a section of the map I've gone through with a Churchill and still made it without dying to out of bounds timerI hate Centurions SO FUCKING MUCH
>>539675092pradesh was the most gooner nerd map of all time that rewarded snipe camper shitters more than any other map in history
>>539684374It's the best Centurion in the game.
>>539684650its the least smelly piece of shit out of a pile of shit
>>539684770On the shit scale the Olifants are honeydew.
I've actually lost about 40k SL playing this thing so farI know im supposed to stick around in the match to get better rewards but it has me malding so bad im just pressing W to try and get one kill or cap before dying and quitting the match
why is the tigre had at a lower br than the z19e if it has better missiles?
>>539685552Because TY-90s turn helicopters into formidable AAs.
>>539684374second one is much betterbut yeah at that BR the vicker is just way better
>>539684547You have been mindbroken by all the infantry maps, so now you operate using Counter Strike definitions. Sniping. Corner checking. Side scraping. Rat vehicle.That's not tank warfare.
>>539684547Corner peeking gameplay is fucking slop and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Also fuck map borders.Pradesh, despite being a big map, isn't actually even made that well gameplay wise because it takes place inside a giant horseshoe which is balls. It's not among the worst maps out there, but it's not helping when gayjin finally makes a big map which plays shit then people ban it and they use that as an excuse for le big map bad.Can't they hire actual fucking mappers into the company? Not 3d art students.
>>539687050not my problem
>>539688487Sitting on a ridgeline for half an hour and writing until something drives into your FoV sure is captivating and skill rewarding gameplay.
>>539687050I dislike the flat hold W russian bias shit that they've been focusing on more and moreI like maps where you can move around in concealment IMO good maps are Kuban, El Alamain is ok in some versions, Fields of Normandy is ok, Sinai, Volokolamsk, Ardennes, Tunisia, Flanders, Fulda is okI have literally not seen Flanders in my map rotation in about 2 months I always did well on it, I probably don't get it anymore for that reason
please keep posting war thunder related content but add some meguminthanks
>>539688713Yeah Pradesh was a campers goon session insanely good sniping spots overlooking caps with zero cover10/10 map design
>>539689372Russian high tier tanks are consistently the worst for fast close quarters gameplay.
>>539689596It's not a perfect map, none is, but I will take Pradesh over Advance to the Rhine, and 38th Pararell, and Abandoned Factory. and American Desert, and Alaska, and Breslau, and...you know what, I will just play on Pradesh.
>>539688713woopty fucking doo, this is a tank simulator, go back to arcade.They could easily incentivize pushing if they added NPC targets or revamped the map control system, but family company comrad))))
>>539690710No, I'll just keep playing the acradized game this has been since it's inception, it's very enjoyable. If you're too bad for it go switch to some autistic simulator like steelbeasts.
>>539691703sim game
>>539689851kek ok retard
Profile icons that make you go "I like him. I'm glad he killed me."
>>539686580so do mistrals as a matter of fact
>>539692610It's not me that's struggling to hit weakspots, leading to rate mediocre armor over active advantages like mobility, reload and depression.
>>539693690TY-90s have more than twice the effectice range.
>>539693901they're both 6km and the mistral has a stronger irccm
>>539671562Is it a premium vehicle?
air game
>>539694005The statcards are notoriously unreliable. The TY-90 has a Delta V of 1330 m/s compared to the Mistral's 920.
where did berlin map go?
>>539695810down to BR 3-4, where it belongs
Is there anything special about the t-34 n.215?
>>539697117yeah its armor doesnt break like glass when hit
>>539694310No, it acts like an event vehicle so similar multipliers to the tech tree versions and you have to grind modsI hope they bring back the chi ha kai td so I can add it to my japan lineup
i4w?
Threadly reminder to not use clouds as cover as they are not reliable due to clientside differences.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSy6oFmNxfIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--MxLmOFr7Q
Is there any female stream?
>>539673128>But they need a real big boy game modes too.No you get circles and nothing else.
>>539698258i play top tier where clouds dont matter anyway
>>539698081reverse speed
>>539695229ground focus
I don't want to install any custom sights so what are the best reticles/sights from the default list for the Leopard 1, Raketenautomat, and the PzH 2000?
How do I make Sea Harrier work? You are too slow to pressure anyone and too weak to fight Mig-21 and F-5 hordes
>>539699714the one that resembles a noose
>>539699759Climb to the side, toss bombs at a base, AIM-9L people that are distracted from space, fuck off for the rest of the match to accumulate game time.
so when did the russians figure out how to tear the fabric from black holes and make their tanks out of it?
>>539699852based tranny
>Battle on Campania>playing in an open-top TD>be top of the team for the first 8 minutes>enemy starts spamming planes>now I have to sit behind a house, with my engine off, looking at a single angle or I WILL get strafedAnd there are still people who claim that CAS counters camping.Nigga, I had to sit on my ass for 10 minutes, Campania being a shit map notwithstanding.
>>539699759stay at 4.5-5.5k altitude and launch aim9L at people that dont see you
why is this allowed?
>>539703262Money
>>539703262>nigger heard germany and sweden are the most op nations (wrong)>pigged the f-35 by accident
>>539702375CAS could counter camping if CAS players had the brainpower too do more than immediately dive into the ground spawn
>>539704096swedes and germutts are definitely some of the most OP nations at top tier
>>539702375>And there are still people who claim that CAS counters camping.I always thought that was so dumb. CAS was one of the main reasons I started camping. The average CAS player just attacks the first thing he sees, like an animal. That usually just so happens to be people who are playing the objective, just leaving their spawn, about to be finished off by a team mate (stealing their kill), or moving the front line forward. Fuck CAS man.
>>539673410I'm mad that I never got any of the funny smokes due the drop system being autistic back thenAlso I wish they would rerun the snow smoke, only because it looks cool and not because its the most obnoxious of them for whoever is on your 6
>>539703262based. No mulattorc nations, a true EvropanGOD gamer
Hello boyos, its the footy anonFooty season is about to be upon us again, starting with friendlies which start NEXT WEEK, dates being september 26-28 and october 3-5 https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_25_FriendliesIf you have any teams you'd like to see our team play against tell me asap.I did sign us up for a grudgebowl against /smtg/ and asked /aceg/ for the biannual planebowl, that would leave one match slot open for us.Also, as usual, hit me with any new player ideas. Although I have been keeping a note of any potential funnies, since I know the moment I ask the ''this roster is stale and memes not funny'' -people for better ideas they suddenly shut up. Wonder whats up with that. Anyway, hmu and Ill add them to the list for the eventual roster poll.Later
>>539707282https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyuFLU2Zqz0
>>539707642I can always count on you moskauposter
>>539707282where is papa daniel?
>>539707282In the midfield
What do you prefer?
lol, lmao even
>>539710280What's making Yamato perform so bad? Everything else isn't really all that surprising.
>>539710517I believe it likes to blow up fairly easily for whatever reason, dont have one myselfBut the fact that soyuz almost has a 10 kd isnt surprising?
>>539710093CRVs are faster
>>539710280Racism against the Russian Federation and the Glorious Union of Soviet Socialist RepublicsIf they had been built, they would actually have been the cream of the world's shipbuilding
>>539710280r... roma?
>>539711378Blown up by a FritzX
Tiggies run this genny
>>539666187>ukroinkers added a field mod to their bradleys where they installed a higher HP motor on the bushmaster, increasing the rate of fire to 500rpm>same exact modification can be found in game on the adatsM3A3 should have this
>>539710683Huh, alright, should it do that? I was expecting the guns to make up for it, but probably not at the ranges in game.>But the fact that soyuz almost has a 10 kd isnt surprising?I mean not all that much with the implementation they went with? The armor is alright, the shells have a ludicrous amount of filler. The magazines aren't all that deep, so maybe it should blow up easier.
>>539660461>not that usefulcurrently>machine gun tree>takes 3 business days to fall and the fallen tree now obstructs your vision>alternatively, it glues to your tank and blocks your optics
>>539715071yea and how often does that happen, once every 20 games?
