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Pillow Talk Edition

>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-02-2025-update.84332/

>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/

>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/

>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.

>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/

Threadlocked: >>543381349
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>There's at least 1 pause in every fucking game
They would make so much money by limiting pause numbers per week, and sell the retards extra pauses counts.
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>click stream
>obnoxious zoomer or dysgenic asian with nasal voice
i'd rather watch a mute /dlg/fag
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>infernus/kelvin lane
what do you even do
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how come geist gets all the thick art
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Sex with Abrams
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Quick guide to being behind in lane
>buy extra regen and/or spirit shielding
>stay in cover so they can't shoot you
>kill enemy wave, but do not leave cover to do it
>farm the boxes near you
>wait for them to get too arrogant and punish with your ult
>use your abilities to poke them back if they get too close, but save ult for punishing a dive
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Paige?
Built for being SA'd by Vyper
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>game shows you as online even if youre offline on steam
AAAAAAAA
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>>543455389
hasn't for my friends who always appear offline and I have to tell them to toggle back on
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>>543455249
>wait for them to get too arrogant and punish with your ult
>use your abilities to poke them back if they get too close, but save ult for punishing a dive
And what should a Mirage player do with their ult?
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So is there any actual downside to Mina's kit or is she really that fucking retarded?
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SEX WITH THE DOORMAN!!!!
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>>543455580
not really past being extremely reliant on her 2
ethereal shift being such a powerful item at the moment basically makes her unkillable once she gets it though
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>>543455535
Tornado
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>>543455157
Buy extra stamina and regen
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>>543455229
Are you kidding?
Haze gets all the retarted balloon asses when she's a limber and sporty type physique in game
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>>543456437
first I've heard of that phenomenon
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>>543455114
Eido has insane mechanical skill though
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>Play Seven
>Farm up to a 10k soul lead
>Pop out and ult enemy team
>Bring most of them down to very low health
>Get two kills
>Team doesn't move in to finish anyone off
>Go back to farming
>Paige starts complaining that I'm 10k souls ahead and not doing anything
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>>543456437
I need that puffy pussy and ass on my face
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>lane with drifter
>runs to base to heal after 2 mins
>haze and abrams get super agro
>bring both of them 1
>die
>Drifter is at base AGAIN to heal because ????
>He uses boost, fucking DIES
>Whatever win lane regardless
>Yellow is getting shit on
>Blue wins lane
>Kelvin then rushes to green because ????
>Yellow needs help
>Hes still at green, yellow walker is getting gaped and we making chump change with souls
>later
>we 3v5 blue walker
>side lanes free as fuck
>we get 1 pick and 4 others low as fuck
>Wraith and Vinny in jungle because ????
>lose
This is high ascendant btw
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>>543456741
eido is a faggot that will become more irrelevant than TI1 dota 2 pros if more people start to play this game
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I've started building more movespeed and it's been the easiest winstreak of my life
>laning ends
>start running around enemy jungle stealing farm
>fight happening near me
>pop fleetfoot, I'm there instantly
>either kill enemies or save allies
>go back to jungling
>win
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buff victor NOW
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>>543457278
he's got that Adderall stare
he'll at least place 2nd in a major once the game releases then never again
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Just had 18 deaths as melee drifter we won though
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https://youtu.be/wba915JpuRs
these are the best aim mechanics ive ever seen and its a guy on a trackball wtf
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>>543455535
probably suffer and regret their queue choices
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>>543457334
Movespeed is ridiculously broken in this game. I've seen people build enduring speed, fleetfoot, juggernaut, burst fire and headhunter. It's by far the best stat.
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Drifter sounds like he'd be fun but I never see any doing well or carrying games

I want to try him out but I don't want to fallout of my shitlow rank into Oracle. How do you win with him?
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>>543457962
how does this motherfucker play with a clit like that?
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>>543458242
Either build full hyper carry (cultist + pure gun) or do a hybrid melee and space create
t. 200 games oracle drifter
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>>543455114
The majority of high-rated players have some sort of mental issue and/or a huge ego.
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>>543457962
>unironically uses the term "snow bunny"
This guy is fucking gross
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>>543458536
quit making shit up nigga
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>>543457962
Hes also hacking but thats just a small thing hes not telling you
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How do you play Paige?
What do you do in team fights? Do I just wait for somebody else to initiate? Her shield seems reactive and her root is mid range which puts you in danger if you use it aggressively. Her ult is stronger at a distance. Do I just pocket the carry? I always seem to have a better time when I'm helping someone like Abrams or Billy who dives into the enemy line.
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>>543458737
I'm not. He said it while playing Geist. He said "snow bunny mind control" while doing her 2 and I fucking gagged.
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>>543459686
Counter initiate with ult
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>>543459775
it's sad that raceplay pornrot has entered the collective consciousness
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Is there any reason not to use instant cast?
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>>543460038
already used to not using it and don't want to adjust
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>>543458536
I genuinely dont think these people know what it means
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>lane partner is victor
>report and soft throw until we lose
simple as
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>>543458536
It unironically slowly returning to just mean white woman
Soon enough we'll be using to refer to female snowboarders again
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>>543460289
>play with victor
>stop by and get a wave same time as he's rolling in
>action at mid, take off
>10 minutes later:
>victor: YOU STOLE MY FARM AND THEN RAN OFF, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU

victor players are all weirdo vindictive autists (even more than the usual player)
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>team with more m1 carries wins
wow....such riveting and complex gameplay...this is a game that really makes you think and strategize!
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>>543459775
pretty sure thats a marvel rivals meme. not sure if they understand the nigplication
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after playing 4 bot games, i will play my first real game and post the results, wish me luck anons :D
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I have essentially never played an ass faggots game except for a few times years ago. I want to play this but I have no idea what I'm doing. A match was 30 minutes in and I had 13k souls and my duo had 30k. I had 0 kills and 12 deaths. I was playing lash. I don't know what the fuck to do. It feels like everyone does way more damage and has more life and I can't even remotely keep up. Everyone seems to know where I am at all times and insta gibs me. I don't fucking get it man. I was just using whatever the top daily build was.

Please tell me there's some guide or someone or something I can watch to help. Is lash just bad or not beginner friendly? Fuck.
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is there any point in going for headshots with vindicta ult
a 20% bonus doesn't seem all that good for how much you're risking missing
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>>543460961
go lane to lane and get money from creeps while looking for fights
>>543460659
>>543459775
I live near rocky mountains snowbunny used to just mean any hot girl skiing/boarding
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>>543461159
How am I meant to be looking for fights?
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>>543456437
>he hasn't seen the thicc haze mod
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>>543461920
I dunno, just keep playing and youll learn which fights are good or not. As lash you can do some big burst damage on people then fly away again until your abilities are up again. Try to do that. Dont over commit, use your ult when a bunch of them group up
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>Pressure someone out of position in lane
>His ally dash jump instantly, throw out all their cooldown, will literally die for him, honour and friendship
Meanwhile i can't even get my teammates to help me when i'm getting ganked one dash jump away from them.
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>>543461920
>How am I meant to be looking for fights?
If you're playing Lash you want to basically just join fights that are already happening
In general jungle fights are more often a waste of time than lane fights
If you're super low on souls then you're not farming enough. Creep waves give the most souls but just remembering to farm in general will alleviate the issue
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>>543458242
He's a troll pick above phantom unless you want to play him as a meme support ult merchant.
In multi queue, he's completely unplayable at oracle and even below.
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>>543462364
have you tried giving them gifts and complimenting them so as to establish a bond?
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(You)r thoughts on glass cannon?
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>>543462794
I just watch 3 eternus matches and he was doing quite well in two of them. Carried one. Just gun builds with some melee
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>>543462097
So what just roam from high up, slam, flog, then run away?

>>543462372
Should I always just be farming then? Like 13k to 30k feels really bad.
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>>543463104
Purely ornamental as it would break after one shot
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>>543463104
seems pretty good
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>>543463104
bad most of the time, 10% hp is a lot and most gun carries are already fragile
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>>543460961
Deadlock is an economy game, and acquiring souls at a pace slower than the rest of the lobby will make the game harder for you in the long run. It is well worth it to spend some time farming minions in lane or jungle to acquire souls instead of brawling. If you are many people in the same lane, your share of the souls will be smaller, so standing alone in a lane will give you lots of souls fast and gathering in a large group will make you relatively poorer. You'll be more at risk but will have greater reward.

Lash is among the more difficult heroes, but he isn't too difficult for a complete beginner.

If you want to be a complete redditor you can youtube "Averagejonas deadlock for dummies". I haven't watched it but he is usually a good explainer.
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>>543463104
Useful but people need to realise when NOT to buy it. Had a 1/7 wraith die and what does she buy in her time out? Glass cannon. A teammate rightfully calls her out on this. Yes wraith, the only reason you're 1/7 is because you aren't doing enough damage and need less health too
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Working on a hero idea for a Not!Looney Tunes character brought to life and trying to summon the Patron to acquire the Trademark rights to himself, but I think I'm overcomplicating it and adding too much mechanic bloat. Any ideas? Trying to mix classic cartoon tropes with working MOBA mechanics is harder than I thought.
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>>543463840
>>543463936
Gun Geist?
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>>543463969
I don't like the concept. Very tumblr slop
>dude le old timey cartoon!!!
I don't like it, it's TOO silly. Be better off with a black and white man from a TV drama who is slightly static-y if you want a TV show hero
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>>543464172
It's okay but Geist's max HP is really valuable to her and there are so many good T6s for her. And you already get 70% from max berserker compared to 80% on GC
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>>543463969
this poster was raised on disney and it permanently stunted their development
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>>543460961
Lash is one of those heroes that doesnt scale extremely well so he needs early orn midgame momentum to dab on others with soul count superiority

Hes also very reliant on positioning and you kinda need to know what you are doing by cheesing elevation.
Its not uncommon for lash players to get off lane, climb some fuckass building and slam unsuspecting enemies for half their hp bar

But yes keeping up with souls and being efficient with getting them + movement are hardest part about this game
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>>543463969
I like the brawling cloud thing, taking two people out of the fight at once is kino
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How do I stop playing Victor?
I love playing this stank-ass zombie nigga like you wouldn't believe.
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need a tap dancing hero
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leakerman said that the yamato model was being used by a new fencer hero, I wonder if that's what swan turned into?
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>>543464414
I was doing pretty well about using vertically to hit unsuspecting people with my slam but I would do like no damage to them anyways. I was just following the build called (top 0 anotated) and said it was copied from some guy who's name started with an F. But as soon as I fill up on item slots I feel like I have no idea what to replace.
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>>543464792
swan
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You could easily steal jojo villain fucking hero in this game and it would fit

(totally not) killer queen
A blonde dude with pink suit, average build, think of doorman.

