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big head edition

Store links:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1030300/Hollow_Knight_Silksong
https://store.steampowered.com/app/367520/Hollow_Knight

Interactive Map:
https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom
Game Save Analyzer / Tacker:
https://silksong-completionist.com/
Wiki:
https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Hollow_Knight_Wiki

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VICTORY! THIS WAS MY MOUNT EVEREST.

I feel like i went through Platforming training from Hell. Act 1 double jump is REAL
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>>543938676
Fanart for this game goes too hard. Like my cock for insectoid pussy.
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You DO own a life size Hornet statue, right?
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>>543939551
Raw, steamy, wet bug pussy.
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>>543938676
Lost a battle because of a glitch
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>>543939545
Nicely done.
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Why did TC do everything in their power to make beast crest shit?
>rage DPS is not even 10% higher than just using wanderer's
>lose half the base rage duration if you get hit during
>extra rage duration on hit doesn't apply if you're already full health
>dash attack and pogo both have 15-16 frame startup, the slowest of any crest other than charging with architect
>dash attack and pogo both throw you forward well before the hitbox becomes active
>dash attack sends you directly upward on hit so you can't follow up with anything
>no blue tools
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>>543942459
The no blue tools part is the part that kills it. Could easily include one without being broken.
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>>543942459
I just easily plowed through the high halls gauntlet with beast crest

Flintslate and fast bind means absurd damage and allows you to do risky stuff

Beast crest pogo is a great range tool and has generous I frames

If you want to chain pogos you need to micro-adjust by moving away from the target.
Practice on those balloons in greymoor for tricky pogos

Its a good crest. The only real minus is the lack of blue slots.
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>>543945264
>Beast crest pogo is a great range tool and has generous I frames
It's also hilariously good for enemies that try to flee.
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Woow!
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Holy crap i feel like a kid in a playground. Act 1 double jump is so much fun
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Okay lace 2 is gonna be a problem
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>>543947274
Okay after about ten tries I can dodge her attacks and get to second phase. But any sort of aggression gets very punished by design

Not fun at all but I will beat her tomorrow
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I love her so much it hurts bros...
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>>543950029
literally who
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>>543950179
Voice actress of half of the characters including POSHANKA
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>>543950959
POSHANKA
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I think i bugged the game somehow. I guess youre not supposed to have double jump in act 1 cause i see Pilby both in Bone Bottom and Pilgrims Rest
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Is the parasite the same thing as the white lady? The both seem kinda rooty.
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This game was so good that it fucking ruined everything else for me, tried lies of p and got bores, e33 and got bores, cuphead and got bored, hades and got bored etc.
Any game as good as Silksong?
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>>543957727
Mushihimesama.
Continuing the bug theme.
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>>543939794
I want a Hollow Knight statue also the game's turbulent development was made evident in Act 3
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>Lace: Look at you, sleeping down there like you've only just hatched! Silly little spider.
>Lace: And think! I could have pinned you to the stone to rest forever beside the shells of your ancestors.
>Hornet: Yet you let me live while I lay defenceless. Your words feign more cruelty than your actions suggest.
>Hornet: What is your role here, pale child? Do you abide the silk sickness that strikes this land? Do you aid it? Or would you fight against it?
>Lace: What dull questions, little spider! I care nothing for this lands wasting. Only curiosity brought me here, deep under the Kingdom, where the songs are but a whisper.
>Lace: To delight in your pathetic plight is enough! You are a rare treat, entertainment this decaying kingdom rarely grants.
Huh so Lace was supposed to greet Hornet when she knocks herself out absorbing a new skill in one of the places. Neat.
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>>543954607
Weird things happen when you sequence break because NPC progression seem to be tied to specific events.
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>>543939794
Hornet is like 5-6 feet and the bugs aren't tiny.

I will die on this hill.
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>>543960153
Also implied bits like GMS leaving the Bell Beast for Hornet and the big bells weakening GMS were a bit more explicit at one point.
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>>543960308
you can't dig tunnels as closely together as we see in game at a human scale
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>>543960308
There's really nothing to support that they're anything but regular bug size.
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>>543960819
If they're regular bug size then that quote about Hornet's needle throw covering 20 or 30 yards gets really, really funny.
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I know GMS was written to be less evil in the final draft of the story , probably to pay more into Motherhood... I just can't prove it
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>>543961601
She'd need to be like 10 yards tall for it to make sense in the first place since it only really travels about a little over twice your height.
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>>543960740
It's a video game.
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>>543962541
@Grok Is this true?
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>>543960819
Rain drops among other things.
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So why is the surface sucu a hellscape that everyone is forced to live underground?
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>>543939545
Congrats.
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>>543964080
Thanks buddy. Now to Groal it up
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>>543949268
>But any sort of aggression gets very punished by design
If you trigger her riposte, jump directly upwards. Double jump if you have too. Should be able to clear it no prob.
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>>543961741
Femcel antagonist
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>>543963183
I'd say that's more of a stylistic choice, since realistic sized water droplets would take up too much screen space.
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>>543954607
It'd be crazy if the way to save Pilby and get him to Songclave is by getting Act 1 double jump.
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>>543961741
Based on what exactly? They still opened the game with the "you're a cunt" quote.
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>>543956765
Hornet does mention Greyroot isn't a bug.
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>>543963419
it's a post-human polluted world where all vertebrates are extinct
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>>543960153
When was this convo?
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This was for my snail buddies you bozo
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>>543965123
It's just on the cut content page on the wiki.
https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)
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>>543964336
You insanity only becomes more apparent.
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>>543965369
>>543965172
As does your skill.
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>>543965467
>>543965369
turns out you can go do first sinner aswell but it looks like i cant progress Ducts further until i can go from the Memorium route
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>>543966156
on second thought maybe ill try to go kill father of the flames and then try if i can get in through underworks
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>>543966338
You absolutely can.
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>>543966524
i wonder if ill get a cutscene
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>>543966857
Guessing you'll just get the same cutscene as going through the exhaust organ.
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>>543966857
>>543966338
Someone did this and I don't remember if they got a cutscene or not. I think Act 2 started for them in that spot in Choral Chambers where you first meet Lace there.
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I don't know about the rest of the citadel bugs, or even the other bugs in the vaults, but I believe I may have discovered what exactly the vaultkeepers are (with the exception of Cardinius, who looks weird as fuck compared to the rest of them.)
Basically, I think that they are like those skull guys in the marrow, the ones with five legs in their infancy but lose one when they mature into the skull brute. The vaultkeepers also have all of these features, alongside hiding in a shell to look more imposing, in addition to their large hats. The scuttlers seem to be good at traversing various types of terrain, considering how they can survive in the marrow, and how there is a large amount of creatures similar to them (Fertids, furms, crust crawlers and shellwood gnats, for the sake of simplicity, I'll call the skull bugs skull gnats), which would be nice for the caste which is supposed to maintain the archives with all it's shelves. Gnats also seem to be quite smart bugs, making usage of objects in their domains with which to shield their squishy, shell-less bodies (exception to this being the fertids, who's camoflage is natural), so if this behaviour isn't instinctual, this could indicate a high intelligence in them, which would be another plus to their task.

