Smores EditionStore links:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksonghttps://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_KnightInteractive Map:https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloomGame Save Analyzer / Tacker:https://silksong-completionist.com/Previous Thread>>540140645
Does anyone know if the Scuttlebrace can do the normal down dash? I swear I did it once but I may have hallucinated it. I mentioned it in the last thread but no one acknowledged my post
>>540358369https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Scuttlebrace>Note that, because of overlapping inputs, the scuttle dash overrides the downwards dash--except while hovering with the Drifter's Cloak, which allows Hornet to perform a downwards dash like normal.
Mount Fay is too easy after the cloak (as a Reaver scrub).Please tell me there are harder platforming sections ahead.
>>540358742Yeah that sounds like it could have been it, but with no double jump override there's no reliable way to make use of it in the late game.
Deep docks fat guys keep running and screaming and bonking all over, even when I'm several rooms away
Why is Bilewater so comfy?
>>540359619shut up groal
>>540358903I think there is only one platforming section harder than mount fay, in act 3.
>>540358903Sands of KarakThe Path to Nameless TownSome Anons had trouble with Cogworks Core when using Beast Crest without clawline
>>540359850At least 2 but 1 is optional
>>540359894>Some Anons had trouble with Cogworks Core when using Beast Crest without clawlineKek
>Just found easier path to Styx's morsels via hidden entrance>It's the very end of Act 3Fuck.
>>540359967That shit is fucking no joke>Pogo correctly at the right time>the fucking bounce sends you into the fucking moonI hated it
>>540359619Because the floor isn't covered in a hazard that kills you.
>>540359619Their shells belong to usTheir souls belong to usOur hate is forever
Does Flintslate affect Silk Skills too? Wondering if I can stack it with Volt Filament.
Apologize.
>>540361314Apologize for what? It was a simple investment opportunity. If you really think about it, Millie really makes your investment grow (if you have the correct charm equipped)
>hear kamerlita is a good boss>reach her>minions before the fightsomeone tell team ass hairy to have more confidence in their designs
>>540357137I'm a huntergod and did it my first try.
>>540362231The minions are there for you to slap to get your silk gauge filled. They are ez as shit to kill.
>>540362364I don't need any silk I already binded Eva. It's a waste of time
>>540361941Can you really get more geo from her than she steals?
Why didn't any of you guys tell me about the secret room above Groal that restores all my silk right before the boss fight? I thought we were friends.
I'll have to be honest, I'm pretty disappointed by Silksong. I'm in the middle of act 3 and strongly considering dropping the game after Crust King Khann.All the great things I enjoyed about HK are still in Skong and in many ways greatly refined and improved, but watered down by a sea of tedious garbage that seems to be in the game just because the devs though "well this is a soulslite and a sequel, so we gotta inflate the difficulty, hurr", without considering there's a difference between presenting the player with a difficult challenge to overcome and disproportionately punishing them for attempting it.Dying 20 times to a boss and having to try over and over, paying attention to their moveset to learn timings and openings? Great! I love it!Dying to the boss and having to go through a lengthy and tedious runback, being forced to farm shards, and/or having to fight waves of trash mobs that for some idiotic reason are sandwiched between boss phases? Fuck off, you're just wasting my time.Crust King Khann was particularly egregious because the enemy gauntlet before him was extremely tedious and unfun, and the bossfight you are rewarded with at the end is disappointingly dogshit easy, first tried him and barely got hit.HK was a 8.5/10 game for me, and up to the end of Act 2 Skong is a 7/10. I'd rather just pretend the game ends there than endure more Act 3 bullshit and watch the rating drop further.
>>540362761You always get more than she steals.
>>540363069She can steal like 4k from you
>>540362821I like platforming and learning how to blitz though runbacks, and I also like fighting groups of enemies with Hornet's flighty moveset, in addtion to fighting bosses.For example, I really liked the Coral Gauntlet and learning how to get through Bilewater to Groal, it's its own kind of challange and I like that.I'll agree about Khann being a bit of a letdown though, his gauntlet and presentation got me excited for a sadly anticlimactic fight.
Fuck you, game
>>540363114You get 1.5x the amount she stole.
>>540363326It is kind of fucked up that you can't buy larger shard bundles.
>>540362798Beat it literally first try after finding this room too. I can finally enjoy this game again.
kamerlita is such a shit fucking fight
karmelita is just way too fucking huge she covers most of the arena. contact damage is all she has
>>540364046She is the Traitor Lord of Silksong.
>>540362364by that point in game you already have silk refill on benches
>>540357764>tfw my right hand is numb and my wrist hurtsI guess it's time to take a break from silksong for a while. I didn't have this shit when I played hollow knight 6 years ago either
>>540363326>>540363442or that you can't buy multiple at a time
>>540362821>Rates HK under 10No wonder you dislike silksong lmao. The game isn't made for you. HK was one of the best games ever made.
>>540363326Uh oh, stinky shitter detected. Let me guess. You waste hours farming rosaries to buy share bundles that you burn through on bosses and STILL die kek
I was today years old when I realized that the ants are wearing masks and you can see their real faces underneath
>>540362821Yeah, the common criticism is that HK2 is too punishing to the point where the entertainment is reduced. I also gave it ~7/10, though I've only just started Act 3.
>>540362798My coccoon restores my silk, and I never bothered with that room.
>>540365213Good catch. I didn't even know those were eyes. Silksong does false costumes really well. Never seen a scarecrow that good for example (the one at half-way home).
>>540365341I also only just started act 3. HK is 10/10. SS is 10/10. It's only seen as harder if you try to play SS like HK; Hornet is faster and has a completely different arsenal at her disposal than the knight. Playing her like the knight will punish you, hard. The first sinner exemplifies this where you're meant to aggressively run and dash into her for attacks. The hunter crest feels natural to hornet and I suspect many bosses were designed with her diagonal slash in mind. I honestly find it EASIER than HK since I instinctively play aggressively
>>540365628The final boss is definitely easier if you play it like it's HK
>>540365769Eh I've heard that before. I beat Groal & First sinner my first try. Cradle lace second try. Still playing exclusively hunter crest and playing aggressively
>>540365628>It's only seen as harder if you try to play SS like HKI maybe did 50% of HK before I stopped, and this was years ago. I'm largely playing her with a blank slate. I don't think your theory applies to me.>The first sinner exemplifies this whereI just clawlined her to death. That was easiest for me.Nevertheless, it's nice that you can enjoy SS so much. I'm pleased for you, Anon.
Wait a sec. If I never recruit Vog, does that mean I don't have to top her score any more in the Flea games? Do they still do the festival without her?
>>540362821I'm in act 2 and I'm not enjoying the game, I play like 10 min a day from bench to bench and then I close itI see things that are just there to be annoying, even if I can do it (skills are there, I consumed HK with things like cursed randomizer) I think about the casual player and in their place I would drop the gameDon't get me wrong, the game is even better than HK in some things, but I'm an exploration lover, the type of player who doesn't take fast travel just to go around and look at things, and I don't enjoy exploring Silksong like I did with HK
>>540365023Insecure much? The game actually got much easier ever since I upgraded my nail.>>540365213All bugs wear masks, Anon. But I get what you mean, their eyes aren't in the mask's eyeholes.
i equipped wanderer and got her. fuck her
>>540366197She's a flea, Anon. Festival happens when you get all the fleas.
>>540365769>if you play it like it's HKI can't; there's no Cyclone Slash.
>>540365628NTA but it's pretty objectively true that SS is exponentially more punishing than HK, to the point where I'd say a majority of the game's systems really only work on a NG+/steel soul run.The most obvious examples are silk arts and tools. Healing just costs way too much compared to spells. The instant you prioritize healing, which is what you WILL be doing on your blind run because you don't know the movesets yet, you stop casting. Silk arts only really shine when you're healing just once or twice total per fight, and that's obviously balanced around you doing runs in Godhome when you already have the boss moveset memorized. Similarly, red tools are extremely fucking expensive relative to how many shards the mobs drop, and that naturally discourages experimentation both in terms of learning which tools to use when, and also experimenting with which encounters you should be using tools on at all. It plays out exactly like in Sekiro where your tools were mostly just good for speedrunning through encounters you already knew during the optional boss rushes. Again, that's a game balanced around NG+ where NG is just considered the warmup.There's also the sheer volume of grinding you're expected to do if you're trying to buy all the tools to experiment with. Not an issue if you simply ignore everything except the ones for the build you're routing through in advance. Gimmicks like the Needolin costing silk feel like TC got mad after a playtester with 100 hours practicing Lost Lace realized you could somehow chain stunlock her with it under super contrived circumstances.Really, the entire game feels like it's balanced around ensuring the game is still hard for their playtesters who've each got 3000 hours of practice in the dev build, and they forgot how doing this makes a lot of mechanics so punishing they become suicidal YOLO strats or virtually non-factors when you are just trying to play the game on launch.
>>540366757I never grinded once.
>>540366757>The instant you prioritize healing, which is what you WILL be doing on your blind run because you don't know the movesets yet, you stop casting.To be fair, this "flaw" exist in Hollow Knight, too. It's not unique to Silksong.
>fight lasts forever Every fucking time with this piece of shitEvery time I think I discover some new shit that could make it faster it still takes fucking forever.
>>540367175Forgot my image.
i'm in the ocean?
are there no new merchants in act 3?
>>540367010It's just way worse in SS, which is a running theme. They already had to revert the 2-damage spikes, which was pretty obviously a mentality born of "bro you already ran this course like 10 times, why are you getting hit? Shape up." Part of what makes Scope Creep such a problem is that over time you forget how punishing your own game is and design it around the Radiant/speedrunner crowd because that's who you've become. I was watching a guy the other day do a True End speedrun and he kept talking about how much more he likes Silksong specifically because HK is too easy. It's like bro, HK is not an easy game, you just have literally 5000 hours of practice in it. You'll be talking about how easy SS is in a year, too, once you've memorized the route. This is the exact same trap TC fell in when dragging out the development of SS so hard.
>>540367010I always forget to cast anyway so I just end up bludgeoning bosses to death and I never had any issues.
>>540368020Not really, if anything the game gets easier as you go along.If you want to know testers getting used to 9th circle of hell difficulty, see Cave's Story's True Ending. It's just impossible to do for any sane person because there's no save points whatsoever. You have to do trillion levels and bosses back-to-back. I never did Cave Story True Ending, and I never did HK: Godmaster's ending either, for the same reason (lack of save points).
>>540364898HK is a solid 8.
>>540367546where is thisI dislike the game's lack of comfy blue areas so far
Then:>shard bundles? Who would even need to buy these lmao what a useless item.Now:>there needs to be an option to buy 10 shard bundles at a time
>>540367175Have you tried dealing more damage
>>540368397Every game gets easier when you go along, bro, that's not an argument, in fact that's an intended part of the progression of a metroidvania, you're not meant to struggle as hard on the First Judge runback once you have Clawline and Double Jump. You being able to point out an even more extremist example of this mental trap doesn't mean SS didn't fall for it as well.
Have you washed your hornet today
>>540369617brushy brushy
>>540369241a late game area. you enter it from the sands of karak temple after coon boos fight after you get the ability from the shamans
>>540367546Not literally, but it's pretty clear that all the enemies are meant to be ocean themed.
>>540366757On my blind playthrough I killed most bosses with a silk arts while still healing. You just sound like you're bad.
>>540369746>the sands of karak temple after coon boos fightyou mean the raging conchfly, or another boss that comes after that one?
>>540370006>raging conchflyyes
Is there such a thing as doing things in an objectively wrong order in this game?I've got myself worried that I've done stuff in a weird order and thus missed certain things / scenes. Basically I thought Mt Fay was an optional Path of Pain style area so totally ignored it, did everything up to and including GMS, then went back to Mt Fay and only then got the double jump. So now I'm doing all this shit thinking "yeah I should probably have been here prior to the ending".
>>540369972>Durr works on my machine
>>540366757>>540370193The average 4chan tard is incapable of understanding any argument or rationale beyond "I managed to beat the game so that means its perfectly designed with no flaws whatsoever and nobody's criticism of it should be taken seriously to any degree", don't even bother.