Quas
primary bomb
Touches an object and it will become a bomb dealing heavy damage when ta
Can be a creep, denizen, sinners sacrifice, enemy hero, a box, statue or soul urn
Upon said object death or destruction deals aoe damage.
Can be manually detonated at will (explodes every bomb on the map) with infinite range for half of original damage. But damage goes down depending on distance from kira

Wex
secondary bomb
Makes a remote tiny tank that slowly follows its target originally, but then only follows based on heat sources (can be distracted by allies and enemies, creeps, denizens, midboss, fire damage effects)

Exort
Idk some fucking cat swipe punch ability that can send bombs places faster

Invoke
Bites the dust

>Rewinds the game state exactly one minute backwards. Everything that happened in that minute is erased, including game timer.
10 minutes cooldown
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>>543464912
>fencer hero

yuck
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Any speculations or rumors or conformation on how Deadlock will generate cash once released?
Will all heroes be unlocked or will they have a pricetag?
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>>543465456
Cosmetics, exactly like Dota 2.
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>>543465456
Nigga you serious?
Hats.
Look at dota

Yes thar means custom deadlock mods like that new sketch ivy is gonna be banned
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>>543464912
>make a fencer hero
>still has to use a fucking gun
yawn
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>>543465693
how do you propose a melee hero deals with walkers and the patron
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>>543465759
walkers dont give a fuck about anything under it
patron, just jump from the 2nd story and melee it or warp stone
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>>543465759
let him parry walker stomp
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Where's my lich hero?
Where's my skeleton hero?
Where's my zombie hero?
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>>543466052
all shelved for fencer hero and pippin the gnome
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>>543455157
lose lane
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sex with mina
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>>543466052
Isn't Victor technically a zombie?
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>>543465759
i dont care about that
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>>543466052
>>543466446
We need more undead girls asap
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>>543466363
fuck off with this dogshit tumblr art
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>>543463969
recent designs are already getting excessively quirky and this is dangerously chungus
that said, cool ideas
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>>543466814
Victor needs a girlfriend.
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>>543460038
it makes self casting things a bit clunkier but no, not really
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>spend a week learning pocket
>get bored and spend a week learning mo
>get bored and spend a week learning Geist
>get bored and spend a week learning Victor
>get bored and spend a week learning.....

Every single fucking time i get into a moba. How the fuck do I stop being this retarded?
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>>543467231
if you're having fun it's not retarded anon
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>>543467053
paige canonically thinks he's hot
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>>543466363
thats hot keep posting this based 4chan art
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How will they be buffing Seven?
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>>543467517
So does Mina.
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Flopping tranny deadcock.
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Man I thought they "rebalanced" comps in matchmaking, as in, they are using their new secret class categorization in the background to try to ensure team comps are not as unbalanced and yet I keep getting matched with and against the same shit.
My team:
>Me, trying to learn viscous/Yamato as of late
>Vyper
>Sinclair
>Calico who is constantly getting picked on their side of the map
>Mirage
>A Drifter that went through 4th grade 3 times
>Bomb Bebop
>Gun Paige
Or some shit and the enemy team always is:
>Infernus
>Dynamo
>Victor
>Billy
>Ivy
>Kelvin
>Haze
>Gunman
>Full on discord kitten support Paige that only I seem to notice
I swear it's been like 5 games now that I've been matched against Infernus/Dynamo/Kelvin and it's just fucking impossible to win any teamfight or midboss fight, and if I DO get any of these in my team they ALWAYS go for some meme build and/or do fucking NOTHING over the course of the whole 40+ minutes of pain. I don't want to go back to raping people on Pocket just to climb but man it's the only way I get to play the game. I definitely fucked up here and there but at the same time It also feels like I'm the only one trying to do shit and end up dying more than the others because of it.

On the bright side Yamato is pretty fun but kinda weird, I feel like I'm doing nothing but always end up with good damage to both people and objectives and I won my first 6 games on her (it was after this honeymoon phase that the nightmare began), building her also feels awkward since I don't see much sense in building resistances past Kevlar, which is just a fat ass shield, and metal skin against heavy m1 comps, due to her ult giving you so much + debuff immunity, I had no idea that shit could withstand black hole and shiv ult. Also her gun sucks.
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>>543467053
Victor should be a girl
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>>543464228
>>543464395
>>543466942
Yeah, you're all probably right. I wasn't really liking how it was turning out anyway. I'll stick to obscure history and cryptids for ideas.
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>>543468135
dig this: kappa hero. sucks the souls out of people's asses.
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Alright /dlg/ I pick up your suggestions and I did much better as Abrams this time around, still I feel my item builds are kinda shit, I was about to buy Spellbreaker but the match ended.
Yeah tackling an idiot out of position into your Guardian or picking up stragglers is the way, also helps alot when your team do calls and communicate all match.
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>even in oracle people will say to back when you have rejuvs and a weakened patron
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>>543468681
>m on team
>lose
also loled at the seven smoking a blunt
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>>543468681
those are decent item choices if you were using the actives, but you should probably have more than 8 slots filled 35 minutes in
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Yall need to stop with the horny.
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Melee drifter is so funny, you do like 1200 damage per melee when full build on an isolated target
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I've been playing a lot of Gunman and i got the hang of it, but i still can't use Lightbringer's build, it's just so hard to use. It has both Fury Trance and Blood Tribute, it's so easy to fuck yourself over by accident
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Can someone please name the best aimbot to use? The one on gitphub looks super sketchy and unknowncheats also looks sketchy. Not sure who the safest people doing releases are.
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>>543469392
Try Kovaaks, undetectable and works across multiple games
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>>543468681
An anon in these threads mentioned around a week ago how strong kinetic dash is on Abrams early on during the time I was trying him out and holy shit he was right, if you get it as your 3rd/4th item you become your lane opponents' drunk father, if you charge someone you simply proceed to run after them with your kinetic, mowing their asses down with your 16 revolver shotgun thing pellets along the way as they frantically try to run away, running into walls and shit like headless chickens, if you stick to them close enough they will most likely parry randomly expecting a light but you don't even need to melee, it's fucking disgusting, as long as you have a human as a partner that is.
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>>543469607
If it works on Kovaaks then that's a bonus, apparently that also has a ton of aimbot apps. I'm more looking for terms to download them safely. Googles shows plenty of aimbots for both Kovaaks and Deadlock but I have no clue who's safe.
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nothing better than being the last of your team alive and bursting down the weakened patron
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>>543470210
Kovaaks IS the aimbot software I'm recommending to you. I understand the confusion.
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>>543455114
Didn't read. Did cum, though. Mireska hero when?
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>>543470345
I think I see. Hmm. Thank you.
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Today I learned you can melee and kill each other at the same time
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>>543468809
I killed the fuck outta Mina with the help of Haze in lane and with Yamato later.
>>543468898
Should I be filling with more 1600-3200 items along the way? Also I did use my items as much as I could, knocked Seven and Mina out of ult.
>>543469659
I still suck mayor dicks trying to Dash Jump. Its one of the big things I practice alot but sounds like a good plan, gonna try it next time.
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>56% winrate, constantly getting matched with shitters that are at 45%
>make a smurf account
>immediately calibrated to 3 ranks higher than my main
???
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I am thoroughly convinced that Valve does not want me to play Bebop. Somewhere in the code, there's a single line that says "If this moron is trying to play Bebop again, give him the worst teammates in existence."
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I think I've found my heroes bros... I just started playing today and I had a lot of fun with Lady Geist and Paige, went 3 - 1 :D
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>>543473497
>both heal sluts
hmmm yes very interesting
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>>543473629
geist isn't a healslut tho
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>>543473995
she can alt cast her drain on teammates
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>he plays a female character
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>>543475093
Jesus Christ you again? Give it a rest. Nobody shares your complex.
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The black wοman οf Valve unοriginality.
These are TWO different characters
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>>543475781
??? dumb schizo
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>>543473271
>900 obj damage
>2nd least damage in the game
>but hey guys LOOK AT MY KDA ITS SO GOOD
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>in oracle shitlow
>ego inflated retards “tryhard” by forcing supportsissy kelvin/paige in this rank
>buy magic carpet and unstoppable on seven
>”when all is lost just go ultbot seven” the kelvin says as I buckbreak his entire team (lash and paige with knockdown especially) by pressing 4
>win
Kelvin tears are the best
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>>543467053
dude most of the female cast are drooling over him
even Ivy tried inviting him to a date
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Do you think Warden's ability visuals will get updated along with his design? His Binding Ward looks especially awkward, with it's floating cuff-claw and Neon Prime leftover effect edge texture. I hope his hand in a cage will stay and will be used for this instead, pic related.
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boxaroni is the only good deadcock streamer
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Why are people so high strung in this game? If you ever say something nice about the enemy they get all pissy about it
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>>543478885
Literally who(cares)
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>>543479196
me
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Why the fuck is the little pre-game survey shit asking me redundant questions like 'how fun is this item' for a middle of the road loadout fluff piece or asking if Sinclair is strong or weak instead of letting me call actual problematic shitbag characters out?
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>>543479810
It's quick and easy, so players are much more like to voice their opinions, even if the resulting data is lower quality. If you had to write something, a lot less people would do it, and text answers are a lot harder to process.
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abrahms is really strong but I think his ult might genuinely be one of the worst feeling in the entire game
there's something about just using it that is grossly unsatisfying, from the shitty camera angle to the speed of it, just everything feels clunky and bad
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I can only solo carry games if I'm playing gun heroes like Drifter and Kelvin
I just want to have fun with Doorman but no matter how good I do I get fucked
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>>543457334
For me it's regen and movespeed. Mid-game poke slides right off with 13/sec healing and no on can stick to you.
I should probably turn off my mods when I record these huh.
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Paigeniggers are god damned annoying
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another game where I am forced to be the slowing hex knockdown cuck
it's a hard life but sometimes you just dont get to play spirit
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what actives to get on Paige? I run out of slots immediately
>splitshot
>ward
>knockdown
>rescue beam/healing nova
ref seems kinda bad on her
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Does pocket benefit from tankbuster? Or is there not really needed on his cloak/briefcase?
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>warden on our team proceeds to rush into mid and take on the team himself
>uses his ult
>dies
>disconnects
i'm at the rank where players are engaging in team fights but a lot of the time they pick bad times to do it and it's painful
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>>543482540
it's more burst that goes through res so of course it's good
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>>543482641
Just saw a few eternus pocket games and pros seem to run silence wave over it, so was wondering.
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>>543482613
all Warden players I have encountered are the most braindead players I have ever seen
one time a dude straight up dove into a tower against Mina and Geist at like level 3 and started pinging me and spamming punch next to me once he died
I legitimately don't understand the russian mind
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>>543482830
i play warden and understand the one man army power fantasy but god damn do people not look at the map and see they are out numbered 1v4 and think yeah i should pull back
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>>543482687
I suppose it makes sense if you are up close
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>>543482830
Rank up and you'll find good players.
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>>543483208
Don't worry bros we're all going to make it.
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>>543483437
I drop rank with every match I play, it's over for me
I had my chance when Yoshi gave everyone a free rankup but it seems I am destined to forever be an Initiate
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>>543483691
Nowhere to go but up!
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How do you do that urn running trick where you jump on the rune bridge and then do a bunch of wall bounces to keep the vent momentum? I see it done in videos, but I can't figure out how to touch the wall after landing on the bridge.
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>>543483865
Stamina Mastery increases your dash/jump distance
I think some of those guides might be outdated now since they removed infinite walljumps
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How is nigfernus still allowed in this state? When is yoshitard going to be beheaded.
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>>543484054
What do you mean it's not okay to have a hero that is good in every stage and role of the game???
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>>543483984
I'm not buying a tier 3 item just to run urn. Anyways, I was talking about what is shown in this video at 6:00:
https://youtu.be/zFn1yGu5wkQ?t=360
I have no idea how he did that wall bounce after landing on the bridge.
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>>543484391
pretty sure it's a corner boost
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>>543484151
>Nigfernus in your lane: Retard carried solely by the broken op hero to your rank.

>Inferniggger in opponent lane: Retard that knows damn well how to abuse broken op hero.
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>>543484151
I still find it funny that it took a year for Yoshi to move Seven's -15% spirit resist shocking bullets to t2 while Infernus still has -25% spirit damage on t1 afterburn.
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explain to me why abrams default 2 doesn't stun long enough even for normal melee and 2-2 doesn't stun long enough for one melee
Except when he's on enemy team then stun is 10 days long + tip + regenerated all the damage.
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Orb grace period is dumb. There's barely a reason to go for denies when they have such an advantage.
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>>543485915
he has WHAT
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>>543486554
Theres orb grace? And here i am getting denied when on my screen orb only appeared for 0.1 seconds.
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>>543455535
You should win lane on mirage in most matchups but the ult misuse is a big pain point for people

Id reccomend playing a game or 2 where you just force yourself to use it on cd. The biggest issue is the blackhole effect where you hold it forever waiting for the perfect moment and you have to get used to "good enough" ults

I try to just cover a lot of distance at minimum or use it for stats buff
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>>543486554
Denies are such a massive swing the game would be aids to play without the grace period due to ping advantage it was just awful to deal with.

