Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8743 - Starline's Return Edition==NEWS==>Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds - Accolades Trailerhttps://youtu.be/C6BSu_x0gcE>Sonic Rumble arrives this Novemberhttps://x.com/Sonic_Rumble/status/1978491359452364988>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/==Comic Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog: Chaotix's 30th Anniversary - 22 October 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #82 - 19 November 2025Sonic the Hedgehog #83 - 17 DecemberSonic the Hedgehog #84 - 14 January 2026Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds (oneshot) - 28 January 2026Sonic the Hedgehog: Chasing Shadows - Never==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://grabber.zone>SAGEhttp://sagexpo.org/>SHChttp://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ OCs:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive/>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixels:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>543143808
why did Sonic Team turn their back on fun?
I must figure out how to escape this world and go to my husband's side... i need him and he needs me
Sonic the Fucking Hedgehog
Ben Hurst wrote Underground?
>>543179883Does Green Amy mean more Olympics games?
>Le Soon
cute hogs
Tails is the BEST!
>>543180048It's still weird to me, how devoted some people are to this terrible show.
>>543180048yes, the show released in france first but hurst wrote many of the episodes
>>543180098His redesign in reboot archie was so fucking cool. He was actually hot as hell there... bring back the freedom fighters
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>>543180195
Real!
>he diesont like Windnic Kinoground
>>543180242https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kSav0M7DIioFoxes are cute. I'm tempted to buy one in Sea of Thieves.
>>543179396SA1 Eggman directly contradicts the Genesis/Classic games, by being an Eggman that does not flee after his final machine destroyed.
>>543180341Me and my wife
>>543180341
>>543180305my boyfriend :)
>>543180495I cannot wait for Violet to call SA1 bad because of this.
>>543180441
>>543180242I want a little bro like Tails. Sonic is lucky
>>543180495That's not a contradiction, that's an evolution.
Underground is Randomfox approved
>>543180495This is a stupid post. It's not contradictory, and he is later shown to have gotten away from that.
>>543180668
>>543180856because you scare everyone off and attack them. we can't have a community with you here. Look at this general, it's a ghost town. You've run off everyone who wants to talk about Sonic because they're not talking about it the exact way you want it. So there's no discussion. We used to have regulars here who would dig into the lore. You didn't like it and told them it was spam. people tried to discuss gameplay. you didn't like it and said it was nitpicking. Now someone is trying to read the creator's old interviews and you don't like it. You don't like anything about Sonic. i don't even know why you're here. Sometimes I think you've never played any of these games and just collect fanart to spam on here.
>>543180082The new deal specifically states no software just merch
surge's character has been raped by fans using the concept of tsunderes
>>543180953Surely you responded to the wrong post
>>543181015>surge's character has been rapedGood, that's what she deserves.
>>543180884the way kit is drawn here is oddI'd still make out with him though
>>543180495He stays in the Death Egg Robot in Sonic 2
>>543180953Spammy is some redditard who thinks he 'owns' this general. It is very sad.
What are your thoughts on them and what went so wrong?
>>543181169OH NO NO NO NO ANON BTFO
>>543181371Nothing went wrong with them, they just aren't used enough.
Douge
>>543179992Why I was gonna ask how they have a TV on Angel Island but then I remembered there's an entire resort and more there.
So I learned that Sonic R, where you explore the track as much as you race, is called an "arcade racing" game.
Do any of the Surgefags in this fandon like her IDW depiction?
>>543181456Cute N Canon!
>>543181531You should have titled this Surge
>>543181531sonic?
>>543181728it describes surge
>>543181530https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn2eZ_9sE80
>>543181806>>543181706
Has AI become too powerful?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54d7M0GyCv0
>>543181924It's become too racist
>>543181876>start video>weird AI voiceHa, right, Youtube's auto-dubbing.
>>543180757It's a thematic subversion and contradictory to Eggmans actions in the previous games up to that point; and the amount of people who died to this subversion is a testament to how subversive the moment was for Sonic as a franchise (and I mean that as a compliment). >>543180856If Sonic characters are a rock solid as many people say, then Eggman trying to kamekazi Sonic is contradictory to his more self-preservation focused actions of the earlier games.Almost every mainline Classic Sonic game ends with Eggman running away after his final or next to final machine blows up, SA1 subverts that. Its not a bad thing, but it is a contradictory creative decision in service of a cool gameplay moment.
>>543181924Muzzle should be furred. But it's scary enough.Will I be able to exit from this world and live in VR heaven as a cute blobian soon?
Sonic but Twin Peaks
>>543182079There is no contradiction. Eggman attacks Sonic. Eggman survives.
>>543182267The fuck does silver know about women
>>543182121Do you have someone you want to see AI'ed into reality?
you all hated her because she kissed sonic and you didn't
>>543182439
>>543181924Yes
>>543182510i don't hate her i self insert as her
>>543182509Kit, Nicole, Blaze.But it'd hurt them if they found out they were AI clones and not the real deal.
>>543181169>>543181380He didn't really have a choice in that situation, and its not like Eggman personally detonated the Death Egg as a final fuck you to Sonic.It's notable that the Death Egg Robo's successor in S3&K is like a nesting doll of several escape pods in case something like S2 happens again.
Blaze will appear in the movies but they'll pair her up with S*lver. It hasn't happened but I'm already angry.
>>543182726I meant for videos.
Nicky Mouse
>>543180671>Tails used to try to mimic everything Sonic did>But because of muh character development he's gotta run off and turn into Gear or some shyt
>>543182979>>543183176It was a mistake to kill off the OG Diamond Cutters, but at least it led to fun fanworks that don't have to worry about a "canon characterization" like this.
>>543181132white women and furry creatures name a more iconic duo
>>543183359>character is a zombie/skinwalker that looks like a horrifying monster without makeup>but is the nicest person aroundkino trope actually
>>543182510Amy Rose could NEVER
>>543182664that was probably her purpose. but sonic team forgot it was a BOYS franchise for one game.I am not implying something gay
>>543182267>Knuckles is an architect>Conductor has a fat wife>Now Silver is an architectHow many men in this franchise like fat bitches?
>>543183356>>Tails used to try to mimic everything Sonic didIt's kind of weird how they decided to bring this trait back for Crossworlds(one of his intro poses is exactly like Sonic's) but it feels OOC because of how he's been portrayed for the last 15 years
>>543183370See I don't mind them dying but maybe they should've had them as a group we know and see in the comics for a few issues initially so when Mimic betrays and gets them killed it has more impact then just being a backstory detail of Whispers.
>>543183671Sonic was bvilt for white women you wouldn't understand
>>543183671well sonic was meant to appeal to women too if you watch the GDC panel with the original creators, he's for everyonehe is mainly marketed towards boys that much is true. but i like that there are parts for women too
>>543183520If Starline comes back they'll probably use that for the Diamond Cutters.
>>543183356Iizuka doesn’t care about anyone besides Shadow
What would you do if you encountered this?
>>543184084*licks
>>543184084imagine the smell.
Korone is probably done with Sonic since she failed to market crossworlds
>>543184394Vtubers are a dead trend anyways
>>543183959>>543184182
>>543182510But I don't want to fuck Sonic, I want to fuck Amy.
>>543181924what's the point of Hollywood anymore lmfao
sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppysloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppysloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy sloppy
Blaze and Silver in the movies would just be a retread of Knuckles and Shadow again
What colour do you think Zeena's nipples/areola are?
Mimic is a master of the Acorn Family school of martial arts.
>>543185023yellow
>>543185085He kicked others in the nadsuuhhhuhuhuhuh uuhuhuhuhuh
>>543185023Dark green, pink, or yellow.
>>543184551>lust provoking>babies>so that we would all talk about how craAAAAzy that is 10/10 bait
>>543185117Cause of her lips/eyelids, I always figured that was makeup instead of natural colour though now I'm questioning if her nails are naturally pink since her horn is in which case what nail art is she even doing with them then?
Kissing a preboot mobian on the cheek and telling him that I love him deeply and will betray humanity for him if he protects me
>Being labelled a woman-hater for thinking a year of Amy would suck assAnd here I thought that weirdo on X comparing Blaze to Captain Marvel was annoying. Now Amy is turned to Captain Marvel-tier and I have to deal with this. Fuck all of you.>MUH JAPANA-I don't like that Amy either. I don't like Amy. I hate her character archetype and having to deal with furries obsessed with a waifu fantasy.Hope Year of Amy flops, because I fucking hate all of you.
>>543184954>Blaze being Sonic's friend>Silver beating up everyone to kill the Iblis triggerIt's what they should have done in 06
I think Sonic is a really cool character
Shadally Sonurge
>>543184473They get views just not for SonicHololive pretty much is telling her it’s her career or Sonic
Year of Metal never. He will remain a jobber, an attack dog, but never a proud wolf.
I want to break Sonic's spine so he can't run from me anymore.
>>543185617If he’s cool, then wrap him up in a scarf and hug him, you heartless bastard! He’s freezing!
>>543185805He doesn't need one because he's perfect the way he is
>>543185750It was a doomed endeavor, Japs do not like Sonic.
>Year of Amy
>>543182851>Sonic gets a win after years of fuckups but it's carried by Jim Carrey >Tails is confirmed but he's immediately upstaged by Knuckles >Knuckles gets his own show and he's sidelined for Wade of all people >Shadow gets confirmed but Gerald brought into present day just so Jim Carrey can clown twice as hard>Metal Sonic is in and he's immediately blown out by Amy>If Blaze gets in, she'll be tied to Silver because Paramount has the rights to 06 but not RushFucking monkey's paw franchise. This is hilarious.
Year of Deadly Six please
>>543185805Where's the Emperor?
It's his turn
>>543182510Her and Chris justified all the hate that classic/SatAMfags had for humans in sonic games, and now we can't even have humans in the settings they used to occupy, that returned for a goddamn kart racer
>>543182079>It's a thematic subversion and contradictory to Eggmans actions in the previous gamesNo it isn't. What action does it contradict? Him fleeing when defeated? He did that in SA1 as well. So he contradicts himself in the very same game? It's an evolution. He tried to kill Sonic a billion times, nothing worked, he tried his ultimate weapon, it got destroyed, all he had left to destroy Sonic was the wreckage of the weapon itself. Him trying something new is in no way a contradiction. There is no thematic subversion either, what theme are you even talking about?
>>543183201Hmm, I want to see Wave and Jet arguing.
>Princess Acorn data... has been copied.Funny how this only happens to girls in IDW.
>>543183356Tails mimicking everything Sonic did was cool when it meant Sonic Team could just have his gameplay mimic Sonic's, and not pull some random bullshit out of their ass
Does Sonic Twitter officially have worse discussion about the comics than /sthg/?
I'm doing some theory crafting autism this weekend. Give me your thoughts>Have a boost meter that auto fills over time. There is no boost. Renamed burst>Basic is speed form. Can run up walls/do tricks/etc>Running at top speed and doing tricks builds up burst meter faster like in sonic rush>You can use this meter to change into flight or power form. Your meter drains overtime while in either form>Flight gets directional air dashes that deplete the meter and a hover/glide>Power form gets moveset similar to the 2d boost games. Allowing you to kick to the floor and slide, and stronger attacks/more defense, but you are heavier and reach top speed slower with a slightly lower cap speed>If burst meter runs out you revert back to speed and have to build it up again>Moving at top speed auto kills enemies on collision that aren't spikedThat's the premise, but I can see its flawed in several ways. What are your thoughts?
>>543186628It's weird because only girl OCs are heroes, but the writers don't want them on par with the game cast, so they are constantly getting their asses beat. Basically reinforcing the ideas they want to subvert. As with all things leftist promote.
>>543186448I mean...I'm not that hung up on a lack of humans unless they are sexy woman in which case yeah more please. Though I'm of a neutral stance since I'm fine if they are there but I also don't have any demand for them and would rather have the cartoon animals, supernatural beings and aliens/monsters suppose.
>>543186763He's 100% right. This is the most factually correct thing ever posted on twitter regarding Sonic. You can't have a twitter conversation about ANYTHING. It's all shit.
>>543185085Is this panel the only time we see his lower body?
maybe if idw actually kept everyone in character instead of trying to harken back to non canon media that ian is nostalgic for the discourse would be better?Nobody gets mad at Evan for how she writes Amy because she keeps Amy in character. It's that simple
>>543186763This is just comic book discourse in general
>>543186802>gameplay discussion in sthglol
>Nicky? Nicky ParLOSER???>AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
>>543185495Considering how year of shadow went, it'd be an addon to an old game's re-release and a bunch of merch none of you fags could afford. Being playable in 3&K and frontiers with a spin dash is the best sega could do
>>543186763>random teenagerYou mean random 30 year old autist
>brings back Metal JobberFuck Sonic Triple Trouble and Knuckles' Chaotix
>>543187137I know, but you guys are gonna be the most knowledgeable, and also the most honest since you're all anonymous. I don't have anything against other sites, but they tend to form into hugbox faggot communities that can't be brutally honest because of fear of downvotes
>>543187218kek
>>543187298With the ammount of shitposting and circlejerk, I doubt people here can help you much either.
Windfags are teenagers?
>>543186763This is proof that windchads won and comic faggots can't get away with pretending their shit is quality.
>>543187483Obviously, they never played the games on launch and universally have a false impression of all the characters and games
>>543187529Is SATAM Windnic?
>>543187483Teenagers weren't even alive for the wind games.
>>543187529
>>543187483
>>543187529Windfags have successfully made it impossible to talk positively about IDW anywhere on the entire internet I don't know why this is considered a good thing. IDW has its flaws but it isn't a total rape of the franchise. The movies are FAR more ooc.
>>543185587lady and the tramp
>>543187529>shit all over the room and everyone leaves>"i-i-i won!"
>>543187483No.
>brings back Metal GODderLove Sonic Triple Trouble and Knuckles' Chaotix
>>543187529Why are windchads so much better behaved?
