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>>544504594
Sakurai is a genius.
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>>544504047
>>544504723
https://youtu.be/hhUmrM-phU8?si=x2vDm7pFTota_E3P
I mean all they did for DOA4 was put choreographed gameplay over Aerosmith and it looks awesome because DOA just looks like an action movie, also there's Kokoro's kimono fysix just to flex.
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no kuvira no buy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vcgcIc-6I
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Make way for the Street Fighter killer.
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league plays don't like league they only play because they're streamers or have a crippling addiction
why would they want MORE
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https://www.youtube.com/live/Vfh0ki5JBac?si=4rQBfatkFVHv20Uj DOA 3
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>>544517749
Do you really think that a leftist soiboy from California like Max is going to be drawing huge furry jugs without complaining and demanding redesigns?
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>>544518845
You underestimate Max's Fame and importance. Doesn't matter if he censors the designs heavily. The fact that he drew them would be a huge draw and make more money than literally any furry hentai artist would as a draw.
He would be a fool to pass up an offer like this. It would be guaranteed money.
And if Max was a consultant on gameplay? It would be an even huger draw and a guaranteed hit no matter how good or bad the game actually is.
Max is the tastemaker of the fgc. What he says goes. No questions asked.
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>>544505173
>Daughter of Ozai
I buy. Play Avatar Blasterz
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Remember when Zangief used to fucking BITE people?
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>>544522317
remember when characters used to vomit?
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To make up for the lack of tournaments because my new PC shat itself, I will be hosting two VSAV tournaments on October 30th! First at 2pm EST and the second at 8pm EST! Sign up in the links below and I will see you all there!

(2pm EST)https://challonge.com/An_Empty_Tome
(8pm EST)https://challonge.com/Gaze_Up_At_Darkness

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
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>>544504594
>>544504794
Would plap mythra so hard while ignoring pyra
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>>544526106
Why are you so cruel?
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>>544526657
The superior girl deserves all the attention
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>>544519292
I crash my monster truck into Max's gated community cocaine mansion in the dead of night while he's asleep in his gamer chair and walk over the rubble of his Capcom toys and Killer Instinct arcade cabinet looming over him while he backs into a corner in a cold sweat and I plainly tell him "now here's what's going to happen. You are going to play GigaMaidens, you are going to become a GigaMaidens focused channel, and I don't care about any sponsorships, events or deals you have coming up - you are going to cancel them and play GM until your fingers break. And if you don't..."

I snap my fingers and Pera rips the roof off the house and she is holding Max's wife, the other three members of YoVideogames and Matt Mcmuscles

"They become Pera's lunch. Followed by you shortly thereafter. Do I make myself clear?"

"Y-Yes sir."

"I don't wanna have to come back here again. California makes me sick, you fucking egotistical entertainment-adjacent assholes. You and your smog, your designer meth, your $40 egg sandwiches. I should get Pera to torch this state to the ground but I'm feeling nice today."

As I head off, Max asks me when he can expect his steam code for the game.

I scoff and laugh. "Buy it, bitch. Your mom's rich. She told me last night."
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>cheez and pj posting back to back
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Alright, doods. I know this game looks a bit.... Problematic and the creator is a little Elon Musky, but hear me out.
It's actually super fun when you get past that...
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Okay chat, not gonna lie. This cast looks a little weird. Not feeling this hardcore gooner aesthetic, but it has rollback, so let's give it a fair shot.
I'll try this Winifred the spellsword character. I saw some of her combos on bluesky and they looked sick, just like Romolla with the 20 dollar donation.
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*man with long blonde hair appears on screen*
This is my guy, doods
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can't believe skullgirls couild've added a giantess character, millions of copies would've been sold
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>>544504594
>>544504794
>fighting games general
>first two posts are the protagonists of the best known JRPG within the last decade
I see you are trying to attract new people to post in the thread.
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IF ANY OF YOU NIGGAS ROLL UP IN HERE PLAYING MILCHI AND DOING THAT RETARDED TIGER FIST, I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU.
WATCH YOUR BACK IF YOU STEP UP TO ME AT EVO JAPAN DOING THAT SHIT, MOTHERFUCKER.
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did mbs finna reveal my wife/mom chun yet?
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I invented so much kasha tech and they SHIT on me...
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>>544522896
Don't you know? Everyone just says they like VSAV but no one plays it.
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As a new fg player I wish arcsys would just merge all their games into one giant crossover, but I guess that's a never ever.
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>>544537246
How do you feel about bbtag?
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Maybe we should do a DOA 2 Fightcade tournament.
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Kizzingtons, you know that I have to pick Gretel. Just look at her. You know she knows how to eat.
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>>544537486
I haven't had much of a chance to play it because my friends don't like it, but I want to try again now that I'm familiar with Central Fiction and Under Night and can compare how the same characters play between them.
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>>544533252
I hope you'll appreciate things I make beyond just the game itself like the theme I'm composing for Milchi.
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>>544539997
max draws way better than this btw
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>>544540091
proof?
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How would Max's redesigns of Milchi and Winifred look?
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>>544540528
Kneel. Just... Just kneel....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOe97uN0X6g
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>>544540650
He'd redesign both of them to look like him because he has a hyperfixation with Ken Masters or the Ken Masters phenotype
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>>544540650
Transmasc Milchi
Black grocery store auntie Winifred

Both very covered up

1000 dollars for each uncolored sketch
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>>544540964
>max just casually mogs every artist that ever posted here

LUHMOW
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>>544541863
you just know the failed artists are SEETHING
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He's beneath me
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>>544540964
Sorry, but post time skip Baron CLEARS
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>>544542417
This is just a generic standing anime pose
Max displays dynamism and lineart that is far better than this

If I was writing a comic book, I'd be hiring Max, not some furry gooner with no ideas or original thoughts
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He didn't draw that
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>You idiots don't understand his DYNAMISM and LINEART!!!!!
Oh that's what it's called when you make really shitty foreshortening and bad line weight. It's just called dynamism

Max's art looks like it was drawn by the same guy who did the art on the old AVGN episodes
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>pewdiepie
>max dood

why are youtube millionaires so good at drawing?
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Were y'all expecting Winifred to be dabbing and twerking.... On the model sheet?
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>>544543348
Their parents helped them pay for education more easily
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gooning to xanoz
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PJ is so jealous of Max's talent
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Lmao
Cheez is suddenly blades and beasts' strongest soldier because he thinks he can latch on to it now?
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>His parents paid 400k to put him through college so he could come out of it still drawing like a fifth grader
>Couldn't find a career doing art so he stuck doing his slacker youtube gig about games
>I didn't go to college and my art is way better than his
lol. lmao even
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that was before max was a millionaire so he really has no excuse
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>>544543715
Been a while since I did that myself.
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>>544544057
gotta get back to it
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for me it's sharkparty
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I don't need you people anymore.

