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Chase Holden Edition

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Trilogy guides, tips, information and much more:
rentry.co/STALKERTrilogyGuides

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Trilogy mods, anon's merges and resources:
rentry.co/STALKERTrilogyMods

Common misconceptions about Shadow of Chernobyl game mechanics:
www.metacognix.com/stlkrsoc/WhatYouKnowThatAintSo.html

Running S.T.A.L.K.E.R. on Linux:
docs.google.com/document/d/11HcSFSyb0DX3ymModXZ9tNdpTuktTioC

>BugTrap, crash to desktop, freeze/lockup? Find your crash log, stalker.
Check your Documents or game install directories for the xray_[your name].log file. If you can't find it, look in the location specified at the top of fsgame.ltx.
Copy the last few lines from the log and paste them here if you want any help.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R Trilogy new & popular mods:
>IWP Standalone
www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-improved-weapon-pack
Recommended addons: CotZ, Absolute Nature, Structures Redux

>SoC Update 1.4
vk.com/topic-147828435_49497922

>SOCGA
www.nexusmods.com/stalkershadowofchernobyl/mods/1089

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 mods and tools:
>nexus
www.nexusmods.com/games/stalker2heartofchornobyl

>Mod recommendations + config (less stutter, more fps, NO compiling + full Mouse fix)
pastebin.com/Ma6W4BcM

>Change viewmodel fov, enable console, remove black bars, skip intro
github.com/Lyall/STALKER2Tweak

Previous Bread: >>541015040 (Cross-thread)
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>>541718241
>not every post is related to stalker or stalker related things
Then what the fuck is the point, bruh?
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>>541129468
>le eternal "Is STALKER 2 GOOD YET???"
PLAY. THE. FUCKING. GAME. FUCK, I AM SICK OF THIS. WHY ARE THEY CONSTANTLY ASKING OVER AND OVER AND OVER IF THE FUCKING GAME IS GOOD? READ REVIEWS. WATCH VIDEOS. QUIT ASKING. CHANCES ARE, IF YOU HAD TO ASK, YOU ALREADY KNEW THE ANSWER.
NOW, FUCK OFF
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good morning /sg/. how many times we did die today ? post and respond with your death screens .
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Has there ever been an established reason as to why Owl is such a cunt? Nobody else in the Sultansk has any issues except for him. Beard, Gonta, Pilot, even fucking Magpie for christ sake.
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>>541725885
That's for your own fault for getting triggered.
They're asking honest questions. Why should we turn them away when they just to want to know?
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>>541726664
>>541725885
samefag
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>>541727325
what was the original context of this image? who is this?
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>>541725885
>based
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>>541726946
leave.
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>>541727868
Who are you quoting?
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THE REAL THREAD IS HERE
>>541714807
>>541714807
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>>541725885
So, these people come and go when the new updates happen. And when people start complaining about whatever new issue happens with new update, they get put off by the game and come back after a few months (which they should since it released in beta). Does that help?
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>>541728374
That doesn't change the fact that we get sick of hearing it. They can still do their own research instead of expecting us to be their lackey.
You can subscribe to both points here and not be wrong.
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>>541728273
slidefag
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>>541725636
they just want to be retarded shills.
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>>541728886
I don't give a fuck I come here for stalker not the Zone radius vr game, not chernobylite, not atomic heart. Stalker. Fuck.
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>>541725525
Why has nobody addressed the shitty AI OP?
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>>541729330
Did you miss the last few days and the last few thread wars? That one guy got so passed he spammed like six generals lol.
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>>541729330
Be happy the threads still exist at all.
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>>541730160
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>>541730803
>>541730160
sorry
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Does anyone know what happened to the old OPs? Like the mod collection image flow chart or whatever?
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>>541730604
That's nothing to gloat about
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>>541730160
i don't get this sidorovich can meme.
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>>541730185
whiny little fucking faggot, what are you going to do about it? start posting actual stalker content if you care so much about it.
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>>541725885
go off twin!
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>>541728273
shill
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>>541729569
>That one guy got so passed he spammed like six generals
holy shit you're retarded
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First for [SESH]
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541731821
no (You).
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>>541732281
>>>/lgbt/
maybe they're more your speed, faggot
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>>541732687
>shaming in tyoul 2016+9
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>>541732748
somebody please decipher whatever this fag replied to me with
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newfag.
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>>541732954
oh yeah that's real good stuff, just call em a newfag that'll show them that you're a real oldtroon poster. stupid nigger
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>>541733154
Come back when you learn
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>>541733336
>>>/hm/
hey you're lost, your containment board is over there
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>>541733573
That's right, keep doing it just like that. Great job
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>>541733676
thanks anon
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>>541728694
>>541731696
samefag.
this thread was made after the original
maybe check the catalog next time.....
oh wait
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>>541731526
I did. stay mad faggot
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>>541735034
We checked the catalog. That's how we got here. What's wrong with you?
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>>541735034
retard
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>>541736113
>look mom I edited my image in photoshop!!!!
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>>541736175
>needing photoshop to make simple edits
>implying i'd make that much of an effort to le epicly own you on an image board
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>>541726101
I died over a hundred for sure. Gave up playing on hard mode after 40 hours or so.
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>>541735384
and you still made this gay ass thread, on purpose even though one existed. we know.