>>539710280should've built better ships
>>539698081insane fake levels of god armour
>>539663442LMUR*
>>539710280>magical pidoruskie shell that lolpens the iowa>50kg of filler that just so happens to be enough to get right past the second turtleback plate on the bismarck
>>539698081an unfortunate BR of constant uptiers
>be stalin>massive vehicle autist>realize your people were always retarded peasants and lenin was full of shit, gobbunism fixed nothing>still try to whip them up and get them to build a half decent military>the german moustache man gets into a schizo fit and surprise invades you for no reason>your pet project T-34 with innovative sloped armor, the peasants are using pig iron to produce it>your incredibly advanced sovietsky soyuz, rus retards cause constant delays, and to your dismay the germans bomb that port>still, you whip them into an effective military>moustache man defeated>oh no, the russians are starving!>ask the farmer peasants in ukraine to share just a SMALL amount of extra grain>they send fucking everything, and for months they dont stop sending all their grain to russia, millions starve to death, the retarded ukro yokels starved themselves to death>get an aneurysm and dieGrim
i hate atilleryniggers so fucking muchfucking vidar pzh20000 that russian thingalways need 100000 shots to killinstant repairdoesnt matter if you kill their gunner, breech, commander, barrel in one hit somehow they always can instantly fire back and 1 shot you
>>539722052
>activate a booster>get Shit Arc>It's also a full uptierANTOOOOOOOOON
>>539693759>russian tanks>not mobile >needing depression on pancake flat maps >reload disadvantage oh whoops you shot my ammo carousel but i have gaijin spall liner (((((((((((( too bad ur 5 sec reload doesn't matter (((((((( boom now you die ((((((((((((
>>539722321I can't get over the fact the 2000 is somehow 7.7
>>539720659
Time to koln some nerds
>>539720659stop this racism NOW!!!(((((
I *really* like this tankUnironically one of the best tanks in top tier
>>539724003What Night?
ok which nation is better at top tier (9.0 and higher)Russia China or Sweden?
>>539720659>sit at 8km in bismarck, semi broadside to maximise my turtleback efficiency, peeking in and out of an island>several salvos from yamato and iowa, tank that shit>dispose of yamato by shooting the meme spot>disable the turrets on iowa and run back to cope island because im not penning shit>suddenly, half missed salvo, one (1) (uno) shell hits my belt, instant fire on turret 2, magazine blows up in less than 5 seconds>it was very flat, it was not plunging fire>fucking ruspig soyuz>as expected, the shell detonated inside the turtleback, but the HE shrapnel ignored the rear plate, slightly touching the turret basket thingI am very upset
What should I spec RP into for Italy.
>>539724986should have won the war, vpered))
>>539724986>te] [Auto] 19At this point i just think the gaijin devs hate germans
Falcolifant does it once again
Sweden is the best nation in the game.
>>539724845By what metric?Most viable lineups? Russia.Best top tier lineup? Debatable. Sweden has by far the best tanks, light tanks are about tied, Russia get good SPAA and CAS options for all three spawn groups (fighter, attacker, heli) while Sweden only has two mediocre fixed wing options.The chinks might catch up to russian top tier eventually, but are still far from it currently.China has a couple intermediate fun BRs (9.0, 10.3/7), but overall nothing special.
>see olifant>see dm23 and lrf at a generous 8.3>realize it handles like a literal elefant, slow piece of shit with abysmal turret rotation>go back to ye olde chieftain
>see a memoir/combat report about planes trying to skip bombs down the tunnel that concealed Anzio Annie>completely impossible to find again since google is complete ass
>>539727015http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol133lw.html>why is this on a website about south africa
>>539728198That doesn't incude the part about how the american fighter bombers tried to skip bombs down the mouth of the tunnel like how one veteran said in an interview
>>539727015>completely impossible to find again since google is complete assI swear search engines have been developed to hide shit rather than find it now>>539726707I like it on some maps, on others it is horrific.
Why is Italy so based?
Are the Mutt claws and Japanese sams bad? I always missile strike them with the su30sm.
7 Air RB matches today and only one assist so far, tonight might be the night I do it
>>539731931What are you playing with?
>>539732674P-51C-10
>>539732726You want climb above others and use boom&zoom tactics
>>539733139Oh buddy I'm trying but you have no idea how bad I am
>>539733189Just lurk above and go for enemies that are slow. That should net you a few kills. Or go head on if the enemy is at yout altitude
>>539731931>>539732726imagine being so bad with the most handheld 3.7 plane in the game
there are a LOT more WT youtubers than I thought that sit around 20-40k subscribers
>>539733452Thanks cute anime girl on 4chan>>539734057Hey man, it is what it is
I rage quit and I'm bored now
>>539734057>most handheld 3.7 plane in the gameBut it's not USSR
>>539736194Eremin's Yak-3 is 4.0 bud
>>539736507Every Yak is beyond handheld so it doesn't really matter
>want high tier planes>don't want to play the snoozemode that is ARBlet us research the aircraft with tanks already you cuntsat least the CAS lines
>>539737939high tier planes are not fun though
>>539737939How do you have fun with planes in GRB?
God do bongs really get nothing for CAS at 9.3 other than the fucking buccaneer S.2? I'm struggling to see how that thing is even that high.
20 matches, two kills, I wonder if I was born this way or somehow I became this way
America is the best GRB nation mainly just because it has more than viable (and usually best in tier) CAS at any BR you would wish to play.
>>539742016You are doing someting fundamentally wrong
Spading the Churchill VII is absolutely painful
>>539743189Oh believe me I know, but no amount of youtube videos and thinking is helping me
>*rapes your entire ground forcewat do?
>>539743934forgot pic
>>539744110>*mogs you with a fire snake*
>>539745158>gnss onlyKek-a-rama
>>539741929>9.3 other than the fucking buccaneer S.2Lol that thing is at the same BR as the A-4E Early?
>>539746358anon..A-4E early is 8.7
>>539746518That's even funnier but it the initial comment was about GRB where they have the same BR rather than the A-4E actually somehow having a lower BR that a plane that is straight worse than it.
>>539742016What are you flying/driving/captaining?
>>539737939just buy the premium then
>>539732674my balls
>>539737939What do you consider high tier? I assume somewhere under top tier
>>539731570The Tan-SAM is bugged so the radar is basically unusable dunno about claws
was there ever good explanation for this?
is vicker 1 any good?
>finally reach toptier ground>its not that funthe fact that everyone just left after 1-2 death make it really suckI wish everyone would just spawn at least 4-5 vehicles feel like 10.7+ matches need to be twice as large as it is now cause everyone is so fast now and they all can just each other from spawn
unless i've been missing it and they shipped a fixi figured out a work-around to the inconsistency to the Spice bomb target acquisition, just hold down whatever button it is you use to release ordinance i have almost everything bound to spacebar so it could just be a me issue
>>539750547You tried not aiming for the track with a rocket that clearly veers off to the side?
>>539751365The game is literally and unironically "it's about the journey, not the destination". It stagnates or gets progressively worse the higher you go.
>>539745158>with a fire snake>hit>hitmi-28nmbros, our response?
>>539751816>It stagnates or gets progressively worse the higher you go.So damn true. Every time I reach a top tier or high tier jet I wanted to play I get it and just dont feel like playing anymore.
>>539751816i still find 10.7 enjoyable because it dodges some of the truly absurd top tier balancing and CAS
>>539745158>>539745828https://youtu.be/Rf2SX9Frv_Q?t=433AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHHAH
>>539751963bruh why the FUCK would you make a rocket exclusively GPS-guided?
what I really wish is SL talismani dont mind if it cost as much as RP talisman but then you effectively can turn anything into actual premium vehicle that you could use to grind the SL with so it wont force everyone to play the same few premium vehicles
>>539752042chink fantasy
>>539752073bro your 10-unit wagers? free 500k SL
>>539750863BPA_jon did a video on it a while agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQTjWQ2kV-w
>>539751721
Womp womp.
>>539752042cheap
>>539751365>the fact that everyone just left after 1-2 death make it really suckOn the contrary this is what makes toptier very enjoyable because it leads to tighter matches between people that play their whole line up as opposed to mid br ranges where half of your team still leaves because they're playing some unbearable dogshit while 10 enemies (probably french) are in your spawn in 30 seconds.
>turn my head to look at my other display waiting for arkaden planes to spawn>see this
>>539757872>people that play their whole line upa jest
trees for golden birdies when?
