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El Presidente

>INFORMATION & GUIDES
Wiki: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Game
News: https://dota2.com/news
Patches: https://dota2.com/patches
Updates: https://dota2.com/news/updates
Lore: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Lore
For League players: https://dotabuff.com/learn/lol
Bug tracker: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues
X: https://x.com/dota2

>STATISTICS
https://dota2protracker.com/
https://dotabuff.com
https://opendota.com
https://stratz.com
https://stats.spectral.gg
Personal game data: https://steamcommunity.com/my/gcpd/

>ESPORTS
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Esports
https://datdota.com
https://dota2.com/esports
https://gosugamers.net/dota2

>>541064369
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So what's good this patch?
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I've been enjoying Ursa a lot lately and I think it is because of the blink dagger, honestly. Can you guys recommend some good carry heroes that build a fast blink? Only Wraith King and Sven come to mind besides Ursa. And of course AM has one built in.
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>>541402074
Not many changes other than magnus, SK and mars getting gutted.
Refresher is not as good either so anything that builds around it suffered a little.
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your games need more attractive human characters, all the monster shit just blends together, deadlock got it perfect
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How come there's no cute vtubers playing dota?
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>>541404791
nobody "cute" could play dota.
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>>541404791
>no le animay roastie of many simps playing dota
Good.
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/14184192
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This tortedelini guy that makes guides is not even playing ranked? what the fuck
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>>541407083
he's also jewish
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>>541407083
One time (only time I've seen his stream really) I saw him playing sniper aghs with khanda when it was new-ish and you could tell he was tweaking the fuck out on some adderall or some other stim, it was really funny.
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>>541407083
His guides are just copy+pastes of dota2protracker stats, and he's like 2k MMR. It's amazing anybody takes him seriously.
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>>541405457
https://incels.is
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>>541407083
>SNIPING CEB AND TOPSON
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>>541405993
Dota 2 used to be a completely different game. What happened? Did 7.00 ruin it for good?
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>>541411282
Your favorite youtuber fucks BBC
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>>541407083
I randomly queued into a game with him on my team a few months ago. Can't remember if it was a ranked game, but he's literally Archon.
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>>541405993
the base is so fucking wide holy shit
every hero is so small
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>>541407083
wow he’s also brown ew
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>>541411752
The game is fun, what do you mean ruined? And before you ask, yes, I played before 7.00 and even before the patch in that Demon clip.
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>>541412385
>The game is fun
Maybe if you're a third worlder.
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>>541412673
I'd love to hear the mental gymnastics you've gone through to equate enjoying Dota 2 with being a third worlder.
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>>541411752
>smokes
>lotus orb
looks exactly like dota2
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>>541413464
If you played Dota 1 at a high enough level to notice smokes getting added to Dota 2 and how to use them then you're too old to be on this website.
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>>541413969
that is nice
you arent the boss of me nor are you the leader of this general
and i didnt ask
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>>541414043
Who said anything about this general? Think you might need to put your reading glasses on. Or take the LARPing ones off.
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>>541414075
i did, since you are struggling to read
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>>541414146
Thats a weird thing to say then since I never tried to insinuate I was the leader of this general. You can't "lead" a thread on this website.
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>>541414338
and yet you are trying to tell me what i can and can not do
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>>541414387
This is how I know you didn't play Dota 1 back then because no grown adult talks like this.
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>>541414505
where did i claim to have played dota1?
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>>541414563
Gotcha, so you're just a larper.
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>>541414602
you didnt answer my question
so you're just a troll
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>>541414654
Sorry, you'd understand if you played Dota 1.
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>>541414721
you're too young to have played dota1 by your own admission so how would you know what it is to understand?
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>>541414747
I played a lot of Dota 1 and HoN but didn't know what the fuck a smoke was or when it got added to Dota 2 because I was only a kid. It was hard to remember what taverns had my favorite heroes.
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>>541414964
nice larp, if that were true you would be too old to use this website
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>>541415002
No, if I was some 40 year old neckbeard who played in DXD inhouse league I would be too old for this website. As a 27 year old I am at the prime age for socializing on imageboards. The cutoff is 35.
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>>541415091
>No, if I was some 40 year old neckbeard who played in DXD inhouse league I would be too old for this website
and yet you are here
>As a 27 year old I am at the prime age for socializing on imageboards.
that math doesnt work out
14 years old isnt a kid
>The cutoff is 35.
there you go larping as a leader again
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>>541415182
>14 years old isnt a kid
LOL
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>>541415214
the cutoff is 12
and you have a terrible memory if you cant recall something that happened 15 years ago
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>>541415283
Yeah you're definitely a kid on here saying this retarded ass shit.
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>>541415347
>confirmation bias
definitely a troll
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>>541415370
Roblox is 2 blocks down. They don't take kindly to "trolls" there, you'll fit right in champ.
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>>541415514
look at you still trying to tell me what to do despite acknowledging you have no authority here
exactly as a troll would
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dude i heckin' love le epin fagnoceros
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>retard arguing with lonely friendless retard who hasn't played since he got banned for bad behaviour score 10+ years ago
Another great start to a new thread.
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>>541411282
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>>541418210
>lack is putting nightshade on his art
AIbros...
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Buff Underlord.
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>>541420084
okay propose some buffs
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>>541420132
firestorm does more damage if the target is rooted
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>>541420640
it already does % damage why does it need gimmicks
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>>541420780
because I can't think of any buffs, I don't know how to buff him desu
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what was his name again? he likes word "impact" in his guides. I wanna see what he's up to these days. has a fuckton of accounts, gets banned for being a toxic nigger all the time, cries on camera like a bitch, but ultimately good guides. also I think he has short stache and beard unlike this cop, but same eyes and head structure.
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>>541421290
henry?
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>>541417830
If you don't know the difference of someone playing a character and just a roastie streaming herself, I donno what to tell you.
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>>541407083
untrue
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>>541418312
>make it look like shit so ai can't copy it
okay?
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>carry picks Medusa
>enemy picks Antimage
Epic!
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>>541423504
>woooooooow the enemy picked a counter to my gay nigger hero?
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
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https://voca.ro/1028t5Jj5gvA I anal-eyez the new patch.
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>>541422698
5k 10 years ago is herald today, the playerbase has gotten a lot better
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>watch pro play
>sniper buys shard on the second that it's available in the shop because not dying = good
>sniper in my game
>waits for 3rd tormentor to get it for free
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>>541423773
realistically torte de lini was never 5k and he just lied about being that way. he seems very much like the type to just claim he's the rank that he "feels" he should be.

i was 5k 10 years ago and nowadays when i do play ranked, it takes me about 100 hours to get back into the groove and then i have no issues playing at 5k or immortal or whatever. really the main problem is that the game is stale dogshit and the only thing that's really fun is griefing the overemotional subhumans that play it
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>>541422264
>merely pretending
lmao
Simps like you are the new bronies/furries.
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>>541423732
Yeah but it's like the worst counter in the game, to the point that you don't even want to pick Medusa unless Antimage is banned
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>>541424705
>to the point that you don't even want to pick Medusa unless Antimage is banned
well yeah
that's why if you habitually pick medusa you put AM in your 4 banned
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>>541424705
chen counters elder titan harder
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>>541425430
I don't understand why this is so extreme. Surely the pos 5 match up isn't so significant it impacts which team wins to this extent.
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>>541425430
I want to learn Chen, how do I control all units so that they follow me all the time?
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>>541402295
TA
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What team outdrafted here?
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>>541427173
Radiant.
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>>541425967
low sample size is certainly skewing the result
150k matches played for am/dusa
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>play pos4 WR
>purchase good utility items that will lead the team to victory (Vessel, Lotus Orb, Gem, etc.)
>play well, lots of impact, easy win, get MVP and commends
>only 3.5k damage towards arcana progress
Well this isn't very fun and/or fair. I'm playing well and to win, getting lots of double shackles and powershot kills and buying good impactful items and yet I get punished for it.
On the other hand I can buy Maelstrom/Diffusal/Daedalus do nothing, lose, and get 10k+ damage for the arcana style.
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>>541428085
Yeah, Whirlwind also didn't count while it was a thing.
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i want everyone who has ever flamed or trolled me to die a gruesome, slow, painful death
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>>541422063
>henry
that's the one! thanks!
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>>541428742
I want the Autumn style but at this rate it will take me a decade to get it...
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>>541404791
>>541405031
>>541405457
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSux_QEfv6wAsrJC_eroS5A
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>>541428085
what is the problem here?
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>>541428742
It did count but weirdly. You got far less than what you'd expect.
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>>541429245
>buy good items to win the game
>get no arcana progress
>buy retarded items to get arcana progress
>lose but get arcana progress
I want the game to reward my double shackles and execute powershot kills with arcana progression so I don't need to grief my teammates with stupid itemization.
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can't you just turbo the progress?
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>>541429816
Half the progress, so instead of 2.5 Million damage you need 5 Million damage.
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>>541429921
You get damage items much quicker in turbo so your overall damage per minute played will probably be higher in the long run.
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They should make unranked mmr visible so you can see your ranked mmr and your unranked mmr
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>>541428815
why? vengeance only feels good for a moment. you need a growth mindset anon.
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>quinn lost GG a sponsor because he can't stop being a sperg for a duration of one dota game
lmao
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>>541436571
>gets sued for $7.5Million
can he recover from this?
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>>541436571
What happened
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>>541437289
For comparison, RTZ when a parent walks into the room.
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>>541436997
Daddy Trump will bail him out
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>go to play game of dotes
>constant delay and oos
I hate this third world country so much.
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>>541437289
cringe
>>541437432
based
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>>541428742
It did count but only a couple weeks before it was removed.

