Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8737 - Cream Miku Edition==NEWS==>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Accolades Trailerhttps://youtu.be/C6BSu_x0gcE>SAGExpo 2025https://www.sagexpo.org/>Mobile card game Sonic Blitzhttps://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-blitz-apk>Sonic Rumble Global Launch Delayedhttps://sonicrumble.com/GLDelay>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/==Comic Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary - 22 October 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 19 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #83 - 17 DecemberSonic the Hedgehog #84 - 14 January 2026Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds (oneshot) - 28 January 2026Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - 4 March 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://grabber.zonehttps://tails.kicks-ass.net/>SatAMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUxzf7qw1J0&list=PLVLLjN9wKHROAG1F4wnFFqp-cie7Wa-S0>AoSTHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IitAAlElX4&list=PLySo2SlSHPSOOGZM3_2Qun52hCaRNYW9y>X Dubhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CGih4gMRlk&list=PLPklMlGd9gwLRxf-3TJ-6GWsKUpgtQpss>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ OCs:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive/>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixels:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>542922285
>>542945875Fuck I hate namefags
00s SONIC AND JAPANESE GENERALHOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS?
>>542945875>Touch me Miku....>What?...
What if Tania met Cream?
Tails pussy bitch couldn't handle Eggman and can only defeat lame birds
>>542946014>Here we discuss ALL things Sonic!
it's funny to me that this general pretends that Tania is relevant just because she's japanese.
>>542945970OOC.Slop.
>>542946240You're right, we should stop talking about the games. Nobody fucking likes them anyway.
Douge
>>542946174Peak would happen.
My current plan for my project is making a 48 page one shot comic to set everything else up, and I currently have the entire story for it written down in "prose" form spanning 47 pages. I gotta convert this into a script format, make whatever edits and adjustments and revisions are necessary, before getting to planning how each page is gonna be visualized and stuff. Sonic the Hedgehog is the Fastest Thing Alive. Tails is Kid Sonic.Amy is Girl Sonic. If you think Tails is "Male Amy" or Amy is "Girl Tails", you are crazy and delusional. If anything, Amy is Nega Tails.Knuckles is Anti Sonic. Blaze is Nega Sonic. Shadow is Dark Sonic.Silver is Light Sonic.
>This destroys the ship hater
The booru isn’t part of the general anymore. It’s been taken over by Twitter fags. Why does it keep being added?
Imagine Lanolin calling you in to a nearby supply closet to help her de-stress…
>>542946431I don't recall implying that but whatever floats your boat, anon.
>>542946528Silver ain't shit
>>542946530Based Evan Stanley being a sonurge shipper
Chris X Agent WIlloughbyYuta X Topaz Wade X Maria
Superstars would have been more successful as a modern game. The classic designs are not as appealing.
Admit it you want it as much as me for the west race to die
According to /sthg/ Mania is western OOC trash, is this right?
>>542946526Funny that Tania is a year younger than Amy so she should look older than Cream
>>542946528You are late teach!
>>542947108In the 90s, Sonic characters used to talk. In Mania and Mania related media they never talk.
>>542947147porn when
>>542946528Amy is not "Girl Sonic". She is a follower, like Tails.Her character premise is defined by her companionship with Sonic and how he inspires her to gain confidence in herself and become a stronger person in pursuit of his attention and affection. This is the core premise of their dynamic, the same as Tails, and the one you want to erase because you watched Sonic X and read too many fan comics.You don't want Amy. You want to give Amy Cream's personality and lock Cream in a dungeon. Just admit you like Cream's adventurous wind-y spirit and stop trying to gut Amy's actual character to fit your headcanon.None of these are character analyses. They're just reductive labels.
>>542940553Stop attempting to apply real-world logic to this franchise.Shadow is as fast as Sonic. Shadow skating is an aesthetic difference, because another runner would be boring. When Shadow changes into normal shoes, he's still a speed type with the same stats. Not that the Olympics are great resources for stats, but it lists "runs fast" and is "fast at moving" as Shadow's advantages there. https://youtu.be/hhfqy6Qh9WE>>542940941They did, just not recently. X showed Shadow running quite a bit, but he's usually got someone with him to slow him down. He can keep pace with Sonic when he doesn't.
You attack "jpfags" for being "annoying" but even you wouldn't want the series to be destroyed by western OOC trash
Ah, yes! The life of Rolf is filled with many truths, as told by the son of a shepherd! Listen well, Anons!The blue hedgehog creature with the spikes is the Most Swift Beast to Ever Gallop Across Rolf's Homeland! Yes-yes!The fox-boy with two tails? He is but the Tiny Blue Spiked One! A mere sprout!The pink hammer-wielding she-creature? She is the Female Blue Spiked One! Do not question Rolf!If you dare to suggest that the fox-boy is "The Male Version of Pink Hammer Girl" or that Pink Hammer Girl is "The Female Fox-Boy," then you have the brain of Rolf's Nana's prize-winning turnip! You are mad as the three-headed goat of the Old Country! Bah!If Rolf must speak truly - and Rolf always speaks truly - the Pink Hammer Girl is the OPPOSITE Fox-Boy! The anti-twin! The shadow reflection in Rolf's well!The red echidna who guards the shiny emerald? He is the OPPOSITE Blue Spiked One! The rival! The adversary!The purple fire-cat from the other dimension? She is the OPPOSITE-WORLD Blue Spiked One! Yes!The black and red brooding hedgehog? He is the DARK Blue Spiked One! The shadow twin!The silver time-traveling fool? He is the LIGHT Blue Spiked One! The bright reflection!This is the wisdom of Rolf!
>>542947285Going on adventures is a trait the vast majority of characters have and is not exclusive to Cream
>>542947408>copied my postI'll take that as a compliment.
Serious question why is the west incapable of making good games?
>>542946189He beat Eggman more than once. Cope
>>542947239You want porn you pay out of pocket and commission it like everybody else who can't draw.if you do, have it be with both Tania and Sonia
>tails beatHeadcannon
>>542947494You're being deliberately obtuse.It's not about the act of "going on adventures". It's about the motivation.Cream is an adventurer. Amy is a follower.Amy's entire drive is chasing Sonic and trying to make him settle down. She tags along. Her motivation is entirely external and centered on him.You're ignoring the entire foundation of her character and her dynamic with Sonic just so you can have a "Girl Sonic". That isn't Amy. It's an OC.
>>542946479Cute N Canon!
Serious question why is Shadria kino and based?
Reminder 06 was west sabotage
>>542947725This is a boy titty franchise.
Bun!
>>542947746Blobian men belong to human women.
>>542946641They have to shove it down our throats because they want to feel like they're ambassadors of this shithole.
Sonurge > All other Sonic ships because it's Sonic with a girl who won't slow him down
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>>542947692Play the games.
>>542947285Tails isn't a "follower" he goes on adventures with Sonic because he and Sonic form an unbeatable team and both feel more complete with each other. Tails has his own life and does his own things and that's a consistent character trait
>>542947916We already have a girl for that who doesn't hate him and enjoys adventure, not 'being a hero' (praise from others, antithetical to our humble windy hero).
He let Tails win for fake confidence
>>542947850Meant to have MANY children
>>542948098Now THAT is headcanon.
What's wrong with Superstars?
>>542947285>Amy is not "Girl Sonic". Amy Rose IS Girl Sonic. Literally, this is what she is designed to be. >She is a follower, like Tails.Following Sonic does not change the fact that she herself is the Girl version of Sonic. Nor does Tails following Sonic make him "Amy". >and the one you want to erase because you watched Sonic X and read too many fan comics.I don't care about Sonic X's version of Amy, nor am I going by fan comics. I am going purely what the games have shown me and what Sonic Team has said about Amy's character.>You don't want Amy. You want to give Amy Cream's personality and lock Cream in a dungeon.No. I want AMY to be AMY. YOU want to give Amy's person to CREAM and throw Amy way. Amy is not Cream, Cream is not Amy. Being adventurous is Amy's own character. She's the girl whose energetic, spontaneous, with a thirst for adventure and thrill. >and lock Cream in a dungeon.What the heck are you talking about, here? I like Cream. What I DON'T like is you trying to use Cream to slander Amy by gassing up Cream with all of Amy's character traits, and then using Amy and Tails to insult and demean and put down each other because that's exactly what you do despite claiming to be a fan of both. Especially when you ship them. Now, personally, I have no problem with the idea of Amy and Tails as a ship, in a hypothetical scenario, but whenever YOU post about it, it feels like nothing more than trying to attack SonAmy, or slander both Amy and Tails, or wanting them both to just leave Sonic alone and be with each other so you can shack him up with Cream and use Cream to replace both Amy and Tails at the same time. Or turn Tails into a girl so you can make HIM be Cream and replace Amy and ship HIM with Sonic instead, for some weird reason I'll never understand. Tails is my favorite character across all fiction, and Amy is cool too, I guess, so I don't like when so much of what you say feels like backhanded insults and slander to them.
>>542948089Oh, I get it. You're a pedophile. I guess it's in your nature.
>>542948243It's not nearly as good as Mania and the presentation is a mixed bag
>>542948243Nothing, it's just that no one wants Classic Sonic anymore at this point. They're very basic games that don't feel unique, the novelty wore off, and classicfags have been so arrogant over the years that no one would mind if they stopped making Classic Sonic games.
ATTENTION, CLASS! >slams desk Pay attention, you little IMBECILES!Sonic the Hedgehog is the Fastest Thing Alive! FASTEST THING ALIVE!Tails is Kid Sonic.Amy is Girl Sonic.If you think Tails is "Male Amy" or Amy is "Girl Tails", you are CRAZY and DELUSIONAL!>eye twitchesLike you've been hit with FAIRY MAGIC! If anything, Amy is Nega Tails.Knuckles is Anti Sonic. Blaze is Nega Sonic.Shadow is Dark Sonic.> Silver is Light Sonic.>adjusts glasses franticallyNow WRITE THIS DOWN or it's an F-MINUS for ALL OF YOU!
>>542948243The bosses are annoying
The fanbase hates you movie niggers
Why is Sonurge so good bros??
>>542948367...and then you close Twitter
>>542948072Tails' entire character motivation from his introduction is that he was bullied and saw Sonic, the embodiment of freedom and coolness, and wanted to be just like him. He followed Sonic. That's the literal premise of his character.This grew into a partnership, but the foundation is him being a follower who wants to emulate his hero. His entire independence arc in SA1 was about learning to be a hero on his own, like Sonic. His identity is inextricably tied to Sonic. His growth in confidence and ability throughout the first adventure title is directly comparable with Amy Rose's, too.Tails and Amy both have lives outside of Sonic, but that doesn't undermine the fact that their relationship to him and desire to receive his affection and attention is a consistent and defining trait for both of them. Unlike Cream, who is content merely accompanying Sonic on his many adventures.
>>542947432Many doors, yes?Too much, couch-potato hedge-boys like yourselves?
>>542948329I wouldn't call Mania good presentation either, it mostly consists of recycled level design from the original games.
Would Shadow do this?
I like how the pedophilic crossdresser put on a name for attention and nobody acknowledges him except Sl***y because nobody views him as a woman.
>>542947828No, you're racist
Chaotix comic preview dropped. It seems fun!
>>542948465What is this cope? I don't use Twitter.
>>542947746big girl and little man
Why can't Maniafags accept the fanbase hates your shitty game?Why are westies so retarded?
OOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA BLAAAAAAAAAAAZZZEEEEEEEEE
>reminder that Sonia is cannon
>>542948138>rabbit>made for baby makingYeah that checks out
>>542948468>Tails and Amy both have lives outside of Sonic, but that doesn't undermine the fact that their relationship to him and desire to receive his affection and attention is a consistent and defining trait for both of them. Unlike Cream, who is content merely accompanying Sonic on his many adventures.This sounds like you're insulting and looking down on Amy and Tails for being so strongly connected to Sonic in major crucial identity-defining ways, and thus leading you to focus on Cream who encompasses traits of both but without the direct link, admiration or idolization of Sonic defining her, so in your head pairing Sonic and Cream feels more neutral than having Sonic be accompanied by either of his biggest followers and supporters. Which sounds to me like you secretly hate Amy and Tails despite posting a picture of them together titled "Besties". Which just sounds like when that other guy was making a anti-Sonamy collage but called THAT Sonic and Amy being "Besties".
