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When is Top dropping?

>>544446459
ugly op image

>Top

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YOU COULD'VE STOPPED THIS

Do you think Future Saga chapter 4 is really going to lead into Xenoverse 3?

>>544446896
It has to. Either that or a string of DLC with interesting content. They're running out of arcs and they're running out of sellable characters to turn purple.

>>544446896
If not XV3 then some sort of overhaul/restructuring

>>544417240
there's a generation of DBZ fans who absolutely despise Pan because they thought she was annoying in GT. she's to DBZ what Chibiusa was to Sailor Moon.

>>544446876
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6dOwHzCHfgA&list=RD6dOwHzCHfgA&start_radio=1&pp=ygUZZGllZCBpbiB5b3VyIGFybXMgdG9uaWdodKAHAdIHCQkHCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

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Dimps what does this mean?

So if they nerf Snowball into uselessness/remove it, who benefits and gets screwed over the most? As far as I can tell:

Benefits:
>Tanks in general
>Technical in general
>Dabura (Prefers longer fights for petrification)

Screwed over:
>DPS in general
>Freeza?

Zig zagged:
>Vegeta (He can choose between it and Build Up, so he'll just default back to Build Up)
>Hit (If he's not running snowball he'll just switch to a blue card)

>>544446746
Toppo
And 2an EST

>>544446896
They wouldn't tell us to get hyped for a DBZ game in advance unless it was something they knew we wanted
Can't be FighterZ 2 because ArcSys is on bad blood and we have more DLC
Gotta be Xenoverse 3 or Sparking Zero 2

>>544447701
Imperfect Cell got to them.

>>544448242
snowball is good on Cooler too maybe him

>>544448242
You should never run snowball on Frieza that's just a waste. Always Gekishin High/Solid Barrier (or Epic Hunter if there's an enemy Frieza so you take down bosses faster)/Limit Breaking Jump

>>544448384
>to get hyped for a DBZ game in advance unless it was something they knew we wanted
They hype up anything and everything. It could be that Chinese game that looks like Kakarot for all we know.

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>people in the last thread talking about a new anime
Dragon Ball ended.

>>544448746
I firmly believe we're getting a movie announcement but if it's an anime eh

>>544448448
I'd say he's at best "zig zagged" like Vegeta, because he's still pretty effective with Build Up.

>>544448519
Yeah I got better results once I switched to Gekishin High with him, but I mostly fuck around as Freeza...

>>544448746
sucks a at like Panzy is stuck in a dogshit irrelevant interquel

>>544448746
>Dragon Ball ended.
lol this will never end

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>>544449035
>sucks a at like

>>544449035
a qt* like Panzy

>>544448746
>Dragon Ball ended.
For now. It's too popular for it to really stop, like the Simpsons.

I just want ANY intro, victory or mvp screen for frieza at this point man

>>544449462
Pan is flat, stolen valour

>>544448242
Thinking of it, Uub may be someone who benefits a bit from a nerfed snowball. While he does ridiculous amount of damage with it, unless he's throwing an Ult, he prefers slightly longer battles to use Cyclone stuff, since he lacks explosive damage the likes of other DPS.

>>544447385
>there's a generation of DBZ fans who absolutely despise Pan because they thought she was annoying in GT. she's to DBZ what Chibiusa was to Sailor Moon.
It's odd to "punish" DBM Pan for GT Pan though. GT Pan was annoying but DBM Pan is just bland.

What did Fu see?

>>544450348
they fundamentally hate Pan as a concept, not just GT's version of her.

>>544448242
A ssj3 Goku teleported to me and ate my fully charged level 2 SBC for 2.8k damage because of Solid Barrier.

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>>544450808
Forgot my image
This was his first reaction to it, in chapter 1 of future saga.
Chapter 2 was his second reaction, controlling the pride troopers and making them assault people throughout the 12 universes
And I guess Chapter 3 is him and frieza teaming up.

>>544448746
Genkida Matsuri will reveal 2 projects and a game. Which in particular implies these projects are not a game. Iyoku and Nozawa being the only ones there implies it's not manga related. It's anime, Jim.

>>544450808
Beerus putting his babies in Cheelai. He's a Nulyfag and seethes hard at it.

>>544450904
I think they should gonback to the combo bonus only happening with three cards of the same color. Would doscourage snpwball on tanks and solid barrier on litetally everyone.

>>544452315
>all these typos
Alright, time to sleep.

>>544446896
It'd be really dumb to introduce a new currency and then a year later go 'New game announcement"

we dont have any clue what heroes theyll add for next season right? dont really care about Gotenks or Top that much

saw a pretty cool Goku t shirt at my local skate shop today, but they wanted $40 for it. lame

>>544447701
Beerus is going to Hancock Cheelai

>>544447701
how has no one told them what these loading screens look like? there's a whole lotta fucking going on if you go off of that collection

>>544454919
what makes you think it isn't deliberate? you think they don't know about the jokes about Beerus cucking Broly? the movie was pretty damn clear about what his intentions were when he first saw her.

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What was Budokai thinking making this an A18 intro?

>>544447385
>>544450348
GT Pan was great, DBM Pan is boring and generic ass hell. Thank goodness these boomer fans aren't in charge of the franchise.

Redpill me on the state of XenoVerse. I remember them teasing Fu like ten years ago, but now you tell me he hasn't already been the villain this whole time?

What's the current status? What the hell has been happening since I played the Switch version at launch

>>544447385
>what Chibiusa was to Sailor Moon.
Improvement of the series since the first second she appeared in, yeah.

>>544457040
>GT Pan was great
I want you to look at yourself in the mirror shirtless for a good 6 minutes. I want you tell tell me, not what you saw, but how you felt. Is there happiness or a sad sense of you never reached your full potential?

>>544457040
>GT Pan was great
She was a worse version of OG Bulma. Annoying, mostly useless, and not even funny to compensate.

>DBM Pan is boring and generic ass hell.
Yeah true. The one from Goku's universe is slightly better because she has Nyoibo, but she's still rather bland.

>>544457362
I fell happiness because I support a character who is constantly active, unlike Panzy who was all ":)))" for 20 episodes and did nothing of worth.
Fake neutered personalityless character, just like the entire series she was from.

>>544457686
>worse version of OG Bulma
Disagree, I enjoy Pan far more. She also had pretty funny moments, but if you only watch le hype scenes then you don't see any.
>mostly useless
Not true at all.

>she has Nyoibo
wow look, a garbage ripoff because the DBM writers don't know how to make an unique character.

>>544457886
>unlike Panzy
Deflection. They're both garbage. Pan was annoying as shit. She was made to be unlikable. Only British pedophiles can enjoy her.

>>544456257
they recognised Krillin and 18 are the only couple in DBZ with a healthy relationship

>>544457193
a lot of kid fans at the time thought she was an annoying brat who stole screentime away from the main cast, and who only existed because rhe creators wanted to make a dhallow self-insert for the kids watching.
neither Pan nor Chibiusa were introduced for that reason, but that was the general consensus for a long time regarding their place in the series. essentially a Scrappy Doo for their respective franchises.

>>544457191
Up until recently, they've been treating him like a troublemaking kid.
>turns people purple
>TP fixes it
>gets away
>*wrings fist angrily* "Get back here Fu!"
And from Infinite History up until Future Saga Chapter 2 that's how it's been.

But in the end of the first Future Saga chapter, he used a replica time ring he made to take a peak into the future and he saw something that didn't please him too much. In the second chapter he tries to stop it, not sure what the goal was, but it involved turning the Pride Troopers evil and setting them on the 12 universes with Jiren, toppo, dyspo and an off-screened Khaseral heading for U7's earth. That failed and it's been revealed that Fu's been using the crystals he's been turning people purple with on himself and is going mad from it...Or maybe not. Either way he's dropped his laidback attitude.

We're 2 days away from chapter 3, but as far as we know, he's tried turning Frieza purple, but he's adapted to the new supervillain shit he's been giving everyone, so they teamed up. They influenced (Super) Broly, destroyed Conton, and took control of Shenron who turned Frieza into a time god or something, he has that halo thing behind him that Zamasu and SKOT have.