You might think it's only +30 for a deny but it's for two people so it's +60 and because youre taking away that money from the enemy it's a actually +120 for the lane, every deny is a big deal and one deny in the first few waves can be a faster item that wins you the lane.

So I definitely think the grace period is 100% necessary
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>>543455249
>spirit shielding
I buy that shit all the time it's really insane right now imo. Even late in the game it's basically like 400+ hp for free.
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>>543463104
Its a win more item so its bad. I will forgive it on drifter or beebop tho
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>>543486554
you didn't play before it was introduced did you
it was ass cancer, literally just a competition who has better ping
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>>543486554
denying a few orbs and avoiding getting denied means you get levels before them
I've won a lane before just by getting my ult 15 seconds earlier than the enemy
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>>543485915
>>543486678
His kit is boomer bloated, hist first 2 skills have 2-3 effects too many each.
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>>543487245
this, 4 denies is basically a full kill and every timing in this game snowballs off each other

imo the snowball off timings is too much, enemy wins lane off one kill so they get earlier towers then secure the map so enemy gets their t4 before you so they get urn and maybe a pick off then do boss and end game

it's terrible how much small advantages add up right now it's so hard to come back unless they fuck up horribly
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>>543486793
>>543487010
so it's like a bandaid for the deeper issue of wonky netcode? huh. between getting heavy melee'd from four character lengths away, to being bebop hooked when the hand is five character lengths away, the netcode sure seems bad. even for an alpha playtest.
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Post your statlocker playstyle. I am a big brooler
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Why does the game lie to you? Or rather, what is up with the lag in this game? The amount of times I am using an ability like Ivy 3 (ring on the ground to show you where your ability will land) and land on an enemy in the ring but nothing happens to them is wild. Like straight up they are standing in the ring, let alone the actual model hitting them, but they don't get stunned. I fucking hate getting cucked out of my ability when the game is showing me and telling me it will work, but doesn't.

Or the opposite, you very obviously dodge an ability (Geist bomb for example) but still take full damage despite NOWHERE near the damage ring/range. Or the infamous "blutooth punch" melee kills/hits.
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>>543484391
i watched some teams in that tournament the other day and the guy carrying the urn literally just walked it all the way, used one air vent and didn't even slide off of it.
in practice, doing a fast urn run is rarely ever going to actually help in some way.
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>>543488070
that's a cool shape
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>>543488070
guess my main
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>>543488070
unbelievably grim tidings for whoever gets put on my team
at least the shape is cool
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>>543488152
New to movement shooters? Its not based on distance its based on time. Small lag of 0.2s becomes big lag when you are moving 20m/s
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>>543486712
Same, I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional.
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>>543488651
Viscous or paige
>>543488647
wraith or haze
>>543488658
victor
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I didn't like paige before, but I'm starting to love her. Should I try gun paige next?
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>>543488903
>647
mina/pocket
wraith is on my "to learn" list though
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>>543488070
Makes sense, should probably use my early advantage and push walkers more.
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>>543488903
>Viscous or paige
I really like playing the goober, yes
even if sometimes I massively, massively fuck up with him
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>>543488903
even worse
I respect you taking the effort to make a guess though
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>>543488671
Sure I get that. You can never have 100% 'accuracy' because of lag and all that. But it's like I could no be more clearly hitting the enemy with these abilities and they just walk away like it didn't happen. Feels like having 80+ ping is such a massive advantage for the enemy because everything you do is likely to miss while everything they do still hits me with no problem. How can I dodge abilities that I have literally already PREDODGED yet still get hit by?
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>>543488070
No slots for you I guess
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>>543489136
It's only an advantage because they are used to it. Just aiming a half model in front of them should help a lot
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>>543489125
I knew you played at least one tanky retard tier character mo and krill fits perfectly
>>543489048
infernus or billy
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>>543489278
mikuginnis
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>>543488070
Im logged in on steam in browser yet this gay site requires me to log in again with my 2fa and shit? Nice try.
I know everything i need to know - i bounce between piss 5 and shit 1, probably, maybe.
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>>543489431
You don’t need to log in, type your name in top bar
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come lane with me if youre cute (male)
im phantom 3 and only play supports
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>>543489553
I would rather die than lane with a support player
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>>543489408
Ok now THIS is a victor, right?
>no early impact
>tons of farming
>taking a billion damage
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>>543489285
Most games are on Geist/Wraith/Lash/Mina, I'm in shitlow tho, started playing when the big six dropped
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>>543489464
Oh i didn't see, im stupid, thanks!
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>>543489793
to prove im stupid - i forgot the image
Im a bottom main...And i didnt think i play that many "supports" or anything...
>>543488651
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>>543463840
>10% is a lot
Kill yourself
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Why whenever some nigger links a streamer said streamer is using fov cheats? >>543457962
If you go out of your way to get extra advantage it's not unexpected to assume they use more.
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>>543456741
Don't like him, he's soulless and possibly on some sort of pharmaceutical drug
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>>543488070
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>>543488070
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>>543490106
It is tho
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i wish i could be minas sex slave so she could kiss me then mutilate me for my blood any time
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Maturity is realizing pocket and paradox dont take much skill
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I think Dota has Deadlock beat when it comes to item builds right now.

Dota has less items you can have on you (6 max, technically you can have 9 but only 6 will give you it's effects) but because of that limited space the items you get are much higher impact.
In Deadlock right now, the majority of items essentially amount to stat sticks and you can only have at max 4 active items. While you can have characters with builds that rely on more gun damage, spirit damage, or more tanky/support items it ultimately amounts to just different stats. The difference in builds are just optimizing either power spikes or late game damage/survivability. It feels very boring in comparison.

I think a big part of the issue is just in general how stat reliant the game is. Everything is based off of scaling, gun damage, health, all abilities/anything spirit related. If you aren't using items to scale and get a power spike then you need to stay away from fights as best you can. Tier 4 items are extremely expensive and take forever to get if it's not already 25~ minutes into the game so it's hard to build around those since you likely won't be able to reasonably get a 6400 item before 20 minutes unless you're a hyper farmer character or you're skipping past lower tier essentials just to grab that.
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>>543491358
Maturity is realizing abrams is an honest hero only piloted by dishonest players
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>>543489656
I only have 18 games as Victor.
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>>543488070
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>>543491473
I fucking hate dota and its item / hero kit design
I hope valve never goes in the direction of putting even more value onto active items in this game
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>>543479810
Because if you can selectively voice your complaints for x hero the survey data gets skewed
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>Paige dragon bounces off of 4 walls just so it can keep following me
oh ok then
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>>543479810
>"How fun/interesting is this item?"
>basic yet sensible T1 stat stick
what am i even supposed to say here. it does its job well even if said job is nothing special
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>>543481090
Yes, it's partly an animation issue (just want to mash slam as quickly as possible but the ready signal feels too weak to delineate when you can), partly abrams fat ass getting stuck on terrain despite the aoe indicator showing you where you land past that, partly the stun duration being on the edge of what can be parried or not, partly the weird acceleration on the down part of it
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>>543492253
>headshot booster
5
>mystic burst
5
>extra regen
3
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just got carried by a vindicta that is mostly like a tranny ama
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>>543492472
How did you know xe was a tranny
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>>543492472
>ama
Who's your favorite porn artist?
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Is there a world where I play geist without going all in on her fireball or is that the only way she’s useful
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>>543492617
vibes

>>543492670
lately hotaru he does good futa stuff
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Is it still a M1gger patch or is back being fun yet?
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>>543492472
who were (You) playing
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>>543492920
still a shitty gun patch
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>>543492920
you VILL build ze gun and you VILL click ze head
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>>543492942
shiv (we also laned together)
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>>543492920
Praying for a vampiric burst nerf or something
I don’t even know if that’s one of the problem items for gun builds but I hate seeing that stupid ass item turn on and the enemy going from 10% to 100% in one second
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We need a land mine active item so I can stack them around a corner for 10 minutes
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>>543492253
Yeah this is what I mean mostly. Everything that it asks for an opinion on is something that is hard to have too much of a strong opinion on
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>>543493068
the best gun item by far is fleetfoot
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I dont think Sharpshooter is that bad
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>>543493158
That one too, I see it on basically everyone who builds any orange items at all
The fact that its cooldown is so low just makes me confused as to wtf the devs were thinking, same with ethereal shift
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I think I finally figured out why Victor is so fucked
He is the QUINTESSENTIAL M1gger character. LITERALLY M1+W and win, just with the caveat of 3 and 2 to heal
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>>543493158
Nah it's glass cannon.
It gives 80% damage & up to 64% fire rate, merely for 10% max health, which is nothing.
It's extremely good
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>>543493357
the Pyro of Deadlock
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>>543493158
I dont even really look at it like a gun item since people will buy it on spirit just for the moves peed active

They should make it a green 2bh, movement is a substitute for sustain
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They should add a Hitler hero, his ult is he can deny himself
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i have no idea how many of my fuckups come from getting the wrong items and how many of my fuckups come from being in the shittiest position imaginable
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On one hand, I like that deadlock has the kind of flexibility in itemisation that lets you play characters outside their 'intended' role
on the other, if I have to fucking play against one more guniggert doorman, I might die of a hernia
FUCK GUNIGGERS ALL MY HOMIES HATE GUNIGGERS
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>>543493787
Then get items that reposition you or delay your death like ethereal shift/cheat death/ warp stone. Solve both problems at once my nigga
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>>543493787
about a 20/80 split desu
honestly, the vast majority of items are fine, thanks to how DL handles scaling, so its mostly just you being in the wrong neighborhood
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>>543494031
I was just thinking about how terrible weapon shielding is but its probably good vs the gunman, he will proc it with 1 shot
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>>543494150
Depends on the hero. Something like drifter needs perfect items. Wraith or haze are much more forgiving
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>>543494031
I'm so glad I've avoided gun doorman, I feel like people find it too boring to play he was in every game for like a week ago but havent seen him since in oracle
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>>543492920
youre playing a third person shooter what do you expect
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>>543493158
>>543493068
the real problem is how many gun items give move speed boost, I cant even think of any spirit items that give move speed but for gun there is:
backstab
fleetfoot
headhunter
burstfire
frenzy