>>542946530Sonic defends the people that caused Surge and Kit to suffer in the first place. This is Stockholm Syndrome the ship, and there's nothing happy about this.
>>542948647>big girl and little manBASED BASED BASED BASEDBASEDBASEDBASED!!!!
>>542948712>Wii and low settingsSonia is the poorfag princess?
>>542948329Did you not have a fun time playing Superstars? It has Mania's physics and fully original zones.
>>542947285Nta, but Amy actively seeks out adventure and excitement even when Sonic isn't involved, and Cream is shown to fullfil a similar spot as Tails with how she's more polite, easygoing, and timid than Amy, but looks up to her adventurous and go-getter spirit.
>>542948498>trying to sneak shitver in with the actual characters He and shitaze both belong with the fishes sleeping
>>542948468Tails already is Sonic's best friend, he doesn't need to go out of his way to want Sonic to see him as a hero or respect him or whatever. In fact I think there's a Sonic Channel story where Sonic goes out of his way to show Tails something. Tails isn't constantly looking for validation he's content with his life and his relationship with Sonic is perfect as isWanting to be like Sonic is more about him realizing his potential. Tails always had the ability to go around and have adventures searching for things on his own, but he was too insecure because of the bullying. Sonic just rekindled his light. Tails goes on adventures with Sonic, and adventures without Sonic
Shonen kino makes Sonic not gameplay westcuck
>>542948745Aren't you a windfag? The ship is literally about Surge learning to understand and accept Sonic's teachings and making her life better and forgiving all of hate
>>542948863>Sonia is the poorfag princess?No shit, She grew up as a standard millionaire girl rather than the complete excess expected of royalty.
Muh 06 badYou are too retarded to appreciate jap kino
Frontiers gets criticized for copying the level design from previous games, while Mania gets praised for doing the same thing. Mania is a lazy, low budget game that doesn't do anything truly new. It's mainly just a ripoff of the original classics.
>>542948513Nah the sprite work in Mania is amazing, the soundtrack is kino, the new stages look great and the overall aesthetics are cool
>>542949039NTA, but to be a follower of the Wind is to respect the original core spirit and intent behind a character. To ship Sonurge so strongly is to reject and deny the core spirit of Surge and what defines her, in favor of forcing her into a box she doesn't belong in.
>>542949186Westerners should never work for Sonic again>>542949201Westie cope
If you can accept Sonic falling in love and going on dates and getting married then you can accept 'surge falling for Sonic because both are just as far off from the "canon"
>>54294918506 is bad and so are you
i have an obsession with thinking about my favorite character being raped but i don't want to do it i want someone else to do it does anyone want to sign up
>>542949320Fair enough I guess.
>>542948806>drink milk and grow big for Maria
>>542949201It's mostly recycled ideas from the classics, there's only like 4 new stages.
06 is one of the worst things conceived by a group of humans
THERE WAS NO "PROBLEM" WITH AMYS CHARACTER, SHE WAS CUTE, SILLY, FUNNY, AND CHARMING, HER WANTING TO DATE SONIC WAS A GOOD RUNNING GAG (literally) AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO STOP DOING IT OTHER THAN SOME FUCKING FEMINIST OR JEW OR BOTH WHO NEVER EVEN PLAYED THE GAMES COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND COULDNT ACCEPT THAT NOT ALL ART EXISTS FOR THEM SO THEY DESTROYED SOMETHING I CARE ABOUT.I WANT AMY TO BE OBSESSED WITH SONICI WANT SONIC TO RUN AWAY FROM HER BECAUSE HE THINKS SHES ANNOYINGI WANT IT TO BE A FUN RUNNING GAG LIKE IT WAS BEFOREI DONT GIVE A FUCKING FUCK ABOUT ((((CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT))))) FUCK THAT SHITGENOCIDE ARCHIEFAGS, GENOCIDE IDWFAGS, GENOCIDE SAT-AMFAGS, GENOCIDE (((CONSULTING))) FIRMS, GENOCIDE (((ETHICS DEPARTMENTS))), AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NUKE ISRAEL.
SO CALLED "FANS" REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT CHARACTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A CERTAIN WAYWESTFAGS RUINED HIM, THEY RUINED THE CHARACTER, CHANGING HIM INTO SOMEONE HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THEY CAN'T ACCEPT IT. THEY THINK HE'S TOO ANNOYING TOO MUCH OF A "TROPE". WHY EVEN USE HIS NAME IF YOU WON'T USE HIS CHARACTER? WHAT IS THE POINT OF THAT? "THE ARCHIE VERSION IS BETTER" IS SUCH A LAME EXCUSE,. THE ARCHIE VERSION IS OUT OF CHARACTER AND COMPLETELY IGNORES THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS ARE ABOUT CHARACTERIZATION. THEY LIVE AND DIE BY IT. YOU CAN'T CALL YOURSELF A FAN IF YOU HAVE TO CHANGE HIS PERSONALITYRESPECT THE ORIGINAL VISION OF A CHARACTER OR DON'T USE THEM.THERE IS ONLY ONE ANTOINE
>IDW>Fleetway>Archie>Prime>Boom>Movies>AOSTH>SATAM>Underground>Mania>all shit and hated by the fanbaseIs this the power of the West?
>>542949039IDW Sonic isn't Sonic, he's a literal monster, you know he is, and yet you keep trying to push this garbage.
>>542949320Sonic has canonically gone on dates with Amy before. Accepting a date once in a while is not the same thing as a full committed relationship. Surge even considering the concept of a date with Sonic is even farther removed from anything close to canon.
>>542948298That infographic is terrible, Sparky. No matter how many times you post it, it doesn't make your arguments any better. It lists a bunch of generic, positive traits that could apply to half the cast and then pretends it's some profound discovery that Sonic and Amy share them. "Loves adventure and hates boredom"? "Positive attitude"? "Hates injustices"? Welcome to the entire hero cast of a children's media franchise. You've discovered nothing. And the gendered archetypes that have fuck-all to do with either character and are tenuous at best (who the fuck would describe Amy as a 'disney princess'? Sonic is not fucking SUPERMAN, FFS) read as misguided at best and sexist at worst. Reductionist regardless.The list deliberately ignores the single most important difference: motivation. Sonic's traits are intrinsic. He runs because he is the wind. Amy's traits are extrinsic. She "loves adventure" because it's how she chases Sonic. She "inspires others" by accident while trying to get Sonic's attention. She is a follower. Her entire character is defined by her relationship to him. That is the fundamental relationship. She is the planet, he is the sun.You're getting hysterical. I never said that I wanted to throw Amy away. I view Tails and Amy both as essential partners to Sonic. Quit projecting your weird fantasies of locking Cream away in a dungeon onto me.This isn't about "gassing up Cream". It's about acknowledging that Cream is a character who genuinely enjoys adventure for its own sake, unlike Tails and Amy. You just want to gut Amy's actual character so she can be a pink Sonic stand-in because you're too attached to a version of the characters that only exists in your head.I do not bring up shipping in our arguments about ARCHETYPES, you DO.
>>542949201>soundtrack is kinoIt's a bunch of generic YouTube remixes. Tee Lopes is the least exciting composer who works on this series.
>>542949597Many of those are liked. The movies are the reason Sonic isn’t a laughingstock anymore for the general public
>>542949624>Sonic has canonically gone on dates with Amy before.>offscreen>Avoided>did it because she initiated and not him
Tee Lopes, Hesse, Taxman are as bad as Ian and Evan
OH FUCK SALLY PLEASE FUCK ME OOOH FUCK ME PLEASE SALLY PLEASE!
>>542949320>If you can accept Sonic falling in love and going on dates and getting marriedSonic spends time with his friends. The rest of this is nonsense.>then you can accept 'surge falling for SonicAlright, then you can accept Sonic falling for Eggman and Surge falling for Starline. Both of those ships also revolve around a character falling in love with someone they despise for entirely good reasons.
>>542949774Shut up Shadow
>>542949690Most of those are not liked.
I still think Sonic having a Family could work.
>OVA >X>Manga>games up to Black KnightAll beloved
>>542949865You just have to make his family ridiculously normal.
>>542949838IDW and parts of Archie are liked outside of here. Aosth and sat am and the Boom cartoon are liked. The movies are VERY liked. Mania is liked.
>>542948557>>542949967Not to IDW fans.
>>542949667You know jack shit about Tails fuck off
>>542950025You are a non fan
>>542949865Aleena and Longclaw are the only Sonic mothers R*ndomfox tolerates so that means there is something correct about them
>>542949967>games up to 06ftfy>mangaNo one cares about it>OVAOlder than most of the posters here
>>542950174Non fan
>>542950250Retard
People who attack Sonurge frighten me. They insist that it's out of character but Sonic's old character bios said he is a ladies man. They say Surge would never fall for him but Surge is literally transferring into heroism as time goes on. Surge likes the idea of being a hero. Sonic already predicted that Surge is going to befriend him, how often is he wrong? They won't kiss on the page but she will be inspired by his nature and fall for him. I'm calling it now. You can screenshot my post and yell at me later if you think otherwise. It actually makes more sense than other ships that I won't name. People who hate Sonurge also concern me because it's like these people only want conflict and suffering but they don't want a payoff. They don't want her to be happy. She is a victim in all this. She never WANTED to be evil. Why should she stay this way? What is wrong with you?
>>542949667>That infographic is terrible, Sparky. No matter how many times you post it, it doesn't make your arguments any better. It lists a bunch of generic, positive traits that could apply to half the cast and then pretends it's some profound discovery that Sonic and Amy share them.It lists the core traits of Sonic & Amy's characters.>Attitude and confidence>Shortsighted (not detail oriented)>acts in the moment>follows their heart, not their head>pure heart>short temper>positive attitude>loves adventure and hates boredom>loves sightseeing>inspires others for the better>hates injustice>sticks to their beliefs and goes after what they wantThese are core, defining attributes of both Sonic & Amy, on a fundamental level. To deny this or say "it's just generic good stuff for everybody" is to suggest that Sonic & Amy's personalities do not exist. The last two points>believes deeply in true love, wishes and fate>open about emotions and feelings (openly cries)vs>believes deeply in freedom and not being tied down>reserved about emotions and feelings (doesn't openly cry)Are points of contrast that cover how they EXPRESS all of the previously listed traits that they share. Amy is warm and open about her emotions, Sonic is cool and closed off about his emotions. But again, on the inside, they are running on the same hardware. They have the same kind of personality and mindset and spirit. The crucial difference between Sonic & Amy is that Amy is the "Girl" Sonic, so she's pink and wears dresses and obsesses over love and romance, but everything else about her is just a direct mirror of Sonic on a conceptual level. The very basis of who Amy is, and why she was created, is to be "the Minnie Mouse to Sonic's Mickey Mouse". >"Loves adventure and hates boredom"? "Positive attitude"? "Hates injustices"?These are the very things that are typically listed in their character profiles. "Boredom" is Amy's specific dislike.
>dude people like sonic now who cares about intentionWhy are normgroids like this?
>>542950375>>542949667Go argue with this idiot instead >>542950348
>>542949380Wow, simultaneously cute and repulsive
>>542950440Seconding this
>>542949865Please kill yourself.
I never understood the praise for Tee Lopes.
MJ ruined Sonic 3
uh oh japsissy melty.
