Calculating weapon damage Edition>Update 10.2 patch notes:https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/272-hotfix-10-2-patch-notes>September Community updatehttps://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/278-september-community-update>Year 2 Roadmap:https://i.imgur.com/61HZRF3.jpeg>Where to get the game:https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2>Lore Stuff:https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.>Datasheet showing hidden difficulty modifiers for each difficulty (for easier damage reference):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1kVvYgDBoAan98W3IjAM6ERdq-QfkCsaVvXKF5g_Q9sU/htmlview>Spreadsheet useful for damage calculation:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HzX5LzOD8NZyOTV-BUyL8kWoLEpt-skM/>Recommended prestige perks (WIP):https://i.imgur.com/oy6eQdx.jpeg>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes:https://dudewall.github.io/dude-wall/>/sm2g/ Phantom Links Chapter Lore:https://rentry.org/ChroniclesofPhantomLinksPreviously on the Battle-barge: >>540720757
Fashion tip if you hate forced leg decals.
Why heavy is so boring to play. Yeah, it deal crackton of damage but boring af.
>>540940579Don't know what to tell you. Heroic Heavy Plasma is pure dopamine to me>PEWPEWPEWPEW>AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE SAVE ME MAGNUS-SAMA
Reminder. If you want your whites to look more grungy and weathered, this is your boy.
a backpack color pattern that added a second color channel to just this part would be so fucking sickshame they'll never do itI want to put ushabti bone on it
whens maintenance?
>>540941626The devs need to do it inevitably, whether it's in this game or in SM3, because if we're even gonna get the Mortificators officially in some capacity for example, they require almost every single part of the armor to be segregated for color.Pic related>Can't separately color the feet>Can't separately color the elbows>Can't separately color the backpack vents
>>540940424anon please, i have work to do
>>540942063
Kicked out at the final stage of the mission. CUNTS.
>>540943343are you sure you didn't get disconnected? wasn't the maintenance supposed to start 5 mins ago? saber patched out kicking people before the end of mission in like, update 2 or 3.
>>540943343What mission?
>>540943559Yes, the maint kicked in and everyone got kicked, including me.>>540943568Fall of Atreus, as we were charging the last part.
>>540943681>Yes, the maint kicked in and everyone got kicked, including me.Can confirm, was doing the final islands section of obelisk, got booted out.
THE SERVERS ARE DOWNTHEY FINALLY PULLED THE PLUGSM2 IS DEAD FOREVER
>>540941626I do it on my blood raven minis just like in pic related. In sm2 I just color entire backpack like this. I think it fits nicely with their red helmets contrasting with such backpack
>>540943681>>540943806Yeah I was customizing my armour and a notification pop up said I could continue to play offline but none of my progress would be saved.
Just in time to get my dailies in
>>540944012NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
With regards to the discussion in previous thread. Some nice theory crafting there i.e. no class restrictions, but I fear this won't be the case (though I can't imagine Saber releasing Techmarine and expecting people to play pubs with restrictions on). The entire "changes to things they said they <would never do> etc." thing was all in the context of customization. Anything beyond that would be a cherry on top.I know I come across as a doomposter here, but I'm really far from it. It's just with Saber it's better to set your expectations low. And even then a Brother can be disappointed...
>>540950314The least I'm expecting is getting rid of the whole "class identity" thing regarding shit like the Iron Halo. Players aren't dumb, they know Bulwark can't actually use it.
>>540950387customizable capes on other classes would be real nice
>all the negativity last threadI see things haven't improved since the Exfiltration patch, not even with Siege mode.
>>540950760Weak sperm complain, strong sperm overcome
>>540950314I think the most likely would be:1)bulwark banners2)faces3)custom colorable capes for snipers
>Blood Angels champion is tactical>but they did a unique jump packThen...just make it AssaultWhat is their major malfunction here. Is it autism? Have to have the exact number of champion skins for each class?
>>540951095the real question is if this confirms the raven guard champion is assaultprobably true now
>>540951305Fucking sucks. I wanted it on Sniper since my Sniper's a RG.
>>540951095>What is their major malfunction here. Is it autism?worse. bureaucracy.
>>540952592>bureaucracyHow does that explain their strange autism against just having 3 Assaults?
>>540951305I fucking told you
>>540950760Siege is just a sweatfest with none of the feelings we thought it'd entail- defending a fortified position and finally feeling like a space marine.No, it's just "heres two terminus, 5 extremis and a few hundreds mixed mobs, have fun" in some arena.Stratagems are unironically way more entertaining.
>wondering why I got my shit kicked in by a tyranid warrior after just joining a mission>500 pingNice
>>540954236are you playing from ISS?
>>540954236>play pvp>unload an entire mag into an assault>does nothing>die>400 pinglol
>want to use combi-melta>scroll wheel double-scrolls
It's been a year and I still fucking detest how the server system works.
how do i play around gatling terminators do i just kite everything into cover until i'm prepared to deal with it
>>540957598You play Bulwark and laugh at them.
>>540955543i have the same issue with my mouse, just assign the scroll up key to your side mouse button or whatever feels comfortable
How do I play Bulwark block fist? Minoris swarm me and my parries don't kill them nor return armour and I can't regain CHP with its speed.
>>540951095Tactical has the most shared armor pieces, now that they have allowed you to use champion pieces in customization, this gives tactical champions the most value. You can easily use the tactical parts on assault weapons while having leg, backpack, and arm armor that most classes can use, unlike with an assault champion
>>540957598you can stagger them with grenades or plasma weapons, assault can jump in
>>540951095blood angel niggers cry more then iron hands fags.
>>540959404>>540959916But if they're going to put in the jet pack at that point it's just an Assault with extra steps.If it is true the skin is based off that new blood angels captain mini I guess it'll be worth it if they add that tabard/cape in the back
My most retarded death, is there any dumber way to die?
>its another spend more time customizing armour than doing ops because there's so many choices and try a bunch and then it looks too flashy and loud so I start over and make a marine but I can't make it lore accurate enough so I start over and AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM GOING INSANE SAVE ME GORRILAMAN
>>540961815Yeah, I usually like to keep it relatively simple too. Saber doesn't.I always wanted pauldrons that only changed the trims a little to be more decorative. Like Titus' or Chairon's left pauldrons.
>>540963114>I always wanted pauldrons that only changed the trims a little to be more decorative. Like Titus' or Chairon's left pauldrons.A lot of people want this. Saber keeps going fucking nuts with the options. Even the two new ones in the Heroic store are too extravagant for me.
axe doesnt feel powerful at all unlike chainsword. did they really just make this just a a toy for vanguard to use with grapple
is vanguard with the 2 healing perks worth it?
>>540967392the grapple execute is way too good
>>540967392>>540967449The healing might be worth it for chaos missions. Nids are pretty lithe when it comes to hitboxes, so you can thread the needle through some warriors to hit your intended target and get your execute chain going, but chaos is fuckawful for that and 90% of the time you'll just slam into one of the 20 chaos spawns rubbing their dicks on you and waste your cooldown.
rolling, hoping for Sniper as I should prestige him and level a bit more
>>540973075kek
>>540973075To the Anon that made this (or whoever is in the know) - what kind of font is that? I get it's some type of gothic one, but there are so many out there.
>>540967449BUT MY TEAMMATES TAKE ALL THE EXECUTIONS!!!!!11
>>540974009Inquisitor/Inquisitor bold fonts
Chaos spawn moveset is pure cancer and when I get 4 of them doing their retarded delayed hits it just makes me want to never do chaos missions ever again.