>>540370193>>540370381mad cuz bad
>>540366924If you didn't grind, you didn't play. It's mathematically impossible to get the 100% trophy without grinding ~10k rosaries, even with perfect play and exploration, and there's so many "kill 30 mobs" fetch quests to give players an excuse to farm rosaries/shards while doing story content
What ever happened to that bug that was hiding as a plant that you meet in FarFields by the statue? I assume you have to find them again, but Idk where they are. I don't even remember the name.
>>540370641Gilly, and they have one more encounter you can get in act 2, the rest being in an act 3 area. Once you get 4 encounters and beat the area's boss, you can get a wish from them in Bellhart.
>>540370132There are ways to completely brick your save if you put an insane amount of effort into skipping early game stuff like freeing the bell beast, but other than that, no.
>>540370132>I've got myself worried that I've done stuff in a weird order and thus missed certain things / scenes.Pre-Act3, It's possible to miss the Lace fight. Other than that, before Act 3, I don't think there's much you can miss, outside of things like saving Pilby or getting the dice for free.
>>540370193>>540370381So you agree it's a skill issue. The problem isn't the game. It's that you suck. I'm not even some kind of God gamer either. That's how I'm confident in saying it's that you're a shitter. You probably play soulslike games while looking up a strategy guide on how to optimize your build, boss guides, as well as trying to break the game. The moment that isn't available to you, you bitch that the game is defective. In reality you've deluded yourself into thinking you're good at games.
>if you take to long to do these platforms you feeze to death lol>if you take too long to do these platforms they disappear and you fall into worms lmaoIs there another retarded timed platform challenge designed not to be fun but to be cancerous, other than these two?
>>540371269abyss escape
>>540370523I played naturally. When I died I ran back and killed enemies. I explored the map. I backtracked to collect mask shards and spool fragments. Whenever I lost rosaries by dying I'd use a silk eater or keep fighting the boss until I won them back. I bought everything I needed by the end of act 2. All I missed were a few expensive charms, which I didn't use anyway and assume I can get in act 3 with more rosaries. I also hoarded a few of the heavy rosary necklaces I earned for a rainy day. If I used them I could've cleaned out every shop except for maybe 1 thing. Seriously where the fuck are you people losing all your rosaries to where you need to grind?
>>540371269Far Fields mask fragment ascent.
>>540371260Case in point.
is he okay
You reckon we'll need to wait another 8 years for the next one?
>>540371737He's right where he wants to be.
>>540371797In his sand pit, cool, dimly-lit, unbothered.
Give me a list of hidden places and things that are easy to miss in the early to mid game areas
>>540369412Tell him to get out of the fucking ground. I can land two hits before the projectiles. Two pogos, and one clawline into pogo.And it still takes forever.But I think I'm just too used to bosses getting blown the fuck up by Sawtooth CircletSo having this retard taking 4 minutes bugs me more than it should.
>>540371748Hopefully they've learned they need to plan things out better and not get caught up in scope creep, so maybe not.
fart fields hehe
when I saw people talking about exhaust organ I though it would just be a fancy name for some kind of waste disposal facility where the citadel shits out all its garbage, never though it would be a literal organ where you'd be running and jumping inside the tubes lol
>>540372684Fartloom
I'll be honest I have no idea what's going on with the lore or story. I think I caught that Lace was a being of pure silk, synthetic or whatever. I do actually read the text when characters speak I just... don't think about it.When I fought GMS I didn't understand who she was or why this was happening beyond silk=controlling bugs. I think I may in fact be a retard.
>>540370812Thanks>>540367175>>540367341There were only two bosses I used items on, and this was the second. Use architect and poison tacks (just throw 4 rounds into a corner and repeat once depleted). Make sure tools are fully upgraded to max damage. Should be a breeze. Wont even have to use your needle on him at all.
>>540372972>I think I may in fact be a retard.no, TC just did a poor job of explainig thingsjust like they thought we wanted this game to be much harder than HK they also thought we wanted the story to be much more obscure as well, I guess
>>540373119??? It's the opposite for me. I thought the main plot in this game was much more explicit and easier to follow than HK.
>>540372972>When I fought GMS I didn't understand who she was or why this was happening beyond silk=controlling bugs.I'm not too sure either. Maybe she's some kinda of god-like sentient silk? Her body seems more like an item than a bug.
>>540371442By a "few expensive charms" I assume you mean almost all of them because that's where the grind comes in. It is seriously impossible to do what you describe unless you're actually dying like 20 times to random mobs in each area and full clearing everything every time on every runback, at which point you're just "manually" doing the grind people usually have to go back and do explicitly. The game just doesn't give you enough rosaries.
>>540371442>All I missed were a few expensive charms>Seriously where the fuck are you people losing all your rosaries to where you need to grind?Those charms are the grind, particularly Jubilana (she'll be rich once I buy her out). I think 12th archi too. Small bit of Grindle. Frey as well. If you remove the charms from the equation, yeah, no need to grind. Need then though for 100%.
>>540371737Young dumb and full of plasmium
>>540363731>>540364046>>540364157>shitters once again proving that there are no bad bosses in the game.Anyone who complains about a boss fight being bad is bad themselvesThis is true 100% of the time
>>540374623what are you, team cherry's water boy?
>>540369972TrueIt's literally a litmus test to see if a person has forward thinkingIf you have a full spool for and are at full health, you should use the skill because you'll end up getting hit in to recover the silk. If your spool is ever full you're basically wasting silk/damage. Only justification would be if youre trying to crit with wanderer I guess
>>540370902How tf do you miss the lace fight
>>540370132Same, I feel like I fucked up by rushing too much, i.e getting all the songs and fighting GMS and only exploring after.I never figured out the Mist and thought I needed some special ability to get through it (how was I supposed to figure out that needolin shows the way anyway?) and I completely forgot about Mount Fay existing because I didn't have the clawline when I first went there and I thought I'd get the double jump somewhere that's not completely out of the way. Most I'm still pissed about is missing the Garmond duel since you can't do it after getting all of the songs.
>>540374761No, I'm just not terrible at the game
>>540375214well i'm not just a consuming cuck who make of it what you will
>>540374973>If both health and silk spool are fullThat never happens. Either you're out of health, or you're out of silk.
>>540375723Tags: ugly bastard, humiliation, bondage, mind break
>>540373502No, a few means a few. Literally 2-4
cogwork core is the best track and it's not even close, but the slab and verdania also stood out to me.also unpopular opinion I suppose but I prefer dirtmouth to city of tears, but in general, the ost has a lot less personality in silksong, feels like a letdown overall
>>540375096Idk, but when you do, it seems she appears else where like in Sinners Road or Blasted Steps. Idk if she fights you there. I think in Sinners Road she just calls Hornet a lost spider or something.
>>540376883You're pulling my leg
>>540373502Rosary economy is fine. In fact due to consumable limit, late-game you'll have all the rosaries in the world and nowhere to spend them.Shell Shard economy needs serious reworking, tho. Mid- and late-game enemies do not give nowhere enough shards to justify using the tools for their intended purpose. And most importantly, bosses and gauntlets doing death-persisting drain on your shards while not giving any is just plain unacceptable.
>>540377163You're meant to convert rosaries to shards.
>>540377353Can't, there's a limit>You're supposed to fuck off from boss area and go to merchant on other side of the mapNot only it would be impossible in many cases (Phantom), but also just no. No thanks.
So what's up with bug lifespan? Some bugs just... live for centuries. Randomly. Not even experiment subjects or Higher Being descendants, they just live.
>>540377116I can't find it, but in one of the previous threads an Anon posted an image of lace on a gate at Sinner's Road.
>>540377595Yeah, a 1600 shard limit, plus whatever maximum amount of shards you have on you at the time. That's more than enough for any boss.
>>540377116>>540378020 (me)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdHFy8orLIQ
>>540378323 (me)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nzmj4SFnsgSo yeah, she doesn't fight you in either of these, so I guess her first fight is possible to completely miss.
don't suppose cheating on the courier's rashers delivery by saving at a bench in choral chambers and then quitting to menu and reloading once I get the parcel in bellhart is going to work, right?
>>540358903Follow Mr. Mushroom if you want a harder time
>>540378323>>540378527She is literally begging to be correctedThat brat
>>540378747That sounds brilliant. I think you lose the bacon deliveries though when you close the game (unlike some others). You can test it by getting the rasher, sitting at Bellhart's bench, and restart the game. See if it's still there. See if Hornet has bacon around her mouth.
Shards wouldn't need to exist at all if the architect crest didn't allow infinite refills. TC should nerf it again to allow only one refill until you use a bench.
>>540375214You kinda must be if you think there are no bad bossesYou think Skull Tyrant or Nyleth aren't bad bosses? They aren't threats to you and barely demand anything of you. That's pretty objectively a bad boss
We did it, Reddit
>>540379730>You think Skull Tyrant or Nyleth aren't bad bosses?Nta, but I liked Nyleth. She was very easy and it was nice to have a break for once (I'm actually bad at this game lol). Comfy chill fight.
>accidentally walked into the shellwood lift when running to deliver the baconAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>540380937>Not leaving it at the top at all timeslmao
Both in HK and Silksong the "bench soul" upgrade is fucking retarded. It does not restore silk like masks (you sit, masks restored, that's it). You have to actively wait on a bench for a few seconds without pressing any buttons, and only then it will begin to deign to restore silk. But not instantly, no, you have to wait even more until it's restored to full. I missed my soul/silk hundreds times because I forgot to wait.
Done with all the achievements, took me about 100 hours overall. I finished with the 5 hours speedrun, doing "that" arena fight with minimal preparations was pretty stressfull, took me like 5 tries, I still finished in less than 3 and a half hour with a few deaths on bosses, if you want this achievement and you're not great at the fights I'd say you can easily spend a bit of time on gathering upgrades.
crazy how I used to dread le casuals in le fanbase but in silksong the difficulty junkies were the ones who become the insufferable cultists with no self awareness that ruin everything for everyone else
>>540381609You may be autistic if you favor the thoughts of others over your own......Especially for a video game.
>>540381042You also lose your silk when you open the game back, even if you have sylphsong.
>mount fay platforming>lake of cold water >singular (1) hoop>miss and that's a long ass runbackthis is miserable
Locking a needle upgrade behind that bacon delivery is just fucking evil, whydid TC turn into such sadistic assholes?
>>540383406this is literally the one thing keeping me from starting a 2nd playthrough
>>540383708In my 2nd run I'm 100% gonna see if there's a mod to autocomplete that deliveryFuck you TC
>>540383406you WILL speedtroon
>>540383406It's not that difficult anon. Just get the speedy shoes in Far Fields and clear your route of all enemies beforehand.
>>540380763Too bad you have to fight Seth to get to her.
>>540383406bacon delivery is the easier than beating a boss and running around the map for the rest of the ingredients and there is a pale oil that is easy to get in the citadel for your nail second upgrade
YOOOOOOLost Lace was a fun fight, much quicker than (v1.0) Sister Splinter or Savage Beastfly. I didn't spend literal hours re-attempting the fight. Also quicker than Radiance.The ending was pretty satisfying and conclusive, I dunno what other Anons are talking about. This is the most concrete ending so far among both games, no ambiguities.(Don't look at the game time, I was AFK most of the time. Steam claims 200h at this point)I dunno why it's 100%, tho, I'm still missing 1 memory locket, 1 memento, several historical artifacts, Shakra duel, etc.
>>540385018You can't duel Shakra in Act 3 so it's not required for 100% or Hunter's Memento.
>>540385203I have Hunter's Memento, I'm missing Guardian's Memento.
>>540385018Forgot to mention: Hunter Crest is the way to go for this boss. Wanderer's Crest and Reaper Crest suck ass for all Lace fights. Hunter with it's dynamic repositioning during diagonal ground pound attack is good.
Taking a break from Groal. I know I can beat him, it's that stupid fucking grub water.
>>540385973I gave up and just cheesed him. He practically can't hit you if you stay in the lower right corner of the arena.
>>540385735>Wanderer's Crest and Reaper Crest suck ass for all Lace fightsYou can just pogo most of her attacks, especially with reaper with the range charm.
>naked hornet is naruto runninglmao
>>540385735I beat LL with reaper, felt the best to me because I could multipogo once I got used to her routine
made it to choral chambers with half the bacon time left and I previously murdered everyone in the areaI should be ok right
>filtered at sinner road bench fix platformingtips?
