Raid Season Edition>News09/09/2025: Kaytoted BTFO'd by C&D, Ascension took over Epoch their player count keeps declining.30/08/2025 : Blizzard is taking legal action against Turtle. This doesn't stop the server, but it may impact some individuals working for Turtle under US jurisdiction ( https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.985127/gov.uscourts.cacd.985127.1.0.pdf )17/08/2025 : Turtle's new realm Ambershire is out along Epoch's Kezan, Gurubashi and Menethil!>Released Servers ranked by current global popularityTurtle WoW - https://turtle-wow.org (Vanilla+)Project Epoch - https://www.project-epoch.net/ (Vanilla+)Tauri - https://tauriwow.com (MoP, pre-patch and WoD areas in near future)Warmane - https://www.warmane.com/ (TBC, WOTLK, MoP)Ascension - https://ascension.gg/en (Classless, Reborn Classic+, Custom Classes/CoA, Epoch)Mistblade 3 (Sheilun) - https://stormforge.gg/en (MOP Progressive)Chromiecraft - https://www.chromiecraft.com/en/ (PVE, progressive)Netherwing - https://stormforge.gg/en (TBC Progressive)>GuildsTo join a guild, type /who g-"Guild Name" to see who's online, and whisper anyone for an invite once you're above level 5.<Evil> - Turtle WoW, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /wpsg/'s guild<Branded> - Turtle Wow, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /heals/'s guild (ERP) >>>/trash/heals<Full Moon Company> - Turtle WoW, Nordanaar realm, crossfaction<Totally Nice Dudes> - Bronzebeard+, Ascension, whisper Kott<gulag> - Tauri, Evermoon realm, Alliance>TurtleAll Turtle addons (copy & paste github links on the launcher) - https://turtle-wow.fandom.com/wiki/AddonsMisc - https://database.turtle-wow.org | https://talents.turtle-wow.org | https://twow.link/classchanges | https://turtle-timer.vercel.app>Mods, Tutorials and /wpsg/ Creationshttps://pastebin.com/4Awe3bxX>Previous Thread>>540530302
I uploaded the wrong OP image, my bad, here is the correct one
Congratulations to <Yseras Tears>, <The Betrayers>, <Rena Rama Raidolf>, <cool>, <Mage Trainer>, <Cytadela Cieni>, Flag, <who did it> and also <Evil> for defeating Ragnaros and clearing Molten Core!
>>540672269Evil didn't kill Ragnaros, but every geared 60s from Evil killed Ragnaros. (you) chose not to join and got sidelined, sad!
how different is turtle wow? i haven't played a private server since back back when cata was released. they were always huge fucking messes with taxi services and slop like that. is turtle wow actually "good"? how does it feel compared to real wow?
And what level can I whisper and who do I whisper in Branded?
>>540672030Remove <Evil> from op, it's a pug group.
>>540672858Its pretty fun theres a lot of good changesThe only unfun thing i have done on it is Black Morras
>>540673179lol its way better than its tbc version
>>540672858it's called turdle for a reason
>>540672858twow rapes wow, no two ways about it
>>540673341Damn the tbc version must be pretty bad then
>>540672858It's very polished. There's enough new content to make it feel fresh even if you've played niller a bunch. You'll just have to give it a shot and see if it's for you.
Where are your logs <Evil>? Here's mine from our sub-hour MC.
>>540673759>polishedcome on now, you can say they added a bunch of content. but you can't say "its all really good!"unless you meant to say: It's polished compared to 2010 private servers!
>>540673767dayum rogues kinda pump
>>540673925They are op since 1.18.
>>540673915lol shut up incel
twow hardcore is so fake because level 35s can do level 20 quests
>>540673915>t. epoch shill
>>540674319compared to what? Classic Boostcore? Epoch's Soul of Twink Gear?
>>540672598Where do I sign up to join that butt?
>>540674420saar, play on my epoch(tm) dungeon, it's hmmm a big mine, a very big mine saar
>>540673767>ret pally outdps'd by the disc priest healeri'd actually kill myself
>>540674878Surely they were afk jerking off or something
>>540673767really wish I went rogue, made a warrior and leveled all the way to 60 only to find out the class sucks balls in pvp.
Did blacksmith get fixed/balanced on turtle wow? Which profession should I go with as a warrior?
>>540673552its a fixed timed gauntlet so yeah
how much +healing do i need to start healing stuff at lvl 60? druid btw
I saw a rather evil druid in the wild....