>>543186802Sounds cool, but is this all just for Sonic? The form changes make me think of something like Heroes
>>543187652Did the windchads also make it impossible to talk positively about Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric?
>>543187467That's just generals in general. Even if nobody has any thoughts that's fine too. https://youtu.be/NaieqbRA8gE
My hot take is that windfags are a PROBLEM for IDW. IF the writers are scared to write their own actual IDEAS out of fear of wild autists screeching at them then what is the point? Are they just here to repeat character beats from SA2 and SATBK over and over again? Is that what you fucking want? No new sides or interpretations to the characters? Just a constant reminder that Sonic is the wind?
Windfags being literal zoomers and teens makes so much sense. They talk the same obnoxious way. Know-it-alls who actually know nothing.
>>543187529Can we really credit windchads and not the Flynn cultists?
>>543187652It's because the movies don't claim to be a part of the game universeThat said>made it impossible to talk positivelyI don't like this either
>>543187885The point is to keep the characters in-character. That should not be a problem against "new ideas".
>>543187819Yeah. If it was just sonic, but with the heroes format. I'm trying to think of a way to fix it into 2d space like the classic games, and also not make stopping and switching forms a requirement like it was in that gameWOW LOOK AT ALL THOSE EGGMAN ROBOTS
>>543186763>>543187529If you hate this you think the Sonic canon should be changed by the comics.
>>543187298I would recommend going to the /agdg/ for actual gaming advice
Sonic characters for this feel?
Notice it is socially acceptable to like the movies. Maybe because they have a wide audience and were well received and did not try to claim to be better than canon
>>543188018It sounds cool but I guess I would have to see/experience it in action to comment on it further
>>543188054>/agdg/ >gaming advicelmao. That place is worse than here. Its just crabs in a bucket. I'm not working on anything anyways
>>543187885>Are they just here to repeat character beats from SA2 and SATBK over and over againLet's be real. The fanbase would be okay with that over touching 06 or any meta era game ideas ever again
>>543187885people want to see sonic the hedgehog in a sonic comic, yes. make a new IP and call it something like alvin the anteater if you want to write a whole new character.
>>543187967You are both everything wrong with Sonic
>>543187989Don't talk sense to comicfags, they just like to play the victim all the time.
*glomps u*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMzx-iT5arI
>>543188270We want a comic called Sonic the Hedgehog to be about Sonic the Hedgehog. The fact that the Restoration was ever a concept proved the creators had no intention of making that.
>>543187290Teenagers are extremely defensive about IDW. 30 year olds are more likely to write it off as bad and stop talking about it.
>>543187579Sonic is the wind, even in SatAM. To preempt the common arguments.>B-But what about the Freedom Fighters?The "freedom fighter" group doesn't undermine the wind, it's just the status quo of the setting. It's no different than the resistance in Forces. SatAMnic is still playful, an inspiration, and does what he wants. He still wanders Mobius on his own plenty.>B-but what about SallyHe doesn't pursue Sally. They're best friends who kiss. He's not tied down. His protectiveness is always shown to be justified suspicion or fears of Antoine's incompetence, not just jealousy.>B-But what about him crying over Uncle Chuck?We see Sonic get just as angry and distressed in Lost World at the very idea of it happening to Tails. It's perfectly in character for him to be vulnerable when those close to him are at risk. SatAM is windpilled.>>543187652The difference is that IDW pretends to be canon to the games.The movies don't. It's its own continuity and its tolerable since the revenue is used to promote the games. IDW does fuck all for Sonic Team's revenue and it should NOT be canon.>>543187714More like we flooded the enemy's air waves with our propaganda, total victory. Cultural W. Faggots destroyed.
>>543188475It IS canon and that is the problem.
>>543188465I don't think you realize what fanbase you are talking about. Autistic 30 year olds don't respect other people's opinions.
>>543187652The movies have been extremely well received and are much better written than the comics.There is nothing as egregious as the Restoration in IDW and the Lanolin equivalent is an antagonist like she should be.
Man, this place is full of pretentious assholes.
>>543188686This place is more accepting of others' opinions than Twitter and full of autistic 30 year olds.
>>543188408but chadow is the new main character
>>543188465>Autistic 40 years oldGod, to think I will end up like these vermin in a decade or two. What am I doing with my life?
>>543187652>PEOPLE DISAGREEING WITH ME MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO TALK ABOUTboo fucking hoo grow a spine
>>543188795>This place is more accepting of others' opinions than TwitterYou can't be serious.
>>543188795>This place is more accepting of others' opinions than Twitter
>>543188475We did not do anything you indoctrinated cuck, it was the Xitter algorithm promoting bandwagoning and ragebait.You also cannot discuss Frontiers there without a riot breaking out.
>>543188876There's a difference between disagreeing with someone and insisting that no one should be allowed to enjoy something
Praying for the day one of the other windfags decides to dunk on Violet so we never have to hear this bullshit again
>>543188925No it absolutely is. If you think otherwise you have not been on Twitter
>>543188795>>This place is more accepting of others' opinions than Twitter
>>543188928>>543188925Twitter arbitrarily suppresses certain ships./sthg/ doesn't.Here, we can proudly declare our love for superior and kino ships such as Sontails.
>>543188846you're consuming enough tik tok aurafarming edits
>>543189009I already do that, Violet lies a lot.
>>543189009Why are you defending IDW cuck?
Fuck it. What is your favorite edgelord nonsense associated with this franchise?
>>543189125*you're not
If you call it Fleetway instead of StC you are a non fan.
>>543188928Actually yes, Twitter tries to shame and bandwagon. Trying to censor opinions actually gets you dogged on now.
>>543186876Lol, Surge isn't a hero. She started a forest fire and caused a citywide black.
I really like the Shadow Gens version of Westopolis.
Looks like the twitter tourists got offended today.
>>543188976okay. there are people in this thread shitting on what I like with strawmans and I don't care. you need to stop letting that shit affect your ability to express your opinion.
>>543189256I love everything about infinite
>>543189147>Violet lies a lotLies about what?Sparky's latest post about Tails and Amy was more or less a total capitulation to my view of the characters, he just uses a different labelling system than I do "kid Sonic" and "Girl Sonic" instead of "Male Amy" and "Girl Tails". It's the same fundamental understanding of them as the same archetype but separated by gender and one being more in touch with passion and emotions and the other being more technically inclined and reserved. Sparky and I have the exact same understanding of these characters, he's just pissed off at the fact that I devils advocated against Amy's early game depictions as poorly written and requiring retcons and headcanons to course correct. He's upset that I called him out on wanting to vault Cream. He fears that my understanding of the series rivals his own.The only ways in which we seriously differ is that he's intent on viewing Tails as strictly a 'little brother' and denying the possibility of any pairing between Sonic and Tails despite the characters' creators humoring such a pairing.
>>543188837That would still be good but this comic wants to be about its own characters
>>543189432This, you have to become immune to agendaposters and counter with your own agenda.
>>543189432I don't. I'm not even thinking of IDW in particular, by the way. I just find that behavior annoying and stupid. They want to silence and shame people into not expressing their thoughts, and I will call it out for what it is. They're not superior when they claim their preferences are objective fact, they're just stupid, and that needs to be remembered
Found in google images. I'm sad he doesn't get enough fan art, he looks cool. I hate this is AI.
>>543189551I never understood why he considers Blaze core cast when she is off in another dimension.
I do not care if IDW fans like the comic but they are so smug about it.I like this show but I do not act like its writing should be a template for the series.
Windcucks don't even believe their own drivel.
>>543189551>Sparky and I have the exact same understanding of these characters,No, we don't. The core of what I was saying is that Tails and Amy are polar opposites, you say Tails and Amy are the same. I say Amy is Girl Sonic. You say Amy is Girl Tails. We are not speaking the same language here at all.
scribbles random krack please save us from violet please .
>>543187652My IDW should have never called itself "canon", for one. I'm really supposed to believe the garbage that goes on in that comic is taking place in my game universe? Fuck that.
>>543189804I remember Pariah saying the Prime writers should replace Flynn. Then again, I stopped watching Pariah around the time he made that video, his Colors video was a walking cliche.
>>543189124>SontailsA man of culture, I see.
>>543189551>Lies about what?More or less everything. You insert subtle lies in most of your posts.
>>543189551>He's upset that I called him out on wanting to vault Cream.I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WANTING TO "VAULT" CREAM. EVER. >>543189706I see Blaze as the best fit for what a 5th core character should be, not that she literally already is. Blaze is Nega Sonic, Sonic's foil, stuff like that in ways that is the next logical choice after Amy and Knuckles.
You guys are boring. Your Sonic takes are boring and filled with hypocrisy.
"Sonic wouldn't say/do that" became the most pulverizing criticism in the fandom.
>>543189804Exactly. IDW fans act like the comic is peak fiction when it's mid at best. They get pissy when you point out the mandates are not holding it back or the boring writing, then turn around and say stuff like "ackshually bad sales are fine." You can enjoy slop, just don't demand that we do too.
>>543190061Cream fits better in the narrative.
>>543190061I was about to say I was pretty sure you've never wanted Cream to be removed, but I waited for you to point it out. This is exactly what I mean by subtle lies. He often hides small but important lies in his posts, for whatever reason. I don't even mind most of the things he says, but then there are some weird things he subtly lies about or pushes, it's dishonest.
>>543189691I have come to learn that when people say others are claiming something as "objective fact" they just mean that person is speaking in a passionate and emotional way. you should know and assume everything that comes out of a person's mouth is their opinion no matter how emotional or sure of themselves they sound about it. I guaran-fucking-tee you have talked that way about the things you dislike as well, it's just human to express yourself passionately. you are unironically the person you claim to hate and are silencing and shaming people for expressing their emotions.
I want a boyfriend who also wants to fuck Sonic the Hedgehog
>>543190156Especilaly in fanart. If you're making self serious fanart and a characterfag calls it ooc that is worse than being called a slur in this fandom. It's a new way of completely robbing someone of their worth.
>>543190115You can identify Twitter tourists by them complaining about usual discourse on /sthg/ and making strong negative statements about the community in general.
>>543189804IDWfags are smug because they believe they're canon and are actually part of the vision of the franchise unlike the other continuities. Every day they wait for their OCs to appear in a mainline game because they expect it. Not hope for it. EXPECT it.
>>543189872You kind of do. I have had conversations with you for eons. You two are way more similar than someone like say AAR who disregards archetypes and roles in favour of whatever suits the narrative she is writing.
>>543188876Actually its bad if people can't talk about a comic without some raging autist whining that the characters aren't acting the same way they did in a videogame released 20 years ago
>>543189872You yourself state it.>Tails can do what Sonic does and more since the moment they met. Amy had to work her butt off to reach the same level of capability.>Amy is like the living embodiment of Sonic's own Heart, while Tails constantly suffered from a lack of self-confidence and inner strength.>Tails and Amy directly parallel each other the same way Sonic and Blaze do. They exist in balance with one another, and Sonic is what draws the two together. But >Sonic aside, Tails and Amy are likely to get along very well yet inversely likely to not gel well at all at the same time.>Tails and Amy are inherently "Cute" and nice at their core. But with Tails being very analytical while Amy is very emotional, they are heavily likely to clash a lot.You might not want to 'literally vault' Cream but you've definitely articulated that her presence takes away from Amy being 'cute in the past and don't want her to be a core member of the cast like she is as of Dream Team and would rather have Blaze be relevant instead of Cream despite Cream's superior popularity and kawaii factor.
>>543190490>it's bad when people express their opinionhypocrite
>>543190557>it's bad when people express their opinionLike a condescending asshole, yes.
Hot take of the day. The series writing sucks on a conceptual level.
>>543190206The core of what I always say about Cream is simply that she is Kid Amy / Girl Tails. She is to Amy, as Amy is to Sonic. Tails, Amy, Knuckles and Blaze are all specifically 'Sonic's blank" at their core. Cream is not defined by Sonic, so she doesn't fit in the core cast.Now, if you look at me saying this and somehow conclude that I don't like Cream or want her to be "vaulted" or whatever, YOU ARE CRAZY. I WANT -EVERYONE- SHOWING UP!!! EVERYONEThey just gotta be organized and balanced correctly, so it makes sense. The "core cast" should be Sonic and his most immediate connections that are each defined by him in particular, in different ways. Cream not only has no direct link back to him, but any link she DOES have combined with her own core concept means that she overlaps with Tails, and Amy. Cream on Team Rose with Amy is natural. Cream with Amy on Team Sonic does not work right because at least one of them will be written terribly, because there should only be one girl there whose the embodiment of sweetness or whatever. Amy and Cream can both be sugary sweet and cute on the "Team Rose" team where Amy is the main character. But when Amy is a side character to Sonic, an extension of Amy expanding that theme does not balance right, especially when the other half of Cream is being another Tails. So then, Cream is not only another cute girl, but another cute "kid sibling" who can basically do what Tails does aside from tech stuff. Which itself means if you wanna distinguish Tails and Cream, then you'd hyperfocus on Tails' intelligence and downplay the actual core of his personality and what he does. Cream fits best on Team Rose where Amy is the lead character and Cream is her sidekick. Or, if Cream is leading her own story centered around herself in general. Just having her as one of the main cast on Team Sonic alongside the core 4 does not balance correctly. The same applies to Rouge, she should not be on "Team Sonic" either at all.
>>543190729Who cares about tact? You are on 4chan!
>>543190781"On a conceptual level" sounds like buzzwords. Just say it sucks.
A lot of the negative discourse surrounding IDW would magically disappear if there was an official statement saying IDW is NOT canon to the games.
>>543190729IDW faggots and tumblrinas need to be put in their place.WIND is superior. WIND will prevail.If they don't wanna get dunk on, they should try playing the games and becoming REAL Sonic the Hedgehog fans instead of fans of a sissified western slop comic that'll go bankrupt sooner than later.