I made it bros>>540386713go get clawline and double jump and then come back
> https://youtu.be/oV8X44vJ1s4?t=169Pale King was such a chad he impregnated sterile Weaver. Makes me think that bug eggs are not how White Roots normally reproduce.
are those fights in the sand of karak memory actually endless? they keep going and going and going with no end in sight
>>540387012???clawline and double jump are not required for the bench fix
>final needle upgrade is locked behind the flea questHOLY SHIT FUCK OFF WHY MUST YOU MAKE EVERYTHING SO ANNOYING YOU CUNTS
>>540387429no but they make that platforming section much easier
>>540387456Just buy lost fleas maps from warrior flea lady.
>>540384320Yeah, I was hurting from it last thread (>>540293479). He has too much health for me, but I do like him and his fight.>>540385973>>539963440>>540387456Does he know about the juggle?
So between the Witch Crest, Eva, Phantom, Lifeblood/Plasmium Overdose, Void exposure, and various other things, how super-fucked-up do you think "endgame" Hornet could look?
>>540386713use reaper pogo
>>540388392>posion cogfly boomerang cheeseI may in fact do this. Thanks.
Looks like there's a cut ending where Hornet loses to G.M. Silk:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUbWuGGsIusThis pretty much debunks "Hornet continues the Haunting if you bind GMS" theory. Hornet just destroys most of the buildings with silk and falls asleep in "Weaver Queen" ending, Haunting is not continued.
>jump to dodge the big nigga>thingy from the ceiling catches me>deadOh boy this area is gonna be fun isnt it
>>540390604clawline through the barnacles
>>540387157>Hornet is infertile It's over.
>>540390829Don't worry, her father can impregnate her. Just need three mortal hearts and three snail shamans to meet him again.
>>540390604Clawline is great for traversing this area because the attack projectile is different from the pull forward so it clears the path for you first.
>>540390960Now I want to see HK 3 where you bring Absolute Pale King from someone's dream memory into the outside world.
>>540387157Weavers aren't infertile, it's just difficult for them to get pregnantWidow was something like a 1/4 Weaver
>>540391353Just plap them all day until they do.
>>540387157Is Eve some kind of a failed Lace prototype?
>>540391486>failedEve is not mentally retarded (aka child's mind in adult's body), unlike Lace.
>>540391486From the dialog when Hornet and Eva meet, I think they say Hornet and Eva are similar. Maybe Eva is part Weaver or something.
I can't stop looking for side stuff to do in act 2 and postponing the 3fold melody questcurrently in sinner's road to obtain the tacks, and then I have to go find shakra in bilewater, and then...help
>>540391486Eve was made by the weavers and lace was made by GMS, phantom is the failed lace prototype
>>540391781Find songs, beat the boss, continue dicking around.
>>540392256I know, but were all three made by using the same technology?
>>540392471Eve is implied to be part-Steel, but I dunno how that meshes with "rune and shell".
How does all this workI assume the second one is the quest that takes you to act 3 with all the void and shit? Can I do both or does finishing the first one lock me out of the alternative?
>>540392471I don’t think that Lace and Phantom were created using technology, GMS simply spun them into being.
Silksong be like:Bad Ending 1;Bad Ending 2;Bad Ending 3: Xtra Bad;Bad Ending 2: The Sequel: Bittersweet edition.j/k
>>540394303no fun allowed
>>540394303GMS: Bad EndingCursed GMS: Catastrophic EndingLL: Worst Ending (Garmond dies)
>>540393230You can do both, but the Act 3 one (activating the Soul Snare with needilon) will lock you out of the 2 Act 2 endings, so you have to do the Act 2 endings first. Do them, reload your save, then do the Act 3 ending. Not that Act 3 wont happen until you choose to use the soul snare at the end of the battle, so it's fine to do that quest now.
>>540395573>Not that Act 3 wontNote* that
>>540394303Same as HK then.>Bad ending>Worse ending>Okay endingGodhome is fake and gay.
OK I am officially stopping my attempts at Groal for the night and will resume tomorrow.
>>540396280Did the tool spam not work? >>539963440
I believe in Weaver Queen ending, once she wakes up, she wouldn't be like GMS (stupidly making everyone (including fuckin' wild mosquitos) into a puppet that doesn't do anything productive), she would be like Citadel Weavers (make bugs build a city and make them worship her). So less like "zombie plague" and more like classical "tyrant". Bugs would be free from puppetry, but not free from her tyrannical rule.
>>540396347My tools aren't fully upgraded. It either takes him direct to second stage (best case) or he transitions immediately into his gauntlet helpers. I keep meaning to spam Rune Rage as well but in the heat of the moment I forget. It takes a while to fire off as well.
>>540394303>>540395839? Hornet doesn't die, Lace doesnt die, and Sherma will fix Pharloom. How is this a bad ending?
>>540396616Then upgrade your tools? That's what I did once I saw that vid. Most, if not all, of the tool damage upgrades could be brought from merchants. You can check the interactive map for the locations.Do it tomorrow if you want. Take a break for now.
>>540396868Sherma will fix Lace with his massive cock while Hornet encourages
>>540396868Snared Silk is Bad EndSister of the Void is Bittersweet End (despite very positive resolution, Snared Silk's and Act 3's events still happened. Many bugs and entire locations and cultures are either goners or gone).
Was Phantom cursed to play that organ eternally purely to operate the heating system within the citadel? Or was he a free man who chose to spend his life doing that for the love of music and or steam pipes?
>>540397391I think she was under orders to do the organ job, the same way Lace was protecting the Citadel from the Haunted.
>>540397718>GMS controls The Haunted>GMS orders her daughter>Her daughter is ordered to kill The Haunted>???
>>540397718You might say he was under... a lot of pressure.
>>540398042>he
>>540397908Yeah, Idk. In Songclave when you beat Lace 2 when you talk to the caretaker, he tells of how she was the one protecting them, and that as a protector she was kinda scary 'cause she was strict on both Haunted and pilgram.>>540398042Carlos!Also, it's she. Lace calls her a sister.
>>540398172>>540398215Fair enough. I haven't got that far yet. She.
>>540398294Did you not beat her already? I think there was a room in the organ place where you can see a memory of Lace and her. Could be misremembering.
>>540398376I can assure you I will have steamrolled past that or, at best, played 2 notes on the needolin then ran out.
>>540398376Yeah, it's in this spot
>>540397376It's a happier ending than hollow knight. The main character either dies or is forced to become a void god. Only Hornet is there to fix the kingdom really, and now she is gone.The worst part of Silksong is Hornet being forced to live with the stupid dumb thing that is Lace while Sherma already proved he is a capable ruler since the sage gave him his cloak, Pharloom will be fixed without Hornet unlike Hallownest
How much health does Crawfather have for god's sake? I swear I spent 5 minutes fighting him, used all my tools which were 90% hits, and spent the last few minutes thinking every hit would be his last until I died. For fucks sake I do not want to do Flea minigames for the last oil.
>>540398632Nah, that's fair. I missed it too. Not too clear to me when I should needle.
>>540398794His health scales with the amount of crimes you have committed.
>>540398794>He got filtered by the fleas
just finished silksonghere's my thought:the game is easy, just use architectthe bosses aren't hard, just use architect the platforming isn't challenging, just use reaperthe run back is not awful, just use architect why is Lace hips so fucking hugeamazing game with 0 flaw
>>540398971I haven't even attempted them, I just want to explore act 3
>>540398978>just go back to the bench every time you need to adapt to the current challenge>backtracking is not a flaw
>>540397376>gone foreverNope. DLC will be about repairing and reviving Pharloom from the memories of the land itselfIt was revealed to me in a dream
>>540399203>play explore game>hate to exploreleague of legends is that way
>>540306940Thanks. I stopped jumping and I eventually got it.>>540398794>thinking every hit would be his lastTomorrow never comes.
>>540399128You might wanna do it before Seth. I hear he comes over and has the highest scores. Dunno if it blocks you from getting the oil, but I didn't want to risk it.
>>540399303>oh you like playing videogames? here, do this platforming sequence 40 times in a row. uh? I thought you said you like VIDEO GAMES?
>amazing game with 0 flaw>zero fucking "SHAW" in the gamerape yourself
>>540398794He is a pushover and dies in 10 seconds.
>game is TOO HARD>beat every boss under 5 min, 10min for Last judge, 30min for LL, 1 hour for Carmelita (too busy jacking off to her)are gamers this bad nowadays?
>>540401327Act 1 is hellish difficulty, objectively. It gets much, much easier after the middle of Act 2. Act 3 is mostly easy, except for Sprintmaster and Flea games.
so, I killed green prince, but I already have 3 heartsdoes this do anything?
>>540403117you display that green nutsack in your bellhome as a memento
>>540403258>>540403117>he has the aids heart in his bellhome, corrupting the air, making everyone in bellhart gayShiggy diggy
>green heart is the best looking but one anon has been sperging out about the 'gays' for weeksmeds
>>540404494It's literally the worst looking one. You're just coping because you don't want to revert your save to get the testicle heart off your wall.
So, what was First Sinner's deal in whising to fight Hornet? I get Widow because she has been driven crazy and is devout to offering Hornet to GMS, but why does First Sinner fight Hornet before granting her special ability? The other Weaver corpses we find scattered around Pharloom like her don't do this.
>>540405749Testing her I guess
>on my way to weavenest atla>check in on pilby>sit at benchDude...
>>540405980
>>540386664Nobody replied to you but yeah that's more than enough time
I really wanted to make the Shaman crest work but the bind is just too slow, even with the injector band (multi binder feels mandatory once you have 8+ HP)
>mossmotherAaaand I hate this game again
>>540407586Moss mother is the hardest fight in the game. I had to farm moss grubs for seven hours because of the amount of shards I lost fighting moss mother. This game fucking sucks.
>>540391486Eva is an attempt at an artificial Weaver by the first generation Weavers, because of the problems they had with breeding, but she was deemed a failure. The sense I got from her was of an artificial Weaver soul.Lace is a construct made of entirely of Silk, made to be GMS's replacement daughter after the Weavers betrayed her. But Lace isn't a Weaver herself.Phantom seems to be the prior iteration on a wholly Silk construct by GMS, but one who even with constant Silk intake is doomed to die. Whether she was banished to the Exhaust Organ by GMS or chose to exile herself there could be debated.
>>540363069>>540363114>>540363420Only when you have the greed charm equipped when you "collect" right?
>>540407825I just pogo'd it. Warding Bell/Reaper's silk leech kept me sticked so I could just pogo-heal-pogo-heal ad infinitum. Worked out.
>>540396616Yeah I keep expecting spells to go off quickly, like they did in Hollow Knight, but I misjudge the timing and get my shit clocked.
>>540371269Mt. Fay was easy, you have more than enough time to make it to each checkpoint without taking any frost damageSand of karak was kind of annoying but a good challenge, and I didn't even know there was a double jump when I completed that area. If you enter with it, you'll breeze through>>540371432This sequence was absolute kino>>540371461This anon is correct, just because you have to fight that gay mini gauntlet with the fire shooting enemies while wall jumping before you can even climb
SS is just a sideplot. HK2 will be about Hornet returning to Hallownest with Lace and a grizzled Sherma
silk attacks being interruptable devalues them so fucking much
>>540410085I wish Hornet had a "fuck you" button like the Knight did with Vengeful Spirit, red Tools kinda fit the same niche of fast/powerful but usually only hit one enemy
>>540408609>you have more than enough time to make it to each checkpoint without taking any frost damageNot the first point when you first exit the mountain.
>>540410085Parry is instant and uninterruptible, you just have to time it right.
I've seen a lot of posting about great beastfly.I just got to him, and died, but his moveset didn't seem too bad. Does it get worse? I assume he summons adds and/or has multiple phases?
>>540383406It's unironically not difficult at all once you realise that by taking it slow you end up saving more time than if you just rushed into enemies and hazards, taking a single hit costs you much more time than you lose on the entire run by being careful around potential sources of damage
>>540412438yes
>>540412438>I assume he summons addsHe summons fat flying "blade storm" insects. There's no limit to number of summons.He himself is too fat, if you fail to manipulate his AI, he would charge you at a height where you can't avoid him underneath, and can't avoid him by jumping, either.