Where were you in my hour of need where it really counted?

But now that I went through the Hercules Factory, you suddenly have something to say?

I offered you basilisks ACTUAL MONEY for your work and you went "unless your work is portfolio ready, your money is worth less than shit to me, lol"

I now have an actual production pipeline with pros (who work for 10 percent of your rate even with the commercial fee, by the way) that do as I say, no questions asked.

Why would I put up with the western purity test done by opportunistic NAGAS that will betray me in a heartbeat?

I have investors. I have deals lined up. I have UFE at the ready. Unrivaled composers. Top class illustrators.


You fell SERPENTS have been outmoded.

I asked you for ONE THING and you couldn't even do that! Never again ask why my team is 99 percent Korean, Filipino, and Japanese.
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>>544545042
Urkel...
why do you think anyone is obligated to work for you drawing NASTY AHH GOONER SLOP just because you threw 500 dollars at them?

What, am I one of your redneck strippers you have in the deep dirty south?

I'm supposed to put on a cowgirl hat and start twerking for you as I put the money in my daisy dukes?

Some of us have DIGNITY.

You're like those creepy white guys that can't get a white woman to fellate your one inch wonder, so you have to buy an Asian party wife.

Except it's some Taiwanese slave drawing the party wife for you at Chinese prices.


Check your ego, thug. No one owes you a favor.

Yes, paid labor in this context is a favor because the labor is just THAT abhorrent.
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Lmao
You poor ass trannoids are constantly on the brink of homelessness because of trump or something, whatever you blame this week.

You can't move back on with your parents because they don't approve of your lifestyle.

Are you pretending you wouldn't be drawing a squirrel with a fat ass and obese thighs and bbw tits if that is what it took to stay off of the brutal rape streets?
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>>544546401
Would glaze those fungbags
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwrJCcGUaWs
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>>544548516
built for paizuri
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This is a Max general
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>>544550048
Losing to xanoz...
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>>544552251
xanoz making you disappear between them
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...is THIS what you horny thugs do all day now?!?!!
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>>544553003
Does she just upload these to her twitter? Or these from an OF?
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>>544554135
instagram primarily
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>>544553894
fgg was always this
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Lost to Xanoz
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>>544556272
which one did it for you
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>>544556094
ugly and exclusively involved in drama, so spiritually ugly too.
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wasn't him
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>>544556345
This one >>544550048 really liked the smug face and amount of visible cleavage
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yall wilin
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>>544557027
The smug look while she drained you would go so hard
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is cheez still 30?
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Ancient gooning.
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What could Ryu do here?
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Did you know you can play shmups on Fightcade? Me and a friend played DaiOuJou co-op it was so cash.
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cheez just ERP'd in our faces and you niggas acting like its a normal every day occurrence

oh my days bruv
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finna bust to Roll rn
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>>544545042
But I was there with you during the bad times :)

This is how you repay me???
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>>544563707
I don't get why he made fun of sonicsol for doing the same thing when he's like this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7RrsJ8JgE

its here
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>>544565246
>Tom Brady content
BASED
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>>544565246
>scrubbers were people that were new and they swiped their hands over the arcade buttons so it looked like they were scrubbing someting and it eventually evolved into scrub

this arcade lore is interesting fr fr
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>Capcom makes fighting game
>It's abysmal dogshit
>Everyone: PLEASE CAPGAWD I BEG YOU!!!!!! MORE DOG SHIT!!!! MORE SHIT MORE SHIT MORE SHIT MORE SHIT MORE SHIT [bangs fork and knife while shit flies from mouth]
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Poison cuffing Lucia and show what PAWGs are destined for.
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>>544568619
Why are you always such a miserable fuck?
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>>544568973
Fuck you shit eater, STOP EATING SHIT!!!!!!
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>>544563707
Ain't no one roleplaying lil tim
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Round 2 with xanoz
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>>544577557
Normally I'd find this stupid, but blacks are the definitive Sonic fans. Their word carries more weight than SEGA's.
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I promise that y'all don't want Baron writing a Sonic story
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>>544578635
it can't be any worse than the last 20 years of SEGA writing sonic
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Vanilla: Blaze.. why do you have a penis now?
Blaze: the sol emeralds have incredible Powers even I don't understand! Now is an incredible heat within me, more than usual. I must relieve it.
Eggman: yeah, I'm just going to sit this one out
Winifred the cat: even my magic can't decipher this!
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Sonic smut fanfiction in fgg. Oh my days.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3rjWiJmDVs
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Y'all cry about bouncy disney animation but that avatar game is too far in the other direction. It's too stiff and undynamic.
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Starting to think that most people (normies) play isn't what the media tells them to play, but what their group of friends would gravitate towards, even if you hate the game.

This is why the /fgc/ only plays capcom fighters, even thought they hate those games.
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You don't play anything in the first place, Cris.
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cris has zero friends
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issa golden age
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>>544578150
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>>544585856
She needs to make those lips a glossy red
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>>544586292
you've got the right idea
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>>544585856
>>544586602
is she an unsafe ebw?
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>>544586602
Hell yeah, that's so much better

>>544586769
Dangerous thot
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>>544586828
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of course it takes an all-out goon sesh for this general to be anything but dead
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>>544587293
Maybe I should make a xanoz folder...
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>>544587530
who tf is that
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>>544587894
what were you waiting for?
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>>544588124
Just never got around to it. Since I already had hitomi and hidori rose folders among various fightan sniffs.
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how high does my iq need to be to play vampire savior?
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>>544588480
you're missing out
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>>544589286
I don't think is a complex game.