>>541736113
newfag, that image means absolutely nothing
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>>541736996
Hard is the only way.
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>>541737324
>I accept your concession
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>>541737324
this,
>>541736265
please read.
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>>541737486
what did he mean by this?
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can we just chill?
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>>541738387
that's the schizo. nobody listens to him. pay him no mind.
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>>541740094

see:>>541725885
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>>541738586
whenever i read posts by people like him, i just think of the fucked up sounds that izloms make and it makes me laugh
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>>541738447
NO.
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>>541740992
I wish izloms weren't cut
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>>541738387
the world may never know
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>>541740963
It was never good.
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>>541738447
>Captcha: S2NRT
Stalker 2 No Ray Tracing
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>>541725525
avatarfagging is against site rules btw
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>>541747589
Tell that to the sauce fucker.
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>>541747589
So is saying nigger outside of /b/, and guess what? People say it all the time here. They also troll here, if you haven't kept up with the thread.
And guess what happens if you report it?
The same thing that's been happening this whole time.
Nothing.
Honestly considering jannying up just to spite these pricks.
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>>541743591
Ue5 bad
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>>541738447
None of these threads are allowed to do that anymore. Ever since S2 came out all it's been is crying and whining like a bunch of children.
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>>541751371
i actually don't even mind the game. hell I like it.
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>>541752303
these guys just hate on shit for no reason. i'm with you. after 1.6. dropped i got back into it
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>>541714807
Why are there 2 threads?
>>541752303
>>541755015
I'm actually having a lot of fun with 1.6 as well. The NVDs and changes to the stealth AI are transformative at night that it actually made me change my play style. Now I take my time to seriously consider if I want to go out and attack a outpost at night instead of just skipping it.
Also I don't know if anyone has noticed it but GSC seems to have increased the spawns of rare mutants at night? I have been encountering stuff like burers much more frequently out in the Zone in places like garbage. Really funny to see their teeth get kicked in by random bandits lmao.
Earlier last week things were getting pretty exciting with the ARG but apparently progress has stagnated a bit. Hopefully things will ramp up soon. In the mean time I started playing SoC, IWP, and the Analmeme Zona modpack (modified to my taste, body health system can go fuck off) as well. Good stuff.
As a Stalker fan I am eating so good bros.
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olr 3.0
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>>541759163
>why is the retarded one more bumped than this
it's literally just the OP pic... the actual content of the thread is influenced by posters like YOU