>>540412862I just ragequitted every time I was damaged by enemies or environmental hazards, and reloaded the save at Bellheart bench. Unless it happened in the Citadel.
>ACT 2 WOOOOOOOOOOOOgoodbye driznit you piece of shit
So what's the point of The Haunting, anyway? I understand that she wanted "control", but she kinda created a puppet theatre instead of a working hivemind. What's the point of Haunted Hunters hunting Haunted Prey, with Haunted Prey actively fighting back? Shouldn't she make it so Haunted Prey lies down and lets haunted hunter kill itself? Why everything looks so abandoned, shouldn't Haunted workers maintain stuff properly and not just repeat motions senselessly?
>>540414048goodbye driznit, hello driznarga
>>540414121The Haunting doesn't seem to be fine control, or even conscious control at some times. It's also possible that GMS isn't giving orders while still sleeping in her cocoon, it's her subconscious carrying out her will, which is why her actions are so haphazard.It's hard to tell how much GMS can perceive, or how much she can communicate with others.
not even done with act 2 yet and already feel like this game is too big
>>540358227I'm glad Hornet was able to marry the magically animated Tantaly doll she fished out of the sewer, you don't get to see enough of that kind of thing in modern media.
WTF, I've never seen that dude in my playthrough. How many secrets does this game have?
>>540411826not good against mobs
>>540418985what mobs are you using silk skills against? just hit them with your needle, you doofus
>>540419090rune rage. it does decent damage and has wide range
>>540419294i didn't ask what silk skills you were using on mobs, i was expressing disbelief at your using silk skills against mobs at all. you just hit them with your weapon and they die...
>>540419415yeah i know what you were saying but imagine if you didn't have to and rune rage was actually viable and you didn't get hit out of it. now that would have nice
I've been using boomerang and spike trap all the time, what good tools should I get to switchCurrently going to get the tacks, they seem kinda OP from what I've seen
>>540419651threefold pinthrowing ringcogflies
>>540419651Flintstone like a real man.
>>540365416But if you use the silk up top you can clear the maggots and then get the rest of your silk from your cocoon for the fight itself.
>>540362821I think you missed the shortcut to skip several of the gauntlets on the way up the tower. You only need to do the last gauntlet before each Khann attempt, and I really don't think that one gauntlet was all that "tedious and unfun." >>540383406The bacon really just requires you to learn and understand Hornet's platforming, and of course actually get most of her movement upgrades. If I had one complaint about it, it would be bumping into walls, but overall it's really just about learning the route.I feel like that's what the vast majority of Silksong complaints boil down to. People don't want to _learn_ the game.
>>540419651Honestly boomerang/triple knives and spike trap have gotten my through the vast majority of the game. Poisoned, of course.
>>540421518
the ant queen is the second time a character who was normal sized became in the modern day in this franchise
>>540422728Fucking what
>>540422728bro had a stroke
>memory fights now use shards>you have to go back to the bench to refill toolsGlad I beat the game and got all the achievments before they ruined it
>>540423260glad i'm using the fitgirl version where there is no updates
there is any manual in pdf? i like to print one
>>540422812>>540422837i forgot to add BIG in the modern day first one was vespa
>>540423260Apparently its a glitch so we'll see how quick they revert it.
>>540423754That makes a lot more sense.
>>540420628Oh, you had maggots. In that case, that makes sense. I simply didn't fall into the water, so I guess my circumstance was a little different.
>>540420628Why would you not clear maggots in a room before that by silkfarming a respawning fly
I taunted Karmelita during her singing. It had an effect, but it felt kinda rude.Speaking of that fight, getting tired of flying enemies... And boss arenas.You can get a boost in the race if you time it right.
is it user error or is rune rage just garbage and doesn't hit enemies worth shiti spent like an hour on that boss for this mid ass skill
That wasn't that badCertainly easier than karak and fay
>>540426002It multihits for a ton of damage and is good for arenas with a lot of enemies. Its bad for single targets.
>>540421619Lel
shota rape
>>540425765I just did it out of instinct from playing Mario Kart
>>540425765Yeah, you gotta start sprinting like right at the second bell.
>>540425323Why would you tediously farm a fly instead of using the silk room literally designed to let you clear maggots?
>wisp thicket>jump past the fire bugs because fuck fighting those>suddenly hear danger room musicAw shit is it gonna be a giant fuck you fire megabug now?
>>540427128My exact thought as I was testing was "I wonder if they play by Mario Kart rules".
>>540428852Worse, an effigy
>>540429808Does it give anything worthwhile for killing it? I only came here for the mask shard
Hi, I'm confused about a place in Bilewater. I'm in Act 2, lower path (as apposed to upper that leads to the boss). There's an area that you enter from the bottom that has a trap to the left guarding apparently nothing (there's a platform in a tiny amount of water that leads nowhere) and to the right is a bigger open space with just the hoppy guys who come out to fight. Tried playing the instrument but nothing happened. Is there something here in Act 3?
>>540411259You dont have to do it as soon as you walk out of the Slab, you can come back with better gear
>>540429981Depends, how much did you like the minion charms in the first game?
>>540429981no, but if you care about 100%ing, you will do it
>>540430631>if you care about 100%ingI do not, bye then papa fuego
Who should I take Ruined Tool to? I'm guessing the smith lady?
>>540421518>>540421619lol, cute
>>540431510there's 3 spots, forge daughter is the earliesteach spot gives you a different tool
>>540429981imo, yes. I don't use red tools, and it gave the only non-red tool that does damage.>>540430001I don't remember anything in Bilewater standing out for Act 3. Also not too sure where you're referring to.
>>540431847>it gave the only non-red tool that does damagethere's others, like the memory crystal and the trobbio mirrors
>>540431847The very bottom room on the map you posted.
What is the deep lore reason for White Palace being full of saws?
I got Nyleth's heart, and I want to keep it. If I have a heart that isn't the Green Prince's, then I can't keep it, right? (Assuming I didn't deliver any hearts yet)>>540432012My bad, you're right.>>540432224There's something there, but it's more like lore related or something. I don't think it's something to really worry about. It's a scene involving being cursed. Not needed for anything and doesn't give anything
>>540432528You need to collect 3 hearts, complete the spell, and only then grab the one you want to keep.
>>540432528>I don't think it's something to really worry about.My bad. It's another warden fly location. If the dude with the cage catches you, if he's there, he'll take you to the slab. If you're cursed when he catches you, you'll break out.
>>540431510>>540431661the best version is to take it to a hidden room in Mt Fay
>>540432793Too late for me then. Really thought hers would look the best as an ornament.
>>540357764I met Garmond and Zaza in the gloomy cloudy rain area. He told me his story. And then went to sleep. I talked to him again, and I'm currently stuck listening to him snore. Did I freeze my game? Pressing buttons doesn't let me move. I really don't want to reset and lose my rosaries....
Now that I finished Silksong I went to replay Hollow Knight (I've never actually defeated Radiance lel). I really miss being able to heal in the air and even Hornet's ledgegrabbing. That being said game is piss easy, pogo god status from pogo-ing all game as Hornet
>>540432953Could revert your save to before you killed her if you're not too far.
>chop peppers>touch my balls while peeinghelp it's spreading
>>540433187I'd have to do the flea games all over again. I think I'll let this one go.
>>540433219>piss balls>touch my pepper while chopping
>>540433294Oh yeah, that's not worth it.
how do I know how many fleas I've saved
>>540432430Something something deep metaphor for coping poorly by denying the issue and burying it under hostility.
>>540434249There's a tracker in the OP. Also, there's a flea you find in P.Ducts that can tell you the location of all the fleas for a price.
>>540434734>>540434249>Also, there's a flea you find in P.Ducts that can tell you the location of all the fleas for a price.Sorry, I'm tired. You asked how many you saved, not for the rest. Use the tracker.
>>540432976care bros...
>>540432809Thanks. That happened to me ages ago in a different location so I guess now it's just an empty spot.
>>540432976>>540435253restarted my game. But I forgot I just healed in the inn there so this was a stupid nothing burger.
sorry to hijack your general to post about the first one, but what do you think of this charm combo? I'm trying to beat the first one 112% before moving to silksong, pantheon 3 was pretty hard for me, the jellyfish would make me lose a lot of hp and then the small guy would finish me off
>>540357764Yuri gameYuri generalLesbian communityFeminist devs
>>540432910I will trust you blindly, mostly because I just want to go back to Mt Fay because I haven't been since I cleared it.
>>540436039You can freely talk about Hollow Knight here broWhy would anyone dislike that?I havent played it in a while so I dont recall the charms by sight, but it looks like you've got a pure meeeeleeee build going, which I respect. Though I would advise longclaw stacking or a nail art charm instead of dash master
Will ascendant grip plus poison cogflies deal with the two huge cunts in the high walls gauntlet for free? I'll drop some poison tacks in there too for good measure
>>540437413Probably, or at the very least put them a few hits away from death.
I feel like replaying HK after SS is gonna feel all weird and slow and sluggish
did they design the enemies in Wisp Thicket to be extra irritating
>>540437948not only that, Hornet has like 10 times more frame animations than the knight; all landscapes and scenarios also have more depth and detail; sound design is also much better.
>>540438091Easy to just jump over and run away from
What's the absolute last point of no return to go into Act 3? I feel like I've done everything in Act 2 (at least my map looks done) but I still have to find some food thing for the guy to get a weapon oil and I heard there was an abortion quest that I've yet to come across.
>>540438969Fighting GMS With the binding trap you get from the Caretaker
>>540437413My method for them was to get to the end with all my tacks left then as soon as I reached their stage I just dumped every tack I had on one side of the arena so they all get stood on by the same one. Then focus all your attacks on him and he'll die in short order. Once you're down to 1-on-1 you can take your time, heal when possible etc.My tacks weren't poisoned either so there's a good chance a full bag of poisoned tacks will take him out with no hits required. The problem with clinging to the wall is that these big fellas do jump attacks as well as their big swings so there's a decent chance you'll still get hit while on the wall.
>>540438969the absolute last-minute point of no return a.k.a you need to have a backup save to do shit you missed is playing the needolin instead of binding after beating GMS with the Silk and Soul wish complete
is there any way to get out of choral chambers before i kill the gay bugs or is it too late? i want to free the green prince
>can't hit half of the boss>can still get contact damageonly in this retarded fucking game
>>540439430yes, explore it more
>>540439430Just go back where you came from and go to sinner's road the normal way?
How in the fuck would anyone find Sands of Karak naturally?
so what did they use these things formusic? military?
>>540440169Would you consider marking every spot with dangling circular rings, natural? Because that's what I did.
>>540439735but i felt down the elevator >>540439698thanks
Am I a masochist because I beat LL with Witch crest?
how did you feel about that guy creeping on hornet
>>540442041Rude. But relatable.
I need a break from wanderer crest. I have nine unused memory lockets.
>>540442041He's just like me except I would be strong enough to rape her
>>540442041He's a good stand in for most of this website
>>540440293>"Hey, Weavers, what's this big robot for?">"Uh... Music."At the least, we know they used it to attack the Seamstress. The Seamstress (lady in the balloon in Far Fields) was one of the 3 pin master sisters who fled the Citadel.Before the Fourth chorus gets up, you can see one of the pins in it's neck, implying she fought it and left it incapacitated there.>>540440521Maybe, but pretty cool feat nonetheless.
>>540443974Is that why the one in the area to the right has no pin?
>>540440293why NOT make giant automatons if you have the capability?
How did Hollow Knight lose an arm? Sawblade accident?
i think bilewater killed my enthusiasm for the game like i honestly dont even wanna touch the game now
>>540444131She could've just gotten a new pin.The Seamstress gave up on pin arts to be a seamstress now, so that's probably why she doesn't carry one around (at least not in the open). However, one can see small pins in her works in her room iirc.Some more lore: Obviously the pin master in Blasted Steps is one of the 3 sisters, but who's the 3rd? The dead body you get the wreath from in P.Ducts.
>>540444567Very reasonable. Long runback. Arena before a boss. Maggot water. Sure that'd break a lot of people.However, did you do picrel? It wouldn't break you if so, right?
