We Must Be Better Men Edition>News09/09/2025: Kaytoted BTFO'd by C&D, Ascension took over Epoch their player count keeps declining. 30/08/2025 : Blizzard is taking legal action against Turtle. This doesn't stop the server, but it may impact some individuals working for Turtle under US jurisdiction ( https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.985127/gov.uscourts.cacd.985127.1.0.pdf ) 17/08/2025 : Turtle's new realm Ambershire is out along Epoch's Kezan, Gurubashi and Menethil! >Released Servers ranked by current global popularity Turtle WoW - https://turtle-wow.org (Vanilla+) Project Epoch - https://www.project-epoch.net/ (Vanilla+) Tauri - https://tauriwow.com (MoP, pre-patch and WoD areas in near future) Warmane - https://www.warmane.com/ (TBC, WOTLK, MoP) Ascension - https://ascension.gg/en (Classless, Reborn Classic+, Custom Classes/CoA, Epoch) Mistblade 3 (Sheilun) - https://stormforge.gg/en (MOP Progressive) Chromiecraft - https://www.chromiecraft.com/en/ (PVE, progressive) Netherwing - https://stormforge.gg/en (TBC Progressive) >Guilds To join a guild, type /who g-"Guild Name" to see who's online, and whisper anyone for an invite once you're above level 5. <Evil> - Turtle WoW, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /wpsg/'s guild <Branded> - Turtle Wow, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /heals/'s guild (ERP) >>>/trash/heals <Full Moon Company> - Turtle WoW, Nordanaar realm, crossfaction <Totally Nice Dudes> - Bronzebeard+, Ascension, whisper Kott <gulag> - Tauri, Evermoon realm, Alliance >Turtle All Turtle addons (copy & paste github links on the launcher) - https://turtle-wow.fandom.com/wiki/Addons Misc - https://database.turtle-wow.org | https://talents.turtle-wow.org | https://twow.link/classchanges | https://turtle-timer.vercel.app >Mods, Tutorials and /wpsg/ Creations https://pastebin.com/4Awe3bxX >Previous Thread>>540914114
noo they ruined my flat top!
They need to do something about the lighting in all those new/custom areas, it's so bad
>didn't kill Ragnaros last weekIs my toon bricked
F I S H W A S R I G H T
>>541043221should've gone guy fieri
>>541043510wdymalsoHD models are so ass, i don't even feel like playing tauri cuz of them
https://voca.ro/1lBvAoSbgOBA
Silkfang unironically won.
Rackbride is Ellifta/EllinnaA literal whoWho gives a fuckMystery solved
No one gives a fuck about your teenage girl tier gossiping about you namefags and your faggot blogposts, stop selfposting
>>541044690worshipping myself in a thread filled with lonely millenials that just want to play wow is the only impact i have on this world
>fish genuinely fell for aoi’s onlyfans catfishStill makes me lol
Does Hpally have some new fancy spells/talents in Warcraft Reborn? Or is it just a basic WotLK Hpally?
do we have a guild on Evermoon yet?on the correct side that is
>>541045585yeah but you're not invited
bara tauren clique
>no horde guild on Evermoongrim>>541043221My orc looks AWESOME, git gud.
>>541046462>being a no-shoes niggernow THAT'S grim
>>541046462come home white manwe need hutners in <gulag> anyway
BBC friday
Questing alone is so lonely. So sad that I started late ;-;
>>541046462yeah I don't get why are people so infatuated with the ERP faction WoD starting zone for alliance is also one the gayest one, only zangarmarsh is worse
wpsg threads be like "things are heating up in the gay nigger fandom"
>>541047519cos literally no one likes playing as a no-shoes zugger
>>541047680keep your footfaggotry to yourself
https://youtu.be/roMIgN84nCQ?si=1XySq31Q4z-XYcOuBronzebeardWarcraftClassic+Yep, that's bwc+ for short.
