bonk editionStore links:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksonghttps://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_KnightInteractive Map:https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloomGame Save Analyzer / Tacker:https://silksong-completionist.com/Wiki:https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Hollow_Knight_Wiki Previous Thread >>542285972
gets freed by hornet. hornet kills him. what did it all mean...
>>542745023he didn't want to be freed
act 3 is ok, the real tedious shit is reaching it
another downgrade to HK that I haven't seen anyone mention is how soulless the npc voicelines are. Every npc voice in HK1 was memorable, we got Bapanada, Velmi Artred, Chocolate Tits, and even Hornet herself, Git Gud. I legit cannot remember a single voiceline in SilkSong out of the top of my head, it's like someone or something suck all the soul out of Team Cherry during production
Hear me out: SS godhome but co-op where all bosses are either double or have a lot of adds
>>542745884>i personally didn't notice a thing that means the game is soulless and team cherry fucked up or maybe you're just a faggot
>>542745884Priviet
>>542746209Give me your favorite silksong line.Can't think of one? yeah, thought so
>>542746476POSHANKAPrataka, mtera!Parah vosstMusha nushlaMejina fora
>>542746476Every single line of the Relic buying worm in Bellhart. Pure kino.
>>542743986#31 + 1 = #32
>>542747135Honestly thought that was a dude.
>>542746476Idk. Nuu's I guess.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>542746476CHALAMET
>>542748381ulamu!ulamu nuu :3
>>542748307Very girlish timbre.
VIENTE
Lace you little brat
>>542745023He didn’t say thank you.
>>542746476“Because filling your body with Plasmium is so beneficial! It protects you from harm! And it feels so exquisitely good! My assistant and I have been injecting Plasmium into the local flora and fauna since we arrived. No ill effects have been observed, and so we can conclude that the process is utterly, completely safe.”Act 4 hijinks ensue.
>>542746476Savage Beastflys' needolin lyrics are metal as hell.>Hunt the weak, devour the dead>Ancestor's echo, rumbling cry>Scars and cracks and stolen lives
I think SilkSong has a narrative problem that makes it so that people perceive it as tedious towards the end of act 2 and all of act 3.Looking back at Hollow Knight, the endgame is somewhat clear from the start. You get to visit the chamber of the final boss early on, and the in game texts sort of suggests it's the evil sealwed whithin that you have to defeat once and for all. It's kind of a Chrono Trigger situation where you can do the bare minimum and go fight the final boss, and if you still like the game, there's more to do and extra endings to unlock. Most people drop it at the pantheon shit, it's trash bossrush mode made for tryhard retards with no concept of fun, and the ending previous to that feels like it closes the story anyways.Now let's look at SilkSong, by the time you unlock the first ending, which is very clearly a bad, unsatisfying ending, you would already be at the pantheon in HK1, and dropping the game, satisfied at the point where you left it. Bu in SilkSong there's, a lot more, just to unlock a satisfying ending. And on top of that, narratively speaking, GMS is not an antagonist. It is never clear why she summoned hornet, and the in game text only paints her as a victim in a larger plot of a kingdom's fail. You are not a hero vanquishing evil, your presence here is a last desperate act of a dying god, and your recurrent villain is a retarded child who only shipfag retards care about. HK is a quest with and objective and an ending. SilkSong is a tour through a neat world. Defeating the boss is not satisfying and doesn't end anything narratively speaking. That is why it's perceived like a chore towards the end
>>542757024>a retarded child who only shipfag retards care aboutthank youlacefags are insufferable
>>542757024>Defeating the boss is not satisfying and doesn't end anything narratively speakingIncredibly dumb take.
>>542756862If I remember correctly, there's a rock or metal like thumping as he's singing it too.
>>542757024>and your recurrent villain is a retarded child who only shipfag retards care about.How dare you. I don't ship Lace at all and I like her.
>search speedrun videos to see the tricks the community has discovered>open any video>male voice trying to sound female>close videoevery time
It's that time of the run again. Have to take this beauty's heart. I dont want to man but the thought having to interact with that gay prince gives me hives
The second I met a cute little singing bug I assumed he wouldn't make it
>>542759316verdania felt so half assed and the bossfight was just easier cogwork dancers, such a disappointmentI hope they're working hard on polishing all the cut/half baked areas for a dlc
>>542759387>Cute little singing bug>Puppy-like fleas get a sanctuary.TC's softer than I thought.>>542759316Understandable. At least you respect her enough to morn killing her. Give her a good fight. The best one she never had when awake.
>>542759291I dont think you tried very hard since Blue is a pretty popular dude. Thay said the entire community would hate your chud ass regardless lol.
>>542759920>TC's softer than I thought.Hornet's softer than we thought, so it makes sense.
>>542760006>Thay said the entire community would hate your chud ass regardless lolgood
>>542759316i kill green prince solely to have karmelita's beating in my bellhome
I wonder how easy the game will be a year from now, given that every patch/update seems to make some part of the game easier. Honestly surprised they haven't caved in yet and nerfed the high halls gauntlet or Groal runback given that they're the most complained about things by far.
>>542762570Harder since they'll have added dlc bosses and goofy shit like pantheon of pharloom.
They should buff the Sandworms and Cogs so they do 2 damage like they used to, Cogwork Core became laughably easy and Blasted Steps lost a lot of it's "dangerous" atmosphere
>>542763340Just put on the double damage bracelet.
>>542762496oh i never new you could go back after to get Karmelitas into your home cause if you gather all 4 before you talk youre left with the Green shits heart
>>542763340Wait they changed those? When? I could've sworn worms still did 2
>>542763932Really funny no one wants the green prince's heart
>>542762570i actually liked fighting the high halls gauntlet even while limited under speedrun conditions. the only change i would make would be making mount fay and double jump mandatory to access any melody. it's baffling how the most powerful movement ability is located NOT in the citadel, but in a hostile area in a corner of the map that ALSO needs another movement ability to access.
just found shakra's master. this game is pretty powerful man
>>542764223I always do all the side stuff before doing story missions, thankfully.
>>542764094it's less of me disliking him for being gay and more of karmelita being a better fight and experience in every single regard
>>542760006I thought it was referring to Skurry, their voice is so uncanny that I can't watch their videos, atleast Blue sounds like generic young with not too much testosterone lmao
>>542764094More for me, loved Verdania
>>542763950First patch after casuals cried because for them the concept of basic platforming is too punishing
tfw playing a day 1 pirated copy and actually beating the game
>>542765256Its very funny going back to the first week of these threads because people were fucking seething at the prevalence of double damage.
>>542765104Blue mentioned in one of his videos 2 years ago he just entered the Swedish equivalent of high school
Speed complitionist done thank christ. Clocked it in at 20 hours now i can take a few days break before i come back for the steelsoul. No boss took more than 2 tries which is nice and only because i didnt remember their mechanics or i went too fast with flee brew to save time.
>>542765256It doesn't change much at all, and is ludo People are fucking retarded. Although TC is a bit retarded as well for doing these bogus "nerfs" in their single player game
there is no coming back from the souls brainrot. I hope some other studio picks up the hk torch in spirit and make games that are actually fun
Has this general even cooked up anything good? The only drawfag we had dissapeared without a trace, and there doesn't seem to be any real theories here, though there is quite a lot of discussion about GMS, given how weird her motivations seem. If any anon does remember any good talk this thread has had, then do tell me, the threads just feel sort of dead.
>>542774709Yes, I remember.
>>542774709all good things must endat least until the DLC comes out
>>542774709what discussion are you craving brother? do you want to waste your time spinning headcanon? Just wait for the Dlc if you want more people to discuss with . Most of us are still playing the game and you cant really do both at the same time.
>>542775341I don't know, it just feels weird a game that was so awaited ended up with so little discussion. It's only been a month. Though you're right, it will probably pick up again when DLC comes out, or when more people here finish the game.
woohoo steel soul run lost to unravelled. My fault but also I just hate this bossIt's not fun to fight and the health pool is stupid.
>>542777906i died to him once in my speedrun because i didnt remember him that well and i think his hitbox is the most annoying part otherwise hes pretty easy
>>542778073I personally think it depends on when you go after him.Motherfucker tanks nearly the entirety of your tools and still lives and has some really annoying movements like "spear pops up in the cloud of another effect, get fucked I guess"
>>542777906if you're gonna do a steelsoul why wouldn't you just avoid gigacancer bosses like that one
>>542757024It’s pretty obvious that GMS is a massive cunt who is rounding up and butchering weaver spawn in her sleep just for revenge because she’s too retarded to order a couple of haunted bugs to bust up the bullshit that keeps her asleep. Also nothing is wrong with Lace in-game, it’s just the yurifags never shutting up that makes her annoying.
>>542780856he gives a soul heart. Which is massively important. Its correct to kill him and i guess he also wants to do 100% steelsoul
I only have Steel Soul achievements left but i kinda wanna do something fun. I wish Shaman was available in act 2 after you finish the game man. Theres so much fun stuff there to lock it in act 3
>>542780856this >>542781468but now I know I should just do like my first playthrough and deal with him at the end of act 2on my next attempt I think I'm going to speedrun getting all movement upgrades and a few things I personally like to play with (like weavelight and silkspeed) and once I have those, I'll bee-line doing great taste of pharloom and getting the free pale oil as well. After that I basically should be fine but I can still grab other stuff like mask shards.Though, I do want to activate Garmond & Zaza duel even though they don't count toward percentage. I guess I'll put that in as a detour. I suspect that Moorwing can be fought with them as well even if you "skip" it via going to Shellwood. I noticed in one of my random runs that basically it seems less like you skip him from entering Greymoor through Bellhart, and more like "that is Moorwing's last stop"--as I noticed if I went over to the craws Moorwing started following me.
>>542783094based weavelight enjoyer. I always grab it early its too good
>>542757024>GMS is not an antagonist. It is never clear why she summoned hornet, and the in game text only paints her as a victim in a larger plot of a kingdom's fail.she's not even the one to have given the choral commandment, it was probably something from the Conductor days she was willing to finish (the Game makes a big point about how the citadel gives out Choral Commandments, and how exclusive access to the Cradle is 3fold melody required).She gets blamed for somethings she couldn't have any way of doing (Verdania , Old Hearts falling) , which either means the writers of this game didn't nail their own timeline, or she's supposed to be somewhat innocent? the opening poem calls her bound in servitude. Really her only crimes are shitty parenting, and the haunting (to what degree she does this consciously is arguable , why keep the bugs running your prison if you can control them?). she makes a big point about wanting Hornet to come to her, only to then attack her with haunted bugs? I presumed she wants to bind Hornet for some wyrm ability. there is no actual reason given. She could have done well as a more complex villain, but she's almost a blank slate , her only real moment of characterization is her self sacrifice for her daughter, 0 dialogue. A Hero can only be as great as the villain they defeat and well, she's neither amazing from a complex personality, nor powerful alien diety force-of-nature Radiance.
>>542774709Image boards are a bit troublesome for in-depth discussion from the post size limit restricting detail and sliding of threads causing significantly more repetition of prior points. I personally get most of my commentary (and images) from Tumblr.
Hows Architect these days? I was thinking of doing SteelSoul with it and get into fights completely decked out
>>542783667>t.Haunted Simp
>>542745023She was trying to help but he was dead set on dying, at least they changed it so his death leads to Verdania's rebirth.
>>542746476SEXY BOWOI, AHOYFAR RI SU LA TI LA MET
>>542774709>The only drawfag we had dissapeared without a traceYou mean the one that drew this?>If any anon does remember any good talk this thread has had, then do tell me, the threads just feel sort of dead.I've been in all the threads, even some before before that pic. There's been ideas thrown about, but I didn't notice any significant ones or any that stood out.The threads are indeed kinda dead though. I don't think people enjoyed this game like the previous one. I think a good chuck are motivated to beat it, but that's it. I've seen a couple of posts about how it just doesn't really feel fun and feels stressful or tedious.
>>542787854>I don't think people enjoyed this game like the previous onethat's what I've been saying too but the discussion always devolve into namecalling and shitflinging, and it's a shame because artistically, the game is superior to hk
>>542783667GMS utterly fails as head of state, king/empress whatever You can't blame other actors for ruining everything. She must take blame for what the land became under her rule. "Oh this and that group all came and exploited poor old Silk what could she do" Yeah that's the fucking problem. Being an object the entirety of the history of Pharloom and letting everything go to shit. Would people give Pale King excuse after excuse if it was him in this situation? Fuck no.
>>542788464Yeah, every 3 threads or so someone writes passionately about how the game is too punishing or tedious or something. It'll devolve since there's others that disagree. That's just how autistic screeching words.> and it's a shame because artistically, the game is superior to hkNever finished HK1, but from the images posted and my own memories of it, I really liked the blue it had, but even I agree that the art in HK2 has felt better. It feels more refined, maybe?
>>542787854I am surprised you are still lurking here anon. I think it's because of how the game is both relatively new so no schizo tier theories, yet too old for anyone to discover anything new.
>>542787854Now draw a furm with tits anon.
>>542774709GMS is the most self-contradicting character in the game. other retarded characters are First Sinner - bricks the timeline no matter how you dice itPhantom - makes 0 sense why she's working for the citadel whatsoeveras for theories. Sister Splinter has the weaver voice, and her dreamnail dialogue talks about sisters long gone. Sister in this game is exclusively used to talk about spiders , so this Sister, spider, husk bound to branch,Watch over these bugs, passing safe,Warded by fear,No longer your meal. is probably related to her. maybe she's the husk we see reanimated somehow?
Any good Maps yet? That aren't interactive ones I mean.
>>542789624>I am surprised you are still lurking here anon.Me too. I spent so much time trying to beat the game, and even though I finally did, I now find myself checking the threads like clockwork. I figure they'll be fully dead within two months or so (even now some threads end without an anon making a new one prior), but christmas will probably bring in a new surge of players bring life to it again.>I think it's because of how the game is both relatively new so no schizo tier theories, yet too old for anyone to discover anything new.Possibly. TC could've also been slacking in this game. Phantom, for example, feels like she's missing lore and interactions despite being a relatively important character. They also gave this recent update >>542786114 . Did they forget, or is there some important lore reason this was added in? Is this really something they could casually forget to do? Idk.>>542790057I'm not the one who drew that. I didn't save them, but I there was a draw anon (dunno if it was the same) that drew at least two more. I think one of them was a Karmelita.>>542790924I haven't seen any posted here.
