Crosspost Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/09-04-2025-update.80693/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>540319487
>pumped 50 votes into Victor>he's genuinely painful to play right nowYeah, I think i'm taking him off my queue list for now
Bnuuy hero when?
>>540402245rabbits are not occult sorry
>repostingwhen they add clans to deadlock I'll create ours, it'll be:[HAMAS] Handsome Articulated Men Acquiring Souls
Wow it sucks
>>540401935All my deaths were to an Abrams because I am shit at parrying.
>>540402482it should just be "Articulate"
>>540402586we still won btw.
>>540402482>>540402632Also, you gotta watch out for [International Deadlock Fanboys], they might attack u
>>540402245Here you GO>Erm but thats not a cutesy anime girl?? And besides it doesnt even look like a bunsy bunney :cSHUT UP IDIOT IM KILLING YOU
>>540402482sure. I'm game
>>540402482Too /pol/ for me desu
>>540402925Wow cool!
>>540402218same. they gutted him and now hes just "farm and wait" character. zero variety per game. so sad and boring
>>540402925This somehow looks worse and less rabbit related than even the garbage the tranime poster spams.
3 more hours until patch!!!
>>540402925>>540402245You both should set a car on fire and get into it
>>540402482should have been the BASD clan, but i don't know what the acronym should be
>>540403687Shiv is getting another nerff, I can feel it.
>>540404152B should be Brooling.
>he is ratting towers without weighted shotsShiggty diggity
>>540404152based is now a normie and redditified term, you see it everywhere and in positive context[HAMAS] is edgy, provocative, unapologetic, that's what we stand for
>>540402349an uglycute hare would fit pretty well imhobut desu i don't feel like having another animal head hero, if we gotta appeal to the furries i'd prefer a kaiju or some shit like that
>>540404152BASED*fucking hell
uh oh mina downplayers. this isnt good!
>>540403383There probably is viable variety but this community is glacial at accepting new things
>>540402482Pretty cool, mine will be [ISIS]: International Soul Investment Specialists
>>540404825I dont understand this meta but its nice to see mirage make a comeback
>>540404743no, we should be something related to Christianity because nothing makes normies seethe more than that nowadays.>>540404825today I played against an ivy that maxed her throw viny ability first and it destroyed everyone. no wonder she is top tier>>540405034I guess some characters are better in a team comp than pub scenarios
>>540401935ah sweet another deleted op.
>>540405118>no wonder she is top tierthats the dogshit build. high elo is gun or full support.
>>540404841you can build gun and get as many pain battery charges as possible.
The clan tag should be [dlg], for dont look gay, naturally
>>540405249she was going gun. it is jsut that fucking thing fucks with squishs a takes a good amount of health
>>540399137Deadlock couldn't handle an ult like Spectre's even if it didn't attack
>>540404825a whole year of greytalon being untolerable to play against and still nothing being done to him.
>>540404841people have tried gun and it just isnt good. pure tank for sure doesnt work because he has no health and its already set on which spirit items work on him.
>>540405287Yea I think that is the right direction, capacitor is op right now and both it and pain battery scale off cdr
>>540405619
>>540405118>>540405118>no, we should be something related to ChristianityVenator Enjoyers
>>540405652Ive only seen 1 gun build revolving around breserker, the viable alt build has to be gun. his gun is #6 on the roster+he has no real cc+ his spirit scaling is good which counterintuitively means he doesnt need much for a big impact
>>540405882The fact he isn't called "Priest" is proof that he'll be pretty sterile religiousity wise. Christianity isn't allowed to exist in video games
>>540406458is there a chart of character guns sorted by dps i can see somewhere?
>>540405652guns the only way I've had success with him outside retards swarming your aura.
>deathly is blaming snaptap for losingWhat is snaptap and does it actually do anything in deadlock?
>>540405738I was testing this out and it did buttloads of damage
Serious question:How the FUCK is Deadlock so popular with zoomies?On twitter all I see are THOSE kinds of people making and retweeting deadlock fanart
>>540406458his gun being 6 dps wise doesnt mean shit when he just gets bursted down with a single silence
>>540406886valve has god tier character design.
>>540406886gooner heros (paige mina), new unique IP with stylized graphics, etc. I'm still of the opinion that this game will blow up with official release + deadlock TI series
>>540406886zoomers are movement gods
>>540401935Why doe she have a monkey face. Reminds me of a humanized donkey kong character
>>540404825>all the characters I have a hard time dealing with in my shitty rank are also the most picked at the highest rankw o wo ow o wwho could've seen it coming
>>540406726
I was going to propose something like NIGRS (Nigerian Instruments Group - Research Sector)
>you can double melee the Saphire sidelane t3 but not the amber sideWhat the fuck dlg im relying on you to stay ahead you are dropping the ball
>Play battlefield>80 kills, leaderboard god>Play deadlock>can't hit shit, like one kill, total damage slightly lower or equal to teammates but always bottom soulsI don't know what I'm doing wrong
>>540407512could a gun victor that uses blood tribute instead of his aura work? that way you're still farming batteries for 20% healing but with something that scales better
>>540403687You think they permanently changed patches to be at 5pm EST? wasn't it typically 11am EST before the new wave of characters?
>>540407512elephant on victor's gun sounds like a hilariously bad idea.
Anyone got those WIP images of Vyper's new model?I'm asking for a friend...
Paige has a boring voiceBoring design Boring dialogueBoring abilities aside from horsesbut everyone is fine with it cuz le coom design
How would you nerf counterspell
>>540408239She is not even hot. She is fat. The hag white woman voice does ruin her tho. Wish there was a jp dub
Paige bros...
It's kinda insane how much fan art Paige is getting
>>540407512Full builds are fine and dandy but what you really want to focus on is the opener. Pain battery clears the Mystic burst threshold so its too good to pass up even on gun, id go 1.mystic burst2.kinetic dash
>>540408460Vile
>>540401935Porn isn't hot if it's out of characterPaige wouldn't do that
>>540406652apparently some sort of razer keyboard functiondeathy is just a retard who is gradually getting his ego broken down by not being the best anymore as the player pool expands
>>540407723you have to farm the creeps for souls
Are we really going to get a patch or is that schizo coping?
>>540406886Deadlock isn't, porn of it is. Porn consoomers don't play the games they jerk off to.>>540406523Nigger you literally saw the same shit with vampirebat, Frank, punkgoat having their names changed from fairly descriptive to in-universe ones. Of all reason to worry this is by far the least realistic one.
>>540408770he was never the best at anything.reminder that it's his fault that we lost the 4th lane because he kept spamming videos about how overpowered the rotate soul sharing mechanic was and people believed him.
>>540408396+1s parry recharge delaythat way there is a clear trade off: it's a trump card in 1v1 encounters but makes you overall weaker to melee frontliners in big fights
>>540408926>>540407108>pornMost of the shit I see there is "le wholesome art ecksdee" by zoomies and zoomettes with pronouns on their profile. They really latched onto the game
>>540408747Honestly it should've been Geist doing the leg cross thing. Looks like only Paige and Mina have a good blender models right now though or something like that
>>540408425>dogshit design>dogshit design: japan
>>540408849I don't know how but even in lane we start lagging behind
>>540408953That almost killed the game, a dozen "fixes" that broke even more stuff before they threw in the towel and went to 3
>>540409085zoomers are a repressed pseudo puritan bunch. so with them it's a mix of porn/goon shit and le wholesome reddit shit. imo it's just two flavors of the same thing.
>>540407843i think his aura is way too good to pass up>>540407953>>540408648yeah, I am just spitballing here
>>540404825>sinclair/seven pickrate that lowwhy>>540404841i've tried pretty much every flavour of victor possible and none of them feel particularly good IMO. doesn't help that his kit is antisynergistic with items that are super good rn (fire rate not good enough for split shot or tesla bullet & capacitor, no good skill to put QSR/mercurial magnum on, can't go aggro early enough for trophy collector, fury trance is suicide). it feels like you're often trying to buy items just to be able to use your skills rather than to help you do your shit more effectively like you'd do on any other hero. on top of that his kit doesn't feel very functional at all esp. without talents, it's like they intended for 3 to be the main focus so 1 and 2 and 4 are just trying hard to compensate for the fact that you're gonna be killing yourself constantlythat said gun seems the most alright and >>540406726 looks good aside from QSR and elephant bullets, i'd switch those out for active reload/maybe surge of power (on 2) and berserker respectively. pain battery is just not putting QSR on cuz you need to kill yourself to even be able to use it. You defo need cultist sac and some item that lets you run around farming jungle camps (maybe radiant regen is enough, if not i'd go veil walker) since you're planning to scale late too>>540408648Extra spirit + extra charge feel nice early since they buff your healing too
>>540409085I blame Pocket. We got a they/them character in the game
>>540407573Stealing this once we start hoarding infernus cosmetics for market manipulation purposes.
>>540409281pocket is literally several things not just the boy.
>>540408953The solo lanes weren't removed because of soul soaking (which was also incredibly fucking ass cancer by the way) it was because they were impossible to balance and you'd always lose the game if both of your side lanes got horrible hero matchups
>>540409085Its the entry-level shit made by porn-obsessed people, every pronoun fag is a sex cultist
>>540409353You keep telling that to yourself, Valve aren't full woke (yet) but they did pander to this audience>>540408953Deletion of the 4th lane is good, fuck being a lane janny and fuck imbalanced solo lanes
>>540409262>whywe're still in the baby infant days of competitive, if we had like 10k more pro players there would definitely be some sinclair/seven one tricks showing how powerful they would be
Think valve will release a hero for Halloween? Hoping for a surprise Priest shadowdrop
Inhouse?
>hero designed to be a painful tarpit>NOOOO HIS GUN SUCKSGun cucks are hilarious. When will you realize gun heroes are second class? Half the old "gun" heroes like Shiv, Vindicta, etc are spirit now too
>>540409693valve employees are on state-mandated vacation until the end of january.
>>540409262Maybe im crazy but I've never not bought fire rate because the base fire rate was low, its always goodssnary
>>540406886it looks cool and is evoking a visual style/setting that hasn't been done in a while while also being both a moba and a shooter thats free
Guys be real with me. Is studying for my exams next week worth it? Will it get me a 16 year old goth vamp daughterwife gf one day? Or is it all for nothing?
fortitude ______ games
Did they nerf Victor again? I played twice as him today and both were miserable.
>>540409931>evoking a visual style/setting that hasn't been done in a whileI just wish Valve stuck to it more and expanded on the occult parts rather than dilluting it with garbage out of place designs like Billy, Mina, Paige etc
>>540409706in an hour
>>540410095people got better at realizing he's fucking worthless in lane and playing aggressively.
>>540409951kill yourself
>>540409987niggers
Do you think Vyper redesign will make her cute/hot?
>>540409212yea cause youre probably getting denied and not farming as efficiently as you should be. a wave is worth more than a kill from minutes 0 to 6
>>540410227neither because the leaked model was butt ugly
>>540409951You sound retarded. Probably a disappointment to your parents already. Maybe try not being an internet funny guy for five minutes and unfuck yourself?
>>540409951
>die 4 times in a row late game thanks to refresher stuns>thats 90s x 4>go do something else>game says I 'abandoned'no? You stopped letting me play. Sorry if I have better shit to do than stare at a screen. Maybe don't allow respawns to last so long? dumbshit developers.
>>540409353let's not be delusional anon.I love Deadlock and I actually like Pocket, he's cute.But Valve clearly meant for him to be some non-binary shit.
>>540409931that style looks familiar
>>540410187How do you play aggressively? Whenever I do that I just die.
>>540409895If you meant tesla bullets then it feels awful if your gun isn't built for it, Victor is a middle of the road example but i wouldn't buy it on abrams/pocket/warden either. Else yeah i think hybrid or gun victor defo needs some fire rate to function so why not go all in on it since the deepz is already pretty nice
>>540410958Do your best to trade cooldowns in a way where you take more HP from them than they do to you. Do this a couple of times, not all in one go.
>>540410958You get in, kill someone and get out
>>540410194Ion think that's bringing me closer to my goal :(>>540410367I'm always serious, no funny business chef>>540410470My heart is brown it seems despite my skin, ain't that a tragic tale
Is it just me or is vindicta shit now? She deals no damage until 30 minutes in
>>540410958kill all the troopers as fast as possible, if you have 3 troopers and they have none they HAVE to back off and you put them in a situation where they have to shoot at you or the troopers because they can't do both.if they shoot the troopers, you plink at them and get free damage.if they shoot at you, pop into cover for a second and then come back out and start shooting at them again, stall for time because the troopers are going to be shooting at them or their tower the entire time. if they hide, just take the free tower damage. some people get overwhelmed by this and just unload on the troopers and let you deny while they are reloading.count the enemy bullets and attack when they are reloading.trade damage efficiently, press your god damned abilities on cooldown.