It's more like a mobile game in the sense is meant to be played for small bursts over long sessions.

Game is very good for what it is, a fun 20 minutes game.
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>>544589360
You think she's got any nudes out there?
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>>544589743
none that's readily available anyway
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high IQ: lilith, bb hood, bishamon, hsien ko, anakaris
mid IQ: morrigan, jon talbain, demitri
braindead: felicia, sasquatch, q bee, zabel, rikuo
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I remember getting filtered by the fishman's bubbles
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>>544590000
>high IQ: lilith,
Stopped reading
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Why doesn't SNK do a Malin with Chin and give us a cute girl sharing some of his moves?
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high IQ: amakaris, demitri, zabel, q bee
mid IQ: bb hood, bishamon, rikuo, lilith, hsien ki
braindead: morrigan, sasquatch, jon talbain, felicia
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>>544504594
why does it lead to a 404. why does this general exist
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high iq: +1 Chun
braindead: playing
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>>544589491
which game is high iq then? i thought vampire savior was the highest iq fighting game?
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Why didn't reichan inform baron of the cheaper firipinjin workers and insist he spend 75k a year on an American animator?

Wasn't she japanese?
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>>544593501
Autora4X and Dwarve Fortress are the definition of autism.

pic related is aurora 4x
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disc: Luvcheez
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>>544593673
which fighting game*
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>>544593501
>>544593848
Ah, sorry, missread vampire survivor, kek.

The highest IQ fighting game would have to be Virtua fighter then maybe tekken.

2D wise I think the most complex would have to be aquapazza, because that games has every 2D mechanic in the genre.

But overall kof and snk fighters to me would require higher IQ than capcom fighter.

I assume Guilty gear is high IQ for a 2D fighter also.
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>>544593650
Hot take: paying people well for skilled labor is le good. Meanwhile, exploiting third world is le bad.

You could just... pay people fair wages for the work they are being asked to do. Crazy thought, I know.
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>>544593943
you just seem to equate more mechanics/busywork with higher iq
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>>544589286
Vampire Savior is one of the highest IQ 2D fighting games and the peak of Capcoms works.
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>>544593943
2xko has more mechanics than your literal who visual novel pornography party game from 2011, just saying
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recommend me a good game where i can play cammy
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>>544593943
>The highest IQ fighting game would have to be Virtua fighter then maybe tekken.
LOL
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>>544594180
ST
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Street Fighter 2: Hyper Fighting is the highest IQ fighting game
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>>544594059
maybe.

As for high IQ, if you mean execution, then high IQ characters would be I think Angel and Maylee in kof, maybe Shang Tsun in UMK3, and maybe magnetto, storm and other Marvel 2 characters.

Generally most 2D fighters have a high execution character like C-Vipper and also simpler execution characters.

So the question isn't which is the highest IQ game, but more which are the highest execution characters.

I assume angel is easily among the highest execution wise characters in all fighters.
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>>544594220
from my understanding Virtual fighter characters are mostly kara heavy characters with a shit ton of situational movements.
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>>544593965
Your favorite anime about little girls buying candy and studying for math tests used chinese, korean, and or Filipino workers for the tedious parts. They were paid $8 an hour. At the most.

Why is it bad when other people take advantage of this? Why do you hold non-corporation to ridiculous standards?
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>>544594346
execution by itself is zero, perhaps even negative iq (negative just because the higher the execution requirements for a game the more time needs to be spent relatively working on zero iq things)
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>>544593943
>The highest IQ fighting game would have to be Virtua fighter
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO NO
OOOOOOooooh lordy lmao, No, no this shit was debunked when they re-released 5 and everyone saw just how low IQ the game really was.
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Guaranteed not a one of you spear chucking thug apes as ever played vf, aquapazza, guilty gear, or Tekken

You border hopping carjacking porch monkeys just jack off all day like little animals

Shut up and stay out of adult conversations
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>>544593943
This read like a reddit post from someone who doesn’t play fighting games.
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>>544594518
reina mogs asuka so hard
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>>544594665
It still is muscle memory.

If by IQ you mean strategy, then 2D fighters aren't a high IQ genre, because the strategy needed in high IQ games like 4X or chess, is too slow for the pace of 2D fighters.
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>>544594818
strivers look like this???
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>>544594818
Why would we want to play those low IQ kuso games?
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>>544594886
It's Cris.
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>>544594954
low IQ post
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>>544595029
Defeating this thot in vsav should give free use of those things
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FldNY_9hHM

>dude, my favorite /fgg/ e-celeb told me that VF is le shitty game

Nobody here plays VF so why I should take seriously your opinion?

I don't play the game, but is high IQ.
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>>544595348
I don’t keep up with the designated thread flavor of the month boogiemen. In the future just blame it on Cheez. thnx
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>Nobody here plays VF so why I should take seriously your opinion?
>I don't play the game, but is high IQ.
So, what is it?
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>>544594954
You still need to be good to play bullet chess, and it's not like the people playing bullet chess are drastically different from the people playing classical
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>>544595486
beat her in a first to five and she'll drain you as many times as you want
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>>544594954
ever heard of bullet chess?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-vcAyD0V_E
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>>544595694
I know enough about the game to know each character has hundreds of kicks and punches and multiple stances, which require to basically memorize 10 times more per character than a 2D character.

Also you need to memorize the stance endings, and what options each special stance will have in the chain.