>>542790550 Didn't know that one. Plus she does seem to be able to create some thorny branches at will. If this is correct, I don't think she is a weaver, but maybe a descendant of the one the text talks about with maybe one of the coral guys. Though the consensus on her seems to be she usurped Nyleth, and is the matriarch of the stickbugs, which would throw a wrench into your theory, since weavers have a hard time breeding. Her corpse seems to be serving as fertilizer for the new Nyleth moss druid talks about. Speaking of, what's up with the druid?
>>542791389I confused you for the drawfag, sorry. On the topic of the Verdania regrowing thing with the new patch, I think they are teasing DLC, or maybe a big update.
>>542745023>So I am freed, despite no request of mine for aid.>OKAY DIE THEN, FUCKERHornet just doesn't like rudeness. She threatens the vaultkeeper when he wears her patience too. Depending on how you got that key it was a somewhat harrowing task and this depressive fuck sasses her immediately.I don't think she was set on killing him but she clearly didn't really give a shit about him because he was a grump.
>>542787854as the world's #1 hollow knight hater, silksong might make it on my 3x3. I only played HK for a few hours because controlling the character was boring and 1-dimensional, and also because how the map is at the start; it drops you right in the middle of a bunch of areas and forces you to slowly walk your ass all the way from one end to another with no direction. I'm sure you get more movement options later but it was too boring for too long to slog through to find out. silksong fixes both of these issues. hornet is a joy to control and the platforming later on reflects the enhanced mobility. I'm not even in act 3 yet but there are some moments that I will surely never forget, namely the completion and performance of the 3 melodies and finding shakra's master. almost all the characters are instantly memorable, even minor characters like that freaky ass masochist dude that makes silk eaters for you. it's almost enough to make me want to go back and play HK but I know I'll hate it still. maybe I'll just look up a guide and rush all the movement uprades asap at the beginning
>>542791578>Speaking of, what's up with the druid?Druids are having a shit time because half of Pharloom is an ongoing environmental disaster. The island was never meant to have that many deserts.
>>542792881There's more than one?
>>542792597In HK you get a dash but no sprint. If you wanna go quick you spam dash until your RT implodesIt really does feel really bad going back to it after SS
>>542793086yeah that sounds horrible, no regrets dropping it then
>>542774709this game has produced 10x the (mostly yuri) fanart, at the price of 0.5x the discussion
>>542793174It was fine back then, but the improvements in SS ruined itBut it's been 8 years and I'm sure there must be at least a dozen mods to change the knight's walking speed in HK
>>542793023No but even having one desert is one desert too many.
>>542762570They haven't nerfed any boss since the first patch, the fact that they have left Bilewater untouched shows that they still want to filter casuals
>>542793696I am talking about the druids.
>>542762570>Groal runbackHow would you even "nerf" thatIt's literally just a bit of spring, a bit of pogo and another bit of sprintWould you simply remove the mobs that show up?
>>542794343In which case there's also just the one who thinks she might be the last.
I finally beat Nightmare king grimm. I can play Silksong without regrets
>>542764094It looks like a fucking scrotum Who wants bug balls on their shelf
>>542794435Add a bench nearby and make maggots time based or something like that. Tbh I prefer if team cherry doesn't nerf anything, but considering how much the reddit and discord community cry (which are the main communities TC interacts ) I'm not that sure if they will keep their vision
Do the courier jobs respawn? I think I'm seeing one I already did.
>>542795479there is a bench nearby
>>542795509The supply ones are for farming rosaries.
>>542795528I meant next to the boss. Sorry for the lack of clarity.I've seen comments on some people that even that is "too much". Is surprising how much the modern gamer hates anything that isn't instant gratification, everything that takes a bit too long is time waster or lack of qol
>>542796023bullshit, that's like a 1 minute runback from the hidden bench. fuck these faggots
Steelsoul is hitting DIFFERENT in a good way. Lots of planning, preparation and carefulness
What happened to Karak's river?
>>542794439Do we ever find any other dead druids? For example, in Hollow knight with all the snail shamans dead except for the main one, or in silksong with all the Architect husks, or the one with the sentinels, or the pinstress corpse in bilewater. Usually Team Cherry tends to show if there's any other members of a group that are dead, but the druids seem to remain a mystery.
>>542788986The problem is that we don't actually know anything substantive of what the land was like under HER rule because there just isn't any information that can firmly be placed to it, between the intentional dearth of chronology and the downright secret nature of the government changing who's on top.
>>542792225in act 3 she decides to be a goody goody and doesnt even kill bugs begging to die, trynna see her pussy or are total assholes. it's just some sloppa writing
>>542792225>She threatens the vaultkeeper when he wears her patience tooHe has something she needs and she figures that being meek won't get it.>>542798684>doesnt even kill bugs begging to diePinstress snaps out of it quickly enough. She didn't so much want to die as she was resigned to it happening.
>>542774709OC on 4chan has given way to an endless sea of AI slop. There's a reason every single board has an AI general now. Very said but what can you do. Discussion and fanart will carry on in other locations.
>>542798684Its objectively a sloppy rushed plotline becauase they had to patch in a better conclusion via Verdania beginning to regrow with their death. Hornet's writing for GP (abd Karmelita) dont really make sense as the fourth heart.
>>542799932Kind of sad how much 4chan has been taken over by AI while other places outright reject it in every aspect. Almost every board has an AI general nowIt's dire
I just beat the unraveled and it was the most miserable experience of my life.
>>542800864he has very easy punishes. If youre focused and dont take contact damage from being overly aggressive the only attack that can really hurt you is the corpse launching. But no corpse can be thrown on the same spot so you can always dodge where the first corpse was thrown. View this as an opportunity to get better
>>542800864Glad I just used tacks and sawblades, they melted his fatass.>>542800679Well a good chunk of this site is needlessly contrarian or stupid (which isnt great for discourse either), and those kind of people love slurping AI.
>>542801501It's unfortunate. Most of the site thrives in either negativity for the sake of negativity or negativity just to be contrarian. The more people say they dislike AI, the more people start being contrarian and sluping up AI for the sole reason "because people dislike it"It's an endless spiral that sometimes makes parts of the site borderline unusable at times. Unless you have a pocket mod, all you need is someone dedicated to shit up a thread with AI art for it to devolve into nonsense
I don't think I'm good enough to do a steel soul the proper way nor patient enough to again hunt for every power and tool and upgrade I'd need to cheese my way through it
>>542802432You dont really need to cheese but I understand it being intimidating. Personally I used it as an excuse to play the game in a different order and that made it pretty fresh. The scariest part is Act 1 by far.
why would hornet even give a shit about saving lace
>>542803142because Lace saved her
>>542803202i forgot
>>542803142Because of her character arc in Hollow Knight about realizing Ghost was more than just a freaky little void golem. Her conversation after the second Lace fight is explicit.Plus saving Lace also helps save Pharloom. Its a win win.
>>542803142Because she can see the parallels between Lace and Pure Vessel+Knight screaming at her and can recognise that Lace is a kid who grew up with a shit mom and no one else.
>>542803827>>542803862It also plays beautifully into the ending with the knight saving Hornet and Lace (ironically showing definitively they would have been a failure as a hollow knight just like the vessel, demonstrating desires and a will and a mind to think). The knight and Lace are more than what their parents designed them to be, more than extensions of their own goals.
I hate these fanarts where hornet has a spider abdomen
The sheer size of this game just makes the time it takes to get a single oil even more insane. Not to mention the fact the only other oil you can get before act 3 requires a long as fuck fetch quest that includes a bs timed delivery quest.You should not be going into late midgame/endgame with even basic fucking enemies taking several strikes to kill, let alone bosses, and this issue is compounded by the fact that all the good offensive stuff is in late outside of a few exceptions.
>>542805605You get your first nail upgrade as a freebie after releasing Bellhart, quit your bellyaching.
>>542805605>Not to mention the fact the only other oil you can get before act 3 requires a long as fuck fetch quest that includes a bs timed delivery quest.The whispering vault one is basically free
>>542805605>Not to mention the fact the only other oil you can get before act 3 requires a long as fuck fetch quest that includes a bs timed delivery quest.Bro thought her couldn't get the one in whispering vaults until Act 3
>>542805605I find it weird that of the 3 doses of weapon sharpening oil useful only to needlesmiths, two of them would be in possession of some reclusive chef and a gypsy flea patriarch
>>542800281my one issue with the game is that act 3 seems put together in a weird af way or somehow rushed. like the issues are far beyond the weird green prince quest line. act 1 and 2 are peak tho
>>542807175Really the only "difficult part of that wish is the rasher run (not as hard as it seems) and the Crustnut (requires platforming)
>>542807447That was my issue with Act 3 as well. I feels so much shorter than Acts 1 and 2 like it was added much later into development
>>542805725Yes and then you spend several hours unable to upgrade further. Your first upgrade also does next to nothing by the time you get unless you beeline for it, and both sturdier enemies and bosses still take stupid amounts of time to kill which is a genuine concern in a game that locks you to one weapon.The crest bonuses help a bit but not enough by far and this also means some crests like Reaper just get left behind to eat shit.
>>542746476NAO
>>542807950Naaaaaaaaaaaaaao?
>>542807489Nah the only hard part is the retarded flea dodge bullshit
https://archiveofourown.org/works/72496516>this is what GMS and Lace were doing while Hornet fucked around
>>542808475Yeah i said the difficult part of that wish. The cuisine wishThe flea stuff is its own bullshit
Playing Hollow Knight again after beating Silksong.I gotta say, Quirrel at the Blue Lake hit way harder than it did on my previous playthrough.
>>542807175The Citadel used all of theirs in the era where they applied that shit to every pin.
>>542806717>>542806474Are you guys genuinely stupid?
>just learned that apparently a bunch of people use reaper for the entire early game and even act 2What the absolute fuck? How do you try out any of the other crests and decide to stick to reaper? It has good slots sure but it's so fucking slow and the range absolutely does not make up for the attack speed.
what the FUCK is this? is this hostile?
>>542809295You made a retarded post, did you expect to have people not point out the whispering vaults oil?
>>542809837That's a Steel Seer, a spy sent by the City of Steel to observe other lands.
>>542809837no and heal up nigga
>>542811479dont worry im an expert at farming silk in dire situations
>hee-ROO!>hee-ROO!>hee-ROO!>hee-ROO!>hee-ROO!>hee-ROO!Karmelita is so fucking annoying. Shut the fuck up.
>>542810257Maybe you'd understand why you are being called stupid if you read posts before replying to them.
>>542811920if shes so annoying then why do i want to marry her?
Shouldn't she at least be wearing underwear?
>>542813070shes a temptress. Did you even watch her go to sleep animation? Thats every husbands dream
>>542813070>no panties or underwear of any kind>one of her skills is puffing up her cloack giving everyone a view of her naked body>despite being part weaver doesn't even attempt crafting clothes when hers are stolen>no problem running around naked>routinely seen talking to minors>carries strings of beads around at all times>allows horny old fleas to watch her bathing and doesn't even comment on itBoys I don't think Hornet is beating the slut allegations
>>542813070>>542813474>>542813730People aren't joking when they call her an h game protag
>>542813730
>>542814015Just needs a human man to straighten her out.
>>542814015>Hornet just runs around in a cloak and nothing else because she's just a huge pervert
>>542814860why do you think she insisted Kratt be in charge of Flee Bounce? She wants him to still looks so she can slap him again even though we all know Kratt is innocent
>>542815471Are we sure Kratt isn't a bit of a masochist?
>>542813070Would you let Hornet crush your balls with those tarsal claws?
>>542815624He probably isn't. At least not originally.
>>542814042Broke Bitch
>>542793086HK has CDash which is faster than sprint
>>542815818Post spiderpaws
>>542814042
Can we all give a big thanks to Mosshome route 56 beads per minute? Financing my runs since hour 1 of playing the game
>>542746476NUSHLA NUSHLA
>>542757024Hilarious when someone just simply wasn't good enough to finish P5 and decides it's not because they're not good at games but because it's actually only for tryhards lol!!!
Not seen it talked about much but Hornet holding onto her cloak that she made from when she was a child says a lot about her as a person such a sentimental bug pretending she isn't
>>542824015It makes the fact that you can destroy the mini-Hornet statue even weirder. Because she'd definitely keep it and put it in her Bellhome
>>542824380It really is strange how that isn't a keepsake but the Green Prince's still beating heart is.
>>542746476HARI DIN HOOKE ADO
>>542824536I wanted the Twelfth Architect's cogheart to be a keepsake, too.
>>542824536>Can't keep the 12th architects heart (I know there's another like it but they could've made it look different)>Can't keep the Hornet statue>But you can put the weird scrotum heart on your mantleTC i don't get you sometimes...
it is weird yeah i have to assume it was an oversight from it being from such an early part of the game while the mementos were probably added much later
>>542825236It's even weirder too since those two items would make more sense as mementos than the ones you do get
>>542825205I honestly thought I was slick showing up with four hearts on the second playthrough. But no, the hearts are all destined for the mantlepiece life while nothing before Act 3 gets the slot.
>>542825475Would've been interesting if getting all 4 of the hearts got you something different. Maybe a different ending
Galagar MOSKE!
>>542825879I'm not playing another round of flea juggle, 72 is a high enough score for me.
>>542825035you can get another copy of that, probably the reason why it isn't
>>542825637maybe not another ending but what if it extended the memory sequence? i did find it odd how the Pale king seems to almost entirely absent from it but maybe they were just that distant? which is made even more odd by the fact the White lady seems to have embraced her like she was her own daughter despite being the product illicit pairing
>>542826303Twelfth deserved better....