>>541429468
There was something fucky with it. It only counted damage when it resulted in a kill or something. e.g. if you do 1k/500/800 damage on 3 heroes and only the 500 HP one dies, you only got 500. Shit like that. But I wouldn't be surprised if they fucked it up or something.
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>>541441280
>It only counted damage when it resulted in a kill or something
It still only counts if you get a kill. That's why it takes so fucking long to unlock the style, if you ult someone with Focus Fire and they don't die then it doesn't count towards the style progression.
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>>541441965
I wasn't arguing about that. I was just talking about reasons why Whirlwind was fucky about the count.
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>>541437289
seriously what happened?
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>>541428085
If it makes you feel better, core WR games where I lost usually were like 4k damage max so griefing for damagemaxxing isn't that worth it unless you're actually playing mid/core WR.
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>>541407083
He is not even 4k
Anyone following his guides is a complete and utter fucking retard. its peak NPC behaviour
>Just buy items without looking at your match because torte de reddit says so.
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>>541442607
Quon shit talk about Russia when 99% of betting sponsors are affiliated with Russia.
Sponsors disappointed.
No more money.
GG sad.
The team wants to leave no money org breaking every term of the contract.
Gets sued in Canada.
Basically a FAFO story for Quinn&co.
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>>541443445
Yea I'll keep playing to win with utility items but at this rate I'll never get the arcana style.
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>>541444334
The Anon suggesting turbo makes a good point. If a turbo game goes long, you'll be six-slotted and trying to kill fatties with 4k-5k HP a pop so even with a -50% reduction you'll get good damage per game. I don't know what your MMR is but playing her greedy in unranked can work too.
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>>541437432
Its almost too muted of a reaction from Arteezy. His Dad goes so wide eyed when he realizes everyone sees his big beer belly. Arteezy looks quite twinkish in comparison honestly. Is he ever going to man up and grow some body hair?
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>>541445089
Low immortal, if I think I can get away with it I try to get either Maelstrom or Diffusal 1st item and then utility afterwards but most games I need to rush Vessel. Maybe I should try turbo as suggested.
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My fucking sides. They hired a whole squad of CLN lawyers to dig really deep into Quinn's ass. He has to travel to the local court according to Canadian laws to gets fucked. I don't any other outcome with that much of investment from GG side into this lawsuit.
Also, poor Watson. It would be very stressful for a Kazakh boy
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is it true that peruvian internet give kids more time if they get a rampage?
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>>541446562
Can you stop teasing our cocks and just tell us what happened/is happening?
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>>541447447
>>541444167
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I GIVE UP
you're shitty ass game makes no sense and is actively unfun to play, the tutorials are broken, the bots are trash, the players are subhuman even more so than other mobas, i'm goint back to fucking league
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>>541448779
Its funny you say that cuz I tried to play league last month for the first time since season 2 and everyone was just so unpleasant. It was a new account so presumably everyone should have been a new player but it seemed like everyone knew the game was over at 10/15 minutes. At least in Dota 2 you can mute everyone and keep playing the game, I very rarely see true new players get actively griefed by their teammates.
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>>541446562
>>541448251
So GG is just planning on not existing in esports after this or something? Or what do they think will happen after suing one of their own players?
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Is DOTA 2 the only MOBA that respects its RTS roots?
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>>541449736
You are overestimating the reaction from other cyber disciplines after GG bankrupts Quon. The rest of the teams/players are Brazilian. No one will give a shit. In a worst case scenario, they will simply rebrand
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>>541450781
As a player you wouldn't take caution joining an organization that sued one of its players and wouldnt let the entire team play at TI? I feel like you only take this deal if you're a destitute tier 2 player who needs any kind of a paycheck. There is no way tier 1 players are teaming up with GG after this.
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>>541450940
>There is no way tier 1 players are teaming up with GG after this.
The issue is that you see GG as a cybersports organization and apply values and goals based on that view.
And I am thinking from the perspective of owners of crypto scam money laundry syndicate that earned $70-80m just from the GMRX token in their Gaimin launcher and with $100m+ per year only from hosting BNB.
I totally would not give a shit about t1/t2/t3 difference in teams, TI money or any other negligible thing. Ads + business cover-up is the only thing that matters. Dyrachyo had a great media coverage, that's why he is out of that lawsuit. The rest did not really get that cybersport is not about winning, but about bringing sponsors and betting/crypto addicts. That applies for any organization.
I would take personally Quon&co. threats by hiring a lawyer first to get a piece of that cake + reputation risk from Quon by attacking a country of betting sponsors who are washing hundreds of millions through GG. The FO part.
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>>541446562
They(GG org) are the ones that let quin stay in the team after the comment. They are just as culpable for losing sponsors. Also it's just petty to after they the team members over things that happened a year ago now after things fell apart.
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Any idea why I can't cast or use Hand of God? I literally press the button and it does not work.
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anyone that picks necrophos should get ass cancer and die forever, this is not even an opinion, it is fact.
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Gaimin Gladiators is suing Quinn, LOL
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the og mirana model looks much better than her persona. the persona has a weird texture to it i can't really pin itdown but it's odd looking
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>>541457357
What damages? Demanding pay?
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>>541459572
https://richardlewis.substack.com/p/gaimin-gladiators-officially-file
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>>541459143
The Persona is not properly made in terms of style.
The eyes are too boxy (because of anime style) and they have a bright white sclera, whats why its off putting, her skin is a bit too dark too, which further makes the eyes stand out
Which is weird because marci is from the same source and looks way better, I dont think they were made by the same artist.
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I can't make PA work at all no matter what items I build. She's just a really weak hero, squishy as fuck, prone to getting focused down and killed, shit for damage apart from crits, literally have to have an IQ of 200 to be able to build her properly. I don't know, just feels like a very bad hero overall. I've been trying to play her for a few days now and I've lost every single game I've had with her. Maybe they counter-drafted me pretty hard, but still, I should have been able to at least win one game with her and I haven't yet.
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I really don"t understand the point of having a reddit league hero like dawn. It makes people forget Underlord exists since she does everything he did but better
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>>541462737
She's just weak right now, wait for big patch and she'll get buffed.
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>>541462802
futa hero
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>>541462737
The right way to play PA is building a really early rapier, I'm not kidding.
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>>541462802
Underlord is good though if you go atos and aghs.
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>>541462802
dawn is dogshit
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>quinn getting sued as his retirement present
>milf pugna art on the powerpoints channel
>jugg buffs

its a beautiful day, dotards
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why does Luna glaives and Gyro flak cannon works on buildings but not medusa split shot
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>>541465764
Medusa doesn't need to be even stronger than she already is.
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>Quinn retires from Dota
>loses all his money
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I wish some faggot at Valve didn't cover up her tatas.
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>>541465485
>>milf pugna art on the powerpoints channel
???
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Dota 2 fighting game in that plays like BlazBlue central fiction and guilty gear...
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>>541468341
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>>541468448
Would fail, fighting games relies on having good characters and character design.
Dota doesn't have this
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>>541468456
thats something only a coping small dicked person would say.
Jugg chuds btfo.
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>>541468552
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>>541468546
But it does?
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>>541470437
I'm watching Kdramas.
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>>541437432
that's because quinn was participating in a tourney where there are rules on who's in the same room as you and can result in instant DQ and art door was streaming on twitch
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The deadlock thread is moving like 5 times faster than this one, it's over
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>>541467641
youtube channel that coopted loli pugna to make slop
videos are ok but the discord is riddled with pajeets
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>>541468448

dota has the basis of a fighting game engine, if they work on it it might be good one day
add physics, better jumps and a roster
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Vengeance shall be his
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>>541446562
how can this ever be justified?
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>>541474829
>we got this russian betting site to give us millions in sponsership
>quinn said fuck russia, sponsor left, so quinn owes us 7.5million usd
something like that
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>>541465485
>>541467641
>>541473412
Thanks for the advertising
youtube com/@Dota2PowerPoints
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>>541475504
>Ancient rank rant
Preach, when I did my recalibration after not playing for a few months (I was Immortal) I was just begging for it to not put me in Ancient. No problem going back to Divine but just don't send me back to the Ancient shithole. Climbing out of there was harder than getting from Divine to Immortal Draft.
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i want to have sex with ephey
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i wrote that i hated black people in masons chat and now im banned ;_;
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>>541474829
its not retarded enough to be dismissed outright, but its pretty close
GG has to have very strong contract language and internal evidence (they probably don't, it's fucking esports) to show/prove quinn specifically caused 7.5mm in damages (lmfao)
the strongest claim GG have is in losing Winline, but because it's a non-renewal, not a direct response to quinn's hurting of russianigger's feeling, that too is probably not doing anything
depends on how much quinn + others want to fight it, they will probably settle
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>>541476928
does this ever happen in real sports? you have controversies there all the time right.
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>>541477185
yeah, in the premier league (football) players have a fine to pay if they get themselves a red card, usually by their own club. I assume being toxic or griefing in dota is the equivalent of a red card worthy foul
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>>541479028
a fine sure, but that's different from being sued into bankruptcy
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>>541476279
Thank you for enjoying.
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>>541474829
7.5million CAD is a bottom line estimation they can publish
It's a possible loss of tens of millions USD from losing a support of crypto exchanges and token providers ruled by the Russians de-facto. Sponsorship is just a something something legal they can offer to the court.
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>>541465764
>Gyro flak cannon
Flak Cannon does not hit buildings.
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So quinn was 100% in the wrong, you're not supposed to bite the hand that feeds you
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Except having morals is based you stupid slavnigger
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>>541487157
>being a subhuman is having morals
good morning saar!
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>>541475504
Im going to send you a pugna pic in the near future.
t. Drawfag
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>>541487332
Telling gambling addicted cryptoscamming war criminals what people really think of them is based, yes. This general should have flags based off IP. It is very obvious you are a no morals Eastern European.
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Buff Rooftrellen.
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>>541490040
he got buffed
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>>541487157
If he had morals then he should have refused to work for the organisation once they made their preferences on the matter clear
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>morals
is it that thing where you create a made up problems to take the moral grandstanding by solving them when others don't bother at all?
1. Encourage the creation of X which is perceived as mental illness or a threat by the neighbors / the rest of the world
2. Support X, because it gives you the right to add "moral/supportive/other" points to yourself and deduct points from others based on circle jerking charts you have created to put yourself above the others. And all of that just to have formal reasons for intervening in their internal processes in the name of defending X by suppressing grants, economic flows, and local media to push them into your favor.
3. Pat yourself on the back, you are very self-righteous and "based"
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>>541490210
1 def on his E, awesome.
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>>541490219
Life is nuanced.
>>541490237
Its that thing where every sane person on Earth knows Russia and its inhabitants need to be wiped off the globe.
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is there a way to mute everyone every match automatically? or do you have to do it manually?
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>>541491046
Options, social.
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>>541491046
Go to options, social, turn off all incoming chat messages. You won't see pings anymore though. You still see tips. Otherwise, if you didn't know, there is a button next to each team in the scoreboard that mutes the whole team in 1 click. Pings still come through with that mute.
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>>541490237
Dont shitpost with my wife Surtr
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>>541487424
Thank you in advance! I've gotten an interesting balance of MS Paint shittery and insanely talented stuff.
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https://www.twitch.tv/gunnar/clip/RefinedResilientAlligatorPJSugar-iE7WZs2NP3qkF40B
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I don't even particularly hate Quinn, I just think it's fucking hilarious that he's getting sued
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>>541487424
post work
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where are the bard frog leaks
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>>541492773
lmao
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>>541492773
Should get matchmaking banned for a week, need to hold players like that to a higher standard. Don't need a bunch of ATF minions acting like arteezy fangays circa 2013 with their "im bored go end shit." Nip this in the bud now, Valve!
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>>541495518
Why do you care?
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>>541496851
I want to see more pugna, why do YOU care?
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so Queen is being mega sued after retiring and Henry appears to be mega ded. what a day. anyway, post drow!
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>>541492773
lole. gaben should delete his account himself.
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quinn might be getting cooked
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>>541497643
I don't remember that set having a tail
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>>541492773
I don't fucking understand how people act like this and still beg valve to artificially increase their behaviour score. Like no dude, your behaviour score is low because you're a piece of shit human being.
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>>541498119
he took the abandon like a man
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>>541498952
>like a man
>bb first
lol
lmao
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>>541496079
>he actually believed that
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>>541499197
>no all chat
>no crying
>just feed and move on
you wouldn't understand
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There's a reason why none of the streamers play at their own skill level. Dota 2 is only fun when you play at a level lower than yours.
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>>541503463
uuuhhhh ur not allowed to do that because.... I CANT AND IT MAKES ME UPSET!!!
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>>541503463
that's a man
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>>541503463
Is that what you tell yourself? lmao
Every time a pro or streamer gets a bunch of low rated players they say that the game is trash and low skill, and they play unmotivated. It's literally the opposite.
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>>541504369
is this real
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parties are fucking ruining my turbo experience
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>>541503463
I prefer playing at level slightly higher than mine because it feels challenging and I might learn something new. it sharpens my focus and skillz compared to stomping retards. dunno what streamers do other than MASO screaming at browns.
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>>541503463
Stomping noobs is boring. It's like playing a game on easy mode.
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I feel like I'm in a bit of a rut, or at least plateau'ing.