>>544595726
>>544595949
diferent skills.

fighting games are about muscle memory and reactions, which is diferent from the slow strategy skills.
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>>544595496
we can see footage of virtua fighter being played and see the matches almost entirely take place at range 0, there's very little neutral which is the most complex part of fighting games
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>>544596064
reddit post
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VF is a super low IQ game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6nwKtaaJ4
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>>544595897
And just lost again
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>>544596064
You don't play VF so why I should take seriously your opinion?
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>>544596429
because I studied the rules of the game.
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>>544596064
fighting games still have chess like strategy it's just deemphasized, they also have forms of strategy that games like chess don't have
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>>544596413
what did it for you that time?
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>>544595949
Wtf Danya died
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The only person here that played Virtua Fighter or aqua plaza was a literal retard black that lived with his mom at the age of 30, didn't go to college, dropped out of high school, couldn't even figure out the basics of Godot or ikemen, and wrote long autistic paragraphs to himself about Sonic porn and Vanessa's muscles.

He would even enter tournaments and beat people in those games.

How in the world are those games high iq?

Lmao
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>>544596483
the strategy of 2D chess stops at like 5 layers of decisions.

>Wakeup options
>Options select
>Measuring poking neutral distance
>Jumping after a knockdown
>Cheap enemy
>Roll fireballs
>Anti air a jump
>hit confirms into super or combo
>Empty jump bait
>50/50
>Crossups
>Fireball zoning
>Meter waste cheaps
>Retreat backdash
>Keepaway strategy

Besides these concepts, there's not much to the genre, and it boils down to reactions.
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>>544596504
Those red DSLs >>544586602

>>544596703
NiGHTS also plays virtua fighter and I also played VF5US with baron sometimes.
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https://clips.twitch.tv/BlightedPlausibleWoodcockJonCarnage
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>>544596903
And you've gooned your brains out so hard, your IQ can't be any higher than 65 now.
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>>544596903
you just know she can throat it with ease
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUHeQSDLvHo
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>>544596476
Cool
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>>544596768
>the strategy of 2D chess stops at like 5 layers of decisions.
not sure what that's supposed to mean
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>the brainlet doesn't understand chess footsies
Just say you're shit and you've got no neutral
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>>544597024
Some of the most intelligent men throughout history gooned everyday.

>>544597040
might have to go 3/5 with this thot later
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>>544597524
she clearly wants it
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virtua fighter is like skullgirls where /fgg/ can't stop seething about the game's existence but none of you fags have played it in depth so they can never substantiate why the games are kuso beyond "t-THEY JUST ARE OK"
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i've never watched a single second of vf gameplay and have no opions of it
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>>544593650
Leftists typically care more about optics than what is actually viable for most people. These are the kind of "humans" that will tell you to hire local even if the local is some zoomer that just plays on tik tok all day and disrespects customers while hardly doing any work. The purity test only exists for people they dislike, however, as all their favorite films and games are the direct result of third world sweat shop labor. They will never acknowledge this, of course, but that is a story for another day.

>>544593965
Why are you retarded faggots always saying you want more diverse teams of people, but then start frothing out the mouth when I try to hire an Asian guy over a white guy in a dress? What, the latter gets more "points" automatically because of the clothes?

Regardless, you're missing the important point here. I tried hiring YOU PEOPLE and you spat in my face. I offered YOUR KIND a fair wage based on what was asked and you rejected me.

"It's never gonna come out, so I don't care if you throw 500 USD at me"

"Your documents are just brainstorming, I'm not reading all of this frame data and move property info even if you have 1000 USD for me right here and right now."

"A fighting game? No one is going to play this, waste of resources. Save your money, fella."

"Make this into a roguelike deckbuilder instead and then MAYBE I'll take your 1500 USD down payment. Keyword: Maybe. I don't even know you, lol"

Why would I continue to associate with people that give these useless qualifications?

Meanwhile, there are entire nations of people that would gladly take that money, even less than it. And you squandered the chance.


You slammed the door in my face and locked then, but now you're crying that I went elsewhere.

Do not call it a grave. It is the future YOU chose. Never forget that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGiolzh9LLs
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I don't have a problem with the game. It's just that this dummy who doesn't play is trying to sound smart.
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The real reason the skullgirls is bad is not actually what a lot of people think it is. People say "A TOP PLAYER WHO WENT TO SUPER BATTLE OPERA DESIGNED THIS SYSTEM, BROS!" But still in one game does not always translate into knowledge of how to make your own enjoyable game. That's like saying every drone that performs in a concert or an orchestra would also be a good songwriter. The London philharmonic is full of talented guys, obviously. But they are what you would call working artists, not designers of their own music.
Anyway, school girls has the most Jewish system in existence. That is why it is so subversive. Mike Z quite literally created a shabbos goy battle system. He stated that hard knockdowns were bad and that set play was the antithesis of fighting games, so he created a system where soft knockdowns are far more common and very few characters can do hard knockdowns. But.. you can just circumvent the soft knockdowns anyway. You quite literally can just do a reset or a re-stand, and then avoid the hard not down altogether, then go for some guaranteed timing setup to do what is basically an HKD set up anyway. So then. How is this really any different than set play or I hard knock down at the end of the day?
It is exactly like how Jews will try to pretend to be devout, not using lights or opening doors on the Sabbath, and then they just get some black guy like Obama to open the door for them anyway. Yeah, you didn't technically turn the light on yourself, but at the end of the day, the light still got turned on for you. Don't act all high and mighty when you have to rely on your slaves to get your work done LMAO.
This is what Clayton would call a hypocritical game system.

Really, a lot of the western Indie fighting games have these kinds of issues. Retarded Ideas that sound good on paper. Things that look good on a Twitter clip, but are not actually fun to play against or to do. Things that you will not want to see after 10K matches.
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I like my coffee like I like my girls
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>>544598427
>Anyway, school girls has the most Jewish system in existence. That is why it is so subversive.
Is this what it's like to be schizophrenic
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>>544598776
small and brown? deLISH
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If you think I'm exaggerating, just look at how he talks about guilty gear. In any of his videos where he describes how he makes fighting games or how he created the systems for his game, he'll say things like "I like Guilty Gear, but set play is the heat death of the universe."

And yet.. his solution just caused more issues.

It would be like insulting some guy for having a house with solid wooden doors that are easily opened with a lock pick, but then your genius solution is to create a door that is impossible to pick, but the door is made of glass, so thugs can just kick it down anyway.