>>541047680>cos literally no one likes playing as a no-shoes zuggerZugger site
why horde is so popular?>no shoes>ugly races>ugly citiesare racials matter so much?
jesus fuck, we get it you have a fetish for feet
>>541048030>>ugly racesOrcs and belf females are sexy
>>541048186>belfnot true Horde
>>541048030brown(amerimutt) influx on this website since 2016
>>541048405>>>541048186>>belf>not true Horde
It is time
https://gamingcy.com/blog/horde-vs-allianceGood Morning Sir
grim
>>541048864elf masterrace
>>541043259I like how moody grim batol is. i don't want it lit up like ironforge or brd.
>>541048864Literally graphs of >Which race has hottest females The only issue is with draenei
>>541048864>undead less popular than orcwtf happened to wow past-vanilla also, highmountain is like the most kino nu-race, why is it the least popular baka
Orc starting zone on Bwc+ is kino
b-bros?
What are objectively the best alliance races for each class on Turtle? I know they changed races a bit and introduced helves
>>541049776
holy kino
GUL'DAN
>>541051013>dey good boys, dey didnu nuffin wrong!
>>541051013>One reduced to a dungeon boss>Second is a proper raid boss with cool mechanics and actually memorable>Third reduced to a fucking demon cumsock slave in hellforge citadel>Fourth is a shitty first boss in ogre raid>Fifth is also a shitty bossAmazing xpac blizzard
>he was in the middle of questing?>crash the server
WTF is a "muisek"
>>541051758music in ganja language
Does +% chance to hit reduce the amount of parry and dodge or just the amount of misses?
>>541051758The Muisek is the avenging spirit of a creature killed in a violent death.[1] With a specially made vessel the Muisek of a creature can be captured and used for a powerful spirit weapon[2] or whatever else the enchanter wishes.[3] The Muisek, during the capture process can be prevented from escaping if the creature is shrunken first.[4]
>>541051013Our MOTHERFUCKING HEROES.
It seems auctionator doesn't work on turtle? Is there a similar addon that lets me know if something is worth selling on the AH or just vendor trash?
>>541051559>nearly genocided invasive race of aliens that tried to convert others into their own religion and subvert their ruling apparatuswtf Blizzard, Horde is literal WW2 Germany?!?!!
>>541051924Only miss, the only way to reduce parry/dodge is with expertise they added in tbc.
I've been sorting my bank/void storage for an hour now
things are heating up in the gay nigger fandom
>>541053465Do /wpsg/ troons really????
>>541053465LAST TIME ON TRANNY BALL ZSILKFANG'S POWER CONTINUED TO RISE. WITH THE HELP OF HIS BRANDED WHORES, HE OBTAINED THE ILLUSTRIOUS WHIRLWIND SWORDTHIS SENT RACKBRIDE INTO A DEEP SPIRAL, CAUSING HIM TO COPE AND SEETHE IN HIS KEK SHED AT THE CANADIAN CHADMEANWHILE THE WILEY HELIOSN TRIED TO HAMPER SILKFANG'S PROGRESS IN HIS ASCENSION TO GODHOOD, AND NINJALOOTED VALUABLE GREENS FROM THE CANUCK DOMWILL RACKBRIDE GET HIS REVENGE? WILL HELIOSN BE ABLE TO PREVENT SILKFANG FROM TAKING HIS HEAVENLY THRONE? FIND OUT TODAY ON TRANNY BALL Z
>>541054279
>>541053465Are you guys 14? Mentally still in high school? What the fuck kind of talk is this?These are grown ass men talking like this, can you believe this shit?
>>541055421What makes you think they're not underage
nice guild bro
>>541053465We know who Rack is but who is this mysterious bull breeding Moonroar?
stop crashing!!!
>>541056458>he did the quest?>crash it
>>541056196Torzag
me and my wife
>>541056896>worgenfurfag AND feet fetish
>>541056896Yrel's horsecock. My ass. NOW.
>>541057115troonerald
>>541056896>that N64 ass texture on her tbc armorholy cringehow hard is it to run all the textures through an ai upscaler at least.
>crashed AGAIN
>>541057363legion patch so no ai back then sis
Is there a mutesoundfile addon for Legion or something similar to it? The spell fizzles are actually driving me insane.
>>541057652
>>541057807I mean do it now, these private servers will make their own custom clients and shit but won't run the ancient textures through an upscaler?