>>540974517the moveset and delay itself isnt that bad, the problem is they go against every majoris enemy type in the game and there's no parry prompt for moves that will either absolutely delete you or chain into more bullshit and the one prompt that he's charging you is just plain wrong meaning if you don't visually see him you will mistime it and get destroyedthe flying saucer chaosnigs suffer from the same thing, it's like whoever designed them must've been a completely different person or someone who wanted to took a shit on their whole game philosophy. and there's a guarantee that not a single dev plays the game on harder difficulties because there's no way the would've been satisfied with the outcome. I just don't get it
>>540974465Thanks!>>540974009Also, pretty nice base roll.
are those new chaos champion skins usable in operations or are they still locked to pvp>>540941562>costs real moneyis the pack it comes in worth it besides that colour, haven't actually dove into the list of items
balance? block? fencing? huh?I just pick whichever has the largest Damage stat
>>540977409so block
>unlock assault and tacs pvp skin>just to not use them because nobody plays pvpI hope they take something from this for the next game and leave out the pvp
>>540953472Imagine if Siege was about defending walls, gates and weapon emplacements (that you can control) against more and more numerous enemy waves. You lose if nids get into the central fortress command area. The longer you survive, the more rewards you get, so the mode would be virtually endless. Also, when playing solo or as a premade team, you would be able to pause your progress and come back to it later.
>>540961815>SAVE ME GORRILAMANIt's Rowboat Girlyman.
>>540967449Being able to execute extremis enemies, especially biovores at like 1/3hrd health remaining saves a lot of headaches.You even floor zoans
>>540973075Let’s see what I get.
Am i imagining things or is the melta of the combi melta the basic version, the white rarity one, common or whatever the name is.So basically i trade accuracy and actual headshot damage for the ability to stagger a few times?
>>540981404>IF TacA bit boring, but not awful.
>>540981503Yeah the combi meta is worse than all the relic bolt rifles Grenade launcher is much better.
I fucking hate chaos spawns. I don't even try to parry them anymore because they do some dark souls jewish trick every time to fuck parry window.
>hard strat>leave my teammates executes>keep in mind heavies ammo>look at hp of teammates, give them extremis executes>get ravenered´>they do fuck all, go into execution nearby instead of hitting it>at 1hp, 4 zoans focusing me, die>kill zoans>they steal all the executesthe whole execution system is AWFUL for a coop game
The game has been out for over a year and I still have to ping these motherfuckers to gather at the elevator and at the chapel in Vox Lib.Stop wasting time trying to wipe the entire area and get an extremis wave spawn and then another as soon as you finish with the first one.Please stop fighting in the gorge after the barrier is down, why the fuck are you fighting them and not getting on the elevator?
i dont think thunder hammer bulwark is very good, i had to take all the damage perks with it. not having power shield sucks, i barely scraped by on lethal
>>540983967its like playing assault. so yeah, its not that good.
>>540983967Storm Shield being able to block a majority of projectiles in the game paired with Armored Advance is way too fucking useful.Enraged Devourer shots from a mile away? BlockedVenom Cannon shots? BlockedZoanthrope balls? BlockedCarnifex spines? BlockedNeurothrope barrier waves? BlockedRubric Flamers? BlockedTerminator Soulreaper barrages? BlockedLesser Sorc aimed Doombolts? BlockedI've been told you can even block the uncharged Helbrute plasma cannon shots too.And this was even before we got the ability to shield charge
>>540983795It's even worse when it's prestige 4 people.
>>540979187>Imagine if Siege was about defending walls, gates and weapon emplacements (that you can control) against more and more numerous enemy waves.That is pretty much exactly how I hoped it would be, yes.
>>540951095I'd put more on it essentially boiling down to.>Oh, we want REDACTED to be cross promotion with Dawn of War 4. We'll give Sniper a Blood Raven champion skin based on Cyrus!>Hmm, then we need a class for Raven Guard now. I guess we'll give them assault Champ.>Which means Blood Angels needs to be tactical!
>>540983795>Please stop fighting in the gorge after the barrier is down, why the fuck are you fighting them and not getting on the elevator?Fun?
>>540984204the difference is assault has a jet pack
>>5409844024 stormbolters and 2 sets of terminator missiles can only get so fun, anon.
>>540984563I was mostly taking the piss anon. If it was absolute I'd tell you to get bent but with hard stratagems yeah I get it, one has to get serious and get it done since nobody's there to spend time but to get the currency
Never played beyond ruthless, how hard are Lethal and Absolute? Are they shitter filters?
>>540983679Stop doing that, randoms are worthless trash, take everything and leave them to their fate, they will be of no use.
>>540985446>how hardYes
>>540985446lethal is just ruthless with a little more damage, absolute will filter out a good chunk of idiots but the base mechanics of the game still apply, so if you are good at clicking heads and parrying you'll be fine, hard strats is were shitters get completely filtered out as the base mechanics of the game get raped and you can't handle shit with just basic parrying and dodging.
>>540985687i specifically played with people because i already tried 4 times to do it solo and i´m absolutely getting shafted by the massive extremis spawns. also sporemines seem to be bugged currently. i´m getting damaged by them during executes.
>20 waves of normal siege>7k xp>2 hours spentThat's the real curse sfflicting this mode. So much time invested for so little reward.Instead of stratgems, they could have sinply added some weekly modifiers to siege mode, given you one lump sum of the stratgem currency once per week, and then increasing amounts per sector, ie. 5 - 10 - 20 - 40, etc. A 20 run normal would then net you 75 total points and 20 hard waves could give you 130 or so.
>>540985446They test people's ability to handle mutliple extremis and a terminus at once.
>>540979187Sucks even harder when i remember that the campaign had at least two of these last stands against the nids
>>540986000Siege should give 0 xp, it's an endgame mode, not a leveling one.
>>540985446a lot of the game systems totally break down such as ammo counts and fighting for contested hp. you pretty much either have to roll around and avoid damager or good enemies as hard as you can to hide in execute animations.
>>540986970Agreed, but the alternative should be cosmetics. In droves. And I don't mean crummy (albeit welcome) weapon colors. But that's a whole different topic, because they'd really have to redo and overhaul the entire cosmetics system to allow for adding and modifying as many details as possible. I doubt they'd do something like pic related, which was suggested on their forums.
Meltas turned out to be incredibly helpful this weekly hard because of the sheer amounts of stagger power to stop extremis call ins and to stop terminators from firing their ranged weapons.
>>540987557that would be nice yes
>"For the Emperor!"Keep vox clear of chatter.
it's time to play, "What Bullshit Did I Just Finally Die To?" in sm2 pvp!>a guy perfectly peeking a corner so that his character model doesn't even show up, and somehow firing through the wall>assault using all three of his charges for just you>a sniper who waited until after your 2v1 to open on you with a cloaked headshot from behind, and will proceed to kill a second teammate because no one understands that bullets being fired behind you aren't always friendly>a tactical who is going to use his scan and both nades on just youI honestly don't know how the PvP for this dogshit is still alive.
>>540988876It's the only game mode where assault as the easiest time compared to others
>>540987712Meltas have always been a solid weapon, too bad they're never getting buffed because Saber thinks they're noob weapons.
>>540988876>Why do they do XBecause the alternative is losing
4IBW7Siege normalGoing for wave 25
>Chapter pack>Cosmetic pack>Champion packwhat's the difference?
>>540989079I generally don't want to see them in a tyranid operation at the chance that a triplet of Zoans spawn.
Is Vanguard Battleline or Close Support?
>>540989403Nevermind, I figured it out. He is a Reiver, Close Support.
>>540989201Champion pack gives you one armor set and a weapon skin, cosmetic pack gives you a bunch of unlockable cosmetics.Chapter pack gives you both and maybe even more.
>>540989201Champion pack = champion skinCosmetic pack = colour schemes, colour patterns, icons, a few general chapter armour piecesChapter pack = both of the above in one
>>540989185Expired.
>>540989650Anon you dont have to figure it out (heavy is not heavy support), just look at the colorscheme presets.