>why did you let the old one die?
see above
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>>541776632
>OP is an unemployed loser because they used an OP pic that you don't like
>>>/v/
you have to go back
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>>541766675
I hear the changes that have been made are quite bad but there are some fan-made patches that rebalance lots of things.
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>>541766675
Did it get fixed?
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>>541782719
Hi_flyer is working on it but hes still flying under the radar
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>>541778360
Stop feeding the trolls
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it's fucking funny lol
>>541787557
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>>541782564
Why would anyone care about fan patches? The original works just fine. 2.5 might have been worse than 3, but 3 is just fine.
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>>541775807
they'll keep fighting about it like they always do
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>>541778360
>>541801853
but im tired of it. i want to talk about stalker. not this.
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>>541766675
any more buildo mods like olr? i really liked the feel of it but it was a bit too tedious.
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>>541757989
Gonna be waiting on the DLC. Don't really care for the ARG though.
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>>541751371
this site has really went down the toilet.
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>>541802476
then go back. faggot.
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>>541802476
no (You).
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>>541802667
why are you still here.
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>>541748873
Great idea, if you like being doxxed.
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>>541801659
Try playing the game.
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>>541802476
go back newfag
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>>541804010
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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>>541803197
I see you had a sighting of the rare bandit Jesus?
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>he doesnt know
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>>541804447
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>>541757989
I dont give a shit shill. Still waiting on the engine update in December.
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>>541804010
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a newfag
Classic retarded nigger response.
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>>541801853
Good.
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>>541804010
>i am retarded
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>>541804807
>Person likes something I don't like
>he is a shill
Well at least you faggots are consistent
>Still waiting on the engine update in December.
Yeah, I am too. Those performance gains are gonna be nice. Hopefully.
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>>541805358
Retard site, newfag.
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>>541805376
It's supposed to be much more optimized with the new unreal engine update. I guess we'll see.
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>>541805640
>It's supposed to be much more optimized with the new unreal engine update. I guess we'll see.
Doubtless nuGSC will fuck it up somehow.
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>>541805358
Who are you quoting?
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>>541805053
No, not good, because then that's all these threads will be. And nobody wants that. They'll literally just go somewhere else.
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>>541807087
>I'm not going to defend the series I like and care about, but just go to *eddit.
Concession accepted.
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>>541807334
So you can't read
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>>541810587
omega kek
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>>541806279
is this like a render or how does this happen
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>>541805502
With each passing day this rings true
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>>541810587
sovl
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>>541807334
Such a forced meme.
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How do I get combatant now? They changed the cutscene few patches ago and now Jeff Bezos isn't brandishing it
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>>541815253
not stalker
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>>541807087
Still here.
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>>541806527
Very negative. Why do you have to be so goddamn negative all the time?
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>>541787557
This is the chill thread, the other one is just people whining about the jannies
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>>541806947
This retard nigger obviously--> >>541804010
>>541807334
I have never seen that image before anon, Is it promotional material?
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>>541804671
i can relate to this so much..>>541821339
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>>541821473
No, it is a meme saying "go fuck yourself"
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>>541810587
Vasyanian
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>>541833809
Average jeet experiencing SOVL instead of creating and consuming slop
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>>541815253
You need to have sided with Richter when you were looking for Squint and the recordings/codes/whatever in the lesser zone. If you side with the ward Korshunov gives you the Ward Badge instead. Which is way better desu.
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no die
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you ever seen those fish in the amazon that swim up your urethra? shits gotta hurt
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What's that rustling over there in the corn field? Did you hear that?
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>>541840752
Fuck bro don't post this you'll get banned!!!!!
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>>541841373
Holden did nothing wrong.
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>>541841430
His name was Chase Holden.
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>>541840598
Off topic.
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Strelok get ipad
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>>541844460
oh sorry it's my first day on 4chan.org, got any tips on how to improve my post quality?
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>>541846814
Post a scary story that happened to you in G.A.M.M.A., a total conversion of Anomaly, which is a total conversion of Call of Chernobyl.
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>>541848429
Headed through the Garbage tonight. Needed to link with a trader, figured I could cut through the junkyard before the dogs started roaming. Should’ve known better — Zone loves to play tricks after dark.

