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>>543617690Yeah, maybe.I don't have the recipes for it, though, so I'm stuck with slime, plant, rat, octopussy.How does alternating work/improve? Am I at risk of crossing the threshold if I do too much slime mutagen? I couldn't figure out what serum vs mutagen was, but I kind of guessed the serum was how you chose to cross the threshold.
>>543619857In Bright Nights btwinb4 roguelites btw
>>543619857yeah, serum is twice or three times as powerful for twice the input and can put you over the threshold randomly but requires a syringe, while mutagen takes up a lot of volume and mass but can be drank straight and won't ever put you over the threshold
>>543619992Ahhh. Slime mut is pretty cheap at least. But I really would like to get those purifier shots put together. There's a shit ton at the sarcophagus, I guess. I've got the radiation scrubber CBM, but it's fighting the micro reactor- Ten tablets of Prussian and Potassium though. I'm gonna do it anons, wish me luck
>>543621979do you not have a cleansuit?
>>543622052....love u bby
>>543622162turn that into an AEP suitthat's my primary armor for most of the game
>>543620115all right, i figured it out. you put the no filter lower, and then you enable it when unloading from the truck. disable it and sort again to sort things into piles.
>>543622162I've got a hazmat and an ANBC too, but I don't like the looks of that encumbrance. I'll keep an eye on my rad levels and just come back if I need em.
>>543622950the encumbrance is fine for what you get in my opinionthe AEP suit is important for dealing with things like fungaloids and anything else that attacks environmental armor like the cold
>>543622474Zone: Dump will take anything that doesn't have a filter zone to go into nearby>>543622213Awww shit son, all that for 10 encumb?? And I can put my survivor helmet back on? Say less son.God, I hate how I miss all these episodes. I spend a few minutes scrolling through my recipes every so often anyways but it seems like all the good stuff gets past me.I'm gonna see if I can put together a laser rifle or improved magnetic rifle to replace my coilgun before I go, I keep putting that off. It's pretty solid anyways, but there ought to be something better, right?
>>543623203Ah, no helmet. Oh well. Still pretty snazzy.
>>543623203>there ought to be something better, right?there is not. at least, not something you can build in a shedthe rail rifle is pretty close but is heavy and loud and single shot. think of it like a crossbow that makes things explodelaser rifles you can loot are close but don't have the armor penetration of the coilgunI haven't found the H&K G20 railgun yet but it looks pretty good>>543623326you can wear a helmet with the AEP suit
>>543623203>100% coverage, 21 cut, 28 ballistics>enc 10LMAO baby nights indeed
>>543623717that's not even the selling point of the AEP suit, the survivor suits are better than that. the AEP suit is great because it keeps you dry, has partial radiation protection as well as 6 acid protection and 9 environmental protection
>>543623717
Wait, what the fuck? They removed the ability to change world settings? WHY???????
>>543623602And it's single reload. Sweet jesus, fuck me. Yeah this is kind of ass. I'll try it out, hotkey it to R for faster reload. At least it's not a Heavy Crossbow. 800 fucking move to reload, fuck's sake.
>>543625281t. bigot
>>543625281No way this is real kek. I'm still playing on Stable two versions ago.I literally refuse to play with anything lower than 64 evolution. Seriously, fuck the 4 evo. Whichever fuck (Kevin) made it up should hang himself.
>>543624478>Paying 16 Encumb for only 15.00L storage Your line is weak anon, it ends with you. Please loot better(I should add project packrat, it's not worldgen or anything I don't think)
>>543625281Stop being a religious edgelordism and antiseptic and enjoy the trans inclusivity, chud.
>>543625623>Please loot betterWhat are you on about?DDA is so easy you can get mid tier loot in like 2 days. Besdies, when you're inside your death mobile nothing can harm you.Speaking of mobiles, they really should fix the base mechanics. Currently playing anything but a nomad is dumb, because of the portal storms.
can i add the no-idpol mod mid-run?
Alright, one last treat in case anything scares me too bad, gonna cycle over there and smoke my Prussian.NOW wish me luck, anons
>>543625802Do we have cool stuff in the game yet? Like mutating so hard you can literally throw those at monsters with the same impact firing it from a weapon would?
>>543625281>Wanting to have fun>In DDAAnon, I........
>>543625281surely it's explained in some PR
Oooh fuck oh no help me I need a PibbiePol mod pleaaase>>543625864I dunno man this is my first run.After the first three runs. Those were test runs. Just uh, practicing the controls.
>>543626093Good. Have fun, enjoy it, Anon!You'll never experience the same fun and thrill from your first few runs.Try not to savescum for the first 2-4 runs. Then do it to your heart's content as you'll find most deaths are due to bullshit.
>>543626024Lol. Lmao even
>>543625281Just wait until you see another neat changes...
https://youtu.be/-13LUfagQhY?si=7IJA2eUmFAesOR7B
Aaaaaah
>>543625623does it also have nearly best in slot armor on top of 15L storage?
>>543626683Bro, they're adding tens of different variations for vibrators, anal beads, anal plugs and whatever, but God forbid we want a non-gay sex toy.And you're shocked by a random furry?
It's literally just a perfectly good farm. Like, all the chimkens ran off but that's about it. Still shepp and cow and honse and steam engines and an honest to god harvester for the fields. There's a pond off in the NE. Instant homestead, damn....Found 60 40x grenades in a supply drop on the way to the sarcophagus. Big detour. Krabgeks are magical creatures but they don't drop anything and butchering them is like butchering a human, which are just a different variant of "dare you desecrate a fellow human's remains for regular meat/fat by products that you already have in spades?"I wish I didn't have to go looking through the source files for this info, though.
>>543626358Practically chewed my fingers off trying to look up how mutations work on the Discord and seeing "idk it's not a good system" "how does everyone handle it then?" "lol savescum, just alt+F4 if you get bad muts" the last time someone asked.Absolutely bucknasty motherfuckers with no respect for the laws of nature.(Long ass pseudo-RPGs like this and Qud should have saves in- Tome even does, and though it's not as long as an eternal Cata playthrough can be, it's nowhere half as buggy, huh?)
>>543626683So we're clipping leddit posts to crusade against the Idpol Scare? Literal McCarthy ass
>>543628986Mutations are a thing I personally highly dislike. The playstyle is just too overpowered and the idea is boring.I personally like playing a purist human and just surviving in a dying world.However yeah, do not bother with the Discord. The people there are more racist and hostile than 4chan.Kevin unironically tried making it so your files corrupted if you tried save-scumming. But it was so overwhelmingly negative, even for him, that they reverted the change, lol.
>>543628821it's part of a questline, allegedly
>>543629107Enjoy never being anything close to a woman while you stick the new anal beads up your virtual and physical ass.
>>543628821Yeah, this is a retarded quest that shows how broken the factions are in dda.Basically a random dude from the Refugee Center will tell you to go check or give something to the owners of this farm.Only ONCE you get the quest do the NPCs spawn. And even if there is no one there looting and doing stuff counts as stealing. It's really dumb.
>>543625281Literally play anything else. CDDA has been downhill for over 5 years ago. In the last 2 it was freefall.
>>543628986read mutations.md in the docs folder.tf are you doing
thank you eyebot for your delicious delicious delivery of free superalloy that I have no use for>>543625359>makeshift ferromagnetic rail rifleoh did they nerf it or something?looking it up and they changed it a bit, looks like a buffthe rebar rail used to do more damage but have less pen but they realized that was stupid because nothing on the planet actually requires 30 armor penetration
also yes, it looks like they reduced the damage by 10, increased the loudness by 50%, increased the dispersion, and gave it a magazine instead of being true single shot like a crossbow
Well, there's a Server Stack here (gayyy). And I can't get in. And there's a Computers (10) book with the recipe to print access cards, which is nice (though I've got 4 or 5 of each so far).Brought a jackhammer but I didn't realize I needed so much charge to drill down- Or that I needed a tree log/rope too, but it makes sense.>>543629271That would explain why I couldn't get in.
>>543629276...I do enjoy being a man, yes.Usually I have the woman stick the beads up my ass for me, though. That's kind of the point of having a woman, anon.
>>543630597Yeah, it's not the worst actually, particularly since I hotkeyed it to r so I can just press r-r to reload faster. Steel rails still have 30 pen, kek>>543629403lmao>>543630094Literally CBT to find, but yeah. Thanks.
Man you know your build is cool when you enter the boss room of the astral dungeon and you kill the boss off-screen in the first turn lmao
>>543633690>kill the boss off-screen in the first turnI'm guessing the cosmic flail went crazy? I don't see how anything else in that build would do that.
>>543634251Cosmic flail plus berserker plus doom from skull helm
So many of the little turquoise eyes were spawning and dying that the self damage from berserker took out like 75% of my health, but I could heal all of that back with a single prayer.
someday I'll make my own Cataclysm fork
why is book of poetry (36) less valuable ($0.50) than TIME Magazine ($1.00) ?
>>543635721nobody reads books
>>543408053>Here is the idpol removal modthanks a million, anon!not just for the mod, but for writing it in a way that i'll be able to update for future mods. the way i was thinking about doing it was totally the wrong approach
not so cunning now huh
>>543631959oh you've found the Military Encryption book? that's so important and a very rare find, congratsthe best way to level computers always has been books>>543631959I don't think trying to dig into the vault is a good idea...have you activated a prospecting pick while you're there to make sure there's actually something down there?
>>543642238I don't think the MP5 is the right tool for this job but okaytry getting closer, the MP5 is really really good in CQBI've engaged entire farmhouses full of bandits by simply aiming at them faster than they could aim at me with it, good times
>>543643038It's the one gun I have
>>543642860It's two z-levels deep and after the first construction operation I couldn't figure out how to build downstairs again.The first one needed no items in the tile and open dirt. The second one, I'm sitting staring at rock floors and solid rock wall in every direction and I'm trying to figure out how to dig down one more time, and I'm thinking maybe I can construct something and deconstruct it, right?But firstSince I can make C-4Just for fun, I try some C-4."Maybe it'll turn it into dirt or a pit or something- Some guy said you could spread gravel to make stuff craftable and that tracks with the kind of broken paths Cataclysm has to construct stuff"Anyways, C-4 blows holes inbetween z-levels and there's a sarcophagus code down here so I guess I can open another one if I find it.Gonna see if I can wire some solar to the grid here and get the elevator powered.
>>543633690You're really banging out the Peltast wins, huh anon?
>>543651654Doubt this works, but I've got it all connected.
>>543653653Noooo you can't just rewire the elevator to have power, I don't care if you've studied every textbook, certification manual and reference sheet known to mannnn you have to do the quessssst noooooSo fuckin gay lmao let's see what's behind door number 1 anons
>>543626474>>543626024It is explained, someone linked the PR here when it happened awhile back and iirc the reasoning is so that new players don't get confused and tinker with settings they really shouldn't
>>543654234Gotcha, ya lil faggot. You're coming with me.I should've just checked the collapsed towers, I can see like three from here. Fuck's sake.Little fuckin piece of shit.God damn, let's break for lunch, check some emails and get back to it.Anything else in here that's good that I should look out for when I load the save back up anons?
>>543635721same reason menstural pads are worth more than contact lenses, antibiotics and ammoBig tip, a sleeper item is diamond dental grills because whoever added it forgot that they were supposed to separate pre-world price from barter price resulting in it being quite valueable. Not sure if the other dental grills are also as valuable.
>>543656193Classic
Finally! I can craft an anvil. what suspense. first, i was driving along the edge of this highway, next to a city. It's a narrow path between the highway barriers and the city, a road is there, but there were massive hordes all on it. I weaved and dodged, pulling them behind me. There was no way i could go back that way so.. i went under the highway bridge, and smashed down the highway dividers. I was planning to smash all the way through, but, a portal storm hit halfway. So I got on the freeway, drove until I got an exit, then did a night raid on this home improvement megastore.
>>543655658that can't be right. we're talking about something called advanced world settings. new players aren't making advanced world settings changes.and besides, there are loads of properties which are straight omitted now. like construction speed.
burn damage is so poorly implemented, no easy way to disable eitherThe building is 2 floors and 2x2, only 1 corner on 1 floor has the damage. You go upstairs and its completely fine in that corner and is pretty much a floating floor.
>>543663931>Floating floorFrom what I've heard the contribootors can't figure out how to do structural between "never crashes" and "catastrophically explodes if you remove one tile too many"Lack of cohesive central direction and purpose ig
There we are, that's the take. Figure I need a new base to sort all this junk into.The dam would've been cool and thematic but honestly I need more space. Not sure where to move, I just know I don't have the space- I've got 2,000L of storage space in the hoopty so this is three trips, at least. The real pain in the ass is gonna be picking up all my shit out of the basement (I really could've just moved in to the first floor but there was a furnace in the basement I wanted to use without zombies seeing me through the windows on the first night and it snowballed)I dunno that any of these locations are more or less convenient than another, at this point. Maybe I'll go check out that light industry attached to the warehouse/data/medical/powersubstation, that's a weirdly complete area- I've heard light industry locations have some machines that can process planks/etc better? I found a workshop with planers and stuff early on but didn't realize I'd just get machine parts if I disassembled them.
why were the zomborgs protecting this
they're always grouping up in hordes like this.what's the response?
Is there a reason DDA now takes like 5 minutes to load into the game?
>>543661670where did you find the railroad track?theres a steel mill way to the north of me and im hoping theres a railroad track thereeither that or take the leap to get the shit together for a bronze anvil
>>543684198It was from a steel mill. You can also get them from the subway. The ones in the mini railroad won't work btw, I tried that.bronze anvil, that's crazy. you'd need 90 bronze. where will you get that much copper? I made a mace and I'm thinking about what other weapon to use. I like the ones that are very stamina efficient, like short swords. I thought the Khopesh was pretty good when I tried it. Which melee weapons do you recommend?
>>543682125Under the hood, it's running a voodoo ritual to give you Stockholm Syndrome so you won't switch to a less terrible fork
finally!i had to murder a thousand zombies but i found an unlooted gun store, with an aim game target practice kit
>>543677223>>543677223>9,000kg of lead>You have to break it down all in one go, 16 hours, fox only, final destination, kill yourself
>>543681896Use boom. Or fire. Or just walk away at a brisk pace.>>543682125They don't want you to Alt+F4 too often. Why are you seeing the loading screen more than once, when you start a new run, anon?
>sound stat is the sound your character hears, and not necessarily the sound you are makingholy shit, literally spent 2 hours trying to figure out if there was a bug with my character alongside looking at documentation thinking it was the sound your character makes
>>543655704no clue, show me the shift-v list of every item in view lol>>543675210>standpipe maintenance logoh shitholy FUCK that is a lot of mutagenI don't think plutonium slurry is useful for anything...god damn that's a lot of nanomaterial>need more spacebuild warehouse shelving>>543681896brick walls and a narrow corridor
anybody remember what the gracken's anger triggers are
>>543700838I don't think I've ever had one get angry on me
>>543701432it's nether attention, btwreason #45 not to get fucking looked at
>>543701550That would explain it. I had a gracken hang out on the road next to my base for ages, not bothering anybody. It reminded me of a base I built in either Fallout NV or 4 where a bugged ghoul enemy just stood there idling in the bushes all day while me and the NPCs went about our business.
how's stoneshard these days?
I love grackens
>>543687682>It was from a steel mill.sweet>You can also get them from the subwayi feel very retarded for not realizing that sooner....the only worry about the mini anvil is that it doesnt have anvil 3 because i havent actually looked up if it does or not lel>Which melee weapons do you recommend?the kind with rangedpolehammers, spears, glaivesbut i lean more towards piercing in generalnot getting grabbed and mobbed while wrecking monsters from two tiles away is nice (if you get lucky and find a pike that is)>the Khopeshfound one on my last save in an antique shop and it was breddy alrightwhat isnt alright is the quest im on right now for the hub 01 chick>have to take out all these monsters around the radio tower near by>cant hit em for shit with guns>they do ass rape electric damage at mid to close range>i ran out of grenades taking out the first group>go to get more nades from my car>more monsters than before have respawned by the time i get backgonna make molotovs and sling em from a mile awayfuck these things
>>543712243electrical resistance from any source you cango punch them to death
>98% cata postschrist
>>543720615be the change you wish to see, anonwhat rougelike are you playing that isnt cata?
I've never played dwarf fortress but I'm a bit curious about adventure mode, has anyone tried it?
>>543721263i wish it was fun but it's just not, there's not enough to do, you just meander around and visit places until you inevitably die, combat isn't particularly satisfying because it feels random even if it does let you get creative
Is graverobbing worth it? I remember getting a katana once from it and an M4 another time.