The only holes I can see in this are that the vaultkeeper's legs have little hairs on them, and that they couldn't possibly have been elevated by GMS, since they don't seem blessed with silk, and if my timeline of the gnats is correct, the modern ones only come after Karak's destruction. (Also sorry for the reddit spacing, if I could make a regular paragraph, I would and tried on this post)
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Is gooning to Hollow Knight chill. They look femboyish
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This was the first time in the game i felt handicapped playing reaper. First Sinner is so fast paced you can barely get a hit in. But act 1 Sinner is also down. Time to climb mount Fay again to fix the tool
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By the way if anyone wants to play around with act 1 double jump i have the save file where you start at the top of mount fay with double jump. The game isnt progressed much at all
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As expected 0 cutscenes if you enter the citadel through Underworks. Still that was a very fun run i did everything that was possible with double jump. Highely recommend for a fresh experience
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>>543974610
heres a very fun detail. I proceeded to Choral Chambers it was empty. I finally got the cutscene when i entered the place where you meet Lace in act 2.
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>>543976505
That's how it goes generally. The place is empty until Hornet tells GMS to bring it the fuck on after Lace tries to taunt her.
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>>543956765
i think so

The White Lady and Greyroot are both plants. They have a similar appearance compared to other plants like Nyleth. The White Lady and Greyroot both have a strong urge to reproduce. The White Lady might be related. But, obviously, she has a more developed prefrontal cortex, so that she can actually resist her innate urges, if she thinks they will be harmful.

It's implied that the Pale King creates civilization, and gives bugs minds; although maybe that's just Kingdom propaganda. It's possible that Greyroot is what The White Lady would be like had she never been influenced by The Pale King.
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>>543979676
The White Lady is also very much a peer of the PK so she probably got her eat a pale being phase over with ages ago.
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>>543979676
I'd say the existence of other kingdoms of intelligent bugs kind of puts a damper on the idea that the Pale King is the reason bugs have been elevated, or at the very least that it's an ability unique to him.
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Maybe i'm just a bitter GILF-hater, but Grand Mother Silk is a stupid name for a character who doesn't even have grandchildren. They could have called her Origin of Silk, and her abbreviation would have been OOS, which is actually pronounceable.
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>>543980510
I mean, for starter's her name is Grand Mother SIlk, not Grandmother Silk. If you consider the weavers her children, then Hornet would definitely be something of a grandchild of hers.
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>>543980432
well, it's confirmed not to be unique to The Pale King, since GMS elevated weavers to personhood by force-evolving an animal-like arachnid. But it might be something that is unique to Pale Beings.
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Did you know you could kill the Sprintmaster? How many of you did so?
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>Never played the first HK
>fell for the hype with SS

So one thing I don't get in Act 2, is why is Silk making zombies in the Citadel? Hornet uses silk both to heal and fight, but whatever's at the top is behind the Haunting? Whiteward implies the Citadel bugs used Silk attempting to become immortal?

And Hornet's part Weaver, same as the silly prankster at the top of Bellheart?
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>>543985342
You can also kill his pet/assistant.
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>Watching Bone Bottom slowly empty out of buggers
Sad
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>>543985514
Little guy didn't deserve that.
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>>543985342
>>543985514
Something something animal instinct
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>Reaper + Longclaw + Weavelight + Silkshot (Fey)
peak comfy megasilk gameplay
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Eyehole-eating is such a weird workaround for lacking a mouth, but in a fun way.
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I loved bilewater and Groal. Best zone in the game by far
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Most fun boss so far
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>>544000045
honestly me too. I wanted more i wanted them to push me to my extremes
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>>544002759
What was gms thinking
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>>544003369
>>544002759
You know for once i dont totally object to this ship. Who the fuck else is Hornet supposed to partner with the only preudoimmortal beings are Lace and her brothers
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>>543960819
But then I couldn't properly plap Hornet....
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>>544003493
Also Lace needs silk to survive and Hornet is the only one left to produce it
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>>544003493
>union that doesn't end with a child
>from a bloodline that literally cannot conceive or makes mentally ill/defective offspring
>from the bloodline that utterly ruined Pharloom through inefficient, fatuous leadership, sheer corruption and myopic vision
Her daddy's genes would kick in, and force her to choose a better partner.

Lace is simply antithetical to good being a good patron to bugfolk. A constant drain on resources, bad priors, bad genes, bad character and zero upsides. Likely a vampire that subsisted on cannibalism. Has not accomplished anything in hundreds of years. A terrible pairing.
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>>544004081
Hornet can fix her.
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>>544004081
Loser brat needs correction
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So Hollow Knight: Shitstorm when?
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>>544004154
>>544004235
As a side piece, mistress or something, sure. Thankfully Hornet is autistic and stoic enough to understand that her duty is towards the people and towards furthering her bloodline. Shame about those semi-sterile Weaver genes but again, that falls on GMS being a fucking retarded ruler.
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>>544004081
Is the Lace you meet at the start the same Lace you rescue, or does GMS reconstruct her when she's defeated?
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>>543985342
>>543985514
Huh? How? And if so, do you still get the mask piece and memento?
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>>543985389
>And Hornet's part Weaver, same as the silly
Yes, Widow is full weaver to our knowledge. Hornet is half weaver. In HK you get to see her mother is Hera and her father is the Pale King.
>why is Silk making zombies in the Citadel?
To do her bidding. One of that bidding being to capture Hornet.
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>>544008000
Herrah, at least looking at her physiology, seems to be at most a half-blood, given how radically she departs from the base Weaver physique with things like her horns and chunky abdomen. It’s probably Pale King’s genes that in turn caused Hornet’s ability to weave Silk to be on the level (if not greater than) a full-blooded Weaver.
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The first sinner doesnt exist by the time we get to her cell right?
Since we fight him in a memory
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>>544010175
*her
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>>544010175
She's still there, but like a mummy or something
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>>544008527
Post-pregnancy physique might hit weavers particularly hard btw
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Imagine Hornet on all eight, scuttling towards you with wall-grippy toes and going straight for your dick
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>>544006994
Huh, hadn't thought of that possibility.
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>>544010175
She's there in the same remnantish way all the other weavers who got enshrined are. She's just way more aggro and makes Hornet fight for it if she wants the powerup.
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>>544015337
I dont think GMS put the other weavers in the shrines tho
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>>544008527
>Herrah, at least looking at her physiology, seems to be at most a half-blood
Rude. Calling her a half-blood 'cause she's fat. She was literally a weaver queen. That could just be what she had to be like in order to bear a child. It's really hard and painful for them to breed. Ant Queen Karmelita got pretty big too.
Also, Weavers came from pharlids. It's possible Herrah was ascended from a different but related bug. Or just a really fat pharlid.
Also, per the Choral Commandment:
>Decree of the Citadel, dirty and worn. "Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk. Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage."
Along with Widow's:
>"Ohhhh! She is here! The rare birthling! Precious child of Wyrm and Weaver!"
I think we can assume she's 50% weaver and 50% wyrm.
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Rework Scuttlebrace. Its literally slower than just running and you have less control. It makes no sense
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>>544021567
it's a faster backdash than turning around and dashing
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>>544015741
Yeah GMS wasn't responsible for them but it ended up as the same sort of setup.
>Last words of the Weavers.
>"Sisters, spiders, the burden is passed. These simple bugs shall bear it full. Never to cease. Never to silence.
>We shall die, and wait, and pray, that one may come of silken strength enough to weave us free."
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Amusing that freshwater is like alcohol to muckmaggots.
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Sad :(
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>>544025172
it wasnt that sad she died of old age. I can think of 2 bugs that had worse ends
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>>544025172
>all those butterflies before Hornet arrived
Did she have a ghost fanclub?
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>did carmelita second try needle only on my 100% run
I still love her
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Been playing Hollow Knight (just beat Pantheon of the Knight), and I am so glad Silksong lets you turn off camera shake.
It's also easy to lose track of little ghost when contact damage and explosions occur. Silksong wasn't quite as bad. I wish TC had adjusted the contrast a bit, and endeavored to make sure ghost was always visible.
Still a great game.
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>>544019507
I need to find all those lore pieces
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my 100% steel soul run continues...