>>540443974also, the fourth chorus only gets up after you get the glide from the seamstress, and it probably does so because it thinks you're her now that you have something from her
>>540444734i wiped on groal and platforming multiple times and lost all my shit and i just dont wanna farm or attempt him again
How do I get to the top of Sands? I can pogo off the silver spikes but I can't seem to get high enough to clear the red spikes near the top blocking a wall to jump off of.
>>540444804>the fourth chorus only gets up after you get the glide from the seamstress, and it probably does so because it thinks you're her now that you have something from herThis is such a cool little thing and I love it.
>>540359619the music actually really is probably the comfiest in the game isn't itotherwise it makes me feel itchy
>>540444567just go back when you are overpowered and spam tools. i was having trouble with the conchfly and went back later with architecht and killed him first try
>>540442041he's my self insert character>>540442754>I have nine unused memory lockets.use them regardless even on crests you don't use to get rewards from Eva in the weavernest below bone bottom
>Beast Crest down pogo gives you Shredded Organs for the questweird but whatever
>>540444567Another one filtered
>>540440169I didAnd promptly turned back around because it scared me
>>540362821read first sentence and didn't read the rest because as someone who's very nearly 100%ed the game now i think it's pretty close to the best game i've ever played and i've played probably at least a thousand over 3 decades including probably LITERALLY every single one in the metroidvania genre lmaoyour taste is bad and you SHOULD feel bad
>>540444860I see. You worked really hard then, Anon. Take a rest. Do something more peaceful now. You earned it.
Can the save analyzer remove events e.g. like getting the normal ending? Lost my dupe save while trying to get everything. Not gonna collect all those damn fleas again. If no, does anyone have a spare save with all things collected before Silk?
>>540363326yea i spent so much time in act 2 slowly 100%ing everything that i ended up with 3k rosaries + 20 of the only sizes you can string up yourself lolwould be really fucking neato if later areas let you at least convert rosaries into tier 4 strings and/or tier 2 shard packs or had some other disposable use aside from stupidass rosary blaster that not only has to be painstakingly slowly reloaded at benches constantly but just feels like it sucks compared to simply spamming conchs and boomerangs
>>540444891nevermind i'm retarded
When you break it, it speaks blasphemy, as if telling Hornet it's time to take over Pharloom.
Are there any moments where you need more than just the minimum amount of silk for the Needolin to trigger something?
>>540445969I think not, there are some exceptionally slow starting lore bits that probably need 2 strings, but I also think that the second silk heart is required to reach themif you want to hear every line and be sure that that's the whole thing, then definitely, you need at least a second round after regeneratingbut if you're talking anything other than lore, then no, you always have enough to complete whatever you need
I just got conchcutter. Is that it for that area? Outside I managed to jump from the left to the far right where there's a random ledge but that's seemingly it. I also got the food item earlier in the zone.
I just beat the big boss in the cradle. Credits roll, but I know that's not it.Where should I try looking next for more game?I'm also missing a bunch of map space. Right now, I've got Bone Bottom, The Marrow, Hunter's March, Far Fields, Deep Rocks, Greymoor, Bellhart, Shellwood, Wormways, Blasted Steps, Underworks, Choral Chambers, Whispering Vaults, Memorium, High Halls, Cogwork Core, The Slab, Mount Fay, and The Cradle.
>>540446665you will come back later for the temple
>>540446684if you didn't back up your save then too bad you can't go back. you weren't supposed to kill mother silk you were supposed to trap her
>>540446684your first clue is the wish walls on the three settlements, do them all if you canyour second clue are the fleas, as you explore and find fleas the troupe asks you to find a peaceful place to settle, you need to exploreand you'll know you got it when the grumpy guy in first shrine starts incessantly calling out to you
>>540446939I loaded back in after beating her, and I still see the objective marker on the map. It looks like I can just go back and try again once I get the proper ending requisites just like in the first game.
>>540447094oh cool didn't know
>>540445969Before fighting Karmelita, as she's singing, it takes a while for the words to come in. Probably not what you're looking for, but it's the only needolin talk that I've seen take so long before appearing, and for sequential words.(Bonus taunt at the end)
>>540447043The fleas are in the Last Judge boss room now. That guy outside the First Shrine has been screaming "HOY" every few seconds for as long as I've gone to that area.As for Wishes, I've still got to find Pill in Greymoor, find Sherma in Whiteward, kill the second beastfly over lava, and get the ingredients to trade for a Pale Oil.Aside from that, I've taken and completed every wish I come across.
is there a way to get back into Verdania or did I cuck myself by beating the boss
There are people struggling with flea juggle? Just dash, aim up and swing lol. A few times I swung forward. Got 40+ fleas on my third attempt. The did the bounce with hunter crest on my second attempt. The dodging was the annoying one for me.
>>540447329Really, does he give you a quest?That guy gives you the quest "Silk and Song", which is the trigger to enter act 3, do the wish then beat GMS again.But from what I know, for you to get that wish the fleas need to get to their last location.The last location is in the Putrefied Ducts, you get near one of the entrances (breakable wall) on a tracking quest to find the First Shrine merchant, the other entrance is unlocked by defeating GroalYou maybe also need to do Shakra's wish, as you meet her on most of the areas she puts a wish on Bellhart.I don't know the specific trigger, but try doing everything.
>>540447956I didn't get a quest from the guy, but I'm pretty sure he's a disguised Snail Shaman now. So that's fun. I haven't gotten any quest or mission from Shakra all this time, so I guess I'll just keep exploring.
>when the big black wave attack from the start of Lost Lace Phase 2 happens again the second wave comes before you can be off the wall dodging the first oneWell fuck this game.
>>540449943You dont need to use the wall to dodge any of them though
>>540449943Wait, did I skip a Lace fight? I only fought her twice, and neither of the fights had walls.
>>540451501End of Act 3.
>>540451501YDBTG
>>540451910oh yeah, then why did I see the end credits?bet you feel silly now.
Let me guess, you need more?
>>540453158Yeah can I get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh one downward pogo pleas
Hornet X Eva is the only ship that makes sense especially considering she fuses her soul with Hornet.
>>540453158YesEvolved Hunter is peakLuv Hunter. Simple as
>>540454145>Off-model
Normalfag tier:HunterLGBTQ tier:ShamanWitchTryhard tier:ArchitectWandererVtuber streamer tier:ReaperGoing to shoot up a school tier:Beast
>exhaust organ>it's an actual musical instrument organhehe
>>540383406>Locking a needle upgrade behind that bacon delivery is just fucking evilwhy do incels feel like the game should reward their specific autistic way of playing? the game has platforming, learn to fucking platform
>>540445969Yes, you have to waste at least two notches before defenseless baby judges start to appear in the secret room in Blasted Steps.
>>540383406I barely play platformers and I only failed it once. I have some bad news for you.
So why did hornet steal a baby?
>>540460983cuz her mom was dead
>>540460983Would you leave a crying child on its own in fucking BILEWATER?
>>540461656If it's from bilewater, it can stay there
>>540461656>Would you leave a crying childHornet slaughtered the entire nest of 0-second-old green warrior babies, then praised them for putting up the fight. Hornet wouldn't care about a crying baby
i like how they gave wanderer slightly more range and the same dps as a fully evolved, max focus hunter crest. it's just objectively better
>>540444523Just an Artorias reference, don't think too hard about it.
>>540395839>Godhome is fake and gayAre you being serious or just a whiny sour grapes faggot?
so what's greyroot's plan? why did it need a baby to be reborn?
>>540465003No plan only pregnant
>hornet gets a rapebaby inside of herhot
>>540463472>3 yellows, 1 redIts shit
>>540465003Same plan as most of the female characters in this game: protect and nuture their offspring in accordance to their own wishes.
>>540465463don't need reds when all your damage is from the needleflintslate and flea brew take too long and last too shortjust inject 6 lifeblood masks after resting on a bench and you're good
>>540465463you only need flea brew. you generate so much silk you always have a heal and can dps race through the game
>>540436039that looks finei never used the master charms as it felt weird for me, but if you're used to it then it's okaymy charm build for all the pantheons was steady body, grubsong, strength, mark of pride, and quick focus or quick slash
>>540366757>Alien: Resurrection (2000)>Now the problem was probably that we all played it too much like that, because by the end some of the QA team could finish the whole thing just with a pistol!" Wilson remembers. "So we all thought it was probably too easy... when in fact it got slagged for being too hard.TC had 6 playtesters for a 40-hour long game.>shardsI still don't understand what's the point of shards when tools are already limited by pouch size. Maybe I've missed something and you can restock tools without a bench
>>540455660Feels good to be part of the cool guys club (school shooter tier) Anyway hunter is not bad will probably use both once I unlock the upgrade
Another day of Groal attempts looms. I'm nearly there, I have my strategy down for everything except when he spews the 2 acid blobs. I think one of them exploded me into the grub water last night and that was when I ragequit for the evening.
>>540466771Architect lets you restock on the fly
>>540467431Just do him after all possible Act 2 upgrades, including Wreath of Purity and unlocked hidden bench. You wouldn't have much trouble in that case.
>>540467627>Wreath of PurityMy god I literally have that and had no idea it gave muckmaggot immunity. I would have picked it up yesterday as well; really must pay attention when 'reading' stuff. I will be equipping that today cheers.>hidden benchI'm pretty sure I have this already as my runback isn't too bad just some platforming and a few jobbers. The bench in the room with the hanging wrapped corpses? What HAS been annoying about the runback though is that there's a section where I have to clawline then immediately double jump to avoid muckmaggot water. Few times I've fallen in and had to go back to the bench. But with this wreath I won't have to worry about that. OR about falling in the water during the fight.
>>540467431you can hit those blobs back as long as they're not about to explode. won't deal any damage to him but it'll give you more space.
>>540467952>But with this wreath I won't have to worry about that.You still have to worry a little bit, wreath have limited durability.
What if you don't buy anything from bone bottom or pilgrims rest shop and go to act 3? I noticed you can skip some shops and get their stuff for free.
>>540468239I heard that Grindle loots their corpses offscreen. You have to buy those items from him instead.
Do you think there's adequate reward for exploring Hunter's March in the early game?
>>540468742>one of the best Act 1 blues and redsYeah, as long as you have 400 rosaries to spare.
>>540468882Is the boomerang really that good? I did buy it but I didn't particularly rate it. I concede I did use the mask for a bit.
>>540469057It multihits bigger enemies and its a good safe ranged option in general.
>>540468419>I heard that Grindle loots their corpses offscreen.Both locations have snitchbugs at them in act 3 so it's not even really "off-screen."
>>540469503>snitchbugsAre they Haunted? Silk flies out of them when you hit them. But I heard they do not attack you if you have looting charm equipped.
>>540469639They're actively looting so I assume they're still sentient.
Looks like I encountered my first bug, this guy's just stuck dangling his legs in the ceiling
>>540469639>Are they Haunted?No.
>>540469714We know the haunting can cause bugs to continue doing their tasks (Deep Docks workers) and vause them to follow their existing instincts (the ants) though.
>>540465628the twisted bud isn't even greyroot's offspring
Are those guys Haunted? I know that Hornet mentions that both jailed and jailers are Haunted, but I assume the Haunted don't have mental capacity to play like that.
>>540449902>I haven't gotten any quest or mission from Shakra all this time, so I guess I'll just keep exploring.See if buying all of her items, even the maps you don't have, triggers it.>>540467431I don't see why you just don't do the tool spam from the vid if it has punished you this much. He dies before he can even attack you. The fight should be essentially decided once you reach him.
>>540470787I assume he does not have tool sharpness upgraded
>>540470670They have silk in them through birth most likely.
>>540470670Possibly, but it doesn't really matter if they are since they're fully content to just act like that regardless.
>>540470959If he's willing to get the wreath, I assume he can get the tool sharpness upgrades. He doesn't even need to search the overworld for them. All 4 are sold by a merchant.
>>540470670Stealth game with Hornet would be interesting. Hornet crawling on the ceiling, dropping on unsuspecting bugs, breaking their necks, then whisking them away with Silk. Tools used for silent takedown or as traps.
A question for Godseeker's Everbloom variant ending: how did the Knight know that void will go berserk, and how did it know that Everbloom would prevent that?
>>540371912Garmond duel, Second Sentinel duel.
>>540472485>how did the Knight know that void will go berserk, and how did it know that Everbloom would prevent that?I was never under the assumption that he knew it would, and that it was just a little happy accident.