>>542950382People who rely on popularity as their only metric should go play fortnite or some other fotm slop instead
YOU'RE ALL WHORESALL OF YOUYOU WOULD SACRIFICE THE CHARACTERIZATIONS JUST TO BE MORE RELEVANT? JUST SO MORE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE SONIC? THAT'S WHAT A WHORE DOES. THROWING AWAY THE IDENTITY OF SONIC JUST SO THAT YOU CAN FEEL VALIDATED AND NORMAL?YOU ARE A WHORE
Sonic is hotKnuckles is buffTails is ____
>>542950382Guarantee your preferred intention is shit
>>542950570This is why the PC/Origins version is better.
JANNIES BAN WESTNIGGERS NOW
>giant japsissy melty
>>542950348Sonic said he'd beat the shit out of Surge if she ever tried killing Starline or Eggman. You are trying to put a literal victim in a relationship with the man that actively defends her rapist from justice and harm by violently attacking her.You are an actual subhuman monster that lacks any and all empathy whatsoever.
>>542950634He’s cute you asshole
>>542950634Cute! <3
Is it me or jpfags have been completely unhinged lately? It's not even ironic anymore, they've been spamming insults against their opposites for days now.
Intent > gameplayNormalcucks
>>542950348You're missing the point. You don't understand Sonic's character. Or Surge's character, for that matter.Surge isn't becoming a hero. She's driven by a selfish need for validation and revenge against Starline. She doesn't fight for justice or freedom, she fights for herself. Liking the "idea" of being a hero is just another facet of her ego. It's hedonism.Sonic is an ideal. He's like the wind. An incorruptible force of good who pursues the happiness of himself and all life. He inspires people like Tails and Amy to be better. He doesn't exist to fix broken people who are obsessed with him. That's not heroism, it's a bad fanfic.People who dislike the ship don't want conflict, they just have a better grasp on the characters than you do. Surge is a victim, fine. That doesn't make her a hero. Her motivations are rotten. She doesn't want to be good, she wants to win. There is a difference. A very real difference.Surge will only be happy when the people sing her praises.Sonic will be happy when he has a quiet day to read a book, take a nap, and go on a jog to a new city.
>>542950440>>542950486I hate that guy, but honestly that seems like a good argument.
>>542949865Thank you for giving me a reason to post this. it's neat.
is Knuckles older than Sonic?
>>542950629>YOU WOULD SACRIFICE THE CHARACTERIZATIONS JUST TO BE MORE RELEVANT?Exactly what Sonic Team has been doing for 2 decades >>542950807Both are shit in the mainline games currently
>>542950826>>542950851How about you two argue over this point instead? It is new.
The classic games are badly designed. They do a poor job at communicating the goals and rewarding the player. Most players do not even understand how the games are supposed to be played, or what good gameplay performance looks like. There is no ranking system, no one keeps track of completion times or score. They were designed with an outdated arcade mentality in mind, but didn't give the tools for players to compete, and no one has. Most players will just slowly walk through the zones, Spin Dash randomly, constantly get hit, survive off of one ring, and completely ignore score, and bonuses. They effectively work against the game design philosophy, and the level design isn't built around their play style. Sonic Adventure 2 introduced the solution to this problem, however the whole point of games like Sonic Mania and Sonic Superstars is to hold the series back by following outdated game design ideas. The worst part is that there are amazing games hiding inside the classics, and no one plays them.>>542950798It's one person.
>>542950826I'm telling you she can have character development to fall in love with Sonic
>>542949667>Quit projecting your weird fantasies of locking Cream away in a dungeon onto me.I have no such fantasies. I have never made any statement or implication on wanting Cream removed from anything. You're projecting that onto me. I'm going by what I've analyzed about your own behavior in general. The way you describe Amy and Tails versus Cream displays a preference for Cream over them. The way you constructed your 'Sonic Union' thing under the idea that Tails and Amy as "partners" for Sonic did not work because "Amy can't date Sonic" and "Tails can't surpass Sonic" made both feel like "narrative jobbers" to you in a way that dissatisfied you. Beyond that, you have directly displayed a strong dislike for Amy in particular on numerous occasions, and have gone out of your way to describe her in the worst light possible, reducing all of her character traits to nothing more than obsessing over Sonic, and demeaning even that, as if there wasn't anything more to her. And when presented with evidence to the contrary, you find all sorts of excuses to dismiss it. Even when playing some silly fan game thing or whatever, you use it as an excuse to hate on Amy. For example, this: >The list deliberately ignores the single most important difference: motivation. Sonic's traits are intrinsic. He runs because he is the wind. Amy's traits are extrinsic. She "loves adventure" because it's how she chases Sonic. She "inspires others" by accident while trying to get Sonic's attention. She is a follower.You imply that Amy's own love of adventure, and her own inspiration of others, are not "true". You think they are fake, false in some way. This perception of yours is false. Amy is in-fact a girl who loves adventure, simply as she is as a character. She is an energetic girl that craves excitement and thrills, and always has been. Amy is genuinely passionate about all of her interests, they do not just exist because of Sonic.
westies should recorded in a national registry
>>542950798There's this 2000sfag that got completely mindbroken over Classic and has been crying about it the whole day
>>542950982>I am telling you that you can bullshit a reason for this ship to work.
>>542950976older games used to not hold the players' hands (or their dicks) and instead let them explore what to do
THIS IS WHAT WESTSHITTERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE >>542949803POINT AND LAUGH, /STHG/ POINT AND LAUGH
>>542951015What are you talking about?
Sonic fan challenge: Stop being autistic for 5 seconds
>>542950982No. That's not character development. That's just turning her into Amy.We already have one character whose entire existence revolves around pining for Sonic. We don't need another. It takes the focus away from the established cast and puts it on some western comic OC.Sonic isn't a prize for a villain's half-assed redemption arc. He's the wind. He inspires people to be better, he doesn't "fix" them by letting them fall in love with him. That's not who he is.If you want that, go read a fanfic. Don't try to make it canon.
>>542950976The Classics require replayability, creativity and intrinsic player motivation. I know pressing the boost button and walking down hallways with dash panels and homing attack sequences feels great but some people like to play things in their own way
>>542950976>The classic games are badly designed. They do a poor job at communicating the goals and rewarding the player. Most players do not even understand how the games are supposed to be played, or what good gameplay performance looks like. There is no ranking system, no one keeps track of completion times or score. They were designed with an outdated arcade mentality in mind, but didn't give the tools for players to compete, and no one has. Most players will just slowly walk through the zones, Spin Dash randomly, constantly get hit, survive off of one ring, and completely ignore score, and bonuses. They effectively work against the game design philosophy, and the level design isn't built around their play style. Sonic Adventure 2 introduced the solution to this problem, however the whole point of games like Sonic Mania and Sonic Superstars is to hold the series back by following outdated game design ideas. The worst part is that there are amazing games hiding inside the classics, and no one plays them.>Sonic adventure 2 introduced a solution to this problemOnly the speed stages are functional, and even they are buggy. You absolute retard.
>>542950826>>542950752I think you guys are just being a bit weird honestly. I'm chiming in as an unbiased party here. What exactly is so bad about Surge learning the error of her ways and Sonic realizing that he hurt Surge? You're acting as if this would be destroying some fundamental deep aspect of their characters. Seriously? Women fall in love with Sonic all the time. And Sonic isn't above love either, just look at Sonic I get if you like Sonamy or whatever but Sonurge is just as valid.
This place often lists me as an example of people here who "understand Sonic" and I just don't engage with the namefag's massive paragraphs. I hide them if they're particularly long. He made it clear early on that he does not understand any of the characters he's talking about, especially Amy, and it's proof that typing a lot doesn't necessarily mean you're right. Whenever someone else who actually knows their shit about Sonic debates him he quickly realizes he's outclassed and resorts to feeding posts into an /sthg/-specific AI chatbot to keep up. It's really gay inauthentic attentionwhoring behavior, but hey, at least he "discusses" Sonic sometimes. Since that's how low the bar is right now.
DIE WESTNIGGERS DIE CLASSIKEKSDIE DIE DIE
>>542950982The issue is that IDW paints Sonic as the sole reason villains like Eggman haven't been stopped permanently, and if it wasn't for redeemnic Surge would've never been kidnapped in the first place and would still be living the happy life she used to have instead of being brainwashed into a living weapon against her will(Which Sonic still doesn't care enough about to change his ways).SONIC is the one that needs to develop and accept he's wrong in IDW, but you've said it yourself that that will never happen. Sonic will literally NEVER give Surge a reason to want anything other than to see Sonic's head on a spike for what he's done, and you're too much of a monster to get it.
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>>542951325Sparky doesn't use AI.
>>542949998Nah, The real trick is to have a family that's somewhat normal on the surface but is secretly really interesting underneath.Like a normal loving mother who use to be a warrior princess/ Queen before getting exceled and forced to take up a new identity. You tell that story right and it could make a pretty sweet third act plot twist for a origin anime that will never happen.For Paulie, just say he did pilot missions in Vietnam before becoming a test pilot, Maybe his plane was shot down and he was forced to react that deer hunter scene
I remember a few threads ago someone said it was westfans that “needed to be nicer”. Lol
Another JPfag W
>>542951301>I get if you like Sonamy or whatever but Sonurge is just as valid.So it isn't
>>542949667>This isn't about "gassing up Cream". It's about acknowledging that Cream is a character who genuinely enjoys adventure for its own sake, unlike Tails and Amy.This is false, and another example of using Cream as a weapon against both Tails and Amy. Amy genuinely loves adventure. To imply she doesn't is to imply that Amy Rose is not who she claims to be, and that itself is a nonsensical assertion. Amy loves adventure and blood-boiling action, that's part of who she is. Amy also loves Sonic, and Sonic is always at the center of adventure. Of course the two are interlinked, but to imply that the love for adventure ONLY exists because of Sonic, and to use such an idea as an attack against Amy's character, to say she's "only just a follower" in such a demeaning tone, is the exact sort of thing I can not stand for. You display a preference for Cream as a direct result of a dissatisfaction for Tails and Amy being what you call "followers". I have referred to Tails and Amy as "the Sonic Followers" in the past several times out of the way I analyze and describe things (I also call Knuckles and Blaze the Sonic Challengers), but I hold no such negative bias towards that conceptual role, nor do I believe it holds them back in any way. >You just want to gut Amy's actual character so she can be a pink Sonic stand-in because you're too attached to a version of the characters that only exists in your head.The version of Amy I care about is the official Sonic Team version of the character that has existed in the games since Sonic CD through the Adventure era and to this very day, in at least the Japanese versions of the games. You, however, appear to want to dump all of Amy's character traits onto Cream instead, because something about Amy doesn't resonate with you, and you can't imagine the thought of Amy actually being with Sonic in any capacity unless it's purely non canon, yet any ship with Sonic you have does not have that issue.
>>542950887In the Classics, Sonic is listed as 16 while Knuckles is listed as 15. As of Sonic Heroes (2004), Sonic is listed as 15 while Knuckles is listed as 16. So Knuckles was the younger one before they settled on the current ages, and now he's older.
>>542951325I do not know who you are but Sparky understands Sonic better than nearly everyone. So I don't know why you are going after him.No one could ever match him until Violet came along.
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>>542949667>I do not bring up shipping in our arguments about ARCHETYPES, you DO.I bring up what's relevant and necessary. Shipping is directly intertwined with character analysis, especially when it involves a character whose core purpose is to be the main protagonist's girlfriend figure. The ships you have displayed a preference for directly reflects how you perceive a character. If anyone watching My Hero Academia ship Deku with Bakugo for some stupid bizarre reason, that will directly color how they even interpret either character and they'll misread all sorts of things in crazy ways to justify that ship in their heads.
>>542951408>>542951585That's not what was said you unintelligent nigger
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>>542951723Door stuck
>>542951657
>>542951723why would someone put effort into making this
>>542951408>>542951585That person is talking about Violet, and judging by the way they insist on saying "he" it's obvious who it is.