the most tricky bullshit in act 2 has now been surpassed (as in, for me (unravelled, far fields mask piece, voltnest, and this quest)
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Lorechads, why IS everything so shit?
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>>544032110
women
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>>544032110
Conductors
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>>544032110
>GMS wanted to play dolls, creating her two daughters and uplifting the Weavers to be her servants.
>Weavers gradually grow resentful of their position and stage a rebellion, trapping GMS in dormancy via song
>To prevent themselves from basically being trapped forever by playing GMS’s sealing song, the groundwork for the Citadel (actually a giant fucking music box to calm GMS) and its accompanying society is made through more Weaver fuckery
>The Weavers fuck off in all directions, meanwhile the colossal pyramid scheme that is The Citadel takes over Pharloom
>Only the Conductors, the head honchos of Citadel society are aware of what the Citadel actually is and the true purpose of their false religion beyond simply drawing in more suckers to enslave
>Time passes
>Some fuckers in White Ward figure out that GMS’s lingering Silk can be used to effectively make bugs immortal, much like Lace and Phantom
>This behind the basis of the Haunting, allowing GMS’s silk to basically spread all throughout Pharloom via silk-infused bugs and their offspring, influencing the kingdom unconsciously.
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>just found Bilewater

this is going to be the area that makes me quit this game isn't it?
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>>544036079
Just save it for later.
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>>544037353
how much later? I'm in act 2 and just need to complete the Architect gauntlet...
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Wait that's it?

Where the fuck is Act 3?
You said there'd be an Act 3 Eggman
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>>544038229
You got bamboozled.
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>>544037737
s long as you have all available nail upgrades and a few extra masks bilewater's a breeze
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>>544034531
Tldr; GMS is a narcissistic psychopath that can be "switched off" by soothing with calming adoration and flattery

There's no actual deep slumber in GMS. She's fully functional and capable of making decisions. She just has no need for lower bugs and doesn't give a rats ass if the kingdom falls, as long as she gets worshipped.
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>>544038229
>he fell for it
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>>544037737
You need double jump to complete bilewater anyway. You can leave completing bilewater for the very last place in Act 2, if you want. Heck, you technically don't even need Bilewater to beat the game if I'm not mistaken. It is needed for reaching Act 3 though.
And yes, if nothing else, this is the place in Act 2 to make you quite the game.
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>>544037737
Unironically you can save it until Act 3 but at the same time you should probably go there for Shakra's map
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>>544038229
>He got the ADHD ending
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I just happened to leave Bilewater and High Halls for last and I had an extremely easy time with it. Maybe my expectations were high because there was a lot of noise for high halls gauntlet and bilewater gauntlet but they were manageable with all the upgrades and tools
High halls felt extremely short though.
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>>544038229
>He got the skill issue ending
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>>544045583
Most of the problems with high halls and Bilewater is people going there immediately when discovering it instead of coming back later
It's the same sort of thing that happened with Hunter's. If you go back to those areas later they're non-issues
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>>544045583
It's not necessarily that Bilewater's gauntlet is hard. It's that it's a gauntlet before a boss + a long runback.
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>>544038229
>fucking 4channiggers being high and mighty
>look it up
>did literally everything except I don't have enough fleas
>counting the ones in the caravan brings me to 14 or something
>no way to cross-reference which ones I'm missing
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>>544045950
Yeah but Groal himself is fairly easy ? Just shoot him with your gun and throw boomerangs and jobs a good 'un
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>>544045994
>>no way to cross-reference which ones I'm missing
There's 2 ways. There's a flea in P.Ducts that you can find that tells you where the ones you're missing are for a price. Two, you can use the save analyzer in the OP.

>>544046039
That's assuming you have those tools and use tools. Most players probably die a few times to him and/or his gauntlet at least.
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>>544045994
You can go to Pewter Fried Ducks and buy some flea map locations from a hidden NPC.
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>>544046418
Oh yeah I died several times. I'm just saying there's a clear path to victory.
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>>544045994
Go to the Putrified Ducts. There's a flea there that tells you where all the others are
Also you need to do all the wishes (that are available) in Act 2
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>>544046418
>>544047249
>There's a flea in P.Ducts that you can find that tells you where the ones you're missing are for a price
Possibly the single best tip itt
Thanks anon, that's going to cut down on the CBT significantly
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High halls also give cogflies, which are very strong against gauntlets.

