Remember that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. Report and ignore shitposters that only spam and argue in bad faith./ffg/ spam filter: https://pastebin.com/SJ1sb9r0>General Info on Final Fantasyhttps://finalfantasy.fandom.com>What version should I play?http://pastebin.com/nDC7j5bn>Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLsIQEGj-E [Open]>Final Fantasy Tactics: The Ivalice Chronicleshttps://youtu.be/JRIElEOQa4c?si=d0hEChixTBdlYy_w [Open]>Final Fantasy XVI Infohttps://na.finalfantasyxvi.com>Launch Trailer "Salvation"https://youtu.be/_CrV3hkJuvs [Open]>DLChttps://youtu.be/RecsFD6SWfc [Open]https://youtu.be/aveDvd66xlk [Open]>PC Trailerhttps://youtu.be/LBqpFlA_4s [Open]>Final Fantasy VII Rebirthhttps://youtu.be/WgdkN2tCAFw [Open]https://youtu.be/Q56cRDseTG [Open]>Final Fantasy VII Ever Crisishttps://youtu.be/afTX-30KkaE [Open] [Open]>Dissidia Final Fantasy Opera Omniahttps://www.youtube.com/@DFFOperaOmnia>Final Fantasy Brave Exvius: War of the Visionshttps://pastebin.com/1yvynbW8>Final Fantasy Brave Exviushttps://pastebin.com/mwANP4fD>Final Fantasy XIhttp://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtmlPrevious thread: >>>540766304
Some people really need to figure out that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. You don't have to go out of your way to remind everyone every time it comes up, and argue with anyone who does like it.
Matsuno should have been the director/writer of FFXVI.
Aside from the quality of its voice acting XVI was still trash all around.
FFXVI is a 10/10 Final Fantasy.
>>541212247>>541205356LMAO all barks no bites huh?why are you so scared of baking new threads?Just follow the ffg rules like I did and you will be fine
>[Open]OP just can't stop being retarded.
>>541216594>>541218558Based!
Are there lolis in FF tactics?
When I read news about Final Fantasy, be they good or bad, my first reflex is to imagine in great details the effect it would have on my thread archnemesis. Anyone else does this?
>>541218558They cannot prevent themselves from shitposting with every single post to 4chan that they make. It's a real mental illness that they suffer from, it's literally impossible for them to make a post without turning it into some sort of shitpost. Like, they literally MUST delete something to make their thread enemy upset. They literally MUST change the pastebin. They cannot help themselves.
>>541219062Yes!
Before you make negative remarks about Yoshida, XIV, or XVI, I want you to remember that Naoki Yoshida is a human being.
>>541219062I was gonna say maybe Rapha but I think she’s like 13?
>>541209001>>541209001>>541209001>[Deleted]Huh. This post seems to have made one guy incredibly upset. Very interesting. I wonder why that would be?
bro really deleted his own post just to repost it and cry about something that isn't FF
>>541219834Seems so.
>>541219834>>541219891Do you have any ideas why that post would make one guy so upset?
>>541219834The cultist has been crashing out ever since the FFT remaster flopped, please don't mind him.
>>541219443That's a chibi you fucking retard
>>541219169More and more people are starting to notice: >>540769086
>>541220318First your narrative is that "Yoshitroons" hate Matsuno, now your narrative is that "cultists" are "crashing out" about Tactics "flopping". Tactics is reviewing very positively, btw, has an even higher score than Remake currently (which has a higher score than Rebirth, of course) and I'm guessing we'll get a celebratory sales update for Tactics before we get one for Rebirth. You have no idea how to keep your own shitpost narratives straight, small little man. It's pretty funny.
>>541220318Seems you were right, he got instantly tilted over this. Be careful.
>>541219834Keeping this post in mind during the next big expose
VIIRgins are shaking in their boots right now for some reason. Very strange behavior. Looks like all of them are here too, all at the same time, all agreeing with each other, very conveniently, and all insisting that every post they don't like is made by their bogeyman, "Yoshitroon" "cultist". Very interesting indeed.
>>541216498Agrias is literally proto-Saber. Can SE sue Type Moon for this?
>>541221108It's tough out there
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/540766304/#q541091883https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/540766304/#q541092478>[shitposter narrative is that his made up bogeymen hate Matsuno]>>541220318>[shitposter narrative is that his made up bogeymen are upset at Matsuno "flopping"]Can anyone explain this?
>>541220795Based and true!Ivalice Chads just keep winning
FFT's success is a good thing and all, but the drama is where the cultists celebrate their victory just because the cult leader has his name in the game's credits, as if he's the one who made the game.
>Yoshi-P is involved, so I must seethe
>>541223667Sadly true. It's their entire singular world view. Yoshida is involved, so he must seethe, and he must project his schizo head canon into the universe so that he has "someone" to rage against, never actually realizing that he is his own seethe - both his own seethe and the seethe he creates for himself when he crafted a bogeyman who holds every opinion that would cause him to become upset.
>>541219834Xe's retarded, please understand.
>>541233725I'm beginning to understand.
Aerisu!
So many cutscenes and talking in FF Tactics...Is this some kind of movie game?Where is my open world and minigames?
whats getting cut
>Aerisu
>>541238608Nothing...?
>>541238608The real question is how much additional lore and time with the characters are we going to get? What is the dollar-to-hour of playtime ratio? If it costs $70 then I hope we can at least get 140 hours worth of additional lore and time with the characters.
>>541238608Everything will be presented as a cutscene similar to Xenogears because Rebirth was a failure.
>>541240253>Everything will be presented as a cutscene similar to Xenogears because Rebirth was a failure.God, that would be so funny, but in reality I think that making everything a cutscene would actually cost them more money than just making Part 3 in the style of Rebirth, because all of the assets are built out already. I genuinely think that it would cost SE more money to go from Rebirth into Xenogears disc 2.
>>541238608Once the remake project is completed, they will shift their focus to XIIIR.
>>541240824Eclaire...
>>541240253And then you remember reality exists.
>>541244445Boy, have I got a nice as fuck bridge to sell you, lil bro.
>>541244983Try using it yourself to get over your dad leaving.
>>541245474uhhhhhhh BASED??
>>541245474What a weird thing to say.
Why didnt they announce Rebirth sales?
>>541248318They were... too humble to do so. You see, the numbers are simply too large and would make everyone else jealous.
>>541238608As long as we get more Gi Tribe lore I’ll be a happy camper.
>>541248318Because SE hoped Rebirth would out the gate surpass Remake. It probably didn't. And because it didn't SE did a deep dive on it's business structure to figure out what happened.In that process they realized they were burning too much cash on HD games that no one was buying and putting out their big hitters too close to each other. XVI and Rebirth do not even have a year gap and nothing outside of FF and DQ were even hitting six figures on units sold. Console exclusivity also wasn't helping anything. A number cruncher probably got to finally point out to his boss the premium they got from Sony to launch on PS exclusively was no longer making up the potential gain from PC and XBox sales (although I suspect this was realized years ago Rebirth was just on the ass end of the Sony exclusive period)So internally they focused on a restructure of their dev divisions and in that restructure marketing probably got told "Dont fucking announce shit on sales until we are done with this restructure" so that retarded investors didn't pop up with their commentary "well Rebirth sold X million so why do we need to change anything"tldr: didnt hit mark and announcing numbers wasn't practical at the time
One true love and kissu hug! Canon and cute couple!
I follow 4 other generals (persona, metaphor, horror, and emugen)And this is the worst one by far, it's very autistic and spammy and the pictures either aren't good or repetitive, thinking about dropping it.
>>541248318Better question, why haven't they updated XVI's sales? The game is already on PC it can't be stuck at 3 million, right? Right???
>>541249803>And because it didn't SE did a deep dive on it's business structure to figure out what happened.I'm glad it happened. Now they won't be releasing exclusive games anymore.
>>541249803>Because SE hoped Rebirth would out the gate surpass Remake. I don't know why anyone would ever be so retarded as to think this. Even a retard could have anticipated this. I was telling the VIIRgin shitposters who spent 9 months shitposting about XVI's 3 million sales that Remake "only" sold 3.5 million in comparison, on a platform that everyone actually owned (PS4) compared to a platform that no one owns (PS5), and so they are setting themselves up for failure by shitposting XVI's 3m sales, because Rebirth has multiple hurdles to overcome which it will certainly fail to do. Remake's 3.5m (on PS4) isn't even that many more sales than XVI's 3m (on PS5) to begin with, and not only that but in order to buy Rebirth you must have played and liked Remake, and also own a PS5. It was never going to surpass 3.5m sales, not in anyone wildest dreams, but it's very sad and perhaps a bit too revealing that they weren't even capable of announcing 3m sales like they did for XVI. And then if you have to say "wooo, yaaay, 2 million sales!" after the previous entry got 3.5m sales, and after the game that /ffg/ never stops shitposting about got 3m sales, and on top of that it's Final Fantasy fucking VII, the most lauded and iconic JRPG of all time, well it would just be too sad to even think about if SE had to say "look, 2m sales, of our flagship of flagship IPs!"
>>541250603Ever since XVI flopped, we haven't been the same.
>>541251785Because everyone says that FFVII doesn't get good until after Midgar.
>>541250603>nd this is the worst one by far>personacmon manpersona is literally waifufagging the entire thread
>>541253593Who the fuck says that? In my opinion, OG Midgar is a legit 10/10, but the rest of the game is kinda mid.
>>541253750>persona is literally waifufagging the entire threadNot him, but it would be an improvement if that's what /ffg/ was. Lightning avatarfag (and real Vanillefag) would have to abstain for maybe even an entire year before the stink of Paulie wore off of them, and Paulie would probably just switch to posting Tifa while shitposting about Aerith because he's a shipper but not really because canon couple isn't shipping right and Aerith is dead... honestly, I just can't even see this thread turning into waifufagging without the usual suspect using it to shitpost. /ffg/ is completely hopeless and needs to die.
>Alma voiced by Hayami SaoriI just vomited
Reminder that Persona is Final Fantasy.
>>541255854I remember when people were whining about this being a gacha general and wanted the gacha to fuck off. It just made the place worse.
>>541256159Not Final Fantasy, faggot
>>541256208Sad but true. There was a lot of gacha war shitposting, but at least there was actual discussion about each game, and the actual discussion wasn't just false flag schizo shitposts pretending to be discussion either. I guess "real Final Fantasy" is just the essence of Final Fantasy House.
>>541256468But enough about XVI.
>>541253256It seems a bit silly to me that a 2 year old flop should have such a large impact on the thread.But I suppose I can believe there are people in here who have turned XVI flopping into their personality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7VW38L0bA0part 3 be like
>Final Fantasy XIII ReClaire>Claire is the narrator of the whole story.>Claire's last words in Lightning Returns (not counting the secret scene) are her first words in the remake.I'm ready for Claire's Fabula Nova Crystallis.
>>541254950Literally almost everyone for over a decade at this point has said this.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/168653-final-fantasy-vii-remake/77865373
>>541249803SE literally said that they released XVI and Rebirth too close to one another and likely cannibalized each others sales, likely more heavily XVI cannibalizing Rebirth because that had the advantage of coming out earlier. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/square-enix-says-final-fantasy-16-and-final-fantasy-7-rebirth-didnt-meet-sales-expectations/1100-6526552/
>>541259981Yes. That's what I said.>and putting out their big hitters too close to each other. XVI and Rebirth do not even have a year gap
How are your Tactics Ivalice Chronicles playthroughs going, /ffg/? I just made it to Riovanes Castle.I'm really enjoying the remaster so far.The VA adds quite a lot of depth.
>>541258970>link to a Remake threadLooks to me like people were just being hopeful, with also the immediate acknowledgement that there is a camp of people (myself included) who thinks Midgar is the best part of the game. Great pacing, great stakes, it's the most coherent part of the story, etc.
My wife Eiko is cute!
>>541250047Peak.
All I want is an FFIX remake.
>>541265212>ix remake is real>it's an action game
We love low quality action slop here
>>541266205>we
>>541266205Apparently, since none of you are even playing the turn-based FF that just released.
>>541266304Yes you humongous faggot.WE
>>541266324I played Fantasian and I'm playing Tactics right now
>>541266352Excuse me, but I am not gay, just so you know :(
>>541265967As long as all the characters are playable, I wouldn't mind. Imagine it played like Rebirth or Kingdom Hearts. That would be really special.
>>541267952>Imagine it played like Rebirth or Kingdom Hearts.Final Fantasy VII has always been Kingdom Hearts.
Kingdom Hearts has always been Final Fantasy.
>>541263269The best
>A flower for a gil, ser?
>>541268221Some even say it's more FF than XVI.
My PSP won't turn on anymore...