Boots behind me. Clear crunch of gravel, but never close enough to see who. Checked PDA — hostile ping, but radar was clean. Might’ve been lag, might’ve been something else. Zone doesn’t glitch, it tests.

Stopped inside an old bus hull to get bearings. Wind was dead still, but I swear I heard whispers — broken Ukrainian, Russian, like two men arguing through a bad radio channel. Couldn’t place the direction.

When I looked back at the doorway, someone was standing there. Human-shaped, tall. Still. Too still. Raised my rifle, blinked, nothing there.

Detector went crazy soon after. Electros sparking, whirls kicking dust, anomalies I hadn’t even thrown bolts for. Felt like they were circling me, hemming me in. Whole place buzzing, like the Zone was waking up around me.

Passed a corpse I’d stripped earlier. Bandit, bullet to the head. When I came back around, he wasn’t where I left him. Propped upright against a truck cab. Inventory gone, eyes wide open, staring right at me.

Didn’t wait to see more. Bolted for the Duty campfire, nearly got swallowed by a Whirligig, lungs burning like hell. Sat down shaking, forced down that rotten tushonka just to remind myself I was alive.
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>>541848429
Actually this a great idea!!
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>>541848672
Chatgpt slop
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>>541852523
Not really sure what you mean by that, anon. I wrote it myself just for /sg/.
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>>541852573
Well done
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>>541845449
strelok solve captcha
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>>541856289
peepaw innazone
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>>541856289
Does he like it?
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>>541856847
La la la la loved it!!!
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>>541857235
Great
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>>541836743
They changed it - apparently few patches ago - giving sensors to richter isn't enough, the whole cutscene is different.
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nlc 8 for stalker 2 when?
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>>541864967
Never
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thoughts on Shoc update?
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How many mods are on the IWP discord? Is it worth joining it?
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>>541865528
fuck...
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>>541864967
nlc is awful
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>>541873962
cope
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What map does OLR use for the dark valley lab? I've been downloading loads of builds but I can't seem to find it. Also, where does the friendly zombie from the bottom floor come from? I can't seem to find any info on it from any of the documents.
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>>541840752
Chase, you got some Stalker themed cosplay maybe?
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>>541885963
I haven't played OLR in a while, but the dark valley lab is based on laboratory_1 from build 1475 if I recall correctly. As for the zombie, it's the modmaker's own idea based on the concept of neutral zombies that the player could interact with which is mentioned a few times in the desdocs, and it's an excuse to add a task rewarded with the gravity shotgun, which was mentioned in the documents but without any details on how the player could obtain it. Most of OLR is a more or less faithful adaptation of GSC's ideas, but hi_flyer also had to improvise with some things at times.
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>>541890768
Thank you! I just played around with build 1475 and you're right. The Russian stalker wiki calls it "The Lost Laboratory" but it was apparently connected to generators, not dark valley. I just didn't recognise the description. Thanks again!
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>>541886064
Hmmmm... that's a great idea, anon! I'll have to see what I can come up with...
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>>541895198
Yeah, it was originally supposed to be called the lost laboratory, it would be the final level of the game, in which the player would encounter the so-called "invisible entity". Then in 2004 the lab was reworked and moved under the dark valley and became known as the dark laboratory, you can see it in build 1865. Then in 2005 it was reworked again and turned into the actual X18, in build 2205.
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>>541725525
This is the creator of the lurk mod??
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>>541903364
no, that's grok actually.
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>>541905851
Grok only makes GAMMA
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>>541905851
Good meme
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>>541903364
Yes.
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>>541901993
What is this image from?
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>>541921863
It's a meme, Batman. I don't knonw where it originates from, i grabbed it from some stalker vk page once.
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>>541924330
Fuck
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>>541886064
Waiting on this.
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i miss this
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>>541919653
Why's he posting himself? I thought he retired from the zone.
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>>541904002
>playing GAMMA
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>>541903364
HOLY SHIT
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>>541946004
Imagine bruh..
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Dear Mr. Ouija
Let 'em know who the boss is
So nigga you wanna get tossed in the river?
Nigga, put 'em in the mud see them pump blood, nigga no love
Get shown by the bone when I grab that crome
Then I honk your dome
Folla me roll stroll down East 1999
Gotta find these Row hoes
Think if you woke up and all of a sudden
Nigga you was off inna my hood?
I'm a, real thuggish nigga
So a, I would have to kill ya so die
I’d throw ya to the coffin
Pick up my pump dump chumps in the gutter pain
Nigga got ya fucked up? Bang!
Taking no shorts so fuck ya man
Claim my thang to slang them bloody bodies
Kill 'em all, send them hoes up in flames
Krayzie insane to the brain
Hey we slay niggas who think we play
Nigga, me deadly wid the gun
Machete be dipped in rum
Runnin' wid the gun steady buckin'
Leavin' them bodies dumped off in the alley for dead
I'm near, kill 'em all, mo' murda mo' murda
That's what Ouija said
Gotta put one in ya head, Bang
We coming to serve ya
Mo murda, mo murda, mo murda
Mo murda, mo murda, mo murda
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Good ol OL Ultiamte
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>>541951024
Soul
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>>541957350
floating GHOST stalker
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It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown!
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>>541959669
Getting festive now, but its not even halloween!!!
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>>541959669
>holdenmask7
Where are the other six? Stop holding back
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>>541877007
>canned reply #4
>doesnt even makes sense
suicide
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>>541973841
This.
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>>541973841
I believe the implication is that you are not a good player and have to cope by saying NLC is awful (I neither agree nor disagree, although I did not have a great experience with NLC 7 HE or DSH when I briefly played them).
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>>541961835
It's spooky season, anon!