Bun!
imagine the speed at which windfags would lock on to jeff fowler if the moviers were ever called canon
>>543190923Finally, a good post.
>>543190821I was mostly speaking generally, outside this site, but sure.>>543190906That smug attitude can't hide how lonely you are.
>>543190819>Cream on Team Rose with Amy is natural. Cream with Amy on Team Sonic does not work right because at least one of them will be written terribly,This is the one thing I cannot agree with you on because Cream is this trope now https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TagalongKidTails is this trope now https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuyYou are fixated on roles that no longer apply to the current canon.Blaze and Shadow both serve their roles as this trope.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SixthRangerIn fact them being so insanely popular cements this.
>>543190729like I said grow a spinepeople who disagree with you get dunked on no matter how politely they conduct themselves and now you wanna preach that the issue is people not being nice enough and it couldn't possibly also be people on your side's fault
>>543191068Cream is going to grow up severely socially and emotionally stunted and sister-zoned by would-be boyfriends
>>543179884I want Robotnik to rape Sonic
>Goku>Superman>Spider-manare these characters the wind?
We need to talk about Fiona.
>>543191168I think both sides are smug eyesores, so I don't even know which side I'm supposed to be.
>>543190282I have done that in the past, and not as a joke, at times I would actually be convinced of it, and I have many times talked to other people who were also similarly convinced that their preferences are or should be treated as objective fact. I have since stopped because I realized it's stupid. I think it was about 5 or 6 years ago that I realized, and I've started to avoid that type of language or instinctual reactions since. It is stupid and destructive behavior. I understand why people do it, I just think it's negative and counterproductive. Other people have different perspectives and thus reasons to enjoy things I or you might not enjoy. You can't and shouldn't try to change this. It's their own enjoyment, and that is okay. You don't gain anything by trying to invade and destroy positive discussions, you just create a worse environment for everyone. People look for other fans to have real discussions with, or people who have honest talking points even if they don't like the media in question, and that type of response is counterproductive, and also a bad time for everyone involved. You can express your negative opinion on something without trying to put others down for disagreeing with you. Learn to agree to disagree
>>543189849he threw erazor djinn into a pit of lava btw
>>543185587>explaining the joke
>>543190995They would have to kneel because the movies are highly successful.IDW has the added problem of not being super successful.
>>543190819Your entire argument boils down to this master plan where you get to shove Cream in a narrative locker so you can finally make your SonAmy fanfiction real. It's so transparent it's painful.You're trying to jam this square peg of "cute adventurous girl" into the round hole that is Amy Rose, a character who has never been that. You're so desperate to make your ship work that you have to flanderize Amy into this embodiment of sweetness, completely ignoring that she's just Girl Tails.Amy has fears. Amy doubts herself. Her entire arc in the Adventure games is learning to be brave and stand on her own two feet, inspired by Sonic. Just like Tails. She's defined by her connection to Sonic, not by some innate adventurous spirit. That's Cream's entire deal. Cream is the one who actually loves adventure for its own sake, not just as a way to chase hedgehog cock.You sit here and claim Cream "dilutes" Amy's character. What character? The one you're actively trying to steal from Cream and staple onto Amy? You want to give Amy Cream's personality because Amy has nothing outside of her Sonic obsession in your eyes, you flat out admit that her entire premise is her love for Sonic and nothing else. You're not trying to "balance the cast," you're trying to gut a perfectly good character so you can wear her personality like a skin suit for your precious pink waifu.It's pathetic. Get your head out of your shipping fantasies. Cream doesn't need to be less important in Sonic centric stories just because you can't handle that Amy is a fangirl who mirrors Tails' development, not Sonic's free spirit.
>>543190465Stop saying she and I are similar, dude. >>543190494>You might not want to 'literally vault' Cream but you've definitely articulated that her presence takes away from Amy being 'cute in the past and don't want her to be a core member of the cast like she is as of Dream Team and would rather have Blaze be relevant instead of Cream despite Cream's superior popularity and kawaii factor.I do not have anything against Cream. I would not have an important character in my project be "Sundae" as a major character if I didn't like Cream.What I always say is that Cream does not fit in the Core4. Tails is Kid-Sonic. Amy is Girl-Sonic. Knuckles is Anti-Sonic. The most logical additions are Blaze and even Jet, who are also defined by Sonic. Cream is not defined by Sonic. Cream is Amy's equivalent to Tails. That puts her outside of that core circle. She branches out, like Rouge. Sonic -> Amy -> CreamSonic -> Knuckles -> RougeCream and Rouge do not fit in the core 4, as part of the main cast, by this reason. Dream Team is fine, because it balances it as Team Sonic (STK) and Team Rose ("Proto" Team Rose, at least). I honestly love the idea of Amy, Cream and Rouge being "Team Rose". Plus Big, he has to be there too, but that's beside the point. But the main point with this is how these characters should be organized. I have my own large cast of characters in my project very systematically organized in accordance to who they should primarily be aligned with. In like, two separate ways. Forcing Cream to be a core character on the same level as Tails and Amy directly overlaps with, and thus conflicts with, Tails and Amy. Because with the focus on SONIC himself, having Amy, Tails and Cream all together WILL cause overlap because Cream is "Amy's Tails". She follows Amy's themes of being the cute sweet girl, as a kid sibling sidekick like Tails with a similar personality to him. It's a different story from Cream being on Amy's team away from Sonic.
>>543186754exactly
>>543191419>Jeff using all of his Fowler Power to keep Rouge out of the movies
>>543189849Okay, I’ll bite the Twitterfag bait.>Sonic doesn’t kill ChaosThere was no need to. He didn’t kill anybody in the present.>Teams up with Shadow, who was trying to kill him not even an hour ago Why wouldn’t he team up with Shadow? The Earth was going to be destroyed.>spares Metal SonicHe wasn’t a threat at that point.>that random nonsense regarding Black KnightSince when did people praise Black Knight because Sonic killed anyone? What the fuck does this have to do with your “argument”?
>>543191428>Your entire argument boils down to this master plan where you get to shove Cream in a narrative locker so you can finally make your SonAmy fanfiction realCREAM MAKES SONAMY MORE LIKELY! SHE PUSHES THE ROMANCE BECAUSE SHE LOVES IT!
>>543191149Tails was always the smart tagalong kid.
>>543189849How exactly you killl a robot?
>>543191365She smells.
I'm not remotely interested in arguing with people on Sonic the Hedgehog General. I will never be made to do it.
>>543191531>Cream is not defined by Sonic. Cream is Amy's equivalent to Tails. That puts her outside of that core circle. She branches out, like Rouge. Bro should read that Sonic Channel sorry about the two of them. She also was inspired by Sonic to be a hero.
>>543191774Wanna kiss?
>>543191856thought you'd never ask.
Characters acting contrary to what's established for them isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially if it's done well. And even if it isn't done well, it can at least lead to some memorable moments, which in a series like this, is all that matters.
This is still more healthy discussion than what you get on Twitter. No one is calling anyone else morally deficient because of a disagreement about this franchise
>>543191149>This is the one thing I cannot agree with you on because Cream is this trope now >https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TagalongKid>>Tails is this trope now >https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSmartGuyThis is part of the problem. Half of Tails' character removed or ignored because of Cream soaking it up. It's not like Tails became Nightwing so Cream be a new younger Robin. Because we ALL know Tails has NOT reached that level yet, himself. There's at least one guy here who'd argue that Cream is better than Tails in that regard, or something like that. Tails and Cream are the same character role for Sonic & Amy. So having both together will cause overlap, if that's not properly balanced. If Cream was more different from Tails, it'd be fine. But my one criticism of Cream on her own is that she's just too much of what you'd expect "Amy's Tails" to be like, to the point that she's largely more like "Girl Tails" than even Amy is as "Girl Sonic". The most obvious thing about Cream is that she's a little girl whose very sweet. The other sides of her, like being so strictly disciplined with her politeness and her more calm and collected mindset in-contrast to Amy's hyper-enthusiasm are more subtle traits that aren't as noticed. I would suggest that Cream should be even "cooler" or "colder" to contrast both Amy and Tails, but that's impossible now that Sage exists to literally be that.
>>543191531Sparky, you're so blinded by your headcanon you can't see what's right in the games. You call Amy a "cheerleader" and a "mood-maker"? For whom? Her entire character is being a lovey-dovey fangirl who overwhelms Sonic with her devotion. She has more in common with Tails than Sonic, someone inspired by the wind but not of the wind.It's sad how you have to call me a liar because your simplistic take on Amy falls apart under the slightest scrutiny.And here's the hypocrisy. You want to shelve Cream, a character who is genuinely adventurous and kind, just so you can steal her personality and staple it onto Amy. Amy has no character outside of Sonic in your eyes. Cream is everything you Sonamyfags wish Amy was, and you seethe because you know it's true. She is cute and funny.Your paranoia over the idea of her resulting in Amy being more feisty to contrast her results in your desire to vault her away from stories with Sonic and Amy. Since you fear Amy being characterized with more depth and for her angry feisty self to shine. Because you want your pristine pretty pink waifu to be a flawless sex symbol. Pathetic.
You people are too quick to remove praise from Flynn!
It's unfortunate that twitter is where all the sonic artists seem to be. I want to get art, but do I want to go to twitter?
Sega betrayed PC fags with SADX after the kino ports of CD, 2 and 3&K
I want more wolf boys in sonic
>>543192092>Half of Tails' character removed or ignored because of Cream soaking it up. That happened after his development in SA2. He no longer became the tagalong kid and Cream filled that role. Now he is the Smart Guy.
Nothing starts until you take action.
>>543186763>release dialogue and narrative-based medium that officials insist is directly connected to another>people point out how it's completely disconnected with that other several times>ishowspeedretardedmemeface.gifjp purists kinda have a point i think
>>543192120That guy is a Snyderdrone. Not the best defense for Flynn, you know.
>>543192148there's also good old deviantart
All the worst posters come from twitter tho.
https://poal.me/6f77mz
Do you believe this?
>>543191428>Your entire argument boils down to this master plan where you get to shove Cream in a narrative locker so you can finally make your SonAmy fanfiction real.I do not understand what the train of thought here is. What is the correlation between "Cream" and "Sonamy" in your head? And why do you specify "Sonamy fanfiction"? Why do you believe I myself am fixated on writing "Sonamy fanfiction" in the first place? What would Cream have anything to do that, at all!?Why would I want Cream shoved in a narrative locker!? What in the world are you talking about!? What is wrong with you!?>>543191428>You're trying to jam this square peg of "cute adventurous girl" into the round hole that is Amy Rose, a character who has never been that. You're so desperate to make your ship work that you have to flanderize Amy into this embodiment of sweetness, completely ignoring that she's just Girl Tails.And now you're going into the kind of tone where you're just angrily trying to argue against me using all sorts of stupid nonsense that you KNOW FOR A FACT is not true. That's what always frustrates me about you and the things you post. That's like what that other guy here is saying about you spreading lies all over your posts. I hate lies. I hate how much you lie all the time. And then turn around and somehow try and blame me for acting crazy with how I respond, as if you aren't blatantly lying to my face about the things I'm saying to you.
>>543192191That's a jackal, you dingus.
>>543192120It's actually the opposite. Whenever he fucks something up (most of the time), it's "SEGA's fault" (mandates, etc. "just let him cook"). Whenever something isn't that bad they say "apologize now haters heh see we're peak now franchise saved" or whatever. He's done this shit his entire career btw.
It was Sonic Cringeball Party that brought back Metal Cucknic.
>>543192102>Your paranoia over the idea of her resulting in Amy being more feisty to contrast her results in your desire to vault her away from stories with Sonic and Amy. Since you fear Amy being characterized with more depth and for her angry feisty self to shine. Because you want your pristine pretty pink waifu to be a flawless sex symbol. Pathetic.I want Amy to be feisty. I want her to be this trope.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer
>>543191627Is that Cream? She's cute.
>>543192416I no longer believe this since I don't see such those weirdos bringing up "the leash" anymore.
>>543192416Why didn't Toyoda mind controlling Ian to avoid bad writing always?
>>543191390then pick if you want and embrace your innate tribalism.>>543191398people try to invade and destroy "negative" discussions too and I simply think you are viewing this from too biased a perspective. yes, I am biased too, but in the opposite direction. people take criticism as a personal attack and try to shut it down, I have been ostracized and silenced from communities for not liking flynn. no I never said no one could like IDW or archie I just expressed why I hated those things.having a nice discussion would be neat and all I guess but I can't stand being preached at by the "positive" crowd when they do that exact same shit to me.
>>543192416Fl*nn's cult twisting the narrative when everyone knows that this is just what THEY do but in reverse. The guy spent his entire career conditioning his followers to shift any mistake of his towards his employer and the infamous made up mandates.
>>543192416>writting
>>543192378Fang and the Fang Gang
>>543192416Toyota wrote Forces, disregarded
>>543192593Toyoda isn't that much better of a writer to begin with. You simply view a little IC and then sing praises and then forget about it.I know this because you people pull this shit with Blade of Courage.
>>543192550Yes >>543192576That person blocked me because I pointed out that mainline IDW is where he has the greatest creative control and it is where his most hated work is.
>>543192416
>>543191820>Bro should read that Sonic Channel sorry about the two of them.I have. It only proves that Cream is literally just Girl Tails, at her core. The article after the story goes on to describe how she's the little sister character. Forcing Cream into the core cast is only gonna overlap with Tails in this regard, and you'd have to jump through hoops to do what the OK KO crossover did where Sonic had to distinguish Tails as his best friend from Cream as his "little buddy" when in the grand scheme of things, it's the same dynamic because Tails and Cream are both little siblings with a lot of potential that Sonic will encourage and inspire.
>>543192704Who drew these?
>>543192436Same family you pedantic faggot. By the way, Infinite is based
>>543192609I don't think that's good either, I simply didn't comment on that because it wasn't part of the discussion. I agree that forced "positivity" isn't good, I don't want people to be silenced for their opinions, whether positive or negative
>>543192609>I have been ostracized and silenced from communities for not liking flynn.What exactly did you say? >>543192704BB blocked you for that?