>>541268506It's true
>>541268506It sure is. Even temporary party members in KH have their own HP/MP bars, stats, abilities, item slots and team up attacks
>>541268748Last time I moved I found my PSP and the battery had ballooned up. Tossed the battery out, never ordered another one.
>>541271074Best Final Fantasy.
>>541266324I'm currently doing my sixth playthrough of the turn-based BG3. Maybe I'll play Tactics after I'm done. Maybe I'll play some other turn-based SNES oldie. Not sure yet.
>>541271494>sixth playthrough of BG3What are you, gay?
>>541268159>>541268221Off topic
>>541271975No, because then I would have six playthroughs of XVI under my belt.
>>541271975that is really gaywho even plays a game 6 times?
>>541272075I have three.
>>541271975Being one of the very few games that allows you to select which penis and which boobs and which pronouns you want your character to have, and which animal (humanoid or bestial) you want to fuck, is very compelling to some people. Not me, but apparently that anon.
>>541272431That makes you certified bisexual.
>>541272436I have five runs of Elden Ring under my belt and that game has none of that. Maybe its the RPG elements and the build varieties that keep bringing people back for more runs of these games.
>>541271975I watched my wife play BG3
>>541272735Maybe you should go talk about the wonderful non-FF games you're playing, deviant and transexual or otherwise, in the non-FF threads where they wonderfully belong.
>>541272946I accept your concession.
Maybe we should all just call down and play Final Fantasy Tactics - The Ivalice Chronicles
>>541271975To be fair, it's a really great game with remarkable replayability.
>>541273206...what? What kind of person sits in a Final Fantasy thread, shitposting about Final Fantasy, while allegedly playing (lengthy) transexual games that are so wonderful he's played through them 6 times? What a weird thing to choose to be doing. You could be happy posting in the threads made for the games you love, which you are allegedly playing, and yet you're here shitposting about things you hate.
IDK it sounds like someone is just mega bitter than BG3 completely and utterly mogged XVI only a month after it debuted.
XVI should have been a CRPG like XII
>>541275659I understand that everything in your world revolves around your bogeyman, but that is not reality. >>541275790XII is not a CRPG. I don't like CRPGs, but I like XII. CRPGs are much more autistic than XII is. XII plays a lot more like an offline, more fluid version of XI. The way you set up gambits is basically even like creating Trusts.
So bets of VIIR Part 3 making its debut at The Game Awards in a couple months?
>>541254950joke from 2006https://vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=188kys zoomer
>vgcatsDon't forget to drink your prune juice grandpa.
>>541277715Not a zoomer by any stretch, I just didn't read VGcats. Or any web comics really. I binged a lot of 8-bit theater once, and I've seen a few xkcd ones, that's about it. Actually, I kinda liked Pictures for Sad Children. I didn't keep up with it, just binged it once or twice, but I tried to check it out a couple years ago and I found out that the creator trooned out, killed the website, took a bunch of preorder money for books, shipped about half of the books with a dead wasp inside of it (one of the jokes), and then burned the rest because he got tired of procuring dead wasps or something. Coincidentally, one of the main characters is a ghost named Paul.
Powerful words
>>541275659You don't understand. BG3 being good means Yoshida made a bad decision. Since that obviously cannot happen, BG3 is obviously slop. You would know this if you weren't a cultist.
>>541280661And that was a mistranslation
>>541273265>playing censored crapEw no thanks
>>541280661>modern localization
>>541283667Can't believe Delita said this.
>>541283667>godRetard Square Enix removed and changed anything religious from the game
>>541284624By that logic, SE should remove FF10 from existence entirely because the moral of that game was solely to shit on religions.
>>541238608I am really interested how they will bring all this together. Like will everything in the northern part be linear for 10 hours? The party needs to leave cloud somehow. Will we be able to revisit the entirety of rebirth AND remake? I feel like Rebirth should have ended when everyone felt betrayed by cloud. Like there is SO much story reveal that will happen right now. If we take in account how they like to strool around and add new stuff to it, how will they handle it? Like 60 hour main story or what?
>>541285394Why bring up X our of nowhere?I'm talking about the censorship if the new FF tactics portRetard
There’s nothing in FFX that needs to be censored.
>>541287975Looks like no one is allowed to bring up any Final Fantasy games in a reply unless they are strictly mentioned by the original poster. I will file this very important piece of information away for assured use later.
>>541258723>Claire's last words in Lightning Returns (not counting the secret scene) are her first words in the remake.What did she say?
>>541261512Got to lionel castle and realized ramza 1v1
>>541238608Nothing. Unless something is, which would be the right call.
Did Ramza and Alma....you know?
>>541214660>>541214921>Another game introduced new ground breaking graphics for the time and cinematic approach to storytellingIf we're talking about the conjunction of these attributes, then I mean VII and X. Classical games conceived its presentation more as a theatrical performance, with diorama-like worlds, miniature characters actively gesturing and so on. They still feel like a puppet shows. Sometimes you can see some cinematic techniques being used (VI's opening), but theatrical puppet show-like presentation shows itself a lot. Fantasian, Sakaguchi's latest game, was inspired by his latest VI playthrough. Here's what he had to say in one of his latest interviews:>Yes, there are certain cut scenes and camera cuts where we get a little fancy, but the overall feeling or sensation is a puppet show. I’m really glad that you specifically chose the word ‘puppet show,’ because that is kind of what we were going for.The love for staging in the style of puppet theatre is especially evident, in my opinion, in IX, the game Guch said about: " it's closest to ideal view of what Final Fantasy should be". Of course, the theatrical scene from VI makes more sense in this whole context. Takashi Tokita, the director of IV, has a theatrical background and is a great fan of the craft.The more film-oriented approach came a little later and has always been more characteristic of Kitase. Here's Kitase's take:>With Final Fantasy VII, the PS1 graphics chip finally allowed me to use the kind of cinematic presentation that had been my ideal all along. We needed a style of visual depiction that would naturally be accepted like a film is, and it was the PS1 that made that possible for the first time.I would say that VII was a trial run and Sakaguchi controlled a lot of things there, while in X Kitase's approach fully emerged. The man graduated from the film studies dept of Nihon University for a reason I guess.
>>541259981>"only" 8 months is too little time in between single player action RPGsThis is dumb cope because squaresoft was pushing out groundbreakers un a regular basis in their heyday and people weren't getting sick of them because they were some of the best games out there. People aren't biting with new FF games because they've just been dragging the series through the mud with endless slop while their competitors have been steadily improving their craft. This is karmic justice.
Be honest: do you really think the latest games were subpar to how it used to be?For me, both Remakes and Rebirth are some of the best JRPG ever.XVI is disappointing.XV is disappointing too since it was rather half-baked when it was first released but at least the DLCs improved somewhat and sales were strong.XIII is.. idk honestly. I thought the trilogy was a mistake, but the first game is actually good and could have ended there.XII is top notch through and through.And honestly I still dont think any JRPG franchise that is still better than this.
>>541214660>>541214921>Another game introduced new various jobs system>FFIYeah it's true. Let's say III introduced BEEG modification of this system, allowing freely change between jobs. I think it was a milestone too. MAN WE HAVE TO AGREE ON THIS MIDDLE GROUND.>Another game introduced mini-games>FFICompletely forgot that little puzzle mini-game, ANON YOU'RE SO SMART :O I'll try to be more precise: it was VII that introduced the idea of the game as an amusement park with a lot of mini-games and their greater importance in playthrough. I think this was an important change.And putting aside the new story and world in each FF game, it's probably also important to note the transition from mostly high fantasy (I-V) to a more modern visual style (VI), which gave rise to one of the first holy wars within the fanbase later. Essentially, regardless of these historical clarifications, the essence of the thesis remains the same: a certain balance is needed between the new and the traditional. Currently, this means shifting toward saving and modifying those aspects of recent games that worked well and were well received. This will allow SE to create games packed with content in a shorter timeframe, rather than releasing yet another barebones project that would ideally need another two years in development. This will also help resolve the numerous schisms in the franchise's perception and establish a more cohesive brand image.
>>541289756As always, Fragrant Heroine said something profound.
Be honest: my opinion is correct and everyone else's is wrong.
>>541298467There also wasn’t a cost of living crisis back in the 90’s. A $50 game may have been more expensive than a $70 game today when you take inflation into account, but wallets as a whole were nowhere near as strained 28 years ago as they are now.
>>541216498Why are FF7 girls so amazing? Especially in the remakeTifa and Jessie are healing something inside me that i didn't even know was broken. Gods what absolute top tier women.
>>541307850Forgot to add, any of you guys played ff8? It's the only FF with a more major focus on romance and i love it. It's much better to me than even dating sims etc. i don't know, it's just so tastefully done. Shame rinoa is a whore with ex boyfriend
>be a big titty goth MILF in one of the most popular FFs and PS2 games of all time>barely talked aboutWhat happened? This should've hit like crack in the early 2000s. It was the belts, wasn't it.
>>541307047The gaming industry has never been bigger. Tons of companies are still making insane profits off of gachashit and other SAAS games. Look at Square's competitors.Persona 5 alone has sold 10 million copies.Baldur's Gate 3 has sold 15 million copies.DQ3HD2D sold 2 million copies.Expedition 33 is a new IP from a new company and it sold 4 million copies despite being a turn-based game which SE thought was dead.>but it was platform exclusiveIf they thought they'd make more money from sales then they wouldn't take the exclusivity agreement. The FFVII remake would've been a generational hit if they didn't drive the franchise into the ground. It's their fault. They screwed the pooch.
Is it still too volatile to say that spending a decade remaking a PS1 game into three separate PS4/5 games was a fucking awful idea? We could've gotten a new major FF or two in that time.
>>541309641I...don't know.
>>541308832>make sequel where the ffx babes dress up like sluts>replace the hottest one with a dyke
>>541309641Nah, it was a mistake. Scope creep that necessitated splitting one game into three was a mistake. I say this as someone that loved Remake and Rebirth. The games were great and I personally enjoyed them a lot, but I can acknowledge that many people don’t feel the same way as I do, and don’t want to pay three times and invest 120+ hours into completing one story that originally only took one single $50 purchase and 40 hours to complete.
>>541298392>>541298963>replies to day old posts with two (2) text wall postsDidn't read. I told you which games you described. It's your fault you said wrong things.
>>541280661>>541283667
>>541240824This may be the only way to save the series.
>>541309641>Is it still too volatile to say that spending a decade remaking a PS1 game into three separate PS4/5 games was a fucking awful idea?Unfortunately, making this claim causes oneguy to think that you're his Yoshitroon cultist enemy and also that you're every single post he hasn't liked for the past several years, except for ones which might appear (to him) as if they are sarcastically praising Remake, and those are all posts Jimbo made. >We could've gotten a new major FF or two in that time.Yes, if CS1 was not tied up with VII Remake for a decade we could have at least had 1 new FF game, with a second one in the works if not fully finished. However, we got a Remake of a 25 year old game that we are required to purchase 3 separate copies of over the span of 10 years and 2 console generations in order to actually experience. Be thankful. It's what everyone always wanted.
>>541309641You are right.But honestly, I believe when they said that FF7 cannot be remade into one game. It would massively sacrifice fidelity.I think a middle way solution would be to lessen the padding and finish releasing three games in around 5 to 6 years max.
>>541309641It would've worked in another world with a more competent company. There's a shit ton of backstory and content that was made for VII that never made it into the game that they could've explored more, but stuff like seeing how the working stiffs above the plate are still affected by shinra and get magic cancer don't make for epic setpieces unlike cutting the shinra building in half in a dream sequence and defying your fate by pummeling the shit out of a giant retcon revenant.
If Square Enix decided to do a massive scale 3D Remake of Chrono Trigger which they decided to split into 3 separate games over the span of a decade, replete with open world slop and minigames, I wouldn't be happy I'd be pissed.
>>541318050Honestly they should just give it to the Dragon Quest team.
>>541318050I mean chrono trigger doesnt have the scale of ff7 so yeah i would be pissed as well. FF7 is a much bigger game both in story telling and world, with a proper 3 arc set. Chrono trigger doesnt have that. Where would you cut it?
>>541318734You're missing the point, likely on purpose. OG VII is only a 30-40 hour experience. Chrono Trigger is a ~20 hour experience. If they found a way to turn a 30-40 hour experience into 3 separate games and at least 1 DLC spread out across the span of 10 years and 2 console generations, then they could theoretically find a way to do it for Chrono Trigger as well. >FF7 is a much bigger game both in story telling and world, with a proper 3 arc set.Only partially true. It's a much bigger game, because the PSX allowed for much bigger games, honestly to the detriment of the genre. SNES RPGs were more streamlined and better paced games. The PSX introduced true JRPG bloat that gave us things like the 100 hour Persona series. If they wanted to expand upon Chrono Trigger, they very well could. There's also at the very least 2 arcs, but if Square Enix wanted to pull a Remake and turn it into 3 games, it could just as easily be 3. You have the beginning up to Magus, you could have the Zeal arc be its own 40 hour game that could turn into 160 hours if you wanted to 100% it just like Rebirth, and then you could have the post-Zeal arc including Black Omen and Lavos be its own game.