>>543721263I played a little bit and was no good at it. The gameplay loop for the only real "goal" is going up and down a river wearing crutches for a while to become a legendary swimmer and crutch-walker (you have full combat capability and mobility as long as you have a sword, shield, and crutch equipped in one arm) going to towns to ask kings for quests to kill bogeymen, then using the reputation from that to go to forts and convince double digits of soldiers to join your party and storm a megabeast's lair. It sounds cooler than it isI've heard you can find caves that go to the cavern lair but they're probably really rare
>>543722774>>543724691Damn, i was told the combat is fun, thanks for the warning.
hmmmmmwell
Having a hard time choosing between the Hub gear or the heavy ballistic vest. Bit hard to determine which one is better since all the armor inserts both have make it difficult to tell how good they actually are. For reference the heavy ballistic vest has all of its armor inserts damaged slightly while the hub armor inserts are pristine so the vest should have even higher armor values if I repair them. Wearing Hub gear drops dodge by 0.2 while wearing the vest drops it by 1.
>>543724691I've been to the cavern layer, it's terribly unfun. I was hoping to find some friendly lamprey-fish-men or something else bizarre to build a coterie of henchmen out of, but all I got was lost in an endless, samey maze.
>1st portal storm>crack in reality forms from it>star vampire immediately comes out and kills my character
>>543730792Fault, skill issue, filtered, git gub scrub etc
this is the dumbest shit to have in the game but i just know its there so some fag could make a glownigger assassin roleplay challenge run with it or something
>>543735374You don't want to be James Bond in the Cataclysm? Sounds low T to me, my man
>>543728643just check your armor after putting it on.
>>543735374can you make a deployable sentry gun out of it?
>>543720615yet you still post herecurious
I like cata posts, the game makes for interesting stories, and it adds some variety to the endless discussions of character builds for other games
Me too. Except for that one guy's posts, those suck.
really doesnt matter, but if you are autotraveling in cdda and the autosave happens, it appears to do one single turn in the middle of the autosave. i noticed i moved a single square in the middle of a large save.really the only reason im even mentioning this is because this would happen in S.T.A.L.K.E.R shadows of cherynoble. when moving between maps, while loading, the game would resume from pause for like half a second, depending on your load speed and system specs. youd see a flash during loading and see enemies spawn into the area behind the load trigger and ive had a blood sucker lunge at me during this. technically, you could possible die during the map change.
>>543721263dwarf fortress is a good video gameadventure mode is the "touring your fortress after you give up" mode
>>543720790>playing roguelikemaybe next month
>>543753103*year. After taking a bath.
>>543651824Also been playing Abdi.At first my goal was to get a win with every culture, class and god. The last of each category for me were morlock, upuat and azhdaha. think there are many good cultures but, when it comes to class and god, some options are just so much better than others.Ranged weapon classes like peltast and abdi just work wonders. They aren't as dependent on tanking and getting good room generation as melee builds and they are way faster than stand still and summoning builds. I can just right click a bunch of times and clear the room.For god I think apophis is easily my favourite. Amazing stats, prayers that recharge very quickly, more health on divine intervention, a prayer that gets rid of debuffs that could destroy a build. It's great.It's funny that on C32 I'm getting win after win far more easily than I did before, often the very first time I attempt a prestige.My current goal is getting more prestiges and also I've been trying to get wins with equipment I hadn't used so much before. I noticed like half of my wins had the red axe, which I do believe is the best melee weapon in the game, it's insane that the healing and extra attacks work without requiring you to 2hand it. Now I'm trying to use equipment that I rarely pick, especially the loot from beyond the astral wall.
The issue with Abdi is that the 2 range of the chakram is not good, so you depend on getting the jade pilum or the arja spear asap
wow. turrets are really good.i tried to get that auto-aiming thing set up, but it needs a specific part (turret control unit) and it's bugged - if you remove a turret control unit from another vehicle, it provides camera controls, not turret controls.also, turret kills don't give you EXP for bombastic perks.
Albaz good because it gives you a way to heal reliably with Apophis second prayer.
Throughout these C32 wins I'm also *consistently* having more trouble with the astral dungeon than with the king. I think it is because astral dungeons tend to be packed with small enemies with a ton of speed that shoot you from the other side of the map. Thinking of the fey archers (hate those fuckers), the red eyes, the blue eyes or the gold demons and the yellow queen.Ranged weapon builds with lots of Aim tend to have great single target damage but are lacking in mass damage. Frostpulse went really well here and since Apophis gets you super high strength by the late game you can have it without limiting your speed at all.
>>543651654>couldn't figure out how to build downstairs againyou need to activate your pickaxe to remove a tile of rock wall so that you have a fresh rock floor to perform the "mine downstair" operation, which is different from the "dig downstair" operation
>>543694169Maximal kek, I didn't realize that specifically (all I know is that the number is how far the sound travels from your position), but I dunno if I'd have had the same conceptionFun fact: Apparently there's only one type of scent in the game- Yours -despite the fact that scent CAN be handed multiple parameters for what type of animal can track it, etc. There's some deeply ingrained problem in that only one type of scent can be on a tile at a time.>>543694660I was thinking of "just anything that shows up in these that's good" but yeah. I basically ended up only leaving behind the sewer water and all the clothing/electronics/empty barrels.(I might come back for a few empty barrels though)The plutonium slurry can be fairly readily converted to plutonium fuel cells and then (primarily) into plutonium batteries from there. The limit I guess is that tin cans are hard to get ahold of and at 5 cans per craft it's kind of a bitch- Gives 5 cells but that's still a half hour per opened medium tin can/empty canister, no batch savings. (those are the only ones we can craft???)Looks like regional dumps, schools and hotels should net me a good chunk though. Or this mansion down to the south I've been meaning to get to.
>>543760823it also requires that you stand within five tiles of a 100 GALLON DRUM OF HIGHLY RADIOACTIVE PLUTONIUM SLURRY for more than a small amount of timeI never had an issue with plutonium fuel cells because I kept finding RM13 storage lab finales
>the first three crystals were dudsi was aiming for green (healing) but blue (teleport) is way better for survival, considering that 9/10 times when you die it's because you get crowd crushed
>>543760780Must be a missing CDDA feature in BN, I can only crack walls with the Jackhammer and Pickaxe activation
>>543761260>they removed mining wallswhat the fuckmaybe it's a multi-step process now and who knows what the second step is after cracking the wall
>>543761010I'm not a big dick lab raider anon, sorry. I keep clearing out a half dozen rooms, butchering for cybernetics drops and then having to take all my loot back and getting sidetracked.Think I'm closing in on it though, I just don't know which of the three I should try to finish raiding first.
>>543761226>it got ""updated""okay fine, i'm carrying 100kg let me just dump it all off and bring only my armor-->still doesn't workfuck
>>543761553make a big pile at each stairs up and use the "drag items on floor" hotkey to move every lootpile to the previous floor's lootpile in order bottom to top once you finish looting a lab, hope this helps
>>543758132>the 2 range of the chakram is not goodI normally play Abdi with Skeleton as my race and take Asi Malak. The points in Astral fix your range and negative starting resistance so you end up tanky as fuck. It does require 2H, but sometimes it's worth it since you can get extra range on any weapon.>Ranged weapon classes like peltast and abdi just work wonders. They aren't as dependent on tanking and getting good room generation as melee builds and they are way faster than stand still and summoning builds.A lot of stand still and summoning builds are just boring and/or weak for C32, but fwiw you can play projection as a built-in range 4 weapon too. It gets an extra hit per level so it's effectively just pressing space instead of tab to "attack" with your stand still build, and since it shows you when you hit an enemy, you also get maphacks. It can even be a prayer build if your god lets you pray constantly to activate it.The other ranged build to try out is unarmed. You can make it have as much range as you want and stack pugilism + herja levels to get dumb amounts of damage.
>>543761010Ah, but also I have a radiation scrubber CBM and these barrels are only dangerous if they're damaged(I think)(Plutonium does have LEAK_ALWAYS though which means any amount of damage will scuff you up, if I understand correctly)>>543761387Did some experimentingI figured it out, fuck it's byzantine and opaque. So I tried ramps, but those can only go UP from wherever you are (or down to an already started ramp)I figured out that the gravel guy was right, you CAN pour gravel on the floor and then "remove gravel to show dirt" because that second recipe presupposes that the gravel floor was built over a dirt floor (but the gravel can be poured over anything) and THAT gets you a dirt floor which you CAN build a downstairs into(I also figured out that I fucked up earlier, I dropped a tree on asphalt and spent 8 hours and some materials digging a "downstairs" on the dirt it revealed when I could've just use my jackhammer; Activating it on an open air asphalt tile WILL dig a hole), pictured SW, which you can climb in and out ofBut the CLEAR WINNER is the unhelpfully named "Quarry Ground Away" which... Is apt, if not helpful.Literally just point this bad boy at an intact rock wall and bob's your uncle.>>543761778...I'm definitely picking too much stuff up, yeahTo be fair, I'm getting a lot of distilling/etc tools and I can't remember what I've got. But now it's a lot of chemicals. I hauled a couple tiles worth out my first visit, I should calm down, I can always come back.
>>543763753yeah and the rare scientific apparatus you need to do high level mutagen science are only found in the lab
>>543761929>I normally play Abdi with Skeleton as my race and take Asi Malak. The points in Astral fix your range and negative starting resistance so you end up tanky as fuck.Very interesting>It does require 2H, but sometimes it's worth it since you can get extra range on any weapon.I still don't like that the chakram has no extra effects. The jade pilum can reliably get you many more attacks. And it would only need 2 or 3 levels in asi malak.>The other ranged build to try out is unarmed. You can make it have as much range as you want and stack pugilism + herja levels to get dumb amounts of damage.You'd also need that psychic skill that increases range of bare fists. Ranged bare fists + pugilism + aim + whatever else does sound really good. You will need a bare fist weapon or Oros though, but oros is a good god all around.Just had a blood-drinker win and I think that skeleton is the best culture for this prestige to compensate for the poor resistances. It has a ton of healing so albaz was kinda wasted.I did luck out with the astral dungeon being blood and the king being death, both elements to which I had peak resistance thanks to skills and massive strength.
That high master bleed plus the jade veil later meant that anybody attacking me got instakilled. Pretty funny and worked great against masses of small enemies.
Finally figured out where Exodii is. Down to the southwest
Why is Exodii a thing again?
>>543769525no clue I stopped carin about kevin's game so long ago rlg was still somewhat relevant
>>543769525To keep CBMs in the game when they removed all futuristic parallel-history content. Now CBMs are made by alternate reality weirdos on the run from the blob. Basically they were removing a bunch of Whales stuff for "muh realism" purposes, but knew players would flat-out riot if bionics were taken out, so the Exodii are their solution.
>>543771034That's the worst way to keep bionics in the game
>>543771763Well, yeah. Me, I liked Whales "present day but a world with consumer bionics and light sci-fi tech" setting, and was annoyed to see it all ripped out. BN kept most of it, though a fair bit was already gone before it was forked.
>>543772087I remember arguing with those bastards about it, but Kevin of course always swung his shriveled cheesy dick around to get his way whenever there was any pushback to his stupid ideas.
>>543774392I don't begrudge him that, personally. I dislike what they did, but he's project lead and it's his prerogative. I've been in that position before, and it's a huge, thankless, pain-in-the-ass job built on herding cats, and the one perk about it is you can sometimes put your foot down and steer the project in the direction you'd prefer to see. I just kinda wish BN had gotten more attention so DDA wasn't as much of the 900 lb gorilla of Cataclysm as it still is today.
>>543775092In principle I don't begrudge the idea of being project lead and using your authority to ensure the project goes well. My problem is the combination of the fact that he was trying to pave over the original tone/setting of the world (imagine someone coming in and trying to turn, I dunno, Halo into a fantasy game,) and the fact that he just outright has bad ideas and refuses to listen to criticism. A project lead can certainly be held responsible for his tastes making the project worse, even if strictly speaking he has the 'right' to implement them.
>>543758263the downside of >turrets are good is that pulping is still a pain.no hope used to make it that you didn't need to pulp. does anyone know why they changed that?
>>543777865just run them over with your deathmobile, if the tires pass over a corpse it gets pulped
>>543777865>does anyone know why they changed that?because of pulping being made tedious, so their reasoning is that now pulping is a difficulty hurdle rather than a chore. No rez mods from back in the day still work somewhat, just that the "emerging from ground" zombies will be bugged.
>>543778731my car is pretty light so i usually have to run back and forth a bunch of times.>>543779848it was always tedious, though? it's not especially difficult now, either. at a whopping athletics 3 i pulp most everything in seconds, no athletics proficiencies. if a zombie is 5 or more tiles away i can pulp before they get here. there's some tedium in actually doing it, and then there's tedium in quartering the acidic ones or the big ones that are slow to pulp.the only difference is that if you start with 0 athletics, it takes 2-3 minutes at first. but athletics is the easiest skill to raise.
>>543781598>my car is pretty lightthis seems like a solveable problem
>>543781715i thought about that. but. if i make it heavier, it will use more fuel, and fuel is pretty tight. It's something I would do only if I was able to make a lot of biodiesel.
>>543782119which fork are you on
>return to base>the freezer is turned offwhy does this keep happening
Does DDA still have that freaky mutilated zombie slave thing where you can chop off a dead body's hands and jaw and turn them into a packmule?
>>543782278reality bubble shenanigansyou loaded the freezer into the world before your powersource/batteryto try and alleviate this, the solution given by the devs is to have 4 batteries in 4 different corners
>>543782196dda
>>543782921I recommend killing yourself
>>543782969if i die, how will i ever become a woman?
>>543784661character select screen comes up on new game plus
>>543775620>A project lead can certainly be held responsible for his tastes making the project worse, even if strictly speaking he has the 'right' to implement them.Yeah, in open source land that's what a fork is. If enough devs agree with you then the old guy ends up all by himself. But there's a fair bit of inertia and the game with more players will also gather more new devs because devs usually are players first, so it's not perfect, but that's the option.
>>543785318You don't need to make excuses for Kevin, anon.
this place seems dangerous
>>543785318the dda devs dont even play their shitty changes they just test them with debug and call it good
>>543785712depends on how prepared you are, dangerous is an understatement for that place
>>543785504What excuses? I'm saying if you don't like what Kevin's done (and I'm with you there) the way to deal with it is to throw support behind a fork. Bitching about Kevin is not very productive, and doesn't tell people why they should play Bright Nights or TLG. Negative advertising doesn't sell, basically.
>>543787127i found some interesting loot, though. there's another level i haven't gotten to yet, but I had so much loot I had to drop it off.i'm not sure what these do, but they seem to be consumables. Is there any way to find out? I remember anon mentioning on here a couple days ago that using one opened a portal in his base.
>>543788894>28 daysthat's how long it took to get to "Feels fine" healthy when I started with six addictions
>>543788894>I'm not sure what these do, but they seem to be consumables. Is there any way to find out? I remember anon mentioning on here a couple days ago that using one opened a portal in his base.No way to know(in-game wise) other than testing and looking at your character screen for changes. They all can have random passive or active effects ranging. From passive stat increases or doubling hunger rate, to making a loud noise when activated or making the sun disappear. If you want to safely use them, never activate them and just figure out their passives.
Oh my fucking god I'm sharing a fucking thread with retards
>>543793169the teleporter tech mod was pretty cool
I never played with Magical Nights, isn't it really low-content next to Magiclysm?
>>543793169They were bitching about DDA, where I don't think it's a mod you can disable. Then again, they're still playing DDA when BN is right there, so "retards" may be fitting after all
>>543797442you should play it and let us know
>>543787127>>543788894>root runner and leech pods>breather>gozu>hunting horrors>wraith>100000 slimes damaging my 5-point anchor>my brand new load bearing vest is already XXthat's it i'm out of here
>>543812297where is that
>>543813219It's the floor just past this one >>543785712 where I found those artifacts >>543791980from what I can tell, they don't passively change anything. not stats or speed at least, that's about the limit of what I can tell with passives.
>tacoma ranch questline>you can whore your allies out, maybe even get them killed, for 5 merch/an hour (about the value of 1 story book)
>>543691921What, you just wanted to scrape a bit of lead off the side? Maybe saw off a corner? Too much of a baby to handle a REAL lead block?
>>543771034>bionics aren't realistic>so now they were made by the exodii>how did the exodii make the bionics if they aren't realistic? don't worry about itTruly brilliant writing
>>543812297What the fuck are those 6s? I literally just saw an issue like that get squashed in less then 24 hours after it went live on BN, what kind of animal forces you back to the ASCII darkages
>>543821374To be fair, the Exodii are humans who've been hopping from one reality to the next for decades at least, grabbing up useful technology and stuff along the way, and moving on to the next world when the blob starts to gain too much control. The world they originally came from must have been advanced enough to create portals and let the blob in, but could have been much more advanced
>>543830894>calling ASCII the "dark ages">on /rlg/Bruh
>>543832750I dunno man, it was ok when it was all we had.It was fine when tiles sucked ass, too.I don't even mind it in modern applications, but that's because they're not really doing "ascii" ascii, they're using ascii symbols along with advanced screendraw techniques to do opaque colors and stuff.I played Nethack back when tiles were esoteric magic and you still had to know what the fuck the difference between an n and an N was.I'm not eager to go back. The occasional Brogue is all I'm built for man.