Yeah, you solved the issue you were making fun of, but the house is still getting broken into, your wife is getting brutally raped by arabs, and they stole your TV anyway.

PJ reached the correct answer through a different method about why this game is terrible, and I think he already knows that tag games are inherently just degenerate and bad and nonsensical, but this is something that I never see people really bring up about why the game is bad or why ultimately has limited appeal beyond the more surface level and obvious issues with it.
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>>544599202
isn't mvc2 good?
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I see the little Timmy is losing it again
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>>544599378
No, MvC2 is bottom of the barrel kusoge
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The interesting thing is that he actually understands this on the surface. He even talks about what kind of things are cool to see after x amount of matches, what kind of things become boring and tedious after a while, and so on. So he definitely understands the concept. However I feel like a lot of the western Indie developers will create a game they think sounds cool on paper or that they would want to play, but then it ends up being something they don't even actually like. You see that with clockwork and guys like combo fiend all the time. How often do you see them talking about the games they were doing or actually trying to play them, like at all? The only footage I can find of nappyrat playing thems fighting herds it's from around 7 years ago while trying to promote it with Max. The only guy I can think of that actually tries to play their game for real is the rivals of aether guy. You didn't see clockwork playing power rangers at Evo whenever it was there, yeah you did see him playing marvel and CVS 2. You didn't see combo fiend playing any of the games he helped balance, just playing the games he already liked.
Many people think they know what they want, but when faced with reality, they go back to what is familiar to them. Even before his Excommunication, you would see Mike playing Guilty Gear and marvel more than his own game that major tournaments
This would be like if harada entered Virtua Fighter at Evo Japan, but just ignore the Tekken bracket. This would be like if pikuty went to Evo and played only chaos code instead of entering e's laf. It's not inherently a bad thing, but it makes it look like you don't even care about your own game or that's just not very fun to play since you can't even play it when it's on the big stage. I get being too busy to enter it on its own, but having time to play other games that are there while it is there? That is just asinine, as Hank Hill would put it
>>544599378
Better than its clones, worse than its contemporaries
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>>544600117
I pogged
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When I say "better than its clones"
I mean that pretty much every Versus Clone made by USA people is trying to "evolve the genre" in very bad and unfun ways, have worse movement, slower frame data, uglier art, and/or are just very derivative in a way that is not actually clever or interesting.

For lack of a better comparison, it's like MD Geist versus some random Netflix slop.

Yeah, it's not what I'd call a good OVA, especially compared to what else was coming out at the time. It's no Arslan Senki or Ginga Eiyuu Densestsu. But compared to whatever slop "parody" it gets from some abridged series watching reddit atheist tumblrina tranny cuck brain rotted zoomer that skimmed a wiki and went to calarts, thus assuming they were now an expert on animation, writing, subversion, and comedy? e.g. YouTube/Netflix slop? Yeah, MD Geist is gold by that standard.

Just look at MD Geist, compare it to some crap like DMC Netflix or pretty please I don't want to be a magical girl and tell me that MD Geist is the worst thing you've ever seen.

The nbc2 imitators are like that. Just spouting memes and copying concepts without any real thought, then making a game that no one wants to play. The typical American versus game approach. Trying to make a beginner version of a game that is inherently unfriendly with teams. Power rangers, skullgirls, and all the other imitators. It's like trying to slow down jazz or pushing for training wheels in bmx. It's just not going to work!


But like I said, not better than it's contemporaries. I prefer things like kof98 and vampire savior to it.
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Holy Kizuna Encounter gameplay from SNK itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPqKR1E6WZM
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I think there's a inherent flaw in a western culture where sometimes people will try to make something based around shock flash and all but then they don't realize how that actually negatively affects what they're making you know what I mean? It feels like sometimes they'll just go oh yeah dude perfect then I just need to be situations where they will just shove more and more and not worrying about QA not worrying about testing not the money and before you know what they spent 2 million dollars and because it looks good and has polished some idiots will say it was good regardless it's like how Electra underground said that time where he was talking about how if a game is not polished critics will hate it and yeah that's a thing you can just have polish in the game can be like just completely awful and they'll still say it's way good that is their problem so that's the thing some people are all about the graphics because it has mildly good graphics people just say oh it's right there that is that's the best thing in the world because you guys can't really look at things objectively with reality or intelligently.
It's just really interesting to me because like people will think yeah that looks cool, but they don't think can I do this x amount of times for every character in the game? They just were impulsive and can't do any planning this is why I say planning it so important and you guys just can't see that for what it is that's how you get school girls situation where you spend $2 million dollars on some stupid feature you got to take care anyway hence the giant amount of hitboxes that cost a bunch of money because he did not think that one through and change it later on.
Really that place to American cartoons as well where people think oh I just have to draw a little bit of cartoon whatever storyboard and then after a while if I do well enough I'm going to be a showrunner because people don't care about animation and most can't even name one USA animation director.
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For the Love of All that is holy, can someone PLEASE put a bullet through this nigga's skull already and do the entire world a favor?

It's not like we need that many McDonald's managers. They can be replaced. That's kind of the point.

Low skill job for low quality people.
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>>544600848
I'm feelin this P1 team
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r.i.p.
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Viddy's going nuts tonight
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>>544602627
Who is viddy and how is he going nuts?
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was that baron or fakeron or chatgptron or viddyron?
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Does it really matter? The end result is this place being shitted up with schizo ramblings about how skullgirls is bad because jews get blacks to open doors for them, it doesn't matter who the deliverer of that is
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>>544597185
this is the game fgg loves to talk about?
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which is higher iq? street fighter alpha 2 or street fighter alpha 3?
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it's over doods crapcom has moved to windows 11 i will finally be free from their games....
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The black open the doors for us on Saturday so we can pretend we didn't defy the talmud

The Russian pmcs do our dirty work so we can pretend we didn't do any more crimes

The untechable resets provide us by hkd oki so we can pretend our game doesn't have setplay
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>>544604605
Alpha 3 by a huge margin, the game is over loaded with mechanics and sub mechanics, larger cast with more character specific things, CC's are way harder in A3 than A2. A3 is probably the hardest SF game to learn desu.

