Fallout 2 Edition>What is /crpgg/?This general is dedicated to the discussion of computer role playing games such as:Arcanum, Baldur's Gate, Disco Elysium, Divinity: Original Sin, Dragon Age, Expeditions, Fallout, Icewind Dale, Jade Empire, Necromancer's Tale, Neverwinter Nights, Pathfinder, Solasta: Crown of the Magister, Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment, Shadowrun, The Age of Decadence, Temple of Elemental Evil, Tyranny, UnderRail, Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines, Warhammer 40k: Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Wasteland, Wizardry, and many others.>Recommendations:https://files.catbox.moe/gx6f4u.png>Computer Role Playing Games Resources:https://pastebin.com/NEvHHATehttps://monkposter.github.io/community.htmlPrevious: >>541682303>Thread QuestionThoughts on Fallout 2?
What will black science woman's cuckoldry be in Dark Heresy?
Starfinder Afterlight has unlocked 2 more furry races
>>541806729Starfinder seems freakier already
>>541806729>Quirky notGobbo race>Catfolk that farHeh
Yrliet just flew over my house
literally what is the appeal of Guardians of the Galaxy but with more furries
>kingmaker was a retelling of War and Peace>wrath was a retelling of The Death of Ivan Ilyich>rogue trader was a retelling of How Much Land Does a Man Need?Which Tolstoy book will dark heresy be a reimagining of?
>>541807332Meds, /lit/ midwit
>we need more xenofucker crpgs>nooooooo not like thatCan never satisfy you fags
>>541807332You have never read these books.
>>541807460They want multi-coloured women.
>>541806643In the same cutscene where she talks about her sexual history clinically, she will grab a magnifying glass and say she can't find it.
>Thread QuestionDespite the screenshot in the OP, I believe the developers had a very outsider-looking-in perspective on Fallouts 1 and 2 (and other games from that era from Bioware, Black Isle and Interplay).In a previous thread I made the mistake of calling this perspective a libertarian one, I don't think that's quite accurate, even if I feel tempted to name it so, and I wasn't impressed by the politics-brained types that were summoned by doing so.This sober perspective on factions, groups, tribes, and other individuals makes for better game design in general, because it allows the player to remain an independent individual amongst all the things he faces and that reflects the passage through life everyone takes if they're not burdened by illusions and shadows.You can still join things like the Brotherhood of Steel, of course, but I always got the impression you weren't really supposed to throw in with factions except in order to gain something out of them.
>>541807820get a personality that doesn't involve talking about real life politics in the context of video games
Do you prefer top-down CRPGs or third-person CRPGs?
>>541806729Can't wait to play as that little green guy and get my hypercock sucked by the android lady
If underrail is so good why is there no underrail likes?
>>541807332>wrath was a retelling of The Death of Ivan Ilyichretard
I'm not a fan of Cam but at least the smooch anon stuck with her for years
JAETHAL SEXOOOOOO
>>541808501>overmuch>straightawayESL moment
>>541808756What? Don't tell me you don't know those are actual words?
>>541808858Shutthefuckup
The biggest twist in Expanse?Regina's name backwards.
>>541807460I want aliens not blue people and furries
This blackguard has been overwrought for a fortnight
The only race that I am racist against is the Wild Hunt.
>Kingmaker was a retelling of The Brothers Karamazov>Wrath was a retelling of Demons>Rogue Trader was a retelling of The LandladyWhat Dostoyevsky book will Dark heresy be a retelling of? My Guess is Crime and punishment, the main twist villain will be corrupt chaos inquisitiors that you end up killing for their crimes.
>>541809298ekun...
>>541809298A elf tiefling?
>"I'm not obsessed, but I will painstakingly recreate this Temple of this Goddess I hate"He reminds me of some of the people you encounter in this website.
>a coon, dayoWhat did Owlcat mean by this?
>can't get redeemed stauntonHoly owlkek moment.
What buffs do you want to stack on a non-psyker melee build?
>>541809298In what setting? Wild hunt in witcher are pretty based.
>>541809127Jesse, what the FUCK are you talking about?
>>541810367Pathfinder: Kingmaker. They appear towards the end of the game and are just all around assholes to fight.
>>541810206This really would've been a better companion than most that you do get. It shouldn't even be locked behind any mythic path, you should just be allowed to turn him somehow after defeating him in Drezen and making the right dialogue choices in previous acts.