I'm 42k MMR and my winrate's been middling at 50% so I'm not climbing. Sure, a bunch of losses could be attributed to shit teammates but there were plenty of games where it felt like I'm being outskilled by the enemy. If I get put on core (I don't like playing core), they are outfarming me purely on efficiency alone as opposed to say, being better at teamfighting or having better teammates. I'm watching them farm on the replay and not really seeing them do anything special or different that I can tell. They take two waves, do two camps, then come back to take waves again. If anything, feels like they're just playing to farm for 40 mins to get six-slotted first and literally nothing else matters so maybe they just got lucky with the strat? They have like 3,000 games and are the same rank so it's not a smurf smurfing, probably. But it does bother me that they have way more farm than I'd expect them to.

Also there are times on support where I somehow lose free win lanes that I used to win before and I'm not 100% sure how/why. Sometimes it's free kills getting away when they shouldn't be able to, or enemy supports just auto-attacking the shit out of me and coming out ahead even though I should be winning that trade. Makes me question my sanity.

So my conclusion is that 43k and 44k MMR players know something I don't and I need to learn what they're doing differently. Also I need to up my farming game.
Do any of you guys have higher level guides or replay breakdown/analysis videos that you'd recommend? Both core and support. Preferably something that breaks down the decision making and thought processes at every step instead of some vague one-liner saying shit like "OBVIOUSLY you need to buy an Iron Branch and a Mantle of Intelligence but never a Null Talisman and that will win you the lane" with no explanation.
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>>541506663
youtube dota2 farm pattern
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>>541504975
Never seen a mason stream? He does the "im bored low skill game" 95% of his games
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>>541506663
>42k MMR
mmr inflation getting out of hand...
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Who are the best Pos4/5 right now? I'm casual enough to avoid patch notes, also casual enough i just wanna play techies.
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>>541511461
https://dota2protracker.com/meta?mmr=7000&position=pos%2B4&period=patch
https://dota2protracker.com/meta?mmr=7000&position=pos%2B5&period=patch
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>never dc
>never abandon
>never pause tip/pause for retard moments
>never ping death timer/dead allies
>never chat (nor does anyone else, cuz turbo(?))
>only ping when going in for a kill
why is my score so low? turbo only if that means anything.
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>>541511841
thanks, nigger
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>>541511912
Turbo is where you go to lose bs/cs.
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>>541497259
I can oblige if you promise to stop being mean to the drawfag. More in the PowerPoints Discord.
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>>541512656
Im pro-drawfag but being anti-discord takes priority
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>>541513075
That's fair. Can still peep the YouTube channel if you'd like. A few people have sussed out my Steam cuz I've shown I'm in the /d2g/ guild.
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>>541506873
Yeah so he can pre-emptively excuse the loss on him "not trying" due to it being "low skill." It is disgusting, disingenuous behavior.
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>>541512656
Whats the Discord?
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>>541514160
slark porn
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>>541514483
oh fuck , i thought you were asking "what's in discord" my bad.
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>>541512021
but why?
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>>541514604
you dotard.
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wasnt arteezy moving to eu to stream? what happened to that?
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>>541511912
8k is high
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>>541518993
Thanks.
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>>541519860
You're very welcome. I figure if I'm going to be ripping off d2g jokes for a living, the least I can do is encourage more Pugna art.
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>>541511912
Are you playing with your team? Getting into arguments with them? Contesting farm? Not playing your role?
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>queue all roles
>get mid
>have a great start, easy draft, we got this in the bag
>our pos 5 doesn't buy any detection against 2 invis heroes (or any wards)
>they die alone in the enemy jungle a couple times after laning
>"OMGGGGG I AM AFK"
>fucks off to the jungle by himself for the rest of the game
>have to stop farming so that I can buy and place wards for our Medusa so we'd have a chance
>40 minutes of torture later, we manage to win 4v5 while the enemy team bickers about why they lost in chat
The things we do, just to avoid losing...
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These are the heroes I decided to learn in my legend smurf.
Any tips
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>>541521406
You can carry the game from offlane with those heroes? Do you have a replay?
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You now remember Imperia, the antagonist of Crownfall.
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2 heroes I couldn't play because of their attack particle: Razor and Leshrac.
It's so deceptive, there's a delay before the damage
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>>541511912
Same thing happening to me, think they entirely disabled BS gain on turbo or some retarded shit like that but even false reports tank your shit HARD
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>>541521279
I stopped playing pos3 because of that. I was dissatisfied with my ability to do anything due to dogshit vision on the map and my supports' plays so I just decided to do it myself and play support.
Observers are literally free why are people so lazy.
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>>541521449
At my bracket? No, at legend probably yes, I haven't tested all the heroes, only lycan so far. Which hero are you interested?
Lycan is approved, you can easily carry, you just farm and ult for a guaranteed kill, just go wand -> helm of overlord(keep bringing clarities) -> nuliffier every game. The rest is situational
At this bracket no one knows how to counter him.
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>>541521759
I'm interested in winning games on Alchemist. I'm Ancient but I feel like if you're gonna go solo carry on 3 alch I can learn a thing or seven regardless.
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>>541521806
I haven't tested alch yet. He has 51% winrate in the offlane and there's a guy with 83% winrate you could check his replay
https://dota2protracker.com/hero/Alchemist
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>>541521528
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>>541521449
nta, but you can absolutely carry from the offlane with those pos3 heroes.
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>>541521528
>>541521992
she's a much more fun personality than venge/skywrath
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>>541522267
Her maniacal laughs are 10/10
but yes, she is much more fun to listen to.
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>>541519936
>Ripping off d2g
It's a pity you missed the lone druid jokes back when bear necessities anon was around.
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Easiest roles to win MMR imo:
1. Position 5
2. Position 4
3. Position 1
4. Position 3
5. Position 2

Position 5 is the same recipe every single game and if you pick braindead heroes like warlock undying you don't even need to learn dota, just show up to the teamfights.
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>>541522431
As a support player I wouldn't necessarily disagree but I'd word it differently. It's just as easy to lose MMR as it is to win MMR because your impact at the end is just lesser.
You say just show up to fight with a Warlock but the enemy Undying did the same so it's a stalemate, isn't it? End of the day buildings need to fall and if your cores don't go hit them you will lose and the team with non-retard cores will win.

Playing support is just more laid back and can be easier but you're just as likely to lose as you are to win.
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>>541522796
>but you're just as likely to lose as you are to win.
Maybe if you suck
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>>541522796
>You say just show up to fight with a Warlock but the enemy Undying did the same so it's a stalemate, isn't it?
No, because until immortal people aren't even trying to win mmr, if you pick these heroes, odds are your enemy is picking pudge support and sitting behing his carry leeching exp doing nothing all game.
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>>541522431
I would put pos 2 much higher. You fate is more in your hands that other positions, even if it's a mechanically difficult role.
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>>541522393
I remember him well, that guy was based.
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>>541521279
>cores complain I don't buy detection
>I play a ranged support that wants to stand back in fight while they play heroes that have insane mobility
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>>541523181
So is pos 1. The ranking is about the amount of skill required to rise in rank, not who's more impactful. Yeah it's probably the best role to boost mmr as a smurf but pos 2 needs to keep track of the whole game even during laning phase, pos 2 laning is something that you can't learn from any other role, it's very unique.
High rank midlaners can literally tell "yeah this guy isn't a midlaner" even if they're lower rank than the guy.
The heroes are also mechanically harder
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>>541523415
you also have empty space in your inventory that cores cannot afford to have
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>>541523540
It doesn't matter if I have Dust in my inventory if you're a Blink initiator jumping on a TA/Invoker while I'm playing an Oracle/SD/etc. that needs to sit further back and be ready to counter-initiate when the enemy LC/Mars/Magnus jumps you. I won't be in range to use Dust and if I'm in range to use Dust I'm out of position and we're both going to die. You also need to carry Dust, the amount of times my core has a Stick (not Wand), Quelling (not vs NP), Iron fucking Branch, etc. in their inventory instead of Dust after minute 25+ is too damn often.
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>>541522431
I want to win fast to fulfill my quota so I can move on to the next account. Support doesn't allow me that.
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>>541523090
>I did nothing, I played like shit, my impact didn't matter but we won and I got completely carried
>I played really well, I did everything right, none of that mattered, we lost and there was nothing I could have done about it
I feel those two a lot more often as a support than when I played core.
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>play core
>support is a useless detrimental retard
>very likely to lose but maybe doesn't matter if enemies are bad at ending games, can still potentially recover and win

>play support
>carry is a useless detrimental retard
>game cannot be won
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>>541523874
again, the ranking wasn't about impact. You can't deny support is the easiest role, it requires the least amount of effort and learning. Do the basics that up until immortal most players won't do and you're going to win more than you lose.
It's why support players have the highest hero pool, they can jump from hero to hero and still win just with the fundamentals. Even in pro, it's the choice of oldcels like puppey and kuro
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>>541521730
Yeah. I prefer support myself too, for the same reasons, which is why I was able to just transition to being the solo bitch support but man, don't put me mid and then give me teammates who can't be assed to do the bare minimum and force me to support. That's just support with extra steps.
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>>541523997
>play support
>do nothing all game
>game can still be won