That doesn’t make it fun to play though.
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>>544604605
clayton said alpha 2 is better
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>>544607128
lots of mechanics, hard to learn, and hard execution doesn't make a game high iq
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>Oh yeah, this happened
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>>544607319
Proof Alpha 3 is better
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SFEX2 is Alpha 2 but good
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do custom combos and alpha counters ruin alpha 2?
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>>544609504
as a mechanic, no. on character specific cases, yes
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>>544504594
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PuBvjvHruCMUfhY8qmB-Wc8wq_ziSxKrlNFNxL8iLqs/edit?tab=t.0
>inb4 someone calls me ellie for sharing fax
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>>544610532
Are you going to apply for a role in English dub of blades and beasts, Ellie?
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>>544611549
1. The director (ideas guy) hates my people, so he would never hire me in the first place.

2. I also hate his people (Tarlenol babies), so I never would apply in the first place!

3. Young Timmy negro has no taste, so he wouldn't appreciate my skills.

4. Diminutive Urkel can't afford me anyway.

5. The head niqqa in charge is the Apex of weeaboo, so he would not have an English dub in the first place.

So yeah, this is kind of a silly question.
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>>544595496
>I don't play the game
we know, cris
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>>544604697
i have to download windows 11appa to slime now?
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I miss Brick...
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has any other general gone out as sad as us?
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if they gave us SFV ultimate it would save this general
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>>544505058
crazy how smooth the animations are compared to mashen 8 STILL reusing ps1 era animations
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>>544617391
Probably some dead eos gacha
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>>544617391
>playing lots of SCII and DoA3 recently
>'i wonder if theres a fight general'
>enter thread with hopes high
>its all schizo meltdown, namefag drama and someone posting hundreds of pictures of some real life ugly woman
i dont know why i expected different after browsing this site for over a decade.
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>>544620803
lmao
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>>544620803
let's play samsho v sp
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>>544620803
We used all our energy to carry SFV then Capcom double-crossed by making a party-masher for normies
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Did you know that "set play" originated from the Japanese word uke-seme, which explains the relationship between the top (set player) and the bottom (knocked down player)?
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>>544618440
Yeah, smooth. idk if it's the animation or the environment system but the Tina vs Lisa and Hitomi vs Jann Lee legit looks like movie.

I'm not a Tekken anim hater though, like the Tekken mocap was well done so the animations themselves are fine. Tekken 8 has many many other problems.
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"you people" used to talk far more positively about invincible, but then they hired a transsexual and then "you people" went nuts...
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>>544636153
just...don't hire evil people?
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>>544636153
Invincible is the gayest faggot shit ever and always has been.

Oh what if superhero but bad lol!!!!!!!! Yeah like that shit wasn't played out even by the 90s. The Tick did it better.
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>>544622449
SFV was a party-masher for normies
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Did you know that "seth play" originated from the Japanese word uke-seme, which explains the relationship between the top (seth) and the bottom (me)?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVp0b8bnR2E
World Heroes Perfect and chill
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>>544641032
The game that started BRUTAL RAPE
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>>544639267
the tick wasn't bad, he was just kinda bumbling...
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I would go to my fighting game local, but it's full of trannies and knowing them they keep 0 impact drama in their heads for as long as they live so even being around them makes me uncomfortable.

Hopefully their rights get removed soon
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>>544598087
>A fighting game? No one is going to play this, waste of resources
>unless your work is portfolio ready, your money is worth less than shit to me, lol

These are both correct and fair statements.

Fighting games are a dead, niche genre and you're not going to revolutionize it by adding more gooner slop with no commentary or subversion on gooner slop. More played straight porno? big whoop, seen it a million times.

Protecting and enhancing one's portfolio is the most important thing to an artist. If there's a black mark on it like some dead flop, no one gives a damn. It's like putting Wild Wild West on your resume. Do you think that would get Will Smith more movie roles? Of course not.

In other words, the people that rejected you did nothing wrong. The portfolio must be padded with GOOD things, not flops in obscure genres. It's like trying to get hired and going "Yeah, I was in some grindhouse film that 5 people watched" and no one is going to care. Why waste time on that when I could be in something people will actually see, thus get me more attention and better jobs?
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Skullgirls is actually a great example of this in action.

Fighting games are a dead party genre no one cares about, so Mariel Cartwright got no notoriety or good jobs from it. It was also not profitable, with Lab Zero stating they were millions of dollars in the hole because of it and having to do a crowdfunder just to make more characters. It wasn't until after Skullgirls became a huge thing thanks to the mobile game that they ever got money or she got hired to work on Clock Tower: Rewind.

Face it, this genre is irrelevant and only a fool who's desperate would work on one. No wonder this loser had to start hiring Filthypinos that eat literal bags of trash all day and have no other options to listen to his delusions, lol.

This is the Blades and Beasts staff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7gDBVmgIRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYFiU8CT5GU
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>>544636153
Nobody likes these """"women"""/Timmanthas wearing their momma's clothes. I hate games that cater to that demographic or are made by these unskilled nepobaby motherfuckers. And weak people do toxic positivity never telling these motherfuckers that they straight up suck at what they do.
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Is this guy really simping for a party asian that failed her kuso card game vn dating game about le evil capitalism?
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>>544648101
Don't worry, Rip is keeping her in line
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speedoru and xandrecos in charge of animation.
baron on game design
mike z on netcode
max dood in charge of advertising and funding
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>>544648116
What's wrong with that? She exposed the FGC for what it was and how irrelevant it was.
She gave YOU PEOPLE literal diamonds for YEARS and none of you supported her. It's not her fault that the game flopped. She hoped that YOU UNGRATEFUL DEMONS would have helped pay for her next project.

If you have to start exploiting desperate Southeast Asian third world ghetto animators and programmers that are one bounced check away from starving to death in order to get a project done, maybe... that's a sign that your ideas are bad?