This is either going to lead into Xenoverse 3, change the status quo for 2, or just be a big nothing burger with everything that went wrong being wished away with the DBs.

>>544457886
>She also had pretty funny moments, but if you only watch le hype scenes then you don't see any.
I watched GT last year and I fail to recall any moment that is actually funny, much less any that involved Pan.

DBM be like:
>we gonna make Pan a SSJ and do absolutely nothing with it and it won't matter in the slightest
so this is the great writing idea... of people who complain and cry about Pan not turning SSJ in GT...

>>544460494
no fanfic writer ever wants Pan to do anything on her own. ultimately DBZ is a macho series, so having a girl actually hold her own flies contrary to that. Pan will only ever get two roles in fan works as a result:
>plot device for Gohan/Goku to get stronger
>jerk bait for paedophiles
even the canon slips into this, with stuff like Super Hero and the infamous deer scene in GT.

>>544461143
>no fanfic writer ever wants Pan to do anything on her own.
Someone has never read the fanfics where Pan time travels to have sex with her dad

>>544461658
>>>jerk bait for paedophiles
It isn't.

>>544460494
>There are 30 different characters who all rank above her.
Of the ones who were in the tournament before XXI's wish:
>Vegetto
>Bra
>Both Gohans
>Both Piccolos
>Goku
>Vegeta
>Uub
>Evil Vegeta
>Schizoku
>Mystic Raditz
>Android Yamcha
>Ginyu in Cold's body
>Future Trunks
>Cell
>Every Cell Jr
>Those guys from the tech universe
>Every Kaioshin except the fat one
>XXI

Ones who are probably stronger than her:
>16
>That Videl with Kaioken

And all of this after the majority of fighters left too...

>>544463203
Telling a Pan storyline in this context is retarded. I understand the frog for not bothering on someone you have to try hard to make interesting.

>>544463613
he did make a solid Pan storyline, he just gave it to his OC Son Bra instead.

>>544463613
>I understand the frog for not bothering on someone you have to try hard to make interesting.
Thing is, he didn't try to make her work even within the context of the tournament
>Goku's Pan fights Bardock
>Casually crushes him while fangirling
>Vegetto's Pan has a match against Bojack
>Does okay before he transforms, but once she does she's quickly killed
>Goku's Pan has a match against Schizoku
>Goes super saiyan once Schizoku said he used to rape little girls
>Gives up anyway
And that's all both Pans did... Salagir pretended to do something that matters by giving Pan super saiyan, but does nothing of note with it. Can't even be excused there were no opportunities because this is a tournament, and then Babidi started his rampage, and she could have been excused as one of the characters who just happened to be in the apartment to stay, but no...

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>Golden Cell Jr spawns in our area
>Somehow kill it even while trying and Cooler and Trunks are attacking
>Puts me in level 5
>Golden Cell Jr spawns in their area soon after
>Manage to kill it too
>This snowballs into making me so overleveled that at some point I fight Trunks when he's level 4, and I'm level 8
>At this point I'm bored out of my mind, and I just rush towers while intentionally leaving my tower vulnerable just so enemy team can get small victories
>I win because I'm strong enough to brute force tower rushing even while being attacked
What a boring win... I hope Golden Cell Jrs are nerfed or removed outright.

>>544446896
no nigga, damn.

>>544446896
Only if XV3 completely overhauls the game system.

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>>544464852
It would be better if Salagir stops pretending he did something for Pan. It's okay to do nothing with her. If you're focusing on 20 different characters/plot threads there is not enough narrative space for Pan.
In order to do Pan/Uub justice they need to take the "Gohan" role for a few arcs. If you aren't willing to do that then don't pretend you tried with them.

>>544461143
>ultimately DBZ is a macho series,
Since when?

>>544467727
Yeah, all he did was make her go super saiyan, and then have a brutal fight to, give Bra a reason to kill Zangya. She was killed for Bra's character development... Sound familiar?

>>544468351
since it was co-opted by misogynistic homos.

i'm so sick of piss colored Freeza.

>>544461143
>>544468351
Dragon ball is only "macho" for a stretch of like, 3 arcs at the most.
The franchise is silly absurdism that happens to be about fighting. Even when it's taking itself seriously it's never like , for the men

>>544469935
Macho doesn't just mean "big explosions and blood and gore". More properly it describes core values. DBZ is about the value of hard work, brotherhood, fatherhood, self-improvement, and defending your kith & kin. A very strongly male-coded ethos. That's what macho actually is.

Dragon Ball is about a monkey guy and his adventures. That is the core. If you keep adding onto it you're no better than a youtube essayist.

Mexican IQ

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the gacha games said "we're doing manga original units" and niggas got excited for SS Goku Black and Black Freeza.
then the trailers dropped and it's just more Z wank... incredible stuff.
Shueisha and Toei executives should be locked inside their headquarters and it should be burned to the goddamn ground.

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>>544472541
But anon, Goku has a new hat. You HAVE to be hype or you're a fake fan.

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Dragon Ball is about him. Any other opinion is null and void.

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>KRILLIN GETS TO HIT THAT?

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>>544448746
...in 1995.

>>544448746
>post the psuedo-shitper spinoff

>>544480203
Vegapunk if he Dragon Ball

>>544480203
so 18 works out at the library?

>>544457362
I lift weights for little girls

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If they ever make a Dragon Ball Fusions 2, what should they add?

>>544484491
Z Goku and Teen Gohan in new jackets

>>544484491
>More OG characters
>More GT characters
>More Movie characters
>More Heroes/Xeno characters
>ToP characters
>Daima characters
>More CAC races (Androids, Monsterfolk, Beastmen, etc..)
>Streetpass Fusions without the streetpass
>Having more than 3 special skills at a time
>Transformations having their own separate slot from regular skills (Kaioken, Super Saiyan, etc...)
>Also transformations for pre-established characters not taking up whole character slots
>No stupid sword censorship

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Considering the all of the multiverse stuff in DBS these guys are basically canon, so it's odd that they never appeared in it.

>>544480203
Code Lyoko live action

>>544447701
Brolybros, is this the end?

>>544486756
Is it ever explained why namekians have fins and darker skin in DBO?

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>>544487981
Idk the lore of DBO but they can just be handwaved as a varied Namekian subspecies from a different universe now.
Short noseless Krillin Namekians would be hilarious.

>>544447701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ty2cmxJrs

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>>544458321

>>544487981
Yes
They were partially corrupted after moving to Earth, something to do with residual demon king piccolo energy, or maybe the general impureness of Earth, I don't remember exactly

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reminder that Yardrat villains could also be fodder for a Dragon Ball musuo. there was a Yardrat boss fight in DB Sagas.

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>>544491347
Sagas also had several Saibamen variants, including a big brute Blue one that reminds me of the Biomen from the Wheelo movie and a purple one that can plant and spawn other Saibamen.

>>544490517
she nags Gohan pretty often

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>>544491502
burble baibaman
there's also an orange Saibaman enemy but i don't remember what its gimmick was

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>>544491674
the Freeza Saga featured Freeza soldiers, naturally.

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>>544491792
and the Cell Saga and Future Trunks Sagas have Red Ribbon robot enemies that come in a few variants (like silver and buff) and Cell Jr's. i think all of these could make great fodder for a musuo.

>>544492081
Those are Gero's cyborg prototypes that only make one appearance in flashback scene right after Trunks shows up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvwDfPQ-mU

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Zamasu and Gamma buffs in Gekishin Squadra
Also Toppo is out

>>544491347
my ideal Musou would be you play as an evil pre-destruction Saiyan, so the enemies are all nameless alien races on the planets you're invading and conquering. Great Ape would require filling a Special meter, and SSJ would be a reward for NG+.

>>544492556
>my ideal musou you play as an interchangeable literally who with no unique skills killing a bunch of other literally whos just to be a gigantic cock
>the dozens of fun characters with unique movesets? Nah, monkey spit beam attack!

>>544492081
>>544491792
>>544491674
>>544491502
>>544491347
Jesus, anon, spoiler that shit

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>>544494254
it's not a good game, but i do find the idea of a co-op, 3D version of what DBZ games on the GBA were like to be pretty novel. it's certainly one of the more interesting and ambitious games of that era, to say nothing for it's failure to live up to that ambition.