>>539758401you're missing out if you haven't gotten to play the late game cap rush between the players going 4/2 or higher
>>539745828>>539751963You are actual idiots
Took me a 180 hours and niggerstomping in a downtier while my game tried to kill itself more than once, but I finally got a nuke. Damn, it felt good.
>>539761070This reminded me that we never got the guided CRV7s>The PG version, for "precision guided", adds a seeker developed by Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace to the front of any version of an otherwise unmodified CRV7. The seeker uses a simple inertial guidance system through the midcourse and homes during the terminal approach using a laser designator. Other versions offer anti-radiation seeking or GPS guidance.
whats up with german players who bring nothing but TD?
>>539752042Precise rocket lofting
>>539762173br is nothing but TD
>>539762173Depends what BR it is. If it's 4.3, that's all they have.
>>539762173luv me casemates
>>539762173Rping losing the war.>>539761838CRV7s have been done dirty, which isn't surprising because it would benefit bongs mostly, they could have had cool shit like the tungsten anti tank warheads with a ridiculous accuracy. Instead they are just a copy paste of another rocket.
What the fuck is with this game sometimes? Some wop StugIIIG point blank bounces a 160mm pen round square off of its side armour, then bounces again square off of the flat armor around its driver port
why don't these fucking retards just remove all AP belts from SPAA
WWM FUCKING WHEN???????
>>539763392NEBER EBERIT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS SINCE THE M60 WWM!
belnigger 57 need to go up to 10.3
>>539763392Check the official news for updates :)
>>539763545yes, bagel is on par with 2s38
>>539763835Give it back it's ungimped aphe and it would easy be 10.3
Why do retards ITT love that gay Pradesh map? I played it a couple of time and it was utter dogshit. I hate Finland and I think it's a terrible map but that pajeet excrement is even worse.
>>539765754Give me one mid map that isn't fields of Poland(good maps dont exist)
>>539765946Eastern Europe, European province, some Ardennes layouts, Fulda, Hurtgen and both Polands. These at least don't make me want to immediately Alt F4 out of the game.
>>539765946vietnam
>>539766138he asked for ONE (1) map
>>539766225>load into match>see vietnam is the map>close game
>>539766449>load into match>see shit map>leave>crew lock)))))))))))))))))The gayjew wants you to not have fun in this piece of shit game every step of the way
>>539765754they're 1-death-leaving spawn snipers who don't even notice that you can't reach any of the capture points before the tickets drain.
>>539765754I can do CV90120 things unbothered
It's Saturday /wtg/
American Desert my beloved
>>539767514Invading American mainland aesthetic is peak but the map layout is shit
>move 1 (one) meter from spawn>auto canon camping on the edge of map instantly takes out my turret rotation, sets fire to my engine, kills my gunner and drivercan they just fucking nerf these things alreadylmao they wont because the russian paypigs would fucking firebomb them
>>539767514
>>539767514>>539768461i like the headcanon that this and alaska are russian made fake towns to simulate an invasion
ifw?(I'll never crew it. Only got it for the research bonus)
>>539768872rape everyone and leave
>bf6 has cv9050, 2a4 revolution, super tigre had, gripen e, f-16v, pak fa and f22>snore blunder has a cock in the ass
>abrams>hit LITERALLY anywhere>turret ring destroyI cannot wait to be done with this horrible fucking tree
>>539770020>cry about Soviet fantasy vehicles in WT>cry about that shit not being added at the same time
>Snail nerfs AA on ships>Introduce ships with AA missilesI guess you cant have airplane fun in naval battles...
Be honest here, would you mind the longer queue times if meant the BR range was smaller?For example if you are searching 8.0 GRB, the BR bracket would be 7.7-8.3, one rating above, 1 rating below the median.
does the one undertiered F8F also get to punch WEP infinitely right now
>>539770624IRL it would be a guaranteed shell shatter zone for anything equal or worse than 3BM42, since apfsds does not bounce, hitting anything but a perfect bullseye on the center would have the rod dig into the top or bottom plates, half pen, break itself apart, the half shattered apfsds would bounce upwards or downwards and end up lodged into the opposite plateAnd the center of the turret ring itself is missing armor, should be ~200mm
>>539771183This is being suggested and discussed since 2015. Just learn to play against stronger opponents and stop coming with coping suggestions.
>>539771624>just learn to playno, im retarded
>>539767514What I like about the American desert or any real urban map is that you can't really corner peek because of infinite anglesThe problem are the maps with only 2-3 lanes.It doesn't matter if it's a smaller city like rhine or a big empty map.When everyone has to funnel into 2-3 locations to move up, it's terrible.After the initial brawl is over, the match is already decided because the winner will just take a good position to camp the choke point.They are basically just War Thunder's version of Metro.
>>539768872you can commit war crime freely in it
>>539771624nah I will just leave after one death if its uptierbut really the real problem is just BR compression7.7-10.3 need to be stench out the top tier for ground need to go all the way to 13.0 at this pointso you can move shit up
DM33 is such abysmal dogshit idk how these niggers expect you to use it at top tier
Nice of imrpoving the effects, now mind fixing IR not locking onto helis?
>>539774249not a bug comrade
>>539774249https://wiki.warthunder.com/collections/feature/ircmbro...
>>539771183I could wait 5 minutes if I could pick which specific maps I only want to play.
>>539722867stop being racist
>>539774249>100-200°C engine temps on helis (and props)>600 all the way to 2000°C, with the exaust plume going even higher to 4000°C at full burnerIts realistic, the problem is the current model of stingers being actually the FIM-92J with regular IR seeker and no DL, we are missing the actual AIM-92K with IIR seeker and data link
>>539693759>mediocre armorlololololololololololol
active matter drops not working yet. blyat
>>539775769the decal is pretty cool, pz3 J is already in the TT so it's just a collectors vehicle
>>539771624if I'm queueing for GRB and it's serving me uptierslop I'm leavingnot gonna waste my time on that
They should invent a Germany player who doesn't own the turm III
>>539775769>>539775949they start in 2 hours and 3 minutesif you want to put in background a streamer that will make a long stream watch [/spoiler] TEC [/spoiler]
>>539776989>[/spoiler] TEC [/spoiler]epic fail
>>539776989i fucked up
>>539775769is that game any good?
>>539777181>snownigger jank>goodTake a guess
>>539776989you can just select the words you want to spoiler and press ctrl+s
>>539777181imho extraction slop will never be good, but if you like things like tarkov is basically that + the AI monnsters gimmick
>>539777181Gaijin game without tanks or planes, what do you think?
>>539777254thanks
>>539777181Tarkov is bad as in putrid poo poo shit cacaThis is a tarkov clone so...
>>539777417>without tanks>xe doesn't know
>play usa>lose every game, die all the time, stats take a nosedive>play ussr>high win rate, very good k/d ratioWhy is this?
>>539777869you have more fun playing russia so you perform better
gunpods for the BF109 K-4 or no?
bushes update when?
>>539779556As a bush user, I believe bushes should be removed and everyone reimbursed.
I have a confession bros...I like Warthunder...
>>539779724which nation do you play
>>539779665I've also been saying this. Take the bushes away and give me money, but until that, I will just abuse them.Though abuse is too big of a word, I think.
>>539779724
>>539780039most of them besides israelI have gotten furthest in the UK and German tt though, right now I am playing German air and will soon unlock my the first 7.0 ME 262
>>539780462Israel has some fun vehicles though.
>>539780693It does, but I've only got the Sakeen, the TCM-20 and the M51.
>>539779665This, I have a 6-pack bush from back in the day and I fucking hate how bushed up tanks look but I can't just not use them because they're so OP.
IFW?
>>539782378Food for vietnam jets. I only use the narwhal but even that faces a good amount of them when ameri paypiggies have their 6.7-7.0 line-ups. Don't even bother with the rocket upgrades that let you get slightly faster off the airfield at the exchange of 0.3BRs.The quadron one is alright just because it gets so many guns it negates the german 20-30mm nerf, but it's still a me262 at 7.3
>>539782378world's first operational jet fighter ofcourse mhm
>>539782378absolute cock torture even when spaded
>>539782962>>539782997>>539783083>first game in it>60% of my team is the ME 262 with the 50mmI got 2 kills. The 30mm hit HARD but their velocity is wonky.