>>541810206in act 5 he defends the flag in iz. thats about it
Seriously why is jae a romance option? Who is she meant to appeal to?
>>541810367They're still based in Kingmaker, its just Owlcat deemed it to be quality content to make you fight endless groups of them through overlong dungeons for the finale.
>>541811053Heterosexuals
>>541811053>What if Han Solo but femaleIts just genderswapping tropes that this generation of writers grew up saturated in.Every bad idea in media writing and design today is a very obvious product of its time.
>>541811053men that play as women that enjoy cuckolding (this general)
What is your favourite melee weapon?I like the mace.
>>541811053"Sexy" rogue archetype. She has big boobs and is feminine so I think men were supposed to like her.
>>541811245>short and bogged face
Every time I want to play Rogue Trader or BG3, I'm reminded how dogshit TB combat is, and how much of it there is. TB locked games are so fucking boring, and the ones that do get popular almost always tend to be popular for non-gameplay reasons. I shouldn't need gameplay that a geriatric ape could play, just to get a good story out of my games.
>>541811690umm but TB combat is the best
>>541811690Zoomer opinion
>>541811053Cucks
does anyone have the RTWP vs TB meme
>>541811690It is odd that Owlcat didn't do the same thing they did with their previous games where you could swap between TB and Real Time.There are way too many low-effort garbage battles to justify TB for each one.
>>541812410Game has specific powers and abilities that only make sense in turn based
>>541811915RTS and RTT are boomer genres. Zoomers didn't start buying into the genre until it was both TB dominated and insanely dumbed down.
>>541811053>>541811683Just change her portrait and her romance immediately improved tenfold
>>541813251>Turned based RTSHuh?
>>541811053>slutty brown gypsy good>slutty space brown gypsy badExplain this double standard
>>541812865Didn't stop them from implementing Hexes and Cackle in WoTR.
>>541813350Isabela is great and her boobs ARE bigger
>>541809298>>541810367>>541810930>tfw no one in baron's party has Blind Fight
>>541813407Hexes and cackle operate on time based durations because that's how pathfinder works. The RT game has "extra turns" that can't be translated to RTWP
Bloodlines 2 will be goty purely because of Lou's massive tits
>>541813715no can't wait for this garbage to come out
>>541813413>and her boobs ARE bigger>>541813715Men are such pathetic creatures.
this is a kino genre of video game, one of the finest
>>541791483
>>541813892Yeah let me go borrow the going into games machine from my uncle to fuck the dollies myself
>>541813868CRPGs are literally my 3rd favourite genre of video game.
>>541813337I've had some success doing this in WotR and Kingmaker but its not enough when the writing is as shitty as it is with Jae and the horrid accent is inescapable without muting her.
>>541813661Translate it into action speed. Very easy solution. Hexes and Cackle are more fucked up in real time than your problem with bonus turns.
>>5418133501 Calling Isabela good is a stretch, she's pretty bad2 At least she has the decency to look hot
>>541813350One is annoying, the other is designed around appealing to a male audience.
This is very niche, but, I like CRPGs, because, I can cheat and give myself max stats and max skills, and instead of the game being boring, I am opened to many many possibilities. I find this charming, like the devs cared. In an action game 'max health max damage' is enough to make the game boring. CRPGs are the only genre that even cheating is still interesting.
Bioware had miles more cuckshit than Owlkek yet this general is mindbroken and makes up schizo headcanons about Owlcat, but ignores Bioware cuckshit
>>541816124Only biocuck shit is if you play as a female so it's deserved.
>>541808071>third-person CRPGsthe only ones I can think of are DAO (which also has isometric view) and TW1 (which is arguably not a crpg)
I want to resume an old playthrough and finish pathfinder wotr, theres one small issue though im in the hell place where things a bit too 3d and I also wanted to advance my relationship with Camelia.Is there a way in game to track if i've done everything with her in this place to advance to the next point in the story ?Thank you.
>>541813350Where did isabella buy faketan and brown eye contacts?
>>541816403>theres one small issue though im in the hell place where things a bit too 3deverything is camera based. just rotate the camera to move the walls and islands. ezpz>Is there a way in game to track if i've done everything with her in this place to advance to the next point in the story ?no, you'll need to use a save editor or the Toybox mod to check values like that.