>>541057862you can change any sound file in the game by adding a 'Sound' folder in the wow directory. From there you need to find out where exactly the file is in the sound folder of the base archive, and place your new sound in that exact file path with the same file name. The game prioritizes loading the loose file over the one packed in the archive, so you are overriding the base sound. You can mute a sound by making a blank file and giving it the name of the sound with the correct file name, just make a new blank txt and rename it to XYZ.wav or whatever it is.
>>541053465Rackbride needs to get laid.
>>541058373Doesn't work beyond cata
>>541059075It still works on retail lmao
can't fucking WAIT for based B B C +
>removes solar & lunar eclipse>replaces it with fucking nothingsovless
ok i did the impossible and convinced several real life friends to try out stupid ass bronzebeard. but i dont know wtf to play.paladin or shaman or rogue?also maybe a dumb question but how does wpvp work when factions are cross-faction? Like if we join a guild that has both factions in it or something.
>>541053465Glad I never ever joined a /vg/ guild. No wonder they never achieve anything because all they do is spew gay shit like this.
>>541059408Same. I can't wait for BBC+
>>541053465imagine getting cucked by a FUCKING LEAF
>>541060617KEKED BY A CANUCK
why did you faggots convince me to play troondle when kino like BBC was right around the corner?
>>541061619shills shill what a surprise
>>541061881fuck you, I leveled all the way to 60 on troondle thinking it was a fixed version of vanilla, when in reality it's just regular vanilla dogshit.
Mages need to understand their place
we're joining this one right guys
Is the human trinket racial still gonna be busted on BBC? I would prefer not to play human but if it's unchanged from wotlk it's basically mandatory for pvp.
>>541062245<free use> is a better ERP guild than <Branded>
>>541044097Take meds.
>>541062245>>541062441<free use> is also way more active than <Branded>
>>541062717Probably because they aren't busy threatening one another and being unhinged schizos
>>541053465Rackbride… what’s going on big guy…
>>541062925Rackbride is a she
People who hate Turtle because "muh troons" have never played it, same applies to other servers who have people say they suck because of something weird they're mazed about and will probably never even affect their gameplay. Just play the game and shut the fuck up, or rather don't, because everyone knows behind that screen sits an ESL drooler, a European autist, or an American lesbian. And they're all tourists. Bad general is bad and irredeemable. This place is beyond tained, best you leave and never return.
>>541063347This, so much this. These islamophobes are NOT welcome in turtlewow!
What the heck is nonny talking about?
>>541063347xer? your clitty is leaking
The reason you should hate Twow is because of Shenna, the custom content and the corrupt mod team who doesn't care about WoW at all and just care about turning it into a job for them
>crashing this server, WITH NO SURVIVORS!
T-WoW is actually super straight, tons of super hot transwomen like Rackbride!
"evil" bows to troons like silkfang btw
>>541063675I hate troondle because vanilla gameplay is rancid ass.
>>541063347This! I am announcing my transition from Turtle to BBC+
>>541063820I might be racist, but I will never ever stop sucking a transwoman's cock.
I'm quitting wpsg for like a month or two until people decide which server they should play on, BBC+ or Turtle. Goodbye for now.
>>541063984>BBC+ or Turtlewarmane
Going to conquer Stormwrought Castle!
>>541064063that's the buttdoor
>>541064164Am I supposed to know where the actual entrance is
>>541062387i want to know this too, same boat, would rather not go human but if the racial is busted then its basically necessary.
>>541064198If you go through the castles' front entrance you can go in the "main" entrance but it's less efficient than going in the back regardless of whether you're running Ruins or Descent.
>>541064264I plan to clear all of it
>>541064316Just go in through the entrance in>>541064063and head right and clear out all of Ruins then backtrack and do all of Descent then I guess. Still faster than going in the "main" way.
>>541060242Rackbribe is in Branded, it's a /trash/ guild. We have nothing to do with him. We are well-behaved, competitive-minded, and success-oriented.
