#6590 - Genesys Boardbreaker Editionhttps://www.yugioh-card.com/en/genesys/Previous: >>540173817>Recommended SimulatorsAutomated:●EDOPro (PC/Android): https://projectignis.github.io/download.html●Master Duel (Multi-platform): https://store.steampowered.com/app/1449850/YuGiOh_Master_DuelManual:●Duelingbook (online): https://www.duelingbook.comTag: “/dng/” Password: “vidya”; on EDOPro, specify server.>Useful LinksRulebook: https://img.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdfWiki: https://yugipedia.comProbability Calculator: https://yugioh.fyiStock Market: https://yugiohprices.comDatabase: https://www.db.yugioh-card.comMisc Info: https://www.formatlibrary.com>BanlistsTCG: https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/list_2025-09-15/ (Sep 15/Next Banlist: TBA)OCG: https://yu-gi-oh.jp/news_detail.php?page=details&id=2341 (October 1st/Next Banlist: January 1st)>DecklistsOCG: https://roadoftheking.com https://tonamel.com/competitions?game=yugioh_ocgTCG: https://ygoprodeck.com/category/decks/tournament-meta-deckshttps://yugiohtopdecks.com (ONLY FOR OLD FORMATS)>NewsJP: https://yugioh-starlight.comEN: https://ygorganization.com>Upcoming ReleasesOCG:●World Premiere Pack 2025 (Sep 27)●Burst Protocol (Oct 25)●THE CHRONICLES DECK - The Fallen and The Virtuous (Oct 25)●Terminal World 3 (Nov 22)●THE CHRONICLES DECK - Charmer (Jan 24)TCG:●Doom of Dimensions (Sep 25)●THE CHRONICLES DECK - The Fallen and The Virtuous (Oct 24)●Legendary 5Ds Deck (Nov 7)●Phantom Revengers (Dec 4)●Burst Protocol (Jan 23)●THE CHRONICLES DECK - Charmer (Jan 23)>Events●/dng/ Friday Night Tourney 3 (No Side Deck) (Sep 27, 1900 UTC): https://challonge.com/dngfnt3●/dng/ League Season 1 (Sep 21st, 1930 UTC):https://challonge.com/dngleagueseason1● /dng/ Genesys Stakes (Oct 19th, 1900 UTC):https://challonge.com/dngGenesysStakes
>>540258639>duelingbook added a genisys point counterThank fucking god. The official website was just so slow as fuck to load.
>no pendulums>no linksNot playing your gay ass format.
I don’t want to waste time remembering Pendulum’s ruling
>>540259468Always liked this girl’s armpits
>no Jurrac hit>Miscellaneousaurus 75At least that leaves some points for handtrap after including 1 Misc
>>540259468I want to fondle her breasts everyday.
>>540259468>Free Rhongo>Seventh Tachyon/Ascension at 0 pointsYup it's gamer time
>>540259468Nearly all my go-to low power decks are dead but K9VS is free good job guys All I've got is Ghoti
>>540259880just play the FK version misc is way too expensive
Is anyone who isn't a shit tuber hype for the new format?
>>540260373I've spent the past day pulling my hair out trying to make decks that aren't shit so yeah I'm pretty hype
>>540260373I've seen plenty of people hypedAlthough those are mainly the people who haven't seen that K9VS is fully legal yet and think we're going back to HAT format power level
>>540260287Nah, I love summoning double Astero (+ another Astero in GY) off 1 StegoThis isn’t about efficiency I just like that kind of play
>>540260456>>540260572why you lying?
>>540258639>spheres, lava golem, DRNM and slayer are 0P>eclipse, raigeki and dark hole are worth points?? why
>>540260848raigeki and dark hole are board breakers
>>540260995and ra ball isn't?
>>540260995… that can be responded to
>>540261059can't really be a "board" breaker if it can only break 3/5ths of a board
>>540261158what deck are you playing in genesys that ends on 5 boss monsters
>>540259468Made for level 1 dark insects.
>>540261059Ball eats your normal
>>540260373I'm not hyped, I really couldn't care less for the format
>>540260373I see no reason to touch it so not really.
>>540260373It's currently the most played format on DuelingBook.
>>540258639Nigga why did you make a new thread after one was already made and posted in the thread
>>540260373Im pretty hype as a ygo boomer that hasn’t played since dino rabbit.
>>540262146it is currently the only reason to play duelingbook fucking edoshitters refusing to add it for no reason
>>540262435You could just deckbuild on the official Genisys website or DuelingBook then host a no banlist room on EDOPro.
>>540262306You should've pasted your thread link 3 times on top of each other in the post, like the other guy did, instead of just once, then.
>>540262816Who the hell sees a new thread was already made and then decides to post the link to a new thread, there was a 30 second gap between when the thread was made and when the new post was posted
>>540259468>>540259602You will read my Pendulum cards and will be otk by arc crisis once he is legal
>>540263173>>540262816these guys fuck I just know it
>>540263289Laundry confirmed for fucking birds.
>>540259468>trans hypno background Sure.
Dipity reminds me of Giggity.
>>540260373its new thing thats officially supported konami has even started doing blogs again which they haven't done in like 10 years
>>540263769>see part of the visible light spectrum>start thinking about troon's genitals
So does the Yugioh franchise exist as a work of fiction in the OCG Structures universe?
>>540263820When was the last time they did it?
>>540264464they used to do post about banlist decisions after getting backlash for one they stopped doing them and just completely stopped talking to the playerbase
>>540264632which banlist was it kek
>>540264316How many layers of meta is it to have a branch of a fictional work have its root as a fictional work in universe? It sounds like some kind of unsolvable recursion problem.
>>540264795not sure which one but it was probably one of the MR4 ones i think firewall dragon was involved
>>540263585Is this card related to Droll & Lockbird?
>>540265038Purrely the goodest boy
>>540263793What the fuck is this card for besides maybe creature swap
>>540265382can't tell if you're meming or unaware
>>540265382>Light fiendYou already know
>>540264316No. But Duel Monsters does
>>540265382primite yubel fiendsmith
>>540265240No, its name is SPEAK.
>>540265240No, its OCG name is "Speak" in engrish. Supiiku.
>>540265382unexpected dai is full fiendsmith combo
>>540265483Completely unaware, only got back into this for genesys announcement >>540265582Undortunate
>>540265734It's a LIGHT Fiend so it can make Fiendsmith's Requiem and there are tons of searchers for Normal monsters
>>540265734How long were you gone?
>>540265884Since Rescue Rabbit got limited which was like twelve years ago
>>540265848What is the in game reason its a 4 star
>>540266090Were you a regular /dng/ poster?
>>540266090>like twelve years agoholy shitbro left in the middle ages and returned in WW2
>>540266238rank 4 access presumably?
>>540252601Ragnaraika Chain Coils.
>>540266238Rank 4 access, I guess.
>>540266337And Chaos Angle.
I don't play the TCG so I don't care about the format. I just want to play the game and give a fuck about points
>>540266238Normal monsters are just a bunch of relevant traits these days since that's the only thing you can do with them due to them having no effects.
Why on earth Arahime is 30 points, but Ohime is at 0Who the fuck is playing Arahime in a Mikanko deck? Arabasque point cost makes sense, the board breakers make sense
>>540266709This has to be a mistake right? Like they hit the wrong ritual?
>>540266560We should be somehow forced to play a pile of normal monsters, none with the same ATK and DEF stats so you don't just stack with multiple 2000 beaters
>>540266332Genesys seems fun so came back. I used to do a lot of in person ygo stuff with dino rabbit and might go to stuff again if I can think of some fun decks. >>540266280I wouldn’t say regular as in like daily but I frequently helped people with deck building and theory crafting stuff. Still opened product on and off but haven’t really played besides the vidya games like Link Evolution. Happy to be back>>540266580Brutal
https://hayupipipipi.booth.pm/items/7455043
>>540267090Which card is this?
>>540267283Genderswapped
>>540267559Why does a man need to wear boobplate?
>>540267642Looks more like stained glass-colored armor.
>>540267090>out of stockIt's over.....
A banlist in which only DM / GX anime archetypes are allowed.That's the dream. But BEWD probably dominates.
>>540267886you can literally play GOAT right now
>bans linksMy Favorite deck is a link one so why would I play format that bans it
>>540268365>My Favorite deck is a link oneyou are not human, you are a soulless automaton animating a flesh puppet
>>540268498I'm sorry should I play fusion slop?
>>540268020No, no, whatever modern cards they've gotten to be stronger should be allowed. They tend to be underpowered compared to everything else, but for example they have a real gameplay to the Egyptian Gods that I'd love to use BUT THERE'S NO FORMAT TO PLAY THEM IN
>>540268606you are wasting valuable space and oxygen that could be used on children of God right now
>>540268365Was posting this a humiliation ritual? Pic related
>>540268750>that could be used on children of Godand that isn't you either, kys inmediately
>>540268607Hero is the most obnoxious fucking combo/stun deck in existence why on earth would you want a format where that is meta?
>>540268908unlike you I have a soul and free will
>>540268607Just add those to your decks and find someone to use a Goat deck that'll let you play with them. Yugioh players really need to stop obsessing over specific formats and just have some custom duels sometimes.
>>540268973No you don't
>>540258639Anyone here actually testing out the new format?
>>540267642Dunno, ask the Romans and the Greeks.
>>540269143I've played a couple games with it getting to use an old petdeck and not getting BTFO by the same 4 or 5 cards was nice at least
>>540269239What was your deck and what decks did you go up against?
