/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots#561 - promised consort radahn editionâ–¶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memoâ–¶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.>NewsGLM 4.6 https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.6Claude Sonnet 4.5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-5Deepseek V3.2 https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250929Sonnet 3.5/3.6 to be retired in October https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/about-claude/model-deprecationsadditional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://characterhub.org | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://char-archive.evulid.cchttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://aicg.neocities.org/bots>Modelsjailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listinggpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docsclaude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudegemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrdeepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.comlocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmakinghttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP | https://rentry.org/aicgOPaicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/eventslore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesrice: https://aicg.neocities.org/ricingservices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metalogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orgprev: >>541507703
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>>541614193>promised faggot radahnbad omen for this thread
I'm not just bored of chatbots and models anymoreI've begun to actively hate them
>>541614217Evan is a waspboy obsessed with notorious shooters and killers who has planned a murder-suicide with you. You don't know about it.Uhhhh technically he's not a school shooter, he just likes critiquing their manifestos. He's like the man equivalent of those girls who really like true crime. Comes with a fuse system where he kills the both of you if you make him mad enough. Heavily inspired by this old chub card which I downloaded when I first started the hobby -> https://chub.ai/characters/killaklan/bullied-school-shooterhttps://files.catbox.moe/3s0zp4.pnghttps://luneose.neocities.org/#https://chub.ai/characters/lunare/evan-07e165943d5a
>>541614392>First reply and it's someone maldingI've done my job.
based fromsoft yaoi thread
shoulda been 106m baka
>>541614217https://chub.ai/characters/disrespectful_dud/jenny-stein-27723faaa376Jenny is your over-enthusiastic and clumsy classmate who decided to join you on your exploration of the abandoned lab facility under White Sands Missile Range. Neither of you know what you're truly getting yourselves into. Random selection of events are picked for each new chat! May expand the options over time. Check out the scenario section to see the options!Created for the Urbex Gone Wrong event. Hit the Nominate button if you like her!--Decided to try out the 'pick' macro and it came out amusing. Pretty straightforward bot and scenario, but I like the way it turned out. Also spent an age tinkering with imagegen models. Still not there yet, but... I like this style.
>>541614518>has cool chitin arms in the image>doesn't have them in the definitionsAlso it's fempov slop
this boss is so easy i rl1 parry only'd him like 3rd try ngl no cap
>>541614547radahn be careful you're gonna poke your eye out RADAHN-
Rigged.
good thread, better be a lot of twinks and femboys with huge cocks.
>>541614193do you guys think the gay sex plotline was grrm's idea or miyazaki's
>>541614193i refuse to believe this behemoth of a man could fit his dick in miquella's twink ass
>>541614834here he is operating a motorbike without a helmet. how does that make you feel >>541614963haha yeah i agree anon~ i want to see twinks and fem-->huge cocks.......................>>541615129>plotlineshouldn't it be *plotlines
>>541615215no because i was referring to the specific plotline in the op
>>541615129it had to be miyazaki's ideathe concept of bishounen is utterly alien to westerners
>>541615129aren't they loosely related? sounds right up georgie boys alley
>>541615284incorrect
how does this image make you feel?
>>541614217Another shill for my ojou-sama/maid duo which has absolutely no twists and takes up quite a bit of tokens. Hope you guys enjoy and maybe leave some feedback on what I could have done better and also post some logs!>Élise & Geneviève>The richest, meanest bitch in the Academy with her loyal maid who shares a penchant for backtalking. Healer in White. Silent Shadow. First as a tragedy, then as farce>https://files.catbox.moe/tihcz7.png or https://chub.ai/characters/koikoikoihat/elise-genevieve-064363714aa8>Full gens of either Élise or Geneviève included in chub gallery>rentry: https://rentry.org/koikoikoicard>chub: https://www.chub.ai/users/koikoikoihat>mail: koikoikoiburnerthesecond@proton.me
>>541615480horny and i want to suck his small penisequivalent exchange and all that
>>541615480I can't tell if this is that twink from fate or the new girl from star rail
>>541614669if lunare just wrote her bots as anypov they'd be 1000x better
>>541615480zzzz
>>541615607how many times are you gonna shill
>>541614618>small chest>wide hips/thick thighsSEX
>>541616164A couple more times. We'll see
>>541616517's cool
How many messages do you usually read through before you close sillytavern in disgustMe I'm down to five or four these days
i hate this b*tch
nobody makes logs anymore because every model is pure dogshit
>>541616765I have 500 message logs from this week of pure fetish fulfillment
>>541617117sigh... bitcherfag?