>>542950348>They say Surge would never fall for him but Surge is literally transferring into heroism as time goes on.Her core motivation as a character is her irrational hatred for Sonic, which got further cemented with her interactions with him giving her more solid and legitimate reasons to fuel that hatred. Erasing all of that for the idea that she'd just suddenly fall for him currently has no basis in canon and reads like you want to throw her entire character under the bus just so you can have a version of SonAmy that is "spicy" enough for you.
>>542951325I find their posts too difficult to read which makes it hard for me to engage and just comes across as smug displays of "intelligence" I much prefer your posts anon.
>>542951086This has nothing to do with handholding.>>542951297I have no clue why you're lying, but you're also completely ignoring the point and changing the subject.>>542951251Replayability comes from figuring out which routes are faster and give more points. This is completely lost on virtually all players because in the modern day players don't pay attention to score and score bonuses (time), as that is an outdated design convention from old arcade games. Even in the 90s the classic games were still badly designed in this aspect because they lacked any way to save scores or time attack. They just had the act clear screen that showed you the score and the bonuses for a moment, and it's immediately forgotten. It's so badly communicated that you think the games are about "creativity" and "intrinsic player motivation", when the goals are technically on screen at all times. You just ignore them because you don't understand the game. And it's not your fault, the games are just poorly made in this regard.
>>542951861a lot of people call him he because he's a man
>>542951714You are talking about Sparky though. I do not know who else you are talking about.
>>542951301Sonic already realized that he hurt Surge. The issue is that he doesn't actually care enough to actually stop defending villains, or make it up to her in any way whatsoever. Acting like Surge should just suddenly stop hating him for no reason is moronic.
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>>542951223>We already have one character whose entire existence revolves around pining for Sonic. We don't need another.Somehow this sounds less like reasonable criticism against that Sonurge shipper, and more like Amy slander in disguise.
>>542950465Huh, I actually forgot that phrase used to be a thing every time sonic met his friends.
We should redpill Sonic Retro, Stadium, Twitter and Reddit about west niggers
>>542951925You're applying your supreme, bizarre lack of creativity and motivation to everyone and saying that these games are poorly designed just because they don't specify what you should be doing in them
>>542951959There are a small handful of namefags that are named here as "understanding" Sonic very well. Only one of them is openly hostile enough to make it a point to misgender Violet
>>542951325>>542951896Sorry I forgot to post this image to prove my point about your posts being easy to read.
>>542951861What's wrong with calling him a he?
>>542951976
>>542952136Violet is a girl and acts like one.No real man would act that way.
>>542951723Always makes me suffer when one of the diamond cutters suffers, specially lanolin.
>>542951657I think this is cute.
>>542952113>calling a male a he is hostile behaviorwhat site did you wander in from? reddit?
>>542951959The thread calls Violet girl Sparky though.
>>542952153I don't care about the story, but what the fuck is that inking?
>>542951925>lyingYou literally said shitty Sa2 of all games has all the gameplay positives and that people don't know how to play classic games with no sources or references, you're just saying baseless disingenuous shit to praise flawed modern.
>>542952286Sin City Reference.
>>542952279that's less about acknowledging Violet's gender identity and more-so the thread just using her against me somehow to create a narrative that I've somehow met my match or whatever nonsense they want to perpetuate.
>>542951723Oh no her only redeeming quality!
>defending classic sonicReally? In this wind general?
>>542951712Sparky, I'm a multishipper. Ships do not paint my understanding of the franchise. I like a lot of ships. Sontails, Sonamy, Tailamy, Sontailamy, Sonream, Taiream, Amream, etc, etc.This might be the case for some people but it is not universal.It is really irrelevant to constantly bring up that I like a ship when discussing my opinions on the series.It also feels weird to constantly bring up stuff from an older version of Sonic Union (that was written months ago) as if it reflects the current plans for Sonic Union or my general thoughts on the series. That particular train of thought was mostly encouraged by my co-author, Clem, for the first draft. This largely is not reflected in the current WIP version of Union, where Patty the two-tailed fox and Amy Robotnik are BOTH Sonic companions.The frustrating part of both characters, for me, at the time of writing that draft was the fact that BOTH due to poor quality writing and mandates were unable to fulfill their character arcs. I wanted to create characters that were not susceptible to these pitfalls where it's frustrating to watch them never reach their potential. (An equivalent to Miles Prower, by the way, does exist in universe. Miles Fox.).You've said a lot of stuff, Sparky, honestly it's exhausting to respond to it all. However a lot of it feels like personal insults, accusations, and claims of ill-intent rather than just... acknowledging that I have different interpretations of this series, the games, and the text of the works than you.I want to get back to all of this but it's honestly getting late. I'd love to have a discussion with you about this in private at some point if you'd be open to it because it'd feel less awkward talking to one another privately than posting multiple paragraphs of pages on an anonymous imageboard.
That poster has a point. Violet is lucky that all he has to do is debate about shit like if Sonic would date Surge. If he was put against one of the other windfags it would likely end in embarrassment. He's lucky that none of them seem interested so far.
>>542952279You aren't the thread sloshy, only you say this. Violet's just another confused man, which is why he's generally ignored and nobody simps for him.
>>542951976Now I'm just thinking of Sin City but Sonic
>>542952350Is the inking lines as sloppy in that too?
Disliking classic sonic is against Sonic and "wind" itself. All of those traits started in the classic games.
>>542951812Yeah get fucked Amy, Vector is gonna talk about his rad life
>>542952427Dunno who you are talking about I am this anon.>>542952130I just see it constantly brought up in the thread
Which namefag has a fat ass?
>>542952410I'm sorry if I sound accusation or irrational or whatever, but I can't help but overanalyze everything. Especially when it concerns two of my favorite characters, and I've made a habit out of posting in response to anything I see as "incorrect" or "inaccurate" information.
>>542952585This is a 00s sonic general, redditor
>>542952516>Frank Miller artMuch more so actually
>>542951976>Rorschach's Journal: October 12th, 1985. Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face.
>>542952418Violet pushes agendas I agree with so I ignore her.
>>542952410>I like a lot of ships. Sontails, Sonamy, Tailamy, Sontailamy, Sonream, Taiream, Amream, etc, etc.I'm now completely convinced you're one of those people that takes what is literally just a friendly dynamic between characters and then mutates it into some kind of romance because you're obsessed with romance as a concept at the expense of any sort of cohesive characterization, and cannot wrap your head around a genuine heartfelt friendship.
>>542952410You two are so similar you should honestly date.
>>542952657This is a Sonic general, secondary.
Remember Tails?
>>542952724>herhe isnt going to fuck you dude
>>542952098I have played the games in "creative" ways for many years. I myself did not realize that was not the point for a long time. The developers specifically designed the games to be played in a certain way. The goal is to complete these established challenges. You are expected to be conscious of the level design, the paths, the shortcuts, the secrets, the item boxes, your time, and your score. "Creativity" only becomes relevant when you fail to complete the established challenges and have to come up with alternate plans on the fly. If you're being "creative", it means you have failed. And you will fail, because completing the challenges isn't easy. But your goal shouldn't be to be bad at the game.>>542952331I don't care about your barely readable lies and deflection. Sonic Adventure 2 introduced the ranking system, which elegantly solved a major problem with the classic games and Sonic Adventure.
>>542952730Heck no.
>>542952752Of course
>west should not compose, write, develop, animate or contribute in any wayWe agree with this, right /sthg/?
>>542946528Your project will go nowhere, just like your grandpa after you beat him.
>>542952802Violet pushes agendas I agree with so I use her pronouns.
>>542952418He's lucky he talks about topics I don't care about. The one time I did engage he switched to using the AI to respond to me, since he's my inferior.
>>542952726Do you just hate /sthg/? Being a multi shipper is basically required here to participate in nearly half of discussions.
>>542952859No shut up and kill yourself already
>>542952859The people who should compose, write, develop, animate or contribute in any way are people who fully understand what Sonic is on a conceptual level. If anyone in the west resonates with that, they are more than welcome to work on Sonic. But that's a very strong "if".
>>542951657Wait wtf? Real Amy is resurfacing? Did she drink some funny water???
>>542952808Stop projecting your retarded views on others please
>>542952909>i will lie when i agree with someone on something ok, good to know
>>542952930Of course they hate /sthg/, they've literally said the general has the IQ of a nut multiple times. I have no idea why they even bother posting here still if they think everyone's so fucking stupid. Like just leave already if you hate it so much, nobody's forcing you to be here arguing about ships or whatever the fuck all day.
>>542952930>Being a multi shipper is basically required here to participate in nearly half of discussions.>Why do you hate shipping?If you had half a brain you'd be able to understand the irony in this post.
>>542953026*handrubbing intensifies*
I guess the only way to truly test Violet's mettle is to bait him into picking a fight with Random, Krakc, or Scribblers.
>>542952930>>54295311099% of people who post here are men
JP chads saved this general
>>542947918>Jesus Christ, how horrifying
>>542952410>I'm a multishipper. Ships do not paint my understanding of the franchise. I like a lot of ships. Sontails, Sonamy, Tailamy, Sontailamy, Sonream, Taiream, Amream, etc, etc.Honestly, I don't know how you can entertain all of this and not let it paint your understanding of the franchise.
>>542953138I do not understand the irony unless I am supposed to see you as an idiot. Help me to not see you as an idiot.
Shadow's cock saved this general
>>542953195Violet and Krack get along now because they both love Shadria.So we are in deep trouble.
>>542952153we got a Skeksis running the Mythsonian
Mania doesn't understand SonicTaxman, Tee Lopes and Hesse deserve to be as hated as Ian and Evan
>>542953047I can tell you've never even tried to compete with your own times, because if you did you would realize just how well intentionally designed the classic zones actually are. Instead you think the focus is on "creativity". It's too bad that most of what makes these games great is hidden behind this poor, outdated design decision.
>>542953335Oh fuck no.
is sonic gay or something
>>542953335Alright... that narrows it down to Random and Scribbles. Shouldn't be too hard right?
>>542953364Explain
>>542953459no, Sonic just's a dude
Namefags are such a cancer, but in a way, you faggots all deserve it for letting it run loose.
>>542953472Scribbles and Violet would not fight because they both love Sally.Randomfox would fight her.
ngl Vector telling the story of one his first investigations that happened right there on the day of the anniversary is pretty interesting I can't blame Sonic.
>>542953254Shippers devolving all talk about a series into why their favorite character should be fucking one character instead of another is infuriating. People like you are why these threads devolving into nonsense shit like Sonaze vs Silvaze arguments instead of literally anything else. Shippers ruin characters, shippers ruin threads, shippers ruin franchises.>I do not understand the ironyFucking clearly.
>>542952808>I don't care about your barely readable lies and deflection. Sonic Adventure 2 introduced the ranking system, which elegantly solved a major problem with the classic games and Sonic Adventure.Ranking systems aren't gameplay you dopamine addicted puppet.
>>542953640Okay so you do hate /sthg/
Do not even consider aggravating Randomfox just to have a Sonic debate here. It would take him days to get tired of it.
>>542953417I did and had fun, because these games offer full control of my movement and how I can interact with the level. I don't need the game to hold my hand and tell me exactly what to do, or straight up temporarily remove my interaction
If you like Mania you hate /sthg/
Imagine what it would be like to see the world through Tails' eyes. Where you think Sonic the Hedgehog is the coolest guy ever and the guiding light of what you aspire to be like someday. To have high aspirations you want to achieve, and making the effort to maintain that belief and self-confidence in yourself in-spite of all those bullies that tormented you for being different from them. To spend lots of time cooped up in your workshop tinkering away at your inventions, and pushing yourself to keep up with Sonic's incredible speed and abilities, in pursuit of those high aspirations. What do you think that would truly be like?