>>540269397fluffalI don't remember, some new thing I haven't read yet
hosting genesys 100warning: testing cringe
>>540266709>>540266804Shhhhh. Don't let konami know they got the wrong one.ARAHIME IS THE STRONG CARD. IT'S A RECURRING BOUNCE
>>540270662Where? Also don't forget to make the room private.
>>540268909What I imagine hero should do vs what it actually does is such a disappointing disconnect.
>>540270936on casualit's private and tagged with dng but I'm seeing that selecting no pend zones and no EMZ may have borked the rules, if you still don't see it I'll try rehosting with no special rules
>>540270919>strongest card in lore (before the new support)>weakest card irlwhy do they do this
>>540271221how do these online rooms work? How does the game “play”
How to make Gemini equip fire warriors work in Genesys? I love Phoenix Gearfried and his Immortal retrain from the R Structure deck..
Ni hao bitches
>>540271951I didn't look at points value, this is old deck I built when I first found out there was Three kingdoms deck
>>540271442you dont want mikanko to be good
>>540271951lmao you niggers really got fucked without your link crutches
Purple mikanko... forgotten...
Would just switching to MR3 in the settings work for Genesys on EDOPro?
>>540272574I most certainly do
>>540266709>>540266804>>540270919Forgotten...
good games anon, solid showing from fluffalsI'll host again later on after I figure out what can I replace some bricks with
>>540273295>100 pointsif they just wanted to stop that interaction they could have made it 1 point
>>540273464GGsthe only thing I'll say is; just because you *can* run pot of greed doesn't mean you have to. There's probably something out there more suitable for your deck.
>>540273663What was your deck?
Did Tewart save the TCG?
>>540273778just fluffals nothing special
where are you guys testing genesys stuff?
>>540273936Edo apparently
>>540273820And all it took was going back to MR3 and stealing the point system from the boomer games
Is pure VS viable in genesys format? I unironically like the archetype.
Hosting Genesys EU Casual
why is dragon master magia at 100 points, he's alright but doesn't warrant that many points at alldon't they want people to play KANTOOOOOO?
>>540274060>no rock>no ashno
>>540273295I feel like Generaider is better if you just want to turbo VFD.
>>540273820>Paleoboomer came for a heckin wholesome grind midrange resource trading wankfest>Gets otked by VSK9 Based based based.
>>540273464>>540271675
>>540274397read the op
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itHbrX-bz2E>most hated>asuka>not crow or soulburnerThe hell is this guy smoking
>>540274995Why is she hates? She’s a top tier yugi girl
gensis banlist
I like Traptrix and Evil Twins
>>540274995I'll save you some time and say that the guy is saying that she's the most hated character by the writers, which isn't true either, but waifufags will waifufag.
>>540274995Crow and Soulburner are at least cool characters and they're only hated because of schizo theories. Asuka fell off HARD during the tag duel episode and Arc-V kicked her down harder.
>>540275353Source?
>>540275353sue is too low and no hit to razen is weird
> Evil Twins is one of the most popular decks>can't use any of the non-deck monstersgreat new format
>>540275353>schwartzchild infinity and seifert still expensive to useFuck you
>>540275697raye.....
>>540275425>most hated character by the writers. Meanwhile, Sho gets replaced by Johan, Amon replaces Manjoume and Misawa is written out entirely. Don't forget the Bracelet Girls of Arc-V and Blue Angel
>still no hit to shifterput that shit to 60-70
>21 points of every deck needs to be droll because of all the fucking FTKs how are they this incompetent?
cost reductions>>540275553>>540275670page immediately 404d
>>540275427>Crow and Soulburner are at least cool charactersnigga please
>>540275425>the guy is saying that she's the most hated character by the writersThat's not being hated, that's just being a yugioh writer pre-rush when every girl was the designated jobber or useless.>>540275427Again, that's not being hated.
>>540275353implying this is truewhy is VS still allowed to have its consistency cards be 0P when every other modern and ever so slightly decent deck has a 33P restriction on its consistency card, sometimes card(s) (i.e. horus)
>>540275980>>540275353>confirmed they hit the wrong mikanko ritualfucking hell2 years to plan btw
>>540275980Where are you getting this?
>>540275980>droll reductionare they that scared of all the draw stuff?exodia is dogshit even with 3 pots
>>540276110Nobody knows shit about that deck apart from being ritual Yubel.
GG, Anon. I fucked up 3 times in game 3.
>>540275980Source?
>>540276331yeah i did notice, GGs though
>lets see how edison is doing>33 card decks are taking over
>>540276410Could've CL1 Gravedigger's CL2 Raff for Bottomless. Honestly forgot I could Bottomless with Raff, I was just thinking of using her for Gravedigger's instead of using the one on the field in order to thin my deck. Forgot that I could Raff Bottomless even after using the Gravedigger's on the field.
>>540276083They're running under the assumption that no rock severely hampers the deck which is more or less true from what I've seen of the format. They need to crutch off K9 to do stuff and now that K9 is kill they'll be a gimmick-shit deck.
>>540254718he fucking deleted it lmao
>>540260572>K9VS is fully legalI don't really have much experience with K9VS. The K9 player I've interacted with prefers Crystrons. Walk me through this like I'm retarded: Isn't Izuna being 20 points actually pretty harmful to the deck's ability to run tech cards? Ripper's also 20 points, but I'm not sure how much the deck relies on him. Or, is the deck mostly just "Vanquish Soul featuring these dogs that tried to arrest me"?
>>540276127>>540276341there are tools that warn you when a page (in this case the blog, probably, if that's true) changesanon opened the page before they deleted it
>>540274069BEWD as a deck just straight up isn't viable in the format.
>>540276341>>540276127i have ways
>>540276752Never watched it. What did he say?
>>540276860he was just talking about how mathmech would probably be the best deck of genesyshe based this on a circular combo that doesn't work because sigma is broken (in a glitched way not an overpowered way)
>>540276083>tfw Tenki costs 40 pointsI know it's generic and sticks around on field but is that really enough reason to put it at max 2 copies.
>>540276974Glitched only in simulators?
>>540277080not like literally glitched, we just need a ruling to figure out how it worksbecause currently its trying to check an EMZ that doesn't exist
Wonder how trap decks are doing since Lightning Storm and HFD are super costly.
>>540277003it should be cheaper because it's hopt, i can understand RotA being expensive but tenki is a bit retarded
>>540276826Why is schwartzchild still expensive?
>>540277396Lab is slaughtered but others might be ok
>>540277396don't forget that lord of the heavenly prison and trap trick are freeI think they're having a good time, seeing lots of paleo on the DB ladder
>>540277396none of the virus cards were hit so there decent even with the lab hits
>>540260038rhongo is nothing without isolde /summon sorc / the gay samurai link
>>540274068Hosting again.
>>540275979They can only understand their format by the people who understand Yugioh the most.Competitive players.
>VSK9 hit>Dracotail>Rhongoturbo hit>Mystic Mine hit>Exodia hit>minor trap deck hitI assume Dracotail is still the best deck with the hits but what else is top contender? VS probably still lives
https://yugiohblog.konami.com/2025/genesys/first-point-adjustments/>Sigma gets pointsLokks like it just works.
>>540276035God describes hatred in a very different way.
>>540274995Not even the most hated character in either GX or Arc-V
>>540275353>Lyriluscs>Star SceptersHuh, I mean I guess Lyrilusc makes some sense but were Star Seraphs really doing anything? Even as an an engine to shit out Shock Master it seems dicey
>>540277396You aren't thinking deep enough.All the link monsters including Knightmare Pheonix that can remove backroom are gone too.There are certainly decks that still have access to backroom removal, such as Rank 4s with Tornado Dragon, but there's way less ED backroom removal in general.
Being incompetent at writing females doesn't mean they hate female.
>Shifter still 5Lol
>>540278076>banlists every 4-6 weeks
>>540277727I remember there being a gimmick Shark deck that could copy Rhongo's effect with this
>>540278076>demise of the land 0->1>metaverse 0->3i can't believe they already killed the deck i was gonna bring to the /dng/ tournament in october.
>Ojama Duo 0->2>Ojama Trio 0->3Mild kek
>>540278486>Dimension Shifter 5->10
>>540278692Screw them. One of the few cards that gained relevancy because of Links being gone, we should be able to freely usher in the new age of Ojama tokens
>>540276817You're VASTLY overestimating the link, many times I just used it to bait stuff but it felt like an unnecessary step of my combo. Honestly I just wanna summon save, drop maiden to the GY, and start doing synchro / true light shenanigans.. The link was a little plus to guarantee a body and Mausoleum but your cards are tuners, they're absolutely useful on the field and Maiden herself summons BEWD if attacked or targeted in case she remains there.
>>540278771They fear mystic mine stall.
>>540275353>Prohibition 100I suppose that makes sense in a format where you can identify where a player's points are, and just declare those cards. Probably was a Game 2/3 nightmare at 0 points. I still wouldn't go straight to 100, but I guess a floodgate is a floodgate.>Making Droll, Meowls, and Imperm CHEAPER>After talking up how people were getting BTFO in testing by DrollI don't think we're going back to HAT format or anything, but most of the cardpool that's usable is older than Ash/Imperm/Nib/ect. Does Konami not realize that a well-placed Ash is basically a floodgate to older decks?>Shifter up to 10Why hit this specifically and not any other handtrap?You can really tell this is being done by a group with no oversight or review. Some of the changes make perfect sense, and then you have baffling decisions that nobody bothered to think about.
>>540278247>Rank 4sDon't forget this guy.
>>540278076>Prohib 0 - 100>Sales Ban 0 - 100Quite a jump, and for very specific types of cards.
>yugioh gets points updates faster than 40kare you fucking kidding me?
>>540258639So have you been playing any Genesys, /dng/? If so, how was your experience with it?