>>543192705
>>543192883Gumidess blocked me for that. The person in this post.>>543192416
>>543192545Amy is not Sonic's Lancer, Slashy. >>543192102>ou call Amy a "cheerleader" and a "mood-maker"? For whom? Her entire character is being a lovey-dovey fangirl who overwhelms Sonic with her devotion. She has more in common with Tails than Sonic, someone inspired by the wind but not of the wind.>It's sad how you have to call me a liar because your simplistic take on Amy falls apart under the slightest scrutiny.>And here's the hypocrisy. You want to shelve Cream, a character who is genuinely adventurous and kind, just so you can steal her personality and staple it onto Amy. Amy has no character outside of Sonic in your eyes. Cream is everything you Sonamyfags wish Amy was, and you seethe because you know it's true. She is cute and funny.>Your paranoia over the idea of her resulting in Amy being more feisty to contrast her results in your desire to vault her away from stories with Sonic and Amy. Since you fear Amy being characterized with more depth and for her angry feisty self to shine. Because you want your pristine pretty pink waifu to be a flawless sex symbol. Pathetic.This entire post is going way off topic from what I was even saying in the post you're responding to. Now you're projecting a ton of stuff onto me and arguing against things not relevant to the post, just because of how much you hate Amy for no reason but will pretend isn't the case.
>>543192593oh nonono...
>>543192848You whipper-snappers standards for "based, peak" are so low.
>>543192432Sparky, Sparky, Sparky. You IDIOT. I only brought up the ships you like because you wouldn't stop CONSTANTLY BASHING ME FOR THE SHIPS I LIKE IN OUR ARGUMENTS.It's payback, Sparky, and just desserts for the one who refuses to fight fair. You say that I'm disingenuous yet you resort to Ad Hominem, needless mentions of ships, and calling me 'disingenuous' rather than engaging with what I actually say. Dismissing me as a mere 'liar' rather than accepting that I merely have a different framework for analyzing the franchise than you.I'd be happy to DROP THIS BEEF, but you KEEP IT GOING, you shittalk me in THE GODDAMN THREAD all the FUCKING TIME. I'm okay with us having different opinions about Sonic. You're the one whose obsessed with this idea that just because I disagree with you, I'm lying. I can't tell if this is social ineptitude, autism, or some other disingenuous take born out of HATRED for my competing view of the series.I do not wish to be your enemy, Sparky. This war does not have to escalate. But if you don't back off from constantly shitting on me and my opinions on the thread, rather than merely calmly stating your own and behaving like a gentleman, I shall be forced to escalate this conflict between us to new heights.We can do this the friendly easy way or the hard way, which'll it be?
How would you implement another enemy sonic oc in a mainline sonic game without them becoming infinite, silver or mephilles? You can't retread the plot of sa2 with shadowPersonally I would bring back gun making questionable decisions but they haven't been relevant for 20 years
>>543192696Toyoda wrote the Japanese script of Forces, not Forces itself>>543192416No, but I think there is some truth hiding in that strawman
>>543192902I'm pretty sure Vanilla could beat Clutch considering how much of a fraud that Possum is
>>543192964She would make a great lancer, Sparky alongside Tails.
>>543192703Hey, you’re not allowed to be right.
I wish this boy was allowed to be cool again like you wouldn't believe. This franchise doesn't deserve him.
>>543192964>>543193030I praise you all the time to Violet Sparky. This fighting is weird desu
>>543193057Probably the best way to do it is to add someone who plays off of sonic and wants to one up him because they both have the exact same personality. They team up to stop a threat, and then we end the game with them having a race to settle the score between them, but we never get the answer on who wins
>>543193159>Vanilla could beat [Insert Character Here]
>>543193239I sincerely wonder if Tails has the Gohan syndrome where his fanboys pretend he is cooler than he actually is. I geniunely do not get the devotion this fox boy has.
>>543193239He is the most powerful character in the franchise though. We determined this last night when we realized he is all of the freedom fighers' strengths rolled into one character.
>>543193239Ever think how they dedicated a whole game just to say how much he fucking sucks?
>>543191419Imagine if the movies adapted surge and kit
>me omw to scream at Shadowfags again
Without Tails the Sonic porn economy suffers
>>543193057Scourge?
>>543192883talking about bumblekast clips I disagreed with, various moments in IDW I thought were badly written and how sonic's characterization and smarmy tone makes him unlikable. honestly there's a lot of things it's impossible to list. they made it a rule to not talk bad about flynn writing because people in the group were mostly flynn fans and it apparently made them uncomfortable. positive discussion on flynn was still allowed though, they didn't stop that from happening.I would often talk with someone on there who liked IDW actually and never attacked him but I guess that isn't enough. being polite is never enough. they just wanted me to shut up at the end of the day.
>>543193357Tails and Gohan are cool
>>543193503Anon you really think scourge the edgehog belongs in a mainline sonic game?
>>543193057I'd have it either be a sea animal forcing Sonic to have to see what goes on in the oceans due to his plans starting to affect the surface or a gila monster who's an absolute physical juggernaut that contrasts Sonic by having similar personal freedom beliefs but his are at the complete expense of others since he's more you don't deserve it if I'm able to claim it
Where's Anti Fiona?
>>543193057How is reverting GUN back to its SA2 not just a retread of SA2? You can only do the GUN truck so many times.Also, ST already has implemented another enemy faction.
Tails is just the best ^-^
>>543193351This has nothing to do with Vanilla secretly being powerful since that would be lame/cliche and just to do with Clutch is so utterly pathetic as a villain that a civilian mother could make him eat the curb.
>>543193597Yes I do, he’s sexy.
>>543193057Starline is unironically perfect, someone who became obsessed with eggman who isn't redeemableBreezie could have been neat in a more story focused game or VN where she's using legal tactics to fuck you over.Zavok isn't a bad idea in theory, his design is just too out of place and the rest of the zeti hold him down.
How do you feel about Silver being the leader of Team Dimensions instead of Blaze?
What kind of game would they even make for Tails? Base building? Metroidvania again? A 3D puzzle game, something like portal?
>>543193747GUN and Shadow are two different entities
>>543193747Introduce a new commander. Maria the whatever. Have eggman whispering in his ear that yes this is how you ensure the peace and prosperity of the not united states by collecting the mcguffins, and then its obviously a knuckles situation where eggman tricked them>>543193668>>543193331I like this better than mines. Having a rival that is your protagonists beliefs, but twisted into another angle is pretty cool.
Stop reminding me how they completely fumbled Clutch.
>>543193583I think i recognize you. Maybe they thought you were overbearing about the topic and thought you weren't fun to talk with? I remember when, in another Discord server, we were following this manga but some people were always whinny about it, wishing it to die to an umpleasant level, and couldn't just relax. It's a comic, you don't have to buy it or reading, and being a doomer about a goat wizard you don't like is not a pleasing experience with folks.
>>543189849Notice how none the examples prior to Surge come without a fight or with any hypocritical Reddit text wall on Sonic's side to coerce them into agreeing with him. People need to learn that his reaction to things is more reactionary than anything.There is a difference between giving someone blinded by bad emotions a shot and seriously trying to argue in Egg fucking man's favor
>>543193890this is a boys franchise
>>543193890Blaze is more fit to lead
>>543193030I get frustrated with the things you say that are blatantly untrue. Your ships are a key factor in what you believe to be true. You seem to ship EVERYTHING, which then means that any sort of relationship between any two characters, or any one character in regards to whoever else you're comparing them with, is going to be extremely heavily biased.Look at absolutely everything you say about Amy, and the tangents you just went on about Amy in response to whatever I was saying in the post being replied to. And how much of that seems to be targeted against the idea of a Sonamy shipper, or anyone defending Amy in particular and saying "Amy is not that, what you REALLY want is Cream". And any arguments against that only making you respond with "OH, so you want Cream to be vaulted" like that one tweet about pancakes and waffles. The vast majority of what I see you post is either shipping nonsense or talking about SatAM or whatever. And Sonic being "best friends who kiss" with whoever is something you seem to think fits in-line with "the wind", and I've seen you use that exact phrasing for Sonic and Cream once. You seem to REALLY love Sonails, and thus it can't be any coincidence that you fail to tell the difference between Amy and Tails' roles at all. Let alone personalities. "Oh, Tails likes tech stuff, Amy likes girly stuff, but they're otherwise the same just gender-" no they're absolutely not. Amy isn't Tails, and Tails isn't Amy. Anyways, overall, whatever I say about you is a response to what you have shown me. And all I have seen only perpetuates the idea of how disingenuous you can be. If you say you aren't, then you must lack self-awareness. Sometimes, you also sound very condescending to me, especially when you try and frame the things I say about Amy to be "headcanon" or "fanfiction" WHEN YOU KNOW DARN WELL I'M GOING BY WHAT OFFICIAL CANON MEDIA SAYS. You've admitted to ignoring official material, in that regard.
>>543193953I know the fandom hates mammoth but i actually liked the guy's game. He knows he can't beat sonic, so he's playing the long con.
>>543194015You never get angry at me Sparky despite also believing Cream should be core cast.
>>543193898I conceptually like both his gameplay styles in Adventure games and I wish to see them expanded and improved, so I would go for a mix of those
>>543193898Metroidvania. I just like platformers more
>>543193953Unironically he would've been better if he was just Royalton from the Speed Racer movie
>>543193890Team Dimensions is not a thing, it only exists in Crosswords because they need to label Silver and Blaze something. Ergo, that team has no leader.
>>543194004see >>543194003
>>543193890Blaze may lend wisdom Silver has always called the shots and led.
Could any of the Sonic characters survive in Warhammer 40k's universe?
Dr finitevus and Scourge and Fiona are good villains. The egg bosses/simps are good antagonists even if they're just "eggman's robot masters"
>>543194130Ok then vault all of them see if I care
>>543194015
>>543192696Why do you keep saying this even after people constantly tell you Goya wrote Forces?
>>543193503Does Scourge come with his anti dimension too?
>>543194143Mobians would be a significant faction in opposition to chaos and humanity.Eggman could legitimately wipe out a large part of the universe if sonic wasn't around or was busy.
>>543193776Yeah!
>>543194256Because it’s a troll.
>>543193885I know the nintendo contract gave us colors, but the zeti unironically don't belong in sonic. Lost world copying nintendos format doomed us to these bad designs, and I don't think any of them should have been there in the first place or stuck around after
>>543194037I did too. A crime boss is always a fun idea but they fucking ruined it for the new comic. Mogul still had more dignity being “beat” more than Clutch. There is no way to recover him at this point.
You are all teenagers
>>543193959I don't agree with this general bias against any sort of negative discussion, all it does is discourage actual discussion happening beyond saying your blorbo is cute.having arguments and discourse makes me feel alive and shouldn't be shied away from. just because you personally don't enjoy it doesn't mean other people don't. people are different and enjoy different types of conversation yet you favor only one side.no one would say I'm overbearing if I put all my energy into meaningless fluff like saying my blorbo is cute.
>>543194256They’re literally both credited
>>543194143Depends on how Chaos energy interacts with Chaos energy.
>>543194256Because that's a half truth. Goya wrote Forces; Toyoda wrote Episode Shadow.Toyoda is the reason Infinite is a whinner mad because his off-screen buddies died to Shadow and he decided to sacrifice his humanity over a petty grudge, and Toyoda wrote the "I AM NOT WEAK" line, turning Infinite from a "what a fumble" villain to "lmao what a loser".
>>543193916GUN and Shadow came from the same game and share a function as joint antagonists of that game.
>>543194015Sparky-kun, why are you so mean...
>>543189335>Shadow isn’t a hero he tried to destroy the world>Silver, Knuckles, and Blaze aren’t heroes they tried to kill Sonic
>>543194476Who even cares. He's a shitty character regardless and got vaulted before Zavok and Orbot and Cubot.
>>543194476I'M NOT WEAK>Gets dumpstered by an oc>Isn't even the final boss of the game>Gets the shadow special anytime he tries to pretend he's relevantlmao
>>543193163Amy is "The Heart". Not the Lancer.The Lancer would be Blaze, really. But -really-...It's easy to say: Tails = Smart GuyAmy = HeartKnuckles = Big GuyBut the truth of the Five Man Band thing is that "The Smart Guy" and "The Big Guy" do not have any actual link to "The Leader". The Heart and the Lancer typically do, because their roles are personality/character-focused. But the Smart one and the Big one only exist to be smart and strong, which often ends up overshadowing any personality they'd otherwise have.Look at what happens to Tails and Knuckles. Tails is "The Smart Guy" so 99% of his character sometimes is just the brain dumping all the exposition. Knuckles is "The Big Guy", so its easy for any writing trap of focusing purely on being a meat head tough guy like what happened with Boom, or whatever else. It's why I specify their roles as Kid-Sonic and Anti-Sonic. Because yes, Tails has an IQ of 400 and Knuckles IS AS STRONG AS SAITAMA, ANYTHING LESS IS -WRONG-. But if you focus purely on those abilities as their defining character trait, you easily lose sight of who they are.The Lancer alone is "The Hero's Foil". Anyone designed to be "Sonic's Blank" could be argued to fill that space in some way, because naturally they will contrast Sonic. Blaze, in this regard, is -the- Lancer character because her entire thing as "Nega-Sonic" is to be a perfect Foil. But the reality is that Tails, Amy and Knuckles are all designed to pair with Sonic in distinct ways, and Blaze just combines all three into one.
>>543194497No? GUN is a villain to all the playable characters. GUN is against Shadow. They introduced them as a third faction so they could have enemies for both the Hero and Dark side stories
>>543194365Actually the Nintendo exclusivity deal was only for the Wii U. The games released under this deal were Lost World, Rise of Lyric and the 2014 Winter Olympics game. Colors was made before the deal and it was originally gonna be the Wii version of Generations
>>543194505>the only other true hero besides Sonic
Reminder Toyoda wrote his backstory.