>>542950465>Vex>>542953026This is proof that the "mandate" and "SEGA's intention for the character" shit is overblown. A lot also depends on the whims of whoever is writing.Not like this guy is a much better writer or anything but at least he seems to pander to whatever his twitter audience is complaining about, which is better than how others of the IDW staff respond to criticism.These captchas are getting more and more ridiculous, by the way. Pic related.
>>542953879That sounds somewhat exhausting. Tails works hard...
>>542952752I remember Tails being shit.
Only westniggers hate Tails
honestly this isn't a good thing. it's kind of annoying reading idw and feeling the characterizations bounce around because one writer actually likes 2000s amy and another writer thinks she needs to "move on"
>>542953640You are a full on retard who throws out babies with bathwater.
Only westniggers like Tails
>>542954027I love Tails and the Japs treat him much worse than the west
>>542953967I think you're misremembering then
Going to bed soon but I'll leave you with this tonight.Good night, /sthg/! ^^
>>542954032Yeah well, too bad.
>>542954032Imagine being Ian. You DARE to even IMPLY Amy is moving on from Sonic, and the entire fanbase explodes, and you own co-writers actively work against you in that specific regard, and Sonic Team themselves removes, downplays or actively ignores your attempts. Amy Rose is more powerful than Ian Flynn.
>>542953703I didn't call them gameplay. I called them game design. You are not engaging with my posts honestly.>>542953769You didn't. You think the games are about "creativity" when they're actually about memorization, reflexes, and consistent execution.>I don't need the game to hold my hand and tell me exactly what to do, or straight up temporarily remove my interactionThis is completely irrelevant to the conversation, but... it happens? These games are full of sections where you just let the springs send you left and right, or where you go through tubes, or like those loops that make you roll automatically, etc. But please don't change the subject to other random irrelevant mechanics. We were talking about the scoring system, how every act is heavily designed around it, and how the games ultimately fail to make players care about it despite it being the core around which the whole experience is designed.
>>542952097Butt
>>542952859I've seen how the Japs write their Sonic manga vs the western comics. If it ain't self-insertshit like Blade of Courage, it's stuff like>Kid: Sonikku, how do you go super fast and boost like that?!>Sonic: Heh, well you see~>BBBBRRRRRAAAAAAPPPPPPPP>Tails: *Nervous chuckling, sweat drop, arm behind head* This is why I stopped following behind him!
>>542953967You're remembering canon.
>>542954032I'm assuming this is a response to >>542953909I don't really mean that this sort of inconsistency is better for the book or anything, but I mean this follow up from this particular writer is marginally better than how the other basically double down on their mistakes, blame SEGA, or blame the audience for it. Pretty much all the writers on IDW should not be working on this franchise in an official capacity, they're really not suited for this.
>>542953909>this guyWho? The black guy you guys have been talking about wrote this or something?
>>542954131>the Japs treat him much worse than the westHow?
>>542954241>picOOC
I don't think Ian hates Sonamy, I think he was being honest when he said it felt mean spirited to have Amy keep chasing after something she will never get. A lot of fans claim that he is just seething that he couldn't make Sonally canon. I don't think this is true. He actually said something similar about Sally. That it would have been cruel to leave her interested in a mascot character.Sally is the kind of character who would get annoyed and move on. Ian thinks Sally is the ideal female character. It is only natural he would assume the same of Amy.
>>542954401Are you serious? He’s been relegated to lame pussy ipad kid ever since Unleashed
>>542954215You don't understand the idea of picking up a videogame and playing it how you want to without the need of artificial incentives>when they're actually about memorization, reflexes, and consistent execution.Yeah you've been completely mindraped by boost and general modern Sonic design and can't see anything beyond that
>>542954398Yes. He still doesn't write much different from the other IDW staff, note how Sonic is still throwing out nicknames and saying corny things like artsy fartsy, but at least his willingness to pander to his twitter followers gets him to move the needle on stuff like Amy's characterization or whatever.
>>542954032Now you know how everyone else felt reading IDW. Should've just kept the comic consistent with the rest of the series from the start.
>>542954027The opposite is true. Only westchads want him to be the best he could possibly be, while the japoids want to feminize him, it's horrid.
Whenever I watch something from the early 2000s, the generic "cool guy" characters often speak like how Sonic does in the adventure era. This is because the english dubs of Sonci games have literally always been chasing youth trends
FEELING IT
>>542954131>ArchieNo
>>542954154Slit your own throat, cunt.
The Japs hate Tails, so I hate them
>>542954873Bratty fox...
>>542954154Seconding this >>542954847>>542954873That AIslop is Jap-styled
>>542954616Why do you seem so jaded? If this is how he writes we need him around more.
>>542954987Grinchmy
>>542954797Excuse you?
>>542954873This is just furry bait slop too, same vein as island chinks.
>>542954516I understand it. It's fine if you enjoy messing around in the levels and coming up with your own challenges. I do too. But the classics do have "artificial incentives", as you call them. They are literally on screen AT ALL TIMES. Those games were made in an era where you were still expected to pay attention to the score, to note it down, and compare it with your friends. Everything in the games is designed around that, from beginning to end. They didn't anticipate that the game would be played in this way.>by boost and general modern Sonic designControls aside, boost is an extremely streamlined version of that game design style. I prefer when there is more freedom of movement myself, like in the classics and Adventure era games (which I think is safe to assume you haven't played, if you think they're actually anything like boost). Ironically Frontiers is more in line with what you want, since most of the game consists of a free open sandbox where you mess around with the controls and find creative ways to reach the collectibles without any sort of "artificial incentive". Chaos Island tries to go against that design philosophy for more traditional platforming, and it works against the rest of the game's design, which is why everyone hates that part of the game in particular.
>>542954987Just what is she planning?
>>542955035Because he's not japanese.Only japs produce good media.
>>542953472Debating with scribbles feels like trying to debate bugs bunny and debating Randomfox feels like trying to debate daffy duck
>>542955035It's not anything particularly good, and he's only written one (1) side comic before this one. Still nothing on the main publication. Either way I don't see what's so much better about his general writing style than the others. The only difference is that on twitter he's always blabbing on about what he's going to do, which is where most of the fanfare comes from. I'll give him this, at least he admits Blade of Courage is better than IDW and it's the example to be followed. Still not so convinced. Also he hates my people (whites). This guy is not much different from the rest of IDW staff and should stay away from my franchise.
I find it weird to accuse JPfags of being annoying just to spam threads while pretending to be one
I wonder why people still make sonic indies when sonic fans obviously will never buy them
>>542955382The logical conclusion is to have Scribbles and Randomfox debate each other, and get someone else to be Elmer Fudd or something.
>>542955382Holy shit...
>>542955446There is no pretending
>>542955492They're glorified fan games.
>>542955382what does debating krack or violet feel like
>>542954032Welcome to comicbooks, it is actually your first time reading comic books? Is like the first rule, along death doesn't have any weight at all.
>>542955243>Everything in the games is designed around that, from beginning to endExcept they weren't because you could just... Ignore the score and... Play the game in other ways... And that doesn't affect your enjoyment of the game I don't hate ranking systems but I find a lot of Modern Sonic games to be weirdly restrictive and they test your "performance" based on how well you completely what the game specifically wants you to, and there isn't much room for improvisation. SA2 has very linear level design and sometimes you need to do very specific actions to get the desired A rank
>>542955492No amount of good gameplay will sate the autism in the same why characters and designs do. Fangames neglect the latter and pay the price every time.
>>542954873Source? Citation needed
>>542955841Yeah it's like shonen kino sells and westshit doesn't
>>542955428>Also he hates my people (whites)You could've just started with that pinkster.
>>542955721>KrackMaria>VioletChatgpt
>>542956007The movies are the most successful financial Sonic media in recent memory
i wonder how many people will miss this thread because they have the namefag filtered
Characters that make you feel like this?
>>542955446lol
surj
>>542955710>>542955841I mean even aside from character design you're mostly looking at 1/1 gameplay most of the time, and its not like all of them are rollin rascal tier. Maybe the devs should start pretending to be japanese to get over the west vs east bias
Imagine trying to convince Bugs Bunny and Daffy that Sonic is not the wind
>>542956131Vanilla and Lanolin
>>542955756You weren't expected to ignore the scoring system. The game literally shows you the score at all times, and also shows you how many points you're getting for each specific action that you do, like whenever you hit an enemy or destroy something. It was designed for you to pay attention to the score, to challenge yourself to beat your scores, and to beat your friends' scores. But sure, you can ignore it and play more casually, if you feel like it. But you're not getting the full experience....you can also ignore the ranks. I do that. I like to mess around with the controls and level design. All the ranks do is make it more obvious that you're expected to pay attention to the score, and that's why it's a good design decision. In the classics the entire point of the scoring system is lost on virtually all players because they were designed with a now outdated 80s arcade mentality. You are not getting the actual, intended experience, you are not engaging with most of what the game has to offer, you are not completing the challenges that the developers put all their effort into crafting in detail.
>>542956131
>>542956296That game is literally a reskin of Sonic GT.
>>542956296Rolling Rascal made 500K
>>542946965Superstars would have been dogshit regardless since the gameplay is poorly designed. The fact that it's a Classic Sonic game is only a added bonus to the issues, as people are fatigued with the Classic brand.
>>542956487Hollow knight made millions.
Consuming anime and manga is all you need
>>542956454It plays fairly differently.
>>542956589If you're a nerd geek!
"Westerners can't characterize Sonic characters correctly"have you ever seen a sprite battle made by a twelve year old boy
>>542956647How much are they paying you to say that?
>>542956741None I paid for the game back when I played the demo in 2021.
>>542956739That's because all the gaijin currently writing for this franchise either are poisoned by fan fiction and SatAM/Archie or they're Hollywood jews that don't give a fuck about the source material and just want to do their own thing
>>542956892Yeah, sure. Paying for a reskinned fangame,you got fleeced.
i still don't really know what a windfag is honestly, its "Sonic expert"?
>>542956739>Boy franchise is written correctly by boyswow
>>542957210another way to say faggot
>play mania>is shitWow westerners can't do anything right
Surge loves Sonic
>Yuta is Sonic's MariaHow do we feel about this?https://x.com/pungter/status/1978829594170917242
I don't care
>>542957548yuuta is going to fucking die
>>542957548What are the implications of this?
>>542957548Yuta has to be the lamest Sonic character to ever exist after Chris.
>>542957548But that's literally Longclaw
>>542957210A windfag is someone who likes Sonic's original Japanese characterization. The name comes from the series, most often in the 2000s, often comparing Sonic's personality and behavior to a force of nature, usually the wind. Windfags typically believe that Sonic had a reasonably consistent characterization in Japanese material from 1991 to 2009, or in some cases even to this day, with potentially some notable exceptions here and there (for example many have turned against Sonic X in recent years, and Lost World is usually disregarded regardless of language).
>>542957548Yuta is Chris-tier. Sonic’s Maria is Tails if anyone. The manga is shit
>>542957630>Chris hate in 2025
>>542957638No, that's Maria and Yuta. Are you stupid?
>>542957548Cool art.
>>542957548>Yuta is destined to die young
Longclaw >>>>>>> Yuta and Chris
Sonic Daybreak?
>Yuta is going to get Maria'dOh no, bros!
>>542955428>and he's only written one (1) side comic before this onethis is his 4th story, not his 2nd (outside of Scrapnik Island healso wrote the Omega/Gemerl story in an annual and wrote the part of the 900 Adventure with the Egg Shogun Z mech)
>>542935908This. Literally this. So much this. You can't even begin to comprehend how much THIS was put into this. Literally a Nuclear Truth, Truth Nuke even.
>Sayonara, Sonic the Hedgehog
>>542957798Hope is for Yuta>>542957697Sara is for Yuta
>>542957650What? How the fuck are you comparing Tails and Maria?
>>542957798Why are you looking at porn?
>>542958071Mind your own business bro
I don’t want Yuta to get gunned down.
