New Achra when

>>544548835
Lands of achra never.

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Finally got around to playing Jupiter Hell classic
winrar'd my 3rd run on hard with marine, nearly running out of ammo at the end despite using shotguns
wish the higher difficulties weren't locked to begin with

/rlg/ more like /dlg/

>>544551620
Diaper lover general?

>>544550313
I never found the skill/character systems very satisfying in this one. The combat and sound were definitely great by roguelike standards but it never pulled me in because I really like to make interesting build choices in games.

>dimensional stress
last time I got hit with that much dimensional stress I almost died of a simultaneous boomer bile and hounds of tindalos proc

>>544555582
definitely not something I can sink a ton of hours into replaying, but it's a fun change of pace from other roguelikes

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any of these worth getting? on top of the oens i already have.
there doesn't seem to be a limit to how many i install

>>544560676
Targeting system is nice, it increases your ranged aiming speed and accuracy IIRC. Integrated toolset gives you some basic tools that are always with you, kinda nice to free up some storage. Sensory dulling lets you switch off pain and its associated penalties. Subdermal carbon filament is armor, like the alloy plating, but I think it has less penalties than playing. Metabolic Interchange lets you burn calories for bionic power when it's turned on, I always go for one of those.

>>544561776
how's Adrenaline Pump?

>>544562136
The same as jabbing yourself with an adrenaline shot but as a CBM

>>544563042
i see. i've never done that, do you remember the effects?

>>544563270
IIRC it kicks in when you get badly injured and boosts your strength, speed, stamina etc. You get a bunch more action ticks per turn for like 15 minutes, and then it starts to give penalties. I think you can clear it with the blood filter, too.

I'm working on a stealth action roguelike ala metal gear with cover shooter mechanics. Would anyone play this with ASCII art?

>>544555582
Wierd. I consider one of the most build varied among trads. 15 master traits and each has several ways to build around depending on what weapon you want to main.

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>>544564367
oh yeah adrenaline is good
you can clear it with blood filter, it takes a dozen or so turns to cycle out but you can pop another adrenaline in the meantime

what a combo

>>544564368
Yes? That's a silly question IMO

>>544564368
ASCII is my preferred method, yeah
As long as your UI layout isnt dogshit

>>544524230
>Iirc, if your hands are free, you can just hit the ranged attack button.
that does work, thanks. if i put my weapon away, i can hit to fire my laser

unfortunately, it doesn't cycle through enemies correctly via pageup/pagedown like firing a gun does, despite having the keybinds for it.

>>544560676
targeting system is a must-have, it lets you out-aim turrets and win basically any gunfight in CQB against arbitrary enemies
infolink is nice to have and if you give your followers two-way radios it lets you talk to them remotely which is fun
integrated toolset is so OP that I don't use it
metabolic interchange converts dead deer into power and is an excellent backup power source
I think joint servo makes you faster with no downside
which one is subdermal carbon filament again?

>limit
yeah it's entirely on how much of a freak you're willing to allow your character to become and suspend your disbelief on installing

>>544568434
Just throw a turret control unit on the its tile and set targetting mode to auto. Ez.

You can find the relevant parts from a riot control platform bots.

>>544568434
Does tab/shift+tab work maybe?

>>544567604
I feel like most players can't deal with ASCII anymore, it's antiquated and relegated to enthusiasts

https://youtu.be/-13LUfagQhY?si=7IJA2eUmFAesOR7B

>>544576268
ASCII is far more readable than a tileset at anything but very small view ranges. The symbols are optimized for instant recognizability, tilesets simply can't match that. In short, git gud.

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>be a bike gang leader
>yell at random dude driving by in a beetle
>the beetle stops
>out of it comes some sort of, juiced up cyborg death machine with a laser rifle and a katana (Adrenaline Pump CBM)
>walks right through your flames and before you can even fire your AK once he slices off your arm (Thermal Dissipation CBM)
>you try to run away, but suddenly he is right in front of you (Joint Servo CBM)
>your life flashes before your eyes as you see your henchmen unload rifle and shotgun rounds into his chest and head, to no visible effect (Sensory Dulling CBM)

>>544573070
subdermal seems to be a flat % reduction to physical damage.
What's so good about integrated toolset? you can just bring a toolbox. i guess it's the welder, can you torch doors with it? well, it's not like there's a lack of acetylene, I have so much piled up that I stopped grabbing it.

>>544575735
unfortunately, it doesn't. and i did check the keybindings with ? just to confirm.
has it ever worked? i guess everyone just goes straight for the turret control unit.

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>>544578103
>collect the zombie blood
>get a mission to go to a science lab
I got a hint from anon that the doctor quest chain will help me beat the game. Otherwise, I'd have no clue how to continue - despite breaking into two science labs (tower and new) there hasn't been any hint or difference from dda about how to progress the content.

well, now that i am all juiced up with cybernetics, there's really not that much that threatens me.
i guess the last things left would be grinding fab/tailor high enough to make good armor. i'm still using that godawful CRIT suit and a kevlar vest. It's so hot that I need to wear climate control gear or I take chest damage.

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Rate my retard fit, scale of 1 to 7
Oh, on second thought, I still have to get a rifle sling and carry around that Elephant Gun.
For FUN.

>>544578103
Integrated toolset has nominally different qualities- Pointlessly, 3 drilling (+1) and 1 wood sawing (-1) (pretty sure 2 wood sawing is just faster, not necessary for any craft)

The big draw is that it also has siphoning built in and can substitute as a welder/soldering iron or for various other heating duties that ovens and kilns and forges handle, using your bionic power reserves.

That and it's quite a bit more convenient than lugging a big fuck off toolbox, welder and hose around.

>>544581140
>It's so hot that I need to wear climate control gear or I take chest damage.
Yeah, summer was a bitch in my run too. It feels bizarre to take heat damage in fucking not-New England summer running around naked.

>>544560676
Scalpels is the best butchering/dissecting tool in the game iirc.

>>544588248
Yeah, a butchering station is a bitch to craft and then you have to install it in one spot, but they both have Butchering 50 (not bad) and Fine Cutting 5! (Makes Dissection a breeze, iirc First Aid/Survival are averaged out and added to Fine Cutting, up to 10)

No more hauling corpses back to base- Flat out I dissect most of the "CBM" zombies, because they've all got great scrap rewards too- Most notably, it's something like a 12% chance to get Superalloy out of a lot of them. So chop up those zappers and zombie soldiers and nurse/surgeon/vivisectors and kevlar/cop and scrap brutes all

>>544560676
I don't know about the Sentinel Power Storage (wut mod?) but if you've got bionic space turned off you may as well go with all of them.
The Mk IIs are nice because they have 250 storage instead of just 100, though.
Infolink doesn't do much, but I think it updates some of your stats on the info panel without having to be manually pinged (otherwise it's like the checkweather that wrist computers and stuff have), the coprocessor makes you read faster (you low int trog).

>>544589363
>Sentinel Power Storage
Read this as Sentai Power Ranger

>>544589363
Sentinel Power Storage drops from those souped up enemies in the bunker with that apophis boss i nuked and he didn't die. you can only install it once but it adds +1000 power.

>>544588898
also, check the disssembly results for those CBMs. you can get nanobots, carbon fiber, superalloy, it's worth it

>>544586894
a welder is good to bring too since you can repair your weapons.

>>544586002
what's the eye do

>>544587305
I seem to recall the crazy heat was a thing back in the Whales days, surprised DDA hasn't removed it for being part of his alternate earth setting, but it inconveniences players so I guess it's not the right kind of realism

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>>544594616
Looks cool
(opens a temple, which I haven't found and you can dig into anyways)
>>544594616
You're gonna shit, bud. Activate the Extended Toolset in the Bionics menu and it wields an activatable representation, which gives you this menu. I like it for cutting open fences and stuff.
That's how the skullgun and arm integrated grenade launcher/shotgun/fusion blasters work too- Activate them in the Bionic menu and it wields a fakeweapon.

>>544601509
if only it let me repair clothes too

>>544610152
Wooden needle.

>>544618472
Is the worst and slowest repair tool, at least get a steel one

Stop getting your ass beat so bad you need to repair your armor right away, damn

>>544621353
Have you never found yourself separated from your base/vehicle by a horde or something? And some item you were wearing got all the bad rolls and is hanging by a shred so if it takes another hit it'll risk being destroyed if you go back out withou repairing it? A needle weighs almost nothing, there's no reason not to have one on hand just in case.

gumpa

>>544625639
>have you never found yourself separated from your vehicle by a horde?
no, my vehicle is my life and if the horde starts closing in I'm just going to flee

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Nothing too special about this build, I thought windblade was pretty boring but in retrospective I think the point was to pick mubarizun and just keep moving around instead of attacking.
I wanted to do a naked build specifically to pick up the amethyst helmet in the void since it is the one void item which I have never used so far and wanted to have victories with more item variety... and it didn't spawn.
If I did this build again I would have put one less level on roil and not take master bleed and just pump that into beit nochti.

The one cool thing is that I didn't get any divine intervention, first time in a long while that happens and first time on C32. Astral dungeon boss dead + 0 divine interventions is what I call a complete win. Proof of how busted albaz of Apophis is, lots of on command healing.

>naked fat old man from the forest beats up everybody

ded

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Which shield is better?