What is the appeal of this game for Final Fantasy fans like myself?
>>541319397>post-Zeal arc including Black Omen and Lavos be its own game.what arcpost zeal theres nothing
>>541319668Have you even played Chrono Trigger? It's seeming a lot like you haven't. Post-Zeal you recruit Magus, they could expand this and give us more lore which there could easily be tons of. We could explore more of the post-Zeal 12,000 BC period, which is barely touched on at all in the original game. Black Omen could be turned into a Magus arc, because it is, and if you fight Queen Zeal with Magus he has unique lines and plays his own battle theme, and there are even 3 Black Omens and they could add more lore here and actually require you to beat them in the future->past order. They could make reviving Crono mandatory, and that could be its own whole thing. They could even end Part 2 with Crono's (much more impactful) death to Lavos just like Rebirth ends with Aerith's death. Like I said, you're missing the point, which at this point is clearly on purpose. If they can turn a 30-40 hour game into a 200+ hour experience sold separately in 3 installments across 10 years and 2 console generations, then they could just as easily turn a 20 hour game into at the very least a 120 hour experience sold separately in 3 installments across 10 years and 2 console generations, and if they did that to my favorite JRPG then I'd be fucking pissed, not happy.
>>541320339My attitude towards this would depend on the quality of changes made.
>>541320339Plenty of people like the Remakes.Sometimes maybe you are treating your favorite game like a bible.In that case, you will never like a remake in any form. Some thing will make you off and crawl back to the original.
>>541320339I know you want to believe this is what they did with ff7 but they didnt. FF7 has a bigger scale and the 3 arcs structure feels more natural.In your case it feels more like creating content to justify the 3 games structure. They didnt do that for FF7.
>>541320997If you see someone say the didn't like something about the remakes, do you automatically picture them as someone who sees the original as flawless and like the bible to them?
>>541320971If you can believe it, there are definitely people who would defend anything Square Enix did with this hypothetical 3-part Chrono Trigger Remake no matter what, just because they get to spend more time with the characters as well as getting more lore. They could even really expand on the Millennial Fair and turn it into a nice minigame theme park for all the people who need to have tons of minigames that they probably don't even play. >>541320997It's possible to Remake what was originally a single game without turning it into a bloated 3-game trilogy. There can be a middle ground, you know. A Remake does not necessarily need to be 3 separate games produced over the course of a decade across 2 different console generations. A Remake could just be one game, and then you could play it, enjoy it or not, and then move on with your life instead of being strung along for another [X] amount of years while you wait for the company to make the rest of the game that was only originally one game, but that they decided to split into 3 separate games due to corporate greed and quite honestly what is evidentially delusions of grandeur regarding the true public perception of Final Fantasy VII. >>541321194>I know you want to believe this is what they did with ff7 but they didnt.What I am describing is exactly what they did with VII Remake. >In your case it feels more like creating content to justify the 3 games structure.That is exactly what they did with VII Remake. I still can't believe the sheer audacity of actually having the gall to turn 1 game into 3 games. Has that ever been done before? Will that ever happen again in the future? Probably not.
>>541238608Will Cloud have sex with Tifa before the final battle again?
>>541321808>If you can believe it, there are definitely people who would defend anything Square Enix did with this hypothetical 3-part Chrono Trigger Remake no matter what, just because they get to spend more time with the characters as well as getting more lore. They could even really expand on the Millennial Fair and turn it into a nice minigame theme park for all the people who need to have tons of minigames that they probably don't even play.There's nothing terrible about that. Too much irrelevant talk about certain people or whatever. The fuck are you even talking about?
I would defend a legend of dragoon 3 part remake since the scale is pretty big and the story goes through multiple stuff. In fact it was pretty rushed so it is justified. Same as FF7.Chrono trigger isnt, really.
It seems that anon cannot possibly even entertain the idea of Square Enix turning one (1) single game into three (3) separate games sold over the course of 10 years and across 2 different console generations. The mere idea seems too farfetched for him to comprehend. Very curious. >Note: this logic conveniently does *not* apply to Final Fantasy VII or Final Fantasy VII Remake.
>>541322798>does *not* apply to Final Fantasy VIIOf course, because it fits.
>>541323009kek
>>541322491I would support the same decision regarding Xenogears, but I wouldn't support it regarding Parasite Eve or Vagrant Story. Some games simply don't qualify for trilogies or significant expansions in any way due to the substantive aspects of their stories alone.
>>541323370Stop making sense, Lightning-fag.It is completely fine to not like the ff7 trilogy from one game to a set of three games. No need to create objective reasons with a different context.
>>541321808>It's possible to Remake what was originally a single game without turning it into a bloated 3-game trilogyNot Final Fantasy VII, at the scale of what Remake is doing right now.Even Midgar and the open world clashes badly it would not be possible to be coherent in a single game.Why does being episodic make you hate anyway? Do you not have the money to spare? Does it diminish your attention? I never felt that way.Of course not having a new mainline title in 6 years is regrettable, but it's life you cannot expect to get everything at once.
If you had gone back in time and told me that Midgar could be its own game, I would have believed you, and I would have expected an expanded Midgar where you explore more of the Sectors as well as the upper plate. However, the "Midgar as its own game" that we did get was nothing like this. It was pretty much just the parts of Midgar that we see in the original, with some extra fluff added. The reason you pretend that you cannot imagine Square Enix greedily turning a a different Remake of one (1) game into three (3) separate games spread out over 10 years and across 2 different console generations is because you have never actually seen a Remake truly expand on the original. You have only seen a Remake add extra unnecessary fluff to pad out playtime hours and attempt to justify splitting it off into 3 games, not one that truly expands upon the content available in the original game. You lack imagination, and you haven't actually seen it done before, so even though I've outlined the ways in which a different game could be quite unfortunately turned from 1 game into 3 games, you still can't picture it, because Remake didn't actually add anything besides fluff. >>541323898>Not Final Fantasy VII, at the scale of what Remake is doing right now.>Even Midgar and the open world clashes badly it would not be possible to be coherent in a single game.Please read my above thoughts on this matter. If you had told me that the VII Remake would have Midgar as its own game, I would have expected to be able to explore all of Midgar. Instead, we just got the same stuff we already had with a suggestive joke massage parlor thrown in there. There was no actual expansion, just a few busy work sidequests that didn't exist in the original. >Why does being episodic make you hate anyway? ...what? You are fundamentally misunderstanding the issue with turning 1 game into 3 artificially bloated games if that's what you're getting from this.
FF6 > FF9 > FF7 > FF10 is the only correct answer.
>>541321468I say that when the criticism is trivial.I usually don't say that when it is about the important storybits.
>>541309641>We could've gotten a new major FF>XVI is so forgettable that no one even remembers it now
>>541324428>I would have expected to be able to explore all of MidgarWhy do you assume this is what the players wanted? It's only the first game. We are terrorists we shouldn't be walking around the whole city. The story in the original did not go that way either.Why does being episodic make you hate anyway?Meanwhile, did you not spend time in Remake exploring a pretty huge chunk of Midgar? Going to upper plate with Jessie and raiding Shinra storage? Did Remake Midgar feel as cramped as it was in the OG? How does the Shinra dungeons not impress you when it actually feels like a real corporate building compared to the OG?
Judging by some people's reaction to rebirth and the new stuff in midgar, maybe they shouldnt have made you walk around midgar, since people apparently dont like filler or open world games...? but they still ask for it? i dont get it
>>541324958>Why do you assume this is what the players wanted?Why do I assume that players wanted to see more of Midgar than we see in the original game if it was tasked with being its own standalone video game experience? Well... you see, it's because Midgar in the original game is maybe like 5 hours, so if you wanted to turn a 5 hour experience into a 40 hour experience to justify its existence as its own game, you'd kinda have to expand on it, right? But nope, no expansion, just Whispers which didn't exist in the original and some sidequest bloat. That's it. No more or Midgar than we see in the original 5 hour experience. >Why does being episodic make you hate anyway?I already answered this. It doesn't. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the issue I am trying to express, likely on purpose.
>>541325593Do you not happy with the padding we get in the Remake? We already got the 40 hr mark there.If you want to cruise through Midgar then the story would have to accommodate to the changes, leading to even more backlash from purists. You can't just expect to stroll on there without a purpose or mission.It will be revisited in part 3 anyway. Part of being episodic is that you don't have to show it all in the first try.
>>541323370>Some games simply don't qualify for trilogies or significant expansions in any way due to the substantive aspects of their stories alone.Case in point Final Fantasy XIII. A story that could barely fill it's first game.
>>541323898>Why does being episodic make you hate anyway?Can I just say that I hate the "Chapters" pacing that so many RPGs are doing now. To the point they need their own fucking title cards to tell the player "HEY YOURE IN CHAPTER 28 NOW DUMB ASS"Who asked for this? What started this? Why is this shit in every fucking SE game now?
>>541325848I'm just disappointed that one (1) game was turned into three (3) separate games to be released over the span of 10 years across 2 different console generations, and that they didn't even try to justify making each experience its own game. They literally turned a 5 hour section of the game into its own game and they didn't even truly add anything to it. It's still the same exact shit you do in OG Midgar, you don't get to see any of the rest of Midgar that you don't see in OG. Just a bunch of random Nomura bloat like Whispers and Roche. I do not truly feel as if Remake deserved to be its own game, nor do I truly feel as if Rebirth deserved to be its own game, considering the original game was one (1) game and was about 40 hours and the new games don't really add or expand upon anything, it's just the same shit but bloated and padded. Not actually anything extra to justify there needing to be additional games. Now, if they had actually expanded upon the original game by exploring different things and areas that were not in the original, such as Remake showing us all of Midgar, then I would probably have a different opinion and I might feel as if the Remake Trilogy is justified in its existence as 3 separate games. But nah, as it stands, they stretched a 5 hour experience into a 40 hour game, didn't even add anything to it, and then they did the same with Rebirth, and they'll probably do the same with Part 3.
>>541324440nah IX is trash only slightly better than VIII.
>>541325593>Well... you see, it's because Midgar in the original game is maybe like 5 hoursHalf of the OG's script takes place in Disc 1 Midgar Anon. Literally half the game is Midgar. Disc 3 only contains FMVs, audio, and Northern Crater data.
>>541327116Who said anything about discs? Midgar is about 5 hours of the OG VII. Do you disagree? If so, why would you lie like that?>Literally half the game is Midgar. Nope. You spend about 5 hours of a 30-40 hour game in Midgar. >Disc 3 only contains FMVs, audio, and Northern Crater data.Okay, so now whatever you're trying to spin is gonna backfire on itself. Let me introduce you to your paradox. You think half of the game is Midgar, but what they did with Remake is they stretched 5 hours of game into 40 hours of game without actually adding anything new, just a bunch of artificial padding like Roche and Whispers and Massages and Tifa doing monkey bars. That's just insane first off, but then we get to Rebirth and Rebirth is even more bloated, and according to you encompasses a smaller portion of the game than Remake did. I don't even know what you're doing talking about disc 3, I can only speculate. You might be trying to make the Remake games analogous to the discs, but that's not really accurate and would also accidentally assert that Part 3 is only going to be FMVs, audio, and Northern Crater data, but obviously that's not true.
>>541325848You should argue if changes would be better or worse and why by using your own opinion, not just by referring to an imaginary purist complaint that makes every change not worth doing by default. Having Genesis show up 10 minutes into Remake would have been bad, and I can say so without "because purists would complain"But if someone says "I'd have liked less bloat" you can't really invoke "well purists would complain anyway" as a convincing argument in the bloats favour.I personally would like unlockable costumes for replays. And I'd like access to hard mode from the beginning. You can't just tell me they don't count because>uh well if you got what you want purists would complainThe spectre of this purist strawman is being used repeatedly to essentially say "just don't say anything bad about anything we got because anything different would have been complained about"Who even cares about these mystical complainers? Why not just talk with your own opinions? If you think the changes others are mentioning are a bad idea, say so and explain why using your own thoughts.
>>541328085Sadly he's been like this for a long time >>540769086
>>541327887>Midgar is about 5 hours of the OG VII. Do you disagree?Yes I disagree and you are fucking retarded. Just because you decided to speed run through doesn't change the fact that literally HALF of the games story is told in Midgar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4H5ykBP0I&t=4213s
>>541328739>Yes I disagree and you are fucking retarded. Just because you decided to speed runlol>literally HALF of the games story is told in MidgarThen it's even weirder that there's TWO MORE ENTIRE GAMES afterwards which are even LONGER and more bloated than Remake.