>play core
>if you don't perform you lose, that's it
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>>541524114
>Even in pro, it's the choice of oldcels like puppey and kuro
It's also why most team captains are supports, since it's more laid-back it allows them to take a more macro approach to the game, make calls and decisions while their cores are more focused on their individual gameplay. In pubs supports just mostly chill since no one is going to listen to you even if you did try to make calls.
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>play pos3
>my pos4 is a melee hero that starts with boots
I love me some pos3, I HATE fucking pos4 players tho.
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>>541524206
That's not a positive for playing support, you agree that support's impact is lesser and at the end of the day it's the cores that decide if the game is won or lost. You might just get carried for free wins as a support, while as a core you have more control over the outcome.
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>>541524354
pos4 players seem to think leeching exp and then leaving the lane is how you're supposed to play
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>>541524437
You're supposed to leave often (secure power rune for mid, stack triangle), but you're supposed to come right back until it's time to leave again. The pos4 players that sit afk in trees leeching xp are the ones griefing.
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>>541524437
Don't forget when they go and die solo when your lane is pushed or something, starts to ping and flame you for not giving up 6 last hit of creeps so they can stand around in jungle doing nothing.
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>>541524383
Up until 1000 rank roles only change the speed in which you reach the MMR, not the skill required to reach it.
You can absolutely go from 0 to 12k MMR only playing support, and it requires the least skill.
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>>541523732
If you actually care about winning the game instead of bitching about "muh cores" after a loss try putting the dust in their inventory you fucking whiny baby.
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>>541524557
Yes like you're supposed to help him contest the small camp when the lane is shoved into your tower kek, absolute classic
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>>541524693
Yes but the speed matters because it reflects how much your own impact matters. Your fate is in your hands more often when you play core, even if you could stumble and fall upwards in rank as a support through enough games if you get lucky.
That makes playing support discouraging, not encouraging.
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>25 mins in
>our mid Ursa still doesn't have one item
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>>541524761
It's not about the 80 gold, I'll buy them Dusts every minute but it does nothing if it sits in their backpack. If you need a support to remind you to remove your iron branch and put in a dust you're retarded.
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>>541525002
And you're the same rating as these "retards." Amazing stuff.
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pos3 and pos4 seem to have a lot of problems with each other, are pos5 and po1 generally more cooperative in lane?
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>>541524915
What matters is reaching the MMR, speed only matters for boosting MMR.
It doesn't matter that your role has more impact if you're stuck in the same MMR. Anyone would rather be immortal support than divine carry, and you can reach immortal as a support just practicing the fundamentals.
Whereas core roles will require a skill that leave most players stuck in their MMR.
That's why I'll transition to support as soon as I get stuck
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>>541525109
Applies to >>541521279 and >>541524354 and literally every other post complaining about any other teammate.
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>>541525124
Pos 5 and pos 1 job is always the same. Pos 3 and pos 4 are the problem solvers of the game. PΓ²s 2 conducts the tempo of the game.
Pos 4 is easily the most misunderstood role in the game
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>>541525342
>Pos 4 is easily the most misunderstood role in the game
You just run around and kill people it ain't that deep.
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>>541525342
>>541524557
What should I do as a pos4 that is different than a pos5?
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>>541525451
I don't care about roles, just HELP out in the lane instead of standing with full HP/Mana and doing absolutely nothing.
All it takes is a tiny bit of help and most pos3 heroes can dominate a lane.
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>>541525408
>You just run around and kill people it ain't that deep.
>What should I do as a pos4 that is different than a pos5?
point proved
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>>541525835
As pos 5 you don't leave the lane.
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>>541525565
nah I think I'll pick pudge, go brown boots and sit behind you leeching exp, once I get lvl 2 I'll leave you by yourself and attempt to gank mid, only to fail. I will also steal your CS because you're just a pos 3 anyway lol
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>>541525893
>As pos 5 you don't leave the lane
If my pos4 is not going to secure power runes for my mid, should I do it myself as a pos5 and leave my carry 1v2 or do I always stay with my carry?
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>>541526145
regardless of pos 4 or 5 you should leave lane if when core is self sufficient, not in danger and you don't pose threat to the enemy offlaner(or they retired to jungling).
Essentially when it's a stalemate, for example when your centaur just got his vanguard
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>>541526569
win more item
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>>541526569
I get what you mean, but this isn't as bad as neutral items
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The big map was a mistake, valve should just reverse it and be done with it
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>pushing your lane as a mid laner before ganking is an advanced concept in league
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>>541527012
this but your life
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>>541523401
>BNLD
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>>541527272
>league of lel players when they can't 1 shot or endlessly kite with ranged heroes
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>>541526569
Harpoon is completely fine compared to many classic items.
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>>541518993
>d*scord shitter peddling his shit artwork
gross
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Remove midas.
Remove neutral items.
Remove tormentor.
Reverse the big map.
Remove kez.
Lower base health and regeneration.
Buff jungle creep reward.
Bring back iron talon.
Now the game is interesting again
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>>541528598
>just let me afk jungle for half the game
boring
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The map needs to be bigger.
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>>541404791
?
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>>541528831
It actually led to more diverse strats rather than what team farms more efficiently. You could corner enemies and force them to fight at a much higher pace.
I also forgot to mention:
Remove water runes.
Mid lane became too safe
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>>541528964
The most based anon in this thread.
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>>541528598
this except midas and kez (who does need a new voice actor)
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There's a serious lack off pos 3 players on twitch
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>>541528964
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Topson and 9class keep ruining my games.
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>>541529725
Removing the water rune would not make the mid lane that much less safe. Lots of mid heroes dont even buy a bottle. You need to make the high ground bigger so you can stand on enemy high ground and harass without being near the tower. That is what would make mid less safe and more snowbally.
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>>541531842
Of course it would, heroes that don't buy bottle are usually heroes with innate regen.
The amount of regen made killing people very hard. Rarely you kill someone from full to zero, it's usually taking their hp down bit by bit and eventually comitting, this is way more rare thanks to water runes.
Full bottle + 2min rune+(2 charges)+ 4 min rune(+2 charges).
That's insane regen that most popular midlaners rely on: QOP, storm, lesh, puck, sf, ember, shaker, sand king, void spirit, they all buy bottle.
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>>541532262
It would make it a little less safe, but I think the high ground change is significantly more impactful. Being able to stand on their hill lets you control all the CS, waste all their regen, and makes getting kills in the lane easier. You don't have to risk diving and getting TPd on as much. If the water rune was nerfed/removed you still have a tiny, claustrophobic lane that is just a couple meters away from the tower.
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>>541532417
this is just gonna bring back mid wars to low rank
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>>541534528
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>>541498952
>>541501786
his com score is so low he can't chat or voice anymore
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I don't understand how you dotos can have fun in a game where you can only control 10% of the outcome and the other 90% is happenstance
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>>541525957
>lvl 2
Try lvl 4 and you are the average pos4 pudge i get
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>>541536245
>can have fun
No one is having fun here.
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>>541536720
Someone make a hoodwink edit of this, like pic related
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>>541536753
why are you playing a game that you dont enjoy?
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>>541536245
>you can only control 10% of the outcome and the other 90% is happenstance
Crazy the shit you guys will tell yourself to justify your shit performance in videogames.
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>>541537060
kys
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>>541536720
my brown foot goddess wife
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>>541520032
I always farm around my team, never argue (no one is chatting), never take core's farm and for roles I mostly play pos1 but switch roles if some faggot clicks after me and insta pics some shit. rarely pos5 tho.
>>541521637
>but even false reports tank your shit HARD
that could explain it considering how I always ban pudge
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>>541541436
>literal clit for a dick
how is he whipping it out so confidently?
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There is a console command in deadlock that changes how the healthbars look, Im using it because they look nicer imo. Are there any similar commands in dota?
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>>541541436
Blue board, sir
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I'm a league player and I've heard that dota doesn't have the so called "lossers q". Is this true? How does dota's matchmaking feel?
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>>541543189
ywnbaw and also go back
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>>541543189
tf is that? we have the Naughty Boys Queue (Low priority queue)
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>>541544013
sent that freak flying
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>>541543189
Shitters will pretend there is because they can't cope with the fact that they're shitters
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>>541544178
you "randomly" get placed into games where your teammates are all retarded and you lose a bunch of games until you demote like an entire division. It's pretty much EOMM
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Alright what motherfucker at valve has a fetish for fucking bears, i swear to god i'll kill that fucking nigger for refusing to nerf ursa FOR FUCKING YEARS
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>crying about ursa
jesus christ
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found the faggot
im coming
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What offlaner do I pick to not auto-lose lane to Jugg who is in every game despite being on the banlist?
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I'm in fucking guardian and the enemy team is making smoke ganks invading our triangle to steal the stacks I made for our carry
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>>541548629
slardar
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>>541548649
dont stack in low elo
id advise to also play a carry role but you do you
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The lack of region lock is killing this game.
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>>541549928
the EU servers would be dead without Russians
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>>541548629
I think anyone that can outrun or out-sustain his spin, so like Spirit Breaker, Slardar, or Weaver or something
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>>541549832
I play both support and core. Why shouldn't I stack, I stack I gank other lanes I try to stay a proactive support
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>>541550117
No, they would be more alive than ever as Europeans would play more. Rusnigs are killing EU.
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theres so many russians you can have both end of the spectrum, good and bad
what i'd like to see out of europe servers is mena and iranians. you have them on your team it's already over
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>>541551447
if every russian and slavic subhuman got banned on the internet the game quality would shoot up 1000%
the only loss would be cs.rin
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If I'm new is it a better idea to play carry or support? Also, how does picking lane/role work? You just click a lane and hope nobody else argues with you over it?
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>wake up
>realize I dreamed of TobiWan casting some game finals at a mall in a 3rd world shithole
kek
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>>541550705
>the enemy team is making smoke ganks invading our triangle to steal the stacks
>Why shouldn't I stack
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>>541551247
you are crying about Russians because you've been playing dota exlusively. I've been playing league since season 3 with PVRE ARYAN WHITE EVROPEANS and guess what, the vast majority of the playerbase is dogshit at the game while also being toxic subhumans. Dota is way less toxic AND the people here actually are able to acknoledge their mistakes
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>>541554104
I don't care if they're bad, I'd rather have a bad human than a bad russian.
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>>541554104
poles are honorary subhumans
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>>541554318
you seem to be just as retarded as the normies playing league, you should check that game out
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>>541554539
Cry about it rusnig. No one likes rusnigs.
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>>541553565
>>541553565
>If I'm new is it a better idea to play carry or support?
Carry requires no brains. Just learning to last hit and farming and learning to press your hero's and items' buttons. Support has 20 things going on all games so you shouldn't start on support IMO. New players get shunted on support and do jackshit all game and don't get to have fun and I don't think it's a great way to start playing Dota unless you already have a lot of MOBA experience playing support already.

>Also, how does picking lane/role work? You just click a lane and hope nobody else argues with you over it?
Yes. They will probably argue sometimes and it will suck. But you're in the new player pool / herald MMR so it won't matter. Do whatever, and enjoy having a license to clown around.
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>>541532262
the heroes that dont buy bottle are ones with no mobility and/or aren't mana hungry. it has nothing to do with hp regen
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Do you think people who first pick Pudge because they want him to get double picked and banned understand that when they end up playing Pudge and throwing the whole game, Pudge isn't actually OP and they're just dogshit players who got outplayed
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>>541543189
>>541544513
That true. What dota does have is "low prio queue", which is basically people that get reported a lot are forced to play with other retards that got reported a lot until they stop acting like a fuckwit.
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>>541553565
Play both. Learning carry(core) and support teach you different things and you'll improve much quicker.