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>I have realized that I became obsessed with this project...I came across a great amount of conflicts, hostilities

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I'm the dude who asked if discussing Elin here was fine, pls dont bully

so it's my very first run but I feel like I'm doing quite alright, I got myself some nice stats and drinking at wells gave me some neat mutations like cat's eyes (+5 perception) and lithe legs (+5 speed); I know you can get 'wrong' builds in this game and I was a little concerned at first because I rolled a random foxgirl character but she's quite strong
I also found a small shied and after identifying it, turns out its pretty fucking strong
>luck
>learning
>investing

basically I just started playing Elin as a meme but it turns out its one solid roguelike rpg adventure and I'm having lots of fun

>>544564368
Yes

>>544656528
>mifu
your days are numbered

>>544661147
w-why?

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>>544635902
>BN players when they are outside the deathmobile for 10 seconds

>>544654202
Kind of depends on what kind of damage you're gonna take right?
Are you manfighting every zombie, or do you shoot the stabby cutty slashy ones or only need to deal with things like predators that sneak up and jump on you?

>>544670442
i don't get how to tell what they're better at.
do shield ripostes use moves that could be spent on a weapon? they almost seem automatic.

>>544671552
To me, it looks like the large ballistic is better if you are getting shot at and the other is better in general.

>>544671552
Alright, couple things.
The average coverage is your block chance (it's halved for feet or something, idk) or whatever.
Shields all have "BLOCK_WHILE_WORN" behind the scenes which means they can use the "Block" technique like a normal weapon just by wearing them- They'll still work to block if you wield them, of course, but you're right: Block/Parry IS a weapon technique and normally you have to wield the weapon to use it.

You can block or dodge so many attacks per turn, yeah. How good the block and your strength and melee are affect how much the damage is reduced or whatever.

>>544675751
what i want to know is - my dude will sometimes make attacks with the shield on his own, for example after moving or between weapon attacks. what are the mechanics there? am i giving up weapon attacks to do those?

>>544635902
So you've /never/ been surprised by enemies?

Man, one time I was pushing my way up a street trying to reach a dojo, clearing mobs by pulling a few at a time. The street behind me was empty, so I could get back to my vehicle easy, right?
Then suddenly a big horde full of specials and a couple hulks and shit actually up and kool-aid-manned through a fucking wall and poured out into the street behind me and started coming for me, forcing me to flee through an alley and several buildings, and I had to hole up in a basement.
Fun!

>>544677384
ur just bad

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>using fireball and plasma beam
>find this
Praise Voaprip

>>544682716
No U

>>544642309
>Albaz Abdi of Apophis
Yeah that will destroy the game for sure. Too many free stats building up on every level completion.

I've always wondered if there is a good way to use Windblade prestige because it gives you 100 speed. I don't think you can use it with Technique to get the damage and also benefit from the speed, because it uses up your stack right away. It's like you have to pick either the damage benefit or the speed benefit, but you don't really get to use both. It's still decent but far from the best prestige you can pick.

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any good way to get into the LIXA facility or do i have to bellyflop down three floors?

>>544691303
construction? grappling hook?

>>544691887
grappling hook only lasts for one floor down, disconnected after that
i could probably construct something but i just dropped all my stuff down the shaft before dropping down naked
damage wasnt that bad and i have an IFAK full of stuff

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ask me anything about nethack

credentials:
26 ascensions total (have won with all roles and races)
did a wishless, genocideless, polyless ascension
ascended a game with my starting pet alive
ascended 3 games in a row

>>544695201
why would you play such a shit game?

>>544696204
NTA, but your opinions stinks, Nethack is cool
>>544695201
>credentials:
How does it feel to be awesome, anon?

Whats anon's opinion on soulash 1 and 2? Trying to start with the first one and I think I got a good character going, demon tank where I put 3/4 of my stats into both willpower and endurance for max defense, kinda underpoweded in term of damage but nothing can hurt me beyond the occasional high power spell.

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The game tried really, really hard to fuck me for playing melee in this run. Multiple times I spawned into a wide open room surrounded by 5-10 ranged enemies. I also had to kill the Horror Giant by walking around a pillar and using Tengri's passive slash damage on step for 200 turns.

On the upside, I killed the King of Many Colors in two attacks.

>>544696708
it feels good

>>544695201
How do you feel about Moria/*band style games?
How do they compare the *hacks?
Have you ever tried the scifi nethack and is it any good?

>>544706186
NTA but Nethack is honestly not really a roguelike, but rather its own thing. It's like an extended puzzle game where game knowledge is of upmost importance, and analyzing the current situation in a vacuum has much less value to knowing what is and isn't possible within the game.
While I wouldn't say it's wrong to talk about it here comparing a standard roguelike like Moria/*band to Nethack feels nigh impossible.

>>544706186
I have never played a band game, and never played any nethack variants. I've ascended in nethack, brogue, and dungeon crawl stone soup. I've also played many hundreds of hours in Cata DDA

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i wanna find some of these again
lost the save before i got to use it

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I've been carrying around a pouch full of grenades this entire time just to do exactly this.
...Kind of underwhelming to be quite honest. Not that these assholes are all that threatening but still. Sheesh.

>>544676815
That's sounds like a block retaliate technique or something? Not that I know for sure- I know it should prefer blocking with a weapon over your arms, but I don't know exactly how it handles retaliation attacks.

>>544687996
10/10, would rip trying to bump popcorn to save mana in Vaults

>>544689967
You could go Tengu/Tengri with... Assassin maybe, Master Charge/Electromancy, look for Lightning Gloves. It works, sure but... Windblade for speed, if you're trying to do that you could just as easily put a half dozen ranks in Stand Still and take Champion.

I think Windblade fits its niche much better in Cycle 1, where the game is "balanced for"

>>544692995
I think if you have long ropes it'll prompt you to use them?

>>544699172
Or do that, I guess.

>>544716282
>anthro ai shart background
double kek

>>544716679
I just pulled some stuff out of my shitpost folder, ye.
Doom sitting across from Conan getting called vain, some foxgirl wrestler shot and uh... The forehead of that nun that fucks a werewolf in that one video. You know the one.

>>544716282
>if you have long ropes it'll prompt you to use them
I will try to remember that for next time

>>544699172
Weirdly enough I've not been all that interested in speed builds. Maybe I should give them a try sometime.

>if you have long ropes it'll prompt you to use them
Why can't IRL ropes do this?

>>544734894
I've been thinking about an electromancy run since it repeats per skill level. Might be decent.

>>544736228
I think the only one I did was some assassin goblin, I doubt it will hold up at 32 though.

fucking can't stop playing overworld during commute

>>544586002
I'd probably go with a survivor belt instead of the webbing belt but yeah
>>544654202
the lighter one
>>544676815
what martial art are you using where you're worried about that?
>>544677384
yeah, you can't trust that adjacent streets are empty and won't pull in a bunch of zombies, which is why you kill them too

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Well I did manage to make Lizardform work....kinda. Used Pallas + Zealot to stack block, then I had a stroke of genius when I realised I don't need a shield and can 2H my axe for area attack. Lizardform's ability to counter enemies who attack you seemed like it would be negligible but turned out really useful against fast but frail enemies. In the void I found the Hoplon shield which was incredibly strong.
In the end I feel like lizardform barely did anything. Nearly everything died to regular attacks and once I got Hoplon they died before I could attack. My original plan was to use the shield that make you counter attack on block, but I never found it.

>>544668410
I'm getting the shit shocked out of me right now so yeah that's how it feels

>>544759980
congrats

>>544759980
Looks like pure suffering.

What are some bandlikes?

>>544763643
Yeah the early game was horrible; took a good amount of attempts and trying different builds. I ended up using crystalform with master freeze to kill thing early on and even then I only really survived because I found the Jade gloves which helped immensely. Arch-Lizard require either Lizard Visage or a helmet with 40+ armour, both of which are RNG to find.
Only being able to equip a helmet isn't that bad, but the fact your limited to 15 speed is horrendous. So many enemies are impossible to beat early on and each area is a coinflip to see if you're forced to fight one of them.

I've looked everywhere for a pirate version of CInco Paus and I can't find it. Does anyone have a link please anons I'm desperate

>>544773172
pony up it's like $10
I've been meaning to play it, I look forward to the Cinco Revolution

>>544546449
It has been many years since I last played infra arcana, I got some nostalgia and decided to go play it.

But after I downloaded the newest version and started playing, I noticed it is barely similar to the game I played.

What is up with that? I have no idea what the hell I am doing wrong, it seems like I do not gain exp from combat anymore? How am I supposed to level?

The new classes also seem confusing, but that is probrably because I am not used to their playstyle?

What is the current strategy to playing the game, if I am not able to just grind xp on early floors to level up a bit before combat becomes too dangerous? I usually got to level 5 before reaching floor 4...

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Well that's my 60th victory in Achra with Psychonaut. Tried qamar priest of Fawdaa and of The Worm and didn't get good results, but this one absolutely rocked it.
Albaz of Apophis gets even more ridiculous with projection since I can use Apophis' second prayer to heal from less than 50% to full instantly, get rid of all debuffs and damage enemies, potentially killing a mook and getting that prayer charge back.

>>544716282
>I think Windblade fits its niche much better in Cycle 1, where the game is "balanced for"
Several prestiges seem geared for that. Like destroyer doing 50 damage per game turn is just laughable at higher cycles.

>>544699172
Well done!
Why did you pick the amethyst helm (over other helmets) if you had all armour slots covered?