>>540279464Only because the format is new. It'll slow down after a while.
>>540279467i wasn't but the new point changes seem actually decent so i might give it a try now since VS went from 15P with x3 shifter to 60 from x3 sue and shifter
WHY THE FUCKCKK DIDN'T MAXX C GO DOWN?Its a nice addition to the format but it shouldn't take all of your techs to include 2 copies.You should still have some leeway to play other cards, at least a little. Maxx being 40 or 45 would make it an usable choice, as it stands yeah you're drawing a lot if you get it, but no handtraps so it's not as useful.Still a staple in Toons.
>>540279714>Its a nice addition to the format but it shouldn't take all of your techs to include 2 copiesit's the strongest card in the game, being able to take 2 is generous
>>540279714You playing a Toon deck?
>>540279714They want the value proposition between Maxx "C" and the Mulcharmies to be heavily in the charmies' favor. With the updated points, 3x of all 3 Mulcharmies is 60 points, compared to 1x Maxx "C" at 50. That's not even a thought to process for cost effectiveness.
>>540279467Where can you even play it digitally? DB?
>>540279843Well I used to play one years ago and nothing was really hit for it. Haven't played Genesys since it's not in Dueling Nexus yet and I have to play from my phone, is it easy to join whatever you guys play from my phone?
>>540280023You can check your decks' points on DB and just play them in any other simulator that lets you change the field zone settings.
>>540280087EDOpro does have an android client
>>540258639what cards would you use in a genesys paleo deck aside from TGLG
https://youtu.be/zELdLNI9j_s?si=fV2n7KYBiIImxST8>uploaded 30 mins ago>already outdatedamazing
>>540280087EDOPro lets you change the field settings, just toggle off Pend zones and the EMZ in custom settings.
>>540280294Hey, Yugioh players keep complaining about how slow the banlists come. Get ready for the opposite.
>>540280498its gonna be a complete clusterfuck when every single guide/decklist is fucked every monthfor new players btw
>>540279714maxx c should go up to 100 points
>>540280651we live in modern times anon, no one watches videos more than a week old anymore
>>540280294The Ruler list isn't outdated at least
>New cards for existing archetypes can and will get pointed immediately>Entirely new archetypes are allowed to run free for a bit before getting pointedAssuming we get an adjustment every time new cards are released, that seems like a decent balance between "fuck you buy new shit" and "we want players to feel like they can play old shit". Or at least as decent as we're gonna get from Konami.
a lot of these 100 point cards should've been like 51
>>540280885there's no excuse for new archetypes not getting pointsthey already have the data from the OCG on which decks and cards need to be hit
>the banlists are too many, the hits too numerousFucked up this is something someone could potentially say in relation to Yugioh
>>540281071tbf if it was a banlist for the regular format every month it wouldn't be a huge dealbut having to keep track of the points changing on a million different cards is gonna be very annoying
>>540281036They pre-hit K9 and Dominus Spiral so I'd imagine it's meta decks get hits while Hecahands/Kewl Tune/Doom-Z/Radiant Typhoon do not get immediate hits for obvious reasons
>>540281018just play with 200 points cap, its a flexible rule
>>540280885I'm predicting they're gonna stuff new sets with cards that'll be good in Genesys but dogshit in the regular format.
>>540280885It will probably get messy since the OCG makes most cards and they are not going to have a TCG alternative format in mind when designing stuff.
>>540281272>its a flexible ruleit really isn't
>>540281151Good thing you can just do that digitally. Imagine this being manual, lmao.
>>540280885it;s to test the waters, since the updates are so frequent it shouldn't really be that much of a problem
is utopia.dek good in genesys?
>>540281330Wonder if the OCG will ever get this format.
>>540281578onomatopaira is 33 points
>>540281578Check the points first, there's a new function for that on DuelingBook.
>>540280885I'm just wondering how it'll go when they release actually good cards. If something like JUSH released right now where the cards are overwhelmingly better than what's at the top right now would they pre-hit them (even if just lightly) or let them roam free based on this philosophy.
>>540281728Anything else they use that's hit?
>>540281892Utopic future dracoThat one rank up spell to summon dragonarHope harbinger?
>>540281728But pickup and seventh cards are free
>>540281784They've done that before on Duel Links and Master Duel.
>>540281892every rank up magic is 1S0 is 100astral kuriboh is 3
>>540275353>Already turning into Smogon faggotryThat's a brand new record
>>540281151>Tech cards will be going up and down in points basically every month based on use rates.>The "cost" of running handtraps is constantly needing to adjust your ratios, rather than being banned or pointed high outright.Good. Every inconvenience imaginable to faggots that hold shit in hand like they're playing MTG.>>540281784I imagine there's probably going to be some terrible metas for this exact reason, but if we get an adjustment every time new cards drop, that means the longest we'd have to suffer any format is a month or two. They froze the list at the end of August, and this is just from the last 24 days' of internal testing.It's not perfect, but the pace of updates will help offset that.
>Cards that universally see a ton of play will see their point costs go up. Cards that don’t see any play will often see their point costs come down. Does anyone actually believe this? If they have this philosophy why exactly haven't they been doing this in the regular format this entire time?
>>540282035>S0 is 100wha fuck
>>540282302it turn skips man
>>540282040>Smogon is bad because... IT JUST IS OK?Just play ubers
>>540282147They're probably feeding decklists into an excel sheet or an LLM or something, to check for usage rates vs win rates.
>>540282147Because it's gonna be an endless arms race of finding unfun bullshit until you're left playing Common Charity
>>540282147Because banlists for the regular format are for Rotation, not Balancing.
>>540282420>Ignores major mechanics>Huge banlist oversight>Decks will homogenize eventually
>>540282398oh zexal? I tjought the other F0
>>540282620F is a different letter than S anon
>>540282620Nobody cares about F0Least of all Nintendo
>>540282398my bad
>>540274894I’d rather you tell me, I play YuGiOh nigga I can’t read
>>540282491and this is different?
>>540282923then how will you know what I am saying?
>>540275980>necrovalley not reduced to 33 FUCK
Blackwing core is 35 points.Blackwing core + Dis Pater is 45 points.Blackwing core + Dispater + Infinite Imperm + 3x Veiler is 99 points. Crow won.
>>540275353>Prohibition >Sales ban Fucking WHY
Anyone hosting Genesys? Just made a deck
What the fuck does Radiant Typhoon do
>>540283351because this is a format where calling the right card can just kill your opponents deckalso no links so no easy removal
>>540283438Host it I'll play
>>540283351People called me crazy when I said Sales Ban on this format is utter bullshit
This thing is still 5 points for some reason btw
>>540283447It's this but an entire archetype and not a gag.
>>540275670They obviously want people to play VS
>>540283554Allright let's see if this works, password dng, host SatokoTheCute, EU casuals
>>540283351Cancer cards that can shut down your opponent's entire deck
>>540283846>password dngwe do password vidya herewe put dng in notes
>>540283007I’ll figure it out
>>540282680Or is it?
>>540283824Pure VS without Rock is actual dogshit. Only reason why VS was so strong in this format was because it could heavily fallback on making a retarded autowin board with K9s.
Exactly 100 points. (DB has not updated to latest changes)
>>540283168Does that Blackwing Dragon has tits...?
>>540284376crow is a freak
/dng/ LEAGUE ROUND 4JOIN:https://challonge.com/dngleagueseason1Here's how this works:>4 month long tournament, spanning from the 7th of September to the 18th of January (20 rounds), with the Top 4 Finals taking place on the 25th of January>new participants can join the tournament at any point in time, just sign up on the tournament page>a single round will be held each week>BO3 matches and we're using a very basic leaderboard system, match wins and byes net you 2 points, match losses net you 1 point and no shows give you nothing>2 no shows in a row will result in a disqualification>matchups will be randomized each week, as allowing new players to join all the time messes with any automated round systems>The randomized matchups will be announced in the thread each Monday and the matchups can agree on the time and date of the duel during that week>you are allowed to change decks between rounds>we will be using the most recent TCG banlist and the PRERELEASE card pool>300 second turn timers, no reason for a time limit on rounds as it's only 1 round per week>report scores via DMsCHALLONGE DMs ARE BACK ONLINEThis means we no longer need to rely on the Discord server, but I'm still keeping it around just in case. Here's the link if anyone new joins:https://discord.gg/CM8tYGxS3ARound 4 Matchups>Maelstrom vs Da [COMPLETED]>Unplayer vs Lynex [COMPLETED]>Commonwheat vs Velleity [COMPLETED]>Lacooda vs Porker>Rem vs SGoblin>Getter vs Nyx [COMPLETED]
Wow, Genesys format is getting /dng/ to actually play duels.
>>540284348Minimum is 40 cards chud
porker, are you avaliable to do our tournament match at some point today?
>>540284686I honestly didn’t see mystic mine at all.I only noticed field barrier, looked up the card, and then thought “was he about to activate mystic mine?” Only for mystic mine to be there all along.
So trying to run a gravekeeper deck with genesys, only two necrovalley and 20 points remaining after that alone, what the fuck do I even do
>>540266709>>540266804>>540270919Fucking LMAO, they actually confused the names.
>>540283351>>540283351lmaoing @ you vel
>>540285727Who tf is vel
>>540285887one of our players
>>540285442>all their snippy fag blog posts and they don't mention that they read the wrong Mikankokek, embarrassing
>>540285887
having to keep up with the point costs every month is gonna be so fucking annoyingedo slaves save us
>>540286128>edo slaves save usthey have already refused
>>540286128edo already said they're not doing it, and if i had to guess why, it would be those frequent point updates.