>>540410958this entirely depends on which character you're playing
>>540411045I totally forgot, tesla has a internal cooldown so fire rate does nothing once you exceed the .25s a shot which victor does as base, its only cdr that can scale it past that point
>>540410095Yeah, this sucked. I'm starting to think that I should have stayed in Initiate. I'm clearly never going to get better if this is my performance 430 hours in.
>>540409951check out this mina comm I got https://litter.catbox.moe/u29pupaqnivke9m0.png
>>540411461her kit is good but her cooldowns are too long
>>540411817Yooo
>>540411817
>>540411817cute :3
ANY RECENT LEAKS?
In your retarded opinion, what's the worst ult in the game?
>>540412491Vyper's does nothing but fuck up plays from the rest of your team, gives me winter wyvern vietnam flashbacks even if that one's really good
>>540410958>>540411510this is excellent advice. what I will add is: the concept of kill pressure, each hero has a different kit that conditionally has kill pressure on the opponent, ex lash slam damage depends on the map environment, abrams needs a wall to charge you into.you have to know the damage threshold the opponent has to be in for you to be able to kill them with all your abilities. so the concept is to trade cds better and push wave hard until they are in that kill pressure zone which let's you go in on themalso if youre diving them, parry the damn tower so it stops shooting you or your lane partner
GamersThe new CPU MOBO and ram have been installed.Deadlock now showing 250+ fps
Every few posts is someone seething about Mina/Paige design its hilariously sad.
>>540412886nice, what's the juice?
>>540412886nothing can hold back yamato splitshot+express shot from turning your pc into a toaster
>>540412886what did u get
>>540412491vyper's, least doorman's is a direct target ult. vyper not only you can miss early one but in the late game you can easily fuck other teammate's plays.That character needs a rework.
>>540411817POGGERS
>>540413038vyper should be a character with no active abilities or ult. it should all be passives.
>>540410124billy I can see the point of >erm he's dressing like a late 70's/80s punkbut unless you just hate women nothing about mina and paige stands out. a socialite vampire and a book wizard whos obsessed with arthurian fantasy both fit perfectly for an alt history where america literally colonized hell that's vaugely 1920s>>540410786it's very evocative of 00's anime that edgy goth girls were into like dgray man/soul eater/chrono crusade/pandora hearts/tsukihime ect ect ect
>>540412491Ivy's is useless unless you are in a premadeVindicta's is massively telegraphed, the hardest skillshot to hit and only really hurts dying niggas
>>540413005We shall test that, shortly>>54041295914600k cpu, 16gigs of fast(ish) ram and new mobo All other components were leftover from old pc, namely 3060Ti Gpu
Vindicta’s ult becomes very funny when she can canonically hit someone from miles away and I whiff the easiest shot of my lift
>>540411461Stake changes killed her viability. Wait for buffs.
>>540412491abrams easily to the point where its probably bad on purpose because starting tank man with 3 other strong abilities doesn't need a great ult. long as fuck cooldown, telegraphed as fuck startup that gets him killed/CC'd unless maxed out, gets caught on terrain and doesn't even do much damage. at best its just a worse version of something like paige or lash
>>540412945But they are the hottest of the cast by far
I don't even know what Vyper does I've literally never had a game with one. Something to do with sliding?. All I know is she has great voicelines. I've seen two Sinclair total.>>540413475Billy is meant to be a nod to the whole satanic panic over metal and punk. Which is still a little out of place time wise, but in a vacuum it works.>>540413570>Ivy's is useless unless premadeIt’s not hard to cross map to join or leave fights for split laning. Or to just grab an ally with Urn. And even without an ally its a large silence, and with scroll its a large silence + ult. Not able to make utterly optimal use=/=useless.Or ya know, just ask the dude you’re walking next to if you can ult them.
>>540413570>Ivy's is useless unless you are in a premaderetard detected
SEX WITH THE DOORMAN!!!
I can see the argument about viper being the only ult that can actively grief your team but it also has a short as fuck cooldown so if the viper just uses it smartly/only in a 1v1 I think its pretty cool
>>540412945So many rabid fags in this wider community that it's starting to rub off on this thread a little.
>>540401935game needs more tomboys, a tomboy look for vindicta would work
>>540412645 >>540413038 >>540413570 >>540413859>No mention of paradoxGood that people know she doesn't have one
>>540414480ayo this nigga can't aim
>>540414480bro?????
>>540410470who is the president in the deadlock universe?
>went afk in the middle of a match>so sorry teammates>come back>match won and I did more damage than my haze teammateokay
arthurian myth was literally capeshit before capeshit was capeshit (same way hindu myth was shounenslop before shounenslop was shounenslop) and people were being big redditors about canon and if lancelot can beat up king arthur back before the internet made it so everyone was aware that some people are cursed with this autismso paige gets a thumbs up from me, not my kinda character but they clearly put some thought into it, paige being both pages of a book and paige like the guy who helps out knights is pretty bespoke too.
>>540411817nice does she like mangos? now vindicta
>>540414765arthurian fujoshi were real, even back then. it's crazy looking back on it now.
>>540414480even if you never use the swap for high IQ plays, it's a big chunk of healing + CC on a small-ish cooldown so you can use it to clutch out 1v1's
Anyone here use a Hall Effect keyboard?Are they worth it?
>>540414908Fun fact, during swap duration all spirit damage us stolen as life, not just ult!
>>540414685>could theoretically have gigachad Teddy Roosevelt that can magically bench press elephants or whateverVALVE
>>540414909i wouldn't trust magnets if i were you.
>>540414765>arthurian myth was literally capeshitpre-christian pagan mythos akshully. the arthurian quest for the grail figures heavily into some occult traditions.
>>540413475>thigh highs and modern sweaters were a thing in vaguely 1920s settingI get it your blood is busy fueling something other than your brain but its too obvious how dishonest you are
First time in a while I reported someone for greifing.Its one thing to die more than 10 times but while trying do something on the map or on fights, but another one is to just die 16 times and never even touched a single fucking turret in the whole match.
>>540414685>>540415051One of these I forget the exact year, this is asuming the elections haven't heavily diverged which they most likely did considering how different the timeline is.
>>540415051Isn't he busy killing vampires or something?>>540414765So the only good thing aboout her is the name, interesting.
>>540414851paige definitely writes doorman x victor fanfiction
>>540413859This shit can unironically kill you unless you are using it to chase low hp enemy. And thats without the mention of all the damn bugs.
>>540413475only thing about Paige is her skirt being a bit too short for a bookish girl considering the timeframe but of course there is always the arguement.>le different timeline!So it doesn't actually matter.
>>540415381I think Paige is technically a yumejoshi, as she self-inserts herself in love stories.
>>540414909no cause i wrote a script that emulates the behavior :^)
>sex with doorman anon kills himselfOR>random paige player kills himselfWhat are you choosing?
I don't much care for the mole
their visc>the intangible form>the mercurial god>PH D in physics specializing in ballisticsyour visc>takes the worst possible engagements thinking their hero will save them >punches you INTO WALLS to "help" with delivering the urn>somehow finds the 1 way to not build a hero who can build anything
>>540411739If you want something super autistic to mix max then it doesnt get better than tesla optimizationYou want to have exactly the right fire rate to cdr ratio so no bullet is wasted, if you have 1% too much it throws it off sync and you have to shoot an additional bullet to get the procFor the victor exampleBullet per second= 5.05Or 1 bullet per 0.198 secondsTesla internal cooldown at 0.25secondsTranscendent cooldown brings it down to 0.175secondsYou need 12% attack speed to sync with the new reduced internal cooldown so you would need to buy high velocity rounds and slowing bulletsFire rate is additive and cooldown is multiplicative so that adds another thing to compute
>>540415702all ivy players kill themselves
How would you feel if they brought back bucketing items into groups (before it was 4 weapon/spirit/health and 4 any slot) but now it's separated into each tier of item, counting 1s and 2s together?
dash shiv is so fun
>>540415702>vypermains kill themselvesI want that one.
>>540415702Ritual posts should be something unique, like the black women of valve, saying "sex with character" is just boring
i wish the one way vent inside mid boss was still there so i could fly through it with magic carpet to escape everything
>>540374938>>540373731>>540372865Ammo items simply cant be good since sliding for free ammo exists. I think they need to remove that thing it's retarded anyway
>>540416418I think they just shouldn't be. This is completely pointless. It's not amusing to see the same thing every thread over and over again. Especially if it's something negative, like "the black women of valve".
>>540404841>>540405287>>540405652>>540409262>>540403383>>540402218>not taking the active item + CDR + refresher pillyoure guaranteed to get all of them off twice including 3 ultsjust get veilwalker and then knockdown curse etc and run around ganking people
>>540416779Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Every vg thread in existence has had ritual posters
patch in one hour...surely....
>>540404825i'm a newshitter, why is eagle man banned every time nearly?
>>540415743what's crazy is he was tanking the walker during his ult and you still barely killed him with your full duration lifesteal
Metros billy video is kind of convincing me to play billy. There's more tech to him than I thought. I didn't notice that he has a faster light melee and that it doesn't stop his movement at all. Didn't know you could hold his 1 in the air too though it really doesn't seem like there's too much reason to do it
>>540417112strong laning that turns into a 800+ damage nuker late and a global execute that infinitely scales
>>540417112probably cause his owl has no counterplay
>>540417114Mo is just insanely tanky and kinda is one of Geist's counters. Mo is quite tedious to fight
>>540417112>Sits in a lane safe farming>Whenever team is in a fight or chasing a kill just sends his retarded low CD ult bird to stun>Traps are extremely good as an area control tool>Generally very good in 1v1s because of his damage nukes, traps, and ability to jump up outside of your range while he barely has to aim
>>540416896Why did you choice to tell me that it doesn't matter what I think and not to >>540415702 or the other people responding to that post? If my dislike of ritual posting doesn't matter, then neither do their preferences for its form.
>>540417135untrue, billy's light melee still gives him a slight hitch in moving. you can check this yourself holding tab in the lobby and press W + Q
>>540417469I've accepted ritual posts, i'm telling you that you should accept them too. Doesn't mean you can't criticize boring ones
Where in the house
>>540417601im stuck in a gacha dungeon give me a second
you guys told me deadlock patches on thursdaysyou lied to meI asked you in earnest if we were getting a patch and you said yes
>>540417714one more hour trust the plan
>>540417469>choice*chooseSorry, it's past midnight.>>540417578>Just accept it, bro. It can't be helped, bro.No. That's Russian mentality. And I don't see any non-superficial difference between criticizing boring ritual posts and criticizing their existence in the first place. Both are equally futile since you can't convince the person making them to stop or change.
>>540417714i thought yoshi stopped scheduled updateswhy are we expecting anything
>>540417547Why are you being autistic. It might not be 100% exactly true but his move speed is hardly hurt when he melees vs every other character and it makes a big difference
>>540418059>why are you being autistici play deadlock
>>540418059technically correct is the best form of correct
>>540418059fleetfoot should do this
>>540416878Im gonna ability range max + refresher and try to suicide bomb
When I was watching night shift last night I noticed someone parrying viscous goo punch, a raw parry, not counterspell, and it didn't seem to affect him at all when he did it....is something funky going on here or can you actually parry all abilities that count as melee? It's hard to test in training mode
>>540418491only viscous things
>>540418491It's only viscous punch and it's because of how strong it is in lane
>>540418491it's just puddle punch specificallyfun fact if you buy rebuttal you can reflect damage to him from anywhere when you do, you can kill viscous damn near instantly from it if he goes full melee build
Melee character.Map wide ult. Locks gun and abilities on every character, melee only for duration.
>>540417637saaaar
INHOUSELets have some fun games tonight33DBW33DBW33DBW
>>540419209Yoshi really thought this was the best image to use
>>540417383the fuck is this build?
>>540419403good? What do you build anon.
>>540419403This is a bog standard Geist build. If you go full spirit items you're a fucking drooling retard (seen echo shard Geists recently too, wtf???)