>>543834113Spoken like a guy who hasn't discovered how incredibly wide of a field of view is playable in Cataclysm when you turn off those ugly ass tiles
modern "ASCII" is like those faggot indie games that try to do "pixel arts" with half the resolution of old SNES games so everything just looks like JAV
>>543835768What has that got to do with anything?
>>543834729This isn't wide enough for you? What are you doing that needs more than 40 tiles?What is this, like 98 by 65?idk maybe I'm just bade
>>543838000I can go wider, yeah. Can you identify monsters and objects clearly at that scale without needing to zoom? Because I don't need to zoom. At that scale tiles become little blobs to me
>>543838000Oh and as for what I'm doing, driving at decent speeds and scanning the area for anything interesting. Or anything else, I don't need to fiddle with zoom ever..
>>543821374>>543831771Bionics aren't even that unrealistic compared to the other shit in the game likeThe 5-point anchor, activity suit, RM13 combat armor, phase immersion suit and everything related to mutations
Which locations should i look for for arcana items? I already visited the basement of a curious structure and a sanguine ruin and almost died at both. I got a couple books from the former at least.
Who else is playing TardQuest?https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/1002337
>>543841564A specific house layout always has some arcana stuff in the basement so theres thatthe NPC faction will point you to some locations like the strange grove(take a gas mask and antivenom if you have some)Cathedral basements are another locationIf you ever see the shadow snakes or summon snakes then that indicates theres a location nearby
>>543841258 Mutations are the blob shoving weird alien physics and biology into our universe. They don't come from our reality, so the DDA team doesn't care if they don't match our reality. They removed bionics because those don't make sense as commonplace items in our present day world; on the other hand, an experimental dimensional-gate research lab that caused the cataclysm should have tools devised for that work, so you get the anchors and shit there, but you don't find them in military surplus stores or bank vaults or whatever. If you tried to remove those secret labs the setting would need to be rebuilt from the ground up, whereas moving bionics to Exodii merely inconveniences players, so that's an easy win for the anti-fun police.
>>543842337>A specific house layout always has some arcana stuff in the basement so theres thatIs it the same one as magiclism?
>>543842334Every day of my life bro.
>>543842569>69Digits check out
>>543842523>Is it the same one as magiclism?no, heres the rough layout
>>543843195I'll keep those in mind then, thanks man.
>>543830894>what kind of animal forces you back to the ASCII darkagesiirc it was something like sparkling lights. Not even a creature.undeadpeople tileset is gone from github so i'm just using the one i downloaded while back.and new dda experimental is adding all this stuff like dust overlay tiles.I should probably use ultica or whatever the dda default is but that one doesn't look as good to me. >>543842358>those don't make sense as commonplace items in our present day worldthey could have just made them rarer. we already have bionic hands and eyes irl.
>>543842334I dunno, that combat is looking pretty modal to me
>>543838550>>543838919I dunno, I haven't sucked all the marrow out so far yet that I gotta cruise highways hoping POIs spawn for powerarmor or mininukes or whatever, but... Really, on ascii all the monsters just kind of blend together for me. Maybe I'm uncreative but without offloading some of the creative burden I'm not fighting the crackling and dastardly electric mans zambino.It's just a blue z. Might throw a bolt at me I have to sidestep or a vortex, dunno. green green green mans, @- Human, feral of some kind, whatever, oh a BIG Z, three shots beep boopIt abstracts it too much, I've grown reliant on the pretty pictures.
>>543850745I've been playing rogeuelikes in ASCII since the 90s, my brain just fills in the details for me. Tilesets are like a downgrade.
>my brain just fills in the details for meIt's called schizophrenia grandpa
>>543851135Don't get jealous of my high-polycount mind apple, now
>>543820279Missions where you send out your allies are so not worth it
Cataclysm was made by Whales.
>>543851939Don't matter, Kevin's game now
>>543851939Humpback or sperm?
Actually man what is up with the magiclysm/BN stuff, I can't find shit for shit.I guess there's a cathedral basement that might be worth a look, but it's like four cities over. I heard cabins might have some books but all I get is derelicts. I found one wizard basement besides the one I started in (not even three blocks over) and ONE 2-tile house- But it wasn't the technomancer, just this piece of shit.I'm rolling in 70% of the CBM catalogue as my personal choice by now and enough mutagen to godroll.Where the fuck are the spells, anons??
>>543847543If by modal you mean classic, then yeah, it's pretty straightforwardExcept for things like the C4 brick, I mean
>>543854428No, he means "modal" as in it's a different mode from movement, IE, it's menu-based, which is not like Rogue.
>chocolate bar was inside a vacuum-sealed gas mask packagepocket system is ridiculous
>The safe beeps unhappily before powering down.>The safe beeps unhappily before powering down.>The safe beeps unhappily before powering down.>The safe beeps unhappily before powering down.>The safe beeps unhappily before powering down.
>>543834729amen brother
>Do LIXA lab>all enemies target the torso, with unavoidable spamming ranged attacks>drop gun and decide to just melee>eventually defeat the boss>instantly teleported out, with no time to pick up any dropped items...and there goes the rare .338 lapua rifle I had, DDA devs can't do anything right
>>543812297>root runner and leech podsthose things suck so bad they seem to really hate fire though makes em scatter and lose agrobut thats not very useful when you have to kill them for a quest>>543857808my favorite is finding hard drugs and cell phones in mre accessory pouches like the orangeade drink mix is loose in the same bag as some dudes meth AND his phone
>>543869871these things are trivial if you have an ANBC suit or a faraday chainmail suit or any other source of electrical immunity
what the FUCK is this shit
>>543870889It's "what if Google didn't cancel Google Glass?" A cool sci-fi multitool.
>>543871483why does it have better encumbrance than the light amp goggles?why is it power armor compatible?what even is this GPS search ability?why does it have all of this AND function as a pair of binoculars?
>>543872845just the obvious answers to your questions. nta but it's pretty self-evident...
huh, I wonder what this mysterious dark patch is in the middle of this parking lotoh fuckoh fuck I'm going to be riding in style, huhit's a goddamn blimp
why not give it fucking bionic scanning ability while you're at it, jesus
>one month into the game>pressing 'list all items around player' at base visibly slows the gameit lags for about a full second
>>543876632scratch that. list all items is still instantaneous. it's the "grab all around player" that lags. and it lags for a good two seconds at least
>>543852316Look for wizard towers (just go near a city and look at higher Z lvls, magic schools (they might be called something different, it's been a while) and monster lairs (black dragon and fire spiders).Be careful when you go to lairs, spiders in particular, the bigger spiders are monsters in melee and the Queen is a massive HP sponge.
new roguelike just droppedanyone tried it?
>>543878920God I love roguelikes
>>543851350this
>craft software with a laptop>sun goes down>"You can no longer see well enough to keep crafting"how did every programmer on the game miss something so obvious?
Ok I think I had enough with ranged builds, plus I think I have run out of prestiges that work with that. I mean, stacking aim ad infinitum can make pretty much anything work but I'd rather not ignore a prestige's abilities, that'd be no fun.This stand still starjumper build worked out extremely well, but I did have issues with healing which I had to supplement by using the red axe, something I'd rather avoid if possible because it's just too good of a weapon. I thought roil and projection could work to heal me but most enemies would die before the hit was done. Maybe more projection levels would have made that work.Beith nochti is insane as always, the martial tree is busted as everybody knows.Basically every room was the same>stand still>kill every mook in the level>stack about 200-300 meditate and inflame>stand still again to get rid of the strong mooks that survived the first hit if there are anyKing and astral dungeon boss all went down in one stand still.I think the blue dungeon is one of the hardest ones and I had 0% ice resistance, plus the freezing is bad for a standstill build, and yet I pulled it off just fine.Earlier attempt at starjumper using ape instead of qamar didn't go well at all. More tanky but way too little single target damage, got btfo by r*bak.
>9 game turnsThat's actually funny
>>543886458Not a single person working on the game is a programmer.
I've never seen something like this before...I guess it's a military compound of some kind? let's find out!
>>543886458Can't deconstruct reinforced windows either, fuck this gay earth
>>543887273I love that about some builds, Instant Transmission no Jutsu included.The blood hadn't stopped running in the first room by the time you popped the KOMC's head off his shoulders
>>543892628don't fuck with the DoE in general, I would assume you'll be running into lots of heavy turrets and killbots
Holy FUAAARK Mercurial Gene Clinics are so profitable (when they're not already looted)
new roguelike named ThornSin
"pilot"?>>543895102there was a broken elevator, i'll come back later and bring a step stool. my car (4 x 300L) is full of loot already
>>543904140oh yeah you can drive mechs in this gameI think it reuses the horse riding code
Looking a bit enviously at some of these RV/Ambulance sized vehicles.I'm thinking about upgrading- I'd probably wanna expand the one I have by one row, since I just recently tuned it up and fully repaired every part.But maybe I should just bite the bullet and hop into one of these APC type military vehicles hanging around? I've got mechanics way up high, so I don't think there's anything I can't bang together.What are the must haves in the mobile deathmobile, bros? I've got a dozen solar panels, a reactor and large storage batteries for days. A freezer, a charger, a workbench, built in arc welder and I think a kitchenbuddy is a good start? That's like 5 slots spoken for already. God, I wish you could park a car in another car. I've been thinking about building a foldable frame bicycle for shorter trips, I think I'll put a freezer in at my base and then do that, drive over to the megastore and grab one of those military vehicles.
>>543625519I play on 0.H and will never update since I made some local changes, removing faggotry bloat one item at a time, rebalancing mapgen one special at a time.>>543625281>WHY?because you're not supposed to play the way you want, it's a power trip by soon dead faggots, many such cases
Why did they remove the Thick skin trait?
>>543857207Seems a little pedantic desu. The gameplay is pretty similar between games
>>543910452give turrets a try. i did it for the first time a few days ago and they're great.metal rams are also easy and fast, they protect your engine and the other parts too>big vehiclesif you have no lack of fuel, why not? those armored vehicles have a ton of storage. you can wire up cameras and get good vision. you can pull cameras from those armored military vehicles with two external tanks.i don't know about having a dishwasher and a kitchen, but bringing tools to resupply and repair is great.
>cdda now crashes when i return to base>update it>can't even turn it on now in my save
>>543924309Sick idea. I'm gonna craft up some CBMs and look into turrets. I've got a few cameras out of... Eyebots, I think? Or just floor loot. I'll give it a go.
>>543926703Crashlog goes in the Discord pussy.
>>543930381How would a discord pussy looks like?
so experimental cdda as of now:>highways are cool, i like them a lot>auto-pathing around highways needs work. sometimes it's great, but a lot of the time it needs babysitting>autodriving in general is a lot better. rarely ever crashes now, drives 40+ on straightaways>zoom in/out while autodriving is something we should have had LONG ago>new npcs and questlines are kino>MoM changes suck bigly. teleporter is straight useless, i grinded up to level 10 and i can't even use it wearing only my armor at max stamina and focus - let alone in a real combat situation. maybe you need max meditation, but i never found a way to raise it above 3: it seems those books are quite rare now.>npc base management is still clunky and weird. you want them to craft? make them follow you until they stand next to the workbench then C-A-C. do it every day when you wake up.>npc combat is.... better? they run and leave you to die if things get even a little spicy, but at least they aren't suiciding into hordes anymore.how's BN in comparison? especially the qol like zooming while autodriving. last i checked you couldn't even g grab all around, you had to always specify a direction... ended up using AIM most of the time which is so clunky
>>543934523How is AIM clunky? I find it very intuitive most of the time
>>543932931there's no such thing, don't be tricked
>>543932931A well worn tire.
>>543934920you're not wrong. it's intuitive enough and i use it too.but it takes more keystrokes compared to the grab menu for things like wielding and picking up. that's why i call it clunky. those are things you do a lot. for example, suppose you take out two large storage batteries, one is in good shape, the other one breaks into 2 mediums. i want to wield the large and put the mediums in my inventory. i press g to show all items around, then w on the large battery (RET to put away your weapon if you had one out), down with j to the medium, then l-RET to pick up the mediums. now i'm carrying all of the batteries. how would you do that with AIM?
>>543936547it could even be faster.g - w - ,grab menu for all around, wield the large storage battery (possibly navigate to it), pick up everything else.AIM has that as well but you need to be changing the destination and moving back and forth
>>543936547I would press g to pickup and then select all the items I wanted to pick up and the game would automatically shove as many items as possible into the inventory before asking me if I want to wield the remainder, and offering a menu to choose where to stash my current wield.If they're in multiple squares for some reason, sure. I've got to do extra pickup actions; You can only use AIM for wearables and not wieldables currently in BN, yeah.
>>543937886that's another thing. last i played BN, it didn't even let you grab from all around. what the hell? you do that all the time. sometimes yeah you want to specify a direction, but 90% of the time you are picking up from all the nearby squares.you end up doing something like, a shopping cart, or zones+autoloot, when all you really wanted to do is grab the antiseptic and blankets
>>543938506AMI is usually what I do if I'm looting into my inventory, or onto my square if I need to haul.I think the only thing it's missing is direct wielding, desu.
As a newbie, what are my goals in BN?Food and water are everywhere it seems so I don't really know what I'm supposed to be doing since 'survive' isn't really a sufficient goal.
>>543939724Actually finish the game, since it has a win condition.
>>543940000I feel like I might have wasted that but whatever.
>>543940000...which is? Any subgoals before I get to that?
>>543939629i wish there was a key for aim but it's a specific setting. ie A on right into I on left. since aim is versatile, i use it for other things and so i have to hesitate for a moment to check it's the right setting.i know it has a default but is there something like this?
>>543941275How do you mean?>>543939724Do some exploring. Get some nice gear, build yourself a vehicle. Crack open some of the more interesting POIs, progress up the crafting tree. Climb some radio towers to get a look at the map, go on the road and see what's going on.
>>543941783i thought i described it in enough detail. if there isn't, that's that
>>543637452You are very welcome. I'm glad someone found it useful.
>>543941275The key for AIM is / by default, how else have you been opening it?
>>543943032i want a key to open aim in such a way that it is guaranteed to be a certain setting.
Anyone got any hints for how to level electronics to 4? I'm at 3 right now. Can't find the skill book for it so I'm looking for things to disassemble.
>>543943369craft alternators
>>543943207Great idea post it in discord ok captcha MRHM0
>>543934523>MoM changes suck biglyCheck the authors github account, he has a few submods up to tweak it. Among them is removing the weight/volume restriction on teleporting. I run the 10x power exp one because I don't really enjoy spamming shit for no other reason than leveling a power.
What mechanics should i put in my open world simulationist non-fantasy non-dungeon-crawler RL
>>543886458Flip the screen light on. No it doesn't make any sense.
>>543948037how about a focus mechanic?
>>543820279You can drop all the useless shitters you end up with there for a week and come back to cash in and just drop them back to work again. I have no effective use for more three or four NPCs in my base, the rest print money on the ranch
>>543851932You're not supposed to send your personally handpicked and trained A-team there, send the useless eaters with single digit stats, negative traits and shit skills.
>>543943498Nice. Thanks.I need electronic scrap. Pretty sure I can get that from terminals, right?
>>543949862yeah loads of places. smash car dashboards etc
>>543934523>highwaysi really wanna try em but i dont wanna make a new save
>>543940498Travel to the main central lab, and toss either a mini nuke or yourself into the main portal and close all the portals everywhere.
>>543934523>>npc base management is still clunky and weird. you want them to craft? make them follow you until they stand next to the workbench then C-A-C. do it every day when you wake up.is there any way to make this better?
Jesus christ finallyLet's see what we got(How come salvaging a plastic golem takes 7 minutes and gives 1200 plastic chunks or whatever and disassemble takes 8 hours and gives 200?)
>>543954796Holy fuck dude, I usually get a singular scroll from those.
metallike
I have 26 ascensions in nethack, ask me anything about the game
>>543954893It feels like I got zero. Crazy dogwater. Yippee.I've heard there's a stamina to mana or something somewhere, idk
>>543964301I keep splatting my Deep Elf blaster runs, what should I focus on? Veh should be a great god to get 3 runes on, right? Do I need to really focus three schools? Should I bother training armor or fighting past like four or five? I know crystal spears can oneshot if I'm too low, but most of the time it feels like I end up dying after getting shafted or because I don't have enough immune-piercing spells or something, but I don't know how to handle that when all I have are spells.
>>543965272that's stone soup but I did 15 run + zig as a human conjurer of vehumet. I train magic to get my important spells to below 10% failure, then put it all on survivability. I had 27 fighting, 25 dodging, 19 shields, 11 armor at the end of the game. Fighting gives HP which is good. Dodging and shields are really good, I used a staff and buckler. Armor skill ac increased is based on the base armor of what you're wearing so its better with heavier armor I think. I only have 4 wins in DCSS so not an expert, although I have done 15 rune + 1 ziggurat on both melee and magic characters. Try to find spells to cover single target nuking, aoe, and survivability (mystic blast and blink are my main ones)
lbampu
I wish cataclysm has dismemberment
>>543978749that would be cool, sounds complicated though
I'm starting to get the hang of arcana but i have a question about earth weaving, it says it damages units in the way but what does that mean? I can't get it to actually deal damage.
check out my general>>543981957
>>543982339nice, happy for you
>>543982339Finally a cataclysm general
How do people stomach beet soup without throwing their guts out ?