Ian is a better writer than Evan on a technical level, but Evan understands the characters betterBarnes is what you get when you have Evan's level of characterization understanding applied to a writer that's a bit better skill wise than Ian
Would Tails let you pick him up or would he squirm around and whine like a fox would?
>>542958071Why is Hope 16 looking 5
Why are there so many trannies and faggots in the sonic fandom lately? Discuss.
Japs are much better writers than westerners even in literature.
>>542958040Tails is Sonic’s best friend just like Maria was Shadow’s. I know it’s not a great comp but there really isn’t one. Yuta belongs nowhere near it however
>>542958386What Japanese literature would you recommend?
>>542958360The Sonic Franchise isn't very heteronormative so it doesn't have anything that gives lgbt fans the "ick" as they call it
>>542958360Shadow’s reemergence has emboldened faggots and fujos with their love for Sonadow
>>542957548Madonna is Sonic's Maria
>>542958286Good genetics? Being in stasis? one of those two.
Maria is Shadow's human companion in an Imada manga.Yuta is Sonic's human companion in an Imada manga.That is the parallel he drew. Not whatever insane nonsense appeared in your head.
>>542957548Woah, Yuuta and Sonic are going to fuck?
>>542958713Madonna was scrapped and turned into Amy. She doesn't exist anymore.
>>542957776Reminds me of Sonic Colors 3D sections but with momentum instead of boost. Idk if that's a good thing, looks too demanding.
Nonstop anal sex with Blaze.
Wow we should have a Knuckles Manga that gives him a human companion
>>542958809Yuuta dresses like an early 2000s rapper and it pisses me off
>>542957630Yuta is a growing shonen protag with a power sword. That's way better Chris.
>>542958918
>>542958918Shadow was made specifically to be a human woman dildo
Why does no one question that there are literally humans in Sonic's universe in Sonic X
>>542958360Good morning nigga, it's been that way for ages
>>542959056ship for dogfuckers
>>542958910this feels like a coomer post for some reason
Trying to figure out why IDW put out that On the Go volume 1 which is issues 1-12 again. I feel like every other month they put something out that collects those issues. Do they really need to oversaturate the market with that many Sonic books?
The adventures of Knux and Willoughby
>>542958360furfags tend to be both
>>542958924He honestly does, lol.
>>542958816Well Maria was killed by GUN and turned into Amy. So she doesn't exist anymore.
>>542958817>Sonic Colors 3D sectionsThere is like only one of those that isn't a quickstep hallway.
Imagine, if you will, Blaze farting in your face, your actions?
>>542954032Ian is pretty much the only one who is trying to shove Amy away from her roots while literally everyone else disagrees.
Based CHADow btfo SHITnic and his new human rapemeat in his own manga.
>>542959267>Well Maria was killed by GUN and turned into Amy.Maria is not a scrapped character whose concept and design were recycled into another. Are you an idiot or just pretending to be fucking retarded?
>>542958910How quickly we forget
Sthg one day decided that Maria being officially called Shadow's sister doesn't count
>>542959273>your actions?
>>542959123So?
Is it problematic to sexualize Hope when she is older than almost the entire Sonic cast
>>542958924Imada really did his homework in capturing the soul of the 2000s
>>542958360Modern transgenders are exclusively autists and the series has been written by and for faggots on the western side for a while now.
>>542957548>Yuta will be brutally murdered right in front of Sonic.Bold turn for the story, Imada.
>>542959513Bro, its just a drawing.
>>542959426Wait is that Chris?
>>542959540Grim. This is the real Sonic Dark Age.
uhh just so you know i ship shadow x amy because amy acts like maria, but you can't ship maria because she's 12, you can only ship shadow with other 12 year olds that act like maria, also i interpret maria as shadow's sister, shadow only has sex with women who act like his sister. understand?
>>542959606Answer me
>>542959513She's pretty much a thousand year old loli situation since she looks and acts like a child. I say it's okay if she's actually depicted her age or older.
Amy. Chris. Hope. Molly. Yuta.They are Maria.
>>542959032I love how this image is filled with pure misinformation and thinks that "being rich = can't have any social issues". Even though there's been a widely documented track record of rich people often being lonely or depressed.
>>542959680It is not "problematic" to "sexualize" Hope or any other Sonic character.
>west shitCan you fuck off already?
>>542959835Is it problematic to sexualize you
>>542959606You're just a drawing>>542959606It's Hope.
Japanese franchise
>>542959639LOLno its hope>>542959891>It's Hope.Yeah I can see that
>>542959963Oh, phew....wait, who is Hope? The Overlander girl from the Archie comics?
>>542960014why do you know the word overlander but you don't know the only character relevant for that name?
Shadow makes Sonic's spines tingle
Why does she threaten /sthg/?
>>542960071I mean Eggman and Snively are here
Julian...
>>542960071Literally the only Archie comic I remember is a vision of the future one where Sonic and Knuckles bitch at each others about Overlanders uprising.And apparently robotnik was NOT one of them?>>542960101Lack of spankings in her spoiled childhood. I'd fix that...
>>542959639technically hope and chris should look identical
Robotnik's brother was an asshole, he deserved the roboticization
>>542958817Try playing it, it is perhaps the opposite of what you described.
>>542960085Shadow makes my pussy tingle
>>542960101Maria returning after been absent for over two decades worries a certain crowd of people, as this means Sega is slowly reintroducing actual humans in the franchise than sticking with a bunch literal who furry OCs as shown with Forces and the IDW comics.
>I've come to a saddening realization that the SnapCube fandubs are essentially just tranny humor
>>542958360I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed modern times are full of fags and trannies who blindly chomped into ideologies.
>>542960403how the fuck did you come to that conclusion?
>>542960403I mean the poster herself is a tranny so
>>542960014She is a girl who lived in space and was a robotnik. All of this was before Maria. Would later become more of her own character and for the little she got, was nice.
>>542960403Just now?
>>542960551I don't like that art style, but whatever. What's her story? Does she die early?
Why doesn't Sega appeal to jp chads?
>>542960403Took you a while.
>>542960683Lived in stasis in a space colony before coming to earth. She is Dr. Eggman's cousin, she resembles Maria but is much older.She, like all preboot Archie characters, is erased from time and space after issue 252
>>542960551>All of this was before Maria.You're trying to make it sound like there is a big gap when her issue and Sonic Adventure 2 came out in the same year only a few months apart.
06 tone was kino and westerners are retarded
>>542958360The tranny fad is dying according to polls and I've seen less titchop mental illness fanart. But fujos and fags have infested this franchise since the 90's. They made Sonadow.com before it was even confirmed Shadow lived after SA2. The only difference is they pretend they're supporting the gays now instead of admitting it's fetishism.
>>542960886This
>>542960551Why is her name "Kintobor" when Gerald is already established to be Robotnik?
Metamorhia is pretty busted
>>542960548>herself>captcha ST0P2
>>542960757They don't buy from them.
>>542960993>the grim zonealso known as /sthg/
>>542960987Because Gerald is a contrarian
>>542960886Tone doesn’t mean shit without execution
>>542960987Its pretty complex, her surname comes from Ivo Kintobor, who is Robotnik's dad
>>542960757They do. V-tubers are shilling Sonic games left and right
>>542961171Jap execution is flawless
>>542961248I hate it
>>542961291Get the fuck outta here lol
>>542960987Apparently Robotnik and Kintobor are names for two different families in Archie.
THERE IS A CANONICAL INSTANCE OF GROOMING IN THE SONIC FRANCHISE THAT EVERYONE ELSE OVERLOOKS EXCEPT FOR MEIT'S SO NOTICABLE AND IT ADDS SO MUCH DEPTH WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ITWADE FUCKING WHIPPLEHE IS 43 YEARS OLD ACCORDING TO THE MOVIE NOVELIZATION43 YEARS OLDHE HAS AN OLDER SISTER, WANDA. SHE IS IMPLIED TO BE NOTICABLY OLDER. LET'S GIVE IT A LOW ESTIMATE. 2 YEARS.45 YEARS OLDHOW OLD IS WADE'S DAD? AT THE TIME OF FILMING WADE'S FATHER WAS 60 YEARS OLDWADE'S MOTHER WAS 80 YEARS OLD60 MINUS 45 (WANDA'S LOWEST POSSIBLE AGE) IS FIFTEENWADE'S MOTHER DATED A FIFTEEN YEAR OLD AND GOT PREGNANT BY HIM.THAT'S WHY HE RAN AWAY WHEN WADE WAS SO LITTLE. BECAUSE HE WAS LIKE 21 AND REALIZED THAT HE HAD THROWN HIS LIFE AWAYTHAT'S WHY HE DEDICATED HIS ENTIRE LIFE TO BOWLING. IT WAS HIS DREAM THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE HE FUCKED A MILF.IT'S GROOMING. SHE GROOMED HIM.
>>542960683Lots of sadness. Losing her family, family she has left are assholes, her brother betraying the good guys, causing her to leave them out of shame for trusting him. Last moments before the wave was cursing her brother for being a jerk. She... had a hard life.
What was THE issue that turned /sthg/ against IDW?
>>542961248This makes no fucking sense. So in the Archie world, Eggman's MOTHER was the Robotnik descended from Gerald and the KINTOBORS are a different line?Are you fucking me in the ass right now?
Feng.
>>542961456Makes sense to me
>Silver and Blaze standing in the background hitting the same pose againworthless characters>>542960886Everything about Silver and Blaze is retarded and iredeemable, go fuck yourself.
I really do not care for this forced Archie discussion. Talk about better comics like Fleetway.
wow its almost like archie is horseshit and everyone who likes it should die
>>542961385That's actually pretty messed up
Is there a chance this could ever see the light of day since it features no Archie characters and is mainly game centric?
Robotnik Mach Two (formerly Robo-Robotnik, formerly Dr Ivo Robotnik, formerly known as Julian Kintobor from the House of Ivo from another zone) aka EGGMAN
>>542961606I'm surprised the final issue was never leaked. It was said it was basically done.
>>542961343The american lore fucking sucks man.
>>542961385if you think that is fucked up, chuck from Sonic X had his son when he was 12.
The whole kintobor thing is just as stupid as sonic getting his irises from "chaos energy"
>>542961606>>542961672Hesse's lineart was basically done, but the colorist (Matt Herms) said that he was *right* about to start coloring it when he got the news that they lost the license
>>542961578Fleetway is simply not as interesting to talk about compared to the other comics.
>>542961546>knuckles coming out of the ground>tails with the arm cannon from battleokay i'm interested now, is this game any good?
>>542961672Where was that said? I know Hesse said he finished his pencils. But idk about colors, inking (I think Hesse does his inks, so maybe that was done) and the lettering.
>>542960886>tone>furry dbz but worse Off yourself
where is the canon in universe confirmation that "Chaos Energy" is a thing that exists?
>>542960886This. Smugllenials are just too gay to understand
>>542959137the On the Go volumes are literally just smaller paperback versions of the big hardcover omnibuses
>>542961717>>542961385What the hell?????>>542961885There isn't. It's either called "Chaos Emerald Power" or "The power of the chaos emeralds". Only Archie and the movies have ever called it "Chaos Energy". It's just Chaos.
>>542961636
>>542961834Because...?
>>542961492I thought this was a picture of fang cumming for some reason
>>542961829I think IDW could reasonably get it finished up and released if they really wanted to.
Sonic is from Nebraska, has sisters and eats trash
Have you ever thought about how Chuck Thorndyke is clearly not the Breadwinner? He is not the business owner. Chris's dad did not inherit the Thorndyke fortune from him. He earned it from his own tech wisadry. Chuck lives off of his son. Chuck who had his son when he was 12.
>>542961950Archie called it the "Chaos Force".
>JP SA1 did 175K in release week and JP SA2 did 90K in release weekWhat went so fucking right with the Adventure games?
>>542961971Because British people are boring. They like beans on toast.
an entire generation of kids are growing up with a sonic who has nothing going on in his head and is forced to watch reality tv with his family
>>542962013I honestly liked that old pitch bible.