>>544734894
>>544736228
At high cycles having base speed above 70 is borderline essential to not get btfo by every enemy attacking you ten times in a row.
Windblade isn't even a good speed build since it only gives you like 100 speed, which is negligible at C32. You want master charge and stacking a lot of charge for that.

>>544759980
>In the end I feel like lizardform barely did anything
The form prestiges all seem pretty meh.

>>544774136
I'm not american. Payment processors don't work, itch io especially has no black market gift cards available unlike steam. Also, 10$ is like enough food for a whole week. Mans gotta eat.

Anyway, I found a link for Cinco Paus on cs rin in a dedicated itch.io thread if anyone was wondering.

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For a genre mainly played by autists, there aren't any roguelikes with trains in them.

>>544778068
How would that even work? Describe it to me and I will make the game for you.

>>544778591
Magic train that is bigger on the inside than on the outside. Each car is a different floor, while the train itself is the dungeon.
This idea blows, I've never had good ideas. I was just making an observation.

>>544779301
Well, other than making the dungeon look somewhat like a train cart, I see nothing that would tell it apart from a normal roguelite, other than the fact you would move to another cart instead of going down a floor.

Not sure it would make for good gameplay.

>>544779734
Like I've mentioned earlier, I was making an observation. I'm sure someone smarter than me would come up with some gimmick that would make a train fun. I'm just surprised no roguelike has any trains in them at all.

>>544778068
Cataclysm has train stations and rails, dunno if any fork ever added the actual trains though

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>>544776558
>Why did you pick the amethyst helm if you had all armour slots covered?
The empty slot bonus is nothing. Read the second effect. It activates on attack to deal 300% main hand hit damage. If you're scaling that hit value then this is the best damage item besides Glaghar for killing the King.

>the form prestiges all seem pretty meh
Most of them are glass cannons. Crowform is the best of the bunch since you can just get a global damage bonus to all effects. Anqarak and Horror can one shot the King but they nerf your defenses.

>Windblade isn't even a good speed build since it only gives you like 100 speed
Scaling speed for damage is different than scaling speed to act faster. You only need 100 speed IIRC to avoid getting double turned.

>>544779952
>I'm just surprised no roguelike has any trains in them at all.
Well, mostly because any and all aplications of the concept that I can think of would change the genre of the game away from being a roguelike.

WE COULD, in theory, make it a roguelike in the sense you have permadeath, randomized levels and the inability to save the game without exiting.

But the moment we try to make trains a thing, we move towards a tycoon game, like industry giant, or an engineering game, like factorio.

The best I could imagine was making it a roguelike version of infinity train, which would most likely not feel like a train at all. At most we could add a little cutscene of the character switching between carts when changing levels, showing the train moving through the background terrain, but that would be a flavorizer only, adding nothing to the actual gameplay.

>>544752737
I'll check the belt out inna bit I guess. I've just had it for a while, all I really need to carry is the dumb Halligan Bar- The wand is just there because it's there, I might as well toss it by now.

I cut all the guns and ammo pouches last session, kind of dragging me down when I can just katar it up all borged out.

>>544782067
>It activates on attack to deal 300% main hand hit damage.
I misread it all this time, I always thought it was "on attack per empty armour slot".

>>544777004
have you considered not living in Russia or whatever third world shithole you live in
>>544786708
yeah, I like to bring two leg ammo pouches and that's all for ammo
if I'm going to be going rambo I bring a chest rig stuffed full as well

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Neat victory also with 0 divine interventions.
I do have to say that stand still builds are pretty slow, at least this one sped up massively with the weapons from the void which finally let me clear entire rooms in one turn. Before that it was a slog of pressing 5 on the numpad over and over while the enemies slowly died without ever getting near me.
Healing on doing poison damage, doing blood damage on top of poison damage and healing on doing blood damage paired with high Will made this build just regenerate past any hope the enemy had to damage it. Could be made to work without albaz just fine.

>>544793541
Stand still is a little dull especially if you're not doing kairos skirt. It's a safe playstyle at least since it auto targets over walls.

Spooktacular roguelikes?

>>544799287
Infra Arcana

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>>544800909
those shitass flying swan things are such a pain
bats too
honestly anything that flies and is fast, plus group enemies like spiders. especially the stealth spiders

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Updated my roguelike for halloween and added lit projectiles and bonus dungeons.

>>544804084
>exorcist
darkbolt is funny as hell but it's not actually any good as a class

>>544774679
It's now all about running away and diving. You get exploration exp and item identification exp. So only kill shit if it's
>killing you
>has an item you want
>is inbetween you and the stairs

>>544778068
Ironically there's an entire subgenre of train-based roguelites.

>>544782194
>>544778068
I think you could make a train rogulike and have the train actually matter.
The key point is that trains are very rare because almost every game is fantasy. Just steam/dieselpunk roguelike would on it's own be novel.
Then the whole point of a train is moving from place to place, so adding environmental effects would be key. Like rough terrain causing stumbling, going up/down/around things making everything slide in one direction or another, tunnels with no light, etc...
Then you go further and add forces outside the train, like bandits invading the level, stations where you can exit and get on other trains, passengers and cargo being swapped, etc...

The idea would be to embrace combinatorial level generation, so everything is extremely randomized but also intuitive and controllable so it's not just noise and is instead deliberate choice(probably don't get off at the volcano station and take the next train into literal hell if you've got no fire resist).

You could even switch things around and have the player be the conductor of the train(or be able to seize control of the engine car) and effectively send the entire dungeon through various routes to modify it's contents.

>Just lost a 10 h long Soulash genie run to a random amazonian who came out of nowhere when I was in desert

God dang it

>>544812285
Uh, ok...

Seems kind of weird for a roguelike.

What exactly am I supposed to do? Just rush the stairs asap and not worry about collecting shit?

I just came up with 2 game mechanics in my sleep
Too bad they won't end up in any video game

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Holy shit, (BN) Aikido is fucking brutal.
I kind of like Niten Ichi-ryu for weebin out with a monomolecular blade and I can't tell if Taekwondo, Muay Thai, Boxing or Kickboxing supersede one another

But holy shit is Aikido nasty. "Defensive" my ass, every time I step into an enemy I fucking ragdoll and juggle combo them.

>I mean relaxing the whole body so it can react instantly without resistance, without thought.
>Do you see now ? It means becoming like clear water.

>Water can take any form; it drifts without effort one moment, then it pounds down in a torrent the very next.

A good part of it is that I'm stuffed full of dermal armor and so much quickness and speed I can blitz a handful of gun-wielding bandits in the space of two turns, but still.

>>544819120
I wish I could figure it out, man. Not that it'd click and make trying to (de/)ascend in IA fun for me, probably. But still.

>>544825458
Get the fuck outta my walls

>>544805842
spooky!

>>544819120
Basically you rush the downstairs and then camp them exploring the perimeter for loot until you get in a bad situation and flee down to the next level.

>>544826416
Seems like a very weird design choice for the game, when exactly did this new xp system get implemented?

Also, can I have a QRD on all these new classes?

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>>544826087
Poor guy blew his own brains out staring at a military operations map.
Well. If that doesn't obsolete the military pinpointer.

Anyone know which of these have plutonium generators installed? Asking for a friend. I am normal and can be trusted with the location of plutonium generators.

>>544826087
taekwondo is good
I haven't used any of the others. of the ones I've used, Escrima is the best one to start with and Barbaran Montante is the best for the endgame

>>544828154
the best place to find plutonium generators is military roadblocks, which are a random road spawn and not a designated map square
the military base is hell, don't go there
fema camps are an easy way to get a small handful of the endgame rivtech military weapons and such
I've never been to a dam
missile silos are very radioactive but I've never been
police stations are a good source of normal weapons like MP5s and such

Bros the game mechanic I thought up was so good I want to make a game around it but it won't be a roguelike

Is there a game like CDDA but modern and good?

>>544833373
Unfortunately no. No other roguelike takes the realism autism as far as CDDA does, for better or worse.

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>>544830632
Yeah, that's where I got two of em so far. And two more from shipwrecks. And one more from... What was... Oh, here. A military "outpost" in particular. Pretty easy clear, 4 searchlights and 4 light turrets, couple soldier zombies. One flamer almost torched the place. Oh, and a manhack dispenser, but I hacked that out of sight.

Great loot, power armor, hauler robots and the aforementioned plut generator.

Just found the 'ol Le Barrett in this lab, pretty kino. Shoots through glass, walls, don't matter.
But fuuuuck man, I dipped into two different labs a dozen long while back in this playthrough and was gonna "come back" later, decided to explore this access shaft on a whim and see what I found and it succccks assssss, it's just an endless series of fucking rooms isn't it? There's no rhyme or reason, I understand now why everyone is always talking about the "finale" and "raiding" them- Not because it's hard or you're cheating the system, but because it's an endless fucking maze full of jack shit, cracking these out and sucking out the filling is the only way to get through them.

This is like the third floor and there's what, two more?? Jesus. It goes on for fucking ever.

>>544837358
Two roadblocks, that is.
Man, I cleared out a FEMA camp because it was on my main bike route and I meant to go back and check it out but I figured it'd just be garbage, like the mass graves are

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>>544837358
>>544837494
so how is cata nowadays? haven't played it since 2015

is there an endgame yet?