>>540418564>>540418571>>540418609wtf? it seems crazy that this would apply to the ranged melee attack specifically and none of the others. Honestly it should be applied to all of the other melee abilities if they'll let you do it vs viscous', which is reactable. Don't see the argument as to why it shouldn't especially considering how strong Billy's bash is
>>5404192097/1233DBW
>>540404841>>540407512stomp game but it felt pretty good ngl even in lane
>>540419575It's to do with the range and how spammable it is in lane. Cry babies like lefaa bitched about it for like 8 months
>>540419575maybe because the ram actually puts you at risk and puddle punch doesnt
>>540419209sorry storms brewing not risking my power going out
>>540419575because you can get puddle punched 4 times in a row and if you couldnt parry it'd just be cancer
wait it's fucking AustraliaI'll have ping 250
>inhouses fill pretty quickly nowbros... we're so back
>Bear statue >Bull statueIs he in?
>>540419815problem?
>>5404192093 players needed33DBW
We should shuffle the teams before the game starts
>>540419209probably won't make it to the first one, might join in later
>>540419683Still should apply to others for consistency. There is nothing that would indicate that you can parry viscous' punch at all.>>540419735Ram isn't melee, bashdown is, it displaces you, and it heals him/gives him max health, and it's on charges like viscous' punch. Max upgrade also counts as heavy melee which is the only melee ability in the game that can do so iirc, so it has outright better synergy. Goo punch is annoying but my point is that so his billy's bash and it seems pretty fair if you could parry it especially considering billy generally wants to throw in melee's too so there would be some type of mind game where you could reactively parry there bash and he would get a free light melee after or you could not parry bash then fish for a normal melee parry with the payoff of stunning him if you guess right
Anyone ever just random get on and quickly off a zipline and send yourself flying at massive speed? Any way to replicate that?
I love everything about Viscous except the ult I just crash into walls and do nothing.
>>540419403optimal? post your build so we can laugh
>>540420256it's a very tight timing and idk if there's a good way to practice it but yes it's a known thing and I think people call it coyote zip or something like that. iirc basically you have to jump off the zip within a very small window where you first touch the actual zip and start moving. Hard to time because it's not actually clear when you're fully on the zip
>>540420256Press crouch and then dash, ziplines remove your air friction temporarily, and using crouch to get off them preserves that until you touch the ground.
>>540419457>>540419541>>540420387samefag webm poster
>>540420140billy needs his combo to function, viscous can do it from a generous range and since it the parry timing is more or less sound based (nobody looks for the puddle visual), he can bait out parries (if no rebuttal anyway)
>>540420526Schizo type shi fr fr no cap
it's too late for me already and I'm tiredgood night and enjoy inhouse
>>540419209what do these teams need to look like
>>540412491Its Abrams, like the other anon said his ult is bad because the rest of his kit is so damn good, but even so it's just horrible. He's the only character in the game besides Mirage that doesn't feel like he gets a meaningful power spike when he levels ult. Other people were saying Vyper, but her ult gives her a lot of kill potential early and later it serves as a powerful, instant interrupt for important enemy abilities
>>540420549>billy needs his combo to functionbash is a safe way for billy to be able to get the benefits of blasted and specific items, which proc off of any melee. In a theoretical situation where you could parry bash, you wouldn't get displaced nor take the bonus damage from the bash but now your parry is on cooldown and billy can hit you with a melee for free and again bash is a charge so he can still do another bash. My whole point is mainly that it's in a similar spot of viscous' punch outside of being ranged but billy gets universal benefit from all melee and even with rebuttal it's not like you can spam successful parrys back to back. Like I said it creates some level of mind game where you actually have to choose which attack to parry, as bash means he doesn't get risk free heavy melee benefit but he still gets to get a free melee while your parry is on cooldown....but if you choose to not parry bash, you take some immediate extra damage but now you can potentially stun him if he goes for a normal melee.
>>540419209STILL NEED 333DBW33DBW33DBW
I want to test some stream settings on new rig so im spectating.
>>540417578All ritualposts are dogshit and actively ruin the thread, you're part of the problem
>>540420967>33DBWgonna try joining but i am not good nor have good ping
>>540421061theyre only for fun anyways. 0 stakes. I often play the inhouses matches drunk since they happen quite late in Europe
>>540421061if you try to play seriously in these you will lose sanity.
no patch. deadlock is dead.
>>540419209NEED 1 33DBWalso opinions on shuffling?
>>540421247give it 10 minutes
>>540419209What are the inhouse reqs? What MMR is accepted?
Thorax slut, join the players you fuck
>>540421247>no dota patch>no cs patch>no deadlock patchthey're definitely working on half life 4
>>540421282just do it once before starting. Some sweats will see the other sweats and intentionally choose their side
>>540421282i am ok with it.
>>540421374I pick the side with the good players to be a sandbag throughverbeitum.
>>540421374There are no sweats in the inhouse nigga>>540421282Looks good on my machine
>>540421282sure, why not
>>540421304just go in an fuck around
>>540421304eternus 8 minimum
>>540421304none reallyno one is even remotely close to phantom, in here currently im pretty sure. Maybe 2 or 3 archon players. if you do bad then you'll probably be laughed at but these games don't count on your rank or anything and you shouldn't take them seriously.
What did he mean by this?
i'm sorry for that one game kevin ulting...
kevin ult should be purple and should freeze everyone inside except kelvin
>>540421661well i'm above that but i usually troll. will be trying gun ivy this game tho sorry
>>540421983even teammates
>>540422205yes
no patch it's truly so fucking over
deadlock... deadLOST
>>540421661i'm oracle v and climbing after a big decay though but i dont really sweat in these
mina and ivy abusers won...
>>540421282AHHHHHHH LET ME IN>tfw terrorized pubs with stinktor instead of playing with /dlg/ retards
Lashbros how the FUCK do I play from behind? I can fight on even terms if the enemy isn't completely pushing us over but in a midgame where the enemy is just steamrolling I feel worthless. Even when I get a good deathslam if my team doesn't actually have enough damage to take advantage and kill the people I snatch I can't kill them myself if the initial combo doesn't do it.
who actually makes good guides for this game?
First time playing dynamo, preferred builds? Anything I should know?
does anyone ever use the doorman cart to move allies?
>>540422795What did they win?
How do /we/ fix Sinclair?
Veil Walker Bebop is so much fun>Go invis>run by enemy drop my bomb on them>already out of their view by the time they turn to me
>>540408747True. And Paige 100% has a bush.
>>540423146perpetual virginity
>>540423121together's builddont be afraid to ult less than 5 people
>>540422950Switch to partial gun lash to chip them down. hollow point, opening rounds, Sharpshooter, maybe glass cannon or Crippling headshot
>friend wants to play>literally doesnt know how to lane whatsoever>if i swap to be in his lane it's a loss 100% unless i win the lane by myselfim so tired
If they ever rework yamato they should really make her more melee based. I also wished her sheathe skill was an actual timed ability too instead if you just a charge ability you can sometimes do earlier
>>540423493>man I wish she was even more of a brickAnon melee based as melee and parry currently are is a bad idea.
>>540405118>that maxed her throw viny ability first and it destroyed everyone.Kudzu is a fucking meme ability, how low elo are you retards?
>>540423418Why are you trolling him
>>540423039don't say metrolock
>>540423564works for billy retard
>>540423607>kudzu is a memeDumbass. That shit is huge in mid-late brawls and objective fights unless you're going 100% gun carry Ivy.
>>540423615Almost nobody seems to go gun on anything unless unless it's an aimbot hero so I figured gunlash wouldn't be worth trying, especially with his staggered firerate.
>>540423615What am I supposed to say? The truth? That if you fall behind 100 souls you are better of afking?
>>540422950you don't.
ngl this was probably the worst shuffle yet, could've said so if i realized pregame lel
brawlbros, dotachads are laughing at us again.....
What's the gimmick with Shiv? Just stack knives and then wait 20 minutes or are you supposed to be diving with his dash?
>>540424763decay
>>540424620>dota>chadslmaoooooo
>>540424601can you guys end then so I can join vgh
>>540423890no, retard. it fucking isn't.it's only good at a couple thingsit's only good purely at clearing waves, when you're knucklefucking people with ult + 3 and bonus damage for when you're taking an objective, retardso only against stationary targets since anyone that has a brain (no one in your elo LMFAOOO) just dashes a singular time out of it even with greater expansion and tier 5.
how does a drifter that got fed a bunch of kills only have 50 more dps then an abrams without any gun items at all? does it not show his 3 buff in these stats or is abrams gun just that good?
>>540424601shuffle 100% of the time makes the games worse.
>>540425143a shit ton of his damage is conditional.headshot debuff, attack speed on hit, armor reduction aura, random crits.i don't think even point blank is added to DPS since that's also conditional.
>>540425143if you're genuinely looking at gun stats thinking that's the actual damage they do you're clincally retarded.Doorman has low meme tier DPS on his gun yet out damages every single gun character besides a stacked haze early game.that number also doesn't factor in his broken as fuck 3
>>540425141yea AOE has never been useful in mobas
swap to EU west?
How the fuck does massive ass Mid Boss fumble like that turn into a W?
>>540425143it does not show his passive on the gun for some reason yeahAlso, it’s odd because he seems to do more DPS than what it shows usually
>think to myself I'll only play one inhouse match>game is so fucking awful I need another one to wash the taste out of my mouth
GGS, I got to go.
That sinclair beam steal was pretty kino ngl
Every since the six hero update my stats have been absolute dogshit.I dont run whats meta that often, and I didnt really before the big update, but ive never bottom scored on almost everything this much. Its like every game
>>540425312not an argument, retard. I accept your concession. now leave your shitlow alchemist takes in your empty skull instead of shitting up my general, thanks.
>>540425412Fumble? The tranny ass ivy was being a patronizing douche by giving us the rejuv just to draw out the stomp longer
Dont enable duplicates clowns
yo SPECTATOR niggas, fill in
Door man game?God, I remember the almost full bebop team>Ooks ready. Ooks ready. Ooks ready.
>>540425467Why would I ever buy this
>sorry you cant play that hero because it overlaps or someshit>ignore the 3 doormen on the other teamI cant play 2 of my heroes wtf. Dont really feel like getting raped on victor right now
>>540425512I'm not making an argument and I'm not that anon. Kill yourself pathetic faggot
Stop shuffling with spectators in the lobby, also ready up if you're a spectator or just kick em if they won't
>>540425745uh oh, alchemist melty!!!
Guys you don't get shuffled into the slot from spectators no more the thread worked!!!Feedback worsk!!
WHY DO WE HAVE TWO BEBOPS YOU DUMB NIGGERS
>>540425798I will curbstomp you irl weakling
>>540425719low cd, crazy movement, BARRIER
niggers why are you all spectator cucksready tf up
wish there was a 6k titanic magazine upgrade.
More Bebops, more
i just kick the one who wasn't readying up
>>540423124I have used it 1 singular time and that was to grief my faggot whining Victor and toss him into the enemy team after he annoyed me in VC.I really should do it more
Post the lobby code again so someone who can ready up can join
>Region: Englandlmao nevermind
>>540425971it should build into lucky shot ngl
>>540426037you can just ctrl+f but ok33DBW>>540426092ENGERLAAAAND
NEED 233DBW33DBW33DBW
>>540426135I'm already here, just sick of waitingREADY UP!!!
>>540425971+1000% ammothat's it
>>540425886
>>540426170>>540426135Call me when it's an AMERICAN inhouse and not this tea loving faggotry
>>540426092wasn't bongland supposed to be china walled already
>>540426170filled and started*sorry forgot to stop the auto
Before at least you could punish bebop with killing him so he loses stacks, now its just nigger spam again, i guess Jonas faggot cried too hard on stream about nerfs huh
>>540426293Scared pussycat?
>>540426330bebop is still shit so i fail to see the issue
so why is Victors health so retardedly low even with big green investment?
>>540427019because he can heal himself. especially when he is low health
>>540422950Ive got it... vortex web then slap an alchfire
>>540426775Hes being picked in comp occasionally so i fail to see how hes BADAnd hes even better in pubs than comp
>>540427019He's spiritually a haze alternative
>>540427019because he was good for 3 whole hours and it's too much for a manly white character to be good for this long in a valve game
is spirit haze a meme or legit
>>540427460lash is a manly white manvictor is a faggy gray man
>>540427481the fact that this is even a question to you saddens me.use your fucking head, moron.>the only thing that scales with spirit in her kit is her 3 proc damage (LMFAOOO) and her dagger>2 scaling literally does not matter in any wayno, it's terrible. i'd go so far to say if you're going spirit haze you unironically deserve a temp ban for trolling.