>>541328085>>541328446It's very tiresome >I would have liked to have seen the lair under Tifa's bar>if you did someone would complain about itIs there a name for this tactic? He uses it for everything. So what if someone complained about it? I'm saying I'd like to see the lair. But he still has to shoot it down like "nah you wouldnt like it" or "nah someone else wouldnt like it" so I guess I shouldn't have said anything. It's a very transparent attempt to shut down anyone saying they'd have liked VIIR to be different in any way.
>>541328446>>541328085>>541329348here comes the namefagging retardfuck off
>>541329432I don't see any namefagging going on, anon.
>>541329674See >>541328446
>>541329432Sorry that people are starting to notice your one tactic. You don't hide it very well.
>>541329717Okay, I'm looking... and?
>>541329717Yup, I'm "see"ing, and there's no namefaggotry happening.
>>541329794???
>if I schizopost maybe they'll stop calling me outSorry anon but when you deflect with accusations of "purist" as often as you do someone eventually notices that you talk entirely about metaphorical hater purist opinions instead of your own.All we're asking you to do is to talk using your own opinions instead of dismissing everyone else's because of "the purists"
It's all so tiresome, man. Genuinely gives me a headache how can you all be so fucking retarded.
We are very accepting of people's opinions here, as long as they are opinions of any game except VIIR, in which case we don't like anyone's opinions and not even its biggest defender shares what he actually thinks.
am I bad or is FF tactics kinda fucking hard?
>>541330029It's insecurity. He's happy to tell anyone who thinks the remake games could be improved in any way that they're inherently wrong to even say so because, uh, people would complain anyway.Does he mean him? Of course not, he'd never complain. Nor would he ever give his own thoughts. Too risky.
>construct 8 has a high pitched cutesy female voice in the remastermy fucking sides, holy shit
>>541330776Can you PLEASE stop narcissistically obsessing over your wishes being present in the game?
>>541330406it is quite hard but also has many tools to break the game. the difficulty is up to you. there are many, many viable options.
>>541328739>Just because you decided to speed run through doesn't change the fact that literally HALF of the games story is told in Midgar.>"literally HALF">"HALF">click video>video says that "30% of Final Fantasy VII's mandatory story text happens in Midgar"You fucking retards literally NEVER accurately quote, read, or watch the articles and videos that you link. It's seriously, quite sincerely, absolutely batshit insane how literally every single time one of you idiots links a video or an article or whatever, what you're saying about it and what it actually says are two completely different things. How can it even be possible that this happens literally 100% of the time?
>>541331221I've never played it before till today and while I'm not dying every fight the main story fights consistently have been giving me trouble and I have to go back and grind some exp every time. It happens pretty frequently
The idea of a Dead Space-style remake of VII—a so-called 1:1 remake—goes against everything VII teaches as a story. If such a game existed, its existence would conflict with the core messages of VII.
>>541331668Bottom line: you think VIIR could be improved in any way, so you're wrong.
>>541331880Yeah, if you're not on-level, the story fights are very difficult, and many of the early fights have level and gear bumps. You'll have an easier time if you focus on leveling 2 males with physical jobs and 2 females with magic jobs, all of which with neutral or better zodiac with each other and starting brave/faith around 70, and then get everyone auto-potion. You don't really need more than the second tier of jobs for the whole game.
>>541324868Don't fucking miscontrue my post for your general war bullshit. I loved FFXVI, even more than VII Remake or Rebirth.
and in case it wasn't obvious, auto-potion uses the weakest potion in your inventory, with x-potions if only falls off in endgame
>>541331124look at this shit >>>/wsg/5987809
It's like you guys are asking for my "FFVII remake rewrite" postshere we go!In these posts, im gonna rewrite some of FFVII remake, keeping most of it but changing some intents in some scenes and general presentation. Im doing this as an excercise to improve my writing and for autistic purposes since i always wanted to be a game dev/producer or some shit but im stuck as an engineer earning 6 figures doing excel sheets.>Chapter 1Rewrite the scene of the bombing. In the vanilla version, the bomb doesnt do shit and Shinra willingly destroys its own reactor. In my version of that scene, Avalanche successfully manages to disable the reactor, but it doesnt trigger a big explosion. We see a scene of president shinra and Heidegger discussing this. President Shinra asks about the protection against bombs, heidegger says it didnt work and the president is pissed. He instructs Heidegger to destroy the reactor completely then and walks away, implying: It's a pain in the ass to fix the reactor or even unfixable and the president doesnt want avalanche to win without any casualities, so they willingly escalate things so the public reception of avalanche is destroyed. Just a fix in presentation to get the idea better.>Chapter 2:Rewrite the first sephiroth meeting. In my version of the cutscene, Cloud takes less time to walk to sephiroth, and they no longer have a conversation. Instead, Sephiroth just walks away, and we get one scene of Sephiroth looking back at Cloud, with a serious/expressionless look (basically pic related, which the scene of Anakin Skywalker looking at the camera in revenge of the sith). Cutscene ends, sephiroth banishes and Cloud is like "wtf was that". All of this, triggered by the fire, are memories from nibelheim that we see when the sequence starts. Remove Sephiroth appearance when you meet Aerith, completely. Im not quite sure what to do with the whispers, specially since i dont know whats part 3 gonna do, but i dont want to "just remove them bro".
>>541332086>The idea of a Dead Space-style remake of VII—a so-called 1:1 remake—goes against everything VII teaches as a story.ChatGPT? Why are you making posts with AI? Anyway, no one was talking about a 1:1 Remake except for the VIIR defender, and he was creating this person and this narrative out of thin air as a means to neglect engaging with what was actually being said by people. In actuality, the person he is upset at wanted more changes, and he himself was advocating against being able to see more of Midgar because >>541324958>"The story in the original did not go that way either."and yet this person is also the guy bringing up the mythical purist who would be upset no matter what to attempt to diffuse the situation of dealing with people's opinions. (see: >>541320997)He seems to be creating fake arguments that no one is saying and then arguing against those fake arguments that he himself made while refusing to engage with the actual opinions stated in the posts he replies to.
>>541332727>Chapter 3Change Sephiroth expression from happy to serious when he attacks cloud through Marko (i keep these scenes where Sephiroth doesnt talk because its perfectly fine for Cloud to have these personal visions. It is PTSD after all, one-sided). Remove the sidequest of cat finding.>Chapter 4The same. I dont think it needs changing. Probably just tone roche down a little, but keep it light hearted and crazy. >Chapter 5 and 6Mix them into one (for those who dont know, chapter 5 and 6 are the train / underplate section, and it goes too long). However, dont make it like the original where they get off the train and immediately find the entrance to reactor 5. There has to be some plotting around the party having a plan to find the entrance, following stamps graffitis.>Chapter 7The same>Chapter 8Remove the whispers at the beginning "saving Cloud" from the fall. He just falls and has the vision of his true self with sephiroth intervening. Reduce the time you spend walking to Sector 5 with aerith, probably just remove some small detours the game does. The general idea of having Cloud bond with Aerith is core and should be kept. Remove the sidequest where you have to find the kids but keep the part where you have to beat the hedgehog pie king.>Chapter 9Reduce the robot minigame amount from 3 to 2, and make both a little trickier to do. Hard mode no longer forces you to do them.Change wall market music to the opressed people (remake version, the one you hear when you meet the bandit group. It is perfect), but keep the honey bee inn music when you get near it. Add male strippers to the honey bee inn, make it degenerate and gay, yes, i am serious, that should be the whole point. Remove the scene when you get to Corneo's mansion and they sleep you with sleep powder, instead you just walk where Tifa is. >Chapter 10Reduce the amount of time you spend in the sewers, just make it a little smaller.
>>541329334Cool deflection.>Then it's even weirder that there's TWO MORE ENTIRE GAMES afterwardsIt's weird that SE decided to flesh out a barren story?I'm sorry you didn't get your 1 for 1 rebuild of the OG but Square was never interested in that idea ever. You should have realized that as soon as they announced AC and BC back in 2003
>>541332865>Chapter 11Reduce the amount of time you spend in the train graveyard, just make it a little smaller.>Chapter 12Delete the whispers completely except when you are about to get to the pillar, theres a scene where Aerith is trying to connect with the planet and the whispers appear to block you. I like that because it gives you the idea that Aerith knows exactly what they are and that they are connected to the planet, they are not just random ghosts, its subtle and it gives the idea that aerith is begging the planet to let them save sector 7 and not just go through the motions. Delete the scene with Aerith helping betty back. Remove the music playing when the plate is falling. Add a scene of the upper plate perception of the plate fall for impact purposes, my suggestion would be Jessie dad and mom having one last touching moment before they feel an earthquake and bam, it goes to black.>Chapter 13Add smoke and more debris when you visit sector 7 destroyed. Add NPCs crying for their missing loved ones and kids NPC crying like "wheres my dad, wheres my mom", implying a lot of people died but not necessarily everyone, its natural that some had the time to escape. Keep the scene of Sephiroth haunting Cloud since it is my favorite, but change his dialogue slightly. Make it more "personal" to Cloud, not like exposition to the player. In the Vanilla dialogue hes making a point on Cloud strong desire to be strong and a hero, but fails to do so, showing seph desire to break him. In my version, he would say something more general like "You failed. What kind of hero are you? You are pathetic" as he walks towards Cloud with a serious look. More like his own mind is fusing two of his greater fears/PTSD.>Chapter 14Leslie stuff is now a sidequest. You just get the hookshot and can finish the chapter immediately if you want to. Make all the sidequests accesible and not linked to each other, letting the player choose what to do.
>>541333009>Chapter 15Change nothing, it is my favorite chapter.>Chapter 16Add a couple of optional places you visit and engage in some small minigames. Make it more apparent that the only reason Hojo remembers Cloud as a non-soldier is because of Sephiroth showing up. Keep the scene of palmer seeing sephiroth, but make it clear that it is a clone. Remove sephiroth vision in the VR, it doesnt play a role. Red XIII is calmed, not given memories, and he knows the whispers because they play a role in the planet future and since hes from cosmo canyon, he knows something.>Chapter 17Hojo no longer puts you to a test, instead you explore his lab and fight monsters that got freed. By who, you ask? Jenova. In the vanilla version, at the beginning of the chapter you get told by the mayor that in order for you to escape you have to run to the top of the building for a chopper. In my version, the mayor instead tells you that avalanche is attacking but you should just escape, but that he just recieved news that something happened in the floor you are in and that you should be careful. Something attacked the personnel, there are bodies everywhere and apparently the tracks go up, the mayor doesnt know because the cameras arent working. Cloud think this is sephiroth/jenova and they decide to check it out. Thats when you go through Hojo's lab finding all kind of monsters, eating scientists corpses and stuff, you follow basically the path of destruction until you get to Jenova's tube and you get the confirmation. That implies the removal of the scene where you find Sephiroth next to the jenova capsule and block Cloud attack at the beginning of the chapter. You get topside and things happen the overall the same, but delete Barret stabbing scene. Instead just have him support in the fight versus Jenova.
>>541331668Yes Anon, Midgar is half the story and 30% of the script. These are not mutually exclusive concepts. Maybe once you get into high school you'll learn the difference.Now please explain how Midgar being 30% of the script doesn't justify Remake being 33% of the 3 part series.
>>541333215>Chapter 18Remove the whispers saving you from the falling chopper when you are escaping. Now, Motorball is a proper boss. You fight him in the bike, and you think you won, but then you get to the end of the highway, motorball appears, send the vehicles away and fights you properly. Now, instead of finding sephiroth waiting for you, you find him carrying jenova, floating, you basically catch up with him. For the first time in the game, he smiles back and aknowledges Cloud/Party and specially Aerith, triggering the whispers and everything happens. Removed Zack entirely from the ending. Only the harbinger is the final boss, not sephiroth. Sephiroth and Cloud fight at the end of the Edge of the creation is playable, but it is a fight you lose. He parries everything Cloud does and you cannot do anything to him. Sephiroth basically plays with you juggling you, laughing until Cloud is 1 hp, thats when you get a new limit (multislash or something similar to omnislash but not THE omnislash) which triggers the cutscene where he blocks it and sends your sword away, and thats when the fight stops and we get the "lets us fight Destiny together" scene and stuff. MAYBE make the battle winnable in hard mode, for gameplay purposes.The last scene is the same except this is done at the end of highway rather than in Midgar area.I dont know what to do with Zack, i dont know if it should be introduced in rebirth or at the end here, but i like the idea of him and his depressing "alternate world" in rebirth so i dont know.