>>544837358
Every lab has a "finale" room that has loot or something, so yeah you dive for those and ignore most of the rest. Military barracks in a lab can still have some nice stuff, though.

>>544838102
Bright Nights has a way to close the portals and seal off the universe as a win condition.

>>544838253
oh, nice

what happened to Whales?

>>544838115
True, the guns down here are sweet. 9 shell shotgun, the production railgun (I think the craftable heavy rail had 10 more base damage, but the uncrafted one aims twice as fast at ~5 range and it can take better mods, maybe), 6-shot grenade launchers, some high-power snipers and good looking full autos too.
Definitely would've made my run a few hours in. Maybe I'll try it on a second playthrough but I'm kind of doing a world tour and maxing everything out right now, so it's a little banal.

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>>544840093
Like... I don't NEED a minigun.
But maybe I DO need a minigun?

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>>544840595
I've wasted 2 and a half hours of my life, there was an elite scientist and basically this at the bottom of this lab.
It's even called "central lab"
Is this a fucking joke?

I'm... I'm gonna try to find another downstairs on floor 4, there's no way this is it

>>544838531
Whales was more or less done with Cataclysm before DDA started. He had built a big pile of janky spaghetti code that had exceeded his ability to wrangle it, and sorta gave up.

>>544847169
Oh yeah, he had announced he was doing "Cataclysm 2" where he was going to rewrite the whole thing but without the mistakes he had made the first time. Inexperienced coder mistake IMO, that sort of "rewrite it all" project almost always flames out because it's actually more work than just fixing your existing codebase, and rewriting things you already wrote is not fun like it was the first time you wrote it, so getting the project past the initial phase to where it becomes something playable and fun is even harder the second time around.

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>>544844215
Fuck man
Several dead end downstairs- About half of them lead to barracks, one (already fully read) library -later and I find this fucker.
On -9 z-level
What a fucking asspain. THIS is the finale, right? I can... Diamond coat something, with the CVD?

And what, kill a shoggoth? I've heard you can kill a shoggoth with a diamond coated weapon and get something special.

Hydrogen is easy enough to get, I might be able to cobble together an electrolysis setup here in the lab, there was 400 water in a tank a few floors back and a "testing track" with some generator carts and a car a while back.

I guess that's it. May as well have another look around. Holy shit. This is so ass, how do you just leave this map generation like this.

>>544849985
You kill a Jabberwock with a diamond-coated weapon, actually. Never done it myself, it's basically an easter egg, but it's pretty cool

>>544849985
>This is so ass, how do you just leave this map generation like this.
Oh, that shit dates back to Whales, it's an eldritch pile of spaghetti code that drives men mad apparently. DDA ripped most of it out in favor of even more boring labs with less worthwhile loot, because of course they would.
I think the BN guys have talked about plans to improve the labs, but I dunno if anybody's working on it

>>544840595
that's not realistic
do not get the minigun

>LIXA portal trigger glitched
>spawned in the middle of the forest permanently unable to open my map
rip that save i guess

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Is this enough to defeat big J? I have never got to him before, Oberon is already dead. I'm a breath dragon.

>>544840595
With a military exosuit or whatever its called, you can use that without mounting it on anything.
That or be some giga str mutant.

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PoEn^Hep
Just got the lair runes(shoals and spider), this is the furthest I've gotten so far so I have no idea what to do next. I've almost died like a dozen times in the branches and burned through most of my scrolls and potions. I don't have many spells online, but I found a manual of hexes so I've got a +8 aptitude and picked the hexer ancestor so I've been pulling things up the stairs and killing dangerous enemies one at a time.
I've also found all the evocables.

I'm currently thinking Elf then Depths, then I don't know, Abyss if I get zapped there? Vaults if I can find Discord?

>>544861291
You need more scrolls all your staves are gonna get drained
But it's been years so idk

>>544868275
Got abyssed in the elf:2 vault, somehow managed to grab the abyss rune(thank you invisibility potion, you're not useless after all!)
So I guess it's time for zot now, or should I try some other places trying to find better loot?
I currently only have resists from the hat f the alchemist and I think I'd really like more rF and Will before going into zot. ALso some fucking spells would be nice, and sInv!

is the hardstuck guy still developing? haven't seen that game in ages

>>544878074
who?

>>544878147
hardstuck, a coomer roquelike. he used to shill his game on /v/ everytime he made some progress in gamedevelopment. i don't think i've seen the game since the hack happened. i figured i would ask here, haven't seen anything about it on /d/games either

>>544878457
Don't think I've seen any post of the like in this general

>>544878457
Try checking f95 since it's porn?

>>544878705
yeah, i don't know why i didn't think of that. like calling tech support before turning it off and on again. anyway, found it, thanks

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>"Oh disciples..."
>king gets disintegrated instantly from across the map alongside the entire room
It's always funny when that happens.

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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

being a data scavenger in CDDA is pretty fun.

When was the last time anyone completed a run in Jupiter Hell?

I took a break from it for a while and came back to find I can't get anywhere near completing a run anymore. Part of it is rust but part of it seems to be an endless stream of shit that has been added without much actual thought behind it. Way too many gotcha moments that involve getting to the end of a side branch and finding out you aren't getting shit for it because of failing to complete a gimmick you need to look up on the wiki.

It has gotten so bad that the top mod on Steam is a wiki UI overlay. Not a cheat program, not new content, just a way to figure out how these retarded gimmick levels actually work. Let's compare a classic fuck you from a classic roguelike to JH today.

>nethack's medusa stone gaze instakill / burning if you enter gehennom without rFire
I would say most people who would play Nethack are familiar enough with classical literature to know how Medusa works. There is a guaranteed spawn for a reflective shield on the island. Medusa is always there too so if you do get fucked you can at least know better next round. Same for rFire and Gehennom, hell is hot so no shocker there. It's very unlikely you would even make it that far without basic resistances covered anyway so I don't know if many people have ever actually gotten fucked on that one.

>JH gimmicks
Asterius Habitat requires you to hack special bots, which is itself a feature nobody ever uses, to bring them down to the last level and unlock the loot rooms. Except there is nothing to indicate this is what you are supposed to do and you won't even know you needed to do this until you get to the bottom floor and it's too late. There are even the same type of enemies you are supposed to hack on the last floor except they don't unlock the doors. Even worse is the similar special branch from the previous episode just requires you to kill the special bots to get their keycards.

(1/2)

>>544880775
>you may retire (commit suicide) when you are ready
This works for irl too?

(2/2)
So why is this so much worse?

Because intuiting how a shitty gimmick branch works involves
>playing through it once
>getting to the end and realizing you got hosed
>playing a fresh game
>encountering the same level again
>remembering which gimmick it's supposed to be in a list of very similarly named level branches
>getting it early enough to have enough floors on the branch to actually even get a good reward
>hoping it's a simple one and not something like hacking bots (which normally costs 3 multitools, meaning no one is even going to try this since it involves walking up to an enemy spamming rockets at you to find out these particular enemies only cost 1)

It sucks because this is the same shit that turned DoomRL into a bad joke after a while. When it was just making weapons from using mods it was okayish. You can reasonably intuit most of those since they just involve using two mods and the first one is usually the best mod for that weapon type to begin with. By the time we get to "YOU ARE THE BERSERK GUTS LOL" bullshit that turned the game into a spoiler fest it was obvious the game was being tailored for a narrower audience with every iteration. It seems like we have gotten to about that point here too. I picked on Asterius Habitat because that was in my last run but you can pick from a long list of other branches that are full of the same shit. Callisto Mines? Hope you know how the poison cloud migrations work and didn't 100% brick your run having one drift into the elevator room so you pick up 30 poison stacks trying to leave. CRI Labs? Hope you know how the level gimmick that takes three paragraphs to explain on the wiki works.

I'm saying that as someone who is in the top 2% of players globally too. I can't imagine someone brand new picking the game up today and thinking it is actually fun. Anyone who wants to say this is uneducated whining is welcome to post their scoreboard.

>>544879858
Well how is it?

>>544879029
>>544879858
Sorry I meant to ask the coomer guy.
I hate frostpulse, I know how it is, no need to tell me.
Nice run tho

how the fuck do i play adom

>>544880775
gz

>>544883673
> it was obvious the game was being tailored for a narrower audience with every iteration
This is the thing I hate the most about the scene, man. inb4 "modern audience" but some of the shit is just like... God, it's great when devs play their own games and listen to the community but that's not the end all be all of game design, you know? Seeing features or balance tweaks that obviously came about because the dev has one particular fixation or listens to a subset of (frankly, overinvested cringe weirdos) really dedicated players pushing the absolute envelope of gameplay

>>544825458
Post it, if it is any good I will use it on my upcoming project.
>>544832904
Ok, let us hear it.

>>544886161
By uninstalling and playing something fun instead

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Here is a pretty good example of what I was talking about with JH.

This is an area you get to by
>doing a particular branch
>getting the level gimmicks completed
>touching the pillars at the end of it in the correct order, with an out of sequence move disqualifying further progress
>entering this zone with the map posted with a bunch of run destroying penalties
>if you don't have that map it is 100% not worth doing at all
Is it a special branch? Yes. Would it be at all accessible to someone who isn't looking up spoilers? FUCK NO it wouldn't and there is no way to pretend otherwise. You would have to accidentally bump into a pillar to make it glow and then correctly guess the next one four more times without making an error to even access this content. You get to Purgatory. Then what? Without spoilered knowledge you really just ruin your run trying to find shit in there without getting anything worthwhile. Actually figuring this thing out and mapping it to produce useful results would be such a timesink that I don't picture anyone but the most autistic nolifer figuring it out.