>>540427019because he can self heal. oh whats that? infernus has 3.7k health with life steal too? oh...
>>540427639>lash>manly
>>540427405It's because he has a better paradox ult on a 10 second cooldown
I do NOT care for Hunters Aura.
>>540427840>proc anti heal on Infernus>he pops Infuser and 2s into my whole team>he literally cannot be damagedfantastic, I think we should nerf Victor one more time.
>>540427960yes gay men are manlier than straight men, pussy is for faggots lmao
>>540428217could be worse. paradox can build no green items and can have 100s of more health than victor
Wild, mythical, "fed Victor" spotted. He backdoored us on account of nobody being able to fucking kill him while he took the last chip of the bosses health.
are you guys still playing? I joined the lobby again to watch but nothing is happening
>>540428931yea ingame
>>540428931we're in a match
It's a fun game but literally nobody is ever gonna play a Valve ever again, their fuck ups with CS and DOTA which has a baked in playerbase of several million are so legendary this game is almost completely dead on arrival.Literally the only chance this game has if Riot creates a copy or someone else gets it, else it will stay permanently at a sub 10k playerbase.
>>540428931Its 29min into the game anonMatchid: 43263235Or spectate at t.tv/ cl_ogar0
>>540429092>>540429103this is what i get when in lobby.>>540429141alright
>>540429132don't care didn't read, kys namefag tranny.
>>540425141Idk why you insist on calling it bad I've seen spirit & debuff Ivy's drop those things on team fights and objectives and basically guarantee deaths or said objective.
>>540427827Wrong. Duration of the sleep wakeup state, the invis, and her ult all scale with spirit. Also dagger has very high scaling so it is a viable nuke
>>540430197you're so fucking right, bro. go queue spirit haze RIGHT NOW.you WILL be useful and won't be reported by your entire team!
>>540429571I see people all the time think this trash is going to pop off or something, but you simply need to get this into your fat skull, NOBODY WILL EVER PLAY A VALVE TITLE EVER AGAIN 2025. the population of games like DOTA or CS has been literally decimated or reduced to 1/10th of what it once was based purely on Valves retarded incompetent management,
>>540430612>the population of games like DOTA or CS has been literally decimated or reduced to 1/10th of what it once wasyou have no idea huh
the calico build that breaks how bullets work
>>540430612>Checks dota steamdbYeah...
>>540430736Fucking light show Calico build
>>540429141what's the last match ID?
>>540430658You clearly don't and are in full cope mode sinking like 10k hours in the most literal doa game ever.
WTF I LOVE VICTOR?>pick victor for the first time>giga lose lane against goatfag>0/4>remember someone saying "get 30k and win">challenge accepted, I'll do my best to not die now>spend 30 minutes in jungle>take every camp, every sinners, don't even show up on lanes unless i know its 100% safe >if someone shows up, I run>by the end of the game I'm literally unstoppable>1v4 a fight>end game with 5/4/7 and most soulsfeels good manI really dont mind playing farming simulator for 30 minutes if it means i turn into a god (of agriculture) by the endgame and carry every fight solo.I just hope this strategy keeps working out. All I need is for my team not to play too aggressive if we lose lanes. Surely that'll NEVER happen.
>>540430786you know the numbers are public right? dota has been stagnant for almost a decade now, and cs2 is bigger than ever
>>540430612see >>540429571
>>540430612exactlyyyyyyyy yesssssss queencs and dotard are dead games!!!!!
>>540430832its been growing again recently.
why did a victor run last inhouseare we all pisslows vros
im never playing vyper again
6/1233DBW33DBW33DBW >let victor get to 50k and then he won the game
>>540431057Drifter trolled the game...
There are Dotards in my thread
>>540430987yeah bebop is intiate
>>540431187Dotards run this shit.
>>540428872>>540430801>>540431057Wow he really is just worthless or broken with no in between huh. Like let him get to 40k and he just wins the game himself unless everyone counter builds him specifically.
>>540431325DoubtfulThis game actually updates, this is new and scary for the Dota player
>>540431057>letalright, YOU run into their jungle and attempt to find where ever he is and kill him twice
I avoid the inhouse because I started playing this week and you've all probably been here for a year.
>>540431187
>>540431187problem?
post last inhouse stats
>>540431338This really isn't proof of Victor being broken, it's more proof that perma farming is broken. If someone wills it, they will make it so you are not fucking allowed to play THEIR game.
>>540431468This was my first inhouse, i did alright (supported the fed victor and got carried off his back)aside that, it's somewhat relaxed ish
>>540431405you guys had like every walker and weren't able to make a pushit's not really about stopping him, but ending the game early enough
>>540431468last match one team was so bad the other literally donated the rejuvenator and they still lost
Someone post the Match ID for the first Inhouse, the one with over fed Ivy
>>540431581also you bought focus point instead of curse which actually disables his 2 and active items
>>540431581We weren't really trying to win the game we could push we just didn't bother >>54043168443259892
>>540431057i mean it's what happens when one team would rather brool and scale meme builds than actually end the game
>>540431584Yeah, like, what the fuck happened there, were they just retarded?
>>540431057NEED 433DBW33DBW33DBW
>>540431810The backdooring Mcginnis in question
>>540431684>>540431801oops, wrong id
>>540431889kinda funny they just let mcginnis do that for so long
>>540431826it was just an unbalanced matcheveryone lost lane, nobody really had a positive K/d.bebop was running around with 650 damage double bombs
>>540431859this time for sure
9/1233DBW33DBW33DBW>>540431725scythe of vyse when
>>540431494her wolf form is hotter btw
>>540432036I meant specifically with the Rejuvinator, did they literally give it up on purpose?
>>540432149Yeah we just left it in pit and went to go farm
>>540431859NEED 3
>doalock players think their game has a future because 300 players or something recently logged ini'm actually helping and telling you if you enjoy playing this game get riot or any prestigous game company(not Valve) to make a copy or buy it else it's literally dead on arrival.
>>540431187>dotards are making this game
>>540432194>TF2tranny mad his dead carcass of a game got abandoned and is now trying to doompost in the game actually getting attentionLMFAOOOO
>>540432194mad and balding that the game is fun as fuck to play?
>>540432190give me a minute nibba
>>540432194>riotnext you'll say actiblizz
>>540432036the geist in the first game was probably the only threat and she'd repeatedly jump me and split my asshole.
>>540424763He is shit and people are trying to gaslight you into thinking he is not>mid damage>le ebin 3 of immortality is actually shit>no CC, no escapes, too brittle to tank>only saving grace is the ult but you ain't killing anyone by yourself
Are you an Amber Hand Enthusiast or are you a Sapphire Sissy?Remember the Amber Hand always has the upper hand and the Sapphire Flame are flaming faggots.
Now that deadlock died, what are we playing?
>>540432428>he has already spent all his freetime playing a dead on arrival game, literally kys >>540432330Already dead, funny considering the name,,
>>540432557You bebop or ivy? because I felt more threatened by Ivy than anyone else
>>540432720rimworld with all the porn mods.
>>540432783(1)
it is extremely rare for me to not end a game with 14+ deaths, like it happens 90% of the time honestly. also i am last in souls in every game
>>540432720Carnal Instinct
>>540431543herro?
>>540432783just a jar of souls WAITING
i vote for less dishonest characters in the lobby
SAGA
>>540432720Deadlock 2
SAga, just pick a team
>>540433253hecute though
>>540432980It's extremely rare for you to get a game at all considering the playerbase.
come on you goober pick something
can we start now?
>>540433253
>>540433278>>540433325I was pissing you adhd niggers relax
>>540433253I wanted to play dupes last one but you niggas turned it offI was forced onto a dishonest nigger tier hero that way
>>540428154it's more of a support item desu, same with heroic aura.
>>540432194>biggest update yet>10 new heroes for people stopped playing last year>all the big streamers played it again>peaks at 60k and starts falling back downyeah this game is doomed. It peaked 2 years before it's actual release. This is after 8 years of development as well.
>>540430451>Spread information>Get corrected>Have a meltyyour life must be filled with constant joy
elo MM is utter trash but can they at LEAST fix hero comp MM
is the vertical range on victor ult infinite?
Are the inhouses phantom+ only?
>>540435162Alchemist- only
>>540433253>>540433570>>540433325>>540433531Nice discord
>>540435162We allow phantom 1 2 3, 5 and 6, we do not allow phantom 4s for obvious reasons, and obviously all ranks above and below phantom are welcome
>>540401935Am I going insane or did they slightly tweak the door placement for Doorman?
>>540435482They only tweaked the man placement
Vyper or Ivy fun gun carry fun?I'm very bad at carry btw but I want to improve.
>>540435769ivy if you want to winvyper if you have soul
My drifter builds were conceived at the bottom of a crack pipe
>>540436032likely hobby for a homeless cretin
William played his heart out unfortunately we had migu
Having two people with 23k souls on a 33 minute game is just too crippling with the way this shitty game is "balanced" right now.
did the game crash? i was taking a leak and it was over
>>540436797calico
>>540436797The patron has crashedInto the floor
>>540436787i wasn't able to farm. I was too busy not fucking dying>>540436837>>540436864next time ill just do it in my pants then
>>540436759honestly it was the abrams shoving me in a locker and right after you swapped hp with me. though that was a really fun game as billy anyway. also if I see a calico splitshot again im ending the game that shit brought me down to 25 frames
>>540435352Game isnt even out yet and theirs already a dicksword plaguing the general lol
mid boss really needs a name because I've seen so much confusion on whether calls for "mid" means push mid towers or go mid boss
Unironically impossible to stop mcginnis push when you have mirage on lane
Hear me out, they keep Urn but it only shows up if the soul difference is less than 5k<
bro joins and picks a slot then just specs not readying up
>>540437000ping the walker instead of mid? call it blue?
Will probably get some texture tweaks or different animations in the future or different effects, look mostly finished and already have unique effects and animations>Abrams>Dynamo>Billy>Doorman>Drifter>Ivy>Geist>Lash>Mcginnis>Paige>Paradox>Victor>Haze>Infernus>WraithStill somewhat unfinished, kit may or may not need work>Calico>Kelvin>Mina>Mirage>Pocket>Seven>Shiv>Vindicta>Mo and Krill>WardenStill using Neon Prime model>Grey Talon>Yamato>(technically) VyperBlatantly unfinished and need a ton of work done>Holliday>Sinclair>Viscous>Vyper
I'll sit this one out. I wanna watch good player play
mark u have to ready up
>>540437000Agreed, I want to murder that nigger Yoshi for not giving it a proper name or just calling it Roshan.
>>540436938no more calico lightshowwas funny tho
>>540437091I am ready
Singularity range is way too big for an ability that has no startup or warning
>>540435891thisivy has shit lane gun, but evens out because her utility is decentvyper is the quintessential gremlin even though her kit is kinda trash, but nothing beats holding down m1 while sliding literally across the map at mach 2
Watching this random part of Deathy's stream and he's playing shiv and dominating. I watched from the start and he just does so much damage then I look at the CS and he's somehow up 7k ahead of everyone but one on the enemy team and he's literally only farmed 2 camps total. Is he smurfing? How is this happening in an eternus match
>>540437195>>540437000they might not want to keep it in the game and if they give it a name it's sadder to see it go
>>540436936>i wasn't able to farm. I was too busy not fucking dyingYou're low on farms because you lost lane which results on the enemy snowballing out of control because that opens up the entire map for them.They can now roam, take your jungle, buffs, urn and sinners sacrifice uncontested now with mild resistance and any attempt to stop them results in you either dying because they're ahead or losing something else which snowballs the game out of control while also opening up slots for them.>>540437265Dynamo has ONE thing you know exactly what he's gonna fucking do.
>>540437064what the fuck is this list?makes no sense.
>>540437616>Dynamo has ONE thing you know exactly what he's gonna fucking do.yeah and the range is impossible to account for when it's like 50x wider than what the visual indicatesIf he has a fucking 20 meter wide singularity the black hole shit should look that big
paradox still has the worst gun in the game btw
>>540432194this is bait, stop replying to him
>>540437325Link? I want to play shiv
>>540432330NTA but TF2 is honestly more exciting now than it was over the past 6 years when you consider mods.But I guess 99% of TF2 "fans" are allergic to mods and just want to jerk off to their inventory of hats.