>>542961950How do you think this went when he had to tell his son about it?
>>542961950Sonic X iceberg: This is at the bottom
>>542961717How is this even possible?
Erm japan lore? bad
>>542962085The Adventure series felt more Jap than any other Sonic game.
Wade and Chris are both the product of grooming canonically and this is not debatable
>>542961964The junk around his arm and the straightjacket cape is rad as hell.
>>542962353>How is this even possible?https://youtu.be/IC21keB1yaM
>Chuck spent his childhood raising his son and also becoming a genius inventor and his son eventually became rich and famous and he now mooches off of his son's wealth.
>>542962397How do we make current Sonic Team recreate that?
>>542962550This is actually an epic story
L-Let's hope we never hear about Yuta's family background.
>>542962572Rebooting Sonic as 100% japanese
>>542962550>Chuck impregnated some girl/woman when he was literally just a boy >His son was probably raised by his parents >He was a genius himself but he is not very famous or accomplished during Sonic X>His son grows up and becomes the most important computer scientist on earth and marries a hot blonde>Chuck gets along well with Tails, a little boy who is a geniusdude Chuck had more depth than i realized
When Chuck gets groomed there is a freak out, but when Tails gets groomed its encouragedExplain yourselves
Do any of you read fanfics?
>>542961717>Chris's grandfather was sexually abused as a kid and now he lives off the good karma of his son's riches >Wade's father was sexually abused as a kid and the narrative portrays him as a villain who abandoned Wade at a time when he couldn't have been older than his late teens
>>542962550Teenage years aren't "childhood".
>>542962949you're a victim bro
>>542962949Yes they are, Chuck.
Any other canonical instances of grooming I should know about?
>>542961546u ok?
Tails parents were not present at his birth.
How smart is Chris's dad even supposed to be? Isn't Chuck a supergenius? I thought Chris's dad was just a businessman.
>>542963051>>542963094I had a large beard by the time I was 15, and I worked a physical job.
>>542963404What was he thinking?
Chris’s grandmother is still out there… grooming the streets for prey to satiate her hunger…
>>542963421Anon had to grow up fast to support his family...
>>542963281I imagined the scene like the one with doofensmirthz
Unlike Knuckles, I'm Sonic
>2 instances3 instances
>>542963178Geoffrey groomed both Sally and Elias
>>542963365He's an expert IT specialist and runs the biggest software company on Earth that he apparently founded since it's named after his family.
>listen vocal songs by westcucks>close game
>>542963686No wonder he doesn't know how to be a fucking dad
Kintobor should be good
>>542963657Penders said Geoffrey was only 20, but apparently the timeline within the comic should make Geoffrey a little older.
>>542963914>Penders said Geoffrey was only 20he really couldn't aim lower than that huh
How was X Eggman raised?
>>542963624Mina is a groomer?!
Sonic Origins changed Eggman shades to blue in Sonic 3.Im mad.
Why is Tangle in the Crossworlds tie in comic if she is not in the game?
>>542963986Nta but Why people assume mina groomed tails, instead of both falling in love when they were already adults?In archie tails is 12 while mina had 14/15 years, thats a 2 or 3 years of difference, when you're an actual adult that's the smallest age gap for a couple.
What makes me sad about this franchise is that it clearly wanted to be something greater than what it is now and all the heads of the franchise seem to have given up.
>>542963986She's 16 in the main timeline while Tails is 10, they already know each other long before the timeline splits meaning there is no scenario where adult Mina wasn't already friends with Tails before he grew up and she fucked him.In 25 years later, Tails has a teenage daughter who appears to be identical to Mina in the main timeline. Tails is only 36 in 25 YL. If Mina's daughter is 16, then Tails had her when he was 20, which is sketchy but not illegal or immoral.
Chris' dad is buying TikTok U.S.
>>542964224Why do you think?
Sonic characters for this feel?https://youtu.be/oxDhiX0G8nA
6-7 year difference
>>542963805Sonadow is only good when it's switching or when Shadow is the bottom, and everybody who makes either of the two a cuntboy should die, give them cute cocks or else
>>542964262Define "greater than what it is"
>>542964365Because Sega has no quality control
>>542963834>When Nelson was Chris' age his dad was around 24 years old; before then his dad was going through school and college and then after that probably went out to further pursue his passion for inventing.>Chris' dad literally has no experience with being a proper dad and just treats Chris like how he was raised.DEEPEST FUCKING X LORE
Yuta's teacher
we love new friend tangle
>>542964521If you think about it, almost all of Sonic X's events can be traced to Chris' grandfather getting molested as a child
>>542964262We are literally on our best time as a franchise. With 3 hollywood movies, a lot of merch, and high-scored games, one actually beat mario kart. Literally a bunch of important brands are collaborating with sonic and sega.Even comic fags are getting acknowledged on the game universe.Sonic succes even revived other sega ips with all the dough it made.And people have the audacity to say such a fallacy? Man this fandom is full of whiny bitches.
Shadouge being in-character is part of what makes it so good
>>542964521Sonic X has better writing than I could have ever imagined
Which game introduced humans?
>>542964313I guess the only question that remains was how old was Tails when he and Mina started dating. I would say 18 max unless we're gonna assume they had a kid quickly.
>>542964441of course both should have dicks and I really like the idea of Sonic being attracted to Shadow AND Shadow going along with it
>>542964669>Shadouge being in-characterBut then it wouldn't exist
>>542964521Holy shit>>542964691Sonic 1
>>542964691Sonic the Hedgehog 1 introduces a human by the name of "Doctor Eggman"
Sonic still better than 99% of western media.
Lindsey side of the family probably has its own dark secrets
>>542964521The stories in this thread interest me>Chris's farndfather was raped as a child, but he made the most of it and raised his son into the most successful man on earth. This is why he's so good with Tails, but also why Chris's father has no parenting experience>Wade's father was raped as a teenager, he couldn't handle the pressure and just dumped Wade, allowing him to suffer and even threatening his life eventually, falling into his childhood hobby, Wade becomes an unsuccessful shut in until he denounces his father.
>>542964780That's not a difficult achievement
>>542964559STOP THAT GROOMER
>At the end of the manga, Uuta changes his name to Chuck Thorndyke
We need to talk about the Sonic fangirls excessive coomer problem. They're worse than the fanboys in most cases.
>>542964741Sonic is a narcissist who thinks of himself as handsome, so it logically follows he thinks someone who looks "just like him" is handsome as well. But what's Shadow's motivation to go along with it? Did Eggman hit him with his new Gay Ray™?
>>542964313Tails was twelve in archie not 10, even the wiki got it wrong. Mina was 14.
>>542964780What's the 1%
doesnt chuck disapprove of sam speed who went on a date with amy
>>542965142>even the wiki got it wrongIf it's hosted on fandom.com you shouldn't be surprised. If anything, you should expect it to be wrong.
>>542965095Maybe they shouldn't make the main boys so sexually attractive to human women and it wouldn't be such a problem
>>542965142If Mina was 14 at the end of Archie then she was 12 when Sonic was flirting with her
>>542965256Amy is 12 years old too.
>>542965256He's trying to stop more groomers.
>>542965256Chuck only approves of adult women molesting tween boys, not adult men molesting tween girls. He has standards. A real moral guy.
>>542965105Probably because it feels good to have fans especially in traumatic moments like processing Maria's death. Even though I am gay (in the closet) it still feels really good to have women attracted to me and I often flirt back or do nice things in return
>>542965142Is pretty confusing because in Archie everyone had confusing ages.Tails and amy used to have the same age, but amy used a magic ring to make Herself look like a 15 year teen, thats why they were in the same class on higschool.Sonic used to be 15 and archie made him 17 in the end, it got even worse when sonic got stuck in space for a year for him, but turns out two years passed on mobius, making everyone 2 years older, except for him.
baby hedgehogs are called hogletsmale hedgehogs are called boarsfemale hedgehogs are called sows
>>542960798>Lived in stasis in a space colony before coming to earth. She is Dr. Eggman's cousin, she resembles Maria but is much older....so, can spank or nay? Is she legal?>>542961432Ha. Maybe Maria's the lucky one, she died before seeing what Gerald and Ivo turned into.
"In character" this, "out of character" that. These were once neutral terms, but now it has become meaningless in this forsaken community.
Eggman commits genocide at the end of Chaotix
>>542965142Actually, the wiki lists Preboot Tails as 11.
Sex
only i understand my favorite character
>>542965142Mina wqs 16 at the end preboot what
Why the hell isn't Blade of Courage updated in Grabber Zone? I had to read this work in Comik (RIP) and Mangareader. For that record, Grabber Zone has doujinshis and they didn't even bother translating those.
>>542965142Archie has a timeskip after sa2 that aged up all characters by two years. Mina is 14 in her debut and 16 in the end
>>542965937Modern Maria.
Do you consume non Sonic west media?
>>542966019I think they're waiting for the official translation. Right now, translations of Blade of Courage are from fans.
>>542965657I forgot the age shenanigans on archie. The same happened with Fiona, mighty and ray, all of them were the same age, but the 3 got stuck on a timeloop machine, fiona and mighty could escape but ray got stuck for a lot of time, and when they could save him, years have passed for them, but Ray got stuck on that timeloop staying a child.Charmy was teenager too with 16/years old, was a prince and even had a fiance.
>>542964742Obvious bait
>>542966107Do I read books, watch television, or play videogames?Duh. What kind of question is that, anon?
The last thing we need is for Yuta to become a significant character. Stay in your little manga, dickhead.
>>542966281This is a jap website
>>542966289I think the same when it comes to IDW characters. They need to stay in their comic.
I'm awake. What up my fellow creampedoGODS? Who up creaming they rabbit?
>>542965159Treasure Planet
>>542965937Why did Maria rape Shadow?
Bet you can't list all the classic sonic ports
>>542966367Imada, the mangaka of Blade of Courage, recently listed his favorite plot driven games - and four of those were Western.Don't be an obtuse moron.
>>542966432Too much.You people overuse filters.
MIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
kys minamongoloid
>>542966432Best zone.Change my mind.
>>542963624Tails had sex with mina and came at least two times on her to have their children.Not to mention the countless of times when their relationship was young.
fuck sonic
Touching tails daughter
live minamajesty
>>542966640At least tag the post u baby
>>542966757That fight was incredible, surprising how it came from a sonic movie, remind me of the power of superman vs zod in man of steel.>hollywood can't still make a dragon ball movie right.Geez.
Sonadow is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen and I've been to the Mediterranean and the Caribbean
>>542966757It would be my pleasure
>>542967031You need to get your eyes checked.
Maria's feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TubFFQOwqyc
True characterfagging is becoming a rarity. 90% of fans in the overarching fandom only care about ships now, not the characters themselves.
>>542967368I will reupload this and use it for AI
>tails best relationship was with a town bike who wanted to "settle down" in an alternate reality who ended up getting deleted within its own continuity before being wiped from existence as a wholeThis y'all goat?
>>542967429I ship Sonic the Hedgehog with my cock
>>542967551>Tails best relationshipZooey
>>542954032It’s not just one writer though. Evan can do it, Ian Mutchler (tmosth writer) can do it. Daniel can do it. But Flynn keeps trying to act like it’s a new mandate that Sega is forcing him to do meanwhile Amy in jp crossworlds actually acts like herself by talking shit and wanting to go on dates with Sonic. “Mature Amy” was never actually real, it’s an Ian Flynn farce with him trying to downplay Amy and act like her prior personality didn’t actually exist and there’s no greater example of that than changing her bio in Generations, a game that canonically takes place before the bullshit “development”. Changing her because he thinks Amy is inherently misogynistic as she was before. His take as a male feminist while he talks over tons of biological female sonic fans who enjoyed Amy and even related to her the way she was.