Meanwhile, Mariel was the tastemaker. She would refused projects she was not comfortable with. She would reject ideas that were bad. Mike and co tried to get her to work on Project Durian for Focus Entertainment, she thought it looked like slop, and she rejected it.

She got to present the Dice Awards recently, so clearly someone likes her.

What have you done?
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>>544648446
Do we really need Max dropping Hard Rs to promote a game now?
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>>544648446
I was about to say "Resetera would lynch max for promoting a mike z game" but then I remembered Diesel Legacy game out and it was so irrelevant, hardly anyone cared that Max was paid to shill it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-C5LK2oXw
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>>544648547
She needs an ideas guy because quite clearly her own shit didn't cut it. I don't care how well or many bouncy disney sprites she's drawn, it's quite harrowing that she lacks the la creatividad that BDE ideaGAWDs possesses.
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Why do Asians hate other Asians so much? Dawg wants some half Japanese pussy so badly that he started calling the Filipinos third world trash eaters lmao
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that guy is probably white
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>>544596703
i also play virtua fighter
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MVOnppOag
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>>544650636
my condolences
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>>544522896
hey, https://challonge.com/An_Empty_Tome
this tournament is in few hours, i want to play but i am not from eu/usa (pakistan) (its possible our ping might be upto 250ms),
also on the checkin time i am in middle of commute from work to home, but tournament start time is perfect by that time i am at home and ready to play.

should i apply or it won't be feasible, its okay if its not, other tournament is like 5am for me so its no go,
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Most autistic fighting games of all time, from S to D ranked
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>>544645905
Just because 'fighting games are a niche genre' doesn't mean there's no money to be made from catering to that niche.

It's probably a loss leader for big companies like SNK who keep having to throw money at its army of Patel Shitfingers to keep their game talked about and their shareholders happy.

But if an indie can make a decent fighting game and release it while keeping their dev costs low then they might make a cool penny. Despite what the Skullgirls say you don't have to spend a quarter of a million dollars on animating a single character's billion frame leg movement with a billion lines of action. You can find smart ways to reduce costs and make a fighting game if your passion is in it. Indie devs with not much overhead keep a larger share of their profits.
But just always treat indie gamedev as a hobby. If you make it, that's great, but if not, at least you learned skills and kept yourself unbored for a time. Just make your game and don't make every idiotic decision you possibly can like the SG devs did.
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>>544653129
What do you mean by autistic?
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>>544654138
Sorry, I meant artistic
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This fat bastard railed Mariel while you timmys and urkels sit in your dark rooms gooning to her
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>>544654138
>>544654547
No, autistic, like low functioning tylenol ingesting special needs jacks off into the hamster tank and watches my little pony while avoiding eye contact with you type of autistic.
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>>544596703
nothing wrong with living at home.
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>>544620803
In our defense, this is the worst generation of fighting games that has ever hit the genre.
When SFV came out and was ass people at least migrated to other games and tried new shit.

Now every game is ass so we're in a complete state of apathy.
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SFV carried this general. The release of SF6 made it obvious.
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>>544653129
>trash bros
LOL, LMAO even
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>>544655365
gooning is better...
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>>544645905
Nigga you know nothing about art portfolios lmfao
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>>544653129
Jojos and cross tag too high
Mvc2 WAY too low, nigga put that shit under brawl lmfaoo
Sf2 turbo way too low as well
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>>544655648
Yeah you pretty much should live at home until you find a wifey
Otherwise youre just throwing money away for no reason
I would literally be a multimillionaire rn if I had stayed at home til 30
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>>544656446
Its not truly that bad but this gen is pretty slimy
The genre really does need a serious shakeup
2xko had the financial potential to do it but riot fucked it up like they always do
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>>544658601
I think surprisingly marvel might have some sauce to it
Its not crazy or anything but it has normie-appeal and it looks decent
They just gotta chill with the beatmania combos and tbqh they should rework the way assists are acquired
Make a more interesting game-within-a-game deal
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>>544658601
>Its not truly that bad

>Green Idiot 6
>Affirmative 8
>Moron Kombat 1
>Guilty Goomer Straights
>66L Rising
>Assorted anime kuso that nobody gives a fuck about

How is it not gigagrim?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RblKYJuMUks
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>>544658783
>>544658601
What do you consider a good fighting game?
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Sup young THUGS
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>fucking up a rompack
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>>544660402
What's wrong with it?
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>>544660402
digital eclipse are pros at that
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I mean, would y'all really work on some gooner ahh furry game for any amount of money?
Be honest.
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let's go ricki
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First tournament of the day is canceled due to last minute thing happening on my end. I'll try and be back for the second tournament later tonight but no promises.

>>544652028
I have no issue with people of any region joining any of my open region tournaments. Sadly though something came up at the last minute so I'm going to have to cancel this tournament(and possibly the later one too).
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>japanese courts threw out nintendo's patent against palworld
luhmeow traceappa niggas won
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>>544660989
I'd look at it when it's 99% done and if it seems like it would be profitable, I'd put my name on it as the publisher and take most of the credits and profits
That's why they call me the wolf of weebstreet
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>>544661572
Of course. We're living in the age of traceappa.
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>>544661572
the patent has nothing to do with the case, nintendo is still brutally raping them
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>>544661926
Ah shit
Here we go again
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>>544662031
number 4 incoming?
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>>544661857
I wonder if twitch streamers feel any sort of guilt for how responsible they are for this. It is literally one to one for how the current state of AAA games are caused by trying to appeal to soulless shareholders, the current state of indie games being "what if current popular (usually roguelike) thing but in as different dimension/genre" are directly caused by trying to appeal to twitch streamers. Faggots like Northernlion are responsible for this.
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Why is Sajam shilling 2xkuso so fucking hard? Is he plapping trannies on the dev team or what?
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>2xkuso
LOL, LMAO even
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IT'LL BLOW UP WITH THE CONSOLE RELEASE VAPPA
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2XKO will survive purely off whales. Way too many people bought that $100 arcane pack.
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I see the little Timmy is still obsessed with 2xko
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>>544662479
nigga they're not feeling any guilt making 6 figures playing slop like that in their mansions
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>>544663259
It's California slop made for that audience
He is a part of that audience
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>>544504594
Is it hotter they expose themselves or mutually expose each other?
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Why is he always spamming this woman? Who the fuck is she anyway?
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>>544661318
stop with the excuses, we all know you're dodging me!
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>>544666353
Xanoz
She plays vsav
No, she doesn't have a dick
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>>544659375
Sf6 bores me personally
T8 is still aight for just running your aggro game, nothing special
Mk1 is doooo
GGS is actually pretty fun if youre ok with grimy anime shit which I am and theres plenty of casuals
I dont fuck with rising
You can also just play old shit if thats how u roll
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>>544660178
I mean I fuck with DBFZ in the middle seasons like 2 or so years after release after they fixed some of the initial issues but before the hardcore powercreep characters started coming out
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>>544656446
sfv wasnt that great but it was still an okay fighting game at its core