>>542826350They're being left out to continue the trend where you never actually get to see them, just see them haunting the narrative. You can still hear the White Palace theme in the Red Memory theme.That and Hornet is probably trying hard not to think about what she got from the Pale King after also trying to shove a goddess into the void and having it blow up in her face.
>>542796023>time waster or lack of qolIt's because the modern mainstream audience doesn't like videogames.They see games as canisters of dopamine gummies. Anything that frustrates rushing to the next checklist item / gold star / ego massage is experienced as a transgression.Like, imagine if you're trying to eat a bunch of grapes and some guy keeps slapping your hand away and asking you to solve a calculus problem before you can have the next grape. What a dickhead! You didn't want to do calculus, you wanted grapes!I blame the encroachment of marketing psychology into game design. In the name of retention metrics, audiences have been trained to expect (and selected for the expectation of) a high level of spoon feeding and flattery.
>>542808251EYLA!
I forgot how difficult the platforming in sinners road is without double jump and hook. ESPECIALLY in Steelsoul i had to go back to heal 3 times
>>542825879MAMOSHKA!
>>542826543I miss her
>>542826543She got to die instead of serving eternally. She welcomed her end.
HOLY FUCK MY HEART. i took a detour from sinners road and ended up in the mist. Thankfully i already learn how to farm wraiths on my first run. Then said how about i just get the flea and BOOM first try (only try) Phantom VERY early in the game basically after Widow. Holy my HEART BRO i was so unbelievably locked in
>>542830503I failed the QTE because I forgot the actual buttonsshould've said to use the silk skill
IMO there should be way more synergy between tools of all colors with bonus effects (not all need to be good). Hell, by endgame there should either be a mechanic to fuse some yellows or a hidden super tool that gives you compass + fast dash + grip or something like it.
>>542833056yea i would appreciate more tool variety. I want to be swarmed in choices
- Updated Simplified Chinese translation with a new script for public testing. This is a basic implementation only, to be refined and updated based on player feedback.- Various localisation fixes implemented across all languages.- Switched to Unity's Input System to improve overall controller support. This includes rumble features now working for various controllers, and additional controllers being recognised. Some issues may remain. For a full list of supported controllers and features, please visit: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.inputsystem@1.14/manual/SupportedDevices.html- Fixed Styx not giving rosaries when delivering the Queen's Egg.- Fixed Druid's Eyes sometimes not equipping correctly when first acquired.- Fixed some down attack colliders getting stuck on in rare instances.- Fixed several instances of Hornet's plasmified state clearing when not intended (eg Bellway travel).- Fixed issues entering the plasmified state when killing a Winged Lifeseed, rather than using the Plasmium Phial.- Reduced unintentionally long bind time when using Multibinder with the Shaman crest.- Updated Multibinder's initial bind to clear maggots, per community comments.- Various smaller tweaks and fixes.
>>542836814>- Updated Multibinder's initial bind to clear maggots, per community comments.Oh thank god
>>542836814>Fixed several instances of Hornet's plasmified state clearing when not intended (eg Bellway travel).nice
Just what the fuck triggers the skull tyrant bone bottom attack? I remember some weeks ago some anon said it was preventable i just dont see how
>>542838951It's a canon event. The only thing that's preventable is Pilby's death
>>542840897how? :*(
>>542841029Talk to him enough before the Tyrant comes and he'll eventually leave Bone Bottom and head for Pilgrim's Rest
>>542838951Just stay the fuck away from Bone Bottom until Act 2 is triggered if you've killed the Skull Tyrant.
>>542798661Most likely explanation is that Weavers didn't change things radically. That goes for every single faction. They built on what came before, likely became increasingly deranged in their methods and so on. GMS started expansion of domains, used weavers as top guys in that quest. Things soured between them eventually.
>>542824380Except she doesn't. She displays a heart on the wall, but not the statue. (it's too embarrassing to show off the Hornet statue, it stays in the bag)
>>542843284I just remembered something VERY important for Steelsoul 100%. In Act 3 at the very beginning you are forced to face a gauntlet of 4 VOID INFUSED enemies at 4 HEALTH POINTS with NO trinkets AAAAAND only a Silkspear. What the fuck is this cooked from the start? A single hit and youre done
>>542844846It's the developers subtly encouraging you to embrace a quit out or get really good at that particular quartet before you try steel soul.
Will we get more areas added in future updates?
>>542845478Perchance
Im never removing plasmium from my tools fuck that bro. Mask broke and was at 1 health plasmium came in like a hero.
>>542798684>doesnt even kill bugs begging to dieThat depends on their reason to do so. "Because apocalypse" isn't a valid reason (because she'll fix it in a bit), so she denies them. "Because Verdania/Twin Lover is gone forever" is a valid reason, so she kills him.
>>542803142She doesn't, it was just necessary for saving Pharloom. The muh vessel parallels are pretty forced and they get shattered to pieces 30 seconds into the ending sequence anyway.
>>542803142Hornet's method of "saving" is "prickle the shit out of them with needle until they either get their head in order or die". It just happened to work with Bell Beast, Huge Flea, and Lace. It didn't work with Garmond (well, to be fair, it kinda-sorta worked for him, too. He got sane at the end). Yes, it's that easy.
>>542841029>>542840897One thing that confuses me is I don't know how to get Pilby's name.On my other 100% attempts I can never get him to tell me. I think it has to do with taking the skull tyrant quest? I really have no idea.
>>542851537aha, I bet it's thisI keep not getting this because it's kinda weird to head back to bone bottom after meeting Shakra but before getting silkspear
>>542851537Just got to go back to him really frequently and get all the niche dialogues.
>>542844846if you save and quit there you should restore your healththe enemies aren't too big of a deal I think
>>542803142Because she sees that a mom wants to save a daughter and that personally resonates with her heavily.People who ship Lace and Hornet seem to forget that throughout the game Hornet does not have much good to say toward Lace. She at most gives her some reassurances but she thinks fairly little of Lace in terms of Lace's personality. She even yells at her (rare)
DO NOT DO THIS WITHOUT DOUBLE JUMP. ESPECIALLY ON STEELSOUL
>>542853637This was abyss escape or that one place in far fields?Well, I guess I wouldn't want to do either without double jump. 'Grats none-the-less.
>>542853943if i had 6 masks during the abyss escape i might aswell delete the savefile
>>542746476Skabedabo
>>542796593The hardest part of steel soul is doing early hunter's march for fractured mask, then it's just quitout kino again.
>>542809767I use it in bilewater to help me platform and stay healthy t. beast user
>>542809767People have their own play styles and feels. Sometimes it not about optimum, but comfort.t. 24/7 wanderer user
>>542807950That one is so cute. I wish there were more little doors to call at.
>>542861104But wanderer is one of the best crests
Is there a true ending where you *dont* save Lace
>>542836814>- Updated Multibinder's initial bind to clear maggots, per community comments.Oh no, they are giving in.
>>542841130doesn't that means he dies in act 3 though?
>>542840897it's entirely predictable though. don't sit on the bone bottom bench. when act 3 starts it'll never come.
Without spoilers, what's yhe final trigger for act 3? As in, if you clear x area or talk to x NPC you've done it?I wanna know so I can go get the act 2 end before heading into 3 since I heard it changes a lot of stuff and some fights are only available in act 2.
>>542867938>what's the final trigger for act 3?Playing sneedolin at the specific time an place.Don't worry, you need to take the quest, collect bunch of stuff, and turn it in to progress to act3. Can't do it accidentally.
>>542869308Alright, thanks. When you unlock the hook shot and double jump a bunch of shit opens up so I was fearing I might accidentally trigger it.
Kinda sad I got double jump so early because it trivializes sinner's road and bilewater platforming
>>542873001it's required to access 80% of bilewater, it doesn't trivialize it
Sinners road is the third best area in the game for meIts maggotkino
>>542849094zaza is in a permanent state of depression and mourning after don quixote dies and hornet doesn't shove a nail through them. that reason makes no sense. it's an oversight
>>542873270Alright. That's good. Still feels like platforming is too easy, which is why I made the post. Yeah bilewater still sucks because there's like no benches and maggots but there's not much challenge traversing it as I'd like
>>542867938At the end of the big boss battle, you'll be given an option of A of B, the moment you defeat her. Choosing B is the only way to start Act 3. So even if you beat the boss, and do literally everything else, it still wont start, until you click B in that moment. Unless you misclick, as other anon said, you can't do it accidentally, so feel free to play without care.I recommend doing everything you can before Act 3. Also, if you beat the big boss while cursed you get a special ending. You also get an ending if you pick the A option (or picking no option if you didn't do the quest to trigger the B option). I'm telling you this 'cause you'll be locked out of it for sure once you start Act 3. You can get those endings, and load the game and still continue where you last saved.
>>542857049these guys are so fucking funy i swear, doesn't help it sounds like theyre saying skibidi
>>542882201Thanks for the info. I knew the endings were like HK as far as reloading after the boss goes but wasn't sure if the tells were as obvious.>>542873001Bilewater is a ahit fucking area so trivializing it is good
>>542886280I like bilewater. The constant respawning enemies means free silkBut I don't know where the mythical hidden bench is and that makes me sad.
>>542886367Under water
>>542886367to be fair it's really well hidden. I bet most players looked it up
>>542887205I certainly did.
>>542762570What's with the High Halls gauntlet? I beat it on like 2nd or 3rd try. I just spammed tacks and sting shards and they all just died.
Im almost done with act 3 and I just wanna make sure I do all I need for 100%Thus far I have all masks, all silk skills, all crests, all tools, all silk hearts, all relics, all spool fragments, all old hearts, the regenerating silk in benches thing, completed verdania and all memory lockets I know I’m missing giving the hearts to the snails, completing the enemy Pokédex, playing the flea mini games and doing the mushroom side quest Anything else I am missing?
>>542890406It's the final wave. Even I, a casual player, with zero tools, reached the final wave on my first try. The final wave is a mess though.Sure you can spam tools, but spamming tools works for most things anyway.
>>542890862That last spoiler isn't needed for 100%. None of that spoiler is needed for 100% iirc. Do you have the thing in-game that tells you if you're at 100% or not? What's it say right now? You can also input your save in the save analyzer that's in the OP and it'll tell you what you're missing for 100%.
>>542890862Bro, your farsight?>>542891284Nail upgrade and the journal do count towards %
>>542890862If you're looking for mementos, I hear there's one from Sprint Master Swift, or whatever his name was. I think his final race has 6 laps? You'll get surface memento near the final spot of the mushroom quest.>>542891543>Nail upgrade and the journal do count towards %Sorry, I thought he meant Seth's memento's by "flea games". Yeah, nail upgrades count. I'm pretty sure journal entries don't though? I didn't finish the journal, and I still have 100%.
>>542890406You didnt beat the high halls gauntlet
why did this game fail to produce discussion? it really only produced good fanart but that's about it
>>542892194Are you saying I didn't get past it or that I cheated?
>>542894252Love the Karmelita fan arts. They often capture how much of a fighter or queen she is.>>542894313nta, but it's a "YDBTG" thing.
>>542894765Is there a second high halls gauntlet in act 3?
>>542894252it produces a lot of discussion thought, all you have to do is point out the many instances of artificial difficulty, like runbacks and courier missions
>>542895183Runbacks aren't hard, only annoying
>>542894252The writing isn't harsh enough. No one is ultimately portrayed as guilty for the current status quo, the way Pale King/Radiance share the blame equally for the fall of Hallownest. You are made to ynderstand, at an intimate level, the struggles and failures of the rationalist, scientific method of PK (no cost too great...) and even visit his desiccated corpse. You directly challenge the venomous hatred of Radiance and extinguish her in righteous vengeance. There's a clear line throughout. These motivations are made clear through environmental storytelling etc etc Meanwhile the motivations of SS are muddy and unclear. Is Silk awake? Who designed the citadel? Do people understand what they do or are they simply following what came before? Is everything automated. Is the haunting a conscious effort? Was there an effort to counteract this, the same way Radiance Infection was fought against through every means available? Nobody can say for sure. Are Weavers or Conductors or pilgrims or Silk or anyone guilty of monstrous crimes? The story doesn't make this explicit. I still think GMS is the ultimate evil at the helm of this, but the fact that intentionality and conscious action is removed from much of the "history" of Pharloom makes this ultimately an unsatisfying villain. Its a fucking idiot at the top.
>>542895038Not to my knowledge."You didn't be the game" is a joke thing people say to those that used help or tools or good weapons or whatever. Well, sometimes it's serious, but it's usually a joke in these threads.>>542895430Nta. Runbacks feel like they're they to waste time. That's what gives the feeling of "artificial" difficulty.
>>542897540Ah, I apologize for not being hip with the nerds. Thanks m8
Runback is not even a real word in this context What does it mean?
>>542898132corpse runback is the original term used to describe the trend of games copying the darksouls mechanic in which, upon death, the player has to return to the point of death to retrieve lost currency or items.In silksong, specifically, runback took a new meaning as it is often discussed in relation to the having to travel back to boss arena upon death, in this case, it means runback to boss
>>542897112weavers made the citadel - Maskmaker , Silk is asleep yes, what that means is unclear. no one knows who Silk is - not even the Pontiff knew, they only know about the Ball of Silk, the sham religion gradually deteriorated. if the haunting is a conscious effort we do not know, GMS self contradicts if it is. it goes like this Old Hearts > GMS arrives , makes weavers > Weavers build citadel as a prison around GMS sleeping form > they leave as they sense the impending doom, conductors take over > they build the automated core > haunting begins before it's finished
>>542898402Yeah but it was like this in hk1 as well? You don't waste more than a minute in most cases
>>542898402>darksouls mechanic
>>542898668That timeline is exactly the problem. There's very little intentionality behind it all. Motivations are absent. Why do weavers spare their creator god? Why not simply kill the "danger" if it is helpless, and they are portrayed as cunning and brutal (if they built the citadel and imposed the ruthless regimen, which I frankly doubt). No one is really held accountable or come to the realization of their sins, differing from HK1. Silk is an idiot fucking retard. That's the main problem. The Haunting being a passive exertion of power is giga stupid.