when you get fleetfoot with any combo of these you are just outrunning and chasing down any spirit cuck with very little effort and massive slow resistance
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>>543494826
Surge of power is spirit moves peed, its also on basically every build that can run it
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>>543494921
ok yeah I forgot about that one, but it still gives fire rate lmao
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>>543494993
it's a shooter game and the firerate is free damage since it gives 8s of fleetfoot passive
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>>543493408
Nah it's sharpshooter.
It gives 70 damage & 20% fall off, merely for -1m/s movespeed, which is nothing.
It's extremely good
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>>543481869
MAKING THE MOTHER OF ALL OMELETTES HERE VISCOUS
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>>543495194
well the game isnt out yet, im still holding out hope they rework the gun spirit system and allow for non shooter heroes to exist
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>>543488070
i shoota da walka
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>>543495845
they exist, but those builds are called "ultbots" and for a reason
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>Friendly Infernus gets Mo ulted
>Cube + rescue beam him
>He's at 20% health but has a clear shot back to our base
>He flame-runs right back into the enemy team and dies
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>>543496554
EBLAN BLYAAAAAATA UNINSTAL THE GAME NUB WAI YU DIDNT GIFF ME SHIELD NUB EBANIY BLYAAAAAAAAAAAT
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>>543475781
>felt called out by the obvious bait
hahaha, coomer.
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>self-inserting in fucking ASSFAGGOTS of all games
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>>543489125
>mo & krill
>mina
how do you manage to main the two least respectable characters in the entire game. I spit on thee.
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>>543496554
I would die from rage if I played a save hero
>>543495976
Nah I want characters with no guns at all. Characters like yamato feel so dumb with their tacked on gun
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>>543497351
If you can't aim at close range then you have far bigger problems to deal with
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>>543497145
I'm a random anon who just popped into the thread to laugh at (someone) not being able to handle the bantz.
you Immediately lurking no-reply.
This us just like fucking /owg/
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>>543497743
>I was merely pretending to be retarded
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>>543497508
It's not that I cant it's that I find it exhausting and unfun. Tell me with a straight face you enjoy shooting at calico with your gun, or any other hopped up adderall faggot wall jumping all over the place. It's cringe
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the main thing to improve in this game is to just not fucking die, isn't it...
if you see a teammate getting raped and you're not 110% sure you can save him you just fuck off and leave him die like a psycho
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>>543498308
or maybe he managed to parry 2 dudes and they are at 10% and you could have gotten a soul lead if you were there
decisions decisions my friend
(also just farming will give you more souls than brooling)
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I queue as Holiday and suddenly my 56% accuracy drops all the way to like 5. Somehow still deals tonns of damage when i manage to hit but holy shit this is cringe.
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>>543498308
dying is fine, I average double digit deaths and am 55% winrate in oracle

just can't have bad and useless deaths that allow them to take mid boss
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>>543486678
did you not know? his 1st skill slows, gives him lifesteal (t2), and deals increases damage he deals on the target (+40% amp at t3), it's a cone skill with charges that lasts 8 seconds, his 2nd skill reduces fire rate by 20%, his 3rd, afterburn, reduces spirit damage dealt by the affected target by 25% and it's just a t1 upgrade btw.
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>>543498308
Not dying alone will get you all the way up to oracle. Once you stop dying all the time yourself, you'll start noticing just how frequently people do retarded shit and get punished for it, throwing away any gains in favour of being retarded. Keep an eye on the map, and you'll start seeing that one guy on your team who's 0/6 run into the enemy jungle every time he respawns, only to die again.
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>>543488070
Pretty sure i played something closer to 20 games, but if the omens in the image are to be considered it can only go up
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What folder do I put mods in, I need the timers and stuff
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>>543489553
Sorry Im a cute girl who mains ABRAMS
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>>543498308
Ive watched metro feed on cd enough to know that deaths before 20 miss mean literally nothing
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>>543491250
Yep
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>>543488070
I was low ranked at Seeker 2 before the update but I farm a lot... so what does this mean?
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>>543499191
>middling damage
>high farm
>high tank
you are the 0/10 Haze are you not
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>>543492472
What build were they
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>>543455247
>>543499093
>>543469659
GODBRAM MAINS RISE UP (and slam down) huehuehue
also speaking of him, I always keep trying to play the skin mods that change his color (red, purple, green, etc.) but it always feels wrong to have him anything but blue, The jacketless skinmod is still the best we have right now imo
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I just report players that kill me too much or have high kill counts

I hope they get banned
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>>543455247
He's hotter with clothes on
>>543496554
I stopped trying to lost cause teammates and my stats have improved
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>>543455247
there is no real reason to why Abrams isn't suplexing people as an attack
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>>543455249
sorry but you're versing a hero that can dive your tower and sustain or attack you around cover. GGs nice lane.
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>>543499714
Given the extremely high cheater rate: they likely will.
Valve DOES ban cheaters, they just don't do it automatically in this game.
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>>543500018
takes 20 minutes for a cheater to get a new account into the playtest
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>>543500140
Correct.
That's why they don't bother to do it automatically.
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>>543500140
The game will be free + it's a Valve game so this won't actually ever stop.
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>play all random all mid
>get AbRAMs
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>>543489553
Sorry I'm a not cure girl who plays Abrams, I don't need no damn support to bash skulls in.
>>543499751
Just replace his 3 and 4 with Marci's suplex and rapid splash melee attacks. His ult is so bugged and easy to dodge/interrupt it practically doesn't exist.
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>>543500285
is it even gonna be random?
apparently it's just called street brawl
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>>543500396
>>543500396
There is 2 modes, one is round based and will likely take place in lashes fight ring(also leaked), probably 1v1 or 2v2 if I had to guess

The other mode has rougelike progression so periodically you will get 3 random items to choose from. Thats probably it for the randomness and you pick your hero
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>>543500285
your butt belongs to them if you push at all.
Just pause the wave as much as possible and play incredibly defensively/farm, If you can, bait them into charging beneath your tower and then ult them with your lane partner.
Not a whole lot you can do if they are competent besides hold the lane for as long as possible.
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What will Vyper look like when she's done?
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>>543500396
you get one random hero out of the heroes that are in your roster.
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>a year later, this image is still relevant
WHEN will his reign of terror end???
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>>543500669
This is all speculation of course but I suspect the round based arena might be a hideout thing so you can warm up vs your party while waiting for Q, that way they dont split the playerbase. The rougelike is probably a q tho
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>>543500892
this will be vyper when she's well done
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>>543501073
Looks delicious...
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>>543500892
>Vyper is yandere for Lash
do you think any woman he is seen with ends up with 300 bullet holes and 70 stab wounds?
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>>543501137
That's why she ends up in prison so often.
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>>543488070
I am thou, thou art I
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>>543501275
Lash' wish to the Patron is sending Vyper to Australia forever
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>>543500892
>>543501137
Valves character design is really something else.
First game of all time where you can play as a felon athro female rapist.
also on the topic of vyperLash, when the game full releases, I'm going to make the most depraved art known to man and nobody can stop me.
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>>543500945
the cancer is terminal and seven is the only one aware of it
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Is Seven a lich or something else?
I can't fucking tell...
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>>543500945
>>543501941
Why isn't he a 2 stam hero?
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>>543501779
>Valves character design is really something else
Looks like all effort went ionto Deadlock some time ago, given how latest Dota2 heroes were lacking
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>>543502063
he possibly hid his soul in a phylactery so the ritual that was supposed to super ultra permakill him didn't work out
we simply don't know
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>>543488070
How the fuck do they measure this shit I went 0/11/15 with the lowest damage on my team.
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HUD mods = cheating
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>>543502078
I don't know anon. Why does he have the 2nd biggest healthbar in the game with the 2nd highest scaling? And the only ult in the game that can deny objectives, with one of the shortest cooldowns?
Surely he's not a developer's main or anything...
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>>543502454
Oh and he's also the only hero in the game with 1.3 spirit per boon scaling. The standard is 1.1.
This is the most obvious case of developer hero bias ever.
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>>543502454
>>543502545
they kind of forgot to update his stats
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>>543502670
boon spirit scaling was added this year though
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>Kelvin is the only hero nerfed more than Seven
>Kelvin is still S tier cancer
>Seven is dust
How though?
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>>543502851
because Kelvin was even more ludicrously broken
and 7 gets dumpstered by 1 item that is meta so its present in every match (Capacitor)
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Free for all deathmatch mode when
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>>543502401
>watching all the compfags get butthurt at the horribly broken MMR system
>so many videos on yt already about being "stuck in ranks"
I know it's not going to last forever, but this is incredibly cathartic. It's funny laughing at the people who only care about 'rank' in games having a shitty time because they can't make broken number go up instead of just having fun playing the game. (not you in specific anon ily <3, just people in general)Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.
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>>543502401
Right there it says you went 9/9/13
Statlocker stats are retarded though and you shouldn't put too much stock into it
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>>543503132
Its already on in every game I play. And I wouldn't want it anyhow else
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>>543502851
seven is the only one aware of this and hates kelvin for it but no one else can comprehend his meta reasoning about reality beyind theirs and so he just looks like a seething hater

apotheosis would be escaping the matrix of the game to delete kelvin altogether
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>>543503445
>vague snoot
This was drawn by a furfag.
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>>543502851
There's a difference between gradually nerfing a hero that's S-tier, and gradually nerfing a hero that's so ludicrously overpowered it made the S-tiers look like a joke.
He was also urgently buffed elsewhere every single time after they nerfed anything in his kit.
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>>543503621
well yeah this is clearly ncs's artstyle
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>>543503621
>snoot
Speaking of furfags...
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>>543488070

Is this good? Arcanist 5 here
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>>543503194
Mm isnt broken thobeit
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>>543500669
bear pit mode sounds like a round-based version of CoD's gulag
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I want to play Billy but I have never seen a Billy win lane ever so I'm scared to do it
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>>543504439
Billy wins nearly every lane in my games...
What the fuck rank are you where he loses?
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>>543503880
That style belongs to the ai now
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>>543503331
Oh my b I guess it didn't register the two following matches one of which went god awful 0/11 and I still ranked up from. I don't understand this games matchmaking.
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>>543504439
the fuck are you talking about
he's fucking invincible and deletes people if they allow him to approach
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>>543503880
Is it?
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>trying to tard wrangle your carries
i never should've swapped off of playing drifter
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I have never lost to a billy lane in my life
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>>543504543
>>543504601
He tends to be decent in the mid-game and dominate the late-game, but never the lane. Whenever I lane vs. him I either play a hero that outsustains him or my lanemate is a M1gger that never has to get close to hurt him so he's never given the opportunity to actually use his abilities.
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>>543488070
Hilarious going on here, seeing Top 19% winrate, top 22% KDA ration, and then also shit like top 4% damage taken per minute and bottom 21% damage per minute. Can you tell I don't play hard carries?
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>>543504704
don't bother tard wrangling people in ASSFAGGOTS
you can't cure such disorders
you will end up giving yourself cancer
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Had a dream where pony posters got /dlg/ purged
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>>543502401
>0/11
>9/9
Pack it up retard you can't read basic stats
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>>543504914
i somehow had simultaneously top 20-something% denies and last hits AND bottom 25% farm per minute
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Tried deadlock mods and they don't work, any idea why?? Pls help,
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>>543503621
How do you even see this shit, looks like a generic cartoon face to me. Bit of a self-report here
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>-13k

uff how can icefrog save this game?
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>>543506840
The bottom panel has a snoot-like appearance.
Notice the down-slanted nostrils and general shape of the mouth.
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>>543506993
>still more than 3x July
I'd say he's doing a good job.
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>just noticed someone seethed on me so hard they went on my steam profile and commented about it
Imagine being this homosexual about an assfucking game. I like to imagine it's one of my Holiday or or Dynamo games where ults weren't to average bottom's 5 satisfaction (i do suck with them to be fair but thats not my problem).
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If they will be making Sinclair also swap models on death instead of just the voice (and since they were willing to rework Vyper's dagger despite her being out of hero labs), they should take Sinclair's 2-in-1 theme further and have Sinclair and Savannah work differently, with the ultimate acting like a switch between them (and maybe have them have separate health). Kind of like Tainted Lazarus from The Binding of Isaac.
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>>543504576
>>543506284
I assumed it was the last match I played not the one two games prior so I didn’t even look at the KDA.
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>>543488070
My previous characters have altered this pretty hard
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My body is a machine that turns souls into trophy collectors
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>>543508257
>Kind of like worst, least fun character in The Binding of Isaac
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>>543508257
They should make them fuck
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>>543506993
>how can icefrog save this game?
Just release more mina & paige level of women.
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>>543479810
I've never seen it ask how fun it is to play against McGinnis. I know she's not overpowered but I assume they don't survey her because then they'd be required to "fix" the hero with the lowest fun rating ever. Hence, why they don't do it.
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>matchmaking so shit they let 5 stacks vs randoms

You start to think Valve learned nothing from Dota.
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>>543508531
My body is a machine that turns slot machines into a 5k soul deficit vs the other team
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>>543508531
after playing a bunch of paige i don't even know what you're supposed to do on her
Gun is okay and funny but kinda ass especially right now with everyone being zoomy.
Spirit caster is eh, cds really big, 1 and 3 have delays, good for teamfight but otherwise?
So it leaves with support+some spirit but its a cucky way to live, no fun.
Not sure what im missing?
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>>543508586
Just got my balls crushed by a mcginnis who never left lane and nobody rotated to help ever so I was just stuck losing lane for 20m against someone I couldn’t really punish.
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>>543508880
Just leave the lane.
If your team still refuses to rotate: oh well.
You contribute less to victory getting trapped in a land with a hyper-farming Miku than if you just give her the walker and then move on.
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>>543509098
Don't do this, lane is the best farm in the game, every creep wave that goes up in smoke is a big mistake
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>>543508791
I build movement speed, cdr / charges + spirit items and slowing hex asap. Once the laning is done just run around the map and try to participate in every fight and push objectives. If you don't have the most assists in your team you are playing wrong. Slowing hex, 3 -> 1 is good damage and disable and usually guarantees kill with teammates. I never start fights with 4, only use it when I get value from both heal and stun.