>>540371912Witch crest, though I think you can still get it in Act 3.
>>540371912Naked slab Hornet.
Despite liking HP bars because I like seeing my number go up and their number go down, it actually does make the game the game easier, even if it just calms your nerves in most cases, but in some cases you can just pick off the last few HP with ranged attacks once they're low enough.
>>540473906I like how tense the lack of an HP bar makes fights. There's something euphoric about flinging pins at a boss at low health to close the fight, only for it to miraculously work.
Healthbars would just clutter the screen more, I dont need more shit on there when I'm flipping around.
Rune Rage good for killing those fire mages in Wisp Thicket. Just cast it then run away.
>>540476051>kill the boss>they all perma kill themselvesEven better
>>540445532>the statue doesn't drop beads when destroyedThe biggest flaw in the game.>>540458779Oh, that's how you supposed to do it. I just used tacks.>>540468742The mask is very good.
After HK's and Silksong's healing, I can't play other platformer games anymore. Healing in battle is either absent or just restores 1 hp once. Without relying on healing, I die all the time.
>go back to Hollow Knight>no mantling>no sprinting>healing feels like shitI'm bricked...
Is the poison thing for tools just a meme? I feel like it's dealing very minor damage at best
>>540477912Its free damage and it adds up
>no needolin memory for Shakra's mentorIs this because she wasn't bound by the silk or whatever?
>>540477671I'm so used to sprinting in SS that in HN I just keep pressing the button for it instead of the crystal dash Also healing midair is a sorely missed SS ability
>>540478405>Also healing midair is a sorely missed SS abilityIt's not very useful until you get wall-clinging and double-jump. 100% of the enemies can jump.
>>540478382DLC opportunity, can’t wait to be slapped around by her balls.
>>540453158Reaper crest trivializes flea bounce.
>>540478841Do you think Elegy of the Deep would be used in the same way in Silksong DLC as Dream Nail in HK: Hidden Dreams DLC?
>>540479118Wasnt that the one that just added a few extra dream bosses to the game? I don't see why it wouldn't. Give you a few more hearts to steal.
>>540477942How much? I've stopped using poison. Felt like a lot early game. Not as much late game.
>>540375138>Most I'm still pissed about is missing the Garmond duel since you can't do it after getting all of the songs.There's no fucking way the game actually does this. He's currently chilling in songclave talking about how he'll protect the pilgrims, am I softlocked or what?
>>540480368You still can fight him tater when he gets voided.
>>540480582What happens if you never accept Zala's quest? In The True Ending the black threads dissolve. Would that free him? Or because void is poison, he dies anyway?
>>540432430he was very paranoid
>>540432430I love how for Cogworks' Core robot enemies Hornet explains the original non-Haunted function of each... And for one enemy she just gives up and says 'yeah, I got nothing'.
Does anyone even use Scuttlebrace? It seems like it's basically unusable unless you use AHK to bind "down + dash" to one button. When you need to dodge, you don't need key combinations, you need one easily reachable button.
>>540480936I presume that any voided bugs just die when the void retreats
>>540472485He just liked offering people flowers
insted of nerfing things why not just add a low difficulty mode, that way tryhards can still brag about beating the hard game and scrubs can finish it without having their feelings hurt
>>540485914Wanderer players are already playing on the low difficulty mode Don't think anything needs nerfing personally though. I just think the slot system needs to be better for crests, or yellow slots needs to be worth a shit
>>540486374Damn, reapcels are never going to stop crying about their crest being objectively garbage, huh?
>>540486374making 2 mask damage less common would already appease like 80% of the people bitching about the difficultythe other major thing would be removing runbacks or making them shorter but that would require more work
>>540486528Wanderer is objectively playing on easy mode. I do not have a problem with Wanderer being the easiest crest to finish the game with.Hearing this fact is a little bit awkward for people using Wanderer though, since they are the guys who keep proclaiming their skill and coining terms like "reapercel"
>>540486653I just want more tool slots to play with. Tying this to crests was a mistake imoThe notch system was superior and that's the only real critique I have against silksong
>>540487876agreethere could at least be some way to modify crest slot types for a price or something, make it a rare or hard to farm item if you dont want people to abuse the system
>>540486528Reaper is objectively the best platforming crest.
I'm getting 100% with the hunter crest then switching to wanderer for steel soul.
>>5404718683 are from merchants (forge daughter, architect, grindle), the last one is from halfway home's craw wish
>>540481959https://youtube.com/watch?v=iCh_OGarwtMIt has its use cases but in this case the guy is so skilled that what he's using doesn't matter. He already cleared all bosses on Radiant.
Playing Silksong has made me realize how much I like Hollow Knight. Charms >>> ToolsGeo >>> RosariesHallownest >>> PharloomSpells >>> Silk Skills
>>540491773Tools feel like Charms nerfed to hell. Barbed Bracelet, Egg of Flealia, Longclaw, Weighted Belt, to name a few.Geo automatically wins by not being annoying to pick up.Spells are objectively better in performance but Silk Skills are very unique. Cross Stitch, Pale Nails, and Rune Rage are fun to play around with on Shaman to pretend you're Pure Vessel lite.
>>540491773>>540493690clawline is the one improvement over hk
I think that every part of HK is improved in Silksong.
>>540493802sprint, sprint attacks and sprint long jump too
>>540494368Hallownest was a nicer feeling world
>my cogfly got the last hit everthat's unfortunate. and this really was a yuri game huh
>>540495075Mine was a boomerang because she warped into it’s return path
>>540486653>the other major thing would be removing runbacks or making them shorter but that would require more workJust add in closer benches?>>540490880Technically he sells drinks, but yeah, I'll give you that: you can't buy it from him and it's technically from a wish. Nevertheless, if Anon's willing to go to P.Ducts, I think doing that wish is still easy compared to that. Well, it's even easy in general. Some craws drop multiple pelts.
>>540488823Unless it's having to pogo on moving things
>>540494368I cannot agree with resourcegating tools. They should have been benchlocked only, maybe reduce their use per bench load but that's it
>>540495075For me it was when she was doing the attack where she hovers for a bit and throws out the black blobs that become damage zones. Since she was stationary I got 3-4 hits on her really quickly and that did it.
>>540495075>and this really was a yuri game huhDaughteru theory has some decent substance behind it.
>>540497789>Daughteru theoryI wasn't aware of that. A lot more of a fan of that. I guess Lace would be an obvious choice of protag for a third game if they do one right?
>>540498367Hopefully not
Widows diagonal ball attack is fucking shit
>>540498367TC didn't want to power down Hornet too much for the start of the game, so they just made enemies harder. Lace as a new protagonist would just continue the power scaling.The best solution is to make Sherma the new protag.
>>540501082just deflect it brotato
>>540501659Gets harder when its the third phase
>>540364898>HK was one of the best games ever made.lol, lmaonot even the top 10 metroidvanias
>>540501819you can cheese her by staying all the way to the right of the screen
>>540501082Just stand perfectly between the two lines and stay there, the bell always deflects the same way and never hits that spot, even on the back bounce
>>540495075Lace got flyed...
I want a crest that increases charge time, but allows me to charge automatically. I can't be arsed to keep holding the button.
>>540491773>Geo >>> RosariesI just wish minibosses/bosses spewed out Rosaries like they did Geo in HK, feels so good to see and collect that
What do here, just embrace the worms?
>>540505060clawline and hover forward
>>540505060Jump over them. Play the needolin in that obvious spot.
>>540505060Nevermind
>delivery to Mt Faygod fucking damn it
If you're healing and Lucky Dice procs, you'll be protected, but the heal will cancel.Also, tips for Karmelita?
>>540505292Avoid attacks, hit with a nail. You can parry away the projectiles.
Surely there's something more than a craftmetal in this lake area
>>540504214I tried to rig up AHK script for exactly that in HK a few years back. Too finicky to bother with, charge can be lost for all sorts of conditions which a simple macro script can't detect.
>>540505590Slap a marker on it and come back later
This might just be the most cancerous mob in the game so far
>>540505590It's related to easter egg/meta quest.
>>540505580>You can parry away the projectiles.Oh, nice. I'll try this.After I deal with these flying enemies again....
>>540505981It's basically Aspid with jukes.
>>540505590If you needolined in the right spot, and she didn't mention fleas, then you might wanna talk to the flea guy.
So what happens if you never visited diving bell in Act 2? Would Silk and Soul quest be never issued?
>>540506230The flea guy isn't hereI think I haven't freed enough flea kids
>>540506716He's not supposed to be here.
>>540506780Then where is he supposed to beThe caravan was at the citadel gate last I saw them
>>540506914Yes, talk to him there.
>>540506976I did and he said they were moving again and I didn't go with them
>>540506575I assume you'll get a hint and have to ask around until someone mentions it.
Also can I not go to Bilewater from here? Looking at a full map I see they're connected here, but I guess the passage can only be opened from below?
>>540507259yes, that's right. beat groal first and you can open the passage.
>>540505292architect
>>540505981The worst part is that if you clawline, you might just slam into its projectiles
>>540507259You do not want to visit Bilewater until you go into that undiscovered area leading upwards. You can to that right now.
>>540505292if you're not good at parrying don't bother and just jump the projectilesdon't stand too close to her, you can't jump her attacks and she's too tall to be cleared without a double jump. hit and run, don't get greedy and hit more than once or twice.be wary of what she's doing because her next attack cue can look similar when you rely on peripheral vision
>>540508189Yes, the worm water charm thingy, I'm on it
I did blightwater without the wreath and it wasn't that bad desu Groel was utter shit but for reasons unrelated to the worms
I want to go to Act 3 but I don't know if I've done everything I can. I've done all deliveries, I've done all the wishes on each town's board, I've upgraded my needle like four times, I have eight masks. There are a few things I'm not sure about though.1. Bottom of Underworks - giant pillars/door/bell thing with voices. Playing Needolin does nothing, smacking bell does nothing2. Flea troupe still at Grand Gate. I haven't found any others yet and I'm not seeing any unexplored areas of the map except for the very top where the quest tells me to go (I know this doesn't necessarily mean I've explored everything)3. I never encountered the scenario where Hornet gets a crying baby or something gets implanted in her? I've seen it mentioned but didn't want to Google out of fear of being spoiled on more than just knowing where to go to start it
Is this called ... silking?
>>540509079>Groel was utter shit but for reasons unrelated to the wormsThat's because you visited without nail and tool upgrades
>>540509524Nah I was pretty good on those, he just didn't click for me at allOnly two bosses that really fucked my brains hard were him and skarrsinger lady, I died like 20 times on groel and maybe like 30 on the singer, felt like I was going insane until I just started playing super careful
>>540509367>2.Use the tracker in the OP for the fleas. You can get all before Act 3Oh, you're avoiding spoilers. Should probably be fine, but if it's too risky, in P.Ducts there is a spot with a special flea called Vog. You need a barnark to pull you there iirc. She can tell you the location of all the missing fleas for a price.>3When you enter Bilewater from the Vaults the baby is somewhere from there to where the fast travel is at. Maybe it's directly to the left right after you fall? I don't remember. Called the "Twisted Bud". If you wanna impregnate her, go to Greyroot, the pollup person right of Bellhart.
>>5405093671. Go to Greymoor, there's a secret entrance into a new area. See the pic.2. Did you get Vog? She's in Putrified Ducts. Hint: all entrances you see on the map are accessible in Act 2.3. Bilewater's entrance from Whispering Vaults. You'll hear it.
>>540510214 (me)3. After getting it talk to NPCs in towns, one of them will hint what to do with the baby. You might want to back-up your save before doing that.
>Karmelita Phase 2>Throws twice now.>"Fine, I'll dodge twice then">Karmelita: "Well now I'm not doing it."I feel like the devs gave her AI a lot of love.Also, there's no need for her to be able to block with those boomerangs. Just increases the number of hits I need to make now.
>enemy runs in the opposite direction from me>i jump>enemy simultaneously jump while not even looking at me (and being nowhere close to me)>this is repeatable behaviorEnemies having eyes on their backs confirmed. Enemies being mentally retarded confirmed.
>>540443974Wait, when did we learn there were ony three sisters? I thought there were a lot of they.
>>540511376There are at least three sisters. 1 dead, 1 switched professions, 1 active. Not sure if there are any others I missed?