8 masks needle 2/4 do i risk unraveled for the silk heart now or go ducts grab the wreath take down the clapping chef go 3/4 needle and do unraveled then? im leaning latter
>>542900205this is steelsoul
>>542900205Get architect crest, equip tacks, cogwork wheel and cogflies, equip the poison heart thing, cheese his ass to death
>>542900205I'd say the latter. Unravelled has a lot of health, and chef is a much easier battle, at least for me. Also, backup your save before a serious fight, so you don't have to sweat the death too much. But if you have fractured, mask, maybe you're fine
>>542899042>Motivations are absent. Why do weavers spare their creator god?the timeline is a bit fucked yes (see Phantom and First Sinner) they couldn't kill GMS because she's a higher being, they did try. they even made Eva as an attempt at divinity. the weavers made the citadel of stone (pious statue) andmade a religion with themselves at it's center. it is unclear whether the conductors or weavers let it fall into a state of greed.Silk's haunting I guess to be unconscious because the game makes quite a point about Pale beings natures (which hilariously, never gets proven right) . and also because otherwise she stops making any sense whatsoever (why not use the haunted bugs to wake yourself up, why doesn't Lace do it?) ultimately the story's message is about struggles for power and the desire for dominance, which all of Pharloom had even before Silk. Silk is supposed to be a more complex villain than radi, but has 0 dialogue to back it up. no one really gets punished or realizes their sins. neither weavers nor conductors, at most you could say Silk does , though of all factions , she seems the least evil
>>542900205>>542901290 (me)Actually, if you can cheese it like >>542901203 it should be an easy battle. I recommend having all the tool upgrades though (damage and amount).
You didn’t break her, did you anon?
ENTOUUUUUUUUUUMAAAAAMan ever since i beat HHG on my 5 hour speed run with a trobbio mirror and 5 masks it feels like such a joke on a serious run
>>542901290>backup your save before a serious fight, so you don't have to sweat the death too much.That's kinda cheating if you're doing steelsoul innit
>wow, now that I have played the game many times, it has become so easy!this should not be a game design philosophy
>>542902039Is using fractured mask + quit cheating?
>>542902325yes but having more than a single mask the entire game is already cheating so no one has actually beat the game yet
>>542901528>they couldn't kill GMS because she's a higher beingWhats the difference between a Weaver binding her and Hornet binding her? The first Weavers should be ultra strong, being brought up from GMS herself and knowing all the secrets of silk. Even if one Prime weaver is weak compared to Hornet, a group of them should collectively be strong enough to do it. That is, if they want to. Would siphoning off Silk make a weaver stronger? I say yes. So they don't want to. They want to keep her in the citadel forever, without killing her. Why? >andmade a religion with themselves at it's center. it is unclear whether the conductors or weavers let it fall into a state of greed.There's very little evidence of that though, as far as I've seen. The Weavers were interested in security and military power. They designed hiding places, not overt places of worship. If one claims the religious buildings we see are of Weaver make, why the change in architectural building style, if TC wanted to make points like this? Weaver religious icons and remains of their worshippers should be front and center throughout our travels. We see Weaver culture, weaver art, Weaver statues but mostly Weaver tech and fortresses. The images we see are quite different from your view of the timeline.
Also I would say GMS is the most evil due to having the absolute most power, and making fuck all with it. Being unconscious is seriously not an excuse. Just don't be an unconscious twat in everyone's business, how hard can it be.
>>542902587Hornet is half-wyrm
>>542902587>The first Weavers should be ultra strong, being brought up from GMS herself and knowing all the secrets of silk.What of the sinners? Did they not rise against GMS and then were punished or imprisoned? If it wasn't GMS who did that, who was strong enough to put First Sinner in that jail?
>>542853943>This was abyss escape or that one place in far fields?Can you even get into act 3 without double jump?
>>542902863What's the honest difference? She is ultra super saiyan instead of just regular super saiyan? Weavers are fucking strong. We fight several of them. We also fight weavers that were severely weakened. They had ultra strong tech and tools, fantastic ability to control silk straight from the source. A group of prime weavers were a continental force that could conquer the entirety of Pharloom, and they did. Hence, them already essentially defeating GMS and putting her into a 1000 year sleep is the same as killing her. GMS is not that powerful. Being part wyrm is not the secret sauce. There's nothing in the story to suggest that Hornet's mixed blood gives her this extraordinary power - it's always just weaver techniques. If the story honestly wanted Hornet's Wyrm parentage to matter in this way, *it must* set this up through some form of writing to support this. Hence, what I say supports the assertion that the character's motivations are unclear and needlessly muddled- see the Weaver question.
>>542903162I heard some one beat the game without it, so I guess you can at least finish Act 2 without it. Can't think of what it's needed for. Snare Trap, maybe?
Ain't no way I would find this dogshit secret path without a guide. >>542903007At some point, GMS does end up in a slumber, essentially powerless.
I think we need fanart of hornet's ass-wings
>>542903785I found it without a guide, that room was suspiciously empty.
>>542903785What room is this?
>>542903785found it without a guide on my first run. before the quest with Jubliana too
>>542902587>There's very little evidence of that though, as far as I've seenthey're Pharlooms first fading Children. we see Pious Isamor say this: "Give... of yourself... for great Pharloom, for... first-children who bequeath it to us.."as for why the weavers didn't simply bind Silk I do not know. perhaps she'd wake up?>>542903007we don't know who put First Sinner in jail. we can assume FS took part in the rebellion, and the citadel (weavers) denied her absolution. Hornet mentions she was the first to use runes, and we see her cage is made with runes specifically.
>>542866273No. Actually, he just vanishesno one knows what happens to him afterwards. No body. no mention from other NPCs. he just disappears from the gameSo he's alive. Just... gone
>>542903715Bilewater.
>>542903785You get a quest that straight up guides you through the first half. From there it's just playing with the climbable walls.
Was it ever explained why Widow was punished and who did it? She's crazy loyal to GMS, so it seems odd?Also, is there somewhere I can find the text of those writings in the Slab? The ones like "First of the First." "Third of the Second" etc.Also the text of those seemingly random texts in Pharloom like "3 rings. 6 steps. 7 jumps. 9 floors." (or something like that)
>>542905817we know Widow was part of the first weavers, and she remained loyal to Silk, so my best guess is that it was the weavers who punished her. https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Lore_Tablets_(Silksong) all lore tablets
Wreath of Purity allows you to play so aggressive against him. Fucker consumed it all. I suppose i could have also brought multibinder ever since they made the change to it just to be Super safe but it worked out
>>542905817>Was it ever explained why Widow was punished and who did it? She's crazy loyal to GMS, so it seems odd?If it was the Weavers then she would have at least had the steel rods removed. So it has to be GMS doing the punishing which means that the rods are an anti-treachery mechanism I guess. Or GMS punishing the only Weaver she can consistently reach.
>widowwho was her husband?
>>542906369>https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Lore_Tablets_(Silksong)Thanks. After reading the slab lore tablets, I think it's possible the weaver spires around Pharloom that give Hornet her skills are actually the weavers listed in those 2 tablets.Was there a spire that didn't say anything? One that was just>...when it gave Hornet a skill? If so, I assume that was Second of the Fourth. I don't have an image of all the spires, like picrel, but that might help in discovering who's who.There's still>Penitent, Eight of the Twelfth. Guilty of the sin of irreverence. Penance by chaining.>Penitent, Fourth of the Fourth. Guilty of the sins of infirmity, sickness. Penance by swallowing.>Penitent, Twelfth of the First. Guilty of an unnamed sin. Penance by casting.I found 12th of the 1st mysterious, however. The sin is unnamed, and is also the only of these four where absolution was not granted.
>>542746476WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH
>>542901854I still have it..
>>542909834I'm certain that Weaver machines like the ones we learn skills from are computers of some kind, who can think and compute and give messages based on new information.
>>542903570All factions deserve more credit for having brilliant schemes that started with reasonable intentions that were probably a lot more humane and well operated at a smaller scale but became more and more horrifying as they expanded and as their practices were passed on to less capable bugs. Many pilgrims would have found relative safety, useful work and provisions under a higher being and her cohorts, plus rewards like the citadel paradise and near immortality via silk injection (which early on was probably administered by weavers with fresh silk and not random dregs). Infinite pilgrims flooding in became a nuisance that was in constant danger from the elements, wildlife and starvation. They would have been a hungry mob desperate for anything and their cultish devotion meant that they would accept anything that brought them one step closer to the citadel. The elevator to the underworks was probably packed wall to wall and running constantly. A pilgrim becoming an unseen slave in a mass of other unseen slaves was inevitable the moment GMS’s civilization hit capacity. With GMS asleep and the weavers gone the bugs in charge would have been fucking up constantly>oh you’re hungry? Go farm muckroaches it’s a holy quest or something. Your grandchildren will understand.>oh you like our holy silk? You’ll be deployed to the moor to catch the dregs drifting down from above. We have a big monster to chase you down if you abandon your sacred duty lol“Sister, spider, husk bound to moss,Watch over these bugs born low,Raised up by fervour fostered,Born and caught within our web unknowing.“
>>542912424The issue is still about Weaver motivations imo. Do they use GMS for a silk battery? Can they do without her, or do they need her?
You have to admit, only he could have made Pharloom great again.
>>542912026You can see the body of the weaver imprisoned inside of the spire though, just like with First Sinner.
>>542913605(Previously) Live beings fueling machines is part and parcel of life in Pharloom.
>>542913150We know GMS was more or less enslaved from the opening poem - heart of slumber and servitude. So I'm guessing GMS is essentially being milked of Silk for generations by the upper caste. Nobody else even known about her existence
Did I lock myself out of 100% because I didn't beat Shakra before entering Act 3? I can't seem to be able to fight her now.
>>542914554No. Fighting her's not required for anything, and to my knowledge hunter's journal isn't needed for 100% completion.
So lace and phantom was created after the weavers left right?
>>542909726The first sinner
>>542914851I don't think so she would have been asleep by that time, and why would Phantom be in the exhaust organ . and why would Lace be mad at her mother not "seeing" her, when she's literally fucking comatose. I think she may have somewhat sensed the rebellion? Or she made them during the rebellion. But that also puts up the question: why didn't the weavers discard the silk kids
Why don't we know more about Phantom? For how important she is , she had comically little screentime (just like her sister). Why did Silk abandon her, why is she in the garbage disposal?
>>542915404They drew young Phantom as grey... I expect young Phantom to be white or light grey.
>>542915156>>542915404Dont think too much about phantomShe was only added because of the pun
Why tf the pale king doesn't appear on the red memory, but his motif does
>>542917107That's a good question....Actually, did Hornet have to see Hera and the wasp in her dream? Wouldn't just going to the White Lady have been enough?
>>542915404Did Silk actually abandon her? There's barely anything ingame about her.
>>542916247what pun
Welcome to steelsoul bilewater and the true benches of the area
>>542918364>With a shattered mask, and an affinity for the organ, it is very likely that this boss' design was inspired by Andrew Lloyd Webber's classic Broadway production, "The Phantom of The Opera". This is further supported by the fact that Phantom's theme is named "Phantom of the Organ" in the game's files.
>>542918734That's not a pun, that's a reference.
>>542918871australian "humor"
Instead of making the lengthened thread storm worthless they should make it so you can keep doing it, but it costs up to two more silk to get the whole thing off (it can end up costing 5 silk if you don't spam it enough or if you run out of silk in the middle of it) and then change the damage values to something they consider balanced. So now there's a reason to go for either short or long thread storm with the longer version dealing more overall damage but at a higher silk cost and a higher risk of getting hit while doing the skill and you can control the silk spent by how long you spam the silk skill button.
>>542914554Hunter's isn't required for 100% so no
>>542919221She's not even required for the hunter's mark anyway.
Groak is such a shit fight holy fuck. Every new turn I take in act 2 just convinces me someone told TC that the more asinine they make their game the better players will like it.
did you beat the game if you used this technique on groal?https://youtu.be/A9jqMn5XBQg
>>542920287yes, they got the souls brainrot tumor
>>542920434Yes, the fat fuck had it coming.
one the cut ending:https://youtu.be/tt2bYepQM4kit seems originally that the bell shrines were used to weaken gms , rather than open the grand gate
>>542920690dang. Wish they had left it in. Towns made of bells make a lot more sense with it
There's literally and unironically only 1 (one) good yellow tool, and you all know which one.
>>542921423weighted belt
>>542921423Spider strings, we all know
>>542920434Fack. Someone animated this. I'm laughing outloud right now.
>>542913150I guess that they can do without her because weavers kept cranking out silk far away in Hallownest and it rotted over time like a natural product instead of lingering like it was enchanted. For weavers it was probably a catch 22 of being the only bugs in town powerful enough to wound GMS but also being living dolls that she knew exactly how to take apart with her bare hands. Keeping her asleep would be the only option and doing anything that might wake her up like bringing in machinery to smash her or just getting close would be a no go. I’d bet that Widow tried to take her on in the initial rebellion and became a living example for the rest to stay far away.
>>542920434Amazing.>>542920287He is easy as fuck, took me like 3 tries. And that's only because I was overly aggressive and kept eating contact damage.
>>542917776We don't know , we presume so. We don't see any of Lace's or Phantom relationship with Silk
>>542920287>Every new turn I take in act 2 just convinces me someone told TC that the more asinine they make their game the better players will like it.Yeah, at least it's not like they did something reaaaaaaaally crazy. Like giving every enemy, no matter how small, double health and double damage. Like, it'd be crazy if you made another turn in Act 2 and that popped up.
>>542920434holy fuck im dying
If you beat the game and later a patch comes out that nerfs something you've used, you retroactively didn't beat the game.
>>542920690Explains how you can get through the citadel through the back. You'd get the current Act 2 ending if you didn't ring the bells and went that way. While this would be the other ending if you hit all the bells and went through the front door
>>542920434Really cool!Kinda related, but is there any chance that TC approved a Hollow Knight animated show?