>>540989650Phobos armour is fucking gayThere's no point for Reivers in the Imperium as normal Spess Mehreens already induce fear towards their enemies with some not fearing Spess Mehreens at all Some Gen X boomer thought Cowadoody was cool and they should add skull mask Mehreens in 40k
>>540989201>Chapter packA combo of the other two (Ultramarines, Space Wolves, White Scars and Dark Angels so far had this)>Cosmetic packIncludes 4 armor pieces and several decals and colour patterns of various successor chapters (Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Blood Angels so far got this)>Champion packIncludes a single skin for a single class that up until this last month was locked. Also it seems weapon skins are associated with the champion pack as the solo champion packs that existed came with weapon skins.(Salamanders, Black Templars and Imperial Fists got this)Of note, weapons skins can vary in quantity. IF only got the plasma incinerator I think, but Dark Angels got the plasma pistol, ABR, and power sword and storm shield.Also Imperial Fists are both champion pack and a cosmetic pack because they did not release jointly but rather first came the champion, then the cosmetic.
>>540989650He's reiver, incursor, and infiltrator all in oneGrappling hook is reiverOmni-scrambler on the back is infiltrator, though there is a variant that takes the form of an incursor's multi-spectrum arrayHelmets available are for incursors and reivers, with infiltrator coming soonLoadouts are most comparable to incursors, since they get to bring pistol + knife + bolter, but is overall an unholy mix that incorporates all three, an eliminator's instigator, an eradicator's melta, and the neo-volkite, inferno pistol, chainsword, and power axe that I'm fairly certain could only possibly be taken with phobos armour if you do it on something like a lieutenant or captainSo no, he's not one specific role (just like heavy can change between fire support and battleline depending on weapon chosen. He's the entire phobos circus minus some bits reserved for sniper.Pic related is a fun game of guess the battlefield role. Some of these are questionable for sure.
>>540990940primaris shit is just disgusting to look at, the only remotely cool one is the sniper because it makes sense for it to be more lightly armored but then again scouts used to cover that role anyway.
>>540989348As long as the area has a roof, you just need to bumrush your way to the zoans.>it's inferno>zoans spawn as part of one of the waves in the final area, are about as far away as the background nid swarm and still fire on you
>>540990940>bike guy has a melee weapon in hand while the ranged weapons are on hardpoints facing the frontI just realized how stupid this is
>>540990079All of the presets are wrong, though.
>>540991354Anon you know they don't aggro you until you fire at them first, don't you. Just ignore them until they are over the platform.
>>540990940>no SM2 mission where Titus rides the ATV while Gadriel and Chairon ride bikes
>>540991515In terms of colors, they are, but battlerole decals are correct.
>>540991391You'd prefer to place a twin-linked chainsword on the front of his bike so that he can hold a bolter in hand?
>>5409909401. Tactical2. Tactical3. Scout4. Devastator5. Heresy6. Assault7. Assault8. Assault bike9. Devastator10. Scout who needs stop painting his helmet in non codex compliant ways.
>>540992334Heh
>>540991648The car looks straight out of a playmobil set.
>>540990269>Phobos armour is fucking gayFor real. If I wanted this basic bitch tacticool shit I'd play Halo.
>>540991808That is incorrect. Aside from Ultrasmurfs, there is only one preset per chapter, it's just applied to different armors. No matter if you pick Assault, Heavy or Sniper, your Mantis Warrior will have the close support marking, your Rift Stalker will be a battleline and your Carcharodon and Raven Guard will have their chapter symbol on both shoulderpads like complete retards.Only Ultramarines presets have correct battlerole decals, because they are the only chapter where you unlock all of those decals by unlocking their paint scheme.
>>540993761No, wait, that actually is correct for Carcharodons. The rest still stands.
>>540989403>>540989650Decimus is a mix of a Reiver, Incursor, and Infiltrator.
>>540993761I only ever looked at smurfs. If other chapters are fucked then im sorry, i stand corrected.
>>540990269We already have skull mask Marines. They’re called Chaplains. The Mortifactors like wearing skulls too.
>>540992001Even that would unironically make him a better combatant.
>siege mode sucked, flopped, nobody plays it>stratagems sucks, flopping, nobody likes them>"what if we put stratagems in siege mode!"
>>540990269Phobos armor is cool for when you've got robes or capesSniper/Eliminator looks cool. There's also a librarian in phobos armor mini that looks really nice.
Ran the daily hard vortex that had double ammo and our heavy also brought extra ammo, melta on vanguard finally useable with that much more extra ammo and still the chaos spawn spam made it get very close to zero anyway.
is bulwark perk for 30% damage reduction when hp is under 50% even noticeable on absolute?
>>540997892Yes
>>540997892if you combine it with a number of other damage reductions, including the one from power fist that applies when charging an attackbut people already forgot that meme build because now we have shield bash spam with the block axe
>>540997892Yes because it stacks with the damage reduction you get from having less health that all characters get which happens to be at baseline of 50% and below, which also is amplified by bulwark's natural class passive of having more health.
>4 zoans, a biovore, and a neurothrope all at once in the walkway right before the first chaos fightThis weekly is absurd
>>540998045>shield bash spam with the block axeThis is retarded, no mentally healthy person will use that.Also, nobody in public use block melee, at least nobody can get 2 charges. Haven't seen a single one pop for 2 weeks.
>>540998421I use it. It's very stupidly strong.Also if you're not seeing anyone use block successfully the common denominator is you. I see it in my games constantly because it's me doing it.
This is another l4d clone where I can't properly customize my game with those modifiers and it pisses me off so FUCKING MUCH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEJust like (functionally unplayable) Deeds in Vermintide 2 and those modifiers in Darktide which are tied there to events/auric/havocJust let me pick what I want for fucks sake. Maybe I just want Against the Grain with more Elites on Legend this time. Another time maybe I just want Skaven only and more swarms on Cata. Same here, maybe I want to play against Nidzilla on Ballistic Engine on Lethal right now, while another time face far more Gaunts while having double ammoBetter yet, let me adjust enemy HP, my HP, spawn rates etc. Fucking hell, I hate not having control over my gamePrestige grind here is fucking retarded too and combined with stratagems which are only on a far, far, FAR too easy difficulty or on a super hard autist one with nothing inbetween makes me miserable.
>>540997892Yea, but 2 other perks in tbst column are also really really good do it's a tough sell. However, if you are bad at block/parry then it's a good option
>>540998334The first objective for this week's hard strategem would be to fucking BOOK IT to the elevator and into the chapel.Otherwise you're just going to be swarmed by biovores and zoans and end up not having enough ammo and health to deal with the army of terminators.
>>540983795you understand if you have a call going out and extremis spawns active, they can fucking teleport up the elevator with you
>>540999179You can’t skip bosses, so if a neuro or carnifex spawns you are fucked
>>540999518Boss can only spawn in the sections after the firsf elevator
>>540999179A good squad can easily fight through most extremis spawns, which leaves you more prepared for any terminus enemies that might spawn.The exception is biovores. One is fine, but more than that and you'll have the next extremis spawn happen before you're done dealing with them. Biovores should be left behind if at all possible.
>>541000323Yes, see >>540998334The chapel is after the first elevator
>all this min-maxing to get their 200 points>just to buy a weapon they will be disappointed by
>>541000346>Good squad>Random shmucks>One of them is lvl 18 with 0 prestige>Another with useless team perk and god knows what in rest of perks
>>541000346Yea, but you should skip the fight if you can. If you are a few step.away from the elevator, don't go out and chase that biovore to the other side.
>>541001407>you should skip the fight>skip gameOr you can just alt-f4. I hate those marathon runners. When was the last time such ppl actually enjoyed the gameplay instead of doing a chore?
>Stratagems are actually good if you give your phone to Discord and use the official lfg channelsDo not fall for this psyop
>>541001671You can fight in the next area
>>541001954I will. And i will fight in current. I will fight in each. Game is literally about fighting.
>just random fucking die from absolutely nothing on hardWhat even is this difficulty.