>>541064368you have trannies in the guild
>>541064409we don't have trannies in our guild
Silkfang didn't realize that all victories breed hate, and that over your superior is foolish or fatal. Superiority is always detested, a fortiori superiority over superiority. Caution can gloss over common advantages; for example, good looks may be cloaked by careless attire. There be some that will grant you precedence in good luck or good temper, but none in good sense, least of all a prince; for good sense is a royal prerogative, any claim to that is a case of lese majeste. They are princes, and wish to be so in that most princely of qualities. They will allow a man to help them but not to surpass them, and will have any advice tendered them appear like a recollection of something they have forgotten rather than as a guide to something they cannot find. The stars teach us this finesse with happy tact; though they are his children and brilliant like him, they never rival the brilliancy of the sun.
>>541064470>silkfag
>>541060242>/vg/ guild>branded<Branded> is from /trash/. Even the OP says as much.><Branded> - Turtle Wow, Ambershire realm, crossfaction, /heals/'s guild (ERP) >>>/trash/healsNot defending /vg/ guilds. Just pointing out that this isn't one.
>join a non-/vg/ guild>achieve 8hrs MC>wipe several times in onyxia>roster is 40 people so fuck you getting any lootso much for avoiding /vg/
Whisper Silkfang for an invite to <Good>, the true anon guild of Ambershire.
>>541065405Why did you join a shitty guild? We easily cleared everything in like 2 hours.
>>541065405>achieve 8hrs MCStill better than <Evil> and <Branded> didn't even pug it>roster is 40 people so fuck you getting any lootThat's normal though, but at least your guild got loot that will help you on the next run. Most of <Evil>'s loot went to pugs. One pug snagged five pieces of T1.
>>541065661I was made believe it couldn't get worse than /vg/
>>541065821It didn't. You did better. Feel free to join <Evil> though if you really think your guild sucks.
there are 1k anons in this general that didn't join a vg guild and will remind you they didn't daily, while also shilling for whatever the next fresh is and participating in thread drama
how do i make elvui less ugly
>>541066075It's not possible.
>>541066075stop using it
>>541064859Silkfang is not a transgender woman.
>>541066159>>541066179bet ur just mad i can make my hp bar look like this
I already said I'm a man like 100 times, they are just projecting their gay lust on me
>>541066075just use suf, bartender, and some kind of mini-map addon it's way easier than trying to configure elvui
>>541066381you can do it with any unit frames addon
>>541065405What do you mean by 8hrs MC? It doesn't matter if you do it 8 hours after release if you don't want world first, don't tell me the run took 8 hours....
>>541066212>gets boosted by branded>RPs in every post about making people kneel before xerself>first post is calling xerself a dom looking for slaves
>>541066926
>>541066751The run took 8hours, half the raid is waffletier
Some of you need to be reminded.
Sharbull won.
>>541067129>brags about scamming>kicks people if he loses rollshmm
>>541067826You'll be ok.
>>541068105>loses a green item roll
>>541068183You'll be fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvd3aEsThbcThis is you right now.
>>541068183NGMI
>>541068258>>541068379>>541068105Troon melty
>>541053465cringe>>541068415based
90 minutes of alliance turtling AV0 towers capturedgalv unkilled350 repI'm going to cry
>>541068415>first real evil drama is by a trannyXer will deny it.
>>541068415>I HAD TO SPEND 2 GOLD FOR THE REST OF THE SET, I AM NOW ENTITLED TO GET THE BOOTS
Beside that troon being a shitty human being, what's really annoying is how much he posts there. Constantly shitting up the thread and often selfposting on cooldown whenever someone talk about him.
>>541068415holy fuck I'm glad I stayed far away from this guild and Silkfang in particular just seems like a genuine sociopath
>>541068673That's so funny Rackbride
>>541068553vanilla is shit, and vanilla AV is the crown shit jewel.
>>541068458I'm a man and don't get upset by /wpsg/ silliness. You shouldn't either. It's just for fun.
>>541068749It's really funny you think only certain thread personalities would feel that way when it's on full display for anyone to observe
>>541068895>I'm a manThere was no doubt about that.
>>541068415Reminder that this schizophrenic has namefagged so much that he's filled 3 archive pages in just 3 dayshttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/Silkfang/
>>541068914I don't think you're literally Rackbride I'm calling you Rackbride as another way to call you a massive faggot because I think massive faggot doesn't do justice for what a Rackbride you are
Holy shit they're turning "rackbride" into a slur
>>541068961Thanks for the compliment.