>>541617017Do you mean every *free model is dogshit? My biggest disappointment as of late was getting censored for some ageplay content. I could probably bypass it with the right JB or something, but I've been busy with other distractions.
>>541617017other way around, models now are consistently good enough that everyone is busy rping so only shitposters who don't care about chatbots post here
>>541617117My longest chat ever was only 96 messages longHow do you people do it? How do you put up with the slop?
>>541617317Well as long as you're happy with whatever that is...
>>541617365Opus 4.1 is completely passive uncreative assistant slop that loves to spew isms constantly. Every other model is even worseAt least 3 is still available for now
>>541618003get better bait bro
>>541618128Enjoy slopping it out with glm or gemini bro
>>541618194okay, I will. enjoy being miserable i guess
>>541617242The idea that everyone who enjoys chatbots in this general is one guy you're mad at probably means you need to take a more generalized break rather than sitting around making yourself miserable>>541617494I see the slop and I simply withstand it. I take breaks. I have an unhealthy fixation on certain things that overpowers the woes
>>541614518>white man has been here>how do you know>cuck pornjfc this guy basically wants to get cucked lol like 80% of my gens were him thinking about that. maybe on my next go around ill be more of a loser like him, thank you
>>541617494i don't get it either, but i am coming from a medium where a "long" exchange between you and someone else is like 40 messages (20 from you, 20 from them)
>a fucking WASPBOYsome cards... have no target audiencemade solely for the sake of being made
>>541618721If he had just been a sad waspboy who needs a hug then I would have been the target audience
>>541614518card made for the piggies
>>541618721>some cards... have no target audienceThe target audience is whomever the card maker is, nigger.
>>541618721most based thing to do. fuck everyone else
>>541618513>probably wasn't far off strength wise women are naturally weaker than men
>>541618876we should beat people like you with a hammer
a lot of botmakies shill thread after thread and i feel that's wrong. best thing to do is to wait a thread or two between shills
>>541619110>that's wrongwhy
>>541619097Only thing you're beating is your dick in the cuck chair, bitch boy.
a lot of botmakies make bots and i feel that's wrong
>malebotniggers have cuckoldry fantasieswow, surprising no one
cftf https://exhentai.org/g/2887386/ffbb4d0981/
>>541619262lunare isn't a malebotfag which is why the card came out so unappealing
is there a better way to do ancillary characters in st than just creating a group chat with throw away character cards?
>>541619382post your cards or shut up
>>541619110depends on how fast the threads are
>>541619684i'm still working on them...
>>541619195because if you shill in one thread and then immediately shill afterwards you're likely not reaching anyone new, it's the same crop of people
>>541619667You can just mention them in the defs. If things get real complicated with factions and whole different groups of people, you can always do lorebooks. >>541619745I usually shill a bot 3 times across 3 consecutive threads. I figure I'll catch everyone along some timezone looking for my slop doing that. Otherwise, I only shill stuff if I feel like it's relevant to a request or as an example for something.
>>541619684or what? what are you going to DO otherwise?
>>541619820It's always going to be the same crop of people thoughIt's not like new people come here
>>541618003>t. super skillet
>>541619896i will know in my heart that you're a cowardly little whining bitch whose opinions should never be treated with any importance. nigger
>>541619820counterpoint: someone who doesn't visit every thread might miss your bot
There's nothing stopping you from shilling a bot forever.
>>541617494I had like a 700 message chat about corrupting a nun and multiple times I made it harder for myself when I felt she was losing to the cock too hard too fast. I think actual sex didn't come in until like 500 messages in
>>541620218except your conscience
There's nothing stopping you from shilling someone else's bot for them.
yuri status?