Seems like the devs wanted us to use them.
Maybe cogflies aren't manly enough who knows
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>>544047801
They put them there for the people they knew would get filtered by the gauntlet otherwise.
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>>544047801
The devs want you to use tools period. Anyone that doesn't use tools are just intentionally performing cbt on themselves
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>>544047801
>gives you cogflies right before
>room that turns off the most annoying enemy
>2 different NPCs who can help you during the fight
>2 nail upgrades become available right before you have access to that section
I feel like they were very generous with this bit. You'll only eat shit if you decide to try it straight out of Dancers.
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>>544048307
Spoken like someone who is too much of a pussy to torture their cock and balls.
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>>544048935
The game's entire mantra is "literally explore and do everything". Most issues people have is because they didn't do either and just rushed in
Hell, to get to Act 3 you have to... literally explore and do everything
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>>544048283
Did you play hollow knight using only the shit charms? What a big, brave boy,
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>>544048307
Clappers got deleted by flintslate and beast bind. Game works as intended.
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>>544049686
I played with the thumbstick shoved up my ass, like a real man.
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>>544049872
More like the clappers got.. clapped
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>>544045583
Same.
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>>544032110
they're all just bugs. It's amazing that things aren't way worse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA7Id7lff6E
she's such a qt bros
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>>544052106
>Shakra looks like THAT
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>>544051834
Very mammal-centric thinking there.
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>>544051834
>>544032110
The root of all evil in Pharloom can be sourced back to "grand" mother Silk

Like genuinely any other bug on top of the pyramid would do a better job. Literally anyone, including Kratt or Zote would be preferable and result in better outcomes.

Its every bug's duty to plunge a dagger into GMS' heart
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>>544055546
The Mount Fay map also covers The Slab.
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>>544055619
thanks anon <3
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got through act 2 on steel soul...

I think that's genuinely "the hard part" over
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>>544025172
She had huge tits.
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>>544056486
Be careful of the BS about to come. Remember void stuff does double masks.
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>>544056643
yeah I know

I save quit at the start of act 3 because I am NOT trying that first gauntlet with 4 masks. Fuck off with that
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>wow that thing looks cool
>look up how you get it
>it was in an area you already went to behind a hidden wall
Fuck these fucking walls. It's not fun, it's just a waste of time.
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>>544053548
She's not ruling. She's sleeping. What sort of mismanagement and tyranny was there when GMS was awake and ruling? She lied to the weavers about their origin, to make them feel less like losers? What else?
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>>544063754
She still chose to elevate a bunch of feral spiders to godhood. Any mismanagement that came after is on her for that.
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>>544064176
I think that's genuinely fair. Like blaming Caesar for getting assassinated (should have had better security); or blaming Alexander for not having a better succession plan (young people die all the time, he needed an undisputed heir to his empire). But other than getting betrayed by her "daughters", which she really should have had a good contingency plan for, I don't know that GMS did anything wrong in her actual governance.
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>>544063754
>She lied to the weavers about their origin, to make them feel less like losers?
Didn't she force them to work for her and punished those that were too weak to work or that doubted who she really was to them?
And isn't that why the weavers tried to escape from her by putting her to sleep? Then fled once they realized they can't actually take control there since she would always be the true ruler?
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>>544065101
The implication is GMS was always shitty, the Weavers weren't heroes for subduing her, they were just the new management.
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>>544052106
Any time I think about the voice actors I just keep imagining Ari and William in the sound booth singing the squirrm song
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>>544063754
Conductors are under orders to nab Hornet in particular and bring her to GMS.

GMS can spin a daughter while "asleep", then grow tired of one, spin a new one, and sentence the other to a slow death laboring in the puckering asshole of the citadel... while ~~~~asleep~~~~

Why is there even a system of bringing the best, most worthiest and devout pilgrims up to the cradle if not for her benefit?

The citadel is set up for her benefit. Its a "suck GMS' dick" machine, and it performs to spec.

Being "asleep" really doesn't excuse her for not acting when she can. She has power by game start. She can influence peasants to do what she wants. She has several agents in Pharloom, under her direct control.

Or Widow doesn't count? lace doesn't count? If GMS somehow is unable to act then, and somehow make these agents break the """"curse"""" or """"spell""""", then what's she doing? Widow says she's acting on her orders.

The latest she can "wake" is when the citadel itself springs to unlife. That's a conscious decision, based solely on the arrival of Hornet. If you persist on claiming she's somehow unconscious here, all this notwithstanding, we're talking about a super irregular definition of sleep, essentially a magical condition that excuses a person of ALL wrongdoing and gives carte blanche to all crimes and all evil.
Citadel is not a system designed to "trap" a being. Its a system designed to placate a tyrannical psychopath with way too much power over the common bug.

The kicker is that as long as you can fondle her balls and make sure she has a tinder app full of people worshipping her, you can pretty much do whatever you want as the 2IC. Which ends in ruin since corruption seeps from the top.

And when she *does* wake up, she's simply not interested in ruling at all. She's an egomaniac that simply cannot function.

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>>544070731
>Why is there even a system of bringing the best, most worthiest and devout pilgrims up to the cradle if not for her benefit?
The weaver set this up so GMS could sleep forever. That was the original idea.
>Pontiff Needolin dialogue: "Damned bugs... We prayed a cage... We sang your chains... Divine Silk..."
>Hornet and Mask Maker dialogue: Hornet: "You speak of the Citadel? Its former function has failed, but I can still sense its purpose, some. It is church and cage both." Mask Maker: "Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule."
>The citadel is set up for her benefit. Its a "suck GMS' dick" machine, and it performs to spec.
Yet the citadel is silent now.
>Being "asleep" really doesn't excuse her for not acting when she can. She has power by game start. She can influence peasants to do what she wants. She has several agents in Pharloom, under her direct control.
No, no. She didn't have that power yet. While asleep she can do a bit, but not much. Once the bugs started putting silk into themselves, she was able to then control them since that silk acted like a homing beacon for her own silk.
> Surgeon Hunter's Journal entry: "Their procedures with Silk may have prolonged life within the Citadel, but they unknowingly gifted many minds to the monarch."
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dead game
dead general
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>>544071296
>Hornet: "You speak of the Citadel? Its former function has failed, but I can still sense its purpose, some. It is church and cage both." Mask Maker: "Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule."
Here's one of those bits where metaphor, double meaning and propaganda all serve to *one-shot* the minds of some midwits.

Same with Hallownest proclamations (Higher beings, these words..)
Just absolutely cannot handle a slight theatrical allusion to material reality.

Try to square this with GMS activity, her creation of multiple daughters and long plans to kidnap Hornet as part of a wider pogrom against Weavers.

How did GMS create a large scale, vast distance plan to attack and kidnap weavers using Haunted minions without consciousness? While asleep, essentially?

Could it be that this is not something one could really call a sleep, in truth?
That she's guilty of every single wrongdoing in Pharloom?
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>>544070731
>>544071704
Baited me
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xiT1BcdIhzM
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What the hell, are these guys just not in Steel Soul?
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>>544075258
Pretty sure they are.
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>>544076419
Different spots maybe?
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>>544072751
Impossible for proponents of "GMS sleeping is literal" theory to even attempt to explain the plot of the game without running into issues.