>>540437325ngl this happened to me too, i was like 0-7 in lane and never farmed jungle creeps then somehow ended up at top networthyou get a couple solo kills and you just skyrocket in networth (especially if your team was losing the souls boost is crazy)you are hard to push out of lane too so you just get a ton of money
why didnt mcgnnis place a sentry there? could have take the walker
mo and krill is unfucking playable when everyone just just dash out of his fucking ult range before the animation starts
>>540439261shut up you downplaying retard
>>540432783party is full??sheesh
>>540439261Your warpstone?Your greater expansion?
>>540439261your phantom strike?your magic carpet?
>>540440218my builds dont have that in there should i be building them???
>>540438319There's nothing to look at. He is not doing anything special that's why I was shocked at his net worth. It was like a state mandated free win or something, they won at 24 minutes and yes it was a confirmed eternus match. It really makes you believe that the ranks are meaningless like that.>>540439261gee if only every popular M&K build had you get common mobility tools...
i use this one and i keep losing
>single out a character on sinclair stealing ice dome in a tight corridor>get flamed still after the important core i singled out diesI hate these retarded faggots so much
How do I make Wraith work in high elo?She's fun on low elo but god is she absolutely terrible on high elo>terrible on early gameher gun's damage is terrible, the only real damage that she can pull is her card, but the thing is, it takes way too long just to get one card. whereas characters like Mina or Infernus doesn't take that long to get their charges. And even if she able to build her items. Most late game carries are extremely fast, it's impossible for me to actually track any of them. What do I buy?
>>540440913are you buying capacitor? Can purge their speed buffs
lmao the yamato was angry as fuckNiggerginnis does it again
Dumdidaj is RAPING as miku
ggs, got a flight to catch tomorrow so gtg
>>540441053I did but it barely help, plus you usually need to get up close just to hit them because they're fast as shit.I mean it helps but, is this the best items for this regard?
I have no idea how we just started raping them so hard.
Niggerginnis killed inhouses gg.
What did I tell you? What did I tell you? Hyper farmers insta win, it's not just Victor.
>>540441253Telling the mo and krill to ult the 10212133291129 souls mcginnis for the first time is not being angry, it's common sense.
well didnt expect that to happen sorry for being a ball and chain with a briefcase
Why is paradox ult so short? seriously it's a fucking ultimate.
>>540441307almost 4 hours of inhouse i think its a good time to stop
https://streamable.com/lf310zHere's your eternus match bro
>>540441296bcus you have the mikutranny piloting his broken low iq ape hero on your team.
>>540441296our carry was a 3/8 warden with no souls despite us winning the game for most of itretards on team = auto losseven if you're ahead and do everything right the game is so badly designed that one or two retards not doing the absolute minimum is a guaranteed loss
>>540441414he still lost that
>>540441396Good cus im gonna play a better game instead of stomach yet another game of mikunigger and hypercarry friends.
i don't know where my damage as billy wenti just stopped seeing heathbars go down
I genuinely did not see mo and krill ult the McGinnis ONCE.Did he even get phantom strike?
>>540441606It would be hilarious if he did just because this warden was on his team last game which he lost pretty horribly
did i miss inhouses again
you missed mikunigger houses, so not much of a loss.
>>540441697literally no one was focusing mcginnis except the yamato so she always had time to setup while we supported from the sides
https://www.twitch.tv/cl_ogar0/clip/VivaciousAttractiveAntelopeCorgiDerp-Mu_9CANvwboG3ARKMiku RAPE
>>540437856most finished to least finished
>>540440467you should be building at least one of those or magic carpet or phantom strike in every mo and krill build
>>540441289probably not , why isnt your ult enough though? can try slowing hex too
why so serious lmao it's just inhouses
>>540401935>Vortex Web into a 4 man stun cartMy dick is diamonds.Also I haven’t played since 5 days ago what did they do to Doorman’s portals? I drop like 30 frames when I’m placing them now, it was jank but smooth before, it’s the game checking per second if it’s okay to place a portal there?
>>540442152i think its still fun to banter afterwardsdesu no matter how bad inhouses get, they're still infintely better than solo queuing.
>>540441349"GROW A PAIR"kek
>>540441931>no pocket sand on the mcginnis>kelvin ults the airWhat the absolute fuck
>>540404825>/dlg/: VICTOR AND DRIFTER AND INFERNUS AND SEVEN AND HAZE ARE SO OP>also /dlg/: MINA AND IVY ARE TRASH
>>540442152>duhh who cares if u get raped and have no fun cuz ur team lets the enemy get fed and steal all ur jungle and get hyper farmed!!! its just for funs lulz!!!!kys nigger, I wasn't even in there but I understand the frustration. Mobas are not games that are fun when you're playing correctly but lose to pure stat numbers because people on the other side of the map are playing poorly and letting someone else get loaded on money
>>540440467Follow a build guide but add your own things... I'm assuming you're using the first top daily mo build and it's literally a meme. Always get warpstone on mo for easy ults.
>>540442339it's not even the case in these games, it's just that leading team BROOLS instead of hyperfocusing objectives and then gets outscaled
How the fuck do I farm back up after blundering my lane? I hit boxes, I dash and move around like a god, I clear waves, I clear camps like lightning, yet I'm still fucking bottom 1 in souls and I do not fucking get it
it's legitimately embarrassing that they have fucking esports for this shit already but won't fix matchmaking
>get a complete retard on my team>0-5-0 at 8 minuteslet me leave, stop being a nigger
>>540441525ngl i have no fucking idea how to farm without dying in lobbies where people are actually clearing every jungle and sinners sac and asking for help to do shit on the map 24/7aside from dying less i mean
>>540417547are you confusing sprint with move speed?
>>540443063monster rounds to make farming faster/easier, boots or some other movespeed equivalent for rotation speed. there's a reason cult sac is so strong
wtf speedmaxxing Dynamo is actually extremely viable
>>540442240>they're still infintely better than solo queuing.They're literally just solo queueing now, if I wanted to get rolled because I got the coin toss dead weights while the enemy picks broken horseshit like Ivy and mcginnis might as well go play the normal game.
>>540440518Nigger I didn't ask for your professional assessment. I asked for a fucking link.
With someone like Lady Geist, with three individually useful and strong spells, is it possible to build around any one of them?
>>540443483no, succ and the damage amp are not worth putting echo shard on
>>540443347>stomp wave>press maxed 3 and fleet foot>go to next lane wave>repeatROLLING AROUND AT THE SPEED OF SOUND!
>>540401935>play for the first time in days>placing Doormans first portal now slices my framerate in half>second is fine>their existence is finevery cool valve, thank you
>play new hero>go on 8 game win streak>doesn't matter because all of it was "low impact", despite playing with players that have hundreds of games on their heroes>impact rises>lose twice>lose all progress, and then someWhat actual retard thought of this system jesus christ. Put that dev down like a dog.
>>540443730>fight breaks out on the other side of the map>press 3, use fleetfoot, heroic aura, proc surge of power and healing tempo>arrive in 0.02 seconds>press 4>winsinple really
>>540443730Why is this fat fuck allowed to be so fast
>>540442773I do wish that as the host I had more control over the match. Along with the fact that there needs to be more features like a chat so it's fast to communicate. Also>Anyone can shuffle, start the match, and mess with settings.>Spectators are required ready up for some reason???>Matches just skip the leaderboard.>If you don't get the match code the leaderboard at the end it's gone.>People who join the lobby while a match can't spectate and need the inner match code to even watch.
>>540444195meant for >>540442240
hey guys. i found it
>>540444828Can you damage someone in there
>>540444985not sure. i am alone on sandbox mode
>>540401935>win match>don’t want to requeueThe pendulum swings back so hard guys I hate it so much
I wish they hurried up with that McGinnis bikini mod already
what should be done about the splitpushing problem
>>540445179nothing, it's not a problem
guys wtf why does the pre round area look like this now?
seriously, next patch that's NEVER EVER coming out needs to fix MM hero comp for each teamthis is getting out of hand
>>540445258They should have everyone surround the laster player that loads in and we all get to throw snowballs at them or something
I wasn't even on this team and I'm upset at the matchmaking, good lord.Valve devs genuinely need to be fucking shot.The worst part is that the game is so snowbally that having this mouth breather as your lane partner means that the next 30 minutes will be nothing but excruciating pain solely because the coin landed on tails, this game is genuinely gonna die (again) until they fix this shit, it's genuinely disgusting that it's been over a year and this problem is somehow even worse.
>>540443210thank you anon>>540444985yes, if you send someone to the hotel and a sinclair copies your ult and sends someone else there as well, they can both fight in it
>>540445360this but with the paige player
>>540445404>Valve devs genuinely need to be fucking shot.You have issues wtf is wrong with you
>>540445404oh no hungry taco underperformed, we should kill people about it
>>540445541If I sat on my ass for 2 years pretending to do work while siphoning 200k dollars a year as my payment and dozens of thousand of people suffered because of it every day that would be grounds for execution, yes.
>>54044540418 deaths is like genuinely appalling, but how does he still have more damage than this afk farming inferniggerThe latter kind of deserves to lose for that too
>>540445404you shouldn’t be this mad about a incredibly common issue in every moba
>>540445641>but how does he still have more damageI mean if you're running into the enemy permanently forcing a fight and pushing your buttons on cooldown you're bound to have more damage than the guy playing safe trying to not die because he's forced to a 5v6.
I can't believe Krill enslaved Mo and abuses him and it's canon
>>540445640Mass shooter ahh posts. Log off.
>>540445852>ahhlol nigger zoomer
>>540445972>>540445640malding retardo boomerlennialyou have ended your genetic lineage
>>540445972What a shock, the person making death threats is also a racist. You people get tilted at video games, that's mental weakness.
>>540445640matchmaking is probably intentionally in the state it's in right now. it's not like this is some unsolved problem. they have their own cs and dota mm algos to use and whatever dozens or hundreds of papers have been written about the topic.
>>540445404I looked that guy up and HOLY SHIT LOL.This guy is a CERTIFIED ELO TERRORRIST and yet he's going UP in ranks, prime valve matchmaker at work.This is not cherry picking this guy has genuinely lost like 17 out of the last 20 games and even on the wins he only went positive like twice.
Reminder that if you've played for a few months, or god forbid more than a year, and you complain about matchmaking, it's your fault. You should have made friends a couple months into the game. You should be playing with your buddy premades. But you are an unlikable schizo who constantly whines about the other players despite being nothing impressive yourself, and that's why no one likes you and you are still stuck in solo queue like a cuck watching other people have fun.Truth nuke on you faggots.
>>540446303>this guy is ranked higher than me>his rank is going up when he loses>my rank dropped from Ritualist 3 to Arcanist 5 in one dayHow in the fuck is matchmaking working
>>540446691you keep feeding and then the matchmaker puts you higher to grief even higher ranks
>>540446691It doesn't.It feels specially bad right now because of how snow bally it is and how important it is for everyone to at least do their basic job.
I want to enjoy this game but idk if "MOBAs" are for me. Like, if I lose a fight against someone I'm not supposed to adjust or mix up how I fight them, I'm supposed to run away and farm NPCs until I buy a big item? That's so tremendously unsatisfying, like I'm used to games that are 100% skill, but this game is like 25% skill 75% how many items you have.Maybe if these NPCs were fun to fight it would be okay, but they just stand still and do nothing. Farming is about using your big aoe attack, if you have one, then holding m1 on them. Then you slide into some boxes on your way to another farming spot. Again and again. This genre is so bizarre. Its like the worst parts of an RTS frankensteined with a shallow action game and a wonky shooter. Cool down combat is lame.
>>540447258if you don't like mobas stay far away from this game
>>540442706Cultist sac
>>540447258>not supposed to adjust or mix up how I fight themyeah stop playing you will never understand
whats with the angry troglodytes that start getting angry over mic or text? They always go negative k/d and coincidentally most of the time get angry at me with no one else saying anything, Its prob bc I'll say something back.Had a bebop start doing this not even 5 min in he had 4 deaths
Consume slop
>>540447626Elaborate.
>>540447697the playerbase is full of retards who don't realize it's smarter to sacrifice the tower and defend walker instead of just running into losing fights over and over and over and over
Im going to the county fair, later losers, enjoy your jungle creeps LMAO
>>540447258>if I lose a fight against someone I'm not supposed to adjust or mix up how I fight them, I'm supposed to run away and farm NPCs until I buy a big item?farming NPCs to buy items is how you're able to adjust and mix up how you fight
>>540447697Not as bad as the "strategist" who starts directing the team despite being mid as fuck and gets mad when everything doesn't go according to his grand plan
>Hazeso this is a nigger tier character right? Haze/geist laneHaze completely ignored creeps and just sat in mid and spammed M1, went max faggotaids so the stacks just dont fuck off. There's no counter other than someone like grey talon. They need to add guns that fire bullets, it's faggoty that I'm simply disallowed from dealing any meaningful damage because she just aimbots on the bridge non-stop and the clifflip gives her too much cover. Just so faggoty.