So who the fuck is this designed for? Is it designed for someone who buys the game and plays it without using a guide? I got half a dozen wins with a couple on Hard without ever looking at anything outside of the game itself before this shift in design happened. Now it is essentially mandatory to use a guide - not only to get to bizarrely difficult to access content but because the game itself is now designed with the expectation that you have accessed that content. I use NetHack as the comparison because it has a similar reputation for spoilers but this is next level. Imagine if you had to figure out how to complete Sokoban to get your Quest artifact. Or if Fort Ludious sealed off the wand of wishing if you open the drawbridge the wrong way.

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Still waiting for One Way Heroics 2

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Had chicken tenders at burger king, it's mindblowing better than that niggerslop KFC. The service was insanely fast as well. God bless America. Nuke Chyna and Ruskies.

>>544899619
That's so cool, anon! What roguelikes do you like?

>>544899726
KKKataKKKly$$m DarKKK Day$$ Ahead by KKKevin

>>544776558
The form prestiges, like the visages are incredibly fucking awful.
Except crow. Crow is retarded.

>>544908964
Crow is literally a shitty version of itself, somehow.
"Hey so you like standing still, stacking buffs and dealing damage? KILL YOURSELF"

Fuck it's so awful I'm gonna try and do a Crowform build real quick instead of prog POE

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>>544913920
Phew, online by the 5th rank.
Dunno if Humbaba/Kozmar/1-point-death-wonder is as good as I think it might be, but it's worth a shot, I guess. Push my speed to the next breakpoint and see if I want more Willpower or can start huffing Vigor once I see how the damage is.

>>544917495
Ugh fuck, this is why I hate Crowform, now I remember.
I'm a retard and I played through 90% of the levels wearing the astral>lightning redeal pants before realizing I wasn't doing shit with crowform.
You take off those pants and your build instantly gets weaker despite that you're actually using your prestige.

Crowform wants you to trigger meditate and stand still a lot... But the % damage bonus is separate from all the calcs and only affects the base damage, like willpower is.
At least willpower scales your chance to shrug off stacks and your healing done, too.
Crowform is somehow asking you to get a bunch of meditate stacks or stand still and ALSO do big base hits. But standstill tends more towards scaling lots of little hits and meditate with % damage is a nonbo. I do ten 25-damage-hits and crowform might give me 20 more damage on each, where as putting on these redeal pants doubles the number of hits I get, which means I get twice as much damage (meditate being 90% or more of the damage) instead of 2% more.

I'm gonna try and beat the KOMC naked and birdlike, but it's not really a crowform build- If I do win it'll probably be because I stacked enough Scorch to pulp him and got lucky with removal.

What the fuck ARE you supposed to do for Crowform? Go all in on scaling something like Lightning Staff, maybe, to give it a big hit to scale? Wear the funny purple hat that gives meditate on stand-still, instead of Crow Visage hat?

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>>544922763
Captcha: I need her holding it while it gets hard in her hand

>>544882204
>nethack's medusa stone gaze instakill
Don't forget that there are rumors/oracle consultations that mention her, and a bunch of statues in the rooms around her lair to give you plenty of warning, too. It's like a textbook example of how to treat an instadeath enemy in games.

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>>544922763
Yeah, not good not great.
Went wrong somewhere- A quick rank in Asi Malak towards the end, because I remembered that helps with hitspam.
Could've held the Staff of Chaos instead of the Asclepa at the end but I don't think it would buff my damage that much- Hugely suffering from having no way to approach the KOMC

Maybe if I saved the last skill slot for picking up Astrothunting after killing all the adds?
Interesting idea, not gonna replay the run just to try tho

Has anybody played with the "Really Dark Skies" mod for Bright Nights? Not sure I want to invest in another run right now, but it sounds cool, and a much harder BN might be worth a try.

>>544882204
You can streak JH on any difficulty without knowing any of the level gimmicks. They just give you more control if you want to force a certain less popular build. People streak I! difficulty.

>>544883673
You do realize this is a bonus world that you don't fucking need for anything? Even getting the guaranteed artifacts will cost you more life than it is worth. It's an easter egg. For people that spend 1k+ hours on the game. Why does it make you mad that it exists? Just ignore it!

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weird how qud is said to be more of a rpg than rl, when it's actually just a half-baked sandbox. there's about zero possibilities to roleplay besides larping with builds, and that's about as deep rp as fucking doom.

gug

>>544950834
That's a cool lesser-known Lovecraft monster BTW

>>544927526
i played it years ago. it wasn't especially memorable.

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>>544938571
>You can streak JH on any difficulty without knowing any of the level gimmicks.
Do you? Like you are saying that you, personally, without using the wiki or anything, are sitting on a streak of wins?

.005% of players streaking wins on the hidden difficulty level, which in of itself requires the above described gay bullshit to even access, is not at all a good metric to judge by. In fact that is exactly what I described as the issue the game has now - it's being increasingly tailored to a niche audience to the detriment of actually being fun to play. I am pretty surprised the devs made this mistake again after seeing the crybaby faggot bullshit that spawned from the super secret Berserk references getting spoilered on the official forums for DoomRL.

Probably the biggest tell on how shit this has become is the % of players who have completed Normal going down since the last time I checked. It was over 10% previously and now has dropped to under 8%. It's not hard to see that the majority of the people who completed the game did so during earlier versions and very few, if any, people who have bought it in the last two years have completed it at all. I came into the newest revision with a dozen wins and find it frustratingly gay, I can't imagine someone actually new playing the game as it is now and finding it at all enjoyable.

>>544923873
Way better than this instakill that exclusively fucks over melee characters. Without damage mitigation that was a hit for more than 90 health. Was it a super laser? A giant AoE blast? Nah it was the final boss changing phases using the same animation as it did in previous versions where this did not happen. The only way to know it does that is to be next to it when it happens or look up the boss fight on the wiki before you get there.

>>544941945
It's an rpg not an rpg, anon.
You know the difference. Don't wake up the fursona roguelikte viewtuber tho, please.

It's the difference between loading up The Legend of Zelda vs doing a 2hu run.

>>544837358
>shipwrecks
yes, right, those are the other guaranteed generator spawn
>>544837358
the edges can have libraries and military barracks special rooms which are both really good and worth looting
you'll know them when you see them
there's also mutagen lockers and CBM lockers scattered around, and it's the best source of ammonia and bleach in the game I think

>>544837494
>just be garbage, like the mass graves are
there's usually one or two tiles of high end military loot like the rivtech weapons, but it's in the guard shack near the entrance I think
they're not worthless to clear but I forget where the loot is
I think the access shaft lab is the finale, it has the "win the game" portal in it somewhere
I don't know what it looks like
>>544849985
oh nice the CVD lab finale, that's important if you want to become king shitfuck murderfucker of stabby mountain and achieve optimal melee damage

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>>544951395
>gug
It was a paw, fully two feet and a half across, and equipped with formidable talons. After it came another paw, and after that a great black-furred arm to which both of the paws were attached by short forearms. Then two pink eyes shone, and the head of the awakened gug sentry, large as a barrel, wabbled into view. The eyes jutted two inches from each side, shaded by bony protuberances overgrown with coarse hairs. But the head was chiefly terrible because of the mouth. That mouth had great yellow fangs and ran from the top to the bottom of the head, opening vertically instead of horizontally.

>>544964171
I'm trying to figure out what to CVD even. Nodachi or Katana, I guess.
Since I have the Niten Ichi-Ryu, I guess Nodachi for those BIG hits.

>>544965479
Diamond Combat Chainsaw can hit hard enough that enemies hit the ground pulped if they even leave a corpse in the first place

>>544965479
it's not like hydrogen is rare, you can just CVD all of your weapons
I keep a diamond combat knife on me at all times because that doesn't cost anything and it's useful for if I lose my weapon somehow (eskrima is the best martial art for this in my rudimentary testing) for example
but it's just a flat damage bonus, it'll make whatever weapon you put it on better with no downsides. the only math you need to do is weapons with less volume consume less hydrogen and charcoal to coat, so you could maybe coat both a broadsword and a combat knife for the cost of a longsword for example (I haven't checked the math but the principle is true)

>>544961934
>It's an rpg not an rpg, anon.
most coherent funny-youtube-man hater

PoEn^Hep(Hexer) I got three runes and have cleared vault 4, thinking of doing crypt and then coming back for vault5 if I can find the right tools to do it(I accidentally went down into vault5 and now the stairs are packed)
Is this a good idea or should I just avoid the danger and go to Zot while I still can?
I've got every resist at basically max except for rf/rc which are only at ++, but I can swap out a ring of fire/ice to get +++ in one of them at a time.
I've got zero blinking but shitloads of teleports, heal wounds, haste, invis, and digging.
All I've got for a weapon is a +11 rapier, I'm basically incapable of killing anything that's not hexed.

>>544966202
I keep meaning to try out the combat chainsaw/murdersaw/twin-saws
It's not like I'm hurting for materials.
Will report back (once I finish testing the effect of windows and doors on drag)

>>544966853
Wait, is it flat or percent based?
Like is diamond coating just +10 cutting damage or is it like +20% base cutting damage (or like +5/+10%)?