This is also why people simply don't discuss the game lore.
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>>544077706
There's a good reason people don't put much thought into the lore, Team Cherry clearly didn't.
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>>544034531
>>GMS wanted to play dolls, creating her two daughters and uplifting the Weavers to be her servants.
>>Weavers gradually grow resentful of their position and stage a rebellion, trapping GMS in dormancy via song
>>To prevent themselves from basically being trapped forever by playing GMS’s sealing song, the groundwork for the Citadel (actually a giant fucking music box to calm GMS) and its accompanying society is made through more Weaver fuckery
>>The Weavers fuck off in all directions, meanwhile the colossal pyramid scheme that is The Citadel takes over Pharloom
Minor correction, GMS did a large chunk if not all of the conquering herself.
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>>544077706
It's not hard to explain. She can do things while asleep. That's not a stretch. White Lady can sense the Knight from inside her weird cocoon thing. The Radiance is like, basically dead or whatever, and it can still turn people into zombies. Gods in HK lore can just turn bugs into zombies no matter what their current status is.
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>>544079375
What's the functional difference between GMS being asleep and awake if she can do complicated stuff while asleep
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>>544039865
I've got to appreciate just how charmingly fucked up it was for GMS to stick Phantom in a place she can't safely leave because the maggots are instant death for her.
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And with that, I am finally done with my no fast travel run.
Overall , it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The game is very very clearly built around the idea of the player using the bell beast and ventrica systems, but it's surprisingly viable to move around the map with ease once you unlock enough movement abilities and shortcuts.
Having shortcuts like the one you unlock below the Bellhart bellway and below the chapel of the witch be actually useful felt good.
My main complaint is that there's a lack of shortcuts to bring you from the act 1 areas up to the Citadel and its surroundings. The only real ways there are the ways that you go through to activate act 2, such as through the Grand Gate and Exhaust Organ, or the Wisp Thicket once you get that area unlocked. None of them are particularly good for repeated journeys between the Citadel and other areas. Fleatopia became an even bigger pain to reach, and I only went when absolutely necessary.

I would not wish this experience on anyone, and urge you to never follow my example. I will never be doing this again.
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>>544080551
She can do more shit while awake, like shooting you with big needles and moving around the place.
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>>544082547
Seems like she was safer asleep, since we couldn't even reach her when she was in the cocoon.
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>>544045994
>go looking around for an hour
>get the Maiden's soul, and Groal, then give up and find a guide on where to go
>eat shit to Black Thread for a bit
>get the first Act 3 boss
Act 3 goes kinda hard ngl
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>>544082179
I salute your sacrifice. Your posts about non-bellbeast weirdness were interesting, and it makes me wonder why none of the testers tried this method.
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>>544083776
bell eater is peak meaning it's all downhill from there
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Lace = mesugaki
Hornet = nopan
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>>544083776
It goes up from here lad
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>>544083845
I doubt they thought anybody would be stupid enough to try this.
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>>544082179
Thank you for your service.
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>>544083893
Nah. Abyss escape is kino.
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>>544058000
>Fuck these fucking walls. It's not fun, it's just a waste of time.
>he lacks the sense of discovery
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>Escape the Abyss sequence
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I think I may be the only retard who is interested in seeing a 3d version of the Citadel, after seeing those cutscenes at the start of act 2, I really wish I could explore more about that place.
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>>544091138
I was about to kill myself

probably like 20 tries
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>>544091940
Same but for me its because of the scenery from the top of the vaults
You are never alone
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>>544092132
Her horns are flaccid in this pic.
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>>544091940
Yeah no way these fuckers aren't human sized or at least Hobbit sized.
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>>544092132
Ok, now, it's only down hill.
Maybe except for Karmelita, but that really depends on the player.
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>>544065112
>Didn't she force them to work for her and punished those that were too weak to work or that doubted who she really was to them?
No, FS wasn't imprisoned by her. FS is most definitely Atla and Atla was a leaving figure during and post rebellion (alongside other hints on FS cage)
>>544071704
This exact dialogue is telling you that it was built to cage Silk. It was a church where weavers were worshipped as gods.
The actual Coral Commandment you see describe the orders to capture Hornet is old. Older than the last edict of the Conductors. A.I the conductors were the ones to start the weaver capture business. GMS merely took the torch after the Cog core was almost finished.
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Okay this is beginning of act 3 curious to see if there will be a Seth interaction
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I've already 100%d the game before, but that doesn't mean I remember shit. I'm missing oooone last silk spool. Does anyone have any idea where it might be? AKA "a kind of annoying one to find/get that isn't super obvious?" I'll put my map together in a bit

The last mask piece will be from that one act 3 ant quest
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>>544096015
Never mind I ain't posting my map. I thought you could zoom it out a bit more but it'd be a pain in the ass to stitch this together
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>>544096015
Probably the one underneath the whiteward elevator.
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>>544096179
Nope, I remembered that one (but on my first playthrough it was indeed the one I'd missed)
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This is my third playthrough and I just now noticed this was breakable lol. Just a Silk Eater though
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>>544096323
I have no idea then, try checking the completion tracker https://silksong-completion.info/
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>>544096816
i spent a good 10 minutes on my first playthrough trying to somehow destroy the elevator
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>>544096890
thx, yeahhh I should just use this
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>>544096015
got it, don't even know how I missed it because it's completely fucking visible
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>>544099004
I wouldn't have guessed that one.
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>>544091940
>all of this will just remain as a festering wart on Pharloom's asshole until it is finally picked clean of every single resource no matter which ending you choose
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>>544096816
It's a way to troll yourself if you're going for the cursed ending because that's a pothole to trip over every attempt.
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>>543968216
Well, looks like I schizoed out too much, plus the gay paragraph style.
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Why THE FUCK is Hornet leaving Zaza out there to die?
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Question do i have to intentionally die in order to finish all the entries in the coral tower? I am about to enter gauntlet 3/3 until the save point and i dont have nearly enough completed
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I FUCKING DID IT

STEEL SOUL 100%

SUB 30 HOURS
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>>544102356
>SUB 30 HOURS
POST IT
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>>544102356
Congrats
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>>544100395
Zaza made her choice to die with Garmond, just listen to the Needolin dialogue.
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>>544102286
No, all unique dream enemies are auto-completed once you clear a dream zone. In fact, I think all enemies you can get rid of auto-complete when you do the thing that gets rid of them.
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>>544102356
Also my mask broke which was like
extremely retarded of me to heal in that window and not just fucking die. I got extremely lucky. Don't fuck around with broken masks
Oh and you can see I brought volt vessels but I very much do not recommend using them against Lost Lace. It felt impossible to aim them since she zoops all around the place.