Daily reminder that this card is at 0 points
>GB Rejection: 20 -> 15oh thank god, instead of answering why a meh rogue deck had 4 bogged cards, they respond by reducing the cost of one they don't even play. Lmfao
A Dracotail enthusiast just tried to turn 0 Secretarion dragon my White Forest only to get combo'd even harder by Diabell and company who are Illusions and Fiends for some reason. Funny how that works
It's time to play Dueling Book.
>>540286597noI will use it to make genesys decks and nothing more
>>540286285it's because edoniggers are too lazy to code anything that takes any effortremember clock lizard?
>>540286385Rejection is kino though
>>540286738What happened with Clock Lizard?
>>540286757It's a fun card, not really essential, not total trash, post SUDA it's 50/50 on if GB plays it still or not. Either way it's got a higher cost than Hollie Sue.
I am not looking forward to most Yu-Gi-Oh discourse revolving about this distraction non-format for the next few months.Every week it'll be slop like>Space mambo from 0-47 update?! INSANE implications...
>>540286285Do they even like the game? Or did they make it over a decade ago and now just profit off maintaining the servers up
>>540287025They should make a card that triggers off being summoned by a "Gladiator" card, also a "Test" searcher
gg Satoko, good luck with your Toon deck.
>>540287198There's nothing to talk about, DOOD is a garbage non-set. Current format is good, but it's just last format with the same decks slightly nerfed.
>>540287198The opposite, this makes it a much more lively game.
>>540287198There is fucking nothing to discuss other than genesys. Would you rather have every yugituber making their 100th "master duel sucks" video every day?
>>540287376And at least if you're playing online / already have a bunch of cardboard available it shouldn't upset you to strategize differently ever 1-2 weeks, probably monthly once it stabilizes (VS obviously had to be hit before release, everybody called it). It's just swapping a couple of cards
>>540287259
>>540287569>And at least if you're playing onlinewhich everyone here does? if you wanna talk about physical tcg go to the /tg/ thread
>>540284686mystic mine to 100 and field spell protect to 1. here I fixed it
>>540287198Same here anon. But I've learned long ago that most people here are giga casuals that just want to play other formats.
>>540283554Nice duel, mostly dusting off the Toons but I can see it working if I make it more compact and only focus on the ones that matter probably removing the level 4's.Probably trimming it down to 40 so Fuwalos turn 1 happens more often
>>540287548>he still thinks its a coincidence that every yugituber made a video crying about MD the week before the new format drops even though we know they were told about it in advance
>>540287629>"test" beast monster
>>540287705Right, I mean it should be a bother to keep up with updates.
>>540287918Shouldn't*
I got total doodoo dog water cards out of this megatin but I gotta say I really love this box.Feels cool to the touch, makes a nice metalic sound, has my darling Heroes on the cover, holds my favourite cards.This is my first tin purchase btw. I might start buying tins just for the boxes.What's your favourite tin design?
>>540287779Toons aren't exactly easy to build in my experience with all those high level guys You could consider running some rank 4s or that Harpie Synchro.
Welll they banned my deck after 1 day lmfaooPairadice 67 pointsShifter 10 pointsHollie sue 10 points this format is a joke imagine investing into this format for them to hit your deck within hours before the first event LOL.
>>540288219Only if you're playing meta.
>>540288219deserved unironically
>>540288219lmao get fucked
>>540286870
first>format is a joke because vanquish k9 is the best meta decknow>format is a joke because they hit my vanquish k9 meta deckfucking babies
>Get home from work, check email>Guy I sold my VS core to on ebay requesting a refund even though I already mailed it out>Apparently a new banlist got revealed?I'm not giving this fucker a refund.
I'm just sad they hit lyrilusc. My liyrilusc mimighoul deck is ruined :(
>>540287198still more discussion than the actual game had in like 2 years>when will they kill snakeshit>when will they kill mapiss and gayzeal>when will they kill VSK9 and yummythis game was stagnating and bleeding players
but /dng/ said they'd take months to hit VSK9...?
>>540288743show me one post that said this
>>540288219>NOOO THEY HIT MY T0 META DECK THE FORMAT IS DEAD every tiem
>>540288743/dng/ also said they didn't hit pair-a-dice on purpose though
>be HEROfag>my favorite HERO, Dark Law is SEVENTY (70) FUCKING POINTS>ROTA is 33>DPE is 20>Plasma is 20>even Stratos costs a few points because??????????>also no access to any of the Xtra HEROs because Links and Pendulums are apparently for faggots>all handtraps are still fucking dirt cheap, including Droll which just fucking murders the deckFUCK THIS GAY EARTH
>>540288436Those are clearly different players, anon.
>>540289018deserved hero is a lame stun deck
>>540288219Favourite deck just so happens to be the newest designated shill deck, right
>>540288730This.
>>540288502>buying a meta deck close to banlist time.His fault for being a moron. There's a reason people were offloading it recently because it was gonna get murdered.
>>540288502The "banlist" he was talking about is probably the Genesys update where they finally hit VSK9.Don't refund that tier 0 metachaser.
>>540288730That's because this is like the first time since forever that the TCG has been given a format where you actually have to think about deckbuilding and can't just slot in the same 27 handtraps.
why is pot of extrav 0?
>>540289597it's effect essentially locks you out of playing other pots anyway
>ojama duo 0 -> 2>ojama trio 0 -> 3they think they're really funny
>>540289843they are
>>540289843Fucking OCG had Mask Change II semi-limited for a decade just to make this same joke.
>Trust me bro we been working 2 years in this, thats why we are doing a change in the banlist the next day after the announcementIm waiting for this garbage to destroy itself
>>540288219kys urena
>>540289989>being this salty over pends not being playable they were already unplayable before so nothing changed
>>540290169Urethra
A format that pisses off Pendfags, RUSHfags, Strikerfags and Malissfags all in one go...so frigging...based...
>>540278076OH ONONONON DOOMERTRANNIES?>ha they didnt hit K9VS its le doa!!
Genesys tournament this weekend?
WHY THE FUCK IS LONEFIRE BLOSSOM 33 POINTS? MOTHERFUCKERS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>540290495because predaplant engine is free
>>540289989They get free banlist testing from thousands of players without having to pay a cent, this is completely Konami's style.
>>540289018>my floodgate on legs is expensive>and the generic card is also expensive >and i have to take into consideration deckbuilding restrictions that have been put in place for my decknigga theres like a billion hero cards, im pretty sure theres more to the archetype than turbo out d fissure, skill drain, dpe.why not try and make the evil hero support work?
>>540290495the real question is why are the lab traps plus lady 33 when most of the power traps are also very costly and they just increased trap holic and transaction rollbacks price even more.Whoever's doing the point allocation must really hate fat tits and nice legs
>macro player is a faggotcolor me surprised
>>540290620I would also leave in shame in that situation
>>540290713most waifus are banned for a reason anon....the only one live is the one with 0 skin in the cards
>>540290713Because nobody likes playing against Labrynth
>>540290697yeah they can play fiendsmith evil herobut hero players are faggots that demand to play their dogshit stun variant
>>540290793rikka is free and they all show a little bit...
>>540290978rikka isn't doing shit without sunavalon
>>540290978>rikka is freegood luck playing that without sunavalon
>>540290713Big I understand, Lady and regular Welcome are hit just to make playing the actual deck impossible to build, but catching strays because of Paleo using Rollback/Holic is a lot. Lab is stronger in the real format w/ access to 0 banned cards.
>>540290978plants are nothing without their broken ass link2
>>540291223both tear and kash too
>>540291269:D
>>540290201Isn't the whole point of a lower power format to make bad things better?
>>540291674yes but it doesn't have to make all bad things better
>>540291674the only thing this is gonna do its a return to a old meta, old decks are still absolute garbage and we are the powercreep game
>>540290978>rikka without links
>>540291674>VSK9 still pretty much full power even after the emergency banlist> lower power format
>>540291674pends are a flawed mechanic that isn't salvageable they are inherently a -2 due to needing scales for everything
>>540291918Wouldn't that mean they should be fine to assign points to
>>540291918they just need to print good pend cards not the absolute garbage we get
i still remember when plants used predaplants instead of sunavalon to spam bodies to the field
>>540291674no it's to sell lower tier decks and cards. that's the entire reasoning for this.
ojamabros not like this........
>>540288079You're probably the first person I've heard that likes this tin design.>favorite tin designI love the old Signer Dragon tins and character tins. Wish they kept them from Zexal to Vrains.
>>540291860fwiw now if you play 3 sue and k9 engine your handtraps are a lot worse off, you actually have to choose between them now
>>540292117but most of the current meta and higher tier decks are viable? and random shit like trickstars are unusable?
>prohibition 100>sales ban 100>psi-blocker 61what is konami fearing
>>540291918This isn't true at all. DDD is fine post-support. And there are decks with scale support that aren't really "Pend Decks" but they're now unplayable (Nouvelles, Melodious, RyuGe etc)There's just no reason for it beyond pandering to a demographic that I'm not convinced even exists
>>540292032>Print good pendulums>"omg I knew pendulums were cancer wtf is wrong with this game let me go back to normal summon beaver warrior what's pot of greed do amirite fellow gamers">Print okay pendulums>"wtf why doesn't this deck search half of the deck, draw 6 cards, suck my dick, and file my taxes? this game went downhill since my innocent tears got hit"You cannot win. Konami could have somebody come out and seppuku on camera with a Qliphort Scout, and people would still shit on the mechanic.
pendulum and links both got rejected by casualslet it go anons that new format its not for you
>>540292279The Psychic deck can use Blocker three times over the course of its combo.