>>540448067haze is one of the best laners in the game despite all the schizo downplayers who live here trying gaslight everyone that she's bad. she chews up any hero that has a short-mid gun range
>play doorboy>place doors>fps tanksnande..?!
>>540448618>valve hears the complaints about how finicky the door placement could be>now the door checks every nano second if it can be placedYour doors will always work but you better place them instantly before your CPU grows a arm to strangle you with
>>540448767it was always fine on my machine YOSHI FUCK YOOOUUUUU
>>540447737Off-model
>>540447914I get thatHonestly I think I'm just using lofty critiques to justify being annoyed I lost several games in a row. Whatever.
Kelvin needs heavy nerfs.Remove the heal from his nade.Remove the hp regen from his ult.He is now balanced.
>>540446646
>>540447737brap
character not even released and theyre already trying to cancel it
>>540450831A "priest" going around killing people and summoning some heathen patron is blasphemous.
>>540450963he's on vatican business, not technically blasphemous if that's his mission
>>540450831will the left ever stop?
>>540446646Personally I enjoy the bad matchmaking so i can stomp shitters
>>540450963there's nothing more badass than priests killing a bunch of people thoughever
>>540450831he's a muslim (icefraud's religion) priest and he's based, as is every muslim person
>win as hero>rank remains>win again as hero>rank remains>lose once as hero>derank
>>540450963he's fictionalas in he's not realjust call him shadow priest (no affiliation with dota).the people on the secret test server must be a bunch of gigantic lefty faggoids.
>>540448618many brazilians have this problem
>>540451474the game thinks you are bad and you got carried for those wins, and puts you in a hard game to test it, when you lose the hard game they assume they were right and demote you
>>540451474>losing your promo game
>>540451818you're probably right I just think it's metrically retarded that the only way for the game to consider you not carried is for you to have an 8-2 KD with top player damage. You can have top obj damage every single match and it doesn't mean shit
>>540451818I am literally going 19/1/25 in those wins, fix your dogshit game yoshi you useless waste of sperm
>kids don't know anything about the dota mmr systemwinning is what counts
deadlock needs an indian hero, where is the love for the indian community, icefrog?
>>540452070Well they could still be super lopsided mmr games like +8 +8 then -20 for losing >>540452105counterstrike had/has SOME performance based MMR
>>540452212mirage is close enough
>>540437325>Watch it>getting destroyed>"unfortunately my hero does nothing against Mina. I should have played Mina"People continue trying to gaslight others into thinking Shiv ain't Shit.
>>540451561leftists love blasphemous depictions of clergymen and christianity. they gush over Doom Eternal and Trigun
How do I deal damage as Lash?
what's the more fun kelvin build, nade or beam?
>>540452212Valve wont allow rape in their games
>>540453023Fly up and slam down. Then whip them, your whip does bonus damage against Wraith, Infernus, and Calico
>>540453212ayo, hol' up.
>>540453023if you drop kick while standing on the ground you are already playing him horribly wrong and should just stop.
>>540450831>can’t have religion>can’t have anything sexy>can’t have politics>can’t have difficulty>can’t have style>can’t have freedomare games just supposed to be super violent hallways and nothing else, people need to shut up already it’s nothing but bitching online.it’s always pointless bitching for attention
I played less than 2 hours of Deadlock when i got access to it earlier in the year. It didn't really hook me but I want to give it a shot since I have thousands of hours in LoL and it seems like it could be fun. Does other MOBA experience translate well into it or is it better if you're good at shooters (I'm not)
>>540453535It's unironically russians just fueling fire online to get them mad about every little thingthey have weaponized trolling
this onna them new gender symbols aint it?
>>540450963he's killing criminals, vampires and lowlifes, it's okay. And him summoning the patron is probably to exorcise it and tell it to fuck off or something
>>540453893he will wish for the rapture OR the resurrection of charlie kirk to kill charlie himself with his bare hands
Since gun Ivy and gun Kelvin are the popular thing now, how long until gun Dynamo becomes the popular 'support' acting as a carry?>max quantum entanglement turns him into wraith but with 3-4x the base gun damage>kinetic dash is multiplied by quantum entanglement, basically never need to reload>3rd highest health scaling in the game>30% bullet shred and fire rate slow on stomp, win any duel>naturally gains bullet resist with levels
>>540454083Gun dynamo used to be really popular
if the character has a good gun, it can be played as a gun character
Why the fuck, does Billy, do so much melee damage, so much gun damage and never fucking die? he should only get one of the three
>>540444828It's literally inside the baronness isn't it?
>>540454083i haven't seen any gun dynamo players succeed recently, the stomp build is way more popular.
>>540454209explain vyper then
How does someone use Mina if you aren't a member of the "aiming community"?
>>540445404>only 18 deathget on my level *dies twentythree times*
>>540452746Oh no no AHAHAHAHA LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD
>>540454343build sustain items to survive your lane and stay active to farm bats once you get ult.buy survivability items and cooldown reduction and do your duty as an ultbot.
>Work till midnightNo inhouse :(
>>540454659So... pretend she's Seven?
>>540454343You ARE a member of the aiming community, you're just living in the slums.
>mina is underfed>2/4 ass nigga>still have to buy counter items not to get chunked even when you are 1v1inggay ass shit
>>540453212>>540453317I mean I deal a lot of damage, but not frequently, and usually to one or so character so my damage at the end is like half the team average
>>540453893his wish should be like Grim Grimoire and make the patron do charity acts in the name of God
>>540454981yeah you sound like dead weight.pick another character if you don't have the brains to always drop kick from the air or even do his basic combo.
>>540454823inhouse never lasts till midnightit's always near 3-7 EST
>>540454343boot up aimlabs
>>540455451No. I'm not a faggot, troon, or "aim tooler".
Good lane Bison.Playing Yamato against two people rushing spirit shield is exceedingly gay
>>540455539>refining a skill you use constantly in a game you like to play is being a troonyou must lead a sad life
>>540454981Your whole shtick is to dive bomb them and get out. Then come back in again. If your on ground level for more than 5 seconds you're doing it wrong
>>540455607Bro, I'm a 40 year old father of 2 with a mortgage and career.You think I have time to sit in some faggoty little trainer program to click circles faster?
>>540455715i work shifts at a hospital, popping through a few scenarios in an aim trainer takes 15-30 minutes
>>540455715Enough time to bitch about not being able to do it.
>>540455546that was a funny gamei didn't get a kill till like 20 minutes, fuck that doorman toopretty sure that deadhatz guy used to also be in inhouses last year
>>540455715If you have time to browse 4chan you can spare 10 minutes a day to practice
>>540455350Nigger I understand his kit, it’s not rocket scienceIt’s just 2>4>1>3 every time>>540455683Yeah I get that, the combo isn’t the problem
if you just play the game and focus on improving while playing you don't have to use an aim trainer :)
>>540451645odd projection
Mina has the single worst projectile hit box in the game, holy shit.It's smaller than Haze AND Seven's...How the fuck are you supposed to use this cunt?With an aimbot?
you don't need to click heads to be good at the game even at the highest mmr bracket, the game is not a shooter, it's a bad moba
>>540455869Post a build you're running. You should also be getting active on Lash early on. Literally dive into the enemy and hope your lane partner isn't retarded and follows up or gives you an escape route with your 2.
this game will never be good until they add mana for using skills and split experience from gold, it is simply a shallow and boring experience, severely lacks depth, that's why people play for 1 month after a new patch and then fuck off
>>540456147It has a natural bloom on it, even on the first shot. It's to encourage being closer so you can't plink out Love Bites at max range.
>>540443063did you build cultist sacrifice? that or trophy your only bet, but trophy is riskier if youre truly getting owned
>shiv>deadly monster hunter slash bounty hunter whatever>he looks like a retarded elvis impersonator and has a wooden arm for some reason???this game's artstyle is crap
>>540456289It's funny how it's always the carry heroes that do this. Had a wraith last night go 9-0 and on their very first death just immediately left lmfao
>>540456628He has a wooden arm because joining the Baxter Society means you need to sacrifice a part of you, and they give you a magical replacement in turn. Everyone in the Baxter Society has one fake arm.
>>540456628The baxter society will remember this post
>>540456645>Grey Talon keeps fishing for across map Owl kills>gets mad at team when full hp Abrams doesnt get jumped immediately after just tanking the damagethis playerbase is fascinating
Where the FUCK is my PATCH!?Yoshi!?I want to Queue ONLY Haze + Seven + Victor, but you WON'T LET ME!
What deadcock hero has autism
>>540456645every hero is a carry (except for paige and dynamo)
>>540456861Haze.She is 100% definitely on the spectrum.
>>540456703>>540456728Theirs are metal. Elvis boy running around with a fucking pinocchio arm
>>540456628placeholder model from neon prime that's 1-to-1 in every way other than recolor to the skin btwif you arent a gamedev maybe eat shit and bite your tongue to avoid looking retarded
>>540404841It took people this long to realize that Gray Talon is broken, specially his 1 and his 4. Although it is true that his 4 was gigabuffed beyond reason, keep in mind that his 1 has received nothing but NERFS for over a YEAR. And right now that ability can do over 200 damage within less than 5 minutes of game with only 2 items. Lategame you two-shot anyone that isn't a tank. It's fucking absurd how bad this community is at discovering metas
>>540457016>n-no the artstyle WAS crap but... but... BUT IT DOESN'T COUNT OK?!
best character to onetrick for a new player?
>>540457060thank god they made the secret playtest of smart people that allowed mina ult to release like that.
>>540457194Don't forget week 1 Victor and Drifter...
>>540456973Metal is a societal construct
Spirit Vyper is broken
>>540457118whichever one you have the most fun on
>>540457060this>going 6/0 as Mina (lol)>grey talon's nuke takes almost all my health instantly>die before I can react
>>540457389I was one-shotting Mina with my spirit burn on Talon. That hero cannot exist if a Talon has his sights on her
>>540457389>playing MinaThat was your first mistake.
>>540457068genuinely sit down and write out an explanation for your logic. Yes, I think the assets designed years before deadlock established its artstyle are not reflective of what the final product will be. Explain, using words, why you think this isn't the case.
>>540457378i don't know what any of them do
Which characters are still missing their final designs?>Vyper>Yamato>Beebop>Seven>Shiv>Haze>Gay Talon>Moe+Krill Did I miss any?
Macro retard here. When should I be keeping my creep wave close to me, last hitting instead of clearing and pushing?
>>540457118InfernusWraithHazeGrey TalonHolliday, just read a short guide on exploding her barrelsif you melee them while in the air they go in the direction you're looking and blow up on contact
>>540457462It's pure cope that it's a placeholder model. Absolutely no evidence to the contrary
>>540452212isn’t that shiv>looks brown/indian>shiv is a hindu deity>rapes your underfed teammates >gangrapes in pro scene with ult
>>540457558I watched a video of a pro player and he had a Yamato in his match with a totally redesigned skin. Is there an exclusive version of the game for pros that we’re not allowed to play?
>>540457597if your lane partner dies or wanders off you should freeze laneotherwise always shove so you can take farm from boxes/camps
>>540457597Never. Too easy for the enemy to steal your jungle if they have the space, you need to contest it.
>>540457558Sinclair
are you supposed to shove the lane all the time unless there's a fed enemy going around ganking everyone?maintaining creep equilibrium doesn't seem to matter if everyone has long range attacks for last hitting
>>540457669Yes. They also have 7 additional characters.
>>540457597you should be aiming to shove the wave into a walker or at the very least keep it neutral (around where the bridge in the middle of the lane is) so you have space to roam and steal/contest jungle
>>540457060whenever mina/ivy get looked at the meta will just return to seven/infernus/warden being OP. gun infernus is still insanely strong, this community is just led around retarded clickbait pushing the spirit dash build
>>540457498mo and krill is kinda easy and tough to kill if you like being a front linerpaige can buff your teammates and has some "fuck off" spellsmina is a tough but rewarding caster with infinite stackingbebop has a funny hook + bomb and big fuck you laseri'd try bebop first
>>540457498any kind of playstyle you think would be fun in particular?