You have to play a 100hr of unranked before you even unlock ranked, so just focus on learning the basics.
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Can they nerf huskar into the deepest dumpster so retards will stop picking him?
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>>541554839
Im not a Russian but I doubt that you are White with IQ this low
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>>541557681
Hard to believe since not a single soul likes playing with russians, not even russians
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>>541556885
Dealing with Huskar would be easier if people realized that all you have to do is pretend he doesn't exist. He gets Armlet + Blink and wants to fight, and idiots try to fight him instead of avoiding and split pushing the lanes he isn't in.
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I press turbo and pick rubick
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>>541557681
>defends rusnigs
>b b but im not a rusnig!
lmao
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>>541557782
can you specify whats wrong with russians then? that guy just keeps calling them russnigs like some deranged nafo tranny
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>>541559654
every single one of them is a mannerless subhuman that abuses cheats/scripts and generally acts like someone you'd kick in the dick irl
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>>541559769
i dont think ive encountered a cheater once while playing this game
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we rape your games and grief for fun and you cant do nothing about it fagot)))))))
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>>541559860
maybe you should look at your monitor then
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>>541559930
so you are just shit at the game and people who are better are cripting huh? what 3rd world shithole are you from?
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>>541560108
not russia comrade
da
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>>541559930
nta but i can only recall one confirmed cheater out of my 6000 or so games, some faggot that picked arc warden with automatic instant cast scripts. worst part was that he was in a 5 stack so he couldnt be reported as much, absolute subhuman behaviour
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>>541559654
>can you specify whats wrong with russians then?
Refusing to communicate in any language other than Russian, even if the people they are trying to communicate with don't speak Russian.
I queue up in Europe West only, with only English as the selected language. I'm not from the United Kingdom, but I understand that if I don't speak English I won't be able to communicate with my fellow Europeans as the continent has 20+ languages.

In 4500 hours of Dota I have never heard or seen someone talking in Italian. Or Greek. Or Spanish. Or Portuguese. Or... I've heard/seen French, German and Danish a single digit amount of times.
And yet, without fail, Russians will queue up on Europe West with English as the selected language and refuse to communicate in any language that isn't Russian. When they do I'll politely write "sorry friends I don't speak Russian" and maybe 10% of them would be cool and say "alright friend, English is fine" and speak/write in English, while the other 90% will continue to try (and fail) to communicate in Russian.
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>>541559654
Everyone knows rusnigs grief, cheat, refuse to speak english, and are generally terrible at this game with a very low testosterone and high estrogen mentality. Everyone hates them, and thanks to them Europeans are quitting dota. Region lock, or better yet a total ban of rusnigs, would cause the player count to increase. Rusnigs refuse to admit this and their only counterargument is that they play on EU servers, admitting that they are not only wrong but also fucking retarded.
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>>541560642
Why do they insist on playing on EUWest when they have both EUEast and their own Russian server?
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>>541560782
Everyone hates them, including themselves. Also they queue all servers because they think that makes the queue faster, complete nigger behavior.
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541560642
stop responding to me subhuman
>>541560628
there are "people" playing league that do the same, spanish, french, southern slavs, nationality doesnt really matter. also I dont really understand this point, a lot of my teammates in Dota dont type at all and if anyone is using vc there is like 80-90% chance it's a Russian. I just mute them if they keep talking exclusively Russian
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>>541561984
>if a teammate doesnt speak i just assume he is russian in a continent with 800 million people and 200 languages
>in the europe west server when english is the only selected language
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>>541562443
what? did you even read my post?
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>>541562780
No
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>>541562780
Yes, I just confidently misunderstood it.
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>>541561984
Seethe rusnig.
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>>541563058
alright, but I wanted to mention one more thing
>but I understand that if I don't speak English I won't be able to communicate with my fellow Europeans
you are obviously right, im also a Euro ESL and think the same. but I had many games with strict soloq on with 4 Russian teammates who would speak Russian. At that point I cant even be mad that they dont speak English. They are a big part of the playerbase, Id even go ahead and say that they are the majority on Euro servers.

Not related to your post but more of an overall assumption, in league eastern euros play on euw mainly due to the pros/streamers playing there. I'd guess it's the same reason why Russians prefer euw
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>>541561984
>doesn't capitalize Spanish or French
>capitalizes russian
Try harder next time rusnig
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>>541563975
>but I had many games with strict soloq on with 4 Russian teammates who would speak Russian. At that point I cant even be mad that they dont speak English
Biggest cuckold on euw award
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>>541564230
i didnt want to capitalize multiple words in a single sentence, seething retard
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can we stop replying to this trolling retard and post marci lewds instead
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>>541565059
There haven't been any new Marcis in awhile
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>>541563975
>I had many games with strict soloq on with 4 Russian teammates who would speak Russian. At that point I cant even be mad that they dont speak English
When that happens I usually say something like "sorry friends I don't speak Russian" followed by "if you need anything from me please English" like if they want me to go do something. Stuff like Roshan or pinging the Smokes in my backpack are clear but other things may require verbal communication and if they want me to participate they can't ask in Russian since I won't understand.
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helenalive is live!
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I've just realized that I only play melee heroes and haven't played a ranged hero in a long time.
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>>541569310
>>541524354
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>>541569310
What position do you play?
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>>541569586
1 or 2 usually
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>>541569704
I can understand that for pos 1, I had the same problem, but there are so many cool ranged mids.
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>pos4 picks a melee hero that has like zero impact at start like Spirit breaker or magnus
What kind of heroes do you even pick as a pos3 when this happens? Most ranged can't really solo a lane well, but if you pick another melee into the lane chances are you will be even more fucked.
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>>541569891
viper
razor
wr
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>Dendi (former top dota pro) and Grubby (world champion RTS gamer) can easily get 6k+ MMR in Dota
>could not even get plat in LoL'
>Forsen gets plat in LoL playing a few weeks
Are Dota players bad at vidya or something?
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>>541528598
>Remove kez.
im pretty sure even if kez becomes an ultra OP hero no one would pick him either way. his design (visual and gameplay) is so dogshti that I feel like no one wants to pick him ever.
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>>541570115
not autistic enough for league
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>>541570093
Viper is kind of good, but you often lack proper cc/initiation if you pick him, and it forces you to pick the poison vomit spell and push lanes/farm-jungle, making it s you're not active until later.
Razor won't get shit for farm and can't really jungle well until lvl 7.
WR works I guess unless the enemy team have good CC/Lockdown
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will dota see another "golden age" like before or is it just gonna be a slow decline until irrelevance?
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>>541570383
we are still in our second golden age
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>>541569891
Can someone please explain how to play a melee POS 4/5? It's pretty obvious that over the past few years melee support players have declined in quality and need reeducation
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gorgc is being passive aggressive to his teammate
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Is it me or Hoodwink is a free win in my trench?
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Megamente locked into another tournament
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>>541571842
she's def a sleeper despite what brainlets say
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mason is watching gorgc being passive aggressive to his teammate
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>>541569891
>SB
Double melee is fine, Spirit Breaker is going to roam a lot anyways so you just want someone who can reliably solo a lane (or fall back to jungle if not).
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mason on clinkz
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>>541457357
tl;dr
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>>541571451
Open with bracer/tango (or gauntlet+circlet and something else instead of the bracer recipe if you're feeling fancy) and slap the enemy core around/get denies for the first level or two until your spells come online.
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I like playing melee pos4 but I hate playing WITH them. They never drag the waves, they dont stack so that I can recover, I'm lucky if they are going to pull creeps. It's basically a 1v2 lane where I can only seethe internally as all my nigger "support" does is soak exp to leave the lane once they hit their powerspike, usually level 6
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>>541457357
isn't this what Lewis already reported and posted early in thread?
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mason sucks now. I'm watching draskyl
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>>541581451
but he's only playing deadcock
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>>541581843
flopping tranny deadcock
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>>541582059
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question: is Lanaya's cock cut or uncut?
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>>541582845
shes a girl though
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>>541582845
horsecock
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what if there was an ability that worked like bloodseeker ult but it removed mana isntead of HP?

What if there was an ability like bloodseeker ult but it removes HP when you stay still??
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>>541570115
whatever happened to grubby? is he back to Dota 2? I remember he gave up on dota for some unknown reason
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>>541583228
>for some unknown reason
He said it made him toxic and he didn't like how he was behaving in his games.
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>>541583549
lmao I remember now, he was also carried by snipers and could only manage pos 5 retard heroes
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chinese wallachia qualifier reverse bo5 sweep

also mostly literal who's which is kinda cool. tearlaments too but i think it's mostly team aster players so slightly less literal who.
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>>541584460
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>>541581843
exactly
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>>541583114
>what if there was an ability that worked like bloodseeker ult but it removed mana isntead of HP?
keeper of the light used to have this
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I had a huge winstreak but I see a lot of LCs in the enemy teams now, guess that's over. Disgusting nigger hero
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>>541585550
unpicked and unbanned in TI btw
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lol
lmao even.
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>>541586185
>reborn
>11 years ago.
It was 10, not 11.
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>>541586185
literal biggest griefer in all of dota history, its not even physically possible to ruin as many games as this man did with his dogshit guides
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>>541584460
He started to main pos4 later and was just 24/7 shooving lanes
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>>541586469
I had 3 back to back games with offlane bristleback with the SAME build, and guess what.
It was the torte de reddit guide.
Vanguard into magical line up. Very fucking useful.
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>>541586185
>Guides were never based on my skill
>implying they could be worse
kek
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I feel like Ogre is so mediocre, am I missing something?
He is alright on lane, not too good not too bad but falls off so bad. Once you get aghs you become a hero again but I feel really dependant on my teams. It feels like this hero doesnt have that much presence in the game, he is ok to have on your team but thats it
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mason is 0/8 on slark
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>>541587184
BASADO
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>>541591129
she cute
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dotard
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How is mason such high MMR when he sucks at the game? Same as gorgc
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https://www.twitch.tv/rostislav_999/clip/BlushingAdventurousHarePupper-F6FNGeqPWVnlu3p_
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>>541593692
mason hasn't been good at the game by quite a few years now, he almost always get carried and the few games where he does actually carry can be credited more to the enemy team than him
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Quelling blade is the single most overrated item in the game
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>>541570115
Forsen is still in driftwood even after playing the game for like 2 years. What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>541597197
Should they let it kill wards again?
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>>541597383
Every time you use it on a ward it adds 0.1s of channeling time to the next active use
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>>541584714
you couldnt die from running out mana
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>>541600227
Just like in real life...
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Enchantress hooves
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>>541601050
I'd let her sharpen my spear if you know what I mean
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Mars is so fucking trash in lane
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>>541601242
I swear there's a handjob picture with her but I can't find it
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>>541528598
so you want to dumb the game down lol just say you cant keep up anymore thats fine
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>>541597197
Fuck off, even disregarding the fact that given hero attack swings and that creeps hit each other for double digits amount of damage and adding creep hp regen into account it's defo going to make up for it's own 50 sell value difference, the uses in juking (and denying juking) and minmaxing farm patterns are massive
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mason is playing marvel rivals
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Mason is playing with my asshole
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>get rusnigs on team
>lose
Region lock when?
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nanachi is streaming and playing pugna
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>>541443445
>core WR games where I lost usually were like 4k damage max
thats less than 20 powershots are you even playing the game? i used to spam WR before they debuffed windrun and i throw that much powershots before the lane ends
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>>541445897
if you want max damage jsut go maelstrom or crystalis first item
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>>541611089
Talking about arcana damage, with the ult, not total hero damage.
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>>541511912
because you are bad at the game and no one is commending you after. get gud
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>>541521406
i refuse to believe anyone smurfing doesnt know how to play those heroes
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Your stuns weren't nerfed enough dotards
here, let me helpf :^)
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>>541609332
omg i love her
nanachi is cute too i guess
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>>541609332
>>541613215
>20 year old single mom
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>>541613702
Y O K O H A M A
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timezone needs to last 7/8/9 seconds and void needs to be able to move it at least once during the duration
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>>541615440
Also Faceless Void needs to be louder and have access to a time machine
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>>541584603
lol
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>come back to the game after like 7 years
>play a handful of turbo to get back into the rhythm of things and learn what the new buildings/camps do
>throw myself at ranked
>10 matches done but still at 6% ranked confidence
>do 3 more
>still at 6%