>>543987479the people who eat beet soup also tend to belong to the same group of people who have an iron stomach from ingrained generational alcoholism
best soundtrack while cooking beetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFd7cp0po5g&list=PLCpFnSFl7aBeh4s4DF8Ki8qtKOGZ_Q-9x
Hades 2 a roguelike
how do you kill smoker zombies as an early survivor? outside of luring this dude alllll the way outside of the prison im not sure how to deal with him
>>543930134>>543924309electric vehicles are where it's at if you're just moving mass aroundif you need high performance it's better to go gas or diesel but electric vehicles are just so convenientit's the perfect excuse to batterymaxxx and solarmaxxx and just vibe with your enormous heavy deathmobile that has enough power for whatever stupid horseshit you're trying to do, and if you run out of power you can either read a book or fire up an auxiliary generator
>>543987479You just have a genetic abnormality that makes you hate the smell of petrichor. Other people find it pleasant, same with the whole soap cilantro thing.
>>543934523the AIM is good and I like itif you're picking up from all around you press 'a' while in the AIMhonestly I forgot that 'g' picked things up, I just use 'e' for that
>>543995641What if we've got the genetic abnormality, and he's the normal one for hating beets?Nah, beets are awesome
>>543934523your not getting issues with the autodriving making your guy do circles randomly? it seems to freak out with the autopathing sometimes and just does a 360 here and there>>543950530they seem eh to me. like sure its kinda neat to have a mega road that goes straight for long long distances here and there, but other then that its just an obstacle you need to bash/dissemble a route if your not going along with it
>>543996172It could also be psychological. It's possible if we forcefeed him enough beets he'd turn around and start liking them.Or maybe the stress of being kidnapped and forcefed at gunpoint would make him hate them even more by association.
>>543995641huh. is that actually a thing? guy, do you hate beets because it smells like earth?one of my lame questions to people is "what is a soup designed to be eaten cold". im sure theres more, but beet soup is like the one soup i know of, borscht.
>>543996687It affects lots of vegetables, it's the origin of the "kids hate greens" meme. It also varies in strength. For example I love beets but I can't stand beet greens. I can tell it's the same flavor I'm tasting, it's just much stronger and eventually I can't take it anymore.
>>543965272>what should I focus on?long blades for popcorn and defensesdo not underestimate how much survivability ten levels in dodging and fighting will get you, and survivability will let you pull apart big packs and blow your entire load on them>>543993657separate them from the packlet them come to you and then beat them to death while they're on the edge of their smoke cloud, then walk out of their death smoke explosion as fast as possible and find a safe space to hack your lungs out and recover from the smoke inhalation>>543996687the italians have a few cold soups like gazpacho which are pretty good
>>543997018Some people are also sensitive to the sulfides found in certain vegetables, like anything in brassica.
>>543996687Vichyssoise is delicious when cold
>>543996687I like cold tomato soup because I'm a degenerate.
>>543997773thats just tomato juice, but thicker. huh, i love tomato juice with a shotglass of tobasco, and i love tomato soup. im gonna have to try just drinking that shit straight with tobasco.for the cold soup replies, i sorta ment "only intended to be consumed cold". but those are new, so ill use those as answers in the future.>>543997018i always thought that was just because kids/babies taste buds were still forming. like babies dont taste salt for 5 months (dont get ideas ya sick fucks). anyways, taste is weird. like i love pizza, but hate stringy cheese, so a pizza where the cheese strings is nasty to me. or i hate cotton candy, or jam filled doughnuts, even if i like jam or sweet stuff. ive eaten enough stuff in my life i can tell within 99% certianity just by looking/smelling something if im gonna like/hate something (but ill try it anyways, im not a picky bastard). im one of the cilantro guys, but ill still eat salsa with it in it. it just not as good with it.
>>543999731It's very complicated intentionally, it's a benefit to the group if everyone has different dietary preferences.For example I'm one of the cilantro tasters, it tastes like soap to me, but I LIKE the taste of soap(I also enjoy stinkbug smells and grass clipping) so I enjoy it anyway! it just tastes different to me than most people so I have to alter the recipe because the secondary flavorings people use don't match what I'm tasting.
>>544000062was about to say the fuck is wrong with you, but then i remembered i like musk candy, which is a perfume ingredient, and before synthetic musk was invented, was collected from male deer gland, which is like a sac between the butthole and the pee hole or something. so i cant complain. deer taint tastes pretty great apparently.this needs to be a recipe in cdda. geletin, male deer gland secretions and sugar
>>544001103It's always an amusing reminder that most perfume is a combination of whale vomit, skunk asshole, and excrement.I think the secret is we're more like other animals than we pretend to be, and animals fucking LOVE smelling assholes and eating shit.
My life is so worthless I'm surprised it hasn't rogueliked already
Mmm, tastes like beaver ass.
There was a group of breathers in a lab, which for some reason passively release hot air 4 into their surroundings. This makes things very hot, very quickly. Despite having a liquid cooling suit AND the thermal dissipation CBN, I still couldn't stay in there for more than 100 turns without my character taking severe damage to all limbs.Cue a skeletal juggernaut showing up. He breaks some walls down, allowing me to hit the breathers from the ground floor (outside) with a spear. Great! So I start wacking these things, thinking maybe I can cull them down, but I quickly realize their rate of reproduction is incredibly high, you basically have to snipe the spawner because they split like once every 5 seconds. Although... I did notice my melee and piercing skill going up. After killing pic related breathers, my melee was 9 and piercing skill was 8. At this point the skeletal jugg actually managed to trample the real breather, and the lab eventually cleared of hot air. I killed the juggernaut, again, from the ground floor (his attacks were suprisingly weak against my heavy survivor armor, and I started looting the lab as normal. Already found plating CBNs and an autoclave!
>>544001290who doesnt take a cheeky sniff after scratching their own butthole, come on...
>>544001801It's basically not used anymore since the much cheaper vanillin was invented:>at present, the annual industry consumption is very low, around 100 kilograms (220 lb),[18] whereas vanillin is over 1.2×106 kg (2.6×106 lb) annually.
Well I've haven't found one of these before
Ummmm... did he always have Time Dilation 9????
>>544008567Why does every tranny game feature dilation and transition?
>>543964761quantum tunnel seems good.the big value is the greater wands of fireball tbdesu
>>543996496>your not getting issues with the autodriving making your guy do circles randomly? it seems to freak out with the autopathing sometimes and just does a 360 here and therei do get that sometimes. actually, i thought that this was deliberate - something about low vehicles skill. but at vehicles 6 it still happens, so it might be an actual bug.
Drank a bunch of medical/slime mutagen without checking the crafting time on Smart Purifier Shots.Takes like 30+ hours of being irradiated, burning through a million calories in constant pain to get 4 of the bastards mixed up. Jesus fuck, is there no part of this process I can parallelize and let the distillation happen or something?>>544009872Well, I guess it actually improves with levels, unlike Phase Door.
what spells to go for early on, as a blue mage in frogcomposband?
evens achraodds cata
>>544033294I'm sorry for your l->4Oh shit, nice! what's the first W gonna be, chief?
>>543938506>what the hell?That feature was implemented after BN diverged from mainline, and no one ever bothered backporting it.As a workaround you can just use the / menu instead
>>543939724You don't have any, that's the flaw in every Cataclysm fork.
>>544037102do you mean AIM? i bind it to i and don't remember the default, but another anon mentioned it as /.and it's a different thing. better at some stuff worse at others.
>>544033294rolling again
>>543939724if you want a challenge don't play BN, otherwise you make your own goals (this requires an imagination unfortunately for many here)
>>544037983What did you bind the regular inventory to?
The minimap dungeon for rogue-fp is shaping up better than I thought actually. It's still a little janky because it's still a first person game behind the scenes but with a few tweaks it's still surprisingly playable with just 2d ascii.
>>544048569>that f speeding across the mapscary
>your wheel is damaged by running over the sharp rocki've replaced three wheels in the last 15 minutes of playing
An anon mentioned a speedway in the last thread, is there anything good in there?Obviously I see a bunch of lootable solar panels (and there's probably some atomic cars to get plutonium from too) in the parking lot and some gas terminals near the track.Anything else special?
>>544060465Probably good car parts, I've never been there.
>>544055439>latest ddaoh and now your wheels get damaged if you run over zombies.i actually didn't realize it until the car stopped moving in the middle of a horde because it looks just like the ordinary "you destroyed by driving over it" messages.ended up replacing a wheel six times. I guess there's finally a reason to get armored wheels
>>544060465acetylene torches, welding wire, welding tools, and a ton of cars for parts. some rare cars can spawn there too, it's worth at least checing out.
>>544062421I can't say I much liked the idea of barely armored deathmobiles mowing down hordes but that kind of sucks ass. I still fume whenever auto-drive crashes me into a bush and it scuffs half my solar panels in BN
>>544044156capital imight be worth it to swap the two but... i use them about equally often desu
>>544064736B-but then what have you bound item comparison to!?
>>544037346Wrong, BN has a win condition
>>544067547To |, obviously(nta)
daily reminder to go out there and find someone you truly rogue-like
>>544063923I never put solar panels on the edge of my vehicles. That helps a lot I've found.
>>544062421Do road roller rollers still get damaged?
>>544067547item comparison? to Ctrl-C. c for compareit's pretty rare to use that key, though
>>544063923>barely armored deathmobiles mowing down hordesit's not like i was ramming much of anything. the turret did most of the work. car barely got hit but the wheels got trashed driving over corpses.
>play ToME>get blood of life>die>resurrect>quit and delete the character anywayThere's something deeply unsatisfying about have a second life like that.
>>544068507how many of you guys have actually "ascended" in BN?
>>544079887I haven't because I don't give a shit. I already set my own goals, then when I achieve them, I make a new character with a new goal.
>>544079887Me, several times, with both ways of doing it.
>>544080374you didn't beat the game
>>544085465Correct. Did you miss the part where I don't give a shit?
>>544079887I don't play BN to 'win' it, I play it to enjoy doing crazy shit in an open world game.
>>544086784>what i care about isn't...didn't ask. quitter.
>>544060465the parking lot can have 15-30 cars, if you want to use the welding gear to start a deathmobile or grind your mechanics. only other thing not mentioned was the gas tank. can sometimes be like 150 gallons next to the garages
You know in Cata I like attaching a super-fast motorcycle to my deathmobile to deploy when actually raiding a city, but I wish I was limited less by a one-tile thick line of racks, like actually being able to have a big truck with a trailer for hauling cars of whatever.
>>544092923well, theres the tow cable and heavy tow cable
>>544093341I've tried that before, but it constantly snaps if you make sharp turns, and it limits your speed quite severely. It's only really good for moving a smaller vehicle to somewhere safer for salvage, rather than for hauling another vehicle around with you that's more maneuverable/designed for a different environment (like having a boat on a trailer or a deployable mini-copter or plane.)
>>544093906well i was thinking about that earlier. remote control, you set the lead car to be fully remote control with cameras, and you sit in the following car. when you need to stop, slow down, swap to controlling the towed car and slow down. yeah i know what a nigtmare, but i wonder if it works.other idea, the towed car has no wheels, just dragging a sled, so its constantly braking? you could have 3 or so 3 width/1 depth cars so you could tow storage and attach a bike and not worry about having it slam in the back of your dragulaaaaaa
>>544093906>>544094150Haven't done in game but IRL if you're doing a rope tow you normally have the towed car in neutral and need someone in it to brake and steer
for some reason the default tileset has nothing for jumpsuits, so prison starts and convicts starts is always your dude just kinda chillin in his undies>>544094303pffft, pussy
>>544094303what? no. just neutral i enough
>>544094894this guy tows
>>544094894If you're rope towing and brake there is nothing to stop the car behind so it rear-ends you. People just don't rope tow often they use tow hitches.
what more could a man need. i mean, besides food. a craft store, a hardware store and a gun store
>>544095848wood? water? fuel? steel? women?
>>544095848A museum for a cool sword.
>>544096772pfft. and the wood is right there, those building are made of them. anyways, not even a house. just 4 zombies and 4 panicked people. i used the panicked people to lure the zombies away. super convenient!fucking worthless looted gunstore. had a child in there too just banging away at a door. silly kid
>>544097737you should base in the middle of a big city because everything you need is nearby.living in the middle of nowhere is boring
>>544098460>you should base in the middle of a big cityRisky, a huge mob can just drift in out of nowhere.
>>544098460oh no im not gonna base there, its just funny that its a town. of just 3 buildings. between the craft store and the gun store i found just 4 diazepams and a uberti rifle with...2 rounds of 357. super useful. well and a hiking backpack that was actually great since i was a convict start with literally just the clothes on my back
should i give BN a try
>>544100103Sure, it's fun
>>544099654i saw in the craft store in a cabinet case "dust". it was in brown text. i smashed it, and it disappeared. so, uh, was it really just dust. also i guess im trying out magiclysm on regular cdda, i have no clue what the magic system or how it work is. found this in the dumpster. this good?>>544100103god no, you need to pick a side and STICK with it, and shitpost people endlessly for choosing the WRONG side. or not, dunno man. i havent tried it so your the enemy.
>>544100138is there a mod like Bombastic Perks or Mind over Matter that gives you cool abilities without going full magiclysmmaybe that's cybernetics and mutations in bn which are generally shit in dda
>>544100212oops, forgot muh image
>>544100316Yeah mutations are still kind of a pain to do, but bionics are awesome. I dunno what DDA's status is with mutations and whether they've nerfed them or made them more of a pain, or if they just decided it sucked enough -- I stopped caring when they made bionics a massive PITA to acquire and install and use.
>>544100547yeah dda mutations are trash now.basically, your odds of getting negative mutations skyrocket once you have more than a handful of mutations total.in practice it was something like, 9/10 mutations were negative if i already had five.
>>544100316well if you unlock all the scenarios you can just start as a bionic dude
>>544101120it doesn't feel satisfying to me to start with perks like that.
>autopathing cant find a path forward>take control>path forward is just to drive directly forward
is this good?
the fuck, is this new? its all fema storage apparently, ive never seen anything but the nuclear power plant or the aircraft carrier go this far in any direction
>>544103193well i died but yeah, this did not seem correctly generated. it was just random outposts every so often with random "unfinished" sections". weird.
>>544103193>>544104530Its fairly recent, its mutable and is globally unique. Guessing its supposed to be an end game location like labs or the carrier.
>>544104720huh, okay. well, unless it spawned kinda badly, seems like it needs some work.unrelated, is there ANY reason to keep the wallet you spawn in with usually?
.... a shield??
>>544104720do you think they'll ever make some sort of, game end? like a quest line you can finish and then you beat the game?
>>544108387Yeah? You don't like it when hunters claw your shit up, right? Wouldn't it be nice to have a fancy technological way of keeping them from doing that, like putting a piece of wood in the way?>>544111285That would be fun, so no. Bright Night did it already, though
>>544111361does it actually work?
>>544112049Yes? Why wouldn't it?
>>544112270i mean, maybe it makes you slow, or turns half your attacks into shield bashes, or adds a ton of encumbrance, could be a lot of things
>>544111285maybe since they finally started working on Hub02 which may lead to an ending, but after previewing the layout of the bunker it seems likely to be a bad ending where the AI betrays you since theres a suddenly a trap room with turrets in a firing line and 0 cover
>>544112361Oh, you mean the shield? Thought you were asking about BN's ending. Yeah, the shield sorta works. I haven't used one in forever but I recall it not being as good as I thought it should be, but it's also not hard to get one either
>>544002331Yeah, juggernauts can basically only hurt heavy and superalloy survivor armor if it slams you into a wall>>544063923Just use reinforced solar panels>>544100212Try lockpicking next time
come to think of it, why aren't there 3d printers in DDA?that sort of thing would be a pretty big deal in a survival situation. tabletop lathes and cnc's too
>>544115235>lockpicking being useful for literally anythinglies
>>544112049Better than you'd expect but it pretty much renders one arm inoperable, and I need to use a crossbow or coilgun way too often for that
>>544115492You can lockpick display cases open without breaking them consistently in BNyou can also crowbar them open sometimes but other times it shatters
>>544115492it is for the type of safe you can lockpick into like some of the police station armory safes
>>544115829pussy, ace torch it and grab the exploding ammo as fast as you can like a real man and go deaf for the next 9 hours
>He doesn't have powered earmuffs onlmao
>He doesn't have enough strength to slegehammer the safelmao
>he doesn't have the key to the safelmao
>played BN for a whileis this supposed to be so easy?
The constant shit about it being 'easy' is bait, right? It feels like bait.