>>544102419
pic
>>544102523
Thanks! I lost many runs and almost all of them in the stupidest fucking ways (voltnest environment, lava escape (mask shard, not abyss), fucking bell beast's falling bells...christ)
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>>544103974
Ayy grats bro!
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>>543939794
Woah, look at the GRAPHICS!
Nintendo, HIRE THIS MAN!
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is trobbio optional
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>>544106659
I think you might have to beat him to get the Sacred Cylinder.
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>>544106659
No
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>>544106954
yeah I assumed you had to beat him to get to the lower part of whispering vaults but maybe you could get in through the underworks
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>>544107159
>maybe you could get in through the underworks
No, the door to the part of underworks that connects with whispering vaults can only be opened from the side that trobbio's elevator takes you down to.
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>>544107423
makes sense
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>>544052106
She's so pretty. and has an insane voice range, she voiced Shakra, Nuu, Widow, Last Judge and like a dozen more characters. Listen to her sing Shakra's song at 59:33, it sounds just like in-game, there was no meme filter to make her sound deeper.
https://youtu.be/pA7Id7lff6E?t=3573
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im doing my first steel soul run in silksong, didnt do it hollow knight but i like the gameplay here more so I want to keep playing. is there a point in buying benches?
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>>544110473
yea and go get that plasmium too unless you are on the savescam path
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Can't believe I'm actually done. I really need to do the same with the first game, since I never even managed to finish the last Pantheon
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>>544052106
>>544109919
Found another interview with her. She seems pretty talented, hope she stars in more movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjuWseqvnwI

>>544110473
You need to activate the benches with the big bells above them to trigger the Last Judge fight. Otherwise save your rosaries.
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>>544109919
v-visible nipples
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Are there any tools to check for completion that works when you're offline? index.html from this https://github.com/Br3zzly/hk-silksong-savegame-analyzer doesn't even works when online.
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Seriously I'm not finding ANY Shardillards in Steel soul
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>>544118186
Just get in the habit of whacking any shiny lumps even if you're full on shards.
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>>544118186
ok heres a question why would you care its not like you need it for the 100%
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The fuck.
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>>544124297
Sometimes the box is supposed to just stay locked into the place you send it for ease of platforming.
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>>544124356
So there is nothing behind? No secret?
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>>544124579
No secret this time.
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Act 3 final boss but I only use silk skills
https://files.catbox.moe/90ktod.mp4
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took a break after getting to act 3, but am now finally getting into it. have to admit, i looked up where there were points of interest, since i did not want to comb over the entire map from top to bottom again looking for what changed.

lost verdania and green prince was KINO tho.

also crests are hilariously unbalanced still. what is the point of ever using anything but wanderers? maybe speedrunners will use hunters since they wont get hit.
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>>544128572
i just beat the entire game with reaper it really wasnt as bad since i had insane silk generation though on a pure dmg front Wanderer edges out hard
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>>544129010
cancel team cherry for this disgusting reuse of assets
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>>544129142
Technically it means the knight visited pharloom, even if it was just in the godseekers memory
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>>544110938
>>544109919
insane turbo cutie godamn
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>If Bilewater wasnt so bad why isnt there a bilewater 2???
>Fucking around in memorium, find a jump I can double jump in act 2
>Putrified ducts
Yeah no good night.
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>Get to Act 3
>realize I never got kidnapped
I'm going to be fucking annoyed by this for weeks
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>>544110473
If you're being legitimate, the use of benches is to save teleport for convenience. Very helpful if you just want to cut down time.

If you're being "illegitimate" (trust me, even using this method you can and probably will lose more than once)--you can always save+quit when you are near death to save your run. Personally I consider this legitimate because it's in the game.
The basic advice of any run is to, as soon as possible, get the fractured mask and magma bell. After that do whatever you want, but I would recommend taking it easy as possible and only doing difficult stuff once you have full needle upgrades in act 2.
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>>544118186
I found 2 myself.

And from finding them, it seems like they have a random chance to appear in certain places apart from *maybe* one place where they'll always spawn once.

I filled out the entire Hunter's Journal on Steel Soul.
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>>544125016
I kinda wish silk regenned faster, or as fast as the first pip. I 100% wish egg of flealia wasn't a perfectionist charm. That really sucks honestly.

anyway gg
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>>544128572
Fun. Also people have found that objectively speaking I think Hunters has the highest DPS and safetly combination once fully evolved. But, if you have trouble with "getting hit" then wanderers is "safer"
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The reason Hornet don't fuck is because she's the 'actually 1000 year old loli' and the other bugs aren't into that
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>>544132842
If I had a nickel for every 1000 year old loli team cherry put in silksong I'd have two nickels
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>>544133002
It's weird how often it comes up
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>>544120287
NTA because it feels satisfying to at least have a full journal on Steel Soul even if it doesn't have all Hornet entries. This means "I beat every enemy on Steel Soul"

>>544132842
Hornet says she's fucked and so we can conclude "there are lolicon bugs in the lands of Hollow Knight"
extra confirmed by Kratt, who is literally me
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>shakra
they literally couldn't have come up with a more generic name for a dignified, proud, tough female warrior character
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>>544137259
actually it's worse than that
>"this character throws chakram"
>"what shall we call her, ari?"
>"uhhh... chakra... no... shakra"
>"genius"
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>has horns
>hornet
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How skippable is the drifter's cloak? I'm on NG+ and it seems like I can at least reach blasted steps. When would I be forced to go back for it? Bilewater seems doable without it
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Bugs are so cool, bros
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>>544139291
Dropped it
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>>544094254
>No, FS wasn't imprisoned by her. FS is most definitely Atla and Atla was a leaving figure during and post rebellion (alongside other hints on FS cage)
You're gonna have to explain how the sinners in the lore tablets in the Slab aren't implying that GMS is the one that punished these.
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>>544103974
>>544110851
Congrats.
>>544106659
I wish.
>>544125016
Sick.
That cross stitch at ~0:57 was cool. You dodged the blobs so well in a tight space.
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Since there are some lore masters ITT:
1) Why was there a weavenest in the abyss? Who built it and why?
2) Why is the abyss lined with snail shells? And no, those aren't just generic fossils, it's the same exact shape as the shaman crest.
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>>544147520
1) Beavis TC need to give you a new skill, the Weavenest was built by Absolom, we don't know anything else.
2)Snail are void creatures, or atleast have a strong relationship with it. Same reason that in act 3, they tell hornet that she should have known or atleast guess the trap would use void
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>>544147520
My guess is that it was either built by a weaver who thought they could coexist with the void, or it was built before being overtaken by it.
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>>544147520
>1) Why was there a weavenest in the abyss? Who built it and why?
>Wiki: "The Weavers built hidden Weavenests throughout Pharloom, such as Weavenest Atla and Weavenest Absolom, where they had workshops and conducted secret research. This included research on the Void in the Abyss. These Weavenests were only accessible by the Weavers or their descendants, requiring the Needolin Weaver talent to open the doors."
This is essentially it. I remember some lore dialog saying the weavenests were for research on how to capture or be free of GMS. You even find the snare in one of them.
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Silksong felt different, less key items so progression is less structured.