I've consistently been getting matched with high guardian/low crusader so I'm not sure what the deal is.
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void needs a third facet that freezes everyone else on the map for 1-2 seconds. not stunned but just frozen unless void stuns them with time lock or something.
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sniper needs a facet that gives him shotgun ult with 400 aoe or whatever it was
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>still no new hero
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>>541616490
wasnt chrono global in some ancient version of allstars?
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>>541617626
Marci is nude oftentimes
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>>541586185
JESUS CHRIST THIS IS WHO MY GUIDES CAME FROM?
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>>541586185
wasn't that back when pro players were 6k?
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>>541617861
>Is a vtumor
>Is retarded
Like pottery
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>>541618324
no LMAO
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>>541618324
Fuck no, pro players were like 11k back then already.
You are thinking of ti 1-4 era where the highest pro palyers was like 7k
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>>541620812
i wasnt really sure when the mmr inflation started hitting
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>>541620934
Look up which battle pass introduced the MMR double down and theres your answer.
MMR was always bound for inflation because there was never a decay system introduced or seasonal reset.
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https://www.twitch.tv/blackmeier/clip/PiercingLachrymosePeafowlWow
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>>541622587
HOLY BASED!
GOODBYE MASON
HELLO MR BLACK
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>>541621293
Resets don't stop inflation, just makes it a time limit race. Double downs are too abuseable.
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I need to fucking vent somewhere I'm sorry. I can't fucking TAKE IT ANYRMOE
This motherfucking dogshit game. This fucking hell. I win 1 game. I lose 3 games. I win another. I lose 4. I win 1 times. I lose 5. Every motherfucking time I get decent players on m yteam and a I commend them all I never EVERE EVER EVER EVER FUCKING SEE THEM ON MY TEAM. BUT IN THOSE 3 LOSSES I SEE ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS PREMUTE FUCKING RETARDS THAT GRIEF WITH PICKS, CAN'T FUCKING PLAY OR ARE JUST DOGSHIT
WHY
WHYU
WHGY
I DO MY BEST
I PICK META HEROES
I STAY QUIET
IT DOESN"T MATTER
NOTHING FUCKIING MATTERS IT DOESNT MATTER HOW O PLAY OR WHAT I PICK
THER ESULT IS ALWAYS THE MOTHERFUCKING SAME
1 WIN 3 LOSSES
-1200 MMR
UNIRONICALLY WENT FROM 6400 TO 5200 NO FUCKING JOKE
I'M NOT PERFECT BUT BY FUCKING GOD I USUALLY WIN MY LANE AND I WANT TO MAKE PLAYS I SMOKE AND GANK AND REACT AND TP
HOW DO I START WINNING IN THIS SHIT GAME
HOW
HOW
HOIW

AND
ULTIMATELY
I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE
AND I END UP AT 4000 COMMUNICATION SCORE
AND THE AUDACITY OF THIS NIGGERFAGGOT RETARD GFAME FOR SUBHUMANS TO SEND ME INTO LOW PRIO AFTER ANOTHER LOSS STREAK
FOR
COMMUNICATION REPORTS
A WHOLE FUCKING DAY WASTED
A WHOLE SLEEPLESS NIGHT|
I'm crashing out. I'm melting down. I genuinely cannot cope with this. I cannot believe what this SHIT GAME DOES TO ME
I SWEAR IF I GET MY IMMORTAL MEDAL BACK I QUIT FOREVER
I WILL FUCKING DELETE ALL MY ITEMS, DELETE THE GAME AND NEVER TOUCH IT AGIAN
PLEASE GOD JUST LET ME FUCKING START WINNING
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>>541624038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
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>>541624038
Yeah I lost 1k mmr over the last couple of weeks too
Don't worry about it, you'll get it back
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>>541624038
How HOW how HOW HOWHOWHOWHO THE FUCK DO I WIN IN THISI GAME
EVERY GAME IT"S FUCKING SOMETHIING
8/10 GAMES GUARANTEED THAT MY POS 4 LEAVES THE LANE FOR NO REASON AND FEEDS
MY MID IS 0-4-0
CLOWN PICK ON POS 1 LOSES LATEGAME
ALWAYS ALWAYS FUCKING SOMETHING COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF MY CONTROL AND INFLUENCE
I AM BEGGING THOSE PEOPLE AT THE START OF GAMES TO PICK META HEROES AND TRY TO WIN
IT DOESN"|T FUCKING MATTER THE OUTCOME IS ALWAYS THE FUCKING SAME WIN-LOSS-LOSS-LOSS-WIN-LOSS-LOSS-LOSS

I CANNOT FUCKING CALM DOWN
I NEED TO GO NEXT
I NEED TO WIN A GAME
BUT I CANT
BECAUSE
I CANT QUEUE
FOR 24 HOURS
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wat dis nigga be yappin bout?
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>>541624038
>>541624742
relax your anus
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>>541624038
Maybe it's time to start making friends and hoping you get a friend stack.
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How do I fix my account
How do I wipe all metadata tied to my account that makes matchmaking such ABYSMAL FUCKING DOGSHIT
Ever since dotalabs FUCKED with this system and introduced the heckin' chungus match rating system
The players that I commend NEVER FUCKING EVER show up on my team again
The players that I dislike and premute ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS end up being on my fucking team again when they get pushed out of the avoid list in favor of more recent griefing animals

Will it take 100 turbo games??? 300?????
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>>541624742
>>541624038
Lol calm down mmr is like a stock we are in a bear run atm i even lost 300 mmr and my report page from the start of October is laughable but after a massive fall its a big climb
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>>541627614
>i even lost 300 mmr
Fuck off nigger
That is fucking nothing
What the fuck
That's like 3 games
You don't have to try to make me fucking angrier I literally can't sleep because I'm seething for the past 2 hours
I'm so fucking tired of factors out of my control losing my fucking game
It doesn't matter what I do
It doesn't matter what I pick
It doesn't matter how I play
THE END RESULT IS WIN-LOSS-LOSS-LOSS
HOW THE FUCK CAN I CLIMB BACK UP WITH A 25% WINRATE
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>>541611245
I try to if I think I can get away with it but a lot of the time not rushing something like Vessel is griefing my team.
I wish other aspects of playing the hero (double shackles, powershot max range kills, etc.) were rewarded with arcana progression other than just Focus Fire Damage. As it is, it's practically impossible to unlock the style if you play support WR and not core WR.
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Cancelled my Dota plus. Can't believe I was paying these worthless fucking campo santo niggers for rigged matchmaking even a single broken cent. Avoid list does nothing anyways. You blacklist 4 fucking subhuman Iranian animals, 12 more take their place.
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>>541628051
>As it is, it's practically impossible
I think you're going down a bad state mentally over this.

When I did it last year while spamming core WR, I gave myself a hard schedule and stressed out for weeks in trying to make it work. I noticed that I averaged about 10k damage a game, so I said aim for 50k a day, and 250k a week. 10 weeks later, I'll be done. EASY.

It was not easy.
It was still an approximate 250 games I had to play and that is a fuckton of WR games. Took me more like 12 weeks instead of 10 because some days I just got tired of it all and stopped playing for a week (aka. burn-out). It was also like 3-5 WR games of Dota a day and I was losing sleep over it queuing to make quota and had no real free time. If I had to do it again, I would but I also would give myself double the time to do it because 250k a week was bad. But also, when I had those burn-out weeks, that was me stopping myself before I had REAL burn-out that would make me stop playing WR or Dota for years (again). Tempo and pacing is always important when running a marathon. You want to last long enough to complete it.

It's been a year since I finished the arcana. I'm at 4 mil damage now. I haven't played WR as much since the nerfs and also because I have to play against more and more people spamming Blademail and making my life miserable. I'm not saying this to brag but saying that when I took it slow and stopped giving a shit, I still got 1.5 mil damage over a year. So, my advice is to just take it easy and stop worrying about it. It sucks that you won't finish in weeks, but it beats stressing out over the grind and burning out and hating the thing you grinded for.

This shit is designed for people who play a lot of Dota like we all do here. Not for casuals who play FOMO events one week at a time. So just enjoy the arcana, grind what you can when you can, and don't stress out over it too much. You'll get the unlock eventually. It's "only" 600 games instead of 250.
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>>541630435
I appreciate sharing your experience with it. On days that I can play I usually have the time for 2~4 games in general so it will take a long time, and I can't get WR in every game. It's unfortunate that it might take 1~2 years to get it but you're right that it's a marathon and not a race and I shouldn't stress over it.
Would be nice if she got a buff next patch. Blademail really is making it a lot more difficult too.
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>>541624038
>>541624742
This is why i come to /d2g/
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>>541584569
Tearlaments keep getting second in qualifiers. It doesn't matter who it is, they just can't get to a main event. Such a pity, tearlaments is my favourite yugioh deck.
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Quelling and BF should do % increased damage again.
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How are you supposed to play fights as Chen?
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Low immortal shitter here, played with a few high immortal (500 or less) friends. The game feels alien at that point. It's like a whole different game. Am I just bad?
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rate me
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>>541635580
>plays rooftrellen
>no MPVs
Checks out!
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>>541622587
This guy got a Singapore PR, he's set for life.
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>>541635580
based/10
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>>541634586
Ask your friends
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>>541634586
Depends on your role. If you're support it should still be largely the same game, only surviving is harder (but you should know how to survive well enough by there).
If it's mid yeah it's a whole different game. Pos 2 players above 7000 MMR are not human beings.
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are there any plant champions besides treeant protector and nature's prophet
i was watching some league of legends zyra gameplay and thought about dota for some reason
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>>541642121
dark willow
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>>541645795
sex
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>>541645795
I need a roguelike dota game so bad now
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https://voca.ro/165zZEJL1sh1 El Capitan impersonation
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>>541407083
Bro.. tortedeline has lost it...
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>>541648591
jewish paranoid schizophrenia on display here boys
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>>541648591
His current guide for jugg blade dance is just a plug for his twitch channel and begging for subscriptions lol
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Me doing fun non-meta builds in my games
> :((((
Streamers doing meme funny builds in their games
>:D
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>>541650958
you're not topson sis
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>>541650958
I always find it funny how ceb constantly bitches at his teammates while topson is doing some absolutely retarded shit in the mid lane.
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>>541650618
post picture
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>>541651470
just go in demo mode and check for yourself
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>>541651496
im on phone
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>>541651265
Even more funny is when topson bitches about his team when he does a meme build with zero impact
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>>541651681
i think he's done a meme build every time i turned on the stream
does he actually do it every single game?
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>>541651943
Not every game. Some heroes like invoker he will play normally.
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>>541634586
Low immortal to high immortal is a wider skill gap than herald to immortal
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>>541631264
Unless they return windrun slow im afraid WR will never be as good as she was before
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>>541634586
How different is the gameplay
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>>541656956
They need to revert the Universal stat gain nerf.
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Why do I NEVER EVER EVER EVER see the players that I commend on my team in consecutive matches?