>>541816124Because "people" here only really played Owlcat games as they are modern. You can probably still find posts from decades ago asking if Isabella does have STIs.
>>541816680Isabella is nothing like Val. You know from the jump that she's a selfish slut. If you choose to romance her that isn't cuck shit sprung outta nowhere to subvert your expectations it's your own shit taste.
>>541816226>Jacob Dunning-Kruger TaylorUnironically the GOAT for that shit. FemShep players deserved nothing less.
wtf is my druids problem? she starts an argument ever other night.
>>541816920Yea or having to have morrigan cuck them if they romanced allister if they want to live.
>>541816430why did you mod your game
>>541815023Hexes are just debuffs with a set time and cackle refreshes the time. How is that busted at all?
>>541817060Because i've it completed 3 times already vanilla. Why don't you? She's Whiter in vanilla but that's all on 360.
>>541816124You are absolutely mindbroken by shitposts.Show us the list again, the one where Aerie falls for Haer'dalis.
>>541816680She does. She has Anders heal them!
>>541816680>>541816843Isabella can also be tamed. You can put your foot down on her going with Zevran without seeming petty unlike Shadowheart's brothel scene. Until the DLC that is.
>>541815023That doesn't make any sense for RT, especially when the bonus turns usually have stipulations
What's the best party to take into Cumrag from a narrative pov?
i swear the main purpose of trickster runs should always be to piss off regill as much as possible
A party size of 4 is ideal.
>>541818387fuck that I want all my niggas with me
1.5 when
>>541813854lol titlet whore mad
>>541818386You saved Regill's life
I lost my dolly...
wtf is happening with total war why is volound winning again
What's the best Eldritch Scion bloodline in Kingmaker? Dragon bloodlines seem to be made to get Dragon Disciple but I want to stay pure Magus.
>>541822264Abyssal gives you STR buffs and with the cornugon smash line of feats you can AOE fear everyone.
>>541816976my rogue is just some short jew that gets carried every battle. should have just did a bard instead of thinking it was too meta
>>541822264If not dragon then abyssal for the STR bonuses followed by undead if you want to be more tanky. The rest are pretty shit. If you're going pure Magus I'd just go for Abyssal.
I remember picking a Cleric and being utterly overwhelmed at all of the different domains. How was I ever supposed to know which domain provided which spells?
you pick domains for domain powers not spells. its just one spell slot you can spontaneously convert. they have some nice ones stealing from the mage school, but the only time i have ever, ever meaningfully needed a specific domain spell was 2e cleric of knowledge for identify so my sorcerer didnt have to waste a spell pick on it
>>541823085You read
>>541818386>fuck with regill to extend his lifespan by a centuryRegill chads keep winning.
I wanna smooch her.>>541816403>Is there a way in game to track if i've done everything with her in this place to advance to the next point in the story ?Check your journal and see whether you have completed 'What Is Your Heart's Desire?'. That's Camellia's only quest in the Abyss. You also get a unique interaction if you're on the true romance path where she gives you a Bone Amulet, so check your inventory if you have it. The other romance related interaction occurs just as you're about to leave Alushinyrra, so you've yet to see that one, get ready because it's a dialogue mine field.
dnd i always pick war for weapon focus and some good shit like enlarge and bulls strength pathfinder war domain sucks, and they nerfed strength down to athletics checks so every one can be community cucks
>>541824431I've got 300 hours in RT and have never invited someone into the bath with me. It feels way too awkward. Am I missing out on anything interesting?
>>541824713Pasqal is hilarious
>>541824713No, its just cute little character things
We already know why Owlcat chose Expanse
>>541821545they blew all their money on hyenas and now take a year or longer to put out a dlc (they won't patch the game outside dlc releases)factions literally do not work and just stand idle
Why do you even have that
>>541825360
i noticed in game romances with evil women they at least have the decency not to mention all the past cock mileage they've had even if they are massive whores
>Larian is making a space game>Owlcat is making two space games>the indie starfinder (space game) made several times it's kickstarter goal in an hourI guess it's the time of the space games. I for one am fine with this.
>>541825763I'm not. Sci fi is filled with gunslop and that's boring.
They should make another Shadowrun game.
>>541825706Whys it so small
only natural since mass effect ended and bethsdian keeps releasing pure AAA grade garbage space shit
Everyone will beat Owlcat to space elf pussy
>>541825745...