dix is a monstrosity
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>>544668803
Hm. Never played it.
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>>544668263
>T8 is still aight for just running your aggro game, nothing special
You don't know what you're talking about if this is your opinion.
You could remove the worst think about T8(Heat) and the game would still fundamentally be fucked due to tracking issues and every character have access to moves that are game warping.

>>544668827
Anyone with eyes can see that SFV in its final years is a way better game than Mickey 6.
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SFV at launch was a better game than SF6 will ever be.
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I have posted here for 4 years and I never played SFV.
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>>544663259
>Is he plapping trannies on the 2XKusO dev team or what?
Take a guess
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Umm... Chipotle bros?
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>>544672901
No one here did, the people who actually played jive left /fgg/ like 5 years ago.
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>>544673179
Appealing to twitch zoomers with no money is a bad idea.
Who in the world was surprised by this?

What's next? Are companies going to finally realize that appealing to broke leftist trannies is also bad for business?

You need to make older white men happy to get profits.
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>>544670898
Idk wym cuz thats literally what I was saying
Like just go hard aggro cuz thats like the game lol the defensive movement era is over like just go hard and run your game
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>>544673179
Remember when retards at evo literally cheered when a chiptole ad came on screen? Genuinely the most embarassing shit I've seen
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If my choices are being poor or shucking and jiving for Timmy's grandpa....
Call me Mr Broke
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Retards like Obama & Sajam cried for years about esports but said nothing about EVO and other tournaments being taken over by shit that was even worse. Once the Saudis get bored and the money stops, the american FGC will collapse. The bank run on the FGC has been happening and no one is saying a thing about it.
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>>544673179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj80VjraMQc
I hope they drop the Chipotle x EVO sponsorship and instead we just get regular illegal juans parked out in front of the venues with food trucks playing "El Paso del Gigante" while you get your authentic non whitey made $8 4 tacos al pastor

Seriously though, fuck Sajam and fuck Chipotle
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-KnC69qli0
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>>544675785
>BoxJam Slam
Sounds like a meet-up for PAAGS(bio) but its for some funky ass games. Luhmeow
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>>544673179
>>544674219
>>544675653
I remember hanging with the boys and watching EVO this past year
There were so many fucking ads it was insane
The entire night was just ads after ads with matches sandwiched in there once every hour or so, fucking ridiculous
And then during the last round of CotW grand finals, which went to literally the last round possible, we got a twitch ad that lasted like 4 minutes and we missed the outcome
It genuinely is not worth watching EVO live any more, they completely ruined the viewing experience with their excessive corporatization
It is 1000x better to just watch the Top 8’s on youtube afterwards
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>>544675785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AflqunLFg3Y [Embed]
ShillJam seriously couldn't get NothernLion to stop by and compete? Wouldn't he and he alone be able to bring back the amount of loss players that 2XKO needs when he called tranny notation a blight against straights, god, and jesus christ himself?
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I still don't know who Timmy Lion is supposed to be or why I should care
This is like when everyone was obsessed with Paris Hilton 20 years ago
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>>544677653
You don't understand, timmies spamming about ecelebs and namefags is the only thing keeping this general alive
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>>544678871
I at least understand cheez
He's some weird washed up marvel player from the plumber era
But this new guy popped up out of nowhere and I don't comprehend his relevance at all
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What do you do when you can't pinpoint why you're losing any more and are just autopiloting your way to L's or W's without really comprehending why? I just run my internal script until the end, then am either upset or just exhale and go "Okay fine, I win. I don't want to play another one."
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that nigga cheez really gooned to xanoz...
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>>544682607
those gay niggas added eachother on discord. imagine the nasty shit they be saying in there
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOdgvIkBHj0
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>>544683171
that arc was straight dookie as well as the arc right after it
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I always saw the progression of slang as shortening with each iteration so "rage baiting" being the replacement for "trolling" is weird
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do smash threads not exist anymore, lol I know not a real fighting game
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>>544683868
Yeah the smash general died. People just post about it here, though 99% of the time it's just concerning some drama that happened in the smash community and not about the actual game.
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>>544683868
Every modern fg has Smash controls so fuck it why not.
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>>544684039
>>544684089
the game is no fun allowed mode. None of the ffa lobbies are actually ffa. God forbid I don't want to 1v1 occasionally
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>>544683171
he shouldve lost no cap and also he should be fucking dead at the end thats literally the entire lore behind the gates nigga
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>>544685240
"It shortens your lifespan / kills you" powers never actually do huh.
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>>544685240
it was non-canon anime only slop
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>>544685467
Nope.
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>>544681467
I mean this questions doesnt make sense because it really should be quite obvious why youre losing
Every time you get hit by anything you made a mistake
Thats just inherent to getting hit, you fucked up somewhere
Figure out if it was spacing, pressing a button when you shouldnt, failing to anti-air etc.
Like just rewatch your matches and see what you fuck up, and then work on those things if you care to
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>song starts getting good
>cuts abruptly
>song is good
>is short
that fucking bum jpegmafia really thinks hes a visionary for doing this shit btw he really thinks hes being expressive by making dogshit premature ejaculation music
>>544617391
you gotta get to your bottom of the mountain to start climbing
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnczWJfWoCs



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