>>542928747I remember reading they had plans for that a few years ago, could be just bait article writing though
>>542928747I don't think they got any offers. A show would have to be focused in Hornet. Also their storytelling techniques don't really mash well with tv. Hollowknight usually tells its story by revealing more information about characters as time goes on, their dialogue isn't really packed with emotion, only case of a character that displays huge amounts of emotion in dialogue is Lace . But there's nothing to say they can't adapt more traditional TV oriented storytelling
>>542920434kino>>542928747probably not, executives and producers don't care for indie games
>>542928747it sucks but after doing verdania i don't think TC thinks too deeply about the story. i don't see them greenlighting an animation if they're not engaged in it themselves
That's 18 hours of SteelSoul gone. One shotting every single boss in the game and HOW do i die? My garbage ass old controller that in fairness already gave signs of a broken hook button cast hookline right into the memorium voltnest taking 3 masks AND the trinket failsafe with it in 1 shot. And yes i did break the controller in pieces. We go again when i get a new one
>>542930589On the upside, you finally get a new controller.
>>542930589That's kind of how the run ended that was before my successful steel heart run, only I ran into it because I wasn't paying attention.
>>542930589Your backups?
>>542931347i think thats cheating so im not backing it up at all. I know i sound stupid but i dont quitout unless its for fast travel to a bench
>>542930589i hope you learned to quit out from now on
> we got to see next to nothing of her personalityUnfair
Throw me to the void and I'll come back pregnant
Anyone here tried the ps5 dualshock? In terms of design i like it the most and i can buy it immediately from a store nearby in 6 hours when it opens. Or can in general recommend good controllers?
>>542931824actually an aura & hype moments based story...
I killed the two fags and I got the Three Melodies quest. After exploring a bit, I got the double jump and seeing the new places I could access I found Memorium, which apparently has nothing to do with the quest. Should I explore it right away, or after that?
>>542932527yes go for it
>>542932527it gives hints about the world. explore it yeah
So do you follow some kind of flowchart for steel heart? Rush certain crests/tools/abilities early? I cannot imagine even attempting it with how much bs the game throws at you at every single turn, I would absolutely die to some stupid shit.
>>542932717i was you when i finished my first run but after i played 2 more runs its 100% possible you just need more game knowledge
>>542932717Mostly it's about rushing the first couple of basic needle upgrades, and whatever crest/tools you're most comfortable with, along with movement abilities, and then just rounding things up that you missed while getting all that.
>>542903570>There's nothing in the story to suggest that Hornet's mixed blood gives her this extraordinary powerEva's dialogue with the upgrades explicitly notes Hornet's mutability is unlike mortals, with the Hunter Crest upgrades and ability to swap Crests at all being directly attributed to this.Even with the potential for full Godhood of a contrasting nature, attempting to bind Great Mother Silk is still strongly implied to amount to Hornet becoming little different whether by Great Mother Silk's will subsuming her from within or succumbing to Wyrm instincts.>>542917107It continues the choice from the first game to have as much as possible about him need inferred from unreliable secondary-at-best sources, where the words of the few who pick out Hornet as half-Wyrm and her own character as it contrasts to all the other influences in her life stand in for him.In other words, Team Cherry studiously insist on keeping him haunting the narrative harder than Great Mother Silk is haunting Pharloom, which was a conscious decision of switching which of the Vessels' parents was dead to avert the "Angelic Dead Mother" trope.
Do you think the reason they don't respond to the needolin at all is because they have no silk in them?
>>542920434I used mass Voltvessels instead.
>>542930589RIP anon that memorium voltnest got me through the masks and health too.
>>542935251They also don't attack you on sight.
>>542938727Yeah, but there's also silkened enemies that don't attack on sight.
>>542939660Like who? They all do.
>>542939660i think enemies that just sort of happen to walk into you are considered to be "attacking". like the cute far fields guys
>>542940478I wouldn't really consider walking into a brick wall getting attacked by it, even if it damages you.>>542940142Cragglites, mossgrubs, squirrms, crustcrawlers, cogwork spines, leaf gliders, mothleaf lagnias, brushflits, both fertids, pendras, pendragors, and technically groms since they just mindlessly dig down with no regard for Hornet.
>>542941293I guess technically freshflies too since they just bounce around and explode.
>>542941615I'd still count them as trying to attack, they're just born blind.
>>542941801They still don't "attack on sight", per >>542939660's wording.
TC should've made bigger, harder weavenests but easier Phalroom in general. By easier I mean add more benches and shortcuts, make some traversal tools/rewards (like Eva's thing that doesn't do anything useful because you're just about to finish the game) available earlier, fix fucking drifter's cloak stuttering/lag, don't kick out the player out of a dream if they die.
>>542942031If you want to get super literal with the wording then voltvyrms would also count, since they don't possess eyes.
>>542790924>>542791389>I haven't seen any posted hereFound one.>posted 20 days agoDamn I could have been enjoying this sooner.Original: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fsilksong-100-map-v0-3qcwvcx0phrf1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D47a4bffcc6bc467889531bedcf3cc502a8d6a380
WOAHDouble tapping Quick Map opens the full menu Map. I'm just learning this an hour into my Steel Soul run.
>>542942538How? You just never mashed the map key at all, even accidentally?
My lord how do you guys play on PC. Trying it after 200 hours of Silksong on controller it feels so freaking weird.
>>542942962I guess not. In retrospect I have but must have just assumed I fatfingered E as I wasd'd
>>542943129By using a controller.
>>542943129I migrated to Keyboard after Steel Heart/P5ing Hollow Knight on the Switch and it feels much better and more precise than controller.I've fought AbsRad two times on PC and I won both of those times. I first tried her getting to her in P5 and fought her once in the Hall. Before I dropped the game for something else that caught my attention. Rain World Downpour I think it was.Now yeah; more than 50% of that is me getting loads of experience on the Switch first, but keyboard just felt right after just an hour of play.I MAY try a controller run of Silksong to see what the inverse is like, but I highly suspect the experience will be worse instead of better.
There are some positives dying late into the run in Steelsoul. I'm now able to identify danger areas way better than before. Probably Hunters march takes the cake honestly. Shakra gauntlet is dangerous enemies are dangerous cause they can tank so much early damage. Probably the hardest part of the run desu
>>542932089You think she's enjoying her time down there?
>>542943908ESC+reload go brrrrrr
Why does my Compass always mod also activate Magent Brooch? It even turns itself back the fuck on whenever I leave a room when I try turning it off.
>>542945992what yellow tools are you using besides weighted belt lucky dice and compass though? like what do you need the slot for just scuttlebrace for fun?
>>542943129By using a controller
>>542946667Shard Pendant gets useBarbed Bracelet will get use when I'm good enough for itShell Satchel gets useAnklets of course get useAscendant's Grip occasionally gets use
I really hate that they always hide so many nerfs behind "Various smaller fixes and tweaks."
>>542946667You don't even need the compass desu. I agree with belt and dice thoI use mags for a third usually if I'm not fighting bosses. Same with gripSilk speed otherwise
>>542947741the silkstorm nerf really impacted some fights. It was very noticable although kinda justified it was just way too good early
>>542948302It's more about them listing out individual bugs that three people probably experienced, and then not wanting to list the nerfs because it would make the list too long or something. I understand most of them, but don't hide them.
>>542942206>(like Eva's thing that doesn't do anything useful because you're just about to finish the game)You can get that thing in act 2 if you're thorough.
>>542951969Like late act 2, which is basically done with the game.
>>542942397This is a map for ants
>>542956427I had to run it through gimp because both the filesize and rez were too large. I made it smaller than I needed to but I hadn't the patience to maximally size it.
>>542932089>>542944301>the screams are actually gmilf silky doing bighuge pale coomszamn
PSA for keyboardfagsUse this mod. This is the only mod I use along with Always Compass. Compass theres an argument against but this has no excuse for not being in the game.Retardedly the Inventory key functions differently to the Crests, Tasks, Journal, and Map keys. This mod makes it work the same way. Now all we need is a mod to enable rebinding the secret keybinds of [ and ] for next/prev menu.Controllerfags are lucky as it's just the triggers and they have no panel-specific menu keys. Just one [menus in general] button and two to cycle menus. For some reason TC felt the need to give this trait of the Inventory key to keyboard controls as well. But not to let us rebind prev/next menu. That'd be fine but for some reason "Inventory" is [Menus in general] rather than specifically the Inventory panel.Absolutely fucking annoying.
>>542958053If there was a sad ant, I'd post it
>>542959862Lel I posted the original leddit link for a reason
>>542930589Had a similar problem with an ancient controller that had a sticky jump button worn out by lots of Hollow Knight. It revealed itself in the marrow and became unusable on sinner’s road. Got the cheapest xbox controller and it felt like a massive leap in technology.
>>542961419i can only imagine bro. It was a very old ps3 controller. It got so bad near the end of the run i had a random clawline cast every 10-15 seconds. New controller will feel like heaven i bet
>>542971737Will Hornet get more minions in the DLC?
>>542972259Grimmchild and Weaversong were both Grimm Troupe, so probably. Although seeing how potent Cogflies are, I doubt they'll be as good or be able to benefit from Pollip Pouch.
>>542942217I wasn't being super literal. If I was, I might say it's inconclusive since they have no sight. I'm saying they don't sense Hornet, then intentionally attack her. Freshflies just fly around mindlessly by the looks of it.I would agree with you that voltvyrms would also count, however, it begins to attack Hornet once she's in it's nest, which leads me to believe it senses her. If voltvyrm was already attacking, like how those pillars of electricity on the path to it's lair trigger even when nothing is there, than I would agree that it doesn't "attack on sight".
>>542943129I use a controller.>>542947741I am also bothered by that. It's really untrustworthy of them.
My nigga...
mwah
If you defend runbacks on silksong, you should also watch 1 minute adds before watching a video. What's the matter? You are a trve consvmer, aren't you??
Am I crazy or does sprinting lower your hitbox, allowing you to slip under some stuff that would otherwise hit you
>>542988361What's a 1 minute add?
I do this any time I pass by.
This fight is so much easier without my handicap of nail only no spells for the HoG fight
>>542988694Pretty sure Beastfly spawns those
>>542988585Dashing does for sure
what was the point of this?
>>542988361Doing the "run" back" (not a real word btw faggot zoomer) warms up your hands, gets your heart rate down if you're stressed, makes sure you're not tilting by requiring you to focus at least a bit. Its also world building. You lose connection to the game if you're continuously teleporting into a boss room until you kill it. Again, you're a faggot. Runbacks are not a real thing. Its called playing the game, and every game used to be like this
>>542990234Spin to win.
>>542990259>used to begee I wonder why they change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DKkyU5x80U
I hope to god they wont make Lace the player character in the next game
I don't think there will be a next game
>>542991431Same.Would love to play as little ghost again, though that wouldn't make sense plotwise.They could make a new character, or surprise us with an NPC like Sly (would be a Reccettear-like, though).>>542992185The Silksong ending said To Be Continued (unless that only means DLC (or they're pulling a fast one)).
>>542990549not Op, but I like when a game has a stake. I didn't find any of them to be annoying or tedious myself(maybe if you were dying a lot?). having an easy retry doesn't add tension to my gameplay. It's just another round for a head bashing.
>>542992270that's the fungi ending, the implications is that they will make more games and the fungi guy will appear there.to be fair the hollow knight world is entirely a creation on the fly, they can just make up an entire new location and story completely divorced from the previous 2 games, just the same setting, that way they can make a ghost like character
>AbsRad disappears with essence signalling start of climb phase>oops she actually summoned one more light wall or sword wall teehee so quirky and randomFuck this bitch
>>542992185>no THK's shade in silksong's endingheh
>>542992185Why not? Team Cherry clearly love making games and they have money to burn. They'll still probably be making games just to pass the time.
>>542993458a lot of things in silksong gave me the feel that they got burnout with it, next game won't be a hollow knight and I predict that they'll fumble it up big time too, because silksong showed us their 'one trick ponyism' to put it bluntly. my long term prediction is that they are going to make some vampire survivor like with a new setting, but it's going to be retarded difficulty and full of gay nonsense, and they'll take 7 more years for it, and it will flop and then they'll go back to hollow knight 3 which will be out in roughly 14 years from now
>>542994116>gay nonsenseLike?
>>542994994like the protagonist will be a raging lesbian, every friendly npc will be homo and the final guy will be toxic masculinity personified or something like that
I kind of love straight pin, after needing to use it in my speedrun.There's something slick about just throwing a dagger in the enemy's face
>>542995153I dont think they would do something like that
>>542995480ok, well, looking at hk1 and 2, I say I'm right on the money except for the final guy, the final guy will be the christian god personified and retarded and evil
>>542997835>Get me another brew, dreg.
>>542990549What's the end goal with "runback elimination"? First, it was that you had to play the entire level again, if you died. Now, they spawn you at a checkpoint some way before the boss. You want to instantly play the boss. You want access to the entire thing right away. Maybe even just drop you in the middle of the fight. Let you quick save whenever you want. Just run with save states and become a TAS until you win because fuck the gameplay right
>>542995231For me it's silkshot
>>542990549Because of a desire to make more money by catering to whiny little bitches. Instead of making good games that challenge the player, they'd rather make "experiences" that railroad the player through the content so that no matter how shit they are, they'll get to "experience" their 80 dollar slop.
>>543001009I used it on my first playthrough and do love it a lot
>I am le big manly gamer, I love doing the same thing over and over again, games should be about doing the same thing over and over again, anyone who complains is a woman
>>543001541>Passive aggressive le (You)s are upvotesYep, thanks for proving me right.
I said this
>>542944301>literal cuck shit AI was a mistake
>>543001541You're basically admitting its just a rollercoaster ride for you. You derive zero enjoyment from engaging in mechanics.
>>543000965slippery slope fallacy and missing the point on purpose, the point being meaningful interaction>TASexample non meaningful interaction
>>543001876some mechanics are engaging, I'm pointing which ones aren't and you treat this act of pointing out like it's the end of gaming somehow
>>543002000>slippery slope fallacyExcept it's not a fallacy, because it's been the modus operandi of video game development since 2007.