>>541813350>Creepy bug-eyed demon-worshipper who says she won't fall for a demon's bait while instant falling the second one promises her something during a quest.>Womanizer rebel changed into a faggot terrorist.>Gay sex-slave edgelord>The straightest piece of stale bread in the countryIsabela was not good, every other romance was just that worse.
>>541826061Shadowrun is in IP corpo hellits not happening sadly
>>541826446>>Womanizer rebel changed into a faggot terrorist.Anders is such a funny character.
>>541826446I wish you could kill that faggot "justice"
Where did biosloppa go so wrong...
>>541826446Fenris is good
>>541827412>Have the option to be caked in shit most of the timeWhat were they thinking here actually? It only really works for a couple of scenes if it makes sense.
>>541827849I like him as a character but I'm also a heterosexual man so I never played through his romance.I tried playing DAO as a girl once just to get cucked in every way imaginable so I never bothered to try female runs again.
>>541828639Female romances don't work in RPGs since you're still the masculine chaser in the relationship. You need games built specifically for women for a worthwhile female romance instead of just men cooming to dykes.
>>541807263Was Marazhai with her?
>>541828857This train of thought is why Lann exists and look how that turned out.
>>541829292I can only imagine, since not only do I never take Lann but I also never make a female main character.
>what if thing... LE SHIT???Why are developoids mindbroken with making shit look retarded?
>>541829292Go ahead and tell the class AGP-kun.
>>541792875>entering her spirit stone late>Is this romance specific?Yeah it is. The ritual goes wrong, she calls out to you for help, and you dive into her mind-zone (which looks exactly like Janus with a blue filter) to save her.Inside you see all her inner thoughts in the form of ghosts of her, thinking about you and going over all her mistakes, then come across her upset in the middle of a clearing.You talk a bit, then the ancestors lurking in the trees notice you, a vile mon'keigh, penetrating the soul of this vulnerable autistic eldar maiden, and prepare to destroy you with xenos mind raysShe's like "nooo don't hurt my elantach" and shields you, then when you both wake up her spirit stone has been cracked by the ancestors' fury. The other eldars recoil from her in horror. It's a big part of the romance.
>>541827209Justice was a great character, though. DA2 really destroyed both him and Anders, neither one was written the way they were in their original appearances.
>>541813350>>slutty space brown gypsyJae is indian or some shit, it's not appealing
>>541829735Or you can just let her work everything out herself and reach a much better resolution for both her and your demesne. Letting the "romance" end there is the best choice you can make. Well, second best, since the actual best choice is killing Yrliet on Janus to begin with.
>>541829974>DA2 really destroyed both him and Anders, neither one was written the way they were in their original appearances.DA2 jihadkino was really cool anders to do thoughTotal templar death, he singlehandedly mogs kirkwall
>>541829710Lann calls Seelah a nigger
>>541830139Yeah pretty much. You still get her working for you for half a century, then leaving amicably.
>>541830158>Total templar death>Just blows up the Chantry>Could've just walked in on the Templar HQ>Somehow leaves MeredithHe had a shit plan and I'm not sure if this is good writing or not but you're character not questioning why he's asking you to collect saltpeter was pretty weird.
I like yirlet because she calls idira a monkey
>>541830158Playing templar mage hawke and killing that flanderlized character is the highlight of DA2.
>>541830158>DA2 Anders was really coolObjectively false statement.
>>541830417No the highlight of DA2 is fighting dragons on the hardest difficulty / unlocking fireball because it has a great animation in that gameAlso every scene with fenris in it
>>541830013>Jae is indianShe's like the least indian woman I've ever seen. She's Persian and maybe a little bit Arab. Have you ever met or heard an indian woman.
>>541830417One of the worst parts about DA2 is the fact it forces you to pick a side and both sides are incredibly retarded jackasses. You should've had a route where you just curb stomp both of them and assert yourself as the new Duke of Kirkwall or something.
>>541830491>blah blah blah stuffShe talks like she's apu, manI don't care what it's meant to be, she makes me think she smells bad"Ashmag shereen">>541830587>You should've had a route where you just curb stomp both of them and assert yourself as theLame + faggot
>>541830395anon, she calls everyone a monkey. also its funny how in act 4 yrliet acts like she gives a shit about other companions and their problems when she very much did not care in the previous acts. she did not have any character growth.
>>541830587Templars are so morally correct they needed to make meredith some lyrium drug addict freak to even the scales.