>>544969776
>blatant refusal to understand that words can have more than one discrete, universal meaning or use-case
Literal tard strength tier autism, refusing to let things not have simplistic rules without shitting your pants

>>544972173
The way to fight through Vault is to have high WP, imo anon
I don't know how to play the game though
Without blink it sounds scary, you said you've been stair dancing a lot so I don't know how you'd manfight. Some anon did a writeup about how you should play an Ench, iirc it was "transition out of save or suck Hexes into a blaster or tabber by mid-endgame" (tho I've forgotten the finer points)

You COULD of course buff pot before taking the downstairs and try to immediately tele and then pick them off quiet and funneled like, if you REALLY want to click through vaults. Dunno what you have for undead/demons moving forward though- I've never fought in Zot either, I always rip trying to push past 3-rune 4noraisin.

>>544973140
>talking like a retard makes me cool
>you noticing it makes you autistic
ok

>>544973724
>undead/demons
Jack shit. I actually had to run up the stairs because of a lich, none of my spells could do anything to him so all I could do was get him alone and just tab him to death. I've got a +10 tower shield and 16 fighting/shortblade/dodge/shield so it wasn't that big a deal and I could just unravel all his summons as he made them, plus as a ghost his spells literally can't do anything to me. One on one it's no big deal, but if I get surrounded by lots of hex immune enemies lie that(which is inevitable since everyone else gets fodderized) I'm in serious trouble.
I've got Will+++++ and stealth++++++, so I'm doing pretty decent, and once again it's so fucking amazing to be a ghost and not give a shit about torment, poison or malmutate.

roguelikes with day time saving?

dead

>>544990587
Press Q

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I love exploiting.
Build is viable even w/o kairos+crow, just stack wp, the "if you deal x, redo as y" weapo, as many damage sources as you can (druid staff, necrokinesis, etc...) and skirt and hope, you can rng yourself into triple or even better thanks to imp racial.

>>544879858
Uncreating the king of many colors before you even realize wtf is happening is the funniest shit.

>>544924134
>>544922996
Whoa. Your build is dogshit mate, you do not grasp the power of the hee hoo funni crow.
I've already dumpstered the game in the pussy with night crow, but gimme a sec and I'll do it again just for ya.

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>>544997560
Behold, The build that makes og void daddy look like garbage. Hardest part is getting the prestige and using a hat that isn't fugly, as usual, you need a way to kill your own summons which is the only item you actually NEED.

In general seems neither of you knows how night crow works, it triggers on KILL not on enemy kill, on KILL. By spamming summons you create meditate and self damage triggers on enters, which triggers crow, which triggers more self damage, which triggers Koszmar again, basically turning every summon into 6 Koszmar triggers, if you then kill the summons on enter you turn every summon into even more triggers which in turn kills more things which in turn means more triggers. Sure the damage instances aren't HUGE but there is too many of them which in turn means that meditate is added more times, etc...

You need to stop thinking that big number=the best, the game is bad at calculating how well you did when you work off spamming a billion damage instances instead of a single big instance.

Also the only dangerous monster vs this build is the yellow queen and ONLY if you are doing a naked/no gear run (ie only a hat that does nothing for you).

Yu is the strongest god in this game btw, he has zero downsides.
>Inb4 speed
Meaningless, if you build correct your enemies don't get a turn (singular).

>>545004705
You know sometimes I do want to actually play the game.

>>544844215
there's typically been about 12 different finale rooms in every lab I've been in
>>544972841
combat chainsaw is bad but funny
it might be good if you don't have any martial arts at all?
>>544972987
it's either percent based or hardcoded because it's very balanced in my experience, everything that was good before is good afterwards
I think the japanese weapons might be a better choice than the euro weapons because they have a better cut/bash split but the euro weapons have better martial arts so it balances out I feel
>>544977491
don't liches have dispel undead, that'll kill you really quick
unless you're not talking about Crawl for whatever reason. remember when this general used to be DC:SS general? good times
>>545010170
fault

>>544959012
I don't read the wiki at all, I go by on what's on the Discord. Streaking is easy below N!, but there are people on Discord that do it on every difficulty.

The % of people beating normal dropped because keys for the game were available in every possible fucking bundle. The fact it dropped by 2% only is actually a counterpoint to your argument. Judging by the recent steam reviews, and Discord activity, you're an outlier in terms of enjoyment too. Really, you don't have to read the wiki, you don't have to play the game on the highest difficulty, you don't have to find every possible secret or optimize the shit out of fun. You're the type of guy that just the existance of something makes him miserable. Go out and touch grass.

The melee instakill BTW happens if the place to push the player away from the boss is blocked and it was there since the boss was added in 1.0.

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Gave night-crow a try since some anons here said it was nasty.
I didn't find it too bad, though funnily enough the crow visage didn't spawn (my fucking luck).
It was ok but I rolled the worst king and the battle did get pretty close since
>no single target damage
Definitely could have made it better but for a first attempt at the prestige a victory is pretty good.

>>545004705
Interesting. I will admit I just don't like killing my own minions so I tend to pick up the skills that make it so that I don't damage my boys.

>Yu is the strongest god in this game btw, he has zero downsides.
>>Inb4 speed
>Meaningless, if you build correct your enemies don't get a turn (singular).
This only works for some prestiges, namely those that work off stand still, game turn, on kill and/or on summon. Pretty bad for on step or on attack effects and also for the prestiges that give you extra speed like frenzied one.
Make powerless anroth of Yu work if you can.

>t. Apophis supremacist

>>544774679
Fucking hell people, how did IA degrade into this shit?

I really tried enjoying the game with this new xp system, but I simply cannot.

It just does not feel like a roguelike at all, and not in a good way!

For fucks sake, the combat was most of the fun, why make it so that we must avoid it at all costs?

>Tl/DR the new xp system for IA is garbage, could anyone tell me what was the last version that had the old xp system so I can go play that instead of this rotting garbage?

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That was a fun run.

>>544941945
so far, for me, Elin and Stoneshard are the only roguelike adjacent titles that can offer a real RPG experience
in these other games, its a RPG in the way the Witcher 3 is an rpg, if you get my meaning

Any anon itt who can tell me how to use necromancer in soulash 1? I just dont get how you're supposed yo use it? its so underwhelming in early game and the zombies are utter dogshit, and I cant wrap my head around how its supposed to be made viable. Every of its spells seem to scale off weapon force, but pure melee is utter shit as a necro, but range spells also suck because your zombies always get into line of sight, like what is even the point? I cant fathom any sort of viable synergy with it. Also it doesnt help that the zombies make one of the most basic part of gameplay, aka resting for health, thrice as long just because the freaking zombies moving all over the place lenghten the time between ticks.

Like I want to enjoy the class, but I want even tell how its supposed to be used. Even mass spam of zombies aint worth shit because they're so weak they fold against anything stronger than a freaking goat and god forbid you face an enemy with holy damage because then you loose your entire army to one dude.

>>545014656
>i don't read the wiki, i just follow information from people who do
Do you actually think that is a convincing counterpoint to the general argument that I made?

You gave up even defending the game's merits to say people who dislike the direction it has gone are meanbad because you know what I am saying is fundamentally true. The only defense you can even make at all is that a small group of players can do whatever they want and still win.

>>545039305
You haven't countered any argument I made. You're like literally the first person I see that dislikes the direction the game took in terms of branch mechanics, while it was generally praised, with maybe one or two arguing that there should be an ingame wiki (branch mechanics are actually mentioned and spoiled in the ingame flavor e-mails that noone reads).

So maybe the game is just too complex for you and you liked it more when it was dumbed down? Try something simpler then and let others who like it the way it is enjoy it? Pretend they don't exist and enjoy the game as is?

>>545040239
NTA, feels like you're proving his point

>>544941945
>weird how qud is said to be more of a rpg than rl
If by RPG you mean a game in which your mook levels up and gets stronger then most (all?) roguelikes are RPGs too.
Which makes sense. Roguelikes are actually the game genre closest to how playing a TTRPG feels like. Many TTRPG players point out that the TTRPG experience is fundamentally different from a typical videogame RPG, but that's because they don't know roguelikes are a thing.

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Also oonga boonga teleporting ape
It annoys me that I had to do a paragon build that didn't use the whole point of paragon (annointing summons) but summons suck ass so bad in this game holy shit. It's not that you can't beat the game through them but it's just so painfully slow if you wait for your summons to kill the enemies.
On high cycles summons are only worth it for effects that buff you on summon or ally death effects, not for the summoned mook itself.

The idea behind paragon of
>I'll summon a guy (the prestige is probably meant to be paired with the gala class) and then buff him and make him a super mook and he'll clear the room for me!
That shite doesn't work at all on C32. At best it is theoretically possible but still extremely slow and I can't be bothered with that when any other build clears rooms in a fraction of the IRL time.

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>>545040239
You haven't really made any arguments at all, you just keep saying "everyone likes it you suck". You're telling someone who is objectively better at JH than 90%+ of the playerbase that they suck at it. The fact that I have more than a dozen wins is the whole basis for my point against what JH has turned into. I was the first person in this thread to even post a win when the game was new and my after action reports directly lead to changes to game balance during the early phases of development.

If the game has turned into a ball dragging experience for me what the fuck do you think a new player is going to think walking in on it's current state?