>>543002189>Things I don't like aren't engaging, and everything I don't like should be removed forever.You know there's plenty of casual slop flooding the market these days that you can take your pick of that followed this philosophy. You can always go "play" one of those.
>>543001258Sorry, I don't want to buy programming socks and disappoint my parents
>>542994116tc stated they wanted to make more ambitious dlc for silksong than hk. i think they'll make a new IP after that. the culture war shit youre mad about is very goofy tho.
>>543002000You keep bringing up new concepts that are supposed to be the problem. "Meaningful interaction". A new bullshit word for you to abuse and throw around.
>>543002000The bilewater "run""""back"""" is core characterization for the zone you're in. I refer you to the first post I made >>542990259There's a point to this shit. There's a point to it, or it's "meaningful gameplay", or whatever else garbage faggotry you want to spout to justify bringing in save states to this game.
>>543014850I'm ahead of the curvethe difficulty olympics is videogame's equivalent of sjw purity olympics, you guys will keep looping the same story until a game comes along that filters you for some reason, you will complain about it only for the rest of people to say "this is how the genre is supposed to be" or whatever and only then you will see you were stuck on a loop of your own making all along
>>543015315Silksong is not a difficult game. They give you plenty of tools. You remember those flying spitters in ducts? You can just throw boomerangs at them until they die. The game gives you tools to solve the problem. I also don't play games that aren't "for" me and expect them to cater to my expectations. I will never play Counterstrike at an acceptable level. I do not understand MOBAs. This doesn't mean those games are purposefully designed wrong when they do what they do.
>>543017562you are circling the argument now, despite knowing exactly what I mean
>>543017562>I do not understand MOBAs.A friend of mine is super into watching LoL esports and sometimes when I go to his place he's I watch some of it with him and I don't get it, I just don't get itBut I figure it must be the same for lots of nerds who don't get football or baseball
if at any point in the game, you saved and quit to respawn back at the bench, or you used the later ability to teleport to fast travel, you cannot, in good conscience, defend the runbacks
>>543018252i can there needs to be a punishment for failing no matter what.
The puzzle room in Whispering Vaults, that leads to pinmaster oil. One of the blocks slides into the left wall at the floor; was there something behind it that I just locked myself out of?
>>543018247I don't understand watching any e/sports. It's fun if you're the one playing the game, or if you're betting on it or watching a friend play there are some stakes, but I can't get invested just sitting in the cuck chair.
>>543019620nta, I like watching competitive starcraft 2 because you can tell when someone is in the zone and that's cool to watch and competitive level starcraft is something I'm not willing to put the time and effort for, so, there's that. Idk about mobas thought
>>543017780The entire narrative you're trying to portray is wrong. It doesn't apply to me at all. All my statements stand by themselves, and I don't need to engage with your inane stories to make my point.
>>543005075Shame you're already halfway there.
>>543018252Suffering a bit and being punished for not learning the game is good.
>>543018252If you used fast travel at all then you didn't beat the game. Sorry, that's just how it is.
If I die, I should spawn right in front of the boss and their health should stay the same as before I died. This is engaging gameplay or something.
>>543001842>cuckAnon... she's not in a relationship.... who is being cuckolded?
>>543021898You sure you're in the right spot?
>>543001009I love the silkshot so much
>>543023441Never mind, I'm retarded. I was wearing the sawtooth circlet, and the effect I thought was me hitting the roof was the attack from the double jump. I just needed to press the side arrow to stick to the passage.
i love pimpillos so much bros. they are so good i rush it every run
>>543025831Where do you get them? I'm missing a bunch of tools
>>543027002Above the quack
>>543025831I only used them against Groal.
>>543018252I didn't and beat the gameStill think some of the runbacks are objectively shit though
Was it ever said how many children or rounds of children GMC had? We know there's at least 12 cohorts, and that the first cohort had at least 12.
>new any% WR is 54 minutesGod the speedrun scene for this game is so sick
the difficulty brainrot to trooning out pipeline is realwatchout anons
>>543038989Two more weeks, right?
>>543038989>if you're good at video games you must be trans!I guess that means nobody on 4chan is trans lol
>find little root thing>it keeps screeching in my inventory >I remember the one similar NPC>go there and talk to the guy>rebirth wish>yeah sure>nothing personal kid *snaps my neck*>now all my crests are locked outWhat do I do now? Is my run fucked?
>>543040227ladies and gentlemen. we got him
>>543040227The fun is just beginning
>>543040227Yeah, you're fucked.Talk to the prancing fruit in Bellhart.
>>543040403Thanks man, I'm in Act 3, I've been trying to get my last few fleas and the last hearth, the one on the right of Far Fields. I've been trying to find all secret passages I didn't find until now and it got me into this mess. I still have no idea how to reach those objectives tho. Playing on the Deck is comfy, but those slightly cracked tiles are much harder to spot
>>543041441>I'm in Act 3It's Act 3, so it's too late, but if you had beat GMS while in the state you're in, you get a special ending and home screen. Other than that, having that state is just a handicap.
>>543041441>I've been trying to get my last few fleas and the last hearth, the one on the right of Far Fields.>I still have no idea how to reach those objectives tho.The heart in far fields, you gotta go through Hunter's March for it.Also, there's a 4th heart you can get instead if you want.. It's completely missable, and not required, but I thought you'd want to know.As for fleas, in P.Ducts, there's a flea you can find that can tell you where all the fleas you missed are at. She's hidden though. Hint would be to use those things with the long tongue that carry you upwards
>>543001009>the Weavers were spiritually AmericanWhat did Team Cherry mean by this?
>>543043346Yeah I found that flea and marked all the remaining fleas on the map. I was pleasantly surprised I missed just a handful. As for the cure, Pavo tells me to find the healer they cast away, but he's the snail that is now convening with the other two, if I go talk to them I only get the dialogue pointing me to the last hearth I need to get. So basically I softlocked myself into turboautism difficulty mode, and I was already struggling with all the upgrades.
>>543046351>Pavo tells me to find the healer they cast away, but he's the snail that is now convening with the other twofunnily enough this happens a lot, if there's is anything they should patch it's this. the snail should tell you to seek and npc that used to live in bellhart, I don't remember if he gives any clues, but anyways... ...it's the npc on graymor, top and left, in a tiny bell house, you might have seen the house already, but he doesn't respond until this event
>>543047460I'll try talking to that one, if it doesn't work that's a ragequit from me.
>>543048003don't worry the quest progresses regardless if you talk to the snail or not, it's just that you didn't get the clue as the game indented
Just beat first sinner first try. What does the silk charge do if you let her finish multiple times? she only got two off before I figured I had to interrupt her.Also it might be because I played HK very recently and she reminded me of PV but she just seemed way more fair than most other bosses. No bs gotcha attacks, just clean patters, decent telegraphing and sane hitboxes, with a phase 2 that is the same but she combos more and has one new attack. The hardest part of it was getting to land hits because she moves fast.
>>543049947>What does the silk charge do if you let her finish multiple times?Probably puts her at full health.>No bs gotcha attacks, just clean patters, decent telegraphing and sane hitboxesYup. Her fights are one of the favs in SS.
>>543048446Yeah, I fixed it, now I have all crests. 7 years of development and they screw up this bad at basic game design. A-fucking-mazing. I wish Hades 2 came out earlier than Silksong, at least I'd be stuck in a properly made game instead of this ridiculous middle finger to all HK fans.
>>543047071We reposting silkposts now?
>>543050420Oh so it's a heal, I thought it was some special attack that would go off if you let her charge multiple times in a row.
>>543050420>Probably puts her at full health.Also IIRC someone said it makes her dress longer.
>Delver's drill>Can't actually delveBravo, Ari
I complained about the difficulty in many threads...but deep in my heart, I do want team cherry to make more streamer slop bait in their next game
Now that the dust has settled, was the 7 year wait worth it?
>>543058789yes except act 3
>>543058789I didn't wait at all.
tormented trobbio is incrediblethe music, the visual spectacke, the hectic fightweird to think the same people who designed this fight also designed feces like seth or the unraveled
>>542992270>The Silksong ending said To Be ContinuedThey did it in Hollow Knight too, it's just their way of signing off. It's their "Thank you so much for to playing my gaem"It doesn't confirm anything except for their intention to keep the studio running. Team Cherry are going to make something and whatever happens happens, just like how Silksong development went. Those aussie cunts don't give a fuck.
>>543058789No. It doesn't feel like 7 years worth of content. Reaching major milestones didn't feel rewarding, Pharloom's zones don't transition smoothly unlike Hallownest and some of them are forgettable despite the detailed artwork, the person who was responsible for the sound design is incompetent, the ending is a wet fart in comparison to HK, crests and tools are cool but require more tweaking
Are you not supposed to kill Grand Mother Silk? My game just ended. I don't even think I saw Act 3 huh??
>>543065006Act 2 is the ending for ADHDAct 3 is the ending for sidequest chadsWithout spoiling more, act 3 is a small act - more like a "post game" round.
>>543063392The more important hint that they'll continue Hollow Knight is Mister Mushroom talking and saying that he expects Hornet to see things even more like him (focused on the present over the future).
Why do the mites in greymoor act like rats, but the mites in the citadel act like pharlids?
>>543066891dats culcha innit?
Different places have different pests I guess.
>>543065263oh thans
>try out barbed bracelet in act 3>find out that half the enemies don't do extra damageNeat, you still get the damage boost but the barbed bracelet and abyss boosters don't stack most of the time.
>>543073737>Take double damage for 25% boost in damageI'll pass.
>>543074507Only sometimes! It has a niche in act 3 unless you're doing a steel soul run.
>>543073737That's kinda crazy wtf. Barbed bracelet is kind of insane with hunter now with that focus buff too
>>543074736They buffed focus?
>>543076113They buffed each focus level by about 10%, so it's around a 50% dmg increase now. Max focus dps is right below beast crest's bind, which is the highest dps in the game. You can do about 600 dmg with a single cross stitch if you build right as well atm
>>543077191As a Hunter enjoyer, this is good news...
Oh no
>>543079504He'll be fine.
Why can some bugs teleport?
>>543019503No one?
>>543083269from my experience the only thing in the game you can lock yourself out of is before act 3 is the garmond and zaza entry
>>543083736So you're saying I have to go back to that room to check if the puzzle reset. If it didn't, there was nothing there.Thank.
>>543084028its your first run just focus on enjoying it your way you can do the other stuff later unless you plan to make this your only run
>>543080830It's a magic skill you can learn. Or it's a representation of them being super fast without making them kill you with contact damage.
>>543084284>thinks I'm not enjoying the game because I can see more than them
>Reply on Twitter with a joke about how strangely one-sided the relationship between the Knight and Hornet is. >Someone replies saying their relationship is deep and that Hornet cares a lot for him, and such. >I tell that someone that, outside of the Herrah scene, Hornet is, at best, pretty distant from the Knight. >They block me. >I show proof of all of his dialogue in the base game straight from the wiki. >Someone tells me I don't know all of his dialogue and that he should go to a mental asylum, and that I'm putting up with it, even though I showed all of his dialogue in the first game on the damn wiki. >He calls me a loser for not caring about ratios, even though she replies three times every time I reply, and even logged into my profile to stalk me. What the hell! I only made a joke and showed the wiki. Most Hollow Knight fans are insufferable with their headcanon.
>>543019503nosliding that block in place is the only way you can access that area
>>543077191Good news, but why doesn't team cherry actually put this changes on the patch list?
>>543087917they leave holes in the patch notes like the plot, i dunno
>>543087359>TwitterHonestly, you should've expected thatHollowTwitter is just... weird
>>543087359People hallucinate the game character's relationship constantly. Tumblr in particular was terrible about this - incestuous fandoms conjuring up gay relationships and feeding off themselves for decades. See also weird things like "higher beings" being shifted to refer to 'high caste' divine beings instead of a word to refer to regular sentient bugfolk
>>543090205>mfw OCs start popping up
>>543091121>See also weird things like "higher beings" being shifted to refer to 'high caste' divine beings instead of a word to refer to regular sentient bugfolkTo be fair, it's a really fucking weird turn of phrase for that function to get no clarifying definition, and the bit about not hiding your actual form is just too blunt a fit for one of the Pale King's "things".
Whispering vaults > high halls > cogwork core
>>543094013>not appreciating the Cogwork soundtrack
>>543094013Vaults is boring as hell. The only thing to do in there is Trobbio. Meanwhile, Core and Halls both present challenging platforming, with Halls ending with the kino gauntlet.
>>543094013The vaults are nice, but I still think that they're the weakest of the three.
I dont even know how to get into lower vaults and I don't particularly want to figure it out
>>543096437Figure it out anon, do it for TROBBIO
>>543090205Anon, ppl on Hollowtwt didn't exactly lay attention to the story
>>542887205>I bet most players looked it upI knew about the existence of the hidden bench, but I found it entirely by accident. I didn't expect that hidden entrance to lead to bench.That said, I had Wreath of Purity, so I was more bold in exploring.
>>543087359Learn to read between the lines. Hornet eventually warmed up to Knight. That does not mean that she would give him hugs, cuddles and nuzzles, and call him cute or anything like that. She's a reserved person, love is expressed by actions, not by words.Also Knight itself isn't really different from Hornet. I never seen the Knight hugging people.
This was pretty fun toollessBosses like phantom and dancers felt a lot better on only 5 masks
>>543098983>toollessI hope that means no blue and yellow tools. If not, you're a dirty liar and should redo the game without them
>>543099112>I hope that means no blue and yellow tools.I only picked up the bell but i forgot the equip it so yea
>>543099112That's the typical speedrun experience. The only tool that's mandatory to cross paths with is Trobbio's Claw Mirror, and you could still not pick it up.
>>543100719I thought speedrunners loved tools like Barbed Bracelet?