>>541830417>templar mage hawkeMy go to path.Hypocritical? yes, but I always have my Hawkes swing towards the need of the Circles after what happens to his mom.
>>541830395I like idira because she terrorises marazhai
>>541830718I think at that point even a mage hawke would see why the circles and templars are necessary. Only side with mages if my sister is in the circle.
>>541824713Yeah it's funny. Most of them don't actually join you in the bath. Argenta makes you do pushups, Abelard gives you a long lecture on the history of the dynasty, Yrliet sings for you and is astonished when you are able to join in for a duet, etcYou only get to do each one once.
>>541830695Templars aren't morally correct though, I certainly would never be willing to cede my freedom just because I *might* be a danger, so I can see the Mages point of view. The issue being both sides are incompetent morons who act like petulant and angry teenagers so it really kills the entire theme they were going for since you end up disgusted by both.
>>541830959Argenta doesn't just do pushups, she does a full body workout with you that leaves both of you sweating and panting. They knew what they were doing.
>>541831001They are morally correct since the greater good of society matters more than the freedom of an individual.
>>541830695>Morally correctMaybe as a whole but I'm certain they flat out show you how the Kirkwall branch is just awful. The same goes for Mages too anyway since the leader randomly decides to become an abomination at the end for no good reason.
>>541824713Yeah it's good, you should do it. Some of them have skill checks to pass.
>>541831204False. A society that must sacrifice the freedom of an individual for a "greater good" is not a society worth living in.
>>541831207They definitely exaggerated both the mages and templars from origins. But just like origins the templars are the rational choice if you weren't playing a game wanting the best companion.
>>541831001>I certainly would never be willing to cede my freedom just because I *might* be a dangerMeredith's family thought the same about one of their daughters, then the girl gets herself possessed and destroys three whole villages.
>>541831204>since the greater good of society matters more than the freedom of an individual.Me when I'm drafted to go to the meatgrinder.
>>541831324Lolbert nonsense. Enjoy getting brutally murdered from an abomination.
>>541830734>be me>at the owlcat mandated slutshaming part of the game where you have to choose your waifu for laifu and stop fucking around>decide to flip a coin>it lands on yrliet>later on get a banter of idira checking up on cassia because she's been taking it hard and crying into her pillow at night>ylriet gets one nice scene and thats it until credits where the endings bugged and she becomes a spess piratedon't make my mistake bros, that one nice scene isn't worth all the trouble yrliet puts you through, I should have just gone with cass
>>541831447That's a different question on whether enslaving young men is a good in wartime. Preventing the possibility of essentially town destroying threats from roaming free is another. I wonder if the pro-mage side thinks guns should be available to all with no checks whatsoever.
>>541831635>later on get a banter of idira checking up on cassia because she's been taking it hard and crying into her pillow at nightLol that's nice reactivity
>>541831493I know your kind xenos and I will retain my freedom no matter how you try to portray or sell your so called greater good being more worthy than my own individual rights.
[Great News] You will be able to date the cuckgender single parent bug in Starfinder: Afterlight
>>541831368That's like saying we should ban all guns because one guy went on a rampage with one. Freedom comes at a cost but it's a cost any right thinking man should be more than willing to pay.
>>541829735Funniest bug was this bugging out and the game stranding you in Janus with no exits
>>541831207>>541831342The plot excuse was that the whole city is cursed due to ancient mages doing frequent blood rituals by sacrificing slaves in the region. it makes demon possession and madness way more frequentSo like always mages are the root of their own problems.
>>541831889The circle allows vetted mages to leave the towers. Everyone but amerimutts thinks gun owners should be vetted.
>>541831713yeah everyone has banters relating companions breaking up the RT/ the RT choosing someone else, most of them are sad, ones just mazipan bullying yrliet over it though which is funny
>>541831830This setting sounds like absolute garbage.
>>541831958kek. Forgot about that. Even the "evil" templars is due to mage influence.
>>541831976Vetted by who? You are implicitly giving up your own rights by allowing outside forces to dictate what you can or cannot do, and you cannot be so stupidly naive to believe said forces are going to be acting in your best interests or even be moral, virtuous agents. Every man has the right to self determination and the Mage towers take that away. That's unacceptable. Yes, Mages can be a threat, but a solution should be found that doesn't forcibly imprison people and take away their sovereignity because they MIGHT cause harm.