My experience with the Dota 2 matchmaking system in 2025 has been astronomically abysmal. I went down in MMR from 6400 to 5200 now and it keeps getting worse and worse and worse. It's the same downward spiral pattern every time. I win one game with good players, I commend them all and - POOF- they're gone! Removed from the player pool for my matchmaking algorithms!
But what do I see on MY team ALWAYS? Players that have been muted before. Players that slipped out of the avoid list because I put others in there. Players that I DEFINITELY clicked the Dislike button on - and that button seems to be a MAGNET for assigning them to my team.
And then I lose 3 games in a row. I win another one. I lose 4. I win once more. And lose 5 matches. Again and again and again it keeps happening. Good players one game, no complaints, no toxic bullshit, 4 commends, and IMMEDIATELY after that game - you guessed it: premuted teammates. At least in 3 games in a row. WHY can't it EVER be the people that I just had an enjoyable game with? WHY does matchmaking insist to PUNISH EVERY SINGLE HARD-EARNED VICTORY by assigning me griefers (who grief in subtle ways that won't net them Overwatch penalties, of course) directly after that victory??

8/10 of my matches, THIS IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION 80%, are of absolutely ABYSMAL quality, no matter what the Dotalabs prompt shows before game start regarding predicted match quality. The whole "smart" algorithm that is supposedly meant to improve match quality is some pathetic joke. I've played this game since 2012 and this year has been the WORST experience I've had with it BY FAR.

I cancelled my Dota plus because it's just a pointless system and a placebo. You avoid 4 griefers; 12 more take their place. More often than not the same ones that you've pushed out of your avoid list by adding new ones.
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Bard Frog will drop in November update

t. I've been hearing things
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what happened to "lame as a niggers baby" tobi
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>>541658753
>woman acts like a whore and instantly opens her legs to him
>it's his fault for not instantly marrying her
a glass of water can btfo a woman
truly the mistakes of creation
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>>541658753
between this and ball sniffer no wonder only slavs still play
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Tobi's last statement.
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>>541659004
isn't he the one saying they were together or something
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>>541659004
And this is the crime that Zyroi committed.
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>>541659004
he was all too happy to throw grant under the bus
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>>541659004
And somehow I'm in the wrong for basically being a social hermit
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>>541659194
>muh law muhfugga
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>>541659697
>Not wanting to be in a relationship
>Drugging people
Now you're acting like a woman treating these as remotely the same thing.
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>>541659194
good thing Australias a nanny state so he can be jobless for the rest of his life
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>>541660347
you have no problem believing her
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>>541660572
His wife's family is super rich, he'd have been fine even without that.
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>>541660680
he failed as a businessman so of course he needs his wife's money to survive
sad
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>get rusnigs on team
>lose
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>>541660867
I actually prefer Russians now after exclusively queueing on EU west. They tryhard and on principle play well.
Br*tish and G*rmans are actually even more disgusting human beings overall from my experience. You just don't see them as frequently, but I'm willing to bet they have a more negative impact on match quality per capita.
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>>541661137
>They tryhard and on principle play well.
They give up and go jungle the second something goes wrong, and they refuse to speak the language of the server they're on. Never seen a Brit or Germ refuse to speak English.
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>>541659004
Wasn't it because he pressured some woman to allow him to remove a condom mid-act after he agreed to use it? or am I remembering some other guy.
Anyways that is a very nigger-like behavior. I'm sure a credo like that follows someone everywhere in life. Everyone was just tired of dealing with some australian subhuman who reneges what was agreed upon after 5 minutes and ofc that he must've acted that way in dota games too and hard griefed by farming on support.
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Visage support kinda sucks in the late game, huh? Everyone gets so much magic resistance that your W barely does anything
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>Reports: 1
>Comms reports: 8
>24h ban, low priority and -1000 behavior score
And the audacity of the nigger at Steam support saying that my account got the restriction "based on an Overwatch report"
The match ended around 5:30AM. The ban was immediate. SOMEONE out there just COINCIDENTALLY TOTALLY reviewed the match footage on a Monday morning at 5:30 AM, immediately banning me and sending me into low prio. Totally. Really. That's definitely what happened. Uh huh. The system isn't some dogshit automation that just bans you when your account gets the "excessive reports" flag, no matter what type of reports they are. It's all Overwatch and totally reviewed. :^)
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>>541659194
fucking legend
the hype about comp. dota died with tobi
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>>541661853
The overwatch was for the previous match dumdum.
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>>541661389
According do Tobi, he asked the woman if he could remove it and she said yes.
According to the woman he didn't ask and just removed it.

No evidence of course, just his word against hers. Could also be an innocent misunderstanding with no malice from either side, like maybe he did ask but she didn't hear and he thought she nodded or verbally said "fuck yes!" or something mid sex.
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>>541662350
Nope. You can see which match ID gets you the ban via the game data. It's the "excessive reports" one that has an immediate deduction of 1000 behavior score.
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>>541662541
Well why did you grief?
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can the jannies ban the rusnigs spamming nafo subhuman?
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>>541662212
tobi was already desperately trying to cash out long before then
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>>541662357
>No evidence of course, just his word against hers.
you have no problem believing a woman that grant drugged her
where are the formal charges against grant?
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>>541663287
>you
I'm just sharing the details I remember don't attack me...
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>>541663362
you are defending a man accused of sexual assault and pretending like the victim is too blame
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>>541663539
I said it's possibly a complete misunderstanding with no malice on either side. That's what I think likely happened.
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>>541662707
Do you even read? I did not. I never grief. Not even in subtle lanes to skim around Overwatch reviews (tee hee no I'm not griefing by picking a clown hero mid, I'm really trying my best here mr Overwatch reviewer :3)
I only lash out in chat at the subhuman griefing animals when they do subhuman griefing animal things.
That doesn't matter. Excessive communication reports can still net you punishment equal to just straight up abandoning the game.
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>>541663678
I don't believe you.
Stop griefing if you don't want to get reported.
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>>541663657
someone got their feelings hurt
its not a misunderstanding
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>>541663767
I don't give a fuck what you believe in nigga.
The objective reality is thus:
>Match count: 15
>Positive matches: 14
>Reports: 1
>Comms reports: 8
I got low priority and -1000 behavior score solely for the comms reports in one game. That's the reality of the Dota 2 punishment system. I have empirical evidence.
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>chronosphere
>is a dome
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>>541664178
You griefed really hard that game huh
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>>541664369
Stay right where you are, I'm on my way to grief your asshole even harder
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>>541664178
is it really that hard
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>>541664596
I can take 1 bad game. 2 even. In a row, even.
But when 8/10 of your games include some variety of a griefer, afk jungle boy, 0-6-0 mid account buyer, a support that's somehow above 5k and doesn't know how to pull, etc. etc and they are EXCLUSIVELY on your team, and you get stomped pathetically easily but have to try EXTREMELY hard to tear the wins out of the system you lose patience pretty fucking fast
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>>541664561
See, this is why I'm certain you actually griefed.
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>>541664596
Once you get out of the peak of behavior score it is nigh impossible to get games with a completely clean slate of 0 reports.
"People" will report you for virtually anything. The enemy team will report you for role abuse because you picked their counter.
You're basically stuck.
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>>541661853
That was me btw :)
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>>541665318
one report against in a single game doesnt do anything
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>>541663678
>I only lash out in chat at the s--
And there it is, the actual reason. You are 100% fucking it up for yourself. Nothing else matters. Stop doing that.
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>>541665262
See, for that reply, I'm not bringing any lube.
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>>541666209
>Excessive communication reports can still net you punishment equal to just straight up abandoning the game.
Are you stupid? I flat out admitted this already.
Pray tell me what is the fucking point of separating behavior and communication score if you get the EXACT same automated punishment for comminication that you get for abandoning a game?

>You deserved it for being toxic :^)
Peak Reddit reply
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>>541663678
post the match id
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>>541666749
abandoning one game doesnt give you low pro
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>>541666749
Who are you quoting? Because those weren't the words I said.

I said you were fucking it up for yourself. Huge difference.
I get reported and bitched out a fuckton in my games but I still maintain 12k bs/cs because I engage them *ZERO* times. They bitch, they moan, they call for reports on me, blahblahblah, but when I don't pay them a single bit of attention and just play to the end, they either lose steam and don't report, or I don't get more than one report so the system ignores it. But once you start clapping back, even if it's deserved, not only will you get reported, other players who are silently watching can report you too. I do that sometimes. Because when there is ONE bitch bitching non-stop in a losing game, I only report him. But when there's a second or third spaz just sperging out non-stop in chat with the first one and they get nothing done, I report them too.

I understand the urge. We're only human. I sit there typing out paragraphs into the chat all the time BUUUUUUUUUT I always stop myself before I hit Enter. I never engage. No matter how greatly I need to punch them in the face over the internet. This is just the bare minimum of chat discipline you need to get through this shit. You won't get it instantly; I used to argue and bitch people out all the time. But eventually you realise it's just never worth it and your body responds to the thought too.