>>540677185greens are sufficient
>>540676237they have belt buckles and a few crafts that are decent but its still shitfuck off i dont want any weaponsmith competition
>>540673767>retpfffff hahahahAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA
>>540676237no. it's still gated behind raid drops for it to be of any use. just a money pit to level
>Shaman fag steals my necklace>later he tells the tank to stop fucking around, skinning, taking ages to go to the next mob>he gets kicked>shaman was the leader before making tank leader, has guildies in group that say to invite back>tank says no>all just standing around>alt f4This nigger game blows
>>540679213yeah this is basically what there is to look forward too playing on turdle, glad i figured it out before level 50 and just quit
thinking about better times...
>>540678545>>540679180What about that 2 handed sword with the whole quest behind it?
>>540675536Warrior is fine in pvp, you just need some gear and a support (the latter is hard to find since everyone capable of support doesn't do so)
>>540679509what about it? just do some level 60 dungos or a raid instead of sinking hundreds of gold into a prof
How fucking long does it take for a non donator to send mail again after reaching in-game cap? fucking turtle shit its already been an hour. NO I AM NOT PAYING FOR YOUR яхтa SHENNA
>>540679213Glad that I never took the bait to play in that shitty server, holy shit.
>>540679583>you just need some gear and a support >Warrior is fine if you have at least 2 people to play 1 characterin my book that means it sucks balls.this is a bullshit take anyway, what exactly is so great about warriors with a healer that is better than any other class with a healer? their damage blows, can't touch priests at all. no cc except a 3min cd fear, and the burst is even shit since it takes an eternity to pool rage.They just suck.
>>540679701Which profession do I take for myself then? Everything is better than profession gear
>>540679883anything that makes you money and or engineering for a competitive edge
>>540679968Mining/Skinning it is then
>>540679850skill issue
>>540680064>no argumentlike I thought.
>>540680096>no argumenti know, you have a skill issue. hope that helps!
>>540680260You can't argue the point at all because I'm completely correct lmao. You just parrot the same bullshit line that people have been parroting since 2005 that "warriors are good with a pocket healer". Guess what, almost everything is good with a pocket healer. Requiring that you have a dedicated healing slave to play a class at any useful level means that class is shit. Unless you are completely stacked in bis gear, warrior damage is low, their rage generation is low, they are trivial to kite, they have no good cc, their survivability is shit, their cooldowns are so long its a joke and they aren't particularly useful anyway. Literally the only thing they provide is MS, but even that is way less valuable in a vanilla context without resilience or anything like it where everyone gets exploded in seconds by some shaman.Speaking of shamans, go ahead and tell me in what scenario a warrior+healer would be preferable to a shaman+healer.
>>540680551typing all that won't help with your skill issue
>>540680838Can't even argue with one of the points I made huh. lmaoWarrior is one of the only classes that has a hard counter too in priests.Warriors are easily bottom tier in vanilla pvp unless you are bis and stacked with consumes. Anything short of that and you are a free kill.
>>540680981just get better at the game?
classic pvp server?
>>540681649pvp is gay, play a different game
>>540681649Classic pvp is terrible though
>>540681872it really is. easily the worst pvp metagame of any wow era.
holy shit look at all this cope dragonslaying is fucking boring
>>540681649gurubashi project epoch ascension :^)
>>540682417right, wow is boring and gay, but if you want to pvp play not a 20 year old tab target mmo imo
>>540673767Rogues are going to get obliterated, devs already noticed.
>>540680551Warrior has always been the class that's perfect for sweats who play the game all day and have the time to invest into the class. All of those weaknesses you brought up are alleviated by having a support and putting points into Fury for Piercing Howl. No other class has that kind of spammable cc or gap closers like charge/intercept. The reason why Warriors are the strongest class with support is because they basically have infinite resources. A caster is eventually going to run out of steam and Rogues are too cooldown dependent. Stick a support or 2 on a Warrior and he just keeps on trucking.For the average player, Warriors are a pretty bad time I'll agree. They're better off playing something that isn't so reliant on others.