>>540507061>and I didn't go with themWhy would you not go with the fleas...
>>540511668Traveling cutscene is cute
>>540507061...y tho...
I hate flying enemies especially those fat fuck that chapel of the beast smmons
>>540511857You have to luck out. Sometimes he will summon only small enemies.
The runback to this is gonna be annoying
>>540511857At least that one tries to attack you directly, rather than flying just out of range and shooting projectiles at you.
>>540511646>1 deadDid we find her remains? [Spoiler] is she the body in Greymoor that gives us the Reaper Crest? [/spoiler]
>>540512020>Didn't open the shortcut
>>540512020did you unlock the door?
>>540512207Found it after I posted that lol
>>540512081Yeah. We see her body and fallen balloon home thingie in Putrified Ducts
>>540512081She's the body in P.Ducts that gives the wreath. You can see her tattered balloon behind her.
I'm generally super bad at this game but I just did the High Halls gauntled first try, and was a bit surprised how smoothly it went. I didn't even disable the clawmaidens beforehand.
>>540512346>>540512368I completely missed that. And I have the Wreath in my inventory so it's not like I didn't visit the zone
Wisp Thicket feels like it was going to be a lot bigger
How you guys use wall climbing? when I want to jump to the other side I often glide instead of jumping
>>540513196>I often glide instead of jumpingDon't move the stick to the direction away from the wall, that makes hornet stop clinging to it
>>540497124Even moving. It completely trivialized the flea bounce.
so, after giving it some thought, I think the citadel was supposed to be Silksong's City of tears, but it failed to deliver. City of tears is a point where hollow knight successfully blends atmosphere and gameplay, environmental storytelling and all that, discovering it is an experience treasured by many who played it. In SilkSong, the Citadel is functionally similar, a huge urban area that you have to fight to gain access to, at a middle point in the game, but also has been overtaken by the corruption and madness. However, visually, the place sort of blends together in a series of columns and passages full of spikes, traps and "videogame things" basically. It doesn't look like a town, or a cathedral, save for a few points, the spa and the dinner room, and trobbio's arena.thoughts?
>>540513676Trobbio's place doesn't fit there either
>>540497124It has a huge hitbox not just below you but on the sides too, you can pogo off things you're not even above of
>>540513676We only ever see a very small part of the citadel, and most of it is public spaces.
>>540513676I agree
>fast boss>every attack creates area of denial>you are allowed to hit once or twice per cycleMmmm, I like sitting in a cuck chair for a chance to strike once or twice. Bullethell bosses are not fun.
>>540513676The citadel is not a city. It is a -citadel-. It's a military base. The entirety of the choir are all combatants drawn pilgrims who managed to survive the gruesome path towards the top. It is gilded, beautiful, majestic, even, but ultimately it is a fortress from which Mother ruled, and it's set in a way that protects her from invaders, not provide great quality of life, and even just maintaining the veneer of its splendor was a horrible task that turned the underworks into a living hell, destroyed the land that predated bilewater, overtaxed the deep docks, etc etc etc
>>540513676I disagree it doesn't feel like a cathedral/temple, but I don't think it's meant to evoke a town. It does feel a little video gamey, because a lot of the architecture is too vertical and doesn't feel like a place to live, which might just be because it's presented in a 2D format.>>540513986I think Trobbio is implied to just have moved in at some point (somehow) because he's a nutter, he definitely doesn't fit the vibe.
When equipping red tools how do I use the 2nd one?
>>540514632F + down arrow
>>540513508Apostate Slab mask shard is kinda easier with wanderer than reaper. Reaper is too slow, it causes problem when spike ball ascends.
>>540514632down + RB
I kinda want a pet pharlid.
>>540518325>problems when spike ball ascendsNTA but I always assumed everyone knew you can do what I've illustrated in this image. Basically you can stand next to a spike ball or spike ball type obstacle, close to it but such that you can jump vertically and take no damage from it, and then if you do that very same jump from the same spot and downslash, you will pogo on that spike ball. The hitbox for your needle extends beyond the edges of the green box, but Hornet only takes damage within the green box.So for ascending spike balls or whatever, you just position Hornet or the Knight off to the side. You literally just need to be sort of near what you're pogoing off of.
>>540495075yuri game is when you fight another female
Widow is really fun but I'm tired. I'll rest and come back to you tomorrow Also beast crest cannot really punish her diagonal+chase attack, so I might switch out.
HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO HIT THE SAVAGE BEASTFLY IN THE BEAST CHAPEL WITHOUT TAKING CILLISION DAMAGE HOLY SHITBut no seriously, how? God this game pisses me off.
>>540521723When he goes above you hit, when he goes low you pogo Avoid his downward and hit. Just focus on dodging first. The problems come when the adds spawn
>>540521723Stay on the ground. Never jump unless this nigga is already mid-rush towards you. When you do, always be prepared to downstrike for a bounce. Also, you have like 300-500ms to punish the ground pounds with a strike. It adds up.
>>540522126I get that collision is "how he attacks" but holy FUCK collision damage should not do double damage. Hoky fuck it's so fucking stupid.
>>540521723When it's slamming down, stand to the side of where it will land then just swing your nail.When it's charging, you want to bait it to charge at you on ground level so you can jump over it and downslash. However if you can see that it's charging at a safe height above you, and you're on the ground, you can jump and upslash while it's overhead (if there's enough room above you).
>>540522307He's an ultra massive battering ram. Its all he's got please understand
>>540521723Also be near walls. When he crashes into the wall, he cancels his follow-up to his charge attack.
why would i want any of the mementos
>>540522427It's just amazing ro me that these devs in seven years couldn't program seperate hitboxes for attacks and contact. I disagree with the two-mask damage shit on principle anyway, butbthe idea that walking into an enemy does the same damage as it intentionally hitting you with its attacks is just fucking retarded.>y-yeah but, 1% of the population will be able to intentionally eat the collision to avoid full damge from attacks and game the mechanicWell get fucked then retards fucknfouble damage.
>>540522803I don't know, why would you? Either you do or you don't, your reasons for both are your own.
How much damage do those thrown orbs in Deep Docks do? I feel like it must be 3-4 but don't actually know.
>>540523316Same amount of damage as baby flies inflict you when they softly go "poof" on death. Also disables your Magma Bell for a time.
>>540523480Felt like more for sure.
It's quite funny seeing Hornet very seriously talking to what is essentially a joke meta Easter Egg character.
Do you think Team Cherry's next game would be in 3D? Do you think they would develop a strategy game next, or some other genre?
>>540524173I want to say that a developer with the aesthetic taste to make two games like Hollow Knight and Silksong probably wouldn't go down the 3D route if they made another installment in this series 'just because'. They understand that it's possible to make beautiful, engaging, fun games that are 2D sidescroller metroidvanias. They also know people will buy and enjoy these games. After all, it's not like 3D didn't exist when Hollow Knight was developed, the 2D was a conscious choice. There's no one breathing down their necks saying "you have to innovate!". They're long since rich enough to just do what they want.
>>540524173>Do you think Team Cherry's next game would be in 3D?Don't fix what's not broken.
>>540525086>if they made another installment in this seriesI don't think there would be HK3. Their next game would have Mister Mushroom, that's pretty much it.And it's not like 3D is necessarily evil. Tunic is 3D and still have very retro vibe.
Pogo-ing in 3D sounds undesirable.
>>540525575the bunny girl game made it work
>>540523480>Also disables your Magma Bell for a time.All fire damage does this howeverbeit
>>540494368hollow knight had better atmosphere
>>540524173the way they sound in interviews makes me think they won't, or at least not for an HK game, if anything, I find it more likely they would experiment with comics or cartoon to expand the hk universe before venturing on something completely new>>540525487>I don't think there would be HK3silksong literally ends in to be continued
>>540526549When fire/lava damage disables bell, they do 1 mask instead of 2. For explosions it's still 2 masks + disabled bell.
Hornet off to bully a toddler.
>use Wanderer>get first stun on Beastfly>two crits in a row>diesOk. Fuck you.Thanks for the patience and stay near walls tips. Helped a lot.
>>540527065>silksong literally ends in to be continuedIt doesn't.Unless you mean Mr. Mushroom ending, which is a meta joke ending. It was also in HK, when they didn't plan to continue HK (Silksong was DLC). "To be continued" refers to seeing Mr. Mushroom quest in their next game. It could be set in HK universe, or you could just meet Mr. Mushroom in unrelated universe.
>>540527175is that isaac
>>540527918God this brat needs correction so bad
>>540527918Adult in forever loli's body: yesForever loli in adult's body (Lace): no thanks
>game has ledge grabbing>game decides on a whim if you grab or notevery time
>>540528540Man it pisses me off.
>>540528540Did you try pressing directional button towards the ledge? There's also bind exploit, but that's unrelated.
Wyrmways next?
>>540528064We don't really know if she has an adult's body because what constitutes adulthood in bugs seems to vary widely. She was made to be a child by a god who wanted an eternal child, so I think it's safe to ASSUME that she has the body of a child, or at least whatever interpretation of that concept was dreamed up by a fucked up, disconnected ass pale being.
>>540528540dashing into the ledge at the last moment seems to grab even when you wouldn't make it normally
>>540529005I mean you have to go to them eventually
>>540529158I dunno it it's possible to tell whether I'm missing anything with the slzoomed out map, but there's no variable zoom on the detailed map, and I dunno if anyone could be assed to dissect that mess for me anyway
>>540529005Top of Wormsways requires wall climbing. I assume you have it, considering Shellwood is on the map?
>>540529349I've got the basic cling. If there's a better one I haven't found it yet
its always funny to see people biching about hunter's march
>>540529490Yes, I meant wall jumping.
>>540529572Hunter's March's Act 1 gauntlet is harder than LL. It doesn't help that Shakra didn't show up to assist for some reason.
>>540529005If you did widow already, then I guess I'd start heading to the Citadel? That, or The Slab.
>>540526961[citation needed]
Heard Coral Tower is megacancer. Is there anything worthwhile there?
>>540529572When first I entered Hunters March, the common-white ant warrior (not the big guard guy) seemed really strong to me at the time, and I promptly noped out with a "seems like one of those places you come back to when you're strong". I also didn't have dash at the time.
>>540530107act 3 thing. can be skipped
>>540529005You could go visit Sinner's Road. Halfway Home's owner gave you a hint how to go there when you brought a Nectar from him.
>>540530107Coral Tower was extremely easy with Reaper crest. And I was the guy who struggled with Hunter's March.
>>540530304Bro I can't even kill that first dog lmao.But yeah, I guess I'll go that way, thanks.
50 hours and I still haven't ventured into BilewaterI hope this will at least mean I'll be upgraded enough to make it not that bad
>>540530675roached.com
>>540529786>Shakra will assist in the arena fight in Hunter's March if Hornet has not visited Greymoor, Bellhart, or Shellwood.
Can you have enough silk for 2 heals?
>>540530881Get the wreath from P.Ducts. Get all 4 crating kits. Have 2 pale oil needle upgrades. That should be enough? Also have the tools used to spam the boss, for when you get tired of trying to win honorably.
>>540531120Yes, but you need ALL those silk things that increase your silk amount. Well, you can use that tool Julibiana sells too.
>>540530881at that point just get the tool from the putrified ducts that saves you from maggots
Am I trash or is that volt worm boss some bullshitAlso what do about that voltridian thing I cant interact with
>>540531257>>540531120three heals with the tool given by second sentinel
>>540531414Ah nevermind that was actually p easy
>>540397376Stop being a pussy, bad ends make new beginnings better. If everything is resolved with a pretty little bow there is no satisfying way forward. The Embrace the Void is canon HK ending and the Voidlord is the main series antagonist and will be seen again in the next sequel
Slik Soar doesn't make you invincible?? Why not? Tried to silk soar up that Sands place, but she made contact with that bird thing, took damage, and broke the soar.>>540531845He gives a tool? I had beat him, but I don't remember him giving me anything.
>>540532183>helolthis game doesn't have male characters that aren't fags or die
>>540531414>voltridian thing I cant interact withit's just lore
>>540531738are those shoes??
>>540530107You heard wrongCoral tower is megakinoAnyone who says it was bad was literally just filtered and is bad at the game. You aren't bad at the game, are you anon?