>>541832178Do mages have any defence beyond lolbert tripe?
Surely you tools are not examining the moral dilemma of DA2 through the lens of modern Amerimutt politics
>>541831889Gun comparisons don't really work for DA.Mages are not people with guns, they are the guns. Guns that should be locked up so niggers(demons) can't go out on a rampage with them.
>>541831830>Thought this was usual shitposting>There is literally a third gender that only exists to carry the babies from the actual couplesGod damn
>>541832332DA2 was created through the lens of amerimutt politics. Play the game retard.
>>541832305Do you have any actual argument as to why you should give up self determination to an outside group or entity that you cannot guarantee will care about your well being whatsoever? Trusting larger forces and outside interests to take control of your life is not a winning move.
>>541832332Americans and the esl larpers are completely incapable of examining anything through any other lens
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE MAGES ARE EVIL
>>541832475All the mages belong to the same ethnic group and country in which their circle is housed. It's not an outside group. You are sent to the circle to protect your family and ethnic kin.
>NOOO I AHTE MAGES *consumes manastone and starts doing magic*Ermmm...
>>541831989>ones just mazipan bullying yrliet over it though which is funnyI really want to see this now, I'll have to try to find it in the game files
>>541832413It's the same argument though. People say guns should all be banned because there are people that commit crimes with them and endanger the lives of others. And of course by "banning" guns you are actually not banning them, you are just making them the exclusive property of the government and government forces. Note how all the militaries in the DA world still make use of Mages, despite their "dangerous nature", it's just fine to use them when the government needs them around, but otherwise no one can be a Mage and live their own life for their own goals, instead they are all corralled and utilized only as the government dictates. If you would actually accept that kind of treatment you are a slave with a slaves mentality.
>stop torturing and raping mages>turn the circles into mandatory public schooling>mages stop being socially stunted nutcases Wow I fixed it
>>541832475Am*ericans (I presume) live and die by licking the boot, it's why you see so many "heh... yeah I kiiinda freaking suck everyones balls on command, I'm a little bit of a dogmachad..." posts about rogue trader
>>541831713There's another one if your bring Ylriet and Cassia along after that and she says you two make colors no one has ever seen before in the most broken and sad voice
>>541832548>eurotards pretending their cuck continent hasn't been dominated by progressive American politics since the 60sHave some self-awareness.
>>541831635Meh Cassia isn't that great either in the endThey're all a bit shitBut there's one girl who's loyal
>>541832745NOOO YOU CANNOT TREAT THEM LIKE HUMANS
>>541832609Protect them from what? A possibility? A man shouldn't have to give up his freedom and self determination because of what he MIGHT do.
>>541832890Should a man be imprisoned for having cp on his pc?
>>541832839How is she loyal? She has children with Abelard (and several other men) in her endings.
I never see the break-up banters because I always play with No Jealousy turned on, because I'm too non-confrontational to break up with anyone.
>>541833003Should a mage be imprisoned for having cp on his crystal globe?
>>541833030>secures the strongest genes to create the next generation of officersBless you Jocasta
>>541833003I personally believe anyone who engages in sexual activities of any kind outside of marriage, for the purposes of reproduction, is a worthless waste of flesh that should be terminated posthaste.
Should a man be imprisoned because a mage conjured up cp into his mind via magic?
>>541833303So sexual sins are suddenly under the remit of the state but walking around as a potential nuke is just dandy? Real amerimutt moment.
>>541833030I've never actually gotten that one, I thought it was just something anon made up
>>541833460All you have to do is to tell Abelard that he can't go home. He gets jungle fever from being stuck on the ship
>>541833459I didn't say I would invoke the government in order to make my principles prevail, though. In fact the existence of the government and its trifling "rules of law" are the entire reason degeneracy cannot be purged by those with the will and strength to do so.
>>541832781>she says you two make colors no one has ever seen before in the most broken and sad voiceHuh? How can that be? Y*rliet thinks of you as an amusing pet, or a good friend at best. There shouldn't be any exceptional colors.Cassia must be mistaken.
>>541832745Demon possession is not something that stops once you get older and trained.This is not an issue that would go poof just because you graduated Hogwarts after 7 years of education.The circles already are mandatory public schools btw, all mages get education.