>>540292279prohibition hit is for specific stun strategies that live and die over 1 single outsales ban is for rhongono idea about psi blocker
>Trust me bro this card being absolute garbage its pendulum fault and not konami making garbage
>>540292279this is a format with very little access to removal (no links) and a lot of decks tend to rely heavily on 1 card
>>540292518The most frustrating thing about Genesys is that it's exactly what I want from a format, but they cocked it up by sticking their head in the sand AGAIN over a mechanic they refuse to acknowledge exists because of some retarded existential fear over a single deck from a decade ago that wasn't even meta for very long.
>>540292578You don't like your boss monster to be a 4K vanilla with no protection or interactions?
>>540292301i'm still mad that they made my pet decks vaalmonica and nemurelia unusable. Those don't even count as pendulum because you don't pendulum summon at all
>>540292578they wanted the traditional duel field for the new format so naturally pends and links were banned due to needing the EMZ
>>540263498Locals told me no pendulum ED even if they are on the site. I will now play High Alex turbo just like duel links.
>>540292578>Trust me bro this card being absolute garbage its pendulum faultPends are trash so that reasoning isnt lying. Pends just mirror trannies aka garbage abominations.
>>540292076Specter won.
>>540292279Don't forget this is a match format.>See your opponent's high-value cards Game 1>Games 2 and 3 you side in Prohibition/Sales Ban at 0pts each>Declare all of your opponent's high-value cards>Win because they can't play and/or can't stop you from playing.
>>540292761well his deck is banned in the new format so we need to go back to previous engines
>>540292676>becausePeople don't like to read the pendulum cards and the mechanic its complicated , links its just abuse and summonslop
>>540292883>links its just abuse and summonslopEvil Eye passes on Normal Summon. Why can't I play it here?
Genesys is going to be shit. Konami is baiting all the old-time players that hate modern YGO. They'll play a tiny bit and realize it's the same field spam soft-lock bullshit that it has been for 10+ years.
>>540293009evil eye is actually playable without links
>>540293009it's easier to just get rid of everything than having to check every single card one for one.The banlist is already like 200 cards or so.
>>540293147>it's easier to just get rid of everythingthen ban all XYZ too because Azathot exists
>>540293045That's ultimately the biggest flaw of Genesys. You cannot change the fact that many decks are designed to be a sprint to the extra and build an unbreakable board.
>>540293225you can count the retarded broken xyz with your hands. That is not the case with links, and links as a mechanic allows a lot of retarded shit by itself
>>540293009as always its the evil t0 link decks like mapiss and cyberseslop that ruin it for everyone its a shame that low power archetypes like tenyi, metalfoes, ryugay and dinomist have to die because of other obnoxious decks
>>540293392Links were a fucking mistake. What an abhorrent mechanic.
>Pendtroons crying cause they cant play decks they already werent playing in MRlmao
It's very silly to stop people from playing Deskbots or Nemleria.
>>540293390Just put all the 1-card starters at 100 points. Add any card with a protection effect to the 100 point list as well. Fuck it, if the card isn't a hard OPT, add it to the 100 point list too.
just wait the OCG will come up with their own genesys format and will include every summon mechanic
>>540293592pretty sure people were playing deskbots before they got pends
fuck basedtubers
Best Yu-Gi-Oh format is just two players dueling with this structure deck
Meanwhile OCG and Master Duel do absolutely nothing, absolutely zero effect or care. Sometimes it feels like Konami OCG simply doesn't care if the game dies or not, they'll just put the bare minimum effort into it until the very end. Kind of explains how some of the more recent cards look like they have been generated by AI.
>>540293453>its a shame that low power archetypes like tenyi, metalfoes, ryugay and dinomist have to die because of other obnoxious decksThey DON'T "have to" dieThat was a decision that KoA madeLiterally all they have to do is give point values to broken Links like they did with everything else
>generaider unhitwho the fuck thought a deck of level 9s didnt deserve at least ONE point
>>540293790OCG players have RUSH (a better game in every way) to turn to. To them advanced is just buge simulator. They either resolve it or don't, it's not deeper than that
>>540293678Deskbots are a Pend creation>>540293938>genetarnnies unhitCause they suck?
>>540293790Rush Duel is the main product in Japan. As long as that sells, Master Duel (both the format and the simulator) can do whatever the hell they want.
>>540293796Konami is just baiting old players.>see now you can play without those complicated Link & Pendulum monsters>ignore the fact you can still spam half your deck on the first turn and auto-lose if you don't have the perfect out
>>540293790>some of the more recent cards look like they have been generated by AI.examples?
The Fallen and the Virtuous is a card that makes Ecclesia kinda weird in how she could be impacting Branded as a whole.
>>540293938they are much weaker due to having less zones to work with the lack of EMZ is a huge hit for that deck
>>540293392>Linkuriboh>Halq>IP and SP>Apollousa>Fiendsmith Requiem>Splash Mage, Transcode Talker, Accesscode>Borrelsword>Gumblar>Auroradon>Promethean Princess>Zealantis maybe>Malice stuff>Knightmare Gryphon and Mermaid>Knightmare Phoenix/Cerberus if you want to be really safe>I dunno maybe Avramax?damn that was so hardIt's really easy to tell if a link is actually good or not, you just read the damn card. Are the materials overly generic or is it part of a pushed archetype? Hit it. It's not? Ignore it. You know, the same thing they did for every other damn extra deck mechanic. You're not seriously going to be telling me that Marincess is problematic?>but you can send to the GY right awa-motherfucking *every* modern deck does thisthey printed link support for old archetypes *specifically* to help them with thisWhy are these old archetypes not allowed to use the support that was printed to make them better in the format that is supposed to be about them?I'll tell you why, it's because LINK BADDDDDD. That's it. There's no logical reason, it's just to appeal to Yugiboomers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hNDZGzRO4ULOL all the yugitubers making useless videos today thanks to the point update
>>540293960>OCG players have RUSH (a better game in every way) to turn toIs that why its rare for them to be a Top 10 seller or why they struggle to get people in the side events?
>>540293970>>540294052I'm not suggesting generaiders are too OPI'm just saying VFD is 100 points so literally 1 point on any of their main cards would stop this bullshit
Pot of Extrav is unhit in Genesys, right?
>>540294001I was talking with a couple of dudes at the LGS about the rules change, and the general consensus is that the first time a nostalgiafag gets Ash'd, they'll just quit again.You might get an influx of sales as people build decks to get back in, but this is not a long-term strategy, and dipshits and newcomers won't keep up with the point changes and have the patience to ride out bad metas, even if they're only going to last a month.
>>540294072>Malice stuffaka most cyberse links which are at least another 15 cards to your liststop being disingenuous, you still have the advanced format, go play your solitary there
>>540294171considering they took 1 day for a banlist they will likely hit it if it gets too popular
>>540293392>That is not the case with linkslmao what?>Apo>IP>Halq>Agarpain>Gumblar>Union CarrierVirtually every other Link on the banlist could be released and have 0 meta impact
>>540294180correct
>>540294180points make it harder to run multiple copies of the same ED card so its balanced in that way >randomly banish a key card of the deck>lose
>AFD and Rev Synchron both at 0 points
>>540293715Correction, 2 players with THIS is peak Yugioh.
>>540265582So it's a Tick reference?
If you can't beat Weather Painters with Vanquish Soul K9 that's a (You) problem
>>540294235Oh so you're just trolling. Congrats, you got me.
>>540293617This.
>>540294228>the first time a nostalgiafag gets Ash'd, they'll just quit again100% going to happen. They either get Ash'd or soft-locked out of the game after watching their opponent play with themselves for 10 minutes. What Konami should have done was implement a hard summon/SS/ED summon limit. I don't care which or what combination, but it would be a massive help in getting the old players back into the game and buying cards.
>>540293970Nah, Deskbots were definitely played before they got their Pendulums, but it was Nekroz format, so it was fucked for them.
>>540294443NTA but my plan with Extravagance was to pad my ED out with random Runicks that I can't play anyway.
>>540294443Yeah, but I can just run 3 of every exosister xyz monster for example and it seems pretty good
>>540294303Union Carrier (and Verte) is a weird case where theoretically you could make them okay by fiddling with the point totals. I don't think Verte is a problem if Dragoon/DPE is really expensive, for example. I wouldn't mind seeing them gone anyways, but Unions really need everything they can get.
>>540294476didn’t AFD get an errata?
>>540294617Where did this happen?
>>540294476>speeder 100>crimson dragon 100
All negates 100 points. All floodgates 100 points. All generic searchers 100 points. All monsters with any effects that can be used on opponent's turn 100 points.
>>540294732>>540294801If you’re not using your extra deck you might as well do this yeah
>>540294625>no argumentthought so. Link climbing as a concept is just retarded. Cards like the charmers give you advantage for free, something you can't do neither with xyz nor synchros except maybe white forst and they're unplayable here
>>540294946
I don't see what's the point of Genesys if konomi is going to ignore how most shit after 2010 are designed to swarm the field and throw negates.
>>540294998Pokemon TCG is the only card game with basically zero interaction on the opponents turn.
hosting genesys
>>540294998Just play trap and spell cards like Takahashi intended.
>>540295060Konami is a bunch of retards that don't understand WHY players quit playing. Seriously, just a simple "You can only perform X amount of summons/special summons/extra deck summons per turn" would have been best.
>>540295225take it off TCG banlist
>>540295271You are a moron.
>>540295271Limiting the amount of plays you can make would kill off a lot more players than it would bring in MR4 proved this
>pendtrannies are kept dead by Konami on MD, OCG and TCG>Konami just killed Pendtrannies before they could breath in GensysThe few based things Konami does>>540295271>all they had to do was add a change that would kill the gamelmao?
>>540295378oh yea woops
I hope all genesyssies get raped into submission and Konami cums on their face.