The reason you never hear anyone say they dislike things about it here is because I'm the only fucking person who even still makes it a subject of discussion. If you're wondering why people aren't shit talking it on an official Discord channel.. Well, look in the mirror and think for a second. Look at how you reacted to legitimate and tempered criticism of the game and how quickly you started talking like a stupid cunt. You think anyone is going to bother having a meaningful discussion there if you are a representation of how that community reacts?

Also you never posted a scoreboard. If you are over here running long win streaks show them. I'm not pretending to be a player that is doing that but telling me that I don't know how to play is complete nonsense. This is with less than 150 hours played since release too, so I would say I am a pretty good representation of a normal player.

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Another oonga boonga teleporting ape
This is a good concept for getting standstill prestiges quickly.

Though you do need beith nocht and astrohunting to make it work it is limited to prestiges that are partially martial, partially astral or have different requirements.

>>544972987
It is a % base and it applies to piercing damage as well even though you cannot diamond coat weapons that don't deal cutting damage. I was going to open up the debug menu to verify the numbers but you can't spawn diamond coated weapons and it's too much of a hassle to actually make one for testing.

The % base is what makes big weapons really get juiced up. Besides the No-Dachi and Combat Chainsaw, the Halberd is almost boring with how strong diamond coating makes it. Small and fast weapons still benefit but Diamond Combat Chainsaw with a good strength score is ripping for 200+ damage a swing. In terms of IRL time spent to dead enemies you can't beat it

>>544997560
I fucking LOVE Imp redeal builds, shit makes my dick so hard
>>545004705
I just wanted to do it without Star Cult and minion blasting bro, I swear to god- The freeze bracers were attractive but ruin the no-armor-conduct and... I had already mentally ruled out starcult.

I get tired of posting "killed all my own minions again" builds all the time.

>>545014656
>The game is approachable by casuals- It's only if you dig deeper that it's developed just for the special niche interest gamers

So you agree with him? lol
It's not some secret that the dev has a long lying undercurrent of resentment for having to dumb down their game and really want to be developing some super intricate borderline simulationist game and the way all the development and new content for the game (and now DoomRL 2/JHC) is focused on improving that area of the game exclusively.

>>545025102
Never, anon, it's always had this XP system, since it released over a decade ago

>>545040239
>(branch mechanics are actually mentioned and spoiled in the ingame flavor e-mails that noone reads)
Ok, so you're the dev, right? Please namefag, there's no way anyone else wouldn't realize how utterly oblique those "hints" are and how torturous it is to tediously read the donut steel OC level messages.
Actually reading those those the first dozen times made me feel like a fuckin mega autist and the only thing I was left with was a sense of confusion at how the fuck I was MEANT to translate inane rambling about valves to actionable information

>So maybe the game is just too complex for you and you liked it more when it was dumbed down? Try something simpler then and let others who like it the way it is enjoy it?
>>545053440
Caught red handed, lmao

>>545051391
you can, it's one of the flags
go to spawn your weapon, press 'F' and then type DIAMOND

>>545051391
Lab start scenario will let you dump yourself in a CVD room btw
But thanks bud.

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>>545054746
Well that was easier than I thought. Looking at the 24 point increase, it's somewhere around 30% increased cutting damage? I spawned a couple other weapons with lower damage profiles and they look to be in the same ballpark.

What's your opinion on the "Last Generation" branch of dark days ahead? I've been doing a run and I enjoy the little difficulty spike.

>>545053959
Scoreboard anon

I know for a fact the dev lurks here because specific things I mentioned in after action reports with my wins were adjusted. I don't think the playerbase is that large and I've never seen anyone else here posting their wins at all.

If Kornel is actually the person I am arguing with I am going to laugh my ass off. The posting style actually lines up too. It would also explain why he didn't touch what I said about his gayboy clique getting worked into a malding seethe whenever people spoilered how to access the super secret Berserk content in DoomRL. The shitty drama that the official forums had and the changes made to DoomRL stemming from it are the exact thing I didn't want to see happen with JH. No shit you don't hear people criticize your game if you encourage a handful of no lifers to dogpile anyone who says they don't like something.

>>545056243
are the electric and gasoline combat chainsaws identical in stats

Kornell if you're really here I'll get you that $20 I owe you as soon as I get a job and pay my taxes, I know I'm like a decade late but I just remembered about it

>Speed stacking dodge build in Achra
>Face the king who inflicts freeze and entangle
>Get hit once and immediately lose all of my speed and dodge to hundreds of negative stacks
>Get speed blitzed immediately after with no chance to react
I know the King sometimes counters your build but I don't think I've ever been hard countered like this before.

>>545058506
Yes. Electric has a mild advantage in that it dosen't make idling noise but honestly who fucking cares when you are at that point of the game anyway

I haven't played roguelikes in years and randomly got the urge to play DCSS, but I tried it and don't really like it anymore (the anti "running away" shit feels ass). What are people playing nowadays besides DDA?

>>545062847
Elin, Infra Arcana

>>545053440
>Never, anon, it's always had this XP system, since it released over a decade ago
Pretty sure you are a faggot.

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>>545061651
The king tests how much single target damage you can do per action.
The ice king is a particular bitch but going for endurance, trying to deal a little bit of damage over many turns while not getting killed, is typically a very poor strat against the king. If you can't get rid of him in 3-4 actions then that build's design wasn't working well.

>>545062847
BN, PoA, CoQ.

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Is there a non-reddit list of these commands somewhere? Feel like he's trying to make trojans into Elbereth.

More specifically what's the difference between skim and botnet?

>>545051810
Yeah, sadly crow is sorta cooked unless you do the "I killed all my minions again" and by "cooked" I mean "literally garbage worse than not having a prestige".

>>545010170
Masturbating to numbers and not pressing buttons is how I play achra, I want to optimize the bloat out of my gameplay loop.
DCSS main dev here, btw.

>>545017594
Sorry I don't play shit builds :) Yu is the strongest because it makes the bullshit I like to play better.

>>545069305
game ?

>>545038084
No idea, I don't think anyone else plays Soulash here.
I tried it but it is too hard for my peanut brain and necromancy was ass as you said.

>>545070148
cogmind. it has an unadvertised hacking minigame. I think it's revealed through lore.

>>545041292
There is one (1) build I've had that had the summons actually attacking, it took over an hour of sitting there and waiting irl, even trying more exploity shit like self buffing yourself and then spreading it out to summons leads me to ask the question
>If I can buff myself this much, why not just tab?

>>545070962
>cogmind
I remember a lot of anons complaining about it's stealth or something along those lines. Is that an issue or were they fuming over nothing?

>>545071507
I don't know what the issue with stealth is. Seems easy enough to avoid conflict.

>>545056893
An anon a couple threads ago replied to you about that and said he was the dev, he'd been caught. Big if true. I hate to give him a hostile reception- Not like /rlg is the beating heart of the roguelitke Steam sales anyways, right? -but this shit is fucking... Yeah. Exactly. Blatant bullshit cliques are eternal, it's just easier to see in real time in the age of Discord than it was buried in the third cookiecutter subforum of a half-dead publisher website.

I wouldn't say I dislike the game, even. Just that it's very clear the majority of development (and the "sequel") aren't made "for me" and it's pretty obvious.

>>545056243
Nice nice nice nice.

>>545070980
Undead doomstack is pretty ok for ally attack builds. The... Beastmaster/Uspori are surprisingly ok.
Gliva (and various ally attacked retorts) is fun for a change from nuking your own minions, kind of like the mushroom bullshit.
Oozes work alright, kind of fun, need a repray god pretty bad.
Jade Soldiers/Rat Peltast spam with the various ally buffs can work ok- I usually can make Arboromancy/Gisa spam work too, but Vineform is harder for me.
Oh, ah... Mass Mind/Psychomorph with something like Fire Gloves or Mirage Shield (from void) is nice too.

Uhhh... Prisma works, but it's tedious and needs a BIG plan for KOMC, can't build around it too hard.
I'm gonna see how Formus feels, haven't done it since low cycle

Wait, this was about Paragon, right?

>>545062847
there's a few forks of DCSS floating around as well

>>545073650
it's only sensible to be hostile to Polish people like Kornel

>>545066938
>trying to deal a little bit of damage over many turns while not getting killed, is typically a very poor strat against the king. If you can't get rid of him in 3-4 actions then that build's design wasn't working well.
I actually got 0 (zero) actions against him. I spawned in a corner, killed the arbiters that teleported to me, then the king stepped and attacked from a range + I got teleported. Had I actually attacked it may have been different, but it's whatever

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I just got TOME, what am I in for?

>>545069305
Uh? A new trojan? Is it tied to a faction or where did you learn it?

>>545071507
It's just that the way Cogmind plays it heavily encourages you to avoid combat which some people don't like

can i play dcss offline?

>>545079959
never mind
i should have downloaded instead of looking at "play online!"

>>545077889
Sexy big elf boobjobs.
Or a tedious fucking time- It's an acquired taste. Not... Hard. Just a half-dozen things to learn about.
Pop open your stat page and mouse over a bunch of stuff, try right clicking one of your skills, change all the options around to set the compares and tooltips how you like, when you get status effects mouseover them to learn what a stun is and how it's different from a daze or confused.

>>545078076
I don't know. saw some guy streaming cogmind use it over and over. there was a new update for something called unchained this month. I know almost nothing about the factions. I accidentally aligned with warlord at some point. I went to zion. I think I fought warlord once.