>pvp this pvp that? Just play fighting games???The era of WoW pvp is over, I experienced it, you guys didn't, time to move on
>>540682867ywnba gladiatoralso enjoyed vanilla and nost and classic and classic (with runes and shit whatever were calling the reboot of the reboot)just kinda wishing we had pvp
>>540682710>The reason why Warriors are the strongest class with support is because they basically have infinite resources. A caster is eventually going to run out of steam and Rogues are too cooldown dependent. Stick a support or 2 on a Warrior and he just keeps on trucking.this is insane, where are you having a single continuous pvp battle for 5 minutes? it sounds like you are making shit up that sounds good with no real experience.The only time this scenario is even remotely possible is in arenas, but even then it barely matters because you are ultimately dependent on your own healer's mana in that case.>points into Fury for Piercing Howl. No other class has that kind of spammable cc No other class has something like piercing howl? earthbind totem? imp blizzard? how about crippling poison which is flat out better than hamstring>or gap closers like charge/intercept. Yeah that might make sense if you don't consider that half the classes in the game don't even need a gap closer because they attack from range. The ability to intercept every 20-30 seconds doesn't miraculously make warriors into the best class ever.
>>540683197You sound like a homo
>>540683218fighting for a point cap in ab? fighting mid in wsg? there's lots of situations where you want to fight for longer than 20-30 secondstotems can be destroyed, blizzard is hardcasted and costs resources, crippling poison can just be dispelled. howl is phys and can be spammed with no cd for very cheap. hamstring is just another tool along with howlother classes need to be at range because when a warrior gets on them they dont have long to liveyou really are just dogshit at the game, it's all but confirmed from your retarded post
>>540683197pvp now will never be the same as pvp then, its gay let it go
>>540683197You're talking to a multi rank 1 hall of fame legendIf you want pvp, play fighting games, or else you just want to trash on gamer dads and unskilled unprepared players because you are afraid of equal footing
>>540683218>>540682710>Rogues are too cooldown dependent.also what cooldowns are we talking about here, because rogues have more regular dps than warriors do even in raids as can be seen in the meters anon posted earlier. If they are cooldown dependent then where does that leave warriors? ESPECIALLY in pvp where your rage generation is far lower since you don't have every buff in the game making your autoattacks hit harder.This whole notion of warriors being the god class comes entirely from the retarded overtuned performance in max gear/consumes, because that's the only thing anyone cares about. The fact that they are miserable in the 99% of gameplay where you don't have those things doesn't matter because all anyone remembers is getting steamrolled by a warrior in naxx gear.>fighting for a point cap in ab? fighting mid in wsg?>there's lots of situations where you want to fight for longer than 20-30 seconds20-30 seconds? You think other classes are completely spent after 20-30 seconds of fighting?And btw, fighting over points in AB or mid in WSG doesn't last anywhere near the lengths you are trying to portray here. Inevitably one side gets the upper hand and it turns into hunting down stragglers, at which point the supports/heals all drink if they aren't retards.>totems can be destroyed,And? if they get one tick off it's effectively the same as howl >blizzard is hardcasted and costs resources,who cares if it's hardcasted? and howl costs resources too, in fact the resource angle is more punishing for warriors because rage generation is so low that spending 10 a whack on spamming howl leaves you with no damage.> crippling poison can just be dispelled.ok? It's also applied passively and is a stronger slow. If it takes a dispeller more than 2 globals to dispel is objectively better than howl and also forced the dispeller to spend a global and mana on dispelling it only to be immediately passively reapplied.
>>540683931street fighter is kind of played out considering how akuma is >tekken no thanks>garou? uhh dead game>smash lol>anime fighters blazblue/dbz more like zzzzyeah im looking to gank thats fun>carebear serversnost had pvp what gives
>>540684104>street fighter is kind of played out considering how akuma isWhat the frick are you saying? Please stop talking about things you don't know
>>540683679>>540683956>other classes need to be at range because when a warrior gets on them they dont have long to liveExcept they do have time to live, they aren't in any particular danger at all because warrior damage is low anywhere outside of a raid. They are way, way more in danger if a shaman is anywhere on the horizon or if any decent rogue is nearby.What exactly do you think a warrior is going to do? you charge and get 15 rage, not even enough to MS. You have to hamstring/howl consuming rage, then wait around with your dick in your hand to get enough rage to use literally any attack which takes at least 3+ seconds. It's a joke, standing right next to a warrior that isn't some bis monster is barely more dangerous than standing anywhere in the open.
>>540684160low mr master here but uhh yeah im rightalso who the fuck enjoys fighting against jp?plus fighting games arent even as fun as wow pvp
>>540684461>low mr masterYou mean, like DSP?Don't talk to me
>>540684104its 2025, everyone playing wow knows how to play wowthe gank shit doesnt work anymore, people just dont play pvp servers
Someone send me 1 gold and boost me in stockade/sfk, I'm done asking
>>540685119Whisper Rackbride for a free run.