>>541332751This is a very long post with a lot of insults. And all of this is in response to a thought I simply wanted to share with the world.My Goddess Claire, is this my punishment for doing something wrong, for not loving you enough!!!?1
>>541332943see >>541331668>I'm sorry you didn't get your 1 for 1 rebuild of the OG The only person saying anything about a 1:1 Remake is the very dedicated VIIR defender who uses it as a strawman which he uses to dismantle all criticisms. I didn't say anything about a 1:1 Remake, and in fact I'm apparently wanting change when I say that Remake should have been *all* of Midgar if they wanted to justify it existing as its own game, but the same guy bringing up 1:1 purists also said himself that we can't have all of Midgar in Remake because (>>541324958)>"The story in the original did not go that way either."so his narrative that he is creating where he creates enemies out of nowhere, manufactures arguments for these fake enemies to have, and then argues against the person and argument of his own creation, while replying to someone who is saying something largely unrelated, is just very strange. Anyway, what I actually wanted was a totally bananas "Evangelion Rebuild" of VII. That's what I truly wanted the Remake Trilogy to be. That's not what it is though. So if it's not going to be totally bananas crazy, and it's not going to be a 1:1 Remake either, then it at least should add *something* to the game, like perhaps the "Midgar" game could feature all of Midgar, but nope, that's not what happened, and because that isn't what happened, the VIIR defender is making up arguments and arguing against them while thinking that he's arguing with me. Of course, the irony is that if we had actually gotten all of Midgar in Remake, he'd be defending that too, because all he does is defend what we got, and he thinks that expressing an opinion that is wanting more than what we got is verboten.
Chrono Trigger is the best Final Fantasy game.
>>541333410>This is a very long post with a lot of insults.Is it an "insult" to merely describe what has transpired?
>>541333884To continue this line of thought, a remake of X shouldn't exist, because sometimes you have to accept that something is gone, gone forever, and won't return. This is the message I believe X taught first and foremost, so the existence of any remake of X would contradict this fundamental lesson of embracing finiteness in all its possible forms.Vanillereality frfr no cap.
>>541334316...okay?
Glenn has some Bardock looking ass vibes
>>541334407For now, that's all I wanted to say. Stay tuned for my future Final Fantasy TED Talks, anon.
I bet Gith fuck dragons.
So what do you guys think about Maxdood idea of start part 3 with a condensed look at young sephiroth and first soldier events to expand sephiroth intentions and why he wants to create the promise land
>>541335372It wasn't in the original, and the story didn't go that way, so asking for it would be retarded, but at the same time if that's what Kitase, Nomura, Toriyama, and Hamaguchi decide to put in the game, well they know better than you do.
>>541335372Sounds retarded. Sephiroth's whole image was over how little the player and the main cast knows about him beyond his news paper headlines and direct experiences. The story intentionally plays up the idea of who is in control Sephiroth or Jenova.SE will probably do it.
>>541333651>I like Remake but I'd have liked to have seen the AVALANCHE hideout under Tifa's bar>oh I'm sorry SE didn't do a 1:1 remaster of the original like you wantedHe really does have very limited tactics, doesn't he?
>>541336603>It wasn't in the originalthats irrelevant>Sephiroth's whole image was over how little the player and the main cast knows about him beyond his news paper headlines and direct experiences. The story intentionally plays up the idea of who is in control Sephiroth or Jenova.That ship set sail long ago. Sephiroth is no longer a jaws-like creature with no real motivation. He's a character with a past, present and a future.As for the who's in control, thats wasnt really a plot point in the original. It was always established like Sephiroth is the big bad and jenova was no more than a tool that gets a pity boss fight at the end.
>>541336818>thats irrelevantFalse. See: >>541324958>"The story in the original did not go that way either."How the original story went is VERY important to it's most prominent defender. >>541336818meant for >>541336610>That ship set sail long ago. Sephiroth is no longer a jaws-like creature with no real motivation. He's a character with a past, present and a future.>As for the who's in control, thats wasnt really a plot point in the original. It was always established like Sephiroth is the big bad and jenova was no more than a tool that gets a pity boss fight at the end.As for my opinion on it, see pic related.
>>541337149Bottom line: you think VIIR could be improved in any way, so you're wrong.
>>541337401Well, if I had one nitpick, and it's a minor one, it's that the lighting in UE4 is not as good as it could be. I think we can all agree on this one. That's the only thing I'd change, personally.
>>541337543If they changed it someone would complain so maybe you should just keep your narcissistic wishes to yourself.
>>541336708Maybe the playbook's lore needs to be expanded upon.
>>541337149>sebbyweebz garbageno thanks
>>541337915I don't think he cares. What matters is that dissenters learn to keep their mouths shut. He knows his "arguments" are disingenuous and worthless, but if they make people who think VIIR could be bettered not voice their thoughts, that's a win.
Another day of whining about nothing here instead of playing Tactics
>>541339394Point to where I said VIIR could not be made better.I will wait.
>>541341582You would never be caught dead expressing an opinion like that anon. Or any other opinion. But if anyone else suggested VIIR could be improved in some way you'd be there to make sure they regret it.Or maybe you'd care to list a few ways in which you think VIIR could be improved? Using only your opinions, that is, and not mentioning haters or purists or 1:1 remasters. I'd sure look a fool if you did that. But I won't hold my breath.
>>541332442>I loved FFXVI>but couldn't remember it was a major FF that came out during 7r trilogy's lifespansad but true
You know, for most people, listing a few things VIIR could have improved isn't a big challenge.
>>541342685>You would never be caught dead expressing an opinion like that anon.You're right. because I don't believe that. This is me >>541326714 and to expound on it the chapter cuts harm the pacing in both games forcing every chapter to do a slow build to its own climax. They aren't even consistent in their use. Some being an excuse to quick travel others just separating a path from the village.>But if anyone else suggested VIIR could be improved in some way you'd be there to make sure they regret it.I really don't care one way or the other but when people want to wine about nonsense like "Midgar is only 5 hours why does it have its own game" im going to call them retarded.Midgar is not 5 hours. Midgar is half of the game. 30% of the script. A 3-part release focusing on just Midgar makes sense. Cutting disc 2 in half to give it more breath and development makes sense. The three part release structure is not a problem for VIIR. It's a benefit.>Or maybe you'd care to list a few ways in which you think VIIR could be improved?I think more time should be spent on characters that already existed in the OG rather than inventing new ones or adding Compilation plots into the main story.I think turning every small plot beat into it's own mini story obscures the main narrative.I think both materia systems are dogshit compared to the OG and SE should embrace the overpowered nonsense that the OGs system could create instead of trying to reduce it down to a basic magic structure like KH.I think the Whispers either needed to be removed or actually explained in greater detail.I think half the lore discourse being a debate over "Multiple worlds" or "life stream bs" is a negative to the story and just Nips trying to copy JJ Abrams mystery box shit.On that same topic I think the "Sequel or a remake" debate is also equally retarded and should have been answered up front. Again mystery for the sake a mystery that is overshadowing the story and characters.
>>541345294>I really don't care one way or the other but when people want to wineYou didn't get far without complaining about those whiners. You spend a few hours a day "not caring" about what anyone else has to say about remake, but only if it's a criticism
>>541345830Since you appear to need a hand let me help you.I don't care whether or not VIIR can be improved on. The game exists as it was released and fighting over what's been done is pointless.I do care when retards like yourself want to pollute any discourse with retarded shit like "Midgar is only 5 hours why get a game". This is just factually wrong and only someone who has no idea what the fuck they are talking about would make this claim. Now would you like to talk about any of the other points I made or is your concern of critics just masking your projection?
>>541346223You dont care what anyone thinks you just sit here all day every day waiting for a VIIR criticism and when you see one you dont care but you make sure to take action. Only a narcissistic retard wants to pollute discourse by saying what they'd like the game to have done differently.
>>541345294>I think more time should be spent on characters that already existed in the OG rather than inventing new ones or adding Compilation plots into the main story.>I think turning every small plot beat into it's own mini story obscures the main narrative.>I think both materia systems are dogshit compared to the OG and SE should embrace the overpowered nonsense that the OGs system could create instead of trying to reduce it down to a basic magic structure like KH.>I think the Whispers either needed to be removed or actually explained in greater detail.>I think half the lore discourse being a debate over "Multiple worlds" or "life stream bs" is a negative to the story and just Nips trying to copy JJ Abrams mystery box shit.The game exists as it was released so saying all this is retarded
>>541347436Based! Now the discourse has been improved. Not that I care...
>>541347436>The game exists as it was released so saying all this is retardedTrue! But you asked for my thoughts so I provided. If you don't want to talk about those points that's fine but weird to ask for something and do nothing with it. Almost as if you weren't really asking in good faith. Almost as if you don't actually want to talk about VIIR.>>541347334Literally the first time I've bothered to talk about VIIR for more than an hour. I'm not your bogyman Anon. Just a random Anon that's killing time.>>541347854Unfortunately your existence makes that impossible. Sell your phoneix downs and cast fire on yourself and maybe that can change.
>>541348615What do you usually come here to talk about?
>>541349567I'm normally just here to laugh at the people posting about Yoshida and report the Lightning faggot for his image spam.
>>541341365sadly true
>>541345294>other but when people want to wine about nonsense like "Midgar is only 5 hours why does it have its own game" im going to call them retarded.Well, Midgar is only 5 hours, and it has its own game, and stating my opinion is not "wine"ing. I just don't think VII Remake is justified in being 3 separate games. An example I provided is that Midgar is about a 5 hour experience in OG, but they turned it into its own game without adding anything except for artificial bloat. You don't really see anything that you didn't already see in the OG 5 hour section of the game. Now, if they had made the "Midgar" game (Remake) a full exploration of more Sectors and/or the upper plate, that would absolutely have warranted turning a 5 hour experience into a 40 hour product, because more things would have been added. However, the actual product did not add more things, it just made those 5 hours take 40 hours in an attempt to justify artificially inflating a 30-40 hour, single PSX game into a 3 artificially bloated $70 individual games, none of which actually warrant being their own game separate from the others. And all this stemmed from me saying that I really wish VII Remake had been one game instead of 3. It didn't need to be 3 games. I'm glad VII is not my favorite Final Fantasy game, because I'd be fucking pissed if they bloated my favorite game into 3 separate games which don't actually add anything new and moreover actually get things completely wrong, not even from a stylistic choice but due to a misunderstanding of the plot of the original game.
>>541214046Those are all ATB themed. Only IV changed things up when it introduced them and VI for the experience system which every game from then on took inspiration from.
Haven't been on /v/ and /vg/ in a few years. Is barry still shitting up these threads or do we have a new resident autist?
>>541360835yes he's still herewe have even more retards obsessed with FF games now.
XV-chad is /ourguy/.
>>541360835He shows up less often and spends less time here when he does. Just a drive by shitposting. Other than that, no, this place gets about one post an hour. Less than that maybe. Nobody cares enough.
>>541360923>>541361089>he's still hereGood to know, guess I'll try in a couple of years again. I won't hold my breath though, haven't been able to talk FF on here since 2014 thanks to him.
Hajime Tabata should direct FFXVII.
>>541346223>I don't care whether or not VIIR can be improved on. The game exists as it was released and fighting over what's been done is pointless.Do you think this applies to all Final Fantasy games, or only VIIR? I'm making a note of this post so that I can reference it in the future. It will be very handy to be able to point to your post and say >"stop talking about what you did or didn't like about [game], it is already released and there's no point fighting about it, the VIIR defender made it so">The three part release structure is not a problem for VIIR. It's a benefit.To the company, solely for monetary purposes, yes, but it isn't going as well as they'd hoped it would. Their break in case of emergency golden goose isn't getting the numbers they were banking on. Maybe it will all turn around in Part 3 though, if they launch all 3 games which were needlessly splintered as a single ~$80 bundle that normal people can buy, but which normal people would still have a hell of a time getting through, since it's got to be like 200 hour or something ridiculous when it's all said and done. >I think turning every small plot beat into it's own mini story obscures the main narrative.Hmm... if they didn't do this, then there wouldn't be enough "content" to warrant turning 1 game into 3 games... but you're saying it warrants being 3 games... so I'm getting mixed messages here.
>>541361190He's not stopping anyone talking about FF. You could talk about it now if you wanted to, but you don't. See you in a couple of years when you show up to post about Barry instead of FF and then leave again.
>>541360835Barry still comes around every so often, but he's either mellowed out or got a job or some other such responsibility or spends all of his time on /v/ or somewhere else like Twitter rather than in this thread. >or do we have a new resident autist?We do have a "new" autist, and he even larped as Barry for a few hours a few weeks ago. He did this to prove it's his enemies who are the shitposters, not him. No one is allowed to talk about anything related to VIIR unless it's unabashed praise. Actually, even praising VIIR too much makes him think that you're his bogeyman and false flagging, but if you say something neutral or negative you're his other bogeyman. If news about VIIR gets released, such as Nomura saying that Sephiroth's sword has an organic quality to it, you're not allowed to talk about that or the implications it might have or the evidence supporting it found in the Ever Crisis gacha game, or else you're just an Aerithfag schizo (his other other bogeyman that he made up)
>>541361782You sound like a schizo, honestly.