>>540457597there is almost no scenario where you want to even attempt to control the creep wave like this is some regular ASSFAGGOTS game.towers are extremely shitty and easy to dive.if your lane partner dies you can tank the entire creep wave until they come back so they don't miss out on souls.if you dominated your lane so hard and so early that you take their guardian at 2 minutes or something you can buy monster bullets to tank their troopers by your tower and spend all your time and effort to push them out of exp range. this actually works and absolutely FUCKS shit players up because there are no neutral camps to farm yet.those are the only scenarios i can think of where it's better to try and do something other than killing the troopers as fast as possible and then fucking off to do something else.
>>540455836The doorman was literally alone on walkers the entire game just putting a door to ult into cart someone into them and I don't think he got a single kill doing that, that guy was fucked in the headPlayers at this rank can be something else, just played against a lash that lost 90% of his hp before the lane even started, literally the first 2 seconds after the first drop from the zipline, I want out of it already
>>540456226I usually run some variation of heavy spirit, some green mobility, and whatever items are useful to counter the enemy team, like knockdown or silence wave/disarmI’ll post it after this match
why is Ivy melee absolutely shitalso nerf her gun Yoshi asap
>>540457597unlike most assfaggot games shoving is USUALLY the correct play, it removes options from your enemy and gives you options
>>540458031>The doorman was literally alone on walkers the entire game just putting a door to ult into cart someone into them and I don't think he got a single kill doing thatyou just described 60% of doorman players, the other 35% are bell spammers and don't do anything else
>>540458031If I was a doorman player I would rush refresher and echo shard so i could ult, cart+cart ult cart + cart people to death
>>540457904thanks, I'll give them a shot. infinite stacking sound fun like veigar or something>>540457940big teamfight ults once i learn when to teamfight. i like fiddlesticks in league which i know is way different than anything in this probably? i tend to like tankier champs too but not sure how they work in deadlock
I've only been playing Essence Bomb Geist, and I just tried Xeno Geist, and it's much more fun.now if only I could aim...
When will sun wukong get added to deadlock? Every moba needs monkey king.
>>540458409Mina isn't the only one with infinite stacks btwDrifter and bebop also have it but mina is probably a bit more integral to her kit
>>540458683grey talon forgotten again.... heya hoya
>>540458764I had no idea he got spirit power from that lol
I just realized how to fix the snowballBring back the ability to deny walker souls
>>540458459Life drain maxing is best geist. Just get a ton of resistances and extra hp with charges of that and you will never die it's crazy. If they do manage to get you low just hp swap someone
>>540458409>big teamfight ultsDynamoKelvinBebopWardenLashSeven
>>540458874its real important for him but i never get more than like +20at least boundless spirit increase all overall spirit by 15%
>>540459006Would make ratting less gay for sure. Why did they ever remove that?
>>540459006you were only able to get back like 800 souls from stealing those orbsshit like kelvin beam made it a breeze too
>>540457558paradox, design wil probably be mostly the same warden still has old lash's model
>>540459127yeah i don't get why they removed it, at the very least you were punished for killing a walker just barely and then running away instead of having to stay to secure them.still don't get why they changed item slots either, they keep downgrading this game for no reason.
mcgunnis or turret debuffer?
>>540459574gun is strictly betterturrets are funny in shitlow though
>>540459574I kind of miss old shop so you didn't have to compromise.
>>540459127One of the many ways they've dumbed down the game to mindless brooling and FOTM picking.You used to be able to deny ALL souls.Tower dying AND teammates dying.>>540459225So just fucking make it so kelvin can't rape beam them all?It doesn't apply only to walker either.
>>540459352The "pro" players dictate what kind of fun we can have and what balance we can have.
>>540459801you're dumb.
>>540456289>mfw i got two of my smurf accounts to phantom in 3 days each playing punch sinclairlmoa
>>540460034t. lash nigger
>>540457625>it's pure copehe has a neon prime portrait btw
>statlocker promoted me from low emissary to low archon>game still shows me as high ritualistmy average lobby rank has been increasing though.
>>540457625>it's pure copeu can see his icon in the top right of leaked neon prime footage btw
Deadlock is a very inclusive game, it has heroes for braindead people even like mokrill
>>540460151https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqJsU0iN_UI
>>540460151>>540460280Let me rephrase cause you seem retarded. There's 0 evidence his design will change in any way, even in this supposed "real" model.
>>5404603513:00 u see his hero portrait btw
>>540460280Were shivniggers just as annoying back then?
>>540460481He probably didn't have cringeletting so no
>>540460351>>540460456he's in the video at 5 minutes.
this is the VP coach...?rank 12/12 is his most common? and 8 is his average?
>>540451561>>540452820>Leftist faggots>Lower ranked playersDid they just confirm leftists are bad at the game?
we need a hero to represent charlie kirk in the game
>>540452212A sikh bro would be cool.
I mean, if you're not buying armlet on victor you're basically a shitter that needs to get out of here
>haze>can debuff remove sleep dagger, debuff resist>can use metal skin/warp stone vs ult>can disarm her>infernus>metal skin worthless since he's hybrid damage>warpstone is worthless because the floor is lava >debuff remover only removes stacks that immediately reapply to full>disarm only works for 3 seconds, still likely the floor is lava>slowing hex, but if he was initiating the floor is already lavaso how do you counter infernus?
is this worth playing right now or should i wait until it releases for real?
>>540461247yes.
>>540452212Valve hasn't even dropped the rep for their biggest and most valued fanbase yet. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a saudi rep before we get a jeet rep.
>>540461247both, dont take it seriously but the game is much better than 1 year ago
>>540461247game is like 50% done I'd say
>>540461482>More like 50% dead.
>>54046157850% lock
new thread doko?
>>540461810>>540461578Fifteen percent concentrated power of surge
Why SHOULDN'T I get elephant rounds on Gay Talon?
>>540461291>their biggest and most valued fanbaseyes, where is the israeli hero, icefraud? the god's chosen people demand their representation
>>540460796victorbefore he gets ult i mean
>>540462046his gun already has worse travel time than most
>>540462071>israeli heroinfernus is right there
>>540462252we need a real jew up in this bitch
>>540462046there arent any elephants in the game
>>540459801i forgot how satisfying it was to just punch all the souls that came out of your retarded teammates.at the very least they could just make one soul pop out or something as a consolation prize for watching your teammate die.
>>540460426>mcginnis was a prime recolor>gets new model>yamato is a prime recolor>yoshi openly confirmed she is getting a redesignkeep up that talk
>>540460426let me rephrase it tooyou are a retard and you should kill yourself
we need to get a fu manchu that speaks in broken chinaman english and says shit like MAN WHO RUN IN FRONT OF CAR GET TIRED, MAN WHO RUN BEHIND CAR GET EXHAUSTED
>drifter mina mo kelvin lash dynamo>completely immortal team>cant jungle without dying>game is just completely fucked with mo face tanking everything and being healed>literally cannot fucking see during the fight>randomly get tossed into a blackhole, team killI can't think of a stronger team, it's just such a nightmare. made me actually uninstall
heros for an adhd sperg?
>>540462973haze infernus wraith
>>540462939DA HUNT BEGINZ
I genuinely loath mcginnis players, no matter which side they are on. Rat characters attract the most useless mouths who crumple the instant pvp starts
>>540462973magician
>I play mcginnis>enemy team kills my turrets as soon as I put them down in lane>enemy plays mcginnis>I aim the turret down but it gets to shoot a bunch before I can kill it because my lane buddy ignores it>we lose guardian before 5 minutes
>>540462973holliday/yamato/sinclairall the high mobility very high skill ceiling characters, you always have a ton to learn and a ton to perfect
What's the most annoying/boring nigger to lane against in your stupid opinion?
>>540463216I judge how competent my lanemate is by how soon they pick up monster rounds vs a mcginnis lane. i laned with a doorman that just ignored me when I told him in chat that monster rounds apply to his bells. I wish I could strangle people digitally
>>540463324paige
>>540463324haze/infernus/warden
if you play big body tankers I don't respect you as a person
>>540463517what about medium body tankers
>>540463324Kelvin and Mina and it's not closefuck that retarded ass AIDS beam
>>540463324Doorman.
>>540463578dont exist
>>540463324kelvin, mina, bebop, infernus
This mina kept complaining that the enemies "wouldnt let him play the game" when he just kept pushing the lane until their walkers and diedI guess he was just used to people ignoring lanes and letting him ult the walkers for free? I also saw him literally get stunned out of ult by the walker before dying again to the enemy team.
>>540463358monster rounds dont work vs. mcginnis turrets or with spirit damage thoughever
>>540464041just shoot the damn turrets wage slave
>>540463324Sinclair that understands s/he’s a walking mortar that do a 90 degree turn
>>540433770I accept your concession, dogshit monkey. stay in alchemist where you're asking genuine questions about fucking spirit haze.
>>540463998these people have been ranking up playing this way, they hit a brick wall, and it's my fucking problem
>>540463883billy?
Hey you! yes, you anon. Are you ever actually scared of a paradox? even if if you are 10k and she is 15k.
>>540465079ult? don't engage unless I have some flavor of CC or a buddyno ult? ZAMN PARADOX LOOKIN JUICY
>>540465079>are you afraid of a map wide repositioning 100% slowing silencing heroyes nigga I do be spooked
>>540465490>20 meters, map wide.Right...
>>540465079I will make them afraid.
is there a dotabuff equivalent for deadlock
>>540465643statlocker wants to be it but it fucking sucks
Dead game
deadlock needs more goonbait or it's never going to beat overwatch
No matter what skill level, games should not last 50 minutes. Shit is so freaking boring. Give me a hard timer or something.
>>540466287league brain
There's something about gun Dynamo that just makes it pretty mediocre. I think it's the long quantum entanglement animation you need to do just to get a lot of your DPS. Of course it's great for support and spirit cuck dynamo since you use it to dodge nukes and shit, but for gun Dynamo it really feels like it's slowing you down.>>540466287Your mom gives me a hard timer.
>haze on my team disconnects>my mina he's laning with says "uh yeah hes not coming back sorry">this negro got so angry at getting denied that he ragequitted on his own two queue'd friends and left us alonewhat kinda worthless bitch ass nigger do you need to be to behave like this bro wtf
>>540466345Hm? How does League handle uber-long games?
>>540466287I don't think i've had a 50 minute game in my last 100 hours of playtime
>>540466372you forget this is most of humanity
>>540466372full on quitting the match is just bitch made behavior. no fun for either team
>>540466485Then you wouldn't mind some changes. Thanks for your feedback.
>>540466454They don't. League is a game designed to be decided in the laning phase, so you can surrender as soon as possible to start another game. There are no long games because the game is made for surrendering.
>>540466454It doesn't. You get the option to surrender starting at 10 or 15 minutes depending on quick play/normal queue respectively. People rarely let a long game happen.
>>540466582>>540466584Okay I don't really get why that other game was brought up then if games never even run that long?
>>540460689A lot of coaches aren't actually especially talented at what they coach for
>team is on the backfoot>let's be super passive and let them farm the entire jungle
Oh man, even when I actually have a good game as paradox I realized I'm just not having fun with her anymore. It's so much effort to make her decent, meanwhile every single game it's against the same braindead hold W heroes that make 3 green items and do more damage than you. The early game is always so miserably unfun. And you can't even farm because her really long cooldowns don't allow that, so you gotta retardedly broool like a moron.
feeling old and washed but also I haven't watched any replays or guides to study in areas I see myself lacking so I could be doing things to help myself
>>540467171her gun is great for harass and bomb lets you farm pretty reliably between taking waves/spending your ult
>wondering why my mina randomly left lane cause it killed me and the guardian for no reason>eventually enemies say she is throwing on purpose>open menu to report her and she was premuted>she literally just got mad about something and when I didnt respond ruined the lane and inted afterwardmobas bring so many mentally ill people
>>540467235>her gun is great for harassFor one level yes, as soon as the opponent gets a cheap fire rate item it's all over, you will lose every single dps trade assuming you aren't playing against drooling retards.
>>540467429have you tried having good aim
>>540467345That's just one more thing they're testing in the Alpha.
>>540467462Almost always have more crit than regular damage so yes, It's just exhausting to play her.
yo wtf people are STILL picking viktor even after /dlg/ told them not to
>>540467345yeah it's the sole genre where people can go from "I've never seen this man in my life" to "I need to ruin the next 30 minutes for my allies" in less than 4
>kill waves>try not to leave lane if a wave is available>jungle and sacrifice between>game ends>bottom of my team's soulsfrustrating i don't really know how I'm moving poorly around the map
Give me ONE reason why we can't stack creep camps.