>>541069002He is neet constantly posting about himself.
>>541069002Wow anon you sure talked a lot about that other anon maybe give it break?
>>541069002and he doesn't shut up in gchat too
>pass through Duskwood as a Horde>coolest zone I've ever seen>now just finishing clearing it as an Alliance>as I complete more quests and kill more elites I wonder when I'm gonna get the quest to kill Stitches>look up Stitches on a wiki>no quests associated with him, only thing he drops is a named Lv18 clubOh...Okay..........
>>541069045...ok
>>541056896don't you love how they made her space hitler out of nowhere
>>541043010>Tauri - https://tauriwow.com (MoP, pre-patch and WoD areas in near future)this is out of date. WOD is already active.
now this is what we all want
>>541069585as if wow lore matters post-wrath. it's a never ending cartoon clownshow, who gives a shit.
>wpsg highmaul raid next week
So how is WOD guys? are there a lot of bugs? are the quests working ok?
>>541068415>autist can't detect sarcasm
Tauri boys, what are we going to do with all these crashes?
>>5410698580 bugs so far, but>crash
RACKBRIDE IS COMING FOR YOU SILKFANGHE'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO CANADA AND HE'S GONNA FUCK YOU IN THE ASS AND MAKE YOU HUMBLE WHILE TRUDEAU WATCHES
>>541070109she*
>>541069965I second it. haven't had any bugs so far but it keeps crashing. I'd give it a few days to work out the kinks also with everyone rushing back into the WoD content you have to compete with other players for mob respawns.
>finally finish downloading tauri client>server is downAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEREEEEEEEEEEE
the crashes aren't tauri's fault this is just the WoD experience
>tauri has legion attack animations nowSmooth bros winning bigly
>>541070464true, this is how it was on actual release
>>541069898it took 3 solid hours just to sort through of all backlog from playing mop for 5 years (mogs, pets, mounts, gold caps)not sure if I am going to play ez mode WW monk or die trying to play rogue in an expansion that really fucking hated rogues up until last patchbtw >>541070203do you lads also crash or unable to login with character in vale of eternal blossoms ?
>>541070203You don't have to compete for shit, tags are shared
It's over
>>541071235these models look so fucking bad it's unreal
>>541071645have the equivalent of a tree ring dating>WoD character model>TBC sword>Vanilla set
>>541071235human... we must do better...
Where are all the Turtle trannies and femboys I'm supposed to bump into? It's been nothing but friendly #journey normies. I wanted bussy and you retards lied to me.
LET ME IN
>things have gotten so bad people are playing WoD
>>541069746disgusting
We're back
>>541066072This but unironically
>>541072150turtle>"muh trannies"bronzebeard>"retail slop"tauri>"hmm yummy"NGMI
>>541072150new content nigga, no other private server has polished wod or legion content (firestorm lmao).Better than stormforge new wrath server which was like 2% new content
>>541072150prepatch until legion kino
>>541072000The TurtleRP addon comes with a femboy radar
most played horde class at 60 is shaman by a stupid amount, how the fuck are people still needing them for raids? not even talking about healers, they look for any shaman, you only need like 1 or 2
It's over again
Anyone got one of these addons for Legion (or equivillent) : Outfitter, DrDamage, Factionizer
Join or i'll kill you with my big red sword
>>541073915What guild shortshit and who do I whisper for invite
>>541073095>most played class on faction is the class locked to that factionYou want to think about that for a minute or two? Maybe take a look at paladin on alliance for a clue>you only need like 1 or 2You can't really believe that
>>541073915reroll your shit faction first ankle biter
>>541066072The real question is, how many guildless warlocks are there, and what is their price
We're back again
>>541068415Taunting someone, saying you'll delete an item they need out of spite is nigger behavior.
How the hell do I turn off the hardcore chat in Turtle. This is pure mental illness.
Rackbride said on /heals/ that he was known in FMC. Who was he?>>>/trash/78241359>Except I'm publicly known for FMC bullshit on Nord on NOT this character.