>>540295192Hearthstone? Its clones like Shadowverse?
You can only set one card per turn.You can only summon once per turn.You can only activate one effect per turn.
>>540295271>forgets the attempt at limiting summons thru Links in MR4 almost killed the game>thinks we should bring it backAre you fucking retarded, new or both?
>>540295271They should have added MR4 but without Links
>>540295271Hitting link already does massive collateral damage to like a third of the decks in the game. A noticeable special summon limit would bump that up to probably half or even 75%. Any special summon limit you could feel leaves only the ABSURDLY overtuned decks playable, and any relaxed special summon limit would do nothing to help the players begging for it. Something you would know if you actually played the fucking game.
>>540287198Thing is it's either this or nothing because the format is solved.
>>540292279koa is foreshadowing
I will crack the code...
>Theorycrafting Genesys decks>Trying to avoid Handtrap Hegemony>Every time I try to build a deck, the fucking Green Goblin Mask whispers "You know, this deck costs more than 3 Ash">"You know, this deck dies to Imperm for twice the points">"Wouldn't you rather just run Droll or Shifter in this 10-point gap?">"You could get better consistency out of Mulcharmies than that RotA"GET OUT OF MY HEADMAKE EVERY HANDTRAP 30 POINTS MINIMUMIF I WANTED TO DEAL WITH INSUFFERABLE FAGGOTS DISCARDING CARDS FROM HAND TO STOP ME FROM PLAYING, I'D PLAY MAGICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>540292518we should make a new format that consists of exclusively of links and pendulums
>>540295465Not an argument. I accept your concession.>>540295493If that was true, then retro formats wouldn't be popular where you can't spam half your deck and play with yourself for 10 minutes every turn. Can't kill of players when it's an alternative format.>>540295531How would it kill the game if it's an alternative format? Are you retarded?>>540295689ATTEMPT is the keyword, as it didn't actually succeed.
>>540295793Use DuelingBook to keep track of points. You can even easily export the YDK file from there.
>>540295905Retro formats are literally not popular Thanks for proving my point
KoA doesn’t like Raye like KoJ…
>Genesys gets so popular that Konami HQ in Japan takes notice>They begin implementing it globally and in Master Duel as a real format>Japs go apeshit when they realize Live Twins and Sky Striker are permabanned>They release all the cards oppressed by American retardation and we finally get a good format>Yugioh is savedThis is the only cope I have left
>>540295990Just going to argue in bad faith then, got it. Still didn't explain how a ALTERNATIVE format would kill the main game. Oh, that's right, because it can't.
>>540295271That wouldn't do shit because all that would lead to is konami printing shit that does more with less.
>>540295704>spyral>adamanshit>dlink>cyberse.deck>fiendlink>plantsi actually don't mind the link ban despite few of my favorite strategies dying because of it zombies/bugs
>>540295867since everyone else has to deal with that handtraps will be less prevalent
>>540296134I’m not explaining that because I never made that point, argue with the other guy
>>540296148Konami isn't going to print Genesys specific cards.
>>540296134There's nothing stopping you making your dream alt format right nowJust don't come crying to us when nobody wants to play it with you because it's just stun mirrors
Poor son. He is the unluckiest person ever. First mieru, then sora, now pendulums banned.
>>540296149Time to play Spyral as Tewart intended.
>>540296337they already do thatits the random packfiller
>>540296329So you're just acting in bad faith, got it. Filtered.>>540296363So you admit it can't kill the main game. Got it. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. Filtered.
>>540296320Konami themselves admitted in their blogpost that Droll fucking destroyed people in testing, yet Droll not only was 7 points, but got dropped to 5 points.Handtraps will be MORE prevalent.
>>540296337KoA probably will but it won’t mean much since KoJ at the end of the day releases 90% of all cards
>>540295192shadowverse, Hearthstone, cardfight vanguard
>>540296070I don't think you realize just how much Konami of Japan hates the TCG. Genesys could be the most popular shit ever and they will still refuse to acknowledge it in the OCG. Konami would rather burn money than ever admit that the West runs their game better.
>>540296490I’m not acting in bad faith, I’m just not going to argue a point that isn’t mine and that I don’t agree with you’re a retard
genesyssies need to make their own generalthis is a rush duel general
>>540296479Not the same, and arguing in bad faith. I accept your concession. Filtered.
The sad thing about Genesys is that the OCG will keep printing shitdecks with excessive ED locks due to Links existing in the main game.
>>540296497they want droll in the format because they're scared of all the draw power some deck could have
>>540296550>the West runs their game better.lolwhat the format with more expensive but shittier quality cards, censored art, badly localized names and a clown banlist is run better?maxx c ban and this attempt at a new format are the only things KoA has ever done right
Put Speeder to 30 points.
lollmao even
>>540296720that’s their faultpot of greed is 30 FUCKING POINTS WHY
>>540296720but 3PoG-3chicken-3upstart exodia is hilarious
>>540296791Yet most people are choosing big handtrap packages over running the funny draw 2 card.
why is book of moon 7?
>>540296926duel links
Maybe you play more poly now but this still looks insane
>>540296763>Eldlich is completely free outside a few generic trap hitsYeah you can still ruin some peoples' days.>>5402967912 Ash costs the same as 1 PoG, and Ash stuffs PoG.>>540296926According to their blogpost, most of the low-cost cards are on the list because they enable some FTK strategy that was found in testing. Apparently one of the testers was a big FTKfag that constantly tried to make them work.
This is the worst thing that has ever happen to this game.
>Gensys proving that Konami really hates Pends and would rather delete them than make them goodAlso reminder anyone thinking that they banned Pends because they need links is forgetting that they could have just brought back the old S/T Scale zones. They just dont want Pends to thrive and would rather delete them.
>>540297046What utility does the Rescue-Ace engine provide?
GGs Common. Going up against Water decks is now just as bad for Plunder as Winds and once again Earths. It could be cool if Konami gave Genesys-centric support to TCG exclusives.
>>540297149MR4 and tearlaments were far worse
>>540283351Eveil+Sales Ban is obviously for Rhongo>>540260572No longer fully legal lmao
>>540297149not really, you can just not play it. It's not like they're cancelling advanced or anything. Although i'm almost 100% sure they're using this as testing grounds to implement this point based banlist in advanced instead of the actual banlist. It's way easier to balance after all.
>>540297209Draw engine to see your fusion cards and dracotail cards
>>540297149>alt format that gets rid of cards that most people hate is the worst thing thats happenedOnly Pendulum Troons and Link reliant players are mad
>>540296926empty jar I guess since morphing is 33
What are OCG people saying about Genesys? I'm guessing they hate it because Maxx C is not a free auto include?
>>540280274paleobros where art thou?
>>540297196More like you need to stop forcing your headcanon cause you've been having pendulums living in your head for at least a FUCKING decade
>>540297334Okay, that's nice.
>>540296337Once again, they've already done that before with Duel Links.
>>540297519most are saying that they want it implemented in MD since a simulator is a much better way to manage a point system
>>540297196>Konami really hates PendsKonami of America hates Pends, we already knew that
>>540297196>Gensys proving that Konami TCG OF BURGERLAND really hates Pends and would rather delete them than make them goodthere, fixed it for you
>>540296549Vanguard at least has Guarding.
>>540297757>>540297778Then why hasnt KoJ made a good pend deck in years?
>>540297778they will bend the knee for Qliphorts
>>540297807your enneacraft?
>>540297519Most OCG players fucking hate Maxx C
>>540297149mr4 killed the game
>>540297807Enneacraft seems ok
I am hosting a 100 point Genesys format tournament on Sunday, the 19th of October (Subject to change)>Bo3 Swiss>55 minute rounds, 450 second timer>New time/end of match rules>Decklists and check-ins required>TCG cardpoolSign up here: https://challonge.com/dngGenesysStakesI'm open to suggestions and questions and the date/time is not set in stone.NB: The point costs of cards may fluctuate in the time between now and the tournament. Make sure your deck is legal when and after submitting it.
>>540297842They'll release new non-pendulum Qliphorts.
>>540297519I saw some nips try and experement with it, I wonder if they would push it to OCG as well
>>540292518You have to admit the way Konami punishes a fucking game mechanic is sillyPendulums are constantly paying penance for the few times they were good
DB Grinder pronounced Genesys as Gaiasis.https://youtu.be/RXQQYFFXDwA
>>540297985
>>540297196>retard gaslighting everyone that pendulums are bad and avoid saying anything negative to links who are the real offenders herePendies didn't kill my pet decks and forced me to change the ED to play synchros and fusion, you mongolian faggot. Neck yourself along your retard takes.
>>540297985this is theoretically possible to summon in genesis
>>540298026Where? Care to link?
>>540297968boycott this trash
>>540298306I can’t link I’m playing genesys :(
>>540297985>>540298173>>540298198lol>no linkshold up
>>540298306https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcNtIcrMun8I think I've only saved that one, if other anons have more, feel free to share!
>>540295271They did that and that resulted in casuals falling off hard and competitive being overrun with shit like Sky Niggers and floodgates...
>>540298472Yes, but kaijus are free
>>540297519>>540188883>>540189259>>540193426>>540228093>>540228609>>540253973
>>540298728D:
GENESYS FORMAT - Ten Minute Testing [Vanquish Soul K9, Fire King, Exodia FTK]
They should have removed XYZ too.Yugioh peaked with 5ds.
They should have removed XYZ and Syncrho too.Yugioh peaked with GX.
>>540298929You do realize that spamshit negate vomit started with Synchros, right?