>>544119052It's not as nut-crushingly tedious and slow to progress in as DDA, so some folks might see it that way, I guess. But people really need to tune their world settings and shit if they aren't feeling a challenge
>>544115487Because they'd be too convenient. Realism is only good when it makes the game more tedious
>>544119052every picture i see from it people are so wildly overpowered its crazy. by the time i got to that stage in dda, years would of passed and i would of long gotten bored, and my map file would be hilariously large. and the changes they complain about and say "go to BN for" are things like "cant get a years worth of food from a single action", or "cant read 20 books and go from amatuer to brain surgeon in 6 hours", so i kinda think so. ill try it once im bored of dda tho
>>544128060>the changes they complain about and say "go to BN for" are things like "cant get a years worth of food from a single action", or "cant read 20 books and go from amatuer to brain surgeon in 6 hours"I have literally never seen any complaints that sound like that. It's usually "they took out [cool sci-fi element] I liked" or "they nerfed melee/martial arts to near uselessness" or "you can't run a single city block without getting winded and needing to stop and rest unless you invest in expensive and annoying-to-use bionics or mutations"
>>544111285The "end" in BN has never made sense to me. It's the post-apocalypse. You can't just blow up a single portal and say you've won, shit's still fucked.For me, an "endgame quest" in Cataclysm would be building a settlement, defending it, and settling down, confident that your tiny speck of civilization is going to be able to survive. So really just quitting out of boredom, but formalized.
>>544130285If you can close the dimensional doors and cut the zombies and other things off from the rest of the blob, they will be significantly less intelligent and dangerous, zombie evolution basically stops, and mankind could potentially gain the upper hand again. It would take time though.
>>544119052It really is pretty easy.
How do we feel about Aftershock: Exoplanet?
>>544126250>Realism is only good when it makes the game more tedious>working on tailoring>see some nice gloves>start working on em>sure is taking a while for it to get past 1% complete>remember proficiencies missing are a thing>then see the time to craftlol
>>544132157Hey, you don't want making gloves to be easy, do you?
>>544132157>AAAIIIIEEEEE WHY CANT I MAKE WATERPROOFED GLOVES WITH ADVANCED POLYMERS AND LEATHERWORKING TECHNIQUES WHEN I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO ANY OF THAT?????Just practice bro
>>544132826thanks, Kevin
>>544130425>zombies>significantly less intelligentAre you suggesting they're intelligent now?Really, I think the core of my issue with this is that I always found the>The zombies are an extension of an evil alien slime from an another dimension that's trying to take over the Earth!story to be incredibly lame. It reduces what could be an eldritch Lovecraftian monster, an alien lifeform that's eradicated humanity without any awareness that we even exist, into basically just some guy. The wicked blob king, sitting on his blob throne in the blob dimension, sending his troops over the dimensional bridge because he's wicked. Cut him off, and the monsters will scatter like orcs without the driving will of Sauron.There's nothing wrong with Sauron as a villain, but conquest is a human motive. There isn't really a need for it here. The blob could just as easily be a lifeform comparable to bacteria, mindlessly duplicating itself. Earth animals provide suitable conditions for its life processes, so that's where it grows. Humanity didn't anger some interdimensional god, we just stuck our dicks too deeps and caught alien syphilis. Any signs of intelligent design in zombie evolution could just be remnants of human intelligence. Zombies mastering the symbiote to make themselves stronger, rather than the other way around.Or maybe it has a degree of intelligence, without such an obvious and easily understood motive as taking over the world. The zombies are growing bone armour because the alien is trying to modify itself to better handle the local laws of physics, but that doesn't mean it knows or even cares that humans are trying to fight it. Does it know what death is? Does it perceive the passage of time?
>>544118507>>544119052there's no crowd crush or at least it's toned down a lot, and they don't grab your arms making you drop your 2h weapons. and those are the easiest ways to wind up dead. so yeah it's a lot easier. weapons and armor are also better and easier to get.default pop is way down too, no wandering hordes. maybe you need to enable that?
Am I tripping or is the Boga Prestige Class in Achra utterly fucking dogwater?>Needs you to kill enemies without any prestige class ability to actually do something>When you finally get it to trigger it gives you a measly 2 charge and deals just 200 damage in a short range>Doesn't help you stack really high charge (unlike every other lightning prestige) so the bonus armour on charge is also not doing much for youIt just seems bad. Not unwinnable, but bad.
The difficulty argument is such a non starter for all three forks. I've played DDA, TLG, and BN. You definitely become OP much faster in BN, but in TLG and DDA, once you find a working car that's basically your win con anyway, since you can just arbitrarily drive around until you run over a zombie soldier and get a gun, at which point you can safely kill almost any zombie. If a town is too big/not useful, same thing, just drive around until you find a smaller/more useful town. In the end, the difficulty only really matters for getting fucked by ferals or zombie dogs in the first hour. (And this is assuming you start in a real scenario, not the evacuation shelter like a complete pussy.) Once you get past that initial stage, you can just grind skills for am arbitrarily long amount of time and get the best craftable equipment.
>>544151334are you an actual idiot? bro what are you doing. think a bit
>>544150064Beat it on my second attempt. It was pretty easy, but that's more because I tried building something generically strong with chamakana + red axe + eris than because of the prestige
>>544142628I recognize this artist
URW but instead of hunting Elks we're hunting lolis
>>544069834If you don't stop posting then the next time I'm really gonna do it
>>544074472>Play DCSS>Get into a bad spot>Blink out, walk to stairs>quit and delete the character anywayThere's something deeply unsatisfying about have a twelfth life like that.>>544092923>He said my joke but louder :((Hard agree. I bet all the contribooters would cry about how hard it is to figure out if you made a feature request issue or brought it up on the Discord)
>>544102638It's brand new. Positive reception so far though, just a few bugs.
>>544128060I can't cycle to another town without turning my save times up to 10+seconds, lmao at "hilariously large"
>>544074472For what it's worth the BoL and other limited res items are significantly worse than the Adventure mode res because you don't get to go to a safe zone to restore your sustained abilities. Personally I view them as 50% of an extra life each. In a lot of situations they really don't help when your character relies on half a dozen abilities that are now on cooldown to survive.
>>544154585Tracking a loli in the woods...Suddenly you spot her behind the trees...She is out of breath, but still trying to escape you...What will you do?
>>544153156>>544150064I wondered actually, and I think it's probably one of the lower prestige ones- iirc the worst is like... The Zealot? Or whichever one that just gets like, one extra prayer on entry, not the guy who does prismatic damage on prayer. Acolyte or something, worst as far as achievements for wins goes at least.Anyways, on kill is probably one of the weaker triggers in the game. Pop open Powers menu and search for "on kill" and you only have a handful of them in prestige to look at.Dial it in even further, search for anything using an <x> tile range. 2 tile range for regular damage in an AOE is likewise kind of mid. Other prestiges are applying status stacks at 3+ range, or doing damage at range via simpler triggers like "on step" or getting their stacks (like Evasion) by dealing any damage instance.Killing a guy for 2 charge is a shit bargain, yeah. I think the dev vastly over valued a fixed 2-tile AOE damage pulse and 2 charge. The only other prestige that has on kill trigger and 2-tile AOE is fucking Horrorform. And that's fucking HORRORFORM, half of its "on kill" trigger is a downside to try and slow down fucking Horrorform. Bolga takes the "occasional downside" of one of the fastest scaling prestiges in the game and tries to only play around triggering that.
>>544157090There's plenty of examples of abilities that give you a burst of health near death or let you go "below zero HP" or kick in as a contingency. Anon just wants to be a contrarian about the stinky broccoli on his plate
>>544157912Check my map, I must be going in circles
>>544160019Those abilities don't magically go off cooldown when you die. Pretty normal to spend all your survivabilities/infusions before dying.Also the main tool to go below 0 is Heroism which got nerfed repeatedly (no longer gives stats, no longer stacks with itself) so now it is just a bad shield rune.
>>544157912nta but why would you hunt a loli in the woodsit's clearly some sort of witch
>>544160213>Those abilities don't magically go off cooldown when you dieWhy shouldn't they?There's literally a spell, Contingency, that DOES do this. A handful of others that react to going below a health threshold or taking an arbitrarily large hit. If you're not going to use Breath of Life or the Undead prestige/Skeleton revive, why not decide that 100 health is the new zero? Or that if a hit that could've killed you if it'd maxrolled lands, you uninstall. Or maybe even if you dodge a killer hit, you might not have dodged it otherwise, right? You were in a position where you could've died THAT TURN. Checkmate Conduct, atheists lose.
>>544156542qrd?
>breath of lifeyou didn't beat the game
>>544156542...It's brand new. Positive reception so far though, just a few bugs.Sorry, anon. I don't much go in for shoehorning le RPG classes into games. Try it if you like but it feels too random to me to play a Barbarian or whatever on top of everything else.Try it though, it sounds cool
>>544150064>>544159781I think you guys are doing it wrong. Bolga is a minion bomber class. The 2 range AoE pulse isn't for killing enemies. It's for killing your own minions and dealing damage on minion death. If you get it right, the damage loops back and forth so every enemy killed causes another minion to die which kills another enemy.
>>544168614I can't help but to petulantly remark that I've done plenty of minion bombing builds without Bolga and that it sounds like hot ass stillBut yeah, I guess so. Thanks anon
Another four for-I already had Grotesque Enhancement (ten out of ten spell btw +4 except to intelligence is lovely) and I've got Dielectric Capacitor CBM to soak the rare shockerBut the spear and tentacle look interesting
evens rift wizardodd cata
>>544131609unfinished
The King of Many Colors is a FUCKING CAMPER. I can't move because his arbiters have 10,000 inflame stacks and they will one shot me with their teleport attack when I take a step, but the king is just sitting there shooting my minions instead of walking forward.Minion builds really do get screwed on higher cycles. I won with this build before but when this shit happens it just makes me wish I had an attack build instead.
okay i've decided. i'll play BN and ascend.
>>544155229
>>544182918Sorry for your loss>>544184390One time I spent dozens and dozens of turns fighting one variant.I forget what the exact problem was- I think it was that he would summon allies and I couldn't not kill them and that would heal him for a massive chunk of his health.So I ended up having to kite him away from the demons he was spawning, though they'd frequently wander into range and reset my progress.
>>544185263>start out in a prison>lockpicked the door on my third try>bust my way out past seven zombie police using a nailboard (plank + nails)>now i'm fully equipped with riot armor, a ballistic shield, a tactical batonwow this is a great start
>>544184390Uh anon, summoners are the safest build against arbiters, you just take a step while surrounded by your minions.
>>544193936The problem is that I'm a minion bomber, not a minion build. I kill my minions and then instantly resummon them, so there are empty tiles for the arbiters to teleport to. A regular minion build would be preferable against arbiters.This time I ownfaulted to a Jawhara that got an insanely bad spawn position at the end of a corridor the length of the ENTIRE map. It's hilariously bad map generation that just decided to screw me. He got 1282 inflame stacks from my Fulminant Cult spawning in at the start of the game, and I did not realize he would instantly take 3 divine interventions off me if I took one step. One mis-input and now I can't activate my abilities.But that kinda points to the actual reason Bolga sucks. You can get a shitload of damage blowing up your own minions. This run I can probably one shot the King if I get him within 4 range to activate my Grave Cult on him. But there are a dozen different enemies in the game that get inflame stacks on player summon (including 1of the king KoMC variants), and it is ridiculously easy to get instantly game over'd by any of them in the course of a run. You don't even have a free school to tech in master scorch in an emergency if you get 600 stacks of scorch on you, so you can game over from that too. Or you can just game over from ranged enemies like Fae Snipers because you don't have defenses aside from a few thousand armor. I was trying to show the other guys that Bolga isn't as bad as they say, and I ended up convincing myself that actually yeah, Bolga just fucking sucks. Fuck this class.
Are there any good games on steam ? Is a good game even something that exist ?
>>544192715>left the prison: i'm in the middle of nowhere. a farm nearby with an NPC who won't join me.>nearest poi is a steel mill. the thing is loaded with zombies, I killed at least 100 there before finding a place to sleep>head at |... >wake up getting attacked by a soldier zombie>run away from a horde that found me>jurry rig a busted solar car to charge a battery, slide it into a beetle>drive off into the sunsetwhy does it feel like getting a car in cata is beating the game?anyway, BN vets, what do I do now? I'm regretting taking Slow Reader, which is basically free points in DDA, because reading books raises skills in BN and there's no practice
>>544202057Usually what I do is try to find an easy to access gunstore or pawn/museum (if I'm doing melee.) In the meantime I work on getting my crafting skills up to make beginner armor and weapons. First thing though is finding a good house to base in, either find a small town near a promising large town location that you can clear out (the typical four-six house little shithole) with good road access, one of the houses at the very edge of town with low spawns around, or a cabin in a convenient woodpatch. Though I remember one time I got stranded in a garage in the middle of town until I could thin them out enough to make an escape, that was fun.
>Years later>/rlg/ is still playing CDDAJesus christ play something else. Play something like Cogmind, Dungeonmans, Qud, anything else other than that game.
>>544212284Nobody's made a good new open world roguelike in ages.
>>544142628I'm going to need the source, sir.
>>544216381Sick fuck.
>>544212284It's been all TOME and Qud and DCSS and stuff for months before this latest Cata outbreak. And what's the problem, really? Is it pic related?
>>544153027shut the fuck up, niggertake it easy
>>544069834sauce on this moo please>>544188504thank you, Vegeta>>544202057you need to find a basesolar power, a refrigerator, a freezer, a large storage battery, and an oven all complement each other immensely and will save a bunch of wood chopping for cookingstart crafting your way up the fabrication skill and make a rock forge, charcoal kiln, smoking rack, and clay kiln out of rocks, sticks and dirtfind some clay to help with the above, and a swamp for bog ironthose are the necessities, basically
>>544210962>map so farthe overmap tileset is missing things like "dense urban" and "bridge" which is surprising. there's a survivor bunker to the NE.I'm pretty beaten up because I went deep into the city and hit two libraries, a gun shop, a pharmacy, a craft shop, a pawn shop, and a bunch of houses. got some goodies but no blockbuster drops. biggest thing is, some SMGs and a gunsmith kit, tailor kit, halligan bar.legit kinda insane how i was stomping hordes but then again i've never done dda with 6 melee and 14 strength. point buy is super generous in BN and starting as a prisoner gave me a lot of points, i put it all in melee and strength. so i can't repair my shit at all. at this point my riot shield is XX big rip, i love the shield. I have 461 kills.i wish BN would separate the zoom settings for the map and the game view. if you zoom in/out on the map, it'll zoom in/out on your character. and that's really annoying, especially since the map always resets to a specific zoom when you open it. i play on a pretty big screen so i like to zoom in a lot and it just bugs me.I also wish it would let me zoom in/out while driving. especially because of this map zoom bullshit.I'm not sure where to put my base.>>544221848where do you suggest? here is my overworld map, I should probably find a place to rest soon since I'm at about half health and in a lot of pain.
lol, lmao evenhttps://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/83413
>>544223348Melee in DDA sucks now, it's no fun and basically useless except when you don't have ranged
>>544168614IMO it's still not very good at that. Putting points into grave chant and necromancy is enough for killing minions (and can get you to kill minions more than 2 tiles away), and it doesn't actually help you do anything on minion death so you need to invest in that yourself. And after all that you still need to kill enemies to get the loop started in the first place since it doesn't proc off minion death.
>>544223838That one always pissed me off, I like the idea of chopping zombies up a lot more than plinking them with a gun from max view distance.
>>544223348>going all in on meleenot even necessary but I bet it made getting out of that prison way easierI usually start with a level in fabrication and mechanics each because they're difficult to raise from zero>survivor bunkerlike a LMOE shelter? I'd set up there for sureI can't read your tileset, I only know ASCIIthat building in the forest adjacent to the road to your north looks tempting, as does the building in the middle of the forest right there, depending on what they are and if you've already cleared them of zombiesif you don't have any swamps you won't be able to get salt water and bog iron, which means you need to source all your steel from man-made sources>halligan baroh fuck, that skips a ton of time on digging because it's almost as good as a shovelif you've cleared that radio tower even that might be acceptable, the hard part is going to be keeping yourself fed and hydrateddo you have a source of water, or any containers?
>>544224041Yeah that was the thing that really pushed me over the edge to BN. I love my melee guys, particularly all the fun martial arts that let you do cool moves and change the way you fight.
I'm a freak. A local wonder. More lung capacity than Freddie Mercury vocal numbers....So uhhhhhWhere's the ammo at?