>>545061651
On my pure life run I got the evasion on poison damage robe. With Paragon prestige I would pass on hundreds of stacks every time it ticked up, giving each plant ally 50000+ evasion to facetank KoMC

>>544977491
>>544972173
Died in zot, fuckin clowns teleported me into the balls, then tele scrolls teleported me INTO the vault three times, then apportation failed several times until I got blinked back out of the room.
I think I probably could have handled everything if it wasn't for the clowns and random teleports. In retrospect I should have just dug into a wall.
Also I had nothing for the orb guardians, my one and only offensive spell was rimeblight.

>>545069305
https://noemica.github.io/cog-minder/about
Botnet is for boosting hacking chances on other machines. 6% bonus for the first one and every extra one is halved.
Skim gives you bits of intel like derelict logs once you have five skims running on terminals. Stay on the map until it tells you the skim is finished. If the terminal gets traced the skim is cancelled.

>>545076289
Is there a good breakdown of the differences between forks? I heard of a few but the only one I tried was kimchi crawl.

>>545088547
maybe roguebasin has one, I remember finding one

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>Build entirely designed to go slice the shit out of the KoMC
>He dies off screen before I can ever attack him
No way this is so strong that I can beat the king with ~70 points wasted in Herja. Master Charge was also a waste

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goodnight chat

>>545080990
The metaplot lore-based-progression is as bad as Jupiter Hell, desu. On the one hand, there's more Cogmind to go around and play with without dealing with the secret bullshit spoiler mechanics.

On the other hand, you get more direct power and progression ability in Cogmind.

Good morning chat.
Coudn't sleep.
I was gonna finish stacking Plutonium generators on my gyrocopter now that I've got a pair of non-homemade rotors, a super electric motor and finished with testing the air drag (at least as much as I'm gonna, I think I could still do some more with doors on the sides but I don't know if I want to go to a 5x10 instead of just a 3 wide without doors/quarterpanels on the sides.

(Still not sure if roofs matter)

But instead I'm gonna play POE, which is a roguelike now.

>>545108591
>now
ARPG's were always roguelikes. Action roguelikes.

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me before I ragulike

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That was grindy.

>>544695201
What are your top 3 roguelikes that aren't nethack branches

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I like the way Gust goes pshpshpsh when you stack it.
Dunno about this one

>>545127669
inb4 DCSS counts as a Nethack branch

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>>545129661
Obviously Gust and Meditate overlapping on allies feels pretty good (and that's mostly how I took down the Horror Giant, Flower and KOMC), but it can feel overshadowed at times by the rest of the "stand still and pray real fast" package.
A lot of popcorn gets eaten up by Worm 2, Aurora Chant, Crystalform. Still get to see the gusts go off pretty often.
I held at least 4 glory in hand the whole run to resummon the Grika if I had to, but I never really did. At least 30 willpower to full heal the Tugar every prayer, at least 11 Dexterity to get to 34 speed (and maintain at least 3:1 turn parity). I think Berserk actually helped quite a bit with the extra speed it piles on. 60 Willpower ensured the Tugar lived through everything that hit it- I think it went as low as 20% on the last fight against the KOMC, tanking 3 Arbiters, which could've gone south.
I wasn't hit often but when I was I managed to dodge and proc Mirror Image half the time and weather it with armor the other. Of the 3-4 (non boss) enemies with +cycle on accuracy AND damage, only 2-3 of them have good range (from 3-5) and none of them have good speed (10-15) since non-bosses only get 2 +cycle stats. The KOMC and Yellow Queen are fucking cunts, of course and if I'd spawned in vision of the KOMC he might've cleaned my DIs out before I got enough prayers out to freeze him/raise my armor. Probably not though- I should've let my 1 stack up heading into the fight for extra protection though, the damage on step wasn't useful.

Saafa for Meditate output with Paragon and Brazen Eye exponentializes Repulsion- Variously I wore the Cosmic Trabea, Star Staff, Intabah and Mind Diamond to good effect. I tried Zengja but Jade Discplate works fine and I didn't like giving up Berserk- Nevermind the anti-synergy between Dodge and Berserk, Brazen Eye is insane for Repulsion growth.

Not bad. I can't say that the same package with Kozmar/Ihra/Imp or something and a better Class/Prestige wouldn't do just as well

>>544576995
In some games like Cataclysm tiles give more information than ascii, on ascii you can't see at glance which corpses can resurrect. Tiles puts small exclamation mark over them while on ascii you have to 'v'iew items around and filter for corpses. Another nice qol is seeing what NPCs are wearing and wielding, on ascii you need to haul your look cursor over to see whether random robber is wielding an assault rifle or a baseball bat. That said I still play on ascii but I wish there was a way to combine things a bit. That exclamation mark should be possible, ADOM has small HP bars above monster letters.

/rlg/'s meta reflect the ultimate development of roguelikes, either it's hyper realism autism of dda or the hyper tab autism of achra

>>545108591
>plutonium generators on the gyrocopter
they don't make enough power to make that worthwhile
you can dismantle one for a minireactor which WILL produce enough power but will eat up your plutonium
better to just go with diesel or solar

>>545131596
tried to get into this game and it just feels so uhhh skinner box-ish.

>>545132763
My favorite roguelike is Dungeons of Dredmor followed by Rogue Fable

>>545151791
Would love to find a roguelike with as much personality as dungeons of dredmor that uses ascii but has a soundtrack. Moonring isn't a roguelike but something like that but with a lot less glitches hopefully.

>>545132728
>filter for corpses
you can add corpse to your '+' filter and they'll just be on top always
you can then filter by "-pulped"
>>545151935
Dredmor is the one that only has cardinal movement and no diagonals, right

>>545152360
yeah

>>545152549
cool

Is there any other lovecraftian roguelikes, other than IA? I just cannot get over the shit tier exp system of infraarcana.

>>545132763
DDA sucks, BN is way more fun

>>545151557
I enjoy figuring out the mechanics but if that's too easy for you- like pulling a lever -then I guess it would be, sure.

>>545163112
try rogue legends dark realms
(if you can handle ascii like a real man, IA tile baby, hehe)

it's a rogue bump

>>545140705
But anon what if I want to drive at night? Storage battery are so hevvy

You think this gen would be more popular if we posted nearly exposed pussies and ass and comically large flopper tits instead of little pixel letters and obscure numbers built from byzantine mechanics?
Also, why are hookers so expensive? What the fuck?

>>545190796
yeah, electric helicopter seems like a strange choice to me
the prebuilt one that can occasionally spawn on military helipads and the like uses a minireactor

>>544882192
you mean like picking up everything in sight with data on it and combing through all of it?
i like doing that and having a laptop loaded with recipes and book
you can find some sweet recipes too

>>545216331
I used to scan every book on to my phone but still keep a hard copy in the battle bus
Stopped because every time I wanted to read a book in the bus, it would automatically use my phone and drain my battery instead of just reading the book that was right next to me
Also retarded that reading a book off your phone or laptop can't be done AT NIGHT

>>545218329
>Also retarded that reading a book off your phone or laptop can't be done AT NIGHT
It can, you just need to turn on the laptop's backlight

to be honest my Kindle lasts like a month per charge reading like 5-10 hours a week
if you're reading 5 hours a day it'd obviously last less but probably still more than a week
it has a 'backlight' (really it's a built-in screen light ala the GBC but not garbage) too so you can read at night no problem

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>>545206472
I'm not fucking made out of plutoniu-
...Ah, you know, I've just realized I uh
I'm the anon that raided the Sarcophagus and hauled back several actual tons of plutonium slurry back to my base so uh
The allure of (technically free) infinite energy got to me, ok? It's not my fault, ok?
Just for puddle hopping though this thing has a gnarly range, I can run it at about 200km/h for like 7 minutes straight
...I must've missed something, it was running at like, 1.2 drag. All I did recently was add those reactors at the back I think, the ones in the front weren't adding drag. I really don't understand everything about how drag is calculated desu still.

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>DDA
>go through lab full of zap plants
>make it to the main room
>unlock the containment doors and get at the prize
>its a one charge artifact that spawns vortexes that do nothing
>game saves
>power goes out irl in the middle of the save
>reboot pc
>load the save
>stuck in the containment room with the doors locked from the outside
>mfw

>>545233542
Their stance on saves is pretty gay but literally just get yourself out with Teleport in the debug menu if you can't bash the doors or anything
Funny as fuck though, that's pretty cursed. It can't all be laser rifles and probability travel CBMs

i will never win infra arcana no matter how much i try. people say rogue is easy mode but i can barely get this mf past depth level 5. sneaky combat just seems so worthless since half the time you can't get a sneak attack off anyway

>>545173359
IA has an ascii mode, troon

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Hey it's not useless after all!

>>545234949
IA is mainly luck

>>545235286
Skill yourself, nerdlinger
If he was using ASCII he wouldn't be looking for a different game to play just because he couldn't win

Elin is fun goddamit
just wish I didnt have to pay taxes all the fucking time

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>>545240362
>just wish I didnt have to pay taxes all the fucking time
Funny thing about that

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>>545234949
Change your playstyle. IA is so easy once you learn how to play you can do challenge mode runs for it
>>545238821
you are mainly a shitter

>>545246072
No it ain't, you literally have to stealth and dive constantly

>>545246314
really? I have to play IA again