>>543194505Silver, Knuckles and Blaze were all trying to save the world/do their jobs. Surge just did terrorism for the love of the game.
Look /sthg/, I'm breeding windfags
They need to bring back subtle racial friction between humans/blobians in the series. Microaggressions and all. It added depth and intrigue to the series. It's the one great idea ken penders had.
>>543194680how exactly do windfags feel about this ship anyways?
>>543193952Yeah I think Scourge and Shadow have tapped into being an opposite of Sonic while reflecting his design or matching his powerset so I'd have the next major villain physically and powerset wise utterly opposite him but instead have a perversion of Sonic's value and personality. Like this Gila guy wouldn't get pissed about Sonic getting in his way, he'd love that he finally has someone that can challenge him and make him strain,sweat or bleed in a fight since that makes it more fun. For lack of better comparison if Sonic is the wind then this guy would be the mountain it howls against or an earthquake passing through without care of what it devastates.
>>543194759>ken penders>great ideasNo.
>>543194648How about that. Always assumed colors was part of it. Well that's neat.
>>543194652There's also Cream I guess>>543194476Yeah it's weird how this general tries to defend Toyoda by saying he only wrote the Episode Shadow DLC, as if Episode Shadow's writing wasn't mocked to hell and back when it came out
>>543194143Outside of Sonic and Shadow I'm pretty sure everyone dies. Eggman would be seen as heretical by the empire and he'd never accept joining the Mechanicus so they would most likely annihilate him. (Mechanicus does NOT like having competition.) Any mobians would be seen as xenos and would, at best, be enslaved and at worst have their souls be used to fuel chaos warp drives.Shadow would most likely be hunted down until the ends of the galaxy by basically every faction, Sonic would have to be world hopping every few years. Silver would literally get mindraped by demons made out of the meta-physical manifestation of guro and corpse fucking the moment he tried to use his telekinesis in that universe.
>>543194476Infinite was always supposed to be a chuni tryhard. It's in his theme song.
I'm not weak!
Hello, /sthg/!!
>>543194824Eggman would flee in the Warp and join the Dark Mechanicus.
>>543194464Toyoda is only credited for the Japanese script. The Forces script was written in Japanese, re-written into English and then re-written again in Japanese.
>>543194051I'm tired of talking with either of you about Cream sometimes, because of how much it feels like I have to also clarify I do not have anything against Cream herself. I'm just being very logical about how these characters should be balanced. Emotionally, I understand wanting Cream to be in the spotlight with the rest of the major characters. I experienced that era where Cream basically used as that second girl. I'm just pointing out the flaw in that execution, and why it ultimately doesn't work like that.
>>543194842"Infinite was always supposed to be some lunatic"Cool, it doesn't make him any better.
>>543194879Silver was originally going to say bullshit
>>543194759What type of microaggressions would humans have against mobians and vice versa?
>>543194975That’s dumb. Sonic Team is dumb. Holy shit this franchise never had a chance
What was Shadow doing for six months?
>>543194037Honestly the idea of a Sonic character being a prehistoric animal should be revisited again. Mammoth Mogul was very Vandal Savage esque mixed with Kingpin which is part of what made him cool so doing something like an anthro dinosaur who was frozen and just in utter culture shock of a civilised world that doesn't have a survival of the fittest kill or be killed mindset could be cool.
>>543192497It was even like this way back in Archie too. If you didn’t like the reboot, blame Penders or the editor. Flynn can do no wrong in his fanboys’ eyes.
>>543194253>>543194501>>543194787I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just saying my perspective on the matter.
>>543194975>written in Japanese, re-written into English and then re-written again in JapaneseWhat does it take for Sega to stop having fucktarded scriptwriting systems?
>>543194759Currently, Sonic's World is depicted as a segregated society, with Humans and Blobians living exclusively on different parts of shared planet.Two Worlds was a better solution to rectifying ST recent desire further explore Blobian society; but Dark Age/Archiefags wouldn't have it.
>>543194317<3>>543194476Proof? I used to think so too since people always say that, but I found Toyoda saying that he's never written the story of a Sonic game and that he would like to https://nitter.poast.org/E_Toyoda39/status/1733834580501966922Then I noticed how the credits of the game are structured, Toyoda is credited for the Japanese script like Pontac and Graff. Goya is credited as "Writers, Story and Script", Toyoda is credited as "Writers, Japanese Story and Script", Pontac and Graff are credited as "Writers, English Story and Script". Toyoda's credit is equivalent to that of Pontac and GraffIf you have proof that Toyoda wrote Episode Shadow I'll take it, but as far as I can tell that's not the case
>>543194993You're just upset when Amy is not characterized as the "cute one" despite her personality never just being "being cute". You're the one who is OBSESSED with this idea that amy HAS to be X rather than accepting that her existing alongside Cream while her feisty personality is accentuated is a GOOD THINGPeople like FEISTY AMYThat's what most people complaining about Amy being OOC missYou just like Amy being flanderized into a cute girl because you want your pristine pretty pink wiafu to be ultra kawaii for sonic-kun, you disingenuous bully.
>>543195015That's not what chuni means
>>543194680N-NO I CAN FEEL MYSELF WINDOFYONGNRIGHT NOW.... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME???THATS OUT OF CHARACTER SHADOW WOULD NEVER FEEL SEXUALLY INTIMIDATED HE WOULD JUST SCOWL AT THE WOMEN
>>543194168Mordred Hood, Conquering Storm and Akhult were my absolute fave Egg Bosses. Also yeah Dr Finitevus was an absolute top tier baddie, apparently he was meant to get some spotlight again if the reboot didn't happen.
>>543195071That's literally not Sonic Team's fault; you can see that Nakamura is obviously frustrated by that shit.
>>543195221Stop jumping to conclusion about me.
>>543194626Sure, but making GUN the enemy again is just a retread of SA2 when the series has moved on from that, just like it moved on from Shadow being a villain.
>>543195205I'm going to illegally immigrate to the islands.
>>543190923
>>543195054But /sthg/ told me Sega didn't care about Silver 's characterization
>>543195205IDW has the mobians seen plenty in human places makes it nonsensical
>>543194842Also this. That was always meant to be his character. The inconsistency between the base game and Episode Shadow is Infinite's origin, in the base game he is created by Eggman, in Episode Shadow and the prequel comic he's some guy that started working with Eggman. The game, the comic, and Mania are also inconsistent about the Phantom Ruby in the same way, Forces says Eggman made the Phantom Ruby, everything else says it came from Angel Island in the Classic dimension>>543195015I think Infinite is a cool villain, being an arrogant loser is part of his character, the story just isn't very good
>>543195273Then who’s telling them to do that? Why would SEGA add a pointless step that adds time?
>Driving out in the country>See this by the roadwut do?
>>543195205>but Dark Age/Archiefags wouldn't have it.Because the lore wasn't like that for most of Sonic's existence, dumbass. The games didn't even enforce that. If you didn't see one interview with Iizuka, nobody would have even known about Two-Worlds.
>>543195326Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.You started this rhetoric. You don't get to be upset when I use the same tactics against you that you constantly use to INSULT ME AND CALL ME A LIAR AND SHIPPOISONED!GrrrrStop being a bully, Sparky-kun!!!!
https://files.catbox.moe/xdej78.mp4 Shadamy
>>543195491Tickle their feet
>>543194675She was brainwashed
windfags are easy to bait but their entire existence functions as bait for idwfags
>>543195491i would feed her chips
So basically >Makoto Goya came up with the original story for Forces in Japanese>Pontaff make the English script used in the final game based off Goya's original story. Webber was also involved in this I guess>Toyoda then translates Pontaff's script into Japanrse with modifications, and that's used in the JP versionIs that it?
>>543194821I don't think Toyoda wrote that, but regardless, does a writer's track record need to be 100% perfect to be considered good or preferable? Usually people who say Toyoda is the best writer currently working on the series tend to consider Forces an unfortunate exception
>>543195491Why is that deer smiling at me so smugly?
>>543195221Amy and Cream are Girl Sonic and Girl Tails. Amy is hot headed and passionate. Cream is very super polite and much more reasonable.Both are super cute, compassionate, loving, kind, nice people who are very friendly with pure hearts. If either Amy or Cream -alone- is specified as "the cute one" between the two, there is a problem. If Amy alone is just the cute and pure one and Cream has half her character flanderized, that' just as bad as when it happens to Amy. Cream is Amy's Tails, so she has to follow Amy's own themes and concepts. But what has actually happened is that these overlapping traits led to either one being written out of character to make the other work, which itself is a result of not understanding -either- character all. If Amy is being written to be far more aggressive and temperamental and violent than she's supposed to be, then chances are Cream is also being flanderized to be even more of a cute innocent adorable little baby girl or whatever, and losing her own character traits in the process.
>ZAVOK IS TRENDING >ZAVOK IS TRENDING >ZAVOK IS TRENDING FUCK EVERYTHING
Kill idw fagsKill wind fags
Do you think the sonic team learned anything about writting a plot for different games at the same time after Forces?
>>543195481>>543195147Lingering fallout from 06 and lingering affection for Pontaff "saving" them with Colors. They want control over the overall scenario writing but think only Gaijin know what the West wants, then they think with enough Jap tweaks to that Gaijin writing, they can finally make the home country love him.
>>543195205I think the way it's supposed to be is:>a few humans live among blobians>a few blobians live among humansIt's not so much discrete segregation, but it's obvious one society is made for one type of people and not others. Sort of like how when you go to china/japan everything is smaller and blobians probably don't have many doctors or stores that specialize in human needs.You could probably move to some random blobian island if you can secure a visa, employment, but you'll always feel out of place and miss out on any cultural references. Unless you're one of those hardcore post-humanists who abandon the human flesh for metal or bioengineered meat
>>543195473
Tails is for_________
>>543195724
>>543195839Procreation.
>>543195604I will now buy Sonic Chronicles 2
>>543195463This wouldn't be a problem with Two Worlds. If it was in place, Sega could encourage the writers to create new names for Blobian locations. But really location names and iconography is just haphazard fanservice employed by IDW that, unfortunately, is only really noticed by the type of fan that will be agitated by their misuses.
>>543195603You accuse me of using "tactics" like I'm going out of my way to try do anything to you or whatever.I am very upfront with exactly how I feel and what i think about things. I try to be as genuine as possible. I do not want any misunderstandings, nor do I pretend to be someone I'm not. You, on the other hand, only appear to go out of you way to play a character or whatever. This very post just feels super fake, and trying way too hard to play a victim.
what would Sonic do if I copped a feel of his ass
Post Shade NOW
>>543195839hugs and compliments
>>543195839the trash can
Two worlds is stupid and disgraces SA1 and SA2, the two best settings in the series.
THERE WAS NO "PROBLEM" WITH AMYS CHARACTER, SHE WAS CUTE, SILLY, FUNNY, AND CHARMING, HER WANTING TO DATE SONIC WAS A GOOD RUNNING GAG (literally) AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO STOP DOING IT OTHER THAN SOME FUCKING FEMINIST OR JEW OR BOTH WHO NEVER EVEN PLAYED THE GAMES COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND COULDNT ACCEPT THAT NOT ALL ART EXISTS FOR THEM SO THEY DESTROYED SOMETHING I CARE ABOUT.I WANT AMY TO BE OBSESSED WITH SONICI WANT SONIC TO RUN AWAY FROM HER BECAUSE HE THINKS SHES ANNOYINGI WANT IT TO BE A FUN RUNNING GAG LIKE IT WAS BEFOREI DONT GIVE A FUCKING FUCK ABOUT ((((CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT))))) FUCK THAT SHITGENOCIDE ARCHIEFAGS, GENOCIDE IDWFAGS, GENOCIDE SAT-AMFAGS, GENOCIDE (((CONSULTING))) FIRMS, GENOCIDE (((ETHICS DEPARTMENTS))), AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NUKE ISRAEL.
>>543195205Those signs aren't indicative of segregation. It's just a generic shape for people of all kinds. Not everyone has that same ear shape either>>543195672That seems to be the case, yeah. I still don't know how reliable those leaked scripts are, and "AW" being Aaron Webber is just an assumption, but it's possible. If the leaked scripts are true it also means they translated them back and forth multiple times as welliirc some unused/Episode Shadow lines also made it into the prequel comic, or vice versa. I don't know what's up with that, but I assume they came from the game writers first, and were sent to Ian Flynn later
The use of that "Eggchad" image and calling me "Sparky-kun" is only making me wonder if Eggman is involved, but that's just being paranoid. I am sure that Violet and the Eggman guy are not at all related in any way.
>>543196045Duofag won
>>543195473I genuinely feel Infinite is perfect to be a recurring villain since he has enough to flesh him out in future appearances, has a top tier design and to salvage from Forces DLC crippling his character.
>>543195976
>>543195481Probably SoA. They were the ones who told them to stop doing character themes.
>>543195724Trending just means something that wasn't being mentioned is now appearing more often. Literally anything can be trending because it's not a popularity metric but a percentage one
>>543195710Are you KIDDING ME?! This is the stupidest thing I've ever read, it makes me so mad!"Girl Sonic and Girl Tails"? Amy is NOTHING like Sonic! She's the complete opposite! All she wants is for Sonic to stop and settle down with her.And don't even get me started on Cream. Cream is what you wish Amy was. She's an actual girl who loves adventure.Stop making things up! You don't get it, you don't get Sonic, and you DEFINITELY don't get Amy!
>>543195365Original anon, but really I like the designs of the Gun mechs and the other boss mechs from that era, and I'm sad they don't appear anymore. I'm tired of Egg pawns. We could have a contrast between Big Foots and eggmans designs https://youtu.be/F-DGqMXCtCU
>>543195941Wasn’t the problem with that is they didn’t even show travel between worlds?