>Blood Angels>tactical, not assault>Salamanders>sniper, not heavy>Ultramarines>heavy, not tactical
>>541003418>Blood Ravens>Chaplain, not Librarian>Iron Hands>Librarian, not Techmarine
Playing normal strategems is the most obnoxious shit, do these people play the game with the E button duct-taped down or some shit, they relentlessly try to get every execution for no reason.If i see someone fight a warrior i let him get the kill because maybe he has contested health, no - these retards hammer E like their life depends on it, i hope they get fucking run over.
>>541003687I always try to spam E at every turn
>host is a vanguard faggot at the fucking loadout>me and the other rando wait out the timer>deployment>host quits out and sends us back into the lobbyI swear some people.
>>540979187Now that i think about it it's really weird how siege mode has 0 of those "nids running at you and climbing the walls" segments that decapitation and inferno have, it's just "aaaand their over the wall go kill them"
>>541004176Anon, if anyone is not going into mission start for like 30 sec, just kick. You can kick host and transfer host to someone else in the room
>>541004176vanguardniggers are retarded 100% of the times
>melee champion vanguard asks me why i dont have heal banner
>>541004497Good. Less people wasting shit on literal fake enemies.
>>541004860why don't you?
>>541004860>gigashitter asks gigashitter why they both have wrong builds
>playing the the weekly hard strat>vanguard leaves>new player joins>is a vanguard>level 13 no unmatched zealim in hell...
>Tactical without Secure StockpileKick>Assault in Hard siege mode/Hard stratagemKick>Vanguard without Unmatched ZealKick>Bulwark without Advanced Conditioning and Invigorating IconKick>Sniper without Squad Renewal and Pattern of ExcellenceKick>Heavy with Bonds of BrotherhoodKick
>>541005440if there's already a vanguard with unmatched zeal, and you're playing a stratagem with a more extremis modifier, is there a world where u don't take invigorating icon just for more banner up time?
>>541005839No, just take invigorating icon if you can
>>541005839yes war banner build is superior. 24 seconds of 20% more damage for the whole team and you are practically invincible plus it pops all mines and minoris. if you are using heal banner as a crutch then you ought to just play lethal. also you could just deal more damage with the shield bash/pommel smash perks but thats a little bit more selfish
>>541005839no can do, they're not gonna be running any of that shit and no res banner either... and no they will not be carrying actually they're gonna be going down all the time
>>541005820>>Assault in Hard siege mode/Hard stratagemThere's nothing i love more then already having a bulwark on the team and some moron joins as assault, like oh yeah broski, we definitely need your epic jump abilities and near useless team synergy
>>541006176War banner suck on high difficulty, especially with random. Too many shit can push you out of your banner spot and damage is too high for you to just face tank even with banner. Rando will scatter everywhere in fight and don't get value out of banner. I rather take shield bash meme if I gonna go without heal banner
>>540998760>Just let me pick what I want for fucks sakeThey're adding that calm down schizo.
>that little fucking delay on the second swing the chaos spawn does in his combo attackWhat is this? Elden Ring?
>>541007285It's so stupid but I love just charging a block powerfist and fuck his supid face in when that happens. Feels great.
>>540988876>assault using all three of his charges for just youNo refunds, thinblood
>tfw gonna have to switch to holding sprint to sprint because of the way they bound the shield dash attackHaaa fuck me. My poor ring finger.
I really want to buy the space wolves champion because he looks way too cool
>>541005820the funny thing is he does this in minimal/average difficulties
why do these mouth breathers not realize that in the hard weekly stratagem you have to keep moving forward or you are going to get raped
>>541009330>why do the RETOOOORNERS in my weekly player retention scheme not understand how to win the hardest content the game has to offer
>tfw actually got kicked from eating too much shitIt's over. I'm actually washed.
bulwark players are going to kill themselves once they nerf intimidating presence
>>540995549It needs to give way more XP and be turned into a gear grind mode. And if theyre gonna ass Stratagems, I want blue shekels to go with it.
>teammate decides to 1v5 a terminator swarm instead of activating the last chaos altar
>>541009612You can't be kicked anymore if you're in the 2nd up until the final area.
>>541005820>>Bulwark without Advanced Conditioning and Invigorating IconBash bulwark is better, you shouldn't need him to carry you banner.>>Sniper without Squad Renewal and Pattern of ExcellenceSniper, period. Sniper doesn't belong in any team. He stopped being relevant ages ago.
>do the hard weekly>get to the room with the sorcerer>teammates keep dying because the game kept spawning gatling termies>finally kill them>4 more spawn immediately afterThey really dont playtest this shit
>>541009710Intimidating Aura? When did they say they were nerfing it?
>>541010010They don't and they're mad that they're forced to make it 'easier' because the entire community shat on them for not playtesting hard strats
>>541009710yeah just like bulwarks are going to kill themselves when they needed to nerf power fist like a year ago
>>541010010>game tell you a lot of extremists will spawn>a lot of extremists spawnedWoooooowwwww
>>540983530You have enough time to whiff 2 parries and then get a perfect dodge with how much time they spend dicking around
Fuck the Vortex Beast. Shitty fucking gimmick fight. Infinitely worse than the Hive Tyrant.
Tacticals who take the instagib final perk but then take the Plasma Incinerator or Pyreblaster are a new breed of low IQ
>>541010305The community should be embarrassed begging for the game to be made easier when plenty of people clear those hard stratagem everyday
>>541010478Retarded nigger faggot that isnt the point its that they throw in all these modifiers together and dont bother playing it so theyd see how retarded this shit is. Dealing with 4 fucking terminator spawns plus a sorcerer and dealing with them then having 4 more spawn immediately after is bad fucking design.
>>541010930saber designing class perks that only affect specific weapon types was the real low IQ decision
>>541010930That's what the Emperor made the pistol for.
>>541011083It's not like you have 2 other perk choices to pick from
>>541011081Okay? And plenty of people cleared it so it's nowhere near impossible? Just get good
>>541011325I already beat it faggot doesnt make it any less retarded
>>541010930Funnily enough the flamer can trigger the instakill headshot
>>541011617flamer even triggers the prestige headshot perk
>>541011179>put weapon loadout swappers in missions>don't let you swap class perks>there are class perks that are weapon specificno, saber is dumb, period
>marksman carbine on sniper>power sword on assault>knife on tactical>marksman carbine and regular carbine on vanguardwhat the actual fuck, the extremely high level PvP rewards are insane
>tfw gotten to the Vortex Beast 3 times and diedI fucking hate this worthless fucking boss.
>>541013380I'm surprised no one has hosted constant PvP private rooms so every Anon can level up to 40.The only dead hours are Asian/Aussie hours but neither don't play SM2.Don't even need to try hard, just kill trade long enough to unlock cosmetics and reach level 40+.