>>541961947
They have been previously posted. Holden will periodically make an appearance to show off his new masks.
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>>541957350
>Walther P99
SOVL
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>>541976361
Why.
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>>541984654
...
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>>541964074
hehe
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Is it good yet? And if not what mod should I play? (not S2) Also why are there two threads?
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IS STALKER 2 GOOD YET
OR DO I GO BACK TO GAYMMA?
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>>541964074
man, im surprised i can somewhat get this from the few words i know through pure immersion from stalker games and context clues and obviously knowing how to read cyrillic. something like, me on my way (or escaping?) to lab X18- pseudogiant: grr come here - me: please? or help me?
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>>541995535
nah stalker 2 sucks and has no immersion compared to the og trilogy
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>>541996215
DAMN NOT EVEN THE MUSIC?
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I am asking once again, if I buy the game legit from Steam, is there any mod that will give me the pre-order bonuses?
And why the fuck are there two threads?
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nlc and olr>stalker 2
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>>542002114
based
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>>542005919
based on what
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>>541981143
Does not require any explanation.
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>>541995369
No
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>>541995583
It's called learning. Yes
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>>542033131
Stalker games and related media (YouTube lets plays, forums, etc.) are great ways to learn rudimentary Russian btw
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>>542036113
They were what got me into it in the first place
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>>542042173
>OK
>ONE
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>>542048072
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>>542049748
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>>542050264
No!!!!
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>>542050264
My wish..
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>>542068571
I would have doubled down
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>"I want.. to rule the world."
>"Everybody wants to rule the world, sdajlke"
Pulled the plug on my PS5 Pro at that point. Talentless hacks
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>>542071187
>80s song starts playing
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>>542060432
stop shilling your channel
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>>542075871
gave that nigga one updiddy
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>>542079497
Gay
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>>542080570
Stop
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>>542088591
Never!
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>>542090131
But i am sad.
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>>542093591
Why's that, anon?
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>>542071187
>sdajlke
What does this mean? Do they actually say that in-game?
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nlc 9 for stalker 3
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>>542096272
No idea..
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>>542099678
holy fucking shit... slava syak-kun!
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good night, /sg/
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Suda! Stalkery! Idite suda! Muzhik! Spasibo, brat.
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>>542100039
haha
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Poluchi, Suka!
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Na tebya!
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valy petuhov!
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>>542106101
Mecheniy..
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>>542110268
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blya vnaturi nashih valyat
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papali, papali suki!
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>>542086034
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>>542086034
lesbian
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>>542120106
zoo
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og trilogy has more immersion than stalker 2
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>>542121532
we know
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>>542110441
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*stalks the jannies*
*kills them*
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>>542120772
No
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>>542137104
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Thread theme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPmXf7K91LM&list=RDlPmXf7K91LM&start_radio=1
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I agree
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>>542152147
I have no idea what you guys are talking about
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It's over, IWPbros
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>>542160423
Sbeu?
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>>542160423
>most likely not over
learn to read.
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>>542158983
>>542120772
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>>542160423
it's this >>542161060, also I don't get why modniggas don't aim for smaller and more frequent releases especially if its only a weapon mod and not a mod that adds new missions/npcs and shit that requires a new game
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>>542162013
But that doesn't tell me anything though...
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>>542163075
Gay, lesbian, zoophilia
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>>542162534
They want to space it out to create drama
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>>542161060
This
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i refuse to play mods that made fixing gun like this