>>544492308
W lore scholar

>>544492556
i wouldn't mind a musou that featured a CaC as the story mode lead at all, but i do find the setting you're talking about to be a little... limited and uninteresting.

>>544493303
make your own character, doofus. I was thinking of splitting it into two different types of Saiyan; the 'small' type like Vegeta and Goku and the 'big' type like Nappa and Broly. small ones are faster, big ones hit harder. RPG character builder so you can spec into different types of attacks and build your saiyan into whatever you want him or her to be. So you can spec out a guy who looks and fights like Broly, or Raditz, or Fasha, or Bardock, or whomever you want.

>>544496062
what isn't fun about getting to be evil? Imagine a tone like Destroy All Humans, where the aliens are all getting blown apart and buildings are getting nuked, and you're building up score based on how many of the little weaklings you can butcher in a combo. meanwhile your character is laughing and cracking jokes about how pathetic and stupid his quarry is.

>>544496205
>you make your own literally who
>and there are only two combat styles: small and big
>and there are dumb RPG stats like +3% damage vs skeletons on a tuesday to lure retards onto the treadmill
>but you could specialize to play like someone else (despite that contradicting the previous point of big vs small)
Or you could just make a musou where you fucking play as Goku or Piccolo or Frieza or any of the important characters first and then staple your dumb idea on later.

>>544491656
18 nags Krillin way more than Videl naggs Gohan.

>>544492341
Those Gamma buffs look huge... Not sure how much of an impact the Zamasu buffs are gonna have. Often I feel the regeneration can't keep up with the monstrous damage.

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>>544496128
i'm pretty sure anything above Nappa solos all of pre-Boruto Naruto unless Saiyans are vulnerable to genjutsu. 6 Paths Madara might be able to beat Raditz and Nappa but a lot of that comes down to the fact that Madara's battle IQ is CONSIDERABLY higher than Raditz or Nappa's and that Madara knows a light speed laser style technique that could decapitate or bisect them. i fear Saiyan Saga Vegeta would be too fast and too tough for battle IQ to make up the difference, though.

>>544496581
>i'm pretty sure anything above Nappa solos all of pre-Boruto Naruto unless Saiyans are vulnerable to genjutsu.
Late Naruto was talking about 10 tails destroying mountains like it's an impressive feat, something Roshi did by accident all the way back in the first chapters. Naruto characters can't keep up with DB characters in raw power at all. Madara fighting Nappa would be the equivalent of Buu fighting Beerus.

>>544496402
you really hate Xenoverse, don't you

>>544496482
and xenoverse is an RPG that set up around letting you build your dude any way you want and replay the famous scenarios right next to the heroes and villains you know, not a beat'em up you play as some unimportant monkey on some unimportant planet next to a bunch of other unimportant monkeys whom you know for a fact all die in the end without ever interacting with a single character you would care about going into it.

>>544496581
Gentle Fist could probably fuck up any Z fighter if it actually lands a hit. the way it works basically sidesteps strength

>>544497025
Is xenoverse a musou?

>extreme unwarranted aggression, almost as if he's trying to start a fight
pattern detection is going off, let's see if I'm correct

>>544497184
>saying my idea is dumb is "extreme aggression"
You click on the numbers to respond to a post

>>544497326
I was imagining a protag who has a similar personality to Namek-era Vegeta. cocky, scheming, witty.

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>>544496739
the moon in Naruto is hollow and has a city built inside it, but in the Last Naruto movie before Boruto, the guy Naruto's fighting does cut that moon in half.
>Naruto characters can't keep up with DB characters in raw power at all.
unfortunately this doesn't really matter since even SS Blue characters can be pierced and killed by precise lasers, Super Saiyan Goku takes damage from the rock Krillin throws before the Cell Games, and because even Vegeta told Nappa to dodge the Kienzan Krillin threw because he believed it would cut him in half. i have every reason to believe Madara could get them with that. because he's also like 4 guys except 3 of them are invisible and intangible, and he has a respectable measure of regeneration.

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>>544497541
invisible and intangible guys who can kill you

>>544497326
>He's the local thread sperg
>>544497472
>was able to tell from the second post
The self-assurance despite being completely wrong is funny.
>noooo he said my idea was dumb so he's actually the /dbs/ spammer!

DBZ Destroy all humans when?

>>544497742
nah it would need to be voiced. you'd only need 2-3 (male, different male, female). Silent protags work in some games but for my idea the dialogue needs to be solid too, that's why I compared it to Destroy All Humans. Crypto is making wisecracks all the time whilst you're experimenting with the silly and fun ways to experiment on and kill people in those games, and it's part of what makes them so good. going voiceless would leave too much on the table.

>>544497874
that looks like shit

>>544497874
That looks like a mercenaries 2 or just cause rip off, not a musou.

>>544497541
In terms of physical strength I don't think Madara could touch them. speed alone would stonewall him. what He has going for him is Sharingan. genjutsu, plus amaterasu. both of which completely nullify strength difference.
Though, given how Super goes, maybe God ki nullifies genjutsu and amaterasu. who knows.

>>544497615
Is that Trunks?

>>544498064
Madara is a light speed character and I don't think anyone in DB moves at light speed until Goku learns Instant Transmission, so i think Madara could at the least keep up with Nappa and Raditz and at best he's faster. plus as i mentioned he is 4 guys and 3 of them are invisible + intangible. Madara can't perform Amaterasu but he does have Rinnegan and can use all of Pain's abilities. Universal Push and Pull, Soul Absorption, Chakra Absorbtion, Rebirth, etc. he can also make clones of himself that have all his abilities in addition to the 3 limbo clones. and like i said, physical strength only means so much against light speed characters and light speed laser attacks in a universe where it's confirmed that even SSGSS users are vulnerable to precise laser beams.

i don't wanna get off on too big a side bar about this though because it's only tangentially on-topic and cause i'm not that invested in Madara beating Nappa anyway. i would be more invested if i thought he could make it to Namek and fight the Ginyu Force. he MIGHT be able to beat Saiyan Saga Vegeta if the invisible Madara's catch him off-guard and open him up to the laser beheading. lol

>>544498791
the problem is the power scaling in DBZ is so high that Goku could legitimately just Kamehameha him and he would be vaporised instantly.
Amaterasu I'm pretty sure is an inherent ability of mangekyo sharingan, which Madara has. I don't remember what the rinnegan can do besides resurrection and remote eyesight.

>play against toppo in the tank lane
>with a trunks

he got fucking demolished, he literally couldn't enter the lane at all

i fucking hate this hero man such a game losing piece of shit

i hope they released the hero stats for the season because i guarantee you he's bojack tier

I came here to ask one thing.
Is that fucking loading screen for XV2 real? cause lol wtf

>>544499185
each Mangekyo user has a different unique ability. Sasuke and Itachi's was Amaterasu, Shisui's was Kotoamatsukami, Obito's is Kamui. Madara's is never shown except in an Ultimate Ninja Storm cutscene that probably isn't canon where he uses it to rewind time during a battle with Hashirama.

>>544499946
If Dragon Ball fans weren't dumb spics we would already have a site compiling stats using the api like every other moba

XV2 got the free update, DLC TOMORROW

>>544501178
I thought they all got Amaterasu, Susanoo, Izanagi, and Izanami?

So it's 4,800 TP Medals to go from level 160 to level 180
38,400 for all 8 cacs if you use TP medals
19,200 for all 8 cacs if you STP medals, 2,400 STP for level 160 to 180

>>544502638
they do get all of those except Amaterasu. Amaterasu was the Sasuke and Itachi special. i think Itachi's was actually manifesting the flames and Sasuke's is controlling/extinguishing them. so when he has Perfect Mangekyo he has more complete control/mastery of it than Itachi did.