You can't talk to them even 1% of the time. Not even acknowledge that you're reading their shit. They are trolling, for the dictionary definition of the word. They say shit to get a reaction out of you so they can bitch you out more, and then report you, just to hurt you, because they know you care.
It has to be 0% of the time.
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everyone just sleeps on meteor hammer for silencer
the day will come
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>>541661742
Youre just bad at micro
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>completely stomp a game
>notice this from the enemy team while going over the scoreboard
Poor guy. I feel a little bad for him.
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>>541665905
in the post that guy's quoting, you can see a 12k behavior score player still lost behavior score despite only getting a single report in 15 games on the 4th line
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>>541669140
he shows 2 reports in that statement
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>>541669262
?? the 4th line clearly only has 1?
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>>541669498
in the 9th line
which didnt do anything
after the second report he lost 7 score
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>>541667656
cuckold
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>>541669592
I think that's a misinterpretation. You lose points after every report, but you gain points after every "positive" game. So the report that did nothing probably was like game #1 out of 15, and the negative points got erased, while the other report was like game #14 or #15 so there weren't enough positive games from it.

Valve shows you score changes in chunks of 15 games, but that doesn't mean they don't update it internally after every game.
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>>541669592
yeah because he regained it before the report hit, point being you do always lose score from just a single report
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>>541670936
>point being you do always lose score from just a single report
then why didnt he lose score in line 9?
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>>541667656
All of what you said is irrelevant.
Do you think that the system that separates behavior score and communication score with different punishment systems, BUT then punishes you as if your were breaching behavior score anyways for communication is fair?
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Now that dota2protracker is shit, what other site can i check on which heroes are good currently?
What's actually good in tournaments and what is good in the 7-8.5k shitpubs it displays is night and day
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>>541672745
dotabuff meta tracker
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>>541673018
>dotabuff meta tracker
>top winrate hero
>Meepo
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>>541672398
>Do you think that the system that separates behavior score and communication score with different punishment systems
the only difference is comm reports can also get you muted
griefing people on comms is griefing
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>>541673301
>griefing people on comms is griefing
Not according to the Dota 2 developers that explicitly separated the "communication griefing" from "griefing".
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>>541672742
what the...
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>>541673437
yet you serve low pro for only griefing people on comms like a griefer would
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>>541673018
this is ass, it doesn't pull from 8,5k+ games either
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>>541673790
nothing does anymore
why would you think that they could
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>>541673565
I didn't ask for "what is". I asked for whether you think the system is fair for being that way.
If I get punished on communication score by being muted so that the only thing I can do is ping the feeding retards death timers in impotent rage, so be it. I should NOT be getting low priority for that.
And, of course, how could we forget that any and all "communication griefing" is pathetically easy to avoid by just MUTING someone. A single click of a button and you cannot be "griefed" via communication anymore! Which is obviously not fucking possible for "standard" griefing methods, as you have no other influence on that player. We can therefore EASILY separate these two "griefing" methods as separate in magnitude and impact.
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>>541674178
>I asked for whether you think the system is fair for being that way.
because comms griefing IS griefing
valve agrees with that
stop griefing games
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>>541674405
>because comms griefing IS griefing
Wrong.
>valve agrees with that
Wrong.
>stop griefing games
I am not.
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>>541674483
go around yelling at random people in the face and tell me the results
do this to at least 100 people
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>>541674594
The clear difference here you retard is that random people in real life cannot shut down the entirety of my voice reaching them with the mere click of a button.
The other, even clearer difference, is that yelling at random people is not the same as beating the shit out of them or stealing their money (since we're using shit analogies already let's commit).
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>>541674178
You sound like an unpleasant person so yes I think it's fair, I have no problem with them deciding to put people like you into low priority, I have no interest in playing with someone who feels the need to sperg out and start insulting people when things don't go their way
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>>541673847
people always find a way
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>>541674852
Peak Reddit reply, thanks for confirming that you're a cucked faggot.
I'll take a toxic good player over a wholesome chungus "stay positive guys :)" that goes 0-6 any fucking day.
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>>541646481
this is megaman, retard
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>>541658050
>Why do I NEVER EVER EVER EVER see the players that I commend on my team in consecutive matches?
Did you try adding them as a friend afterwards and offering to party together in the future?
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>>541675080
Why does it have to be one or the other, I'd rather a nice, good player than a toxic one, something tells me you're not actually good enough anyways if you're constantly whining enough to get reported for it
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>>541645795
I was thinking of re-doing this.
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>>541674838
>The clear difference here you retard is that random people in real life cannot shut down the entirety of my voice reaching them with the mere click of a button.
if you could just mute someone like that you feel that gives you free license just to yell at everyone?
what is wrong with you
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>>541675226
Fuck no, that for gays and normies.
I just insult people on all chat and never ever use my mic.
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>>541665318
I'm 12k and I do this
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>>541675704
>that for gays
You have no gf and you play Dota with other males 24/7. Pretty sure you're gay already so might as well embrace being gay, and try to find people you like playing with.
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in 2030 there will be the first 50k mmr pro after they introduce the triple down token
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why do women play support
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>>541676242
Intellectually and physically (reflexes, muscle memory) inferior.
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>>541676242
Most of the cutest heroes are support obviously
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>>541671945
because he regained the score through commends before the 15th game of the "series".
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>>541677026
he had more commends from the line 4 yet lost score....
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>>541677246
believe it or not, sometimes events happen one after the other, instead of all at the same time.
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>>541677246
The first time he got reported in game 1 so had made up the miniscule amount it took away by the time the update came in, the second time he got reported in game 15 so it was shown right away. Whether that's what happened I don't know but it's an easy explanation to understand
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>>541677325
can you even prove that commends regain score?
i think there are nothing but placebo
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>>541676242
bubu plays mid
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>>541677721
no, I have no idea if it's commends or just games played, but that's besides the point that every report does reduce bh score
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>>541678059
my experience is its purely games played and whether or not you get reported and i have a lot of data on the subject
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>>541678159
ok well I'm sure u know more about it than I do I was just responding to the guy arguing that a single report does nothing.
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>>541678159
I wouldn't be surprised if they do nothing, they were in the game before the whole behaviour score thing and people just trade them anyways
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>>541678876
>that a single report does nothing
but we learned that they dont do anything
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tuned in a BSJ coaching session and it seems pretty serious
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>>541679227
that was about commends.
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>>541667656
This is kinda cucked. When I have issues with someone in game I just type 1v1 mid after game or you're not a man. If they do I win and take my emjoyment if they bow out I get to call them a weak pussy and they run away. If you are skilled at the game no amount of barking dogs, rats, or monkeys will be able to halt you.
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>>541679992
was it?
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>>541680054
most thirdie coded post of the day
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>>541682958
Just say youre not confident with your skills and cant back up your talk.
>>541680054
This is the only proper response to anyone typing you
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>>541663539
shut the fuck up redditard
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>>541685328
tobi was a redditor
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>>541663539
>accused
I accuse you of being a pedo rapist uh oh you're going to jail and if someone defends you they're in the wrong.
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>>541686104
ok, now get others to believe you
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>>541686182
Do the others have a caster cabal with incentive to kick you out of the scene for more casting gigs and money?
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>>541680054
Big "I just want to shake his hand" boomercuck energy from this post.
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>>541686638
euro ESL here, what's that supposed to mean? Shake whose hand?
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>>541686376
considering i have no connection to the cabal it probably wont help you
not so easy is it
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>>541686638
I'm 31. I just had a father so I learned how to settle my issues like a man.
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>>541686638
>>541687281
t. this nigga https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5XDJvbSlb3o
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>>541687342
t. someone that doesnt cry online about being bullied in dota 2 or how unfair the system is.
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>>541687197
The point is that the "others" for Tobi were people in the scene that had monetary incentive to get rid of him.
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>>541687450
indeed, I'm not a woman
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>>541687486
that is only because tobi himself allowed the cabal to be formed
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>>541680054
This is a pretty funny post all things considered
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>>541687541
You also don't know how to read.
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>>541687593
I have played dota 2 this way since release and I have only had good experiences and genuine conflict resolution resulting from it. If you can't do it because you think you'll lose you need to stop talking so much to players who can body you 1v1.
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>>541687767
Alright man take it easy, you seem flustered
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>>541687018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcz-rVPvL2Y

>get btfo
>demand somebody shake their hand, or 1v1 mid, or other irrelevant activity
>if they don't, they're not a real man so you're the REAL winner of the argument
>if they do, you forced them to obey a command so you're the REAL winner of the argument
Yes, it's as retarded as it sounds. You see this behaviour a lot in Burgerstan but the general "1v1 me mid faget" shit the Anon typed out in his post plays out the same way.
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>>541687839
I'm the only non mentally scarred person ITT actually since I work through my problems with the person that caused them on the basis of skill instead of whining online. If that bothers you so much are you one of my victims then? Or just the type to never have the balls to solve things? I'd call you a little dog that just wants to bark in game and when you flee the 1v1 it would be proven.
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>>541686182
People will believe the victim, as should you.
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>>541687606
t. a retard
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>>541688127
Alright bro. have a nice one
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>>541687767
t. 2k shitter
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>>541688020
lmao, I wonder what that was all about. Anglos are not human
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>>541680054
>>541687767
>>541688127
>>541687281
What leads people to become like this?
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>>541688020
Actually dotards don't respect skill unless you force them to. Even if I am 100/0 in game they can still babble retarded flames, to which I reply 1v1 mid or you're not a man. You are the type to either sit in game flaming back ruining the entire game or cuck yourself silently and just learn to like the abuse. Either way you're a pathetic loser. Keep coping about people from other countries though you xenophobic retard.
Just look at your little cope strawman lol, yes beating someone 1v1 means they outplayed you, since I am not going to sit there doing it 100x although I often allow runbacks to find out whose supremely better. Shaking someones hand has what to do with dota again? Can you even follow the conversation or have you been so bullied your mind has completely fallen apart into some xenophobic victim complex? It's a game, try not to be so mad. Solve your issues like a man. Or remain a whining, insipid retard. I don't care at all.
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>>541688725
The desire to not be a pathetic bot whining on /v/ about how hard it is to play a video game with other people. And no I don't care how much you samefag
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>>541688725
Lack of personality so they attempt to garner attention by acting retarded, common trait these days
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>>541688762
post your behavior score and mmr right now
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>>541688762
Sir, this is a Wendy's. I am not shaking your hand.
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>>541688937
I get the feeling a lot of people ITT have run away from 1v1s not surprising at all. Sorry I triggerd you so badly, enjoy muting yourself and bottling your rage until you became a chain griefer also. Many such cases.
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>>541688134
who is the victim here? or are you underage?
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>>541688725
Fatherless upbringing
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>>541689164
you need to chill bro, you have a chip on your shoulder from something and clearly lots of pent up tension. this isnt your trial and we dont care about your vindicative blogging, move along
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>>541689164
Yes yes repeat the same joke, I'm sure someone will laugh eventually
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>>541689009
No need, just 1v1 me mid or you're not a man.
>>541689201
>solving your problems by hiding and crying to unrelated people is fathered behavior
>calling out bullshit and demanding a test of skill to settle and resolve conflict, often offering an olive branch after the bad feelings are worked through, is fatherless behavior
For sure bro, let me know when he comes back with the milk.
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>>541689403
sure, post your steam profile
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>>541689403
Post mmr or admit defeat, sissy.
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>>541689403
post lobby bitch nigga



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