In comparison to HK i felt SS was lacking somehow, but i couldnt put my finger on it untill i replayed HK.
There are a lot fewer item based path blockers.

I wonder what the reason was for this change.
For me remembering the rumbeling ground near the crystal grotto was nice and logical.

In silksong i was conviced i could smash trough the giant mask in bone The marrow with the Sharpdart.
I was dissapointed.

Does anybody here share this feeling?

*blockers that had a visual actual block in game

Progression items SS
*Silk Spear (used exactely 2 times)
Swift step
*Needolin
Cling grip
Drifters Cloak
*Clawline
Fay Down
Silk soar


Progression Items HK
*Vengeful spirit (used exactly twice)
*Latern
Mothwing
Matis claw
Cristal Heart
Monarch wings
*Descending dark
Mothwing cloak
*Shade Cloak
*Isma's tears
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Can I still fight Phantom in Act 3?

I missed it, going in mostly blind, but Phantom looks cool and I want to fight it
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>>544153789
Go check.
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>>544154201
I don't know where it is.

I think I explored Sinner's Path quite extensively.
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>>544154394
In Sinner's Road go up and to the left. You'll reach The Mist.
How to navigate the Mist if you don't figure it out: Use needolin on the butterflies
I wonder if you can reach it by going left of Bilewater's bellway too. Pretty sure it's connected. Maybe faster that way too.
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>>544131903
ₛₕₐw
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>>544155067
>I wonder if you can reach it by going left of Bilewater's bellway too. Pretty sure it's connected. Maybe faster that way too.
That's how I got to it first time. Didn't even see the breakable wall in SR.
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>>544129010
>>544129196
>godseeker visited Pharloom
>decided that even having a god again is not worth being tied to GMS
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Sex with GMS.
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>>544155067
Damn, that was a good fight. Is she one of Lace's sisters?
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>tfw got tempted by Hollow Knight after the FotM and now nobody wants to talk about it while I'm clawing my way through act 3 having the time of my life
Fuck the Palestag, though. Lost Verdania is great, though. The little mini-Green Princes mimicking the clockwork dancer's moveset was a really cool touch.
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>>544176708
Lace's onee-san, yeah. Only family we know of.
Do you know if she was voided or anything? Wondering if Act 3 makes her different in anyway.
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>>544182005
Nope, no black thread, and I clearly hit her overprepared as it only took me two tries to down her. I just love the fencer aesthetic.
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>>544176708
GUMAMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YyI7qHCBlI
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Damn, this channel is very important.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d342qXQc974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pinrkRRGdw
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>>544186789
i wanna be able to save twelfth
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>>544186789
For me, it's Father of the Flame
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First time player here
This looks a bit too much like a final boss elevator.

What should I make sure of before mesisng up the ending?
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>just got to the second Lace fight in the white fields


Holy fucking kino,
Adelaide Miyazaki I kneel
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>>544190720
You can mess up as much as you like. The save doesn't end up in a fail state, you can always go back.
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>>544190720
>He's got the lava bell equiped

Gayboi
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What killed the hype?
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>>544195645
Finger cramps

I'm in Lost Redania, but the ghost stag fight kinda took the wind out of my sails just from how long the runback is
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>>544190720
>5 masks
go explore the world bro
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In Hollow Knight, Infected Crossroads has arrived, but I haven't killed any of the dreamers. What triggers it?
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>>544198380
Monarch Wings also triggers it.
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>>544195645
when you do everything the game has to offer all thats left is waiting for the DLC
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>>544195645
Is a single player 2d game, and even then, people outside of this site still talk about it, even if is just goty-slop discussion most of the time
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>>544195645
why do you expect people to spend years discussing a single player game once they've played and beaten it
more importantly why are you so emotionally invested in the idea that the game wasn't a colossal success
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I just beat this game and I don't know exactly why Act 2 and 3 felt extremely boring compared to Act 1 for me.
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>>544208838
Act 2 was great. Act 3 felt half assed. Needed more and bigger new areas, not just a gauntlet tower and a pretty but boring and empty forest.
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clink clink clink
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>got double jump
>now have to double jump every time I want to glide
Terrible game design
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>>544220792
that pissed me off on my first run aswell but you really get used to it
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>>544220792
I think they originally had a button to glide straight out, but removed it because it's easier to just double tap space.
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>>544220792
literall not a real problem anywhere in the game
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it took me over 2 hours to finish the flea juggling mini game. what the fuck were they thinking?
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>>544207518
His whole life has been dominated by the live-service casino model. He sees Twitch views and forum posts as signs of quality.
Silksong is a failure because the /vg/ thread is winding down! Silksong is DoA because the Steam chart cooled off!

His masters have conditioned him well.
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>>544230998
>what the fuck were they thinking?
That you had sufficient IQ to remember the order the fleas come in, and position yourself preemptively.
You'll notice they even kept them mostly in groups of 3 to lower the load on working memory.
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>>544230998
That one's easy, just use Wanderer or Beast and never jump, took me less than 10 minutes. Flea Dodge however is rather RNG heavy, took me an hour to get 96 points. And Flea Bounce was pathetic easy with the Shaman crest, got the high score second try.
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Damn i did everything Silksong has to offer. I even redid a full true 100% playthrough just to get rid of the gay princes heart from my room and add Karmelitas. This game was peak and i ll see you all in the DLC
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>>543938676
Ha ha, the lesbians are scissoring
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Lace 2 is starting to piss me off. Feels like a fight designed around aggressive play, but she can inexplicably break out the Dark Souls parry at seemingly any time.
Is there any tell for if she's going to do the horizontal vs jumping riposte? Most of my deaths are from getting into the rhythm, then she just does the opposite of what she's done for the last few fights.
Would it be worth biting the bullet and finishing the Rasher quest?
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>>544240603
>spoiler
Yeah
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>>544240603
its a fight about mechanics just learn them needle damage helps but its duable even with 1 nail upgrade
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>>544240603
If you struggle with Lace 2 and the rasher quest, might as well give up lmao

She parries when she holds up the pin Blasphemous style, either don't attack when she does that, or just double jump straight up to dodge both the ground and aerial counters.
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I can't kill the 6 watcher knights boss
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>>544256439
You can make it 5 before the fight starts
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>>544240603
Enemies that drop rosaries don't respawn until you bench. Work backwards from the dining hall, killing all the enemies along the way, and the actual rasher delivery will be much easier
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>>544260789
its already piss easy if you take bellheart -> greymoor -> sinners -> phantom -> citadel
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>>544240603
>Is there any tell for if she's going to do the horizontal vs jumping riposte?
You can dodge them both by just jumping straight up.
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>>544240018
that's a prong you idiot
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>>544260789
If you have double-jump, just going Shellwood > Blasted >Citadel there's also a piss-easy, super fast route. Do the route, and you run into 10-12 enemies at most that even have the opportunity to attack you, most of them in the Choral Chambers.
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>>544230998
Flea Juggle is easy once you understand the trick to it. Flea Dodge on the other hand is entirely unforgivable bullshit.
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>>544262785
You can cut through the spa to skip the Choral Chambers enemies. Honestly, I don't know how people even struggle with this quest, I just picked the obvious route (shellwood > blasted steps > citadel > spa), put on flea brew + anklets and got it 3rd try without pre-clearing any enemies. Barely took 15 min. You can tank a couple hits and still be fine, I only restarted because I wanted to play it safe, ended up getting there with 3 bars to spare lmao.
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>>544141751
All the sinners in lore are punished by citadel. There's nothing to suggest GMS was the one wo built the slab
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Tell me why Hornet shouldn't have taken over GMS's job

She seems more balanced, has had several mother figures, and learned the importance of independence. As Higher Beings are necessary to keep bugs from returning to monkey, wouldn't it be a relatively smooth transition?