New xv2 artworks per jenik (no the cheelai/beerus one isn't in, it's probably a fake) https://twitter.com/ContonMods/status/1983462024903561462?s=19

New costumes are
Gohan's High School clothes (custom) [Total Glory Point Reward from 5th Festival]
Karinga Tribe Costume (custom) [TP Medal Shop]
GT Trunks's clothes (custom) [STP Shop]
General Blue's costume (custom) [Star Coin Shop]
Vegeta's Normal Clothes (custom) [Total Glory Point Reward from 5th Festival]
Goku's Damaged Turtle Hermit Gi (Custom) [Total Glory Point Reward from 5th Festival]
Zangya's Clothes (custom) [Star Coin Shop]

T-shirt with a DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE image on it to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the XENOVERSE Series [Limited Time Event Reward]

T-shirt with a DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE 2 image on it to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the XENOVERSE series. [Star Coin Shop]

T-shirt with a new DRAGON BALL XENOVERSE 2 image on it to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the XENOVERSE series. [Limited Time Event Reward]

Spopovich Clothes (Upper Body) [TP Medal Shop]
Spopovich Clothes (Lower Body) [TP Medal Shop]
Spopovich Clothes (Feet) [TP Medal Shop]

There are no new friendship t shirts for the fifth festival of universes nor are their any new characters for it at least right now

Level cap has increased to 180 (You have to buy Octopus Balls from the item shop to give to Whis and you also have to fight the Conton City Hero 4 times (I fought the Hero (Male Saiyan)

So Ace returns yet again and he's surprisingly pretty tough, he does not transform into a super saiyan tho only because most xenoverse 2 players already created their hero years ago, Ace is the default for new players who didn't get to create a hero

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>>544504186
I can't wait for the stat point calculator to be updated, I get 12 and a qtr ki bars right now with a (previously)10bar max build!

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>>544502865
A save editor is free.

>>544504914
Not for me lol

USVGF's skills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJmEy7bcPs
Broly Super's skills

His gigantic explosion turns him into super saiyan immediately rather than doing it the normal way

other than that both characters are extremely underwhelimng you can see how many moves they stole from existing characters to make them namely Cell's elbow drop

Tomorrow when the update drops you can buy the star coin outfits immediately spopovich is such a weird ass choice

I feel like we're gonna see a LOT of Zangya costume wearers out there

>TANK TEAM FINISHER
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

>>544503914
>no the cheelai/beerus one isn't in, it's probably a fake
no shit
anyways some of them are cool

The more I play against Toppo the more I think he should be taking Build Up. He's pretty fragile, even as a gohan under ult I could solo him.

>>544511462
You talk like Gohan under ult isn't a beast. Toppo is far from the only DPS who'd lose this one.

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>>544446459
Piccolo is never beating those pedocollo allegations is he?

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>>544446876
More. More carnage. hahahahahajajajajajajaxaxaxaxaxaxa... this will be a great training session.waku waku.

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>>544449035
Now you've pissed him off >>544449151 HE hates pedos like you. Prepare to die because HE is ally to good and nightmare to (You)

Do not fug majins https://twitter.com/Daniela64771608/status/1983490462834151640?s=19

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>>544470852
Yeah dragon ball mostly leans to the chill, "fuck it we ball" kind of masculinity and experts say that it is a good thing.

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>>544480203
Damn she's got a forehead that you can land planes on.

>>544486756
Cause human hoes let them put their dicks in their pussies and they're light on their toes, cause namaekians are real young niggas.

>>544471226
>>544469935
This is what I mean by Americans having a fundamentally different (and incorrect) understanding of DB.
"Macho" is the last word I'd use to describe DB because DB really isn't about that type of masculinity. The characters who could best be described as macho in that sense are ones who get inevitably humbled and change their ways, or die (the Saiyajins mainly).
Goku himself I've seen described as "macho", as a reason why Nozawa's voice doesn't fit him, but even ignoring that, Goku's character is not that of a traditionally masculine manly man.
He avoids responsibility, he's a pretty shit dad, he leaves his wife as a single mother, and none of his actions really evoke any core idea of "masculinity", rather they evoke the idea of a "free spirit" or even innate chilidishness.

If being a Saiyajin is the baseline for masculinity, then DB is, in fact, an anti-macho work.
Goku
>rejects his Saiyajin heritage
>cuts off his tail at the behest of Kami
>doesn't give a shit about his heritage whatsoever (until the last DBS manga arc, but who really cares about that)
>made Super Saiyajin into his own form rather than one beholden to emotions or intense bouts of temporary strength
Gohan
>literally does not want to fight
>ends up becoming a nerd and develops vision problems
Goten
>gives up on fighting entirely
>gets beat up by a little girl
Vegeta
>holds onto that Saiyajin pride the longest, but inevitable gives up on it
>retires into becoming a middle aged dad who doesn't fight anymore
Trunks
>also gives up on fighting entirely

Really, the only macho man is Mirai Trunks and that's more because he lives in the most raped timeline

>saiyajin
ay carumba

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>>544516075
just post it, it's not porn

>>544517047
>>develops vision problems
Maybe he always had them but learned early to compensate with ki sensing so nobody noticed until The Fumble.

>>544517303
>underageb& who didn't experience DB through Steve Simmons subs
Need not apply yourself

>>544518405
Look closer...

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nulyKEKS...

>>544519232
That saibaman is gonna get raped...

>>544519081
Something can be masculine but not actually about masculinity.
>Goku living for constant self improvement is nothing but masculine
Perhaps, but the way Goku goes about it isn't masculine. He has no endgoal and he's not doing this because he's a man, he's doing what he finds to be fun, and it's something no other character can actually relate to on the same level.
Tenshinhan is the hyper-masculine interpretation of what Goku does. Probably why the biggest Tenshinhanfag spams cuck porn really.
>Goku and everyone else fighting tooth and nail to defend what's theirs is inherently masculine.
Everyone else, maybe, but Goku, not really. Even then, the overarching joke of the Boo arc is that not a single fight in the entire arc is being taken seriously by one (if not all) parties involved.
>Every important character works out regularly and is a father.
And most of them are bad fathers.
Vegeta is literally not viewed by the narrative as a good father until he gives up his Saiyajin pride. His parenting skills prior to that are literally him beating up his son and endangering the planet for his own sake.
Gohan also is a good father, and he doesn't fight. At all. By the time he's a dad, he has already retired from fighting (until DBS retconned that so they could give him a new form).
Goku is not a great father and even the narrative acknowledges that. For Gohan's youth (which is Ages 0 to 16(+1) really), he is around for 7(+1) years of it. So, about half. He doesn't even meet Goten until the kid is 7.
>>Mirai
>>Saiyajin
>Ahh. You're an emasculated cuck.
Again, you're a newfag who probably only experienced the series through HYPE EPIC CLIPS on youtube.

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We must be more empathetic, docile role models whom young men can look up to and learn positive masculinity from. When strong independent women, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, gender-diverse children and neurodivergent folk speak, we must sit down, listen and learn how to give them a voice and empower them. We will NOT go back

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>>544519619
Thanks for admitting Goku does indeed endure great trials and tribulations just to defend what's right and what's his (a masculine action). Thank you for also admitting Goku works his body to the max simply to gain more strength (an inherently primal masculine action). Thank you for not denying Goku also took out his son fishing (very masculine dad activity).
You may cope in your lala land or whatever. Goku will punch people while shirtless whether you believe it's manly or not.

>>544519886
SO TRVE! Dragon Ball needs more transwoman representation! These cis men have been in charge for too long. Beerus and Whis are the OTP couple of this thread now.

>>544520308
>Thanks for admitting Goku does indeed endure great trials and tribulations just to defend what's right and what's his (a masculine action).
He does it because it's fun. A majority of his reasoning for training is less-so rooted in that "defending what's right" action and more-so in what Goku finds to be enjoyable. He doesn't want to fight Freeza because it's the right thing to do, he wants to fight him because it sounds fun.
>Thank you for not denying Goku also took out his son fishing (very masculine dad activity).
Are you black or something? Because Goku also abandons his family only a few days after that, and doesn't see or speak to them until they have something he wants.