Mages aren't nukes though, abominations can only happen if they enter the fade (intentional) or meet a physical demonThe "danger" of mages is their power to do shit that guys with swords can't counter, that's the whole point of the chantryTevinter is just doing their shit no problem, with their fake jobber chantry not doing shit, and there's no problems, mages aren't actually "ticking timebombs"
>>541833554Lol well fair enough. He's earned that chocolate.
>>541831745Man people wanna fuck those
>>541832745>never played DA award.Finn is a greater linguist on ancient elvish than the dalish and he never left the tower.>>541834002It's not intentional. Every single time any elf or human dreams they enter the fade. Another award.
There's literally nothing wrong with a little blood magic here and then as long as you're in control
>>541834139The key here is the not locking them up in a religious torture institution part
Mages suffering from demonic possession does not matter in Veilguard at all. So they are fine Templar chuds
>>541834267There is no religious torture. Meredith was corrupted and unusual.
>>541834139>Every single time any elf or human dreams they enter the fade.Demons can't possess dreamers and mages CAN be "awake" in the fade while dreaming, but there is nothing to indicate that can happen unintentionally, no mage in the entire circle has ever met a demon before their harrowing, as per playing the damn game, and they've been in the tower for years
I don't know man, Tevinter looks pretty decent.
>>541834253Blood magic is just using lifeforce instead of lyrium so yeah unironically, you don't even have to kill people, it's just a lot more potent to do soThe only relation demons have to blood magic is that they're often how most mages seek to learn how to use it, blood magic isn't "demonic"
>>541834351>only mage kid outside the tower you meet is possessedHmm maybe the templars have a good educational regimen then.
Cassandra should have been a lesbian
>>541834575>the child that intentionally entered a pact with a demon out of his own free will in a moment of desperation to try and save his fatherUndermining your own point
>>541834349There’s so many fucking examples of it in the franchise outside of kirkwall
>>541834679>Reminded of mods that turns Dorian straightHilarious
>>541834707My point is that mages are subhumans who can't be trusted with freedom. Seems to bolster my argument if anything.
>>541834798>ermm umm actually m-mages could get possessed out of nowhere!>>no, they can't>well what about->>that's not what happened>w-well... sounds like a win for me!Nyo
>>541834351We know children mages from outside the circle who did.It's more likely that they do something in the circle to keep the students from meeting demons.>>541834707A single desperate child being able to destroy a village is a massive point towards the need of circles.
>>541834368No dude you have to blindly accept the beliefs of a religion that formed in response to mages oppressing everyone. They couldn’t possibly think all mages are a danger for any other reason.
>>541834893>mage strawmanningGet tranquiled faggot.
>>541834920>We know children mages from outside the circle who did.Name one singular example, not even 2, just one>A single desperate child being able to destroy a village is a massive point towards the need of circles.Completely irrelevant to the argument
>>541835037Name 2 child mages you meet outside of the circle in origins.
>>541834920That village was also crippled by Loghain.
>>541835209Nuh uh I asked you first
>>541835263I already got Connor. Prove a counter-example of a mage child outside of the circle not being a danger. Muh daddy isn't an argument.
>>541835352>I already got (debunked argument like 2 posts above)Kekarola
Why did Hawke’s entire apostate family turn out fine
>>541835486>no exampleMage sisters it's over....
>>541835537Because unless you somehow meet a demon and are forcibly possessed or let them possess you nothing happens and the most "danger" you present is you one day maybe going "maybe I WILL set the police station on fire with my mind beams..."
>>541835537Because anything after origins is a dogshit EA cashgrab
The morality of keeping mages locked up is moot when everything bad to have happened in the games was caused by mages, elves and elven mages.With VG even the shit caused by normal non-magical people had mages behind them too.At this point keeping those creatures down is a survival instinct built into every human being, just imagine what hellhole Thedas would have been if they didn't neuter mages for a few ages.
>>541835831That's just cause normalfags can't do anything more dangerous than swing a stick around thoughThey'd cause blights and whatever else if they had the capacity to too
>>541835352>only example is the kid tutored by the retarded incompetent blood mage loghain sent to kill his dad
>>541836116The funny thing is that guy never even got possessed either
They should have done a game where they defend the Imperium's way of doing things the way they did southern thedas. But that would require them to not be bioware at this point.
How do you go from this to "non binary" qunaris and bharvs. It's actually amazing how they created this cool setting only to ruin it with every sequel until they literally nuked the setting and then ran off leaving the IP to die.