>>544225404That's one of those that you keep looking for loose brass lying around and every one you find increases your maximum ammo pool by oneSerious reloaders only
>>544224263>radio towerthat's a negative, captain. radio tower i'm at now has a wasp queen. i don't know how she didn't notice me but i'm not going to stick around and give her a chance to. >building in the forestthe one in the middle is the "survivor bunker", i'm guessing that's an LMOE. the one by the road is a dump.my preference is to live in the city somewhere. Along those blue lines it's mostly clear. if it's salt water i'll need... what about the radio tower (in the city)? aha, is that the one you meant, rather than the one i'm at now with the wasp? yes, that would be a good fit. it's also worth noting that i have the halligan bar, so i can base in somewhere like the gun shop and be safe behind brick/metal. i haven't seen any ferals to open doors. do ferals exist?the main issue with the city radio tower is that there's a massive road wreck along that main road and it blocks nearly the entire road. so i won't be able to autodrive out of there at least not until i disassemble the wreck.well, that's not the worst, but maybe i should grab what i need from the prison before i head into the base, then.>fed and hydratedwater is tight, but should be okay: i have a plastic jerrycan. so i can boil some drinking water with that. Food is okay, I have a ton of food, including MREs from soldier zombies as well as stuff like chocolate and chips. i haven't picked up perishables much because i don't have a base with a freezer. i took 'hates vegetables' so it might be troublesome but animals seem very common. the plan is to eat stuff like jerky and candy until i get a freezer, then just lardmaxx. >getting out of that prison way easieryeah, it was a breeze. i haven't had such an easy start since... ever? then again in dda i usualy start as some sort of, turbojunkie cripple with 0 in every skill so having 6 melee (5 +1 from convict) was absolutely luxurious
>>544224746>>544223838yeah melee in dda these days is basically... kite and kill them one at a time away from walls.you can be 5 melee and have the best armor and you'll die to 3 generic zombies up against a wall that grapple you and crowd crush you before you can attack 3 times.compared to that, i've actually been having a lot of fun with melee in BN. a big part of it is that the shield and baton and armor i got from the prison is really strong. but wood axe + shield is also fucking awesome.i do miss things about dda. the qol. the pockets. the ui.
can't spell DDA without India
>>544223592isn't the dedicated sex shops enough for them?none of those items even add anything interesting
>>544231685exactly it's just useless bloat that doesn't need to be added
>>544195436>You don't even have a free school to tech inThis is kind of what I meant earlier, though I couldn't quite articulate itBeing locked into Lightning/death is half the troubleThis is the second attempt on getting this run started and I've got basically everything I could want and I still don't know if it's gonna work out.The early Jade Pilum gave it some oomf- Still had a sketchy go against those purple dragon bastard, forget their names.Just now picking up the Kairos Skirt on the 8th round, halfway through the first area- Obvious incredible synergy with Secutor/Jade Bracers. Spam standing still to rack up 60+ of all the martial stacks then wade out through your minions to deal Doom empowered multi-hit spam. Weird mixture of stand-still and attack (side step and attack till Kairos)Some notable stopovers were Daruq/Sioc+Pilum, the Blight Cuirass and the Golden Greaves helping to get here.
>>544212284>Ten years I don't play Cata>Finally try out BNNo way I don't have to take this I'm having a fucking blast, there's no way this is the game you faggots were playing fifteen years ago, this kicks ass
>>544223348>halligan bar>for FREEGang shit desu, I love never having to think about doors or safes ever again, never mind all the other horseshit it does.The zoom is bizarre yeah, I think there's been some noise about porting over zoom-while-driving though.Do you have any of the pre-packaged mods installed?Personally I like setting up my first base on spots like this, little cul-de-sacs that are easy to make sure you've cleared out thoroughly. You've got a mega city right here all crammed together, which is kind of a pain in the ass.Remember you can use P to mark the fields eligible for auto-travel the same way road are.
>>544229741>the pocketsthere are people that actually love pockets?
>>544225821Loot alert mod when? :(
>>544235443It was the single most requested feature for like ten years. But when we got it, it was a huge nuisance (which I suspected all the time it would be) and has only become tolerable lately with various QoL improvements
get pwnd
>>544238953Really wish I was cumming on a flat girl's chest rn
I haven't been on /rlg/ for a while.In terms of DDA Last i played was 0.H, and a couple updates into CTLG.Any news from either of them?
>>544223592Is the buttblug wearable? I for sure am looking forward to give them to my camp NPCs all dressed in waist corsets, nanoskirts, garter belts and stiletto heels. Wish they added a chastity belt with access to ass too.
One of the bosses in my game will be named Napalmus Pyromaniatia, He Who Scorched His Mother's Womb and He Who Will Be Denied The Ice Bucket Challenge
>FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY BOOTS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>544246895>has enough interdimensional ghost jizz on him to attract hounds of tindalos>decides to head inside and start craftingFault.
>>544223592im not good at tech stuff but did the last reply at the end mean they added all the fetish shit?
>>544233375They should invent a minion bomber build that doesn't make you want to kill yourself.This shit took literal hours, what a fucking waste of my fucking life holy shit.This is the slowest fucking shit I've ever seen god damn.If I hadn't had the fucking Rebel Jambiya I'd have just had to fucking leave. I honestly almost did, till I realized he hadn't purged the first scorchBolga fucking SUCKS ASS. It'd have gone a bit better with Doom Master instead of Blight Cult, bit of a waste of a slot, wasn't really paying attention. Jesus fuck.
>>544247672"Merged" means it's been accepted into the codebase, and the proposed changes are now part of the game.
>>544247672Yeah.A half dozen people going "Gosh this seems like a lot, we don't need a bunch of varieties of sex toy, just having a sex toy seems fine, why tell the player which hole it goes in, these all do the same thing with randomly different descriptions and volume/weight"And a wordless commitOtoh "people work on the content they want to play with" and not "what the game needs"On the other handMaybe tell people no, sometimes? Try encouraging posting a feature issue first, instead of going straight to a pull request.I agree that if we're debloating plushie variants and toothbrushes and shit then we don't need to know what kind of sex toy we're dildoing our ass for morale with- The fact that the "vibrator" was obtuse enough that you could interpret it as a muscle relaxer vibrator was a feature, not an oversight.
>>544248895In fact, who thinks they have the balls to write a feature request (without getting so snide they're caught for obviously shitposting to whine about it, like so: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/83425) about how they're uncomfortable sticking things up their ass for morale but don't want to lose out on the bonus from massaging their muscles and get another useless bloat (muscle) vibrator added?
>check the CDDA repo>all the windows build checks are failingThis is it bros, Windows 10 support is over, time to pay up for Windows 12
>>544250278can you windows guys just shut up alreadyyou've been whining about your shitty situation for months, i don't care
>>544252150Battered wife syndrome
>>544250278nigga im still on 8
>>544260442Technically so is the guy who runs the botnet that owns your computer by now
>>544227443I've never seen a "survivor bunker" before, might as well check it out>do ferals existthey're relatively rare until later on in the spawn pool but they become more common the more time passeseventually you're going to run into feral bikers and feral militia who can oneshot you at range if you're not heavily armoredyou seem to have a grasp of what you want. if you want more containers I recommend finding clay which should be common along the river banks
>>544245490nobody is playing those games
>>544262725everyone is
>>544270809those aren't people
the heckeroony is wrong with muh truck. the alternator is there, the engines fine and doesnt need mending, so why isnt the battery charging. yeah not the draining one, but the other one>>544272583grim>>544245490i think .I just released, like, yesterday or today something, i saw it on the last ten updates on experimental, but havent checked
>>544272662maybe the draining battery is killing your charge rate? it's not too difficult to pull a battery out of a vehicle, just yoink it
>>544272720yeah i dont have a tool for it yet, ill do that, just didnt know draining batteries could kill/hamper other batteriesand yeah look 0.I, a release candidate. and no ones talking about it anything
>>544272662Yeah, it's trying to charge the broken battery, which is draining faster than it can charge. If you have no tools, you can probably smash the battery until it breaks completely.
>>544273475is that new? ive never had issues with just throwing in a secondary battery and ignoring the draining one. its a truck alternator, so it shouldnt really be dragging ass, im not running anything else, the dome lights are off, so so, so fourth.doesnt matter i ditched it, found a better car, but i guess ill have to pay attention to that, never been a problem before.
uh oh.. YAK ATTACK!!!
>>544262467is there a way to conveniently make bulk food and water? in dda you throw a big metal container into a fire and come back a few hours later
is it just me or is 95% of random start characters female in cdda. i swear its almost always a chick. not really a big deal except i have to drop a bra and a wallet instead of just a wallet every start
I don't suppose anyone here happens to play Gensouband, do they? I want to know what level to scum for stat potions.
>>544279778water purifier or charcoal water purifier for watersmoking racks for food
>>544274448been that way forever
>>544280362What do you mean by scum for stat potions?
>>544282714Revisting a level repeatedly in the hope of generating an optimal number of stat-raising potions. You either don't know what I mean and can't help, or do know what I mean and are being rhetorical.
>>544283006I personally just go to the dream realm to farm stuff, that or the dragon lair.
>>544282543the fuck. its literally never been an issue and i update that shit every day. just toss in a new battery and never bother removing the old one and just roll. does placement matter? if the game somehow thinks the order has changed? if the new battery is "above" the other battery?
>>544283396I get the dragon lair, but why the dream realm?
>>544280925how do i open up the lore? when i pull up the help menu (0) it just has no options. i wanted to see what is a `zombie kinderling` and why it just disappeared instead of dying
>>544280356>Letting your tits just flop around when trying to run away from zombiesngmi
>>544283535I thought it charged all the batteries simultaneously, which would split your charge in half, which shouldn't be enough to completely fuck you over like thatwhat's the power number for a truck alternator and the power drain on your engine?>>544284475https://cbn-guide.mythoscraft.org/monster/mon_zombie_child_scorched>>544284678that's what
>>544280356>is it just me or is 95% of random start characters female in cddaNot a coincidence, just look at how almost every post about DDA includes a female character. Even on github screenshots for various issues devs are working on, the characters are always female rather than just a random test character.
>>544284758>that's whatWhat what? Anon's character dropped her bra, those are the consequences.
>>544284428Feels like I get good shit more frequently and faster even if they are not stat potions
>>544276703You've got Summon Hydra castable at 1% with Scale Mail on by Lair 5?I don't understand this game I'm not playing it right how are you doing this?
you can just... build aircraft??awesome.>>544284758that site is down for me. did you mean the hitchhiker's guide, eg. https://cbn-guide.pages.dev for bn? i was asking about something else
>>544285625onlyleveling summoner skill for funny crocodile early acquirement>fenfolio hydra frog summon&armor aptitudes good +2 scale encumbrance low new brand(maybe) helps yay
>>544286995Utterly insane, that's crazy. Neat
>>544284758like 1300 watts charge and it usually has a v6 that takes 200 watts. iunno, if i remember ill try spawning one in tommorow and dicking around with it>>544286305yeah but im pretty sure you need the pilot trait and theres no way to learn it, you have to start with it or debug it in or something. but really, if you build yourself a fucking airplane/heli from scratch just debug the trait in, your guys clearly smart enough to atleast attempt taking off once. spoilers so dont read this if you care but you can also waterproof your car/build it from watertight components and just make boatcars as well
>>544287612it was even telling me that i should have a full charge idling the truck in about 2 hours. i waited half an hour and nothing before ditching it for a perfect condition diesel (ew)
>>544284919I was going to say that >>544286305works on my machinethe gyrocopter rotors are the best way to travel once you know where you're going>>544287612>pilot traitthat's only for DDA, anybody can learn to fly in BN
>https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/83358The guy who made the "I need to know which hole I'm dildoing for immersion" sex toy update was arguing about turning all juice into orange juice on the backend just a couple weeks agoYou can't make this up
>>544288365Honestly the anal beads pr reads like a passive aggressive troll.
when did they nerf fiends in DDA? I remember them being one of the more dangerous enemies because of their surprisingly long reach and high damage that can cause bad bleeding in 1 hit.
>>544287612>and just make boatcars as wellHow many bodies of water are there even to use it in? Feels like the world is just solid ground with some rivers here and there with frequent bridges to cross them, so why go through the effort?
>>544223592>we have lots of lgbtq+ flags, stocking, pins, lots of gum tastes, lots of fursuits and lot of different staff, so i cant see reason to not adding this sex toy staff if we already have a lot of different items added fore realismKek.
>>544287887>>544289721I tend to like building my main mobile base as a boatcar and just having a small helicopter attached to bike racks on the back for scouting etc.
boatcars are incredibly based and navigating down the rivers is way easier than driving on roads most of the timeno wrecks on rivers
>>544283006Just check the item fileNever tried this fork, how is it?
>>544248503Jade soldiers were a mistake.
>>544292051No landmines either.
>>544284880I get perverse voyeuristic pleasure from looking at my character's underwear in the inventory screen.
Is there any reason to collect SD cards in BN? So far, I've picked up about six but they only have music and photos, no recipes or books.also. uh, i may have lit this place on fire while torching open the safe. everything looks like metal, though, so wouldn't it be fine to sit in that autodoc?and. what do i need to do to successfully install bionics? from what i remember, it was something like, healthcare + 1/2 (electronics + computers) x intelligence mod ? my odds seem not great >>544223348ended up staying in a generic house basement temporarily, the radio tower was swarming with z's. i picked this one (to the right of the red o on my map) because it had a fireplace i could boil water with. made 40 clean water and checked all my books, then went raiding. i looted a garage and had a little scuffle with bandits, nothing serious, but the garage gave me almost a thousand worth of acetylene. so i got my mechanics up to 2 and attached these cargo carriers. heading over now to this science office tower that is right next to an augmentation clinic. >>544234716yeah it just dropped from a firefighter zombie and without pocket shenanigans you can just bring it with you everywhere. it's great.>modsFor content mods, I'm using aftershock, cata++, CRIT, teleportation. >>544235443for one thing, it's was faster to swap weapons (w - a, w - b, for items hotkeyed as a and b). the sheath/draw mechanic needs a couple more presses and it's not always consistent so you can't just smash a few keys in a row knowing what they do, you need to wait for the menus and respond, it's not the worst but it does get a bit annoying when you're used to just w-c for the knife and BN pops up "draw blade from hiking backpack? use blade (hiking backpack)?" and if you just hit enter the first option is sheath blade so nothing happens, except your hotkey c is gone now.so yeah pockets does sheath/draw better. but i do like how i can carry a halligan bar now
>>544292838It's Zangband -> hengband ->touhou ancestry, so....depends on your opinion of touhou. It's a lot like frog at a glance, with a ton of character selection options (literally play anyone from the non-pc98 cast) even if you make your own @. There's a world map, guns, danmaku and a few tweaks to resists and whatnot, but basically it's frog, but more Touhou and less Amber. I have the vague sense that it's not as hard, but I'm a very cautious player.
>>544299678Uh, when I say 'it's like frog' I mean in the kitchen-sink approach, not the frog world map and classes per se. The map is Gensokyo.
>>544292051Just like Farcry 2.
>>544299678Are you playing a 2hu or your own character?
>>544298972yeah you need a shitpile of first aid, electronics, computers, and maybe mechanics or something idkat 10 in all skills and 16 intelligence I was still getting dogshit success rates without a nurse botI recommend finding a nurse bot>pockets does sheath/draw betterassign an inventory hotkey to the sheath/holsterpress 'a' and then your inventory hotkey to draw from that sheath, and if you have an item already wielded it will prompt you to sheath that item in an appropriate location (the inventory letter for the appropriate sheath)so for my current character I would press 'a' 'B' and it would draw my quarterstaff from my spear strap, and prompt me if I wanted to throw my crossbow onto the ground or store it in the MOLLE pack, which I would choose by pressing 'N'if you activate an empty sheath it'll prompt you what to store in it, which you need to be careful with to make sure it's the right item but that's only necessary when going to empty hands for whatever reasonhalligan bars can be stored in a MOLLE pack, which is very convenient and keeps it out of your general inventory which is nice
oh fuckparts 1/3 of my grand master plan to become an invincible melee god
I wish the cataclysm touhou mod works on BN
>>544300929I'm playing Hatate. I wanted to try the guns system out and she's one of the few chaarcters with enough skill to do so since she's implemented as a sort of ranger with divinations. Also I like her. Being a tengu she's pretty strong at base; character choice is very much a sort of baseline difficulty selector. I don't really know *bands that well but it's pretty obviously the case.
>>544298972Iirc you want the encrypted SD cards mostly. You'll need decent skill in computers to get anything out of them though.
>>544305094>Normallook at this dood
>>544288947Kind of what I thought too desu. "I SWEAR I'm JUST doing this for more variety at the SEX TOY SHOP BUILDING since APPARENTLY that's what we NEED"
>>544288947>>544309967In that case adding his spite pr is kind of a based way to fuck with the guy who spergs about having food variety.
>>544298972Oh uh... Halligan should let you crack the safe too, I think? Unless it's strength check based? Maybe it is and I've just never been under the strength to do it.Like the other anon said, but also the autodoc should show you in the first menu what the install chances are based on when you first activate it- Just highlight the "install CBM" option first.And yeah, hotkey your holster/sheath/sling, not the weapon itself.