>jeet's lost the Rafale's back with their skirmish against Pakistan due to the jeet pilots communicating over an open frequencyI fucking CALLED it, I knew it was indian incompetence.
>>539784649source
>>539784649does radar give a fuck if you use open comms or not?
>>539784649sneedthunder?
>>539784649
>>539783737>60% of my team is the ME 262 with the 50mmshitters still haven't finished the BP challenge, will return to normal in a few days262's have been getting fucked especially hard since slavebeast-15 and mutt-86 downtiers along with mutt-80C currently having infinite WEP but still, Jabo is a straight upgrade with it's airspawn and two bombs for ticket draining/GRB niggery at the same br, just get that instead. And I don't know what that first retard anon is smoking but C's can turn the boosters on and off whenever you want and they let you get away with shit a normal 262 would only dream of, too lazy to open the kusogame but I'm pretty sure I have like 7-8kd with both of them
isn't it weird how the spiteful isn't in this game yet
>>539779526nojust say no to the 109K4last 109 worth playing is the G6
>>539785435>SAAR WHY IS BLOODY BASTERD MACHINE BEEPING SAAR?
I was in a match yesterday where a guy got a nuke in a Turm III in under 2 minutes on abandoned factoryhe just drove straight to B from south spawn, past it to the big grey building and farmed 9 people moving to the factory area on Athat never happens when I play Turm III :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCdlW4EgKIwI love that people now do autistic speed running in WT
>>539786441>BMD-4such a negrowagon man
>>539786571Can BMD-4 adjust it's suspension like the BMP3?I love the BMP3 since you can get like -12 depression in it
>>539786441gotta make your own fun when the core game loop doesn't get a single update in 11 fucking yearsstill cannot comprehend how a*ton hasn't gotten a single pipe bomb delivered to him
>>539786702IDKall the autocannon BMP's are under-tiered cock destroyers
>>539786702Yeah
>>539786308I drive west up to the building in the middle just east of the railways to redeem B-rushers, they're always distracted by the hill bot conga.
>>539786702yes
look at this mess what should i be grinding
>6 hoursew
>>539786868I was rushing obj 685 up the C railtracks from south spawn to the pile of coal right outside north spawn then shooting across at ppl going to Ait seems like it'd be super strong position but I pretty much always get gaijined there for some reason
>>539786992You should be grinding the Tank destroyer line
>>539786992just give up
>>539786992Obj. 268, ZSU 37-2, T-10M, 9.3 shilkawouldn't care about the rest
>>539786992You should not be grinding ever.
okay yeah the ME 262 is not fun in any form of uptieralso>30mm HE shells>(hit)fucking game
>>539786992what the fuck is thiskill yourself
>>539786992Seek ADD treatment.
>>539786992>0 spaded vehicles
>>539787681you can see how I've been playing the game since like 2015 but only play for a month every year so the tree has gone through like 20 re-arrangements in time away so I have shit all researched but not bought inaccessible areas :/
>>539787950this nigga buying brakes on tanks
twitch up. get day of premiumhttps://www.twitch.tv/warthunder_esports
>>539787158tank destroyers are fucking gay
>>539786992why dont you show your bremium line up?
>>539788083>ups repair cost for practically zero advantage based and true
>>539788084I don't want day of premium.
>>539777181at least go play chink tarkov instead
>>5397870626 fucking hours
I think having to pick premade line up for each nation is way better than having everyone using the same exact planes like before cause it will just be all rafale
>>539787950not my fault the rewards are fucking absolute trashI have 95 kills and a 65% win rate in Object 685 and still have 8 modifications left to research
>>539786702>>539786571BMD-4M2 (BMP-3 on BMD) soon)))
>>53978844695 whole kills!? Damn anon.
>>539788084no, no premium todaythey want you to go watch their new tarkov clone game instead
>>539788132I own:Turm III Somua T-34-57 1943 Soviet M3 Medium (won it IIRC) M2A4 1st armor (have no clue where this came from, never played it) T20 Sd.Kfz. 140/1 with Stuka B2 (pack that was like 3 dollars) Pz. Bef. Wg. IV J T34 747r Chi Nu II Swedish Sherman III planes:Bf 110 C6 (won it IIRC? maybe its event vehicle) Ta 154 Ju288 Russian B25J Japanese Corsair Ki- 100 II G.55S French P47D French Yak3
>>539788975That's like 9 hours of game play time you fucking nerd9 hours of this trash game doesn't even get you a mid tier vehicle fully researched
>>539789276>9 hours for 95 killsAre you for real my man? That's like 20 games max
Is Khalid worth it? thing has 2x the hp of normal Chieftains xD
>watch forsen play active matter>already get shot by aimbot cheaterthis doesnt bode well
>>539789404if you are an autistic nerd with no life that averages 5:1 KD then yea...
>>539789595It's 2:5/1 KD with backup vehicle fren.
>>539779665>>539779556Yes and no. Bushes shouldn't be a GE/legacy advantage, but it should be a module like add on armor. They could just unlock the module for anyone who owned bushes
wtf is with all these larping commie bushniggers in the thread right now
Bros, I think I am in love with the Leopard 2k
>>539791391huh?
>>539791280camouflage was on the roadmap but no mentions of it afterwards
>>539791504>ooh the advantage I've gotten is unfaaair gaijin should chaange thiis no actual bushnigger is doing this shit
>>539791280can't you get bushes for free doing some grind shit?
>>539791902battle pass boxes sometimes have them. Fucking pain to just go for them though because i think theyre at the last tier so unelss youre dedicated to the grind, no shot
>>539791902The WB shop decor box is bushes every other BP season.
>>539791782That's what I say, and that's how I look.
>>539789146Turm III >very good Somua>very good T-34-57 1943>very good Soviet M3 Medium (won it IIRC) >never played M2A4 1st armor (have no clue where this came from, never played it) >never played T20 >was good, not worth now Sd.Kfz. 140/1 with Stuka B2 (pack that was like 3 dollars) >fun but not really worth Pz. Bef. Wg. IV J >boring PIV, ok, not great T34 747r >good Chi Nu II >not worth it anymore Swedish Sherman III >boring Sherman meh planes:Bf 110 C6 (won it IIRC? maybe its event vehicle) >ok since it gets access to a high velocity 30mm gun pod Ta 154 >was SL printer for a long time, haven't used it in forever though Ju288 >retarded trash since even though you can kill 2 bases with one bomb load, your rewards are shit because you always lose the match since the entire team is other JU288s. Also, the guns don't work anymore at all and have been nerfed into uselessness Russian B25J >SL printer, Gaijin never really nerfed the AI gunners on this like they did with other nations bombers so it still can shoot down players sometimes Japanese Corsair>boring SL printer Ki- 100 II >ok, not great G.55S >used to be go to SL printer, it's a 4.7 br plane that was uptiered into uselessness now where you are always on JU288 teams facing F2G-1ggers with no teammates in fighters French P47D >pretty good, not great French Yak3>current SL printer, broken bias retarded UFO gets you at least 3 kills per match EZ
>>539789146>>539788132awogahave more of them since this pic, like MiG-21 BISON, J35XS,Type 90(B), Mirage F1Call f2p btw
>>539792921forgor pic
>>539792676Prove it by posting fully bushed type 94
>>539767514My problem with American Desert is that it's a meme map -- it's an environment that historically never had modern vehicle fighting, nor is it likely to be a place where such battles would occur. If America was invaded, no one would send a bunch of mechanized brigades into some random suburb of Nevada.
did teh funni
>>539793214moist
this camo is only 0.70 GJC I can't wait
so to clarifyyou can't untrain air crews to avoid this shit rightlike what are we doing here
>>539793697Imagine trains with those.
>>539793697very brahmin my good sir
>>539793109show hours, holy shit>>539793214Yea, it's a playground sandbox kidz map. We're gonna go to de american suburb where you will rush da point yeeh look at all these artistic props! I'm sure this shit won't get tiring after a few matches!A nevada map is cool, but how it's executed is atrocious. Though most maps in the game don't do it much better either.
>>539787062Just rev up that drop miner and go take a nap or something
Should I play tanks or planes today?
>>539796046play bote game
10.7 premium isnt really worth getting anymoreeveryone already moved to 11.7
>>539793181>>539792676>>539791782I rest my case
>>539793697excellent SIR! You will show enemies mighty and humblness of GREAT Bharat sir!