>it's a "your team doesn't know how to win a 1v1 against a heavy bolter heavy so he's just going to go around reaping all of them one by one unless you take care of him literally every time he spawns" episode
>queue up for hard weekly>prestige 1 vanguard with melee champion>lvl 4 tac Why are the people that play this game so retarded?
is there any point to charging the plasma pistol in PvP? what even is the use case for it
>L4D2 Specials>Die in a few hits>Vermintide Specials>Die in a few hits>Darktide Specials>Die in a few hits>Helldivers 2 Specials>Die in a few hits >Space Marine 2Every single problem with SM2 can be traced back to the ultimate sin in any game: spongy enemies. Spongy enemy should be a niche (fleshmobs in HD2, tanks in L4D2) not the baseline on all enemies.
what are the must-have prestige perks for each class? suppose you must pick at least one
>>541015636>Tact: Stacking headshot damage>Assault: Invuln on Jump pack takeoff + Gunstrike immunity>Vanguard: Damage boost within range + gunstrike immunity>Bulwark: Overcharge + ability regain per blocked projectile>Sniper: Gunstrike immunity, ammo on secondary kill, bonus damage after gunstrike, invuln on cloak>Heavy: Gunstrike immunity
>>541015636Sniper: versatile precisionHeavy: ConvictionBulwark: overchargeTact: FortitudeAssault: unyielding oathVanguard: launch restoration or restoration
>>541015636>tacticalthey're all dogshit and pointless because they were afraid of buffing him in any meaningful way, resilience is okay>assaultunyielding oath, he is basically unplayable without it unless you opt for the jet dodge build, which saber intentionally never buffed (every other perk with a damage component had it made to scale with difficulty except wings of flame) because they knew everyone would use it instead>vanguardnothing special here, there are two ways to get armor back and you should take both>bulwarkmasterful defense if you're a healing banner sissy is pretty fucking silly, overcharge otherwise>sniperVersatile Precision is pretty much the only way you're ever bringing enough ammo to feed the las fusil, but it doesn't matter because the las fusil sucks compared to the bolter carbine, in which case Emperor's Grace is actually the best but it's still nice to get more carbine rounds for nothingif only the marskman carbine variants weren't clogging up the weapon category so he could get a damage carbine>heavyAuxiliary Reload. It's gets you more heavy plas shots. Having more heavy plas shots let you instagib more extremis. Profit.
>>541015636The must have perk is almost always in the second lot of perks.
>left alone with 3 termies and 5 spawns>absoluteBut hey, gotta go fast amirite. Fucking idiots that play this game.
>>541017591>Didn't just head for the exit Retard
I hate console niggers
>mission: termination>space marines in hermetically sealed power armor: "going into the sewers? YUCK! gross! haha! poopy is yucky! what a bad smell!"
>>541017946>he wants shit covering his chapter colours
>>541017946Bro, your marines have their helmets on? That's not very heccin merchandisable of you
>>541017946they are also get blinded by some sand and run slower than an amateur human sprinterlot of stuff has been toned down
PATHETIC WASTE OF A DREADNOUGHT
>>541017946>Space Marines talking at allGWS comic space marines are stupid as fuck
Having to load to the ship was a mistake in operations/pve modes
>disk tzans dodging around with their wonky hitboxes>chaos spawns with their rollslop delay attack faggotry>teleporting rubricsHow is it chaos is just utter fucking CANCER to fight. It doesn't matter what they do, it's just cancer after cancer after cancer.
>>541020918Because you're continuously attacked in melee and ranged in a game with spongy enemies. None of it makes any sense.
>join single Bulwark in Decapitation>he loses 90% of his health from the first majoris>dies inside the cathedral>quitsThe people who play this game are fascinating
>Hard Strat >This spawns>Run past it >Get to lift and interact>Game crashes Gotta question why I even bother with this weeks given none of the heroics are worth it
>>541021995you deserve it for playing with teammates that get infinite ammo, free heals, and inhuman parry timings
>>541022218Game isn't made for coop, why bother playing with randoms?
>>541020918>It doesn't matter what they do, it's just cancer after cancer after cancer.>Dmitriy Grigorenko - Game DirectorBecause this guy is a retard and thinks he understands game design when in reality he got carried by his art team.
>>541020318>things that should be menus being "player hubs" that require you to load in an area and WALK to something you would otherwise click on is a mistake in modern gamingwoah, controversial new opinion coming in
Should I buy the funny green blade, or the funny rusty plas?Mind you, I already very much like charge plas and don't see anything wrong with it in its current state.
>>541022817Well the plas deals less damage than the charged version so you're going to hate it. The only "good" heroic is the chainsword.
>have this on heavy>perform a gun strike>get hit by an orange>get knocked backwhy is it lying>>541022861>The only "good" heroic is the chainsword.Fairly certain this still isn't true. The double stomp with it is still bugged, and the punch -> shoulder bash combo actually does less damage than the rev -> shoulder bash skip because of some idiotic damage falloff on the shoulder bash that the punch interferes with by sending the target backwards
>>541023094It is true. Its faster and more damage going for the stomp than the normal chainsword damage profile.
>>541023308There's also the fact that it's not a block weapon...
>>541023474>BlockOh sorry I thought we were talking about people who played above trivial and wanted to actually finish it instead of getting carried.
>>541023740the fact that you think block weapons are hard to use is still very funny to me
>>541023812Post your solo hard stratagem with a block weapon
>>541023812>hard to use Block isn't hard to use, its simply bad. Its a contrarian pick.
>be Blocknigger>die in the first area of Vox Liberatis>meanwhile Fencingigachads are on the last level parrying multiple Terminators
>>541023094there are two types of hits, heavy hits and really heavy hits. a heavy hit is any majoris+ regular attacks while heavy attacks are usually leaps or charge attacks. without stagger immunity like that perk, a heavy hit will stagger you and knock you a bit, and a really heavy attack will make you fall over and you have to watch a get up animation. with stagger immunity, heavy attacks do not affect you and really heavy attacks only stagger you without knocking you down. there are no hard rules about blue vs orange attacks, that only refers to what you can parry and what cant be parried. for example the bone sword warrior's leap attack is a blue but its a really heavy attack that knocks you down. a couple of the hive tyrant's red attacks dont knock you down.
>block weapons...le bad!/vg/ being the bastion of shitters, it never changes
>>541023094Blue and orange attacks arent covered by that perk
>>541024162>Block is good!>No one ever posts evidence of this>The entire game is clearly designed for parry > gunstrike gameplay, with the majority of passives benefiting from it the most >The alleged damage increase is only viable IF you can secure 2 blocks in a row which is a feat in itself on harder difficulties (not a boast worthy achievement, it means you're siting around fishing instead of playing aggressively) >Every single game everyone is using fencing>The people who do use block and you see in-game, eat shit and die continuously The only people who post "block is good" are either trolling or contrarians. There is absolutely no evidence that Block is good, and cutting it from the game wouldn't even change anything, because "block players" don't even exist. Everyone switches to fencing because fencing fucking works.
>>541024801>>Every single game everyone is using fencingI use balanced, fencing is a crutch or a specific tool for this kind of strat where parrying in general is a risk and a half
>>541024801I used Balanced though, there is no point to using Fencing and Block is too slow.
>>541024914>>541024956>I use fencing adjacentNo one gives a shit nothing you said is relevant
>>541024985>fencing adjacentkek 7/10 made me respond
>>541025038You're stupid but at least you know it
>>541024801block lets you farm armor off majoris and also cut through blobs of majoris even if they are enraged. you can sprint attack into melee extremis that are doing their red attacks. the only problem with block is you have to autistically memorize every attack in the game, but once you do, the effect is way more powerful than fencing or balanced. players usually graduate to block once they have enough hours. i hate rollslopping though, i just like to stand and fight which is probably why i always used block even when i wasnt as good with it
>>541025472No.
>>541024801>The alleged damage increase is only viable IF you can secure 2 blocks in a row which is a feat in itself on harder difficulties (not a boast worthy achievement, it means you're siting around fishing instead of playing aggressively)l o l
blocknignogs think balanced users parry like they do with fencing instead of just attacking relentlessly until the target diestruly a low iq class of contrarian subhumans
>>541025813>>541025472Post your solo block hard strata finish
block > parry > balance. Balance is shit and should be removed from the game it doesn't need to exist when they've already stated they're only making two kinds of relics for each weapon
>>541026203Notice how no one has to ever post balance/fencing solo finishes because they're everywhere. But block fags cant even produce ONE example of block finishing hard strata?
>>541020918Everything about Chaos is unfun. 0 armor regen on cultists + sniper las stuns. Near undodgeable Chaos spawn pull, enraged scream attack or random smoke screens so you can't see what the other 5 CSs are doing.