>>542967623Another alternate reality that got wiped from existence yaaaaaaawn
>>542967386I never quite understood the appeal of toe hoe
In your mind's eye, do you see Sonic characters moving more like western toon characters or more rigid like 90's anime.For me it's the later though I can imagine the former.
That theory I heard that the Ancients and the Black Arms are related as a sort of distant cousins makes me wonder if that is the reason why the Dark Chao can look like Shadow. Doubt it is the case, but I'm just curious why these critters can resemble the animal people.
>>542966604Loves her human husband
>>542967429Autistic characterfagging is hard in this fandom for this reason. If you love a character but everyone around you wants said character to be ooc for a ship or something, it feels really bad
>>542967680great musicthe characters have good designs (despite the shitty art)the characters are flat as fuck with 1-2 personality traits, so it's easy to twist them into whatever you need them to bethe gameplay is kinda funkinda like sonic
>>542967802I say it's super evolutionary adaptation at work. The ancients devolved into chao because there were no threats to them. Chaos started reverting to an Ancient and even mutating because of his hostile environment and the effects of the chaos emeralds. Chao extend this by being able to mimic their caretaker's appearance and abilities in some cases
>>542967775Ova. Very snappy. Very confident and bombastic.
>>542963805>cumHow are you not banned?
Shadow has been neglecting his hygiene lately
>>542966130Saffron was a cutie and I wish archie used her more, she was even gonna have an updated redesign. It was pic related.
>>542963834Nigga lookin like Saul Goodman bruh
>pokemon gets canon romance before sonic doesAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>542966602yo mama overuses filters
>>542968531bro your conductor x conductor's wife?
*saliva noises*
>>542968582delicious
>>542968578Platonic marriage
>>542967787I don't like stupid non-sonic sonic shipping garbage like this, it's so divorced from the franchise. The female drawing this probably watched some Korean drama and thought "hmmm but what if Sonadow?" Stupid gay shit like that
dark sonic
>>542967551Mina a town bike? Somic barely interacted with her she tried to kiss him by force and then he rejected her in favor of sally, an actual town bicycle, he flirted with her for a couple of times, but it never happened anything at all.Ash was her only actual boyfriend. A total asshole but mina boyfriend in the present.Tails was a just possible future but funnily enough, the best partner mina ever had, because archie sonic was a manslut, and ash was a total dick douchebag.
>>542968837yeah, it's corny as fuckjust draw them fucking like a normal person
>>542968980Man you know you've been mistreated as a character when tails of all people was your best relationship
>itt we pretend like being a shipper and being a characterfag are at oddsSometimes one leads to another
Shadow is the Numbuh 5 of Sonic. Whenever he's in the lead the series suddenly decides to have stakes and continuity.
>>542968531>ash could have an endgame with serena, because she was the only actual pokegirl who was in love with him>crazy shipperfags of all the pokegirls started to send death treats to the Pokémon company, Nintendo and game freak to make their favorite pokegirl the winner.>All of them are concerned, to not make people mad, ash ends up alone on a Neverending adventure with Pikachu with an open ending.I will never not be mad, ash could win a girl at last and shippers fucked everything.I didn't care which girl won, I just wanted ash to end up with some girl, even the yokai watch dude scored and have children of his own.
>>542969198Pic unrelated?
>>542969198Xdow and XRouge have literally the worst dynamic out of all the Shadouges including Archie and IDW
>>542969198real shadow and rouge characterfags prefer the two with other chars
>>542969471I mean obviously the games have the best dynamic, especially it's actually canon, but rouge still gets a lot of screentime with shadow.
>>542969198Yeah
>>542969558This is correct
>>542969527>real shadow and rougefagsAre you serious?
>>542969471I liked the part where she purposely triggered his maria ptsd over a gem
>>542969527>t. momthrower
>>542969715X Rouge is the second most evil Rouge in the franchise when you really think about it
>>542969096To be fair, future tails was an actual husband material and both became a really solid couple, marriage and family.He loved his family so much he even invented a gizmo so his family couldn't be rewritten whe the timeline got messed up.Future Knuckles was kinda douchey and never wanted to marry Julie-su while future sonic was a manchild who regretted tying the knot with sally because he didn't want the responsibility of being a king until he ended up alone and as a hobo when he "fixed" the timeline.
>>542969715x was unfairly biased towards knuxouge for some fucking reason and always went out of it's way to make shadow look like a complete asshole. Xrouge and game rouge are practically two different people, even sega states this as much in the 06 documents
>>542969743my hero Sonic did WHAT to his mom?!?
It's always obvious when a Shadougefag is itt
Sonic X would have you believe Knuxouge is the most important pairing in this franchise
>>542969896>all non-canonYou people are retarded.
I am going to share a burning take.I think most Twitter users would get banned if they tried posting on sthg because they would not be able to hold a conversation about Sonic without morally judging everyone who disagrees with them.
>>542970024Except this place is 80% twitter users
>>542969932>a ShadougefagIts one schizo who insists its canon, you can tell its him because he says knuxouge was only a thing in sonic x and he hates all content where shadow remembers maria
What are some "tells" that a Shadougefag is around?
>>542969945Xfags are covert shipfags. We've known this for awhile now.>If I can't push my ship I'll just attempt to push media where it's prominent!
>>542970080This place is far too critical of the comics and far too accepting of ships
Can't hooooold
>>542969809At least the latter 2 being paired with Julie-Su and Sally made sense for their characerizations. Mina was just lumped with Tails against Bollers will, and because SOMEONE needed to fill the role, not because it made sense
>>542969945Knuxouge is the most important pairing in the franchise tied with Stangle, this is the sthg consensus
>>542969401Tv show ended because of thatEvery main writer left after XY out of spite SM and SS anime’s were terrible and trying to make up for XYZs endingAnd Ash got kicked off the show, now the new series is risking cancelation due to lack of viewership.
>>542970101>implying it's not just krack falseflagging
>>542970246You want me to believe that Sonurge and Shadally are more popular than Silvaze and Shadouge
ON much longer...
>>542970267The schizo also tends to bring up krack at random, hmmmmm
>>542969603>picbut blaze can just hover until she lands on the ground safely...and before someone points it out i know she's afraid of heights
>>542970246Botted poll. Sonamy and knuxougefags got paranoid and decided to tamper with the results. You could see it happening real time.
>>542969715Based Rouge.She should've pegged him.
anon is actually surprised that sonamy and knuxouge are actually popular pairings
>>542970267Makes sense she joined the thread today after being gone for weeks
>>542948381Underrated
>xhe’s not good enough to pretend to be different posters with different typing styles and grammarNgmi
>ship talk
>>542970352It was the top result 15 mins in keep coping
>>542970352We need a round robin poll like the character poll.
Maybe stop seething? Shadow and Rouge aren't even friends. That's the canon. That's what Sonic Team told you. Why would they lie? Why can't you accept an official statement. Do you deny that Sonic is blue? That he's the wind? Does reality piss you off that much Shadougetard?
>>542970485>ad populum
Should I make an all our ideas poll like we did for the character poll?
>>542970345Be quite, little gay faggot OC
>>542970540He's severely mentally ill and thinks everybody who made the characters he posts are wrong.
>>542970590
About a year ago (likely) krack flooded like 11 threads with shadouge images because she was passed they didn't accept shadaria
>>542970669Are you being serious right now dude
>>542970151Bringing up Knuxouge unprompted.
>>542970669This, for some reason people think she's mentally sane.
About a year ago (likely) krack flooded my bussy
I WILL NEEEEEEEEVER LET GO
>>542967680Literally its just an old ass indie. It survives because it was one of the first, and thrives because fans make all of the content for it from games to animations. Even though the origin is a fucking mid ass bullet hell because if it came out today nobody would care in the same way you never hear anyone bring up Zeroranger or great flying barrel
>>542970669>>542970772samefag
>>542970151Not to sound mean, but it should be pretty obvious.
Everyone who doesn't respect Shadow should step on legos barefoot
It was obviously Shadougeschizo considering everything else he did that day. Trying to drill Shadouge into everyone's brains. He's been doing it for years but only recently got namefag status for it.
>>542970903Erm
>>542970798Yeah touhou has been going since 1996. Its almost as old as sonic at this point, and even though zun makes nothing but bullet hells its reached the point where if you know what anime is you have probably seen one of the two touhou. Other indies can't compete because it established itself before we have the torrent of media we have now
>>542971245>ts almost as old as sonic at this poinyou make it sound like something that happened to touhou
>>542971341I mean its just five years younger, and hes been pushing out bullet hells since with no flops or change in the format that would sink it like we've been through with sonic. Everything else like Luna nights is made by indie developers that want to use the characters and pay zun to use them. Its self sustaining at this point. Its the same thing hololive is trying to do with their vtuber characters by letting others use them for their indie projects
>>542971074Shadougeschizo has actually been a namefag for years, he just went by a different namefag name. He helped ruin Cream's milestone back in 2022 because Rouge lost to her.
Here you go Anons.I built a poll to find the best ship out of 252 different options.Just vote as long as you want this will help find the most accepted shiphttps://pol.is/4bde5jbr9b
>>542971787You can view the results here!https://pol.is/report/r7krmm3cxhvvty4kh6mdm
>>542971528Does this have porn?
>>542972581>Does hololive have pornAnon I..
>>542972609I have no idea what a hololive is.
>>542972745Vtubers. Their popularity is on the same level as touhou with the amount of doujins, animations, and artwork that has been made for them. They also double as idols. Having live performances and producing a large number of original songs and music videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI769CgHfLc
I was thinking. Since Frontiers canonized her, I'm kinda curious what main universe Sticks would be like.
>>542972745>>542972893Inugami Korone is also the current Sonic Ambassador. And she actually loves the series unlike the last ambassador. She straight up streamed Sonic 3 & Knuckles for like 48 hours straight or some shit.
>>542973181>Since Frontiers canonized herAnon... I'm sorry...
>>542971787>>542972368I am sorry anons this poll sucks.Please use this poll and PLEASE for right now submit ships you want to see in the poll for now preferably in the format of A X BAs I continue to repurpose this older poll that was used for Sonic stories.https://allourideas.org/sonicstories^^^We will use this poll to determine the most accepted Sonic Ship.
>>542973446Why is it all sonic x surge or shadow x maria
>>542972893>>542973275...so, any porn of them?>48 hours straightUnfathomably based.
>>542973675Ironically someone spammed Sonurge over and over but the poll is not ready I want you to submit ideas.
>>542973181You mean when Ian tried sneaking her in and Sega yelled at him and killed her even harder
>>542973884hasn't been removed from the game yet.
>>542973752She's basically a celebrity, of course there's porn.also apparently it was ~5 hours for sonic 1, ~12 for sonic 2, and ~10 for sonic 3.
>>542973446Anons please submit ships you want to see added to the poll using the add your idea box at the bottom..
>>542974154no
I can't fucking take it. I fucking love magical girls so much bros.
>>542973181Anon, she's vaulted.>>542974016They removed her in the japanese version.
>>542974279you could at least post an on topic one.
>>542974376I am losing the fucking battle man. I love cute girls so fucking much
>Green Hill Zone X Final Hazard got rejected>Sonic X NiGHTS got acceptedThe nerve
>>542974562Fine I will add it.
>knuxmo that highmaybe /estygee/ isn't so bad after all
sonic x was a mistake
>>542974562>>542974639Added>>542974660It is very early on and polls like these need many entries to give more value to the extremes.
>>542974730where shadamy?
>Cosmo was only in love with Tails because of a mind control lake >Chris was only born because Chuck Thorndyke was raped Sonic X more like no consent X
>>542974730yeah i'm just funposting, it's 5am right now after all
>>542974768It is there. Remember you can add submissions yourself but please check this list first https://allourideas.org/sonicstories/results?all=true
>>542974919>>542974919>>542974919>>542974919
>>542969976Everything is canon. Shadow also doesn't love Rouge.
>>542969976Ariem is officially in Sonic channel, it's canon.