>>540673767this rogue dps is probably primarily caused by that talent they added that regens energy on poison hit. With the assassination talents and envenom the chance to apply poison is near 100%, meaning every hit you are restoring 2 energy. that combined with the buffed relentless strikes means that they made rogues' resource scale with gear just like warriors, haste=energy. who knows if they will scale as well as warriors do, I doubt it, but they made the problem worse instead of better. Instead of making warrior dps more consistent across the tiers they added in another resource scaling class that will smoke any class that doesn't have that benefit.
im a nost vet
>>540673767>>540686438damn I didn't even notice they buffed ruthlessness too, that combined with the buffed relentless strikes makes even more energy since combo points also = energy.ruthlessness and relentless strikes were already some of the most powerful talents for rogues and they buffed on top of that lmao.
>>540686438>>540686739good. rogues should mog every other melee dps because they dont have the luxury of being invited for their utility or swapping to a different role
Ambushing stinky gnolls
>>540686970I don't necessarily have a problem with rogues being the best, I just don't want to have a vanilla situation where a class obliterates everyone else on dps. if rogues/warriors were the best dps by a 3-5% margin that would be fine, but I seriously doubt that they have simmed out these talent trees and new mechanics based on what I'm seeing and the results in that meter.
My dad guild 10/12 MC, killed Ony, and 3 world bosses tonight in Silithus .Just didn’t have enough dousers. Here’s to next week.
>>540687220If 3-5% is the margin then all the other classes need their utility nerfed
Why is everyone running around on those shitty turtle mounts past level 40? Are people really that broke?
>>540672030Are there any RP servers on the 3.3.5 client?
>>540687741what would you prefer it to be? any more than that starts incentivizing class stacking which causes its own problems even for the warriors/rogues, as I'm sure anyone trying to get their hands on gear during classic knows. The utility thing is overplayed imo, it's not like you can infinitely stack "utility", once you have all paladin blessings how much more worth does another paladin have? obviously less, the same applies for any other utility, they don't inherently cause class stacking like raw performance does. There will always be room for those raw performers once those utility slots have been filled.
>>540687838Your choices of RP servers are Turtle Wow and Epsilon. That's it.
Do we consider MC an achievment now?If your guild didn't clear MC within 3 hours you should look for a new guild.
>>540687991Personally I would prefer if buffs and other similar things were just removed. It's only number inflation and they don't offer any real gameplay other than figuring out a raid comp, which only has to be done once and is copied by everyone else anyway. past that it's literally just busywork, reapplying buffs every 10 minutes. imo all "utility" spells should be short duration temporary things, like bloodlust. Remove flat paladin blessings but keep buffs like freedom and bop. Remove the passive totems or convert them into active temporary effects, like maybe maybe windfury totem last 20s with a cd. Ideally every class would have abilities in this vein and then all be roughly balanced in their base performance.
>>540687991when you start fucking with class balance because you're viewing the game through the lens of wowlogs parses, you end up with the shitshow you have in sod and to an extent turtle where the hybrids are absolute monsters in every other part of the game like pvp. you cant have classes like paladin which get so many get out of jail free tools doing dps within 3-5% of a mage, rogue or warriorpeople are going to class stack no matter what really. even in TBC which is considered balanced saw more hunters and locks throughout all tiers than other classes, and even warriors got more play the later into the expansion. obviously not to the extent of vanilla but it was in a good spot
>>540691502>hybrids are absolute monsters in every other part of the game like pvp. you cant have classes like paladin which get so many get out of jail free tools doing dps within 3-5% of a mage, rogue or warriorI think the solution they used for later expansions was the best way to deal with that, i.e. for non-hybrids have one pvp-centric spec that isn't viable as a raid dps but is great in pvp. arms warrior, sub rogue, frost mage etc.
>>540691705>have one pvp-centric spec that isn't viable as a raid dps but is great in pvp. arms warrior, sub rogue, frost mage etc.alternately just give some of the pvp utility in those specs to the class as a baseline. having MS as a base doesn't do anything for raid performance but does significantly affect pvp for example, give mages the ice shield, give rogues step. ultimately the issue with hybrid classes isn't necessarily that they are hybrid, it's that they have so many of their hybrid tools by default. with that in mind yet another alternative would be to remove those abilities from the baseline, make them unlocked by talent. The vanilla classes are so barebones though that I think giving utility to the classes that lack it is the better option.