>>544272861>No ones talking about it anythingI dunno about other anons, but I gave up on DDA and only play BN now
>>544304376its not very good desuchinks keep it up to date for DDA and very little of the mod has tilesets. The weather effects are cool though like the pandemonium night
>>544225821It's a brand new day and I don't respect the rule of man or god
wow that's some good loot. guarded by a turret but lol it's only 9mm.Can you dissect rotten corpses? I got this thing called a bionic scanner. But my first aid is shit so I keep botching the surgeries. I found one that has Blood Filter and that's pretty good. But from what I remember, zombie corpses rot pretty fast. I'd like to at least hit first aid 3 but I don't know if that would even matter.how does mutation work in BN? i've found stuff like mutated arms and legs, but also serums (e.g. feline serum, bird serum). anyway i can't explore much further than this because the game crashes. can't even get the stupid thing to print a stack trace.basically, it hangs and uses all the system resources until i have to pkill it. probably some memory leak with a lua mod but how would I know? the debug functionality in BN is basically "join our discord" >updatei finally got the thing to print a stack trace. basically, the fix is to use legacy pathfinding. works fine now. and I was able to get to the top of the tower, but, there are turrets and bots with 5.56 and shocker zombies so I plan to come back with ballistic gear. and grenades. I have throwing 0 so i hope I don't kms myselfbtw you can't pick up these plutonium grid generators. should I smash them? >>544301073I might need to swap to a MOLLE pack, my hiking backpack is on XX. No starting NPC hurts bad, but scavenging life is kino.>>544301073thanks, that's a little better.>>544272861that's neat. what are the big new features? >>544311916i didn't know that and just went straight for the torch.i have so many bionics, bro. but i can't install any of them. tfw life as 7 melee 8 int
>>544314968>plutonium grid generatorsDO NOT SMASH THEMI think you can dismantle them somehow from the construction menu maybe, or swipe a military ID or something idk>hiking backpack is on XXyou should be stacking up huge piles of rocks to make a rock forge from the construction menu and then getting your fabrication skill to whatever you need to start climbing the forging item tree, which basically gives you all the fabrication skill you need to finish it once you start it due to how long it takes to craft all the tools you needthen, make a sewing kit or tailors kitthe MOLLE pack has very limited storage capacity, I typically bring a duffel bag with me for looting
finding an electric forge in an electronics store is also a very valid option and lets you repair metal items
>>544314968It's definitely one of the ways to spend your points of all time.A lot of door forcing/safe cracking is contextual via E-xamine, it'll jump right to whatever suitable tool you have.Rotting happens fast enough but you get plenty of XP from, ironically, dissecting. The big deal is to get a scalpel (or exacto at least) off a nurse.Mutation right now aims for a (positive) point target of mutations. Get enough plain mutagen in you and you'll "mutate uncontrollably" gaining up to seven mutations.Drink flavored mutagen willfully and you'll just grab a mutation from that tree (the Hitchiker's Guide has a link to mutation lists on the front page), serum will prime you to cross the "threshold" and unlock/lock you in to only getting that tree's "late game" mutations.Prime/Elf-A/Medical are considered the "more advanced" categories with less crippling downsides.Plut generators are kino- They don't burn through plutonium fuel cells like a minireactor does but it's infinite sauce once you deconstruct it and plug it into your grid with *
>zombie hunter climbs the roof and smashes one of the windows on my helicopter>it no longer fliesThis is the most bullshit thing I have seen in a while.Is there some way I can cheat the flight capacity back?
>>544193936>>544195436Summoner is the safest builds in this game because you instantly delete all enemies on the screen.SPECIALLY On Summon On Kill abusers.t. Achra pro.
>>544314968didn't even need to throw the grenades. the dumb clanker walked right up to me and got a halligan bar to the face. Found the famous BN nanofab. wew lad.>so much cool shit you can makeBut there's only 100 nanomaterial canisters. what a tease. I guess everything's been stripped bare already.There's a lifting mech, oh so THAT'S what industrial IDs are supposed to be used for. they're the only ID i never pick up because it's useless. afaik in dda it's only used to open the power plant access and there's nothing good there.I have no idea what to make. Advice? I already have two laser riflesAlso, I was hoping that getting to the top of the tower would give me some clue on how to beat the game, but I didn't find anything. I was diligently reading notes for clues, but I guess I need to hack the consoles?>>544315717i picked one of those up from this science tower. I've got a 3d printer (advanced) and a welder too.Hiking backpack somehow survived, what a legend.>>544315572well i tried to smash it but that didn't work.it looks like deconstruction is under "advanced object deconstruction", you need a bunch of stuff including high voltage insulation 1 (???) so i'll have to come back later. I've got a "toolbox" in the car with a billion attributes, it might work.>updateI can do it, but I need electronics 6.>>544318342I've got a scalpel, I got one from raiding a doctor's office. But musclehead pc keeps fucking up the surgery. Only getting burnt out bionics after about 10 tries. Well, I guess at least my first aid is going up.
>>544325173I'd save the cannisters until you have enough for the RM13 imo, though I don't know how well it holds up against the CRIT stuff so maybe that stuff is better.
>>544326018CRIT stuff was stupidly OP last time I tried it, I stopped using that mod because it was so out of line with everything else. But that was quite a while ago, have they rebalanced it since?
>>544325173Rubber gloves or a hazmat suit are the easiest sources to play with HV stuff.
>>544321386I just a goated tormentor (Blood-Death-Life) run because I knocked my transformer.
>>544326018I'll save them then. the CRIT suit is... all right. it's a little better than the swat armor: it has better coverage (100% vs 95%), lower cut/bash/ballistic, but it has good fire/acid/env which is what i needed since most of the damage i take is from shockers and acid.i don't think i'll keep it long term. You can probably get something for the acid as a skin layer, and you definitely want much better ballistic than 18 for your outer. But it's not like I have an NPC crafting kevlar jumpsuits.>>544326945i think that room with the 4 power plants was from CRIT. I thought the loot was pretty good when I first saw it, but most of that stuff showed up in other parts of the science tower later (e.g. laser rifle) so idk.probably the thing that stands out the most are the reactors, there are four of them, but i can't do anything about them anyway since they need 6 electric to pick up.I wouldn't mind removing the mod, but I don't know how the game will work if I do that.
>>544325173I think you can dismantle the plutonium generators with industrial IDs actually. Swipe the card and it'll unlock.
How do I get into dwarf fortress? I have 300 hours on Caves of Qud and 200 on Elin but they, I feel, are easier games to "just play".
>>544314465hell yeah
>>544314968>>Can you dissect rotten corpsesyes. you can also wait for them to decompose completely instead
What are some roguelikes with shorter run durations? Like, maybe an average of no more than 1 hour per run. I was going to get Jupiter Hell since I like Doom and these guys were the guys who apparently spent years making Doom roguelike mods. But then I went on YouTube and noticed that runs went up to nearly 3 hours. Any sci-fi horror themed alternatives to Jupiter Hell?
>>544330872would that just give me the bionic for free
>>544330939"free" but it's waiting an entire year or whateverI don't know how long they take to decompose but it's a while
>>544330915Crank up the difficulty and your Jupiter Hell runs will be shorter than 1 hour.\Also, look up Jupiter Hell Classic (runs are shorter, and you can run the OG DoomRL from Steam Workshop).
fuck these assholes
>>544332682It doesn't seem like that helps. I'm looking at videos of people doing runs on Nightmare and Apocalypse difficulty, and they still take about 2.5+ hours.I'll keep Jupiter Hell Classic wishlisted in any case.
>>544330915rift wizard 1 isn't scifi but runs are like 30minpath of achra too
>>544327961isn't that strictly worse than the AEP Suit lol?I guess it has better fire protection, which is nice, but the extra environmental protection seems pointless>>544329513lots and lots and lots of planningfinding a marble layer on embark is the most important thing, I feel>>544333701what are those, incandescent husks?if you hit them with an EMP it'll shut off their sparkles for a minute or two
>>544330915Look into 7 day roguelikes, they typically have a narrow scope and quick playtime, plus there's a ton so you can beat one then play something new and different ever y time
>>544307631Hataters gonna hate.
BN runs a lot slower now. Does anyone know what the issue could be? It takes about 200ms to do a move, where it used to be instantaneous.Also, are NPCs good for crafting in BN? they are great in DDA.>be me, prison convict escapee>cruising around the city looking for fellow survivors>find four guys>join chances 20-30%. failed 6 times in a row (~20% chance of happening).>find another guy, rescue him from a horde of fifteen zombies>i can keep you safe (14% chance)>find a foxgirl, trash my car saving her from probably 30 zombies>i can keep you safe (13% chance)nobody wants to be my friend>>544336695yeah it's not great, but i don't have many options. and it has full coverage which is important. i don't have an AEP suit whatever that is.
What do I do to tune this thing up? It gets banged up pretty often.I think I've got the infrastructure to print some carbon fiber frames, and then I guess stick some chitin plating on there? Are rams any good on bikes? I'm worried it'll bang up the rest of my vehicle if I stick a chitin ram on or something.It gets pretty tough to move when I weigh it down, I can't even drag it- I figure there's only so much that can be done about that with pedal power? Will more wheels (maybe a 2x2?) help that or no? Are these the best wheels to use?
>>544330915I bang out a run on AlienRL every so often.
>>544342753>BN runs a lot slower nowWork fine on my machine, idkMaybe you're near some weird section where a lot of stuff is happening? I've noticed my saves push up past ten seconds sometimes, but that usually goes back down after a while. Moves taking that long, I can't remember happening ever, really.
>>544342753>It takes about 200ms to do a move, where it used to be instantaneous.you're probably above a source of lag like an underground lab complexactivate a prospecting pick to find out
>>544343248it's been laggy ever since it bugged out in the science tower. It was just full crashing there, until I turned on legacy pathfinding. I turned it back off later, and it got a little better again, but it's not like the game reports fps.>>544343575that sounds pretty likely. i moved away and it's a bit better now.just to be clear, is there anything that causes lag that i shouldn't be doing? for example, i have a lot of loot in my car, is that a problem?>>5443428471. use steel frames if you can. heavier frames take less damage.2. install shock absorbers.
how do you quickly look through items in the "list all items" screen in BN? pageup/pagedown just scrolls the details screen for me
>>544313595>The weather effects are cool though like the pandemonium nightI don't recall that, which 2hu mod is this?
>>544349084Cataclysm-DDA-Touhou-Expansion
>>544349313Is that the one filled with dinosaurs?
>>544346428Shift+V?You fuckin don't it sucks assTab works in G-pickup though.Despite being greyed out, tab/shift+tab should page down and up
>>544291898in dda the more east you go the more water. eventually youll hit a ocean. anyways, its more that a houseboat is pretty darn imperverious to hoards, and some of the biggest loot caches are aircraft carriers
>>544297218your in luck, they seem to have added vibrators and stuff, unless "vibrating egg" thatll "let me see the stars" is just a magiclysm addition
>>544350507oh didnt know people were already discussing it. honestly im all for it because i was wondering why you couldnt use a vibe buttplug for a passive morale boost without the deaf aspect of headphones
>>544342847use a shopping cart basket instead of the carbon fiber cargo rack and limit how much you carryyou need to make it much much lighter in order to keep it pedal powered, wait a second how did you even manage 533 kg holy fuckshow me the rest of your vehicle you absolute creature>>544344206>I have a lot of loot in my car is that a problemnot in my experience, the thing that causes lag is hot air/cold air calculations and iterating through large quantities of monsters like a leech pod colony or what happens when a portal rift stays in the reality bubble for too long>use steel frames if you canthis is good advice in general but bad advice for a bicycle I think
>>544351215>and limit how much you carryHow about I fuck your wife?I was on a pretty long journey to scavenge together some parts, finally got a Robobench up and running But no, this is the usual package. Really only slogs at the very top end of weight like that, and it DOES drag me down to like, 12km/h offroad speed at the worst.But I think those shock absorbers are a great find! I dunno if... Are regular steel frames actually better at soaking collision damage, even with a lower durability than carbon fiber, because of their higher per-frame-weight? Or is "more weight, higher durability" just a general trend?
>>544352112no there's some fucky math where if you're going to be ramming things it's better to be heavy as fuckI built a solar powered deathmobile that weighed over 15 tons and it could reliably ram hulks to death without damaging the solar array because it was absolutely covered in military composite plating and the contact surface was a heavy steel ramif you're going to be hitting things you NEED to be heavy as fuck, which is the exact opposite of what a bicycle needsI recommend the classic method of pic related, and swapping your offroad wheels for road wheels because you're never going to be managing to go offroad in that thing
>>544349732yeah
>>544352112>RobobenchAh holy shit yes fuck me that's good stuff>>544352536...You want me to shoot dogs?Oh, no I- I don't want to ram things.I want to survive clipping cars at 80 miles an hour. (Well what I want is for auto-travel to work when you're using Thermo-fluidic Propulsion Unit CBM to fly, but that's a pipedream)So I guess I DO want to ram things but like... Ah, I guess that's that. Maybe I can figure out an E-Bike or something and make the bastard heavier, stick a ram on it.
I can never get "caster" builds past the King. The on-summon burst takes a chunk off his health bar but my abysmal speed means he gets to attack a few times and take me out.Admittedly this Inuqqa setup I've been trying really wants the ice-damage-on-dealing-death-damage pants, but the Crystal Helm did surprisingly well. Not sure if it's better than Saafa (astral damage on gaining meditate) but I definitely got higher Meditate numbers than past attempts.Any tips?
>>544353651e-bikes are really goodI strap a small electric motor onto one of the wheels and a small storage battery on every tile>clipping cars at 80 miles an hourso pic related, huh?that should cause your entire vehicle to disintegrate by my calculations, I think you're exaggeratingauto-travel doesn't do that kind of thing to me lol
>>544342753>Also, are NPCs good for crafting in BN? they are great in DDA.They can do construction, but not independent crafting. Somebody should try to port that from DDA. As is, they can speed up your craft times if they're nearby and have the skill.
>>544349927Shift-V is great, once you set some sorting rules and add a few filters for items and categories you're interested in.>>544353651>I want to survive clipping cars at 80 miles an hour.Good luck with that, but if you add armor plates or shock absorbers, those can absorb hits to other components of your bike. If you're really crashing at high speed, at least get a seatbelt on that thing to keep from flying off in an impact
>>544353736Literally just take like 60 points out of willpower, huff vigor to at least 10k life and get your minimum speed up from there.Think about taking master freeze. Don't do star cult meditate bullshit, you have scaling redeal damage already, charge/meditate are excessive.Rather than focus minimum speed yourself, you can avoid freezing yourself and just freeze the enemy. I don't think there are any good form loops available, but Priest might still be nice. Sorcerer is a solid angle of course but I'd pair it with a repray god. Like THE Worm or Agara.
>>544355847Well, closer to 40km/h. I've never actually flown off the bike but it can't hurt. I can't seem to figure out the priority system in Shift+V.
>>5443537361000+ Scorch stacks is the most reliable way to kill the King. I don't play Yu so I can't give you any advice there. If you can take a hit, maybe the armor that puts scorch when you get attacked would do it. I've definitely killed the king with that armor before on my tanky builds.
>>544356253show me the strings you currently have in your various shift-v priorities
>summer day 1and i'm no closer to beating the game. spent the last few in-game days getting electronics 5 and working on the car. need mech 5 to mount my laser rife. i'm at 3. what's a good way to raise mech? i've just been working on the car (see bottom right of pic)alsolmao what is this, turns your hand into a grenade launcher? badasswe're cyberpunk now. the good news is that if i find installation prints, i get a guaranteed cbm install.the bad news is that I've only found one. being an intlet is suffering. guess i should just start looking for a nurse bot like anon said. how much better are your odds with one anyway?>went to the "survivor bunker"doesn't look like a LMOE. just kind of a little bunker with water.>>544351215it's definitely slower than when i started playing. i'm not really sure what the issue is, my computer is quite good. something with the mods, if i had to guess? i had an issue earlier where the game was crashing, related to pathing. I don't think that's normal.>>544355348you can't direct them to craft? i dont' mean independent craft. but C to talk to them A to give command and then C to craft.for example, boil water, cook lard, that sort of thingthat's the thing they're most useful for. at least, in dda, where there's tons of obnoxiously long duration crafts. i can see it being less necessary in BN.
>>544353736Something like this except instead of being a retard, play Ihra instead of Koszmar and don't worry about killing yourself with Astrohunting to Revenge
>>544356789I'd just literally never tried it before, it actually works just fine.
MfBe finished Dungeon/Lair/Orc, should I buy a lupine talisman? (I've already got Maw and Medusa)Also which weapon should I be using(I've got 14 polearms)>+9 spear of taxation {vamp, rElec, rN, Str+2}>+11 singing sword>+5 demon whip "Spellbinder " {antimagic, disrupt, Will}
Cuddling with my little spoon (male) kobold hunter of Jiyva and feeling his insides moving around under my grasp with the soothing and gentle regularity of a lava lamp...
>>544366052Splatted in shoals, got petrified next to an ogre and large rocked to death/ Frustrating since it seems like the branch was going to be totally free until I fucked up and held tab in a petrification cloud by accident.Also no fucking blink scrolls in the entire game, real pain in the ass.
So what's the lesson here, Beretta's suck ass? Beretta owners are troglodytes who couldn't maintain a weapon if their life depended on it?>>544366052Lupine is kind of like a miniature Uskayaw, right? Dumps a shit ton of slaying on you, too, and it's loud as fuck right? Singing Sword, may as well go all in- Though Spellbinder is tempting maybe nice to swap to, weapon swaps are fast, esp compared to form switch. Vamp is tempting maybe, but it's only on a Spear, Singing Sword I think.