>>544492341
lmao
fucking anything but nerfing the paid units huh?

gammas and zamasu getting buffs before baby, bojack, dabura, 17 is certainly a choice, but i'll take it

>>544521484
>Often the "fun" aspect plays second fiddle to his desire to protect, such as in the Raditz fight or in the King Piccolo encounter or in the Red Ribbon Army Arc where he did it to get his wish.
You posted three examples where he was immediately, personally affected by the situation at hand.
But what about the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, wherein he primarily cares about winning the tournament more than anything else going on there?
What about when he lets Vegeta live, even as Vegeta is saying "I will kill you all"?
What about when he is told to not fight Freeza, to not even go near him, and all he's thinking about is how fun it'd be to fight a guy "stronger than Vegeta"?
What about when he lets Gero make the artificial humans, even knowing that the future he was warned about was one where everyone he was talking to aside from one person was dead?
What about the entire Boo arc, where Goku does pretty much everything solely for himself with the sole exception of teaching the fusion dance.
>and calling him a bad father, which are both opinions held by retards.
There is nothing fatherly about not seeing your kids for over half their childhoods.

>>544519886
>that scrawny arm
SOMEONE GET THESE NIGGAS SOME STEAK, STAT!

>>544517303
kek

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>Mirai
>Saiyajin

if you're not calling them saiya-people, you're doing it wrong

Early impressions of Toppo?

You know, talking about Goku and his love of fighting for the sake of it kind of reminds me of a problem with fanfics. I feel like most fanfics just backport goku's love of fighting/ training onto all saiyans, so he ends up not being unique and not really doing anything in fanfics with other saiyans in them.

>>544524636
To be clear, by other saiyans I mean bringing in raditz or an OC or something, not talking about vegeta or the canon half saiyans.

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>>544524636
Now you know exactly I feel when they made rage boosts a generic Saiyan ability instead of Gohan specific.
> I feel like most fanfics just backport goku's love of fighting/ training onto all saiyans, so he ends up not being unique and not really doing anything in fanfics with other saiyans in them.
Super did this too

>>544524836
I'm fine with vegeta doing that in super, because he's not doing it because he's a saiyan, it's just a hobby he's come to genuinely enjoy after seeing it from goku's perspective post buu. with the u6 saiyans it's weirder but they're alternate universe stuff so it's something

>>544524492
to be fair calling them "Saiyans" is the same exact thing, it's like saying "mexico-people" instead of "mexicans"

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>>544525064
>>544524636
Didn't Bejita fight Cell purely for the love of the game? Goku directly stated his love of fighting is a Saiyan trait too.

>>544486756
Because Toyo, and possibly other people, wants to write his own DBO story.

>>544491347
Only way the Yardrat boss can reappear is if Ian Flynn got hired by Bandai Scamco and CCT and allowed him to do whatever he wants with the source material

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>>544524636

>>544493303
It almost as if CaC are a huge selling drive for a video game
Ask Smash what's good btw

>>544525592
In the case of Vegeta fighting cell, it was Vegeta wanting to pure beat down cell and dominate the fight. Saiyans do like to fight in the sense that they like to beat people up and win. Goku likes to fight for the sake of the fight itself. Of course he'd prefer to win, but it's not that important to him if he loses, unless he's about to die or something. Given how the usual plan was just to instantly nuke a planet with Oozaru, and how power levels at birth matter the most out of anything, I can't really fathom that fighting to get stronger is all that important for most saiyans.

>>544496128
The Xenoverse 1 guy is truely our Red of Dragon Ball RPGs
inb4 he's the secret Ultra Supervillain final boss and Xenoverse 2 guy kicks his ass ala Mt. Silver

>>544525997
Are we sure we're supposed to take that at face value? I don't think Raditz, Vegeta, nappa, etc ever really got the Waku Waku in the same way Goku did. Once Vegeta truly realized just how strong Freiza really was, that dude fucking cried. I don't think he has the Waku Waku

>>544446876
>pulled down pants
They died fucking....

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>>544526378
Post Namek he catches the waku waku virus as shown here >>544525997. If not initially, all Saiyans as of now implicitly care about a good fight above all else. Reminder Toriyama changed his mind as he want along.
Extra material like Z Broly supports this interpretation. For the entire Broly movie, Broly was trying to bait out something from the Z fighters.
>fanfics
If the Saiyan in question was raised on Earth, had extensive contact with Goku's gang. or had a martial arts master, it's a fair interpretation. If it's some rogue then giving them the Namek Bejita like of beating on those weaker than them is better.

>>544527303
While I do agree with the overall thesis that if it's a saiyan raised on earth, then them having Waku Waku is fine, I disagree with that panel exactly implying Vegeta has the Waku Waku, Vegeta during his fight with 17 and 18 wasn't going "wow sugoi, you're really strong!" like Goku would have, he was seething and getting extremely frustrated that he isn't able to immediately clobber them and show his superiority like he did to android 20

>>544527689
I would also argue that Vegeta never really gained the Waku Waku until after the majin vegeta fight. The entire point of him getting Majin was because Goku was stronger than him, after all. If he had the Waku Waku as Goku described it in saiyan saga, that would make him excited, not frustrated.

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>>544526463
>Trunks and Bra right before getting skewered

>>544529152
I know we meme a lot about Pan and her being used as a powerup, but Bra doesn't even get to do that, usually. The only thing i've ever seen her use for in fics is being shipped with Goten or something like that. Multiverse may be shit but it's the first and only time i've ever seen Bra in a relavent combat role.

>>544529152
hey that's too much sibling interaction! put that away!

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>>544529152
Did Vegeta's genes even try with Bra?

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>>544529345
And Multiverse doesn't even use the usual Bra for that, Salagir went out of his way to create another Bra, who's actually Vegetto's daughter, not Vegeta, just to explain why she's so strong... Ignoring that hybrids are already absurdly strong by default, and one who actually bothered to train would be overwhelming... But in DBM, only Vegetto's Bra is allowed to be that strong, Goku's Bra is doesn't train, and both Pans are jobbers despite training, which's specially ridiculous since DBM follows the usual headcanon of "being born from a later point in the timeline when a saiyan is strong will make the hybrids even stronger", so despite Pan being born from a permanent Ultimate Gohan who never became any weaker, she's still a jobber.

>>544530162
>Goku's Bra
>not Vegeta's Bra
bulma...

>>544529345
because Bra will never be a combatant. It's entirely a fanfic concept, so it's no surprise it only exists in fanfiction.

>>544530162
I think the goofiest thing about prime timeline multiverse pan is her never getting super saiyan. A powerup so basic that Toriyama thought nothing of giving it to two 7 year olds who didn't even know what a super saiyan was before getting it, and pan despite actively training with both her grandfather and vegeta somehow ends up not only being more of a wet noodle than goten and trunks, but also never getting super saiayn. I guess the French just hate women or something.

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>>544530262
Kek. I meant that part as "Goku's universe Bra".

>>544530463
>I think the goofiest thing about prime timeline multiverse pan is her never getting super saiyan.
And she went super saiyan after... Learning Schizoku rapes little girls. Remember Salagir claims Multiverse follows Dragon Ball's spirit!

>I guess the French just hate women or something.
IIRC Salagir said at some point "If you're not a feminist, you're an asshole" too, which makes everything surrounding Pan even funnier.

>>544530309
That isn't even what that post was saying? Did you read?

>>544531405
>Did you read?
We're Dragon Balls here...

>>544529152
Sauce?

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Soon

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>>544532563
closer and closer to absolute kino

>>544532563
Heavenly Monke

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>>544531778
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/121278861

Because of Patreon's rules he didn't post the full, incest version there, and Kemono only has the Patreon version, where Trunks is replaced with a faceless dude who's Bra's boyfriend.

https://kemono.cr/patreon/user/12419524/post/109647464

>>544533654
replacing him with a generic dude really does ruin the whole idea
if it's your sister on top of you flirting with you it's reasonable to act all pissy, but when it's your girlfriend you're just fucking gay

>>544533654
>Trunks is replaced with a faceless dude who's Bra's boyfriend.
Lame.

>>544533654
You're not allowed to post fictional incest on Patreon?

>>544535486
yup, it's also why so many WEGs suddenly changed their incest games into 'suspiciously similar looking roommates' and other such nonsense

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>>544529152
i forgot this was a meme for a short while

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>>544532563
Would be kino

>>544536859
i know it's ai but it made me realize i like the fur blending in with the skin way better than what the SS4 (of any kind) currently does

>conton city gets restored at the end
No Xenoverse 3...