>>539796448they manufactured the BRs in such a way that 10.7 ALWAYS gets uptiers - primaly to incentivise people who bought them to get the 11.7 nowyou can expect that to happen to 11.7's in 2 years
>>539793181I will stop using bushes when the "Camera from tank gunner sight" is enabled by default.
>>539796796that's not a type 94 you bushless nigger somewhat valid point otherwise, but bush layouts can be changed to work with simulator mode
>>539796796I've spent too much time putting them in the exact same way on all my vehiclesIt's a part of me, now
>>539796982Why the hell would I bush up Type 94? I only use bushes to cover weak spots. If you can negate all my Jumbo armor by aiming at 2 pixel mg port from 2km away, it's only natural I cover it with bushes.
we bussing?
>>539797518>Why the hell would I bush up Type 94?to prove to me that you have the capability to do it. I don't think you can.
>>539797774It's not worthy of bushing up.
>>539798032Righto, people calling for bushes to be nerfed aren't people who own bushes. It's all cope. Sasuga /wtg/
>>539789032there is actually. i got the drops from the last stream but this is a new set of drops. no skin yet though, just boosters and 1 day premium
Move the BMP3/BMD4/2S38 to 11.0-11.7 since they're all relatively modern vehicles that can hold their own instead of them being under tiered.
>>539798143But I own bushes? Can you not see the pictures?
>>539798686You've saved pictures of players who use bushes Have another one! You're never going to be able to procure a picture of someone with a bushed Type 94.
>>539798829This Type 94? By all means keep trying, I have most of all of the tanks unlocked.
>>539799618Big surprise, why didn't you just post this immediately? But that isn't the OG bush sixpack, so keep coping. Bushniggers are a silent minority.
>>539799823Why are you taking this hecking goalpost!
>>539799932I will admit I didn't clarify the goalposts clearly enough, you did everything you could but it wasn't enough for me
What was wrong with russia?
not War Thunder
>be azerbaizani
>>539793758Shoulda just planned your lineup better, sweety.
https://youtu.be/Ua92UKp5eas?t=52>DIRCM grants complete immunity to infrared-guided missiles>missiles with IRCCM, ATGMs, modern FOX-2s, missiles with UV foreground guidance (i.e: Stingers) all get dazzledNot even APS in War Thunder are this effective against missiles.
>>539801620aps is better
>>539801445my nuts bitch
>>539801620this has been in game for months already on the Mi-28NM and Z-10ME, curious how you complain about a feature only after US gets it on a vehicle
>coelian is being buffed based us oldfags need more advantages
>>539793758i dont understand the question
how do people fire their gun with black breech or dead gunner+commander?I constantly get killed by these two things even when I'm using something with a 4-6 second reloadfastest repair time is 12 seconds IIRC with ace fastest crew switch time is 8 seconds with ace
>>539800763they are compulsive liars that have some sort of inferiority complex where they start believing their own bullshit then reality smacks them in their face
German mains really do be like that.
>>539802502I never knew it was 100% effective until Zenturion made a video about it.
>>539802542>open for research on anniversary since everyone and their cat redeemed Maus already
>>539800119I've not paid a dime for these, hence they look mismatched. Pretty sure they got them from battlepass shit. It's why I don't mind monetary refund.I would also remove the hit cam. Because who gives a fuck about bushes if you can fire adjust and hit Jumbo port through them in two shots.
>>539803726unironically good use, french tanks are all sameface so you have no clue what you are looking at unless you know about the roof placement
>>539803726I paid 500ge for these, hence they look great Cope
>z10me got the gnss fire snakes but not the laser guided oneswhy is gayjew like this?
>>539805230It would make sense for EW to be the next major gameplay mechanic to be added into War Thunder. I think they want to have more jammable weapons to prepare for this.
>>539807073ew is bs and doesn't work against 21st century armies anyway
Z-20 when?
>>539807325Yes it does, anything that relies on long-distance radio communication is vulnerable to jamming. America's Excalibur "precision" artillery shells have gotten completely fucked by Russian GPS spoofing, to the point of being, on average, only as accurate as unguided shells. GPS relies on radio trilateration and you can easily ruin this by broadcasting fake satellite coordinates (that are a few hundred meters off) and the shell will steer itself off course.UMPK glide bombs, KAB-50, etc. also get fucked hard by EW as well.
As a relatively new player, bushes and CAS niggers are why I only play GAB.
>>539805230glutton
>>539808575frieren wouldnt do thatalso there has been no combat between 21st century armies yet
>load up the N1K2 to re-spade it after the fire extinguishing system or whatever>still getting matched with F-84s after all these years
>>539809169Ukraine was already buffed up to a 21st century army by 2022
>>539794610i started this god forsaken game in 2012 when just me and about 100 russian pedophiles (including the devs) were in it tho
>>539809835...and other hilarious copes piggers tell xhemselves when xhey cry xhemselves to sleep
>>539810109Don't bring politics in here man, we're discussing the game and the relevant equipment, which Ukraine had by then.
>my preferred flavor of slav subhumans le good and 21st century>your preferred flavor of slav subhumans le bad and 19th century>you're the one bring politics up btw
Let's see Paul Allen's numbers.
>>539810665afk time doesnt count
>>539810789damn like half of my hours are AFK timei'm >>539809983
>>539808575Only China is a 21st century army
>>539810789>>539811370Doesn't show statshark for me.
>>539810789>>539811370>I have 150 days of playtime OUUUUUGH
>>539810789how do you have 20000 matches with only 245 hrs playtime?I have 8000 matches with 500 hours playtimedo you play arcade or something?
>>539810789only god knows how many times a day I think about killing myselfI even have 20-25k matches from ye olde days of W*T too
>>539811997Hello, 150 playtime days player here What do you have the most fun with nowadays? I do 5.3 around the TOG II
>>539810789Better?
>>539811459lol
>>5398118122458 hours not 245
>>539812354damn youre a real nigga
It's a new day, how bad will my Air RB go today? More than 2 kills today I hope!
>>539813119Aiming high, huh? I am content with one kill.
>>539813119What are you playing?
dla osob niemowiacych po angielsku
Post good skins.
>>539812248I tend to jump from lineup to lineup but I've been frequenting 7.0 US, 7.3 Japan and 9.0 China lately, plapping planes with WZ and Type 99's HEVT is always a pleasurealso reached 3kd with FIROS yesterday which was niceI like the TOG as well but it's been cock torture these days, today I spawned it on Factory and a fully loaded mutt-47 appeared on top my head before I could make it to the A cap, at least I'm used to J'ing out using the escape menu
>>539813546
>>539813297Gotta shoot for the stars I guess>>539813382>>539732726
>>539813850It's not bad, but I really don't like it much. If you're struggling anyways maybe it'd be good for you to play one of the really undertiered US props around that BR, like the F4U-4.
>>539814275He said good, not nauseating slop.
>>539814346>t. tasteless fag
>>539802798>>539800763That's communism.Anyone who pointed out the retardation got either sent to a gular or a firing squad. Because it's anti communistic to suggets that the proletariat is maybe not the best at intellectual work.
Don't you have a D point to defend on Seversk?
>>539814420t. butthurt piggie
>>539814504>no u
>>539814475No I idea, I don't play on this map.
>>539814025What if I just become an Air Arcade retard, I do well in that
>>539813546Anyone still got a link to that website with them bazed skins not posted on live for obvious reasons?
>>539814504roundel on the stabilizers looks funny, flag where registration number should be, optics pod covered in camo and not in the nose's color, apu color not changed, this is slop
>>539814903vk.com SLASH album-201122944_289158171
>>539813546>missile with supposed irccm gets fooled by a singular flareantelope gotta be the most dogshit sam in the game
>>539813546ZOVL
>>539813560Cool I prefer 6.7 US around the T30 and M6A2E1 but if I had bothered with purchasing the T29 I guess 7.0 with the same lineup would be fine. I don't see what you see in 7.3 Japan? I reckon you have the removed 7.0 german vehicles, they're amazing also.
Is there even a way to remove bush pay2win without enraging the whales? If the majority playerbase couldn't get the APHE changes through despite winning the vote, what chance do we have of solving the bush problem?
>>539815249Kino.