They should have removed synchro tooYugioh peaked with GX
Pls help me make a gravekeeper and toon genesys deck I am so lost
the moment fusions got effect its when the game died
>>540298998Which "negate spam" deck did we have in 5ds era?
>>540294171If you are playing generaiders you would be a complete retard to waste your entire points pot on VFDDiviner is much more useful and increases consistencyIt's better to have access to ash, fuwa, droll and shifter impermThe hand rape strategy completely mogs VFD going first anyway
>>540298993>>540299010Unironically yes.
>>540298758huh? i sweat this post said (deleted) like a minute ago
Only normal monsters and equip spells that increase ATK/DEF.
>>540299031You don't have many points to begin with you basically waste 80 of them on Necrovalley
>>540299031DuelingBook has a point checker system now, and you can easily export and download decks right from the deck editor.
They should have removed Fusion tooYugioh peaked with the manga chapter ritual summoning BLS.
>>540299259>increase ATK/DEF.zoomer powercreep bullshit
>>540275353>they actually hit the wrong mikankoLMAOOOOO
>>540299126Quasar SpamInfernities
>>540299258I replied to the wrong post.
>>540299449Quasar spam was literally never viable.Infernity didn't spam monster negates.
>>540299126Infernity was the original negate spam deck
>>540299623you did not specify monster negates, stop moving goalposts
>>540299432THEY ROOK ARIKE
when is the first genesys tournament here?
>>54029978719th of october>>540297968
>>540299623>Infernity didn't spam monster negates.
>>540299787here as in..?
>>540299724Name just one meta relevant Infernity deck that spammed negates (of any kind) during 5ds era. Go ahead.
>>540299623They still started the downhill spiral into spamshit power creep.
>>540299724This.
Infernity did nothing wrong. blackwings on the other hand...
>>540300165tits too big so she got banned
Trishula Infernity loop was only a thing in OCG and Infernity Barrier was TCG exclusive. At best they ended on a single Stardust Dragon as a negate. Infernity were meta relevant in TCG only in 2014. Stupid zoomers.
This is the most hype ygo ever has been since the removal of mr5.
>>540300401Okay? Doesn't change the fact that Infernity was still the first real negate spam deck the game ever had.
>>540300658It's nice to see all the theorycrafting and crazy shit people are tryingIt's gonna suck to see all the hopes and dreams shatter when the first tournament is dominated by one deck and the format dies overnight
>>540300658I remember the entire community celebrating that day as if WW2 had just ended I don’t get that feeling right now
>>540300658You mean 4?
>>540300761Meta has always been a thing and they can infinitely tweak the list if something gets too strong. I'm hyped that at least most decks are closer to my pet decks power levels now, even if just that I can run all the annoying hand traps and they don't.
>>540300761New list every month. Maybe even more often as they've shown just recently.
>>540300658lol no
>>540300658The shadowdrop launch of MD probably caused even more buzz
>>540299276which is why I need help>>5402992974chan people have consistently had significantly better decks than can be found online.
>>540300958Peak player count on DuelingBook.
>>540301109cute. now compare it to peak player count during the launches of duel links and master duel
>>540301032>4chan people have consistently had significantly better decks than can be found online.I meant that you can check your own decklists' point values there and export it easily after editing.
>Arthalion raised to 20Well Dracotail is now officially unplayable
>>540300950>>540300936lmao if they were able/willing to do real banlists they'd be doing it already in the main formatand any boomers that come back because of muh pends aren't gonna wait for a banlist, they're just gonna quit
How is genesys worse than advanced?
>>540301345The reason they don't do real banlists in the main format is that they don't actually do any balancing in it at all, they just use the banlists for set rotation there.
>>540301346>that memedoesnt mean it wont flop
>>540301489and you think they're not gonna use genesys for set rotation? why?
>>540301032Idk about full deck. But for gravekeeper, you need to remeber duality and extrav are free, also you can add one of the gravekeeper's OP cards like Tribute or Temples
>>540301597Crying that your $500 maliss deck is useless now?
>>540301261I think lil bro doesn’t have genesys decklists, that’s the point
>>540301326Not really >>540297046
>>540301729I don't play that faggot shit so your strawman is useless.
>konami shows that they're actively and quickly listening to player feedback for a balanced player experience >This is a bad thing and people would rather player the shillfest that is ocg ygo
>>540301346>redditGo back faggot
>>540301858Suuuure you don't.
>>540301326I thought so too but I tried a few games with this and it feels fine, the uka stuff is so fun
>>540301597Alternate formats like speed and rush flopped because they don't feel like real yugioh.Genesys ultimately is just yugioh with a different banlist.
>>540301963>balanced player experiencelol lmao
has everyone already stopped playing genesissy?
You've been crying about links and pends for years and now this? Why should I ever take your opinions seriously now?
>>540302051Rush is still doing great in Japan, though.
>>540301963>Listening to player feedbackThey openly said they were holding on to the changes and wanted to wait so they could focus on publishing the original list.
>>540302051Rush is in the top 10 best selling card game in japan. Speed failed because the TCG gave zero support or incentive to play it.
>>540302101Nah, the player count on DB has actually gone up since I last checked earlier.
>>540301963>>>>>>>balanced player experience
Ummm Konami you said there would be no pendulums? Care to explain?
>>540302049How do I see the points in EDOpro
>>540301963>listening to player feedbackWhy the fuck would I want redditors deciding the banlist for me? Every game that listens to player feedback collapses
>>540302327It's not even a competition compared to advanced
>>540302349PENDTRANNY INFECTIONPENDTRANNY INFECTIONPENDTRANNY INFECTION
>>540302145That anon has been crying about pends for years though.
>>540294725005 is a pend though and 001 wants you to pend summon so they kinda suck nowHow are you meant to even summon 009 without scales
>>540302428>Every game that listens to player feedback collapsesgood
>>540300401Infernity had multiple YCS tops even during 5D's so I don't know about that.
>>540302412You can't, the EDOPro devs already said they have no plans to implement it. You have to make your decklist on DuelingBook then export it to EDOPro.
>>540302412you take the source code, modify it to support points and compile
>>540301261I have only ever made decks irl, I don't know how to use these robo automatons>>540301687Well I’d most likely use the standard Link Evolution gravekeeper deck, minus one necrovalley. Idk what to use the last 20 points on
>>540300761Didn't they say their internal test format almost got dogwalked by the only person that bothered to run Droll? It'll be like that 100%
>>540302459this is cope btw
>>540302428They don't need feedback when they have actual pros and experienced card designers get actual high quality data from tournaments. I'm just worried if genesys gets too popular so they try to shill the newest shit for genesys too but at least they can't make their power level too egregious.
>>540302551>>540302553Damn that kinda sucks, I wanted to play automated Genesys format
>>540302551>EDOPro devs already said they have no plans to implement itWhy are they being such lazy fags when more and more sims are popping up to compete with them?
>>540302646>experienced card designers>accidentally hit the wrong mikanko ritual
>>540302646>tcg>actual pros>>>>>> and experienced card designersLOLLMAOKEK
>>540302049Ketu is 20 now btw
>>540275980Why can't they reduce Nadir to 30?Like am I just expected to not play 3 Nadir plus 3 Ecclesia in pure Dogmatika?
>>540302646>actual prosYou mean ecelebs right?
>>540302628he came third, but the guy writing the article did make it a point that players who ditch handtraps to play more power cards tend to do poorly
>>540302657You still can, just customize the settings and host a room then post it to other players.Banlist: N/ACardpool: TCGCustom Rules: Deselect Pend zones and EMZ
Are people here really this mad they can't play their meta decks without compromise now? Sigh, really expected better of you dng
>>540302789All Worlds winners are TCG players :)
>>540302646>experienced card designers>vsk9 and dracotail running rampantdelusional retard
>>540302976>meta decksnigger I wanted to play weatherpainters
>>540302925Professional just means they get paid.
>>540302814it's 10, I'm getting point values from their official deckbuilder so there's no chance that's a typo
>>540302976can i not be mad that my tier 4 rogue poop is hit harder than any 2025 meta deck
>>540302976>meta decksI can't play Subterrors with Hidden City
>you don't get it, my favorite soiface kiketuber shilled this so it means it's good :)
>>540302570>20 pointsThat looks like a great spot for 1 Droll + 1 Ash, Anon. Or maybe you'd prefer 2 Droll + 1 Nibiru/Imperm?Prime handtrap real estate, if you ask me. Just embrace a little power. You want your pet deck to have a fighting chance going second, right? You want to WIN, right?
>>540303090What got hit?
>>540303189farfa told me there will be no metadid you hear that? konami has officially made the first ever game in human history without a meta
>>540302976I don't like a lot of consistency cards being hit.Its basically funneling people into playing hand traps
>>540303298There won't be a meta if they're rotating fast enough. If once a month is still too slow, they'll just speed it up ;^)
>>540303202>winning with gravekeeper That’s not why we play the game but I will throw em in I guess.
>>540302976Exodia was healthy for the meta and forced people use points on Droll, yes.
I haven't seen anyone running these dumbass FTKs yet so I'm tempted to cut Droll entirely from my sideBut I feel like I'm only not seeing them because nobody wants to play that boring shit on day 1
>>540303243It's a link deck lmao
>>540303243Its a link deck.They lost their bosses.
>>540302976I stopped being mad after Electrumite being hit on TCG. I just don't care about TCG banlists and formats, they can all rot in hell.
>>540303419Exodia is a meme, you won't see any of that shit after the first month or two
>>540303090I mean if you're playing a shit deck then you're playing casually anyways
>>540298110>Pendulums are constantly paying penance for the few times they were goodTheyre paying a penance for not being liked by the vast majority of players.