>>543101045I meant the casual speedrun experience for the achievement. Barbed Bracelet is a 2 minute detour while gunning for Phantom, yet nobody wants to use it except autists with reaction times the speed of light or speedrunners that decide to pour 1000 hours into the game practicing.
Oh hey an actually good (mostly) correct video https://youtu.be/rkBoW5eYX-0?si=M3tyWjuI_2Dfj7eS
>Lost Garmond>Zaza resting by his corpse>tfwWas it avoidable?
>>543104253No.
>>543104210Will not watch any of this shit until I finish the game but my spontaneous feelings are that any attempts at whitewashing GMS will be met with hostility
>>543104253>corpseOh, wait, he died after that? I thought he just wanted to rest.
>>543105165It still blames GMS for some shit she didn't do. Though I truly don't understand why comments think GMS built the citadel
>>543058789I learned about Silksong existence in august, so I only had to wait 1 month.
>casual speedrunstill troon
>>543058789I never planned to play SS since I don't like hard games, but about a week after it was out, I got sucked into the hype. Had to wait about -7 days until it released.
>>543106186>blame GMS for shit she didn't do I can, and will, do that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62otQ-UhL2Q
>>543112487how come shes such a goofball when her mother is a bombshell?
>>543110738You think more about troons than troons themselves. Says a lot about you.
he is stuck in the ground lol
>>543124231nice now he wont be able to beat you in the fleagames
>>543124231Now he can do it too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOF_oIpCG3ADamn. Could not have said it better myself.Basically if you defend difficulty and tedium in games is because the sin of pride and ego.
>>543118092why are the mask look like jewish stars?
>>543124771Hornet remembers the six gorillion vessels.
>>543120623Lace would be hot too if she had her hair down
I think part of the issue with SS difficulty that I have not seen anyone talk about is that it's difficulty relies way too much on reaction speed, which leads to a feeling of not improving as a gamer, but rather, improving at learning a specific enemy pattern, which is only useful to that enemy in that circumstance. It's like learning songs on guitar hero, it doesn't translate as a skill. There is an initial learning curve of getting the hang of hornet's moveset, but beyond that, most of the boss fights, gauntlets, and platforming challenges, largely feel like trial and error, specially towards the end where bosses literally just teleport across the arena. This is why it's called artificial difficulty, learning a boss that teleports 5 times per second boils down to just learning to cheese its AI and doesn't feel like overcoming a hard challenge, it feels like learning to cheat an unfair task.
Have controllers devolved? At this point i might buy a freaking ps3 controller again cause this is straight up crap. Got an 8bitdo extremely awkward in my hard and the handles are so ass gonna return it immediately. Fuck me anons do i just default to an xbox controller i dont really like their design either. For the love of god someone recommend me a decent controller for PC
>>543126041>At this point i might buy a freaking ps3 controller againI'm already using a PS3 controller for PC games, so Idk what to tell you.I'm not using it because I think it's better. I only have a switch and a PS3, and between those two, PS3 controller was chosen.
>>543125904>I have not seen anyone talk about is that it's difficulty relies way too much on reaction speedI didn't like Last Judge 'cause I feel she was too fast, but other than that, I don't think I had speed problems.
>>543124516But silksong isnt difficultI dont get why you posted this here
>>543126041i got a gamesaar cyclone 2 and it just werks, but if you got an 8bitdo ultimate 2 and didn't like it you probably won't like this one too
>>543126041I just play on keyboard.
>>543124516I play on a laptop keyboard and it works okay enough to beat Savage beastfly 2 without much issue
>>543126041I played on my rog ally
I don't think I've ever done this gauntlet at the "intended" time.
TROBBIO haha
>>543134032Nvm. Thought this was the one near Forge Daughter.
I like how all the female characters have these pretty and distinct voices whereas most of the males are "guy in the office with a microphone" tier
>>543136024Must be some conspiracy.
Sherma, fat ass chef, creige, the couriers and pavo all sound the same
>>543137941I think skabedabos sound pretty distinct.
>>543138392Eto
>>543106186She was awake for the conquest of Pharloom so she presumably had a seat of power even if the citadel as a giant cage for her wasn't the plan.
>>543105165>any attempts at whitewashing GMS will be met with hostilityWhy?>>543120623Picrel
>>543142463Because GMS is an insult to good governance, as I've said before. "Oh no poor me I'm half asleep at the wheel and cannot account for the last millennia" shut the fuck up and get bound
I KNEW I could get him up there
>>543143369He is now floating forever
>>543143369fuck you Hornet. You know what im with Kratt i would peak too you indecent slut
>>543143673Shut up, Kratt
>Forgot to pick up the white key when I got to Songclave>Jewbilana charges me 220 bug bucks for it nowGod I hate this hag
>>543143369You can also toss him to the maggots.
>>543145321Does he gain the "status" (flashing green)?
>>543124516My opinion is the opposite. All modern games are too easy. If you don't die on a boss while learning it's patterns, then what's the point of it being an interactive game? Might as well watch a movie instead.That said, I don't like the console saving system that many PC games adopted nowadays, indie games included. Because of this system runbacks exist. If it was more like Half-Life or The Elder Scrolls save system, it would've been a non-problem.
>>543146356>save with one life in the middle of a boss fight>load and get killed before being able to moveretards would have still complained
>>543126041Use keyboard+mouse like a normal person.
>>543136024Still wondering why Pale King wasn't in Hornet's dream and only the moms were.
At last the only thing left me to beat is Karmelita. The initial gauntlet is simple enough, but her fight looks a bit annoying. Any way to cheese this fight like with Groal? This game has already stolen enough of my time and I want to get to any Act 3 ending and never touch this game ever again.
>>543141698Wasn't she asleep once the weavers took over?
>>543146595There's infinite amount of non-quick saves, just save often
>>543146734The Weavers aren't the ones who took down Karak or Verdania. Or at least they weren't more than her minions at the time.
>>543146665>can't beat the ant>thinks he can take on LLMight as well give up now.
So is Abyss Lace real, or just Hornet's imagination? I'm talking about the one that appears on the shore several times.
>>543143369He looks so hurt....>>543146665Some one posted a vid of how to cheese her with tools I believe a thread or three ago. I didn't watch it though out of respect for Karmelita.
>>543146992I also wanna know. Feel that moment could be explained better. Maybe it's some kind silk telepathy?
>>543147187stop explaining things just let it be mystical
>>5431466251: Continuing the trend from the first game where you don't really get to see him directly and have to judge based on the people he hung out with and the things he did. So he's gotta hang out in the background music of the memory.2: She's trying not to think about all the ways she's like him after she's also fucked up trying to use the void to get rid of a goddess.3: Silksong runs on motherhood as a theme.
>>543141698I wonder which settlements existed under GMS Pharloom? All bug-made places we see were made post-sleep (except for First Sinner's prison, but that's not a settlement). We know that there was at least some level of civilization, we see Weavers playing on harps in Widow's flashback.
>>543147468>you don't really get to see him directlyWe do see him, tho. In the Knight's flashbacks.
How strong Pale King would be is we battles him in Godhome? Would he just summon a bunch of minion to fight for him, or he's physically powerful himself?
>>543147678If you're gonna be pedantic I'll rephrase that as the player does not get to chat with him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9azgc2eP7EM>there were plan of a third fast travel method besides bellbeast and ventricajust get rid of fast travel at all. Metroidvanias don't have fast travel ffs
Here's a crazy thoughtdon't use it if you don't like it
>>543148729fuck that
>>543148836was meant for you of course >>543148729I sometimes use fast travel, I sometimes don't
>>543148729love watching autists get mad at things no one forces them to do
>>543148729Show us your 200 hour playthrough then. You stuck to your principles and didn't use the fast travel, right?
>>543148729Did you not fast travel? Serious question. I wanna know what happens to that one girl in the bell station at bone bottom. What happens to her when you don't arrive in with the bell beast?
>>543156816NTA, but I never used bell beast to travel there and she was still gone when I went there for the first time after having used it to travel elsewhere. I think she's just set to leave if you use bell beast at all. One day I'll do a playthrough with no fast travel and see if I'm right.
bro forget steelsoul 100/Bro forget Steelsoul 100% im not even sure i can beat Lace 2 on keyboard. I feel like im legitimately handicapped.
fast travel is fine but the fast travel cutscene should take the exact time it takes to walk to the destination, because there has to be a punishment for taking shortcuts.
Sorry, bro, but bait that retarded doesn't deserve a (You)
>Finished off one of the homobots with warding bell deflectlmao
>>543157008>One day I'll do a playthrough with no fast travel and see if I'm right.Talk to her every so often, as if she was Pilby. I spoke to her often and I think her dialog might've changed to something new, once.
>>543157008>>543161563Actually, nvm:>https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Quiet_Pilgrim>Hornet can meet the Quiet Pilgrim near the Bench in Bone Bottom after Act 2 begins, resting in the same spot Pilby once sat. She asks Hornet to remain quiet as she meditates. Hornet replies that her steps are quiet enough, however the Quiet Pilgrim then complains about Hornet's voice being too loud and asks her to leave. She remains in Bone Bottom for some time, but eventually leaves and remains absent for the rest of the game.
>>543161853Oh, whoops. Had the wrong one. Apparently more than one meditates:>https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Fearful_Pilgrim>Hornet meets the Fearful Pilgrim upon first entering Bone Bottom's Bellway Station. She explains she is resting away from the rest of the camp due to fear of the wider world, before giving Hornet some information about Bellways. If Hornet travels by Bell Beast to the station where she is resting, or calls the Bell Beast to the station, she is startled by its appearance. She also leaves the station if Bellhart is entered, or if the Skull Tyrant attacks Bone Bottom. After she leaves, her body appears in The Marrow, in the room below the Flea Caravan's first location, with two rosaries on the ground next to it.
>>543162993Ah, so Bellhart was the trigger.
Now I know what Hornet says if you get the sacred cylinder before ever talking to the vaultkeeper. Also it seems I've reached as far as I can go without getting the drifter's cloak, as the only way to reach the cauldron is by using a fan.
>>543091121that's also what I thought, something like Unn would be called a higher being and "pale" beings were an even higher tier of divine creature, but it's deliberately vaguemy reasoning was just the tablets that begin with "Higher beings, these words are for you alone..." have some sort of magical projection that I assumed only activated for divine beings and their descendents. what evidence is there that any sentient bug is considered a higher being?
>>543091121>>543165934We know that regular bugs don't understand jack shit from looking at the "higher beings, these words are for you alone" tablets thanks to the Wanderer's Journal, so even before Silksong there's a pretty clear line between the average bug and higher beings.
so what's the pilgrimage route anyways? It is implied it starts at bone bottom all the way to pilgrim's rest in far fields, but after that, are bugs supposed to just fly up to greymoor? or is there supposed to be another way we just don't see in the game? in kinda feels weird that they have to basically backtrack from farfields to blasted steps
>>543170257Just turn your brain off :^)
>>543170257The climb involves some rather literal climbing for the pilgrims. Presumably they bring rockclimbing gear instead of weaver nonsense like Hornet.
>>543170257>but after that, are bugs supposed to just fly up to greymoor?Good question. The halfway home is there, so they probably normally get to Greymoore some how.Speaking of flying, about getting the 3 melodies, Hornet says:>Hornet: "I have, maker. Clearly it was a climb never intended for regular bugs, and fair fortune that the skills gifted within your lands allowed my ascent."Implying that no non-weaver bug can complete this task, but couldn't a bug that can fly make a lot of that trivial? Cogworks core can be flew through. I guess High Halls has it's arena, but then one that could fly and fight would be fine? As for Trobbio, flying's not needed to beat him. Did someone really have to be a weaver to make it to the top?
>>543172496Having to go to the backup core at all was also not originally a requirement IIRC.
>>543172496iirc all bugs borne of pharloom have silk in them, so it could be that the citadel gave them this false hope so they could simply die faster to harvest what little silk they had in them
>>543147078Found a video suggesting the obvious: Karmelita does mostly 1 mask of damage, so facehugging her with wanderer is the way to go. Now it's LL time. Not gonna lie Red Memories were kino af
There's a movable cart/object near the bottom of the High Halls just before the Forum that can be moved. Is there any reason or have I been knocking this thing around for 10 minutes for nothing
the flower bitch right after seth is god awful. worst boss easily
>>543173506There is if you have double jump.And hate clawmaidens.
>>543174051Could be worse, she's at least easy to bully with Architect or Shaman
>>543174051nah she is fine. use your clawline to both attack and move
I played this last gauntlet wave like such a bitch, but I lived.
>>543174859I just came back later with shakra after disabling the clawmaidens
>>543176164That's what I did during my last run, but I'm trying to get under 5 hours this time.
been doing my best to avoid spoilers but i can't figure out how to get to act 3. rip
>>543177784Do you have the pervy flea?
>>543177784Just play the game.
>>543146597>playing metroidvania on KB+M>normalYou are a deranged freak
>>543177902Nothing wrong with playing a PC first game on a keyboard.
>>543177853no i don't think so>>543177891i have? i have no idea where to go. i can't go over every inch of the entire map
>>543177784just look up a map that's what I did eventually. you need all quests from the boards done and most of the fleas
Finally done with all the achievements. Time to just play for fun now.
>>543172496>Good question. The halfway home is there, so they probably normally get to Greymoore some how.maybe in the past the path was supposed to connect farfields with verdania and they got to greymor from there
>>543179789Try what I did, install the extra blue charms mod and then use the shittiest charms you passed up on the previous playthroughs like the crystal thing.
>>543172895>so it could be that the citadel gave them this false hope so they could simply die faster to harvest what little silk they had in themDeath was a sin. Silk was used to revive them so they can work more. Weavers could also make their own silk and did use their silk to heal others.>>543174051She's easy, but she's not bad.>>543180065Maybe.
>>543180164I'll try giving that a shot, maybe during my no fast travel run.
>>543177784The requirement to reach Act 3 is the Silk and Soul wish. If the songclave caretaker didn't give it to you yet (or you didn't take it off the board) then maybe you didn't trigger it yet. Check here for the requirements: https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Silk_and_SoulOnce you finish that, follow thought with the task he asked of you.