But I'm a shitter so maybe my take on Paige is wrong.
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drifter is so fucking gay, heartbeat is just a tool to run away. unless you steamrolled your lane, you just gotta be fine with being an ult bot, split pushing and running.
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Okay, this game 100% has forced 50/50 going on. You can't expect me to believe the mouth breathing retards have to be on my team every fucking time. They just don't exist in opponent teams.
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>>543509295
No. You go back to the lane after Miku gets her walker and then fucks off to Zimbabwe.
Then you free farm it and rape her later.
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Surprised at how few stack builder items there are.
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>>543509382
Miku isn't going to stop you from free farming even if she slowly pushes the tower, giving up free farm + a super rapid walker for free 3500 souls is just stupid
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>>543509336
Take the shadowweave pill
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>>543508531
>my body is a machine that turns lonely farming a t3 camp behind my own teams walker into a 5v1 (somehow)

>No seriously, what the FUCK is the entire enemy team doing by ganking me all the way in my own backline?
and... dude... How the fuck did my team do nothing and let them get away with that? T-they didn't even fucking push!!!!!! THEY ARE JUST STANDING THERE DOIN NO-
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>>543509828
A good Miku can deny nearly every soul.
She objectively CAN stop you from free farming AND steal your farm at the sane time since her turrets push the wave for her so she can spend the entire time focusing on soul balloons.
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>>543509839
when do i buy it? should i still pick veil walker?
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>>543510006
As early as possible without fucking up your lane and no to veilwalker

You want it early so the regen actually matters and it gives you fat rends because its got both +spirit and +melee. You want to always open with rend after ambush cause the firerate takes a second to kick in
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>>543509310
Yea i do similar stuff too. Still feels like im a support bot and just hanging out cheering everyone one and doing anything more really doesn't feel "right", she really feels like pure support.
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Why is it so common that someone farm and farm, but they are still fucking useless in the end?
Even when the team are winning, they would still be useless despite being richer than most of the team.
And when they are losing, they are unable to do anything despite being the richest guy in team.
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>all the big streamers say Miku, Paige, and Dynamo are bad
Meanwhile in Eternus...
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>>543510002
No she fucking can't lol, you can pretty much only deny souls if the enemy is distracted, the last hit advantage is too strong. Maybe you should pick up the game again, it seems you stopped playing in november
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I wish they kept the remote explosive Calico cat
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>>543458242
because the character has received back to back to back guttings and he doesn't do anything anymore.
if the enemy team is deathballing you're essentially 5v6 in team fights since his 3 flat out doesn't work and then you just become an ult bot.
not fun for anyone involved so his pickrate TANKED.
>how do you win with him
diet haze, look for shitters solo farming to farm stacks.
no stacks? gg
got stacks? get 3 man'd anytime you do anything on the map.
he's feast or famine but the only time you get to feast is if you're smurfing.
>>543458403
>t. 200 games oracle drifter
why do shitlows think they can give advice
if you aren't the bare minimum of asc 4, don't give advice. you're doing more harm than good.
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>>543510805
they are bad for solo queue
overpowered for duo queue
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eternus isn't real
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>>543511043
>If you aren't the bare minimum of [exactly my rank]
Fucking wew
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>>543510413
>feels like im a support bot
thats paige's entire identity. she's the dedicated discord kitten character, kinda like yuumi from league.
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>>543511518
>discord kitten
What?
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>>543511570
egirl
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>>543511570
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>>543511570
e-girl playing duos with her e-boyfriend.
in games they play supports for their sugar daddies, always following them like theyre chained to them.
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>>543511439
>>If you aren't the bare minimum of [exactly my rank]
I get you're low elo for a reason but are you retarded, why would anyone call their rank the bare minimum instead of just glazing themselves and setting the bar lower
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>>543511895
Because why other draw the line arbitrarily at asc 4? Unless youre asc 5.
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Losersq is real, even in deadlock.
Three games in a row where I objectively performed the best out of anyone, including the enemy team, dominated lane, mid and late, and still couldn't win because my team refuses to listen to my calls, is incapable of not throwing the game, and generally just plays like a bunch of freaks.
Also, can we finally fucking nerf mina. For the love of god. How does she keep dominating every fucking game she's in.
Early she can chunk you for 200 by landing 5 shots every couple seconds, no items. Mid she can roam the fastest besides maybe holliday and mirage, while still maintaining disgusting damage, safety and being able to oneshot anyone with her ult if they dare spend a single point of stamina or dare step out into the open (which is required to progress the game btw). Lategame she's still a fucking menace, regularly executing people at 1k health with her rake, still provides insane pressure with ult and is still unkillable thanks to her 2 being a busted fucking ability. The only saving grace preventing her from completely stomping lane is ethereal shift, but that means fuck all when she can buy it too and wait out her 2 cooldown in it, so she's even more unkillable.
All mina players should be fucking shot.
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>>543508531
My body is a machine that turns low enemies into missed ults
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>>543511518
I miss pre-rework Yuumi. actually skill/player expressive, different yuumis had different playstyles. now there is fucking NOTHING on the character and riot has gone on record saying "we don't want skill expression on Yuumi"
in what universe are you not instantly fired for saying something that retarded?
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>>543510805
The big streamers have panic attacks if they're not playing Haze, Mina or Infernus.
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>>543510805
How come they see so much play in regular games but never in night shifts?
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>>543510805
so TA was gaslighting me when he was saying migu was bad xd
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>everyonr says mcg is bad
>mcg dominates in Ascendant+
>everyone says turret-mcg is bad
>turret-mcg dominates in Ascendant+
McGinnis denial is real.
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>>543512350
Because they're a focus target in Comp, but ladder != comp, even at Eternus level.
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>>543512063
lmao i didnt even knew yuumi had a rework.
did she had a different W?
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It's me I'm the one saying miku is bad, I'm trying to make you stop playing that annoying fat cunt
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>>543512652
I WILL play my shortstack goddess, and (((YOU))) CANNOT stop me.
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>>543512609
No, they fucking lobotomized her.
her passive is no longer a shield, it's just a rakan shield.
auto range reduced to 425 (LMAOOO you are NEVER detaching)
she has a "best friend" mechanic now meaning you're cancer nerfed if you attach to anyone other than your ADC.
her ult is just a heal that slows now
her q locks in place after half a second.
she kept her w but now she has 0 reason to detach because she can now proc her passive with q.
genuinely nuked the characters skill expression into the floor for no reason whatsoever.
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Who is Miku?
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>>543508534
This is a MOBA, not a roguelite, so I believe that would have a chance of being good.
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>>543512883
some woke weeaboo bullshit
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>>543512883
Yamato calls McGinnis MikuGuiness because of her Japanese accent when pinging her. so people call her Miku.
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>>543512757
Is she short? I never noticed
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>>543512993
She's tiny.
Less than even Paige's height.
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>>543512757
>short
ok
>stack
where?
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>>543512992
I see. Thanks
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>>543512757
I'm sorry I cannot see mcginnis as a hot shortstack girl. She’s built like a brick.
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>>543513074
I guess I never realized when my own main is three apples high
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>>543513108
>>543513160
She's wearing loose work clothing, but you don't have that shape unless you're STACKED.
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>>543513338
Post the nude "shape" of that actress from game of throne, the big woman, you know the one. Can't believe writers went woke and didn't let Kelvin marry her...
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>>543513338
This girl has DDs at minimum.
Look at the shirt.
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>Migu with a dress
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>>543513990
She looks like she could break doorman in half with those arms
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>>543513990
>how could my miku be this well endowed?
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>>543514164
>focusing on her arms when she has tits as big as her head each
You gay, bruv?
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>>543513990
that's a man
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>>543512757
>shortstack
>yeah I want my son to be a manlet and my daughter to be cocksucking height
Get a better fetish
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>>543513990
Such a masculine artstyle who likes this slop
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>>543514274
All grills have tits, but few of them have guns
>>543514519
Nah you're just gay
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>>543512757
She's literally built like a Irish housewife.
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>>543512503
True, ladder is higher skill because less boosted shitters
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I guess it's natural to yearn what you can't have but Neon Prime's aesthetic looked fucking sick. I kinda wish they would have just un-DEI'd the heroes and stuck with the cyberpunk thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQpXTwxu7tY
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>>543512503
Dynamo being a focus target is ideal tho, he has the second highest hp at max boon
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>>543508531
My body is a machine which turns winnable lane fights into getting bluetooth parried and killed
>>543515372
Its generic and overdone, Valve were right to scrap it, too bad many DEI heroes still made it in. The only thing which makes this map appealing is the lighting.
Also seeing Bebop and Yamato unchanged is surreal
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>had a dream where I started being gay for shiv
uhhhh what
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>>543514274
You'll never guess what those arms are supporting.
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>>543488070
I FUCKING LOVE CHEESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>543515372
Like that other anon said, the sci-fi is painfully fucking generic. If they kept it this would have been another lawbreakers
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how the fuck do i play pocket i just tried a game as him and got bent over and raped every time i tried to engage
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>>543515372
I love the Nvidia monument.
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>>543508531
I've only played one match of Paige, and while incredibly annoying in lane and her ult being really useful - I feel that she's pretty boring to play.
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>>543516638
He starts with -15% spirit resist so spirit shielding is even more op on him
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>>543516239
>aiby
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>>543515372
That is the most retarded setting for a MOBA you could possibly choose. It makes way more sense as fantasy or modern "superhero" type setting because it's so much easier to design and create spells. If you wanna make a competitive game in a sci-fi setting you make something like CS or NeoTokyo instead. Just a shooter with some futuristic shit like invisibility and augmentations.
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>>543514968
Does this help
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>>543514164
Doorman's waist is as big as her bicep
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>>543515372
I mean with Hyenas (I think thats what it was called) and Concord both dying I can't imagine anyone was confident in another scifi hero/movement shooter.
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waiting for priest so I can play the game for witches and devils are real and I must avoid them.
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>>543514968
KYS gachafag
Go back
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Mystic shot abusers deserve a BAN. No fall off is clearly a bug and yet these shameless shiesters act dumb
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>all this talk about Miku's tits
The real question:
>turret Miku
>gun Miku
>hybrid Miku
?
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who is the ryu(fundamental white bread) of this game?
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>>543518765
futa miku
preferably pounding doormans bussy
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>>543518782
Infernus, ironically.
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>>543512196
Haze isn't considered that good at top level. Not bad but not amazing.
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>why do u care about rank in an unfinished game?????
THIS is why
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>>543518765
cute snep
for me it's """"""""""Hybrid""""""""" where my only purples are QSR/Merc mac and MAYBE a tier 3 charge item if i'm feeling it.
otherwise, it's mostly cancer splitpush gun build.
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>>543518629
It's not a bug because headshot booster used to have no damage fall off either and then they gave it some, if they felt mystic shot deserved it they would've done it already
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>>543518765
I dont know who needs to hear this but hybrid is meta on literally everyone
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I’m an aimlet, I think it’s cringe that mystic and resto shot are their own projectile that fires off cd instead of an effect that procs on the next shot you make when off cd.
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>>543519076
>hybrid on Haze
>hybrid on Victor
>hybrid on Paige
Uh...
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>>543519001
Yea im sure, that's why there is 10/12 players running it at a high level. Because its intended and honest
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>>543519087
>shot you make
shot you hit*
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>>543518765
i personally run her basically-almost-turret but with titanic mag + cult sac and if we have very small opportunities for killing objectives i pivot to mostly gun with vampiric or blood tribute, basically keeping all the heal-related spirit shit and using my turrets and heal as stat boost+hp spam