>>539810789>only knew of thunderskill before thisego: boosted
>>539815131only the jew one has irccm for its top missileunless they changed it and i didn't notice
>>539815314Bushes aren't for whales, and those are probably the most mad at them since money can't buy you the six oak pack.> If the majority playerbase couldn't get the APHE changes through despite winning the voteThe APHE vote lost thanks to actual players getting mobilized to overwhelm the lobotomized forum users. Fuck off from here, spanish_aspergers.
>>539813546I love whatever this camo scheme is called
>>539815508>total games 252shitter. Probably squadron or low tier abuser
>>539816186holy cope
>>539816186i only play me solo ww2 props unless there's some monthly decal i can be asked to get with a2a missilesit's a simple life
it's a cool decal
>>539816390it's literally how comparative rating works. the less (rigged) games you have the higher you are. The comparative rating in a game like war thunder only really works if you have more than 1000 battles spreaded around the whole ranks.
>>539815508>be goodbut also only playing props
>>539815314just delete them all and refund GE I think there is enough animosity among the playerbase to just majority strongarm bushnigs into going along with itt. 6pack bush haver
>>539816859here you go, one of the best war thunder players in the whole world>>539816443fair enough
>>539815280I have the T30 too but with 76 Sheridan, M46 and CEV, I just end up uptiering it, maybe I wouldn't have if I hadn't sold my M6 coupon like a gorillanigger also I never ended up buying the T29 and A2D for some reason For Japan, both Hori and Type 99 are cracked, with Hori feeling what Jadgtiger should've been like, and Type just evaporating every tank it sees with the biggest tank HE ingame along with 940ms HEVT and autoloader, ST-A3 and Kikka also work great with STA being a M46 with autoloader and rangefinder and Kikka having the 800kg bomb and APHE rounds that pens most tanks' roofs at that brand yeah the german papers are great, definitely looking forward to Coelian-Terminator kek
why won't gaijin give it apfsds?
>>539817961Why would it need it?
>>539817961racism against chinese people
>>539818016to kill tanks harder2s38 got apfsds that 1. can't fit in the autoloader and 2. was made for another 57mm gun
>>539815314Imo Gaijin should just add other forms of camouflage, like being able to construct a camo net canopy (like you construct ammo boxes) so bushes don't seem so conspicuous.
>>539817214also here are some other meme vehicles I don't see often but keep coming back to>J7W in GRB with ground belt>Delat Torn both at it's own br and at 6.7 with Bandkanon>ZT3A2 fully hulldown>Turan II with -43 kph reverse and buttsmoke>Sturmtiger which is decently common ig>Magach Hydra>AEC Mk II both at it's own br and at 5.3 with shit like Lancaster>BT-7A at 6.7
>>539819343they should add theater fitting basic paint schemes for planes and auto select that shit for people so it looks cool when a team of 109s and 190s has that full white paint
>>539819284But it's an anti-aircraft vehicle?
>>539817961russians are too afraid of china's power>>539819637so is the 2s38 and the lvkv9040c
>>5398192843. "could be made" and doesn't actually exist
>>539819383the ZT3A2 is a lot of fun, I even uptier it with my Challenger DS and other vehicles since the ATGM still fucking slaps people at any BR
>>539819572or at the very least make it clientside bcs you know retards would rather use their shitass esports/anime skinbut all that's impossible to ask apparently, immersion thunder just isn't part of the directors' vision. I couldn't even tell you what they are thinking, its pure krok money grubbing nonsense
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NIGHTMARE
>full downtier in the VK>russian shit coming at me>take out 5 t-34s, some spg and a kv1>finally get killed by a time traveling mutt td in the french tree camping a corner shooting my tracks barely sticking out
>>539819758But OTOMATIC doesn't.
>>539821629
why are shitaly mains so stupid?
is there any good 4.3 / 4.7 / 5.0 US groundoid lineupswhat is this
>>539822293no they all got moved up to 5.7/6.0/6.3
>>539822103But it cannot carry only this round.
>>539822452You can, though.
you'll never guess what special task I have
>>539823174MERE COINCIDENCE)))))))))))))))
>>539823287surely)
How does the dart for the 2s38 perform?I got the first rooikat a couple days ago and really like except for the dart which might be the worst in the game
needful status?
>>539822293they're all good because the CAS is good
Active Matter is so goodTarkov + Stalker, that's an insanely good mix
>>539825468I redeemed the boosters and premium forst because the AM drops are not limited to esport channels.
>>539825253almost exactly the same despite weighing less than half compared to rooikats ))))))), )))))))))))))))). less pen obviously but the shit they can and can't pen are the same
>>539825468acquired this useless extra pz3 J1. left forever to rot unless I play like 1 rank 2 match in the future.Also you cant even put decals on the twitch camo or edit it
>>539819284>cant fit in the autoloader>smaller than proxy fuze shellcurious
>>5398222935.0 is goodThe 5.0 76mm Sherman is the best Sherman M6 isn't bad M24 Chaffee T77E1 M44 M10 CAS use any P47D, I use the 25 Been trying to use the A-26B-10 since it has dual 37mm in the nose and 4 1000 lbs bombs but it handles too poorly for groundRBF8F-1 is good too but they completely fucked win loading so when you drop a wing bomb with this plane its really easy for it to spin out of control and crash into the ground right after you drop
>French Helldiver: Rank III>Thai Helldiver: Rank III>American Helldiver: Rank II
>>539827595is that Anton checking his bank account?
>>539827595>premiums vs tech treeracist?
>>539827595>Americans really look like thatbig yikes, corn syrup is a real motherfucker
>>539822604You can't. You can only have 15 of them in the secondary rack.
you will never guess what's his main nation
>>539829352the picture gives it away, Germany
>>539825468Redeemed
>>539827595Meanwhile.
j8b rape machine
>>539829308Let me guess, you need more?
>>539829451he's a russia main
>>539830372Ah yes... a memer playing russia with a meme name poking fun at the cyrilic alphabet for the unfortunately similar/same acronym for a garbage modern fetish.
>>539830372Oh, so it's VVS and it's just your sick hypno'd brain reading it as something else. I thought he might be a bong maybe.
>>539830618it's clearly latin doe>>539830735don't know what you're talking about
>>539831103Cyrillic is basically greek text coopted for slavspeak with more letters added for the different language.
>The Fuchs JAGM is the world's first vehicle equipped with 24 vertically launched AGM-179 Joint Air-to-Ground Missile (JAGM) or AGM-114L HELLFIRE Longbow guided missiles from Lockheed Martin. In combination with its state-of-the-art sensor package, it can detect and engage multiple threats on the battlefield at any time. The Fuchs JAGM is thus capable of engaging up to 24 battle tanks, as well as air targets in rapid succession without reloading.>JAGM is a multi-sensor missile that can also be fired in ground-to-ground and ground-to-air applications. The missile has a range of up to 16 kilometres and features a tandem shaped charge fragmentation warhead. The JAGM's multimode seeker, which has been proven in numerous flight tests, features an improved semi-active laser sensor (SAL) for precision strikes and a fire-and-forget millimetre wave radar (MMW) for moving targets in all weather conditionsIn short, when.
>>539831432>TOR except specifically designed for ground targets instead of "it can do that we guess"But why?>gay little parascope guiding a vertically launched missileHopefully never it's going to genuinely ruin the game.
>>539831432china made something similar a decade agowhy is the west so far behind?
>>539825468can you change the gay camo it has on it? would be fun to cram in my lil 2.7 line up
twitch drop tanks is so fucking cancerous and is only another sign of the continued descent into WoT/war gaming territorythere WILL be twitch drop abrams and leopard 2s within the next couple years complete with fantasy styles
>>539825468it's an eyesore
>>539831432you're late hans
When update? I want to powergrind the Oplot as soon as possible
>>539833520what dis?
>>539832858where have I heard this one beforeoh waithttps://youtu.be/JTIifnBjZyI
>>53983373440km tank rapeno need for line of sight with man-in-the-loop tv guidanceit can be paired with a separate fire control vehicle but it's not necessary tho it'd be funny to have multi system tank destroyers
>>539833734a one off vehicle at a chink defense expo, just like 90% of the other slant eyed garbage posted herejust chinese companies doing anything they can to try and secure contracts from the PLA that will never be fulfilled or cancelled after 10 vehicles are delivered at most
>>539834437>a one off vehicle at a defense expomost tanks in the game are exactly that
Is there a reason to choose a T29 or T30 over the T34? Is there any volumetric memery going on with the premiums? Because their pens suck compared to the T34
https://youtu.be/62I6yaUriAY
>>539835196About time the Japanese tree got it's own T-80.