>reading the thread>Verdania>mfw I never encountered that area>mfw I'm about to beat Lost Lace
>>543182634stay away from that godforsaken place. The water in verdania turns you gay
>>543182634east of greymoor if you are so inclined
>>543182634Some secret passages into side areas are unironically bs, and this is coming from someone who goes around jumping into and hitting walls and ceilings.There's also the issue of having to remember/pin 12 different NPCs and areas that you need to revisit and then backtracking there.
>>543182634It's fine. Completely skippable. You just missout on some Green Prince stuff, lore, an entire location of some new enemies, some puzzle there, and a fourth heart.
>>543183159The Verdania entrance was definitely some Demon's Souls world tendency tier bullshit.
>>543182634Just like me, I checked a map when I was nearly done and was shocked to find that I'd missed two entire areas connected to Greymoor.
>>543183159>>543183379It's just bad game design, like the stuff they tell you never to do in game design 101. I did all the quests I was able to find, some markers hinted at unexplored areas, some of those areas were godawful to access even by referencing a complete map because the breakble wall was literally hidden by shit in the foreground. And then there's more, no hint, no way to know it's there in the first place unless you decide to just look it up on the internet, at which point the sense of exploration is gone and you're just running errands. Jesus I can't believe I spent almost 100 hours on this shit.
>>543184152>It's just bad game designFuck no it's not. Fuck game devs who are afraid of chunks of the playerbase not seeing shit. We need more Ash Lakes and Verdanias.
>>543184273Oh look a edgy contrarian spewing nonsense, possibly bait. Here good anon, have a (You) for your retardness. *pat*pat*
>>543184152I wouldn't mind super secret areas if they weren't clearly intended to be found only by autists, dataminers or by people looking online.Give me an endgame tool that allows you to detect hidden paths, or maybe make an arena or challenge where for every level you beat you get currency to purchase secret maps for each area and so on. But giving me nothing and just expecting me to either autistically hop into every single wall or look it up is lazy.
>>543184672>>543187516just accept that games aren't meant to be played blind anymore
>>543184152Truly missable content is actually important to exploration being meaningful, does a lot to make the world "feel" wider because you really can stumble into a whole-ass different thing nothing else tells you about.
>>543184152>>543187516not that i care to defend TC but recently I saw an interview that was somewhat explanatory, a lot of their decisions come from the idea of creating social media engagement, by making people want to look up guides or ask how to X on their social media of choice
>>543188330Having to go back to an irrelevant corner of the map because an act transition with no real reason to be over there isn't good content, nor does it make anything feel meaningful.
>>543144209for some reason it wasn't there on my second playthrough and i had to buy it off her. maybe there's another flag that determines whether it'll be there or not?
>>543188538You have a Craw Summons drawing you to three feet away from the Verdania door and an entirely new movement tech after the world got turned upside down. That's the perfect time to do a quick dash around looking for things.
>>543188409That's fine but they should also throw a bone to the players who do not wish to engage with it that way. Again there are elegant and fairly easy to implement solutions, especially given how long the game took to come out.
>>543190094The craw summons draw you close, but there's no reason to go further than the water wheel. Silk soar would be meaningless in an area that you've already fully ascended, aside from the very top.
how the fuck do you get over here
>>543193212You're trying to find the ant queen, try exploring the ant territories.
>>543188409>a lot of their decisions come from the idea of creating social media engagementMaking a game worse (by pushing people to look up stuff about it online) in order to get social media engagement just sounds like enshittification to me.>>543193212Hunter's March.
>>542809767I'm nearing the end of act 2 and reaper seems the best to me. the downward attack is so much easier and more consistent than any other crest.
>>543196350The pogo is easiest but it's unironically the worst crest in terms of damage.
boy I sure wish I could switch my crest or refill my shit but there's no bench anywhere
oh my fucking god there was a bench right there
>>543197297Complain Anon already beat the game, so I guess you're Complain Anon #2.
damn the red memory was epic
>>543196551it does make up the lost damage by not getting me killed while pogoing a boss or losing half my health on a run to the boss. i feel like i would be more willing to experiment if the benches werent so far away from boss rooms.
>>542932089was GMS born with that golden slingshot thing, or did the weavers cut off her legs while she was asleep?
>>543198765ok so hornet was born from weavers who had been subjugated by gms, and then she absorbed them to gain their power, then these bees trained her for combat. I'm assuming since the weavers weren't around anymore that gms was pissed and so hornet had to flee but I don't get what this red character and this tree looking tentacle head character was. I only played a few hours of hollow knight so now is the point where I have become lost on the lore
This search for an ideal controller to playing silksong on is driving me freaking crazy and that i cant play until i decide and get one is driving me even crazier. IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS HARD
>>543203412Nigga I could 100% the game with switch 1 joycons.Unless you're trying to be some ultra-precise TAS without the TA it doesn't matter.It's just not that hard.
>>543193292No>>543195379That's in the entire opposite direction. I'm not falling for your shit, retard.Someone give me a real answer.
>>543204717i was playing with an almost broken ps3 controller its not about that. I want quality and decent hand feel. THATS IT. It seems hard to find though
>>543188409>>543190968>>543195379Can you please provide source for that interview?Additionally, please list the secrets you believe have no in-game hints. Some are a little obtuse or require a keen eye, sure, but I don't recall anything ever being truly without a signal (even the stuff I chose to look up).
So apparently nothing changes in the seamstress' dialogue if you visit the pinstress first. Disappointing.
I think Elder Hu is a member of Shakra's tribe. Similar color palette, ring attacks, traveling shaman.
What mods that aren't cosmetic mods are still You Beat The Game tier?
>>543212234I like the one that removes the slowdown effect from parries, just because I think it helps keep the flow of combat running more smoothly.
>>543165569I almost feel insulted by that honestly.I *think* that that one fan is literally the only mandatory progression in the entire game that you can't get beyond without drifters.Not that I dislike drifters (I actually like it more than double jump) but the idea that the whole game can't be completed without it feels so silly to me when the block is one fan.
>>543172496No, some bugs just make it and most don't. That's why, well, you see pilgrims and such in the citadel.Loam's after-needolin dialogue also implies some bugs are born in the citadel and then tossed down from it.
>>543174051learn to pogolearn to cross stitchSeth is awful, Nyleth is fun. Seth is super fucking boring, hate fights that demand you follow their pace rather than establishing your own.
>>543177032in my opinion, the ONLY way to deal with the end of the gauntlet in under 5 hours is "like a bitch"Like really how are you supposed to get aggressive when they're that big
>>543212234adding SHAW, ADINO, HEGALE, and HAA to silk skill shouts
>>543213928link to this mod asap
>>543214057simple file replace mod https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/158Also adds git gud, heheh, and haha to tauntsIt's been a while since I tried the other version, which was a bepinx using one, but that version just...didn't work right? So I prefer this.Only problems with it, imo1. You now occassionally say GIT GUD as a taunt. I'm sure some people like that and I do get it, but canonically that was not a taunt and was more like, most likely "DO IT, NOW". It's also SUPER loud since Hornet originally yelled it in a final boss scene.2. When you "bind" crests or GMS, those apparently use the same sound base as silk shouts, so you will say SHAW, HEGALE etc sometimes during those scenes. Just a little weird but can't be helped
>>543214302nice thanks
>>543204863You have to explore all of Bilewater for the secret path down.
>>543200884I think she made that herself , she has 8 legs
On First sinner: Who tf imprisoned her? I thought it was GMS but. >Citadel denied her absolution >Slab comes after the Citadel>her cage uses runes , we know FS is the first to use them. > cocoon symbol, means silk wa sealed. >she has both animosity towards GMS and the Kingdom/Citadel
>>543222254Seven vagianias
>>543212234free needolin
>>543222389GMS back when the Citadel was under her control.
>>543087610Thank you so much.
>>543165934>what evidence Because the information given is super basic, common sense, PSA-style proclamations from the state of Hallownest, and not secret messages meant for a vanishingly small number of people. Like Pale King built an automated PSA-system where extremely basic bitch info most "higher caste" beings would already know intuitively is broadcast over and over. Then built them all over the land, most will NEVER be used or seen by the ~intended~ high caste recipient, because they don't generally chill in each others biomes and why should PK in any case give anything to rival high caste beings?? It makes little sense. Or it's just a PSA, and higher beings is a fancy way of saying "bugs are respected here, I'm a philanthropist and I care" and so on through rhetoric. See also pic related. "Only this *kingdom* can produce one such as you" refers to other higher beings now? Its very possible team cherry forgot about these tablets and the way they used the word higher being.. but mostly it's just a reddit hallucination that got a life of its own.
>>543224080Why didn't weavers free First Sinner if they got control later
>>543224506Still have to explain why Ellina can't read the tablets.
>>543224761That's some ancillary character from a EU type book? By that point, the misunderstanding regarding "higher beings" and the general illiteracy of nerds means wrong conclusions are drawn. That's just how these things are.
>>543224506The Pale King and White Lady were exceptions who weren't hostile to other divine beings, they wouldn't see other peaceful entities as rivals. But more likely they're just made for the vessels.Also>redditbut there's this:https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/6rvds8/comment/dl84v4g/
>>543225731Why are they made for the vessels? The vessels were discarded. There's no point in making anything for a vessel, because the project was already done and none of them were expected to walk around. Its not like PK was proud of that, see pic related. Discarded vessels were considered shameful failures. Anyway it's just more hallucination and actual "headcanon" being something repeated on YouTube comments, reddit threads and wiki pages and just accepted as fact, and no one thinks critically about these things. Eventually filtering into fanfic writers and so on.
>>543225731The plaques are clearly not written for Radiance, Unn and the odd Wyrm passing by. Ergo using 'Higher being' in this context is bound to cause confusion Where even members of team cherry are unsure of what they meant, because they apparently never revisited their early writings.
>>543224080Anon, the citadel came after GMS sleepy
>>543227201GMS sleepy means nothing. We essentially still had her full faculties
>>543202219>ok so hornet was born from weavers who had been subjugated by gmsThey were created by GMS. Weavers were originally Pharlids. Those bugs with claw hands you see scurrying around in caves or tunnels or vents. Hornet was born from Hera and the Pale King in Hollownest.>assuming since the weavers weren't around anymore that gms was pissed and so hornet had to fleeGMS was likely upset that the weaver's intentionally tried to keep her locked in sleep. Once the weavers realized it was no use trying to keep her asleep eternally, that she would always be the true ruler of Pharloom, they ran for the hills before GMS woke up. Hera and some other fled to Deepnest in Hollownest.>but I don't get what this red character and this tree looking tentacle head character was.Red character? Is that Hera? I don't remember colors well. Hera's the one who told Hornet to be herself, and don't let the other wishes of the weavers weigh her down iirc. Hera's Hornet's mom. Like, bio mom.Tree looking tentacle head character? I assume that was the White Lady. That's Hornet's stepmom, I guess. Hornet's dad is Pale King, and Pale King made lotsa babies with the White Lady. The Knight, from HK1, is one of them.>>543204863>That's in the entire opposite direction. I'm not falling for your shit, retard.>Someone give me a real answer.Damn, you got me. In that case, have you been to the slab yet? There's a prisoner there that you have to free. Once he's free he'll move to Pilgrim's Rest. Talk to him again there and he'll open the way to the right.>>543207896Lol. I like this.>>543212234Does showing hit boxes count as cosmetic?>>543212638I would love this.
>>543227201Ballador told you that the Citadel has only ever had one true ruler and we know her activities stretched from Bone Bottom to Karak to Verdania.
>>543222389I think it's possible that GMS had control over weavers at some point. You'll notice that the sins are things like irreverence, dissonance, and apostasy. I think these all kinda imply that these weavers didn't agree with the "religion" of Pharloom/Citadel or with GMS herself. Maybe it was something like:>GMS makes weavers and has some kinda potential mind control over them.>First Sinner realizes this and is upset about it.>Convince the others to put her asleep forever, rather than fight her 'cause of the control she can use (the Haunting?)>Realize this wont work, so they run far and hope they are out of reach from her power.>Some weavers stayed. She wakes up and controls the weavers (Widow for example?) to imprison/punish the weavers that rebeled.>Continue to hope that a weaver is born, one not from GMS and thus free of her control, comes to Pharloom to finish her off (Hornet).
>>543229128The conductors were one of the few that knew the truth of GMS. It's not that she was awake, but that he knew why the weavers ran.
>>543230212>she's "asleep" >but she still can imprison Weavers for apostasy >she can still create children, and cast them aside while asleep (phantom) >she can still micro manage bugs and make them do specific things while asleep >she can still attempt to genocide weavers while "asleep">she can still bind Widow and make her a Weaver-robot while asleep Massive cop out bullshit status. GMS was never asleep. Its a metaphorical status condition she got afflicted with after Weavers """"""betrayed""""" her.
>>543205040Dualsense5 (ps5 controller) has good harnd feel for me, and after I changed the springs for the sticks it hasn't shown any significant drift or issues despite years of use.
>>543230485>>but she still can imprison Weavers for apostasy>>she can still create children, and cast them aside while asleep (phantom)>>she can still micro manage bugs and make them do specific things while asleep>>she can still attempt to genocide weavers while "asleep">>she can still bind Widow and make her a Weaver-robot while asleepAnon, she did none of those things. Phantom came pre rebellion (and Lace too probably).She's most likely not the one who imprisoned FS , as her cage has runes , and the citadel denied her absolution. She has very little control over the haunted bugs, probably unconscious , as otherwise I fail to see why she'd act against her own main interest.Widow was MK Ultrad by weavers, we see her calling them traitors and her being eager for momma to punish them in the cradle.
>>543206175>Can you please provide source for that interview?just look them up on youtube, there's only a few of them
>>543234243Honestly, TC should clarify what's really the case at some point. I feel too much is vague and left to speculation.
>>543230485Gods are gonna do God shit. Like how the White Lady had a proper talk with Hornet through the memory.
Third phase LL is pure bullshit
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>>543237393Wait till you learn about 4th phase.