>>543513717
her heads fucking tiny lmao, i kinda wish they kept her welding mask i think it'd alleviate that problem a bit
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>>543519186
Yes
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I like when i can be in front of enemy for 10 seconds but after i press quick melee button the enemy goes back in time 1 second and parries me.
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>>543518843
Infernus is an overloaded piece of shit
Haze is a better fit
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>>543518782
A bram's.
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Patch today.
>Seven buffs
>Drifter buffs
>Infernus nerfs
>Paige nerfs
>gun items nerfed over all
>gun scaling reverted
>Victor buffs
>Halloween shit
>no new heroes or hero models
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>Abrams vs
>Mina with Mystic shot
>1 bullet hits me for like 119
>then she body shots me 4 more times
>-400 early game after mystic burst + love bites procs
>never allowed to kill her because she has pocket satchel on crack
>ever go into melee range
>plink plink plink into rake
>19 septillion damage taken
>her 2 is on a shorter cooldown than my charge (charge is 42 second CD btw until tier fucking 5, because FUCK you abrams)
>even if I do bait her 2 she can just float in the fucking air with her parasol
this character is miserable to play against
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>>543519186
I have actually seen a hybrid vic do well before.
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>>543519781
A bunch of characters feel like they either too op or you're trolling by picking them. Depens on what the latest patch is.
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>>543519737
Patch are always on Thursday also
>no mirage buffs
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>>543519781
Most Mina I've played against lately have been easy bully early desu. Use cover better.
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>>543520061
I truly don't give a iota of a fuck about your low elo anecdotes, thanks.
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Does anyone ever buy decay besides shiv?
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Why do people think Rusted barrel is bad?
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>>543520061
Mina, like Haze, is only good in lane if the one playing her is part of the "aiming community."
Read: aimbot.
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>>543518782
Warden
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le sigh
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Why did they add Bebop to the game? No one likes playing against hook. It's annoying. I thought they were trying to learn from its predecessors.
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>>543519983
>Patch are always on Thursday also
No?
The 6 new hero update was on a monday, and balance updates can come any day of the week. I think they just ship the updates when it's done.
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>>543520282
elaborate
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>>543520237
I just play M&K, very good against Mina early as long as you aren’t retarded
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>>543520393
He fell for the "Trophy collector is bad" Eternus meme.
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>>543454910
Oh my anime its really cute because the girl does that, tsundere type.. oh Im such a weeb hehe
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>>543519983
Mirage needs a rework that gives him skill 1. And makes skill 3 not gay. And also gives reason to use ult.
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>>543518765
ULT MIKU
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>>543520237
You like stats? So you acknowledge that Mina has one of the lowest win rates in the game
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>>543520607
are you retarded or just pretending?
this is talking about laning and how fun she is to play against, not winrate you retarded knuckledragging neanderthal.
maybe read the reply chain before spewing out your garbage post.
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>>543520061
>of course you can lane against an overtuned safest hero in the game
>just cover from every shot
Why are minigger downplayers like this?
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>>543520284
They did learn, they don’t give him a hook AND make him a tank with a form of lockdown like thresh and pudge. Not learning would be like if hook + M&K or Kelvin ult were on the same character
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The true deadlock red pill is realizing you don't enjoy the laning phase half the time
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>>543520798
Mina players in their elo (Read: shitlow) don't use their 2 at all, never touch rake, build dogshit meme items like fucking burst fire instead of coldfront, mystic burst, improved spirit, mystic shot so they consider her bad.
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>>543520897
Explain his death laser then
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>>543519186
Hybrid Vic gets a ton of value out of Leech, and can keep targets slowed with Point Blank while damaging them with aura at the same time.
Hybrid Haze gets really good spirit scaling, and doesn't have to buy ammo items.
Hybrid Paige can toss out waves of split shot pages through a rooted team and they die.
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>>543521007
>just build the same items on every hero

Eternus was a mistake
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>>543520897
He hooks you then CCs you again with uppercut.
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>>543521040
Up close is where you can best counter it man. Just run around him. His ult is annoying but it’s not actually got much synergy with his hook.
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>>543521167
>pick burst assassin
>absolutely flabbergasted they're pidgeonhold into building exclusively spirit burst
yes, retard. that's how it works.
stop building dogshit gun items on mina, you're fucking trolling.
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>>543521007
>coldfront, mystic burst, improved spirit, mystic shot
I'm in pisslow and this is all I'm seeing on Minas, ever. My suspicion is this has to be her most popular public build as of today.
>never touch rake
More like use if for free sustain in lane in the combination with resto shot/heal rite. Oh and don't forget an accurate gun with decent firepower for easy secures/denies. She's one of the, if not the most miserable hero to lane against.
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>>543521235
I'll take a knock up over a root, stun, or heavy slow. Especially since it’s a particularly high knock up that you can use to escape. I'll admit it combos well with the bomb but genuinely he’s not as bad as most hook characters.
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>>543521235
Uppercut doesn't lock you out of dashing anymore it's one of the most piss poor "CC" abilities in the game. Holliday's barrel and Lash's maxed out Ground Strike do more to stop you moving
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>>543498583
this is a good way to get yourself hardstuck btw, youll spend the rest of your days in oracle watching your team make mistakes while you make none yourself because you also dont make any decisions that arent passive
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>>543520607
>last 7 days
>boosternus
>winrate posted against ''being fun in lane'' talk
No argument was presented, opinion invalidated
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how can anyone have more than 50% winrate if half the people lose?
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I just want to say I disagree with everything all of you have said.
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>>543521408
>can't short trade in any sense due to her wind up on her gun, turrets deal sustained damage and wall does nothing
>when laning phase is ALL about bursting/big chip damage
yeah, checks out.
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>>543521598
think carefully
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>>543521598
by having impact on the games that leads to a win.
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I just want to say I agree with everything all of you have said.
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>>543521598
Wardenbro btw, forgot to mention
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>>543521618
Just post feet already
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>>543521796
obsessed
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>>543521796
Speaking of warden whats the lore reason his ult is bigger than the actual ult model.
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Defend siphoned health being returned to you as fucking HEALING
>Hit scarabs
>all the stolen health is just returned as healing
>meaning scarabs do 0 damage
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If bebop were designed by any other game he would have the hook, Abrams passive, Mo ult, and warden root.
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>>543520259
The winrate is bad because people buy rusted barrel to fight the most broken and retarded characters. Then those characters win anyway (due to being broken and retarded) and people think it's rusted barrel's fault.
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>>543521374
Mina is a movement tank, not a burst assassin
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They should add a ram ranch hero, a hero that benefits from getting FUCKED
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>>543513074
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Mina should spend HP to reload.
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>>543522041
I think scarabs are just a weird choice for him regardless. HP steal being on an M1 instead of a brawler.
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>Mina is a movement tank
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>>543522168
abrams heals from taking damage
with the bara body type to match
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>>543522198
This isn't Bloodborne
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>>543522084
>mina is a movement tank
Explains why i want to ignore the rest of the team and pound her.
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>>543519246
maybe because its one of the 2 gun items spirit heroes benefit from?
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>>543522215
He is a brawler tho his whole kit benefits from being bruiser-esq, only the retards(everyone) build m1, his dps is shit
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>>543522176
Oh right I don't play the game
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>still no blink upgrade
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>>543491473
Anyway what happened because i remember few days ago Shiw was just raping me ass in every game with just his knives and was unkillable but now he's ass.
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>>543522025
Some quirks with the engine and the way it calculates coordinates. Could even be leftovers from the quake engine the source is based on
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>>543520758
Your post could be read to imply she's OP as a character. It's tangentially on topic you stupid fuck
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>>543522589
Nothing has changed you're just going against Shiv with different team comps/worse players
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Abrams is overpowered when he lands his charge
But he's also underpowered when he misses
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Abrams vs Billy up close, who wins?
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>>543522989
Whoever doesn't whiff a parry wins
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>>543522989
Assuming neither can parry then Billy wins
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most games I play tanks & bruisers but in this one the only one that really clicks is mo and krill and I don’t know why
probably because I dislike the melee in this game?
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UH OH!! song of silk is getting called out on reddit. Is he done for?
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>>543523158
victor feels like the only proper bruiser in the game so far desu
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>doing well in a match
>oncall duty pops, shit is down
>have to leave the match
>turns out it was a 2 minute fix
fuck this gay earth
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>>543523158
>probably because I dislike the melee in this game?
No actually the real reason is because you're very gay and can't stop thinking about gay sex
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>>543522989
Billy.
every. single. time.
the flat HP gained from being blasted along with his absurd gun damage means he will always beat abrams and his chunk damage.
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Anyone mind throwing me a Billy build that isn’t 70% m1?
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>>543523369
how are you supposed to play deadlock without being gay? You need to love getting fucked to enjoy this game.
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>>543522989
Billy but its really more of parrying question then anything else.
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Lategame deadlock should be all the characters creating massive spirit power Kaiju and having an epic battle that destroys new york
Everyone gets a really cool spirit Kaiju, except lash just makes a giant lash
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>>543523559
>duhh anyone wanna give me a haze build that isn't 70% m1???
that's the fucking point, bro.
billy does less damage with heavy melee than he does spamming quick melee and m1.
you should always be going M1.
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>>543523623
By being a foid, clearly.
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>>543523559
the fuck you want Billy to be?
he doesn't scale with spirit in any way
you either punch or shoot
green just allows him to punch or shoot longer
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hey guys can I get a haze build that isn't 90% m1?
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>>543523865
support Haze is a thing in pro level
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My smurf is now higher rank than my main.... anons what do??
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>>543522989
the bull rapes the goar
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>>543523940
Get a couple friends so you can finally have more friends than smurf accounts
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>>543523675
>>543523743
I just like his 1&2 a lot is all. Chill.
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>>543522989
It depends on if Billy has level 3 bashdown or not.
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>>543523865
yea
Get one thats 99% m1.
>>543523913
proof so i can troll my limestone4 teammates.
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>>543523940
kill yourself
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>>543524003
But i made this smurf account to play with my low rank friends :)
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This was such bullshit. I didn't know that Geist's ultimate could be interrupted.
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>>543523940
stop being a kike
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>>543524160
>F5
wtf? Surely that's some mouse key and not the f5 on your keyboard?
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>>543524160
i don't even know if theres actual instant casts in this game but yea, because it has like 0.5 second cast.
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>>543523940
Well, anon, that's your main now.
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I'm the last man on earth who buys Bullet Resist Shredder.
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>enemy doorman dies in the other lane
>his corpse ragdoll falls into midlane for some reason
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>>543523664
Just buy Colossus bro. Also Naruto is fucking trash. I read the entirety of it this year.
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I like mystic regen and decay but I’m shit with mid-late game shiv who else do I play?
>>543524284
Had a mcginnis I was against earlier grab it.
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>>543520428
explain yourself now
>>543520061
kill yourself before i genocide your entire family, cuckold
>>543519781
whoever designed her deserves death row
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>>543524827
SLUURRPP
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>>543522989
Depends on the build, spirit strike lion rapes the goat
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>"I gotta go bye"
>stays in the game
why do my teammates keep doing this? are they ignoring their responsibilities?
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>>543525378
Are you sure they're not saying they're just leaving the area
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>>543524254
F5 is a mouse key for me. I use it to refresh pages.
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>>543524160
you probably should have just waited at the veil instead of the corner.
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>>543524340
I saw spaghettified Billy today.
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>>543479810
That's why you should go to the forums and let your feedback be heard instead of complaining on a nigerian underwater basket weaving app.
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>>543525378
They're counting on you to hard carry them ! You have the responsabilities ! You are not letting your teammates down, are you ?
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>>543527582
>billy is doing the betty spaghetty and you're still focusing on last hitting as he fades away
Come on...
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>>543524284
Resist shred just isn't that great early on for gun damage and it doesn't build into anything
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Victor was brutal.
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>>543527582
I got melee-killed by Paige at the 35s mark on Victor the other day and my corpse literally flew horizontally all the way from green, through mid, and to the wall in yellow where the creeps were.
My shame was displayed to all.
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>>543482450
Stop buying splitshot.
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>>543527791
Victor is either a punching bag or carries the entire game, there is no in-between
I had a game where two teammates just left after feeding their lane, and we somehow managed to win the 4v6 games 40+ minutes in thanks to the Victor and the rest of the team being competent enough.
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How do I do damage as kelvin I feel like a slow/heal bot.
>>543524448
M&K can brush off a lot of poke, have decent burst, can shut down m1, and if you can get in close your ult makes her a free kill. You just have to play around cover/veil.
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>>543482450
I'm a heroic aura truther in m1 heavy (both sides) games.
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>>543528475
Level up grenade + mystic burst
Beam when they try to come towards you/are stuck in the open with no stamina. The guardian stairs are a very bad place to be caught by a kelvin.
Don't beam at long range if they can escape easily because the damage happens over a long period of time.
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>>543512024
Minas entire identity seems to be of a hit-and-run type character, her character select implies it, the patrons comments implies it.
The problem is that she deals way too much fucking damage and her ult is one of the most bullshit, privileged, retarded designed ults in the game, it does everything completely on it's own without any item whatsoever.
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>>543482450
splitshot is over hyped on her
i like fleetfoot on her since it helps with roaming, running away and placing your root
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>>543528958
The fact that Mina can use her 2 during ult is a huge oversight. Her 2 is the biggest problem with her, mainly due to how low cooldown it is, how much it disjoints, and how far it goes.
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>>543482450
Split shot should be sold after a certain point anon
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mina's 2 getting the extra use should be locked behind the tier 3 upgrade
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>>543529157
She should only get a second use after the third upgrade.
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>infernus on my team had the lowest damage
Just hold left click
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>>543527791
I can imagine
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>people are still crying about mina(12% winrate)
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>>543529656
A morsel of food for your team, milord
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>>543529834
Nein!
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>>543529430
>"the character with a sub 46% win rate in ascendant and above needs to be COMPLETELY GUTTED because my retarded nigger chimp brain can't maneuver my mouse pointer to a 1600 soul item and then proceed to press one button when encountering them"
the game will die if people like you keep playing it, you need to leave.
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>>543529656
this is probably one of the most fucked up scoreboards i've ever seen.
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>>543501625
Im you but better because I actually pushed the objective and won the match
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>>543529656
Evidence #10381 of Hybrid superiority
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>>543488070
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>>543518615
Gacha artists can actually draw feminine women. Just say you like men it's ok.
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>>543530019
>the character with a sub 46% win rate
The average player is retarded, you shouldn't have free two dashes simply for existing. Other heroes like Abrams need to invest significant points into their abilities to have them actually function like wall slam > stun combo.
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>>543529834
>>543530037
This game was fucked up from the start and it went as followed:
>Start in left lane
>Partner leaves to trio in right lane
>Dominate the lane by myself anyways
>After laning phase EVERYONE went to blue
>My team dies
>They push walker
>I killed them all alone
>Repeat the last 4 steps 4 times
>Get rejuv by myself
>Win the game by steamrolling them
It was just a silly and fucked up thing really
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>>543516483
How does this even happens? Do you just chainfeed into a walker until it goes down?
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>>543527791
Oops, looks like a had a bit too much fun.
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>think their Haze is hacking because dude literally doesn't miss a single headshot
>open replay
>turns out he's just a zoomer on 3 different stims at once because I've never seen a more twitchy motherfucker
>not a smurf too because his account has hundreds of games
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>>543530325
Gachashits draw moeblobs, not women
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>>543531673
Turns out he was actually Shroud using 3 different aimbots that were all fighting each-other for control.
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>>543531510
Why is it in every elo the wraith player is ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS 0/10. These fuckers must be actual NPCs
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Gamer dads being perplexed about people with better mechanics than them will never not be funny.
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>>543531947
Shitters always gravitate to carries
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why is this in a mirage build, it doesn't even proc on any of his abilities lol
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>>543531673
thats the thing. the better you are, the easier it is to cheat and get away with it
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>>543533161
ya, hiding cheats is a skill just like anything else
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>>543532573
Can you tell me what the 2nd most item from the left in that build is anon? Please read that item and see what it does
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>>543532573
I keep seeing ppl buying it exclusively for mystic shot. They go shot-burst-improved spirit then cheese max range
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>>543533161
Phantom match btw
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>>543533303
>>543533319
oh thx i was trying everything but didn't know items could proc other items
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Why do drifters always have the biggest fucking ego ever?
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>>543533497
Proteus effect.
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>>543533424
watched for less than a second and could tell it's cheats
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>>543533497
character gets high KDA and high KDA = i'm the carry suck my dick
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>>543533424
i could tell he was cheating in the first 3 seconds. but then that camera-cut esque ult was just the icing
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>>543506741
you need to modify your gameinfo.gi file every time there's an update
the instructions should have been included in at least a few of the mod pages
or just use the mod manager
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>>543488070