>>541361190>haven't been able to talk FF on here since 2014 thanks to him.It's worse if you can believe it, because there are even more FF games that you can't talk about now. Can't talk about XV, can't talk about VIIR, and can't talk about *anything* that come out of CS3 due to its ties, real or otherwise, to Yoshida. XIII and its sequels may also be on this list now. I legitimately think that you're gonna have to try back again in ~20 years if you want to have even the glimmer of hope that things have changed.
The smart and talented Naoki (Hamaguchi) should direct FFXVII.
>>541361782You struck a nerve. The Apache instantly tried to insult you and sidestep responsabilities.
>>541362440Accurately describing modern /ffg/ would make it seem that way to the unversed. It is an unfortunate state of affairs.
>>541362440Sadly all you have to do is describe the current goings on at /ffg/ accurately to sound insane.It's not actually that bad though, as you can see the threads move so slowly that these things don't happen in an hour, they happen over the course of a week.Recently we had someone angry for over 3 days because someone said it would be cool to explore more of the upper plate of Midgar in Remake.The schizo twist? The guy who was mad even agreed it would be cool, but still felt obligated to mald for days on the grounds that talking about what changes could improve VIIR is inherently wrong.
>>541362668>>541363316Would be shocking if true and could be proven.
>>541359648>Well, Midgar is only 5 hours,Midgar consists of 1 entire disc. 33% of the total game. 45.5% of the game if you actually know what's on each disc. 30% of the games script is from Midgar. Midgar is the bulk of the games narrative. It is only 5 hours with cheats. >I just don't think VII Remake is justified in being 3 separate games.Do you think the Mass Effect trilogy is justified in being 3 separate games? What exactly is your calculus here? Sincerely asking.>>541361336>Do you think this applies to all Final Fantasy gamesI think it applies to literally every game ever made. Once a game is out there's little point in arguing over what it could or could not have done better. No one is going to go back and fix it. Square can't even bother to update translations.>solely for monetary purposesNo. FFVII is already a three act story. Midgar, Temple, Crater. A game dedicated to each of these acts allows 20-40 hours to actually explore each act and breath a bit more in. Remake took advantage of this with the Avalanche cast and life in the slums. The Whispers shit however I think is a mistake. In the OG everything after Temple is where the story loses its pacing. It falls back to a collect the dragon balls story arc and retreads the entire world over for Act 3. Even the second Act is sped through chasing after Sephiroth. Rebirth gives some life to every POI visited in the OG. Giving Act 2 it's own game is a positive even if I think it spends too much time on the relationships just to drive the knife deeper. I have high hopes for Part 3 Act 3 because that has always been VII's weakest area. Giving it an entire game should be an over all positive for the story.>I'm getting mixed messages here.There is a way to tell side stories that does not detour the game away from the main plot. Rebirth failed at this imo
>>541363445Would be nice. I'm still waiting for proof "jimbo" is in these threads and saying anything bad about 7R. But the best we've got is some schizo posting 5 year old posts from other websites without even feeling confident enough in their own evidence to say the same person who wrote them is actually an /ffg/ regular.
>>541363445>Would be shocking if true and could be proven.Well, just take my image, for example: >>541361782The story behind this is that the Nomura quote pictured... is a Nomura quote. That is a word-for-word Nomura quote. He said that in an interview. When it was posted here, the VIIR defender (singular) said (or almost said?) that it was a joke and not to be taken serious, but I recall a lot of hesitancy in saying something like this. Anyway, I thought it was interesting, so I dug deeper into what it could mean, and someone had made a YouTube video going over the current episodes of Ever Crisis and how they are trying to paint parallels between the forging of the Masamune and Sephiroth burning everything down in Nibelheim. Extrapolating on this, it seems that Jenova is tied to these events, including the forging of Masamune, and that Jenova may be sort of "possessing" the Masamune, and moreover that Angeal's Buster Sword may have properties which help safeguard its user from the influences of Jenova. This, of course, is directly related to VIIR, not only because of Sephiroth and the Masamune and what it might mean with regards to him and Jenova, but also because Cloud is now wielding the Buster Sword, he's suffering Jenovan influence, and we see him place the Black Materia into the Buster Sword at the end of Rebirth. Does this mean the Buster Sword is now corrupted? Can the Buster Sword protect Cloud from Jenova's influence, even through the Black Materia? Etc, etc. Well, the VIIR defender (singular) did *not* like that I was trying to talk about what this piece of information might actually mean. I posted the video and he threw a tantrum calling me a shill and to stop posting my YouTube channel. Anyway, he apparently watched the video eventually, after crashing out about the whole thing, and then he called me his bogeyman "Aerithfag" for using a word-for-word direct quote from Nomura, instead of "possessed", which is what he wanted to call it.
>>541364145>>541364158back to back schizos deflecting blame and not giving proof.just another day in /ffg/
>>541364145If I saw one shred of evidence of him saying something bad about VIIR on /ffg/ I'd be amazed
>>541364218I can tell that you didn't even read my post, yet you are still upset about it for some reason.
>>541364218>not giving proof.That's how we roll here>>541364225I wouldn't hold your breath/ffg/ is the home of the accusation without evidence
>>541364225if it existed it would have been posted already, but it never is
>>541364218>>541364308 (exactly 60 second apart)You can stop samefagging, 4chan pass user. I already posted proof, but if you want to follow along: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/524367252/#q524543956>Fire Nomura https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/524367252/#q524552705>it was just a joke you retards, he says that the masamune length has always been inconsistent https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/524560559/#q524794039https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/524560559/#q524849185https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQXGwoc3l2I>It seems that the shitposters here who were dismissing Sephiroth's Masamune being organic as a "joke" are going to get btfo... they are so media illiterate. https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/531079710/#q531337357>By triggered you mean nobody took you seriously for confusing possessed and organic? You know what an organic sword is like? Like Soul Calibur. Keep in mind, "The Masamune's blade has an organic quality to it" is a word-for-word quote directly from Nomura. He got so lost in the sauce of defending VIIR from all criticism that he attacked Nomura thinking that Nomura's words were those of his bogeyman's.
Final Fantasy is now less popular than Digimon. Thoughts?
>>541366713Another turn based W, I'm afraid.
>>541366830meanwhile in reality turn troon games like metaphor keep flopping. Rebirth mogs the living fuck out of it
>>541367674
>The situation is so dire we now have to hide behind Granblue Fantasy out of all franchises
>>541367674>Granblue Fantasy: RelinkHey, I remember this. The quote here was an /ffg/ shitposter talking about Granblue, but he didn't realize it also applies to Nomura and VIIR, and also Kingdom Hearts
>>541368471>he didn't realize it also applies to Nomura and VIIR, and also Kingdom HeartsAnd Motomu Toriyama as well, going by the image.
>>541366713day 1 PC launch sure does help for other series I'm sure.
>>541369080The important thing to remember is that sometimes CCU is the most important thing in the world, but other times it doesn't matter at all.
>>541369279that's not what I said but you do you famalam
>>541369508Do you disagree with what I said?
>>541373454CCU isn't as important as overall sales of a single player game.They are good indicator of current success for a live service game though.Your claim is misleading because it generalizes all games as being the same and then wants to throw out the importance, probably because you lost an argument in the past. So you're still butthurt about it.
>>541374745>So you're still butthurt about it.You're the one who sounds butthurt, anon. Perhaps you lost an argument in the past. I think we can all agree that sometimes CCU are the most important thing in the world, and other times CCU doesn't matter at all. In fact, your post explains this very concept. Thank you for agreeing with me.
>>541374884>You're the one who sounds butthurt, anon. Perhaps you lost an argument in the past.lil bro really threw out the No U as his opening rebuttal.
>>541374969I can't understand why you're so upset when you agree with me. You even explained why you agree with me in the Superman post you avatarfagged with.
>>541375165>when you agree with meOne indicator does not equal the most important thing for live service games. You keep making conclusions that you're right and everyone agrees with you.>Superman post you avatarfagged with.lil bro thinks reaction images = avatarposting.such strange behavior.
Ivalice Chronicles is the perfect remaster
>>541375372>You keep making conclusions that you're right and everyone agrees with you.What? I said that sometimes CCU are the most important thing in the world, and sometimes CCU doesn't matter at all. You then became incredibly upset and used many more words to also say that sometimes CCU matters and sometimes it does not. You agree with me, yet you're visibly upset. I can't understand why that would be.
>>541375967>I said that sometimes CCU are the most important thing in the world,>that sometimes CCU mattersweird how these two statements aren't the same thing.
>>541376108Okay, well I'm gonna stop replying to you and let you continue melting down despite agreeing with me. Very odd and weirdly aggressive behavior.
>>541376349>such strange behavior.>Very odd and weirdly aggressive behavior.>No u'd againlol please by all means don't even post here again.
>>541361336>Their break in case of emergencyActually I have a question.What emergency do you believe inspired SE to make FFVIIR a three game series?Keep in mind that VIIR was confirmed to be a three part game in December 2015...FFXVI was entering early developmentFFXV was set to launch the next year (its Sep 2016 date announced three months later in march 2016)FFXIV ARR had already performed a massive turn around and its first expansion Heavenward had released to high praise and growing the subscriber base.Hell SE's finances were the best they had been in yearshttps://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/pdf/ar_2015en.pdfSo what was the emergency? That KH3 was announced two years prior and they had nothing on it?
>>541377145>So what was the emergencyThere's never been any basis behind it.It stems from a Yoichi Wada statement were he basically said that if they were to make a VII remake, they would first need to make a game greater than VII. Behind the scenes though, they had already been trying to make VII remake a thing since the late 2000's after crisis core.
There are no more break in case of emergency buttons left to push. Part 3 needs to knock it out of the park.
>>541369080Didn't help FFT I'm afraid.
>>541381379The unsurprising reality is that no one outside of matsuno fans cares about ivalice content.
Horrible thread
>>541381379tactics ogre reborn did better
>>541328085>You should argue if changes would be better or worse and why by using your own opinionAre you newfagging? You might sound disingenuous here.I'm no purist. I'm more in the "trust the directors" camp even though I disagree with some of their decision to make.But this is REMAKE. The default assumption is to follow the original, then justify whether a change is needed or not.
>>541382926?
>>541381687FFT is one of the most popular SRPGs ever, maybe the best selling SRPG after nu-FE. There's just no reason to buy it since it's a dogshit demake.
The FFT remaster has made me remember how much I hate praise and preach having 50% accuracy
>>541375374It's good and has good voice acting and QoL features, but as usual Square Enix is being jewish in it:>No WoTL jobs>No Luso and Balthier>Probably no Agrias birthday event>Locking cutscenes behind a menu???It's the same problem with PR not including bonus dungeons.
I think ramza should be in smash
>>541381379>>541385608These are prime examples of times when Steam CCU is the most important thing in the world. Other times, Steam CCU doesn't matter at all.
>>541383942>Are you newfagging? You might sound disingenuous here.The other person in that argument is saying that no one is allowed to desire that Remake be any different than what we got. It's a pretty frustrating opinion, and he is *very* opinionated about it. >The default assumption is to follow the original, then justify whether a change is needed or not.This is another frustrating aspect of his opinion. He brings up so called 1:1 purists and says that nothing can be any different because those people would be angry. We couldn't have had more of Midgar because it would upset 1:1 purists, he says. He doesn't say that's *his* opinion, instead he is arguing on behalf of people who might exist, but who are not present in this conversation. There's also the fact that, in my opinion, the changes made to Remake, such as Whispers, are not at all justified. I think most of the changes that were made were straight up bad and were not at all justified, such as Whispers and turning 1 game into 3 separate games, but we can't talk about that because the anon desperately trying to control the conversation says that if anything was different than what we got, 1:1 purists would be angry, when what we got already probably makes 1:1 purists upset, and no one in the conversation is even a 1:1 purist, so there's no reason to be making this argument in the first place. It's just a complete load of nonsense.
Why is this general so Final Fantasy-hating?You can criticize things while not being cynical and doomer for future releases.
>>541389885as with every general on every board on this website with the same problem, it's a combination of shit jannies and anons who love to bite bait.
>>541308832She has cornrows...
>>541389885Certain posters here seem to have a sort of cult-like religious fanaticism for their chosen game(s), and they defend this thread from all conversation that could possibly result in something negative or negative-adjacent being said about this game, while they actively attack the game(s) which they believe the people who accidentally upset them with their opinions might like. This issue seems to compound itself over the years and creates a sort of negative feedback loop where the cult-like religious fanaticism grows stronger and stronger to the point that they constantly imagine opinions that their sworn enemies could hypothetically have, and then they make those arguments on behalf of their imagined enemies, and they also argue against the imagined argument which they themselves created. Sometimes, it even gets to the point where they might see and read a post which they agree with, but they violently lash out at this post anyway not because of its content (which they agree with) but because they imagine that it came from someone who at some point in time held an opinion which made them upset, and this event might have even occurred on a different website than 4chan. I've never seen a /vg/ general thread as bad as this one, and it's only 1-3 posters who cause it to be this way.
ff4 is the best
Why do we keep losing FF bros?