>>541026679You forgot the best one anon>Get within 1cm of gatling terminator>Continues to shoot instead of switching to melee
>>541024801>>No one ever posts evidence of this>it's just the only weapon type you ever see good players using, including all those "true solo" autists, no reason obviously>>The entire game is clearly designed for parry > gunstrike gameplay, with the majority of passives benefiting from it the most>except for where they fixed that literally everywhere except for power axe, which ironically mixes up the parry -> gunstrike formula even with its parry variants>>The alleged damage increase is only viable IF you can secure 2 blocks in a row which is a feat in itself on harder difficulties>[skill issue]>>Every single game everyone is using fencing>except for the people doing siege wave 40, something you will never see>>The people who do use block and you see in-game, eat shit and die continuously>claims to see no one using block, yet somehow always sees block users dyinglol
>>541027223>newfag can't even greentextStay on shittid
>>541027427>says newfag>doesn't know the meaning double quotelol
>>541026436guardsmen always does, you can look at his channel
>Ousting yourself that hard Blockfags really are from reddit lmao
>>541027550Post his solo block hard strata clear
>>541027585you lose, sissy
>>541027502>Instantly stops using """double quote""" when he gets called out on it
i played with a heavy in absolute that was literally just afk m1 his flame thrower with his shield on sometimes. he did fine too, he mostly killed the neurothropes by himself by left clicking them. i tried to help him but im not sure if he needed it
>>541027642post a balance/fencing hard strat clear>inb4 bulwark
>>541027798You're making the claim. Post the hard solo strata block clear.
>>541027743>doubling down because he really just doesn't know
>>541027968Nta I just think you're a fag shitposting which is clear by the fact you haven't even posted any gameplay of you using block
>unwashed /a/tardOf course the shitposting is from a pedo
>>541027887You're serious? You've got nothing? You wanted to set the bar there and you didn't even have a gotcha youtube link ready?>>541028059>you need to make a webm of yourself successfully using a weapon type countless other people are using without issue, or I just won't believe youokay, stay bad
>two llms shitpostingso if block is bad does that mean i am incredibly skilled for clearing and carrying absolute and hard stratagems with block?
>>541028153
>>541028321there is no proof of this, and erm, scientifically, you're incorrect about your claim
I think my Battle Worn Pauldron is bugged. It's been on 2 more operations for like 10 operations now
The heroic power sword is sooooo bad holy moly.
>>541028187>Makes claim >Can't post ONE evidence of block solo strata clearLOL
>>541028321You got carried
>>5410283744chan hasn't been an anime website since 2007 you pedo newfag
>block weapons are bad...because they just are, okay?>the anime website isn't an anime website...because it just isn't, okay?
>>541028187Are you actually attempting to claim no one can clear stratagem mode solo? What an odd take here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzqNlFtAVhY
>>541029160uhhh buddy your flag is on cooldown and you have a dude at 1 hp on your team and you're surrounded by executions and you're just taking them off the table?
>>541031325>White Scars helmet>Black Templars backpack>Ultramarines colors and kneeThe man's a retard, what did you expect?
>>541030576no one said that>the proof that fencing is the high skill choice>a dude who can't even get a parry off to save his life and gets absolutely fucking plastered for 20 solid minutes, crutching his way the whole way throughthe only thing I'm seeing here is that assault's ability to get back contested health and armor while being immune while airborne has turned him into a megashitter crutch
>>541030576Nobody clicks your AI thumbnails, jeet.
>assault joins great responsibility lobby
>walk to a ledge to kill a warrior>10 more warriors a lictor and a ravener spawn right on top of itI think the game does this on purpose
>get the hellbrute at the start of the match>gg, my team wins
>>541032362>>541032496>Gets BTFO>Gets mad Ok
>>541033747Ledge is a common spawn point in the game.
I genuinely don't understand how people are so bad with assault. I don't even use the invuln while airborne perk (because it's retarded and useless) and the only times I die are when I get surprise raped by thropes and biovores.
>>540990940The only way to make desolations squads not look retarded is to mount the frag and krak launchers literally any other way then how GW did it. Those things look like they belong in the hands of a flashgit, not a marine.
>final section of Hard strategem after a grueling, long run>Disconnected>Not even a lag spike>Not kicked to lobby >Straight up disconnected from servers for no good reason>Sent back to main menui remember why i stopped playing this game
>man, I hate bulwark in PvP>someone does the charged shield bash move in front of me in PvP>I did not realize they had done this>start doing it myself>bulwark is godlikeoh
Vortex is so dogshit>Chaos>Randomly hit hiding behind cover during the alter>Infinite objectives>Elden ring boss with 20 phases>Bugs where you can't escape from the shadow realm
>>541039757>vortex boss doesn't get hit stunned by literally anything you do to it>makes melee totally irrelevant by constantly surrounding itself with a field of death or just attacking one person so often they can never swing backwhat the actual fuck were they thinking
>>541040253Every end mission boss get shit on and become complete push over once players learn the fight so they pushed vortex beast a bit over the edge
>Set up as the intended experienceSo we're supposed to start the game on veteran?Just downloaded the game
>>541040760It's not difficult but because you aren't aware of the game mechanics yet it can punish you for not being used to them. Titus' ability is a self heal and there are tons of medicae kits scattered about, so unless you fail every parry and dodge you will be fine. AOD is a complete cakewalk once you are used to Operations on Substantial and higher.
>>541040760Don't. Singleplayer isn't designed to be fun above t2 when you're alone
>PvP>assault with chainsword/powersword ground pounds you>follows up with a light attack>he has killed countless shitters with this maneuver>he genuinely believes every ground pound to be a guaranteed kill>he thinks he is a godlike player>block the light and begin shooting him>he walks away from you, confused, stopping to turn back as the bullets keep hitting him>he cannot conceive of why you are still alive>he diesit is funny literally every time
>>541044347I used to do the same thing to slavniggers in sm1 pvpthey ran air cooled thrusters and death from above to perform the exact same play, ground pound and swing once and baildive out of the way to escape the ground pound and retaliate with a melta shot followed by an immediate switch to the bolt pistol to mag dumpif they had impenetrable instead of thrusters you'd have to shoot them more but if you were good a headshot with the bolt pistol would kill them outright since it did 100 health damage to an armor stripped opponent, which the melta almost always did unless they dashed away after the landing but then you're still shooting while they're trying to bail or close the distance again I used to take the stalker to hunt assaults in pvp since it didnt give away your location like the lascannon and you could headshot them at the peak of the jump while they looked for targets or a landing spot, and two headshots was enough to kill everything but a dev/havoc with iron halo/chaos icon (who needed 3)
>>541037749I genuinely uninstalled today because of that mission. I just don't have desire to play Chaos missions and the new content forces you to. Would rather play any other coop game that doesn't force dogshit unbalanced messes down your throat.
>>541040760the intended experience if you have coop buddies who can actually deal damage to the terminator spawnsEven cruising through absolute shit is annoying with the level design. Its impossible to fail with the battle cry heal and the sheer amount of medkits but still, having white weapons is obnoxious when alone.
>Something we said we are never going to doeveryone knows this is chaos parts in PvE missions>Something we said we are going to do, but nobody noticedjust remembered, this is face customization, they said that ages ago and never deliveredimagine if they provide an option to make decimus white, lmao>Something we should have done long time agoColorable sniper capes? Custom chapter icons? Normal parts for phobos marines? No one seems to know what this is.
>>541049957But they're not white weapons in relation to the enemies. It's about equivalent to doing average with white equips.
>>541050496Nobody will make Decimus white because its impossible. There is a good argument for converting Quartus from a mystery mulatto however.
>>541050496>>Something we should have done long time ago>No one seems to know what this is.Because there is so many things they should have done a long time ago that it narrows things down not at all.
>>540994947Nah, bolters on bike is the better option for a cavalry charge. You will clear out a route for yourself even before hitting enemy lines, so then you can just swing your sword as you pass those who avoided the fire.In the other case, you'd be just plinking at random dudes and then get bogged down in bodies as your bike hits the enemy lines. The charge would lose momentum.