>>539835196Most Racist Tank Alive
Z-11WB when?>cm502kg>ag300>ft-9 rocket propelled bomb>ldircm
F3H is coolIn a downtier it'll be the fastest thing in the match plus it can turn really sharp ONCE at high speed which lets you kill niggas who think you can't follow their full D turn, just don't get baited into prolonged turnfights; also it gets 4 missiles which are usually shit but can be good in the right circumstances
>>539835880that would require anton to reduce the br of the z-19 and z-10 to put it before the z-10me but he won't do that because of the ty-90)))))))))))
>>539835149They're all handheld, so they have that.
The mutt tree fucking SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS>inb4 play hide and sneak sniper teehee :3THAT'S THE ADVICE FOR ANY TREEALSO NO FUCK YOU I WANT TO BRAWL, BUT THE ONLY BRAWLER IS A RETARDED 75MM SHERMAN THAT NEEDS TO PLAY DIRTY TO GET KILLSFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
^shitter
>early stabilizers>good frontal armor>future HEATFS cars in ww2>gets jets the earliest>bomb loads of bombers in a fighter>2nd best reload>huge varied arsenal>numerous future additionstruly the incarnation of gluttony
>>539838083pic unrelated?
75mm Shermans are pure brawlers. At long range they will always lose to long-gun Panzers and tiny-weakspot T-34/KV
>>539837493kek, based schizo
>>539837493>>539838609>STAB
Anons when is the next tank needful? Last one was the fat M18 i think
>>539841786Last year the article dropped on September 26 and the Boxer MGS needful began on October 3.
>shoot iris at rushit chopper>not a single one connectsnot rigged by the way
itt: funny idiot spaa cuckold
smartest spaggotspaa spawn cost multiplied by 10 when?
>my undodgeable niggermissile did not give me a free kill? this is unfair
CASissies acting as if they're entitled to having fun hahahaha
>floating vehicle game
>>539846364i cast 16x cm502 upon ye
Anyone have streams I can watch for the twitch drops saars?
CAS gameWT originates from IL2: Birds of prey, a game about shooting ground targets from a plane, with a CAS plane on the cover. the original pre-ground air maps were centered around CAS to win, with a side dish of air combat (fighter sissy slaves protecting their CAS masters)once ground was added, air was abandoned, the new air becoming grb, where winning is decided by CAS
>>539849081vro your miner?
9040C or 9040 BILL?
How do you think they will model crew discomfort affecting tank performance?
>>539850297what is the difference? i don't play swiggers
>>539850381C has better shells and spall linerBILL has a top-down attack ATGM
in for what???
AHEMwho is your favorite WT youtuber?
>>539850349>be T-34 crew>half of you get beaten & lacerated to death before ever reaching the frontline in the Ivan Wiggler for being bad and naughty kulaks who don't deserve any form of crash protection>the other half dies when one of you accidentally stomps on the faulty fuse of an HE shell in a floor stowage box that rattled open because there's no turret basket>the engine and transmission spontaneously explode afterwards for no actual reason killing the entire follow-on scrapping crewthe absolute state
Is there a reason why US mains play like such absolute pussies in this game?
>>539850297I haven't played the BILL but that missile sucks a*tons cock on the 8.7 shitbox, doing next to zero damagealso too lazy to check but it also has a shitty stabilizer iirc
>>539851073what BR?
>>539850770rape machine back in 2015 that's still a rape machine if you know how to use it
>>539851259what's the difference between it and the regular research tree tank?
>>539850964Dollarplays by a long run. Spookston is nothing short of a little faggot.
>>539850964dollar, justin, lee, joob
>>539850964probably BPA_Jon or Turny
>>539851381I think it has faster turret rotation
>>539850964justin
>>539850964Alcoholic slampig addict, also kinda into Polar latelyDollar was cool when I first found out about him, but him posting the same 3 le funy clips got way too stale
>>539851909Phly?
>>539850770it's one of the lowest BR long 50mms in exchange for having kinda flat beans armor but if the IV F and F2 can get away with it so can the J1. You're a bigger slower tracked Puma at -1 BR, flank and spank. If you get a taste for it, the L and M are the same thing in exchange for a +.3 BR bump each with 20mm of spaced frontal armor and sideskirts & a cupola MG added respectively to each iteration. Nice to have in the Me 410 Rank III task backdoor slumming zone.>>539851381there is none or shouldn't be, it's just some really ugly esport nigger camo
>>539850964Dollar is the only one i like desu, i also watched a dude called PanzerPaw because he is complete trash at the game and it gives you an insight on the average warthunder player
>>539851170ty fren
>>539852057ye
>>539851170BILL missile used to be the goat, but it's been ruined by the nerf to the launcher. That is, you need to be on flat ground to guide it properly, if not, the missile will just ram into the ground or launch into the air.
what tanks allow me to experience ultra violence?
>There's no Russian bias guys!>Rank III USSR just happens to be on the winning side 95% of the time, and it's sure as shit not due to player skill.
>make up blantant lies
>>539856275>want to play my "rare" german 6.7-7.0 vehicles>the absolute worse fucking br to play the game at with the worst nation to do it
>>539856275>USA almost 49% wr at top tierUHHH ANTON? QUICK, DROP ANOTHER TOP TIER PREMIUM!
>>539850964Daebom
>>539838083>get all of this shit>>539856275>do almost as bad or worse than Germs who're held back by first treetards and spics and the odd wehrb chigger at many BRs except muttheavy spam handcrushing 6.7 land where the germs are also getting extra raped or the 4.7 T-14 oasis>this carries over to every other mode with superprops at 4.7 and psychotically overarmed PT boats just out of cuckstal reserve and automachinegat destroyers and-something has to be done about them
Good mornyan /wfg/. Time to rail some lines and play 5.7 germoid grb
vehicles for this feel
>hop in shits to finish the mackensen grind (missed the first needful so I need to do the last one)>something seems off about the best player on my team and he's in a ship I've never seen before (just a chappy clone)>chinese name, must be a hacker>gets fishier as game goes on>literally 1-shotting magazines in the first salvo or crew killing enemies by shooting the same place repeatedly>look at player profile>almost 4000 naval RB battles>apparently rank 20 according to PvP rating, whatever that means I've never even seen that stat beforeUnpunished hacker because it's Shits or the only legit skilled chinaman in the game who happens to like the worst game mode?
>>539860969Gotta play the only reason they are still a country
>>539856275Wow 6.3 sucks for just about everyone other than the US, even the 50% bongs are at their lowest there.
>>539861164As an aside, the ship he was using is actually the premium chappy for 6k GE.
>>539861354>6.3But I thought the Pershing saffered specifically because it had been pushed up to this BR and then just beyond it? I don't understand. were muttoids lying to me?
>>539850964OrangefanI like how he crashes the fuck out every time he dies no matter how justified it was
saars?
>>539861674That's the saddest fucking thing.
>>539861164>>539861598>chink doing unreasonably well and achieving impossible shots on a constant basis killing everyonewhy are you asking this question? You already know the answer. It's a chinkbot cheating an account up for resale and using naval prems to do it.
>>539856275>russian bias is rea-
If you aren't in a squadron yet, join LowIQ by reading the squad description
>>539861650You’re not looking for a serious answer but the pershing does in fact suffer, the three straight upgrades to it sitting at the exact same BR do not
>>539861978>-100 social creditThe chinese would never.
Its like artI regret buying the bismark, i hoped people were overblowing how fucking stupid this rank was. How wrong I was.
would hitler be able to win the war if someone from the future went back in time and hand their eggheads a leopard1?
>>539863332No he would put a massively unreliable engine and transmission in and then load it up with armor
>>539838083all this and sub 50% win rate
they only really need enough to win the stalingrad and moscow they were already winning in everything up to that point anyway but we wont have commie cold war kino afterward
>>539861878ay, free shit is free shit nigger don't h8
>>539863332As vulnerable to even 14.5x114mm as Panzer IV.