>>541393203The quintessential FFV and Tactics are the best!
I don't know if it's just the starting city and Unity that I chose, but it seems every "allied" NPC in XI acts very tsundere for me.
>>541381379fucking trash
>>541398007Sounds like you're a Windurst ChadSan'dorian bvlls just bully youBastokans tell you to get back to the mines
>>541398412Actually I chose San d'Oria. Are all the city/unity NPCs tsundere for your character?
>>541394637Does this mean we can finally have turn based combat back?
>>541399078FF should get into the auto-battler scene
>>541399226XII, XIII, XV, and XVI all already have auto-battle or auto-battle-like features. They're adding or have already added such powerful cheats to Remake and Rebirth that you could essentially play them as auto-battlers. The Pixel Remasters have an "auto-battle" feature which continues to select the previously used command in battle. The Remasters have such powerful cheats, similar to Remake and Rebirth, that you could basically play them as auto-battlers. That's not even mentioning the fact that you could already have beaten these games by just selecting "Attack" 90% of the time, which would just be spamming confirm or in some cases holding the confirm button down.
>>541361190>guess I'll try in a couple of years againYou're better off talking about FF on Kiwifarms than coming back to this dying site, honestly.
I spent one battle spamming praise/preach on my units and then my mediator ended up 6 levels above everyone else and now i can't beat Zeklaus Desert to delevel them
L'Eclair...
>>541319573Nothing, it's the bad parts only of Rebirth in a game with boring mind numbing cinematic combat and an extremely ugly female protagonist, the worst FF game is better than that
>>541337149The only bad part about Nibelheim in Rebirth was the QTEs hold triggers to crawl to Sephiroth while he very slowly kills peasants
>>541403434but did you play it
>>541403802I played Ghost of Tsushima and it sucked so I already played Wokei and I already know that it sucks but it sucks even more cause now you have to play as an ugly woman, Id rather stick to based asian games
There are some things that I would have liked to see both more and less of in VIIR, but overall I'm satisfied so far.
>>541383942>you should argue using your own opinions>you sound disingenuous/ffg/ is a funny place
>>541389885What are you talking about? I can't see any posts claiming future FF games will be bad. Where are these doomers?
>>541408496Retard
>>541404558>didn't actually play it but complains about it anywaylollmao even
>>541408496Maybe the "doomers" were the real fans all along.
>>541414894By all means point them out to us. Is someone ITT being a doomer about FFXVII?
>>541416131First rule of /ffg/: posts don't have to exist in order to hurt feelings. It's enough to feel like they exist. And even if the posts you're complaining about don't exist, someone will always appear to back you up.
Second rule of /ffg/: everyone is out to get you and you are never wrong.
>>541418784This. The insecurity and persecution complex is rife in this fandom. Nobody is dooming about the future of the series but someone can claim that's happening and everyone is expected to agree because it "feels" like everyone is against us and our games in our own general that hardly anyone posts in.>why is everyone dooming about the future of FF?Are they? Where?>massive tantrum instead of pointing out the posts, maybe even a little paranoid schizoposting and namefagging if feeling zestyEeyup.
I lost. I'm sorry...
>>541389885Most final fantasy games are fine. Including XIV. Including Tactics Remastered. Including VIIR. It’s just XVI specifically that is utterly abysmal.
>>541419350But you can't deny this general is sinking under a tidal wave of dooming for future releases, can you?
Kino
>>541419991what is that, 4 flops in a row?
>>541422212l’fraid so
>>541422212>XVI>Downtrail>Tactics What is the fourth flop?
>>541422367Fantasian
>>541422381At least Fantasian and Tactics are good games. Incidentally, these two weren't made within the walls of CS3. Just an observation.
Don’t care. Still buying Tactics Remastered.
>>541423934Not a single person...
>>541423934You haven’t bought it yet?
XVII’s protagonist should be a big titty goth black mage.
Not him but i was planning on buying it too in the future, right now i already have a big backlog and i consider the remaster to be a little expensive so ill wait for a discount
>>541418784>you are never wrong.I'm sure the guy who imagined there were doomer posts about the future of final fantasy will admit those posts weren't real any minute now
>>541430854I just felt they were there, and really that's all that matters.
>>541431737Well if that's how you felt, I guess you don't have to admit you were wrong.
>>541414942>You didnt give money to woke devsGhost of Tsushima is ghost of Wokei, you play the first one you played the second one too
>>541433831the woke shit in ghost of tsushima wasn't written poorly, wasn't the characters' only personality trait, and was treated with historical accuracy i.e. everybody tried to hide it. idk about yotei but i ain't buyin it
>>541436065Lady Masako was extremely woke though, the game was boring too
>>541223667Yup.>link and zelda: Clive and Jill >merchant: xiv/xvi haters
>>541436578she had one quest with a gay lover and the rest of the time she acted like a deranged psycho bitch, where was the lie?
>>541250616>deflectionerrytiem>>541257452LMAO it really do be like that
>>541419991You made it melt down.
>>541419112Tifa bro...
>>541388952Should be WoL. Maybe incorporate the 6 classes too.>>541394637Yet another JRPG better than de-birth.
>>541423059>CBU3 are sales poison4 such cases and counting
I like XVI.
>>541441704Cute rape victim.
>>541422212lel
>>541419991It seems that even merely seeing Naoki Yoshida's name is enough to make him melt down while samefagging. >>541223667This post was true multiple times in the same thread. Imagine that.
>>541399078Turn-based games don't sell anymore. Nobody buys them.
>>541422212The cult did NOT like that one.
So they’re really scrambling to put XVI on Switch?
>>541419112>sephiroth...https://files.catbox.moe/x0pai0.mp4
>>541444956I remember when Yoshi-P said that.
>Sqeenix doing a rerelease for their mediocre/shit OG FF7 line of figures >It's just the same versions of the previous ones but with a different weapon>An improved version of Cloud is a plastic model kit>All at $100 + tip eachVery jewish of you Square, like always. Very jewish.
>>541445982They insist on making it flop on every platform. Expect a Google Stadia announcement very soon.
I see he's still melting down about someone saying they wished we had seen more of the upper plate in Remake.
>FF7 Cumpilation>Kingdumb Farts>Cum Age Cuckmanhurdurs>Fabula Nova CrystallitisWhat is it with SE's obsession with making their own Marvel universes? Only 2 out of the 4 managed to survive and be still somewhat relevant/popular due to the sheer force of being forced onto the public.
>>541448917???
>>541451250>Square Enix nees to be make their own Marvwl multiverse because...he just does ok!What causes this?
>>541451250No one thinks this
>>541451857>>541451085relax dude
>>541451342I understand your confusion. It makes no sense at all, but that's what has been happening for the past several days now.
>>541451857He isn't quoting anyone. Just asking why some have the opinion that Square Enix needs to make Marvel multiverses.
>>541451342One day, he'll realize that the scenarios he imagine in his mind aren't actually real in the real world.
>>541452738Everyone on /ffg/ has an active imagination. Earlier someone seemed to be very upset about doomer posts concerning the future of FF but at the time it seems no such posts existed.
I love XV
>>541458771*hate
>>541451342In his head one thing that happened several days ago is responsible for something that has been happening for a couple years now.
>>541209001
>>541459568But if I say anything negative that triggers the bot?
>>541458771Based FF enjoyer.XV is the best one.
>>541463184*worst
>>541464858But enough about XVI.
FUCK THIS GUY
>>541465018*XVDamn my autocorrect keeps messing with my posts
just finished fft againcinema
>>541465679the biggest filter in all FFT
>>541465679>tfw you realize Tactics is kinda just Berserk
>>541467947speaking of which it's actually pretty neat how much ff12 took from the themes and stuff of fftreally quite similar but with more airships and annoying kids
>>541465018This
>>541445982I think every big Square AAA game is gonna end up on the Switch 2 eventually. Their PC sales just don't seem to be enough for them, even if they claim they did well, the peak player numbers tell a different story. At this point, it looks like Square is betting on Nintendo platform for maximum profit, porting over old stuff and definitely also bringing KH and DQ down the line.
>>541451250Desperate for a money making franchise hit while spreading their influence as widely as possible. Also can't forget about the spin-offs/sequels that died and/or had a short lived revival.>Ivalice4 games, died at Revenant Wings. >Crystal Chronicles6 games, died at Crystal Bearers.>Dissidia 4 games, died at Opera Omnia.Other than 14, once the FF7 train runs dry they'll have nothing else to fall back on regarding the FF brand.
i've never once even considered replaying 15shit's boring as fuck
>>541471380This but XVI.
>>541470971>Muh Steam chartsNever falling for this meme again after Stellar Blade "flopped again" on PC.
>>541471493zipping through everything with odin is fun but yeah it doesn't have that much replay value either honestly
We are the Final Fantasy General. No one hates Final Fantasy more than us!
>>541471702it's really just a few idiots but it only takes a few to ruin a general
>>541471493XV haters can't handle a game with too much soul. Pls understand.
>>541471868One bad apple does indeed spoil the whole bunch.
>>541471574>Stellar Blade Literally no one gives a shit about that coomer game outside of /v/ the same way no one gives a shit about XVI outside this place.
>>541471868No one "hates" FF. We just think there's not much else TO enjoy about the series other than the games we personally enjoyed either due to sunk costs or nostalgia because in reality there's really nothing else to look forward to.
>>541472450You just described the demeanor of someone who hates Final Fantasy and shitposts about it for 18 hours per day.
>>541472382>Literally no one gives a shit about that coomer game outside of /v/If you live in a bubble. 1mil sales in 3 days says otherwise.
>>541472450incoherent post
>>541472561Please point out where I said anything about "hated" of the series.
>>541472382it was a good game along with the copious amount of ass it has
>>541472450XVI is pure trash and deserves to be hated by every person on the planet. Every other FF has its own value to justify its existence even the bad ones, but XVI doesn't.
>>541473101>please engage with me in some meaningless pedantrynah senpai i'm good
>>541473101>We just think there's not much else TO enjoy about the series other than the games we personally enjoyed >there's really nothing else to look forward to.Hope this helps.
>>541473146Irrefutable, I'm afraid.
>>541473061It makes perfect sense. You're just an insecure fanboy.
>>541473560>everything you like is nostalgia or sunk costsyou must be fun at parties
>>541473240Sounds more like disappointment than hate, projecting retard.
>>541473560>You're just an insecure fanboy.If only we could instill this fact within the VIIR defender who never posts his own opinion, only speaks about how things can't happen due to 1:1 purists despite VIIR already not being a 1:1 Remake, and melts down for days because someone said they wished we had seen more of Midgar in Remake.
>>541473639Spoken like a true dick rider. Don't let that 14 troon sub go to waste.
>>541473639Is there legitimately anything to look forward to regarding the series beside Remake Part 3 for those who are still interested in its conclusion?
>if the doomer posts about FFs future aren't real, I'll MAKE THEM real!yawn
>>541475326I don't know why you Final Fantasy haters are even here unless you're just shitposters addicted to seething for (You)s. I'm looking forward to 2027 and seeing what Kiryu's plan for Final Fantasy is. I'm hoping for a gacha game that can bring about a renaissance of real posters on the /ffg/ who are actually talking about something related to Final Fantasy, not just 1-3 schizos shitposting all day for (You)s. Tactics Remaster just came out and is pretty good. There's also the prospect of the IX Remake which may or may not exist. >>541475815Oh, damn. That is what's happening, isn't it? The guy complaining about doomers who weren't posting anywhere is the same guy who is doomposting now, isn't he? He got me. I didn't even notice that this is 100% exactly what just happened.
>>541473740>melts down for days because someone said they wished we had seen more of Midgar in RemakeI liked when he admitted that he'd like that too, but he still feels the need to shut down anyone else saying so, because wanting the remake games to be different in any way is narcissistic.Don't ask me how that works, or how he engages in any discussion with any media with this mindset, but here we are.I do wonder if he applies this "logic" to anything other than VIIR. He must do, or else he'd have to face some hard truths about his relationship with the VIIR series.
>>541472561Don't talk about 16-kun like that. He loves Final Fantasy more than any of us here. So much so that he larped being a Snoy for 2 years and stole some plebbitor's screenshots of the game claiming they were his. That's some dedication to the brand.
>>541475972Least buck broken cultist regular.
>>541476243>>541476580>deflects to his bogeyman twice for no reasonConcession accepted.