How would you incorporate Daima and SS4 into Xenoverse 3

>>544537424
furry tits

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>>544524456
>newfag who didn't experience Dragon Ball with Steve Simmons subs and summaries
Lmao
Mexicans also wouldn't say Mirai or Saiyajin, because they're all dubfags.
>>544524636
>>544524836
Vegeta really isn't aping it in DBS, it's far more of a hobby for him. He'll abandon the training to go be with his wife when she's about to give birth for example, which Goku doesn't get (because he missed the birth of his second son).
People think DB is a story about genetics but it's a story about mindset. Goku's mindset is distinct even among 'battle coloured warriors' like the Saiyajin.
Vegeta retires from any similar mindset when he lets go of his pride and naturalizes. His anguish over being completely outclassed by Goku was the last remnant of his pride, and the Boo arc resolved that.

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GOATden Frieza showing Gomah how a real villain do level down debuffs.

people tell me USV Goldza got Omega Flowey'd
Everything is literally right there.

>>544535486
Are you this behind on what crap they been doing behind doors?
Blame the credit card mafia (actually Paypal's fault) and SESTA-FOSTA (fear of lawsuits) btw.

>>544536545
Where's that from?

>>544538407
Who invited him?

>>544540638
tokidoki bosotto roshia-go de dereru tonari no alya-san. These pages are directly taken from a scene in it >>544529152 >>544533654 The MC's sister pretends she's in an incest show sometimes to fuck with him by enacting tropes and he tells her to piss off

Bra is for Bejita.

>>544541845
>sister pretends
Anon... I...

>>544497541
>ring laser scene had done irreparable damage to power scaling discussions.
>Every single one are disingenuous, and taken out of context, never including Goku's biggest fault in dropping his guard, this was told by Whis and even Freeza.
Fucking retards...

>>544542768
I will never respect powerscalingtards for this exact reason
They are number cultists, incapable of understanding things narratively

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>>544542768
>never including Goku's biggest fault in dropping his guard, this was told by Whis and even Freeza.
The problem is that Goku was caught offguard plenty of times by attacks and tanked them like it was nothing because he's just that strong. The laser is a clunky way to implement Goku's weakness as a warrior but it just makes no sense for it to hurt him that bad.

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Here's your Black Frieza bro

>>544545121
gohan blanco FUCKS kefla on the daily

>GREEKdom's concubine comic

>DB characters have been nothing but moon-busting to planet-busting glass cannons.
>"Yeah, but that doesn't matter, because [ring laser .jpg] can kill God level Goku, therefore my town level character has a chance.

Dragon Ball has shown how characters need to upkeep in training and treat their bodies like a temple of worship. Neglecting said training means even the most basic foundations will start to form cracks, and be the catalyst to ultimate defeat. Krillin and Goku have shown what happens when neglecting training, they can even get grazed by handgun bullets.

>>544544629
>Goku tanked bullets and rocket launchers like nothing.
Even if I wanted to say how it's bad writing, or cope how lasers are vastly different from conventional weapons, the explanation was given in the beginning and end of the arc. Goku is too strong for his own good, his overconfidence often put others and himself in danger, Freeza mocks him for this flaw. Yet powerscaler debunkers insist on treating that laser like Superman is to Kryptonite. It's disingenuous as fuck, to the point of being purposely obtuse.

Writing so bad, they rewrote the scene in Super, and had Goku power down completely.

>>544497541
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Exg0thyJSDU&t=115s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TfiaRt5hHsI&t=126s
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bbdCt9ZEhbE&t=49s

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Is XenoVerse finally going to have original villains?

>>544547589
>Dub

>>544547972
>So no one can misinterpret or purposely act oblivious. Better than those awful fan works mistranslating scripts or crunchyroll piss subtitles.

>>544547820
this feels like the jrpg final boss form of bio broly

I think I just found a glitch with Hit where you become invisible forever. It has to do with regaining your invisibility on the last frame (or something like that) of you ult. It goes away the next time you use your ult.

>Zarbon super
>Royal decree
>Machine gun
>Also dodoria is there

Once you reach decent levels, i suppose as Freiza you no longer need to rush attack UNLESS it's necessary right?

>>544551001
You have to be careful when planting Zarbon. While he is much more damaging than Dodoria, he's easier to hit in general, plus he takes a while to attack at longer distances, so you have to find the sweet spot to plant him in advance... I have a theory that planting Zarbon, dashing backwards, then planting Dodoria can be good, for Dodoria to protect Zarbon.

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>>544545643

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>>544553343
A reminder...

>NEW DMG HERO
>NEW SUPPORT HERO
>....
>NEW DMG HERO

TOPPO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TANK? WHAT THE FUCK?

>>544484491
Being able to select a higher difficulty.

The worst part about Fusions is how easy it is

>>544538386
>>544524636
People always gloss over the fact that Goku has literal brain damage.
Other Saiyan's are just assholes they don't necessarily LOVE fighting
They're more like goy soliders

>>544553913
Not only is he not a tank, his defenses are hilariously low.. He's another 18/Trunks type. Really weird they didn't add a new tank though.

>>544541845
>pretends
back to Koi Kaze

>>544554771
but Trunks is way better than both toppo and a18 (I think)

>>544554551
Isn’t his brain damage the reason why he’s kind?

>>544538407
Our HEROES.

Oh, and Yamcha, I guess.

>>544556663
Saiyans aren't onthologically evil or anything, the main reason why Goku is good is because Grandpa Gohan raised him that way. I think people put too much stock in that line about Goku being extremely rowdy as a baby, but that's just how babies are and doesn't somehow mean they're super psychopaths like salagir thinks Goku would have turned out for some reason.

>>544538407
Back when they thought these would be Goku and Vegeta's permanent outfits

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>>544556663
Even at the age of like 50 he still can't count

>not allowed to use stuff from the Super manga due to copyright
>they’re not allowed to use stuff from Heroes uhhh… they don’t want too
What a strange franchise

>>544539158
Frieza and his family are such fun characters man

>>544557331
Heroes is too chad for the american market.
World Mission 2 never ever

>>544554551
>>544557196
Goku's lack of intelligence is because he lived innawoods for the vast majority of his formative years, and his only formal education was during Roshi's 8 months of training, where he mostly learned from porn books.

>>544542652
>>544555306
I never actually watched the show, I thought the Russian girl was the main girl. I just saw those few clips with the sister and in those she just trolls him by pretending to be horny and he keeps telling her to fuck off, seemed like typical jap meta gags like "haha look we're totally like the brother and sister in some incest romance manga wouldn't it be funny if we got into risque situations lol"

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>>544558048
He lived in the modern world with Chi Chi for decades and still never learned to count
Can't hold a job and basically can't do any normal tasks aside from getting punched in the head repeatedly

Can drive a car though surprisingly

>>544558452
>He lived in the modern world with Chi Chi for decades and still never learned to count
That's GT being GT, but also, he never really needs to.
>Can't hold a job and basically can't do any normal tasks aside from getting punched in the head repeatedly
He's a farmer. He farms.

>>544557196
character assassination, Roshi taught him maths

>>544524636
That's what's always irked me about DB fanfics. They take Goku’s love for fighting and slap it onto every Saiyan character like it’s part of their DNA. Suddenly, every Saiyan OC is a “battle maniac” who lives to fight and train and yell about getting stronger and boom, now every interaction is just Goku talking to his own clones.

From what we're shown in canon:
>Vegeta
Prideful, calculating, wants to be the best to beat Goku, not because he loves fighting in a vacuum. His relationship with combat is personal, not spiritual.
>Broly (Super)
Dude’s a trauma-ridden mess who fights because he has to, not because he loves it. The moment he gets peace, he wants to chill with animals. A Saiyan hippie with trauma rage.
>Raditz
A coward who never improved himself and trained to overcome his tail weakness that even Goku eventually did. Wasn’t looking for a fight, was just bullying people weaker than himself and started begging for his life when the bullied fought back. Also, he's one of the few Saiyans who's afraid of dying.
>Nappa
Arrogant soldier. Treats fights like a form of dominance and ego-stroking, not as sacred tests of strength.