>>543195565The Modern games did enforce it as Blobians outside of Sonic's friend/rival group didn't exist.
>>543196045You eat pop corns when you're depressed too?
>>543196042I agree. I always thought SA 1 and 2 were the connecting links between the classic 2d era and the modern boost era so its bizzare to have "classic dimention" be a thing.
>>543196045Israel has done nothing wrong.
>Sonic Chronicles>Shade pulls you (Sonic) aside during the climax to apologize for her actions and gives you a chance to tell your opinion of her>Not Knuckles who she beat up and kidnapped>Not Amy who has been antagonizing her the entire game>SonicWhat is it with this guy
>>543196069I've also heard Flynn was going to be involved in Forces at some point but for some reason they decided to go with Pontaff again. That's just speculation realm though>>543195839Pure love
>>543196184>Amy is NOTHING like Sonic! She's the complete opposite! All she wants is for Sonic to stop and settle down with her.You hate Amy Rose.>And don't even get me started on Cream. Cream is what you wish Amy was.You hate Amy, and want Cream to replace her. You wrote this whole post under some sort of strange tactic against me out of whatever you believe I did to you or whatever, but these are consistent with what you have said in the past repeatedly. You do not like Amy, and you want Cream to replace her.
every D6 member should get a year
>>543192696Better than the crap in IDW and that's saying a lot.
>>543196042I always found it hilarious how serious some autistic people on here would take that shit. I wish I took screenshots of some of the discussions I saw on this place about it.
>>543196374Hedgehog rizz
>>543195724Based, Zavok is cool
>>543196280I love pop corn no matter my emotional state, i like them without butter and extra salty. But i try not to eat them too often because my dad had the gout pretty often when i was a kid and i dont want to happen to me.
>>543194993Yeah but you are not emotional or angry or chewing out my opinions.Is it because I praise you constantly outside of your takes on Cream?
>>543196153>Since Sonic Generations in 2011, I held back on including vocal tracks at the request of our overseas officesWhy does Sega of America hate image songs so much?
>>543196374>What is it with this guySonic is the only person who matters.I fucking hate the way this series treats Sonic
>>543196463No, it’s not
>>543195839Love, obviously <3
>>543196372Kill yourself kike
Surge if she was real
>>543196558Me too
>>543196234>The Modern games did enforce it as Blobians outside of Sonic's friend/rival group didn't existThe Meta-Era didn't have any other characters besides Sonic and his friends, and Eggman. Not to mention, 3 out of 4 of them took place in space, outside time/space or on a new planet for the majority of the plot.
>>543196672How did you find video of Sparky?
>>543196427Sparky-kun, you idiot! I love Amy Rose and this is slander! If I hated Amy Rose, I wouldn't go out of my way to incorporate her into my works. I wouldn't bother writing fanfiction about her. I wouldn't commission art of her.You.Are.Stupid.I want both Amy and Cream to co-exist! Stop lying about me! Liar! Liar! Liar!You're so mean! I hate it! I hate how you lie about me! It's so rude! I just want to be friends with you but you're so mean to me all the time and always shittalk me like a big jerky bully! >:(Maybe if you stopped being such a jerky werky I'd commission you again but you care more about insulting, demeaning, and LYING ABOUT MEgrrrr
>>543194621The trope image for Five Man Band has an image from Sonic Boom on it.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveManBand
>>543196672>he shit himself in the last frameDamn, that dude almost died
>>543196195Seriously. I'd rather we went back to the gammas and the like than have the fucking egg pawns, but sadly we've moved on from that era of designshttps://youtu.be/CyWCpFFovw0
>>543196827>SparkyI loled
>>543196301It took me years to realize, but the Classic dimension existing doesn't mean the classics don't happen in both dimensions. That issue is exclusive to two worlds. And at this point I suspect what Sonic Team was actually going for was three worlds, disregarding the old one from the original games. See Unleashed and Forces having two completely different planets, both of which are different from what came before and neither have the established institutions (like GUN)I'm glad things are finally back to normal, but it's hard to ignore that those two games were designed to take place on completely different worlds not just from one another but also anything else in the series
>>543196542You and Violet are two different people. My first impression of Violet was not at all a good one, and as time has gone on, things have only Speed Highway'd from there. Sometimes she seems nice. Sometimes she seems pretend nice, but actually condescendingly fake in that niceness. Other times, she's actually openly extremely disingenuous in how she responds and what she says. She's a mix of caring about canon and the wind to some degree, and then also oversaturating all of that with her personal headcanon and preferences, very intermixingly so. And so she says a lot of stuff that to me just reads as blatantly incorrect, but any attempt at pointing that out will only incite conflict from her, or her discrediting whatever I'm saying as just "my" headcanon. Which it isn't. I keep personal preferences separate from pure analysis, and will clarify otherwise. Cream alone is irrelevant to any of this, beyond not liking how Violet uses her.
>>543196672Kick, and streaming culture as a whole, is one of the worse things the internet has created.
>>543196672>the shit stain on his pantsThanks i havent laughed like that in a minute.
>>543196558>I fucking hate the way this series treats SonicFeel free to go off. I tried Sonic X and I literally couldn't stand how the dialogue constantly worships him
>>543196556Because SoA, as the westerners who live closest, have to do the work of finding the singers and coordinating them on how SoJ wants it. It's a permanent reminder that as much as they want control over Sonic and his image, they are ultimately a satellite of their Japanese coworkers - and likely will never be anything more after Sonic Boom completely fell apart. It's emasculating.
>>543196960Streaming gave us IShowSpeed. It can’t be all bad.
>>543197021Kellin Quinn saved the series.We would never have another vocal track again of it wasn't for him knocking it out of the part three times in a row.
>westerner vocal song>close game
>>543197108He’s only good for reaction gifs
>>543197021SoA should constantly be reminded of their place as SoJ's little slutty bitch
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>>543196954This is exactly how I've been feeling about Violet too. He seemed nice at first, but he's disingenuous in subtle ways, which makes him feel very unsafe to trust on anything, even when I agree with something he says.
Reminder westerners gave us anti wind garbage like Mania
>>543196747But Modern went out of its way to have the Sonic cast interact with humans only. It was a specific directorial decision, just like how the Meta era games specifically tried to cut down on characters and simplify stories.
MUHRIA I CANT BREAK THIS THIN GLASS AAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>543197021>Because SoA, as the westerners who live closest, have to do the work of finding the singers and coordinating them on how SoJ wants it. I'm pretty sure they didn't want vocal songs due to the majority of the Sonic fanbase thought they were unnecessary for the franchise. You have to remember this was around the time where people wanted the Sonic IP go back to it's "roots", as songs with vocals in them were never in the classic games outside of CD(Which most people haven't played).
>>543196843What is up with you right now? Like, I'm sorry if anything I said sounded mean or whatever, but again: I'm only responding to what you give me. And more often than not, it's you whose not being very nice even if you think you are. I write a lot of these posts from an analytical perspective with a blank facial expression. I am extremely analytical, perceptive, and definitely an overthinker. Sometimes paranoid, and I also have a mental image of myself as like a guy with a conspiracy board of red line everywhere sometimes. But everything I say is genuine, and what I perceive to be the case. It is never my intention to incite negative reactions, or lie about anyone. I do not lie. I'm epecially not lying about you. I can only say what I have perceived of your actions. And I conclude: You have a lot of ill will towards Amy, on a fundamental level. You say you played "Devil's Advocate", all I see is that you have a lot of hatred for Amy's official character. Everything I say that repeats her official character profile stuff, you argue isn't "true" somehow and you insist that she's just a girl whose crazy over Sonic "and nothing more". You say that all of Amy's real character traits beyond that -actually- exist within Cream. Thus, I can only conclude that your own true, actual thoughts are that Amy is a bad character, and Cream is a better replacement. Any -liking- of Amy you have is fueled by your own headcanons, fanfictions, or alternate perspectievs on how Amy "Could be", but your thoughts on what Amy "actually is" is purely a negative and highly critical one. Again, I am only going by what I observe here, what you have shown me.
Anyways I'm glad that the writing process of Colors, Lost World, Forces, and Frontiers is decently documented. That doesn't seem to be the case with Shadow Generations unfortunately. But I also haven't played it yet, so I haven't made any effort to investigate the matter on my own>>543197121You forgot the I'm Here cover, that one is great too. I like the original as well, but that one isn't as popular I guess
>>543197490>But Modern went out of its way to have the Sonic cast interact with humans onlyWait, you're including games like Adventure? Anon, Two Worlds wasn't a thing back then. That was the island/continent lore that was broght back recently.
it is genuinely annoying when the story fucking stops to tell everyone how amazing sonic is.
>>543197520Almost everything Classicfags raved about was entirely about the gameplay, shitty friends meme, or design. I don't think any of them hated songs which were pretty consistently considered Sonic's saving grace throughout the years.
>>543197495if shadow did break free, what would happen? Of course maria would still die and I think shadow could wipe out the gun agents
>>543197495If that story was made these days shadow would pull some I'm the coolest crap and save her from being shot while also having a magic cure, and everything would work out fine. >But what about actual stakes, consequences for your actions, and realistic motivationsWhat are those?
How do we remove western influences like sampling songs, sonic design, chilidogs, death egg, robotnik to make it 100% japanese?
amy amy amy amy amy
>>543196449Each member should also get their own expansion pack addition to Sonic Generations like Shadow did. We gotta figure out what they were doing during the events of Sonic Generations.
>>543197520I really do not think vocal theme songs were ever a point of criticism even among die hard Classicfags. Heck one of the few consistently good things people saw in Sonic at the time was the music including the vocal theme songs
>>543197651Or make everyone else lame to make Sonic look better by comparison
>>543197490>But Modern went out of its way to have the Sonic cast interact with humans only.It didn't. The animal based characters just tend to be the most important characters, which is why you arbitrarily exclude them. Even then, there are also some examples of them being used as random characters, even if it was rare since most of the games centered around human cities
Is sparky dougepilled?
>>543197765Amy can't compete with Surge
>Vocal theme songs were ever a point of criticismIs it bad that the first one that came into my mind was>HEY BIG GUY>HEY LITTLE GUY
>>543197737I think we should also remove Chinese characters (kanji), as well as katakana and hiragana since they were derived from them. Chinese shit has no place in our 100% Japanese franchise.
>>543197651i know right? it makes me wish i was as cool as him
>>543197882My example was>CAN YOU SEE ALL OF ME>WALK INTO MY MYSTERY>STEP INSIDE AND HOLD ON FOR DEAR LIFE
>Sonic is the only one who knows the moon spins>Sonic is the only one who can survive cyber space>Sonic is the only one not ripped by the prism paradox>Sonic is the only one not separated from his body in the dream world>Sonic is the only one who's personality isn't affected by Dark Gaia>Sonic is the only one who who can fight back if Eggman takes over the world wow what a cool guy such a cool character i think he's so cool don't you think he's cool
All the answers are in the Sonic Bible
>>543197654>I don't think any of them hated songs which were pretty consistently considered Sonic's saving grace throughout the years.They absolutely did. You can find complaints on forums back in the 2000s and 2010s about how Sega keeps shoving all of these vocal songs into the games when they could use the budget to make the modern games to be "actually good". People were literally happy when Generations didn't have one.
>>543197856I created the proto-version of this OC purely out of wanting to give the Shadow-inspired character I have, "Eclipse", a friend, and the first thought was Rouge. Nowadays, there's a lot more significant relationships that she has nowadays, especially since the current version of her is heavily inspired by Yuri from Doki Doki Literature Club and a lot of personal feelings in that regard, but the compulsion of "She HAS to be allies/teammates with Eclipse" still persists to this day as the absolute foundation of how she must be introduced.
God hovering his hand over Tails
>>543197520>as songs with vocals in them were never in the classic games outside of CDThey would have had vocals if it weren't for limitations, though. Sonic 2's ending theme has lyrics. Hell, Sonic 3's music literally do have voice samples. Sonic's design is partially based on fucking Michael Jackson, and he was supposed to do MJ dances in the sound test of Sonic 1. Vocal tracks were something Sonic Team wanted to do since the beginning.
Holy ocfaggotry Sparky, kys
>>543197421The fact that you are calling him by well him when she has two X chromosomes makes me think you are being disingenous
>>543198131Yeah
>>543198223Based
>>543198286I was just trying to answer the question without talking about how I used to read Shadouge fanfiction when I was in, like, Middle School.
>>543197520Which is ridiculous because the only reason it didn't was because the Mega Drive couldn't have music like that. They still tried to feature singers through Dreams Come True (Sonic 1 and 2, the latter actually using one of their songs) and the failed attempt at having Micheal Jackson>>543197654>>543197792It wasn't universally agreed, of course, but a lot of classicfags did indeed complain about muh "buttrock". They were complaining about everything that didn't 100% match their nostalgia, or how they perceived the series to be (and in this case it was a completely inaccurate perception)
Gay allegations against the three hedgehogsSonic:>His birthday is June(Gay Pride Month)>His theme song says he "follows his rainbow">His voice actor retweeted gay pornShadow>Voice actor voices yaoiSilver>Weirdly feminine, shares many poses with Rouge>His theme song is a gay love story>His voice actor said he's bisexual>His supposed love interest is more mannish than both him and most other males in the series>Written like a faggot in the comics>Doesn't touch women when he hugs them but grabs Espio's ass when he hugs him>All of his stuff has the colors an MLM(Male Gay) pride flag>His alt universe counterpart in Archie is a female preferring bisexual, indirectly stating that he'd be a male preferring bisexual
>>543198131yes
>>543197854When have Blobians been used as NPC in a Dark Age game?
>>543197303Yo! It’s Amy FUCKING Rose!
>>543196954>her personal headcanon and preferences, very intermixingly so.No I think she is willing to argue stuff she does not believe in.You think she is an Amy hater because she was recognizing the games had a flawed depiction of Amy that did not at all extend to the Japanese side media or game manuals.