Or is it bad because now Hornet is all gross and silky?
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>>544264682
Anons will headcanon that
>that thing surely isnt hornet anymore
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>>544265271
Counter argument: Big Mommy Hornet
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>>544264682
>>544265271
The matter of it being a "bad" ending is a mix of subtext and inference, with dialogue about take-overs being instinctual to Pale Beings, Eva's subsumption into Hornet as less than a Crest, the thematic implications of Act 3 regarding Hornet just continuing to roll along, and so on.

But as it lacks overt statements, there's room for a wide variety of weird work-arounds to the apparent risks of body-jacking and mind-break. Off the top of my head, I can think of spinning a bunch of it off to recreate Phantom or finish Eva as more-functional people, running it through the Twisted Bud remnants of the Witch Crest to "denature" it, burying the bulk of the mess under a mask of who Hornet wants to keep being coming out of it, and forcing the Soul through Wyrm processes Hornet's more used to the instincts of by using stuff like the runed cages and Widow's pins.

>>544265981
...And for some reason this entangles with my thoughts of Weaver fertility being trivially but utterly embarrassingly fixed by Pharlid back-breeding. Fuck a dumb little bug, eat the god that made said dumb little bug's kind into Weavers, finish the Weaver-bits of the offspring.
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Favourite fight check
Cutest bug check
Best singer check
Best girl check
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>>544269509
Wrong pic
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>>544270359
>Best singer check
Phantom's the black one you silly goose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8SPDrjqTA
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>>544273001
Lace is also black
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>>544273569
thas righ. you can clearly see her wearing a wig
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>>544273569
Welp. You got me there.
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>>544264682
Pharloom doesn't need GMS.
But yes, if you need to put a "great leader" on top then literally anyone will do.

GMS is singularly awful as a leader. Has zero good qualities. Only really cares about herself and her gay, broken ass offspring (not even all of them, just one).

Everyone else could be flawless moral paragons and it still wouldn't stop the sheer corruption of GMS from washing down from the top
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>path of pain music: beautiful and haunting
>path of pain music in my head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VQ_3sBZEm0
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>The Scuttlebrace was originally intended to be a Blue Tool.
Holy fucking shit, imagine how unused it would be if it had stayed that way.
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i spoiled myself a little but i think its ok, should I do the "normal" ending(s) before even bothering with god dlc? i just got hunters mark. i have awakened nail and void heart, rip ending 1.
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>>544264682
This is not Hornet anymore.
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>>544292889
Just give her a snickers or something.
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>>544292889
She just needs someone to rule with. A counter-balance. Like Sherma!
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i'm about to break the final seal, wish me luck chat
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>>544292889
Plasmium Overdose, Fractured Mask, and Cursed Crest also mess with the HUD and are hardly fundamental breaks of identity.

...It's also worth noting that Great Mother Silk doesn't seem to have the six-eye setup herself, so it doesn't indicate the outright body-jacking case.
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>>544264682
She would be fine as a god-queen and probably will be still, the problem is leaving the silk everywhere. She doesn't want to puppet the bugs around like GMS and that's just what the silk does, whether she wants to or not. It's also a bad idea to let the citadel zealots continue using it to artificially extend their lives.
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>>544264682
>has had several mother figures, and learned the importance of independence.
that's why. She would not be independent as a ruler. She'd be giving in to her Wyrm nature, and become a slave to ruling her kingdom, just like her father. Herra didn't want Hornet to be a ruler. Not of the Weavers, or of Hallownest. She wanted her to be an atomized individual with no responsibilities, going around the world and having adventures.
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>>544292889
adding to this: I am sorry, Eva. I cannot grant you this. At least, not yet.
Hornet: Yours is a mind strong and strange. That union could prove dangerous to my identity.
I understand, Lady. I will be here, if ever you reconsider.
when refusing to bind Eva. Eva already poses a threat to Hornet's identity. now imagine Silk herself
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>>544297641
>Herra didn't want Hornet to be a ruler. Not of the Weavers, or of Hallownest. She wanted her to be an atomized individual with no responsibilities, going around the world and having adventures.
I'm pretty sure the point was not complete atomization with no responsibilities, but to choose them for herself instead of caving to what others put upon her. That it ends up that way is because the societies she's from collapsed and the handful of things keeping her interested in the ruins got wiped by a void-soaked half-sibling, probably in their own ascent to godhood she was mostly out of the loop on.
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I did it, I beat Radiance, that shit was pure cinema. thank you Hornet.
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>>544302252
Very nice, now you're all set to go and kill Radiance 2
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>>544302601
i know right XD just nightmare grimm and godmaster dlc to go, I got 106%, on my first playthrough, 99% of which I did not use any guide (couple of the last bits like finishing the hunters journal were bullshit and I looked it up, required 2 dlc mobs and I missed the abyss tentacles too)
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my final relics were: Void Heart, quick slash, deep focus, unbreakable strength, dream weaver

it was the all grub zelda beam at first instead of strength, but I can't no hit Radiance not for lack of trying
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>>544302814
you're allowed to stop at 112% because it's canon
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>>543960308
Im the opposite, the bugs are borderline microscopic and you could fit these kingdoms in your palm. Also "long lived" higher beings are a life span of 7 years tops and generations of bugs come and go in less than a season.

The reason why there is such a discrepency between the capabilities and logevities of bugs is because the species are so variable and the base line is so unremarkable. Also the void is just diatomacious earth.
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>>544306782
Bugs are the size of regular humans, it's just a fantasy world that runs on fantasy rules.

Any other take is ... le bad.
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GMS was so easy. Like how this bitch make some random servant guarding her who is like 10x stronger.
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>>544311352
Now fight her without charms or silk for the cursed ending. Even with 9 masks (max you can acquire in act 2) you can only take 4 hits before dying.

Normally, she's easy because you just pummel at her virtually 99% of the time and just heal away any mistake.
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