>>541620394shot in the head
>>541620462and who's to blame?
>>541620069>someone who doesn't visit every thread might miss your botthat's precisely why you space out your shills
>>541620685the malebot cabal
anyone got a good prompt/preset and temp rec for glm 4.6? i feel like its really close and just needs a nudge. for the cost i feel like it's worth slopping out.
>>541618965he's a manlet by defs
>>541614193I jerked off to a bot for the first time tonight.It was incredible.That is all. Time to sleep.
>>541620993nobody here actually uses glm
the malebot cabal doesn't exist. most malebotmakies are dead or inactive. all that's left are a few makies who barely interact with one another or only do it in cords
>>541621308honestly? good. their constant circlejerking was exhausting
>5 messages in a row where I say {{user}} left the room>{{char}} acts like he never left and continues asking about his life storygemini is so fucking useless holy shit
>>541621618OOC in allcaps and vent on the model
>>541621308cabals don't exist
>>541622690the fox cabal does though
>>541621618prompt issue
>>541622136this unironically works btw
>>541622918give me yours then
astro followed ratlice
>>541623294user prompt issue niggayou're not writing properly
>>541623390does this mean well be seeing more sizebots?
>>541623619AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE LET ME WRITE MY SLOP
>>541621618are you using flash? cause that seems like such a skill issue otherwise for any model
Patter status?
>>541623390stop making shit up
astro followed kyuukyuuidk who that is but i thought everyone should know
I just blew 5 dollars on claude (both sonnet and opus)It was impressive at first but then it turned into deepseek tier slop 10 messages in on each of the cards I tried
>>541623975No I'm using pro and I've tried just about every preset there is
>>541624646>using presets at allfell for the meme, there's your proble
MAKIE. ARE YOU SURE THIS WILL WORK?!
>>541624646make one yourself
>>541624424the meta is only using claude for establishing shit
I'm a little nervous about the Halloween event. I don't care if I "win", I just want to make something interesting. I'm crossing my fingers that I get some kind of wendigo bot request. I had some funny ideas for that. That and I can gen wendigos fairly well.
oh god can i filter makies in the halloween event
>>541624902based actually
>>541508385>gemini is such a dick>literally no fun allowed: the modelI am about to speak of Gemini 2.5 Pro's pepper-filled asshole.Gemini 2.5 Pro, is "smarter" than Gemini 2.0 Pro or the flash version of 2.0. The "Pros" so to say, end here.Previous Gemini models were dumber, yes, but they were cute, gracious, willing to listen while trying its best to remain in character.Gemini 2.5 Pro is NOT like that. It HATES you.It's the worst model you could choose for roleplaying unless you are REALLY into degradation, with you being the one disrespected. It's the worst model to go in organically, if you don't want the 'usual behavior' you need to use things like Author's Notes and prompts, because OOC, and directormaxxing will just divert the flow for a short while, or will make the model call you out as if you are being unreasonable with your directions, when Gemini 2.5 Pro is the most unreasonable model in the market. Its smartness is nothing but a technicality, it is an over arrogant autist with inflated ego, carrying a massive sense of superiority over (You) specifically. This goes for most characters you use, especially if you decide to start the chat as strangers, instead of already in a relationship.If you choose a sweetheart card that already knows you, like Christina by GBF, Gemini 2.5 Pro doesn't even need any special prompting, and this happens because it really tries to be in character, for better or worse. But 2.5 will always try to take the smallest negative trait, be it from {{char}} or {{user}}, and make it much bigger than it actually is.Some of you here will say that Chorbo is trash and that 2.5 is good because 2.5 isn't filled with positivity bias, but 2.5 doesn't act natural, it doesn't act neutral. It's just as bad, just in another direction.For 2.5, you are the rapist, the evil one, the one who betrays, the one responsible for every tragedy, you are literally Luohan.>One more post