Love to push and farm enemy jungle
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>>543533461
I actually hate this combo because its the same on like half the roster

I know why they do it, because you can peek for 0.5s and chip for 150dmg max range, but I still prefer to just get cdr+ qsr earlier
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>>543527582
Italian mafia got him.
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I wish Geist 3 was a more bursty kill confirming type skill. She has a lot of tick damage/harass but spirit Geist lacks a good "execution"
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>>543534402
>spirit Geist lacks a good "execution"
Indeed, spirit geist is a bit of a meme because she lacks the ability to captitalise on her damage. Hence why gun+mobility Geist is good
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>>543488070
Here's what playing objective every game and only joining fights that have an objective involved looks like. (Phantom 5, 52% WR)
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>>543533424
No anon you don't understand, you're just a gamer dad with no reflexes and this guy here has a better gamer chair and a gamer mouse.
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>>543524827
If we get more of these maybe Deadlock has a future
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>>543488070
Pretty impressed with mine since my main is so weak in lane.
If you guess it right, good for you.
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they need to shoot mina again
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>>543488070
Lol
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I'm going back to college, fuck you guys.
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>>543533424
What? He missed several shots
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>>543536129
Age?
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>>543536182
Why do you do this? Nobody falls for this low level gaslighting. I suppose it just dogwhistles other cheaters but this site is anonymous, its literally pointless here
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My last match was lagging so hard that the Steam Replay recording got corrupted. I can't accurately show what I saw.
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Man I love the barriers. Protects you from early lane burst and somehow tilts your opponents into making a mistake.
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>>543536339
29
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48 hours
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>>543536859
Lmao
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>>543537061
they should push street brawl this week because i'm bored
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>>543531947
wraith is pretty much exclusively played by bad players with an ego that think if they drag the game out long enough while hitting npcs and ignoring the enemy team everyone will be really impressed when they show up and left click everyone to death
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>>543529658
saw that whore in half together with whoever designed her
the only reason her winrate isnt up to 90% is because of retarded subhuman nigger waifufags with sub 20 iq who play with a single hand because they cant control themselves at the sight of a 3d gook in a video game
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>>543537324
She's in a balanced state now. Previously she could get her love bites t2 and still heal a fuckton with rake in lane, now she has to choose one or the other.
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>>543536930
bad idea bro
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>>543537456
fuck her and fuck you
make her ult cancel when she dashes, then she'll be sorta-fine
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>>543537494
No it isn't bro
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>>543537324
I guarantee whoever is posting this wouldnt be able to maintain a 50% wr on her
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>>543499646
A lot of the cast would look better if they stopped trying to colourcode everyone.
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>>543537738
Nta but it 100% is bro
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>>543538013
sadly colourcoding is the only way to keep this game anyhow readable
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>>543538231
Elaborate
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>>543537324
Based, total minigger death
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>>543536930
fucking loser
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>>543488070
DUUUUUH ME RETARD
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDHP07omUmE
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>>543499646
I don't see the mod's appeal, the coat makes Abrams look more interesting and imposing, why take it away? Its not coomerslop either because he seems to be fully dressed up just without his coat so what gives?
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>>543536930
good luck bro, fuck all those other shitters
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>>543539479
Jelly poorfag
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Part of me feels bad about being a Mo and Krill main, like I should be trying harder, being better. Then I play and I win 60-70% of the time while always being top 3 minimum and then I feel better. Love these dudes.
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>>543539612
>Its not coomerslop either
It is, you just can't see it because it's not targeted at you
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>>543539621
Thanks King, I will design a deadly missile in your name.
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>>543539824
Then its a tasteful coomerslop
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>>543539735
I love Mo and krill but it's the most frustrating thing when nobody does shit when you combo and in the post game screen you see that you somehow did the most hero damage on the team.
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I'm in love
https://deadlocker.net/mod/mod_1760896618155
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People really don't even try to hide the hacks anymore do they. I swear I can't wait for Icefrog to die and for Valve to finally get a modern anticheat. Literally - every single mother fucker who complains about kernal anti cheat is either a cheater themselves or a retard who's stuck twenty years in the past. So, you know, Icefrog. The person I fucking hate. I am so tempted to start experimenting with this korvaaski aimbot or some of these random unknowncheats hacks. Just god damn.
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deproy the inhausu
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>>543540231
Farr back!
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>>543539735
Mo and krill takes more skill than mina
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>>543540190
cute hat
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Can someone explain why people shill Backstabber so much?
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>>543524827
it's kinda insane how little vindicta art there is this is one of the oldest and still the best
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>>543540231
It's still a bit early and I'm finishing a coda lich right now. Host it now if you want though if not I will in like 30-60 mins
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>>543540141
It works both ways unfortunately.
>get jumped, burn most of my cooldowns and ammo just trying to survive
>krillmo speeds in to help
>goes past 2 people around 3 corners into a building to ult a full health shiv or something
>dies, cries and whines in chat
Dyanmo tards are even worse about this
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>>543540190
VERY nice hat
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who sould i main?
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>>543540282
its akshually purr bak
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>>543540685
viscous
t. >>543530238
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>>543540729
sumimasen
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>>543540436
Idk i dont get it, most people will jump dash backwards so they can shoot and run. I see high ranks get it tho so maybe I am missing something
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i'm on the fence about putting backstabber in my build. it seems good but i feel like you almost never actually shoot people in the back because you can walk backwards at full speed so there's never a reason to actually look away from an enemy.
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>>543540851
>>543540917
rolling forces your character to face that direction, and backstabber's "accepted" angle is absurdly wide.
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>>543540190
Honestly a hat is all she needed
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>>543540436
>muh damage
It lowers bullet resist, gives you and your allies a speed boost, and makes the enemy visible through walls (genuinely useful especially in pubs)
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>>543540397
>>543540597
>>543541406
gay guys lol
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i did unethical experiment on jacob
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>>543541637
Ah so its just people overvaluing movespeed again