>>540467538wtf are you doing, just running at people shooting without any plan? she should regularly out trade people if you can aim well and use your abilities with any amount of thought lol
>>540467615depends on your hero, the current meta has flash farmers.
>>540466653because leaguebabs complain about long matches in games.
>>540467615you probably killed troopers and neutrals too slowly because of your character or build choice.post a replay.
>>540467707>she should regularly out trade people if you can aim well and use your abilities with any amount of thought lolThat's fine, my real current problem with her is her farming speed. I can go even or win the lane but as the game goes on it's pretty much guaranteed that you will be lagging behind on souls if you aren't 24/7 hunting them and brooling.
>>540467463>>540467584It was my first game of doorman too and somehow I was better than her and 3 other teammates in that game. Nice matchmaking, toxic asshole and 3 retards on my side
>>540467962yeah there's some players that seem to only exist to hinder human beings
is there a trick to csing as paige in lane? her projectile is slow so it's easier for enemies to deny.
>>540417271>what is counterspell
>>540467962If you don't rate how you feel on a scale from 1 to 5 then Valve will never be able to understand.
>>540467957Her ult has a very short cooldown, she is the hero to hunt people and fight, especially 1v1 or 2v1. If you find that unfun or exhausting, she is probably not the hero for you. She can take camps with bombs pretty reliably as long as they're not T3s, and pushing waves is quite easy for her, with anyone who tries to stop you almost guaranteed to die to your full combo if you're ahead.
how much unreliable gold do you lose when you die irl?
>>540468040It's so maneuverable you can just 50/50 mind game them and go back up to waste their parry
>>540467837Okay? But I never suggested anything that would make it more like LoL, like a surrender option. Not everyone who disagrees with you belongs to some other game.
>>540463324imo
Thoughts on McGinnis?I fucking hate her. She's not particularly strong, but she just sucks to play against. It completely devolves the lane phase into hide and farm creeps by the stairs
>>540468126inheritance tax is 4 to 16 percent in the US depending on state and relation
>>540468143You were thinking it, don't deny it. I read your mind.
>>540468158>mo and haze>not good????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>540468184I will deny it. This proves I don't play that game because they can't deny creeps in it I think
>>540468163Absolutely fucking broken as shit but doesn't get the required nerfs because her power spikes don't align with pro nigger meta
>>540468190Haze isn't killing you in lane unless you MAJORLY fuck up and almost literally every single character out trades her in short trades. literally all of them.Mo doesn't die but he isn't really a threat in lane, you can easily deny player scorns and force him to burn the CD on just minions and punish him for doing so because of how fat he is.
>>540468183>work>get taxed>die>get taxed againpatch this shit
>>540468163Speaking as a low mmr subhuman, whenever I see people d/c on the enemy team 80% of the time it's because the mcginnis rat has been shittalking its teammates while it continues to avoid every teamfight known to man and ratkind.
>>540468289What do you think we're summoning the Patron for?
>>540468289lol noob wait until you learn about labor-power and how much bosses steal from you
The Spirit Urn(vase) is waiting to be claimed.
>>540468625Wheres the gun urn? Or the green urn?
>>540468274Anon haze is literally one of the best laners in the game right now, in fact she's gonna get gutted because of it.What's your rank?
>>540468403>be business owner>purchase machine that produces bottlecaps>hire someone to push button that produces bottlecaps>they agreed to being paid 10 dollars an hour for pushing the bottlecap button>sell 20 dollars worth of bottlecaps an hour>now somehow stealing 10 dollars from the worker despite owning the machine and the worker agreeing to the wagei never got this part of commie though
>>540468714sorry gunSISSIES this is a SpiritMAN'S game
>>540468378To transform all niggers, spics, indians and mudslimes into whites.
>>540468726Phantom 3, she flat out isn't. she's too squishy and does not do enough burst damage to be anything other than a bad laner.
>>540468726>bwuhhh i stand out in the open and get shot in the head she's so oplol
>>540469078I don't think i've ever seen a character nuked from orbit so hard because of bad players in all of my years of gaming.Brig was broken but never got into the unplayable depths that is current Vyper. even fucking Ryze can still do shit in League.Vyper is just sad.
>>540468726Holy fuck you guys actually are this shitlow, jesus christ
is there a picture of boho's model?
>>540468938>>540469226>>540469332enjoy the nerfs lowbies
>>540469406this guy plays mo n krill or sevenit's the only way to explain thinking haze is a strong laner
So what exactly is the criteria for going super fast on the zipline without boosting? There's no way for me to figure it out
>>540469479killing the enemy base guardians
>>540469598And it's active all the time? It doesnt seem to be
>>540469663yes, if you kill the base guardians you get a speed boost on that lane's zipline permanently
>>540468012why do you think every build has the high velocity boolet
>>540469406>got baited yet again into thinking this general had serious discussion for once
>>540469702That's extremely value wtf
>>540469760I am 100% serious, you guys live in your phantom bubble and then act shocked when x or y hero gets gutted.
>>540468746The capitalist didn't design the machine, didn't assemble the machine, doesn't perform maintenance on the machine, and doesn't work at the powerplant that generates the electricity needed for the machine to operate. The capitalist simply put up the money, money that 99 times out of 100 he got from past worker exploitation.What if the designers, assemblers, maintainencemen, etc all had say over what was made and when? Then the captialist, who previously soaked up all this profit despite doing nothing, would be out of the picture.
>>540469849if you're losing to a haze in lane, your positioning is terrible or you can't aim well enough to actually trade with her properly
>>540469831Yeah if the enemy team is dumb enough to let you push for early base guardians it gives you a massive map control advantage, I'll even suicide for them if necessary it's so powerful.
>>540469849>>540469905nah haze is good in lane for sure, she has good range and then her daggers allow for free h melees unless your teammate parries for you
>>540469995the heavy melee is only free if your positioning is shit and your lane partner is literally asleep
say it with me, guys>I will NOT fall for the obvious "Haze is good in lane" bait.
Tank buster on spirit drifter y/n? It seems good to me but whnever i check damage re-caps it's always less than 2000. I think maybe some of the damage is being counted for rend and not tankbuster in the summary? Idk
>>540470060She is if you have Quake pro aim
>>540469852voluntary exchange isn't exploitation you dumb commie retard.
>>540470119aim doesnt matter when you stand somewhere she can't shoot you without literally being in your face
>>540470119you can literally be Jesus himself on Haze it would not matter because laning phase is all about short trades/burst. both of which haze is fucking horrible at.>>540470118if you build spirit rend/spirit items on Drifter you deserve a perma ban.
>>540459127They removed it because it was stupid. Soul confirmation in lane exists to balance out bad match-ups. Past that, it's nonsense. Farming is already boring enough, I know you like to joke about BROOLING but that is the meat of the fun. No one is posting highlights of them stealing soul orbs.
>>540470247Then she hard pushes the wave for free which is the most important thing in lane right now.
An entire fucking year and they still havent nerfed mcginnis or gaytalon
>>540470350there are places you can stand where you can shoot wave but an enemy hero cant shoot you, you seem to be lacking in 3d spacial reasoning
>>540470119True. Her headshots do a retarded amount of damage. Long Range helps this further.
>>540470417Gray Talon downplaying was at a sky high until a few weeks ago. The sheep that play this game were seriously convinced that a hero that bursts you for half your health in one shot at every single point in the game, from any range, is somehow bad.
grey talon needs a big feather headdress
>>540470140Voluntary? It's not like a worker is presented with the choice between working at a co-op that gives him the full value of his labor, versus a miserable waged position. Surely you know the reality of what job-hunting looks like, right?>Why not make your own business?Because as already mentioned the capitalist has deprived workers of the means to establish these businesses through wage labor. To say nothing about the fact capitalists work tirelessly to suppress workers rights, going so far as to invade countries that democratically choose communism.
>>540470417what's the problem with mcginnis doe
I hope gay talons grandkids suffered
>>540457625>>540460426God you people can just never fucking admit to being wrong.you know you're anonymous right? you have no honor to defend, you can just be fucking wrong and then make a different post 3 posts later and nobody will know you're the retard who was wrong.
>>540470825>It's not like a worker is presented with the choice between working at a co-opco-ops are legal. feels free to start one.>Why not make your own business?plenty of people do. go ahead.
>mfw someone misgenders Pocket and I need to pause the match to correct them
>>540470942>>540470140You're a retarded bootlicker
>>540470942That's the on-paper idea of free competition, but in reality one needs money to establish a business. Workers don't have that kind of money because their value was stolen by capitalists.
Can I make this bot walk side to side while I stay still?
>>540471390fug. I mean this bot.
>>540470825every problem is caused by jews, remove jews and it's fine.
does mystic reverb give you owl ult stacks ? it says kill within 3 seconds and you get a stack and reverb is 3 seconds after
>>540471519The briefest glance at history shows us that exploitive modes of production occurred in countries without Jews. Unless you sincerely believe every royal family throughout the long and bloody history of feudalism were secretly Jewish? lmao.
why is it always mina being a shitter? hard carried by their ult soloing shit?
>>540471326you and your entire ideology are failures.
Does vindicta's ult have no zoom levels anymore?
>>540471345>but in reality one needs money to establish a businessthat's what loans and accruing initial investment capital are for.>Workers don't have that kind of moneyactually they do. hence the millions of businesses created each year.> because their value was stolen value is determined by the price system. work has no inherent value beyond what people are willing to pay for it, nor can it be "stolen." put down reddit and robert reich youtube clips and pick up an economics book.
>>540416878doesn't matter, he's dogshit without 30k souls and no build can fix that
>your haze starts cursing in ruskie
>>540471992jews funded most royal families in Europe during feudalism through high-interest loans and other financial instruments that were virtually unknown to europeans at the time but with which jews had a long and storied history going back even to ancient times and the Roman Empire. the loans provided by local jewry forced royal families to fund interest payments through wars with other european powers and jews essentially profited off of noble/royal high-tax exploitation and wars because of this. they were a protected, specially privileged class that laid the groundwork in Europe for financial credit and the fractional reserve banking system - what you would call modern exploitative capitalism. actual "capitalism" is just human beings going about their lives and exchanging goods and services.either way, communism is not only economically incoherent (literally arithmetically false) and socially retarded but it's also an outdated ideology based on the perceived social circumstances of the late 1800's. today's western world doesn't work like communism believes it does or predicted it would, proving once again that the baseline theory of communism is false from the very outset.
>>540472458I don't care about going into the nitty-gritty of co-ops because I'm not some Richard Wolff style diehard worker co-op believer, but obviously finding investors is difficult with that sort of corporate model. And most people capable of making a business would rather work in their own interests and not make it a worker co-op (and with so much propaganda fed to us from birth, it's not hard to blame them for not wanting to even knowing what a co-op is). It's in their rational class interests to simply become petty-capitalists rather than trying to make a co-op. Sort of why the whole system is rotted and needs to be abolished.Never heard of Robert Reich. Says here he's worked for Bill Clinton and was a typical establishment liberal. That's pretty far off base, and explains a lot of your confusion about all of this. Liberalism and the American Democrat party are enemies of communism and working people. Anyway, workers do all the work yet capitalists get the lion's share for doing nothing. That's the gist.
can you please stop evacuating your bowels onto the thread i dont want to sift through your undergrad pseud pol-sci schlock i just wanna talk about deadlock
page 10, home
>item system is so fucking retarded you actual think Blizzard was right in suing Valve for stealing WC3 mechanicsWhy can't this faggot not a stats system so you know how much dmg you do? Every retarded onions streamer I watch just ints because he doesn't know how strong is hero is at any point of the game outside they have their "le build" running.
>>540473989>can't read
What's the plan?>>540474135>>540474135>>540474135>>540474135
>>540473020Man, I should've known the instant I type anything preposterous about Jews as a rhetorical someone would jump in with the most esoteric lineup of conspiracies that neatly blame all of human history on a desert tribe. Your banker fantasy fixates on Europe btw, ignores the rest of the world. Oh but now you'll just talk about Chinese Jews and Korean Jews and Japanese Jews. Don't bother. Let's just focus on the basic stuff:>actual "capitalism" is just human beings going about their lives and exchanging goods and services.That's way off. Capitalism is marked by production for profit, class ownership of the means of production, and employment of the dispossessed workers for wages.>rambling about how communism is outdatedIt's not possible to take anything left of your post seriously when you think capitalism is synonymous with trade.