>>540303103I guess ygorg got it wrong
>>540303718>heres a low power format>so can I play my low power deck>haha no fuck you its bad anyway why would you even want to you still have the other format just go play it against full power maliss anyway buy new product
>>540288219Get fucked retardNext time play Tellarknights
Crow won Genesys.
>>540298110>>540303768Their problem is Complexity Creep, not Power Creep.
>>540302282>Rush is in the top 10 best selling card game in japanIts only done that 3 months in the last 2 years
>>540303858>Next time play Tellarknights>Ptolemaeus 100 ptslol?
>>540302976>ly this mad they can't play their metagenesy players are really the lowest iq in the room
>>540303768americans*
>>540288219>NOOOOO the literal best deck in advanced is hit in a low power formatWhat's with these braindead posts
Why the fuck did they hit ninjas though?Out of everything thats got points cost, ninjas are just such a strange choice. TWO hits. And not even small ones, its 20 points a pop.Who in KoA lost to ninjas?
>>540302976Half the petdecks out there use links, you complete and utter troglodyte.
>>540303943>Playing PtolemaeusShitter
>>540303858Why? Do you play it?
>>540303768americans being retarded its not pendulum fault
>>540303993When has KoA ever needed a reason to kill rogue decks for no reason?
>>540303831Link cards would bloat the point list too much. I'm kinda glad they don't curate to entitled petdeck users like you, easily the most annoying kind around here.
>>540304010Good.Link was a fucking mistake.>B-b-but my petdeck need itDon't care, pick another petdeck.
>>540303943>Batlamyus 0 pts
>>540304073Yes
>>540304131>ninjas>>>>rogueWut
>>540304137XYZ has the most bullshit on the banlist though and they're allowed in
V dubya won
>>540302646>pros and experienced card designers>hit arahine
>>540303993They forgot to unhit them after banning Links
>>540304131mathmech getting killed with 0 tops that year
>>540304286Xyz doesn't activate graveyard effects and are much harder to summon
>>540304137>Link cards would bloat the point list too much.This post will be really funny half a year from now after they would've begrudgingly expanded the list every month with more xyzs
>>540304395>Xyz doesn't activate graveyard effectslavalval chain is legal
>>540304296>No VFDtrash. just wait for Lulu to go down to 0.
They really need to lower e-tele to 33 or less
>>540304452Every card above 15 cost is bait and loses to handtraps
>>540304395>xyz>hard to summonlmao xyz is the epitome of cheat design
>OCG just banned Ouroboros>0pts in Genesys?!?!?
>>540302976Decks I can no longer play under Genesys:>Junk Cyberse Chaos (Usually needs Link Disciple or Link Spider for the lead-in play, and relies heavily on the Ib+Proxy lockout for protection while I set up synchros)>D/D/D (There is potentially a build that can run without pendulums or links, but it's going to take a lot of flowcharting and business meetings before I can finish it. Might even need to get my MBA.)>Tindangles (good luck without Acute Ceberus)>Crusadia (Deck literally does not function without Links)>Zefra Nekroz (I guess I can go back to Pure Nekroz, at least)>Zefra Superfriends (Unplayable without Links OR Pendulums)>Normal Pendulum Beatdown (Most Normal support in the past decade relies on Pendulums)>Endymion (no I'm not going back to the pre-Pendulum version of the deck)>Charmers (Still technically playable, but losing the Links severely hamstrings the ability to get beatsticks, screen opponents, and cover elements quickly)And this is just stuff I have already built sitting in my case for fuck-around games at locals.
>>540304726tcg still have toad alive and not bahamut, when toad is the fucking problem
Releaser at 100 point feels a little dumb
>>540304726https://www.yugiohmeta.com/articles/news/2025/sep-24/yugioh-genesys-point-adjustment
>>540304726
>>540304821Have you considered buying new product?
>>540304726Read the updated list bwo>>540304656Not every deck can run them just like that even without locks.
why is tzolkin at 100
>>540304897I do buy new product.Read the post.My point is that zero people were complaining about any of these decks, all of them unquestionably play Yugioh, and yet none of them can be played because KOA wants to try and draw in boomers that will quit the first time somebody drops an Imperm on them (15 pts btw).
So wait if a card cost 50 points that mean I can only use 2 copies of said card in my deck?
>>540304865>>540304864>>540304941oh shid
>>540304821There are over a thousand decks out there, you will find something. Or you can go back to playing against maliss your choice really
>>540304656There's not a single Xyz card that can be summoned as easily as Linkuriboh is.
>>540305054>zero people were complaining about any of these decksEmployees at KOA wereCheckmate chud
>>540305106Yeah. And no other cards with points.
>>540305176Look me dead in the eye and tell me Kevin Tewart counts as a person.
>>540305234anon Hope is a girl name
>>540301346I hope the full-on genesys ycs is somewhere near where I live, I don't want to go to pittsburg
>>540305151*aroused ratpier snickers*
>beatrice 100So much for BA
Why do people complain about cheap handtraps? That's like the leverage you have over meta decks to stop their plays without konami having to print more tailored shit for you
>>540305368Just spam Fire Lake, bro.
>>540305106and if a card is 51 points it’s basically limited
>>540305234BASEDwart, in all his might, not only gave us genesys but doomed japs to play the roach for the end of times.Not a person but a GOD, indeed.
>>540304958Crystal Wing is 0 anyway, he’s lowkey gonna run the format like he used to
>>540305409This.
>>540305465An idol for retards peasants like yourself, you mean.
wake me up after the points list is changed a couple times
>>540305151>zoodiacs in your path>typhons in your pathnigga foh you cheatyz fuck
>>540305409People are so sick of handtrap spam in general that they hate them being viable in genesys too.
>>540305465>worshipping a fat balding kikeBruh
>>540305756at this rate I’ll be waking you in a couple days
>>540305756its going to change alot, yugioh have a lot of powercreep so a deck will always be way better than the rest
>>540275353What did Ojama do…
>>540305958Without links, its easier for them to zone lock your opponent
>>540305958Mystic Mine combos
>>540296337Selection 10 but it's TCG exclusive support from KoA for decks that incidentally got hit by the Link bans that they can also use in the main format
>>540306006Has anyone checked on Bishbaalkin?
>>540305409>Floodgates valued at 100>FTKs valued at 100 on the most egregious piece, with all other cards in the combo being at least 1 point>Internal engines and key archetype cards for powerful archetypes valued in the 20~30 range>Generic engines valued at no less than 30 points a card, with some of the bigger engines being 80~100 points all told.>The humble Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring, a card capable of kneecapping any combo play that relies on touching the deck or graveyard (which covers over 95% of the decks in the game), and is effectively itself a floodgate against 80% of the card pool, is 15 points.>Droll, after explicitly being brought up as a menace in testing that destroyed most of its competition just by existing, is 5 points.I do not understand this logic. Make it make sense. Explain it to me like I'm retarded.
>>540305323>>540305768Zoo is just one single deck.Any deck in existence that have a level 1 monster can make Linkuriboh and trigger their GY effects.Typhon is only usable going second.
>>540306189Ash and Droll help going second.Genesys still doesn't fix the issue of going second being far worse than going first so the least they can do is make good non-engine cheap so the game doesn't devolve into going first = win.
>>540304823Toad is not the problem kys
>>540306520New
>>540302507Those ears are huge.
>>540306113Go test it.
>>540306347Except testing showed that handtraps almost universally beat out people that tried to run more consistency pieces. They openly admitted this and still made one cost more than the other.Explain to me why I would ever consider running RotA (40) when I could instead run 2 Imperm/Ash + 2 Droll (also 40)? YGO is a game where stopping your opponent from playing is more tactically valuable than playing harder yourself, and none of the unrestricted cards help decks play through getting handtrapped. With the speed of the game being what it is in the modern day, even without Links and Pendulums, and even with a lot of the more powerful archetypes being costed out of competition, you will still probably not see games going longer than Turn 5.I'm not against handtraps being in the game. I actually think Maxx "C" is overpriced. But I do think that handtraps should only be marginally cheaper than the things they're stuffing, not outright 2 for 1 or better. As the points are right now, you should only play decks that can run a full suite of handtraps, and anything that needs more points to its own strategy will consistently lose to the dickhead running a 0~30pt deck that just shoved a bunch of handtraps in to fill the rest of the deck's cost.
>>540306189The reason Droll was so effective is because everyone was playing cancerous ftk style decks with no handtraps of their own. That post encouraged people to play handtraps in their deck, Konami wants you to pay the points tax for these must haves to specifically limit the number of bullshit cards you can play, or conversely; to stop people who are playing cancer like VFD or Mine from backing up those cards with handtraps. Also the guy running Droll only came third anyway.
>>540280274Only for card with 0 point stable mill:Needlebug(mill 5)Laundry dragonmaid (mill 3 on summon)Okiku(mill 10 but required opponent spamming shits)Unstable mill:Fiend comedian(rely on opponent's grave and chance of grave out)Dice it(mill 1-7)Okik
>>540307047Because handtraps are better to have around than overly resilient decks that win by going first
>>540280274>>540297553>>540308275mirage of nightmare is at 10, and if you open a monster + mirage + 3 traps you easily go +4 with it. you dont even care about diacarding 4 on your standby phase, you get more use out of your traps in the gy.you obviously need to run a zeus, a typhoon, rollback, daruma, and trapholic, and thats 87 if you max out on the traps, so you need to cut back on some to fit in 3 mirage.also, since youre probably not running grass/monster gate/reasoning, you can compact the deck into a 40 card version of it.also i think time tearing morganite, trap tracks, and traptrix is free.so, really, you just need to build your deck so that you open 1 waboku/threatening roar/daruma and youre gonna be doing fine.id also recommend a copy of jar of avarice.