>>541076469.hc 60
It's OVER again
dad
TAVRI!!!!!!!!!
>>541076756Yes daughter?
>>541076575me
>>541076792>KIL'ROGGS your server
brings me back.>but legion wasn't that long ago2016 was 9 years ago.
https://strawpoll.com/3RnYX9x3Wye
>>541076949GILLLROGGGGGG :DDDD
>>541077215>invites 20 pugs to the first MC"No!"
>>541077296Was a good decision
>>541077129
>>541077296evil was supposed to start raiding 6 months in and get carried by t3 geared players just like fmc
>>541075614it might be but it's also funny as fuck
>>541077129>AP grind per spec>RNG Legendaries>Titanforging>M+ players still cucked by raiders>Key depletion (grey keys)Legion wasn't even fun to play outside of finally giving us Demon Hunters and having a good story if you're into that
>>541062090Elves were a mistake.
>>541077912>kino raids>kino artifacts>KaraBACK>Suramar>Artifact kino
>>541076575Therin
And NOWwe are BACK
the warcraft 3 autist will also play bronzebeard, its going to be super packed
>>541078238Therin is in Evil under the same name. You need to lock in if you want to uncover the truth
>>541077912Suramar is the best execution of a storyline hey've ever made, whoever made that should've led some team to make sure every single zone after that was played the same way.
Never played Legion but I think Highmountain Tauren are very cute. How do I unlock them asap?
>can't turn off critter names without also turning every other name offI HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT I HATE THE 1.12 CLIENT
>>541078414just play through the highmountain questline
>>541078350Interesting that even the retard who couldn't figure out that Therin is Therin had no problem correctly identifying telol.
>>541078223Yes yes it's all very kino. Unfortunately kino status doesn't dictate how fun the actual game is.>>541078373Suramar was also timegated with all sorts of bullshit including mission table. It was aids as fuck to play through during the actual expansion.
>playing anything past wotlkMaybe one or two dungeons are interesting in cataclysm, but you can just backport them and Worgens and Goblins to a good game(wotlk+)Today, I will do an emperor run to save the princess and get all the quests for HQ on my immortal loreseeker high elf paladin
>>541078269>warcraft 3 autistBut that's not Grubby?
>>541078269Is there some kind of class poll yet?
>the fag who leveled through killing lvl green mobs educating people about taste
>>541079041Also>paladinHe was never in any actual danger.
>>541078716erm, don't you know that if you install dozens of unspecified community patches it's actually the best client? heh, I'm so in the know, it's VERY cool.
>>541078983i would not know, try google
>BBCHYPE>BBCHYPE>BBCHYPE>BBCHYPE
>>541079229H Y P E
I just hit 43 and can't decide where to level in twow, any suggestions?
>>541079605I suggest you dump troondle and get hyped for the most kino server to ever release>>541079229
>>541078871I changed my mind, I need to do Sunken Temple quests first, and to do Sunken Temple once for fun
>>541079605FeralasGilneasHinterlandsStranglethorn's piratesTanaris
>>54107960543 is perfect for gilneas
>>541079229>Main warrior and priest>BBC+ warriors look good and priests are the best heals in the gameFinna be eating good BBCbros
>>541079229I'm literally salivating for BBC right now
>Tauri up to 1.4k on Evermoon>Server is hanging onWe're doing itWe're making it happen
>>541080031How hard is the Wildhammer rep grind? There is a nice weapon I want at honored and the cape at exalted is pretty wild.
>>541080328How do you deal with playing a class that is usually 30% of the server population?
>>541079229>Pinkies will dominate in both pve/pvp healing/dps aspects compared to priestsits not fair
I'm a High Elf, or Helf as I like to say.What are some fun Lv30 EK zones I can do? I did Desolace on my cute soft Tauren boy and that was a mistake. Horrible zone, never go there!
>>541080852I mostly pvp so idgaf about class populations. wotlk warriors are pure pvpkino and the additions/changes they made to them look fucking busted.in fact that's the thing that concerns me most about the server, seems to me they will be constantly trying to balance the game when they made it impossible to balance by making the classes so complex.
ME BUSYLEAVE ME ALONE