Even Bardock, before Minus, wasn’t fighting for fun. He was a cold mercenary who got dragged into caring about something. There’s almost no Saiyan besides Goku who fights purely for the sake of fighting. In my AU fanfic that I'm developing, I even have a Saiyan who's raised on Namek and he doesn't fight because he's a battle junkie, and to him, training is just a means to an end to protect. Otherwise, he mostly wants to be left alone and isn't really interested in tagging along with Goku and the others.

>>544557906
World Mission sucked as it nerfed down arcade Heroes so much, no camera movement in battle, no giants boss battles. The game got localized but at the cost of.. being a good port.
We need Ultimate Mission 3 instead.

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>>544532563
if fan artists insist on doing the cropped sleeves at least they're ignoring the giant arms and hands. kinda reminds me of how the best Beast fan art ignores that his hair is supposed to be ginormous.

Goku canonically knows multiplication so him being unable to count is actual character assassination

>>544558452
I think the only dumb adult Goku moment in the actual manga is the "I guess it's night there" when noticing it's dark in the outer space. And this too should be chalked up to lack of education. Everything else is Toei filler.

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Alright, this is a little ridiculous

>>544553343
Base Goku in Buu couldn't handle 40 tons.

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I wish Toriyama didn’t shit on Kirllin, Yamaha and Tien like this.
Give them a bone, if they can’t beat the main villain, let them beat the lackeys or small fry.

>>544563957
>I want Kinnikuman
Dragon Ball is all about Goku passing everyone else. By the end of the manga, Goku defeats a villain that literally every character except himself had jobbed to.

>>544563957
Japan hates Tien

>>544563957
Nah, this kind of fluff kills the pacing as seen in newer manga. Tenshinhan and Krillin got great moments in Z despite their best solo-victories being saibamen. Yamcha never got anything like the other two, but him fighting some eandom cyborg just for the sake of scoring a win wouldn't help.

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>>544559946
>That's what's always irked me about DB fanfics. They take Goku’s love for fighting and slap it onto every Saiyan character like it’s part of their DNA. Suddenly, every Saiyan OC is a “battle maniac” who lives to fight and train and yell about getting stronger and boom, now every interaction is just Goku talking to his own clones.
Yeah it's weird. Cell does claim it's part of saiyans to want a good fight, but that and being like Goku are different things. Saiyans are brutes who want to fight to dominate, but they don't want to lose. Vegeta himself was seething the whole time once Cell powered up too much. Self improvement is an unknown concept to them, which's why the entire race are mostly weak shitters where someone with a power level of 1000 is considered a huge deal, this despite them being capable of becoming the strongest beings in the universe...

>Dude’s a trauma-ridden mess who fights because he has to, not because he loves it. The moment he gets peace, he wants to chill with animals. A Saiyan hippie with trauma rage.
He does show an interest in fighting Goku later, and he's in Beerus' planet in Super Hero to improve.

>Xenoverse 2 has Broly control his wrath form
>Don't give it as an awokening
These motherfuckers, I swear, they don't even have to do anything but if the CAC yellow eyes and green auras it's basically Beast but green and no hair color change!

I swear 10 tit fucking years and they still refuse to actually do some quality of life DLC like making all wigs actual hairstyles or giving another awokening to the entire CAC line, Wrath would have been perfect for it after Ultra Instinct and Beast, could they not figure out how to balance it or something?

They could have even made it it a reward for suffering through Broly and Cheelai become your Nakama VN they came up with, what a waste of resources!

And finally why the fuck is a torn up Goku gi a custome outfit? who the hell wanted that? Let alone Vegeta's normalfag clothing when we already have it with the Badman outfit

also what's up with the size models Cheelai should be the same height as Chrona but she towers her

>>544564580
Even if you do take the whole "saiyans are a warrior race, we love fighting" verbatim and just slap goku's love of fighting onto other characters, narratively all it does is make it so Goku has no character, he's just a default saiyan but kind of nice, and with nothing unique about him he tends to instantly fall out of plot relavence in a lot of fics that dont center around him

>>544569272
>fall out of plot relavence in a lot of fics that dont center around him
you don't say...

>>544569512
You know what I mean, anon. Like Vegeta tends to keep his role and catch up whereas Goku just tends to stand on the wayside and not really do anything, really just replacing Tien because most people want to gas up the actual Tien

>>544569671
I never even watched the show, I am the shon poster. not the other guy either

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>>544563957
I just want Yamcha to marry. That's all I want. After everything this guy went through, the least Toriyama could do was just throw him a bone and retire him on a good note.

Hell, he should have married Mai. They're both ruthless outlaws, but they're vain and hopeless romantics. Plus, then the Mai we see in Super turns out to be Yamcha's daughter he had with Mai from a one-night stand after cheating on Bulma who became Trunks' love interest.

It's comedy that writes itself. Yamcha and Bulma were dysfunctional and doomed, but their kids are total sweethearts. Would also make Vegeta irritated that his son gets with Yamcha's child. I know DB has shitty ships like any other shounen, but Trunks and Mai feels like a crackship on steroids.

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>Can go wrath at will and control it now
>Not an awokening for the CACs
>First mission as hired help in Conton is being put on legit Saibaman duty
>Boss even says before it that she needs them to watch for Troublemakers

Either this place has rotted my brain or there are developers among us!

>>544570278
given his status as a gag jobber, I think it would be funny if the girl he married was some giga amazon who dragged him off against his will. Imagine a a Nappa/Raditz-sized saiyaness coming along saying "you're the strongest unpaired male on this planet, so you are mine now. I won't take no for an answer"

I don't like how nuBroly is just dumber Goku

>>544571209
Yeah, my biggest gripe with S Broly is how he's essentially a parody of what people think Z Broly is.

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I wonder why Dimps haven't made the XV1 CaC playable yet

>>544571209
i think people'd like him a little more if he wasn't called broly, as is i feel like he's being dragged down by the association rather than brought up

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>>544520506
>He doesn't want to fight Freeza because it's the right thing to do, he wants to fight him because it sounds fun.
He fights him out of necessity. He says twice that he'll listen to Kaio and dodge Freeza. Then he says he'll take down Freeza to avenge Saiyans and Namekians. Do you even read the manga you're discussing, retard?
>Because Goku also abandons his family only a few days after that, and doesn't see or speak to them until they have something he wants
Reductionism goes crazy. Goku is stranded on another planet after that and slightly delays his return so he can complete his training, training for an ability that eventually allows him to save the Earth (multiple times). It's absolutely fine.

>>544521897
>But what about the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, wherein he primarily cares about winning the tournament more than anything else going on there?
Piccolo isn't a world conqueror yet. He has no reason to go "MUH JUSTICE" when he can take it for his own fight instead.
>What about when he lets Vegeta live, even as Vegeta is saying "I will kill you all"?
It's an outlier, explicitly called "selfish" by himself, and he even questions his own choice later, saying it could have been a mistake. This isn't regular Goku.
>all he's thinking about is how fun it'd be to fight a guy "stronger than Vegeta"?
Kill yourself, or read the manga.
>What about when he lets Gero make the artificial humans
Everyone did the same. Is Tenshinhan or Krillin a psychopath for doing so? Why does it only apply to Goku?
>What about the entire Boo arc, where Goku does pretty much everything solely for himself
You can't read, nigger. You haven't read the manga. You're illiterate.

>>544577457
I disagree with most of the points that other anon is making, but I agree on one thing, everyone, including Goku was absolutely brain dead during Buu arc, but that's less of a knock on Goku specifically and more just everyone

>>544577424
Probably because you're not the same character, so they force you to be distinctly different.

>>544577457
Goku did not take his son to "go fishing" during Namek, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
Him and Gohan going fishing is specifically a Cell arc thing, maybe even anime original (I'm not gonna go double check). And near immediately after that, he abandons his family for seven years.
>Piccolo isn't a world conqueror yet.
It's the same guy. Piccolo Daimao and Ma Junior are the same person for all intents and purposes, Kami knows this, Piccolo knows this, Goku knows this, everyone knows this.
He also knows that Piccolo is solely there to kill and humiliate Goku, and that he will immediately resume taking over and destroying the world once the tournament is over.
> This isn't regular Goku.
That's a cope and you know it, because he tries to do the same thing with Freeza several times in the same fight.
>Everyone did the same. Is Tenshinhan or Krillin a psychopath for doing so? Why does it only apply to Goku?
Because Goku is the one who initiated that conversation.
>You can't read, nigger. You haven't read the manga. You're illiterate.
Keep crying.