>>539863332the answer to your bait question is more questions like when? under what conditions? They might spend a whole lot of time carefully picking it apart for reverse engineering purposes, and substantially less time going>oh, this is what 20 or 30 years of experience with tanks looks like? man we're fucking retardsand start iterating on existing designs & technology using the knowledge gained from a general examination of its proportions and the proportions of its subcomponents. The material science is probably not going to be there to recreate it outright with any immediacy in the mid-'30s, while midwar it would be disruptive to try and force into production. They might be able to make a Temu version of it, relatively immediately or after substantial efforts made, contingent mostly on weight bearing components and a suitable engine since there are suitable if heavier 105mm high-velocity guns to sub in. Interleaved suspension jank might be avoided as they see how simple doubling is the way, but Kniepkamp was a stubborn retard regarding that fact even after examination of the T-34. More valuable than the MBT itself or its specifications will be the knowledge gleaned from those things.
Man changs are getting very obvious with their bullshit cheating I have a feeling they are trying to get accounts done before they might have to bail after some of them reported to game to authorities.
>>539863708Has been done once, 18 months later the Russians entered Paris...Germany was losing in 1938 and any further discussion is not War Thunder.
which tiger 2 is better?
>>539866951The one you can't get anymore.
>>539866951The diesel one
>>53986695110.5 (better gun, shittier BR) or the premium (No engine nerf).Out of the normal ones, the (H) variant is miles better. You'll still get penned like a PzIV in 4.0 because amerimutt niggerbunkers and HEAT-FS, but you'll maybe bounce or tank a shot or two.
>>539865858>authoritiesThey don't really care. Nothing's going to happen over a single export product in foreign service. It will come in a future update eventually where China gets a minor like Singapore - even the most rabid Changs would be pacified with that.
>>539866951it's actually sturmtiger
>>539866951The two that never existed.
>max uptier in 9.3>the 10.3 people on your team are all 1 vehicle nigger i hate it
>>539868503dont forget>10.3 people in enemy team are all squadded up sweatoidsbonus points if chinkrune usernames
how will Active Matter's unavoidable success affect WT?
God i love the type 10full reverse gear and just zipping the fuck out, using the suspension to get depression over the back because armor is for the weak anywayi can't wait to paypig an entire new crew up to max just for the oplot boys
>>539871357depend on how good the anti cheat in that gameyou actually lose progress by dying to aimbot wallhax chink cheater compare to just dying in WT
>>539872197Isn't it just a looter shooter, suppose i should turn on a stream
>>539872280isnt it tarkov clone?so extraction shooter
>>539872339yeah my bad, got my genres crossed
>>539871357>unavoidable success
>>539872339>>539872280retard here, what's the difference?
>>539875875It's impossible to lose progress in a looter shooter, but in an extraction shooter, you lose everything that is on your person when you die.
did they increase laser rangefinder from 9999 to 19999?
yes pidor!
Come the infantry update with mixed infantry tank battles, there needs to be features for every tank with exposed or optionally exposed crew to be able to fire infantry weaponsLike any tank commander can pop out of the hatch and fire an SMG, or the useless guys on milk trucks should have rifles and machine guns
>>539835149T29 has overpressure, as such it always one shots
>>539832858>another sign of continiued descent>have existed for over 5 yearsnigga take your meds the game is dying through other means
I love having depression!
10m shot3BM60
>>539880907volumetric ))))))))>queue image of KV1 1942 with 600mm of turret armor
It's Sunday /wtg/
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>>539882414
>>539882414Just use the stugs and the jadgpanzer IV. The hetzer is shit.
>+40 days for a fucking saleFuck you Gaijin
>be 75mm jumbo>shoot at the hull of a Concept 3 angled 40 degrees>"Hit"KYS KYS KYS shitty fucking tank fuck
>>539882414The Hetzer is mostly fine, you can sometimes bounce shots, but you'll still get fucked if you get uptiered (just like every tank in the game).
>>539832421yes you can exclude it and it has normal camo types, but the TD pink camo itself cannot be edited
update october 7
I'm really beginning to see why some people lose it on teammates in chat now. When they just become such a hindrance that they actively degrade the function of everyone around them.
>>539880904Now you can be like every other Sturer Emil player and hide behind a hill at the back of the map all game
Game needs more JF-17s
>>539882414hope enemies don't get around your back or sides, because even 50cals can pen those
>>539850964Oxide, sadly
https://youtu.be/eSssUrMtxhs?t=241>Phly has to play whack-a-mole with tanks because he didn't bring enough sabot rounds for the OTOMATICYou don't actually need many proxy rounds with the OTOMATIC because ground targets are your main threat.
>>539890582truth nuclear missile silo
the ZSU-23-4M2 truly is fucking diabolical when it comes to swatting cas monkeys out of the air holy fuck
>>539890582i like how pakis call it joint fighter 17 but chinks call it fighter bomber china 1
>>539892842>Shilka vs WW2 propsnot handheld btw
should I try active matter?its not free for some reason
>>539893549also fights post war jets :)either way, die casgroid die
>>539850964TEC, just because he delivers all the news. Even leaks and community shit. That's all I care about.
>>539893549basedall missile SPAA should be lowered by 1 BR, btw
why is anton so generous lately?
>>539894596Anon... do not trust him. He is going to build you up to destroy you!>>539893897>Santal at 8.7>Ozelot at 8.7total CAS DEATH
>>539895841i got like 7 of these 50-70% discounts in three days
Gentlemen... I can no longer even pretend.Germany? Germany is the MAIN CHARACTER nation of Warthunder.
>>539896352why would worse sweden be the main character of anything?
>>539896458cope and seethe, swedemutts BOWED to Germany so they could keep their '''sovereignty'''
>>539896506swedish bvlls beat germnigs and won the war singlehandedly
>>539896578source?
>>539896672thor himself told me in a dream
>>539896701>thorJobbed to big J and GOD.
>>539896701understandable
Your top tier teammate today sir
>>539896918still has a 52% winrate because top tier rossiya saffers btw
>>539896352Well yeah. Who do you think invented half the weapons and vehicles in War Thunder?
>>539896918how can you possibly get a .3 kd on the t80 and .2 in the leo?
>>539896352
>>539897552leo is much harder to play than any russhit vaporware
>the twitche camo is ugly and condition locked at 50%>other than that the vehicle is a 100% TT J1 copy-pasteInfinite free backup i guess.
>>539896701I'll see you in Valhalla, Saar.
>>539897696You already have free backups from the battleshit.
can we get that SPAA nerf pleaseinsane how they can be so good at killing tanks
>>539896352https://files.catbox.moe/vyl6by.mp4
>>539897914Because maps are tiny.
>>539882414Hetzer sucks. It's so fucking slow it's useless. JPIV is WAY better.
>>539896918top tier Russia has worst win rate btw those stats are totally legit btw
>>539850964 SlickBee
why can't we get early cw, mid cw, late cw, 1980-1990s and modern age queues in sim at the same time? i don't want to wait five days to play my fav stuff because of the gaynigger rotation
>>539896701you saw piratesoftware in your dream and you didn't consider it a nightmare?
>>539900120winning
>>539900280Is it winning if you have to photoshop Xi?
>>539899608He showed me how it was true by painting a diagram in Paint, after telling me he used to work at Blizzard.
>>539901005Xi mogs with and without edition
>>539901460Hard to not mog with Putin around.
>>539901460i see that the m in moscow stands for midget
>>539901518putin got the defeated beta male stare
>>539900120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pO7BRNdJdc
>>539901650He's an old man, give him a break.
>>539901460>putin, xi and kim shorter then Lukashenkoshould have eaten more potatoes.
>>539901460fuck me how short is monke?
>>539901736the hell's he doing?
>>539902568drawing
Denethor, where are you?!
>>539897976kino...
update when
>>539904019
>>539904019The pattern is 30 days after the first devblog.
>>539904019Never, one can only hope.
>>539882414very good frontal armour can stop the US 76mm and russian 85mm, and gun is still competitive even at higher BR's, but everything else about it sucks
>take out ME 262>have to face vietnam era jetsFUCK YOU GAIJIGGERS
>>539906303tbf you would just crush everyone else if you were in the Schwalbe only ever fighting against Spitfires and P-47s
>>539907598>>539907598>>539907598>>539907598>>539907598Make haste, a new thread appeared on the horizon.