>>543198456Sonic Adventure DX, Shadow 2005, Sonic Rush, Sonic Rush Adventure.
>>543198354Fine, I´ll let that pass since you were nice about it.
>>543198379Only IDWfags keep trying to push that Silver is gay
>>543198383lovely angle <3
>>543198286What is your problem with ocs?
Abyss Smoke
>MJNo wonder the japs hate Sonic, SEGA couldn't stop sucking the west cock
>>543198523Every Blobian in those mentioned games were a named character of the regular cast.
>>543198515She constantly says that core aspects of Amy's character don't actually exist, and then uses that to prop up Cream by saying she's the one who actually embodies those traits and Amy doesn't, and it makes what she says about both characters appear disingenuous.
>>543198591Japan love Michael Jackson, you boring shitposter.
>>543198552it's pretty cool right
>>543198592Also Advance 2, and Battle, and Unleashed. Maybe I'm forgetting some more.>a named character of the regular castI wouldn't call Vanilla or Norman "the regular cast". Even if it were true it would still be irrelevant, the characters existed and appeared.
>>543198539How new are you?https://youtu.be/qzTl90cBtpQ
>>543198750Cute, but I don't get what they're doing
>>543198734yeah
>>543198590Nice
>>543198743>NormanCompletely forgot about him. Okay, fair point - the koalas count too honestly.
Chaos cumtrol
>>543198868They're touching each other
>>543198286his OC is automatically based because it's shadouge inspired
>>543198583stop feeding him, please
>>543198775Westfags who eat up Silver mischaracterization have always been the problem
>>543198235>LimitationsLol, remember when Gamefreak made a fully English voiced game on the Genesis.
>>543198868Read from right to left, it's that joke where you tap on someone's shoulder to make them turn into your index.
>>543198948Why don't you explain it to me then because I don't know.
>>543198980Okay, now where are the music with fully vocalized lyrics?
>>543198948What ship do you like?
>>543198379>>543198539I'd grab Espio's ass toohttps://files.catbox.moe/wqrzpy.mp4
>>543198929Yeah but it seems kinda random I feel like there's some context I'm missing lol>>543199002Hm alright, I was reading it correctly I just didn't know that. Thanks
>>543199082ocfaggotry is off-topic but I´ll let it pass because Sparky was nice about it
>>543198980They picked the most popular pop musicians in both Japan and the US to work on the original classic trilogy. Sonic was always meant to be tied to lyrical tracks and have a huge focus on music
Silver is gay.
blobians are off limits to most humans, they're a little racist
>>543199082You are talking to a shitposter. Don't bother asking anything genuine to him.
Character for this feel?
>>543198948>>543199391Octard detected, go back to your shitboard
Sonic & Tails!
>>543198523>>543198743Is Vanillia really the only Blobian NPC for Sonic's World introduced in the Dark Age?>SRAI don't think that can count, since it takes place in Blaze's World, which, so far hasn't shown any humans, only Blobians. Maybe Blaze;s World was the Second World Iizuka was talking about, lol.>UnleashedChip isn't a Blobian.
>>543198693She said they do not exist directly within the games themselves before like 2010.
>>543199593Amy is also in Unleashed and she's literally only there to be a town NPC.
>>543199415Lunar
>>543199625But that isn't true. Amy in the games before had been written just like what her profiles say.
>>543183780>Fiona Tails cuck...
>>543199964I laugh everytime I see this.
>>543199593>Maybe Blaze;s World was the Second World Iizuka was talking aboutI've joked about that too before lolTwo worlds: Sonic's world and Blaze's world
>>543199480Why does Evan hate Sonic character design principles?The blonde legs on Whisper look objectively fucking stupid yet it's done to spite characters like Rouge who have full skin bodies because people can't handle that these characters aren't like real animals and they have different traits like exposed skin. It's also why they give them toes in Archie rather than blobless feet. It's all hatred and spite for the franchise.
>>543198980I'm serious, anon. Could you point me to where in this OST exists a vocal track with fully realized lyrics?https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvNp0Boas722xT-ro9V7VpX87AYuQ28pwI'll wait.
>>543183780Foxes have very small penises relative to their size.
The west is incapable of making good sonic games
>>543183176>>543183359The fuck is this kind of fanart?
One day i'll get good enough at art and music to make my masterpiece jrpg sonic fangame in a 5edgy10u grimdark archie-esque setting that implements an everythingfag agenda
>>543199964>responding to a 3 hours old postRent free
>>543200307Shock value.
>>543199662Amy is part of Sonic's friend group and is a main character who appears in multiple games. That's different from say the Burger Shop Owner from SA1 or the Captain of the Guard in 06. Amy as an NPC isn't there to give a sense of what Blobian society is like, like the two human NPC mentioned are, and her and Tails being the only Blobians in Unleash just reinforces that they (+Sonic) are the only Blobians on the planet.
>>543183176>>543183359Why are IDWfags like this?
>>543198980I wouldn't call a few low quality voice samples "fully voiced"
The next sonic game needs a better version of the forces OC creator, let people make their elaborate OCs and let me see my friends OCs when I run around on frontiers 2 islands between villages
>>543199684
>>543200432They're not the only blobians on the planet in the Adventure games, they're just in a city primarily populated by humans. The characters in Adventure speak of Amy and the others like normal people
Sonic
>>543200528This, and also have online multiplayer>and let me see my friends OCsTechnically Forces does this since you can play with other people's OCs or do missions involving them, idk if it uses your friend list or if it's just random though
>>543200816She wants it
>>543200150Lol, you got me I can't; but I know there's some Snes games that do it. https://youtu.be/W3SA9LuqQgA?si=pT9MGhNctG8_8459Honestly, I was amazed when I played Pulsmen and it was voiced(!) and I bring it up because it's funny how competent Gamefreak used to be.
Silver
>>543200983Sonic needs this kinda pic
I put all my headcanons, theories, preferences, etc into my project, so it's separate from pure analysis on the canon itself. I don't understand why everyone else doesn't just do that. 'Cause having an oversaturation of headcanon ideas but trying to project that back onto the canon characters themselves just seems crazy. Just make your own separate thing and make your own characters to be what your headcanon image of the character has become. I don't understand the desire to be extremely, radically creative but projecting all of it onto the actual characters and stuff themselves. I self insert as Tails quite a bit, but I'm not gonna project too much of myself or what I'd want onto the character to that level. I have my own OC for that, and people will look at that and say he's just Tails in a hoodie or whatever, but he isn't Tails, he is his own character that also embodies all the Tails stuff I want him to be embody. So, like, why do so many wanna project headcanon stuff onto the characters to such a degree that they effectively become OCs, yet they still insist they're the actual character?
>>543200862what's with girls and torturing and mutilating male characters?
Shadow
Why do you post westshit pics in this japanese general?
>>543200524I imagine these were some pretty big samples for the Genesis.https://youtu.be/lKj-00FDBGA?si=9HcD_O2qReD5J7GY&t=75
>>543200983That SNES opening is pretty cool. Makes me wish they somehow managed to include Sweet Dream with lyrics in Sonic 2. I imagine it was heavy on resources though.Also yeah, the Game Freak thing is funny. I think they're "competent" honestly, they have all the resources they could possibly ever need, they just have zero interest in making anything respectable or high quality.
>>543201245Dental fetish is the weirdest fetish. In middle school there was this guy who would play extremely detailed dental Flash games and I just knew something weird was going on with him. At least furry is cozy.
Amy
>>543200528Fuck off woefag, nobody but autistic retards like you want ocs
>>543201236I'm a boy who enjoys mutilating male characters thank you very much
>Year of Amy hinted at>Amy fans get scaredMan, it is hard being an Amy fan.
>>543198775silverfags are underage which is why they don't know about stuff like this and pothead the porcupine
>>543201635the movies are going to get praised for girlbossmy and that characterization will bleed into the games. 2000s Amy is dead.
They already blew their load with Year of Shadow
>>543201570can you elaborate why
>>543201862No.
>>543201384I think for most Genesis game like an 1/8, or at least large portion of its memory is dedicated to the Sega chorus.https://youtu.be/GpzH0WJ52kc?si=bLvsaiXH0JisLlnx
>>543201635Ian is the only one mishandling Amy at this point.
>>543201635The person at the top blocked me because I said someone made a random transphobic comment
>>543201962I dunno, I can't help but worry a bit about Fowler.
>>543200348Why not today? Pixel art is even easier than regular art as long as you aren't trying to make street fighter/guilty gear sprites or some shit like that.
>>543202089based (him not you)
>>543202089These people act really edgy by saying nigger tranny 41% die die die but they’re actually huge pussies if you disagree with them or criticize them
>>543201962He does a pretty good job with Classic Amy.
>>543200365>being a cuckRent free
Brown Tails
>>543201763This commission made by yarldey was so edgy, but gotta be honest, finally deserved this and more.To bab we never seen scourge plan after lockdown, he was supposed to make something so bad, fiona was supposed to see how twisted he was an reconsider not only the love she had for him, but her actions as an individual as a whole.If I remember right the plan was for Fiona to still be a villian as the leader of the destructix but beig real apart from scourge. Makes me wonder what's was supposed scourge to do that was so bad.
>>543198131I can't actually think of a character I dislike more than Sonic when he's written like a gary stu, every time I try to I always end up going "they're not worse, they're not even as bad."I suppose I like that he's gotten me to appreciate everyone else more than I used to, thanks, Sonic, without you I wouldn't be the literal only person who likes Charmy enough to be annoyed at the idea of Shadow wanting to kill him.
>>543197765Hey! Amy is sweet and nice and kind and noble and uh...very...exciting character...
>>543198131What's the complaint? Its the same shit for mario in that he can do things other characters can't for the sake of plot convenience
>>543202439I think you just answered your own question.
>>543202215That makes no sense retard
>>543202309Ideally how should Sonic be written? How do you feel about some attempts (like SA2, Lost World or RoL) to give Sonic flaws?
>>543201763>Then Tails wakes up
>>543202173No they were insisting they understood trans people more than a trans person.This was two pro trans people arguing with each other
>Sonic is a god>Sonic is a teenage boy who cries about his family and tells annoying jokes and is tied to one spotone or the other, no in between
>>543202195No this was someone who was pro trans rights getting mad at the idea they could ever say something transphobic and had a meltdown.
>>543202595You attacking times and not denying the contents proves you admit you are a cuck.
>>543198131>>543202309this is why i love jet, he brings out the worst in sonic
>>543202585I still don't know what you're all expecting. You aren't going to get sonic adventure one or two again, and sonic as the main character is entitled to do everything himself because that's the complexity you can expect from kids media these days. And even if you wanted him not to, then you would have to introduce new characters or bring back old ones for what? One second of melodrama that's going to be quickly glossed over with no consequences?
>>543202760All he does is make Sonic scowl for two seconds before Sonic proves to be superior to Jet at his only talent which he honed for years and is part of his culture
>>543202754Why would I do that when you post it in every thread regardless, I’d just be wasting my time like you
Amy Rose being Girl Sonic means that she is the Girl Mickey Mouse, which is more than just Minnie Mouse. On a conceptual level, the "Girl" version of what Mickey Mouse is, is the Girl version of a Mascot-level character. Someone who is a Paragon, who is Idealized. Whose very existence is to be a Logo. An Icon. A symbol, more than a real person. "Girl" + "Mascot" = "Idol", "Waifu". What the entire Vtuber industry is built on. Look at how cute this girl is, don't you wish she was YOUR Girlfriend? Don't you wish this girl was YOUR wife? If you're a Girl, don't you wish you were THAT Girl? Don't you wanna BE her? This is what Amy Rose is, on a conceptual level. Hence how much "Sweet" and "Cute" is used to describe her in official material. You're meant to be fawning over how adorable Amy is, just like you're meant to be fawning over how AWESOME Sonic is. And the Sonamy dynamic is that YOU may obsess over how cute Amy is, but Sonic is so "COOL" that he doesn't seem to care, he's above that, you will NEVER catch Sonic simping over a girl.
>>543202859Let's be honest, Sonic being God does not have to be the premise of every single plot in the series. He can just run through loops and kill bad guys.
>>543198775>>543201673Das right motherfucker. Silver is cool now, problematic stuff like that will be thrown out the window
I got called out as ableist when I said that depressed people should stop arguing about Sonic on Twitter.
>>543202985>admitting you’re a kidSilver will never be cool btw
>>543202908Sparky did Violet mind break you? Why do you need to make these rants again? She does not even want to engage. She just thinks you are both at a stalemate. I would much rather argue more interesting topics desu
>>543202882>Deflection and projection about posting stuff every thread as he does the sameYou're already giving your precious time to me too btw.
>sparky copypasta from 2022
Sonic -> "This guy is the coolest."Amy -> "This girl is the cutest." >>543203053This isn't a rant. This just popped into my head after seeing these posts: >>543202309>>543202342I'm just sharing analytical thoughts like I always do sometimes.
>>543203057Just to tell you how pathetic and retarded you are, I’m done now
>>543203184You keep replying cuck retard. So you already wasted it.
>he's still doing thisDo we even like these?
>>543203152I would rather hear your hypotheses about why the IDW staff have such wrong takes on the characters.Like Evan Stanley thinking Shadow would escalate the violence of a situation and has no problems killing someone who is not a serious threat.
>>543202964You just unlocked a core memory for me, but regardless of that you aren't going to see anything complex from this series ever again. Its going to be sonic the quiphog showing up and stopping baldy mcnosehair from here on out for the rest of our lives unless one of you make your own ocs as a new media franchise that legitimately challenges sonic in the same way nintendo made sun/moon and changed ash to compete with yokai watch
Total windfag rape
Sex with Sonic and making Amy watch
>>543203331Surge...
>>543203274My perspective on Evan is that she writes with the mind of someone like Amy, so anything from the Sonic side of being "Cool" is filtered through that Rose-tinted lens. This is more-so a very simplistic comparison to get the vibe across, but I don't spend that much time analyzing the deeper intricacies of Evan's writing itself beyond what I've already read.