>>540533081I'm no mad skills pro gamer but I want to believe if I were truly bad I wouldn't have made it far enough that going into coral tower is an option
>>540530107>Heard Coral Tower is megacancer.It's not even white palace level>Is there anything worthwhile there?There is
Just tried Coral Tower just now (I'm nta). It seems like it's arenas, so that's cool.I reached arena 2 and died (was thrown off by flying enemies + spikes on the ground. Any tips for that? I don't really use tools and I can't reach them without clawline when they go over the spikes.)Also is there a bench in the dream some where? I think I heard there was one between arenas or something.
I know you're supposed to just sprint, but Is this guy killable?
>>540535815Yes
>>540535815poison tools will do wonders against him
wow savage beatfly in the lava field is precisely as cancerous as I imagined
>>540535815summon cogflies and just wait
Am I mentally ill for thinking a Hollow Knight RPG would go crazy? Hornet, Lace, and Hollow Knight all as party members with special abilities...give it some Paper Mario or Lost Odyssey mechanics and I think it could be incredible.
>>540522803Considering how getting them all isn't an achievement, the only real mementos you should go for is Hunter's
>>540530107I hated Coral Tower while I was playing it and then upon beating it I looked back and thought "yep, its kino". Same with the High Halls arena. Its not even that hard if you keep a cool head.
>>540537080The craw one is pretty comfy and you need to get it for the hunters one anyways.>>540535064Bounce their projectiles back at them. Alternatively use silk skills. Rune Rage goes crazy in arenas but can be a little RNG.
>>540537296Oh yeah Craw tooAnd also Green Prince too since you heedn all of that area's enemies for Hunters
> Hornet: "The bugs of your land, I have watched them, climbing towards their absolution without the flicker of a thought to what it means."> > Mask Maker: "Aye. But isn't it always such for those snared to serve your higher caste? Our mortal mob did once act some defiance, unawares maybe, but successful in part, goaded towards it by Weavers' will'n all."> > Hornet: "You speak of the Citadel? Its former function has failed, but I can still sense its purpose, some. It is church and cage both."> > Mask Maker: "Aye. Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule."STOP BLAMING GMS FOR THE SINS OF THE CITADEL ITS THE FUCKING SPIDERS FAULT
>>540536519at least i'm not as bad as reddit kek
>>540538040Go back and check some of the earlier generals, this place and reddit are two sides of the same shitter coin.
>>540538103dunno man it took me like 6 tries not 100also pro tip for anyone struggling: you can run back to the left part of the room and it will despawn the adds
>>5405385596 tries with despawn cheese is still really bad sorry bro
>>540537296>Bounce their projectiles back at them.Can you shoot the cone things back at them?>Alternatively use silk skills.I decided to use silk spear. Already reached the shortcut. Fun so far, but this is Silksong, so I expect it to become a drag soon.
>>540538703not as bad as double digits deaths to cogwork dancers
>>540538040>Using tools against savage Beastfly
how will i feel about the original hollow knight coming off silksong
>>540539137It's very slow in comparison to Silksong and you'll definitely get lostHowever you'll also feel pretty strong with certain charms and spells vs tools and silk skills
>>540539260i see i see. thanks anon
>>540539669One thing to keep in mind is how the Knight works is completely different from how Hornet worksyou can't play the Knight like how you would Hornet, and vice versa.
>>540539804i heard wanderer is the default combat style in the original so at least i'm used to that
>>540539979Yeah if you're used to wanderer you'll get used to things fairly quickly. But one thing with Wanderer is it's basically the Knight with a charm called Quick nail. you'll get that somewhere in the game so your attack speed isn't as fast at the start yet
>>540540127got it. thank you
>hey what if 80% of the game was pogoingpogoing was cool but not so cool to make almost the entire game pogoing
>>540538882If you hit the shortcut you basically won
>>540536981>Am I mentally ill>Lace as a party memberYes, you are
Why are people complaining about boss runbacks when its literally, LITERALLY just Groal
Who did they feed this poor bastard to?
>>540540745People have a deep-rooted hatred for Bilewater
>>540540481Yeah, Khann's moves were much simpler than I thought. I'm happy when this stuff is easy.That said he has too much health. His phase 1 and 2 is long together even with my wanderer speed hits. His Phase 3 still has health too. I got hits in and 3+ silk spears in (with volt filament), but he still lived. Died rush damaging him thinking this was finally the end.It this is it though, then yeah, Coral Tower was kinda fun.>>540540745Karmelita has an arena before her. It's annoying to do each time.Last Judge's runback, although not as bad with the quick way, is unpleasant. Without the quick way, I was filtered. Legit gave up.There are some other runbacks that could do with a shorter or faster path, but those are the ones that come to mind.There's also non-boss runbacks that are a pain such as the entrance to Sands.
>>540541151>sickness and death were sinswhoever took charge of the citadel after the weavers were fucking insane
>>540541478Well if your purpose is a lifetime of servitude and work, being unable to do that due to illness or being weak would be very bad indeed
>>540541437>That said he has too much healthFun fact: he has the 2nd most health in the game despite being a piss easy fight
So First Sinner is basically all about being relentlessly aggressive?
>>540541903BasicallyAlso use your Clawline. Idk why so many people don't use clawline in combat
>>540529005You should look above greymoor if you want to find the best area in the game
>>540542047i forger
>>540542814Use. Your. Clawline
How much damage does clawline do? Half of nail hit?
>>540543530One nail per hit. Thus 2 full damage with regular clawline and 3 damage with snitch pick.
>>540544180Just realized snitch pick clawline does the same amount of damage as silk spear...
>>540543530It does about 1-2 nail hits. So it's really valuable to use in combat + it closes the distance so you can hit them more afterwards
>>540541151The broodmother and her babies, probably.
why no NG+ mode? I don't wanna do everything from scratch again
>>540541478The conductors, architects and scrollkeepers took over. The scrollkeepers killed anyone who wasn't faithful enough, the architects kept producing pollution, and the conuctors were responsible for everything else like the silk ward and the hunts for the weaver's descendants.
>>540541437Last Judge takes 30 seconds. Nobody bitched this hard about Mantis Lords or Soul Master in HK and they were ten times more obnoxious.
>>540547358> like the silk wardAh. Guess that explains why Unraveled has the conductor's mantle.
>>540541437>Last Judge's runback, although not as bad with the quick way, is unpleasant. Without the quick way, I was filtered. Legit gave up.what do you mean quick waytakes at most 30 seconds anyway if you don't get stuck on the annoying flies
>>540549237You can skip a large part of the climb by jumping into a shaft that's above the first guardian on the platform above the entrance to the zone
>>540549237>takes at most 30 seconds anyway if you don't get stuck on the annoying fliesThat's assuming you do it perfectly each time. Occasionally I slipped or missed a bell and hit the worms. The more I did it, the more annoying it became, and the more annoying it became, the more I made mistakes 'cause it became harder to focus on it or to motivate myself. Since I was also dying to the boss a lot as I learned her moves, it was a point where the runbacks were longer than the boss battle. Or at least felt that way. Even TC, the ones that made Bilewater's runback, conceded and made Last Judge's runback easier (reduced damage from worms, and removed one of the flies).
This place is way too mean to want to smak every wall and shaft looking for secrets. Can I get a spoonfull of how to get to the area under my cursor?
>>540550850double jump
>>540550893Ah, thanks.Time to go fuck with The Mist, I guess.
>>540550850Pogo off a muckroach
>>540463472Counterpoint, focus impacts Clawline
do i need double jump to get witch crest? i just seems cool but i can only run fast, dash, and cling to walls
Do you guys think the fire enemies and fire daddy in Wisp Thicket have anything to do with Nightmare Troupe or am I just getting baited by fire and the fact that they wear red hoods?
>>540551051Oh shit, good idea. Thanks
>>540533226You have no idea how many people are hard carried by purple cogflies
>>540533081It was bad though, even my scrub ass beat it on my first go. Anything that easy is bad.
>>540539979it's the only combat style/moveset in fact
>>540541478totalitarian theocracies aren't known to be run by kind people
>>540551051That only works for the first jump
>>540551408>i just seems cool but i can only run fast, dash, and cling to wallsYou have to reach the two dudes in Sinners Road for it at some point. Idk if you can reach them without float or double jump or clawline.>>540550994Good luck with the Mist. Comeback to us if you feel lost.
>>540551409I think it could definitely be bugs attemptimg to summon the troupe. Karak and Verdania are dead kingdoms so it makes sense that they would have visited the lands, and maybe legends got carried down. I'm of the mind that they are heretical bugs seeking to burn away the silk in their bodies and keep themselves from toiling eternally after death.
>>540551532I don't even have that tool
>>540540745last judge skillchecked too many shitters because the complaints about runbacks were a day 1 thing
>>540550994The best bossfight you've seen so far awaits a the end, have fun
>>540552157you can get witch as soon as you reach bilewater by going through the mist. the bud doesn't need double jump, and there's a trail of pogoable spikes leading to the sinner's road npcs. you do have to float after the last pogo though.
>>540552097Oh yeah, guess you're kinda out of luck when you reach the one before the kitchen. Could always unlock the shortcut for later.
>>540550850speaking of secrets in that area:** there's a shortcut between styx and greymoor**
>>540552467You can? I thought the entrance absolutely requires coming from after being the little cogwork dancers
>>540551532NTA, I've gotten to Act 3 and don't even have the cogfly tool. Also abandoned poison for faster silk binding. How bad are these niggas kek
>>540552467>you do have to float after the last pogo though.Yeah, that gap was my concern. I figure either double jump, clawline, or float could do it, but he has none of those.
>>540552157Def lost, but, I think I see the idea to find my way through. Gonna have to pick it up again after work, though.>>540552397Thanks m8>>540552473Glad you said that 'cause I'm guessing Mist doesn't have a bench and the runback from Road is fucking AIDS.
>>540553007There is a bench on the other side of the mist.
>>540552542unless i forgot a wall only breakable from the vaults drop entrance to bilewater, there's nothing barring you from the bud as long as you have dash and wall climb.
>>540553150Yeah that's what I mean. I'm in the middle of a second playthrough right nowBut using the map from my first playthrough, the bud is where I put the pin, the little tunnel looking thing at the top of the shaft to the right, you can't actually get through. You have to break it from above.I remember being a bit disappointed by that fact because I did plan on getting his crest early just for pre-reqs for vesticrests.
>>540546507Honestly I wouldn't mind a NG+ mode. They could add that and a NG+ Steel Soul modeSo you'd have>New Game>Steel Soul>New Game +>Steel Soul +
>>540546507>>540556936A NG+ sounds nice, but how would you guys do it?Keep things like dash, clawline, walk cling and double jump on reset? Keep tools?Or maybe something like spools, fleas, and mask pieces should be shown on maps if you completed them in a previous run? Or maybe Shakra sell pins for them now, and the ones from a previous run will be marked if you got it before?Would you keep crests on a reset?
>>540557325Crests are by far the most important thing to keep as it's the moveset that's most importantI want a full playthrough maining witch
>>540558079A Steel Soul+ run with cursed crest from start to end sounds like something some might want.
this might sound weird but when i used to do this i got all my tools back but now whne i go back in her mind they don't reset. did an update do this? it was like this when i woke up today.
>>540558583Someone already did a challenge run like that lolHe had to edit his save file to get it to work tho
>>540560495Update, yeah.
>>540560495Some bug from the latest update, its inconsistent.
>>540560495bug from the last update
>>540561202
I got this item called the Twisted Bud. It keep screaming even in the inventory, what does it want?
>>540563063You might want to read a guide for this one unless you like to play the game on extremely hard mode.
>>540563063A mom.
>>540542047Clawline can be a mixed bag in combat
>>540563205But the game literally tells you where to go.
>>540563642I'm getting that impression. It's like a baby that was abandoned. Maybe it is crying out for its mother?
Also. Did any of you know that you can get Shakra to help you in battle if you go to Hunter's March before Greymoor? Or that you can meet Sherma in the Marrow before freeing the Bell Beast? There's one I saw in a picture of finding Garmond on the Sinner's Road, how do you get him to show up there?
>>540564204Wrong post, sorry.
>>540564456You can find Lace in Sinner's road too.
>>540564456I didn't know that was the condition for her to help, but I knew she could because she helped me out.