>>544356116Crystal is an amazing form, you just have to take a few lvls in it and pair it with a god with easy charges.I forgot the names but the race that buffs damage reduction with inflexibility, the background which increases inflexibility with dex and the god that buffs your off hand item is a very strong combination.
>>544366957That you need to rein in your inner packrat.
>>544366992Oh, yeah. Siku, Myrm and Shieldmans.Does the retaliate hit bypass Crystal Form setting hit to 1? Crazy.I meant form loops, like... Take Priest and then do something to swap forms a couple times, since each time you replace your form stack it gets another 50% buff.The most obvious variation on that is Anqarak, but anything you can do to make it happen- Vineform or Jackal or something, idk. Crystal form is super strong I just have trouble getting the points into it a lot of the time too, with how expensive it is.
Yu is a silly god. I could not make any real build work with this god's 5 speed limit, so I just maxed poison skin and let the enemies hit me. I am a poison rock.
>>544367140Nah man I'm gonna try out some of those guns eventually. The elephant gun at least. Maybe an automatic and a shotgun, I dunno. Pick through those fancy sounding hand cannons and figure out which one's the most handcannonest of them all.Hmm, speaking of. BB gun or bullet crossbow trains rifles well, the mini-speargun I'll use on handguns tomorrow... But what about shotguns? Just gotta hustle up the brass and blow through some handloads if I wanna skill up between books?
>>544367604Mostly nothing gets closed between that, master freeze and stacking stuff based on those.When I get home I'll do a quick run.
>>544368217>which one's the most handcannonest of them all.From experience, the RM103A is about as handcannony as it gets
>>544368217You don't need 20 variations of 9mm handgun.
>haven't read the silmarillion so i can't appreciate sil qgg
>>544368942Sil Q cannot accurately model Turin who was a bigger badass than any of the Eldar around him. And also literally physically bigger, an absolute unit.
Is lost eidolons talked about here? Im enjoying it but did they have to make the enemy damage range square a purple thats almost completely invisible on most maps?
>>544374019That's not a roguelike, the spinoff might be a roguelite, but the original is just a TBS game
>>544374638Sorry im talking about the newest one witch veil. It's touted as one but I figured id try the general first.
Kek, CDDA devs really don't test their stuff. Bombastic perks mod recently got an addition of "Closetlands" perks that you can use to teleport and attune to closets, but it comes with sleepy debuff when you're inside the closetspace so you can't just set up shop in your personal pocket dimension. The bug? The debuff doesn't get removed once you leave, you're getting extremely sleepy within an hour and gain sleepiness faster than sleeping can remove. Just checking the character info screen after getting out would've caught this, but apparently that's too much of a bother.>p-play s-stableI don't give a fuck as I debug menu'd the effect away, I just find the incompetence hilarious.
>>544358616>survivor bunkeroh that's cute enoughI haven't figured out how to make them craft on their own but it's nice to have a few goons to give you a speed bonus to craftingthey can do construction on their own pretty good, or chop down trees>>544359834I like setting the '+' string to "corpse" and the 'f' string to "-pulped"let me know if you figure out a better way of finding corpses that will revive>>544366957you should only be bringing one of each type of gunlots of really good guns in that pile though>>544368217>how to level shotgunsblow zombies away with a shotgun repeatedly until you're out of ammo, hope this helps
>>544367604>>544368618I even did it without using the crow or skirt.
>>544333734Yours will be much shorter ;)Also, modes like Haste Trial, Arena Trial or especially Gauntlet are much shorter by design.
>>544356116Is it possible to avoid freezing yourself as Inuqqa? It stacks Freeze on you whenever you do Death damage but also removes your freeze every time you get a kill. It’s neat but seems like the worst of both worlds
>>544375564Make a bug report or go back to baby nights with broken builds, crashes, broken lab stairs and -999999999999999 armor watches.
testing followers in BN>there doesn't seem to be any concept of a camp. You can build a billboard, but this doesn't create a faction camp on the map. There's no conversation option with the follower to say "let's make a camp here".>you can't assign tasks from the billboard. It looks only cosmetic? i built one but i can't examine it.>naturally, none of the faction camp features exist. You can still # talk to your faction members, this doesn't need a camp>there are zones, and you can have your follower do things with the zones for example sort out loot. but it's not a menu option: you talk to them and in the conversation menu and in there you pick sort out loot>since there's no command menu, there's naturally no way to command crafting from it. followers cannot craft anything. they can still construct and cut planks.>followers don't remember where you told them to guard. they remember they *were staying put*. so if they move, for example to heal you, they'll stay put there even if it's in a weird position.>you cannot continue as a follower if you die
>>544399487yeahone of the contributors didn't like the faction camp system so it got stripped out, you'd have to dig into the issues and pull requests to find out why, they've never given a satisfactory answer when I asked
>>544399770it's a shame, i like followers in dda. the way they are in BN, i'm not sure if it's worth getting one.well, BN does things to make them less necessary, I guess. honestly in dda i don't feel comfortable without 2 fulltime crafting npcs. but in BN you don't have the long crafting times of dda. and you heal a lot faster, so something like "take over for a week while my legs heal" isn't so relevant. Still...it was definitely cute in DDA when i had a rat mutant follower who would cook and make clothes for me. i made a big bed and she would be sleeping next to my pc when i woke up. but i mean, that's a fun thing to do once and then move on.
>>544359565Crow hat and kairos skirt are kinda silly, especially with Death Staff making sure you always get the max number of summonsKilled the King with only the knock-on effects of entering the level
>>544404471>Neutering your damage output by /3:|>>544368196Yu is actually retarded strong, just need to make builds that clear the game on enter and abuse the +5 stacks.
>>544404471>>544386326I thought this was supposed to be an Inuqqa theme run. Genuinely 25% of my victory Maqbara took Crystalform.
>>544405279>Neutering your damage output by /3Unless I messed something up, 12 in Strength + 2 in Astrohunting means I'm Unencumbered + Flexible and I get all 3 Koszmar brain blasts>>544405495>I thought this was supposed to be an Inuqqa theme runStill trying to win with Inuqqa, but after dying yet again I took a break to grab the Arborus win
>>544405834Inflexibility anon...
>>544405495I was just showing off one of my fav crystalform builds.
>>544406062That's what I meant by 2 in Astrohunting, it gives -1 Inflexibility per level so I'm fully Flexible even with the Kairos SkirtIn theory Astrohunting could teleport me next to an enemy with Revenge and fuck me over but it never happened
>>544407335Oh.I forgot it does that, when I did arborus I just did archmage.
>BNwhich skill governs how much you can recover from disassembling bots and turrets?
>>544407581Even without it you might be better off going Kairos Skirt, since Arborus summons 30 wisps on game turn for a cool 90 extra brain blasts on every stand still
>>544409669I vaguely remember the math checking out as wp being last and thus getting turbo cucked by Kairos.Also you only need so much damage when you clear the room on enter :^}
>>544410063I honestly don't know which damage increase matters more, Willpower or Meditate, and Kairos Skirt causes Yu to increase my Meditate by 10% on every game turnNow I don't have any non-Kairos builds to test it against, but in the past I've failed to clear the room on enter, but getting 30 extra summons on every kill thanks to Crow Hat I've on-entered Path of Dust up to floor 40 (got bored and quit)
>>544410913Path of dust is boring as shit, wish I could automate it.Most of my builds can go past 40 floors but I get tired.
>>544411063On-enter builds are as automated as it gets lol. Could probably write a simple bot that hits Tab when you've cleared a roomLooking at the log I think that Willpower only multiplies the base damage, pre-Meditate, so these 15 base damage retorts are getting fuck all from it. Assuming you're doing Koszmar retorts as your main damage output, investing in Willpower or Flexibility just doesn't matter.
>>544411995forgot to attach the log
>>544412196Yeah seems I was wrong.
>>544412435At least you didn't sink 100 points in Willpower on a build that doesn't benefit from it like me lmao
>>544412857You need it for the summons slots anyways :^}Does remind me that maybe astral hunting, master teleport, teleport race, technique (so you don't instantly die), yu memes might be viable.
Go through four large cities, checking hunting supply stores for a compound bow, looking for it the entire gameFinally find one, long after I've surpassed the damage output of my composite greatbowThis asshole in the starting city had an entire Bow-Man kit sitting in his dresser this whole timeFuck am I gonna do with 2 compound bows? This sucks, booThat reminds me I learned to craft laser sights though, I should do that.
>>544410913Meditate and Charge are added on after Willpower. Willpower scales your regular Hits or "(do) Damage" values and it's strongest in redeal setups, where it double dips (example: If you redeal 25% of death damage as ice and deal 100 death damage, at 30 willpower you'll deal 400 Death hit then 100 x 4, 400 again. The 50% or 200% redeals are of course exponentially stronger)
>>544413385It should. Assuming you mean Stand Ground, not Technique.Master Doom fills the same purpose here. Stand Ground sequences well with Astrohunting iirc
Finally hit a King with enough health to tank my on-enter. I hit the Chundu and somewhere in those 30 Wisps he died, but the upper limit of this build is probably around here. Also likely depends on how many mooks spawn in the level to stack up Crow triggers.>>544413385>You need it for the summon slots anyways :^}Once you've got the Death Staff only one or two summons escape the blender. Astrohunting's Lightning & Astral aoe on Stand Still might be enough but I haven't tried it.>>544414078Good to know, thanks.
>>544414569I do, im just off the laptop rn and going off memory.
>>544392254Not that guy but I think you want to be over-encumbered on purpose with Inuqqa so it doesn't remove the stacks.>>544405279>clear the game on enterI'm sure some build can do that even to the King, but I struggled on single target every time when I tried, so I did tank build to win with this god instead. It's much easier to get enough damage when you're not stuck with such a specific one turn win condition. Yu has the best form of counter damage too, since it works on ranged enemies instead of just melee ones.
>>544415021I only do clear all on enter builds, they aren't that hard. The main thing is trigger Cascades and feedback loops.When I get home I can post some, but I've posted them all here before.
>>544413487>compound bowI found mine in a sporting goods store
6 electronics babyI've just about cleared out this city. grabbed 5 mini-nukes (there are 30 at the top of the tower) and two of these plutonium generators. There are a few areas I haven't looted, like a school and a craft shop but I think it's time to move on.Where to next? The refugee center is 500 tiles away. There are multiple military installations nearby, including a cataclysm++ bunker (i've never been strong enough to bust into that before), a military outpost, and a military silo. ideally i'd like to progress the game and stop the cataclysm, but i haven't found any clues for that. The science tower didn't give me any hints, just loot, but I got directions to an underground lab. I could also try just driving around and looking for something like a TCL or a lab.I could try training computers, so that I can hack into the terminals in the science tower. IIRC they have some lore, it might be needed to find out how to close the portal.I was going to stay in this city longer and recruit some followers, but after testing (viz. >>544399487 ), i realized that the follower system in BN doesn't have the functions I wanted (principally: continue as follower & follower crafting). So I'm just going to leave them. I cleared out the zombies around each area a survivor is in, so they should be safe even if I don't take them with me.
>>544415021>Not that guy but I think you want to be over-encumbered on purpose with Inuqqa so it doesn't remove the stacks.Oh, shit. Thanks
>>544414652Tk2K5 or whatever on the Achra Discord has done the most pushing on Path of Dust. Long story short, more and more minions spawn as you go further- But that doesn't stop at a "reasonable" point and eventually the only build capable of pushing further has to have two things: >Mura prestigeBecause the Pearl Mirror will force room for itself to spawn, guaranteeing a non-enemy space and>PlagueBecause the dust creatures will gleefully stack every resistance to max
>>544417721I think one of the lab finales has the portal but also you probably have to do the Hub-01 questline?Just guessing
>>544419210How do you get mura and plague?I've done mura builds before but I can't fit plague into them.
>>544420539On further review I've mixed up some different conversations on the matter.Mura/Ragna Axe/Humbaba is one of the best contenders for highest Dust runs right now, owing almost entirely to how quickly it clears (Full screen on enter builds that have to process hundreds of semi-recursive triggers work, but take ten times as long); The issue IS that you can't reliably not have a pack of Revenge enemies spawn next to you and no amount of defense (besides stacking DI refreshes and lucky kill order) can stop that from killing you.The plague thing came from a different chat about what scenarios plague is ever actually good in and I got them mixed up a bit.
>>544422331Plague can't dip into negatives, can it?
>>544408450I've never noticed anything changing that
>>544417721the refugee center doctor quests will take you to the endgame lab iirc
>>544422558ah. i was disassembling some |\ secubots and got nothing for it, not even scrap metal. crafts were below 2, highest was fab 2.tried again later with skills in 4-6 range and got about what i expected.i wonder how ti works.
>>544212748qud won a bafta
>>544431738Qud isn't new.
>>544426253hmmmmm weird
I'm late to the party but I just learned that CDDA removed both "stats through kills" and "stats through skills" mods. They always felt hyper unbalanced but I've been wondering if there's any alternative that'd allow for slow improvement of stats?
>>544398293most coherent DDA fan
>>544431931elinapproaching infinitystoneshard
>>544432330mutations and bionics, presumably
>>544432330>but I just learned that CDDA removed both "stats through kills" and "stats through skills" mods.they're in my latest experimental dda, and in stable.it was probably just broken since they broke a lot of stuff recently
>>544432330>I've been wondering if there's any alternative that'd allow for slow improvement of stats?try bombastic perks.you get points on level up the way you would on STK, and can spend them on perks. You can take the +1 stat perk up to twice for the same stat.
>you can just repair your vehicle in BNimpossible
>>544434854Oh that's an idea. Not a fan of bombastic in general but I could just use that little piece of it. Thanks.>>544434523Neither one from 20th or 27th of October experimental builds have them. We'll see what's up with that I guess.
>>544435402Yeah bro we know DDA doesn't believe in the right to repair and none of them have ever met a mechanic in their life but it's not impossible in reality.
>>544426253Start with 100% chance to disassemble an undamaged item's individual components, decrement it to .8 and then these powers for each 1/4 step down- this is rolled against each of the items you might get back, afaict.Then uh...Fuckin stupid, but you roll 2+(4*your relevant skill) dice that have 16+(your int) sides against... (Disassembly difficulty) dice with 24 sides.(24 sides for 16+"average int(8)"And if you beat that number, you get that component.I think. So you've generally got a pretty good chance of getting the items anyways- A broken_secubot item has a difficulty of 6, so if you get your Electronics (that's the relevant skill btw) up to 6 you're rolling 26d24 against 6d24. Lol, lmao even, am I right?Pretty much you only have relevant material loss based on (always) the item damage level and (relatively) when you have abysmally low skills.I think it stores the skills as whole integers and not like... 6/10. As sill as 26d24 sounds, 2.4d24 definitely isn't right.
why isn't it working?
MeBr^Yred(holy shit this beats the pants off manual necromancy holy fuck this is WAY BETTER), how much dodging should I be training? I found some +4 chainmail which totally tanks my Ev and stealth, but the army of undead and +11 freezing dagger I found have compensated for it.I've got 7 EV with 8 skill right now, 11Str 18 Dex.Also should I just keep pumping dex or would some points in strength to help compensate for the armor be a good idea.
>>544437469Bizarre, looks like the alert for shutting down engines when you have "fuel saving mode" turned on.BN doesn't have a way to set that for non-engine CBMs like nanobots, though, I don't think.It just shouldn't fire if you're fully healed, not shut off. And you're probably not starving, though I can't be sure- I think in DDA that's hidden info and that "hunger" readout is just green based on if you've eaten a lot of food or not lately, calories are separate?
>>544438326Yeah "Sated" just means a full belly, it doesn't mean you're not thin as a rail and suffering from malnourishment from weeks of starvation.
>>544437480I have zero ascensions, I think strength maxing sounds cool
luck correlates with skill
>>544399770It was never in BN in a functioning way, DDA got it after the split and it was never backported.
How would you guys break this bunker? It looks like it has 5.56 turrets along the sides and 7.62 turrets at the corners.>turrets all around this bunker>me, a genius: holdon, I've got NVGs. I can just drive up close and then take them out with grenades at night>me at night: why can they see me perfectly aaaahwell the good news is they've fired about thirty shots and i haven't been hit. car seems undamaged too. Steel plated ballistic glass ftw>>544437469>removed itchy metal thing>works fine now>>544438326I figured it out. The installation was faulty.I recruited a follower with high int and a bunch of skills so I was able to install most of my bionics successfully.
>>544441321I usually snipe at turrets. A good rifle with a scope tends to be more accurate at max range than the wild fire shit coming out of a turret, so usually you can get them without them being able to hit you. The risk being they CAN hit you and tear you to pieces if you're unlucky.
>>544442306this
one shot - one killi hit 100% of my shots btw
>>544439843That's not luck, you've gotta find one eventually and just polygel it from th->waterlogged tunnelOh fuck off, lmao
>>544443910>your skill in marksmanship has increased to 1>kekwheezing
It's a race against time boys!