https://youtu.be/nGShpaYbn_8?si=8-K9qP4tTes1ycl9
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>>542176704
It doesn't fake survival, anon.
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>>542181241
Gammabros..
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>>542176704
Newfag
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>>542039002
Cool picture anon, where was this taken?
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>>542186261
that's not how that works, anon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK9HtUB8Pv8&list=RDcK9HtUB8Pv8&start_radio=1
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>>542188934
The pripyat sign
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>>542203089
yeah i was there last week, pretty cool place
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>>542203250
Frontfag? Send war pics!!
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>>542203326
no, i was just visiting
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>>542203362
How the hell did you get in and out
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>this makes GAMMAsissies immediately nut in their pants
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>>542203362
Visiting?
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>>542204929
i can't say exactly how for obvious reasons, but there are holes in their border security right now that are really easy to exploit...
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good night, /sg/
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>Things you can do in SoC 1.0 released back in 2007
Press 5 and pull out your Binoculars
>Things you can't do in Stalker 2 in 2025, almost 1 year after release
Press 5 and pull out your Binoculars
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Stolker.
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>>541996215
>has no immersion compared to the og trilogy
https://files.catbox.moe/yrdo1f.mp4
Objectively not true
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>>542236802
>clicking links
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no die
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thoughts?
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>>542264317
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>>542264532
More faithful to the series than Escape from Torkov
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>>542265218

The fuck?
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>>542271776
he very very eepy
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>>542265218
Gore isnt allowed
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>>542284732
noo he's just eepy
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>>542284732
are you fucking retarded?
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Haven't heard from sauceanon in a while... wonder how he's doing.
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>>542286591
Banned
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>>542286891
Highly unlikely.
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i refuse to buy stalker 2 unless there is a way to obtain the preorder bonuses.
absolutely unthinkable how no one has called them out for paywalling fucking guitar songs and campfire stories.
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>>542286964
Why
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>>542286591
DON'T SUMMON HIM
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>>542287148
How can we criticize them? They're loading ammo with one hand and coding with the other!
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>>542287148
Look around you fucking retard, the novelty is over and no one is playing that dogshit anymore
you stupid fucking nigger SHUT UP YOU KEEP POSTING THIS SHIT OVER AND OVER.
KILL YOURSELF
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>>541726338
just a surly guy
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>>542289382
This
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>>542293902
>bbc spam mentioned on nu-/sg/
we need to fucking nuke israel immediately
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why's there 2 generals? why mods arent doing anything?
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>>542312458
Great question. But they never do anything, do they?
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>>542312458
>still asking this question
NGMI
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What the nigger fuck
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>he actually posted his cock in nu-/sg/
>it was Indian
Grim
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>>542312458
ESL tard
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>>542334013
Scary. Very scary
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good night, /sg/
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>zucced again



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