What's the over-under of Saber letting us pilot one of these in a future operation? We can play as a Helbrute now, they probably can implement a similar feature for warsuits.
when are they gonna add a psykhanium man
>>54102856710 operations means 10 DIFFERENT ops, Saber is retarded
It's finally over. What's the cap for the accolades currency?
>>541040760I completed single player on veteran right after completing SM1 campaign on normal and it felt just right.
>>541051719Never want to see that retarded thing in this game, the less offensive primaris shit is bad enough.
>brooo the funny green sword is so good man, it finally makes me want to use power sword man, genuinely a straight upgrade wtf so good
>>541052901As far as power sword go, it is as good as it get.
>>541051719>>541052803I hate this because it defeats the purpose of Dreadnaughts. Like they're meant to be so costly to field and maintain that they're used sparingly as combat wheelchairs for respected Astartes who can't fight under their own power anymore. They're meant to be simulacrums for the body they've lost, hence why they're even humanoid to begin with. So why the shit are they being fielded like tanks?
>>5410523951000>playing all the missions instead of just using Cheat Engine(lol
>>541053051it, at best, turns the power sword into a nerfed power fist
>>541054234That is stronger than standard power sword then
>>541054220>CE>EACI'm not going to the trouble of doing a custom install just for that.
>>541051719what the reason for the cockpit to be open? can't they slap some pieces of armor in front?
I don't feel at all confident in 1v1ing a helbrute (a carnifex to a lesser extent) but I also don't feel like going into campaign to find a scripted one and learning the moveset
>>541050496Fixing their customization system to not have all cosmetics loaded onto models at once and then hidden? Pretty obvious "should have done a long time ago" option to me.
>>541040760it won't be too bad at all if you learn the game quick but it will be rough if it takes you awhile
>>541054632it's about profile recognition. armor in the front => zoomnought. no armor => baby walker. if they were more similar people would need to lean over the table to tell them apart, and for 40k players that means increased risk of back pain and heart attacks.
>>541054170Because they aren't being fielded like tanks. Invictors have stealth capabilities to make them better flankers. They are the Primaris version of Sentinels.
>>541054824once you can tell the differnce between the windups for parryable vs dodge its pretty easy, it does not have a deep movepool.
>>541054824Carnifexes are more spastic than brutes. Their unparriable swings happen when they hold their hammer vertically up in the air, that's it. All other swings are parriable. Rest are ranged attacks which you rollslop to.
>>541051614>swing chainsword at enemy while driving by on bike>it hooks in as a chainsaw doesOH N-
>>541054824they've got a mod to spawn and fight enemies in your own arena, but I can't be fucking bothered
>>541054976Tank formations do that too.
>>541054170I don't think it defeats the purpose of the dreadnoughts because it's only imitating their combat functions. Dreadnoughts' true value is the ancient space marine inside. The warsuit afaik is a replaceable machine used as fire support for primaris.
>>541015250>L4D2 Specials dying in a few hitsWHATARE YOU DOONIN MYYYYYYSWAMP
>>541015250hating spongy enemies is the ultimate casual filter desu
>>541055318No they don't.
>>541055476>Tank formations don't flankThis is some of the most basic shit in armored combat imaginable, hell not even armored combat, just warfare in general.
>>541054220Lmfao imagine playing the game, couldn't be me anon of course, couldn't be me
>>541054824do not go into campaign, the only hellbrute fight is the one inside the necron tomb before the obelisk shit happens but the only chapter selection point is the goddamned orbital drop in. You have no ability to even jump into the second half of demerium shit IIRC. You would be spending, like, half an hour each time just to run to that fight for it to die instantly because its not scaled right and just melts. You either gotta download the mod that lets you arena fight or just nut up and face it because its honestly pretty easy in melee. It's only moves are charge swing (which sometimes can be a delayed double that you can't interrupt with a gunstrike), one parryable swing, 2 parryable swings, big charged slam AoE, or really big charged slam AoE that he keeps slamming so you just keep rolling out. And all of his melees, besides the delayed hit, are extremely telegraphed. He's only a problem when he randomly switches aggro but doesn't teleport on you so he starts spamming plasma shots that fucking 3 or 4 shot you and stagger.
>>541055535You drive out in the open, which is the only place you can drive, and you die in minefields and drone swarms. No you don't, not anymore.
>>541055476Tanks flank plenty. Unless you're talking about the divide between cruiser tank and infantry tank type shit which was rightfully dropped forever because its stupid. It's something the guard might do but marines shouldn't bother with.
>3 months until tech marine, maybebut I want him now...
>>541056387Just sleep until he releases.
>hard weekly>3 sorc into millions of gun termies>another 3 sorc spawn>another 3 sorc spawn>hulbrute and 3 sorc spawns>entire fight are just gun termies turretingwhoever made this weekly should be dragged out of their homes
how do terminator rockets work? are they consistently dodgeable or is it kinda like "lol cope and seethe that one tagged you"
>having fun RPing as an UM bladeguard veteran sergeant, have all the paints and patterns to be lore accurate, also the deathwatch pauldron + silver arm to signify having served in the deathwatch>working on unlocking consumables to RP a company champion and eventually full deathwatch member at prestige 4 after unlocking the DW shield>really enjoy bulwark gameplay, practiced alot and feel competent using combos (power whirls / power rakes / parries)>usually have highest melee damage or kill count, with a respectable ranged damage from plasma pistol>constantly see people saying power fist is just better in every wayThey aren't called fistguard veterans :(
>>541056564it works on saber logic>player dodges and parries are rigid, structured things that need to directly interact with incoming attacks in a specific way to prompt damage nullification>enemy attacks are lmao who cares, giant green laser beam through walls goes wooooooooooosh haha fuck you fuck you fuck you
>>541056564You have to dodge right as they're about to hit you. The only way out is the i-frames. They'll just readjust the tracking if you dodge too early.
>>541056564You have to dodge in the opposite direction the salvo is hitting the ground inNo it's not very consistent
>>541056564You can consistently dodge most of it, maybe even all of it at an extremely long range, but if you're close you're pretty much guaranteed to get tagged by a couple at the end even if you're perfectly timing it. The burst simply lasts longer than your roll animation does and the period of tracking is weird.
>>541056674anyone advocating the pfist shouldnt be listened to
>>541056564They track better at long range than up closeHonestly eating 1-2 is not the end of the world, just shoot back a bit to gain contested health back if you lose any. It's easier to close.the gap when they chuck rocket than when they are firing their chain gun. However, you can stagger them, for example with a frag, when they shooting the chain gun but the frag won't stagger during rocket firing stance.
>>541056387wrong. you want him after he's rebalanced and the matchmaking is fixed, two releases after he's introduced. you want him in 8 months minimum.
>>541056387>Raven Guard champion>Carcharodons cosmetics>Battle barge expansionHell yea, I WILL goon when that update comes out. I'm assuming this expansion is training area for operations mode.
>>541056945Carcharodon helmet is probably going to be some sort of Primaris equivalent of this with a head fin, probably also have bonding studs because space sharks love that shit.
>>541057954The idea of primaris space sharks never sat well with me. I like them being a raggedy chapter lurking in deep space, loyal but isolated from the imperium. But we'll see what saber thinks up.
>>541057954>>541058961They are a chapter of old gear units that talk to no one and yet we still push primaris on them.My eyes roll at the new lore sometimes.
>>541059059remember when men were men and drew the women they masturbated to
>>541059130The internet has fallen...
Brother Wall Anon!I wish to update my Steel Confessor on the Dude Wall.Brother-Sergeant Teras.As the only official heraldry for them exists is the basic color scheme, I am using a green stripe on the helm to signify sergeant status.Earned his promotion after carrying randos in this weeks hard strat.