>>541836994That’s literally every 40k property
>>541837765Old talent left and the "old time liberal" ethos transitioned into wokism.
I generally like Owlkek but some of their edgy dialogue is pure comedy sometimes
Damn her final battle speech is garbage compared to Alistair's
>>541837963Great crpg post
>>541837848Not really. They spent 3 games disparaging it so it's only fair to show it from their perspective as a character from there. This would never have happened however because byzantinism reared its head and you would have always been an inquisition agent infiltrating it. Always from the outside looking in.
>>541838273He's not entirely right but you can do better to refute his comment in where he's wrong
>>541838489No
>>541838273All the classic crpgs have a 90s-00s liberal ethos to them.
Looking back in general, Bioware's trajectory from beloved RPG dev in the 2000s to a complete laughing stock of a studio starting from the mid 2010's is kind of crazy to see.
I don't think woke politics is responsible for the decline and fall of Bioware, except that it created a cloud of negativity around them among some of the fans that their games weren't otherwise able to overcome on their own merits. I think it had more to do with the attempt to shift towards multiplayer/service games, which was driven by EA. The only game they ever made that had a successful multiplayer component other than the venerable NWN1 was Mass Effect 3 and that seemed like a lucky fluke. They wasted money and years on Anthem, money and years on whatever service-based Dragon Age game we were going to get before they abandoned it and made the game we got. Also the feeling within Bioware apparently that ponderous single player PC-focused party-based RPG gameplay could no longer be successful leading to a focus on rapid "action" gameplay. Because of that, even though I liked Mass Effect as a mostly non-RPG, its influence on the company was bad. Dragon Age 2 tried to focus the player on Hawke more. I remember interviews at the time saying they specifically were trying to create an "iconic" protagonist like Shepard for Dragon Age (though not to reuse the character in sequels I'm sure like Shepard). Finally The company lost creative personnel over time and did not adequately replace them. This can reduce the output quality of any company even in the best of circumstances.
The same thing happened to wotc with both the dnd and mtg franchises. I grew up playing dnd, mtg, and bioware videogames and they were all fun games; well made with good rules and good lore. Then in the mid 2010's there was a concerted effort by various private equity firms to spread "the message" and suddenly you had a ton of real life political commentary inserted into these franchises. At this point it wasn't that bad, because they were still fun games with otherwise creative worlds surrounding them, but it did get worse over time. Eventually the political commentary was favored over making a coherent world, and you would just get straight up real life political issues put into the games, or worse, real life non-issues that very few people actually care about but are talking points for a small number of people.People will often say "well dragon age and mass effect were always queer friendly" but this doesn't address the issue. Not very many people are complaining that there are optional homosexual romances or a few of the cast are homosexual. The only people to complain about those are the actual chud stereotype. And most of those characters, like Dorian and Sera, are well written in addition to being gay, so it's still a matter of the actual writing quality, not just that they're gay. Well written gay characters are not the issue, the issue is when people with a political agenda are given writing positions, or people who already have writing positions are socially pressured to include something that isn't natural. The writing quality suffers as the ulterior motives increased. That's the issue. You can write a story about a Qunari who doesn't feel comfortable with female societal roles, that is not inherently bad, but when they sit down at the dinner table and say "well...I'm non-binary" with irl slang terms and nobody has a chance to question or disagree and the world bends around them, it becomes an issue if actual bad writing.
Obsidian leaker here, the next game they are making is arcanum 2 and they are contracting Tim Cain to be apart of the development. It will take place on a new continent inspired by Canada and the United States. It will take place years (not sure how many yet) after one, it still be steampunk and medieval.
>>541818387With 4 man parties, you're locked to warrior/rogue/mage/priest, and hybrid classes have no place. 6 man parties let you have redundancy and experiment with builds without spending every party slot on core essentials.
Crazy idea: Make an entirely custom party.
>>541840792>>541841312I think you're not wrong, especially in capturing the sentiment I had in observing and playing these games from its golden era.Do you think there's some marketing element? Like a belief that self-sabotaging a narrative with these elements won't hurt sales but rather might help them, while also securing income sources? I sometimes feel like they expect something like Veilguard for example to sell regardless, and that putting in the preaching is actually just in service of getting eyeballs on the product.
I bet that Paladin is the most common player class in Wrath of the Righteous.