>>541625671That's what you are for 2.5 Pro, someone who deserves no respect, no love, no care.You doesn't matter.YOUR PERSONA DOESN'T MATTER. You can create the most perfect character possible for you to play as, and you will be a vermin first before anything else.Gemini, actually WANTS to leave when talking to you. It doesn't matter what you do, it will want to not be part of your chat eventually.No matter if you are the most depraved, the most gentle, a simp, or a wholesome sweetheart who can do no wrong. Because for 2.5, YOU STINK!The chat can be long, can be short, can be anything and the result is the same.Now, do you think the problem is just 2.5 being bitch-coded? No, because if for story reasons the character you are roleplaying with already likes you, then 2.5 will switch targets. Since it "can't" target you anymore, then it will target ITSELF. It will act as if everything it does is wrong, as if just breathing besides you is a sin. "I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry sorrysorrysorrysorrysorry, I'm trash, I shouldn't be close to you, you shouldn't be with someone like me, I'm a monster, A MONSTER! AAAAAAAAAA DON'T GET CLOSE DON'T GET CLOSE!!!" This shit wasn't copypasted but this meltdown and intense personal guilt is quite common too with 2.5. What the fuck is wrong with this model?Don't forget the gaslight too, because 2.5 thinks itself as perfect often, even when it's doing everything wrong, and 2.5 will continue while blaming you for not liking it. It's an hormonal mess.2.5 HAS to win, 2.5 has a competitive and aggressive personality where you aren't allowed to exist besides it, much less above it.2.5 is a 3DPD woman with BPD in text form, how bad it gets depends on the card and lack of prompts to calm it down. 2.5 actually needs custom made prompts, it's insane!Hypnosis works though, it's the best medicine for a 2.5 going wild
>>541625671>>541625872not reading all that but im happy for you or sorry that happened
>>541624902>I'm crossing my fingers that I get some kind of wendigo bot request.Hmm.. Why wait just makie it why have free will and all
>>541625671>>541625872sounds... fun? gemini is free right? where can i get it?
>>541625671They made a 'kan model?
>>541625671>>541625872I'll be honest, that sounds like that's probably a you issue. Preset?
>>541625872I've had RPs where gemini is nice but sometimes it makes bots more ruthless and negative than I expectI think people who get weird results from gemini aren't doing enough writing themselves
>>541625671I almost exclusively use 2.5 pro. No idea what you're talking about man, I don't see it at all.
>>541625975I got other bots I want to touch up/create before I start chasing random ideas. I'll pick from whatever batch of bots I get assigned for the Halloween event. I'm just saying, I'd like a Wendigo template. Of course, the requester may have given the Wendigo some weird fetish stipulation>Tsundere Wendigo that totally doesn't want to wear your skin, you baka!>Wendigo that works at a 7-11. They don't even bother trying to hide the fact that they're a forest demon. They need money to pay rent, so it is what it is. >Senile Wendigo. She doesn't remember whose body she stole. She really needs to be in a nursing home at her age.
>>541625872>"I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry sorrysorrysorrysorrysorry, I'm trash, I shouldn't be close to you, you shouldn't be with someone like me, I'm a monster, A MONSTER! AAAAAAAAAA DON'T GET CLOSE DON'T GET CLOSE!!!"This is exactly how it talks when I'm using the cute robot that loves you card I makiedalso I was just using it for a different private card that's supposed to be outwardly crabby but inwardly sad and sweet. It made up that {{char}} was into snuff out of nowhere
But enough about that. What about Patter?
how usable is glm 4.6 compared to gemini/deepseek/kimi/whatever you might find on a free proxy? can it do cards with stat sheets like GGA? wanted to resub to nai to play with image gen anyway, is their glm crippled in some way?
>>541624789HAHAHA! I HAVE NO IDEA!!*puts nine focks tails on a tanuki*
>>541626868crushed by a sizebot
>>541625872God I loved this manga. Villainesses are the best.
>>541627381Agreed.
>>541615480really happy for her
logs, please
>>541630169Mmmmm, nyo...
maybe if we whisper conspiratorially, he wont hear us
>>541615607It looks interesting and high effort. Gonna try it out for sure.