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>>544577730
What bad choices were made during the Buu arc? Excluding of course Majin Vegeta

>>544577954
>Goku did not take his son to "go fishing" during Namek, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I bring up fishing? Are you a bot?
>he abandons his family for seven years
He dies. Everyone treats this as a legitimate outcome and not an absentee father. Call it cheap drama or whatever, this isn't about Goku's character, this is about how Dragon Ball is written as a story. This death was supposed to be meaningful and unavoidable, and "cheating" it wasn't supposed to be the right choice here.
>It's the same guy. Piccolo Daimao and Ma Junior are the same person
Who cares? Goku is going to win. He knows that, he's confident. So he's taking this as a tournament fight, the tournament he never got to win, to show he's the strongest in the world. That's peak T.
>That's a cope and you know it, because he tries to do the same thing with Freeza several times in the same fight
This isn't even nearly the same thing. Goku wanted to humiliate Freeza first. He never wanted to see his face again. You cannot read, nigger. You're an illiterate baboon.
>Because Goku is the one who initiated that conversation.
He's the only one who actually brought up an ethical argument in this discussion. Everyone else was all "yeah I want to test my power". This is how Dragon Ball works as a universe. Things aren't so serious. You're an illiterate retard.

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Salagir is so bad at dialogue holy shit. Just look at read. It's so damn clunky. I can't imagine any of these characters ever saying this.

>>544578384
>What the fuck are you talking about? Where did I bring up fishing? Are you a bot?
Are YOU a bot? You lose context after three posts?
Here, the chain in FULL for that specific exchange:
(You)
>>>>Thank you for not denying Goku also took out his son fishing (very masculine dad activity).
Me
>>>Are you black or something? Because Goku also abandons his family only a few days after that, and doesn't see or speak to them until they have something he wants.
(You)
>>Reductionism goes crazy. Goku is stranded on another planet after that and slightly delays his return so he can complete his training, training for an ability that eventually allows him to save the Earth (multiple times). It's absolutely fine.
Me
>Goku did not take his son to "go fishing" during Namek, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
There you go. Here's your context because you're too retarded to remember what you're responding to.

>He dies. Everyone treats this as a legitimate outcome and not an absentee father
It is being an absentee father when he can, and does, come back.
>Who cares? Goku is going to win. He knows that, he's confident. So he's taking this as a tournament fight
I don't see how this is against my point. The world is in jeopardy, God himself literally comes down for this and insists Goku kill him, Goku barely even wins and is left in a worst state than after the first Piccolo fight, you're just headcanoning this idea that "oh he was just confident, that's why this thing that is literally against my homoerotic fixations is real".
>Goku wanted to humiliate Freeza first. He never wanted to see his face again.
Which is why he tries to let Freeza live THREE SEPARATE TIMES.
He probably did it again in Trunks' future.
>He's the only one who actually brought up an ethical argument in this discussion.
He brings it up and doesn't actually act on anything in an ethical way and instead lets it play its inevitable course.

>>544578384
Well them deciding to crush the potara against kid buu and generally treating the fight like a total joke got them damn near killed, the constant refusal for goku to take the stage too. As well as Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta's refusal to take shin seriously until it was too late

>>544578682
i kinda want to blame it on being an ESL thing honestly

>>544578682
putting people's corpses in capsules is morbidly funny in a way i'm not sure was intentional.

>>544579268
it's straight from the OG (bulma put krillin in a capsule after he was killed by tambourine), so it was probably on purpose to some degree on toriyama's end

>>544578384
>What bad choices were made during the Buu arc? Excluding of course Majin Vegeta

>The entire initial approach to Babidi
>Everyone treating the initial fights like a game
>Vegeta willingly getting controlled by Babidi
>Goku playing along with Vegeta to the point where Boo had enough power to get out
>Wasting the dragon balls on the people Vegeta killed
>Gotenks rushing to fight Boo
>Gotenks stalling to be dramatic during his second fight with Boo
>Gohan playing around with Boo
>Goten and Trunks getting goaded by Boo
>Vegetto risking absorption by Boo
>Vegetto dropping his aura inside Boo
>Goku letting Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks, and Goten die to save Mr. Satan and Dende (this only becomes smart in hindsight)
>Vegeta and Goku refusing to fuse again and destroying the earrings
The majority of the arc is coincidences and happenstances allowing things to go in favor of the heroes.

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>>544578682
His stubbornness is incredible. His English is bad, and yet he still insists in getting involved with the translation, making everyone sound so clunky.

>>544579051
He has translators. He mentioned during that infamous "You're passive" moment that translators told him to pick another word, and he refused "because I'm a troll".

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>>544579023
>Are YOU a bot? You lose context after three posts?
>Here, the chain in FULL for that specific exchange:
You know there are more than two anons on this site? I'm not the first anon you were talking to. I just felt compelled to call out your retardation 10 hours later, that's how pungent it was.
>It is being an absentee father when he can, and does, come back.
Retard. That's not how Dragon Ball works or treats this. You know this.
>The world is in jeopardy, God himself literally comes down for this and insists Goku kill him
And Goku is confident he's going to win. He wants to do it with his own two hands.
You know what Goku does when he knows it's hopeless? He pulls a Raditz.
>Which is why he tries to let Freeza live THREE SEPARATE TIMES.
Yes let's ignore the entire context of this fight and the loss of innocence Goku experiences in it, with him getting the villain speech bubbles as a Super Saiyan and trying to regain control against all odds but failing because Freeza is just that much of an asshole. By the way, it's two. First for humiliation, second for more nuanced reasons.
>He brings it up
Yes, he brought it up. Nobody else did. Goku is the ethical one in the group. Next.

>>544579651
>You know there are more than two anons on this site? I'm not the first anon you were talking to.
You still responded to those same posts dumbass. You responded in line with that chain and then FREAK OUT when I assume you're not just talking about some other shit. You're a retard.
>Retard. That's not how Dragon Ball works or treats this. You know this.
So sometimes it counts sometimes it doesn't, it just works on your personal vibes and what is good for YOUR argument.
That's it. It's done. There's no point in talking to you when you reduce everything to this. It's over.

>>544579552
I always feel like Gohan playing around with buu and Vegeto always get too much hate when most of the arc is bullshit like that. Gohan only "played around" with buu for barely 8 chapters, Goku did the same with frieza when he first went super saiyan and no one gives him shit. Vegeto also at least has the justification that he didn't want to murder his family

>>544579028
>crush the potara against kid buu
Crushing the potara isn't great but not using the potara is a perfectly reasonable choice, it means they have to "die" to kill Buu. They don't want to.
>treating the fight like a total joke
They played RPS once to decide turns. They didn't really nerf themselves, fighting 2v1 wouldn't really help in any way. If anything Vegeta could have gone first while Goku charged up his ki but they didn't know how strong Buu was or whether or not Goku was going to be too tired because >alive SS3
>Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta's refusal to take shin seriously until it was too late
What could they have done differently?

>>544579051
>>544579578
It sounds like shit in French as well. Actually it sounds even worse in French. He's just trying to infodump and it shows, badly.
>how do I show Vegeta needs his hands empty to go all out while Gohan is more of a protector?
>I know! Vegeta should say it out loud!

>>544579890
Not just stand around and do nothing when it's clear that Gohan is struggling against Dabura? Especially when they knew by that point that fighting was giving energy to babidi for buu. >>544579874
8 pages not chapters, my mistake

>>544509726
>I GOT IT FROM THE CAPSULES FROM BATTLEPASS LVL 50
I GOT IT FROM THE CAPSULES FROM BATTLEPASS LVL 50
>I GOT IT FROM THE CAPSULES FROM BATTLEPASS LVL 50
I GOT IT FROM THE CAPSULES FROM BATTLEPASS LVL 50

>>544579874
>Goku did the same with frieza when he first went super saiyan and no one gives him shit.
Freeza was a known quantity. He had done everything he could possibly do.
Boo could constantly regenerate and while absorption wasn't entirely known to everyone at that point, Gohan was toying with him to an absurd degree already (for someone who was calling Boo names by that point).