Amy keeps trying to be "one of the boys" but she's a girl and will never be a boy. She'll never be cool enough.
Just noticed Sara really wanted Knuckles. Didn't notice she kisses him another time here until now.
>>543203239I remember a long time ago he said he was quitting or dropped his projects. I thought his first few Christmas animations were charming back then.
I used to come here and watch you people argue about shadally and sonurge every day while laughing until i started welling up actual tears
>Go to look up that video againIs this actually evan? wtf?
>>543203292>sonic fan makes their legally distinct blobian ocs outsell a sonic gameIt’ll eventually happen as people get older. I just hope it’s an Archiechad or everythingfag who sexualizes the mobians
I blame Silver for the rampant OCfaggotry in this fanbase. He was the first canon character that looked straight out of deviantart, to normalize the making of sparklehogs
>>543203540based knux
>>543203540she has good taste
>>543203031Sure grampa, oh it's midnight! Let's get you to bed
>>543203639Its happening now. I appreciate people trying, but you can't easily unseat a franchise with twenty years of history over you. You would have to be a breakout hit like undertale or fnaf from the first game to even get the chance of getting that shot
>>543203763Sonia and Manic look like they came from Deviantart and they predate Deviantart
Even Blaze is cooler than Amy, which is ironic.
>>543203763Why are you blaming Silver for this when it was Shadow that started that
>>543203540OVA was so good
>>543204110Because Shadow is a good character, Silver is not
>>543203763>I blame Silver for the rampant OCfaggotry in this fanbase. He was the first canon character that looked straight out of deviantart, to normalize the making of sparklehogsNo he wasn't.
>>543203995Why did you cut off her ears and tail?
>>543204081Blaze is pretty boring though. At least with Amy she's super energetic and can go super crazy if she's pissed off.
>>543203763>It happened years before his conception
>>543203763>>543204110>>543204189>silver detractors being disingenuous again, even admitting it
>>543204189>Because Shadow is a good characterIf we were in the 2000s or 2010s, you would have been laughed at by everyone for saying that.
>>543204071Rollin Rascal made 500k
>>543204313women
>>543204351I said it normalized it, not started it
>>543204452Not by me :)
>>543203763Sonic OCs existed for as long as the series had, but lets be real you were getting things like Coldsteel the gun-loving Hedgehog years before Silver showed up, and there one character that started that trend.
Sonic = MascotMascot = idealized, paragon, living walking logo icon symbol of some sort of concept. Like Batman becoming a symbol of fear or darkness or vengeance. Amy is just the Girl version of this at her core. Tails as Kid-Sonic, is not a "Mascot" directly because he is an "Avatar" for "you" as a fan, an Avatar for younger siblings and stuff, or whatever. This can evolve into a Mascot, though. Like, I'd say Spider-Man at his core is an "Avatar" character, and most kid sidekicks are, like Robin, but Spider-Man has obviously evolved to Mascot status on the surface even though the very core of his character is being a relatable underdog kind of figure. Knuckles is the one who feels the most like a Superhero due to his sense of duty and responsibility, being a "Guardian" who has to protect something, having a homeland he watches over. The same way I see Sonic as a variation of Mickey Mouse, I see Knuckles as a variation of Superman. Even before the DC crossover made that official. Knuckles himself is the Superman figure. It's easy to mistake Sonic for that, because "Mickey Mouse" as a mascot is often treated with the compulsion that he must embody the most heroic values as a role model, at the expense of his character. Sonic circumvents this by being an aspirational figure for "Freedom" which in-turn allows him to be a cartoon mascot trickster figure and what-not, while also being a very heroic figure. This is why "Sonic is not a hero" is so important, and why that same kind of clarification exists for characters like Goku and Luffy. A cartoon mascot is often meant to just be a fun wild card in some way, but the concept of Superman basically challenges the mascot character to have that same moral standard. Sonic does what he wants. Knuckles does what he must. Blaze as the Nega-Sonic, is thus a Nega-Mascot. But the characters in fiction that remind me of Blaze are the ones who the girls that are either anti-fun, or girl bosses, or Elsa.
>>543202881That's what happens when Sonic is written like he shouldn't be, yes.Do people forget that Jet beat Sonic in Zero Gravity? Jet bets all the Arks of the Cosmos that he can beat Sonic to Eggman and the next cutscene has Sonic pay up with Jet looking like he doesn't know what to do with himself anymore before the plot is interrupted by the final boss.
>>543204071Nine sols had a sonic exe reference sorta. But it wasn’t blatantly a sonic ripoff
>>543203152>Sonic -> "This guy is the coolest.">Amy -> "This girl is the cutest."Ah, now I see why the entire idea Amy's character keeps changing, her character was never the point.
>>543204537>normalized Again, it happened years before his conception
>>543204452Silver was literally an attempt to recreate Shadow because of how successful he was
>>543203639>>543204071It will never happen. Sonic is the model. They can bite off him but can't ever be him.
>>543202881>>543204637jet also beat him in their very first race and in eggman's grand prix (thanks to wave rigging sonic's board)he has a respectable win record
>shitverfags getting uppityknow your fucking place faggot parasite lovers
>>543204756>Silver was literally an attempt to recreate Shadow because of how successful he wasLiterally wasn't, not all attempts at serious characters are shadow.
>>543204313>she's super energeticShe is?>and can go super crazy if she's pissed off.She can?
>>543204452The fanbase is historically immature, if you're offended by what it has to say, you've definitely got paper thin skin.
>>543204463You say that every time I post it lmao. The real question you really should be asking is if you see can see kids in elementary or middle school sitting around a table talking about any of these characters like we used to. Are they things they would beg their parents to buy for them? Or for their friends to play with them and talk about? Are they attractive enough that the kids would want to dress up as them for halloween? And so on. Franchises don't survive because adults are into them, they survive because kids like them and grow up with them, and spread it to their own kids. And so on and so forth. >>543204638What's the ref in nine sols? Never played it. >>543204887Yeah. As we talk about all the time sonic fans only ever want more sonic. No reason to try appealing to them by making another clone instead of doing your own thing
>>543205037Cool
sonic... boobs...
>>543205037GAY
>>543205002>a male hedgehog with bullshit OP abilities setup to “rival” Sonic before realizing the error of his ways and teaming up to beat the big bad at the end Yeah, toooootally not a Shadow clone
>>543205037uber hyper ultra gayver
>>543204693Amy is an ideal, just like Sonic is. But that ideal is inherently tied to what is considered to be the 'Ideal Girl' ... from a guy's perspective. Meaning, an ideal Girlfriend or Wife, and that comes with all sorts of gender expectations or whatever, which is also a catalyst for feminist movements against this, and so the embodiment of that counter-culture is basically someone like Blaze or Sally, the Nega-Sonic. Where I compare Knuckles to Superman, I'd say Blaze and Sally are a female equivalent to that. In some way. Not like, Wonder Woman in particular, but...Superman is basically a form of peak "manhood". Like, where Sonic has the heart of a boy, Knuckles being bound by his duty could be seen as the heart of a "man". Like, that sort of thing. Blaze and Sally, at least from my perspective, feel like they have a fundamental core of "Amy is just a girl, but -I- am a WOMAN" or something like that. Anyone who looks down on the specific concepts that Amy represents and is defined by WILL like either Blaze or Sally more. It all centers back around the fact that who Amy is is intrinsically linked to WHAT she is, Sonic's "Ideal Girlfriend" whose defining character trait is how much she loves Sonic.
>silversperg here to spam his samefag folder againhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/image/Y0Kq7ZLF-2r4E1tGF0754Q/
>>543205037That's not even what Hyper looks like, it can't be properly depicted in a static image.
>>543204887You could say they're all fakers. Comparing themselves to sonic? Ha. They aren't even good enough to be his fake
>>543205194So Blaze is also a Shadow clone. A alternate universe from a male hedgehog with the same set up.
>>543205329Sure
>Sparky's schizophrenic rants again
>>543205207I took that screenshot he reposts and it's fun seeing it floating around
>>543205067It's spoilers but one of the endgame bosses is a woman trapped in a virtual hellscape of her own making and haunted by her past mistakes. One of the jumpscares is watching a beautiful digital paradise get transformed into this.She's not evil though, she's one of the sweetest, kindest people in the setting, but she's hurting badly.
Silver is a male hedgehog that Amy mistakes for Sonic, he gets his own campaign like Sonic & Shadow do, he figures out Chaos Control after seeing it once, he fights Shadow to a standstill and the game ends with all three super hedgehogs fighting Solaris in their respective times.You will never convince me that he wasn't made to be a third Sonic, never, he's 110% a pet character.
silver blowjob
>>543205619Doubt it, xitter meme schizo.
>>543204986>parasite loversI wonder who could be behind this post...
>>543204756No he wasn't stop parroting this retarded shit. Silver is an attempt to create a popular character by using the same method they did with Shadow which was to just use DBZ as an inspiration. That doesn't mean they were recreating Shadow.
>>543205650>third SonicWe never needed more than one Sonic
Shadria at the end of the threadShadria at the end of everythingEvery path shall lead to Shadria
>>543205953>>543205953>>543205953
>>543205619
>>543205907>he’s not Shadow he’s just TrunksNot any better
>>543205917That's why SA2 ended with Shadow dying.
>>543205201>that ideal is inherently tied to what is considered to be the 'Ideal Girl' ... from a guy's perspective.That's not even true. When she was introduced, Sonic legitimately wanted nothing to do with her.
>>543205639Man that's creepy. I'll probably forget by the time it goes on sale because I'd never pay thirty bucks for an indie game
>>543206023And Shadow is Vegeta
Kid-Sonic, Girl-Sonic, Anti-Sonic and even Nega-Sonic are basically all fundamental character archetypes for protagonists across almost all fiction in some way. And they're all some extension of the core "Sonic" archetype of basically being a Mickey Mouse. Kid characters, Sidekick characters, Underdog characters, Apprentice characters, "Relatable" characters, Nerds/Virgins/any variation of being a LOSER tormented by bullies, even Isekai MCs who have no personality, Harem MCs who have 100 Girlfriends who really, really, really, really, REALLY love you. "The Human" in an RPG world of fantasy monsters. This is all the "Tails" archetype of main character. And the core of it is always "You are not HIM. You will never be HIM... But, you have the potential to be even GREATER, if you work hard enough." For Knuckles, it's the concept of a super-strong and powerful warrior dedicated to a cause greater than themselves, essentially the very core of the Superhero genre, but it obviously extends beyond that. For Amy, it's all the Ideal Girlfriends, the Waifus, what every female Vtuber wants to be or is marketed as, the paragons of love and compassion, and more often than not tied to the very concept of romance from either angle. If she doesn't exist, then the "IDEA" of her is still prevelant in some way. If not an object of romantic affection, then the core of being a very cute girl whose fun and energetic and uplifting or spontaneous or whatever is still the core appeal. For Blaze, it's often the female characters who are trying way too hard to go against the narrative perpetuated by the Amy characters, to assert themselves as strong female characters, embody girl power, be more than just some guy's waifu, but it also loop back around to just "The Tsundere" once reapplied to the basic romance trope anyway from the male perpective, or be the most toxic girl bosses imaginable, or it could simply be a girl whose more focused on being "Smart" because the boy is a "Doofus".
>>543206103It's worth picking up when its on sale desu, maybe set a reminder. It has some flaws but I think it has incredibly strong writing and worldbuilding, and the boss fights are kino even if the combat and exploration outside of it can be lacking at times.But it's one of the most beautifully drawn 2d games I've ever laid eyes upon.
>>543204986This is straight up hypocrisy lol
>>543206061>That's not even true. When she was introduced, Sonic legitimately wanted nothing to do with her.See: >>543202908>And the Sonamy dynamic is that YOU may obsess over how cute Amy is, but Sonic is so "COOL" that he doesn't seem to care, he's above that, you will NEVER catch Sonic simping over a girl.Amy and Sonic are both ideals, and the ideal that Sonic represents is too much of an ideal to care about the ideal that Amy represents. The exact person who would be most susceptible to Amy's influence is Tails, because a self-insert underdog loser nerd archetype is the exact type that obsesses the most over girls, which is why its projected onto any male character ever, and the most basic hero story is "Save the Damsel". But its that specific narrative that Sonic was supposed to subvert because he is the COOL guy, he's not gonna be obsessed with a princess like Mario is, he's not gonna fawn over a girl like Mickey himself, Sonic only cares about ADVENTURE. And so, Amy was designed with this in mind as well, and its' all part of their deeper dynamic and relationship and stuff.
>>543206226He wasn’t originally, he was a Sonic clone
In short, Sonic's core appeal is how cool and awesome he is. Tails, Amy, Knuckles and Blaze are all adjacent to Sonic, and so they all contrast that inherent concept in distinct ways that themselves are reflective of iconic protagonists across all media in different forms. Also Jet should apply as well, by the simple fact that Jet is what happens when you try and frame Sonic as being egocentric about his own hype. Sonic does not care about how cool he is. JET is the character who reflects that coolness but DOES care about how cool he is. When you want to make Sonic himself "flawed" in some way while retaining the base of being the coolest chad there is, on the surface, then you get Jet. Sonic is All Might.Tails is Deku.Jet is Bakugo.
>>543206590His concepts literally had the character included. He became more of a vegeta in the meta era.
>>543201635I swear, Amy fans act like a cult. It creeps me out.
>>543202621This reminds me of the Superman problem. If Superman is written too much as this paragon of virtue who can do no wrong, you end up alienating the audience who find him unbearable. The same goes for Sonic. I think a Sonic who makes mistakes and isn't getting his dick sucked is a good Sonic (for example, Sonic Adventure 1). Tv tropes has a term for the latter, Character Shilling. I hate how Sonic is shilled to hell and back in Forces.