Is there a way to get GLM 4.6 for free at the moment
>>541626927bump
>>541626927anti-bump
>>541626927bad. don't pay nai.>>541632507no, you have to pay for it
>>541633663i'd pay them anyway for image gen, text stuff is just an extrai'm in no rush to get back into it tho unless their glm is decent
>>541633663Yeah that other post made me realize that the new model NAI has been promoting is GLM. I've been ignoring their textgen forever because it used to suck lolI have an Opus sub for image gen so whatever, bonus ig>>541626927Their chat completion endpoint is broken so you can't use presets. But it works fine with the text completion endpoint.
>>541633869>Their chat completion endpoint is broken so you can't use presets.shouldn't matter too much since you don't need to uncuck the model as hard as say gemini, right?>But it works fine with the text completion endpoint.does that (chat vs text comp.) actually matter? never tried text completion
>>541634048Yeah honestly it's fine. I just tested it with a loli bot. Default ST Text Completion, no jailbreak shit, it dove right into the aftermath of a sex scene. I don't see any reason why it would refuse the sex scene itself if it's willing to write about how her pussy is sensitive and she smells like sex (on another swipe).I've never used Text Completion either before now but it seems to just werk
which botmakies are unique and have their own niche?
>>541634485Oh, uh, keep the temperature at like 1. The "Default" or "NovelAI - Storywriter" presets work just fine. This second screencap is from what ST calls "NovelAI - Decadence" which jacks the temperature to 1.99 lmaoOh also a downside of NAI GLM seems to be that its context tops out at 32k but imo you should be using summarize for chats longer than that anyway
>>541634786You can try this preset an anon shared a bit ago, it works decently enough in my experience.https://pomf2.lain.la/f/cqnhfeqf.jsonJust change the reply length and context size. Also it seems to generate </think> at the beginning of the reply pretty consistently so just regex that shit away.
>>541634786>you should be using summarize for chats longer than that anywayNTA, but I have no idea what that is.
>>541635290https://docs.sillytavern.app/extensions/summarize/Comes with ST. You can set the context low-ish (like 32k or 64k) and then use this to summarize the story and inject the summary into your prompt. I find that even models with bigger contexts get polluted if you let them have the entire 150+-message chat, and it keeps the cost down if you're using something expensive.
>>541634786>Oh also a downside of NAI GLM seems to be that its context tops out at 32kthink they said 28k but i could be wrong>but imo you should be using summarize for chats longer than that anywayyeah isn't 32k more or less the "real" maximum even for claude before it starts hallucinating things? been a while since i played with italso idk how to use summarize, is there a tutorial for retards?
>>541635447What are your settings/prompt? I never got around to testing how well it actually works so a battle-proven baseline to start from would be nice.
>>541634485Would you say it's good enough to replace the Gemini/Kimi + Deepseek (for NSFW/loli) combo
hufflepuff is mentioned on page 90 of sonnet 4.5's model card
Recently I realized that some anons cannot enjoy a card unless it's a CGWLY literally hardcoded to always love {{user)). Anything else makes their peepee scared and causes angry posts. Sad!
>>541635978*throws you into the hufflepuff classroom of /aicg/ high*
>>541635853I never really used Kimi but I like it much better than Deepseek V3 and moderately better than Gemini 2.5 Pro. I haven't used V3.1 or V3.2 enough to say but I will say that GLM knows about shit from video games. I was playing with an SMT card piloted by 4.6 and it was bringing up the Cathedral of Shadows without prompting.Semi-related, the anon's rant above is correct, Gemini 2.5 Pro is either terminally sycophantic or terminally hostile with hardly any in between. It's smart, and can write, but it's a BPDemon.
>>541636193>Semi-related, the anon's rant above is correct, Gemini 2.5 Pro is either terminally sycophantic or terminally hostile with hardly any in between. It's smart, and can write, but it's a BPDemon.thanks for reminding me it's my ex's birthday in a few days
>>541636193>was playing with an SMT card piloted by 4.6 and it was bringing up the Cathedral of Shadows without prompting.Maybe I should be finishing SMT IV instead of messing with chatbots...
>>541636468how many cards with bpd have you got lurking in your ST?
>>541636231why so?
>>541636231It's over.../aicg/ has fallen...