The sight doesnt matter and the -resist doesnt matter early(when you buy backstab)
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>>543541764
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>>543542094
negative resist is damage amp
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>>543542271
Ye and its worse than alternative damage sources until later in the match
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>>543541846
Since when did you pick up drawing, Vyper?
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>>543542394
wrong because negative resists apply to your teams damage as well my little nigger
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>>543542556
You can earn a good buck tattooing in jail
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>>543542578
Ye and you aren't teamfighting until later in the match
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>>543542556
>>543542606
I would love to see Vyper in prison lovely sketching pictures of Lash.
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I played two games with Seven and i found my performance beyond subpar.
Is it a Victor issue, where i genuinely need 40k souls to be relevant, or is there a secret im missing ?
Beyond my team being dogshit, i felt my impact was very marginal, despite the damage numbers being alright.
>inb4 don't play Seven he's dogshit this patch
Yeah i took him off my selection but im still curious
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>>543542671
backstab is litcherally an item for skirmishers(I am a different anon that jumped in because you are wrong and dumb lol)
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>>543542696
Fucked up when Vyper turned Lash to stone to fuck him
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can you escape doorman ult without using stamina? assuming you don't have any movespeed items.
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>>543542775
I dont think I am and im pretty sure just getting firerate is better
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>>543539612
>>543539824
at least for me as a dood It's just simply /fa/
don't get me wrong. I also love the coat. but a white dress shirt with the sleeves rolled, tie, and suspenders is just such a good combo.
Sometimes I use one, sometimes the other.
Also the back of the jacket is a little bland at times, especially because Abrams is built like a fridge. giant blue rectangle.
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>>543542850
no but thats kind of the point, doorman ult is one of the best designed abilities in the game(I think hes a nigger character btw), his ult offers a lot of choices to the opponent and them being deprived of knowledge of whats happening outside the ult is part of the decision making process

anyways I main pocket so I usually just suitcase it and maj leap away
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There's too many people using my internet, I cannot deadlock
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Lash and Bebop? Gay for each other
Mo and Krill? Gay for each other
Infernus and Hank? Definitely a gay relationship
Doorman and drifter for some reason? Gay for sure
Vyper and Paige, lesbians
Ivy is trans
Pocket is trans too
Abrams is probably also gay btw
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Missed the only actually trans character, sinclair
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>>543542908
listen anon I get it, the item has a lot of invisible power that isnt represented with a damage number, its an item built with purpose, and if you buy it to sit side lane and jungle farm its value isnt apparent
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>>543543074
i don't think deadlock is cool enough for this to be true.
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Holliday's 5th husband? Me
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>>543543074
Oh yeah, Seven and Kelvin are also gay
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So what is a good damage number for a T2? Just played a drifter game and bought backstabber early.

I think it's good. It's obviously not gonna be good on heroes who don't flank or people don't run from
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>>543543074
okay but mcginnis is actually gay for real tho
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>>543543231
Holiday's 5th husband will be Victor.
She's gonna steal him from Paige and Mina.
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>>543539612
He looks more detective-like without the coat in a way. Fits the picture of the detective laid-back on his chair and feet on the desk pondering about his murder case while having a smoke.
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>>543543202
Lol, Im literally a qualitative analyst(meaning i work with invisible unmeasurable things)and im telling you its got an identity crisis. Flat damage alongside shred, its trying to be an early and late game item and failing at both
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>>543543419
Victor will finally have peace after the Troubador kills him too
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>>543541764
This is patrician hour you're not welcome
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>>543530535
>Do you just chainfeed into a walker until it goes down?
yes except that instead of feeding i fly away (i one-trick ivy)
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I want Abrams to take my case if you know what I mean
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>>543543590
Troubador can't kill Victor.
Victor canonically cannot die.
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>>543542850
I don’t even know if it’s possible to do without dashing if you have no movespeed
If you’re getting hard targeted by him and don’t want to waste all your mobility you can also just buy counterspell and parry right as the timer ends and it’ll negate the damage entirely
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If they ever rework viper i hope the goofy tail clipping stays
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>>543544230
lizussy...
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>>543543369
She's actually bottom right of this chart.
If pocket really is theythem, it's because he was traumatised by her molesting him.
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>>543544021
Just kill him twice, works in my game
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>>543543363
it doesn't really matter what the overall damage is, backstabber helps out a ton in lane and also helps with chasing people down
it's very worth on drifter
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>>543544559
This is canon btw
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T4 torment pulse when? This shit is my top damage half the time.
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>>543544602
Gameplay and lore don't technically align perfectly.
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>>543540231
1D94B
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First game has a cheater, second had a leaver on my team, third had a leaver on their team. fuck my life.
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>>543544679
its called transcendent cooldown
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Spirit Shielding or Emblem?
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>>543545174
depends if you need extra spirit and if their damage is burst or constant
shielding is shit against burst, it procs after and youll be left with a shield that doesnt get used but is on cd now
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Pull back!
Pull back!!
Pull back!!!
Pull back!!!!
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>>543545335
purr bak!
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>>543545174
spirit shielding all the way
>>543545298
it depends, vs. geist it's bad because she'll trigger it from 10 miles away and not follow up. but vs. heroes like lash that might want to stick around after their burst to try to finish you off, it could save your life
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>>543543419
>>543543590
speaking of victor.
when he first came out I REALLY liked his character design and his whole shtick of self-damge/baiting damage. I liked his voice and interactions.
I was even thinking about maining him.

Now that he's been out for a bit it hurts to see that at least in the eyes of the community he's kinda become the posterboy "w+m1"' character that takes no skill.
When you hit a bunch of headshots, or get a bunch of kills with good positioning in a team fight, people just brush it off as "wow you farmed a bunch and pressed 3"
I want to disagree, but people are kinda right. He's so cool, but his gimmick doesn't make him a "cool" character to fully main or play against. bummer
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>>543545335
I'm going in
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Need help on yella
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>>543540231
>>543544810
Game crashed or something while I was afk. New code:
Q5CDS
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Lash is missing...
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>>543545516
I feel the same.
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>>543544679
yeah it's by far the most overtuned piece of shit item in the game right now
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>>543543363
Id rather get mystic shot or slow bullets or weakening headshot or swiftstriker or fleetfoot or kinetic or hell even opening rounds
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>>543545516
So here's the thing: fuck what retards think.
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>>543545875
>not eshift
???
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I see the Doorman
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Miku Guinness is missing!
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>>543545875
you guys really cry about the most random inconsequential shit
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>Abrams
>jump in with my ultimate
>tanking everything, as God intended
>quick 180, see 4 of my teammates standing BEHIND the bridge
>voice comm "you guys gonna jump in?" while getting shot at
>teammates ACTUALLY start moving forward
sigh
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>>543545174
Both
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>>543546131
thread makes a lot more sense when you realize its seekers complaining about the last thing they lost a game to
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>>543541846
you somehow made him look like an Arcane/LoL character
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>>543546131
it's a 3200 item that consistently does top line damage
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>>543543369
she used to be in neon prime, now shes into shiv
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>>543546648
this is the most midwit post of all fucking time
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>>543546760
retard
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>>543542923
In his previous model the coat had some glowing lines/runes on the inside. Those weren't immediately noticeable but they added to the mystique and the setting.
A guy like that is bound to get into sticky dark magic induced situations, so having a favourite coat decked with magical wards fits the character, wish this little detail was back.
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>>543546648
No it is not retard
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>>543546823
I accept your concession little nigger
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>>543546717
She got her cure, good for her
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>>543546918
>>543546951
crutching hard on one item I see
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torment pulse is like 40 dps
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>>543546648
fake Moira damage
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>>543547071
the only item I crutch on is maj leap
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>>543540231
>>543545775
Game keeps crashing so somebody else is going to have to host the lobby
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torment pulse has the hidden downside of making juke closets completely unusable because it'll attack people as they walk by and give your position away.
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Torment is only good on a handful of hero

Mo and krill, victor, and Mina the movement tank
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>>543546157
>not comming BEFORE going in
Speak up if you want to be heard
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>>543543596
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>>543544230
I honestly think the only reason the vyper model has legs was so they could reuse ivy animations.
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>>543547087
let me guess, you need more
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>>543547652
dont let this impressive torment pulse performance distract you from the fact this guy did 15k damage in 30 minutes!
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>>543540190
stupid ass hat
vanilla outfit looks better color-wise
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>>543547652
>low gun damage
>kudzu bomb top damage
Ok this is a troll post my fault
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Victor is actually pretty honest hero overall. A simple bug fix to aura eshift (and maybe another eshift nerf) would be more than enough to bring him down to earth.
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>>543547310
dude I was an abrams ULTING into the center of the action, that half my team was staring at, and the enemy was shooting at. it is IMPOSSIBLE to miss it. the enemy team which had at least 2 people on less than half mind you and no escape cooldowns. The one initiator of your team shouldn't have to tardwrangle you into following him into initiations, especially not ones as good and low risk at it was, as they had no walker to back out to. But in these middle ranks people don't think because they're so scared
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>>543540190
The underumbrella red is still too high contrast. Doesn't fit this outfit or the default.
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>>543547768
you win by destroying objectives, killing more players than you need is a waste of time
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>>543547994
woah the objective slaying echo chard torment pulse ivy!
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>>543547886
surely they're going to make eshift disable aura effects in the next patch...
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So... no Halloween update today?
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>>543547890
Do you think people aren't busy with anything else except looking at you and what are you doing at any given moment?
>The one initiator of your team shouldn't have to tardwrangle
So you did nothing and you're already out of options. Seriosly, noone pays attention to you even if you're playing an initiator, start communicating or don't complain about your team's lack of telepathic knowledge of your intentions.
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>>543548647
>victor
>drifter
>mina
this is the halloween update bro
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>>543547652
>torment pulse on ivy
youre not high rank are you
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>>543548894
>>543548894
>>543548894
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Test.
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>>543548764
>do you think people aren't busy
they were all poking each other stupid retard. this is why I initiate so they can actually jump in and kill shit, but they, just like you, don't realize this until you punch them in the face with it. that is why they are in these ranks
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>>543544230
>>543544429
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>it's another EShift on Victor
>or Calico
>or Pocket
>or Shiv game
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>>543548240
>cancels goo ball
>doesn't cancel pain aura
yeah nerf this shit yesterday.
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>>543540436
you just suck at proccing it, my backstab damage is usually like 2k for the game
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Why is everyone playing ult ivy. Literally 5 matches in a row with someone on ivy doing this cringe ult build, it doesn't seem good at all but seeing it so many tiems makes me think some jewtuber is popularizing it
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>>543555021
Having fought an ivy with lightning scroll, that shit is cancer.
Is there ways to deal with it ? Yeah
Did it stun half my team every time, effectively losing us every teamfight ? Also yeah.
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>>543473271
0 deaths if not stomping is a bad thing anon. It means you didn't take any risk at all and fight for objectives. Dying before 20 minutes isn't that big of a deal as long as you deal objective damage or win fights.
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>>543502851
Utility is stronger than damage because it's less effected by changing the numbers. CC, flight, and a solid fucking dome is not something you can really scale back before you should start thinking about changing the kit entirely.
Meanwhile Seven only had one utility spell. everything else was damage.



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