I've seen some of the saddest schizoposting of my life on /ffg/ and some of the bitterest obsessions and refusal to let go and move on imaginable.And yet the phrase "stolen screenshots" still hits like a splash of cold water to the face.How can anyone post about "stolen screenshots" without stopping and asking themselves "what the fuck am I doing with my life?"
>>541475326Besides the possibility of clinging to the meme of more remakes/remasters of already existing games and 7R's cancerous discourse finally coming to a close, not much else, no..
>>541476764Your answer was pretty "I'm looking forward to the potential of nothing" and then cried about your hugbox being ruined. No one wants you here.
Haven't bought Ivalice Chronicles myself but have it on Steam Family Share. Is Bard still garbage? I always liked the idea but couldn't justify it. Please tell me the charge speed improvements a lot of classes got also apply to Bardsong.
>>541477198I told you what I am looking forward to. You just hate Final Fantasy. It's that simple. You're also the same guy from earlier who was bitching about so-called doomers, so I just can't understand your angle unless you are quite literally schizophrenic and attempting to control the narrative of "public opinion" in this thread is literally the only thing you have going on in your entire life.
>>541476846Oh right. Forgot that the actual screenshots file sizes were """"too big"""" so he had to borrow them from someone else instead. Oops!
>>541475326Did they make another Cloud figure? I know he's popular but he's gotten way too many in the past few years. jesus fuck, SE is really going to milk FF7 down to the bone.
>>541477437Time to step away from the touchscreen keyboard.
>>541476846All my screenshots are self made. No need to steal them.
>>541476846>How can anyone post about "stolen screenshots" without stopping and asking themselves "what the fuck am I doing with my life?"It's actually even juicier than this:>"brand new to /ffg/" anon shows up immediately after the previously biggest shitposter left>purely coincidentally, both of them shitpost for 18 hours per day about Jimbo and Yoshida>anyway, "new" guy starts posting 4k XVI screenshots ("it's kind of [his] thing") while shitposting for 18 hours per day>someone may or may not have saved one of his screenshots (I know I saved a Yuffie screenshot once)>any time anyone reposts "his" screenshot, he "crashes out" and has a temper tantrum for hours because he thinks people are pretending to be him or whatever>he genuinely purports to think that if people did not spend hours taking gigabytes of screenshots during their playthrough like he did, then they didn't play the game at all >the reality is that not everyone dedicates more time taking screenshots of their playthrough than actually playing the game>one of the more prolific non-"new" guy screenshot poster continues posting screenshots>"new" guy pesters him every fucking time>"where did you get that ss?">"did you take that from youtube?">"do you even own the game?">guy says he can't post his pictures because the file size is too large>shows folder of screenshots>gets told to figure out how to post them>he posts them>"new" guy moves goalposts and says the filesizes are too small now>screenshot poster jumped through every hoop he was given, and in the end the "new" guy just decided to completely ignore that he lost the argument while repeating as often as he can that his alleged enemies have never played the game he spends 18 hours shitposting and all they do is "steal" """his""" screenshotsThat dude is legitimately schizo.
>>541477723What a weird thing to say. I don't know how anyone can stand using this site on their phone. I'm using my computer and my keyboard.
>>541476846Looks like they're digging their heels in
>>541256159Disgusting.Only the schizo redhead is tolerable of that trash. Kill the mary sue and that P2W faggot Joker.
I'm sorry but bro's bf% is nowhere low enough to be wearing shirts like that.
He's either really dedicated to the bit or he's overcompensating for being a poser.
>>541482158Why are you so obsessed with this minor eceleb?
>>541475972>I'm looking forward to 2027 and seeing what Kiryu's plan for Final Fantasy is.Potentiality of something that doesn't exist.>I'm hoping for a gacha game that can bring about a renaissance of real posters on the /ffg/ who are actually talking about something related to Final Fantasy, not just 1-3 schizos shitposting all day for (You)s. Irrelevant wish fulfillment and schizo babble.>Tactics Remaster just came out and is pretty good. A remaster of a game that already exists.>There's also the prospect of the IX Remake which may or may not exist. And something that you're also doubtful of that may as well not exist.
>>541482696I know who you're talking about and he's weird but I don't mean it in that way. I was just watching the video and came here because I needed to yell to someone about how cutoff tanks are a sub 12% bodyfat piece of clothing.
>>541477437>You just hate Final Fantasy. It's that simple. *Tap tap* >>541473732
>>541473732There is a difference between shitty games that are disappointing and ones that are downright insulting to players by being incredibly shit, the kind that makes you look like a retard for just owning it. XVI is the latter.
BEHOLD! THE SECOND COMING OF RAMZA BEOULVE!
>page 10Dead threadDead seriesThanks Yoshida.
>>541492887he came multiple times on agrias already
>>541482696He thinks that eceleb posts in ffg
>>541482704A subpar remaster that isnt even as good as previous ones is really the worst type of scam. And worst of all, retarded game journos are desperate to make political statements about the current day, like you think eurotrash would take the revolutionary message to be to overthrow the authoritian UK government and the EU as a whole, but instead they are obsessed with America, the last hope for western civilization, instead.
>>541433831but you didn’t actually play it lmao.
We absolutely HATE Final Fantasy here.
>>541499945Yeah but only the bad FF games
>>541482158This guy really represents the VIIRgin fandom?really says a lot desu
>>541466316Based Tictacs enjoyer
Do you guys think Expedition 33 sweeping the game awards will make Square pivot into making good games again?
>>541513934They already made the 10/10 FFXVI.How much better can it get?
>>541513934No because I don't think E33 is sweeping the game awards.
>>541518583>>541515184>>541513934Fuck off to /v/ already
>>541515184Shitposting goes against the rules.
>>541520534This
Is tactics supposed to be this difficult? I play a shit ton of trpgs, even done challenge runs on games like divinity, but tactics is fucking brutal so far.
>>541522608You probably play the game wrong. Just get everyone the auto-potion skill and stock 99 X-potions, nothing can kill you.
So we can all agree that XII and Rebirth are the most overrated games in the series, right?
>>541477984narcissist but yeah
>>541522608Yes it is. The game gives you all the tools you need to break it and it's up to you to determine which of them you feel like using. As other anon says, literally just Auto-Potion and maxing Brave on everyone carries you all the way to chapter 4.Personally, my favorite challenge runs of the many I've done are "one of each magic class only" and "one each of knight, archer, BM, WM; Ramza can pick any other single job."There are tons of viable options, a few S tier options, and a lot of absolute garbage. It also helps to know the actual game mechanics (see the BMG https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197339-final-fantasy-tactics/faqs/3876 )For example: Knife damage is based on Speed; the best thief is generally a 100 Brave Monk with Attack Boost since Steal is a melee attack with success rate based on Speed; Jump is a special class of skill that is unaffected by Attack Boost, and you should use Doublehand instead; Samurai skills are magic and use your MA stat, so they're best on a Black Mage secondary; starting around the end of chapter 2, many battles have powerful gear to steal with, most notably Meliadoul's Chantage and Elmdore's Genji equipment.
Also, something really interesting I learned yesterday is that Arithmetics deal severely reduced damage (healing and success rates seem fine). I think it's -50%. It's still broken but not nearly so much.
Oh yeah, and nothing in the game is immune to stat damage and also slow works on every ??? boss
Time for another playthroughit's nice to bounce between true kino in 33 and tactics
One thing I dislike about old FF is that they have the tendency to really hide away cool sublots and cool features. Sometimes my enjoyment is dampened because I'm worrying that I'm going to miss something interesting, but using guides sucks the fun out of the game for me. I'm imagining it is like this to reward the 13 year old boy who plays the game over and over again obsessively.
>>541529202i got bored last week and started my first randomizer run, it was pretty fun (i did get cheater though in act 1, lmao)
>>541529202I've never even considered replaying this game. It was decent, but not a game that you replay. Don't know why you're posting about this in the Final Fantasy thread, though.
>>541529309I'm planning on doing a challenge run without any pictos or levelling at some point. Randomizer sounds fun>>541529489I also mentioned Final Fantasy
>>541529712no pictos/leveling sounds extremely boring
>>541529781levelling won’t make much of a difference tbf, but yeah I could see pictosless making the end game fights a bit too drawn out
>>541529712>I also mentioned Final FantasyYour original post and subsequent posts are not in any way related to Final Fantasy.
>>541530075Final Fantasy tactics is a Final Fantasy, anon.
Might be time to replay OG FFVII for the 60th time. Any worthwhile mods? never tried modded before.
>>541529489I never consider any Final Fantasy to be replayable.They are meant to be stories you experience one and ponder upon.The games don't really have depth or strategic thinking that induce you to replay it.
>>541530242You're not talking about Final Fantasy Tactics. You mentioned it in passing in a desperate attempt to appear "on topic" while actually talking about E33.
it's time to stop posting
>>541530904I am literally bouncing between tactics and e33. I don't know why you are being so schizo.
>>541530976This is the Final Fantasy thread, anon. You should be posting about Final Fantasy.
>>541531049Final Fantasy tactics is actually a Final Fantasy, anon
>>541531281Then you should talk about it and not E33.
>>541531432I can tell talking about FF is very important to you anon. What FF would you like to discuss? I'll talk about it with you.
Once again our most concerned and vocal thread quality assurance posters appear to have no interest in talking about final fantasy themselves.
>that one anon who doesn't think tactics is a ff
What is your /comfy/ entry? Mine is IV (both the og, and the 3d remake).
>>541441704You made it upset.
>>541465018>can't defend his fave so just deflectsHeartbreaking!
>>541471981>soul>cut tenebrae>cut solheim>clunky combat>one playable character at launch, needed paid dlc to get the others>barely no explanation for how Luna traveled >only a minor reference to nyx >cut enemies
>>541476846Still not as bad as BEapes shitposting
>>541477984Even worse there are 2 of the ones that post their own screenshots. The guy accusing or being accused of stealing, and the filesize guy.
>>5415336197 og and remake
Which game has the best prelude?
>>541525191XII doesn't even get rated Anon. How the fuck can it be "overrated"?VIII is overrated.
XVI is the best one since X.As an old school fan of the series, my opinion is the only one here that matters.
>>541540774cute! I hate rebirth
thread sucks ballswhat else is new
>>541541981Should just let it die at this point
>>541541975Based
>>541538781IV, VI, XV, or XVI
I dont understand how people find tactics fun
>>541546396Better than ATB slop
>>541549604If done correctly, then it's debatable.
Oh hey, they actually let you see the map now. Imagine that.
Mugging people in a videogame has never been this fun.
>>541552259Better than IX's
https://youtu.be/DwoWbl8h0II?si=0vCNdaBn8SQqI71HXVI kinda feels like one of those games I'll always remember; like NG2, SMT4A, or LOLK.It's been a while since I played something that felt like that...
Should I get ff15 or 16 on sale? I think Josh and Clive are a cute ship and I like fantasy settings, but a boy band road trip sounds niceI've played other final fantasy games and 8 is probably my favorite with 6 being close behind. I didn't really get into 7 too much and 10 just didn't click with me, so idk if I'll still enjoy any of the new games
I see the homos have found their way to our lovely thread.
>>541546396Still better than XVI.
>>541562735This, so much this
>>541561340>>541563354give me the answer I seek and I shall leave
Looks like I won the argument
>>541561134XVI is an above average action game, but the combat is a bit meh.XV is terrible by all accounts, but has great vibes.
>>541562847just here, /v/, and /fit/
>>541565792Me...
>>541566091>XVI is an above average action gameNo it's not, Just because the combat is better than base XV isn't saying much. That's a pretty low bar. It still gets mocked by XV's multiplayer combat, which actually has fully functional magic system.
>deleting a post asking about the /ffg/ communityprobably the same faggot who doesn't think fft is a final fantasy, lmao
>>541563747>>541561134XVI if you want fun, XV if you want slightly more depth. Both have 10/10 music.
>>541567154The story is also better, and I personally prefer the ost (though both are good).
>>541561134>Should I get ff15 or 16 on sale?== FF15 ==graphics: excellentaesthetics/atmosphere: mediocremusic: midexploration: badcombat: shitstory: mediocrecharacters: mediocre== FF16 ==graphics: excellentaesthetics/atmosphere: shitmusic: midexploration: badcombat: excellentstory: goodcharacters: good
>>541539823Based but XI, XII and XIV are also great imo
Delita us from Evil
>>541574701>FF16>story: good>characters: goodlollmao even
Never played tactics beforeDo I just get jp boost and movement+1 on every single character?
>>541574701If XV's exploration is bad, then XVI's is turbo bad. At least there are places and things to find in XV's world, like optional dungeons and royal arms. It is actively a waste of time to do anything in XVI that isn't following the marker because there's nothing worthwhile to find.