>>540985446I played above substantial for the first time during the first week of the mutators. It was pretty fun. Now I do them weekly and clear them in under 5 attempts. Just learn from it and expect to modify your build.
this week's hard modifiers feel pretty "fair" but it's still a kick in the dick
>>541060301It very much feels like a "you take Heavy+Vanguard+Bulwark or eat shit" challenge. You need every smidge of HP regen and damage reduction available to you.
>>541060973I did it with tac, vanguard, assault. It was painful but we made it
>>541061230came within a hair and died on the last fucking totem
>>541060301Vox Liberatis is the hardest operation in the game.
>>541061465Vortex or Reliquary imo.
>>541061465Vortex > Reliquary > Obelisk = Vox Liberatis > Fall of Atreus
>>541061681>>541061784>VortexOnly the boss is hardThe mission is simply equally as long as Fall of Atreus because the slavoid devs despise Inferno and Decapitation
>>541061465Vox Liberatis is the funniest operation in the game. I wonder if with the fucked up unit composition code we could end up with a carnifex or thrope glitching in as a chaos boss.
>>541061465Nah, Obelisk effectively forces you to fight with two and a half men in complete darkness, or three men cucked into a small circle around the goblet on a pedestal with no way to move around. The boss spawn in the cemetery before the goblet is also a fucking shit because of its elevated layers where cultist snipers and missile Terminators love to stand at the top and rain down on you.
>>541062509>two and a half men in complete darkness, or three men cucked into a small circle around the goblet on a pedestal with no way to move aroundwell get used to it because in sm3 cohesion mechanics will be non-stop on all difficulty levels to teach retards like you how to move in a formation
>>541062807>move in a formationdumb ape the problem is one of them doesn't have a fucking gun or melee weapon not that you have to stay close
>>541062807Yeah, that's the problem, not the fact that the two scenarios you have are>One guy can't use abilities or his primary/melee>None of you can move away from a pedestal while you get sniped by Terminators from within the darknessYou fucking retard.
>>541060019Received.
>>541061942You're not entirely wrong but the first stretch from the mission start to the first equipment pod has zero ammo crates and two potential boss spawns, relatively compact areas with high amount of chaos units concealed around corners. It's similar to Exfiltration where you can potentially get zero ammo crates from the start to the first pod except this time it's all chaos. The level designers pulled a funny prank :^)
>parrying doesnt give i-fr-
>>541067392that guy did a sick backflip
>>541067392nice, hope you thanked him after the mission.
>>541059059Speaking of Space Sharks, I found this small tidbit when looking up whether they actually have primaris. I'm surprised there are elements in the chapter still hoping Corax would come back, assuming this "forgotten one" is him. I really should read more Space Sharks books.
>>541068097Yeah but this feels like a cope all on it's own.>Uhh they don't just get sent them they do it themselves!The chapter has a extremely hard time getting tithe and primaris was always bullshit sent from cawl.Primaris sharks aren't cannon, Fuck you GW and FUCK female jannies.
>>541061942Vortex boss is actually okay after a while, no harder than a field hellbrute encounter (unless you solo). The thing is that vortex is a long mission with shit load of obj/encounter and barely any resource. A tough vortex stratagem would drain the whole team of stim and almost everyone has wounds by the time they enter the vortex boss.
>>541061465Vox is not really that hard. Half of it is tyranid, including one possible boss encounter, which makes the mission easier. There are only like 5 possible boss spawn points so you can easily go through the whole mission with only one boss encounter. All boss spots are relatively in okay spots to fight as well. Ammo cache are also plentiful
>>541069753Fall of Atreus tho. Everytime I run that mission I hope the brute doesn't spawn in that long corridor after the first weapon pod. Fighting there is hell.
>>541068631>Primaris sharks aren't cannonWell, they are.
>>541068097How much bigger would Primaris Tiberius be?
>>541070180True. That is possibly the hardest of the mission. However, the mission has freebie dreadnough sessions where you can play safe and dreadnought clear everything. It also shit out stim/resource. The first dreadnought session alone has 2 guaranteed stims in the buildings and your team can have like 4 stims after the first half. The dreadnought in that one corridor is tough sure, but it is doable if you play around the bend. The possible hellbrute encounter in the area after that can straight up be ran through and even if the hellbrute follows you, you can open the gate and let the dreadnought insta kill thr hellbrute. The last possible of hellbrute during battery transfer is pretty easy with open space.
>>5410703351 mm per year
>>541068097They simply written that everyone who can't receive physical Primaris reinforcements got gene sneed instead.
>>541070253NO!
>>541051614>lose any kind of ranged power when facing an enemy on a 1 meter tall incline, but you can swing your swordVs.>can plink at random dudes in a near 180 degree radius forever and drive-by murderize if possible
>playing operations alone with public spots open, slow but steady, not rushing>guy joins, runs ahead, pulls a bunch of mobs>im trying to catch up, he gets downed>immediately leaves the gameI dont understand.Also the catacombs map can be pure aids playing with randos. When playing as bulwark youre expected to carry the chalice, which is fine, but having to tard rangle squadmates to follow the right path can be exhausting
>>541073236>drive-bySo? You're cavalry, you don't want to spend time dancing around getting shot you want to break through a line of orks, gunning a whole big enough for you to crash through, crush and cleave over their fallen corpses, then peel the fuck out before they get a chance to target you.You shouldn't be riding a motorbike into a fight anyways but if you're going to do it then you should lean into being the living hunter-seeker missile instead of plinking away as you get drowned in rokkits.
>>541074242>When playing as bulwark youre expected to carry the chaliceand lose both your only way of dealing damage and helping the team by aggroing shooters? since fucking when
>>541075612The majority of times ive played bulwark on that map, when we get to the chalice ive noticed everyone stands there looking at me, waiting for me to grab it and then they run off
>>541074760That's the thing, you've already got the speed so why the fuck would you need to swing a chainsword? Just stick it at a 90 degree angle and drive past the ork.Sticking a gun on a hardpoint makes it useless unless you're on a straight collision course with the enemy, which is hard to do with planes on a 3 dimensional battlefield, let alone ground vehicles.Ranged weapons need freedom of motion way more than melee weapons because being 15 degrees off with a chainsword will still hit while being 15 degrees off with a bolter won't even hit the broad side of a barn.
>>541075612You still can melee and shoot with your pistol. If I remember correctly, you still block while running as well. Melee class simply hold the chalice or other obj.
>>541076195>you've already got the speed so why the fuck would you need to swing a chainsword?so you can duel with their own bikers and jetpack squads
>>541076195Yeah well have you considered that it looks cool?
>>541076195You go brr with the gun to clear a path for your bike. If the gun is strong enough, it can clear obstruction and obstacle as well.
>>541076272>>541076384https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQNever said it wasn't cool, just that it was stupid>>541076406Not sure if that makes sense, but okay
>>541075612Bulwark can still use his shield while holding the chalice. He's not fucked like everybody else when carrying it.
>take this genesneed, brother. don't go down
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>>54107816kekFormerly gene-chuck
>>541069753>>541070180I always felt Fall of Atreus was the easiest Chaos operation. Vox Liberatis' slow elevator descent potentially malfunctioning and your team being battered because one guy felt like exterminating everything in the gorge before it was always a nightmare leveling up at the start of the game. Hard Weekly just brought that nightmare back.Atreus has two dreadnought sections and they recently made it so most enemies, even a helbrute, will despawn if you get to the dreadnought in front of the mechanicus facility. I distinctly remember making a ton of death runs to the dreadnought when both of my teammates died as early as the necron tomb walk all the way to the final section.
>>541078163>Triple Biovore upon ye
>hard strat>teammate has blood angels AND dark angels pauldronsshould have quit right then and there
>>541079913he is alpha legion
>mained bulwark so far>just hit prestige 2 level 8>notice today the RB on my $260 controller is starting to make crackling noises when pressed and isn't as responsive, likely breaking from overuseRip meI may have to switch to heavy while I save up for a new controller
the game just breaks with this many extremis. there is so much unavoidable aoe damage going around.
